Anti-abortion murderer Scott Roeder is going to spend at least the next 50 years in prison.
“The blood of babies is on your hands!” he yelled at prosecutors as bailiffs led him from the courtroom.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:12:53pm |
American legal system, F*** YEAH!
DEATH BY CELLULAR ATROPHY!
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darthstar Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:14:29pm |
If you ask me, he deserves an after-life sentence as well.
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What, me worry? Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:16:22pm |
I saw this earlier and for some reason, I thought he was already sentenced. Anyway, thank goodness.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:16:26pm |
re: #4 darthstar
If you ask me, he deserves an after-life sentence as well.
George Carlin had a bit about a guy serving two life sentences (paraphrasing)... "I feel sorry for the cellmate a few weeks after the first sentence is served..."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:17:44pm |
Would it be evil for me to say I hope he serves less than a year?
(know what I mean?)
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researchok Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:17:55pm |
Justice has been served.
There is no justification for what Roeder did. If in fact he really believed the drivel he spouted he would have allowed himself to be arrested immediately. He would not have run and tried to hide.
He knew what he did was wrong.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:18:09pm |
On a somewhat related topic, yesterday was the 5th anniversary of the "murder" of Terry Schiavo, as it is called in certain quarters. There were some postings in the religi-o-sphere about it, but not as much as I had anticipated.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:19:30pm |
re: #9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Would it be evil for me to say I hope he serves less than a year?
(know what I mean?)
Yes it would, but I suggest you say it, think about what you've said and hope you realize that having him serve out 49 of those years before dieing of some conditions caused by old age would be a much more cruel fate....
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:20:16pm |
re: #8 marjoriemoon
Does Kansas have the death penalty?
Yes, they get a tornado to drop a house on you.
They didn't want to make him a martyr.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:20:57pm |
re: #12 jamesfirecat
Yeah, but no thanks. I just want him dead.
More than that? I want him forgotten.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:22:09pm |
re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah, but no thanks. I just want him dead.
More than that? I want him forgotten.
things like this are best not forgotten IMO
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:22:11pm |
re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah, but no thanks. I just want him dead.
More than that? I want him forgotten.
True but you know what's worse than being dead and forgotten?
Being alive and being utterly forgotten! If you kill a man then you end his suffering imagine how it would feel to live for years and years all but immured in a super max facility!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:22:13pm |
re: #10 researchok
Justice has been served.
There is no justification for what Roeder did. If in fact he really believed the drivel he spouted he would have allowed himself to be arrested immediately. He would not have run and tried to hide.
He knew what he did was wrong.
Really... then why did American soldiers attempt to NOT get captured by Germans and Japanese in WWII? This guy firmly believed that he as doing g-d's will and he never for a minute thought that he did anything wrong.
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:22:21pm |
re: #12 jamesfirecat
After watching some of the prison stuff on the History Channel and NatGeo it would seem being locked away for 23 hours a day is much worse than having your life terminated. Of course if there is a hell and murderers get to spend eternity in a lake of boiling blood...
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:22:29pm |
Scumbag
50 +/- years in prison at $25K (or more) per year ($1,250,000 minimum)
1 lethal injection ,,,,, ($3 max)
just sayin
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:22:34pm |
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bratwurst Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:22:34pm |
re: #8 marjoriemoon
Does Kansas have the death penalty?
Yes, but it has not been used in spite of 10 inmates on death row.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:23:45pm |
re: #19 sattv4u2
Scumbag
50 +/- years in prison at $25K (or more) per year ($1,250,000 minimum)
1 lethal injection ,,, ($3 max)
just sayin
Priceless.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:24:10pm |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:24:54pm |
re: #19 sattv4u2
Scumbag
50 +/- years in prison at $25K (or more) per year ($1,250,000 minimum)
1 lethal injection ,,, ($3 max)
just sayin
Think again, if you're going to give someone the death penalty there have to be appeals and secondary trials up the whazoo just to make 100% certain he actually did it even in a case like this.
[Link: deathpenalty.procon.org...]
Its a complicated and difficult thing to calculate perfectly....
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albusteve Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:25:30pm |
re: #17 Walter L. Newton
Really... then why did American soldiers attempt to NOT get captured by Germans and Japanese in WWII? This guy firmly believed that he as doing g-d's will and he never for a minute thought that he did anything wrong.
seems to me he thought he was doing the right thing...good point
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:25:53pm |
re: #26 jamesfirecat
Think again, if you're going to give someone the death penalty there have to be appeals and secondary trials up the whazoo just to make 100% certain he actually did it even in a case like this.
[Link: deathpenalty.procon.org...]
Its a complicated and difficult thing to calculate perfectly...
as FBV stated, It's an no-win debate.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:27:02pm |
“The blood of babies is on your hands!” he yelled at prosecutors as bailiffs led him from the courtroom.
The Blood of George Tiller is on your hands Mr. Roeder, a man who was lawfully following his profession within and following the laws of this country and of his particular state.
After facing all of the numerous nuisance lawsuits against him that tried to shut him down or simply to hamper his practice and winning every one you decided that you had to substitute your judgment and morality for that of a judge and juries. He was tried under the law numerous times under the laws of this country by his peers and found not guilty, yet you pronounced your own personal death sentence, and based on what?
You stalked him and then shot him within his own Christian church during services and yet you still claim to be justified?
FU Zealot.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:27:11pm |
re: #28 sattv4u2
as FBV stated, It's an no-win debate.
Especially when another thread just opened up!
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Racer X Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:27:55pm |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:28:10pm |
re: #30 jamesfirecat
Especially when another thread just opened up!
wouldn't matter. This one could go into quadruple digit posts and It's an no-win debate. STILL would be valid
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albusteve Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:28:28pm |
re: #21 bratwurst
Yes, but it has not been used in spite of 10 inmates on death row.
termination is a very expensive process...appeals in CA can go on literally forever
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Lidane Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:30:02pm |
re: #10 researchok
Justice has been served.
Yeah, this.
He won't ever be free, and he won't become a martyr for the cause. That works for me.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:30:05pm |
re: #32 sattv4u2
wouldn't matter. This one could go into quadruple digit posts and It's an no-win debate. STILL would be valid
Wow, way to take my joke way too seriously. Guess I've been spending too much time playing DOW II and not enough time at LGF recently....
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:30:18pm |
re: #33 albusteve
I was down in Florida when Bundy was executed. He'd been on death row for 14 years!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:30:25pm |
I hope today marks a significant day, in the start of the healing process for Dr. Tiller's family. The other one, is not worthy of notice.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:32:44pm |
re: #19 sattv4u2
Scumbag
50 +/- years in prison at $25K (or more) per year ($1,250,000 minimum)
1 lethal injection ,,, ($3 max)
just sayin
You're ignoring the difference that legal appeals processes and capital case court costs add to the administrative expenses associated with running a death row system. These make it demonstrably the more expensive way to go:
“The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.”
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albusteve Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:33:02pm |
re: #36 pingjockey
I was down in Florida when Bundy was executed. He'd been on death row for 14 years!
exactly...nobody wants to do the dirty deed...alot of taxpayer money goes into endless appeals
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palomino Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:34:03pm |
A quick scan through comments at other sites shows quite a few people think Roeder's actions were justified because of the savings (in unborn lives) that will accrue.
Following such "logic", who else might they justify killing in order to save lives, or to save America? Screw them.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:34:12pm |
re: #38 goddamnedfrank
You're ignoring the difference that legal appeals processes and capital case court costs add to the administrative expenses
No I'm not. i'm all in favor of an appeals process. But what it has transformed into is a cluster fuck, and the lawyers know it
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albusteve Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:34:52pm |
re: #38 goddamnedfrank
I read where 11% of CAs budget is tied up with the penal system...could be wrong, but it's an enormous amt of money
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:36:17pm |
re: #33 albusteve
termination is a very expensive process...appeals in CA can go on literally forever
We do get there eventually.
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palomino Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:37:06pm |
re: #17 Walter L. Newton
Really... then why did American soldiers attempt to NOT get captured by Germans and Japanese in WWII? This guy firmly believed that he as doing g-d's will and he never for a minute thought that he did anything wrong.
Isn't every soldier trained to avoid capture? I don't think Roeder went to basic training to learn to kill abortion doctors.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:37:36pm |
re: #4 darthstar
If you ask me, he deserves an after-life sentence as well.
If he does not repent, he will get one.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:41:05pm |
re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah, but no thanks. I just want him dead.
More than that? I want him forgotten.
I'm also tired of the stentorian resonance of referring to murderers by all three of their names. "Mark David Chapman", et al. Yes, let this creep be locked away and forgotten.
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b_sharp Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:41:54pm |
re: #27 albusteve
re: #17 Walter L. Newton
Really... then why did American soldiers attempt to NOT get captured by Germans and Japanese in WWII? This guy firmly believed that he as doing g-d's will and he never for a minute thought that he did anything wrong.
seems to me he thought he was doing the right thing...good point
No matter what he felt about the murder, he ran because he knew society would consider what he did illegal.
American soldiers were told, and believed, that they should kill as many bad guys as possible which meant survival and freedom were paramount.
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What, me worry? Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:46:40pm |
re: #19 sattv4u2
Scumbag
50 +/- years in prison at $25K (or more) per year ($1,250,000 minimum)
1 lethal injection ,,, ($3 max)
just sayin
Your sure about that $25k number? Actually, since he won't be eligible for parole for 50+ years (he'll be dead by then), it's cheaper than death row. Most prisoners sit on death penalty for about 25 years before they're executed and most of that time, they'll have a few parole chances. That cost the state even more.
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:52:07pm |
re: #48 marjoriemoon
I'd think it's more than 25k a year to keep someone in prison. Factor in food, medical, guards time, etc...25k might be low. It's way more expensive to house someone on death row IIRC.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:54:39pm |
re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah, but no thanks. I just want him dead.
More than that? I want him forgotten.
Consider:
If he gets a date with the needle, he'll lay on a table for a few minutes before going to sleep. Even if the anti-lethal-injection lobby are right (and I suspect they may be), the worst he'll have is a couple of minutes of admittedly exquisite distress, followed by... an eternity of the exact same situation he was in during the reign of King Henry VIII, and for exactly the same reason.
Remember how rough YOU had it back in those days?
Most people do not want to die. However, I firmly believe that those same people, if given the choice between a relatively quick death vs. 40 or 50+ uninterrupted years of repetitive, monotonous, unchanging life in PMITA Hell-Hole Prison... they would probably choose death.
I am against the death penalty because 1) if mistakenly applied, it cannot be rectified, and 2) it is actually the less punitive option for the truly guilty.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:54:51pm |
re: #8 marjoriemoon
Does Kansas have the death penalty?
IMO, a life sentence is better than the death penalty. More suffering is involved for the likes of this guy.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:01:48pm |
re: #48 marjoriemoon
Your sure about that $25k number? Actually, since he won't be eligible for parole for 50+ years (he'll be dead by then), it's cheaper than death row. Most prisoners sit on death penalty for about 25 years before they're executed and most of that time, they'll have a few parole chances. That cost the state even more.
I don't advocate that every capital criminal recieve the death penalty. I think it should be reserved for especially egregious and vile acts
Charles Manson
Timothy Mcveigh
KSM
and yes, this piece of filth
In those cases, I could care less if it cost a dollar or a gazillion a year to keep them incarcerated or a
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What, me worry? Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:04:04pm |
re: #50 pingjockey
I'd think it's more than 25k a year to keep someone in prison. Factor in food, medical, guards time, etc...25k might be low. It's way more expensive to house someone on death row IIRC.
Well I guess it's a state thing, yes?
[Link: www.dc.state.fl.us...]
2. How much does it cost to incarcerate an inmate for a year?In Fiscal Year 2008-09, it cost $18,980 a year or $52.00 a day to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide medical services for an inmate at any state facility, and $15,443 to do so at a prison for adult males, which are the majority of individuals incarcerated in the Florida state prison system.
As said above, it gets more costly with appeals.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:11:00pm |
re: #50 pingjockey
It also costs a lot more to treat cancer than a cold.
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:13:14pm |
re: #56 negativ
Oh yeah. I have first hand experience with that one.
To cut prison costs here's my idea, take all child molestors up to Adak Isl. the navy used it for years. Dump 'em off and once a month drop them MREs.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:16:39pm |
re: #54 marjoriemoon
I think in order to reduce $ spent on prisoners, a complete overhaul needs to be done: stop incarcerating nonviolent offenders. Sink 'em to the bottom of the ocean with endless community service. Give drug addicts rehab. Job training. Give them reasons NOT to be criminals again. Of course, I don't think pot smokers should ever serve any time whatsoever (unless they actually did something violent *while* stoned). Just my .02 yen.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:19:31pm |
re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote
DF you summoned me?
Actually, check the next thread. There's a article I posted about a chapel made from materials from the Breghof, Hitler's Bavarian home. I thought it worth of your commentary. It's post #89.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:22:24pm |
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:26:53pm |
re: #61 negativ
Cancer. Had/have squamous cell carcinoma in my throat and lymph nodes. After chemo, radiation, and surgery we think(pray) we've got it all.
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austin_blue Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:43:53pm |
Good. Well earned! Premeditated murder motivated by "morality" is premeditated murder. Otherwise I could walk into the convenience store run by Pakistanis down the street and gun them down because I believed they were "terrorists" and were a clear and present danger to my 'Hood.
He's a stone cold killer. He deserves to die in prison.
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PaxAmericana Fri, Apr 2, 2010 7:41:39am |
Could have been worse. He could have quoted Invictus.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 2, 2010 9:05:01am |
re: #64 PaxAmericana
Could have been worse. He could have quoted Invictus.
You mean he could have quoted "Invictus," the last words of Timothy McVeigh, in a Michelle Malkin comment thread full of support for armed revolution and militias, like the comment I pointed out a few days ago?
It's pretty pathetic how people insist on ignoring the context for these kinds of things.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Fri, Apr 2, 2010 9:16:41am |
I was listening to Roeder as he spoke at his sentencing. He rambled on about the methods used for abortion, and quoted from a book from some other anti-abortion terrorist (in my words), Paul Hill (I believe that's the name), who was executed in Florida for murdering an abortion provider. What was chilling to me was that he believed that "God's law" trumps all of "man's laws", saying that it was "God's law" that compelled him to murder Tiller. He also tried to justify shooting Tiller at his house of worship by saying that the church was a "House of Satan" for accepting Tiller.
He then tried to put the blame of Tiller's murder on the state for not prosecuting him. The fucker even ask the judge to follow "God's law" in overturning the jury's verdict and let him go. Thankfully, the judge didn't go along with it and gave him the "hard 50", that is, he'll be eligible for parole in 50 years, at about the ripe old age of 102, if my memory serves me correctly. Glad he won't see freedom for, effectively, the rest of his life.
While I am personally against abortion, I am also for women to choose what they do with their bodies, as I believe it's not my damn business what they do with it as long as it is within the bounds of the law, and as abortion is the law of the land, that's fine with me.
I hope Tiller's family will get some form of closure from this and that Tiller's soul is in peace.
I also hope his fellow church-goers get some solstice after having to witness his cold-blooded murder.
Fuck you, Roeder.
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KansasMom Fri, Apr 2, 2010 9:27:10am |
I just hope they are able to keep Roeder away from any publicity or press while he's locked up. Don't need to more of his crap to shoe up on ebay.
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unsavoryagent Fri, Apr 2, 2010 10:48:10am |
re: #65 Charles
You mean he could have quoted "Invictus," the last words of Timothy McVeigh, in a Michelle Malkin comment thread full of support for armed revolution and militias, like the comment I pointed out a few days ago?
It's pretty pathetic how people insist on ignoring the context for these kinds of things.
Here's hoping he doesn't write out "The Raven" I like that one, and would hate to have it ruined forever.
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