Video: The Ron Paul Wedge

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This is some pretty extraordinary video, as the audience at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference boos their own speakers.

In the first part of the clip, Mike Pence is booed by Ron Paul supporters for saying, “America stands with Israel.”

In the second part, Ron Paul gets going with his isolationist wackiness while the non-Paulian conservatives hoot and scream at him. Whoa! You mean Ron Paul is an anti-war libertarian?! Who knew?

It’s a pathetic picture of a party in utter disarray.

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1 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:43:58pm

Its civil war between the Theocrats and the Libetarians.


Excuse me waiter I need some more popcorn, this tub is empty!

2 jayzee  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:47:32pm

Paul should have been ousted by the R a long time ago. I still believe that the rest of the party's issue will resolve themselves, IF it cleanses itself of this libertarian, racist, isolationist, conspiracy believing wing.

3 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:48:01pm

What a zoo.

4 Cokezero  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:48:35pm

The problem is, Ron Paul is just a state's rights theocrat. Hes not really a libertarian.

5 albusteve  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:49:32pm

like a hockey game without the hockey....but rally I don't mind the hooting and hollering, just people expressing themselves

6 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:49:46pm

With respect. Charles, I disagree. The GOP is stuck with those Paulians right now and its producing faction disputes, but that is not "utter disarray" in my opinion.

7 pharmmajor  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:50:18pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

Its civil war between the Theocrats and the Libetarians.

Well, hopefully the Libertarians will win.

8 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:51:02pm

Collateral Murder? Wikileaks, Soldiers Speak

The leaker is a guy named Josh Stieber. Seems to be a lefty.

9 Stonemason  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:51:10pm
It’s a pathetic picture of a party in utter disarray.

Here's hoping that the disarray devolves into in-fighting that excises the racists and the theocrats, although I am not holding my breath.

10 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:51:12pm

re: #7 pharmmajor

Well, hopefully the Libertarians will win.

Damn, it's like having to chose between the Trade Federation and the "Republic."

11 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:51:39pm

re: #7 pharmmajor

Well, hopefully the Libertarians will win.

Excuse me for hopping the two sides utterly destroy each other and the sane people can emerge from their bunkers and retake control of the Republican Party...

12 albusteve  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:51:44pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

With respect. Charles, I disagree. The GOP is stuck with those Paulians right now and its producing faction disputes, but that is not "utter disarray" in my opinion.

we'll see in a few months what this all means....Pauls isolationism doesn't bother me near as much as his association with the JBS

13 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:55:28pm

re: #12 albusteve

we'll see in a few months what this all means...Pauls isolationism doesn't bother me near as much as his association with the JBS

The thing is that those are linked. The JBS has always had a very strong isolationist streak.

14 albusteve  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:58:43pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that those are linked. The JBS has always had a very strong isolationist streak.

isolationism is a legit notion, certainly predating the JBS....I take this stuff at it's face value, but just because you cause overlaps that of some racists organization, doesn't mean you endorse that organization

15 pharmmajor  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:59:36pm

re: #11 jamesfirecat

Excuse me for hopping the two sides utterly destroy each other and the sane people can emerge from their bunkers and retake control of the Republican Party...

Well, the Libertarians are the more sane IMO, though we still have our share of kooks I'll admit.

16 steve_davis  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:00:40pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

Its civil war between the Theocrats and the Libetarians.

Excuse me waiter I need some more popcorn, this tub is empty!

"Excuse me waiter, but Grover Norquist seems to have drowned the government in this popcorn tub."

17 darthstar  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:00:51pm

It's not disarray...it's a Republican ropey-dope. I'm certain they know what they're doing.

18 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:01:07pm

Wedge as in "wedgie"?

Given this laughable mess, I guess we're no longer talking about a phalanx.

Although I suspect some phalangists might be involved.

19 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:03:43pm

Good catch, Charles. This is fascinating.

20 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:05:22pm

re: #9 Stonemason

Here's hoping that the disarray devolves into in-fighting that excises the racists and the theocrats, although I am not holding my breath.

Not holding mine either.
What's more likely is that they will become more firmly entrenched, with all the "RINOs" being kicked out.
Ugh.

21 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:07:04pm

re: #18 Cato the Elder

Wedge as in "wedgie"?

Given this laughable mess, I guess we're no longer talking about a phalanx.

Although I suspect some phalangists might be involved.

They certainly lack the flexibility of the Roman Legions. Scipio would not be impressed, nor would Pompey Magnus.

22 freetoken  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:07:44pm

re: #9 Stonemason

The "religious right" has been an important part of the GOP coalition for over 30 years now. It is unlikely they will be diminished, though frankly the GOP hasn't delivered much on their agenda.

23 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:09:37pm

I apologize for going OT, however, I have just come across three short videos that I truly believe that everyone needs to see. All together, this is like 20 minutes of your time. Please watch them.

The first video is from AAAS, the American Association for the Advancement of Science. AAAS is one of the flagship scientific organizations of America and for that matter the world. They publish the journal Science.

They have a video that does not mince words or pull punches about AGW and it tells you what you can do. If you want a real, this is what the scientists are begging you to hear, video with an unshakable pedigree, this is it.

Youtube Video

The second video (in two parts) is from National Geographic. It goes into what happens when you raise the temperature by one degree, then two, then three all the way out to six degrees.

If you want to see what that world looks like, then watch these videos. Again, the science is sound and there are no punches pulled. Seeing it visualized is perhaps much more "real" for many than looking at graphs and inferring things from data. This is the stark reality.

Part one

Youtube Video

Part two

Youtube Video

Please watch these.

24 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:10:20pm

re: #17 darthstar

I don't think the RNC has ever been this fractious. RedState banned Paulians at their site. Yet, here he is.

25 freetoken  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:12:30pm

re: #24 prairiefire

The RedState types have yet to reconcile their supposed disdain for Ron Paul with their love of everything FoxNews, Sarah Palin, etc.

Are the RedStaters so dense as not to realize that Sarah Palin was/is buds with the Alaska Independence Party, which is tight with the Paulians?

26 Vambo  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:14:32pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Collateral Murder? Wikileaks, Soldiers Speak

The leaker is a guy named Josh Stieber. Seems to be a lefty.

Great post. The lefty response to the videos makes me gag, but not as much as police-state apologism coming from scant few brave right wingers.

27 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:15:45pm

This is awkward......

Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

Liveleak Video

I'm guessing the black guy was not a Tea Partier.

28 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:17:16pm

re: #26 Vambo

Great post. The lefty response to the videos makes me gag, but not as much as police-state apologism coming from scant few brave right wingers.

I also wonder if he might find himself in legal trouble. He's out of the service but they still might go after him.

29 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:17:59pm

re: #25 freetoken

The RedState poster, Achance, has been employed by the state of Alaska in a couple of different jobs. He does not like Sarah because she bit the hand that fed her and purged some of his republican buddies from office in the name of "reform".
Her opportunistic streak bugs him. Achance has hardly said a word about Todd's AIP allegiance.

30 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:19:43pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Goddammit, I checked that in preview before I posted.

Here's a direct link: Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

An interesting conversation.

31 Vambo  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:19:59pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I also wonder if he might find himself in legal trouble. He's out of the service but they still might go after him.

was he the one who leaked the video?

Honestly, I was surprised when I saw this video and how sensationalized it was; of all the memories that have led to me change my mind about war, having my friends tell me what they saw on this July day isn’t even on the list.

that's pretty much what I would figure to hear from a soldier, and it's very telling.

32 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:20:19pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

This is awkward...

Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

[Video]

I'm guessing the black guy was not a Tea Partier.

With tea bags hanging from his ears.

33 Vambo  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:21:38pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

This is awkward...

Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

[Video]I'm guessing the black guy was not a Tea Partier.

why do hate state's rights?

34 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:22:05pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Goddammit, I checked that in preview before I posted.

Here's a direct link: Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

An interesting conversation.

Ha! He's a birther too!

35 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:23:17pm

Why do we need a two-party system, again? Maybe there are good reasons for it, I dunno. I think I'd rather have eleventy different parties that only differ in relatively small ways than have two parties where the sane people in each party have to cater to and try to garner the support of the extremist loons.

36 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:24:06pm

re: #32 Charles

Dude, it gets better as it goes along. Lincoln was a thief! I'm still watching.

37 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:24:58pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Dude, it gets better as it goes along. Lincoln was a thief! I'm still watching.

Which tea party was this, do you know?

38 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:25:27pm

re: #32 Charles

With tea bags hanging from his ears.

I apologize for pushing this, but I am begging you to make those videos in #23 into a thread. I honestly believe that if people *see* what is going on and hear scientists saying hundreds of millions and billions of deaths, it will make a real difference.

Please, I am begging you.

39 Racer X  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:25:55pm

The Astounding World of the Future

Youtube Video
40 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:26:05pm

He's a Truther too. Good grief.

41 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:26:30pm

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

I apologize for pushing this, but I am begging you to make those videos in #23 into a thread. I honestly believe that if people *see* what is going on and hear scientists saying hundreds of millions and billions of deaths, it will make a real difference.

Please, I am begging you.

I'll check them out, don't worry.

42 Alexzander  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:26:50pm

re: #35 negativ

Why do we need a two-party system, again? Maybe there are good reasons for it, I dunno. I think I'd rather have eleventy different parties that only differ in relatively small ways than have two parties where the sane people in each party have to cater to and try to garner the support of the extremist loons.

Multiple parties seem to work well enough in Canada and Israel. Although in Canada there can be some oscillations; the left is split green/NDP/Liberal while the right is united under the conservatives.

Recently in British Columbia there was an attempt to move to a preferential voting system (I cant remember the name of the exact option advocated). It helps make sense of a plurality of parties.

43 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:27:02pm

re: #37 Charles

I'm guessing Georgia or Alabama from the accents. There was a new round of Tea Parties today but I'm not sure how old this video is.

44 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:27:55pm

re: #32 Charles

With tea bags hanging from his ears.

And my response:

Youtube Video
45 stevemcg  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:28:28pm

I don't think mainstream Republicans have realized the danger that Rush, Beck, etc. pose to the Republican Party. I'm sure the RNCC appreciates the way the base is all worked up, but they were worked up on October 2008 too. A temporary House majority isn't going to get them a whole lot. Obama's going to have big coattails again in '12. As far as people hoping the wingnuts will leave the Republican Party, there's nowhere for the wingnuts to go. Somebody's got to pull these peple away from the rail and get into their grills and say "What's the matter with you? These guys you're litening to aren't gonna lead you anywhere."

Ah what's the use

46 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:29:48pm

re: #41 Charles

I'll check them out, don't worry.

Thank you.

47 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:29:51pm

The "Taking Our Country Back" show was in KC today. This is an interview with Karl Rove:[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
FYI~I'm not giving it back without a brawl.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:29:54pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Goddammit, I checked that in preview before I posted.

Here's a direct link: Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

An interesting conversation.

Jesus.

49 Alexzander  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:29:56pm

The voting system I was trying to remember is the STV orsingle transferable vote. It didn't pass, and wasn't perfect but its still an interesting for encouraging a true diversity of political viewpoints.

50 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:30:22pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Goddammit, I checked that in preview before I posted.

Here's a direct link: Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

An interesting conversation.

It was because of tariffs!
/

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:31:13pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Dude, it gets better as it goes along. Lincoln was a thief! I'm still watching.

Tell me any highlights. I can't stand any more of this. I'm amazed at how polite the people arguing with him are.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:32:09pm

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

Tell me any highlights. I can't stand any more of this. I'm amazed at how polite the people arguing with him are.

I got two minutes and fifty seconds in, and that is plenty, thank you.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:33:57pm

re: #50 Alouette

It was because of tariffs!
/

Then he should be informed that if he intended to push his secessionist agenda, we intend to hand him as high as Haman.

/Channeling Andrew Jackson

54 Gus  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:34:11pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

This is awkward...

Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

[Video]I'm guessing the black guy was not a Tea Partier.

What racism? The revealing part is not when he was talking about the Civil War but afterwards beginning with Martin Luther King.

55 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:35:09pm

re: #50 Alouette

It was because of tariffs!
/

I said it before and I will say it again.

When some Confederacy apologist complains about tariffs as a cause of the civil war, it is akin to an ex nazi complaining that the Swiss won't give him that gold either.

Those tarrifs impacted income from brutal and hideous chattel slave labor that benefitted only the slave owning South. To get up in arms about protecting the right of elitist slave owners to brutally exploit and degrade other humans - particularly as a non slave owner, is especially confusing.

However, we see that parallel today in the GOP, where people go out and scream for the rights of insurance companies to rape them. It truly is a strange inversion of the French Revolution. Only this time the angry and ignorant peasant class is taking to the streets demanding more power to the aristocracy.

56 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:35:41pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus.

Press 2 for Spanish.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:37:16pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Press 2 for Spanish.

Jesús.

58 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:37:43pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Dude, it gets better as it goes along. Lincoln was a thief! I'm still watching.

That ain't better! I can't stand Neo-Confederates. If that guy is from Georgia, it seems he's in need of reminding about what happened when his ilk decided to true conclusions with Abraham Lincoln. To that end:

Youtube Video
59 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:37:45pm

Republican Mike Pence tells the Washington Post "I take John Lewis's word':[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
If there is a lizard in Pence's district, send him some props!

60 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:38:36pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

Brilliant exchange!

61 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:39:08pm

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

Tell me any highlights.


There's too much to summarize. The South freed slaves before the North, Lincoln was a douche, Obama doesn't have a Nirth Cert, MLK wasn't nice, etc. Kinda like the Glenn Beck show with a southern accent.

62 Sea Salt  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:40:31pm

Forgive me in advance, but is it "isolationist wackiness" to want to scale down US military involvement in so many countries in the world? I'm Canadian, so I don't have a vote and I respect what is the American people's business. But if I was a Yank, I'd be damn tired of spending lives and billions of dollars putting out every fire in the world.

63 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:41:54pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Goddammit, I checked that in preview before I posted.

Here's a direct link: Confederate Flag Bearer at Tea Party

An interesting conversation.

I am just in awe of the black guy's patience and self control.

64 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:42:00pm

re: #62 Sea Salt

I'm Canadian, so I don't have a vote and I respect what is the American people's business. But if I was a Yank, I'd be damn tired of spending lives and billions of dollars putting out every fire in the world.


Shut yer bacon hole before we invade your ass.
/Just kidding

65 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:43:08pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Shut yer bacon hole before we invade your ass.
/Just kidding

Blame Canada!

/South Park reference

66 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:44:30pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ha! He's a birther too!

And a troofer!

67 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:45:23pm

Does the phrase "America stands with Israel" mean something different to isolationist Republicans than it does to the bipartisan oil whores?

68 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:46:52pm

re: #62 Sea Salt

Really, the costs sometimes become mute due to partisan wrangling. I'm afraid we yanks also have short attention spans. That recovery is just around the corner!/

69 shiplord kirel  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:50:44pm

Ron Paul is a true jackass, so much so that the has to steal misleading propaganda tropes rather than invent his own. His claim that we have forces in "135 countries" (or some similar astounding number) is an old chestnut of the left and is reached only by counting the embassy guards who are present in nearly every sovereign country with which he have relations. By this standard, sure enough, Iran and China are already under US occupation.

Countries with actual US bases, as opposed to the embassy guards, exchange missions, advisory teams, and (for all I know) vacationing ROTC students who are counted in Paulian/lefty joint propaganda:

USA (duh!)
Afghanistan
Australia (Pine Gap)
Bahrain
Bulgaria
Colombia
Djibouti
Greece
Greenland
Iraq
Israel (Negev anti-missile system)
Italy
Japan
South Korea
Kosovo
Kyrgistan
Netherlands
Portugal
Turkey
UK

That's 21, Ron, not 135.
The Wikipedia article also lists Guam (which is part of the USA) and the uninhabited British Indian Ocean Territory separately from their parent countries. They are "overseas" of course, but careless, ignorant, or plainly malfeasant propaganda gatherers will inevitably count them as additional countries.

70 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:57:16pm

re: #62 Sea Salt

Forgive me in advance, but is it "isolationist wackiness" to want to scale down US military involvement in so many countries in the world? I'm Canadian, so I don't have a vote and I respect what is the American people's business. But if I was a Yank, I'd be damn tired of spending lives and billions of dollars putting out every fire in the world.

Thinking Canadians know that US foreign policy in general, and support for Israel in particular, is firmly based on US self-interest, which still includes support for pro-US democracies.
BTW, Canada's Conservative government currently has a stronly pro-Israel policy, which is driving the NDP socialists and many Liberals crazy.

71 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:58:46pm

Well you just need to understand that we are willing to go to war with anyone, anywhere, and for any flimsy reason we are told, unless it might be considered Zionist aggression that is...

After all we have to be very careful about that, we should have learned our lesson after being dragged into both World Wars, Korea, and Vietnam by the evil war profiteering Jews, right?

/or so the Laup Nor supporters tell me anyhow...

72 Dom  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 3:53:56pm

Not sure why I hadn't noticed his style of bundling up arguments before now, switching mid-flow from a dud argument to a more popular point - his determination to get a result doesn't stem from a transparent place.


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