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1 Kragar  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:42:52am

Remember, its only a small portion of the ocean, nothing to be concerned about.

2 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:46:00am

So far so good, no sign of rupture or leak from the line they are injecting into. The leak cam showed about half mud, half oil/gas escaping.

Should things hold, they will likely increase the flow past the 2,000 gallons of mud per minute that they planned to start with.

3 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:46:26am

Repost from prior thread:

Gulf Oil Spill Update:

The current leak is estimated at 5,000 barrels a day, which is 150 gallons per minute.

The Mud will be initially injected at 50 barrels per minute from the HOS Centerline, which is 2,000 gallons per minute. There is a second mud tanker, the M/V Blue Dolphin which can deliver mud at 80 bpm, so there is plenty of flow and pressure capacity available for the task at hand.

It will, of course, partially come squirting out the top of the riser with the oil/gas mixture. However, as the BOP appears to be throttling down the leak to the present 5,000 b/pd, the mud will also be throttled, thus, the only other route is down the hole, as intended. Short of a rupture that is.

They will most likely start with 16.4 lb/gal mud, about twice the weight of the sea-water which is about 8.7 lb/gal at that salinity. Once the column of mud in the well is deep enough, the hydrostatic pressure will be enough to hold down the oil/gas.

But keep in mind, mud at this pressure can erode metal, this could open the hole in the BOP wider allowing more gas, oil and mud out the top. Worse, it could destroy the choke and kill lines, or other bits internally. Or it could over-pressurize the BOP, Wellhead, and the bits bellow the surface leading to an worse problem. We don't know how much they have already been damaged by all the sand blasting through and the blow-out itself.

I'm still 50/50 on this working. But I note our Austin_Blue gives it no chance of success, and he has direct field experience as a well-head engineer.

4 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:46:45am

Ugh. So what's plan C? (Plan A being don't let this happen in the first place, and plan B being a top kill.)

I have a feeling I won't like plan C.

5 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:46:56am

take only pictures, leave only footprints. And 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of oil.

6 Kragar  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:48:11am

re: #4 Fozzie Bear

Ugh. So what's plan C? (Plan A being don't let this happen in the first place, and plan B being a top kill.)

I have a feeling I won't like plan C.

I say we try jamming the pipe with Senior BP executives until the oil stops.

7 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:48:43am

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I say we try jamming the pipe with Senior BP executives until the oil stops.

Eh, I imagine they'd find a way to slip outta it.

8 Digital Display  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:48:46am

Please make this work...Today may God be our co-pilot..

9 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:48:56am

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I say we try jamming the pipe with Senior BP executives until the oil stops.

Sounds like a most satisfying plan from my perspective.

10 darthstar  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:49:05am

re: #4 Fozzie Bear

Ugh. So what's plan C? (Plan A being don't let this happen in the first place, and plan B being a top kill.)

I have a feeling I won't like plan C.

Plan C is to watch the food chain lose its first few links, and then see how that translates up to us.

11 researchok  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:49:37am

If we had a sane and comprehensive nuclear energy policy, we wouldn't have to be drilling for oil and gas on any great scale.

12 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:49:50am

re: #4 Fozzie Bear

Ugh. So what's plan C? (Plan A being don't let this happen in the first place, and plan B being a top kill.)

I have a feeling I won't like plan C.

Plan C is to cut off the riser above the BOP and mate a containment dome that is sitting on the sea-bed. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

13 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:50:18am

re: #10 darthstar

Plan C is to watch the food chain lose its first few links, and then see how that translates up to us.

Being at the top of the food chain means never having to say you're sorry.

14 darthstar  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:51:25am

Cool...they're zooming out...

15 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:51:28am

They are zooming out, looking for new leaks in the BOP. I'd love to see a little fish swim by and look at the camera.

16 Fozzie Bear  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:51:35am

re: #13 JasonA

Being at the top of the food chain means never having to say you're sorry.

It also means no matter where you shit, you will have to eat it later.

17 MrSilverDragon  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:52:13am

re: #15 Bagua

They are zooming out, looking for new leaks in the BOP. I'd love to see a little fish swim by and look at the camera.

I would too, if any are left alive...

18 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:52:34am

re: #16 Fozzie Bear

It also means no matter where you shit, you will have to eat it later.

Yeah, but something else gets to do that first.

19 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:53:12am

Transwestern Share price is up $1.82 today, BP up $0.05.

Cameron is up $1.30 (they made the BOP)

20 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:53:28am

re: #13 JasonA

Being at the top of the food chain means never having to say you're sorry.

If we keep fucking things up like this, we're gonna end up with a lateral food chain.

21 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:53:49am

re: #17 MrSilverDragon

I would too, if any are left alive...

They are fine, the oil is rising near the leak, not sinking.

22 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:54:09am

re: #17 MrSilverDragon

I would too, if any are left alive...

I can die of laughter if it's one of these: Image: 475491-SimpsonsFish.jpg

23 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:54:47am

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

If we keep fucking things up like this, we're gonna end up with a lateral food chain.

No spoiler warning?!? :P

24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:55:38am

re: #23 JasonA

Oops, my bad. Sorry. :(
/

25 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:57:19am

Even if it is working, mud will still flow out the riser leak until they stop pumping, but we should stop seeing the reddish Oil, just the black mud.

26 Digital Display  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:58:42am

OK Lizards..It's community day at the Indy 500 race track...Today they will let you get in line and drive a lap around the track...That's right I will always be able to brag that May 2010 I took a hot lap around the most famous race track in the World...With Winston hanging his head out the window..
BBL

27 sattv4u2  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:58:43am

re: #22 JasonA

I can die of laughter if it's one of these: Image: 475491-SimpsonsFish.jpg

Or this

Image: fathead-fish.jpg

I think the species Is Jimmicus Durantius

28 allegro  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:58:47am

I keep seeing that 5,000 gallon/day number. This interview with a FSU Oil Ecosystems Oceanographer may be enlightening to a more realistic estimate.

But then, as we kept examing satelite photos, it was clear it had to be more. So we started telling reporters to ask BP to release the videos and eventually Congressman Markey (D-MA) got the video. For some reason, they thought nobody would be able to analyze it. NOAA accepted BP’s spin and didn’t use the video. But then Steve Wereley from Purdue and Tim Crone from Lamont Douherty (Columbia) were able to rigourously analyze the video using trusted techniques and they came up with 70,000 barrels. There are 42 gallons in a barrel so that comes to 2,940,000 gallons a day. That's one Exxon Valdez every three or four days."

29 Bagua  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:59:23am

Man, we need pressure readings! Kenneth, what's the frequency?

30 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:00:00pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops
Yay for the lap, but don't let Winston hang his widdle head out of the window!! Thwak!

31 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:00:21pm

re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth

Oops, my bad. Sorry. :(
/

That reminds of something funny. If you paid attention during the movie's trailer, which a made a big thing of the soylent green mystery, they show bodybags coming out of a machine.

32 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:02:43pm

Anagram for Top Kill: Ilk Plot.

Hmm...

33 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:03:13pm

re: #31 JasonA
Anyone seen the new series

V

?
If so, did the lizards land here to use people for food?

34 truth stick  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:03:43pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

OK Lizards..It's community day at the Indy 500 race track...Today they will let you get in line and drive a lap around the track...That's right I will always be able to brag that May 2010 I took a hot lap around the most famous race track in the World...With Winston hanging his head out the window..
BBL

nice.....how's the weather forecast for the weekend, going to be dry and get everything run without interuptions? GoGo Helio :)

35 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:05:10pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops
...Indy 500 Insurance disclaimer (732 pages)!!
..."hello Mr.H.H.,Sign here,here,here, here,here,here,here,
here,here,here,here,......and...HERE!"
Drive safely!!
Right on! That's cool!

36 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:05:17pm

re: #33 tradewind

Anyone seen the new series

?
If so, did the lizards land here to use people for food?

We don't know for sure yet. I honestly can't tell you why I'm watching that show. I don't think it's that good. The episode where they blow up the shuttle made my head shut down thanks to the ridiculous plot hole no one apparently thought about.

37 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:06:11pm

re: #32 JasonA
I liked kilt pol.... as in DOA campaigner....

38 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:06:59pm

Where are Haldeman and Ehrichman when you really need them?

39 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:07:01pm

re: #37 tradewind

See, my first thought was of a Scottish candidate.

40 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:07:13pm

Can't they drill a hole from China and fix it from the bottom?

41 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:07:21pm

re: #36 JasonA
I just wanted to see what Elizabeth Mitchell was up to after Lost. Now it's turned into one of those cheesey campy guilty pleasure things.

42 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:08:05pm

re: #38 Spare O'Lake
Making oil.
In a sense......

43 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:08:11pm

re: #40 cliffster

Thanks Pinky!! LOL

44 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:10:16pm

re: #36 JasonA
I have to hand it to them... the actress they found to play Anna couldn't be more reptilian.

45 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:10:17pm

re: #43 reloadingisnotahobby

Thanks Pinky!! LOL

Are you pondering what I'm pondering, Pinky?

I think so, Brain, but if they called them "Sad Meals," children wouldn't want to eat them.

46 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:10:43pm

re: #41 tradewind

I just wanted to see what Elizabeth Mitchell was up to after Lost. Now it's turned into one of those cheesey campy guilty pleasure things.

Morena Baccarrin is doing a great job of making me think of her as the creepiest woman ever.

47 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:12:39pm

Holy Godwin, Batman!

Top Social Conservative: Hitler Used Gay Soldiers Because They Had 'No Limits'

A top official with a leading social conservative group recently laid out the view that Adolf Hitler deliberately recruited gays to be his "enforcers," because they had "no limits" to "the savagery and brutality they were willing to inflict."

During a radio broadcast, Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association explained:

48 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:12:53pm

Why aren't they showing the pipe with the leak anymore?

49 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:14:08pm

This guy doing the commentary on CNN is a complete idiot. He's babbling like a chimp. Holy cow, it's like watching an SNL episode.

50 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:14:12pm

This is about as exciting as watching Wolf Blitzer.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:14:14pm

Art Linkletter Dies at 97

Art Linkletter (born Gordon Arthur Kelly July 17, 1912 - May 26, 2010) was a television and radio personality best known for hit shows like 'Kids Say the Darnedest Things.' Find more Art Linkletter pictures, news and information below.

RIP

52 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:15:29pm

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

Art Linkletter Dies at 97


RIP


Grew up watching that man!!
RIP indeed!

53 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:15:49pm

re: #49 cliffster

This guy doing the commentary on CNN is a complete idiot. He's babbling like a chimp. Holy cow, it's like watching an SNL episode.

I could've sworn I heard that guy say, "How far from below that wellhead do you have to pump that semen."

54 MrSilverDragon  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:17:11pm

re: #53 JasonA

I could've sworn I heard that guy say, "How far from below that wellhead do you have to pump that semen."

The prostate, clearly.

55 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:17:33pm

re: #53 JasonA

Ah, that was Bill Nelson. He pronounces cement with a long "e."

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:17:58pm

re: #47 JasonA

Holy Godwin, Batman!

Top Social Conservative: Hitler Used Gay Soldiers Because They Had 'No Limits'

These people make me want to kick them really, really hard. I don't even know where to begin after that.

57 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18:14pm

Break is over.
I've got to give my brain cells a rest and get
back to my real job for today.......
Later

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18:34pm

re: #55 JasonA

Ah, that was Bill Nelson. He pronounces cement with a long "e."

That makes much more sense.

59 tradewind  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:18:56pm

re: #55 JasonA
You mean he accents the first syllable instead of the ' ment ' ? it's a Texas/Southern thang. LBJ-speak.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:20:17pm

re: #59 tradewind

You mean he accents the first syllable instead of the ' ment ' ? it's a Texas/Southern thang. LBJ-speak.

My grandfather was from Kansas, and he had that too. "SEE-ment", while I say 'suh-MENT'.

61 cliffster  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:20:51pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

My grandfather was from Kansas, and he had that too. "SEE-ment", while I say 'suh-MENT'.

You pronounce it wrong.

62 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:20:55pm

re: #52 reloadingisnotahobby

Grew up watching that man!!
RIP indeed!

I used to watch Art Linkletter's House Party when I was home sick from school (circa 1960). It was practically the only daytime TV show I could tolerate once I got too old for Blinky the Clown.

63 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:21:39pm

re: #47 JasonA

Holy Godwin, Batman!

Top Social Conservative: Hitler Used Gay Soldiers Because They Had 'No Limits'

How long before this one is caught with his boy-toy?

64 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:22:35pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

These people make me want to kick them really, really hard. I don't even know where to begin after that.

They just make shit up as they go along, they don't even pretend to reference actually facts or history anymore, if you back them into a corner and badger them into giving a straight answer they will just say that they "Heard it somewhere."

This never actually happened, it is just propaganda from the elite liberal media.

/

65 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:04pm

re: #61 cliffster

You pronounce it wrong.

No job for you in AZ!

66 Guanxi88  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:26:00pm

re: #59 tradewind

You mean he accents the first syllable instead of the ' ment ' ? it's a Texas/Southern thang. LBJ-speak.

You hear it quite a bit riding in your VEE-hicle.

67 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:27:09pm

re: #66 Guanxi88

You hear it quite a bit riding in your VEE-hicle.

That's "VEE-hickel". The "H" has a pronounced pronunciation.

68 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 26, 2010 12:37:13pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

That makes much more sense.

Either that or we've moved onto the Junk Shot...

69 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:01:28pm

This 'live" video and another "live" one I'm looking at don't match up.

Do they have more than one camera down there that they're getting feeds from? Anybody know?

70 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, May 26, 2010 1:44:57pm

re: #15 Bagua

They are zooming out, looking for new leaks in the BOP. I'd love to see a little fish swim by and look at the camera.

A couple of Deep Ones coming by and giving the camera the finger would probably get a bit more media attention. And also make Plan C above (using BP Execs to plug the leak) a bit more likely.

O_o

71 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:10:04pm

Hi folks I just jumped in. Is that mud instead of oil coming out? Is it working?

72 drogheda  Wed, May 26, 2010 2:16:02pm

re: #69 reine.de.tout

This 'live" video and another "live" one I'm looking at don't match up.

Do they have more than one camera down there that they're getting feeds from? Anybody know?

I expect they do. ABC feed a few hours ago was showing some display board that appeared to be in the command center and it had six or seven different video feeds on it (not all underwater though.)

re: #71 Rightwingconspirator

Hi folks I just jumped in. Is that mud instead of oil coming out? Is it working?

I was wondering it that was mud too. Sure looks like it. It doesn't appear to be white and grey and black like the oil and gas mixture that was coming from the end of the riser tube.

73 Sacred Plants  Wed, May 26, 2010 4:27:01pm

re: #11 researchok

If we had a sane and comprehensive nuclear energy policy, we wouldn't have to be drilling for oil and gas on any great scale.

If we had a sane and comprehensive nuclear crop energy policy, we wouldn't have to be drilling for oil and gas mining for uranium on any great scale.

Here, fixed that for you.

74 usufruct  Wed, May 26, 2010 10:11:49pm

The News Hour had a great piece tonight based on the work that photojournalist Gerald Herbert has been doing in the Gulf documenting the oil leak and what the affect has been on wildlife.

75 Keith  Wed, May 26, 2010 11:56:02pm

Anyone else having a problem with this video freezing their browser on Chrome for Mac?

76 geosherman  Thu, May 27, 2010 12:25:35pm

re: #75 Keith

I am having the same issue accessing LGF using Chrome for MAC. This began on Wednesday. Safari works in the meantime.

77 Keith  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:14:08pm

Thanks geosherman, I'm glad to hear it's not just me! Safari and Firefox work, though the video doesn't have any controls in Firefox (though double-click starts it playing).


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