Malkin’s Wingnuts Seriously Cheesed Off

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To Michelle Malkin, if President Obama shows any sign of being even slightly happy about the success of his health care reform bill, it’s “gloating.”

And in the comments for her thread (among dozens of comments talking about buying food, guns, and ammunition, joining militias, and going on “a war footing”), “Snowfire” tries to raise the plummeting morale by posting the poem “Invictus” by William Ernest Henley — which also happens to be the final statement of Timothy McVeigh.

Here’s McVeigh’s handwritten copy of the same poem:

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1056 comments
1 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 12:59:07pm

I always had the impression that most of the wingnuts favorite poems begin "There once was a girl from Nantucket".

2 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 12:59:27pm

Has Rush left the country yet?

3 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 12:59:34pm

I can see the Fox News crawl now: "Is the President Gloating?"
"President Obama gloating too much?"
"Democrat [sic] Congressmen Gloat Over Victory?"
(question mark makes it not a statement of fact--even though most Fox viewers probably don't recognize punctuation)

4 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:00:04pm

re: #2 Conservative Moonbat

Has Rush left the country yet?

If Rush leaves the country, then the President has earned the right to gloat.

5 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:00:43pm

And on that point ...

David Frum - Waterloo

I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

6 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:00:58pm

Wow. Spooky stuff.

7 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:01:04pm

re: #2 Conservative Moonbat

Has Rush left the country yet?

He's commissioning an old bomber to be converted to nuclear power and will being flying cross country for the next 20 years spreading the word.

/obscure

8 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:01:10pm

I thought it was a Nelson Mandela piece.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:03:16pm

thetoysurgeon writes:
You ask what’s next. The first thing is to make illegals, American citizens. The socialists will stay in power forever. Next will be the 2nd amendment, if it’s not already in the healthcare bill. After that it won’t matter anymore.

He thinks the healthcare bill takes away the Second Amendment?

10 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:03:35pm

Speaking of Malkin type responses, John McCain said, "There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year"

Harry Reid's response to Senator McCain is golden:

"For someone who campaigned on 'Country First' and claims to take great pride in bipartisanship, it's absolutely bizarre for Senator McCain to tell the American people he is going to take his ball and go home until the next election."

11 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:04:50pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

thetoysurgeon writes:
You ask what’s next. The first thing is to make illegals, American citizens. The socialists will stay in power forever. Next will be the 2nd amendment, if it’s not already in the healthcare bill. After that it won’t matter anymore.

He thinks the healthcare bill takes away the Second Amendment?

Now I know where the "no one read the health care bill" meme came from...
:P

12 Petero1818  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:05:15pm

My spirits were lifted too by that poem, knowing that that moron was within minutes of death. His last words, and he couldn't even find his own. How pathetic is that. There is something ironic about a person quoting another person saying "I am the master of my own fate, the captain of my own soul.". I am reminded of Life of Brian - repeat after me: "We are all different".

13 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:05:53pm

re: #12 Petero1818

"We are all different".

I'm not!

14 Petero1818  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:08:07pm

re: #13 negativ

shhhh

15 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:08:10pm

The poem is a bit over-the-top for the circumstances.

That McVeigh used it is an interesting bit of historical trivia; I'd draw no conclusions from its use by him to the use in this context, though.

16 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:08:20pm

What about the post Malkin pulled?

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Hat tip: beekiller.

17 Jaerik  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:10:24pm

re: #12 Petero1818

My spirits were lifted too by that poem, knowing that that moron was within minutes of death. His last words, and he couldn't even find his own. How pathetic is that. There is something ironic about a person quoting another person saying "I am the master of my own fate, the captain of my own soul.". I am reminded of Life of Brian - repeat after me: "We are all different".

Back in high school, when everyone was going around on the last day signing one another's yearbooks, we had a little section where we could personalize a one or two-line message next to our pictures. I think I was the only one who noticed that a good 80%+ of them just used some pithy quote from someone long-dead about the importance of creativity, or individuality, etc.

18 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:10:52pm

I'd suggest:

Here I sit
All down-hearted
wanted to S*t
but only farted.

19 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:11:31pm

re: #15 Guanxi88

Yeah. Just trivia. That's the ticket.
/

20 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:12:06pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

What about the post Malkin pulled?

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Hat tip: beekiller.

Is there a cached version of it anywhere?

21 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:12:17pm

re: #19 Obdicut

Yeah. Just trivia. That's the ticket.
/

You think it was a conscious invocation of the spirit of McVeigh?

Paranoia strikes deep.....

22 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:12:21pm

re: #18 Guanxi88

I'd suggest:

Here I sit
All down-hearted
wanted to S*t
but only farted.

I'd suggest asking for a government poetry grant!
/

23 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:12:39pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

What about the post Malkin pulled?

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Hat tip: beekiller.



Hmmm...
Google picked it up but there's no cache available.

I don’t know about you, but I’m getting sick of the mooooderate carping and moaning from Beltway Republicans who jump at every opportunity to make conservative talk radio their political scapegoat.

It was conservative talk radio’s fault when their shamnesty plan failed. It was conservative talk radio’s fault when John McCain failed.

And now, it’s conser.....

That's as much text as I can get.

24 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:12:57pm

re: #13 negativ

How shall we fuck off, Lord?

25 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:12:58pm

Taking off home. BBL, play nice in my absence.

26 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:13:41pm

re: #20 RogueOne

Quick search reveals...nada..
:/

27 Petero1818  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:14:11pm

re: #17 Jaerik

Back in high school, when everyone was going around on the last day signing one another's yearbooks, we had a little section where we could personalize a one or two-line message next to our pictures. I think I was the only one who noticed that a good 80%+ of them just used some pithy quote from someone long-dead about the importance of creativity, or individuality, etc.

Indeed. But then we don't expect high school students to think for themselves. For some reason I expect more of mass murderers.

28 unsavoryagent  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:14:16pm

I know that poem, and McVeigh didn't write it, an English poet did.

29 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:14:37pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

That's as much text as I can get.

Looks like the title was sarcasm.

30 Paxamericana  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:14:47pm

This is a bit of a stretch. I don't see Invictus being a dog whistle for bomb throwing anti-government types. Otherwise, I'm returning my Invictus DVD.

31 Virginia Plain  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:16:06pm

Invictus has been inspiring for many other people besides mass murderers.

32 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:16:48pm

re: #31 Virginia Plain

Invictus has been inspiring for many other people besides mass murderers.

Don't tell some folk here that, ya bomb-tossing radical.

33 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:17:04pm

re: #24 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was hopping along, minding my own business, all of a sudden, up he comes, cures me! One minute I'm a leper with a trade, next minute my livelihood's gone.


(healthcare-related, see!)

34 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:17:23pm

Well that's strange. I don't see LGF's trackback link on Malkin's page.

/

35 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:17:57pm

re: #31 Virginia Plain

Invictus has been inspiring for many other people besides mass murderers.

Son of Sam was a mass murderer.
Jeffrey Dahmer was a mass murder.
Timothy McVeigh was a domestic terrorist...

36 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:18:11pm

re: #31 Virginia Plain

Invictus has been inspiring for many other people besides mass murderers.

AND

I'd be willing to bet that 99.9999% of people didn';t even
A) know Mcveigh "wrote" it as his last words
B) IF they did know, didn't look at it as anything but ,, welll,, last words
and
C) IF they did know AND thought there was any significance to it never gave it anither thought!

((I fall into category "A")

37 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:19:32pm

re: #33 negativ

No LGF day is complete without Python and/or Mel Brooks quotes.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:19:42pm

I don't have much use for these "I'll leave the country if....." clowns, left or right. Friggin' deserters.

39 Bulldoglover100  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:19:44pm

re: #36 sattv4u2

or they were uneducated and could not read it if they wanted to.......

40 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:19:50pm

re: #10 darthstar

Speaking of Malkin type responses, John McCain said, "There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year"

Harry Reid's response to Senator McCain is golden:

John McCain had little choice but to say that. He's facing a wingnut in the Arizona primary in August and he has to keep the wingnuts from hating him till then. They aren't willing to compromise, and if expresses a willingness to do so they'll vote him out. His base has tied his hands.

41 Petero1818  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:19:55pm

re: #24 Mad Al-Jaffee

How shall we fuck off, Lord?

So what you are saying is that your father isnt really Mr. Cohen....

42 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:20:01pm

re: #21 Guanxi88

Yes, I'm paranoid. It doesn't show an absolutely eye-rollingingly ridiculous sense of persecution on the part of the wingnut posting it. There's nothing about it to indicate a perception of reality wildly out of balance with what's actually occurred. Just like you so wisely saw that the proper approach to the Tea Party types is simply not giving them leadership positions, and just like CPAC is no big deal either, there is nothing in people fooling themselves into believing they're massively persecuted to worry about.

It's just trivia that this person sees the passage of a health care bill as something that requires this dramatic a response.

/

43 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:20:11pm

re: #36 sattv4u2

AND

I'd be willing to bet that 99.9999% of people didn';t even
A) know Mcveigh "wrote" it as his last words
B) IF they did know, didn't look at it as anything but ,, welll,, last words
and
C) IF they did know AND thought there was any significance to it never gave it anither thought!

((I fall into category "A")

Don't let facts get in the way of good old-fashioned paranoid fear-fest. Someone quoted invictus in this setting; McVeigh also used it in his last words; ergo, the connection between opposition to the health care plan and domestic terrorism is clearly established; they're threatening terror, the poem proves it.

44 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:20:49pm

re: #35 darthstar

Son of Sam was a mass murderer.
Jeffrey Dahmer was a mass murder.
Timothy McVeigh was a domestic terrorist...

re: #35 darthstar

Son of Sam was a mass murderer.
Jeffrey Dahmer was a mass murder.
Timothy McVeigh was a domestic terrorist MAN CAUSED DISASTER...

Hat Tip to Napolitano, Janet!
/

45 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:21:00pm

re: #36 sattv4u2

I had no idea McVeigh wrote it out either.

I have a couple right-wing friends on FB who I know are going to flip out over this. Should be interesting.

47 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:21:13pm

re: #42 Obdicut

Yes, I'm paranoid. It doesn't show an absolutely eye-rollingingly ridiculous sense of persecution on the part of the wingnut posting it. There's nothing about it to indicate a perception of reality wildly out of balance with what's actually occurred. Just like you so wisely saw that the proper approach to the Tea Party types is simply not giving them leadership positions, and just like CPAC is no big deal either, there is nothing in people fooling themselves into believing they're massively persecuted to worry about.

It's just trivia that this person sees the passage of a health care bill as something that requires this dramatic a response.

/

Oh that; I said it was over-the-top; you'd have to be high to see it otherwise. The trivia thing was in reference to its mcveigh associations.

48 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:21:48pm

Mitt Romney finds it "unconscionable" that congress just passed a national version of Romneycare.

[Link: www.freestrongamerica.com...]

49 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:21:49pm

Speaking of cheesy wingnuts, look what is going to cause the needless slaughter of trees come July.

50 Petero1818  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:22:15pm

re: #10 darthstar

Speaking of Malkin type responses, John McCain said, "There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year"

Harry Reid's response to Senator McCain is golden:

Its a trap

51 Virginia Plain  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:22:20pm

I wish I was in Austin over the weekend. Here's another band that played SXSW:

52 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:22:43pm

re: #41 Petero1818

So what you are saying is that your father isnt really Mr. Cohen...

Promised me the known world 'e did.. all the gold I could eat...

53 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:22:48pm

re: #50 Petero1818

Its a trap

Thanks Admiral Akbar.

54 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:24:07pm

Ah well,,,, gotta go
Feed the dogs
Feed the turtle
Lug a 50 lb bag of deer corn to the far end of the property
Put the second coat of stain on the front door
Start dinner
Start drinking

Life ,,, Live It !!

55 garhighway  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:24:55pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

John McCain had little choice but to say that. He's facing a wingnut in the Arizona primary in August and he has to keep the wingnuts from hating him till then. They aren't willing to compromise, and if expresses a willingness to do so they'll vote him out. His base has tied his hands.

Good point. He had to surrender his judgment and common sense because he is in an election. Country First.

56 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:25:11pm

re: #31 Virginia Plain

Invictus has been inspiring for many other people besides mass murderers.

It's an okay poem, but I always preferred the Desiderata myself. I've had a copy of it in some form or fashion since I was 16. It just fits. :)

57 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:26:09pm

re: #55 garhighway

Good point. He had to surrender his judgment and common sense because he is in an election. Country First.

"Personal Integrity Last" should be McCain's new campaign slogan.

58 jvic  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:26:10pm

My entire soul was set ablaze by Invictus' unyielding cry of defiance against a malign destiny and indifferent universe.

Then I turned maybe seventeen.

I matured and left Invictus behind, moving on to have my life transformed by Nietzsche's 'Also Sprach Zarathustra'. ;-)
*** *** *** ***
It's considered the most famous bad poem in the English language.

Maybe the Malkinoids will take it as their anthem.
*** *** *** ***
I regret that Obamacare passed, but the pain is lessened by watching how the usual suspects are capering.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:26:30pm

I've read many times that the prevalence of conspiracy theories in the Middle East comes from government repression--people are largely ignorant, good media coverage is thin on the ground, and rumors fly on the wind.

That is why I don't get Malkin's people. They're fairly well educated--OK, they're idiots, but clearly literate idiots. They have internet access. They live in a free society. And they appear willing to accept any goddamn thing they hear, without ever checking it, and are content to live in a state of simmering paranoia (the healthcare bill might dismantle the Bill of Rights! It's a SECRET what's in it! Even though the damn thing has been on the Internet for month after month.)

What's going on here?

60 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:27:06pm

re: #45 eclectic infidel

I had no idea McVeigh wrote it out either.

I have a couple right-wing friends on FB who I know are going to flip out over this. Should be interesting.

So do you think..That if McVeigh wrote as his final words
The words to Flanders Fields That Anybody would give a shit?
I don't..
In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

Anybody can copy a poem my friend

61 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:27:26pm

"Costly health problems that originate with obesity, smoking, alcoholism, unsafe sex, violence, law-breaking, etc. are really due to lack of scheduled office visits. "

— Victor Hanson.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:27:42pm

One of my coworkers believes that Emerson's "The Rhodora" is the worst poem ever written in English.

63 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:27:52pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

John McCain had little choice but to say that. He's facing a wingnut in the Arizona primary in August and he has to keep the wingnuts from hating him till then. They aren't willing to compromise, and if expresses a willingness to do so they'll vote him out. His base has tied his hands.

Yep. Just like the GOP base tied his hands and forced him into inflicting Caribou Barbie on the rest of us. *sigh*

64 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:27:56pm

re: #37 Mad Al-Jaffee

Blücher!

65 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:28:08pm

I fear that the base level of discourse we have been experiencing is about to drop to new levels: this is the complete confirmation for every wingnut out there that the Communazis have taken over our country by coup de etat (to be spelled cootie-tat) and that desperate times call for desperate measures.

66 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:28:40pm

Gloating? I heard Obama speak last night. Yeah he was pleased the bill was passed but he wasn't like hahahaha you Republicans lost.

67 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:28:56pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

There was a Simpsons episode called "When Flanders Failed."

68 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:28:57pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Speaking of cheesy wingnuts, look what is going to cause the needless slaughter of trees come July.

What a society we live in where illiterates write books.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:29:22pm

re: #56 Lidane

It's an okay poem, but I always preferred the Desiderata myself. I've had a copy of it in some form or fashion since I was 16. It just fits. :)

I think National Lampoon's Deteriorata is a more reliable guide to life in the modern world, such as it is.

Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself
and heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss... and when.
Consider that two wrongs never make a right... but that three do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
there is always a big future in computer maintainance.

Remember the Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
especially with those persons closest to you...
that lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love, therefore; it will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth,
birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan,
and let not the sands of time get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time call 606-4311. Ask for Ken.
Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese,
and reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot,
it could only be worse in Milwaukee.

You are a fluke of the Universe.
You have no right to be here,
and weather you can hear it or not,
the Universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god,
whatever you conceive him to be:
hairy thunderer or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
the world continues to deteriorate.

Give up

70 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:29:29pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my coworkers believes that Emerson's "The Rhodora" is the worst poem ever written in English.

What about Lillison's "Pointy Birds"?

71 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:30:02pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Ha! That's a good one too. I'll have to remember that for my more cynical days. ;)

72 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:30:19pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Gloating? I heard Obama speak last night. Yeah he was pleased the bill was passed but he wasn't like hahahaha you Republicans lost.

Pelosi might have giggled a little bit before her speech though. She was pretty giddy.

73 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:30:32pm

Dark hills at evening in the west,
Where sunset hovers like a sound
Of golden horns that sang to rest
Old bones of warriors under ground,
Far now from all the bannered ways
Where flash the legions of the sun,
You fade—as if the last of days
Were fading, and all wars were done.

Edwin Arlington Robinson (1869–1935)

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:30:50pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Speaking of cheesy wingnuts, look what is going to cause the needless slaughter of trees come July.

It's a coloring book, right? Has to be.

75 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:31:10pm

re: #72 Conservative Moonbat

Pelosi might have giggled a little bit before her speech though. She was pretty giddy.

She's worked her ass off for a year to get this through...I saw her as happy, but exhausted.

76 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:31:26pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a coloring book, right? Has to be.

Connect the dots. Or Wingnut Mad Libs. Take your pick.

77 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:31:41pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a coloring book, right? Has to be.

400 pages

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:31:52pm

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about Lillison's "Pointy Birds"?

I had to Google that.

However, it makes me smile, so I say it's still better than "Rhodora".

79 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:31:57pm

re: #63 Lidane

Yep. Just like the GOP base tied his hands and forced him into inflicting Caribou Barbie on the rest of us. *sigh*

No, that was his mistake. But having unleashed Sarah Palin, he now finds himself the prisoner of the forces she embodies. A nice illustration of the Law of Unintended Consequences in action.

80 Petero1818  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:33:05pm

re: #75 darthstar

She's worked her ass off for a year to get this through...I saw her as happy, but exhausted.

I am no huge fan of hers, but I agree completely. The amount of stress she would have carried for the last 3 months on this issue alone, she could have danced a jig and justified it.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:33:14pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a coloring book, right? Has to be.

Does it make anyone else giggle a bit that Pam and Robert's book's cover is 'to be unveiled'? I mean, clearly, their book would not be VEILED.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:34:07pm

re: #77 Conservative Moonbat

400 pages

I see it's co-authored by Spencer. Good thing too, or the proof readers would die from exhaustion.

83 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:34:08pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

What a society we live in where illiterates write books.

Here's a bit about the publisher.

84 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:34:37pm

re: #46 Rightwingconspirator

James Nachtwey is another one (still photog, not video) who somehow manages to cheat death over and over.

85 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:34:45pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

They like to live in a state of simmering paranoia, it gets them high.

IMHO

86 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:34:53pm

Threshold Editions is Mary Matilin's publishing outfit.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I was hoping it would be print on demand.

87 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:35:06pm

re: #5 negativ

And on that point ...

David Frum - Waterloo

88 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:35:25pm

re: #76 Lidane

Connect the dots. Or Wingnut Mad Libs. Take your pick.

Or maybe it's "Where's Owaldo?"

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:35:39pm

re: #83 wrenchwench

Here's a bit about the publisher.

Well, if they're an imprint of Simon and Schuster, at least someone will proofread it.

90 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:36:07pm

re: #15 Guanxi88

The poem is a bit over-the-top for the circumstances.

That McVeigh used it is an interesting bit of historical trivia; I'd draw no conclusions from its use by him to the use in this context, though.

I'd no more tie "Invictus" to McVeigh than I'd cede Wagner to Hitler.

91 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:37:45pm

re: #83 wrenchwench

Here's a bit about the publisher.

Threshold Editions is an imprint of Simon & Schuster that specializes in conservative non-fiction. Recent successes include #1 New York Times bestsellers Liberty and Tyranny by Mark Levin, An Inconvenient Book by Glenn Beck, and The Obama Nation by Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D.

I tried to think of something funny to add here, but all I can do is shake my head.

92 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:38:34pm

re: #87 Lidane

[Video]


My lord! That's footage directly from the inner circle of the Star Chamber of the Trilateral Commission of Cheese!

93 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:38:53pm

re: #90 The Sanity Inspector

I'd no more tie "Invictus" to McVeigh than I'd cede Wagner to Hitler.

Quite Concur.

94 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:39:56pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

No, that was his mistake. But having unleashed Sarah Palin, he now finds himself the prisoner of the forces she embodies. A nice illustration of the Law of Unintended Consequences in action.

It's hard to shove the genie back into the bottle. So re: #87 Lidane

[Video]

I want that guitar.

95 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:41:32pm

I wish that Cheesy Wingnuts was a snack. I'm hungry.

96 Petero1818  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:41:47pm

re: #90 The Sanity Inspector

I'd no more tie "Invictus" to McVeigh than I'd cede Wagner to Hitler.

I think even that is too much. Hitler acknowledged Wagner's profound impact upon him even early in his life. My guess is Mcveigh discovered Invictus in the prison library.

97 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:42:41pm

Good afternoon.

Having ignored most of today in favor of listening to last nights barn recordings and mixing some drums, I see although HCR passed, my portfolio is still up 2%. Hmm, I could have sworn there was a lot of hand wringing very early this morning about the market taking a dip being the only rational response to the situation.

What say you freemarketeers? Has the market:
a. given it's blessing to HCR
b. experiencing temporary insanity
c. only a barometer when it fits your world view
d. totally unpredictable

98 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:44:01pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

thetoysurgeon writes:
You ask what’s next. The first thing is to make illegals, American citizens. The socialists will stay in power forever. Next will be the 2nd amendment, if it’s not already in the healthcare bill. After that it won’t matter anymore.

He thinks the healthcare bill takes away the Second Amendment?

He may be free-associating with the medical questionnaire that some doctors use for patients. Among the questions inquiring about your health and prior ailments is one asking if there are any firearms in your home. I always scribble in "This is not a medical question" for that one.

Maybe this fellow is imagining that it's the wedge of a government gun grab, under the new law.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:44:17pm

And for all the Wagner fans out there--NO clue who wrote this:

THE VALKYRIE SONG
(Tune: Wagner's "Flight of the Valkyries")

We fly through the night skies
Flashing our white thighs,
Picking up dead guys;
You call this a job?

You take the blond guy,
I'll take the redhead!
Wait, he's not dead yet;
Let him go . . . splat!

Chorus: Woo-oop! Woo-oop!
Woo-oop! Woo-oop!
Woo-oop! Woo-oop!
Woo-oop! Woo-oop!
Oh-h-h-h-h-h!

We're hunting the Wabbit!
We're hunting the Wabbit!
We're hunting the Wabbit!
We're hunting the Wabbit!

100 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:44:18pm

re: #87 Lidane

Frum does identify part of the Republicans' problem...their platform sucks:

No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?
101 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:44:57pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Charlie don't surf.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:45:22pm

re: #98 The Sanity Inspector

He may be free-associating with the medical questionnaire that some doctors use for patients. Among the questions inquiring about your health and prior ailments is one asking if there are any firearms in your home. I always scribble in "This is not a medical question" for that one.

Maybe this fellow is imagining that it's the wedge of a government gun grab, under the new law.

My mother, asked that recently before a nurse home visit said "Oh, no." I have no idea why. There are approximately a bazillion guns in the house.

She said she thought it was the correct answer.

103 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:45:59pm

re: #90 The Sanity Inspector

I'd no more tie "Invictus" to McVeigh than I'd cede Wagner to Hitler.

I would suggest that all of us stop watching any movies, any DVD's, any older video tapes, VHS, Beta no movie based media what so ever. One of the largest collectors of movies this sort of material is North Korea's Kim Jong-il.

This equivalency stuff is getting ridiculous.

104 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:46:31pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother, asked that recently before a nurse home visit said "Oh, no." I have no idea why. There are approximately a bazillion guns in the house.

She said she thought it was the correct answer.

That's always the correct answer, no matter who's asking.

105 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:47:29pm

re: #84 negativ

I'm awed by these people. They pay the same price as a soldier to bring us the real news.

106 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:47:48pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

I would suggest that all of us stop watching any movies, any DVD's, any older video tapes, VHS, Beta no movie based media what so ever. One of the largest collectors of movies this sort of material is North Korea's Kim Jong-il.

This equivalency stuff is getting ridiculous.

Well, that's just what I'd expect a Lindbergh-admirer to say, now isn't it?
And we all know what he did in WWII, don't we? That's right, helped our pilots squeeze more miles outta their fuel, making it easier to kill the Japanese.

You ought to be ashamed!

107 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:48:05pm

re: #100 darthstar

Frum does identify part of the Republicans' problem...their platform sucks:

What they need badly is some Newt. He's a serious thinker:

This will not stand.

No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday's vote. This is not the end of the fight it is the beginning of the fight.

The American people spoke decisively against a big government, high tax, Washington knows best, pro trial lawyer centralized bureaucratic health system.

Was Newt out of the country in 2008?

108 Petero1818  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:48:09pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

I would suggest that all of us stop watching any movies, any DVD's, any older video tapes, VHS, Beta no movie based media what so ever. One of the largest collectors of movies this sort of material is North Korea's Kim Jong-il.

This equivalency stuff is getting ridiculous.

And watching all those movies made him really short, and deathly ill. So we should stop.//

109 dr. luba  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:48:22pm

re: #98 The Sanity Inspector

He may be free-associating with the medical questionnaire that some doctors use for patients. Among the questions inquiring about your health and prior ailments is one asking if there are any firearms in your home. I always scribble in "This is not a medical question" for that one.

[Link: content.nejm.org...]

"Conclusions: The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."

110 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:49:25pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

I would suggest that all of us stop watching any movies, any DVD's, any older video tapes, VHS, Beta no movie based media what so ever. One of the largest collectors of movies this sort of material is North Korea's Kim Jong-il.

This equivalency stuff is getting ridiculous.

Also, drinking Hennessey Black Label cognac is right out, for the same reason.

111 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:50:02pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

re: #106 Guanxi88


Walter once was in building NEXT to a Chinese Restaurant
North Korea is next door to China

Need I say more !?!?!

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:50:23pm

re: #110 The Sanity Inspector

Also, drinking Hennessey Black Label cognac is right out, for the same reason.

Well, by that logic, so is sex with leggy, beautiful Russian models. Are we really sure we want to go down this road, guys?

113 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:50:52pm

re: #109 dr. luba

[Link: content.nejm.org...]

"Conclusions: The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."

Might as well also ask if they have any power tools, baseball bats, lengths of pipe, carving knives, etc etc.

114 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:51:22pm

re: #106 Guanxi88

Well, that's just what I'd expect a Lindbergh-admirer to say, now isn't it?
And we all know what he did in WWII, don't we? That's right, helped our pilots squeeze more miles outta their fuel, making it easier to kill the Japanese.

You ought to be ashamed!

No kidding. I'm starting to become afraid to quote any classical literature, contemporary literature, historical figures, contemporary figures... anything, anyone, just in case we anyone finds some connection between the work, or the author or the person or the era or the decade or the century, some connection to something that is beyond the pale. Hell, be careful of the one hundred million degrees of separation...

115 jvic  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:51:55pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my coworkers believes that Emerson's "The Rhodora" is the worst poem ever written in English.

As a public service, here it is:

The Rhodora
On being asked, whence is the flower.

In May, when sea-winds pierced our solitudes,
I found the fresh Rhodora in the woods,
Spreading its leafless blooms in a damp nook,
To please the desert and the sluggish brook.
The purple petals fallen in the pool
Made the black water with their beauty gay;
Here might the red-bird come his plumes to cool,
And court the flower that cheapens his array.
Rhodora! if the sages ask thee why
This charm is wasted on the earth and sky,
Tell them, dear, that, if eyes were made for seeing,
Then beauty is its own excuse for Being;
Why thou wert there, O rival of the rose!
I never thought to ask; I never knew;
But in my simple ignorance suppose
The self-same power that brought me there, brought you.

I grant that's terrible, but my vote stays with Invictus.

SFZ, I hadn't realized that Frost's Design is (or so it seems to me) influenced by/a response to Rhodora. No contest. Rhodora is trite; Design is scary.

116 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:52:00pm

re: #111 sattv4u2

re: #106 Guanxi88

Walter once was in building NEXT to a Chinese Restaurant
North Korea is next door to China

Need I say more !?!?!

Fuck... you outed me. Damn.

117 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:52:07pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Might as well also ask if they have any power tools, baseball bats, lengths of pipe, carving knives, etc etc.

Or cut right to the chase: Any family members or intimate acquaintances?

118 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:52:30pm

Hitler breathed oxygen. That means anyone who enjoys breathing oxygen is a nazi!

119 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:53:20pm

re: #118 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hitler breathed oxygen. That means anyone who enjoys breathing oxygen is a nazi!

Nazi, Nazi, Nazi... quick... hold your breath.

120 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:53:31pm

re: #118 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hitler breathed oxygen. That means anyone who enjoys breathing oxygen is a nazi!

Now thats going a tad too far


((BUT ,,,, Hitler DID hiccup occasionally,, so,,,,, !!)

121 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:53:40pm

BBL

122 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:53:49pm

re: #109 dr. luba

Previous violence in the home was the real indicator as I just read in the link. And drinking. But guns are the problem.
Geez, here we go again.

123 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:54:21pm

re: #118 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hitler breathed oxygen. That means anyone who enjoys breathing oxygen is a nazi!

Inhale Einstein, exhale Hitler.

Damn, I've been carrying that Acoustinaut's song around in my head for 20 years waiting to use that lyric.

124 freetoken  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:54:48pm

Well, I never know what to make of what people write, especially online.

However, I wonder about the MM commenter "snowfire". His other comments there show him to be a fairly standard wingnut MM fan.

There is another site called "GroupHug Live" which is, I gather, a sort of online therapy where people can post thoughts/confessions.

At that site, a user named "snowfire" posted the Invictus poem in reply to another user's lament. Cached link: [Link: 74.125.155.132...]
Be sure to open up the comments to the third entry by "Shannon".

That same "snowfire" has his own page there - cached link: [Link: 74.125.155.132...]
in which is last entry, from Jan is:

Again it happens. i get my hopes up to be alone with her and again its all a let down. The weeks have dragged on and the torment is only getting worse. I think today i will go from 1 in 6 to 2 in 6. Again the gamblers way out is the life for me. I figure at this rate ill be but a memory long forgotten soon enough. Click click peaceful eternal slumber

Suicidal ideation is not a good thing. In the context it sounds as if such ideation results from a failed love - certainly not uncommon, but still not good.

This does not mean, of course, that "snowfire" will act out like McVeigh. However, "snowfire" has other gun comments, such as this one at MM site:
[Link: 74.125.155.132...]
Personally, I wouldn't want to be around someone like this.

Again, I never know what to make of what people write on the internet... most of it is one big fantasy game, I've concluded.

125 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:54:55pm

re: #92 Guanxi88

My lord! That's footage directly from the inner circle of the Star Chamber of the Trilateral Commission of Cheese!

I stole it when they weren't looking. I'm sneaky like that. ;)

re: #94 darthstar

I want that guitar.

I want the blonde's costume. That would be great for Halloween. Or Comic-Con. Hehe.

126 webevintage  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:55:02pm

Gloating my ass.
Gloating would be asking if Boehner's tears taste like Orange Crush.
Gloating would be playing this:


when he came out to speak last night.

Gloating would be if Nancy had held up her big hammer and proclaimed "I FEED OFF YOUR WEAKNESS"!!!!

That would be gloating.

127 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:55:03pm

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

Guns are dangerous! They can unlock themselves when nobody is looking, load themselves, turn off their safeties and shoot people all by themselves!

128 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:55:07pm

re: #106 Guanxi88

Make sure you miss the point. Oh good, you already did.

I think the rather obvious association is this:

McVeigh wrote this poem because he felt unjustly persecuted by our society and government. He felt very strongly that some government actions had gone so far as to be tyranny.

The Malkinte who posted this also feels that the passage of the health care bill is worthy of posting this poem, with all its hyperbolic imagery.

There is a danger in people who see themselves as victims. More and more often, we're seeing this spring forth from the wingnuts, a sense that the government is the enemy, that they're actually being hurt by the government on a daily basis, and that the situation necessitates imagery like this.

It's not about the poem itself, but the moment that the person used the poem in.

I don't think it's fair to Charles to act like he was making an equivalence between the person posting it on Malkin's website and McVeigh. I think it misses the point by a Danish mile.

129 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:55:31pm

Holy free verse folks... I just searched "Invictus poem 9/11" and do you know how many websites dedicated to the memory of 9/11 was there and had that HORRIBLE POEM DISPLAY RIGHT THERE ON THE SITE.

Horrors...

130 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:55:36pm
131 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:55:43pm

re: #118 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hitler breathed oxygen. That means anyone who enjoys breathing oxygen is a nazi!

He was also a vegetarian and I just had tofu for lunch. Oh dear.

132 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:55:47pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

No kidding. I'm starting to become afraid to quote any classical literature, contemporary literature, historical figures, contemporary figures... anything, anyone, just in case we anyone finds some connection between the work, or the author or the person or the era or the decade or the century, some connection to something that is beyond the pale. Hell, be careful of the one hundred million degrees of separation...

Yep, 'tis the new sensitivity. Express not any admiration for any person, be he flawed or found wanting by any contemporary standards or fashion; unless, of course, Lee Atwater's being quoted.

133 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:56:24pm

re: #124 freetoken

Well, I never know what to make of what people write, especially online.

However, I wonder about the MM commenter "snowfire". His other comments there show him to be a fairly standard wingnut MM fan.

There is another site called "GroupHug Live" which is, I gather, a sort of online therapy where people can post thoughts/confessions.

At that site, a user named "snowfire" posted the Invictus poem in reply to another user's lament. Cached link: [Link: 74.125.155.132...]
Be sure to open up the comments to the third entry by "Shannon".

That same "snowfire" has his own page there - cached link: [Link: 74.125.155.132...]
in which is last entry, from Jan is:

Suicidal ideation is not a good thing. In the context it sounds as if such ideation results from a failed love - certainly not uncommon, but still not good.

This does not mean, of course, that "snowfire" will act out like McVeigh. However, "snowfire" has other gun comments, such as this one at MM site:
[Link: 74.125.155.132...]
Personally, I wouldn't want to be around someone like this.

Again, I never know what to make of what people write on the internet... most of it is one big fantasy game, I've concluded.

Or one big OUTRAGE if you want to make it that.

134 drcordell  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:57:09pm

I'm just glad I live and work in Manhattan, and not anywhere near a Federal Building in the South. Some half-wit Freeper with a fertilizer bomb wouldn't make it within 50 miles of any bridge or tunnel onto the island. But with the rhetoric being dialed up the way it is now, I'm concerned for my countrymen who may not live in such a secure location.

135 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:57:22pm

IN OTHER BREAKING NEWS

The Dutch foundation Pink Army is willing to take retired general Sheehan to court due to the statements he made in a hearing. Pink Army is searching for seven gay soldiers who want to make a case against the general. A search for donors is also started. A warchest of $200.000 is needed. Pink Army is demanding that Sheehan will take back his unfounded remarks.
source; Dutch teletext.

136 drcordell  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:57:40pm

re: #126 webevintage

Gloating my ass.
Gloating would be asking if Boehner's tears taste like Orange Crush.
Gloating would be playing this:

[Video]
when he came out to speak last night.Gloating would be if Nancy had held up her big hammer and proclaimed "I FEED OFF YOUR WEAKNESS"!!!

That would be gloating.

HAhahaha and it was gloating indeed. And I've heard they do actually taste like Orange Crush.

137 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:58:53pm
138 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 1:59:30pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

I've read many times that the prevalence of conspiracy theories in the Middle East comes from government repression--people are largely ignorant, good media coverage is thin on the ground, and rumors fly on the wind.

That is why I don't get Malkin's people. They're fairly well educated--OK, they're idiots, but clearly literate idiots. They have internet access. They live in a free society. And they appear willing to accept any goddamn thing they hear, without ever checking it, and are content to live in a state of simmering paranoia (the healthcare bill might dismantle the Bill of Rights! It's a SECRET what's in it! Even though the damn thing has been on the Internet for month after month.)

What's going on here?

Here's my take, and it's a work in progress. I think that the folk on Malkin's site already harbor an irrational hatred of anything liberal (socialist, in their eyes) and are willing to go through great lengths to ensure that those beliefs and assumptions are not questioned nor challenged. I think it's the blind hatred that prevents them from doing their homework before going all loopy with conspiracy theories, which are (the conspiracies) the end product of their self-imposed ignorance. I'm not trying to be an armchair psychologist either. My .02 yen.

139 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:00:03pm

re: #76 Lidane

Connect the dots. Or Wingnut Mad Libs. Take your pick.

We need an LGF survey to determine how many Lizards draw their fundamental concepts of honesty, decency, fairness and social morality from Mad Magazine. I, for 1.

140 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:00:35pm

re: #128 Obdicut

Make sure you miss the point. Oh good, you already did.

I think the rather obvious association is this:

McVeigh wrote this poem because he felt unjustly persecuted by our society and government. He felt very strongly that some government actions had gone so far as to be tyranny.

The Malkinte who posted this also feels that the passage of the health care bill is worthy of posting this poem, with all its hyperbolic imagery.

There is a danger in people who see themselves as victims. More and more often, we're seeing this spring forth from the wingnuts, a sense that the government is the enemy, that they're actually being hurt by the government on a daily basis, and that the situation necessitates imagery like this.

It's not about the poem itself, but the moment that the person used the poem in.

I don't think it's fair to Charles to act like he was making an equivalence between the person posting it on Malkin's website and McVeigh. I think it misses the point by a Danish mile.

I'm sorry:

I said at the outset it was over the top, and pointed out that associating the poem with mcveigh seems a bit premature; noted the trivial pursuit aspect of the fact that Timmy Boy there chose that as his final statement.

Now, we all know I am somewhat lacking in the finer graces, but in hoonesty, the invocation of mcveigh from the use of the poem is certainly a stretch of greater than a Danish, or, indeed, any known mile.

I had made the mistake of thinking that you thought the association was there; as I can see that you don't think it is, the matter seems closed.

141 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:01:17pm

re: #97 Jeff In Ohio

Good afternoon.

Having ignored most of today in favor of listening to last nights barn recordings and mixing some drums, I see although HCR passed, my portfolio is still up 2%. Hmm, I could have sworn there was a lot of hand wringing very early this morning about the market taking a dip being the only rational response to the situation.

What say you freemarketeers? Has the market:
a. given it's blessing to HCR
b. experiencing temporary insanity
c. only a barometer when it fits your world view
d. totally unpredictable

The market enjoys certainty over uncertainty, which passage brought. Most of today's upward motion, at least in the morning, was in tech stocks. Futures, just prior to open, were down sharply, as were prices at the open, probably awaiting investor reaction, but an attitude of "Well, at least now we know where we stand" prevailed for the rest of the day.

Markets in Europe, on the other hand, were down on HCR passage. Not sure why, yet; possibly concern over pharmaceutical company losses.

142 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:01:41pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

We need an LGF survey to determine how many Lizards draw their fundamental concepts of honesty, decency, fairness and social morality from Mad Magazine. I, for 1.

If you know where my username comes from, you know where I stand.

143 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:01:54pm

re: #126 webevintage

Gloating would be asking if Boehner's tears taste like Orange Crush.

That should be a mandatory question for Boehner at every press conference he does.

Gloating would be playing this when he came out to speak last night.

No, that would have been hilarious, especially if it had been dedicated to Jim DeMint.

Gloating would be if Nancy had held up her big hammer and proclaimed "I FEED OFF YOUR WEAKNESS"!!!

I'd pay an obscene amount of money to see her do that. I'd also videotape it and upload it to YouTube. Hah.

144 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:02:07pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

We need an LGF survey to determine how many Lizards draw their fundamental concepts of honesty, decency, fairness and social morality from Mad Magazine. I, for 1.

and Bugs Bunny.

145 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:02:49pm

re: #142 Mad Al-Jaffee

If you know where my username comes from, you know where I stand.

I even remember owning a book as a teenager "A Mad Look at the Ten Commandments" in which a preacher uses examples from Mad to illustrate the basic precepts of Chriastianity.

146 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:02:57pm

re: #101 Mad Al-Jaffee

Charlie don't surf.

Does now.

[Link: www.tamspub.com...]

147 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:03:22pm

re: #141 SixDegrees

So your going with C.

148 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:03:30pm

re: #135 William of Orange

IN OTHER BREAKING NEWS

The Dutch foundation Pink Army is willing to take retired general Sheehan to court due to the statements he made in a hearing. Pink Army is searching for seven gay soldiers who want to make a case against the general. A search for donors is also started. A warchest of $200.000 is needed. Pink Army is demanding that Sheehan will take back his unfounded remarks.
source; Dutch teletext.

Bad idea. A foreign lawsuit will just increase is standing among his supporters here. It'll let him scream "Help! I'm Being Repressed!" The answer to his ugly lies is to tell the truth, not file lawsuits.

149 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:05:07pm

OT:
For those who haven't heard, an IDF soldier was killed by "Friendly Fire" when apprehending 3 Gazans who infilitrated into Israel.

For those who are interested, a transcript of Clinton's remarks to AIPAC has been posted.

My personal favorite moments:
- When she said it was HAMAS that named a square after a terrorist (it wasn't -- it was the PA/Fatah).
- When she claimed that "engagement" with Iran had stripped away Iran's excuses, and Russia is "moving towards" supporting sanctions (uhh -- not they aren't)
- When she commended Mahmoud Abbas and Fayad for the reforms and progess they have made (what reform and progress?)

Lots of the speech was harping on the unsustainability of the status quo, and was otherwise full of moral-equivalence and platitudinal statements designed to please the crowd.

150 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:06:20pm

re: #135 William of Orange

IN OTHER BREAKING NEWS

The Dutch foundation Pink Army is willing to take retired general Sheehan to court due to the statements he made in a hearing. Pink Army is searching for seven gay soldiers who want to make a case against the general. A search for donors is also started. A warchest of $200.000 is needed. Pink Army is demanding that Sheehan will take back his unfounded remarks.
source; Dutch teletext.

how exactly does one take back a remark?

151 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:07:06pm

re: #149 Joo-LiZ

Lots of the speech was harping on the unsustainability of the status quo, and was otherwise full of moral-equivalence and platitudinal statements designed to please the crowd.

That's the longest lasting unsustainable status quo I've ever seen.

152 freetoken  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:07:24pm

re: #128 Obdicut


There is a danger in people who see themselves as victims.

Agree. And, if the "snowfire" over on the confession site is indeed the same one that posts at MM (and yes, there could be more than one "snowfire" that goes around posting Invictus on the internet... but please grant me that it would be a remote possibility), "snowfire" clearly, mournfully, seems himself as a victim.

153 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:07:34pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Bad idea. A foreign lawsuit will just increase is standing among his supporters here. It'll let him scream "Help! I'm Being Repressed!" The answer to his ugly lies is to tell the truth, not file lawsuits.

It's an answer to his lies, yes; it's not an answer to the lies spreading. No one in the wingnut biosphere will ever hear of the pushback or, you know, the truth.

Not saying a lawsuit is the answer, but just issuing the truth somewhere isn't enough either.

154 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:07:35pm

re: #145 ralphieboy

I even remember owning a book as a teenager "A Mad Look at the Ten Commandments" in which a preacher uses examples from Mad to illustrate the basic precepts of Chriastianity.

The Mad Morality, it was called.

155 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:08:06pm

re: #150 brookly red

how exactly does one take back a remark?

That would be the customer service desk. You'll need a proof of sale and it will need to be within 30 days of purchase.

156 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:09:12pm

re: #155 Jeff In Ohio

That would be the customer service desk. You'll need a proof of sale and it will need to be within 30 days of purchase.

Eh, the checks your mouth writes are cashier's checks; they're not subject to stop-pay.

157 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:09:24pm

re: #155 Jeff In Ohio

That would be the customer service desk. You'll need a proof of sale and it will need to be within 30 days of purchase.

30 days of purchase? well what if no one buys it???

158 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:09:42pm

re: #155 Jeff In Ohio

That would be the customer service desk. You'll need a proof of sale and it will need to be within 30 days of purchase.

Flights of fancy, impossible dreams, and improper thoughts are considered discount items, and are not returnable.

159 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:10:04pm

re: #156 Guanxi88

Eh, the checks your mouth writes are cashier's checks; they're not subject to stop-pay.

now can the bank of you body cash it?

160 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:10:34pm

re: #140 Guanxi88

It's not trivial that McVeigh chose it as his final statement, though. Not if what you're attempting to discuss is the weird-ass feelings of persecution, displayed by the choice of poem, that are completely nutty. McVeigh, having been given due process, a trial, and being guilty of his crimes, chose this poem to declare himself unjustly persecuted even though, obviously, he was quite justly prosecuted.

Likewise, this poster feels that the passage of the health care bill is reason to post this poem. Both McVeigh and this poster held the same enemy in common: the government, specifically the more 'liberal' incarnation of it. Both of them felt unjustly persecuted by the government.

The association isn't "OMG this person is going to go blow up a federal building", but rather, "Wow, this person appears to see the government as a tyrannical, oppressive force that they're locked in direct combat with-- just like McVeigh. And interestingly, they used the same poem to express that feeling." Again, it's not about the poem, it's about the use of the poem: It's in response to a bill about health care and education being passed.

Context is kind of important.

161 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:10:47pm

re: #159 brookly red

now can the bank of you body cash it?

There's always the overdraft thing, but the cost can be rather high.

162 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:12:06pm

re: #160 Obdicut

It's not trivial that McVeigh chose it as his final statement, though. Not if what you're attempting to discuss is the weird-ass feelings of persecution, displayed by the choice of poem, that are completely nutty. McVeigh, having been given due process, a trial, and being guilty of his crimes, chose this poem to declare himself unjustly persecuted even though, obviously, he was quite justly prosecuted.

Likewise, this poster feels that the passage of the health care bill is reason to post this poem. Both McVeigh and this poster held the same enemy in common: the government, specifically the more 'liberal' incarnation of it. Both of them felt unjustly persecuted by the government.

The association isn't "OMG this person is going to go blow up a federal building", but rather, "Wow, this person appears to see the government as a tyrannical, oppressive force that they're locked in direct combat with-- just like McVeigh. And interestingly, they used the same poem to express that feeling." Again, it's not about the poem, it's about the use of the poem: It's in response to a bill about health care and education being passed.

Context is kind of important.

All of which might be true and correct and interesting if we could find out if nut-boy there knew of McVeigh's use of it. Otherwise, it's just a bit of trivia, and roughly comparable to a teenager's invoking Mandela in order to stay out late on Friday nights.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:12:27pm

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

Previous violence in the home was the real indicator as I just read in the link. And drinking. But guns are the problem.
Geez, here we go again.

Guns do make violence in the home faster, more effective, deadlier, and more dangerous to responders.

164 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:12:34pm

re: #156 Guanxi88

Eh, the checks your mouth writes are cashier's checks; they're not subject to stop-pay.

Stop-pay is moot when no ones is buying what your selling.

165 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:13:12pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

Guns do make violence in the home faster, more effective, deadlier, and more dangerous to responders.

Guns don't kill people; husbands who come home early do.

166 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:13:17pm

re: #161 Guanxi88

There's always the overdraft thing, but the cost can be rather high.

//if there are rounds in the clip how can I be overdrawn?

167 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:13:28pm

re: #162 Guanxi88

It has absolutely nothing to do with whether this person knew of McVeigh's use of it. It's remarkably more interesting if they didn't.

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

168 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:13:58pm

re: #166 brookly red

//if there are rounds in the clip how can I be overdrawn?

Ahh, good point. I know at Red's Indoor Range, they'll let you shoot all day; just open a tab.

169 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:13:59pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

I've read many times that the prevalence of conspiracy theories in the Middle East comes from government repression--people are largely ignorant, good media coverage is thin on the ground, and rumors fly on the wind.

That is why I don't get Malkin's people. They're fairly well educated--OK, they're idiots, but clearly literate idiots. They have internet access. They live in a free society. And they appear willing to accept any goddamn thing they hear, without ever checking it, and are content to live in a state of simmering paranoia (the healthcare bill might dismantle the Bill of Rights! It's a SECRET what's in it! Even though the damn thing has been on the Internet for month after month.)

What's going on here?

My own theory is that at the core of almost every conspiracy theory lies some racist sentiment. von Daniken's alien architects were acceptable because they explained how people with dark skin were able to build things like the pyramids and Machu Pichu; you'll note that aliens are never invoked to explain Chartes Cathedral, or even Stonehenge, in vD's writings. The US government had to be behind the 9/11 attacks, 'cause a bunch of Arabs couldn't have possibly been smart enough to pull such a thing off on their own. White folks masterminded World War II for economic gain, because otherwise a bunch of Asians would have to be given credit for dragging the US into the war. There are quite a few other examples, and a lot of what you're seeing emerging from TPLand also fits this pattern. It's a lot easier for some to believe that some uber-conspiracy of white folk is behind every disaster, misstep and anything else that doesn't go the way the believer would like, than to think that some bunch of [insert racial epithet here] had enough brains to pull it off - or that it was simply a chance occurrence, like the Indonesian tsunami which, despite stories published in some quarters, really wasn't a result of Karl Rove gettin' happy with his earthquake machine.

170 ShaunP  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:16:21pm

re: #167 Obdicut

It has absolutely nothing to do with whether this person knew of McVeigh's use of it. It's remarkably more interesting if they didn't.

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

I get you. Same way if "snowfire" sees himself as being oppressed in a Mandela/apartheid sense...

171 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:16:38pm

re: #167 Obdicut

It has absolutely nothing to do with whether this person knew of McVeigh's use of it. It's remarkably more interesting if they didn't.

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

Let me try:

1) It's an act of whacky over dramatization to invoke this poem in this context?

2) Another person earlier invoked this poem as his final statement before we put an end to his oxygen-thieving ways;

3) Unknown drama queen's use of a poem used by oxygen-thief shows, not merely that they both had access to the same source-texts, but share a common ideology or tendency that rises above the level of trivial to concerning.

Is that about it?

172 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:17:10pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

Guns do make violence in the home faster, more effective, deadlier, and more dangerous to responders.

The only place the police have an easy job is in a police state.

173 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:17:30pm

re: #168 Guanxi88

Ahh, good point. I know at Red's Indoor Range, they'll let you shoot all day; just open a tab.

and free salsa & chips when you buy a beer...

174 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:18:24pm

re: #170 ShaunP

I get you. Same way if "snowfire" sees himself as being oppressed in a Mandela/apartheid sense...

Funny, I was thinking 'snowfire' was female. I do hope he doesn't read this, as I suspect he's insecure enough already.

175 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:18:35pm

re: #173 brookly red

and free salsa & chips when you buy a beer...

[Link: www.redsguns.com...]

Monday is Ladies' Day at Red's!

What is Ladies' Day? In order to get more ladies interested in the sport of shooting and/or practicing with firearms they own for defense, we have designated Mondays as Ladies' Day at the Range. The guys are welcome, of course, but the ladies get the special deals!!

Ladies shoot for half-price ($7.00/hour) and all rental guns (you must be 21 years of age to rent a handgun) are free for their use (ammo must be purchased). Range personnel are available to assist those who are beginning shooters. Red's is very supportive of the female shooting population and consistently works to make sure all enjoy their shooting experiences at Reds!

176 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:19:17pm

re: #174 darthstar

Funny, I was thinking 'snowfire' was female. I do hope he doesn't read this, as I suspect he's insecure enough already.

Eh, I doubt a lady, or even a female, would be prone to the kinda hysteria that informed this one.

177 soap_man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:19:24pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

Guns do make violence in the home faster, more effective, deadlier, and more dangerous to responders.

"Guns don't kill people, the government does."
—Dale Gribble

178 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:19:43pm

re: #171 Guanxi88

3) Unknown drama queen's use of a poem used by oxygen-thief shows, not merely that they both had access to the same source-texts, but share a common ideology or tendency that rises above the level of trivial to concerning.

I have no clue what you mean by rising above the level of 'trivial'. I'd say that yeah, it means it's not just 'trivia' that McVeigh referenced the same poem in reference to government 'oppression' that was nothing of the sort.

179 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:19:54pm

re: #171 Guanxi88

...snip
3) Unknown drama queen's use of a poem used by oxygen-thief shows, not merely that they both had access to the same source-texts, but share a common ideology or tendency that rises above the level of trivial to concerning.

Is that about it?

I think it's less an ideology than an internal view of their relation to the world. Any number of ideologies could be adapted to fill the gaps.

180 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:20:07pm

re: #175 Guanxi88

[Link: www.redsguns.com...]

Monday is Ladies' Day at Red's!

What is Ladies' Day? In order to get more ladies interested in the sport of shooting and/or practicing with firearms they own for defense, we have designated Mondays as Ladies' Day at the Range. The guys are welcome, of course, but the ladies get the special deals!!

Ladies shoot for half-price ($7.00/hour) and all rental guns (you must be 21 years of age to rent a handgun) are free for their use (ammo must be purchased). Range personnel are available to assist those who are beginning shooters. Red's is very supportive of the female shooting population and consistently works to make sure all enjoy their shooting experiences at Reds!

every day is Ladies day at Red's...

181 webevintage  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:20:08pm

re: #165 Guanxi88

Guns don't kill people; husbands who come home early do.

Guns don't kill people, but the gun helps...
Eddie Izzard

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:20:15pm

re: #176 Guanxi88

Eh, I doubt a lady, or even a female, would be prone to the kinda hysteria that informed this one.

Oh, I've seen some of these gals go totally haywire.

183 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:21:05pm

re: #180 brookly red

every day is Ladies day at Red's...

giggity-giggity!

184 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:21:13pm

re: #181 webevintage

Guns don't kill people, but the gun helps...
Eddie Izzard

guns don't kill people... bullets do.

185 BlackFedora  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:21:41pm

That poem has always been one of my favorites. Its often inspired me. Its a shame that its associated with McVeigh and these morons.

I've got a lot of reactionary folk I'm friends with on Facebook and I'm seeing over and over again stuff like, "Goodbye America." "This is the end of America."

I don't get it. This country survived a civil war, a great depression, two world wars, a cold war, the turmoil of the civil rights movement and a bill in congress is the end of the country and the death of the American dream? What pathetic patriotism. If all it takes to end the greatness of your country is a President from the other team in office... that's some weak faith in your country.

186 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:21:42pm

re: #131 Lidane

He was also a vegetarian and I just had tofu for lunch. Oh dear.

And I once rode down the Champs d'Elysees, just like he once did.

187 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:21:46pm

re: #90 The Sanity Inspector

I'd no more tie "Invictus" to McVeigh than I'd cede Wagner to Hitler.

Odd you should mention that.
Richard Wagner's grandson Wolfgang Wagner dies at 90

MUNICH, Germany — Wolfgang Wagner, the grandson of composer Richard Wagner and the leader of the Bayreuth opera festival for more than half a century, has died. He was 90.

Wagner died Sunday, the festival said in a brief statement on its website. It did not give further details.

"Wolfgang Wagner dedicated his whole life to the legacy of his grandfather," the festival said -- adding that his long service as the event's leader means that he "goes into history as the longest-serving director in the world."

Wagner stepped down after the 2008 festival following a lengthy power struggle in which the patriarch long resisted efforts to dislodge him.

He had led the festival dedicated to his grandfather's works since 1951, first with his brother Wieland and then as the sole director -- with a lifetime contract.

His insistence on serving out that contract led in his later years to clashes with officials who oversee the event -- held every summer in the Bavarian town of Bayreuth in the small brick theatre built by Richard Wagner in the 1870s.

188 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:22:09pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Suicidal ideation with a gun is more often male than female, by the numbers.

However, I don't think gender is really all that important here.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:23:04pm

re: #188 Obdicut

Suicidal ideation with a gun is more often male than female, by the numbers.

However, I don't think gender is really all that important here.

True, and true.

190 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:23:06pm

Short break...

191 soap_man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:23:32pm

re: #185 BlackFedora

That poem has always been one of my favorites. Its often inspired me. Its a shame that its associated with McVeigh and these morons.

I've got a lot of reactionary folk I'm friends with on Facebook and I'm seeing over and over again stuff like, "Goodbye America." "This is the end of America."

I don't get it. This country survived a civil war, a great depression, two world wars, a cold war, the turmoil of the civil rights movement and a bill in congress is the end of the country and the death of the American dream? What pathetic patriotism. If all it takes to end the greatness of your country is a President from the other team in office... that's some weak faith in your country.

Spot on. I think, some how, some way, the Republic will survive.

192 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:24:01pm

re: #186 The Sanity Inspector

And I once rode down the Champs d'Elysees, just like he once did.

My cousins and I ran across it once. I'm amazed I didn't get hit by a car in the process. Heh.

193 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:25:00pm

Hey gang, anybody watching crazy pants on Fox right now? I don't get the cable news channels. This is one time I wish I did.

194 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:25:10pm

This means another run on ammunition.....fake shortages.....outrageous prices......whole suburbs sinking under the weight of hoarded munitions.

I'll probably have to get an air rifle and start making my own pellets at this rate.

195 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:25:16pm

re: #192 Lidane

My cousins and I ran across it once. I'm amazed I didn't get hit by a car in the process. Heh.

The French get extra "hit the American" points if they look you in the eyes while they hit you.

196 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:26:14pm

re: #186 The Sanity Inspector

And I once rode down the Champs d'Elysees, just like he once did.

I've driven it...good fun, driving through Paris. The eight lane round about around the Arc de Triumph is actually much easier to navigate than it looks.

197 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:26:28pm

re: #175 Guanxi88

Ladies shoot for half-price ($7.00/hour)...

Holy crap. Regular price is $14/hr?!?! What a rip-off. Who pays an hourly fee to shoot at a range? Come to think of it, I don't recall ever being at any range that charges by the hour.

198 Lidane  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:26:44pm

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

The French get extra "hit the American" points if they look you in the eyes while they hit you.

True. I think the drivers were more intent on hitting the people on Vespas, though, since three of them faceplanted in rapid succession.

199 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:27:02pm

re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy crap. Regular price is $14/hr?!?! What a rip-off. Who pays an hourly fee to shoot at a range? Come to think of it, I don't recall ever being at any range that charges by the hour.

Ahh, but this one's in-town, indoors, and it's nice and swanky-like.

200 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:27:08pm

re: #196 darthstar

I've driven it...good fun, driving through Paris. The eight lane round about around the Arc de Triumph is actually much easier to navigate than it looks.

I suck at navigating roundabouts...

201 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:27:18pm

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

The French get extra "hit the American" points if they look you in the eyes while they hit you.

If I ever hit the lottery I am taking a 65 Buick Wildcat to Paris... hehehe.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:27:34pm

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

The French get extra "hit the American" points if they look you in the eyes while they hit you.

Is that what that was all about? I just thought none of them could drive a straight line.

203 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:27:46pm

re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy crap. Regular price is $14/hr?!?! What a rip-off. Who pays an hourly fee to shoot at a range? Come to think of it, I don't recall ever being at any range that charges by the hour.

That's what the back yard is for...well, back when I was a kid and our back yard was 80 acres...and our nearest neighbor was a mile away.

204 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:27:50pm

re: #178 Obdicut

I have no clue what you mean by rising above the level of 'trivial'. I'd say that yeah, it means it's not just 'trivia' that McVeigh referenced the same poem in reference to government 'oppression' that was nothing of the sort.

So, then, the snowbird is a mcviegh fan, at least?

205 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:27:50pm

re: #185 BlackFedora

That poem has always been one of my favorites. Its often inspired me. Its a shame that its associated with McVeigh and these morons.

I've got a lot of reactionary folk I'm friends with on Facebook and I'm seeing over and over again stuff like, "Goodbye America." "This is the end of America."

I don't get it. This country survived a civil war, a great depression, two world wars, a cold war, the turmoil of the civil rights movement and a bill in congress is the end of the country and the death of the American dream? What pathetic patriotism. If all it takes to end the greatness of your country is a President from the other team in office... that's some weak faith in your country.

It's pretty pathetic isn't it? I upped you because you said what I've been saying.

206 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:28:03pm

re: #196 darthstar

I've driven it...good fun, driving through Paris. The eight lane round about around the Arc de Triumph is actually much easier to navigate than it looks.

Navigate? Only chicken assed tourist navigate it, Parisians just get on it and go.

207 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:28:12pm

re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy crap. Regular price is $14/hr?!?! What a rip-off. Who pays an hourly fee to shoot at a range? Come to think of it, I don't recall ever being at any range that charges by the hour.

we have live entertainment...

208 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:28:25pm

re: #201 brookly red

If I ever hit the lottery I am taking a 65 Buick Wildcat to Paris... hehehe.

Not me

I'll take a 25 Playboy Bunny!

209 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:28:37pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

An absence of a weapon for the victim makes it much safer for the rapist/robber/killer during the attempt. Responders will have no problem if there were a serious gunfight at my home or work. A lack of training on the part of the gun owner is not an argument against guns, its an argument against inadequate training. The level of training was not a control factor, which by itself ruins the study.

210 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:28:39pm

re: #201 brookly red

Naaah, you want a '73 Chevy convertible. a 2 ton boat with 350hp.

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:28:54pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

John McCain had little choice but to say that. He's facing a wingnut in the Arizona primary in August and he has to keep the wingnuts from hating him till then. They aren't willing to compromise, and if expresses a willingness to do so they'll vote him out. His base has tied his hands.

yeah, this exactly.

212 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:28:59pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I've seen some of these gals go totally haywire.

... but enough about my ex-girlfriend.
/

213 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:29:25pm

re: #199 Guanxi88

Ahh, but this one's in-town, indoors, and it's nice and swanky-like.

All they need now is free beer and a giant TV.

214 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:29:45pm

re: #200 The Sanity Inspector

I suck at navigating roundabouts...

Treat it like a normal intersection...inside lane if you're going straight or turning (with blinker on if you're making a turn), outside lane if you're peeling off to the right(left in the UK)...right of way to whomever is already in the circle.

215 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:29:50pm

re: #203 darthstar

That's what the back yard is for...well, back when I was a kid and our back yard was 80 acres...and our nearest neighbor was a mile away.

/ahhh, that explains the lack of socialization...

216 freetoken  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:30:06pm

File this one under "What Right Wing Racism?"...

The freepers are running a thread called "Black lawmakers applaud Obama's health care reform (Compare to Civil Rights Act)". I mentioned it last night.

Since then they've added more comments ... vile as ever. Now someone is linking to noted racist and B-rated talker Terry Anderson. Yesterday's political theater in DC is really bringing the fringe out.

217 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:30:14pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Strangely enough, it was the Twilight Zone for me. That show and of course Rod Serling deeply shaped my ethics as a child. I'm still grateful for his work.

218 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:30:17pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

It's pretty pathetic isn't it? I upped you because you said what I've been saying.

Hold that though: When later on the tables turn, let's have no more talk of fleeing to Canada, as happened in '04.

219 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:31:00pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Is that what that was all about? I just thought none of them could drive a straight line.

Seriously... they really try to "beam" in on you. The way to stop them cold is to stare right back at them. It's the best way to get across a zebra crossing where supposedly you have the right of way... look them right in the eye and keep walking, they won't hit you.

220 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:31:23pm

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

Navigate? Only chicken assed tourist navigate it, Parisians just get on it and go.

They follow logical right-of-way rules of the road...turn signals, etc. You just don't enter at the far right if you're going left.

221 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:31:40pm

re: #204 Guanxi88

No. To repeat: It has absolutely nothing to do with whether this person knew of McVeigh's use of it.

222 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:32:25pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

Seriously... they really try to "beam" in on you. The way to stop them cold is to stare right back at them. It's the best way to get across a zebra crossing where supposedly you have the right of way... look them right in the eye and keep walking, they won't hit you.

Yokels in Lubbock do that. I always thought they were just trying to intimidate me out of running over them, as though they thought they could whup me if I did.

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:32:31pm

re: #199 Guanxi88

I prefer the outdoor ones myself. Sun, fresh air, and a greater range of options for entertainment.

224 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:32:54pm

re: #217 Irenicum

Strangely enough, it was the Twilight Zone for me. That show and of course Rod Serling deeply shaped my ethics as a child. I'm still grateful for his work.

yeah, it helped prepare me for today...

225 drcordell  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:33:15pm

re: #218 The Sanity Inspector

Hold that though: When later on the tables turn, let's have no more talk of fleeing to Canada, as happened in '04.

This is a valid point. But in my book there is a bit of a difference between freaking out over a President enacting internet and telephone surveillance and launching a major war vs. freaking out over providing healthcare to all Americans. Your mileage my vary of course.

226 blueraven  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:33:21pm

re: #193 Irenicum

Hey gang, anybody watching crazy pants on Fox right now? I don't get the cable news channels. This is one time I wish I did.

Corrupt government!! What were you doing in the 60s OBAMA??!!! Smoking pot and being radical hippies like the rest of the people running congress were, huh, HUH??!!!

I had to change the channel after that. Have no idea what he is talking about.

227 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:33:31pm

re: #218 The Sanity Inspector

Hold that though: When later on the tables turn, let's have no more talk of fleeing to Canada, as happened in '04.

Oh I hated that too believe me. The reactions on the left when Bush won re-election were disappointing to me as were the cries by some that he stole it.

228 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:33:39pm

re: #224 brookly red

yeah, it helped prepare me for today...

Trying to wish unwanted things into the cornfield today, hmm?

;)

229 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:33:47pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

Seriously... they really try to "beam" in on you. The way to stop them cold is to stare right back at them. It's the best way to get across a zebra crossing where supposedly you have the right of way... look them right in the eye and keep walking, they won't hit you.

famous last words...

230 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:34:29pm

re: #201 brookly red

If I ever hit the lottery I am taking a 65 Buick Wildcat to Paris... hehehe.


I saw one of these when I was in paris in 1995, at the Montmarte: Image: IROC-Z.jpg

That color, that condition. Flawless, original wheels, and two cool-as-a-cucumber French guys driving it, cruising around.

231 soap_man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:34:34pm

re: #226 blueraven

Corrupt government!! What were you doing in the 60s OBAMA??!!! Smoking pot and being radical hippies like the rest of the people running congress were, huh, HUH??!!!

I had to change the channel after that. Have no idea what he is talking about.

I'm pretty sure he was learning how to right and how cool it is to share one's toys.

232 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:34:39pm

re: #228 torrentprime

That episode used to scare the daylights out of me!

233 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:34:53pm

re: #229 brookly red

REDNECK famous last words...

"hold my beer, I wanna try sumfin"

234 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:34:54pm

re: #218 The Sanity Inspector

Hold that though: When later on the tables turn, let's have no more talk of fleeing to Canada, as happened in '04.

ewww it's cold...

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:35:14pm

re: #213 Shiplord Kirel

All they need now is free beer and a giant TV.

Free beer at a $14/hr rate? They'd go bankrupt if I ever showed up.

236 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:35:32pm

re: #221 Obdicut

No. To repeat: It has absolutely nothing to do with whether this person knew of McVeigh's use of it.

So, then, the point is that it's over the top? But that was my point as well.

237 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:35:36pm

re: #224 brookly red

It's helped me to prepare for the last thirty years.

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:36:08pm

re: #226 blueraven

Corrupt government!! What were you doing in the 60s OBAMA??!!! Smoking pot and being radical hippies like the rest of the people running congress were, huh, HUH??!!!

I had to change the channel after that. Have no idea what he is talking about.

WHAT WERE YOU DOING IN THE 60S WITH YOUR TIME MACHINE, OBAMA

239 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:36:13pm

re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth

Free beer at a $14/hr rate? They'd go bankrupt if I ever showed up.

It's tecate, which is that cheap, and that unwholesome, that they'd turn quite a profit.

240 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:36:19pm

re: #234 brookly red

ewww it's cold...

and deep

(mens room humor)

241 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:36:20pm

re: #228 torrentprime

Trying to wish unwanted things into the cornfield today, hmm?

;)

this is Brooklyn... wtf is a cornfield?

242 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:36:23pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

"hold my beer, I wanna try sumfin"

HEY Y'ALL! WATCH THIS!

243 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:36:37pm

re: #230 WindUpBird

I knew an American in the UK when I was there who brought his Camaro with him from the states...loved driving it and said he constantly got people asking to look under the hood, sit behind the wheel, etc.

244 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:36:53pm

re: #220 darthstar

They follow logical right-of-way rules of the road...turn signals, etc. You just don't enter at the far right if you're going left.

Even though is appears to be chaotic, European drivers tend to be much better drivers than Americans. That may be anecdotal on my part, but it's my experience. Especially on the "A" routes, that left hand lane is always clear except when someone needs to pass, and then right back into the right hand lanes.

Poland was a little scary. Most of the roads are two lanes, and it's normal for people to play "leap frog" all the way down the road, in an attempt to get further, faster.

I had a driver taking me to Treblinka in the winter, it was snowing and he's sticking his nose out into oncoming traffic checking out if he could try to pass, this went on for hours. I was really glad to get back to Warsaw.

245 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:37:02pm

re: #226 blueraven

Does he even realize that Obama was born in 61? Oh wait, I'm expecting rationality. Silly me!

246 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:37:18pm

re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth

Free beer at a $14/hr rate? They'd go bankrupt if I ever showed up.

They have dollar pabst pints at the tavern down the street from me. I couldn't drink 4 of those an hour, let alone 14 :D

247 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:37:38pm

re: #236 Guanxi88

Obviously, if I felt that we were saying the same thing I wouldn't be telling you you didn't understand me. Other people have understood it. I can't find any other way to say it. I don't know what else to say to you, except perhaps reread what I already said.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:38:02pm

re: #243 darthstar

I knew an American in the UK when I was there who brought his Camaro with him from the states...loved driving it and said he constantly got people asking to look under the hood, sit behind the wheel, etc.

See, that's just totally awesome. I'd love a yellow 75 firebird like my old one to screech around little seaside towns in the UK. :D

249 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:38:09pm

re: #229 brookly red

famous last words...

I said "keep walking." It helps.

250 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:38:16pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Even though is appears to be chaotic, European drivers tend to be much better drivers than Americans. That may be anecdotal on my part, but it's my experience. Especially on the "A" routes, that left hand lane is always clear except when someone needs to pass, and then right back into the right hand lanes.

Poland was a little scary. Most of the roads are two lanes, and it's normal for people to play "leap frog" all the way down the road, in an attempt to get further, faster.

I had a driver taking me to Treblinka in the winter, it was snowing and he's sticking his nose out into oncoming traffic checking out if he could try to pass, this went on for hours. I was really glad to get back to Warsaw.

Yep...the craziest driving experience I had was when I was in Turin, Italy...there people just make their own lanes, and if the light's red, just wait for a gap in traffic to proceed. Still, I only saw one or two wrecks in ten days.

251 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:38:21pm

re: #245 Irenicum

Does he even realize that Obama was born in 61? Oh wait, I'm expecting rationality. Silly me!

/// but where???

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:38:57pm

re: #239 Guanxi88

It's tecate, which is that cheap, and that unwholesome, that they'd turn quite a profit.

Heh. I drink Steel Reserve like it's water. Serving me Tecate would definitely break the bank.

253 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:39:03pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

I said "keep walking." It helps.

so you still can speak brooklynese....

254 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:39:39pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Even though is appears to be chaotic, European drivers tend to be much better drivers than Americans. That may be anecdotal on my part, but it's my experience. Especially on the "A" routes, that left hand lane is always clear except when someone needs to pass, and then right back into the right hand lanes.

Poland was a little scary. Most of the roads are two lanes, and it's normal for people to play "leap frog" all the way down the road, in an attempt to get further, faster.

I had a driver taking me to Treblinka in the winter, it was snowing and he's sticking his nose out into oncoming traffic checking out if he could try to pass, this went on for hours. I was really glad to get back to Warsaw.

in Jamaica, it's normal to squeeze three cars into a very narrow two lane road, with blind curves and no shoulder whatsoever...the could care less....driving there is a matter of life and death actually

255 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:40:05pm

If Ann Coulter gets arrested in Canada for running her worthless mouth off, I'm having a party: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

256 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:40:21pm

Official: ACORN disbanding amid falling revenues

CHICAGO – A spokesman for the once mighty community activist group ACORN says the group is disbanding.

National ACORN spokesman Kevin Whelan said Monday that the organization's board decided to close remaining state affiliates and field offices by April 1 because of falling revenues. Some other national operations will continue operating for at least several weeks before shutting for good.

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:40:38pm

re: #246 WindUpBird

They have dollar pabst pints at the tavern down the street from me. I couldn't drink 4 of those an hour, let alone 14 :D

I could easily drink 4 of those in an hour, but 14? I don't hate myself that much.

258 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:40:59pm

re: #256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Official: ACORN disbanding amid falling revenues

restructuring the Family

259 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:41:04pm

re: #256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Official: ACORN disbanding amid falling revenues

So O'Keefe and Breitbart win? That sucks.

260 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:41:20pm

Wishing it to the cornfield>

261 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:41:25pm

re: #255 WindUpBird

If Ann Coulter gets arrested in Canada for running her worthless mouth off, I'm having a party: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

so you celebrate the oppression of free (but odious) speech?

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:41:51pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Even though is appears to be chaotic, European drivers tend to be much better drivers than Americans. That may be anecdotal on my part, but it's my experience. Especially on the "A" routes, that left hand lane is always clear except when someone needs to pass, and then right back into the right hand lanes.

Poland was a little scary. Most of the roads are two lanes, and it's normal for people to play "leap frog" all the way down the road, in an attempt to get further, faster.

I had a driver taking me to Treblinka in the winter, it was snowing and he's sticking his nose out into oncoming traffic checking out if he could try to pass, this went on for hours. I was really glad to get back to Warsaw.

It's true, Euro drivers rock. In Germany, I believe I remember hearing that on the Autobahn, if you're in the left lane and you don't pull out of it when someone wants past you, that's an ENORMOUS fine. They take their lanes seriously!

263 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:42:05pm

re: #247 Obdicut

Obviously, if I felt that we were saying the same thing I wouldn't be telling you you didn't understand me. Other people have understood it. I can't find any other way to say it. I don't know what else to say to you, except perhaps reread what I already said.

What you said was Invictus is about being a victim. That isn't the way I read it. It's about fighting on regardless of how much you've been beaten down. I don't see it as odd that a lot of different people take this poem to heart for a lot of different reasons.

264 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:42:09pm

re: #250 darthstar

This is an awesome clip of a race car driver test driving a car with his wife onboard. She doesn't know there's a camera. She screams the whole way after he gets up to speed. In Italian.

265 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:42:14pm

re: #261 brookly red

so you celebrate the oppression of free (but odious) speech?

of course...and think nothing of it

266 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:42:18pm

re: #246 WindUpBird

They have dollar pabst pints at the tavern down the street from me. I couldn't drink 4 of those an hour, let alone 14 :D

14 of those in a hour. I mean I drink fast and all but that's too much even for me.

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:42:22pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

I could easily drink 4 of those in an hour, but 14? I don't hate myself that much.

Portland is a cheap drunk!

The best deals though, they're not the dollar pabst. They're the 2 dollar local micros. 8-)

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:42:30pm

re: #261 brookly red

so you celebrate the oppression of free (but odious) speech?

No, just bad things happening to Ann Coulter. I wouldn't vote for it here, but I won't stop myself from giggling if she gets in trouble there.

Which she won't, so sort of moot.

269 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:42:41pm

re: #256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Official: ACORN disbanding amid falling revenues


oh don't worry they will be back...

270 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:42:43pm

re: #255 WindUpBird
Be careful what you wish for. Thought crime and speech limitations could be headed your way.

271 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:43:35pm

re: #263 RogueOne

I'm not saying it's about being a victim. I'm saying it's being used by someone who thinks they've been 'beaten down' because the health care bill passed. And that that's inappropriately acting like a victim.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:43:38pm

re: #263 RogueOne

What you said was Invictus is about being a victim. That isn't the way I read it. It's about fighting on regardless of how much you've been beaten down. I don't see it as odd that a lot of different people take this poem to heart for a lot of different reasons.

Ideally, yes, that's what it's about.

It's just that these people think they're 'bloody but unbowed' after having a freaking health care bill passed, and that makes them both funny and horrible.

273 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:43:53pm

re: #261 brookly red

so you celebrate the oppression of free (but odious) speech?

Canadians are always at pains to keep from being mistaken for Americans. This is one way of doing it.

274 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:44:20pm

re: #261 brookly red

so you celebrate the oppression of free (but odious) speech?

hahahaha oh Brooklyn you so funny

OH GOD CANADA ITS LIKE NAZI IRAN HYPER GERMANY UP THERE

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:44:40pm

re: #271 Obdicut

I'm not saying it's about being a victim. I'm saying it's being used by someone who thinks they've been 'beaten down' because the health care bill passed. And that that's inappropriately acting like a victim.

The kid who 'identifies' with Anne Frank because her parents wouldn't let her date that college boy.

276 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:44:56pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

No, just bad things happening to Ann Coulter. I wouldn't vote for it here, but I won't stop myself from giggling if she gets in trouble there.

Which she won't, so sort of moot.

free speech means for all...

277 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:45:05pm

Eh if she gets arrested she'll be able to act like she's a victim. Nothing more pathetic than someone like her acting like they're being oppressed. The beauty of free speech is even nutters like Ann have the right to say what they want to.

278 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:45:12pm

re: #262 WindUpBird

It's true, Euro drivers rock. In Germany, I believe I remember hearing that on the Autobahn, if you're in the left lane and you don't pull out of it when someone wants past you, that's an ENORMOUS fine. They take their lanes seriously!

Same rule applies to the right-hand lane in the UK. My co-worker's wife got a ticket for driving her Porche 116 mph on the M-5. The police happened to have videotaped her from a helicopter during the pursuit. She fought the ticket, and used the videotape to show that she stayed out of the right hand lane except to pass, used her turn signals properly, and got away with a small (couple hundred pound) fine...would have lost her license otherwise.

279 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:45:17pm

re: #270 pingjockey

Be careful what you wish for. Thought crime and speech limitations could be headed your way.

Out come the concern trolls! Sorry guys, not taking the bait. :D

280 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:45:35pm

re: #276 brookly red

free speech means for all...

And Canada should respect American 1st Amendment rights!

281 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:45:40pm

re: #273 The Sanity Inspector

Canadians are always at pains to keep from being mistaken for Americans. This is one way of doing it.

Having the best snipers in the world is another.

Props to my brothers and sisters up north.

282 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:45:47pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Is that what that was all about? I just thought none of them could drive a straight line.

I might replace the iconic Flying Lady on my new/old car with a fearsome demon or something similar, just to frighten peasants out of the way now that I'm an oligarhhhh and all.

Btw, one of my neighbors saw me drive up in it the other day and asked, for real, "Take up drug dealing or something, Jimmy?"
I answered, "No, gunrunning."
He said, "Cool, let me know when you have a sale."

Other reactions: My mother was initially horrified since someone had assured her that Rolls-Royces cost about a million bucks and run on distilled puppies; something to that effect anyway. I actually paid quite a bit less for it than she did for her '08 Pontiac Grand-Am. She did like the color though. My daughter drove it to the grocery store yesterday and reported that nobody seemed to notice.

283 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:46:09pm

re: #279 WindUpBird

Out come the concern trolls! Sorry guys, not taking the bait. :D

Good for you. Of course it's not right, and of course it's damn funny.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:46:24pm

re: #276 brookly red

free speech means for all...

I don't know if you're aware of this, but Canada is not a US state.

Neither is Jupiter, or Narnia. Carry on!

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:46:37pm

re: #274 WindUpBird

hahahaha oh Brooklyn you so funny

OH GOD CANADA ITS LIKE NAZI IRAN HYPER GERMANY UP THERE

It's the same way I chortle when Holocaust deniers get their asses arrested in Germany.

I would not approve of such laws in the States, but DAMN it's funny to watch them realize that not everyone will let them scoot around doing their thing.

This may be either hypocritical or just mean. I don't really care.

286 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:46:39pm

re: #262 WindUpBird

It's also a good way to die (Not getting out of the way).

There are some horrific stories about the guy in the big mercedes and the guy in the little VW in the fast lane.

287 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:46:42pm

re: #274 WindUpBird

hahahaha oh Brooklyn you so funny

OH GOD CANADA ITS LIKE NAZI IRAN HYPER GERMANY UP THERE

you just said you wanted some one arrested for shooting off their mouth... what's up with that?

288 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:46:46pm

re: #275 SanFranciscoZionist

I seriously saw a yuppie on the 38L protesting at being asked to move out of the 'for elderly and disabled seats' by saying, "This is what they did to Rosa Parks."

289 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:47:16pm

ACORN Will “Bring Operations To A Close”

The ACORN Association Board met on Sunday March 21 and approved a set of steps to responsibly manage the process of bringing its operations to a close over the coming months. These include:

Closing ACORN’s remaining state affiliates and field offices by April 1st; and developing a plan to resolve all outstanding debts, obligations and other issues.

ACORN’s members have a great deal to be proud of–from promoting to homeownership to helping rebuild New Orleans, from raising wages to winning safer streets, from training community leaders to promoting voter participation — ACORN members have worked hard to create stronger to communities, a more inclusive democracy, and a more just nation.

290 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:47:47pm

re: #271 Obdicut

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

The just lost a long fight. I don't think it's ironic that they're feeling defeated. There was a lot of emotional energy put into this on both sides. Do you two think it's ironic that Nancy Pelosi is relieved?

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:48:36pm

re: #287 brookly red

you just said you wanted some one arrested for shooting off their mouth... what's up with that?

No, he just wants Ann Coulter to be inconvenienced.

292 blueraven  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:48:38pm

re: #276 brookly red

free speech means for all...

But hate speech, which is her specialty, does not have to be tolerated by our neighbors to the north.

293 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:48:43pm

re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boy, it's so great that fabricated lies can destroy an organization like that and congress can be complicit in it. That's fucking awesome for the future of the Republic.

James O'Keefe is sniggering to himself right now. The creep.

294 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:48:51pm

re: #288 Obdicut

I seriously saw a yuppie on the 38L protesting at being asked to move out of the 'for elderly and disabled seats' by saying, "This is what they did to Rosa Parks."

Some people deserve to get smacked in the head.

295 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:48:53pm

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

There seems to be a weird line of thought here, something along the lines of:

Lack of freedom of speech in other countries will inevitably lead to lack of freedom of speech here.

296 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:48:58pm

re: #283 torrentprime

Good for you. Of course it's not right, and of course it's damn funny.

yes :D

It's like when some stupid kid thinks they're a badass by scoring some weed in Europe, and then they get nailed with it on a train.You just have to laugh at the arrogance of it! It'd just be the perfect thing for Ann Coulter's foghorn voice to get her tossed in the slammer in another country.

297 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:49:06pm

re: #284 WindUpBird

I don't know if you're aware of this, but Canada is not a US state.

Neither is Jupiter, or Narnia. Carry on!

yes you don't respect free speech, got it loud & clear.

298 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:49:10pm

re: #290 RogueOne

Never mind. As I said, I've explained what I think already. I have nothing more to add on the subject.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:49:18pm

re: #288 Obdicut

I seriously saw a yuppie on the 38L protesting at being asked to move out of the 'for elderly and disabled seats' by saying, "This is what they did to Rosa Parks."

Inappropriate historical analogies R US.

300 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:49:30pm

re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ACORN Will “Bring Operations To A Close”

if they re so honest, successful and a community asset...how did they go out of business?....alot of fluff in there

301 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:49:34pm

re: #288 Obdicut

I seriously saw a yuppie on the 38L protesting at being asked to move out of the 'for elderly and disabled seats' by saying, "This is what they did to Rosa Parks."

Good. Grief.
He/she should have been hustled outside, strapped to the front end with duct tape, and forced to ride that way.

302 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:49:50pm

re: #290 RogueOne

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

The just lost a long fight. I don't think it's ironic that they're feeling defeated. There was a lot of emotional energy put into this on both sides. Do you two think it's ironic that Nancy Pelosi is relieved?

To quote Stewart, "I think you're confusing tyranny with losing."

Did they lose a legislative battle? Yes. And acting directly saying on the floor of the House of Representatives that the American Dream will die because of these mild reforms? That ain't "defeated".

303 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:50:09pm

re: #274 WindUpBird

hahahaha oh Brooklyn you so funny

OH GOD CANADA ITS LIKE NAZI IRAN HYPER GERMANY UP THERE

You think you're joking, don't you...
//

304 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:50:11pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, Rosa Parks didn't move. So if you want to be like Rosa, sit there and fucking fight the man!

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:50:22pm

re: #290 RogueOne

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

The just lost a long fight. I don't think it's ironic that they're feeling defeated. There was a lot of emotional energy put into this on both sides. Do you two think it's ironic that Nancy Pelosi is relieved?

I can understand feeling dispirited, or down, or worried.

I do find the attitude at some of the sites I'm viewing simply over the top.

306 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:50:28pm

re: #293 Obdicut

Boy, it's so great that fabricated lies can destroy an organization like that and congress can be complicit in it. That's fucking awesome for the future of the Republic.

James O'Keefe is sniggering to himself right now. The creep.

Why bother with a well thought out cohesive argument when we can patch together a video with some hookers in it and get the same end results. I mean, who doesn't like hookers?

///

307 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:50:39pm

re: #264 Obdicut

This is an awesome clip of a race car driver test driving a car with his wife onboard. She doesn't know there's a camera. She screams the whole way after he gets up to speed. In Italian.


[Video]

Before you move, go take a test drive of a BMW with Koroosh (a sales guy) at Mt. View BMW. Ask for the 'performance drive'...he sold us our X3 and then our X5 a couple of years later. It's amazing how well those cars can handle if you just let them do what they need.

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:50:40pm

re: #286 windsagio

It's also a good way to die (Not getting out of the way).

There are some horrific stories about the guy in the big mercedes and the guy in the little VW in the fast lane.

I wouldn't be in the fastlane in a VW on the Autobahn unless it was in this: [Link: www.streetracersonline.com...]

I figure 550hp in a Golf is pretty all right for staying ahead of some guy's 911 :D

309 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:50:59pm

re: #279 WindUpBird
Watch your mouth. You can call me damn near anything, but troll is right out. Yes I understand Canada has different laws regarding speech. We already have universities limiting free speech. I may not agree with her schtick or Al sharptons but I took an oath 5 times to defend that little piece of paper that guarentees our free speech is all. It would be a little funny if she got busted, it'd help her sell a bunch of books.

310 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:51:00pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

No, he just wants Ann Coulter to be inconvenienced.

well, if that's all, I have quite a list myself

311 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:51:03pm

re: #300 albusteve

if they re so honest, successful and a community asset...how did they go out of business?...alot of fluff in there

Right-wing media bias. You see, some kid spliced together some video, and...

312 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:51:13pm

re: #300 albusteve

if they re so honest, successful and a community asset...how did they go out of business?...alot of fluff in there

That was their own statement.

313 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:51:28pm

re: #307 darthstar

Before you move, go take a test drive of a BMW with Koroosh (a sales guy) at Mt. View BMW. Ask for the 'performance drive'...he sold us our X3 and then our X5 a couple of years later. It's amazing how well those cars can handle if you just let them do what they need.

BMW SUVs :( :(

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:51:39pm

re: #290 RogueOne

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

The just lost a long fight. I don't think it's ironic that they're feeling defeated. There was a lot of emotional energy put into this on both sides. Do you two think it's ironic that Nancy Pelosi is relieved?

And yes, I said just the same when my lefty friends were screaming about fascism, and planning to join underground organizations to keep Arab Americans safe. In fact, what I said on those occasions is unprintable, and made the occasional lefty friend cry.

315 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:51:44pm

re: #307 darthstar

I don't drive. I could have my fiancee do it, and I'll go along and scream in Italian.

316 Locker  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:52:09pm

re: #300 albusteve

if they re so honest, successful and a community asset...how did they go out of business?...alot of fluff in there

Because malicious and dishonest assholes slandered the organization nonstop, regardless of facts or reality. It's right in the article you linked to but you probably didn't read it. Here you go:

ACORN has teetered toward bankruptcy because of fiscal management, but mainly because their national fundraising dried up after conservative activists supposedly caught ACORN field office employees on tape engaging in illegal tax fraud. Nothing could be further from the truth – to this day, ACORN has not been charged with a crime or found guilty of any wrongdoing, despite the tapes being heavily edited to convey that impression. This conservative hit job sadly succeeded in its goal, abetted by a media which went out of its way to hype the tapes.

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:52:58pm

re: #295 windsagio

There seems to be a weird line of thought here, something along the lines of:

We have the gold standard of freedom of speech in the States. I like that.

But Canada is a sovereign nation.

318 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:53:00pm

re: #297 brookly red

yes you don't respect free speech, got it loud & clear.

you really got to wonder about people who down-ding free speech.

319 Locker  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:53:29pm

re: #318 brookly red

you really got to wonder about people who down-ding free speech.

You gotta wonder how people who get down-dinged for putting false words in someone's mouth try to disguise it as an attack on free speech. Hilarious.

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:54:01pm

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel

Good. Grief.
He/she should have been hustled outside, strapped to the front end with duct tape, and forced to ride that way.

The bicycle racks are on the front. Maybe to the roof.

321 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:54:13pm

re: #318 brookly red

you really got to wonder about people who down-ding free speech.

Fortunately, those who downding people for putting words in others' mouths and intentionally taking things out of context are pretty well understood.

322 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:54:22pm

re: #287 brookly red

you just said you wanted some one arrested for shooting off their mouth... what's up with that?

Yeah, the way someone gets arrested for having too loud a party, or gets arrested for drunk and disorderly. You spend a night in the tank, come out a little humiliated with an appreciation for the fact that you can't necessarily go to another country and act like the same horrid slimebag you do in America. I R TEH STAZI

You're such a concern troll, man I don't even :D

323 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:54:59pm

re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist

Just drop him off in the tenderloin and tell him there's a cab stand at Turk and Leavenworth. My old neighborhood.

324 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:55:13pm

Everybody is always for free-speech, until someone says something they don't like.

325 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:55:22pm

There were enough discrepancies with ACORNs internal business practices and accounting to warrant a further investigation, the outcome of which would probably have been much more illuminating in the long run. Having it brought down this way is the epitome of dirty politics.

326 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:55:29pm

re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist

The bicycle racks are on the front. Maybe to the roof.

No, that's perfect: The bike racks would be an ideal anchorage for duct tape.

327 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:55:35pm

re: #264 Obdicut

I love she gets progressively louder and faster as he drives! Hysterical!

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:55:53pm

re: #295 windsagio

There seems to be a weird line of thought here, something along the lines of:

Lack of freedom of speech in Iran and the Congo will spread to the US!

people are stupid, and Ann Coulter should totally get arrested in Canada so I can have her mugshot as my wallpaper, defaced with a photoshop of Nick Nolte's hair on it.

329 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:56:13pm

re: #324 RogueOne

Everybody is always for free-speech, until someone says something they don't like.

ConcerrrrnnnnRRRNRRRNRRRN

TROOOOOOLL

330 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:56:26pm

re: #319 Locker

You gotta wonder how people who get down-dinged for putting false words in someone's mouth try to disguise it as an attack on free speech. Hilarious.

re: #255 WindUpBird

If Ann Coulter gets arrested in Canada for running her worthless mouth off, I'm having a party: [Link: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]...]

busted for running a mouth off... come on we would all be doing life.

331 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:56:41pm

re: #328 WindUpBird
That would be one helluva picture.

332 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:56:43pm

re: #324 RogueOne

Everybody is always for free-speech, until someone says something they don't like.

I usually just respond by calling them a c***sucker. They're entitled to their opinion and I'm entitlied to mine.

333 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:56:56pm

re: #318 brookly red

you really got to wonder about people who down-ding free speech.

Your sauce is too weak to really merit the effort of a downding, man

334 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:56:59pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

And yes, I said just the same when my lefty friends were screaming about fascism, and planning to join underground organizations to keep Arab Americans safe. In fact, what I said on those occasions is unprintable, and made the occasional lefty friend cry.

Its OK to make loons cry sometimes. The people in question had gotten out of control and they needed to be brought down to earth. Sometimes the person bringing them down has to be the bad guy at least for a while.

335 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:57:17pm

re: #332 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I usually just respond by calling them a c***sucker. They're entitled to their opinion and I'm entitlied to mine.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

336 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:57:20pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

Not me

I'll take a 25 Playboy Bunny!

I don't think they had Playboy Bunnies in 1925. But, hey, to each his own.

337 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:57:40pm

re: #331 pingjockey

That would be one helluva picture.

Is there a better famous person mug shot than Nick Nolte's? I mean, there are more freaky, but just the picture that tells a thousand words...

338 sarabande  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:57:44pm

re: #8 RogueOne

True. Invictus is "the poem that inspired Mandela during his 27 years in jail for fighting apartheid."

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

339 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:57:53pm

re: #322 WindUpBird

Yeah, the way someone gets arrested for having too loud a party, or gets arrested for drunk and disorderly. You spend a night in the tank, come out a little humiliated with an appreciation for the fact that you can't necessarily go to another country and act like the same horrid slimebag you do in America. I R TEH STAZI

You're such a concern troll, man I don't even :D

oh, you learned a new phrase... I am happy for you.

340 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:58:07pm

Hey, I made the bottom 10!

I'd like to thank gegenkritik for not coming around today, god, mom, and of course the academy.

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:58:14pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

And yes, I said just the same when my lefty friends were screaming about fascism, and planning to join underground organizations to keep Arab Americans safe. In fact, what I said on those occasions is unprintable, and made the occasional lefty friend cry.

Oh dammit, now I wanna know what you said! :D

342 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:58:22pm

re: #335 torrentprime

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I admit. Its a very context based statement.

343 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:58:23pm

re: #332 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't agree with the laws in Germany or in Canada. But given that the laws are well-known, I do consider it comedy when someone can't abide by them and gets arrested. Even while I support repeal of those laws.

I'm for legalization of pot. That doesn't mean I won't chuckle when a guy calls the cops to complain that someone stole some of his weed.

344 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:58:28pm

re: #337 WindUpBird
That mug shot is the epitome of a lost weekend.

345 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:58:28pm

re: #308 WindUpBird

The problem is that htey're offended by your presence where you shouldn't be, so you sure as hell had BETTER be able to outrun them :P

346 Locker  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:58:36pm

re: #336 b_sharp

I don't think they had Playboy Bunnies in 1925. But, hey, to each his own.

She was probably the Ford Model T Runabout Girl.

347 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:58:37pm

re: #329 WindUpBird

ConcerrrnnnRRRNRRRNRRRN

TROOOLL

You don't know what you're talking about. We've already had this argument.

348 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:59:01pm

re: #343 Obdicut

Err, I don't agree with Germany's free-speech laws. Or anti-free-speech laws. PIMF.

349 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:59:03pm

re: #329 WindUpBird

How about not calling established, sane posters 'trolls', WUB? You know darn well that RogueOne is not a troll.

350 windsword  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:59:43pm

Someone on Malkin's website posted someone else's poem that was also recited by Timothy McVeigh! It's the long sought guilt by association by association by association!
re: #318 brookly red

you really got to wonder about people who down-ding free speech.


Down dings themselves are an act of free speech. Don't act all high and mighty.

351 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:59:44pm

re: #309 pingjockey

lol@'watchyourmouth'

352 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 2:59:50pm

re: #345 windsagio

The problem is that htey're offended by your presence where you shouldn't be, so you sure as hell had BETTER be able to outrun them :P


That's just it, the whole point of having a Golf with the power to weight ratio of a supercar is to embarrass people and infuriate them :D

353 blueraven  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:00:20pm

re: #318 brookly red

you really got to wonder about people who down-ding free speech.

Nice play of the circular strawman as victim.

So you call people haters of free speech and when they down ding you they really do hate free speech. Got it.

354 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:00:29pm

re: #350 windsword

Someone on Malkin's website posted someone else's poem that was also recited by Timothy McVeigh! It's the long sought guilt by association by association by association!

Down dings themselves are an act of free speech. Don't act all high and mighty.

if that make you feel better :) have at it.

355 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:01:09pm

re: #353 blueraven

Nice play of the circular strawman as victim.

So you call people haters of free speech and when they down ding you they really do hate free speech. Got it.

so does free speech apply to people you don't like?

356 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:01:47pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

How about not calling established, sane posters 'trolls', WUB? You know darn well that RogueOne is not a troll.

doesn't matter...it's a cool new thing for some people

357 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:02:00pm

re: #355 brookly red

Should US citizens be allowed to ignore the laws of other countries while IN other countries in the name of 'free speech'?

358 soap_man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:02:13pm

Well, Hoy-lee shiiiit.

Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'

The Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests, according to a shocking documentary to be screened by the BBC tonight.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

359 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:02:17pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

How about not calling established, sane posters 'trolls', WUB? You know darn well that RogueOne is not a troll.

it is what it is.

360 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:02:39pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

I think someone spiked his Viso with crystal meth and pcp >>

361 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:03:10pm

re: #356 albusteve

doesn't matter...it's a cool new thing for some people

In fairness, I do troll but usually it's only to get obdi. Don't know why.

362 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:03:20pm

re: #351 windsagio
I know. I know, I go and say that while defending free speech. Aaagh. It's just that I have been here for quite a while, never lurk, and most certainly do not deserve to be called troll. Asshat, sometimes. Bill of Rights purist all the time, and some unprintable things the better half called me after catching me with a smoke AFTER cancer surgery.

363 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:03:27pm

re: #357 windsagio

Should US citizens be allowed to ignore the laws of other countries while IN other countries in the name of 'free speech'?

no, but I hear the weather in Saudi Arabia is lovely this time of year...

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:03:29pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

How about not calling established, sane posters 'trolls', WUB? You know darn well that RogueOne is not a troll.

Dude, a concern troll is a very very specific phenomenon, which is rampant at this moment.

he's not a TROLL

he's a concern troll. It's a very specific thing. it's not like a TROLL troll, it's a discrete phenomenon apart from actual trolling. You really think brooklyn red is dead serious and very concerned about the free speech in canada? Or is he just pissed that I'm delighting in the possibility of Ann Coulter spending a night in a drunk tank?

See, they can't really DEFEND ann coulter, because she's a vile scold. But they can go after the guy who's giggling at the threat a university official made to her, with their VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS about how I'm against free speech. So yeah, they are concern trolls. That is what they are doing.

it's textbook, man.

365 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:03:43pm

re: #355 brookly red

so does free speech apply to people you don't like?

here it goes here it goes here it goes again

366 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:03:46pm

re: #358 soap_man

Well, Hoy-lee shiiit.

Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'

They better be able to produce some serious evidence to back those claims.

367 blueraven  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:04:03pm

re: #355 brookly red

Yes. I just dont like hate speech, which is what Coulter spews. She has a right to do it in the USA. In Canada...not sure??

368 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:04:06pm

re: #363 brookly red

no, but I hear the weather in Saudi Arabia is lovely this time of year...

here it goes again!

See what i mean, DF?

369 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:04:10pm

re: #359 brookly red

To the point, I think he's wrong about 'concern trolls' (its not quite right usage). He is right about people being intentionally dense in order to win 'points' and be able to say 'while you're just against free speech!'

So its kinda dishonest, but not really concern-trolling.

370 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:04:37pm

re: #363 brookly red

lol that's nice and meaningless >>

371 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:04:57pm

re: #358 soap_man

Well, Hoy-lee shiiit.

Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'

Yikes! If that's anywhere close to true, he's a goner.

372 soap_man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:05:05pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They better be able to produce some serious evidence to back those claims.

Looks like they have multiple inside on-the-record sources, as well as some paperwork and memos and such.

373 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:05:13pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

hmm, maybe you're right, you make a compelling argument :p

374 Locker  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:05:25pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

Additionally, it's pretty clear that you are labeling a behavior, not a person. Unfortunately it's quote common to deliberately misunderstand just to fake a reason to make a complaint. Especially when the complainer doesn't like the commenter.

375 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:05:35pm

over 5700 people joined in for the annual Bataan Death March thing down at White Sands yesterday...that's a lot of people to converge at such a remote area...11 survivors from NM were there...good to see people remembering such an evil thing

376 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:05:42pm

All I know is, you better pay attention to other countries laws when you're there. Miranda rights only exist here.

377 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:06:01pm

See, the way I avoid the speech laws of Germany, Canada, and Saudi Arabia is by never going to Germany, Canada, or Saudi Arabia. Call me old fashioned.

378 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:06:03pm

free speech is a really easy concept, you get it or you don't.

379 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:06:14pm

#361 RogueOne


In my defense I've stated multiple times on multiple issues how strident I feel about the right to free speech. Other than calling for violence and disturbing the peace I don't think there should be any restrictions on speech. None.re:

380 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:06:19pm

re: #374 Locker

I could go on about 'sense of ownership and trying to stifle dissent...'

wait, I just did.

381 windsword  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:06:52pm

re: #358 soap_man
I'm skeptical. Frankly, I don't think the same bishops that knew he wrote this supposed document would ever elect Ratzinger to Pope with that information. It's a disaster in the making.

382 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:07:35pm

re: #367 blueraven

Yes. I just dont like hate speech, which is what Coulter spews. She has a right to do it in the USA. In Canada...not sure??

I also support the right of Germany to throw people in jail who use hate speech.

It's their country, I support it. I support their soverign right to do that.

here's the Canadian law: In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred[9] against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offence under the Criminal Code of Canada with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.'

So yeah, you can't say the shit Ann Coulter says in Canada. They have their country, we have ours. I see both sides of the issue, and I see why we do things our way, and why they do things their way. Both are valid. We don't magically have a better system than they do, they don't have a magically better system than we do.

383 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:07:39pm

re: #379 RogueOne

#361 RogueOne

In my defense I've stated multiple times on multiple issues how strident I feel about the right to free speech. Other than calling for violence and disturbing the peace I don't think there should be any restrictions on speech. None.

SHUT UP!

384 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:08:01pm

It's obvious that Coulter is just trying to stir shit up. If she's able to say what she wanted to say then she serves one purpose by getting people upset and if she's not she gets to play the victim.

385 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:08:14pm

re: #378 brookly red

re: #379 RogueOne

I think everyone here gets the concept of free speech.

Its just people don't need to do this whole breast-beating act about it, nor make allusions of superiority on the subject.

386 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:08:16pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

Dude, a concern troll is a very very specific phenomenon, which is rampant at this moment.

he's not a TROLL

he's a concern troll. It's a very specific thing. it's not like a TROLL troll, it's a discrete phenomenon apart from actual trolling. You really think brooklyn red is dead serious and very concerned about the free speech in canada? Or is he just pissed that I'm delighting in the possibility of Ann Coulter spending a night in a drunk tank?

See, they can't really DEFEND ann coulter, because she's a vile scold. But they can go after the guy who's giggling at the threat a university official made to her, with their VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS about how I'm against free speech. So yeah, they are concern trolls. That is what they are doing.

it's textbook, man.

what a blowhard...you are a troll and a thread whore..everyone sees through you ridiculous, juvenile troll act, you stupid caps, and your relentless unfriendliness to a select group you have targeted....all in fun of course

387 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:08:36pm

re: #379 RogueOne

#361 RogueOne

In my defense I've stated multiple times on multiple issues how strident I feel about the right to free speech. Other than calling for violence and disturbing the peace I don't think there should be any restrictions on speech. None.

but, but, but I don't like what she said Waaaaahhhh.

388 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:09:02pm

Here we go again... Springtime in the Rockies...

Synopsis – Beautiful spring weather will give way to another winter / spring storm for the Front Range of Colorado Tuesday and ending Wednesday midmorning. Snow will spread across the area Tuesday becoming heavy in the foothills Tuesday afternoon and night and heavy in the urban corridor Tuesday night into Wednesday morning. Expected snow amounts are 7 to 16 inches in the southern foothills, 6 to 14 inches in the Palmer Divide, 5 to 10 inches in the Denver metro area. Northeast winds of 15 to 25 mph will cause areas of blowing and drifting snow.

The main threat will be hazardous / dangerous winter driving conditions. Travel from Wyoming to New Mexico will be difficult at best. Expect the usual road delays and closures along I-70, I-25 and possibly Hwy 285 and other mountain roads.

Watches & Warnings:

Winter Storm Warning will go into effect 3 pm Tuesday through 6 pm Wednesday for the Front Range Foothills / Mountains below 9,000 feet and for the Denver Metro area.

389 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:09:06pm

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It would actually serve her purposes very well to get arrested for it (as this thread shows), at least if she could get out in a day or too.

Not sure she's savvy enough to think of that tho'.

390 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:09:11pm

Possible:

Coulter will (intentionally) say something inflammatory which violates Canada's "limited speech" laws in some way. She'll get arrested, threaten to sue when her mugshot hits the internet, then go on to sell a butt-load of books about it to her fan-base of rubes.

391 Locker  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:09:33pm

re: #386 albusteve

what a blowhard...you are a troll and a thread whore..everyone sees through you ridiculous, juvenile troll act, you stupid caps, and your relentless unfriendliness to a select group you have targeted...all in fun of course

That is absolutely amazing coming from the number one troll on LGF. I think you should read your text about 100 times and perhaps you will become enlightened and realize you just describe yourself, to a forking T.

392 soap_man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:09:34pm

WOAH, WOAH, WOAH. Hold the phone here. My bad seriously. I got this from a Roger Ebert tweet, but it is apparently old.

393 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:09:41pm

re: #390 Slumbering Behemoth

394 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:09:41pm

re: #369 windsagio

To the point, I think he's wrong about 'concern trolls' (its not quite right usage). He is right about people being intentionally dense in order to win 'points' and be able to say 'while you're just against free speech!'

So its kinda dishonest, but not really concern-trolling.

I call it concern trolling because he's concerned about the fact that I'm against free speech. This whole IT COULD HAPPEN HERE OH GOD, also the same thing. It derails the point and makes it all about some abstract smear. It's textbook.

it's also being intentionally dense :D

395 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:09:56pm

I tried to explain to my spouse that I didn't peal the potatoes yet because someone on the internet was wrong but she's not going for it. Off to help with dinner.

Nite folks!

396 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:10:03pm

re: #385 windsagio

re: #379 RogueOne

I think everyone here gets the concept of free speech.

Its just people don't need to do this whole breast-beating act about it, nor make allusions of superiority on the subject.

sounds like, uhh how do say, butt hurt?

397 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:10:10pm

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398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:10:40pm

re: #379 RogueOne

#361 RogueOne

In my defense I've stated multiple times on multiple issues how strident I feel about the right to free speech. Other than calling for violence and disturbing the peace I don't think there should be any restrictions on speech. None.

So you believe Libel and slander should be legal? :D

I don't think you believe this, but I gotta ask, because of the VERY IMPORTANT POWERFUL BLACK AND WHITE WORD "None."

399 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:10:54pm

re: #392 soap_man

WOAH, WOAH, WOAH. Hold the phone here. My bad seriously. I got this from a Roger Ebert tweet, but it is apparently old.

Yeah, the date says 2006, a tad out of date.

400 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:11:01pm

re: #396 brookly red

man, if I were butthurt, you'd freakin' know it. :p

I think I've done it once or twice...

Usually I start calling people 'utterly useless' or 'retarded'.

401 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:11:05pm

re: #395 RogueOne

I tried to explain to my spouse that I didn't peal the potatoes yet because someone on the internet was wrong but she's not going for it. Off to help with dinner.

Nite folks!

ahahahahahahahaha upding

402 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:11:21pm

re: #392 soap_man

WOAH, WOAH, WOAH. Hold the phone here. My bad seriously. I got this from a Roger Ebert tweet, but it is apparently old.

It doesn't help when they write the date like this:

30.09.06
403 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:11:50pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

Here we go again... Springtime in the Rockies...

Synopsis – Beautiful spring weather will give way to another winter / spring storm for the Front Range of Colorado Tuesday and ending Wednesday midmorning. Snow will spread across the area Tuesday becoming heavy in the foothills Tuesday afternoon and night and heavy in the urban corridor Tuesday night into Wednesday morning. Expected snow amounts are 7 to 16 inches in the southern foothills, 6 to 14 inches in the Palmer Divide, 5 to 10 inches in the Denver metro area. Northeast winds of 15 to 25 mph will cause areas of blowing and drifting snow.

The main threat will be hazardous / dangerous winter driving conditions. Travel from Wyoming to New Mexico will be difficult at best. Expect the usual road delays and closures along I-70, I-25 and possibly Hwy 285 and other mountain roads.

Watches & Warnings:

Winter Storm Warning will go into effect 3 pm Tuesday through 6 pm Wednesday for the Front Range Foothills / Mountains below 9,000 feet and for the Denver Metro area.

the middle Rio Grande valley is looking at very high runoffs this season...the lower Sangre de Cristos are still packed with snow and the meltoff may breach some levees here in ABQ...yowza!...there is snow on every mountain range from here to old Mexico....very unusual winter

404 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:11:52pm

re: #400 windsagio

man, if I were butthurt, you'd freakin' know it. :p

I think I've done it once or twice...

Usually I start calling people 'utterly useless' or 'retarded'.

now, now ... the "r" word will get you in trouble .

405 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:11:58pm

re: #391 Locker

That is absolutely amazing coming from the number one troll on LGF. I think you should read your text about 100 times and perhaps you will become enlightened and realize you just describe yourself, to a forking T.

It's par for steve's course. Rabble-rousing on demand is his specialty. And I say that with some recent-but-honest grudging admiration.

406 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:12:06pm

re: #402 wrenchwench

I blame the French.

407 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:12:22pm

re: #386 albusteve

Are you kidding me? Caps Lock Rules!

408 soap_man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:12:24pm

re: #399 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, the date says 2006, a tad out of date.

re: #402 wrenchwench

GOD DAMN YOU ROGER EBERT!!!

But seriously. This was his tweet from 19 minutes ago.

"It appears to me as if Pope Benedict will be forced to resign. [Link: ow.ly...]

409 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:12:44pm

re: #406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I blame the French.

ans it your right to say so!

410 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:12:56pm

re: #391 Locker

Every blog needs the resident troll and the resident nut. We're lucky enough to have both in one person. This is good for us, because it keeps payroll expenses down.

short version: He's allowed, that's his job :P

411 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:12:57pm

re: #394 WindUpBird

I call it concern trolling because he's concerned about the fact that I'm against free speech. This whole IT COULD HAPPEN HERE OH GOD, also the same thing. It derails the point and makes it all about some abstract smear. It's textbook.

it's also being intentionally dense :D

It also conveniently allows you to avoid treating those you disagree with as human.

412 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:13:01pm

re: #391 Locker

That is absolutely amazing coming from the number one troll on LGF. I think you should read your text about 100 times and perhaps you will become enlightened and realize you just describe yourself, to a forking T.

I'M NUMBER ONE!
I'M NUMBER ONE!
you got it

413 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:13:09pm

re: #397 ausador

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Yeah I don't like that test much myself either but I was 80% on Personal and 40% on economic making me a Liberal.

414 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:13:20pm

re: #389 windsagio

It would actually serve her purposes very well to get arrested for it (as this thread shows), at least if she could get out in a day or too.

Not sure she's savvy enough to think of that tho'.

I've heard that Canadian jails can be real hell-holes, what with menus in English and French.

415 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:14:00pm

re: #408 soap_man

GOD DAMN YOU ROGER EBERT!!!

But seriously. This was his tweet from 19 minutes ago.

"It appears to me as if Pope Benedict will be forced to resign. [Link: ow.ly...]

Never trust the man who wrote "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls."

416 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:14:14pm

re: #414 Decatur Deb

I've heard that Canadian jails can be real hell-holes, what with menus in English and French.

how do you say soy burger in french?

417 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:14:22pm

re: #397 ausador

Bullseye, dead center, Hahahah

418 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:14:23pm

re: #404 brookly red

I've had this fight a few times on here, I've spent my whole life (literally) working with and advocating for the disabled, and I think that the organizations behind that push are totally going the wrong direction.

They're making a word that has ceased (largely) to be a slur for the disabled back into one.


PS: Oh yeah, "FREE SPEECH!"

419 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:14:24pm

re: #405 torrentprime

It's par for steve's course. Rabble-rousing on demand is his specialty. And I say that with some recent-but-honest grudging admiration.

The reason i sorta stopped fighting with Steve is because I actually am starting to like him. He's sorta like Statler and Waldorf from the muppets.

420 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:14:33pm

re: #408 soap_man

GOD DAMN YOU ROGER EBERT!!!

But seriously. This was his tweet from 19 minutes ago.

"It appears to me as if Pope Benedict will be forced to resign. [Link: ow.ly...]

That'll learn ya. Roger Ebert's tweet is not a news source.

421 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:14:40pm

re: #404 brookly red

now, now ... the "r" word will get you in trouble .

Only if you use it in reference to Sarah (I take all possible criticism personally, even if it isn't directed at me, and use it for personal gain for weeks on end) Palin.

422 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:14:40pm

Ed Morrisey warns the wingnuts about Obama's tracking devices in cell phones....
Hmmm: Feds, local law enforcement accessing cell phone tracking “thousands of times a month”

I’m no fan of labor-union activism, but Americans have a right to peaceably assemble for political purposes without the government conducting covert surveillance. Just as with the NSA’s program, this is a very powerful tool that law enforcement can and should use — but for legitimate and very limited purposes. This requires a much higher standard for warrants on law enforcement investigations than what is described in this article.

423 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:15:02pm

re: #389 windsagio

It would actually serve her purposes very well to get arrested for it (as this thread shows), at least if she could get out in a day or too.

Not sure she's savvy enough to think of that tho'.

Ha I think she is. She's made millions getting liberals pissed off and feeding conservatives red meat. It's like how for as much as a guy like Limbaugh will complain about Obama he knows deep down that having Obama is better for him personally since his audience is going to increase with a guy of a differing ideology in charge.

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:15:30pm

re: #310 albusteve

well, if that's all, I have quite a list myself

Well, all right then.

425 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:15:31pm

re: #407 WindUpBird

Stolen. Thanks!

426 soap_man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:15:32pm

re: #415 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Never trust the man who wrote "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls."

I got fooled because on top, right above the headline, it gives today's date. I didn't see the "last updated on" part.

FAIL.

427 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:16:10pm

re: #405 torrentprime

It's par for steve's course. Rabble-rousing on demand is his specialty. And I say that with some recent-but-honest grudging admiration.

You are 100 percent wrong. No one demands any rebel-rousing from Steve... he freely distributes it all the time. If he chews your butt, don't feel special... he's equal opportunity.... and spot on.

428 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:16:16pm

re: #422 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey warns the wingnuts about Obama's tracking devices in cell phones...
Hmmm: Feds, local law enforcement accessing cell phone tracking “thousands of times a month”

I wonder if one could push CB radios to the forefront and make some good money off them. I mean, hell, if you can sell $5.00 worth of seeds for $150 bucks, how much could you sell a radio for?

429 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:16:18pm

re: #338 sarabande

True. Invictus is "the poem that inspired Mandela during his 27 years in jail for fighting apartheid."

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Nelson Mandela wasn't posting a comment in a Michelle Malkin thread with dozens of other comments calling for civil war, joining militias, buying guns and ammo, etc.

Just a slight difference.

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:16:44pm

re: #411 SixDegrees

It also conveniently allows you to avoid treating those you disagree with as human.

I think he's human, just dishonest about why he's going on and on about free speech.

You think i'm hard on this guy? Au contraire! I've had WAY worse exchanges with people I know in person! Ask windsagio about my LJ escapades. And yet i can still be their friend and buy them beers. One of my best friends is a full on 9/11 truther. Another one is an AGW denier and a Ron paul voter. We have gotten into it, and yes, I still think they're human, because I see them at cons and buy them beers :D

431 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:16:46pm

In the '90s, remember that punk kid (American) that went around vandalizing shit in Singapore? Recall how folks were able to talk the Singapore officials down to just three whacks with a bamboo stick?

That kid didn't know just how lucky he was to get only that. Or maybe he did.

432 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:17:01pm

re: #405 torrentprime

It's par for steve's course. Rabble-rousing on demand is his specialty. And I say that with some recent-but-honest grudging admiration.

I have listened to you attack poodles long enough....unfriendliest bunch of gossip and friction mongers I've seen....you're number one!....you love to post on and on about other posters like a bunch of old bags at a hair salon...god entertainment tho...by now I could care less what trumped up names you want to call me....it's like watching a bunch of mean assed jr high punks....hahaha....fuck you Locker, you poodle...attack me all you want

433 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:17:21pm

re: #427 Walter L. Newton

Well neither of your last lines are remotely true, the first part is pretty on tho', he seems to get a big charge out of it.

434 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:17:23pm

re: #429 Charles

Nelson Mandela wasn't posting a comment in a Michelle Malkin thread with dozens of other comments calling for civil war, joining militias, buying guns and ammo, etc.

Just a slight difference.

But, if Nelson Mandela DID post on Malkin/Christian Radio Network's blog, THAT would be news.

435 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:17:24pm

re: #427 Walter L. Newton

You are 100 percent wrong. No one demands any rebel-rousing from Steve... he freely distributes it all the time. If he chews your butt, don't feel special... he's equal opportunity... and spot on.

it is true, he's quite equal opportunity :D

436 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:18:05pm

re: #390 Slumbering Behemoth

Possible:

Coulter will (intentionally) say something inflammatory which violates Canada's "limited speech" laws in some way. She'll get arrested, threaten to sue when her mugshot hits the internet, then go on to sell a butt-load of books about it to her fan-base of rubes.

Can't Canada just have her spanked for being juvenile then send her home?

/

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:18:12pm

re: #432 albusteve

I have listened to you attack poodles long enough...unfriendliest bunch of gossip and friction mongers I've seen...you're number one!...you love to post on and on about other posters like a bunch of old bags at a hair salon...god entertainment tho...by now I could care less what trumped up names you want to call me...it's like watching a bunch of mean assed jr high punks...hahaha...fuck you Locker, you poodle...attack me all you want

This is actually why i like you :D

438 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:18:14pm

re: #418 windsagio

I've had this fight a few times on here, I've spent my whole life (literally) working with and advocating for the disabled, and I think that the organizations behind that push are totally going the wrong direction.

They're making a word that has ceased (largely) to be a slur for the disabled back into one.

PS: Oh yeah, "FREE SPEECH!"

on this we agree.

439 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:18:18pm

re: #431 Slumbering Behemoth

In the '90s, remember that punk kid (American) that went around vandalizing shit in Singapore? Recall how folks were able to talk the Singapore officials down to just three whacks with a bamboo stick?

That kid didn't know just how lucky he was to get only that. Or maybe he did.

Yeah I remember. Weird Al Yankovic immortalized it in a song called Headline News I believe heh.

440 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:18:32pm

re: #337 WindUpBird

Is there a better famous person mug shot than Nick Nolte's? I mean, there are more freaky, but just the picture that tells a thousand words...

I am a big fan of the Larry King one from the early 70s, but I can't argue with you.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:18:37pm

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

Its OK to make loons cry sometimes. The people in question had gotten out of control and they needed to be brought down to earth. Sometimes the person bringing them down has to be the bad guy at least for a while.

I only really lost one friend over post-9/11 issues, and I guess we were never that close.

Everyone else eventually calmed down.

442 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:18:42pm

re: #430 WindUpBird

I actually have that big blowup with XXXX from (unnamed date several years ago) bookmarked.

Needless to say, that won't be posted because it would reveal alot of troubling information about both of us >>

443 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:19:00pm

re: #433 windsagio

Well neither of your last lines are remotely true, the first part is pretty on tho', he seems to get a big charge out of it.

You just feel left out because Steve doesn't pay enough attention to you. He prefers a challenge.

444 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:19:02pm

The stock market loves the Health Care Reform bill:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

445 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:19:09pm

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

Can't Canada just have her spanked for being juvenile then send her home?

/

That was actually all I wanted to see. I don't want her in Oz, just the drunk tank for a night, hanging out with some guy next to her, who's crocheting something that doesn't exist :D

446 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:19:39pm

re: #435 WindUpBird

it is true, he's quite equal opportunity :D

I dunno, I wanna see him call, say, Mandy, a 'worthless attention whore who is only in it for her ego', that would be freakin' equal opportunity :D

447 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:19:54pm

Man, sudden craving alert. I would kill for a grilled cheese and bacon sandwich right now.

448 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:20:01pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

Ok that deserved an upding :D

449 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:20:01pm

re: #432 albusteve

I have listened to you attack poodles long enough...unfriendliest bunch of gossip and friction mongers I've seen...you're number one!...you love to post on and on about other posters like a bunch of old bags at a hair salon...god entertainment tho...by now I could care less what trumped up names you want to call me...it's like watching a bunch of mean assed jr high punks...hahaha...fuck you Locker, you poodle...attack me all you want

Bravo!

450 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:20:02pm

re: #445 WindUpBird

Hey, got my Tshirt of the "Guitarist". I will link a photo soon. Looks good!

451 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:20:47pm

re: #444 prairiefire

The stock market loves the Health Care Reform bill:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

well yeah...

452 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:20:48pm

re: #341 WindUpBird

Oh dammit, now I wanna know what you said! :D

Uh, I'm not sure I remember all that clearly anymore. We were yelling.

I did make fun of Naomi Wolf when she said the Bush administration was opening her letters to her kids at camp.

Of course, given my luck, we'll probably find out in fifty years that the Bush administration WAS opening her letters to her kids at camp, and then I'll look silly.

Although not as silly as the Bush administration will look.

453 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:20:58pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior
The ship I was on pulled into Singapore in the '80s. We got a handout with all the do and don'ts. And the penalties. Forget to flush a public toilet, 2 whacks, spit gum on the sidewalk, 3 whacks, it was an eye opener.

454 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:21:32pm

re: #447 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: medium.jpg

455 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:22:05pm

re: #453 pingjockey

The ship I was on pulled into Singapore in the '80s. We got a handout with all the do and don'ts. And the penalties. Forget to flush a public toilet, 2 whacks, spit gum on the sidewalk, 3 whacks, it was an eye opener.

so how many whacks did you end up with :)

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:22:18pm

re: #450 prairiefire

Hey, got my Tshirt of the "Guitarist". I will link a photo soon. Looks good!

yay!

I've been thinking about getting a Redbubble account and trying out their print on demand shirt stuff, they seem to have a good design interface.

457 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:22:24pm

re: #453 pingjockey

The ship I was on pulled into Singapore in the '80s. We got a handout with all the do and don'ts. And the penalties. Forget to flush a public toilet, 2 whacks, spit gum on the sidewalk, 3 whacks, it was an eye opener.

Well, I know I am never going to Singapore now. I am really absent-minded. But wow whacking someone for forgetting to flush a toilet.

458 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:22:38pm

XKCD depicts a feeling too many lizards are likely very familiar with!

[Link: xkcd.com...]

459 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:23:14pm

re: #453 pingjockey

The ship I was on pulled into Singapore in the '80s. We got a handout with all the do and don'ts. And the penalties. Forget to flush a public toilet, 2 whacks, spit gum on the sidewalk, 3 whacks, it was an eye opener.

I would have stayed on the ship!

460 Dime IV  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:23:17pm

Charles, for you to stoop so low as to suggest some sinister connection between someone against H.R. 3962 who quotes W. E. Henley's 19th century poem and terrorist Timothy McVeigh because he quoted the same poem is beyond the pale, especially for someone as obviously intelligent as you, bud.

I'm sure the general inference of an unenlightened Lizard is that McVeigh composed "Invictus" and that all who stand on the right side of the political spectrum have taken the poem to their bosom eo ipso.

It's the same argumentum ad hominem you once admirably and correctly abhorred.

By the way, "Invictus" is the motto of the U.S. Naval Academy Class of 2010--I suppose those honorable men and women, too, are ardent admirers of McVeigh's?

Joel

461 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:23:28pm

re: #398 WindUpBird

So you believe Libel and slander should be legal? :D

I don't think you believe this, but I gotta ask, because of the VERY IMPORTANT POWERFUL BLACK AND WHITE WORD "None."

Of course you can go too far with Libel and Slander laws as the U.K. recently has, that is how people end up declaring bankruptcy because they criticized certain chiropractic "woo merchants" in print.

If I think something is a bunch of new age "woo" bullshit then I think I should be able to actually say or write that to whomever I please without being sued into bankruptcy for it.

462 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:23:34pm

re: #457 HappyWarrior

Well, I know I am never going to Singapore now. I am really absent-minded. But wow whacking someone for forgetting to flush a toilet.

oh, try dating a girl from DR & leaving the seat up...

463 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:23:35pm

re: #458 Joo-LiZ

XKCD depicts a feeling too many lizards are likely very familiar with!

[Link: xkcd.com...]

That's been posted a dozen times here, but it's always true :D

464 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:23:37pm

re: #457 HappyWarrior

It is one of the safest countries in the world.

On the other hand, this is freaking Super-villian territory


([Link: www.transitioning.org...]

465 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:23:59pm

re: #459 WindUpBird

I would have stayed on the ship!

Oh.. don't fool with me... you'd enjoy the whacks. Ohhhh.

466 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:23:59pm

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

I only really lost one friend over post-9/11 issues, and I guess we were never that close.

Everyone else eventually calmed down.

Glad most of them came around. I hope the GOP comes around eventually. The Bad Craziness has already gotten old.

467 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:24:05pm

re: #460 Dime IV

Gazedy gaze gaze!
or some such nonsense.

468 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:24:14pm

re: #463 WindUpBird

That's been posted a dozen times here, but it's always true :D

Does it make me a geek that I like the URL for that cartoon because of its number?

469 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:24:16pm

re: #455 brookly red
Heh. None. We all minded our manners, and if you get busted trying to smuggle in or smuggle out dope. it's a hanging offense, same with your second DUI.

470 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:24:30pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Yeah I remember. Weird Al Yankovic immortalized it in a song called Headline News I believe heh.

The lesson is that you don't go to another country, act like an ass, and expect to be treated by American standards. I didn't have any sympathy for that punk, and I won't have any for Coulter if she runs afoul of Canadian speech laws.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:24:41pm

re: #377 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

See, the way I avoid the speech laws of Germany, Canada, and Saudi Arabia is by never going to Germany, Canada, or Saudi Arabia. Call me old fashioned.

Let me mention, also, that Germany and Canada are sort of on a different shelf from Saudi in this discussion...

472 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:24:43pm

re: #460 Dime IV

Now there's a troll.

473 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:24:55pm

re: #465 Walter L. Newton

Oh.. don't fool with me... you'd enjoy the whacks. Ohhh.

why he got on the ship in the first place...

474 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:25:01pm

re: #464 windsagio

It is one of the safest countries in the world.

On the other hand, this is freaking Super-villian territory

([Link: www.transitioning.org...]

Oh I am sure it's perfectly safe but I am really really absent minded. Like I've had many a day where I found my shirt was inside out. It's part of my Asperger's I think haha. I live in my own little world.

475 Uncle Meat  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:25:04pm

re: #282 Shiplord Kirel

I often lurk here, haven't posted much at all.

But I saw your post about the new car, Shiplord, and combined with the Lawrence reference I just had to log in to say this: You rock.

476 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:25:23pm

re: #459 WindUpBird
It was the cleanest big city I have ever seen. They have a "benevolent" dictatorship over there.

477 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:25:30pm

re: #460 Dime IV

OK, now this is a Concern Troll.

478 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:25:40pm

re: #474 HappyWarrior

I suspect that they secretly turn their disabled into fuel for their death rays, so I'd stay away >>

479 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:25:45pm

Nobody ever pays attention to context anymore.

480 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:25:46pm

re: #382 WindUpBird

I see both sides of the issue, and I see why we do things our way, and why they do things their way. Both are valid. We don't magically have a better system than they do, they don't have a magically better system than we do.

CULTURAL RELATIVISM!!!!

///OK, I'm getting punchy again.

481 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:25:47pm

re: #468 darthstar

Does it make me a geek that I like the URL for that cartoon because of its number?

yes

482 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:26:07pm

re: #472 wrenchwench

re: #477 Dark_Falcon

GMTA

483 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:26:12pm

re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist

Not to worry, our President Wilson during WW1 committed dozens of extreme attacks on civil liberties, the likes of which a Bush critic could only gasp over. Read and weep.

On the eve of United States involvement in World War I, Frank Cobb, editor of the New York World, interviewed President Wilson. In referring to the brutal and ruthless fight that lay ahead, the President said that a spirit of ruthless brutality would pervade all areas of American life and that free speech and the right of assembly would be curtailed.

Two months later, in June 1917, Congress passed the Espionage Act and in May 1918 added an amendment to it, usually called the Sedition Act. The espionage Act provided for a fine up to $10,000 and a prison term of twenty years for anyone who interfered with the draft or encouraged disloyalty. The Sedition Act provided the same penalty for anyone who interfered with or obstructed the sale of United States bonds, incited insubordination, or discouraged recruiting, or who would "willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the American form of government, the flag, or uniform or the services, or who would bring the form of government or the Constitution into contempt, or advocate any curtailment of production in this country of anything necessary or essential to the production of the war.

The passage of these two acts may be attributed mainly to espionage activities. German agents had put bombs in ships, fermented strikes at ammunitions plants, tried to bring on a war with Mexico and the United States, and attempted to blow up the Welland Canal.

Under the Sedition Act, hundreds of people were arrested. A teenage girl was sentenced to twenty years imprisonment for criticizing the war. A Californian was sentenced to jail for laughing at rookies drilling on San Francisco's Presidio. A New Yorker received ninety days for spitting on the sidewalk near some Italian officers. Numerous ministers and college professors were dismissed because of their opposition to American entrance into the war. Frederick C. Howe, Commissioner of Immigration at the Port of New York, related how thousands of Germans, Austrians, and Hungarians were taken without trial from their homes and brought to Ellis Island. When he tried to secure decent treatment for the aliens, he was branded as pro-German.

484 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:26:35pm

re: #419 WindUpBird

The reason i sorta stopped fighting with Steve is because I actually am starting to like him. He's sorta like Statler and Waldorf from the muppets.

Image: statler-waldorf.jpg

485 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:26:55pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

Let me mention, also, that Germany and Canada are sort of on a different shelf from Saudi in this discussion...

True, but my statement holds true for every place I don't have any intention of visiting because I dont particulary like the place.

486 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:27:20pm

re: #469 pingjockey

Heh. None. We all minded our manners, and if you get busted trying to smuggle in or smuggle out dope. it's a hanging offense, same with your second DUI.

I could go for hanging the corrupt... but that's just me.

487 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:27:45pm

re: #485 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, but my statement holds true for every place I don't have any intention of visiting because I dont particulary like the place.

New Jersey...

488 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:27:51pm

re: #485 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're missing out on a lot by not going to Germany.

Canada and Saudi, I can agree with you on :p

489 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:28:32pm

re: #397 ausador

Worlds smallest political spectrum test.

Sure you may call yourself Libertarian, Conservative, Liberal, or maybe even a Stateist. But have you ever checked how you see yourself against how others see you?

Find out in just a few questions.

(Disclaimer: This is perhaps one of the most generalized test I have ever seen, however it does return "some" feedback if answered honestly.)

I am a liberal.

This news surprised someone?

490 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:29:18pm

How dare another country act all sovereign and shit.
;)

491 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:29:52pm

re: #487 brookly red

New Jersey...

Actually, I have good memories of Jersey, mostly due to drunk female junior college students.

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:29:57pm

re: #416 brookly red

how do you say soy burger in french?

It doesn't matter. Coulter doesn't eat.

493 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:29:58pm

This may sound silly, but can Charles or any lizard with deleting powers please purge my #358? It's misinformation and I would delete it myself if I had the powers.

494 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:30:18pm

re: #461 ausador

Of course you can go too far with Libel and Slander laws as the U.K. recently has, that is how people end up declaring bankruptcy because they criticized certain chiropractic "woo merchants" in print.

If I think something is a bunch of new age "woo" bullshit then I think I should be able to actually say or write that to whomever I please without being sued into bankruptcy for it.

Oh sure, I agree. But this notion that free speech is some cosmic absolute thing, it doesn't fly with me. We don't have a right to absolute free speech.

I mean, nobody who ever gets their black-and-white panties in a bunch about free speech ever seems to bring up The Miller Test.

Why, because it ruins their argument. it ruins your argument, brookly red! Sorry about that. :)

We don't have a right to lie about odometer readings on a car, we don't have the right to violate copyright, or libel, or slander, there's all kinds of limitations to free speech. it's not this chest-beating absolute right everyone thinks it is.

495 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:30:47pm

re: #490 Varek Raith

How dare another country act all sovereign and shit.
;)

Just because they have the right to their own laws doesn't mean we can't say that those laws are a bad idea. And that's all I'm doing.

496 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:30:57pm

re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist
I surprised myself...libertarian

497 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:31:15pm

re: #485 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, but my statement holds true for every place I don't have any intention of visiting because I dont particulary like the place.

you haven't lived until you wine and dine in Toronto bro...jus sayin

498 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:31:32pm

Gotta go have dinner with the family.

BBL

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:31:39pm

re: #429 Charles

Nelson Mandela wasn't posting a comment in a Michelle Malkin thread with dozens of other comments calling for civil war, joining militias, buying guns and ammo, etc.

Just a slight difference.

How do you know? Mandela could be posting to Malkin's site as "FreedomPatriotAmericanFreeDude" and no one would be the wiser.

500 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:31:53pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Just because they have the right to their own laws doesn't mean we can't say that those laws are a bad idea. And that's all I'm doing.

Do you think our own laws restricting free speech are a bad idea? Arguably, the Miller Test is more restrictive than a restriction on hate speech.

501 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:32:05pm

re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist

I am a liberal.

This news surprised someone?

Supposedly, I'm a right leaning Libertarian, but Beck can still go screw himself.

502 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:32:06pm

re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist

It doesn't matter. Coulter doesn't eat.

well now days lots of us don't...

503 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:32:12pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Just because they have the right to their own laws doesn't mean we can't say that those laws are a bad idea. And that's all I'm doing.

I know that, just being somewhat annoying is all. No caffeine make Varek SMASH STUFF!!!111
:)

504 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:32:40pm

re: #485 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, but my statement holds true for every place I don't have any intention of visiting because I dont particulary like the place.

Why don't you like Germany and Canada? Just curious.

505 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:32:51pm

re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist

I wish we could just feed all our posts in context through a similar filter. See what happens then. Would our dot become a blurred smear?

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:32:56pm

re: #433 windsagio

Well neither of your last lines are remotely true, the first part is pretty on tho', he seems to get a big charge out of it.

Albusteve can swing from being adorable to psychotic in a single thread, several times. I just roll with the punches.

507 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:33:23pm

re: #488 windsagio

You're missing out on a lot by not going to Germany.

Canada and Saudi, I can agree with you on :p

Vancouver BC rocks. Montreal (apparently) rocks and I want to visit. some of the bets beer in the world is in Quebec.

508 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:33:37pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

Albusteve can swing from being adorable to psychotic in a single thread, several times. I just roll with the punches.

Heh, Albusteve is awesome.
:)

509 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:34:24pm

re: #508 Varek Raith

Heh, Albusteve is awesome.
:)

I'll drink to that.

510 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:34:31pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

Albusteve can swing from being adorable to psychotic in a single thread, several times. I just roll with the punches.

I actually find the psychotic parts to be adorable.

He still can crank me up, but i am getting his vibe more.

511 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:34:36pm

re: #504 WindUpBird

Why don't you like Germany and Canada? Just curious.

I like cities myself...Toronto and Montreal are very pleasant places to visit...I don't get it either...Montreal is exactly like visiting France, or nearly so...it's a cool thing

512 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:34:38pm

re: #504 WindUpBird

Why don't you like Germany and Canada? Just curious.

Because I'm an asshole. I have a perfunctory dislike for just about everything until given a good enough reason not to.

513 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:34:52pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

oh sure, don't get me wrong. I have fun playing along with him.

Saying he's equal opportunity is insane tho'.

514 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:35:05pm

re: #457 HappyWarrior

Well, I know I am never going to Singapore now. I am really absent-minded. But wow whacking someone for forgetting to flush a toilet.

Death penalty for any illicit drug offense, IIRC.

And that punk kid, his offense would normally have merited five whacks plus a thirteen year prison sentence. He got damn lucky.

The whacks? Administered with a stick of bamboo the thickness of an average adult forearm, swung by the strongest dude willing to swing it. Each whack splits your ass wide open, leaving you with large, purple scars for life. The pain is incredible, and the average person passes out on the first whack, the more stout pass out on the second whack. They make sure you are fully conscious for every whack, no matter how long it takes to rouse you.

At the time the punk kid was in the news, I had a friend who was a transplant from Singapore. He gave me the low-down on some of their laws.

515 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:35:42pm

re: #494 WindUpBird

I think the point is Canada and Britain set their standard in mere laws, where we ensconce the right of free speech in out Bill Of Rights. Hardly untouchable as shown by Miller, but at the same time great strength one can fall back upon, unless Wilson is President in wartime. Should have been impeached after the war. Him and his lap dog congress.

516 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:36:20pm

re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist

I am a liberal.

This news surprised someone?

Yep, same here.

517 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:36:42pm

re: #516 WindUpBird

Yep, same here.

no shit?

518 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:36:42pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

Albusteve can swing from being adorable to psychotic in a single thread, several times. I just roll with the punches.

and you are one of my favorites...my tolerance for name calling and unfounded belligerence has a limit...otherwise I get along with everybody...even you

519 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:36:59pm

re: #516 WindUpBird

Yep, same here.

Me three...90% liberal, apparently.

520 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:37:36pm

That was quick. My package of chicken livers, my portion of dinner, is bad. On the bright side the rest of the meal is being prepared by my wife so I get to sit back.

521 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:37:38pm

re: #516 WindUpBird

Yep, same here.

Me too!

522 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:37:49pm

re: #512 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because I'm an asshole. I have a perfunctory dislike for just about everything until given a good enough reason not to.

heh...I love an honest man

523 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:37:49pm

re: #519 darthstar

Me three...90% liberal, apparently.

/points and screams ala Donald Sutherland in Invasion of the Body Snatchers

524 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:38:00pm

re: #460 Dime IV

I already explained the evil and nefarious purpose of this site to you here. Your attempts to convert the Soros agents here to the dark side are futile...

/Sigh.

525 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:38:13pm

re: #512 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because I'm an asshole. I have a perfunctory dislike for just about everything until given a good enough reason not to.

As my mother says, how do you like something if you haven't tried it?

I agree with germany's vibe in so many ways. I like their cars (owned two) I like their beer (drank hundreds) I like their metal/industrial (countless greay german bands) when i went to Munich, it felt like home.

Canada, it depends where, but I love Vancouver. Great town.

526 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:39:11pm

re: #525 WindUpBird

BC is fine, but from what I've seen that's hardly the rest of Canada :p

527 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:39:51pm

I was center left. Not surprised about that at all. I always get negative 5 through 1 on that political compass test that has much more questions.

528 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:40:19pm

re: #517 brookly red

no shit?

Shocking, i know!

So! Have you responded to my comment on the Miller test? Are you as up in arms about the Miller test in America, as you are about Canada daring to ban hate speech? Because that's far more restrictive than canada's hate speech laws. hate speech is clearly defined. obscenity is not. The Miller test is mindblowingly subjective and arbitrary.

529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:41:11pm

Anybody here ever done "Handwriting Analysis"?

McVey's is very odd. The backwards slant, and preciseness is kind of spooky.

Y'all might've talked about this above, I didn't look.

530 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:41:13pm

re: #513 windsagio

oh sure, don't get me wrong. I have fun playing along with him.

Saying he's equal opportunity is insane tho'.

True.

531 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:41:19pm

Mwahaha! The Senate is going to "fix" the HCR Bill. That bunch hasn't fixed anything...ever.

532 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:41:23pm

re: #528 WindUpBird

Shocking, i know!

So! Have you responded to my comment on the Miller test? Are you as up in arms about the Miller test in America, as you are about Canada daring to ban hate speech? Because that's far more restrictive than canada's hate speech laws. hate speech is clearly defined. obscenity is not. The Miller test is mindblowingly subjective and arbitrary.

no, I haven't... it just didn't seem important to me. sorry.

533 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:41:48pm

just in case someone wants to know without clicking: "The Miller test is the United States Supreme Court's test for determining whether speech or expression can be labeled obscene, in which case it is not protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and can be prohibited."

There you go. america.

Are we going to have a real free speech discussion for really reals?

534 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:42:03pm

Germany is yeah great. I liked Munich more than I did Berlin because of the beer. Favorite country I've been to was Ireland even though ironically the climate isn't my favorite and I am not really that attracted to the Irish girl unless she's a Galway girl with hair black and eyes blue. Sorry heh Steve Earle song that's been in my mind since that study abroad trip.

535 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:42:21pm

re: #531 pingjockey

Mwahaha! The Senate is going to "fix" the HCR Bill. That bunch hasn't fixed anything...ever.

They don't have to do anything...just vote on it. The 'fix' was written by the house.

536 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:42:31pm

re: #525 WindUpBird

As my mother says, how do you like something if you haven't tried it?

My response would always be along the lines of "I've never jumped off a bridge before. Should I have to try that before I can say I don't like it"?

537 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:42:31pm

re: #526 windsagio

BC is fine, but from what I've seen that's hardly the rest of Canada :p

Neither is Montreal, it's sorta like America. There's places I'd rather not go, and there's places I definitely want to go.

538 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:42:36pm

re: #531 pingjockey

Mwahaha! The Senate is going to "fix" the HCR Bill. That bunch hasn't fixed anything...ever.


well that would imply it was broken...

539 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:42:47pm

re: #513 windsagio

oh sure, don't get me wrong. I have fun playing along with him.

Saying he's equal opportunity is insane tho'.

Really... Steve bashes all liberal equally... you must not be paying attention.

540 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:43:15pm

re: #525 WindUpBird

As my mother says, how do you like something if you haven't tried it?

I agree with germany's vibe in so many ways. I like their cars (owned two) I like their beer (drank hundreds) I like their metal/industrial (countless greay german bands) when i went to Munich, it felt like home.

Canada, it depends where, but I love Vancouver. Great town.

The only time I ever spent in Germany was a week attending an interfaith conference in the Rhineland. It was insane.

541 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:44:25pm

re: #535 darthstar
See, that's what I thought. But the talking heads said the Senate was going to fix their own bill, which didn't seem to make sense. As far as the House fixing the Bill, I don't know what they're going to fix. I thought it was going to the Prez as is?

542 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:44:32pm

re: #532 brookly red

no, I haven't... it just didn't seem important to me. sorry.


Of course not.

because you, brookly red, are faking your very important free speech concerns.

Your only concern was me being a meanie meanie liberal picking on poor poor sweet Ann Coulter. :)

543 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:44:41pm

re: #535 darthstar

They don't have to do anything...just vote on it. The 'fix' was written by the house.

This whole thing will be settled in the courts for better or worse.

544 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:44:48pm

re: #538 brookly red

well that would imply it was broken...

It's not broken, it just never finished getting reconciled between the house and Senate...too much waiting for Republican support. So Brown gets elected in the meantime, and they're stuck with the Senate bill. The reconciliation would/could have been part of the bill and it could have passed with sixty votes for cloture if the Democrats hadn't been so afraid of not getting Republican support...which, they now realize, wasn't very smart of them.

545 freetoken  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:44:53pm

re: #527 HappyWarrior

I always get negative 5 through 1 on that political compass test that has much more questions.


Hmmm... I end up in weird places like (1-sinθ)...

546 Kragar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:45:21pm

re: #525 WindUpBird

As my mother says, how do you like something if you haven't tried it?

I agree with germany's vibe in so many ways. I like their cars (owned two) I like their beer (drank hundreds) I like their metal/industrial (countless greay german bands) when i went to Munich, it felt like home.

Canada, it depends where, but I love Vancouver. Great town.

Ah, but here is where my assholeness kicks in, I actually go and try things precisely so I can bitch about it from experience later. I just havent gotten around to most of Germany and Canada yet, so I'll just stick with the default.

547 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:45:35pm

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

Really... Steve bashes all liberal equally... you must not be paying attention.

LOL

The "I am equal - I punch all hippies in the face the same number of times" test. I've heard of that... :)

548 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:45:39pm

This cannot be accurate... not in a million years... what a bunch of bullshit...

60% of media mentions about the President were positive over the past week while 40% were negative.

549 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:46:12pm

re: #541 pingjockey

See, that's what I thought. But the talking heads said the Senate was going to fix their own bill, which didn't seem to make sense. As far as the House fixing the Bill, I don't know what they're going to fix. I thought it was going to the Prez as is?

The 'fix' is what would have happened had the Democrats not lost their supermajority. They could have added these features to the bill and both houses could have passed it. But they didn't, and now the GOP has 41, and as we all know, 41 votes is a majority in the Senate. /

550 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:46:26pm

re: #543 brookly red

This whole thing will be settled in the courts for better or worse.

Conservatives' strong opposition to judicial activism notwithstanding.

551 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:46:29pm

re: #546 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, but here is where my assholeness kicks in, I actually go and try things precisely so I can bitch about it from experience later. I just havent gotten around to most of Germany and Canada yet, so I'll just stick with the default.

hahaha fair enough

552 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:46:37pm

re: #542 WindUpBird

Of course not.

because you, brookly red, are faking your very important free speech concerns.

Your only concern was me being a meanie meanie liberal picking on poor poor sweet Ann Coulter. :)

you are just upset because you voiced you objection to free speech and got called on it... it is all here for everyone to see.

553 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:46:45pm

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

Ok, you just utterly destroyed my argument, I yield!

554 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:47:02pm

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

This cannot be accurate... not in a million years... what a bunch of bullshit...

60% of media mentions about the President were positive over the past week while 40% were negative.

Rasmussen. They're notorious for having polls that help bolster the right.

555 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:47:12pm

re: #550 torrentprime

Conservatives' strong opposition to judicial activism notwithstanding.

I bet a guy $200 on another forum that the SCOTUS would NOT overturn the HCR mandate.

Predictably, he did not take me up on it. :D

556 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:47:43pm

re: #398 WindUpBird

So you believe Libel and slander should be legal? :D

I don't believe that was the intent of our 1st amendment but I don't have a problem with libel/slander. I think the U.S. has managed to find a decent compromise, better than the rest of most of the world, so I'm fairly content about it.

557 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:47:44pm

re: #483 Rightwingconspirator

Perspective upding.

558 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:47:57pm

re: #550 torrentprime

Conservatives' strong opposition to judicial activism notwithstanding.

true that... but the states are suing, make of it what you will.

559 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:48:00pm

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

Really... Steve bashes all liberal equally... you must not be paying attention.

Shit, he even bashes conservatives. Mostly over personal tastes in music...

560 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:48:04pm

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

This cannot be accurate... not in a million years... what a bunch of bullshit...

60% of media mentions about the President were positive over the past week while 40% were negative.

Why not? Have you been counting?

561 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:48:14pm

Later folks, dinner time

562 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:48:24pm

After I dropped the power drill on my toe this morning the pain got worse and worse until I went for an X ray.

Nothing is broken but my arthritis is really swollen and aggravated, and I got a cortisone shot and some powerful painkillers.

I will have to finish my house cleaning on hands and knees.

Once the pain in my foot goes down enough to drive, I am so swiping Zedushka's handicap parking tag.

563 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:48:36pm

re: #552 brookly red

WUB is Neo, but you're no Agent Smith. Its actually kind of hard to watch :(

564 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:48:50pm

re: #541 pingjockey

See, that's what I thought. But the talking heads said the Senate was going to fix their own bill, which didn't seem to make sense. As far as the House fixing the Bill, I don't know what they're going to fix. I thought it was going to the Prez as is?

Well, you're right.
Let's not forget - the Senate can pass the reconciliation package perfectly, which they promised to do, or they could tweak it somewhat and pass that newer version. Then that reconciliation package would have to go back to the House for another vote. It is possible, but it will violate the agreement the House relied on to give us last night's awesomeness.

565 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:49:15pm

re: #552 brookly red

you are just upset because you voiced you objection to free speech and got called on it... it is all here for everyone to see.

See, that's actually a lie, dude. You're a liar, and an idiot. I merely support the soverign right of canada to determine their own free speech laws, and dump people in jail when they incite violent hatred.


So, Dark Falcon, if you wonder why I clal this guy a concern troll, if you wonder why i think he's not worthy of my respect? It's right here...for everyone to see!

566 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:49:24pm

re: #552 brookly red

you are just upset because you voiced you objection to free speech and got called on it... it is all here for everyone to see.

As far as I can tell, he just voiced his objection to Ann Coulter.

567 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:49:43pm

re: #563 windsagio

WUB is Neo, but you're no Agent Smith. Its actually kind of hard to watch :(

I am sorry I know not of this... I don't do the TV thing.

568 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:50:04pm

re: #563 windsagio

WUB is Neo, but you're no Agent Smith. Its actually kind of hard to watch :(

he's one of those 100 agent smiths who gets tossed into the basketball hoop in the second film :D

569 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:50:21pm

re: #559 Slumbering Behemoth

Shit, he even bashes conservatives. Mostly over personal tastes in music...

I get fired up about music...

570 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:50:28pm

re: #562 Alouette

After I dropped the power drill on my toe this morning the pain got worse and worse until I went for an X ray.

Nothing is broken but my arthritis is really swollen and aggravated, and I got a cortisone shot and some powerful painkillers.

I will have to finish my house cleaning on hands and knees.

Once the pain in my foot goes down enough to drive, I am so swiping Zedushka's handicap parking tag.

Crud! Take good care of yourself, and remember, schmutz is not chametz.

571 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:50:34pm

re: #290 RogueOne

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

The just lost a long fight. I don't think it's ironic that they're feeling defeated. There was a lot of emotional energy put into this on both sides. Do you two think it's ironic that Nancy Pelosi is relieved?

She certainly relieved herself on the US Constitution!

572 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:50:58pm

re: #571 Taqyia2Me

She certainly relieved herself on the US Constitution!

How so?

573 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:50:59pm

re: #562 Alouette

I will have to finish my house cleaning on hands and knees.

Are you nuts!?!? Let it go for a day or two, silly.

574 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:51:11pm

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don't like that test much myself either but I was 80% on Personal and 40% on economic making me a Liberal.


Mine was a shocker:


Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 60%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...LIBERTARIAN

Bite it olsonist//

575 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:51:14pm

re: #566 SanFranciscoZionist

As far as I can tell, he just voiced his objection to Ann Coulter.

and hoped she got " busted for shooting off her mouth". read the original quote & then defend it.

576 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:51:36pm

I haven't actually read the entire thread, and I apologise if it has already been said, but the poem Invictus was also the one which kept Nelson Mandela in one piece mentally in his tiny cell in Robben Island.

Of course, I somehow doubt that the MM poster is aware of this, and would assume that it is posted with Timothy Mcveigh in mind.
Funny how one poem can mean so much to so fundamentally different people.

577 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:51:38pm

re: #566 SanFranciscoZionist

As far as I can tell, he just voiced his objection to Ann Coulter.

And my petty glee at the notion that she be arrested for violating the laws of Canada! it's petty! Call me petty. I'm Richard petty.

But if you want to argue with an artist about free speech...better get your gear :D

578 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:51:43pm

re: #569 albusteve

I never really forgave the Stones for screwing over the Verve for no good reason.

579 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:52:12pm

re: #560 SanFranciscoZionist

Why not? Have you been counting?

Because it's a Rasmussen poll... I have NEVER seen any liberal here give any credit, not ONCE, to a Rasmussen poll... gonna start now?

580 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:52:19pm

re: #577 WindUpBird

See if I wanted to make you look bad, I would have been a scold on schadenfreude >>

581 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:52:19pm

re: #571 Taqyia2Me

She certainly relieved herself on the US Constitution!

hahahaha the Nancy haterade, it just never ends!

582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:52:20pm

re: #576 HAL2010

Well played, Hal.

583 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:52:22pm

re: #573 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Are you nuts!?!? Let it go for a day or two, silly.

WE'RE LEAVING EGYPT IMMINENTLY, SILLY MAN!!!

//

584 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:52:36pm

re: #580 windsagio

See if I wanted to make you look bad, I would have been a scold on schadenfreude >>

I love the term "scold" :D

585 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:52:56pm

re: #575 brookly red

and hoped she got " busted for shooting off her mouth". read the original quote & then defend it.

I read the original quote.

586 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:53:02pm

re: #571 Taqyia2Me

She certainly relieved herself on the US Constitution!

it will all come out in the wash...

587 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:53:16pm

re: #578 windsagio

I never really forgave the Stones for screwing over the Verve for no good reason.

Yeah, seriously. They were really pigs to them.

588 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:53:28pm

Highly recommended viewing: Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution
I love Hulu because the commercial breaks are so short but it's also showing on ABC on Friday evenings. It's an American version of his UK program "School Dinners" and should be of special interest to the parents out there who should be concerned about what their children are eating at school. Even if you aren't into healthy eating it's very entertaining television and Jamie is a likable and sincere food advocate. Give it a try.

589 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:53:48pm

re: #569 albusteve

I get fired up about music...

[Video]

Me too, but I tend to like just about every kind of music there is. Even mariachi music preformed by punk bands.

590 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:54:05pm

re: #582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks.
I'll come clean and admit I learnt it from the film Invictus with Morgan Freeman. My more arty friends would be appalled by the admission.
Who says Hollywood doesn't teach us anything!

591 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:54:07pm

re: #585 SanFranciscoZionist

I read the original quote.

"gets arrested in Canada for running her worthless mouth off"


does that sound like an endorsement of free speech to you?

592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:54:13pm

BTW, I have a bunch of conservative friends. You should SEE my facebook posts today.

593 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:54:19pm

re: #579 Walter L. Newton

Because it's a Rasmussen poll... I have NEVER seen any liberal here give any credit, not ONCE, to a Rasmussen poll... gonna start now?

Obviously, I cannot break with tradition.

594 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:55:07pm

re: #593 SanFranciscoZionist

Obviously, I cannot break with tradition.

Good :)

595 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:55:19pm

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, I have a bunch of conservative friends. You should SEE my facebook posts today.

/ heh! real conservatives don't do facebook!

596 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:55:37pm

re: #591 brookly red

"gets arrested in Canada for running her worthless mouth off"

does that sound like an endorsement of free speech to you?

Under Canadian law, which Ann must follow if there, she would have to tone her BS down, or run afoul of sovereign Canadian law.

597 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:55:38pm

re: #588 Killgore Trout

Here's a brief 2 minute introduction: 5 things you need to know

598 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:55:44pm

re: #593 SanFranciscoZionist

Obviously, I cannot break with tradition.

Staunch Burkean then eh? ;)

599 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:56:24pm

re: #575 brookly red

and hoped she got " busted for shooting off her mouth". read the original quote & then defend it.

yes. I wanted her to spend a night in jail for inciting vicious violent hatred (which she has done many times here) against a minority class on a college campus.

I repeat: I hope she gets busted for that. I actually hope she spends a night in jail, on a cold hard bench, trying to sleep as drunken stoners bitch loudly about the quality of Canadian skunk, occasionally pausing to vomit on the jail floor. And I hope everyone makes fun of her mug shot. :D

Read it, son! Read it long and hard.

600 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:56:57pm

re: #524 ausador

Two comments in one day that survive against all odds. Wow, the monitors are all about forbearance today.

601 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:57:01pm

re: #591 brookly red

"gets arrested in Canada for running her worthless mouth off"

does that sound like an endorsement of free speech to you?

You're like in the ground, you're hitting sewer pipes you've dug yourself in so deep.

Want another shovel?

602 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:57:08pm

re: #596 Varek Raith

Under Canadian law, which Ann must follow if there, she would have to tone her BS down, or run afoul of sovereign Canadian law.

true... dose that sound like free speech to you?

603 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:57:17pm

re: #591 brookly red

"gets arrested in Canada for running her worthless mouth off"


does that sound like an endorsement of free speech to you?

I've told you what I think of this. I would also be amused to see Ms. Coulter run afoul of Canadian hate speech laws. Because I think she's just that horrible.

That has nothing to do with my endorsement of free speech in a country where I actually vote and have a vested interest in the law and the traduition behind it. It doesn't even mean I approve of Canada's speech laws.

604 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:57:32pm

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, I have a bunch of conservative friends. You should SEE my facebook posts today.

I've been splitting my time between posting a bit here and FULL BATTLE MODE on Facebook status threads. Someone started by attacking how the Democrats used the 'unconstitutional deem and pass" rule; I pointed out her talking points were a few days behind.

605 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:57:34pm

Well, the possibility that your neighbor down the road might get some kind of coverage for her child's early-onset diabetes sometime in 2013 obviously requires going on a war footing. What are we mocking these patriots for?

606 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:57:37pm

re: #596 Varek Raith

Under Canadian law, which Ann must follow if there, she would have to tone her BS down, or run afoul of sovereign Canadian law.

You can repeat that to him until your fingerprints rub off, he won't get it ;-)

607 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:58:13pm

re: #602 brookly red

true... dose that sound like free speech to you?

It's irrelevant what I think of it, it's their law.

608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:58:17pm
I pledge not to vote for any candidates that supported socialized healthcare.
XXXXX just made his/her voice heard with 1-click on Facebook. Obama, Reid and Pelosi used bribes, threats and every other trick in the book to force government run healthcare on the people. We must take America back in November.
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There's a "NOBAMA" picture too.

609 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:58:35pm

re: #605 Cato the Elder

Well, the possibility that your neighbor down the road might get some kind of coverage for her child's early-onset diabetes sometime in 2013 obviously requires going on a war footing. What are we mocking these patriots for?

So along with the shortage on ammo, will there be a shortage of tri-corner hats?

610 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:58:44pm

I don't get political on facebook unless it's prompted. I mean yeah I was happy I was able to see Obama speak on Friday but shit I would have been excited seeing Nixon or some other president that I don't find as likable as Obama. When you get the chance to see someone who is part of such a select few group as the U.S Presidency is you get excited but that's probably the history major in me talking.

611 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:59:06pm

re: #605 Cato the Elder

Well, the possibility that your neighbor down the road might get some kind of coverage for her child's early-onset diabetes sometime in 2013 obviously requires going on a war footing. What are we mocking these patriots for?

READ THE BILL, TEH SEKKRIT COMMIE TAKEOVER IS ON PAGE 682!

(Maybe, I'm not sure, I haven't read it - obviously. But I read it somewhere that its true. I think. Or did I dream it...?)

612 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:59:33pm

re: #609 WindUpBird

So along with the shortage on ammo, will there be a shortage of tri-corner hats?


They Will Know We Are Americans By Our Fake White Hair

613 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:59:37pm

re: #609 WindUpBird

So along with the shortage on ammo, will there be a shortage of tri-corner hats?

Dammit, mother said I should go into the tri-corner hat business but, nooo~

614 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:59:43pm

re: #599 WindUpBird

yes. I wanted her to spend a night in jail for inciting vicious violent hatred (which she has done many times here) against a minority class on a college campus.

I repeat: I hope she gets busted for that. I actually hope she spends a night in jail, on a cold hard bench, trying to sleep as drunken stoners bitch loudly about the quality of Canadian skunk, occasionally pausing to vomit on the jail floor. And I hope everyone makes fun of her mug shot. :D

Read it, son! Read it long and hard.

yes you have made it quite clear that you would use the power of the state to silence anyone you do not agree with... I do understand where you come from, I just reject it on principle.

615 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:59:47pm

re: #602 brookly red

true... dose that sound like free speech to you?

And still

And yet...

AND YET...

Not a peep from you on the Miller test, which restricts speech in America far more.

Weak sauce, man! Like ketchup and water.

616 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:00:04pm

re: #597 Killgore Trout

Say, you know a fair bit about Indian culture, correct? Is it true that cooking is considered to be "women's work", not to be done by any self respecting male?

617 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:00:40pm

Anyone seen any reaction from The Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich yet?

Can't wait to see it!

618 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:00:48pm

Did LA Jewish Journal get hacked? I keep getting a malware warning if I try to access their site.

619 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:00:52pm

re: #612 SanFranciscoZionist

They Will Know We Are Americans By Our Fake White Hair

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sue me if I go too fast
But the sons of his opponents
Wished that he was their dad
Got a wig for his wig
Got a brain for his heart
He'll kick you apart
He'll kick you apart

620 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:01:11pm

Hi!! What have I missed? (no need to answer, but hell, I'm not sure I want to search for the latest Coulter blast)

621 recusancy  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:01:17pm

re: #617 HAL2010

Anyone seen any reaction from The Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich yet?

Can't wait to see it!

Is that the Silver Gopher?

622 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:01:42pm

re: #614 brookly red

yes you have made it quite clear that you would use the power of the state to silence anyone you do not agree with... I do understand where you come from, I just reject it on principle.

hahaha what are you even talking about, wackypants

Still waiting for your hypocrite faker principles to stand up to my questions :D

623 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:01:45pm

re: #614 brookly red

yes you have made it quite clear that you would use the power of the state to silence anyone you do not agree with... I do understand where you come from, I just reject it on principle.

You're doing everything you can to force that meaning on what he said, but I just ain't buying it.

624 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:01:47pm

re: #615 WindUpBird

And still

And yet...

AND YET...

Not a peep from you on the Miller test, which restricts speech in America far more.

Weak sauce, man! Like ketchup and water.

I don't do tests, your or millers. you have made your self clear & I want no part of it.

625 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:02:05pm

re: #618 Alouette

Did LA Jewish Journal get hacked? I keep getting a malware warning if I try to access their site.

Interesting...

626 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:03:03pm

re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth

Say, you know a fair bit about Indian culture, correct? Is it true that cooking is considered to be "women's work", not to be done by any self respecting male?

In general that's probably true. Much like our own culture the there's an exception for professional male chefs but domestically it's mostly considered woman's work. If the family is wealthy they'll most likely have a hired cook since labor is so cheap over there.

627 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:03:05pm

re: #620 Stanley Sea

Hi!! What have I missed? (no need to answer, but hell, I'm not sure I want to search for the latest Coulter blast)

it wasn't a Coulter blast, it was a Canadian blast TO coulter. Telling her, "you say your crazy hate speech in Canada and face the comnsequences".

And brookly red is all whingey because I approved. Which means I am a STATIST AND OH NOES MARX

628 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:03:08pm

re: #618 Alouette

Did LA Jewish Journal get hacked? I keep getting a malware warning if I try to access their site.

I am using an up to date version of McFee and I get this message when I click on your link:

Reported Attack Page!
This web page at [Link: www.jewishjournal.com...] has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.

Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.

On the "why this message came up" I get this message:

What is the current listing status for jewishjournal.com?

Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this website may harm your computer.

Part of this site was listed for suspicious activity 2 time(s) over the past 90 days.

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 372 pages that we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 11 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time that Google visited this site was on 2010-03-22, and the last time that suspicious content was found on this site was on 2010-03-22.

This site was hosted on 3 network(s) including AS36444 (NEXCESS), AS15133 (EDGECAST), AS15169 (Google Internet Backbone).

Has this site acted as an intermediary resulting in further distribution of malware?

Over the past 90 days, jewishjournal.com did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites.

Has this site hosted malware?

No, this site has not hosted malicious software over the past 90 days.

How did this happen?

In some cases, third parties can add malicious code to legitimate sites, which would cause us to show the warning message.

629 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:03:42pm

OK, I have to go deal with errands.

630 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:03:43pm

re: #624 brookly red

I don't do tests, your or millers. you have made your self clear & I want no part of it.

It's the Supreme Court test for obscenity, fool.

631 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:03:52pm

re: #621 recusancy

Is that the Silver Gopher?

It .. could be?

Who is the silver gopher?

Sounds like the arch-nemesis of a Disney character.

632 recusancy  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:04:03pm

re: #631 HAL2010

It .. could be?

Who is the silver gopher?

Sounds like the arch-nemesis of a Disney character.

Beck

633 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:04:46pm

re: #626 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I wasn't sure if that was true, or if my friend down at the liquor store was having a go at me 'cuz I was bragging on my skills.

634 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:04:47pm

re: #627 WindUpBird

it wasn't a Coulter blast, it was a Canadian blast TO coulter. Telling her, "you say your crazy hate speech in Canada and face the comnsequences".

And brookly red is all whingey because I approved. Which means I am a STATIST AND OH NOES MARX

Reminds me of the article Frum wrote yesterday. The paid right wing nutosphere is jumping for joy, because anger means more ratings.

And screw Coulter - why Canada and not Berkeley?

635 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:04:57pm

re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I have to go deal with errands.

Take care of them real good now, bye!

636 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:05:12pm

re: #589 Slumbering Behemoth

Me too, but I tend to like just about every kind of music there is. Even mariachi music preformed by punk bands.
[Video]

That was lovely! Thanks!

637 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:05:14pm

re: #632 recusancy

The same

638 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:06:02pm

re: #630 WindUpBird

It's the Supreme Court test for obscenity, fool.

your are becoming unhinged... it's starts with the name calling, but come on you need to chill. do you have any idea how casual observers see this/

639 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:07:26pm

re: #587 WindUpBird

Yeah, seriously. They were really pigs to them.

Was it the Stones, or Ron Klein?

640 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:07:42pm

re: #627 WindUpBird

Which means I am a STATIST AND OH NOES MARX

I don't know the exact minute that teabagger scripts became equal to LOL speak, but I ask for blessings on that moment, every day.

641 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:08:05pm

re: #634 Stanley Sea

Reminds me of the article Frum wrote yesterday. The paid right wing nutosphere is jumping for joy, because anger means more ratings.

And screw Coulter - why Canada and not Berkeley?

She's going to canada to speak at a university. so an official at the school warned her against employing her more nutbaggey hate rhetoric because it's illegal.

642 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:08:24pm

re: #638 brookly red

That you really, really want a comment to mean something it doesn't, and refuse to answer questions on it?

643 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:08:51pm

re: #633 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks. I wasn't sure if that was true, or if my friend down at the liquor store was having a go at me 'cuz I was bragging on my skills.

There also might be a caste element there too. Cooks are considered servant class people.

644 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:09:25pm

re: #636 wrenchwench

That was lovely! Thanks!

Pretty awesome, innit? That's L.A. punk band "The Bronx".

As the story goes, they were asked By some music video show to come on and do an "unplugged" set. The band considered the idea of doing punk tunes "unplugged" to be pretty stupid, so they did it mariachi style. They had so much fun with it, they decided to record a mariachi album.

645 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:10:02pm
646 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:10:20pm

re: #638 brookly red

your are becoming unhinged... it's starts with the name calling, but come on you need to chill. do you have any idea how casual observers see this/

Yeah, I'm becoming unhinged with all my "facts" and "consistency". I know such things are very difficult for you to accept. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you just repeat the same old same old drivel, and you don't even seem to understand the points I'm bringing up about American free speech laws and their restrictions. or you're willfully ignoring them.

So... which is it? Hypocrisy? or ignorance?

647 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:10:26pm

re: #645 darthstar

No text necessary... :)

648 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:10:47pm

re: #642 torrentprime

That you really, really want a comment to mean something it doesn't, and refuse to answer questions on it?

yep yep yep yep yep!

649 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:10:57pm

re: #642 torrentprime

That you really, really want a comment to mean something it doesn't, and refuse to answer questions on it?

no I have said enough already, you either support free speech or you don't there is no in-between, there is no grey area, there is no nuance... it is what it is.

650 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:11:55pm

re: #646 WindUpBird

Yeah, I'm becoming unhinged with all my "facts" and "consistency". I know such things are very difficult for you to accept. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you just repeat the same old same old drivel, and you don't even seem to understand the points I'm bringing up about American free speech laws and their restrictions. or you're willfully ignoring them.

So... which is it? Hypocrisy? or ignorance?

soon you Queen will come and reward you for sure...

651 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:12:46pm

re: #649 brookly red

no I have said enough already, you either support free speech or you don't there is no in-between, there is no grey area, there is no nuance... it is what it is.

You are such a fool.

No grey area for fraud?

No grey area for inciting a riot?

no grey area for slander?

no grey area for campaign finance laws?

No grey area for commercial speech, false advertising?


Observe! Marvel as brooky red ignores my points once again!

652 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:12:47pm

re: #649 brookly red

no I have said enough already, you either support free speech or you don't there is no in-between, there is no grey area, there is no nuance... it is what it is.

Well, since we all support free speech, there isn't a conflict, is there?

Unless you mean some sniggering when an American knowingly walks into a part of the world that doesn't think like we do and gets in trouble for it somehow means we don't support it.

653 HAL2010  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:12:56pm

Oh, just noticed that Goodfellas started on TV.

Might see you in a few hours, til then - tara!

654 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:13:56pm

re: #650 brookly red

soon you Queen will come and reward you for sure...

Oh, they already did:

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

655 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:14:31pm

re: #653 HAL2010

Oh, just noticed that Goodfellas started on TV.

Might see you in a few hours, til then - tara!


Heh I can't imagine watching htat movie censored but it's one of my all time favorites.

656 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:14:33pm

re: #649 brookly red

I don't support corporal punishment for misdemeanor vandalism, but I did not lose a moments sleep, nor feel even a twinge of sympathy for that punk kid from America who got his whacks in Singapore.

When in Rome...

657 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:14:47pm

re: #646 WindUpBird

Yeah, I'm becoming unhinged with all my "facts" and "consistency". I know such things are very difficult for you to accept. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you just repeat the same old same old drivel, and you don't even seem to understand the points I'm bringing up about American free speech laws and their restrictions. or you're willfully ignoring them.

So... which is it? Hypocrisy? or ignorance?

no I am willingly ignoring you... I do support your right to say what you wish, I just have well I am sorry, but better things to do than listen... but please go on, it is your right.

658 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:15:10pm

re: #649 brookly red

no I have said enough already, you either support free speech or you don't there is no in-between, there is no grey area, there is no nuance... it is what it is.

So, to hell with the laws of Canada?

659 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:15:11pm

re: #531 pingjockey

Mwahaha! The Senate is going to "fix" the HCR Bill. That bunch hasn't fixed anything...ever.

They are going to vote on whether or not to approve the changes that were made to the Senate version of the bill by the House of Representitives.

Timeline for you:

1. The House passed a HCR bill.

2. The Senate passed their own HCR bill that was somewhat different.

3. The House has now passed the Senates version, making it law once it is signed by the President.

4. The House also passed a completely seperate bill that amends the Senate version a little to "fix it." (make it more like the original House version that was passed)

5. Some of the Democrats in the Senate promised to pass the House "fix" amendment of the bill once the Senate version was already made law.

6. The House amendment may pass the Senate or they may give it up as a "bad job" and blow off their promises to the Congressmen of the House now that they have already voted yes on the Senate version. Either way it does not effect the fact that the President will be signing the Senate version into law tomorrow.


It isn't as if Congress will not be endlessly playing with this bill now that it is passed. They will amend it, add, subtract, put in sweetheart deals for local companies, and pretty much endlessly fiddle and tweak it. Who knows? They may even make it work halfway decently given time, the way it stands now it is kinda pointless because every single measure that was designed to reduce healthcare costs was removed.

We are still faced with massive and rapidly growing deficit spending on Medicaid and Medicare, that is what we really have to fix. This year Medicaid, Medicare, and Unemployment programs are costing us 938 Billion dollars more than we are taking in on the taxes that pay for them.

660 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:15:17pm

re: #652 torrentprime

Well, since we all support free speech, there isn't a conflict, is there?

Unless you mean some sniggering when an American knowingly walks into a part of the world that doesn't think like we do and gets in trouble for it somehow means we don't support it.

This would all make a lot more sense if it turns out red has the full library of Coulter books on his shelves. ;-)

I don't think he does, I think he's just a silly tribalist who doesn't like liberals picking on conservatives, even when the conservative in question is a bigoted agitator.

661 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:16:12pm

re: #656 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't support corporal punishment for misdemeanor vandalism, but I did not lose a moments sleep, nor feel even a twinge of sympathy for that punk kid from America who got his whacks in Singapore.

When in Rome...

And when I was in Switzerland, i stayed the fuck away from anything even resembling an illegal drug.

I literally saw Swiss cops with assault rifles come and take away a french guy on the train, who was toking up.

662 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:16:29pm

re: #656 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't support corporal punishment for misdemeanor vandalism, but I did not lose a moments sleep, nor feel even a twinge of sympathy for that punk kid from America who got his whacks in Singapore.

When in Rome...

dis is Brooklyn, we do corporal punishment, but it's invisible... no one sees nothing.

663 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:17:27pm

re: #644 Slumbering Behemoth

This song is not as appealing, but I love the video:

664 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:18:05pm

re: #658 Varek Raith

So, to hell with the laws of Canada?

they are what they are same as the laws in Saudi Arabia... I just choose not to go there.

665 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:18:46pm

Just repeating, in case brookly has a change of heart:

No grey area for fraud?

No grey area for inciting a riot?

no grey area for slander?

no grey area for campaign finance laws?

No grey area for commercial speech, false advertising?

666 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:19:30pm

re: #664 brookly red

they are what they are same as the laws in Saudi Arabia... I just choose not to go there.

That's fine. However, Coulter would be bound by such law if she speaks there. WUB doesn't, to my knowledge, support such laws in the US.
;)

667 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:19:31pm

re: #664 brookly red

they are what they are same as the laws in Saudi Arabia... I just choose not to go there.

You're comparing Canada's free speech laws to Saudi Arabia's.

Is this like an honorary Godwin's Law thing happening here?

668 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:19:40pm

re: #657 brookly red

You don't seem to really have this 'ignoring someone' thing down very well, dude.

First of all, it involves ignoring them.

669 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:19:46pm

re: #661 WindUpBird

Heh, I really enjoyed Amsterdam. They had ashtrays under their no smoking signs, and every time I was in violation of that small infraction, the cops would politely wait until I finished my cig, and then come over to me and say "Next time..."

670 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:20:01pm

re: #666 Varek Raith

That's fine. However, Coulter would be bound by such law if she speaks there. WUB doesn't, to my knowledge, support such laws in the US.
;)

I don't support them here, correct! I also don't support the Miller test, which concerns me more.

671 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:20:37pm

re: #641 WindUpBird

She's going to canada to speak at a university. so an official at the school warned her against employing her more nutbaggey hate rhetoric because it's illegal.

If it were a college in the U.S., the campus leftists would try to shout her down. In Canada, they have the law on their side. And fine, it's their country, their rules. But freedom of speech is also for, nay, especially for unpopular speech. Else it's just a platitude.

672 palomino  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:20:39pm

If the bill causes the parade of horribles that Repubs are blathering on about, then the solution is pretty easy: take back Congress and the WH in 2010 and 2012, and then repeal the legislation.

But I suppose most Repubs realize that such a move won't be very popular 3-4 years from now, once people have gotten used to the non-controversial changes the bill makes.

673 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:20:46pm

re: #669 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, I really enjoyed Amsterdam. They had ashtrays under their no smoking signs, and every time I was in violation of that small infraction, the cops would politely wait until I finished my cig, and then come over to me and say "Next time..."

hahahaha

Amsterdam moved a little fast for me, and had too many douchey British tourists, but it was fun! Belgium was my favorite. Bruges was amazing. AMAZING

674 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:20:56pm

re: #670 WindUpBird

I don't support them here, correct! I also don't support the Miller test, which concerns me more.

That's what I thought and I agree.
:)

675 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:21:38pm

re: #668 Obdicut

You don't seem to really have this 'ignoring someone' thing down very well, dude.

First of all, it involves ignoring them.

your right it does... my bad.

676 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:22:07pm

re: #670 WindUpBird

I don't support them here, correct! I also don't support the Miller test, which concerns me more.

As the judge remarked the day
that he acquitted my
Aunt Hortence:

"To be smut
it must be ut
-terly without redeeming
Social importance"

677 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:22:09pm

re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth

Say, you know a fair bit about Indian culture, correct? Is it true that cooking is considered to be "women's work", not to be done by any self respecting male?

men pillage and scalp...women do what they are told...pretty simple

678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:22:15pm

re: #665 WindUpBird

I was about to get snarky for a minute about you misspelling grey, but you're right...

IF YOU'RE BRITISH!

Grey became the established British spelling in the 20th century, pace Dr. Johnson and others, and it is but a minor variant in American English, according to dictionaries. Canadians tend to prefer grey. The non-cognate greyhound was never grayhound. Both Grey and Gray are found in proper names everywhere in the English-speaking world. Americans tend to use "gray" in reference to the color and "grey" as the adjective.

Was a fun little exercise though. Murikans spell it with an A!

/

679 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:22:24pm

re: #649 brookly red

no I have said enough already, you either support free speech or you don't there is no in-between, there is no grey area, there is no nuance... it is what it is.

Really? Really!!

So, incitement to riot is OK. Incitement to murder is OK. Incitement to Jihad is OK.

Got it.

680 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:22:38pm

re: #671 The Sanity Inspector

If it were a college in the U.S., the campus leftists would try to shout her down. In Canada, they have the law on their side. And fine, it's their country, their rules. But freedom of speech is also for, nay, especially for unpopular speech. Else it's just a platitude.

I actually don't agree with people stacking her events to scream her off the stage. If she's speaking at a university, let her speak. Protest, wave signs, whatever.

Though if a private university hosts her and she goes bonkers, calls someone a fag or whatever, and they cut the mic? Too bad, so sad :D

681 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:23:00pm

re: #663 wrenchwench

One of the chief benefits I've derived from growing up in and mostly living in diverse environments is an appreciation for many different styles of music.

I'd feel like some kind of prisoner if I limited my tastes to only one genre.

682 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:23:44pm

re: #679 austin_blue

Really? Really!!

So, incitement to riot is OK. Incitement to murder is OK. Incitement to Jihad is OK.

Got it.

is that what Coulter was doing up there?....shame on her

683 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:24:25pm

re: #681 Slumbering Behemoth

One of the chief benefits I've derived from growing up in and mostly living in diverse environments is an appreciation for many different styles of music.

I'd feel like some kind of prisoner if I limited my tastes to only one genre.

Here in texas, we've got much the same:

Country
Western
Texas Swing.
Tejano

All of which is fine to drink by.

684 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:24:30pm

re: #668 Obdicut

You don't seem to really have this 'ignoring someone' thing down very well, dude.

First of all, it involves ignoring them.

He's ignoring my points, certainly! But yeah, I'm through, I think I've made my case for why I'm not a nazi for giggling about Coulter being picked up by the fiveoh.

685 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:24:33pm

re: #677 albusteve

Wrong kind of Indians, bro. I meant the people of India.

686 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:24:34pm

re: #679 austin_blue

Really? Really!!

So, incitement to riot is OK. Incitement to murder is OK. Incitement to Jihad is OK.

Got it.

no that is against our laws... same as yelling fire in a theater. Next.

687 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:24:44pm

re: #681 Slumbering Behemoth

One of the chief benefits I've derived from growing up in and mostly living in diverse environments is an appreciation for many different styles of music.

I'd feel like some kind of prisoner if I limited my tastes to only one genre.

gospel is another favorite of mine...another form of roots music

688 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:25:27pm

re: #661 WindUpBird

And when I was in Switzerland, i stayed the fuck away from anything even resembling an illegal drug.

I literally saw Swiss cops with assault rifles come and take away a french guy on the train, who was toking up.

LOL
Speaking of Canada..you brought it up..
I spend a week in Montreal a few years ago..
So the girls in the office cornered me my first day
* So did you notice yet Hoopster?*
Notice what?
Something about Montreal?
..no.. maybe..What?
The most beautiful girls in the World live in Montreal..
Really?
Shop on Saint Cathrine Street tonight and get back with us Hoopster...
Next day
Whoa! you aren't kidding girls!
Say it..
Most beautiful women in the world!
See that wasn't too bad was it?
No...That was easy..
Now..I have all kinds of shirts and sweaters and Hats from Montreal in the closet.. I shopped alot...

689 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:25:49pm

re: #685 Slumbering Behemoth

Wrong kind of Indians, bro. I meant the people of India.

oh....I'm not following too good...I'm working on my guitar, in between scalping whites

690 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:26:11pm

re: #682 albusteve

is that what Coulter was doing up there?...shame on her

That's what she does HERE.

"Kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity". "Canada is lucky we allow them to exist."

And thus, canada warns her about not pulling that THERE.

691 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:26:28pm

re: #689 albusteve

oh...I'm not following too good...I'm working on my guitar, in between scalping whites


Neat, gonna post pics when you're done?

692 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:26:33pm

re: #683 Guanxi88

I like just about everything, from hard-core speed metal to smooth jazz.

693 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:27:08pm

re: #690 WindUpBird

That's what she does HERE.

"Kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity". "Canada is lucky we allow them to exist."

And thus, canada warns her about not pulling that THERE.

and you are OK with that. We get it...

694 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:27:19pm

re: #682 albusteve

is that what Coulter was doing up there?...shame on her

(looks under computer)

Did I say that, Steve? No. I was merely asking brookly to agree with his own statement.

Nice try, though.

695 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:27:29pm

re: #692 Slumbering Behemoth

I like just about everything, from hard-core speed metal to smooth jazz.

I'm broadly tolerant of just about anything, musically, although I'm not a big fan of skate-punk, but that's just a personal hang-up.

696 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:27:47pm

re: #693 brookly red

Brookly, are you okay with the existence of other countries at all?

697 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:27:59pm

re: #690 WindUpBird

"Canada is lucky we allow them to exist."

She said that? That's no way to talk about an ally, IMO.

698 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:28:00pm

Interesting.

The Chamber of Commerce, a key anti-Reform player and spender, is telling the GOP they can count them out on any campaign for repeal.

Chamber won't help GOP

699 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:28:03pm

re: #692 Slumbering Behemoth

I like just about everything, from hard-core speed metal to smooth jazz.

I like harmonica bands.

700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:28:07pm

OT...

Song she sang to me;
Song she brang to me;
Words that rang in me;
Rhymes that sprang from me...

Brang? What the deuce?

701 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:28:52pm

re: #695 Guanxi88

I'm broadly tolerant of just about anything, musically, although I'm not a big fan of skate-punk, but that's just a personal hang-up.

Country and Disco cause me to SMASH STUFF!11!11
:)

702 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:29:03pm

re: #690 WindUpBird

That's what she does HERE.

"Kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity". "Canada is lucky we allow them to exist."

And thus, canada warns her about not pulling that THERE.

you, like many others, take the talking heads too seriously...they blather, incite etc...so what?...they can say whatever they want, nearly...you or I can't stop them...it's their living $$$

703 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:29:08pm

re: #692 Slumbering Behemoth

I like just about everything, from hard-core speed metal to smooth jazz.

I found that Louis Armstrong death metal video deeply disturbing. I even had a flashback when the original was on the radio today.

704 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:29:17pm

re: #694 austin_blue

(looks under computer)

Did I say that, Steve? No. I was merely asking brookly to agree with his own statement.

Nice try, though.

here is my take, yes Canadian laws are different then our laws, and I am proud to be an American. That is all.

705 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:29:26pm

re: #693 brookly red

What bothers me more is that the horrible illegal limitations on free speech we have here seem totally okay to you!

My first amendment rights are so violated by my inability to lie to the police or say my turpentine elixir cures cancer :(

706 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:29:27pm

re: #700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT...

Song she sang to me;
Song she brang to me;
Words that rang in me;
Rhymes that sprang from me...

Brang? What the deuce?

Try...

Song she sang to me;
Song she twanged to me;
Words that rang in me;
Rhymes that sprang from me...

707 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:29:33pm

re: #701 Varek Raith

Country and Disco cause me to SMASH STUFF!11!11
:)

I use them for much the same purpose myself.

I find, though, for those times I need to whip myself into a berserker fury, that nothing works like a little Prodigy.

708 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:29:38pm

re: #660 WindUpBird

This would all make a lot more sense if it turns out red has the full library of Coulter books on his shelves. ;-)

I don't think he does, I think he's just a silly tribalist who doesn't like liberals picking on conservatives, even when the conservative in question is a bigoted agitator.

This thing with Coulter is a smaller version of a similar Canadian free speech blowup involving Mark Steyn and MacLeans magazine, a couple of years ago.

709 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:29:52pm

re: #696 Obdicut

Brookly, are you okay with the existence of other countries at all?

yeah... I just like mine better.

710 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:30:14pm

re: #694 austin_blue

(looks under computer)

Did I say that, Steve? No. I was merely asking brookly to agree with his own statement.

Nice try, though.

just trying to sort out the racists murderers...I'll go back to what I was doing

711 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:30:17pm

re: #692 Slumbering Behemoth

I like just about everything, from hard-core speed metal to smooth jazz.

One of my favorite radio things ever was when the nerdy talk show I used to listen to (Rick Emerson show, archives are somehere on the net) found a treasure trove of smooth jazz records from an old format the station had, so they spent the entire four hours pretending they were smooth jazz DJs for coming out of every break, doing the low sultry sexy JAZZ DJ VOICE and coming out of commercials with random tracks. Later they started raming it up, until by the third hour they ran around looking for extra turntables...finding them, they then proceeded to fake-DJ: "We're smooth...jazz 106. The smoothest. Playing 3 smooth jazz songs at the same tiiime. All the music in a third of the space..." It sounded like transmissions from the mothership. I laughed so hard I about passed out.

712 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:30:31pm

re: #696 Obdicut

Brookly, are you okay with the existence of other countries at all?

hahahahaha dying

713 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:30:42pm

re: #686 brookly red

no that is against our laws... same as yelling fire in a theater. Next.

Is that what you said? I thought you said this:

"no I have said enough already, you either support free speech or you don't there is no in-between, there is no grey area, there is no nuance... it is what it is."

714 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:30:50pm

re: #581 WindUpBird

hahahaha the Nancy haterade, it just never ends!

has her husband's company yet begun to pay its employee's minimum wage?

715 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:31:20pm

re: #709 brookly red

yeah... I just like mine better.

of course! You prefer more free speech restrictions on art, and fewer free speech restrictions on hate speech! :D


I JUST CAN'T QUIT YOU

716 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:31:21pm

re: #711 WindUpBird

Speaking of Rick Emerson, did they ever play Bremelo for his producer? I woulda loved to hear her response >>

717 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:31:33pm

re: #703 wrenchwench

I found that Louis Armstrong death metal video deeply disturbing. I even had a flashback when the original was on the radio today.

I did too...very sinister, clever but I did not like it at all

718 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:31:58pm

re: #713 austin_blue

Is that what you said? I thought you said this:

"no I have said enough already, you either support free speech or you don't there is no in-between, there is no grey area, there is no nuance... it is what it is."

you have earned the title of asshole.

719 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:32:01pm

re: #701 Varek Raith

Country and Disco cause me to SMASH STUFF!11!11
:)

Okay, Disco is terrible, but Country's okay. As long as it's old school. Don't much care for this pop-country stuff that's been dominating the scene for the last decade or so.

720 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:32:34pm

re: #719 Slumbering Behemoth

....but Country's okay. As long as it's old school. Don't much care for this pop-country stuff that's been dominating the scene for the last decade or so.

Britney with a Banjo, as I've heard it called.

721 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:32:49pm

re: #715 WindUpBird

of course! You prefer more free speech restrictions on art, and fewer free speech restrictions on hate speech! :D

I JUST CAN'T QUIT YOU

art... what the fuck are you talking about?

722 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:32:55pm

My Tshirt of WUB's "Guitarist":[Link: www.flickr.com...]

723 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:33:09pm

re: #720 Guanxi88

Britney with a Banjo, as I've heard it called.

I'd pay not to see that!

724 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:33:39pm

re: #714 Taqyia2Me

has her husband's company yet begun to pay its employee's minimum wage?

I heard Nancy Pelosi is a shapeshifter, whose true form is a squid with boxing gloves. She has tentacles, so she can totally hold you down, and then she'll just go all Foreman Round 10 on you until you give her your guns and agree that Karl Marx is cooler than Jesus.

also I heard Rahm Emmanuel is actually the Candyman, and he appears behind you when you say his name three times in a mirror.

725 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:33:41pm

re: #719 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, Disco is terrible, but Country's okay. As long as it's old school. Don't much care for this pop-country stuff that's been dominating the scene for the last decade or so.

I thought I would NEVER like disco, but....amazing what 25 or 30 years can do...

726 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:33:41pm

re: #709 brookly red

That's fine. But are you okay with Canada having laws different from ours? Or do you really think that they should say, "America is so awesome, we should make all our laws like theirs."

I mean, I love the US. I think we kick lots of goddamn ass, and I think we're the wellspring of a lot of hope in the world for the future. But we also have crazy ass shit like don't ask don't tell (hopefully on the way out), and the bullshit that was pulled down in Texas.

Like I said, I don't agree with Canada's free speech laws. If I was a citizen there, I'd support their repeal. But as it stands, having Ann Coulter arrested under those laws would be fucking hilarious. Would it be unjust? Sure. But so would be my preferred fate for her: Stuck in an elevator with Christopher Hitchens.

727 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:33:49pm

re: #672 palomino

If the bill causes the parade of horribles that Repubs are blathering on about, then the solution is pretty easy: take back Congress and the WH in 2010 and 2012, and then repeal the legislation.

But I suppose most Repubs realize that such a move won't be very popular 3-4 years from now, once people have gotten used to the non-controversial changes the bill makes.

The Dems will be able to get out the vote, warning that the Republicans are going to take away their right to their free health care. Same tactic that prevented Social Security from being fixed in decades past.

728 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:33:58pm

An interesting tidbit about Glenn Beck's overpriced seed bank commercials....
Glenn Beck’s Seedy Sponsor: Banking On Sowing Fear


And he’s right, of course; there’s no shortage of greedy, dishonest individuals and companies eager to profit by preying on people’s worst instincts. Take Bill Heid, the guy behind the Survival Seed Bank. The Federal Trade Commission fined him $400,000 “in consumer redress” back in 2005 for making “false and unsubstantiated claims for the “Himalayan Diet Breakthrough.”

Heid made $4.9 million in sales off The Himalayan Diet Breakthrough, a dietary supplement containing “a paste-like material” called Nepalese Mineral Pitch that “oozes out of the cliff face cracks in the summer season” in the Himalayas. Heid promised buyers that this miraculous product would enable them to achieve rapid and substantial weight loss without dieting or exercise, while still consuming unlimited amounts of food.

Who could possibly buy the notion that you could sit on your ass all day eating crap and still lose weight by ingesting some mysterious substance harvested in the Himalayas?

729 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:34:00pm

re: #718 brookly red

you have earned the title of asshole.

Why don't I get the title of asshole?

*pouts*

730 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:34:07pm

re: #719 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, Disco is terrible, but Country's okay. As long as it's old school. Don't much care for this pop-country stuff that's been dominating the scene for the last decade or so.

FBV on Country Music...

Randy Travis, Travis Tritt, Dwight Yokum... Great.

Alabama? The suck.

The 80s were bad for Country Music.

731 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:34:13pm

re: #725 wrenchwench

I thought I would NEVER like disco, but...amazing what 25 or 30 years can do...

...brain damage?
///
:P

732 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:34:16pm

re: #719 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, Disco is terrible, but Country's okay. As long as it's old school. Don't much care for this pop-country stuff that's been dominating the scene for the last decade or so.

The female acts are the easiest to do that with, but you see that kinda crap with the guys, too. These are the fellows who, when they sign their first contract, ask "Now, if this doesn't work out, I get to keep the hat, right?"

733 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:34:45pm

re: #721 brookly red

Really, you are bad at ignoring.

734 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:34:53pm

re: #726 Obdicut

Chris Hitchens after he's put back a bottle of Jamesons. :D

735 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:35:02pm

re: #718 brookly red

That's not a very good response to someone demonstrating a problem in your argument. It just makes you sound defensive and as though you can't handle having the gaping holes in your argument pointed out.

736 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:35:29pm

re: #731 Varek Raith

...brain damage?
///
:P

I have crashed the bike a few times, now that you mention it.

737 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:35:46pm

re: #734 WindUpBird

Oh, he'd need it, otherwise it'd be torture for him too.

738 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:35:51pm

re: #735 Obdicut

That's not a very good response to someone demonstrating a problem in your argument. It just makes you sound defensive and as though you can't handle having the gaping holes in your argument pointed out.

Pointed out? I flew my Ring World through it!

739 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:35:53pm

re: #725 wrenchwench

I thought I would NEVER like disco, but...amazing what 25 or 30 years can do...

ironically, the Stones 'Miss You' is the best disco recording evah!....very tasty

740 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:35:54pm

re: #701 Varek Raith

Country and Disco cause me to SMASH STUFF!11!11
:)

I like brutal death metal, but I also love Abba. Conundrums!

741 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:35:54pm

re: #726 Obdicut

That's fine. But are you okay with Canada having laws different from ours? Or do you really think that they should say, "America is so awesome, we should make all our laws like theirs."

I mean, I love the US. I think we kick lots of goddamn ass, and I think we're the wellspring of a lot of hope in the world for the future. But we also have crazy ass shit like don't ask don't tell (hopefully on the way out), and the bullshit that was pulled down in Texas.

Like I said, I don't agree with Canada's free speech laws. If I was a citizen there, I'd support their repeal. But as it stands, having Ann Coulter arrested under those laws would be fucking hilarious. Would it be unjust? Sure. But so would be my preferred fate for her: Stuck in an elevator with Christopher Hitchens.

I don't have any problem with Canada having laws... do you have a problem with me criticizing them ?

742 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:36:22pm

re: #724 WindUpBird

I don't think I'm pronouncing Rahm's name right.

743 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:36:42pm

re: #737 Obdicut

Oh, he'd need it, otherwise it'd be torture for him too.

I can just imagine him listing to port, with a highball glass in hand. "Heyysshhanncoulterr!" And he's got a monocle and a rumpled smoking jacket, and keeps breathing on her.

744 freetoken  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:36:58pm

re: #728 Killgore Trout

BUY GOLD!!

/It really does ooze out of mountains...

745 rhino2  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:36:59pm

re: #638 brookly red

your are becoming unhinged... it's starts with the name calling, but come on you need to chill. do you have any idea how casual observers see this/

I had to hop in here because I've been reading this entire thread as a casual observer, and - just saying - I don't think I'm seeing it like you think we "casual observers" are.

746 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:37:18pm

re: #740 WindUpBird

I like brutal death metal, but I also love Abba. Conundrums!

And what's wrong with that? Not a damned thing, that's what.

I'm a HUGE geek for David Byrne and the Talking Heads, digs me some Bob Wills (The king of Texas Swing), grew up in bluegrass country, and have a "thing" for Arab music.

It all works.

747 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:37:22pm

re: #729 WindUpBird

Why don't I get the title of asshole?

*pouts*

well your nic means toy... same thing.

748 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:37:22pm

re: #724 WindUpBird

I for one, heard that Rahm Emmanuel was hung like a freaking elephant.

749 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:37:31pm

re: #720 Guanxi88

Britney with a Banjo, as I've heard it called.

Sounds about right. I prefer the older stuff.

750 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:37:31pm

re: #742 Obdicut

I don't think I'm pronouncing Rahm's name right.

I just say RAM.

Someone needs to photoshop him as Ram-Man from He-Man. RAM-MANUEL

751 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:37:40pm

re: #744 freetoken

BUY GOLD!!

/It really does ooze out of mountains...

Ha!

752 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:38:04pm

re: #743 WindUpBird

Mwahahaha!!! What a picture! I'd pay good money to see that.

753 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:38:05pm

re: #746 Guanxi88

And what's wrong with that? Not a damned thing, that's what.

I'm a HUGE geek for David Byrne and the Talking Heads, digs me some Bob Wills (The king of Texas Swing), grew up in bluegrass country, and have a "thing" for Arab music.

It all works.

I do love my Talking Heads. And David Byrne's solo stuff is pretty sweet.

754 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:38:15pm

re: #742 Obdicut

Bam Bam Emanuel
or, Hot Damn Emanuel

755 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:38:27pm

re: #735 Obdicut

That's not a very good response to someone demonstrating a problem in your argument. It just makes you sound defensive and as though you can't handle having the gaping holes in your argument pointed out.

you people have blown his thing entirely out of proportion, playing these incessant word games...do you ever give up?..is that the only reason you blog here, to argue words with people?....good grief

756 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:38:31pm

Hmm, do ya think I'd make money selling seeds that I claimed grew gold???

757 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:38:41pm

re: #725 wrenchwench

I thought I would NEVER like disco, but...amazing what 25 or 30 years can do...

Growing up in Napa Valley..We all went through a phase of either hanging out at the bars in Cowboy hats and line dancing to the California slide or going dancing in the City...It doesn't matter..Valley boys can dance better than anyone in the world...It's the law..*wink*

758 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:38:41pm

re: #735 Obdicut

That's not a very good response to someone demonstrating a problem in your argument. It just makes you sound defensive and as though you can't handle having the gaping holes in your argument pointed out.

what is the problem? what is the argument? free speech is or it is not.

759 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:39:05pm

re: #741 brookly red

No. Because, you might notice that I'm criticizing those laws too. You see the bit where I say I'd vote for their repeal? That indicates I'm critical of those laws.

You seem to be interpreting "Think one potential outcome of a law is amusing" means the same thing as "Supports that law to the hilt".

On the other hand, you also seem to think free speech is both a black and white issue and open to restriction and regulations, so you win points for consistency in inconsistency.

760 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:39:10pm

re: #755 albusteve

you people have blown his thing entirely out of proportion, playing these incessant word games...do you ever give up?..is that the only reason you blog here, to argue words with people?...good grief


It's better than arguing numbers! I stopped at Calculus, I'd be fucked

761 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:39:30pm

re: #753 WindUpBird

I do love my Talking Heads. And David Byrne's solo stuff is pretty sweet.

David Byrne was the only really genius thing about the Talking Heads' only his neurotic muse could keep them going. Otherwise, just another mildly talented buncha art students.

That Byrne's done such great stuff afterward, whereas the others (tina who?) have not, says it all.

762 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:39:30pm

re: #756 Varek Raith
PT Barnums' axiom still holds water.

763 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:39:50pm

re: #756 Varek Raith

You will need a lot of water and grow lights.

764 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:40:38pm

re: #745 rhino2

I had to hop in here because I've been reading this entire thread as a casual observer, and - just saying - I don't think I'm seeing it like you think we "casual observers" are.


re: #759 Obdicut

No. Because, you might notice that I'm criticizing those laws too. You see the bit where I say I'd vote for their repeal? That indicates I'm critical of those laws.

You seem to be interpreting "Think one potential outcome of a law is amusing" means the same thing as "Supports that law to the hilt".

On the other hand, you also seem to think free speech is both a black and white issue and open to restriction and regulations, so you win points for consistency in inconsistency.


so what is the problem other than that you want one?

765 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:40:44pm

re: #759 Obdicut

No. Because, you might notice that I'm criticizing those laws too. You see the bit where I say I'd vote for their repeal? That indicates I'm critical of those laws.

You seem to be interpreting "Think one potential outcome of a law is amusing" means the same thing as "Supports that law to the hilt".

On the other hand, you also seem to think free speech is both a black and white issue and open to restriction and regulations, so you win points for consistency in inconsistency.

You're so much better at this than I am. You're the concert violinist, and I'm the guy who plays feedback :D

766 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:40:47pm

re: #763 prairiefire

You will need a lot of water and grow lights.

And some security. Yeah, I think you're gonna need my help.

767 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:41:54pm

re: #755 albusteve

you people have blown his thing entirely out of proportion

In bed!

768 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:42:10pm

re: #761 Guanxi88

David Byrne was the only really genius thing about the Talking Heads' only his neurotic muse could keep them going. Otherwise, just another mildly talented buncha art students.

That Byrne's done such great stuff afterward, whereas the others (tina who?) have not, says it all.

Yeah, he was the brains of the outfit. Though I tend to like mad geniuses when they're reeled in by a band and forced to compromise. Sting is inferior to the Police, Jeff Martin is inferior to The Tea Party, Plant is inferior to Zeppelin, and so on.

769 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:42:11pm

Off topic (but then again isn't everything by now?)

James Randi comes out of the closet at age 81.

That's an awful long time to keep that kind of a secret.

[Link: www.forgoodreason.org...]

Let's see the man at work:

770 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:42:28pm

re: #767 Obdicut

In bed!

HE'S ON FIRE

771 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:42:57pm

re: #769 negativ

Three of the best! Good show.

And it had been kind of an open secret for a long time. But it's great for him to be able to say it.

772 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:43:39pm

re: #765 WindUpBird

Its more like he's playing Battle Chess, and you're playing Doom 2. Different goals :p

773 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:44:01pm

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
--Lord Acton, Lecture, February 26, 1877

774 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:44:36pm

re: #772 windsagio

Its more like he's playing Battle Chess, and you're playing Doom 2. Different goals :p

Battle Chess! :D

775 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:44:37pm

re: #770 WindUpBird

HE'S ON FIRE

That can't be good for his health!

776 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:44:52pm

re: #768 WindUpBird

Honest and open question:

Are there examples of people who really blossomed when they cut themselves from their group and struck out on their own?

Bjork seems to me to be a good example of this, but part of the problem is I don't really know how much she really was doing her solo stuff solo.

I'm interested if anyone has some really good examples of this.

777 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:45:19pm

re: #774 WindUpBird

Battle Chess! :D

Battle Chess!

778 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:45:25pm

re: #745 rhino2

I had to hop in here because I've been reading this entire thread as a casual observer, and - just saying - I don't think I'm seeing it like you think we "casual observers" are.

Cheers, dude! :D

779 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:45:30pm

re: #773 The Sanity Inspector

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
--Lord Acton, Lecture, February 26, 1877

where where you yesterday?

780 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:45:37pm

re: #775 Varek Raith

That can't be good for his health!


Reminds me of a quip, an old one, but applicable, even though I've been known to indulge:

Cigarette - noun. A tube of paper filled with shredded tobacco, having a fire at one end and a foll at the other.

781 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:45:41pm

re: #775 Varek Raith

And I have to wait 2 years before semi-demi-universal health-insurancecare will protect me.

Quick, have them pass a bill resolving that a large amount of water be dumped over my head.

782 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:46:22pm

re: #777 HoosierHoops

Battle Chess!

Many many days I whiled away on my Atari St playing Battle Chess:

783 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:46:41pm

re: #776 Obdicut
IMO, Phil Collins was better than Genisis(sp)

784 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:46:55pm

re: #781 Obdicut

And I have to wait 2 years before semi-demi-universal health-insurancecare will protect me.

Quick, have them pass a bill resolving that a large amount of water be dumped over my head.

I have been drinking beer... would that do it for you:)

785 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:46:57pm

re: #778 WindUpBird

WUB, see my #722

786 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:47:13pm

re: #783 pingjockey

IMO, Phil Collins was better than Genisis(sp)

I'd agree, but see your Phil Collins and raise you a Peter Gabriel.

787 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:47:13pm

re: #781 Obdicut

And I have to wait 2 years before semi-demi-universal health-insurancecare will protect me.

Quick, have them pass a bill resolving that a large amount of water be dumped over my head.

Here you go!
*Passes out a draft resolution written by the Vogon*

788 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:47:14pm

re: #730 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV on Country Music...

Randy Travis, Travis Tritt, Dwight Yokum... Great.

Alabama? The suck.

The 80s were bad for Country Music.

I LOVE dancing to country music... triple step, double two step, two step, line dancing, country swing, country waltz... best kind of dancing in the world.

You get to ask a girl to dance and your get a chance to TOUCH her... hold her, and she has to work WITH you... not a bunch of self-centered rock dancing where it's really a show to see how much attention you can attract to yourself.

Country dancing requires socializing.

789 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:47:44pm

re: #784 brookly red

Wasting beer? Never. Unless you're drinking crap beer.

790 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:48:20pm

re: #786 Guanxi88
I was totally drawing a blank over Peter Gabriel! Senior moment as my dad says.

791 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:48:24pm

re: #786 Guanxi88

I'd agree, but see your Phil Collins and raise you a Peter Gabriel.

792 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:48:40pm

re: #789 Obdicut

Wasting beer? Never. Unless you're drinking crap beer.

it is already drunk... I can pass it on if you would like :)

793 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:48:43pm

re: #773 The Sanity Inspector

"A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed."

-- Justin's Dad, Twitter, February 22, 2010

794 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:48:52pm

re: #789 Obdicut

Wasting beer? Never. Unless you're drinking crap beer.

Well, you could wait, but I think you'd be better off with a Sense of the House resolution.

795 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:49:01pm

re: #768 WindUpBird

Yeah, he was the brains of the outfit. Though I tend to like mad geniuses when they're reeled in by a band and forced to compromise. Sting is inferior to the Police, Jeff Martin is inferior to The Tea Party, Plant is inferior to Zeppelin, and so on.

But it was surprising, was it not, when Plant and not Page turned out to be the successful Zep alumnus.

The first time, we all met in this little room to see if we could stand each other. It was wall to wall amplifiers, terrible, all old. Robert had heard I was a session man, and he was wondering what was going to turn up--some old bloke with a pipe? So Jimmy said, "Well, we're all here, what are we going to play?" And I said "I don't know. What do you know?" And Jimmy said, "do you know 'Train Kept A-Rollin'"? I told him no. And he said, "It's easy, just G to A." He counted it out, and the room just exploded! And we said, "Right, we're on, this is it, this is going to work!!!"
-- John Paul Jones

796 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:49:27pm

re: #791 Guanxi88

Oh my law, Yes!!!

797 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:49:52pm

re: #793 Slumbering Behemoth

"A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed."

-- Justin's Dad, Twitter, February 22, 2010

wait... but what if the one who wins the prize is a hooker?

798 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:50:03pm

re: #776 Obdicut

Honest and open question:

Are there examples of people who really blossomed when they cut themselves from their group and struck out on their own?

Bjork seems to me to be a good example of this, but part of the problem is I don't really know how much she really was doing her solo stuff solo.

I'm interested if anyone has some really good examples of this.

Oh, there are, I'm sure. it's more personal taste, I like BANDS. i like the interaction between opinionated musicians who are all roped together and have to compromise.

Let's see... King Diamond? Nope, mercyful fate was better.

Ozzy? wellllll Sabbath was more significant and ozzy's solo stuff ranges from great to awful. Maybe, Blizzard of Ozz is better than many Sabbath records.

Devin Townsend? He got his start sorta with Steve Vai's band, but he was always really a solo artist.

799 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:50:14pm

re: #776 Obdicut

Peter Gabriel
Phil Collins
Brian Eno
Michael Jackson
Joan Jett
Steve Vai

I'm probably missing a lot of really obvious ones.

800 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:50:24pm

re: #796 prairiefire

Oh my law, Yes!!!

One of the best, most interesting things I've heard from the man, which is saying something.

801 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:50:41pm

re: #780 Guanxi88

Devil's Dictionary?

802 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:50:50pm

re: #722 prairiefire

Oh, looks nice! I approve of how it was cropped.

803 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:51:07pm

re: #801 Slumbering Behemoth

Devil's Dictionary?

I dunno; found it in an old tobacco manufacturer's handbook, of all things.

804 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:51:08pm

re: #782 WindUpBird

Many many days I whiled away on my Atari St playing Battle Chess:


[Video]


I loved Battle Chess..Blowing shit up was fun...

805 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:51:21pm

re: #801 Slumbering Behemoth

Devil's Dictionary?

Webster's same as ours...

806 Tigger2005  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:51:54pm

re: #149 Joo-LiZ

When she said it was HAMAS that named a square after a terrorist (it wasn't -- it was the PA/Fatah).

Actually, she was right. Outlets that reported this as an error later issued a correction.

807 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:51:58pm

re: #803 Guanxi88

I dunno; found it in an old tobacco manufacturer's handbook, of all things.

No, it was samuel johnson, of all people.

808 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:51:59pm

re: #799 negativ

Michael Jackson! Of course, the best example ever. How stupid of me.

Thanks.

And yeah, agreed with the rest, too.

Whatever group Ray Charles was part of too, before he started to make it on his own.

809 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:52:23pm

re: #805 brookly red

Webster's same as ours...

richardsnary, for those who are hip.

810 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:52:37pm

re: #804 HoosierHoops
Blowing shit up is fun, period.....see Myth Busters.

811 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:52:41pm

re: #799 negativ

Peter Gabriel
Phil Collins
Brian Eno
Michael Jackson
Joan Jett
Steve Vai

I'm probably missing a lot of really obvious ones.

These are great calls, though Vai was always a hired gun, he doesn't count. :D Remember his album with Whitesnake?

Also, I like Genesis better than Phil Collins, but PG's solo work is better than Genesis.

812 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:52:52pm

re: #797 brookly red

wait... but what if the one who wins the prize is a hooker?

A Nobel Prize for Prostitution? Only in a perfect world.

813 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:53:29pm

re: #808 Obdicut

Michael Jackson! Of course, the best example ever. How stupid of me.

Thanks.

And yeah, agreed with the rest, too.

Whatever group Ray Charles was part of too, before he started to make it on his own.

I'd argue Iggy Pop's solo stuff is better than the Stooges... though I do like the Stooges!

814 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:54:11pm

re: #812 Slumbering Behemoth

A Nobel Prize for Prostitution? Only in a perfect world.

don't make me name names when the implication is obvious.

815 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:54:30pm

re: #813 WindUpBird

I think the anti-example is Black Francis and the Pixies. None of his solo stuff is anywhere near as compelling as the Pixies were and are.

816 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:54:58pm

re: #813 WindUpBird

I'd argue Iggy Pop's solo stuff is better than the Stooges... though I do like the Stooges!

fuck you I agree with you, no what do think of that!

817 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:55:07pm

re: #814 brookly red

don't make me name names when the implication is obvious.

Clinton is still waiting though.

818 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:55:13pm

re: #776 Obdicut

Honest and open question:

Are there examples of people who really blossomed when they cut themselves from their group and struck out on their own?

Bjork seems to me to be a good example of this, but part of the problem is I don't really know how much she really was doing her solo stuff solo.

I'm interested if anyone has some really good examples of this.

Do you mean bands that were actually popular in their own right, not just "starter" bands? If so, I'd nominate the following:

Van Morrison, after he left Them.

Gerry Rafferty, after he left Stealer's Wheel.

Aaaand, I'm blanking. Sorry!

819 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:55:38pm

re: #815 Obdicut

I think the anti-example is Black Francis and the Pixies. None of his solo stuff is anywhere near as compelling as the Pixies were and are.

I didn't even know he had solo stuff!

Also, Chris Cornell. GOD CHRIS. Even a bad Soundgarden record is still great, Cornell just goes off the rails.

820 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:55:51pm

re: #817 Guanxi88

Clinton is still waiting though.

which one?

821 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:55:54pm

re: #818 The Sanity Inspector

Yeah, I meant bands that ruled in their own right, sorry.

Good one with Van Morrison. I'm ashamed to admit I don't know who Gerry Rafferty is. I'll have to check him out.

822 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:55:57pm

re: #818 The Sanity Inspector

Do you mean bands that were actually popular in their own right, not just "starter" bands? If so, I'd nominate the following:

Van Morrison, after he left Them.

Gerry Rafferty, after he left Stealer's Wheel.

Aaaand, I'm blanking. Sorry!

heehee GEORGE MICHAEL

823 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:56:28pm

re: #820 brookly red

which one?

Bubba - he's owed a Nobel, as I've heard. And, if they're gonna expand out in to categories of his specialization.....

824 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:56:48pm

re: #814 brookly red

don't make me name names when the implication is obvious.

You best not be thinking of my name. Though I am good enough that I could charge, I don't. I give it away for free, as it should be.

825 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:57:00pm

re: #822 WindUpBird

heehee GEORGE MICHAEL

Talented man; had he only come clean about things and not been so foolish, no one would have cared.

826 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:57:33pm

BBIAB

827 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:57:43pm

re: #826 pingjockey

BBIAB

DOn't you threaten us!

828 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:57:43pm

re: #816 brookly red

fuck you I agree with you, no what do think of that!

OH GOD CONFLICTED :O

here, I'll just offer the olive branch and post my favorite Iggy Pop song being covered by my favorite French canadian metal band:

829 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:58:17pm

Oooh, I know. Anyone mention Eric Clapton yet?

830 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 4:58:50pm

re: #829 Slumbering Behemoth

Oooh, I know. Anyone mention Eric Clapton yet?

Don Henley - talented, but put him with the Eagles, and man, oh manischevitz!

831 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:00:00pm

re: #821 Obdicut

Yeah, I meant bands that ruled in their own right, sorry.

Good one with Van Morrison. I'm ashamed to admit I don't know who Gerry Rafferty is. I'll have to check him out.

Oh, you know him. The essence of the 70s is distilled into the sax solo on this song.

832 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:00:10pm

re: #828 WindUpBird

OH GOD CONFLICTED :O

here, I'll just offer the olive branch and post my favorite Iggy Pop song being covered by my favorite French canadian metal band:


[Video]

canned frog metal ? could be a movement... or could just suck. let's see.

833 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:00:19pm

There's also guys who have a genius band, but who do INCREDIBLY WEIRD SHIT when they do solo stuff. See Mike Patton of Faith No More.

834 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:01:18pm

re: #832 brookly red

canned frog metal ? could be a movement... or could just suck. let's see.

Granted a crappy live video isn't the way to appreciate Voivod, this is better:

Very weird and not for everyone, but I love 'em

835 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:01:29pm

re: #833 WindUpBird

There's also guys who have a genius band, but who do INCREDIBLY WEIRD SHIT when they do solo stuff. See Mike Patton of Faith No More.

System of the Down..
Enough said brother!
*wink*

836 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:01:39pm

re: #831 The Sanity Inspector

Ah... that guy. Thanks.

837 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:02:08pm

re: #829 Slumbering Behemoth

Oooh, I know. Anyone mention Eric Clapton yet?

Well, he was happier on his own, but he never topped his work with Cream and Derek & the Dominos.

On stage Cream was a jazz band. We just didn't tell Eric.
-- Jack Bruce

838 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:02:29pm

Stevie Nicks - she NEEDED Fleetwood Mac just to be able to ground and orient that most unusual instrument of hers. In nearly any other setting, the voice seems off and forced.

839 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:02:41pm

OK, this place has more BS than I had beer... I will come back if she let's me...

50-50...

840 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:02:48pm

re: #835 HoosierHoops

System of the Down..
Enough said brother!
*wink*

Yeah, Serj did that song with Buckethead I like :D But he's real wild on his own.

841 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:03:42pm

re: #830 Guanxi88

BTW, I checked The Devil's Dictionary, and "cigarette" is not in there. "Conservative" and "Christian" are, though.

842 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:05:51pm

re: #841 Slumbering Behemoth

BTW, I checked The Devil's Dictionary, and "cigarette" is not in there. "Conservative" and "Christian" are, though.

Eh, Bierce was an equal-opportunity kinda guy.

843 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:07:49pm

Since we are going all poetic, this may be appropriate:

Aquarius

When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius! Aquarius!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

As our hearts go beating through the night
We dance unto the dawn of day
To be the bearers of the water
Our light will lead the way

We are the spirit of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
Angelic illumination
Rising fiery constellation
Travelling our starry courses
Guided by the cosmic forces
Oh, care for us; Aquarius

OOOOoooooooooo!

844 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:08:18pm

re: #688 HoosierHoops

LOL
Speaking of Canada..you brought it up..
I spend a week in Montreal a few years ago..
So the girls in the office cornered me my first day
* So did you notice yet Hoopster?*
Notice what?
Something about Montreal?
..no.. maybe..What?
The most beautiful girls in the World live in Montreal..
Really?
Shop on Saint Cathrine Street tonight and get back with us Hoopster...
Next day
Whoa! you aren't kidding girls!
Say it..
Most beautiful women in the world!
See that wasn't too bad was it?
No...That was easy..
Now..I have all kinds of shirts and sweaters and Hats from Montreal in the closet.. I shopped alot...

Took a while to find this, Ian and Sylvia's French Girl:

[Link: popup.lala.com...]

845 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:08:21pm

The nice about guitarist is we can all disagree and still be right...
There are a million guitarists I love...But Dime bag was a big lose for us all..
What a shredder

846 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:08:43pm

Tom Petty?


Good stuff both ways.

847 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:09:34pm

Later folks.

848 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:09:45pm

re: #845 HoosierHoops

The nice about guitarist is we can all disagree and still be right...
There are a million guitarists I love...But Dime bag was a big lose for us all..
What a shredder

Oh man, no doubt. Dimebag and Piggy from Voivod were both tremendous losses to metal. Dimebag is the reason I like Pantera. I can't really do the aggro thing they do all the time, but his guitars are so good, so unbelievable I have to love them.

849 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:10:07pm

re: #846 emmmieG

Tom Petty?

Good stuff both ways.

He's almost in a separate category. I think of folk like him as being a fine liquor - they can feature in, and improve and be improved by, mixture in a good cocktail, but they're quite sublime all on their own.

850 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:11:04pm

re: #849 Guanxi88

He's almost in a separate category. I think of folk like him as being a fine liquor - they can feature in, and improve and be improved by, mixture in a good cocktail, but they're quite sublime all on their own.

Tom petty is one of those guys whose music I want to shoot into outer space to let the aliens know what America is. :D

851 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:12:22pm

re: #848 WindUpBird

Give up some love for Buckethead.

852 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:12:50pm

Have I mentioned that sometimes I get a sort of synesthetic "smell" when I read certain Lizard's names? Not for everyone, and not all the time, but occasionally, and when it does come through, it's consistent.

Examples:

Albsuteve - ozone
Cato the Elder - saddlesoap
LVQ - chalk dust
SFZ - cardamom
Mandy - burnt coffee

853 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:13:14pm

re: #851 Obdicut

I've seen Buckethead live, it was like he took a flamethrower to the club. it was astonishing watching his fingers.

Loud like almost nothing I have ever experienced. Just amazing.

854 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:13:23pm

re: #850 WindUpBird

I'd choose Tom Waits. Nobody else, to me, gets Americana like he does.

855 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:13:31pm

re: #850 WindUpBird

Tom petty is one of those guys whose music I want to shoot into outer space to let the aliens know what America is. :D

That would have been better than that crappy gold disk Voyager had to carry. Talk about a missed opportunity.

856 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:13:32pm

re: #852 Guanxi88

Have I mentioned that sometimes I get a sort of synesthetic "smell" when I read certain Lizard's names? Not for everyone, and not all the time, but occasionally, and when it does come through, it's consistent.

Examples:

Albsuteve - ozone
Cato the Elder - saddlesoap
LVQ - chalk dust
SFZ - cardamom
Mandy - burnt coffee

Walter L. Newton - rug burn

857 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:14:24pm

re: #852 Guanxi88

Have I mentioned that sometimes I get a sort of synesthetic "smell" when I read certain Lizard's names? Not for everyone, and not all the time, but occasionally, and when it does come through, it's consistent.

Examples:

Albsuteve - ozone
Cato the Elder - saddlesoap
LVQ - chalk dust
SFZ - cardamom
Mandy - burnt coffee

Windupbird- burning clutch smell and turpentine

858 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:14:32pm

re: #854 Obdicut

I'd choose Tom Waits. Nobody else, to me, gets Americana like he does.

Yeah, he's got our number, but I don't know that we'd want all those home-truths scattered to the cosmos. Hell, they'd slap an embargo on the whole freaking galaxy if they heard The Earth Died Screaming

859 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:14:40pm

re: #855 Guanxi88

That would have been better than that crappy gold disk Voyager had to carry. Talk about a missed opportunity.

You talkin' bout Johnny B. Goode?

860 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:14:51pm

re: #854 Obdicut

I'd choose Tom Waits. Nobody else, to me, gets Americana like he does.

He's another great one!

861 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:15:23pm

re: #852 Guanxi88

Have I mentioned that sometimes I get a sort of synesthetic "smell" when I read certain Lizard's names? Not for everyone, and not all the time, but occasionally, and when it does come through, it's consistent.

Examples:

Albsuteve - ozone
Cato the Elder - saddlesoap
LVQ - chalk dust
SFZ - cardamom
Mandy - burnt coffee

Hmm, what smell does darkness give off?
;)

862 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:15:39pm

re: #853 WindUpBird

He or Eddie Hazel are my favorite live experiences.

863 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:16:01pm

re: #860 WindUpBird

John Philip Sousa gets America.

864 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:16:08pm

re: #861 Varek Raith

You smell like space, with the slightest hint of destroyed planet.

865 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:16:10pm

re: #861 Varek Raith

Hmm, what smell does darkness give off?
;)

Burnt metal, like when you set fire to a piece of steel wool.

866 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:16:51pm

re: #856 Walter L. Newton

I hesitate to ask.

LOL

867 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:16:54pm

re: #864 Obdicut

You smell like space, with the slightest hint of destroyed planet.

You sure that's not sandalwood and/or cade undertones you're picking up?

868 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:17:58pm

My old boxing partner said that I smelled like glazed donuts when I work out.

Sometimes he'd have to stop because I made him too hungry.

869 Guanxi88  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:18:00pm

re: #866 Ojoe

I hesitate to ask.

LOL

Now you, Joe, I sometimes think of Castile soap when i see your name.

870 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:18:02pm

re: #856 Walter L. Newton

ROFLMAO

What a tangent!

871 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:18:10pm

re: #866 Ojoe

I hesitate to ask.

LOL

Don't.

872 webevintage  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:18:18pm

I don't know how to react to this story:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

The headline made me laugh: Anti-Immigrant Leader’s Bodyguard Reportedly Assaulted Mimes Who Were Blowing ‘Hateful Whistles’ At DC Rally

Because it's mimes blowing "hateful whistles" and everyone hates mimes.
But still not cool assaulting people....

873 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:18:32pm

re: #755 albusteve

you people have blown his thing entirely out of proportion, playing these incessant word games...do you ever give up?..is that the only reason you blog here, to argue words with people?...good grief

Quoting Rush Limbaugh, "Words *mean* things."

874 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:18:45pm

re: #869 Guanxi88

OK

I'm a Neanderthal actually.

875 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:19:26pm

re: #857 WindUpBird

Windupbird- burning clutch smell and turpentine

Hoopster..The first thing you will smell is Eternity for Men...
It's my fav..
The last thing you will smell? Well that's up to you i always say..

876 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:19:26pm

Hey everyone. A little update about the potential romance I posted about today. She called me back tonight! Told me she's really busy this week, but she'd like to see me some time next week.

877 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:19:26pm

BBL

dinner with the family

878 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:20:01pm

re: #872 webevintage

I don't know how to react to this story:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

The headline made me laugh: Anti-Immigrant Leader’s Bodyguard Reportedly Assaulted Mimes Who Were Blowing ‘Hateful Whistles’ At DC Rally

Because it's mimes blowing "hateful whistles" and everyone hates mimes.
But still not cool assaulting people...

Headline = hilarious.
Assaulting mimes = not cool.

879 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:20:01pm

re: #872 webevintage

I don't know how to react to this story:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

..snip

A moment of silence seems appropriate.

880 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:20:36pm

re: #875 HoosierHoops

This whole smell-based discussion leaves me somewhat uncomfortable >>

881 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:20:38pm

re: #873 austin_blue

Quoting Rush Limbaugh, "Words *mean* things."

yes, like 'peace'...there are peaceful ways to pursue a point...the three Ps

882 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:21:01pm

re: #876 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hey everyone. A little update about the potential romance I posted about today. She called me back tonight! Told me she's really busy this week, but she'd like to see me some time next week.

Awesome!
She is smoking hot isn't she? I'm happy for you

883 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:21:26pm

Health Care passes - the headlines of Newspapers around the country

[Link: benwikler.com...]

884 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:21:33pm

re: #880 windsagio

This whole smell-based discussion leaves me somewhat uncomfortable >>

did you check your pants?....maybe you should

885 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:21:36pm

re: #876 Mad Al-Jaffee

Don't overdress! Don't underdress! Pants are mandatory.

886 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:21:51pm

Heading out, night all!

887 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:21:54pm

re: #876 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hey everyone. A little update about the potential romance I posted about today. She called me back tonight! Told me she's really busy this week, but she'd like to see me some time next week.

Hey... what's up... she called me too?

888 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:22:15pm

re: #880 windsagio

This whole smell-based discussion leaves me somewhat uncomfortable >>

Are farts lumpy?

889 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:23:12pm

re: #776 Obdicut

Honest and open question:

Are there examples of people who really blossomed when they cut themselves from their group and struck out on their own?

Bjork seems to me to be a good example of this, but part of the problem is I don't really know how much she really was doing her solo stuff solo.

I'm interested if anyone has some really good examples of this.

Sting. Phil Collins. Beyonce. Eric Clapton. Diana Ross. Michael Jackson.

890 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:23:48pm

re: #882 HoosierHoops

She looked pretty good to me (redhead!) when we first met, and (more importantly) we seem to get along well and have at least one thing in common (biking.) I think she might have a kid, but that's all right with me. I'll see how things go when me have the first date.

891 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:23:55pm

re: #853 WindUpBird

I've seen Buckethead live, it was like he took a flamethrower to the club. it was astonishing watching his fingers.

Loud like almost nothing I have ever experienced. Just amazing.

Trivia: he's about the same height as me. No further similarities, SFAIK...

892 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:24:35pm

re: #876 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hey everyone. A little update about the potential romance I posted about today. She called me back tonight! Told me she's really busy this week, but she'd like to see me some time next week.

You made me go look, now I'm jealous. She helped you fix your bike!?!?

893 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:24:43pm
894 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:24:59pm

re: #889 austin_blue

Beyonce is a great example.

Any excuse to think about Beyonce is good, actually.

895 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:27:58pm

re: #889 austin_blue

Sting. Phil Collins. Beyonce. Eric Clapton. Diana Ross. Michael Jackson.

Quite a few Muddy Waters sidemen, including Otis Spann, Little Walter and James Cotton.

896 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:28:55pm

re: #891 The Sanity Inspector

Never seen that. Thanks. Awesome performance. He just seems to be having so much damn fun.

897 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:29:29pm

re: #893 -jt-

Ok here we go..You make a few comments in 5 years..Expand your comment please...Don't be shy..We are here for you.
/not
//If you got something to say..Say it...

898 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:29:32pm

re: #799 negativ

Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes" is arguably the greatest pop song ever recorded. (Notice how I said arguably? I am on LGF.)

Oh, don't forget Paul McCartney. Remember Wings?
/

899 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:30:41pm

re: #898 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes" is arguably the greatest pop song ever recorded. (Notice how I said arguably? I am on LGF.)

Oh, don't forget Paul McCartney. Remember Wings?
/

The Kinks reigned.

900 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:31:14pm

re: #898 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes" is arguably the greatest pop song ever recorded. (Notice how I said arguably? I am on LGF.)

Oh, don't forget Paul McCartney. Remember Wings?
/

what about them?...they are perfectly forgettable imo

901 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:31:14pm

Here is probably the best performance of Maggot Brain that ever was.

902 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:31:22pm

re: #892 wrenchwench

You made me go look, now I'm jealous. She helped you fix your bike!?!?

She prectically fixed the flat herself. She got the inner tube out, showed me how to find the leak and patch it (I patched it, but didn't do a very good job), got the tube back in and helped me put the tire back on.

Another cool thing about that day is the tire remained flat but there was a bike shop in walking distance. I walked the bike there and explained to them that I needed a repair job but didn't have my wallet with me (I usually keep a $20 bill in my seat pouch, but since this was my first ride of the year I didn't have it.) They fixed it and let me ride home and come back and pay for it. Satruday was like a mega-karma day for me.

903 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:31:28pm

re: #756 Varek Raith

Hmm, do ya think I'd make money selling seeds that I claimed grew gold???

Sure, until Glenn Beck sues you because your cutting in on his turf at least.

/

904 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:31:32pm

re: #893 -jt-

Walter? He's in Longmont, CO. Go over there and give him what fo.

905 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:32:12pm

re: #900 albusteve

what about them?...they are perfectly forgettable imo

(sarc tag there, Steve)

906 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:32:57pm

re: #899 Walter L. Newton

The Kinks reigned.

The first rock concert I ever went to was The Kinks, in the mid 80s.

907 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:33:11pm

Paul was taken over by a pod person when he left the Beatles.

Going to go drink now. Y'all be excellent to each other.

908 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:34:08pm

re: #904 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? He's in Longmont, CO. Go over there and give him what fo.

Really...

909 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:34:38pm

re: #908 Walter L. Newton

That's what it said when I clicked on the nic...

910 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:35:16pm

re: #906 Mad Al-Jaffee

The first rock concert I ever went to was The Kinks, in the mid 80s.

They were really an underrated band in this country... had some of the best bebop in the business.

911 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:35:45pm

re: #899 Walter L. Newton

The Kinks reigned.

I found this interview with Dave Davies last week. Happiest I've ever seen him.

[part 1]

912 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:35:53pm

re: #899 Walter L. Newton

One of my favorite Kinks songs:

913 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:36:15pm

re: #906 Mad Al-Jaffee

The first rock concert I ever went to was The Kinks, in the mid 80s.

my first was a bunch of Detroit bands...Rotary Connection, Amboy Dukes and Dick Wagner and the Frost...I will never forget it, my long path started at the Crazy Horse teen bar in Kalamazoo

914 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:38:21pm

re: #724 WindUpBird

I heard Nancy Pelosi is a shapeshifter, whose true form is a squid with boxing gloves. She has tentacles, so she can totally hold you down, and then she'll just go all Foreman Round 10 on you until you give her your guns and agree that Karl Marx is cooler than Jesus.

also I heard Rahm Emmanuel is actually the Candyman, and he appears behind you when you say his name three times in a mirror.

Worse. When he appears, he is naked. Not even wearing a towel. And he yells at you for voting against the Democratic party line.

915 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:38:45pm

re: #912 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yep... My two favorites "Skin and Bones" and "Celluloid Heros." I played for 12 years in various bands, but from 1970-74, I had my own band that played the tri-state area (NY, NJ, PA), and we did a lot of Kinks, T-rex, Bowie... mixed with county, standards, pop... we could do everything from rock clubs to wedding receptions, made good money being able to cover so many tastes.

916 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:38:50pm

I forgot to mention my other good news from the weekend. Found out my band's cd release party has been set for May. Should be a good one.

917 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:39:02pm

re: #913 albusteve

my first was a bunch of Detroit bands...Rotary Connection, Amboy Dukes and Dick Wagner and the Frost...I will never forget it, my long path started at the Crazy Horse teen bar in Kalamazoo

do the detroit breakdown...

inner city shakedown :)

918 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:39:04pm

re: #727 The Sanity Inspector

The Dems will be able to get out the vote, warning that the Republicans are going to take away their right to their free health care. Same tactic that prevented Social Security from being fixed in decades past.

The Democrats haven't promised anyone free health care so far.

919 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:39:36pm

re: #916 Mad Al-Jaffee

I forgot to mention my other good news from the weekend. Found out my band's cd release party has been set for May. Should be a good one.

Congratulations! :D

920 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:39:57pm

re: #916 Mad Al-Jaffee

I forgot to mention my other good news from the weekend. Found out my band's cd release party has been set for May. Should be a good one.

Let us know where a copy for sale is on the web.

921 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:40:12pm

re: #918 SanFranciscoZionist

The Democrats haven't promised anyone free health care so far.

I wonder how long we're going to see this stuff popping up...

922 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:40:33pm

re: #913 albusteve

my first was a bunch of Detroit bands...Rotary Connection, Amboy Dukes and Dick Wagner and the Frost...I will never forget it, my long path started at the Crazy Horse teen bar in Kalamazoo

Awesome Steve..The bay area music scene was great when I was going up..
The Cow Palace, The great American music hall, Nightclubs in Alameda..
Great Music scene then

923 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:40:51pm

re: #914 SanFranciscoZionist

Worse. When he appears, he is naked. Not even wearing a towel. And he yells at you for voting against the Democratic party line.

And then you weep and hide :D

OH GOD IT'S RAHM

924 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:41:27pm

re: #918 SanFranciscoZionist

The Democrats haven't promised anyone free health care so far.

you know that, and I know that, but there a few million still waiting for their unicorns....

925 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:41:45pm

re: #916 Mad Al-Jaffee

I forgot to mention my other good news from the weekend. Found out my band's cd release party has been set for May. Should be a good one.

I'd love to buy a CD

926 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:42:49pm

re: #889 austin_blue

Sting. Phil Collins. Beyonce. Eric Clapton. Diana Ross. Michael Jackson.

Bullshit on Sting! The Police kicks Sting's solo work all over the place! There ain't nothing Sting ever did solo that touches Synchronicity.s

(Okay, i do like the album Soul Cages a lot, that's a great record)

927 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:42:53pm

BBIAM

928 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:43:50pm

re: #902 Mad Al-Jaffee

She prectically fixed the flat herself. She got the inner tube out, showed me how to find the leak and patch it (I patched it, but didn't do a very good job), got the tube back in and helped me put the tire back on.

Another cool thing about that day is the tire remained flat but there was a bike shop in walking distance. I walked the bike there and explained to them that I needed a repair job but didn't have my wallet with me (I usually keep a $20 bill in my seat pouch, but since this was my first ride of the year I didn't have it.) They fixed it and let me ride home and come back and pay for it. Satruday was like a mega-karma day for me.

That is kinda pathetic, I ride constantly, on some of my longer rides I have had days when I have had to patch three flats. There is no excuse for not having tire irons, a patch kit, and a frame mount pump with you (and knowing how to use them). Generally it takes me less than 10 minutes to repair a flat and get back on the road, I have never had to pay anyone to fix one. Re-true a warped rim? Sure. Pay to fix a flat tire? Never.

(I also carry one spare tube in case of catastrophic "slash" damage, then you end up patching the inside of the tire to hold the gash together temporarily and just replace the tube.)

929 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:43:50pm

re: #852 Guanxi88

Have I mentioned that sometimes I get a sort of synesthetic "smell" when I read certain Lizard's names? Not for everyone, and not all the time, but occasionally, and when it does come through, it's consistent.

Examples:

Albsuteve - ozone
Cato the Elder - saddlesoap
LVQ - chalk dust
SFZ - cardamom
Mandy - burnt coffee

Oooh. I love being cardamom!

930 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:43:55pm

You know, it's odd.

Although by ideology I was bound to hope the bill would pass - if only to stick a finger in the eye of harridans and viragoes like Malkin and above all Geller - I must confess I felt a little trepidation at the thought of having thousands of pages of recycled paper literally rammed down my throat all at once. I even took the precaution of laying in a supply of Pepto-Bismol, Vicodin and Lagavulin for self-medicating any injuries, in case the ERs where overwhelmed.

But you know, the most amazing thing happened? I barely felt it at all. And this morning my matutinal smoker's hack was less than usual. I do believe I'm enjoying the benefits of health-care reform even before it's been signed into law.

I do find it a bit disturbing to contemplate how easily I've slipped from being a free American just yesterday to joining the ranks of the peoples in socialist bondage today. I mean, I never thought I'd be comfortable in the same Maoist boat as Brits, Swedes, Frenchmen, Germans, and Israelis. Yet, though the sun shone yesterday and it poured horrible AGW-portending rain today, life when on in much the same fashion as always.

But then I'm a sheep, from a long line of sheeple. We'll put up with anything, even rain from Obama, as long as we can crop the free grass and shit on Constitution Green.

931 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:44:25pm

re: #917 brookly red

do the detroit breakdown...

inner city shakedown :)

Detroit was the no bullshit capital of garage band rock and roll...no tomato can got out alive

932 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:44:30pm

My friend Mike (who is in his 40's) said it best about Sting: "The Police were one of the greatest band son earth. Then Sting decided he would rather make music for our parents to listen to."

933 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:44:40pm

re: #920 Walter L. Newton

Let us know where a copy for sale is on the web.

It's not out yet, but the first two are available at [Link: bigdaddystallings.com...]

934 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:44:56pm

This was my only rock concert. I'm told others are redundant.

Pink Floyd Live in Venice

935 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:45:15pm

re: #922 HoosierHoops

Awesome Steve..The bay area music scene was great when I was going up..
The Cow Palace, The great American music hall, Nightclubs in Alameda..
Great Music scene then

Filmore West

936 Kruk  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:46:17pm

re: #797 brookly red

wait... but what if the one who wins the prize is a hooker?

Not as unlikely as it sounds:

[Link: entertainment.timesonline.co.uk...]

Although, taking that thought to its logical conclusion, one of the off-spring would have to be hiring the other as a hooker. In which case, EPIC parenting fail.

937 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:46:24pm

re: #930 Cato the Elder

You know, it's odd.

Although by ideology I was bound to hope the bill would pass - if only to stick a finger in the eye of harridans and viragoes like Malkin and above all Geller - I must confess I felt a little trepidation at the thought of having thousands of pages of recycled paper literally rammed down my throat all at once. I even took the precaution of laying in a supply of Pepto-Bismol, Vicodin and Lagavulin for self-medicating any injuries, in case the ERs where overwhelmed.

But you know, the most amazing thing happened? I barely felt it at all. And this morning my matutinal smoker's hack was less than usual. I do believe I'm enjoying the benefits of health-care reform even before it's been signed into law.

I do find it a bit disturbing to contemplate how easily I've slipped from being a free American just yesterday to joining the ranks of the peoples in socialist bondage today. I mean, I never thought I'd be comfortable in the same Maoist boat as Brits, Swedes, Frenchmen, Germans, and Israelis. Yet, though the sun shone yesterday and it poured horrible AGW-portending rain today, life when on in much the same fashion as always.

But then I'm a sheep, from a long line of sheeple. We'll put up with anything, even rain from Obama, as long as we can crop the free grass and shit on Constitution Green.

don't worry cato the truth is a good place to start.

938 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:46:55pm

re: #931 albusteve

Detroit was the no bullshit capital of garage band rock and roll...no tomato can got out alive

My favorite thing to ever come out of Detroit (besides cars) was the Stooges.

939 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:47:39pm

re: #935 albusteve

Filmore West

I'm ashamed to say I grew 1 hour and 20 minutes away from the Filmore..
I never went there..

940 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:47:42pm

re: #934 Decatur Deb

I was at the Floyd concert tour after this one, the Division Bell tour. Quite awesome, and they opened with Astronomy Domine. i was in heaven.

941 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:47:47pm

re: #921 WindUpBird

I wonder how long we're going to see this stuff popping up...

Oh, it will never end. In November, it's going to be "How's that free healthcare working out for you? You get your free healthcare yet?"

I got no problem with people not liking this bill, but I wish we could keep pretty much focused on what's actually in it.

942 Gus  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:47:56pm

re: #930 Cato the Elder

You know, it's odd.

Although by ideology I was bound to hope the bill would pass - if only to stick a finger in the eye of harridans and viragoes like Malkin and above all Geller - I must confess I felt a little trepidation at the thought of having thousands of pages of recycled paper literally rammed down my throat all at once. I even took the precaution of laying in a supply of Pepto-Bismol, Vicodin and Lagavulin for self-medicating any injuries, in case the ERs where overwhelmed.

But you know, the most amazing thing happened? I barely felt it at all. And this morning my matutinal smoker's hack was less than usual. I do believe I'm enjoying the benefits of health-care reform even before it's been signed into law.

I do find it a bit disturbing to contemplate how easily I've slipped from being a free American just yesterday to joining the ranks of the peoples in socialist bondage today. I mean, I never thought I'd be comfortable in the same Maoist boat as Brits, Swedes, Frenchmen, Germans, and Israelis. Yet, though the sun shone yesterday and it poured horrible AGW-portending rain today, life when on in much the same fashion as always.

But then I'm a sheep, from a long line of sheeple. We'll put up with anything, even rain from Obama, as long as we can crop the free grass and shit on Constitution Green.

Hey Cato, I thought you might get a laugh at this excerpt by John Derbyshire at National Review in reaction to last nights HCR vote:


John Derbyshire:

It’ll be over soon. We’ll be down in the cold, lightless depths of imperial despotism — in which, after all, the great majority of human beings, throughout history, have always lived. It’s the natural way: liberty is an unstable temporary aberration. I once tried to compute the sheer quantity, in man-years, of lives lived under the despotic order — Egyptians and Assyrians, Persians and Chinese, Romans and post-Alexander Greeks, Incas and Aztecs, Umayyads and Abbasids, Ottomans and Zulus, Tsars and General Secretaries . . . as against humans in liberty, ruled by common consent. It came out at around a hundred to one.

943 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:48:51pm

re: #924 brookly red

you know that, and I know that, but there a few million still waiting for their unicorns...

Well, maybe they can team up with the folks who think the death panels are going to eat them. Nothing much you can do about people who are waiting for unicorns.

944 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:49:47pm

re: #938 WindUpBird

My favorite thing to ever come out of Detroit (besides cars) was the Stooges.

them too...Detroit was really the home ground for punk rock....Iggy was a total freak but he could literally take a punch....tough city, and tough bands...MC5 for example

945 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:49:48pm

re: #928 ausador

I do tire irons, a patch kit (two actually), and a frame mount pump. I didn't carry a spare tube until after this weekend. I took the seat pouch off and bought a fanny pack that will fit the spare tube and everything else I need. I'll start riding with that from now on.

I've been very lucky. Rode two seasons, often on trips that took me pretty far from home, with no flats or other mishaps. I'm going to get a tuneup soon, and when I do I'm going to ask them to replace the back tire inner tube with a thorn resistant one (same kind they put in the front tire, and sold me a spare that I'm keeping at home.)

I am pretty pathetic when it comes to repair and maintenance. Went to a free workshop at REI last year, but it wasn't really hands on. I could have done the patch job myself, but it would have taken much longer.

946 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:49:59pm

re: #943 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, maybe they can team up with the folks who think the death panels are going to eat them. Nothing much you can do about people who are waiting for unicorns.

till they start marching...

947 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:50:44pm

re: #945 Mad Al-Jaffee

Just got here. Did she call?

948 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:51:18pm

re: #941 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, it will never end. In November, it's going to be "How's that free healthcare working out for you? You get your free healthcare yet?"

I got no problem with people not liking this bill, but I wish we could keep pretty much focused on what's actually in it.

Imagine the freakout if there's not much change in the House and Senate after november. I expect Republicans to pick up seats, but they really did stake WAAAY too much on killing this bill. They chose a very risky battle to bet it all on.

949 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:51:46pm

re: #939 HoosierHoops

I'm ashamed to say I grew 1 hour and 20 minutes away from the Filmore..
I never went there..

I was from MI and went there, just to do it...saw the Allman Bros., Hot tuna and Santana

950 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:52:43pm

re: #949 albusteve

Allmans Live at the Filmore is one of the best live rock albums ever made.

951 St. Louisville Cards  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:52:43pm

I highly doubt she wrote that because of McVeigh.

Everyone is aware that a MOVIE came out 4 months ago called Invictus....right? It was nominated for some Oscars, If anyone has heard of Matt Damon or Morgan Freeman (they are pretty big movie stars), they are in the movie. Also a guy named Clint Eastwood (another big star, in front of and behind the camera) he directed it.

Charles,
Things like this post, feed just as much into some of the extremism you claim to hate so much. It does nothing to push us toward a proper dialog.

952 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:52:49pm

re: #948 WindUpBird

They bet everything on a scorched earth policy - and lost.

Boy am i looking forward to the ads from the DNC about GOP members voting against covering children with insurance.............

953 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:53:10pm

re: #948 WindUpBird

*cough*terryschaivo*cough*

They haven't been good at picking records lately.

954 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:53:38pm

re: #944 albusteve

them too...Detroit was really the home ground for punk rock...Iggy was a total freak but he could literally take a punch...tough city, and tough bands...MC5 for example

I have heard Clutch (one of my favorite bands, sort of rootsy blues-hard-rock-with-really-strange-brainy-lyrics) can effectively play Detroit forever if they wanted, they have a crazy following there.


Also, The White Stripes are from Detroit, and they've done pretty well for themselves 8-)

955 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:53:56pm

re: #948 WindUpBird

Imagine the freakout if there's not much change in the House and Senate after november. I expect Republicans to pick up seats, but they really did stake WAAAY too much on killing this bill. They chose a very risky battle to bet it all on.

well as they don't have either house , what have they got to lose ?...

956 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:53:56pm

re: #912 Mad Al-Jaffee

One of my favorite Kinks songs:


[Video]

Mine is either Waterloo Sunset or Celluloid Heroes. Some seriously great music from them, though.

William

957 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:54:15pm

re: #926 WindUpBird

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

958 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:54:42pm

re: #955 brookly red

Integrity..............?

/

959 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:54:48pm

re: #605 Cato the Elder

Evening, if you are still interested I answered your post in the Health Care bill passed from last night.

960 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:54:49pm

re: #948 WindUpBird

Imagine the freakout if there's not much change in the House and Senate after november. I expect Republicans to pick up seats, but they really did stake WAAAY too much on killing this bill. They chose a very risky battle to bet it all on.

I expect some turnover. Be interesting, either way.

961 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:54:49pm

re: #950 Mad Al-Jaffee

Allmans Live at the Filmore is one of the best live rock albums ever made.

indeed, they were just killer until Duanes demise...that old stuff really holds up well...like this

962 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:55:03pm

re: #947 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just got here. Did she call?

Yes, she did! We're going to try to get together some time next week.

963 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:55:24pm

re: #958 wozzablog

Integrity...?

/

let us see in November shall we?

964 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:55:29pm

re: #951 St. Louisville Cards

I highly doubt she wrote that because of McVeigh.

Everyone is aware that a MOVIE came out 4 months ago called Invictus...right? It was nominated for some Oscars, If anyone has heard of Matt Damon or Morgan Freeman (they are pretty big movie stars), they are in the movie. Also a guy named Clint Eastwood (another big star, in front of and behind the camera) he directed it.

Charles,
Things like this post, feed just as much into some of the extremism you claim to hate so much. It does nothing to push us toward a proper dialog.



At worst she wrote it because of McVeigh, at best she wrote because she's hysterical and ridiculous.

The far right wing psycho rhetoric about health care reform ruining the Republic and bringing on totalitarian apocalypse, it's exactly that poor, wretched excuse for "dialog" that is making people crazy.

965 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:55:34pm

re: #956 wlewisiii

Waterloo Sunset in honour of Boenhers naploleonic plotting against HCR.

966 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:55:54pm

Time for 24. BBL.

967 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:55:56pm

re: #962 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yes, she did! We're going to try to get together some time next week.

Sweet!! Luck be upon you!!

968 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:56:27pm

re: #957 Mad Al-Jaffee

HAHAHA YES YES FOREVER

I love it, thank you :D

969 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:56:32pm

re: #952 wozzablog

They bet everything on a scorched earth policy - and lost.

Boy am i looking forward to the ads from the DNC about GOP members voting against covering children with insurance...

Another interesting thing, Dems didn't even use Deem & Pass, but just wait till the Republican's try to use it. They blew it.

970 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:57:05pm

re: #937 brookly red

don't worry cato the truth is a good place to start.

You've never read much satire, have you?

971 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:57:09pm

re: #954 WindUpBird

I have heard Clutch (one of my favorite bands, sort of rootsy blues-hard-rock-with-really-strange-brainy-lyrics) can effectively play Detroit forever if they wanted, they have a crazy following there.

Also, The White Stripes are from Detroit, and they've done pretty well for themselves 8-)

Detroiters are notoriously tough on bands...you better deliver the goods or they will throw your ass out into the street...they don't fuck around up there, not then anyway

972 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:57:24pm

re: #960 SanFranciscoZionist

I expect some turnover. Be interesting, either way.

I would bet on Republicans gaining seats, but not winning a landslide of them. It'll be fun!

973 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:57:45pm

re: #970 Cato the Elder

You've never read much satire, have you?

I read everything you post.

974 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:58:18pm

re: #963 brookly red

Yup.
I'll be keeping score on the republican adverts that say the democrats promised free healthcare and unrestricted abortion on demand though.............. hence my "integrity" response to what have they got to lose.............

975 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:59:15pm

re: #949 albusteve

I was from MI and went there, just to do it...saw the Allman Bros., Hot tuna and Santana

You rock Steve..Always nice chatting with you..
I saw the Who at the Cow palace you bitch! Wink
Hung out with Roger Buffalo at the Sound Board in Santa Cruz...
/Hope you are well

976 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:59:48pm

re: #973 brookly red

I read everything you post.

That's just sad. May I recommend a hobby? Or dating?

977 BlackFedora  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:59:49pm

re: #255 WindUpBird

I myself couldn't take pleasure in that. Ann Coulter is obnoxious and abrasive but it would stink to me. Let the Ann Coulters and the Medea Benjamins of the world make their noise. *shrug*

978 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:00:00pm

re: #971 albusteve

Detroiters are notoriously tough on bands...you better deliver the goods or they will throw your ass out into the street...they don't fuck around up there, not then anyway

They're from Maryland, but they're a tough band, they deliver. The Clutch show I saw, that was one intense crowd...

979 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:00:03pm

re: #974 wozzablog

Yup.
I'll be keeping score on the republican adverts that say the democrats promised free healthcare and unrestricted abortion on demand though... hence my "integrity" response to what have they got to lose...

I hope you do turn you back on the wave...

980 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:00:32pm

re: #933 Mad Al-Jaffee

It's not out yet, but the first two are available at [Link: bigdaddystallings.com...]

I suspect you're the "white guy" :)

When I moved to Dallas in 1974, one of the first things I did was look for a band to gig with, and I found an ad for a band in Carrollton (a suburb of Dallas) looking for a keyboard player.

My Mom, who had been living in Dallas for about 4 years already, a racist par excellence, said to me "Carrollton is a nice place, mostly white folk."

I went to the audition, got the job and started playing. My Mom almost freaked out. It was a all black band and we played exclusively on the south side of Dallas on 2nd avenue, all black clubs, and I'm the only white dude in the place.

It's was a blast.

981 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:01:28pm

re: #977 BlackFedora

I myself couldn't take pleasure in that. Ann Coulter is obnoxious and abrasive but it would stink to me. Let the Ann Coulters and the Medea Benjamins of the world make their noise. *shrug*

She can make all the noise she wants here! Just not there.

982 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:01:51pm

re: #976 Cato the Elder

That's just sad. May I recommend a hobby? Or dating?

I do both, but when I feel down I read your posts... I always feel much better about myself afterwards.

983 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:02:49pm

Hey I just got a check from my credit card company $3.25 But the thing is they were a few days late getting the check to me. I was thinking I'd send them an invoice for $35, my customary late fee. Might be fun just to see the corporate reaction.

984 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:02:52pm

re: #972 WindUpBird

I would bet on Republicans gaining seats, but not winning a landslide of them. It'll be fun!

Too far out at this point for me to make a prediction. You could be right, or the economy could drive a backlash.

I HOPE you're right, obviously, but I'm not making predictions just yet.

985 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:04:02pm

re: #979 brookly red

There is no stopping the wave..................

986 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:04:17pm

re: #977 BlackFedora

I myself couldn't take pleasure in that. Ann Coulter is obnoxious and abrasive but it would stink to me. Let the Ann Coulters and the Medea Benjamins of the world make their noise. *shrug*

She does, of course, have the option to explain kindly that she will not attend because she refuses to give up her right to free speech.

987 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:04:23pm

re: #984 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting thing on the economy.

My father owns a temp company and a recruiting company.

Naturally, the downturn REALLY reamed them both. However, the temp company is in the black, and is starting to really pick up, and even the recruiting arm is doing a bit better.

He says that that's the usual pattern with these things, but that things are def. picking up jobswise.

988 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:04:29pm

The practice of recission by Health insurance ends on September 23rd.

One of the most odious things health insurers do, will end.

989 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:04:31pm

re: #985 wozzablog

There is no stopping the wave...

nope.

990 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:05:02pm

Is Cato here?

991 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:05:14pm

the tears of free republic, hot air, and stalkerblog are many today, and they are delicious.

992 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:05:28pm

re: #984 SanFranciscoZionist

Too far out at this point for me to make a prediction. You could be right, or the economy could drive a backlash.

I HOPE you're right, obviously, but I'm not making predictions just yet.

yeah, if the economy gets much worse, it'll totally be BUMS OUT

993 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:05:35pm

re: #987 windsagio

Interesting thing on the economy.

My father owns a temp company and a recruiting company.

Naturally, the downturn REALLY reamed them both. However, the temp company is in the black, and is starting to really pick up, and even the recruiting arm is doing a bit better.

He says that that's the usual pattern with these things, but that things are def. picking up jobswise.

Glad to hear it--REALLY glad to hear it. The husband is still job hunting.

994 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:05:41pm

re: #991 SpaceJesus

the tears of free republic, hot air, and stalkerblog are many today, and they are delicious.

I gotta go look!

995 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:05:59pm

re: #991 SpaceJesus

the tears of free republic, hot air, and stalkerblog are many today, and they are delicious.

Now, people, pay attention, THIS is gloating.

996 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:06:30pm

re: #991 SpaceJesus

you should really be a dear and blockquote us some juicy stuff >

997 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:06:33pm

re: #990 HoosierHoops

Is Cato here?

Probably working hard on a reply to brookly...

998 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:06:38pm

re: #995 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, people, pay attention, THIS is gloating.


oh, i've just started.

999 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:06:51pm

well good night good folks.

1000 windsagio  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:07:04pm

1000?! HAH!

1001 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:07:04pm

News from the bad and the mad:

Atlas Simpers says, "Bye Bye Miss American Pie. America’s Day of Wreckoning — the Socialist Putsch Comes to Washington. Tonight we sit shiva for the nation."

The Borgmocrazy wails, "The radical totalitarian progressive movement has finally achieved its long cherished goal of Eugenics." That's right: Eugenics with a capital "E". I can see why Rodan might be worried. But there is a gleam of hope: "Although The Neo-Fascist Barack Hussein Obama has gotten Congress to pass his Eugenics bill, the fight is not over." I presume they mean going on a war footing.

And my old employer writes on Facebook today: "It's over. Done. Kaput."

What is wrong with me? Why am I unable to weep for the death of America?

1002 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:07:26pm

re: #997 Naso Tang

Probably working hard on a reply to brookly...

So take cover?
/

1003 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:08:04pm

re: #990 HoosierHoops

Is Cato here?

Here!

1004 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:08:10pm

re: #1001 Cato the Elder

Godwinmocracy!

1005 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:08:12pm

re: #1001 Cato the Elder

Are they still promising Jam tomorrow across the way?....

1006 brookly red  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:08:15pm

re: #1000 windsagio

1000?! HAH!

/please report to Carousel...

1007 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:08:38pm

re: #1006 brookly red

ok, upding for Logan's Run

1008 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:08:52pm

Well, I've decided to help the GOP, and I've found them a theme song.

1009 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:09:19pm

re: #1006 brookly red

/please report to Carousel...

Renew! Renew!

1010 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:09:25pm

re: #1002 HoosierHoops

So take cover?
/

Nah, this is an intellectual pissing match; not like that other one.

1011 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:09:34pm

re: #1006 brookly red

/please report to Carousel...

Your ability to ignore WUB is only exceeded by your ability to leave after saying goodbye! ;)

1012 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:09:44pm

re: #1003 Cato the Elder

Here!

Called you

1013 freetoken  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:09:49pm

re: #991 SpaceJesus

the tears of free republic, hot air, and stalkerblog are many today, and they are delicious.

No, NO, NO!

You're supposed to wipe the tears away, not lick them!

1014 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:10:14pm

re: #1008 darthstar

Yay! I love that album :D

1015 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:10:17pm

song_and_dance_man writes: God judges nations for evil. For the first time in our history we are on the cusp of this nation financing the murder of the unborn.

1016 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:10:39pm

Little Wing:

1017 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:10:48pm

re: #1014 WindUpBird

Yay! I love that album :D


I love a good ballad.

1018 Gus  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:11:02pm

re: #1008 darthstar

Well, I've decided to help the GOP, and I've found them a theme song.

[Video]

Here's my submittal.

Video...

1019 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:11:15pm

re: #1015 SanFranciscoZionist

song_and_dance_man writes: God judges nations for evil. For the first time in our history we are on the cusp of this nation financing the murder of the unborn.

what's the APR on murdering the unborn? Can I drive off the lot in this murder with only $500 down?

///

1020 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:11:22pm

re: #1015 SanFranciscoZionist

song_and_dance_man writes: God judges nations for evil. For the first time in our history we are on the cusp of this nation financing the murder of the unborn.

Gonna be a bad ass hurricane season this year/

1021 Racer X  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:11:39pm

The first day of the apocalypse. Is everyone still OK?

1022 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:11:41pm

re: #1018 Gus 802

I'd upding that one over and over if I could. Love that song. Perfect for Boehner and his ilk.

1023 darthstar  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:12:28pm

re: #1021 Racer X

The first day of the apocalypse. Is everyone still OK?

Too bad nobody argued that the bill would bring on the rapture. Then the GOP might have voted for it.

1024 Gus  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:12:51pm

re: #1022 darthstar

I'd upding that one over and over if I could. Love that song. Perfect for Boehner and his ilk.

We can has teh repeal of teh health care bill!111!1!!

/

1025 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:13:15pm

re: #1013 freetoken

No, NO, NO!

You're supposed to wipe the tears away, not lick them!

oh no, they are for drinking. their tears are my sustenance you see

1026 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:13:23pm

re: #1020 Naso Tang

Tornados, too.

1027 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:13:38pm

re: #991 SpaceJesus

the tears of free republic, hot air, and stalkerblog are many today, and they are delicious.

Gone out raiding again, SJ? Share with us your exploits.

1028 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:13:58pm

re: #1020 Naso Tang

Gonna be a bad ass hurricane season this year/

He continues: The nations of old were destroyed for the very practice of sacrificing their children to Molech and other fallen creatures. And it is alos very close to the reason Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. The Sodomites weren’t killing their children, but there was no escaping, for them, of the perversion that permeated those cities.

We will not escape this if the nation is moved to the place when we officially, at the highest level, fund the murder of children.

I wonder if he'd feel any better if I pointed out that a. the Hyde Amendment remains intact and b. the sin of Sodom was inhospitality to the stranger, something the folks of the Blogmocracy seem to believe to be a value.

1029 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:14:13pm

re: #1021 Racer X

The first day of the apocalypse. Is everyone still OK?

It depends what you mean by okay? I'm still here, that means I missed the rapture, I guess I'm fucked.

1030 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:14:20pm

re: #1027 Dark_Falcon

Gone out raiding again, SJ? Share with us your exploits.


i can't blow my cover at free republic

1031 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:15:24pm

re: #1021 Racer X

The first day of the apocalypse. Is everyone still OK?

Yep, but some people at other sites are in full meltdown.

1032 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:15:37pm

re: #1021 Racer X

The first day of the apocalypse. Is everyone still OK?

I was forced to beat a hasty retreat to the panic room when SEIU thugs came to the door to take our guns, gold, and non-hybrid seeds, but they left after a while.

Nothing else to report.

1033 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:16:36pm

re: #1028 SanFranciscoZionist

He continues: The nations of old were destroyed for the very practice of sacrificing their children to Molech and other fallen creatures. And it is alos very close to the reason Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. The Sodomites weren’t killing their children, but there was no escaping, for them, of the perversion that permeated those cities.

We will not escape this if the nation is moved to the place when we officially, at the highest level, fund the murder of children.

I wonder if he'd feel any better if I pointed out that a. the Hyde Amendment remains intact and b. the sin of Sodom was inhospitality to the stranger, something the folks of the Blogmocracy seem to believe to be a value.

Jeez, what a nutcase. I swear the supposed pro lifers out there make me embarrassed to even share somewhat of a similiar position with them since they refuse to realize that abortion is never an easy choice and prefer damning people rather than analyzing why people choose to get abortions and being screw em after the baby is born.

1034 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:17:52pm

re: #1032 SanFranciscoZionist

I was forced to beat a hasty retreat to the panic room when SEIU thugs came to the door to take our guns, gold, and non-hybrid seeds, but they left after a while.

Nothing else to report.


First they came for my gold, then they came for my sleepnumber bed, then they came for my C Crane Company crank radio, then they came for my non-hybrid seeds...then they came for the star I named after my wife, then they came for my glucosamine and condroitin supplements, then they came for my Welche's grape juice, then they came for my colloidal silver...

1035 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:18:17pm

re: #1033 HappyWarrior

Jeez, what a nutcase. I swear the supposed pro lifers out there make me embarrassed to even share somewhat of a similiar position with them since they refuse to realize that abortion is never an easy choice and prefer damning people rather than analyzing why people choose to get abortions and being screw em after the baby is born.

You know, I'd accept the rather florid rhetoric if there was, actually, any federal money going to abortion. That would upset a lot of folks, and justly so, even if I do not agree with their ideas.

The tearful breast-beating over something that is not happening is sort of bizarre, though.

1036 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:18:49pm

re: #1031 Dark_Falcon

Yep, but some people at other sites are in full meltdown.

Schadenfreude, it's what's for dinner.

OK, that was kind of a gloat.

1037 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:20:55pm

re: #975 HoosierHoops

You rock Steve..Always nice chatting with you..
I saw the Who at the Cow palace you bitch! Wink
Hung out with Roger Buffalo at the Sound Board in Santa Cruz...
/Hope you are well

I saw the Who at Cobo Hall, Detroit, 71...they did their entire Tommy gig....and played a blistering Magic Bus for an encore...I posted about that gig years ago...fans locked out, stormed the place...smashed doors and windows in the mezzanine and flooded in....very scary time

1038 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:21:16pm

re: #1033 HappyWarrior

Jeez, what a nutcase. I swear the supposed pro lifers out there make me embarrassed to even share somewhat of a similiar position with them since they refuse to realize that abortion is never an easy choice and prefer damning people rather than analyzing why people choose to get abortions and being screw em after the baby is born.

I don't mean to stomp on anyone's beliefs, but because the whole abortion coverage thing is a flat out lie, I think some people are grabbing onto this false issue because they can't think of anything else. Half of em are probably pro-choice when it comes down to it.

1039 albusteve  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:22:46pm

re: #997 Naso Tang

Probably working hard on a reply to brookly...

he's polishing his halo

1040 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:24:00pm

re: #1036 Stanley Sea

Schadenfreude, it's what's for dinner.

OK, that was kind of a gloat.

It's fair. When some goes as clear off the beam as Hot Air has gone today, its OK to laugh at them a little.

1041 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:26:14pm

re: #951 St. Louisville Cards

I highly doubt she wrote that because of McVeigh.

Everyone is aware that a MOVIE came out 4 months ago called Invictus...right? It was nominated for some Oscars, If anyone has heard of Matt Damon or Morgan Freeman (they are pretty big movie stars), they are in the movie. Also a guy named Clint Eastwood (another big star, in front of and behind the camera) he directed it.

Charles,
Things like this post, feed just as much into some of the extremism you claim to hate so much. It does nothing to push us toward a proper dialog.


Well, how much extremism to do you see on this blog,specifically, on this thread? Does it compare to the sort of comments found on Hot Air or the Free Republic?
With respect to proper dialog, with whom should such dialog take place? Surely not the wingnuts on Hot Air, right?

Invictus stared two liberals who probably don't have much of a problem with the health care bill, but that's just my guess.

What kind of connection do you see with regard to the movie and the poem?

1042 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:29:32pm

re: #988 WindUpBird
Way late on this but my thinking takes the time it takes.

Some of you saw my post on how conflicted I was on the HCR bill. Frankly that is gone, but not to be replaced by relief or happiness. I can not gloat. It has been reformed only because it has fallen so far and become so expensive as to become dysfunctional! Sad really.

Frankly I am really deeply angry. Not at Obama or Congress. I am angry at the cheaters that stole medical services, refusing to pay, despite at least some ability to do so. I am angry at insurers whose egregious policies made reform necessary. I am angry at medical providers who dare to bill my insurance provider $9 for a single motrin in a sparse hospital room at a resort rate.

I am grateful to my doctor who takes cash and discounts my rate as he can. I am grateful to a lab that charged me a few hundred dollars for my cash rather than the two thousand dollar rate reserved for insurers who fight them to skip paying. Taking needed dollars from a good lab. A lab that won my heart for proving Dragon_Lady had no cancer in her brain.

I am deeply angry at the sheer necessity of HCR.

And I am deeply grateful to my President who took a dangerous shot at a difficult task, who has improved my life by a most important measure. The measure of the health of my spouse.

President Obama, Thank You. This may work out or it may not but thank you for taking your best shot at real peril to your re-election.

To the Republicans in Congress who got 200 amendments in and offered not one fucking vote of support, fuck you and your Tea Party asshole friends.

1043 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:29:49pm

None of the people complaining about pointing out extreme comments at Malkin's site ever seemed to have a problem with similar posts pointing out extreme comments at, say, Daily Kos.

Depends whose ox is being gored, obviously.

1044 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:31:36pm

re: #1038 Stanley Sea

I don't mean to stomp on anyone's beliefs, but because the whole abortion coverage thing is a flat out lie, I think some people are grabbing onto this false issue because they can't think of anything else. Half of em are probably pro-choice when it comes down to it.

Yep pretty much and honestly the hypocrisy about how no one wants this bill from the Republican leadership who needed the VP to break the tie for the Bush tax cuts is another thing needed to be said. Those tax cuts were core to Bush's domestic agenda just like this health care bill is. Not faulting the law that allows the VP to break the tie by the way but it should be noted that a lot of Bush's proposals weren't exactly universally popular either and in fact he and his administration prided themselves on defying the polls. So now we're supposed to value the polls. It's all hypocritical I know and the same thing will happen again with whoever the next president is but it's annoying and a good reason why Americans hate politics.

1045 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:32:33pm

re: #1042 Rightwingconspirator

Well said.

1046 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:33:45pm

re: #1042 Rightwingconspirator

I very much doubt you are alone in that and hope that every one here reads your thoughtful and factual postings on the topic.

(faved)

1047 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:35:19pm

re: #1046 wozzablog

re: #1045 Stanley Sea

Aw shucks, thanks.

1048 bryantms  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:49:56pm

I'm just catching up on this, so forgive me if I missed something.

I certainly don't condone any of the comments at Michelle Malkin's website because I'm sure there's a bunch of wackos there. The same could be said for DailyKos. But I can't find any reason to connect a poem, written in 1875 and having been referenced many times by many different groups/organizations, with Timothy McVeigh. The commenter simply mentions that it "raises me up". Whatever that means...

The logic is as follows: If immoral person A likes Item X, and commenter B also likes Item X, then commenter B must also be immoral.

Now I haven't read the entire thread at mm.com because frankly I could give two shits what those folks have to say. There probably was some garbage in that thread, but this comment alone is not enough for me to indict.

1049 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:53:15pm

re: #1048 bryantms

I'm just catching up on this, so forgive me if I missed something.

I certainly don't condone any of the comments at Michelle Malkin's website because I'm sure there's a bunch of wackos there. The same could be said for DailyKos. But I can't find any reason to connect a poem, written in 1875 and having been referenced many times by many different groups/organizations, with Timothy McVeigh. The commenter simply mentions that it "raises me up". Whatever that means...

The logic is as follows: If immoral person A likes Item X, and commenter B also likes Item X, then commenter B must also be immoral.

Now I haven't read the entire thread at mm.com because frankly I could give two shits what those folks have to say. There probably was some garbage in that thread, but this comment alone is not enough for me to indict.

I think that Charles was drawing attention to how over-the-top crazy Malkin's poster are getting. They're using a poem appropriate to imprisonment or being under utter tyranny to talk about a legislative defeat (though a major one).

1050 St. Louisville Cards  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 7:08:56pm

re: #1041 eclectic infidel

My point is I doubt Malkin knew Invictus was the last thing McVeigh copied down. The Movie Invictus (in which the poem is read) was more likely fresh in her mind.

Assuming Malkin would use that poem because a mass murdering, anti-government, white supremacist used it (a pretty obscure fact by the way) is just as over the top reactionary as someone saying Obama is a closet communist out to take our freedoms.

1051 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 7:36:53pm

re: #1048 bryantms

but this comment alone is not enough for me to indict.

So don't, what is the problem?

Oops, I forgot that by attending this site and posting here we all agreed to be mindless thralls to Charle's every whim or mood. Apparently you have not read many of the arguments and discussions in the threads here. If you had you would already know that people here have their own minds and constantly and forcefully state their own opinions no matter the subject.

Believe or not you can say pretty much anything here, and to anyone, the one thing you cannot do however is question what Charles posts or why. It is his site after all, he pays for it, why can't he post whatever the hell he likes? If you don't like it then you need to go elsewhere and find a site that you do like.

Sigh...anyway, I guess the point is that no one here that I am aware of has been brainwashed into mindlessly following Charles. We retain our own ideas and opinions here, thank you very much. If this place ever does turn into another "group-think" site I will be one of the first to leave, I have enough of those bookmarked that I never visit anymore already.

1052 narrowback  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 8:37:52pm

re: 1023 Charles

That double standard is what prompted my lengthy sabbatical from blog comments. Glad to see some intellectual honesty returning to some venues

and to the comments about the early Allman Bros gigs at the Filmore East I had the privilege of catch one of those plus a follow on show at a very small venue on LI a week later. Some of the best concerts I ever attended

1053 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:33:42am

re: #1048 bryantms

I'm just catching up on this, so forgive me if I missed something.

I certainly don't condone any of the comments at Michelle Malkin's website because I'm sure there's a bunch of wackos there. The same could be said for DailyKos. But I can't find any reason to connect a poem, written in 1875 and having been referenced many times by many different groups/organizations, with Timothy McVeigh. The commenter simply mentions that it "raises me up". Whatever that means...

The logic is as follows: If immoral person A likes Item X, and commenter B also likes Item X, then commenter B must also be immoral.

Now I haven't read the entire thread at mm.com because frankly I could give two shits what those folks have to say. There probably was some garbage in that thread, but this comment alone is not enough for me to indict.

How about this:

If you post overly dramatic and spooky poems about moderate health care reform, you open yourself to being gleefully mocked?

1054 peich  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:26:29pm

re: #1042 Rightwingconspirator

Exactly.

1055 stayfrosty  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:05:35am

re: #951 St. Louisville Cards


Charles,
Things like this post, feed just as much into some of the extremism you claim to hate so much. It does nothing to push us toward a proper dialog.

I totally agree. I've never heard anyone attempt to draw parallels between someone they disagree with politically and a domestic terrorist solely on the basis of poem usage. It's absolutely silly.

1056 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 24, 2010 11:01:11am

Right. Let's just forget the context -- that it was posted in a thread with dozens of other comments calling for civil war, joining militias, buying guns and ammo, etc.

It's much easier to dismiss if you pretend the comment was posted in a complete vacuum, all by itself.


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