1 windsagio  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 9:43:19pm

I really can't get enough of this song.

It just makes me feel good and calm on the inside.

2 Racer X  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 9:48:32pm

Nice!

Excellent call, Charles!

3 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 9:54:42pm

re: #1 windsagio

I really like this one.

4 windsagio  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 9:59:53pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That's cool :)

Very different mood!

5 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:00:15pm

So I'm sitting here watching Suspiria, which is supposed to be one of the all time classics of horror and so far, its a yawn fest.

6 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:03:00pm

I just had a Pan's Labyrinth flashback.

7 soap_man  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:04:12pm

Ummm....

BLACKHAWKS WIN!!!

That is all...

8 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:05:24pm

re: #7 soap_man

Still one game to go, yes?

9 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:06:33pm

re: #4 windsagio

That's cool :)

Very different mood!

And then one of my all time favorite songs

10 soap_man  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:08:58pm

re: #8 Boogberg

Still one game to go, yes?

No. It's over.

Blackhawks win the Cup.

11 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:09:04pm

re: #7 soap_man

Congrats soap_man!

12 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:10:35pm

re: #10 soap_man

No. It's over.

Blackhawks win the Cup.

Hawks of Color.

13 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:11:33pm

re: #11 sngnsgt

Congrats soap_man!

And The Blackhawks of course! (doh!)

14 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:14:12pm

re: #10 soap_man

No. It's over.

Blackhawks win the Cup.

Dammit! Why the fuck didn't someone say this was for the Cup? You bastards! I would have watched it had I known.

15 windsagio  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:14:20pm

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have to come back at you then.

This is currently my favorite song (that's actually on Youtube).

/yes, there's a pattern :P

16 windsagio  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:15:42pm

re: #15 windsagio

Whups, embed link follows:

17 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:19:20pm

re: #15 windsagio

Not bad.

18 Morrisminor  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:19:37pm

Pretty Questions?

19 windsagio  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:20:09pm

re: #18 Morrisminor

Better than ugly questions >

20 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:21:49pm

re: #19 windsagio

Better than ugly questions >

I don't mind ugly questions at all

The tough part was waking up the next morning next to one!!

(oopppss,,did I type that out loud!!)

21 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:23:06pm

Oh dear.

22 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:25:00pm

K ,, it's 01:25

I'm at work
I'm on LGF
my pizza was just delivered

life is good!

23 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:26:54pm

re: #21 Boogberg

Oh dear.

yes honey?

24 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:27:18pm

Well, that was 90 minutes of my life down the tubes

25 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:28:02pm

re: #22 sattv4u2

You have a job?

Life IS good! (For you anyway)

26 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:28:56pm

re: #25 sngnsgt

You have a job?

Life IS good! (For you anyway)

What part of "it's 01:25 and I'm at work" didn't you understand !!!

/

27 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:29:55pm

re: #23 sattv4u2

Pizza sounds pretty good about now. Toppings?

28 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:30:53pm

re: #27 Boogberg

Pizza sounds pretty good about now. Toppings?

feh!

maybe ,, MAYBE , every so often sausage and/ or green pepper,,, MAYBE

Otherwise ,, cheese

29 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:34:05pm

re: #28 sattv4u2

feh!

maybe ,, MAYBE , every so often sausage and/ or green pepper,,, MAYBE

Otherwise ,, cheese

No onions? Shame on you! :D

30 windsagio  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:34:12pm

re: #28 sattv4u2

mushrooms, spinach, and artichoke hearts!

31 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:34:15pm

I must say, Charles, that is about the sanest thing I've seen in a week's passing.

32 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:34:20pm

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, that was 90 minutes of my life down the tubes

not if you don't flush!

33 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:34:49pm

re: #30 windsagio

mushrooms, spinach, and artichoke hearts!

I ordered a pizza ,, not a salad bar!

34 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:35:19pm

re: #31 Cato the Elder

I must say, Charles, that is about the sanest thing I've seen in a week's passing.

I thought you were getting a beer and watching a movie!

35 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:35:58pm

re: #32 sattv4u2

not if you don't flush!

I wish I could. Classic horror movie my ass.

36 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:36:07pm

re: #30 windsagio

I ain't eating a mushroom unless it has a purple ring on the stem.

37 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:38:33pm

re: #36 Boogberg

I ain't eating a mushroom unless it has a purple ring on the stem.

I come along a silver striped mushroom...

38 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:41:13pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lmao! :D

39 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:46:27pm
40 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:48:30pm

re: #39 Boogberg

Can a Nigga Get a Table Dance?

:D

Oh, I can match that

41 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:51:07pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hahaaah! Awesome. :)

42 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:56:04pm
43 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:09:33pm

Suck on this, Steve Vai. You old bastard:

44 Kragar  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:11:24pm

Well, off to bed, but I'll leave some info on my latest project

The Kroot

Image: Kroot.jpg

45 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:19:35pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, off to bed, but I'll leave some info on my latest project

The Kroot

Image: Kroot.jpg

Heh. Your daughter's Tau?

46 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:19:54pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, off to bed, but I'll leave some info on my latest project

The Kroot

Image: Kroot.jpg

Has my mother been modeling again recently?

/night y'all!

47 swamprat  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:34:05pm

BP oil spill

Top hat idea is all wrong.

You are not going to stop that pressure and volume, nor should you even try.

pull away all the stuff on the TopHat, but leave it sitting there like a diffuser.

Giant (50 feet?) dome or cylinder with many 4inch flex hoses coming out of it with quick-connect couplings on the ends.

Set it over the mess and let them blow.

Start lowering submersible pumps down to the hoses and hook them up using the ROVs

Stuff is a mile down. Asking it to utilize its own pressure is a little presumptuous.

Have a mess of hoses means you can still put in the chemical break-down agents.

Coming up with a quick-connect that a ROV can use should be possible.

You can quick-connect hose blocks to the unused hoses, or not.


"any damn fool can make something more complex"
/misquoting Einstein

48 Silvergirl  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:35:46pm

A marriage of the words of Carl Sandburg and Pablo Neruda. The images and music are spectacular without overshadowing the poetry. I watched it three times.

49 Silvergirl  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:37:13pm

re: #30 windsagio

mushrooms, spinach, and artichoke hearts!

I want this one.

50 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:42:20pm

re: #28 sattv4u2

feh!

maybe ,, MAYBE , every so often sausage and/ or green pepper,,, MAYBE

Otherwise ,, cheese

We made some really great "pizzas" last weekend. A piece of pita bread, brushed lightly with olive oil, with a thin smear of plain hummus spread right to the edge got topped with a mix of zucchini, onion, bell peppers, cherry tomatoes and mint that had been tossed with olive oil, lemon juice, sumac and sesame seeds (zataar) and some feta cheese, then blasted at 500 F degrees for about five minutes. Gotta try it with real thin crust pizza dough next, but I count this experiment as a success already.

51 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:48:21pm

re: #47 swamprat

BP oil spill

Top hat idea is all wrong.

You are not going to stop that pressure and volume, nor should you even try.

pull away all the stuff on the TopHat, but leave it sitting there like a diffuser.

Giant (50 feet?) dome or cylinder with many 4inch flex hoses coming out of it with quick-connect couplings on the ends.

Set it over the mess and let them blow.

Start lowering submersible pumps down to the hoses and hook them up using the ROVs

Stuff is a mile down. Asking it to utilize its own pressure is a little presumptuous.

Have a mess of hoses means you can still put in the chemical break-down agents.

Coming up with a quick-connect that a ROV can use should be possible.

You can quick-connect hose blocks to the unused hoses, or not.

"any damn fool can make something more complex"
/misquoting Einstein

The top hat is not meant as a permanent solution, and has never been promoted as one. It allows the recovery of roughly 90% of the oil, mitigating the spill until the permanent solution - a relief well - can be put in place.

What you're describing here is enormously complex and unworkable on several fronts. In particular, it would be plagued by the same problem that doomed the first top hat attempt - all those small diameter hoses would be instantly clogged by hydrates. The small amount of "leakiness" specifically permitted by the current top hat is deliberate, and is part of an effort to limit hydrate formation so that flow can be maintained.

52 Bagua  Wed, Jun 9, 2010 11:55:04pm

re: #51 SixDegrees

The top hat is not meant as a permanent solution, and has never been promoted as one. It allows the recovery of roughly 90% of the oil, mitigating the spill until the permanent solution - a relief well - can be put in place.

What you're describing here is enormously complex and unworkable on several fronts. In particular, it would be plagued by the same problem that doomed the first top hat attempt - all those small diameter hoses would be instantly clogged by hydrates. The small amount of "leakiness" specifically permitted by the current top hat is deliberate, and is part of an effort to limit hydrate formation so that flow can be maintained.

Well said:

53 Bagua  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:01:51am

And note the flow Top Hat is being steadily increased as additional processing capacity is added.

The present Top Hat will also be supplemented by reversing the 3" Choke and Kill lines that were used to inject mud, to flowing additional oil and gas to the surface.

A bit further on, the Top Hat itself will be replaced with another Top Hat that will make a better attempt at a seal, and capture still more oil and gas. It will also allow for a rapid disconnection and reconnection during storms.

Each day they have increased the flow to capture the oil. Right now in the top right spill cam, one can see almost the entire width of the fin that it is zoomed in on. This is visual confirmation that more and more oil is being recovered..

54 swamprat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:04:27am

re: #51 SixDegrees

90 percent?
Wow. That's great!
Any size hose. 4 inch is just the size I am familiar with. The concept I am touting is to have multiple pumps, not try to hold in the pressure, and pump up more than the well is putting out so you get all the oil, plus some seawater. Trying to seal this beast is a waste of time. The size of the pumps is relatively unimportant.

But thanks for the uplifting news! 90 percent!
I feel better.

Good night. I shall sleep a little better.

55 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:05:00am

re: #51 SixDegrees

The top hat is not meant as a permanent solution, and has never been promoted as one. It allows the recovery of roughly 90% of the oil, mitigating the spill until the permanent solution - a relief well - can be put in place.

What you're describing here is enormously complex and unworkable on several fronts. In particular, it would be plagued by the same problem that doomed the first top hat attempt - all those small diameter hoses would be instantly clogged by hydrates. The small amount of "leakiness" specifically permitted by the current top hat is deliberate, and is part of an effort to limit hydrate formation so that flow can be maintained.

so ,,, DiGiorno Pizza is a no-no, I take it !!
//

56 swamprat  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:11:36am

re: #53 Bagua

Thanks for a very lucid explaination.

57 ryannon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:54:20am

re: #1 windsagio

I really can't get enough of this song.

It just makes me feel good and calm on the inside.


[Video]

Too bad that these jokers just bailed on a concert in Israel out of solidarity with the 'peace activists.' Or something like that.

58 ryannon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:57:56am

re: #39 Boogberg

Can a Nigga Get a Table Dance?

:D

Seriously fucked up and very funny!

59 GogleddCymru  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:59:52am

Just to add a little spice to the oil spill comments this morning's Daily Telegraph headline is "OBAMA'S BOOT ON THE THROAT OF BRITISH PENSIONERS". I cetainly hope these measures are starting to work.

60 GogleddCymru  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:01:46am

"certainly" sorry.....

61 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:02:54am

re: #59 GogleddCymru

Just to add a little spice to the oil spill comments this morning's Daily Telegraph headline is "OBAMA'S BOOT ON THE THROAT OF BRITISH PENSIONERS". I cetainly hope these measures are starting to work.

Which "measures"?
BP's attempts to cap the well/ capture the leaking oil?
Obamas attempt to put pressure on BP to do the right things (i.e. compensations, clean up costs, etc)
OR ,, the unintended consequences that will occur if BP is forced into chapter 11 and all other oil/ drilling companies are not allowed to continue offshore exploration and drilling?

62 GogleddCymru  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:07:45am

re: #61 sattv4u2
I meant the immediate measures at the site. The other consequences may follow and that will be very nasty all round.

63 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:10:22am

re: #62 GogleddCymru

I meant the immediate measures at the site. The other consequences may follow and that will be very nasty all round.

Then why mention the "OBAMA'S BOOT ON THE THROAT OF BRITISH PENSIONERS".?

That (British Pensioners) has NOTHING to do with BP's ongoing efforts to cap the well

64 GogleddCymru  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:19:41am

Perhaps it is OT for you but is another aspect of the wider picture.
I do hope those measures work & now I must get to work by 10am (40 mins)

65 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:23:40am

re: #64 GogleddCymru

Perhaps it is OT for you but is another aspect of the wider picture.
I do hope those measures work & now I must get to work by 10am (40 mins)

I didn't say it was OT

As a matter of fact, YOU did
I meant the immediate measures at the site

66 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:28:02am

We are seeing the old conundrum of government and industry: there is a lot of populist and lobbyist pressure to deregulate and "let the market rule", but when deregulated private industries screw up, there is at once populist pressure to intervene and simultaneously complaints about excessive government intereference.

We saw that in the financial markets as well.

67 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:29:52am
68 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:39:16am

Late at night I'm always tempted to post Ted Rall cartoons just for the spectacle of it all.

That guy's such a fascinatin' piece of work >>

69 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:42:40am

Hehe I made Gus look!

crazy-ass man >

70 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:43:07am

re: #69 windsagio

Hehe I made Gus look!

crazy-ass man >

No shit dude. I'm updinging those for you.

71 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:44:26am

re: #70 Gus 802

haha keeps my record clear :D


Seriously, I don't agree with anything he says really, but when its dead and 2 in the morning its always tempting to throw something evil in there >

72 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:44:58am

I will say I didn't know that htere were so many threads about the guy on LGF. Learn something every day!

73 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:45:18am

re: #71 windsagio

haha keeps my record clear :D

Seriously, I don't agree with anything he says really, but when its dead and 2 in the morning its always tempting to throw something evil in there >

I'd be a hypocrite if I said I've never done that before.

74 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:47:37am

Badly drawn cartoon of America eating BP.


Just going through the editorial cartoon archives lookin' for something cool, until I'm tired enough to sleep.

75 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:48:28am
76 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:49:45am

re: #75 windsagio

And I don't even know wtf this one is supposed to be!

Looks like crappy art to me. Art is a lot like music. Everyone plays the guitar.

77 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:51:09am
78 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:55:29am
79 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:55:30am

re: #75 windsagio

And I don't even know wtf this one is supposed to be!

I think that's Angela Merkel leading some rats off a cliff, but I could be mistaken.

80 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:55:45am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Ooh good call!

81 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:56:41am

OK bbiab with more spam :D

82 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:59:13am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's Angela Merkel leading some rats off a cliff, but I could be mistaken.

Right now she is in deep doo-doo: first she helped bail Greece out, now she is presiding over the biggest budget cuts in German history. It is not playing well.

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:00:29am

re: #77 windsagio

what up in this blog that Phil Hendrie mentioned on his show a couple days ago

84 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:02:02am

re: #83 WindUpBird

So, Emerson webcasts, you goin' in on it?

85 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:07:27am
86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:08:24am

re: #84 windsagio

So, Emerson webcasts, you goin' in on it?

already done, done the instant I saw it

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:11:01am

Hard turn into non sequitur... brace for impact...

If it is so important to some that one must first have children of their own before they are allowed to have or express an opinion regarding the raising and treatment of children, must one first be a mother or father before offering an opinion on child abuse? Or one on molestation?

If the answer is no, then why can not one without children of their own offer opinions on more benign subjects regarding children?

88 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:14:16am

The nut-o-sphere is trying to find an even deeper ledge over which to plunge:

Rockwell is currently pimping BILDERBERG conpiracies.

WND is back to birther-ing... now claiming a "professor" who was an "official" in elections in HI in 2008 claiming everyone knows there is no real long form... It turns out side "official" was just a temp and he is just a grad assistant teaching an English class.

And to top it all off... American Thinker (which certain individuals kept promoting here at one time) is pushing the idea that there will be a coup here (in the US) to prevent the Dems from a big loss in the fall elections.

Really, I don't know how the nuts can go much farther out on the ledge, unless they want to become Raelians.

89 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:15:20am

re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth

Hard turn into non sequitur... brace for impact...

Stole this from ArchangelMichael...

Good Morning Lizards!

90 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:15:41am

re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth

Damned if I know :P

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:16:44am

re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth

Hard turn into non sequitur... brace for impact...

If it is so important to some that one must first have children of their own before they are allowed to have or express an opinion regarding the raising and treatment of children, must one first be a mother or father before offering an opinion on child abuse? Or one on molestation?

If the answer is no, then why can not one without children of their own offer opinions on more benign subjects regarding children?

Yeah, I COMPLETELY FEEL YOU HERE. I don't have kids, but I sure as hell am observant, and my health care job was not so different from day care or babysitting, just with a massive clinical team breathing down our necks.I'm sure there's visceral things about childrearing that you gotta be there for, but to have an opinion?

92 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:19:59am

re: #91 WindUpBird

I was trying tobe nice, but its about a sense of exceptionalism again.

"You just can't possibly understand how amazing it is!"

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:20:22am

re: #88 freetoken

American Thinker was sort of my way in to some of the most hilarious trolling of a racist douche in my internet-nerd realm of influence, so I always feel a little tingle whenever American Thinker is mentioned

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:21:20am

re: #92 windsagio

I was trying tobe nice, but its about a sense of exceptionalism again.

"You just can't possibly understand how amazing it is!"

We've worked with people who are parents.

Who are...

...not exactly blowing my doors off with their critical thinking and observational skills. I don't care how many kids they've had, they're not AUTOMATICALLY MEGAWISE

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:22:23am

re: #88 freetoken

Also A++ for namedropping Raelians.

Woudl you believe I actually know someone named Rael?

96 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:22:52am

re: #91 WindUpBird

Yeah, I COMPLETELY FEEL YOU HERE. I don't have kids, but I sure as hell am observant, and my health care job was not so different from day care or babysitting, just with a massive clinical team breathing down our necks.I'm sure there's visceral things about childrearing that you gotta be there for, but to have an opinion?

I think the part that is frustrating for parents is when those who do not have kids try to tell us how we are doing it wrong. Not for obvious stuff like abuse, more like the idiots who say "If I had a child, he would never act out in public".

97 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:24:24am

re: #94 WindUpBird

All you need to be a father is a dick, as they say.

98 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:24:59am

re: #88 freetoken

And to top it all off... American Thinker (which certain individuals kept promoting here at one time) is pushing the idea that there will be a coup here (in the US) to prevent the Dems from a big loss in the fall elections.

Oh noes, Obama's gonna declare marshall law!!!!!!!!!!11111

///

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:25:00am

re: #91 WindUpBird

I can not love a child more than the parent what spawned them (with the possible exception of the Phelps Cult assholes), but I can not understand how it is possible or acceptable to use "Do you have kids?" as an argument against those who offer an opinion on the treatment or raising of children.

I don't need to have shards of broken glass permeating every inch of my flesh to know that it would both hurt like hell and suck donkey balls.

100 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:26:19am

re: #88 freetoken

The nut-o-sphere is trying to find an even deeper ledge over which to plunge:

Rockwell is currently pimping BILDERBERG conpiracies.

WND is back to birther-ing... now claiming a "professor" who was an "official" in elections in HI in 2008 claiming everyone knows there is no real long form... It turns out side "official" was just a temp and he is just a grad assistant teaching an English class.

And to top it all off... American Thinker (which certain individuals kept promoting here at one time) is pushing the idea that there will be a coup here (in the US) to prevent the Dems from a big loss in the fall elections.

Really, I don't know how the nuts can go much farther out on the ledge, unless they want to become Raelians.

Of course the primary win of Meg Whitman has caused quite a stir. That even includes some rumblings about an anti-labor remark from Robert Gibbs. Looks like the anti-Israel hate fest at the Huffington Post has finally settled down. They did however have a "revealing" post about the possibility of Sarah Palin having breast implants.

101 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:26:33am

re: #96 rwdflynavy

I think the part that is frustrating for parents is when those who do not have kids try to tell us how we are doing it wrong. Not for obvious stuff like abuse, more like the idiots who say "If I had a child, he would never act out in public".


I do think the limit is when you try and tell parents how to raise their kids unless their manner of raising the kids represents a violation of the law or a threat to public health or safety.

Every parent and every child is different, and parenting is not an exact science or something that can be reduced to a formula of "if parent does x, then child will do y".

What works for one family might not work for another.

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:26:59am

re: #96 rwdflynavy

I think the part that is frustrating for parents is when those who do not have kids try to tell us how we are doing it wrong. Not for obvious stuff like abuse, more like the idiots who say "If I had a child, he would never act out in public".

Oh, i don't tell parents they're DOING IT WRONG, I just sometimes offer my observations because I SEE them doing it wrong. Not in the "my little kid acted out in public" sort of way, more in the "I'm yelling at my kid and tearing down his self esteem because he'd rather read about the Ming Dynasty and learn how to program in C++ than waste his time being screamed at by a track coach" sort of way.

103 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:27:03am

Ok, so I'm gonna go ahead and risk being an offensive jerk here in the name of hilarity -- check out this amazing review that nominates Commando as the most unintentional homoerotic movie ever made.

[Link: www.ruthlessreviews.com...]

One example - dialogue between John Matrix and the main antagonist near the end of the movie.

Matrix: “You can beat me… You want to put a knife in me. Look me in the eyes. See what’s going on in there while you turn it. That’s what you want to do to me, right? Come on, let the girl go. You and me. Don’t deprive yourself of some pleasure. Come on Bennett; let’s party.”

Bennett: “I don’t need the girl — I don’t need the girl!!!”

104 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:27:38am

re: #95 WindUpBird

Woudl you believe I actually know someone named Rael?

Not really, but I suppose it is possible.

Oh, and "Raelians" get tossed into the mix here every once and a while. Charles even did a post about them years ago. I first heard about them back in the early days of Art Bell's program.

105 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:28:16am

re: #101 ralphieboy

I do think the limit is when you try and tell parents how to raise their kids unless their manner of raising the kids represents a violation of the law or a threat to public health or safety.

Every parent and every child is different, and parenting is not an exact science or something that can be reduced to a formula of "if parent does x, then child will do y".

What works for one family might not work for another.

Exactly,

I had some pretty stupid ideas about child rearing that were rapidly modified by my first child.

The basics of child rearing are fairly apparent to anyone with half a brain, but there is a lot you have to experience first hand to appreciate.

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:29:36am

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

I can not love a child more than the parent what spawned them (with the possible exception of the Phelps Cult assholes), but I can not understand how it is possible or acceptable to use "Do you have kids?" as an argument against those who offer an opinion on the treatment or raising of children.

I don't need to have shards of broken glass permeating every inch of my flesh to know that it would both hurt like hell and suck donkey balls.

Yeah. It makes me mad, it's like a silly rhetorical bludgeon for people who do not want to hear a thing about a thing they are emotionally very invested in. I've seen gay people in my circle sorta use the same tactic against people who are ACTUALLY ON THEIR SIDE, but made the mistake of actually being empathetic in the wrong fashion and not having the absolute most extreeeeme gay politics, and then suddenly X erupts in a sort of MY PAIN IS SO MUCH GREATER way. Ugggh.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:29:48am

re: #96 rwdflynavy

I think the part that is frustrating for parents is when those who do not have kids try to tell us how we are doing it wrong. Not for obvious stuff like abuse, more like the idiots who say "If I had a child, he would never act out in public".

That sort of thing is pretty dickish and condescending. Parents have a right to get pissed at that sort of thing.

108 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:29:50am

re: #102 WindUpBird

Oh, i don't tell parents they're DOING IT WRONG, I just sometimes offer my observations because I SEE them doing it wrong. Not in the "my little kid acted out in public" sort of way, more in the "I'm yelling at my kid and tearing down his self esteem because he'd rather read about the Ming Dynasty and learn how to program in C++ than waste his time being screamed at by a track coach" sort of way.

Depriving a kid from learning object-oriented programming should qualify as child abuse. Just sayin'

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:30:27am

re: #103 Nimed

Commando is not NEARLY as depraved and insane as Total Recall :D But it's pretty gay-porn-sweaty all right, that much is true

110 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:30:40am

re: #100 Gus 802

Boob jobs are always good for a story.

Lots of interesting things falling out of the Primaries. The Tea Partiers are going gaga over their choice for Senator in NV. In Maine one of the creationists won the nod for Governor - he is also a flat-taxer. At least in Iowa the theocrat didn't win the GOP nod, though he came close enough; in that particular race the former IA governor had so much name recognition that I think he was able to fend off the ultra-right candidate.

111 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:30:59am

re: #102 WindUpBird

Oh, i don't tell parents they're DOING IT WRONG, I just sometimes offer my observations because I SEE them doing it wrong. Not in the "my little kid acted out in public" sort of way, more in the "I'm yelling at my kid and tearing down his self esteem because he'd rather read about the Ming Dynasty and learn how to program in C++ than waste his time being screamed at by a track coach" sort of way.

I'd rather study Ming the Merciless myself...and I agree with you!

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:31:00am

re: #108 Nimed

Depriving a kid from learning object-oriented programming should qualify as child abuse. Just sayin'

*high five*


(I sucked at C, I stuck to workin' the 3d renderin' softwares)

113 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:31:11am

re: #105 rwdflynavy

Exactly,

I had some pretty stupid ideas about child rearing that were rapidly modified by my first child.

The basics of child rearing are fairly apparent to anyone with half a brain, but there is a lot you have to experience first hand to appreciate.


I never read many of the childrearing books my wife tried to get me to read, but one passage really stuck with me: "parenting is a two-way street. Be prepared to learn things from your child".

I must admit that rather blew my mind at the time, but the more I learn from my kids, the better a parent I have become.

114 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:31:41am

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

That sort of thing is pretty dickish and condescending. Parents have a right to get pissed at that sort of thing.

Especially when folks don't know your child has autism....

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:32:15am

re: #111 rwdflynavy

updings for Ming the Merciless, who is my constant callback whenever I'm trying to describe a guy with a long face and that sorta hermetic-face evil-wizard-Dr. Strange look to him. :D

116 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:32:41am

Oh, and I still don't know what to make of Prop 14 here in California. That was the one that transforms future primaries into all open-ticket, and then only the top 2 vote getters are added to the ballot in November. A whole bunch of people (from Arnold to chambers of commerce to all sorts of groups.)

I'm beginning to think there might be some unintended consequence that could be really painful.

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:32:54am

re: #114 rwdflynavy

Especially when folks don't know your child has autism...

Worked with autistic adults for almost 15 years! Almost got run over by a car trying to keep one safe!

Ahh memories :D

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:33:35am

re: #116 freetoken

Oh, and I still don't know what to make of Prop 14 here in California. That was the one that transforms future primaries into all open-ticket, and then only the top 2 vote getters are added to the ballot in November. A whole bunch of people (from Arnold to chambers of commerce to all sorts of groups.)

I'm beginning to think there might be some unintended consequence that could be really painful.

so is that basically going to mean that districts can go R v R or D v D in the general?

(sorry, not operating on all cylinders atm)

119 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:33:43am

re: #106 WindUpBird


Just keep in mind, most paren(s) of young kids have had thier sleep patterns disrupted for long periods of time, their nerves shattered and their ability to concentrate without distraction severely taxed. Do cut them a bit of a break.

120 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:34:09am

re: #117 WindUpBird

Worked with autistic adults for almost 15 years! Almost got run over by a car trying to keep one safe!

Ahh memories :D

Cool (the working with, not almost getting hit by a car)! Very happy for you that you have been able to go full time with your passion!!

121 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:34:35am

re: #110 freetoken

Boob jobs are always good for a story.

Lots of interesting things falling out of the Primaries. The Tea Partiers are going gaga over their choice for Senator in NV. In Maine one of the creationists won the nod for Governor - he is also a flat-taxer. At least in Iowa the theocrat didn't win the GOP nod, though he came close enough; in that particular race the former IA governor had so much name recognition that I think he was able to fend off the ultra-right candidate.

That primary win in Nevada is, how should I put it, retarded. I heard she had good things to say about Oathkeepers. She's also for prohibition. Let me see. A senator from Nevada being for prohibition? How does that work?

The Republicans are dropping the ball. They had the chance to be moderates and instead are choosing these lunatic. Meanwhile, the Democrats still suck donkey balls so were stuck between the donkey balls and the lunatics. My prediction? It's going to suck for a very long time.

122 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:34:54am

re: #115 WindUpBird

Fu Manchu is more classic.

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:35:54am

re: #119 ralphieboy

Just keep in mind, most paren(s) of young kids have had thier sleep patterns disrupted for long periods of time, their nerves shattered and their ability to concentrate without distraction severely taxed. Do cut them a bit of a break.

I'm watching my brother slowly unravel with his 6 month old, so yes :D

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:36:33am

re: #122 windsagio

Fu Manchu is more classic.

Yes, but he's played! Ming the Merciless is funnier. Dr. Strange is even funnier provided you know everyone in the room gets the comic reference :D

125 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:37:04am

re: #118 WindUpBird

I guess so. Only in a few counties or congressional districts could I conceive of that happening. Most of California has been gerrymandered just right so that each party has optimized the number of seats they can get, which means that neither party put all their eggs in just a handful of baskets.

I know that in my congressional district the Hunter family name will carry on until somebody gets indicted and convicted, so it will always be an (R) district.

126 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:37:32am

re: #122 windsagio

Fu Manchu is more classic.

Saw this movie as a kid. Love Peter Sellers!

127 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:37:41am

Oops. Typos galore. No wait. It's almost coming on 4 AM.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:37:44am

re: #102 WindUpBird

Good point, but the tone of that post sounds as though you have a lot of unresolved childhood issues that still plague you. I mean, that's a pretty specific rant, right?

I recommend one of these, and one of these.

/I'm not licensed, so if you take any advice from me... It's your own ass.

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:38:37am

re: #121 Gus 802

That primary win in Nevada is, how should I put it, retarded. I heard she had good things to say about Oathkeepers. She's also for prohibition. Let me see. A senator from Nevada being for prohibition? How does that work?

The Republicans are dropping the ball. They had the chance to be moderates and instead are choosing these lunatic. Meanwhile, the Democrats still suck donkey balls so were stuck between the donkey balls and the lunatics. My prediction? It's going to suck for a very long time.

Not in quite these words, but that's more or less how I was brought up. My dad's like "Kid? These guys are worthless pricks. And these OTHER guys are even worse. Now here's how campaigns work...*idealism crushed* "

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:40:09am

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

ALREADY THERE

"As your attorney, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top."

131 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:40:26am

back in a bit

132 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:41:00am

re: #116 freetoken

Oh, and I still don't know what to make of Prop 14 here in California. That was the one that transforms future primaries into all open-ticket, and then only the top 2 vote getters are added to the ballot in November. A whole bunch of people (from Arnold to chambers of commerce to all sorts of groups.)

I'm beginning to think there might be some unintended consequence that could be really painful.

I wouldn't like my state to adopt it. I think there should be separate "primary" and "general" elections. The way I read Prop 14, what you'll basically have is 2 "general" elections, one to narrow the field down from many to two
here in Georgia and in South Carolina, two places I own property what it would come down to is two republicans domination and facing each other in November. Out in California and up in Massachusetts, where I also have property it would (just about) always be two Dems

Again, I think the "primary" should allow each party to pick their "best", then let THEM face off in the general

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:41:06am

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

(it wasn't me that was hassled, my dad was a dream, he's as big a geek as I am! But I saw things as a teen and an adult, oh man)

134 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:41:07am

re: #130 WindUpBird

By the way, youtube needs to have "WHO LOVES YOU AND WHO DO YOU LOVE" somewhere on it.

135 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:42:05am

re: #118 WindUpBird

so is that basically going to mean that districts can go R v R or D v D in the general?

(sorry, not operating on all cylinders atm)

Yes,,, see my South Carolina/ Georgia/ Cali/ Mass scenario in 132

136 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:42:34am

re: #132 sattv4u2

I loved the Open Primary in WA. The GOP and Democrats got together to kill it, execution style.

Bastards.

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:43:03am

re: #134 windsagio

By the way, youtube needs to have "WHO LOVES YOU AND WHO DO YOU LOVE" somewhere on it.

YES?!?!?!?!

6:36

138 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:43:33am

re: #137 WindUpBird

If I jad just the clip, I'd use it CONSTANTLY

139 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:44:08am

re: #129 WindUpBird

Not in quite these words, but that's more or less how I was brought up. My dad's like "Kid? These guys are worthless pricks. And these OTHER guys are even worse. Now here's how campaigns work...*idealism crushed* "

Yeah. I'm a cynic. Of course when they're nuts it's beyond being just cynical. Regardless, I've been voting since Carter. It's the same old shit all the time. Bottom line in America? Money rules. If you don't have a lot of money life sucks. In the end it doesn't matter who wins. You're still going to have to pay the car bill, the mortgage, the insurance, the rent, and the taxes. It just keeps going up and up and those assholes don't give a shit.

140 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:44:12am

re: #121 Gus 802

She's also for prohibition

Actually, she's not. her opponents ads say she made mention of it in a speach given in 2998, but they can't seem to come up with any audio/ video of it nor anyone who actually heard it

141 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:44:13am

re: #136 windsagio

I loved the Open Primary in WA. The GOP and Democrats got together to kill it, execution style.

Bastards.

I think an open primary might be good for the GOP becoming less Tea-Partyish!

142 Gus  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:44:44am

re: #140 sattv4u2

She's also for prohibition

Actually, she's not. her opponents ads say she made mention of it in a speach given in 2998, but they can't seem to come up with any audio/ video of it nor anyone who actually heard it

Oh. OK.

143 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:45:04am

re: #140 sattv4u2

She's also for prohibition

Actually, she's not. her opponents ads say she made mention of it in a speach given in 2998 2008, but they can't seem to come up with any audio/ video of it nor anyone who actually heard it

{sigh}

144 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:46:06am

re: #143 sattv4u2

Dammit, I was all excited about time-travel :D

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:47:47am

re: #143 sattv4u2

{sigh}

IN THE YEAR 2525

(I feel ya, I'm probably due to crash myself)

146 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:47:51am

re: #144 windsagio

Dammit, I was all excited about time-travel :D

You're always traveling through time. 1 second per second into the future.

147 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:48:01am

re: #144 windsagio

Dammit, I was all excited about time-travel :D

Just think of the possibilities for politicians "I was for it before I used to be against it, but that was before I was for it again..."

148 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:48:26am

re: #136 windsagio

I loved the Open Primary in WA. The GOP and Democrats got together to kill it, execution style.

Bastards.

Then why even bother having a general election?

Again, each party should have their own primary to put forth their "best" and let them go at it in the general. In a state like SC or GA, dominated by the Repubs, or a state like Mass dominated by Dems you would get a steady stream of that party being #1 and 2 in the primary

149 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:50:49am

re: #145 WindUpBird

Dammit I'm trying to remember if I actually took my sleeping pill or not... probably better not to risk doubledosing>>

150 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:52:55am

re: #148 sattv4u2

You Don't tho', at least not in WA you didn't.... Altho' now that I think about it, you're describing more a Jungle primary than what we had.

our primary just didn't have party ballots so you could vote for anyone. each party still got their nominee in. When I moved to PDX, they were thinking about chanigng it to the 'top 2 no matter what' tho'.

I like it because it keeps candidates honest. No Nutjob 'appeal to the base but can't possibly win in the general' types.

151 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:53:00am

re: #148 sattv4u2

Then why even bother having a general election?

Again, each party should have their own primary to put forth their "best" and let them go at it in the general. In a state like SC or GA, dominated by the Repubs, or a state like Mass dominated by Dems you would get a steady stream of that party being #1 and 2 in the primary

They should retain party primaries, just relax the restrictions on changing party registration: voters should be able to choose immediately up to (and including) election day which party primary they wish to vote in, the only restriction being that they can only vote in one primary in any given election.

152 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:53:41am

re: #151 ralphieboy

Party primaries (and caucuses) are all about weird electioneering minutiae, anyways.

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:54:40am

re: #133 WindUpBird

You and me both. Guess I lived it more than you. I just took your post as an opportunity to lightheartedly make a goof and post a metal tune. Do you not know about me yet?

To be rising chief I have traveled a hundred fold days
Wandered dark wilderness ravens have gathered my ways
Look in my eyes your demise is what is fueling my rage
For I am the one whom by others is called Fire Face

Quite simple, but one of the more excellent pieces of modern stoner metal around. To think, when I first saw the initial print of that CD at the record store, I thought "$15.99 for a fuckin' six track EP, you're out of your fucking mind"!

Later, after an internet search... "Wait, that's a Matt Pike joynt. Matt Pike of fuckin' Sleep? Shit! :scrounging couch cushions: Do I have $15.99?"

154 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:55:00am

re: #150 windsagio

our primary just didn't have party ballots so you could vote for anyone. each party still got their nominee in.

If they didn't have individual party ballots, how then did "each party get their nominnee in"?
Do you mean "in" the primary, or "in" the general?

If the general, how so if one party had the top 2 spots?

155 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:55:21am

re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth

I probably shouldn't act as WUB's keeper (or try to), but I think he went to toke up again or something.

156 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:55:59am

re: #151 ralphieboy

They should retain party primaries, just relax the restrictions on changing party registration: voters should be able to choose immediately up to (and including) election day which party primary they wish to vote in, the only restriction being that they can only vote in one primary in any given election.

iirc, I could do that when I was back in Massachusstts years ago. NOT "up to" election day, but very close too

157 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:56:25am

re: #154 sattv4u2

You could vote for any candidate, but each party still got a nominee into the general.


Of course, its one of those weird primary/caucus states, so that gives the parties alot of control in who won.

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:58:47am

re: #155 windsagio

No, you shouldn't. Yer telling tales outta school, as they say.

159 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:58:49am

re: #157 windsagio

You could vote for any candidate, but each party still got a nominee into the general.

Of course, its one of those weird primary/caucus states, so that gives the parties alot of control in who won.

okay , but HOW?

Lets say Mr Smith (a dem) and Mr Jones (a dem) come in 1st and 2nd in the open primary. How does a repub run in the general, having come in 3rd (at best) in the primary. What if the best showing for a repub in the primary was 4th?

160 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:00:16am

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth

I was kidding, I'm not quite that stupid.

161 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:01:25am

re: #159 sattv4u2

okay , but HOW?

Lets say Mr Smith (a dem) and Mr Jones (a dem) come in 1st and 2nd in the open primary. How does a repub run in the general, having come in 3rd (at best) in the primary. What if the best showing for a repub in the primary was 4th?

Jones is SOL in the old Washington State model. Top from each party went forward, no matter what their ranking was in the overall election. Even the top Constitution party dude (in that case, chick) got their slot still.

I really liked that system.

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:01:49am

re: #160 windsagio

Well, you sure had me fooled.
/you are capable of taking that as a well intentioned joke, right?

163 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:03:04am

re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh of course :D


They're hitting now, and as a bonus, I need to take them rarely enough that I still get sorta high.

So nothing really is gonna bother me right now :D

164 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:03:34am

re: #161 windsagio

Jones is SOL in the old Washington State model. Top from each party went forward, no matter what their ranking was in the overall election. Even the top Constitution party dude (in that case, chick) got their slot still.

I really liked that system.

Then in the primary, why have it open? Seems like a good way for a block of people to get together to screw things up royally

165 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:04:56am

re: #164 sattv4u2

That is a good question. Probably because it seems wrong to ever limit who you can vote for. Its that weird specifically west coast version of populism.

The argument you've stated is exactly why the Parties tried so hard (and eventually succeeded in) to kill it.

166 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:05:13am

re: #164 sattv4u2

I grew up with it tho', you know how it is :D

167 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:09:56am

re: #165 windsagio

That is a good question. Probably because it seems wrong to ever limit who you can vote for. Its that weird specifically west coast version of populism.

The argument you've stated is exactly why the Parties tried so hard (and eventually succeeded in) to kill it.

You CAN vote for whomever you want too. If you have a strong conviction FOR someone, register for that ballot for the primary. You also have the option of voting for whoever you want regardless of party in the general

168 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:11:24am

re: #167 sattv4u2

I'm not currently capable of rationally arguing with you, sorry >>

169 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:11:55am

re: #168 windsagio

I'm not currently capable of rationally arguing with you, sorry >>

Not arguing.

170 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:13:10am

re: #169 sattv4u2

Oh I don't mean in hte fighting sense! I just can't coherently present my argument, if that makes sense >>

171 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:14:18am

re: #170 windsagio

Oh I don't mean in hte fighting sense! I just can't coherently present my argument, if that makes sense >>

gotchya

172 windsagio  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:14:44am

re: #171 sattv4u2

And I think its time for me to go to sleep!

Later y'all!

173 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:14:58am

re: #163 windsagio

Some folk have a tendency to get too damned sensitive sometimes, myself included on occasion. Other folk aptly call this tendency "butthurt". Just checkin'.

Shit, it's 3:00 AM already? That's well passed my Watery Depths of Unfathomable Horrors of Slumber, Which Are Still Soothingly Quite Despite the Horrors bed time. Catch y'all laters.

174 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:21:07am

re: #166 windsagio

I grew up with it tho', you know how it is :D

Hey windsagio - can you hit us up on twitter, or youtube? We don't have any way to contact you or WUB as yet?

Must go now - just received Soros shipment. The usual deal: giant blocks of hash, checks from ACORN!1!, many bottles of lube for furthering the feminazi/ghey agenda.

Ramming the Obama agenda down the throats of wingnuts every day, without so much as a shred of remorse,
--Jimmah & ice

175 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:26:34am

re: #88 freetoken

I'm not one of the folks who have promoted American Thinker but I went to their site to see what you were talking about and all I found was a very long essay on their main page explaining why the coup rumors were crazy talk. Can you give me a link that backs up your claim?

176 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:29:18am

re: #175 RogueOne

Can you give me a link that backs up your claim?

No,, but I CAN tell you it will be Bush's fault !!
//

177 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:29:55am

re: #174 Jimmah

178 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:30:02am

re: #175 RogueOne

I'm not one of the folks who have promoted American Thinker but I went to their site to see what you were talking about and all I found was a very long essay on their main page explaining why the coup rumors were crazy talk. Can you give me a link that backs up your claim?

Glad to hear that somebody has a line on relity. But we are getting to a key bit of Tea Party symbolism: the original Tea party was directed against an unelected government across the Atlantic ocean.

The current TP is railing against a democratically and legally elected American government. that means that they´are in fact against the expressed political will of a majority of the American electorate.

But they still like to imply that this government is somehow illegitimate and in need of overthrow.

179 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:30:55am

re: #174 Jimmah

......

Ramming the Obama agenda down the throats of wingnuts every day, without so much as a shred of remorse,
--Jimmah & ice


Not sure what happened to my reply. weird. What I said was, better get it in while you can because hope and change round 2 comes in 5 months.

180 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:31:39am

re: #176 sattv4u2

Can you give me a link that backs up your claim?

No,, but I CAN tell you it will be Bush's fault !!
//

Well, that goes without saying...
//

181 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:32:09am

Godd Morning Mocks, Jocks and fans of Black Hawks

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:32:37am

re: #175 RogueOne

I'm not one of the folks who have promoted American Thinker but I went to their site to see what you were talking about and all I found was a very long essay on their main page explaining why the coup rumors were crazy talk. Can you give me a link that backs up your claim?

They're AGW-denialists.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

183 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:35:24am

re: #182 WindUpBird

That wasn't the claim. I don't particularly care for what I consider "party partisans". People, from both parties, who basically make stuff up to make their political opponents look as badly as possible. Personally I think both sides are full of fuckin' nuts therefore I don't see the need to make shit up to make them look bad when they do a fine enough job on their own.

184 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:37:08am

Navy, How's the new duty station going?

185 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:38:31am

re: #184 RogueOne

Navy, How's the new duty station going?

It is OK. Sitting at a desk will never be as cool as flying a helicopter! I'm in Jax this week packing up the family. The geographical bachelor thing got old quick. We like DC, so are looking forward to the change.

186 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:41:12am

re: #185 rwdflynavy

I have a friend who worked on helicopters in the Marines. He took a job in Thailand last month and arrived right in the middle of the coup attempt. We could only communicate through email but he was having a blast. He's a bit of a nut.

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:47:05am

'Sup pups?

188 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:51:34am

re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'Sup pups?

Nuttin, honey

189 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:52:25am

re: #185 rwdflynavy

It is OK. Sitting at a desk will never be as cool as flying a helicopter! I'm in Jax this week packing up the family. The geographical bachelor thing got old quick. We like DC, so are looking forward to the change.

wait til, August when it's 98 degrees and 110% humidity!

190 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:55:01am

re: #185 rwdflynavy

re: #189 sattv4u2

wait til, August when it's 98 degrees and 110% humidity!

Or February ,, when it's so cold the politicians have their hands in their OWN pockets!!

191 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:55:30am

re: #181 Spare O'Lake

Godd Morning Mocks, Jocks and fans of Black Hawks

Been a looooong time coming! I wasn't even one year old the last time my beloved Blackhawks (two words at that time) won the Stanley Cup!!

192 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:55:48am

hello ,,,, is this thing ON!?!?!?!

193 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:58:59am

re: #175 RogueOne

Yes, read AT very carefully. Note that in supposedly dismissing the rumors the writer (and editor) leaves just enough room for doubt... which is all that is needed for the readers. If you doubt me, look at the comments for that story. It's a way to lead your audience while providing deniability. Ask yourself why that story even exists there at AT, and why it is absent from legitimate news outlets.

194 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:01:42am

re: #193 freetoken

Yes, read AT very carefully. Note that in supposedly dismissing the rumors the writer (and editor) leaves just enough room for doubt... which is all that is needed for the readers. If you doubt me, look at the comments for that story. It's a way to lead your audience while providing deniability. Ask yourself why that story even exists there at AT, and why it is absent from legitimate news outlets.

Perhaps because there were rumors in comments at AT therefore the writer felt compelled to squash them by writing an article dismissing them

195 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:09:12am

Reason # 1 that Pete Carroll bolted USC for the NFL

The NCAA will ban USC’s football team from the postseason for two years and strip the program of scholarships, the Los Angeles Times and ESPN.com reported.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

I've said for years that sanctions against a college team should not only be imposed on the team itself but should follow the coach and / or athletic director

196 freetoken  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:13:28am

re: #194 sattv4u2

Perhaps because there were rumors in comments at AT therefore the writer felt compelled to squash them by writing an article dismissing them

An article to dismiss them would only need one very short sentence: "The rumors are idiotic."

That AT now provides an article in which even more idiotic rumors get floated and promoted in the comments is par for the course over there.

Again, I repeat myself, that AT even decides to run such an article says volumes. It means the entire AT environment is nuts.

197 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:16:10am

re: #196 freetoken

An article to dismiss them would only need one very short sentence: "The rumors are idiotic."

Then there would be complaints that it wasn't detailed enough

198 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:19:22am

re: #197 sattv4u2

An article to dismiss them would only need one very short sentence: "The rumors are idiotic."

Then there would be complaints that it wasn't detailed enough

It's the old "teach the controversy" approach, whether it applies to birtherism, creationism, AGW or alleged coup attempts

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:26:03am

re: #195 sattv4u2

Cheaters never prosper!

200 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:27:41am

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cheaters never prosper!

Some do!

Image: cheetah%20hunt.jpg

oh ,, wait ,,, you said cheater!!

201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:32:07am

re: #200 sattv4u2

That critter has a facial expression doesn't it?

Looks like Evel Kinevil at Ceasars Palace.

"So, Mr. Kinevil; what was going through your mind as you were crashing and breaking every bone in your body?"
"I was thinking, "AAARGH! OW. SHIT! HOLY HELL! DANG! AAAH! OUCH!"

202 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:34:01am

re: #201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That critter has a facial expression doesn't it?

Looks like Evel Kinevil at Ceasars Palace.

"So, Mr. Kinevil; what was going through your mind as you were crashing and breaking every bone in your body?"
"I was thinking, "AAARGH! OW. SHIT! HOLY HELL! DANG! AAAH! OUCH!"

he's probably the only non-medical person that can name every bone in a body!

203 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:42:20am

re: #195 sattv4u2

Reason # 1 that Pete Carroll bolted USC for the NFL

The NCAA will ban USC’s football team from the postseason for two years and strip the program of scholarships, the Los Angeles Times and ESPN.com reported.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

I've said for years that sanctions against a college team should not only be imposed on the team itself but should follow the coach and / or athletic director

And how do you propose to do that between regulatory bodies like the NCAA and the NFL? I mean, the NFL loves it when teams cheat, it makes them more money./

204 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:48:13am

re: #203 thedopefishlives

And how do you propose to do that between regulatory bodies like the NCAA and the NFL? I mean, the NFL loves it when teams cheat, it makes them more money./

Obviously it would take some effort when a coach jumps from college to pro, but that doesn't happen near as often as coaches jumping from college to college, so I would start there.
And no, the NFL (nor any league) "loves it when teams cheat". Leagues are all about image. What hurt the NBA in years past was incidents like the Pacers going into the stands. The Patriots (NFL) are STILL paying the PR price for 'cheating'. Only a small percentage of MLB players have been implicated in steroids yet there is a suspicion over the entire league

205 Summer Seale  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:49:27am

And yet another example of why I side with Christopher Hitchens in this fight:
CNN: Officials: Taliban executes boy, 7, for spying

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Suspected Taliban militants have executed a 7-year-old boy, accusing him of spying for the government, officials in southern Afghanistan said Thursday.

206 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:54:03am

re: #193 freetoken

Yes, read AT very carefully. Note that in supposedly dismissing the rumors the writer (and editor) leaves just enough room for doubt... which is all that is needed for the readers. If you doubt me, look at the comments for that story. It's a way to lead your audience while providing deniability. Ask yourself why that story even exists there at AT, and why it is absent from legitimate news outlets.

I don't generally read comments. As a general rule I only read the comments on 3 sites and this is one of them. I still think you're making a stretch.

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:54:37am

re: #202 sattv4u2

he's probably the only non-medical person that can name every bone in a body!

*SNAP!* "tibia"
*crunch* "ulna"
*pop* "fibula"
*pow!* tarsal
etc...

208 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:56:34am

re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*SNAP!* "tibia"
*crunch* "ulna"
*pop* "fibula"
*pow!* tarsal
etc...

exactly

209 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:56:51am

re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

btw ,,, you've got mail

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:56:54am

re: #203 thedopefishlives

And how do you propose to do that between regulatory bodies like the NCAA and the NFL? I mean, the NFL loves it when teams cheat and get away with it, it makes them more money./

211 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 4:59:37am

re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*SNAP!* "tibia"
*crunch* "ulna"
*pop* "fibula"
*pow!* tarsal
etc...

*crack!* "Ass"

212 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:16:48am

re: #204 sattv4u2

And no, the NFL (nor any league) "loves it when teams cheat". Leagues are all about image. What hurt the NBA in years past was incidents like the Pacers going into the stands. The Patriots (NFL) are STILL paying the PR price for 'cheating'. Only a small percentage of MLB players have been implicated in steroids yet there is a suspicion over the entire league

It was sarcasm, although I don't doubt that FBV's #210 has the right of it in at least some cases. It's typical of sports authorities to give a little leniency to the rock stars of their sport.

213 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:19:23am

re: #175 RogueOne

I'm not one of the folks who have promoted American Thinker but I went to their site to see what you were talking about and all I found was a very long essay on their main page explaining why the coup rumors were crazy talk. Can you give me a link that backs up your claim?

Rogue-- AT is a shithole. AT is the place where the whole "Bill Ayers wrote Obama's books!" meme started. (Jack Cashill)

I have a load of other info and links about them if you want. It's a pit.

BTW, I thought AT was an ok place to get conservative opinion a couple of years ago. They changed drastically imo.

214 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:21:28am

re: #193 freetoken

Yes, read AT very carefully. Note that in supposedly dismissing the rumors the writer (and editor) leaves just enough room for doubt... which is all that is needed for the readers. If you doubt me, look at the comments for that story. It's a way to lead your audience while providing deniability. Ask yourself why that story even exists there at AT, and why it is absent from legitimate news outlets.

That's exactly what dorothy rabinowitz did in the WSJ OpEd page yesterday too.

215 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:22:43am

Good morning?

216 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:26:05am

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good morning?

Well,, you're half right

It's morning, (at least here, that is)

217 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:27:17am

Blast Tears Through Afghan Wedding Celebration

KABUL, Afghanistan — A huge explosion tore through the wedding celebration of a local man who had joined an anti-Taliban militia in rural Kandahar Province late Wednesday, killing at least 39, according to provincial government officials.

The blast occurred in the courtyard of a family compound where hundreds of guests had gathered and came about 9:30 p.m., shortly after dark, adding to the sense of terror and confusion. In the smoke and fire, guests ran out of the house into the neighboring orchards where people grow pomegranates and have grape arbors.

“I saw the dead bodies all around me, lying like slaughtered animals,” said Noor al-Haq, 22 as he sat waiting for treatment at Mirwais Hospital in Kandahar.

ROPMA

218 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:27:51am

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good morning?

Yes?

219 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:30:04am

re: #205 Summer

And yet another example of why I side with Christopher Hitchens in this fight:
CNN: Officials: Taliban executes boy, 7, for spying

You side with Christopher Hitchens against the Taliban killing children? Hey, Me too!!!
//

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:34:53am
221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:35:02am

re: #212 thedopefishlives

Wasn't sarcasm.

Teams teach players how to draw fouls... point the other way when the ball was off them... bite in a scrum... etc... all forms of cheating (sometimes called 'gamesmanship')...

Gaylord Perry's in the fucking Hall of Fame for pete's sake.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:37:03am

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I swear at first I read that as "bite scrotum'. I need more coffee.

223 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:37:08am

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh no, I'm well aware of all that. I was being sarcastic in my statement, but I also noted that you have a good point in many cases. Sometimes league authorities do actually step in and prevent bad stuff from going down - always when it benefits them to do so.

224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:38:26am

re: #223 thedopefishlives

Yup

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's exactly what I meant (for you)

225 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:39:04am

re: #219 rwdflynavy

You side with Christopher Hitchens against the Taliban killing children? Hey, Me too!!!
//

I understand that Christopher Hitchens had a Jewish mother and a Jewish grandmother, which means that according to Jewish Law he is a Jew unless he converted to another religion.

226 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:39:33am

Today is Howlin' Wolf's 100th birthday. I believe T-Bone Walker had the same milestone a couple of weeks ago.

[Link: www.chicagomag.com...]

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:46:17am

re: #226 Mad Al-Jaffee

What are these... blues?...

228 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:46:30am

re: #225 Spare O'Lake
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

229 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:46:59am

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

I understand that Christopher Hitchens had a Jewish mother and a Jewish grandmother, which means that according to Jewish Law he is a Jew unless he converted to another religion.

I think Christopher Hitchens is a douche-bag, but I'm not Anti-Semitic!!!
//

230 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:49:11am

re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What are these... blues?...

At work, no Tubes for me!

231 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:49:29am

re: #230 Mad Al-Jaffee

At work, no Tubes for me!

The Tubes must flow.

232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:49:52am

re: #229 rwdflynavy

After he called Mother Teresa a selfish bitch, I never read another word he wrote.

233 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:50:27am

re: #213 iceweasel

Rogue-- AT is a shithole. AT is the place where the whole "Bill Ayers wrote Obama's books!" meme started. (Jack Cashill)

I have a load of other info and links about them if you want. It's a pit.

BTW, I thought AT was an ok place to get conservative opinion a couple of years ago. They changed drastically imo.

I'm not arguing that point. AT may well be a "shithole" for all I know. My point is there is enough real craziness to make fun of without resorting to misrepresentation. After the way I was pounded a few weeks ago I'm going to make sure to point out blatant hypocrisy, historical revisionism, and outright misrepresentation. When I see someone putting party above principle I'm going to make sure I give that person a hard time about it. For instance, ignoring the Soros ideology (and the fact that he's a dirtbag) while jumping all over Pat Robertson and Koch is going to get people called out for putting partisanship above reason. One more pet peeve, pointing out the craziness of O'reilly and beck while maintaining Ed Shultz and Rachel Maddow are real news reporters is goofy and completely partisan. All Rachel is missing is a chalkboard and fake tears and she would be Beck and Ed wants to be Rush Limbaugh so badly he's intentionally gaining weight.

I haven't gotten that impression from you, that you put party above principle, so don't take this min-rant as a personal attack. I'm also not saying FT was playing that game but he certainly walked up to the line.

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:50:43am

re: #230 Mad Al-Jaffee

At work, no Tubes for me!

Howling Wolf, "How Many More Years"

235 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:51:26am

re: #229 rwdflynavy

I think Christopher Hitchens is a douche-bag, but I'm not Anti-Semitic!!!
//

His being a douche is one of the reasons why I love him.

236 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:51:45am

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

After he called Mother Teresa a selfish bitch, I never read another word he wrote.

Upon further reflection, that may be an unfair comparison...seems a shame to insult douche-bags.

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:52:26am

Work. Y'all play nice.

238 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:53:51am

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Work. Y'all play nice.

*Puts flaming bag on FBV's doorstep*
Ok!

239 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:54:38am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

This should do it. Sanctions worked so well with Iraq.

And predictably, Brazil and Turkey voted "nay" and Lebanon abstained. It might have been worth it if these sanctions had teeth, but instead it's just another round of "Okay, those last sanctions didn't stop you, so how 'bout these?!"

240 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:54:54am

re: #238 Varek Raith

*Puts flaming bag on FBV's doorstep*
Ok!

Dude! Uncool!!
//

241 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:55:34am

re: #229 rwdflynavy

I think Christopher Hitchens is a douche-bag, but I'm not Anti-Semitic!!!
//

It's an interesting feature of Judaism that confers the status of Jew on anyone whose mother was Jewish. According to Hitchens he never even knew he was a Jew until his maternal grandmother let out the secret upon learning that his brother had just gotten engaged to marry a Jewish woman.
I always find these stories interesting, and it makes me think of how Hitler and the Nazis routinely traced maternal lineages looking for Jewish blood in people who were not practising Jews, in their pathalogical quest to better cleanse the master race.

242 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:56:07am

re: #238 Varek Raith

*Puts flaming bag on FBV's doorstep*
Ok!

There's ointment for that....

243 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:56:26am

re: #238 Varek Raith

*Puts flaming bag on FBV's doorstep*
Ok!

You set Helen Thomas on fire?!

244 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:58:27am

re: #243 Mad Al-Jaffee

You set Helen Thomas on fire?!

Right. You owe me a new keyboard for that.

245 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 5:59:30am

re: #243 Mad Al-Jaffee

You set Helen Thomas on fire?!

It's not my fault she spontaneously combusted...

246 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:01:55am

I'm trying to sucker my wife into updating her phone to the droid incredible and then trading me phones, I have a moto droid. I don't think she's falling for it. She vetoed my motorcycle plan last week so I think she owes me.

247 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:04:44am

re: #233 RogueOne

Bratwurst, you have a comment or do you just like to downding?

248 bratwurst  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:06:51am

re: #247 RogueOne

Bratwurst, you have a comment or do you just like to downding?

First of all, I am free to downding here.

Second of all, if you think the only difference between Maddow and Beck is a chalkboard, I can't really help you. I might, however, point to the fact that Maddow is really featured by your host here.

249 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:07:26am

re: #246 RogueOne

I'm trying to sucker my wife into updating her phone to the droid incredible and then trading me phones, I have a moto droid. I don't think she's falling for it. She vetoed my motorcycle plan last week so I think she owes me.

Tell her, "This is not the droid you're looking for."

250 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:08:08am

re: #249 Mad Al-Jaffee

Tell her, "This is not the droid you're looking for."

Image: ackbar_its_a_trap.jpg

251 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:10:21am

Obama to Write Foreword to Nelson Mandela's New Book


President Obama will pen the foreword to Nelson Mandela's new book, according to the book's publisher.

Farrar, Straus and Giroux announced today that the president will write the forward for "Conversations with Myself," which is slated for release in October. A press release from the publisher said the book will draw on the journals, diaries and letters the former South African president kept during and after his anti-apartheid struggle, Media Bistro notes.

Well isn't that special.

252 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:11:39am

I didn't really follow the primaries but.....
Sharron Angle: Nevada Candidate Already Providing Treasure Chest Of Goodies For Harry Reid

By Wednesday morning, the flood of opposition research on Angle had burst wide open. Talking Points Memo reported that Angle once "spoke out strongly against fluoride, the substance known alternately for improving dental health and as a Communist plot to undermine Western democracy." Prior to that, The Plum Line's Greg Sargent pointed to an interview that Angle gave to Liberty Watch magazine in February 2010, in which she suggested support for making alcohol consumption illegal. Reid's campaign, Sargent added, was planning to paint Angle as, essentially, crazy.

There is, indeed, a veritable treasure trove of information from which Reid and his backers can pick


What a lunatic.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:12:49am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I didn't really follow the primaries but...
Sharron Angle: Nevada Candidate Already Providing Treasure Chest Of Goodies For Harry Reid


What a lunatic.

Which one?

254 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:13:08am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I didn't really follow the primaries but...
Sharron Angle: Nevada Candidate Already Providing Treasure Chest Of Goodies For Harry Reid


What a lunatic.

Way to shoot yourselves in the foot, GOP.
Lol.

255 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:13:52am

re: #248 bratwurst

First of all, I am free to downding here.

Second of all, if you think the only difference between Maddow and Beck is a chalkboard, I can't really help you. I might, however, point to the fact that Maddow is really featured by your host here.

Downding didn't hurt my feelings, just offering you a chance to reply and I've pointed out my views on maddow on those threads featuring her. This isn't about Charles, this is about commenters. On those times Charles has responded to something I've said, or downdinged me, he's at least been consistent and polite unlike quite a few people. I don't feel like I've been pressured to agree with his views on any subject, and I don't think people really want an echo chamber in here, are you saying I should go along with the crowd regardless of my views?

256 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:14:18am

re: #88 freetoken


WND is back to birther-ing... now claiming a "professor" who was an "official" in elections in HI in 2008 claiming everyone knows there is no real long form... It turns out side "official" was just a temp and he is just a grad assistant teaching an English class.


Hey!

I just realized!

World Net Daily = WND = Wing Nut Daily!

Cool!

257 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:14:24am

re: #249 Mad Al-Jaffee

Tell her, "This is not the droid you're looking for."

She would not get it at all. I get a lot of blank stares when I use nerd language around her.

258 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:15:21am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I didn't really follow the primaries but...
Sharron Angle: Nevada Candidate Already Providing Treasure Chest Of Goodies For Harry Reid


What a lunatic.

Angle is obtuse.

260 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:15:52am

re: #258 Spare O'Lake

Angle is obtuse.

lol

261 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:16:07am

re: #258 Spare O'Lake

Angle is obtuse.

I wasn't told that math would be involved!

262 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:16:49am

re: #254 Varek Raith

Way to shoot yourselves in the foot, GOP.
Lol.

Agreed. They had the perfect opportunity to knock off Reid and it looks like they blew it. The only way she wins is if people aren't paying attention and cast their votes against reed instead of for Angle. The dems almost made the same mistake in Arkansas, if lincoln had lost the runoff they would be in the same boat.

263 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:17:48am

re: #254 Varek Raith

Way to shoot yourselves in the foot, GOP.
Lol.


Eventually they're going to figure out that these lunatics can't win general elections. I have no idea how long it's going to take for them to figure this out.

264 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:22:59am

re: #233 RogueOne

I'm not arguing that point. AT may well be a "shithole" for all I know. My point is there is enough real craziness to make fun of without resorting to misrepresentation.

My point was that freetoken is correct. AT is a site that is so crazy that the default assumption for anything coming out of it should be "lies."

I can give you links. I mentioned one major 'coup' for AT: Ayers wrote Obama's books.

AT really is so crazy now that posting there is a kook badge. I hope you'll accord my opinion some weight, considering that you know I have defended, and will defend, Reason as a source when and where I think Reason gets it right.

[...]. For instance, ignoring the Soros ideology (and the fact that he's a dirtbag) while jumping all over Pat Robertson and Koch is going to get people called out for putting partisanship above reason.

please tell me what the Soros ideology is, where you get that info from, and show me some comments by soros that are anything like robertson.

One more pet peeve, pointing out the craziness of O'reilly and beck while maintaining Ed Shultz and Rachel Maddow are real news reporters is goofy and completely partisan. All Rachel is missing is a chalkboard and fake tears and she would be Beck and Ed wants to be Rush Limbaugh so badly he's intentionally gaining weight.

You're just wrong here. Maddow is pretty great. You think she's almost Beck? lol

I haven't gotten that impression from you, that you put party above principle, so don't take this min-rant as a personal attack. I'm also not saying FT was playing that game but he certainly walked up to the line.

I am not a Democrat, so I really love it when people here try to claim I am 'partisan'. Not that you would.

I don't see what you're claiming in re FT.

265 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:23:59am

More crazy paranoia from DU:

"After all, she [Helen Thomas] was poised to break the sealed Rove indictment

Thats why they canned her I bet"

266 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:27:07am

FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) — Pointing their rifles, Mexican security forces chased away U.S. authorities investigating the shooting of a 15-year-old Mexican by a U.S. Border Patrol agent on the banks of the Rio Grande, the FBI and witnesses told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The killing of the Mexican by U.S. authorities — the second in less than two weeks — has exposed the distrust between the two countries that lies just below the surface, and has enraged Mexicans who see the death of the boy on Mexican soil as an act of murder.

Shortly after the boy was shot, Mexican soldiers arrived at the scene and pointed their guns at the Border Patrol agents across the riverbank while bystanders screamed insults and hurled rocks and firecrackers, FBI spokeswoman Andrea Simmons said. She said the agents were forced to withdraw.

"It pretty quickly got very intense over on the Mexican side," she said, adding that FBI agents showed up later and resumed the investigation, even as Mexican authorities pointed guns at them from across the river.

A relative of the dead boy who had been playing with him told the AP that the Mexicans — who he described as federal police, not soldiers — pointed their guns only when the Americans waded into the mud in an apparent attempt to cross into Mexico.

The Mexican authorities accused the Americans of trying to recover evidence from Mexican soil and threatened to kill them if they crossed the border, prompting both sides to draw their guns, said the 16-year-old boy who asked not to be further identified for fear of reprisal.

........"

Unless Obama and Calderon (who is really fanning the flames of late) hold some high-level discussions soon to defuse this tension, there will be an "incident".
I seem to remember reading right here at LGF articles posted in several cases where armed uniformed men have ventured across the border - at times with vehicles or helicopters - from Mexico.
This is not to say that all instances are the Mexican Army involved - could also be other security organizations or even those in the employment of the drug cartels.
Could be a hot summer indeed.

267 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:29:46am

re: #266 Ericus58

FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) — Pointing their rifles, Mexican security forces chased away U.S. authorities investigating the shooting of a 15-year-old Mexican by a U.S. Border Patrol agent on the banks of the Rio Grande, the FBI and witnesses told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The killing of the Mexican by U.S. authorities — the second in less than two weeks — has exposed the distrust between the two countries that lies just below the surface, and has enraged Mexicans who see the death of the boy on Mexican soil as an act of murder.

Shortly after the boy was shot, Mexican soldiers arrived at the scene and pointed their guns at the Border Patrol agents across the riverbank while bystanders screamed insults and hurled rocks and firecrackers, FBI spokeswoman Andrea Simmons said. She said the agents were forced to withdraw.

"It pretty quickly got very intense over on the Mexican side," she said, adding that FBI agents showed up later and resumed the investigation, even as Mexican authorities pointed guns at them from across the river.

A relative of the dead boy who had been playing with him told the AP that the Mexicans — who he described as federal police, not soldiers — pointed their guns only when the Americans waded into the mud in an apparent attempt to cross into Mexico.

The Mexican authorities accused the Americans of trying to recover evidence from Mexican soil and threatened to kill them if they crossed the border, prompting both sides to draw their guns, said the 16-year-old boy who asked not to be further identified for fear of reprisal.

..."

Unless Obama and Calderon (who is really fanning the flames of late) hold some high-level discussions soon to defuse this tension, there will be an "incident".
I seem to remember reading right here at LGF articles posted in several cases where armed uniformed men have ventured across the border - at times with vehicles or helicopters - from Mexico.
This is not to say that all instances are the Mexican Army involved - could also be other security organizations or even those in the employment of the drug cartels.
Could be a hot summer indeed.

There wouldn't be any of these problems if we just opened our borders.

268 iossarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:32:50am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

There wouldn't be any of these problems if we just opened our borders.

Let the free market sort it out! I like it.

269 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:34:53am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

There wouldn't be any of these problems if we just opened our borders.

Or if we built a forty-foot wall with moats, barbed wire, gun towers, guard dogs and searchlights. Anything inbetween is a half-measure that is bound to fail.

270 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:35:48am

re: #269 ralphieboy

Or if we built a forty-foot wall with moats, barbed wire, gun towers, guard dogs and searchlights. Anything inbetween is a half-measure that is bound to fail.

Fortress America.

/Look it up, it's a classic 80's Risk-type strategy board game

271 iossarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:36:39am

re: #269 ralphieboy

Or if we built a forty-foot wall with moats, barbed wire, gun towers, guard dogs and searchlights. Anything inbetween is a half-measure that is bound to fail.

You forgot the frickin' laser beams.

272 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:37:16am

Let's not forget what happened with Hitler's "Fortress Europe"

273 mj  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:40:38am

Reuters' Double Exposure

Days after being caught cropping photos for political effect, Reuters releases a photo bank of Hamas propaganda images from Gaza.

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

274 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:41:05am

re: #272 ralphieboy

Let's not forget what happened with Hitler's "Fortress Europe"

In Hearts of Iron, I made it succeed marvelously.
/

275 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:42:34am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

There wouldn't be any of these problems if we just opened our borders.

They're closed !?!?!

276 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:44:18am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

There wouldn't be any of these problems if we just opened our borders.

I like your style.

277 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:44:44am

The ethnic cleansing of the red states begins....
Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

Though no one has precise figures, reports from school officials, businesses and individuals indicate worried Hispanics — both legal and illegal — are leaving the state in anticipation of the law, which will go into effect July 29.

Schools in Hispanic areas report unusual drops in enrollment. The Balsz Elementary School District is 75% Hispanic, and within a month of the law's passage, the parents of 70 students pulled them out of school, said District Superintendent Jeffrey Smith. The district lost seven students over the same one-month period last year, and parents tell Smith the Arizona law is the reason for leaving.

"They're leaving to another state where they feel more welcome," he said.

278 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:45:33am

re: #272 ralphieboy

Let's not forget what happened with Hitler's "Fortress Europe"

That ain't computing, Amigo.

279 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:46:24am
"If I were alone, I'd try to stay. But I have a family, and I have to find a place where we can live with more freedom," said Cruz, who hopes to move July 4 to blend in with holiday weekend traffic. "This is getting too hard."


Liberty!
/tea party

280 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:48:13am

re: #277 Killgore Trout

The ethnic cleansing of the red states begins...
Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

So ,,,

If the fed law was being prosecuted the same as the Arizona law is expected to be (the laws being virtually identical, btw),,, hmmmm

281 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:49:37am

re: #279 Killgore Trout

I have to find a place where we can live with more freedom

TRANSLATION,,, I have to find a place where I can break the law and nobody cares!!

282 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:49:53am

re: #264 iceweasel

A. She's a conspiracy theorist, just like Beck. Like I said all she's missing is the chalkboard and tears.

B. Soros is an ideologue, there are people around here that won't take the word of any group that is aligned with the Koch Foundation because they're partisans but love to be spoon fed from soros backed sources.

C. Soros made his money the same way Robertson tries to make his, off the backs of the poor and underprivileged. Dirtbags, both of them. The only difference is one loves gold and the other loves diamonds.

283 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:50:42am

re: #280 sattv4u2

So ,,,

If the fed law was being prosecuted the same as the Arizona law is expected to be (the laws being virtually identical, btw),,, hmmm

Yes, I'm aware of that talking point.

284 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:51:11am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

There were some people last week saying it might be a good idea for american LEO's to chase people across the border. This is example #83 why that's a bad idea.

285 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:51:35am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Yes, I'm aware of that talking point.

I see.

Federal Laws are now "talking points"

DRINK!

286 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:51:39am

re: #274 Varek Raith

In Hearts of Iron, I made it succeed marvelously.
/

You mean you weren't too stoned off your nut from your "vitamin injections" to be awakened when the allies landed?

287 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:51:59am

re: #281 sattv4u2


TRANSLATION,,, I have to find a place where I can break the law and nobody cares!!


Why do you assume someone with the name "Juan Carlos" is a criminal?

288 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:52:04am

re: #277 Killgore Trout

"The ethnic cleansing of the red states begins..."

I'm sorry, KT. I must have missed the memo that Arizona was rounding up anyone found illegally in the US into camps and exterminating them.

In all seriousness, adding hyperbole to the debate is not good form. We can debate the pro's/con's of the law to be enacted. We should not play into the hands of the extreme of either side.

289 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:53:14am

re: #287 Killgore Trout

Why do you assume someone with the name "Juan Carlos" is a criminal?

Why do you assume I do?
Why would "Juan Carlos" have to move if he were a legal citizen/ visitor?

290 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:54:25am

re: #289 sattv4u2

Why do you assume I do?
Why would "Juan Carlos" have to move if he were a legal citizen/ visitor?

Because he (wrongly) fears that, due to his name and his ethnicity, cops will go out of their way to harass him and accuse him of being an illegal.

291 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:54:42am

re: #288 Ericus58

So one effect of the Arizona law is that the problem is going to migrate to other states. But that will again force the Federal government to take some action to address the problem at a national level, where it needs to be addressed.

292 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:54:43am

re: #287 Killgore Trout

re: #289 sattv4u2

Why do you assume I do?
Why would "Juan Carlos" have to move if he were a legal citizen/ visitor?

And btw,,, one of my sons best friends and soccer teammates name is Juan Carlos

Great kid,,, wonderful family,,,

293 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:55:03am

re: #270 thedopefishlives

Fortress America.

/Look it up, it's a classic 80's Risk-type strategy board game

I remember that!

294 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:56:14am

re: #269 ralphieboy

Or if we built a forty-foot wall with moats, barbed wire, gun towers, guard dogs and searchlights. Anything inbetween is a half-measure that is bound to fail.

I updinged that because I assumed it was sarcasm. Either way, it's still funny.

295 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:57:10am

re: #293 JasonA

I remember that!

I still have a copy, in good condition, somewhere in my parents' attic. I think.

296 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:57:19am

re: #277 Killgore Trout

The ethnic cleansing of the red states begins...
Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

FTA:


Juan Carlos Cruz, an illegal immigrant who has worked in plant nurseries for 20 years, huddled with dozens of relatives over the Memorial Day Weekend in the backyard of his brother's Phoenix-area home to plot out the family's next move to avoid what they say will be harassment by police. Virginia and California are the front-runners.

"If I were alone, I'd try to stay. But I have a family, and I have to find a place where we can live with more freedom," said Cruz, who hopes to move July 4 to blend in with holiday weekend traffic. "This is getting too hard."

297 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:58:07am

re: #294 RogueOne

I updinged that because I assumed it was sarcasm. Either way, it's still funny.


I left the sarc tag off because once I finished it, I realized it was darkly humorous...

Face it, the gravitational pull of our economy is going to require a very serious barrier to keep people from attempting to cross the border unless we really put up the equivalent of 2,000 miles of Berlin Wall.

298 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:58:21am

Clyburn says S.C. Dem Senate candidate is a 'plant,' calls for probe


The man nominated as Democrats' candidate for Senate in South Carolina might have been a "plant," a high-ranking Democrat suggested Thursday.

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) called on the U.S. Attorney's office in South Carolina to investigate the circumstances that led to Alvin Greene winning the Democratic primary for Senate in the state earlier this week.

"There were some real shenanigans going on in the South Carolina primary," Clyburn said during an appearance on the liberal Bill Press radio show. "I don't know if he was a Republican plant; he was someone's plant." The third-ranking House Democrat said he found it strange that Greene, a relative unknown prior to Tuesday, was able to produce the money to register and run for Senate, despite being unemployed. Greene allegedly tried to pay in cash, and Clyburn said he wondered whether or not an outside party might have funded that and Greene's campaign, in violation of federal campaign finance laws.

The republicans are planting felons in the Democrat party and getting them elected?

/Rove you magnificent...

299 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:58:25am

re: #296 RogueOne

oh my ,,, gee ,,, I didn;t see that 1st paragraph in KT's take on the story

I'm sure it was just an oversite!

300 Kefirah  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:58:36am

in international legal news:

hamas and turkey are preparing a court case in the international court of justice at the hague against israel for the country's enforcement of its blockade.

also there are reports that a case might be coming out of germany.

irony of ironies? the turks are hampered by the fact that both THEY and the israelis do not recognize the court's jurisdiction.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

301 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:58:48am

re: #292 sattv4u2

re: #289 sattv4u2


And btw,,, one of my sons best friends and soccer teammates name is Juan Carlos

I have a good friend and former bandmate with that name. Excellent guitarist and great guy. He's originally from Puerto Rico, so he's almost American.
/

302 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:00:04am

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

Clyburn says S.C. Dem Senate candidate is a 'plant,' calls for probe


The republicans are planting felons in the Democrat party and getting them elected?

/Rove you magnificent...

Great, perhaps in California they will try running a pot plant in Mendocino county...

303 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:00:38am

re: #300 Kefirah

in international legal news:

hamas and turkey are preparing a court case in the international court of justice at the hague against israel for the country's enforcement of its blockade.

also there are reports that a case might be coming out of germany.

irony of ironies? the turks are hampered by the fact that both THEY and the israelis do not recognize the court's jurisdiction.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Neither does the US, which should really make the anti-Israel lobby grind their teeth. If the International Kangaroo Kourt comes down on Hamas' side, who are they going to demand enforce their decision?

304 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:00:47am

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have a good friend and former bandmate with that name. Excellent guitarist and great guy. He's originally from Puerto Rico, so he's almost American.
/

Would that be enough to keep him out of a police sweep in Arizona?

305 Kefirah  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:01:31am

re: #303 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

mmm. some delicious irony with my coffee + jury service this morning.

306 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:01:55am

re: #282 RogueOne


A. She's a conspiracy theorist, just like Beck. Like I said all she's missing is the chalkboard and tears.

Wrong.
BTW, the original question here was hiow reliable American Thinker is. Can I take it as a given that you've conceded that they're shit? Is that why you'd like to change the discussion now?

B. Soros is an ideologue, there are people around here that won't take the word of any group that is aligned with the Koch Foundation because they're partisans but love to be spoon fed from soros backed sources.

Name the 'soros backed sources'. Hint: Soros doesn't fund media matters and did not found MoveOn.

Please list the Soros-backed sources you mean. For extra credit, please list LGF posts by Charles linking to Maddow and/or media matters, and then tell me why those posts are good but commenters linking those sources are bad.


C. Soros made his money the same way Robertson tries to make his, off the backs of the poor and underprivileged.

Explain why you think this, and in light of the answer pending to B, why I should care.

307 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:02:38am

And on that note

the long drive home awaits

308 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:03:31am

re: #304 ralphieboy

Would that be enough to keep him out of a police sweep in Arizona?

I think as long as he didn't get caught doing anything illegal there, he wouldn't be asked for his "papers." He does enjoy the herb though, so he should be careful if he ever goes down there.

309 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:05:15am

re: #288 Ericus58

In all seriousness, adding hyperbole to the debate is not good form. We can debate the pro's/con's of the law to be enacted. We should not play into the hands of the extreme of either side.


Sorry but the report is that hispanics are leaving because they fear persecution. The law was written by real white supremacists and creating fear among ethnic minorities was an intended consequence. They'll move somewhere else and they'll vote Dem.

310 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:07:00am

re: #309 Killgore Trout

Sorry but the report is that hispanics are leaving because they fear persecution. The law was written by real white supremacists and creating fear among ethnic minorities was an intended consequence. They'll move somewhere else and they'll vote Dem.

I hope the only ones voting will be those who are citizens, not the ones here illegally.

311 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:08:29am

'Follow the Islamic way to save the world,' Prince Charles urges environmentalists

Prince Charles yesterday urged the world to follow Islamic 'spiritual principles' in order to protect the environment.

In an hour-long speech, the heir to the throne argued that man's destruction of the world was contrary to the scriptures of all religions - but particularly those of Islam.

He said the current 'division' between man and nature had been caused not just by industrialisation, but also by our attitude to the environment - which goes against the grain of 'sacred traditions'.

Charles, who is a practising Christian and will become the head of the Church of England when he succeeds to the throne, spoke in depth about his own study of the Koran which, he said, tells its followers that there is 'no separation between man and nature' and says we must always live within our environment's limits.

312 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:08:42am

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I hope the only ones voting will be those who are citizens, not the ones here illegally.

Yes, I'm talking about Hispanic citizens.

313 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:10:32am

re: #309 Killgore Trout

Sorry but the report is that hispanics are leaving because they fear persecution. The law was written by real white supremacists and creating fear among ethnic minorities was an intended consequence. They'll move somewhere else and they'll vote Dem.

The Arizona law mirrors federal law, which is even more strict than the state's version. Did white supremacists infiltrate the US government?

314 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:11:07am

re: #309 Killgore Trout

Sorry but the report is that hispanics are leaving because they fear persecution. The law was written by real white supremacists and creating fear among ethnic minorities was an intended consequence. They'll move somewhere else and they'll vote Dem.

Are all Hispanics leaving Arizona? Including the ones who've spoken up in support of the new law?

315 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:11:15am

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I hope the only ones voting will be those who are citizens, not the ones here illegally.

Since you don't have to show ID at most voting places, who's gonna know?

316 Kefirah  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:11:18am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

and, for those that aren't citizens, their citizen.family.members will certainly take up the voting slack for them.

i would be irreparably peeved if my brother or cousin had to pack up and move to virginia because of persecution.

317 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:11:52am

re: #309 Killgore Trout

A friend of mine runs a PR firm that does publicity for a venture capital group that funds high-tech startups. They hold a 'gathering of the CEOs' every year, and this year they were in Pheonix. It's a way for a lot of really smart people to get together, swap ideas, sometimes even merge companies or create strategic partnerships. Cool deal.

The Mayor of Pheonix made a special appearance at the conference, bluntly pleading with them to keep having conferences in Pheonix. He's said that they are bleeding shitloads of money because the relatives of the (perfectly legal) students are not coming up to the US for graduation ceremonies, birthday parties, christenings, first communion-- much less simple vacations-- and that this is hurting Pheonix's economy badly.

He likewise reminded these guys that the boycott of Arizona hurts a lot if Hispanic workers, as well, especially in the hospitality industry. He pleaded with them to let the law work its way out, said that sometimes bad laws get passed and need to be amended, but that economic action is not the solution.

A lot of the CEOs still told him, bluntly, that if the conference scheduling date had been after the law had passed, they wouldn't have come there, because it felt disrespectful to their Hispanic workers. They also said they don't think any company that has Hispanic workers would feel comfortable scheduling the conference there. They accepted the validity of his economic argument, but they didn't feel that 'help the poor busboys' was going to be able to overcome the animus of the law.

It does go to prove what a monstrosity the government can be, and how deeply you can fuck things up with a single law.

318 researchok  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:11:59am

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

'Follow the Islamic way to save the world,' Prince Charles urges environmentalists

I do hope the Queen sticks around for another 30 or so years.

- Tony, Point Cook, Australia, 10/6/2010 11:20

319 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:13:07am

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I hope the only ones voting will be those who are citizens, not the ones here illegally.

Do you have any concern that a lot of illegal aliens vote? What has caused this concern?

I have never seen anyone substantiate a claim that illegal aliens are voting in any substantial numbers.

320 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:13:13am

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

Since you don't have to show ID at most voting places, who's gonna know?

I don't know which states do or do not require ID. Ours does.

At any rate, I suspect those here illegally are NOT voting; I just wanted to clarify (and perhaps it was clumsily done) what Killgore meant.

321 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:13:44am

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

'Follow the Islamic way to save the world,' Prince Charles urges environmentalists

More dead infidels (especially joo infidels) means less CO2 exhaled.

322 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:14:29am

re: #319 Obdicut

Do you have any concern that a lot of illegal aliens vote? What has caused this concern?

I have never seen anyone substantiate a claim that illegal aliens are voting in any substantial numbers.

No, I don't have that concern.
See:
re: #320 reine.de.tout

I don't know which states do or do not require ID. Ours does.

At any rate, I suspect those here illegally are NOT voting; I just wanted to clarify (and perhaps it was clumsily done) what Killgore meant.

Is there anyone here who thinks those who not citizens, whether here legally or illegally, should be able to vote?

Good grief.

323 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:14:51am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

The Arizona law mirrors federal law, which is even more strict than the state's version. Did white supremacists infiltrate the US government?

No, it doesn't. The federal law does not mandate that the feds verify the citizenship status at every 'stop', just on arrest. It also does not provide a mechanism for the feds to be sued if citizens think they're not prioritizing illegal-busting highly enough.

324 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:15:08am

re: #321 Mad Al-Jaffee

More dead infidels (especially joo infidels) means less CO2 exhaled.

Global Warming fixed...Gaia cured!

325 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:15:50am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

Did white supremacists infiltrate the US government?

Rep. Linda Sanchez ignites debate by linking Arizona law to white supremacists

We had threads about it here on LGF.

326 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:16:17am

re: #319 Obdicut

Do you have any concern that a lot of illegal aliens vote? What has caused this concern?

Bigotry, hatred, ignorance. That's the usual deal, definitely not always in that order, when people believe this.

I have never seen anyone substantiate a claim that illegal aliens are voting in any substantial numbers.

There's a reason for that. It's because it doesn't happen.

327 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:16:19am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

New Jersey doesn't fluoridate the water. I don't get it.

With Vegas, I figure it has something to do with having a good time and bodily fluids.

328 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:16:32am

re: #322 reine.de.tout

Sorry, Reine, I didn't think so, so I wanted to verify.

329 researchok  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:16:47am

re: #319 Obdicut

Do you have any concern that a lot of illegal aliens vote? What has caused this concern?

I have never seen anyone substantiate a claim that illegal aliens are voting in any substantial numbers.

Obdi, see this. I wrote about it at the time

EXCLUSIVE: Hundreds of Non Citizens Have Registered to Vote in Bexar County

330 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:17:46am

re: #317 Obdicut

Agreed. It's a really bad law and it's going to hurt a lot people. Mostly it's going to hurt the state of Arizona.

331 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:17:56am

re: #323 Obdicut

No, it doesn't. The federal law does not mandate that the feds verify the citizenship status at every 'stop', just on arrest. It also does not provide a mechanism for the feds to be sued if citizens think they're not prioritizing illegal-busting highly enough.

Neither does the state law. They must have a reason to suspect they are illegal before they ask for proof. All the people saying the cops are going to randomly go up to anyone who looks Hispanic and ask for their papers is lying.

332 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:18:50am

re: #327 lawhawk

What a brilliant movie.

333 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:21:12am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

You're overlooking the difference I'm pointing out. The federal law does not mandate that they have to verify if they have any reasonable doubt on any stop. It does not provide a mechanism for citizens to sue law enforcement if they feel that law enforcement has its priorities wrong; I'm really not in favor of second-guessing law-enforcement like that. Not with lawsuits, anyway.

334 researchok  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:23:10am

re: #326 iceweasel

There's a reason for that. It's because it doesn't happen.

I'm against the AZ law, but the illegal voter issue is one that merits watching, sadly.

See these:

How to Steal an Election

Hundreds of felons cast votes illegally

Hyperbole aside, the issue does merit watching.

And I shall refrain from any and all Cook County humor.

335 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:27:39am

re: #329 researchok

Obdi, see this. I wrote about it at the time

EXCLUSIVE: Hundreds of Non Citizens Have Registered to Vote in Bexar County

That's a really weird report.

First:

Hundreds of non citizens, most of whom are believed to be illegal immigrants, have registered to vote in Bexar County in recent years and dozens of them have actually cast ballots, canceling out the votes of U.S. citizens, 1200 WOAI news will report Thursday morning.

Why are most believed to be illegal immigrants?

Further, in another story from the same station, the same person, Jackie Callahan, is said to dispute the figures:

[Link: radio.woai.com...]

She furthermore said that the previous registration forms didn't actually note that you had to be an America citizen, which seems like an insane oversight, but one that could lead to confusion on the part of immigrants.

It just doesn't make any sense. Illegal immigrants do everything they can do to keep their head down. I can't find any backup for this story, anything to indicate it was anything other than a local problem with voter registration, and nothing that confirms that the ballots were counted after having been cast. It seems like it was a problem with the voter verification system that has now been fixed.

This systemic report, done by the Bush Justice Department, found scant evidence of any sort of voter fraud-- which would include voting by illegal aliens.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

It seems a lot more credible than that story.

336 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:29:57am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

What a brilliant movie.

- Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
- Full Metal Jacket (1987)
- The Shining (1980)
- A Clockwork Orange (1971)
- 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
- Dr. Strangelove (1964)
- Lolita (1962)
- Spartacus (1960)

Kubrik never won an Oscar for best movie or best director. How are we supposed to believe in God?

337 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:31:13am

re: #336 Nimed

Eyes Wide Shut sucked, and he said he regretted making A Clockwork Orange. But the others are all Oscar-worthy.

Especially Dr. Strangelove. That ruled.

338 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:31:53am

re: #334 researchok

I'm against the AZ law, but the illegal voter issue is one that merits watching, sadly.

See these:

How to Steal an Election

Hundreds of felons cast votes illegally

Hyperbole aside, the issue does merit watching.

And I shall refrain from any and all Cook County humor.

Of course it merits watching.

But I've never seen anything credible to indicate that thousands of illegals are voting resulting in a disruption of our the election process.

339 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:32:21am

re: #337 Obdicut

Eyes Wide Shut sucked, and he said he regretted making A Clockwork Orange. But the others are all Oscar-worthy.

Especially Dr. Strangelove. That ruled.

That was a weird movie. I have to desire to ever watch it again.

340 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:34:15am

re: #336 Nimed

The Oscars (like most entertainment awards) are bullshit.

341 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:34:17am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

That was a weird movie. I have to desire to ever watch it again.

I just can't take Tom Cruise seriously when he tries to display any emotion. Or when he acts outside his shtick. I kind of wonder if Tom Cruise watched this skit by Rich Hall, got upset, and tried to actually act:

342 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:35:34am

re: #338 reine.de.tout

Of course it merits watching.

But I've never seen anything credible to indicate that thousands of illegals are voting resulting in a disruption of our the election process.

What a sensible answer.

I guess you retract this, right?

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I hope the only ones voting will be those who are citizens, not the ones here illegally.

343 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:36:02am

Class greets German twin town visitors with 'shameful' Nazi salute

A group of German teenagers were stunned when English students from their 'twin town' school greeted them with with the Nazi salute.

Students from the Community College in Whitstable, Kent, raised their hands in the 'Heil Hitler' salute, also known as the Hitler salute, as the German students entered their classroom.

The students, from the town of Borken, said they were extremely offended by the gesture.

344 researchok  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:36:18am

re: #335 Obdicut

She furthermore said that the previous registration forms didn't actually note that you had to be an America citizen, which seems like an insane oversight, but one that could lead to confusion on the part of immigrants.

It just doesn't make any sense. Illegal immigrants do everything they can do to keep their head down. I can't find any backup for this story, anything to indicate it was anything other than a local problem with voter registration, and nothing that confirms that the ballots were counted after having been cast. It seems like it was a problem with the voter verification system that has now been fixed.

This systemic report, done by the Bush Justice Department, found scant evidence of any sort of voter fraud-- which would include voting by illegal aliens.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

It seems a lot more credible than that story.

Well, they had not been through the legal system ( as in 'alleged criminal').

Again, I'm no expert- I am relying on reprted events- but it does seem that there are issues at the very least, of possible or potential fraud that ought to be addressed.

See this from Project Vote

There are references to illegal voting.

In my opinion, the real question is how prevalent the practice is. I don't believe it is huge, but I do think it merits attention.

345 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:36:39am

Good morning, honcos.

Today is Pie Day. What shall I bake today? I'd like to do pecan.

346 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:37:34am

President party boy

Last week's jobs report tanked the stock market; the president took weeks to assert control of the oil spill that threatens doom on the Gulf Coast -- but at the White House the Gatsby-like parties roll on as if happy days were here again.

Just yesterday, President Obama held another fun-filled White House event, a picnic for Congress members, complete with hot dogs, cold beverages and a fire pit.

All told, during the last seven weeks of spewing oil and rampant unemployment, he has frolicked and danced through three major White House music parties:

* The black-tie tent bash on the White House South Lawn after the state dinner for Mexico's President Felipe Calderón, which featured singer Beyoncé.

* The Paul McCartney hootenanny -- a night of tributes to the former Beatle, which featured the president himself scooting onto the dance floor to join the Jonas Brothers in the long "la-la-la" closing refrain of "Hey Jude." (Plus, of course, McCartney serenading the first lady with "Michelle.")

* The Ford Theater event -- in which the president, taking a break from "kicking ass" on the oil spill, kicked back and relaxed to the song stylings of one-time "American Idol" winner Kelly Clarkson, among other B-listers.

It was one thing when the president launched his White House days with a round of Martini Wednesdays, Stevie Wonder concerts, conga-line dancing and Super Bowl parties. That was before the gushing oil and before the employment picture defied the Obama hope-and-change cures.

Now it's different. Now the president's fascination with fun and parties in the midst of crisis has not only reinforced a feeling he's out of touch, but has migrated down the chain of command.

347 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:37:48am

re: #337 Obdicut

Eyes Wide Shut sucked, and he said he regretted making A Clockwork Orange. But the others are all Oscar-worthy.

Especially Dr. Strangelove. That ruled.

So many people think that about Eyes Wide Shut. I loved the damn movie -- and I loved A Clockwork Orange too! Did he say why regretted making it?

The only movie that I didn't particularly like was Barry Lindon. Kinda boring. But I'm with you on all the other movies.

AI would have been so much better if he had directed it...

348 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:38:06am

re: #345 Alouette

Good morning, honcos.

Today is Pie Day. What shall I bake today? I'd like to do pecan.

Pecan pie with chocolate chips.

349 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:40:05am

re: #340 Mad Al-Jaffee

The Oscars (like most entertainment awards) are bullshit.

Shakespeare in Love beat out Life is Beautiful.

Cavalcade beat out A Farewell To Arms.

Titanic beat L.A. Confidential.

And in one of the stupidest of all time:

Around the World in 80 Days beat The Searchers, which wasn't even nominated.

The Oscars are crap.

350 researchok  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:41:22am

re: #338 reine.de.tout

Of course it merits watching.

But I've never seen anything credible to indicate that thousands of illegals are voting resulting in a disruption of our the election process.

Reine, see this

EXCLUSIVE: Hundreds of Non Citizens Have Registered to Vote in Bexar County

To be clear, I am against the AZ law/ I am just pointing out that the potential for problems is huge. This story is about one single county. Even if the story is half right- or 10% right, the issue is pressing.

351 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:41:23am

re: #343 NJDhockeyfan

Class greets German twin town visitors with 'shameful' Nazi salute

Which Prince of England was the one that dressed up as a Nazi for a party?

352 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:42:15am

Now I know why Obama has shown a lack of emotion for the oil spill....according to CNN it's white people's fault....

Why Obama doesn't dare become the 'angry black man'

(CNN) -- Here's proof that President Obama has indeed ushered in a new era in race relations.

Who would have ever expected some white Americans to demand that an African-American man show more rage?

If you've followed the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster, you've heard the complaints that Obama isn't showing enough emotion.

But scholars say Obama's critics ignore a lesson from American history: Many white Americans don't like angry black men.

Incredible stupidity.

353 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:42:23am

re: #344 researchok

No, I don't think it means they haven't been through the legal system. I think it means that they're not distinguishing between illegal aliens and legal, green-card immigrants who thought they could register to vote. At least some of them were definitely that. If you read the Justice department report, that happens depressingly often-- and people get deported for it, even though they had no dishonest intent.

In my opinion, the real question is how prevalent the practice is. I don't believe it is huge, but I do think it merits attention.

I think it has received attention, viz, the Bush Justice department 5-year long probe that turned up bupkus.

354 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:43:27am

re: #347 Nimed

I still haven't seen Spartacus. I need to watch it one of these days.

The Killing is another classic Kubrick film.

355 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:43:35am

re: #349 Obdicut

Shakespeare in Love beat out Life is Beautiful Saving Private Ryan.


The Oscars are crap.

Fixt.

356 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:43:36am

re: #337 Obdicut

Only one of those I haven't seen in its entirety is Eyes Wide Shut. The rest of them are classics. His movies are or should be required watching by students of film.

Heck, 2001 didn't even have a single word of dialog for the first 1/3 of the movie - and you don't miss a beat because it's the visuals that count. It was masterful.

357 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:43:48am

re: #346 NJDhockeyfan

Gee, I hope he had time for a round of golf...

358 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:44:19am

I guess he forgot he had the right to remain silent.


Police clocked Joseph Carbone driving 113 miles an hour on the LIE early Wednesday morning, but the Long Island resident insists they're wrong: he was going faster.

Cops allege that when they pulled Carbone's $80,000 Maserati over at around 3 am, the driver told them to check their radar equipment because he was really going 135 miles an hour.

And as if that wasn't bad enough, Carbone proceeded to tell the officer that that he had been drinking.

LINK

359 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:44:26am

re: #356 lawhawk

Only one of those I haven't seen in its entirety is Eyes Wide Shut. The rest of them are classics. His movies are or should be required watching by students of film.

Heck, 2001 didn't even have a single word of dialog for the first 1/3 of the movie - and you don't miss a beat because it's the visuals that count. It was masterful.

You have no idea how much hate is directed at that movie. I'd call it my favorite, though.

360 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:45:29am

re: #349 Obdicut

Shakespeare in Love beat out Life is Beautiful.

Cavalcade beat out A Farewell To Arms.

Titanic beat L.A. Confidential.

And in one of the stupidest of all time:

Around the World in 80 Days beat The Searchers, which wasn't even nominated.

The Oscars are crap.

Shakespeare in Love may not be the worst film ever to win the big one, but it's definitely a serious contender.

361 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:46:05am

re: #347 Nimed

Hrm, now I'm wondering if the "Kubrick regrets" wasn't an urban legend.

I had heard he said he regretted the level of violence in the movie, feeling it was exploitative.

But I can't find anything on that, so I may be wrong.

362 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:46:47am

re: #349 Obdicut

Shakespeare in Love beat out Life is Beautiful.

Cavalcade beat out A Farewell To Arms.

Titanic beat L.A. Confidential.

And in one of the stupidest of all time:

Around the World in 80 Days beat The Searchers, which wasn't even nominated.

The Oscars are crap.

Forrest Gump beat Pulp Fiction. Scorsese got nothing until The Departed.

363 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:46:59am

re: #354 Mad Al-Jaffee

I still haven't seen Spartacus. I need to watch it one of these days.

The Killing is another classic Kubrick film.

One of the few I've never seen. Adding it to my list right now.

364 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:47:04am

Charles, I meant to watch the video when you posted it last night, but just got around to it now. It pleases both the eye & the heart in a way that not not many things do. Thank you for posting it.

If you like Celtic Galician music, you might enjoy these songs by Luar Na Lubre:

365 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:47:59am

re: #358 Reginald Perrin

I guess he forgot he had the right to remain silent.

LINK

But he was drinking so he didn't have the ability to remain silent.

366 Macha  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:49:07am

re: #317 Obdicut

He likewise reminded these guys that the boycott of Arizona hurts a lot if Hispanic workers, as well, especially in the hospitality industry.

Many of these are illegal. They want it both ways. So sorry, go talk to your Governor.

367 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:49:15am

Genetic study sheds light on Jewish diaspora

Scientists have shed light on Jewish history with an in-depth genetic study.

The researchers analysed genetic samples from 14 Jewish communities across the world and compared them with those from 69 non-Jewish populations.

Their study, published in Nature, revealed that most Jewish populations were "genetically closer" to each other than to their non-Jewish neighbours.

It also revealed genetic ties between globally dispersed Jews and non-Jewish populations in the Middle East.

This fits with the idea that most contemporary Jews descended from ancient Hebrew and Israelite residents in the Middle Eastern region known as the Levant. It provides a trace of the Jewish diaspora.

Helen Thomas was unavailable for comment.

368 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:50:33am

re: #363 Nimed

One of the few I've never seen. Adding it to my list right now.

It had a big influence on some of Tarantino's crime films.

369 researchok  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:51:17am

re: #353 Obdicut

No, I don't think it means they haven't been through the legal system. I think it means that they're not distinguishing between illegal aliens and legal, green-card immigrants who thought they could register to vote. At least some of them were definitely that. If you read the Justice department report, that happens depressingly often-- and people get deported for it, even though they had no dishonest intent.

I think it has received attention, viz, the Bush Justice department 5-year long probe that turned up bupkus.

I just don't know enough, as I said.

I do believe fraudulent voting has been a problem that has yet to be satisfactorily fixed (Cook County dead voters come to mind). I also suspect the problem will get worse before it gets better and I also believe the problem won't fix itself.

370 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:52:24am

re: #342 iceweasel

I retract nothing.
I have explained myself.
I do hope that the only people who vote are citizens.
I think that's a quite sensible thing to hope for.

I have not seen anything credible that illegals are voting, or voting in numbers that disrupt our election process.

These views do not negate each other.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

371 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:53:49am

re: #360 Nimed

Shakespeare in Love may not be the worst film ever to win the big one, but it's definitely a serious contender.

Friggin' Miramax. Expert Oscar fishers they were.

372 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:54:40am

re: #349 Obdicut

Shakespeare in Love was a good flick, but not nearly as good as Saving Private Ryan. The real travesty was that Judi Dench won for less than 10 minutes of screen time in S in L over Kathy Bates for her role in Primary Colors.

373 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:55:03am

re: #364 CuriousLurker


If you like Celtic Galician music, you might enjoy these songs by Luar Na Lubre:


[Video]

For a second there I thought you were doing the backwards name thing for someone...

374 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:55:39am

re: #370 reine.de.tout

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

I'd nominate that for a rotating title. That's epic.

375 Macha  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:55:54am

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I hope the only ones voting will be those who are citizens, not the ones here illegally.

Voter registration needs to be updated. It is easy to get an absentee ballot. A co-worker of mine in the past, Hispanic, well educated with a Master's degree, had her extended family members all obtain absentee ballots. At election time, she gathered them up and voted for everyone. I'm sure some of her family were illegal, but had no way to prove it. I don't think it is happening in great numbers, but it is happening.

376 KingKenrod  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:58:07am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Now I know why Obama has shown a lack of emotion for the oil spill...according to CNN it's white people's fault...

Why Obama doesn't dare become the 'angry black man'

Incredible stupidity.

Well, there's always going to be some Americans upset with any black person in charge, angry or not. But I don't think Obama is restraining himself because he's afraid of losing the racist vote.

Obama had no problem getting angry at AIG execs, he even described himself as angry about their bonuses, and saying he did not want to quell anger in others.

I don't really want a president to get angry. Clinton would get visibly angry sometimes and it really looked bad on him.

377 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:58:13am

re: #372 lawhawk

Shakespeare in Love was a good flick, but not nearly as good as Saving Private Ryan. The real travesty was that Judi Dench won for less than 10 minutes of screen time in S in L over Kathy Bates for her role in Primary Colors.

Never saw Shakespeare in Love. And everyone says Shakespeare's so great, well home come nobody's ever heard of him? (Mr. Show quote)

As amazing as the D Day sequence was in Saving Private Ryan, I think most of the rest of the movie was overrated and poorly written.

378 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:58:16am

re: #370 reine.de.tout

I retract nothing.
I have explained myself.
I do hope that the only people who vote are citizens.
I think that's a quite sensible thing to hope for.

I have not seen anything credible that illegals are voting, or voting in numbers that disrupt our election process.

These views do not negate each other.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Read this:

Illegal Immigrants Are Voting in American Elections

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden­tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen­sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

Florida is not unique. Thousands of non-citizens are registered to vote in some states, and tens if not hundreds of thousands in total may be present on the voter rolls nationwide. These numbers are significant: Local elections are often decided by only a handful of votes, and even national elections have likely been within the margin of the number of non-citizens ille­gally registered to vote.

Yet there is no reliable method to determine the number of non-citizens registered or actually voting because most laws to ensure that only citizens vote are ignored, are inadequate, or are systematically undermined by government officials. Those who ignore the implications of non-citizen registration and voting either are willfully blind to the problem or may actually favor this form of illegal voting.

Americans may disagree on many areas of immi­gration policy, but not on the basic principle that only citizens—and not non-citizens, whether legally present or not—should be able to vote in elections. Unless and until immigrants become citizens, they must respect the laws that bar non-citizen voting. To keep non-citizens from diluting citizens' votes, immigration and election officials must cooperate far more effectively than they have to date, and state and federal officials must increase their efforts to enforce the laws against non-citizen voting that are already on the books.

[snip]

We don't know how many illegals are voting because we don't want to know. Nobody is checking.

379 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:58:36am

re: #369 researchok

Okay. Beyond a five-year probe by the Justice Department on the subject, what exactly do you want?

380 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:58:59am

re: #370 reine.de.tout

I retract nothing.
I have explained myself.

You've explained nothing.

I've never seen anything credible to indicate that thousands of illegals are voting resulting in a disruption of our the election process.

plus, hilariously, your earlier comment in this same thread::

I hope the only ones voting will be those who are citizens, not the ones here illegally.

Either it's a worry or it isn't. Either you think it's worth worrying about or you know it doesn't happen.

Busted.

381 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:59:13am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

We don't know how many illegals are voting because we don't want to know. Nobody is checking.

Five year probe. Justice Department. Linked above.

382 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 7:59:26am

Here's my offering for the morning break from seriousness. From yesterday's The Writer's Almanac.


Mexico
by Robert Hass

I have just crossed the Rio Grande,
And by a string of clever switchbacks
Have, for the moment, outwitted the posse.

Ahead lie the ghosts of Sierra Madre.
Behind, I have nothing but sun,
While the condor's shadow circles over my bones.

Though the mountains are steep, my horse doesn't falter,
And now I know why starving bandoleros
Will never shoot their animals for food.

Beyond my mirage, I see the white adobe—
Yes, the one with the red-tiled roof—
Which one afternoon I will lean against, with my hat down
And knees up, after a bottle of tequila.

In that siesta, I am sure to dream
Of the lovely senorita
Who has stolen away from her father
To meet me in the orchard.

But enough of that. There is work to be done.
I have cattle to rustle and horses to steal
Before the posse picks up my trail.

(In a poem of Mexico, it would be unwise
For a poet to mention the posse is his wife.)

So, mi amigo, if you find her
Prowling my mountains
With a wooden spoon in her hand,
Tell her I am not here.

Tell her I have run off
With Cormac McCarthy and Louis L'Amour,
That I ride like the wind
To join up with the great Pancho Villa.

383 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:00:00am

re: #380 iceweasel

I think she clarified herself fine.

This statement:

I've never seen anything credible to indicate that thousands of illegals are voting resulting in a disruption of our the election process.

Seems pretty clear, doesn't it?

384 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:00:40am
385 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:01:16am

Ouch.

Parties Clash as Albany Edges Closer to Shutdown

Without the ability to pay workers or even guarantee their salaries in the future, officials said, they could be forced to close down state agencies immediately after the last emergency bill expires on Monday. Administration officials said they were still searching for a legal mechanism to continue financing essential public safety services, like prisons and the State Police.

But courtrooms, parks, highway rest stops and even the state terrorism hot line could all close. A shutdown could also affect some county and local workers, like those who administer Medicaid benefits. Though such workers are employed by the counties, they must gain access to state computer systems to process claims.

386 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:01:22am

re: #382 Ericus58

I somehow knew, even from the first stanza, that that would reference Cormac McCarthy.

Nice piece. Thanks.

387 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:01:52am

re: #373 JasonA

For a second there I thought you were doing the backwards name thing for someone...

Ohhh, so that's what that Luap-whatever thing is that I occasionally see here.

388 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:02:10am

re: #387 CuriousLurker

Ohhh, so that's what that Luap-whatever thing is that I occasionally see here.

Luap Nor, yes.

389 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:02:58am

re: #386 Obdicut

I somehow knew, even from the first stanza, that that would reference Cormac McCarthy.

Nice piece. Thanks.

McCarthy needs a new keyboard with a quotation mark button.

/

390 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:03:02am

re: #383 Obdicut

I think she clarified herself fine.

This statement:

Seems pretty clear, doesn't it?

Seems pretty different from the earlier comments, doesn't it?

I love the 'clarification' too. Bookmarked!

391 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:03:18am

re: #380 iceweasel

*sigh*
Yes, indeed, of course I am busted yet again by your sheer genius.

/

392 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:04:05am

re: #377 Mad Al-Jaffee

I honestly didn't like Saving Private Ryan. I felt the characters were not anything like correct for the period; that they were '90s characters transported back to WWII.

393 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:04:19am

re: #306 iceweasel

Explain why you think this, and in light of the answer pending to B, why I should care.

Your original question may have been about the reliability of AT, it wasn't mine. I've said at least twice that I'm not denying/verifying their reliability or general level of craziness. My contention is that the article mentioned doesn't say what the person suggested it did. He answered my question, I disagreed, we moved-on™.

You can't seriously argue that MM and Move-On aren't soros backed, can you? If Koch gives money to group A and group A then gives money to Group B that's close enough to taint group B isn't it? That's what happened with both Move On and MM. He's entitled to give to whom he chooses and those groups are entitled to argue whatever positions they choose but I happen to prefer to take a groups ideology into consideration when reading/listening to their analysis.

Lastly, I'm not sure why you care nor do I care if you care./ You were the one who engaged me, not the other way around.

394 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:04:20am

re: #390 iceweasel

Seems pretty different from the earlier comments, doesn't it?

I love the 'clarification' too. Bookmarked!

why bookmark?

Are you building some sort of case?
And for what purpose?

395 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:04:48am

Looks like the protest against the Mosque plans showed a bit of its true colors... Ground Zero Tolerance

396 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:04:53am

re: #390 iceweasel

re: #391 reine.de.tout

Now, now ladies.
No fighting...
Unless in Jell-O...
...
*Runs away*

397 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:05:25am

re: #392 Obdicut

I honestly didn't like Saving Private Ryan. I felt the characters were not anything like correct for the period; that they were '90s characters transported back to WWII.

Well, it wasn't Band of Brothers...

398 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:05:54am

re: #326 iceweasel

Okay this is a sensitive topic for many. I happen to believe that some undocumented immigrants get registered at drives and vote.
Given the lax level of enforcement, a lack of anything like voter ID how can we be so sure those reports of illegals voting are all wrong? One asy to find example-

From CNN way back when...

Task force Chairman Vernon J. Ehlers, R-Mich., said investigators had found concrete evidence of 748 illegal votes by non-citizens, not enough to throw Sanchez's victory into doubt. He and other Republicans said the results nonetheless show that Dornan's challenge was not frivolous and that the GOP was not unfairly targeting Hispanic voters.

399 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:06:01am

re: #396 Varek Raith

re: #391 reine.de.tout

Now, now ladies.
No fighting...
Unless in Jell-O...
...
*Runs away*

Or mud.

*Ducks and runs*

400 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:06:42am

re: #391 reine.de.tout

*sigh*
Yes, indeed, of course I am busted yet again by your sheer genius.

/

Nah, you just contradict yourself.

Sigh.

401 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:06:47am

re: #390 iceweasel

No, not really. It seems like a slightly-awkwardly worded statement that she clarified with a very accurate and strong one.

If you read the Justice Department Probe, there's a very real other reason to hope that anyone ineligible doesn't vote; because most of the time they do it in innocence, due to a misunderstanding, but when caught, they are deported and their dreams of citizenship are dead forever.

402 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:07:21am

re: #338 reine.de.tout

What about a really close one in precincts that include large numbers of non citizens?

403 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:08:10am

re: #392 Obdicut

I honestly didn't like Saving Private Ryan. I felt the characters were not anything like correct for the period; that they were '90s characters transported back to WWII.

They seemed more to me like very cliched 40's/classic WWII movie characters.

404 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:08:21am

re: #395 oaktree

Looks like the protest against the Mosque plans showed a bit of its true colors... Ground Zero Tolerance

Yet another excuse to torment LGFers! Remember, Bagua, it all started with you. :D

405 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:08:24am

China's housing bubble risky: Economist

The high prices of China's urban properties must be controlled, if the country wants to avoid a 2008-09 America-style crisis, and continues to solidify its growth by expanding urbanization, said a leading economist.

Li Daokui, a professor at Tsinghua University and a member of the Chinese central bank's monetary policy committee, told the British Financial Times in an interview that recent Beijing measures to cool off the property frenzy needed to be part of a long-term push to bring housing prices under control.

Li said that the problems in China's housing market are more severe than those in the U.S. before the financial crisis because they combine a potential bubble with the risk of social discontent, the FT report said.

The economist said that there were still signs that China's economy, which accelerated from 10.7 percent in October-December to 11.9 percent in the first quarter this year, was overheating and recommended modest increases in interest rates and a gradual appreciation of the currency, the yuan.

"The housing market problem in China is actually much, much more fundamental, much bigger than the housing market problem in the US and UK before your financial crisis," he said in the FT interview. "It is more than [just] a bubble problem."

406 iossarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:08:33am

re: #402 Rightwingconspirator

What about a really close one in precincts that include large numbers of non citizens?

I'm confused. Are we talking about non-citizens or illegal immigrants? Plenty of non-citizens are here legally.

407 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:09:30am

re: #396 Varek Raith

re: #391 reine.de.tout

Now, now ladies.
No fighting...
Unless in Jell-O...
...
*Runs away*

I'm not fighting.
I'm not the one bookmarking anything, or going after anybody for what they've said, or trying to twist a statement that "I hope the ones voting are citizens not the ones here illegally" into something awful. I do hope that folks here illegally are not voting. Is that something awful to hope for?

I also have not seen anything credible to indicate that they are.

I'm too dense, I guess, to understand why, exactly, those two statements are an issue that need to be "bookmarked".

408 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:09:34am

re: #395 oaktree

Not your fault, but I getting sick to death of the phrase 'true colors'.

Best (saddest) quote from that article:


"It's not a question of building a mosque. It's where they're building it," said Glenn Corbett, a former Waldwick deputy fire chief.

Then it is a question of building a mosque.

And this is just shitty crap:

At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.

"Go home," several shouted from the crowd.

"Get out," others shouted.

In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called "The Way." Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

"I'm a Christian," Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.

409 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:10:30am

re: #402 Rightwingconspirator

What about a really close one in precincts that include large numbers of non citizens?

RWC- is it happening?
I've not seen anything to indicate that it's happening.

410 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:10:35am

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

If China goes down, we're all screwed.

411 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:10:50am

re: #403 Mad Al-Jaffee

They seemed more to me like very cliched 40's/classic WWII movie characters.

Meh. It's subjective. I can't even explain what it was about them. Maybe i could say they seemed like 90's actors very, very self-consciously playing 1950's characters. That sounds a little better.

412 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:11:04am

re: #407 reine.de.tout

I'm not fighting.
I'm not the one bookmarking anything, or going after anybody for what they've said, or trying to twist a statement that "I hope the ones voting are citizens not the ones here illegally" into something awful. I do hope that folks here illegally are not voting. Is that something awful to hope for?

I also have not seen anything credible to indicate that they are.

I'm too dense, I guess, to understand why, exactly, those two statements are an issue that need to be "bookmarked".

I wonder why you would worry about that. Why is that?

413 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:11:05am

re: #397 JasonA

Well, it wasn't Band of Brothers...

There's nothing like Band of Brothers. Best thing on tv, until The Wire came along.

And while we're on the subject:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

414 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:11:23am

re: #407 reine.de.tout

I'm not fighting.
I'm not the one bookmarking anything, or going after anybody for what they've said, or trying to twist a statement that "I hope the ones voting are citizens not the ones here illegally" into something awful. I do hope that folks here illegally are not voting. Is that something awful to hope for?

I also have not seen anything credible to indicate that they are.

I'm too dense, I guess, to understand why, exactly, those two statements are an issue that need to be "bookmarked".

I fail at humorous diffusion of situations...
Ah, well.
:)

415 iossarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:11:44am

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

China's housing bubble risky: Economist

Rapid construction is always an economic problem down the road. What do all the construction workers do once the houses are built?

416 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:11:54am

re: #412 iceweasel

I wonder why you would worry about that. Why is that?

I wonder why you would make a big deal out of it...

Oh well. Enjoy the day, lizards. Or at least, try to.

417 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:11:59am

re: #266 Ericus58

The killing of the Mexican by U.S. authorities — the second in less than two weeks — has exposed the distrust between the two countries that lies just below the surface, and has enraged Mexicans who see the death of the boy on Mexican soil as an act of murder.

Mexican authorities would know about acts of murder.

A relative of the dead boy who had been playing with him told the AP that the Mexicans — who he described as federal police, not soldiers — pointed their guns only when the Americans waded into the mud in an apparent attempt to cross into Mexico.

Looks like Mexicans treat the border as a real border only when folks are crossing into Mexico...too bad they don't point guns at people crossing the other way.

418 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:12:11am

re: #406 iossarian

I'm trying to avoid loaded terms like illegal alien. But non citizens, here legally or not must not vote.

I perceive a real lack of enforcement there and I have seen credible reports so I have a differing conclusion than Iceweasel about whether it happens at all. I do not subscribe to the hyperbole of vast numbers stealing elections.

419 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:12:48am

re: #412 iceweasel

I wonder why you would worry about that. Why is that?

Because upthread you said you were bookmarking those statements.
I'm not worried about it; it does seem odd.

420 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:13:05am

re: #418 Rightwingconspirator

Have you read the five-year probe by the Justice Department I linked above that found almost no evidence of any sort of illegal voting?

421 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:13:31am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

We don't know how many illegals are voting because we don't want to know. Nobody is checking.

Whew, that was a bit to read. Interesting article, thanks.

422 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:13:36am

re: #419 reine.de.tout

Because upthread you said you were bookmarking those statements.
I'm not worried about it; it does seem odd.

Almost stalker-ish...

423 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:13:36am

re: #409 reine.de.tout

We have this repeated for emphasis as a credible report, from when Sanchez beat Dornan.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

424 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:14:23am

re: #414 Varek Raith

D'oh.
Let me just start over.

Hi! I'm Varek!

425 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:14:29am

re: #411 Obdicut

Meh. It's subjective. I can't even explain what it was about them. Maybe i could say they seemed like 90's actors very, very self-consciously playing 1950's characters. That sounds a little better.

Yeah, I see what you mean. And with all of the realism and attention to detail, how could Matt Daaaaymon have such bright, white teeth? Wasn't he supposed to be behind enemy lines, in the wilderness?

426 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:15:10am

The Rabbi who recorded Helen Thomas is posting the hate mail he's been getting:

CONTENT WARNING: DIRTY WORDS!
[Link: rabbilive.com...]

427 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:15:34am

re: #424 Varek Raith

D'oh.
Let me just start over.

Hi! I'm Varek!

*Best AA voice* Hi Varek!

428 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:15:44am

re: #424 Varek Raith

Hi Varek. Please show your true colors.

Here are mine:

429 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:15:52am

re: #423 Rightwingconspirator

We have this repeated for emphasis as a credible report, from when Sanchez beat Dornan.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That was a 13-month process that resulted in insufficient proof.

430 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:16:13am

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Rep. Linda Sanchez ignites debate by linking Arizona law to white supremacists

We had threads about it here on LGF.

Yea, Fox ran with the story last week, mocking her, and waiting for a retraction. The fact that her statement was accurate matters not to Fox.

431 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:16:18am

re: #426 RogueOne

The Rabbi who recorded Helen Thomas is posting the hate mail he's been getting:

CONTENT WARNING: DIRTY WORDS!
[Link: rabbilive.com...]

I love that he didn't redact the email addresses...

432 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:16:36am

S.I. Residents Fear Mosque Brings Terror Ties


Overflow Crowd Sounds Off At Community Meeting That Got So Heated It Was Brought To An Abrupt Halt
433 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:16:55am

re: #419 reine.de.tout

Because upthread you said you were bookmarking those statements.
I'm not worried about it; it does seem odd.

You think so?
Maybe you should worry about your own statements and not those of others.

re: #422 ShaunP

Almost stalker-ish...

Thanks for that.

434 iossarian  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:17:25am

re: #418 Rightwingconspirator

I'm trying to avoid loaded terms like illegal alien. But non citizens, here legally or not must not vote.

I perceive a real lack of enforcement there and I have seen credible reports so I have a differing conclusion than Iceweasel about whether it happens at all. I do not subscribe to the hyperbole of vast numbers stealing elections.

No, I agree with you (about the right to vote). But the conversation was kicked off by the more specific fear that illegal immigrants were voting (I think), and people seem to be using reports of non-citizens voting (possibly due to confusion over eligibility) to imply that illegal immigrants are voting.

Just as an aside, I know that it is possible for non-citizens of some European countries to vote in local elections, which may be one explanation of the confusion (i.e., people assume that the system here is similar to "back home", when it isn't).

435 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:18:56am

re: #408 Obdicut

Heh. Crazy Pam was there.

436 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:18:59am

re: #420 Obdicut

Yes I have, and I found it very puzzling. Frankly the conclusions fly in the face of obvious holes and ways nearly anyone can vote if they so choose. I have not read it for some time, probably since it came out. I'll go back to it later today, work bekons here.

I do not dismiss the report from the Sanchez election either. Right now I think it does happen at a rate below other serious issues in the system. In precincts with big numbers of undocumented immigrants and valid, necessary registration drives coinciding... Are you convinced it is not happening at all?

437 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:19:38am

re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, that's part of it. They looked read to walk off the set and go next door to shoot a Levi's ad.

My favorite war movie is We Were Soldiers for the characters, and A Bridge Too Far for the overall scope.

438 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:20:43am

re: #430 avanti

Yea, Fox ran with the story last week, mocking her, and waiting for a retraction. The fact that her statement was accurate matters not to Fox.

If it was accurate, why did she her comments were 'misconstrued'?

439 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:21:44am

re: #438 NJDhockeyfan

If it was accurate, why did she say her comments were 'misconstrued'?

PIMF

440 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:22:43am

re: #436 Rightwingconspirator

I do not dismiss the report from the Sanchez election either.

As Reine said:

That was a 13-month process that resulted in insufficient proof.

If a five-year long probe by the Justice Department that concludes that there isn't a problem won't convince you, what would?

You seem to have decided that it's happening, it's a problem, so I'm not sure what there is to talk about.

Are you convinced it is not happening at all?

No. I am convinced that most of it, as the Justice Department probe found, are errors of understanding. I am very convinced that the number of illegal immigrants voting is tiny, since illegal immigrants go out of their way to keep their heads down.

441 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:22:46am

re: #429 reine.de.tout

Insufficient numbers to overturn the result. Sanchez won by a margin beyond the problem votes. But it seemed to prove hundreds of votes from undocumented immigrants. Thats my point-Its there but hyperbole and advocacy drive us away from a simple conclusion. Its there but no big deal in election results.

Post hanging chads-close elections matter. That's where we have trouble, the error factor is way too high in the system from all these issues combined.

Gotta Go

442 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:22:55am

re: #437 Obdicut


My favorite war movie is We Were Soldiers for the characters, and A Bridge Too Far for the overall scope.

Bah.

443 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:23:05am

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan

Pecan pie with chocolate chips.

Pecan pie already gives me a sugar rush. Adding chocolate is overkill.

444 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:23:37am

re: #442 JasonA

To me that's a POW movie, not a war movie. I have very fine-lined divisions in my head. It's all Dewey in there.

445 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:24:17am

Medea Benjamin's latest publicity stunt is Jews for Helen Thomas.

[Link: pulsemedia.org...]

446 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:24:41am

re: #433 iceweasel

I don't mind if you keep files on other lizards who say things you disapprove of. It's your perfect right to do so.
But what is the purpose of your announcing that you intend to do so?

447 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:25:04am

re: #438 NJDhockeyfan

If it was accurate, why did she her comments were 'misconstrued'?

Covered on LGF here...
Video: The White Supremacist Roots of Arizona's Immigration Law

Video: FAIR President Addresses Racism Accusations

The White Supremacist origin of the law is not under dispute. It's very true.

448 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:25:08am

re: #444 Obdicut

To me that's a POW movie, not a war movie. I have very fine-lined divisions in my head. It's all Dewey in there.

lol

Fair enough. And Great Escape was better than Kwai, anyway...

449 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:26:24am

re: #446 Spare O'Lake

I don't mind if you keep files on other lizards who say things you disapprove of. It's your perfect right to do so.
But what is the purpose of your announcing that you intend to do so?

Bullshit quotient... overflow.

450 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:27:12am

It's 50 degrees and raining again today. Supposedly the weather is supposed to finally break in a few days and we skip spring altogether and jump into summer with sunny 85 degrees.
The weather has really been bumming me out.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:27:26am

re: #443 Alouette

Pecan pie already gives me a sugar rush. Adding chocolate is overkill.

You want sugar overkill? Get this book.

452 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:28:20am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

You want sugar overkill? Get this book.

You could go into a diabetic coma just from looking at the pictures.

453 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:28:25am

In totally OT news:

Nine days until my wedding. I'm a weird person in that I never look forwards to anything, I don't really anticipate things. But the whole process is fun; everything is falling into place. Suits have been purchased, shoes (nice black wingtips) too. Guests are confirmed. Equipment rented. Vows are being written-- I really like the phrase "cleave to", so I'm putting that in.

It's going to be one hell of a party.

And I love her so much.

454 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:28:27am

re: #450 Killgore Trout

It's 50 degrees and raining again today. Supposedly the weather is supposed to finally break in a few days and we skip spring altogether and jump into summer with sunny 85 degrees.
The weather has really been bumming me out.

Heh, welcome to the Mid-Atlantic pattern. No, fall. No spring. Just winter and summer.
/

455 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:28:29am

re: #413 Mad Al-Jaffee

There's nothing like Band of Brothers. Best thing on tv, until The Wire came along.

And while we're on the subject:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

I give Band of Brothers bonus points for only being 10 episodes, though.

456 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:29:17am

re: #447 Killgore Trout

Covered on LGF here...
Video: The White Supremacist Roots of Arizona's Immigration Law

Video: FAIR President Addresses Racism Accusations

The White Supremacist origin of the law is not under dispute. It's very true.

White supremacists and racists did not trick the people of AZ into writing this law. This has been a continual problem for decades. I lived near Nogales in the early 90's and immigration was also a big issue then. Lastly, if we're only allowed to support measures that aren't also supported by people we don't approve of, we aren't going to get a whole lot accomplished.

457 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:29:47am

re: #376 KingKenrod

But I don't think Obama is restraining himself because he's afraid of losing the racist vote.

incredibly well said. and funny, too!

(good morning, friends)

458 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:30:03am

re: #453 Obdicut

I really like the phrase "cleave to", so I'm putting that in.

I really like the word "defenestrate."

Don't put that in there, though...

459 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:30:07am

re: #433 iceweasel

Thanks for that.

Are you going to try to intimidate people, Ice?

460 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:30:20am

re: #438 NJDhockeyfan

If it was accurate, why did she her comments were 'misconstrued'?

Also see here: Rep. Linda Sanchez ignites debate by linking Arizona law to white supremacists

Late Thursday, Sanchez issued a statement attempting to "clarify" her comments.

"I never said that everyone who supports the Arizona law is a racist or white supremacist," she said in the statement.

The wingnuts, of course, tried to twist her words and create an outrageous outrage because they can't dispute the factual accuracy of what she actually said.

462 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:31:09am

re: #452 Alouette

You could go into a diabetic coma just from looking at the pictures.

I ate at his restaurant and have an autographed copy of that book. The Death by Chocolate dessert on the cover is incredible. I got high from eating it.

463 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:31:17am

re: #453 Obdicut

In totally OT news:

Nine days until my wedding. I'm a weird person in that I never look forwards to anything, I don't really anticipate things. But the whole process is fun; everything is falling into place. Suits have been purchased, shoes (nice black wingtips) too. Guests are confirmed. Equipment rented. Vows are being written-- I really like the phrase "cleave to", so I'm putting that in.

It's going to be one hell of a party.

And I love her so much.

Mazel Tov!

464 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:31:55am

re: #453 Obdicut

In totally OT news:

Nine days until my wedding. I'm a weird person in that I never look forwards to anything, I don't really anticipate things. But the whole process is fun; everything is falling into place. Suits have been purchased, shoes (nice black wingtips) too. Guests are confirmed. Equipment rented. Vows are being written-- I really like the phrase "cleave to", so I'm putting that in.

It's going to be one hell of a party.

And I love her so much.

Hi Obdicut! Congratulations - in advance! You're a very lucky guy! Your lovely bride on the other hand.....

(Heh. Just kidding. I wish you both a long, happy, and satisfying life together - and I'm guessing that's exactly what it will be my friend.)

465 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:32:28am

re: #438 NJDhockeyfan

If it was accurate, why did she her comments were 'misconstrued'?

Because some on the right spun the comment that some that helped write the law were racists to everyone that supported the law were.
Just like some ex-military militia members are a domestic threat, spun to all military.

466 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:32:33am

re: #450 Killgore Trout

It's 50 degrees and raining again today. Supposedly the weather is supposed to finally break in a few days and we skip spring altogether and jump into summer with sunny 85 degrees.
The weather has really been bumming me out.

You're always welcome in Jacksonville!

467 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:32:39am

re: #458 JasonA

I really like the word "defenestrate."

Don't put that in there, though...

You know the great thing about defenestrate? It only counts if you're on the second story or above. So make sure to climb the steps to get it right.

I also really like the words squamous and calumny, but those are probably not making it into the vows.

468 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:32:47am

re: #461 Obdicut

Onion: Massive Flow Of Bullshit Continues To Gush From BP Headquarters

Money quote: "We must all work together if we're going to cure our nation of this addiction," Palmer said. "The sad fact is, the United States has been running on bullshit for decades.

469 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:32:58am

re: #456 RogueOne

White supremacists and racists did not trick the people of AZ into writing this law. This has been a continual problem for decades. I lived near Nogales in the early 90's and immigration was also a big issue then. Lastly, if we're only allowed to support measures that aren't also supported by people we don't approve of, we aren't going to get a whole lot accomplished.

From FAIR's website:
"...FAIR's legal affiliate, the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI) assisted Senator Pearce in drafting the language of SB1070..."

470 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:33:13am

re: #456 RogueOne

You should read up on it. The White Supremacists were responsible for putting the law together. It's not under dispute, it's a fact.
I realize illegal immigration is a problem but passing laws from White Supremacists is very a bad idea.

471 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:33:18am

re: #453 Obdicut

couldn't be happier for you, dude

472 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:33:38am

re: #453 Obdicut

In totally OT news:

Nine days until my wedding. I'm a weird person in that I never look forwards to anything, I don't really anticipate things. But the whole process is fun; everything is falling into place. Suits have been purchased, shoes (nice black wingtips) too. Guests are confirmed. Equipment rented. Vows are being written-- I really like the phrase "cleave to", so I'm putting that in.

It's going to be one hell of a party.

And I love her so much.

Congratulations, dude! I'm sure you don't deserve her and all that... :)

473 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:33:50am

re: #467 Obdicut

You know the great thing about defenestrate? It only counts if you're on the second story or above. So make sure to climb the steps to get it right.

I also really like the words squamous and calumny, but those are probably not making it into the vows.

Maybe you can get my favorite word into the vows... "inchoate."

474 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:34:18am

re: #466 Aceofwhat?

You're always welcome in Jacksonville!

I was never impressed with Jacksonville. Miami's nice.

475 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:34:49am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts, of course, tried to twist her words and create an outrageous outrage because they can't dispute the factual accuracy of what she actually said.

Her actual words:

“There’s a concerted effort behind promoting these kinds of laws on a state-by-state basis by people who have ties to white supremacy groups, It’s been documented. It’s not mainstream politics.”

Documented? Show me the evidence.

476 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:35:29am

re: #475 NJDhockeyfan

Her actual words:

“There’s a concerted effort behind promoting these kinds of laws on a state-by-state basis by people who have ties to white supremacy groups, It’s been documented. It’s not mainstream politics.”

Documented? Show me the evidence.

See my #469

477 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:36:48am

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

Maybe you can get my favorite word into the vows... "inchoate."

How about "pie"? Or honco.

478 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:37:22am

re: #477 Mad Al-Jaffee

How about "pie"? Or honco.

My friend Grafton used the word 'chillaxin' in his toast at my brother's wedding. I hope he uses something equally awesome at mine.

479 mj  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:37:39am

Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

480 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:38:05am

re: #479 mj

That rabbi had a lot of self-restraint and class in that encounter, too. Laughter is a good response.

481 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:39:23am

re: #479 mj

Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Bunch of Fox outrage bullshit... Fox is not a reliable source of news... we know that at LGF... they can't fool us.

482 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:39:23am

re: #474 Killgore Trout

I was never impressed with Jacksonville. Miami's nice.

well, i'm here now...so it's much better/

483 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:40:07am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Fox is not a reliable source of newsnewts... we know that at LGF... they can't fool us.

Fixed that for you.

484 mj  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:40:17am

re: #480 Obdicut

That rabbi had a lot of self-restraint and class in that encounter, too. Laughter is a good response.

Yes. He's posted some of the comments here:

[Link: rabbilive.com...]

485 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:40:40am

How many versions of Walter are there?
/

486 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:40:48am

re: #482 Aceofwhat?

well, i'm here now...so it's much better/

me > you

Miami wins! :p

487 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:41:48am

re: #453 Obdicut

Congratulations!

488 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:42:29am

re: #475 NJDhockeyfan

I've linked to it several times already and I'm not going to continue to give you the same evidence over and over while you refuse acknowledge or read the links.

489 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:42:37am

re: #484 mj

wow

490 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:42:54am

re: #266 Ericus58

<
I seem to remember reading right here at LGF articles posted in several cases where armed uniformed men have ventured across the border - at times with vehicles or helicopters - from Mexico.
.

That I do not recall. Anyone?

491 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:43:02am

re: #479 mj

Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

How many from Islamists, I wonder.

492 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:43:13am

re: #485 Varek Raith

How many versions of Walter are there?
/

27.5 to date, from my observations

493 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:43:58am

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I've linked to it several times already and I'm not going to continue to give you the same evidence over and over while you refuse acknowledge or read the links.

So you admit you have no birth certificate?

494 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:44:05am

re: #475 NJDhockeyfan

Her actual words:

“There’s a concerted effort behind promoting these kinds of laws on a state-by-state basis by people who have ties to white supremacy groups, It’s been documented. It’s not mainstream politics.”

Documented? Show me the evidence.

Fox made light of the fact that she found the documentation from Internet blog links to the history, and we all know bloggers never get it right. /

495 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:44:19am

re: #486 ShaunP

me > you

Miami wins! :p

sonofa...

(i forgot you were in Florida...we're well represented here at LGF)

496 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:44:54am

re: #485 Varek Raith

How many versions of Walter are there?
/

I made my point... Fox is slammed all the time... now a link is put up to a Fox article, and, because the article is supportive of a lot of views and opinions here, and there is a lot of sympathy to this issue, the Fox article is not even questioned... I was questioning it... ok?

497 Slap  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:45:21am

re: #372 lawhawk

THAT was one of the all-time Oscar hose-jobs. She was brilliant, heartbreaking, hilarious. I became a fan permanently after seeing it.

498 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:45:22am

re: #475 NJDhockeyfan

Her actual words:

“There’s a concerted effort behind promoting these kinds of laws on a state-by-state basis by people who have ties to white supremacy groups, It’s been documented. It’s not mainstream politics.”

Documented? Show me the evidence.

He did, NJD. We went over this pretty thoroughly the other week.

499 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:45:57am
re: #479 mj

Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Best Quotable Quote in the linked article:

"This is something that I thought was a couple of people here or there, [but] it's mainstream and it's frightening," the Long Island rabbi said. "[Thomas] is just a little cherry on top of this huge, huge sundae of hate in America."

...with whipped cream and peanuts, and chocolate sauce, too.

500 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:46:07am

re: #496 Walter L. Newton

I made my point... Fox is slammed all the time... now a link is put up to a Fox article, and, because the article is supportive of a lot of views and opinions here, and there is a lot of sympathy to this issue, the Fox article is not even questioned... I was questioning it... ok?

You're just fun to tease, is all...
:)

501 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:46:07am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Bunch of Fox outrage bullshit... Fox is not a reliable source of news... we know that at LGF... they can't fool us.

LOL...if it's on Fox News, it didn't really happen.

502 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:46:32am

re: #496 Walter L. Newton

I made my point... Fox is slammed all the time...

I support Fox every time I post about Red Eye (only Fox show and only talk show I watch.)

503 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:47:34am

re: #501 NJDhockeyfan

LOL...if it's on Fox News, it didn't really happen.

That's exactly what I am suggesting... I don't believe this article at all. It's a bunch of Murdock soft-inquirer-styled news.

504 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:49:08am

Former CAIR Lobbyist Hired to Report on Muslim Issues for NY Times


A journalist hired by The New York Times to report on a controversial mosque at 9/11's Ground Zero and the failed Christmas Day bomb plot previously held a government lobbying position at the Council on American Islamic Relations.

The Associated Press and ABC News also enlisted former CAIR workers to cover stories involving the Muslim community, raising concerns over whether it's ethical for objective media outlets to hire ex-advocacy group employees to report on the issues they previously championed.

505 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:49:09am

Now for some REAL news:
*Colorado will announce today that they are joining the Pac10
*USC will announce today that their NCAA sanctions include a two year bowl ban, among other items
*Nebraska will announce tomorrow that they are joining the Big10

This is the end of the road for the Big12...

506 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:49:41am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

That's exactly what I am suggesting... I don't believe this article at all. It's a bunch of Murdock soft-inquirer-styled news.

Right, the Rabbi is lying.
/

507 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:50:13am

re: #506 NJDhockeyfan

Right, the Rabbi is lying.
/

If it's on Fox... it's possible...

508 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:51:33am
509 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:51:45am

re: #505 Aceofwhat?

Now for some REAL news:
*Colorado will announce today that they are joining the Pac10
*USC will announce today that their NCAA sanctions include a two year bowl ban, among other items
*Nebraska will announce tomorrow that they are joining the Big10

This is the end of the road for the Big12...

More hockey stories? I thought the season ended last night.

/

510 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:51:46am

re: #507 Walter L. Newton

If it's on Fox... it's possible...

Alrighty then...

511 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:52:05am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Bunch of Fox outrage bullshit... Fox is not a reliable source of news... we know that at LGF... they can't fool us.

Just because they have a conservative bias, does not mean they can't get a story right. Just as MSNBC can with a liberal bias.
We've had this discussion before, fact check, but don't ignore the facts from sources that are to the left or right of you out of hand.

512 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:52:24am

re: #511 avanti

Just because they have a conservative bias, does not mean they can't get a story right. Just as MSNBC can with a liberal bias.
We've had this discussion before, fact check, but don't ignore the facts from sources that are to the left or right of you out of hand.

I don't believe it.

513 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:52:45am

re: #508 prairiefire

Repeat

514 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:52:58am

re: #511 avanti

Just because they have a conservative bias, does not mean they can't get a story right. Just as MSNBC can with a liberal bias.
We've had this discussion before, fact check, but don't ignore the facts from sources that are to the left or right of you out of hand.

You're falling for it.

515 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:53:03am

YAHBTBW.

516 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:53:31am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

That's exactly what I am suggesting... I don't believe this article at all. It's a bunch of Murdock soft-inquirer-styled news.

Have the facts of Fox News straight reporting regularly called into question? This is very different from questioning news selection/online polls/opinion pieces.

517 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:53:34am

re: #508 prairiefire

Peter Bienart's take on the GOP primaries

it's sad because it's true...

518 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:53:39am

re: #496 Walter L. Newton

From what I've seen, Fox is the only one of the MFM that has covered the Reuter's debacle and given credit to Charles.

519 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:54:35am

re: #509 Mad Al-Jaffee

More hockey stories? I thought the season ended last night.

/

Fox News reported Chicago Blackhawks won the Stanly Cup last night but it's probably not true. Murdoch is a fucking liar.
/

520 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:54:41am

re: #514 JasonA

You're falling for it.

I know, right? I can't believe they keep falling for the same Jedi mind trick/

521 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:06am

re: #517 Aceofwhat?

I changed my tool bar on the computer and can no longer drag and drop into posts. Annoying! I need to remember to delete the doubled up http

522 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:06am

re: #514 JasonA

You're falling for it.

Heh.

523 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:07am

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

I don't believe it.

Fine, than give us the links to expose its inaccuracy on the off chance you are not just shit stirring.

524 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:43am

re: #523 avanti

Fine, than give us the links to expose its inaccuracy on the off chance you are not just shit stirring.

It's Fox... that's all anyone needs.

525 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:52am

re: #518 MandyManners

From what I've seen, Fox is the only one of the MFM that has covered the Reuter's debacle and given credit to Charles.

Well now we know it didn't really happen.

///

526 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:55:59am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

Former CAIR Lobbyist Hired to Report on Muslim Issues for NY Times

All eight of the sources cited in the piece said they approved of the project or lauded its advocate Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

527 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:56:08am

re: #523 avanti

Fine, than give us the links to expose its inaccuracy on the off chance you are not just shit stirring.

These are not the droids you're looking for...

528 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:56:25am

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

Heh.

Hehehe, you're good at this.
:)

529 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:18am

re: #505 Aceofwhat?

Now for some REAL news:
*Colorado will announce today that they are joining the Pac10
*USC will announce today that their NCAA sanctions include a two year bowl ban, among other items
*Nebraska will announce tomorrow that they are joining the Big10

This is the end of the road for the Big12...

If Fox reported this... don't worry, never happen.

530 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:18am

re: #518 MandyManners

From what I've seen, Fox is the only one of the MFM that has covered the Reuter's debacle and given credit to Charles.

Yep, and I'll give them credit for that. Most liberal sources tend to be a bit too touchy, feely to the Gaza situation.

531 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:58:38am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

Former CAIR Lobbyist Hired to Report on Muslim Issues for NY Times

Was Hoopie-the-shit-slinging-monkey busy?

532 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:59:24am

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

;D

533 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:59:25am

re: #530 avanti

Yep, and I'll give them credit for that. Most liberal sources tend to be a bit too touchy, feely ANTI-ISRAEL to the Gaza situation.

534 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 8:59:31am

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

Heh.

Does it make you feel empty inside when they end up not getting it all or is that like a feather in your cap?

535 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:00:32am

If Jimmy cracked corn and no one cared..why is there a whole song about it?

536 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:00:48am

re: #534 JasonA

Does it make you feel empty inside when they end up not getting it all or is that like a feather in your cap?

It's nectar for the bee...liver for the lion...it's his delicacy

537 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:01:18am

re: #526 MandyManners

All eight of the sources cited in the piece said they approved of the project or lauded its advocate Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

AAAHHHHHUUG! PRO-JIHADIST, ALL OF THEM!

Take it away, Private Hudson:

539 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:02:54am

re: #534 JasonA

Does it make you feel empty inside when they end up not getting it all or is that like a feather in your cap?

I'm not sure what you are talking about?

540 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:03:53am
541 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:04:02am

re: #537 Nimed

Is that your way of covering your ears and yelling "I can't hear you!"?

542 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:04:51am

re: #535 cliffster

If Jimmy cracked corn and no one cared..why is there a whole song about it?

Is "cracking corn" code for something?

544 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:05:04am

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure what you are talking about?

Hahaha...Walter...hahahaha...you're great...hahahaha

545 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:06:33am

re: #538 Alouette

WTF: Abbas Tells U.S. Jews: "I Would Never Deny Jewish Right to Land of Israel"

Why didn't someone ask him when the PA charter will be changed?

546 Nimed  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:08:08am

re: #541 Spare O'Lake

Is that your way of covering your ears and yelling "I can't hear you!"?

If it was, it would still be worth it. Private Hudson knows best.

547 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:08:14am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

Islamic Cleric Raised Red Flags While in San Diego

I read yesterday that Yemen has said it will not turn him over to America if they capture him.

548 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:08:52am

re: #538 Alouette

WTF: Abbas Tells U.S. Jews: "I Would Never Deny Jewish Right to Land of Israel"

He doesn't specify where "Land of Israel" is. Maybe he thinks it's in Antarctica.

549 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:09:47am

re: #544 Spare O'Lake

Hahaha...Walter...hahahaha...you're great...hahahaha

You're hurting his feelings!11!

550 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:13:50am

re: #548 Alouette

He doesn't specify where "Land of Israel" is. Maybe he thinks it's in Antarctica.

Or Alpha Centauri...it's like listening to a hyena say they've totally gone vegan...

551 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:14:46am

re: #550 Aceofwhat?

Or Alpha Centauri...it's like listening to a hyena say they've totally gone vegan...

Whoa, you all stay the hell away from Alpha Centauri!
It's MINE!

552 blueraven  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:14:58am

re: #524 Walter L. Newton

It's Fox... that's all anyone needs.

This schtick is old and tiresome Walter.

553 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:15:37am

re: #552 blueraven

This schtick is old and tiresome Walter.

speak for yourself. i think it's funny.

554 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:15:42am

re: #535 cliffster

If Jimmy cracked corn and no one cared..why is there a whole song about it?

And who was in the kitchen with Dinah?

555 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:15:59am

re: #551 Varek Raith

Whoa, you all stay the hell away from Alpha Centauri!
It's MINE!

you promised i could be gunnery sarge...i'm holding you to it...

556 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:16:22am

re: #470 Killgore Trout

You should read up on it. The White Supremacists were responsible for putting the law together. It's not under dispute, it's a fact.
I realize illegal immigration is a problem but passing laws from White Supremacists is very a bad idea.

I guess I probably have to preface my stance by reminding people I've said before that I'm not an "open-borders" type but I am for a more open immigration policy in this country and I'm also against this particular law, but...

It's also hugely popular within the state. Basing our beliefs/political stances on who else supports a measure is a mistake. It doesn't matter to me if people I don't like agree with my political views. The ACLU defended Nazi's in IL, that doesn't make them supporters of fascism does it?

I'm working so I'm way behind on this thread. If I don't respond to anyone for awhile don't take it personally.

557 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:16:39am

re: #552 blueraven

This schtick is old and tiresome Walter.

I think it's funny. And you misspelled "stick"

558 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:18:07am

re: #548 Alouette

He doesn't specify where "Land of Israel" is. Maybe he thinks it's in Antarctica.

Or Alaska. Maybe he thinks The Yiddush Policeman's Union was non-fiction.

559 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:18:25am

re: #554 Mad Al-Jaffee

And who was in the kitchen with Dinah?

And how desperate is she that he can captivate her with lyrics as intense as "fee-fie-fiddly-i-o"??

560 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:20:13am

"IF" Rassmusen's poll is accurate, the story on Angle is not well known yet:


"Sharron Angle, following her come-from-behind Republican Primary win Tuesday, has bounced to an 11-point lead over Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in Nevada’s closely-watched U.S. Senate race."

561 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:21:40am

re: #560 avanti

"IF" Rassmusen's poll is accurate, the story on Angle is not well known yet:

"Sharron Angle, following her come-from-behind Republican Primary win Tuesday, has bounced to an 11-point lead over Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in Nevada’s closely-watched U.S. Senate race."

Or the story on Harry Reid is too well known.

562 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:21:47am

re: #560 avanti

"IF" Rassmusen's poll is accurate, the story on Angle is not well known yet:

"Sharron Angle, following her come-from-behind Republican Primary win Tuesday, has bounced to an 11-point lead over Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in Nevada’s closely-watched U.S. Senate race."

Anti-Alcohol in Nevada! That should giver her another 10 points./

563 blueraven  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:22:19am

re: #557 cliffster

I think it's funny. And you misspelled "stick"

OK maybe I should rephrase. This gimmick is old and tiresome to me and probably a few others as well.
Once something is used over and over, it loses it's effectiveness.

564 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:22:43am

re: #556 RogueOne

It's also hugely popular within the state. Basing our beliefs/political stances on who else supports a measure is a mistake. It doesn't matter to me if people I don't like agree with my political views.

The second and third sentences there make the first one meaningless, do they not? And I'd like to modify that first one:

It's also hugely popular with white people in the state.

70% of Hispanics don't like it.

565 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:22:44am

re: #557 cliffster

I think it's funny. And you misspelled "stick"

"Schtick" is a word. It's a variant of "shtick".

566 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:23:08am

re: #562 prairiefire

Anti-Alcohol in Nevada! That should giver her another 10 points./

Seriously...who are these "republicans"? I don't recognize them...

567 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:23:34am

re: #561 NJDhockeyfan

Or the story on Harry Reid is too well known.

I guess that's a reason to replace him with someone to the right of, and crazier than Rand Paul ?

568 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:23:36am

Here we go again with right wing bloggers "breaking" a story that appeared first at LGF.

[Link: elderofziyon.blogspot.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This is getting really infuriating. And he has the nerve to post it in LGF Pages too.

569 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:23:42am

re: #562 prairiefire

Anti-Alcohol in Nevada! That should giver her another 10 points./

FLUORIDE IN THE WATERS!!!1!!

570 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:24:24am

re: #563 blueraven

OK maybe I should rephrase. This gimmick is old and tiresome to me and probably a few others as well.
Once something is used over and over, it loses it's effectiveness.

then we shall endeavor to be more amusing to you at every possible turn, my liege.

or you could scroll.

i'm good either way...

571 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:25:22am
572 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:25:25am

re: #568 Charles

Here we go again with right wing bloggers "breaking" a story that appeared first at LGF.

[Link: elderofziyon.blogspot.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This is getting really infuriating.

Mornin' Charles...this is the internet. Of course people are going to copy/paste from other blogs. It's the nature of the beast. Be flattered by the imitation.

573 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:25:34am

re: #568 Charles

Here we go again with right wing bloggers "breaking" a story that appeared first at LGF.

[Link: elderofziyon.blogspot.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This is getting really infuriating. And he has the nerve to post it in LGF Pages too.

WHAT?!!

574 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:25:40am

re: #559 Aceofwhat?

And how desperate is she that he can captivate her with lyrics as intense as "fee-fie-fiddly-i-o"??

Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?

575 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:25:45am

re: #565 MandyManners

"Schtick" is a word. It's a variant of "shtick".

I'll tell you where you can stick that shtick.

576 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:26:03am

re: #572 darthstar

Mornin' Charles...this is the internet. Of course people are going to copy/paste from other blogs. It's the nature of the beast. Be flattered by the imitation.

There's nothing flattering about this.

577 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:26:06am

re: #575 cliffster

I'll tell you where you can stick that shtick.

In bed?

578 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:26:33am

I heard the two most romantic words on the planet this morning.

579 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:26:34am

re: #568 Charles

sorry, dude. sucks

580 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:27:08am

Dryer buzzing.

581 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:27:29am

re: #580 MandyManners

Dryer buzzing.

re: #577 MandyManners

In bed?

582 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:27:29am

re: #580 MandyManners

Dryer buzzing.

Close, but not quite.

583 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:27:30am

re: #572 darthstar

Mornin' Charles...this is the internet. Of course people are going to copy/paste from other blogs. It's the nature of the beast. Be flattered by the imitation.

There's imitation, and there's outright theft. The first can be flattering, the second is insulting and dishonest.

584 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:28:16am

re: #568 Charles

Here we go again with right wing bloggers "breaking" a story that appeared first at LGF.

[Link: elderofziyon.blogspot.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This is getting really infuriating. And he has the nerve to post it in LGF Pages too.

After I talked to him about the last one it seemed he made an honest mistake. Now it just looks like he's running a mirror site for people who don't want to link to LGF.

585 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:28:33am

re: #583 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There's imitation, and there's outright theft. The first can be flattering, the second is insulting and dishonest.

EofZed is probably just learning. What's his readership like...seven?

586 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:29:04am

re: #584 Killgore Trout

After I talked to him about the last one it seemed he made an honest mistake. Now it just looks like he's running a mirror site for people who don't want to link to LGF.

Now that would be a suckful thing to do.

587 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:29:28am

re: #584 Killgore Trout

After I talked to him about the last one it seemed he made an honest mistake. Now it just looks like he's running a mirror site for people who don't want to link to LGF.

i just posted a short comment on his site...we'll see...

588 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:30:01am

re: #578 darthstar

I heard the two most romantic words on the planet this morning.

bend over?

589 avanti  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:30:09am

re: #576 Charles

There's nothing flattering about this.

I'll accept blogging about a story found on the net, but cutting and pasting it word for word without attribution is plagiarism pure and simple.

590 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:30:19am

re: #588 Aceofwhat?

bend over?

No, silly..."Hop on."

591 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:30:56am

re: #590 darthstar

No, silly..."Hop on."

you're right...that is lovely...

592 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:31:23am

re: #564 wrenchwench


The second and third sentences there make the first one meaningless, do they not? And I'd like to modify that first one....

It might but to be honest you lost me on the point you were making.

593 The Left  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:31:30am

re: #584 Killgore Trout

After I talked to him about the last one it seemed he made an honest mistake. Now it just looks like he's running a mirror site for people who don't want to link to LGF.

You talked to him and he acted like it was a mistake. I bought it.

Now? Bullshit.

594 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:32:01am

re: #558 Mad Al-Jaffee

Or Alaska. Maybe he thinks The Yiddush Policeman's Union was non-fiction.

He thinks the Holocaust was fiction.

595 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:32:03am

Heh...Carly's open mic night was pretty good. First she made some backhanded comment about Meg Whitman going onto Hannity and rolled her eyes at that, and then she made some catty remarks about Boxer's hair style. This is going to be a fun election season.

596 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:32:37am

re: #591 Aceofwhat?

you're right...that is lovely...

Your comment made me spit coffee, however.

597 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:33:25am

re: #578 darthstar

I heard the two most romantic words on the planet this morning.

Helen Thomas?

598 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:33:27am

re: #587 Aceofwhat?

i just posted a short comment on his site...we'll see...

As did I, with a link to the LGF post.

599 blueraven  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:34:39am

re: #570 Aceofwhat?

then we shall endeavor to be more amusing to you at every possible turn, my liege.

or you could scroll.

i'm good either way...

Or you could just grant me the right to my opinion. Either way...

600 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:35:23am

Bullets Shatter Glass at BP Gas Station

Windows at the BP Gas Station on Highway 51 at Custer Drive were shot out overnight. Folks who work at the store believe the suspects were expressing anger over BP and how it's handling the oil spill.

"I believe that would be the reason," said Alex Saleh. "We don't have any enemies." He said nothing was taken from the store after the windows were destroyed.

Incidents of anger spilling over at locally owned BP gas stations have been reported in several areas. In New York City several BP signs have been vandalized. Owners there believe vandals are filling balloons with dirt then throwing them at the signs.

Stanley Morton posted several clips on YouTube, where he's seen driving to a BP station, then dumping yard waste on the property. He jokingly throws a hat over the waste as a solution to cleaning up the mess.

According to CBS News, BP gas is sold at nearly 12,000 stations in the United States. BP actually owns just a small number of those stations. Most are owned by small business owners.

601 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:36:12am

re: #556 RogueOne


It's also hugely popular within the state. Basing our beliefs/political stances on who else supports a measure is a mistake. It doesn't matter to me if people I don't like agree with my political views. The ACLU defended Nazi's in IL, that doesn't make them supporters of fascism does it?

There's no need to pass legislation written by White Supremacists. It's not about a shared opinion, they wrote the law. It may be popular but it's still a very bad law.

602 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:37:38am

re: #601 Killgore Trout

There's no need to pass legislation written by White Supremacists. It's not about a shared opinion, they wrote the law. It may be popular but it's still a very bad law.

Right wingers just don't care that the law was written by white supremacists. That fact has been out for quite a while, and the amount of outrage it provoked from the right was ... zero.

603 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:37:44am

re: #599 blueraven

Or you could just grant me the right to my opinion. Either way...

sorry for making you feel repressed. the violence is inherent in the system, i'm afraid...

604 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:38:06am

re: #600 NJDhockeyfan

Bullets Shatter Glass at BP Gas Station

Assholes need to be taught how to GAZE.

605 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:39:44am

I missed this yesterday:

Russian Stalin-era mass grave yields 495 skeletons

[Link: www.globalnational.com...]


VLADIVOSTOK, Russia — Russia has uncovered at least 495 skeletons, many with head gunshot wounds, in a mass grave probably dating back to purges under Soviet dictator Josef Stalin in the 1930s, municipal authorities said on Wednesday.

At least 3.5 tonnes of bones were extracted from the site on the outskirts of the Pacific Ocean port of Vladivostok after it was discovered by workmen building a road, the city government said in a statement.

606 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:39:49am

re: #603 Aceofwhat?

sorry for making you feel repressed. the violence is inherent in the system, i'm afraid...

*Lobs Molotov @ Ace*

607 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:41:32am

re: #593 iceweasel

You talked to him and he acted like it was a mistake. I bought it.

Now? Bullshit.

It might well have been a mistake. Then he realized that he could get some mileage by airbrushing Charles out of the credit picture. This is typical for people when they are trying to appeal to a crowd that does not like the person who actually did the work. Its very tempting to claim the credit for yourself and try to cut the disliked person out.

608 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:41:50am

re: #576 Charles

There's nothing flattering about this.

Check the past few days comments for the username same as that blogs name. He was posting here and talked about it in a few of the threads.

609 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:41:56am

re: #606 Varek Raith

*Lobs Molotov @ Ace*

it's all fun and games until someone opens the cargo bay door to put out the fire/

610 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:42:53am

re: #609 Aceofwhat?

it's all fun and games until someone opens the cargo bay door to put out the fire/

It does deprive the fire of oxygen...

611 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:43:32am

ElderOfZion says:


(pointed out via email tip)

I predict his defense will be that he didn't bother to check LGF, and so can claim he just got it through an email tip.

What a tosser.

612 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:43:50am

re: #606 Varek Raith

*Lobs Molotov @ Ace*

I thought you threw thermal detonators.

613 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:43:53am

re: #610 Varek Raith

It does deprive the fire of oxygen...

Where's the fun in that?

"I put the fires out."
"YOU MADE THEM WORSE."
"Worse...or better?"

614 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:44:08am

re: #610 Varek Raith

It does deprive the fire of oxygen...

but i'm a less effective gunnery sergeant after explosive decompression...

615 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:44:48am

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

I thought you threw thermal detonators.

Not on a Dreadnought...it's bad for the hull/

616 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:44:53am

re: #604 MandyManners

hey Mandy - sweet revenge for Lane Kiffin?

617 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:45:04am

re: #614 Aceofwhat?

but i'm a less effective gunnery sergeant after explosive decompression...

Seat belts.
And pressure suits.
It's all good.

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

I thought you threw thermal detonators.

I throw the nearest firey causing thingy.

618 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:45:39am

re: #614 Aceofwhat?

but i'm a less effective gunnery sergeant after explosive decompression...

Its always about you, isn't it?

619 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:46:09am

re: #616 cliffster

hey Mandy - sweet revenge for Lane Kiffin?

i love to hate USC...

620 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:47:00am

re: #619 Aceofwhat?

i love to hate USC...

me too. I should have said.. Sweet revenge against Lane Kiffin?

621 albusteve  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:48:43am


Obama administration's efforts to pull the US out of recession haven't succeeded, according to Taleb. "It's not that they make mistakes, it's that they almost get nothing right." Moreover, a second major stimulus package may be futile, he warned.

debt will sink us...debt piled up by the current administration....so says Taleb

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

622 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:48:46am

re: #618 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its always about you, isn't it?

To be fair, i was on the receiving end of a well-made Molotov...

but yes. It's pretty much me...i'm still trying to figure out whether the world is actually revolving around me, or whether i just have a really really good imagination/

623 webevintage  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:48:50am

re: #595 darthstar

Heh...Carly's open mic night was pretty good. First she made some backhanded comment about Meg Whitman going onto Hannity and rolled her eyes at that, and then she made some catty remarks about Boxer's hair style. This is going to be a fun election season.

I love open mics.

624 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:49:45am

re: #616 cliffster

hey Mandy - sweet revenge for Lane Kiffin?

What's UT have to do with it?

625 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:50:14am

re: #394 reine.de.tout

why bookmark?

Are you building some sort of case?
And for what purpose?

Reine, It might be something like this....

Charlie: What are you writing?... What the fuck is this? "Serious Injury List"? *Serious* injury list? Are you fucking kidding me?
Raymond: Number eighteen in 1988, Charlie Babbitt squeezed and pulled and hurt my neck in 1988.
Charlie: Squeezed and pulled and hurt your neck in 1988?

626 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:50:30am

For zombie fans: First Look at AMC's The Walking Dead Zombies as Production Begins

[Link: blogs.amctv.com...]

627 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:50:39am

re: #620 cliffster

me too. I should have said.. Sweet revenge against Lane Kiffin?

eh, not really. i don't like Tennessee either...i'm a big10 fan. call it Schadenfreude for the past 10 years' dominance of the big10 by USC.

Party's over now, trojans!

628 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:51:09am

Hey...

Anyone see this?

Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

629 webevintage  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:52:04am

re: #626 Mad Al-Jaffee

For zombie fans: First Look at AMC's The Walking Dead Zombies as Production Begins

[Link: blogs.amctv.com...]

clapping hands
goody goody goody

630 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:52:30am

re: #621 albusteve


Obama administration's efforts to pull the US out of recession haven't succeeded, according to Taleb. "It's not that they make mistakes, it's that they almost get nothing right." Moreover, a second major stimulus package may be futile, he warned.

debt will sink us...debt piled up by the current administration...so says Taleb

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

i'd be beating that drum harder if previous Republican administrations hadn't also spent with little regard for the national debt...both sides have failed to balance the budget, much less pay down the bills...

631 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:54:09am

Interesting argument. I'm rooting for the parents in this case, this law should be shot down.

Should Sick Baby Have Been 'Seized' for Spinal Tap?
[Link: www.onpointnews.com...]


After nearly six years of litigation, an Idaho jury will now hear a high-stakes case that pits child protection laws against the right of a couple to decide whether their infant daughter should have a spinal tap test for meningitis.

The long-awaited trial will focus on a critical five-hour period which began when Corissa Mueller brought her daughter Taige to the emergency room of a Boise hospital with flu-like symptoms and ended when Dr. Richard MacDonald — over her vehement objections — performed the “lumbar puncture” procedure.

After consulting with MacDonald, Boise Police Detective Dale Rogers had authorized the procedure under a child protection law that allows police to “seize” a minor without a court order when “necessary to prevent serious physical or mental injury to the child.”

Mueller and her husband Eric sued MacDonald, the city of Boise, and state social workers in August 2004. “The Mueller case could spell out the federal constitutional limits on the authority of state officials to interfere with family decisions about medical, educational or other difficult issues,” says the Center for Individual Rights in Washington, D.C., which is representing the couple.

632 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:54:14am

re: #628 Walter L. Newton

Hey...

Anyone see this?

Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

It's been posted a couple of times today.

633 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:54:27am

re: #626 Mad Al-Jaffee

For zombie fans: First Look at AMC's The Walking Dead Zombies as Production Begins

[Link: blogs.amctv.com...]

*Shambles past, pale, eyes glassy* Graaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnssss.....

634 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:54:57am

At Elder of Ziyon:
ReineDeTout
This was posted at LGF on Monday, June 7th:

Today, 11:32:57 AM CDT – Like – Reply – Delete

Elder
Thanks, corrected.
Today, 11:51:01 AM CDT – Flag – Like – Reply


And, there's a small update at the bottom of the post.

635 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:56:16am

re: #633 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Shambles past, pale, eyes glassy* Graaaiiinnnsss...

A vegan zombie, that would make for a horrible movie.

636 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:56:30am

re: #634 reine.de.tout

At Elder of Ziyon:
ReineDeTout
This was posted at LGF on Monday, June 7th:

Today, 11:32:57 AM CDT – Like – Reply – Delete

Elder
Thanks, corrected.
Today, 11:51:01 AM CDT – Flag – Like – Reply

And, there's a small update at the bottom of the post.

Honestly; it seems that it would behoove him to check LGF with this stuff, and give credit right up front. He knows LGF is at the forefront on these things.

637 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:56:38am

re: #631 RogueOne

Interesting argument. I'm rooting for the parents in this case, this law should be shot down.

Should Sick Baby Have Been 'Seized' for Spinal Tap?
[Link: www.onpointnews.com...]

I have this image of the band Spinal Tap seizing someone's sick baby to use as a prop for their concerts.

638 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:56:39am

re: #628 Walter L. Newton

Hey...

Anyone see this?

Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]


FOX? Don't believe it.

639 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:58:51am

ok, This new google background thing is bugging the crap out of me. Anyone figure out how to turn it off yet?

640 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:59:05am

re: #637 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have this image of the band Spinal Tap seizing someone's sick baby to use as a prop for their concerts.

Allowing social workers and the police to decide what medical procedures parents have to be forced to allow is an obvious violation of their rights. I'm surprised it has taken this long for the suit to finally get started.

641 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:59:13am

re: #624 MandyManners

What's UT have to do with it?

University of Texas? Nothing. But Tennessee got fairly well shafted by Kiffin, who has now inherited a USC program that will be buried for at least a decade...

642 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 9:59:56am

re: #639 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ok, This new google background thing is bugging the crap out of me. Anyone figure out how to turn it off yet?

What is that thing?

643 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:00:26am

re: #641 cliffster

University of Texas? Nothing. But Tennessee got fairly well shafted by Kiffin, who has now inherited a USC program that will be buried for at least a decade...

TEXAS? No, UT means Tennessee.

644 albusteve  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:00:47am

re: #630 Aceofwhat?

i'd be beating that drum harder if previous Republican administrations hadn't also spent with little regard for the national debt...both sides have failed to balance the budget, much less pay down the bills...

which says nothing about tripling an already heavy debt, so where does it stop?...when does it change?...your equivalency argument is worn out, unproductive, and part of the problem....right, take your drum and go home

645 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:00:58am

re: #641 cliffster

University of Texas? Nothing. But Tennessee got fairly well shafted by Kiffin, who has now inherited a USC program that will be buried for at least a decade...

Oh, and USC can have him. According to The Kid, Kiffin's a jack ass.

646 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:01:12am

re: #636 reine.de.tout

Honestly; it seems that it would behoove him to check LGF with this stuff, and give credit right up front. He knows LGF is at the forefront on these things.

Well, at least he didn't try to BS his way out when caught.

647 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:02:12am

re: #639 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ok, This new google background thing is bugging the crap out of me. Anyone figure out how to turn it off yet?

Nope. I hate it.

Are you upset by googles new look?
[Link: consumerist.com...]

648 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:02:27am

re: #645 MandyManners

Oh, and USC can have him. According to The Kid, Kiffin's a jack ass.

that he is.

649 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:03:24am

re: #647 RogueOne

Nope. I hate it.

Are you upset by googles new look?
[Link: consumerist.com...]

Think I found something. Might be an option you have to turn off.

650 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:03:44am

re: #639 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ok, This new google background thing is bugging the crap out of me. Anyone figure out how to turn it off yet?

hey, they's pretty cool. lower-left corner.. "Change Background"

651 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:04:43am

re: #644 albusteve

which says nothing about tripling an already heavy debt, so where does it stop?...when does it change?...your equivalency argument is worn out, unproductive, and part of the problem...right, take your drum and go home

You could have made your point without jumping all over Ace. I actually agree with you. Republicans spent like money like drunken sailors but that doesn't excuse the dems for doubling, actually tripling, down on the stupid.

652 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:05:59am

re: #649 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #650 cliffster

Maybe I should read comment threads on other sites more often.....nah.

653 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:06:20am

re: #644 albusteve

which says nothing about tripling an already heavy debt, so where does it stop?...when does it change?...your equivalency argument is worn out, unproductive, and part of the problem...right, take your drum and go home

it should change right now. it's just not all Obama's fault. learning about the past does not mean that you are wrong about the present.

654 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:06:37am

re: #568 Charles

There is a tiny little "update" in the other blog link where he does say that you "noticed it two days ago". Obviously someone called him on the ripoff and so he put this lame little "update" to cover his unethical ass.

655 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:07:14am

re: #650 cliffster

hey, they's pretty cool. lower-left corner.. "Change Background"

But there is no "OFF" feature

656 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:07:24am

re: #628 Walter L. Newton

Hey...

Anyone see this?

Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Guy's a class act, too....but not as classy as the guy from the "We con the world" video who put on blackface and sang "I hate the jews" dressed as President Obama to the tune of "I did it my way."

Yes, Helen's comment was reprehensible.
Yes, death threats are wrong.
Yes, even those people who many see as heroic can act like assholes themselves from time to time.

There's an old saying about 'he who has not sinned' or something like that...can't remember who said it.

657 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:07:51am

re: #651 RogueOne

You could have made your point without jumping all over Ace. I actually agree with you. Republicans spent like money like drunken sailors but that doesn't excuse the dems for doubling, actually tripling, down on the stupid.

and i agree too. i think we have more credibility when we don't leave out the part about Republican spending, that's all.

but i've gotten used to Steve...he jumps because his legs aren't built for baby steps. water off of a swan's back, baby!

658 albusteve  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:08:45am

re: #653 Aceofwhat?

it should change right now. it's just not all Obama's fault. learning about the past does not mean that you are wrong about the present.

yes, peace

659 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:10:07am

re: #656 darthstar

Guy's a class act, too....but not as classy as the guy from the "We con the world" video who put on blackface and sang "I hate the jews" dressed as President Obama to the tune of "I did it my way."

Yes, Helen's comment was reprehensible.
Yes, death threats are wrong.
Yes, even those people who many see as heroic can act like assholes themselves from time to time.

There's an old saying about 'he who has not sinned' or something like that...can't remember who said it.

bah. Tosh.0 does worse every week and it's hysterical. I agree with the HuffPo poster...the worst part about it is that it's just not funny.

660 cliffster  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:10:12am

re: #655 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But there is no "OFF" feature

yeah you're right, that's pretty weird. Google's up to something.

661 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:11:36am

re: #658 albusteve

yes, peace

it's cool, dude. you're just being you...it doesn't get to me now that i've gotten to know you. rock on-

662 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:15:21am

re: #642 MandyManners

What is that thing?

That's what SHE said!

663 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:16:58am

re: #656 darthstar

Guy's a class act, too....but not as classy as the guy from the "We con the world" video who put on blackface and sang "I hate the jews" dressed as President Obama to the tune of "I did it my way."

Yes, Helen's comment was reprehensible.
Yes, death threats are wrong.
Yes, even those people who many see as heroic can act like assholes themselves from time to time.

There's an old saying about 'he who has not sinned' or something like that...can't remember who said it.

The Thomas screed was unmitigated anti-Semitic hate speech.
Why bitch and whine about the person to whom she issued the diatribe? Isn't that kind of a lame attempt to discredit the truth by shooting the messenger?

664 Kragar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:17:48am

So the only current "Fix" for the Google feauture is to go the "Editor's Picks" and choose the white background, but then the fonts on the page look weird.

Fuck you Google.

665 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:32:10am

re: #639 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ok, This new google background thing is bugging the crap out of me. Anyone figure out how to turn it off yet?

GOD YES IT'S ANNOYING!
/Rant off.

666 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:42:08am

re: #663 Spare O'Lake

The Thomas screed was unmitigated anti-Semitic hate speech.
Why bitch and whine about the person to whom she issued the diatribe? Isn't that kind of a lame attempt to discredit the truth by shooting the messenger?

I didn't discredit anything, nor did I shoot the messenger. Just because the guy himself can be a dick is irrelevant, but it doesn't change the fact that he can be a dick. You don't see a problem with accusing someone (like President Obama) of being an anti-semite when they're not? I find that inconsistency in outrage interesting.

667 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:49:17am

re: #659 Aceofwhat?

bah. Tosh.0 does worse every week and it's hysterical. I agree with the HuffPo poster...the worst part about it is that it's just not funny.

Agreed...it wasn't funny. Nor does it excuse Thomas' remark.

668 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 10:53:51am

re: #666 darthstar

I didn't discredit anything, nor did I shoot the messenger. Just because the guy himself can be a dick is irrelevant, but it doesn't change the fact that he can be a dick. You don't see a problem with accusing someone (like President Obama) of being an anti-semite when they're not? I find that inconsistency in outrage interesting.

Who gives a shit what some rabbi says about Obama? He doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Helen Thomas was and is the issue. Own it.

669 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:08:42am

re: #668 Spare O'Lake

Who gives a shit what some rabbi says about Obama? He doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Helen Thomas was and is the issue. Own it.

Like I said...interesting discrepancy...good luck with that.

670 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:42:56am

re: #667 darthstar

Agreed...it wasn't funny. Nor does it excuse Thomas' remark.

You should watch Tosh. Hysterical. Bad, but hysterical.

671 darthstar  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:14:00pm

re: #670 Aceofwhat?

You should watch Tosh. Hysterical. Bad, but hysterical.

I'll check it out.

672 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:13:56pm

On Topic:

That. Was. AWESOME!

Excellent animation.

673 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:27:58pm

re: #370 reine.de.tout

I retract nothing.
I have explained myself.
I do hope that the only people who vote are citizens.
I think that's a quite sensible thing to hope for.

I have not seen anything credible that illegals are voting, or voting in numbers that disrupt our election process.

These views do not negate each other.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Hey, Reine - I sure hope the Pope doesn't slip unnoticed into voting booths in countries he is visiting to illegally vote.

Of course there is no evidence that anything of the sort has been happening. Nevertheless I take nothing back - I stand by my original statement. Goddamn those imaginary illegally voting Popes!11!

Just who do they think they are to go trampling over our rights like that? Gaah!

674 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:41:45pm

re: #673 Jimmah

Hey, Reine - I sure hope the Pope doesn't slip unnoticed into voting booths in countries he is visiting to illegally vote.

Of course there is no evidence that anything of the sort has been happening. Nevertheless I take nothing back - I stand by my original statement. Goddamn those imaginary illegally voting Popes!11!

Just who do they think they are to go trampling over our rights like that? Gaah!

I don't know how the Pope got involved in this.

The rest of it is garbled gobbledy-gook that I never said. So, I'm not sure why you're addressing me with it.

675 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:51:37pm

re: #674 reine.de.tout

I don't know how the Pope got involved in this.

The rest of it is garbled gobbledy-gook that I never said. So, I'm not sure why you're addressing me with it.

Yes, Reine - the analogy is beyond your comprehension. You really have no idea what the connection between that and what you said was.

You really didn't get that it's odd to make a point of saying "I really do hope X doesn't happen" while fully admitting that X is not happening and is never likely to. Sure!

676 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:00:02pm

In #277, Killgore quoted a report, which said in part (and this was quoted by Killgore):

Though no one has precise figures, reports from school officials, businesses and individuals indicate worried Hispanics — both legal and illegal — are leaving the state in anticipation of the law, which will go into effect July 29.

Notice the report mentions people here legally and illegally.

Killgore then makes this comment:
re: #309 Killgore Trout

Sorry but the report is that hispanics are leaving because they fear persecution. The law was written by real white supremacists and creating fear among ethnic minorities was an intended consequence. They'll move somewhere else and they'll vote Dem.


And since the report he's referring to mentioned legal and illegal, I responded with:
re: #310 reine.de.tout

I hope the only ones voting will be those who are citizens, not the ones here illegally.


I've explained it and explained it, but it seems neither you nor Iceweasel want to accept the explanation or, really, engage in a discussion of this.

Iceweasel several times mentioned things I was "worried" about I never used the term "worry" or "worried". Those were her words, not mine.

Now you pop up and post some weird stuff that I never said.

Instead of accepting what I say or what I say I meant, you both seem intent on telling me what it is I meant. Well - yes, your rewriting of what I said is beyond my comprehension, I don't get it, nor can I figure out why you're doing it.

But carry on.

677 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 10, 2010 3:23:33pm

re: #676 reine.de.tout

In #277, Killgore quoted a report, which said in part (and this was quoted by Killgore):


I've explained it and explained it, but it seems neither you nor Iceweasel want to accept the explanation or, really, engage in a discussion of this.

Iceweasel several times mentioned things I was "worried" about I never used the term "worry" or "worried". Those were her words, not mine.

Now you pop up and post some weird stuff that I never said.

Instead of accepting what I say or what I say I meant, you both seem intent on telling me what it is I meant. Well - yes, your rewriting of what I said is beyond my comprehension, I don't get it, nor can I figure out why you're doing it.

But carry on.

You didn't explain anything there. You just recapped some of what I've already read. I'm perfectly aware of what you said, when you said it, and who to, etc.

It just seemed odd that you would make a point of raising what you admit is a non-issue. I think that's pretty reasonable.

It seems even more odd for you to insist that no-one could possibly think so.


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