This is an index of our most important posts related to the photos from the Mavi Marmara that were taken by a Turkish journalist/Islamist advocate, cropped to remove knives, blood, and bodies, and released to the wires by Reuters.
Starting with Killgore Trout’s original post that broke the story in LGF Pages:
By the way, PayPal is apparently canceling Pamela Geller's account. Reason: they're classifying her site as a hate site. Which it is.
I have no problem with that, and I have no respect for her. I am thought a bit concerned with the thought of finical institutions acting as censors... OK it may be good this time but the whole slippery slope thingy.
I have no problem with that, and I have no respect for her. I am thought a bit concerned with the thought of finical institutions acting as censors... OK it may be good this time but the whole slippery slope thingy.
They're a business. She violated the terms of service she agreed to. They are justified in cutting her off.
re: #16 brookly red
I have no use for Geller, either. I'd like to know what sites on the left PP's cancelled, though....
I can remember a friend a few years back complaining to me that they couldn't access LGF from their workplace because the employer had blocked it as ' inflammatory '.... which was ridiculous, so you have to be careful about that stuff.
Apparently the jihad is hard at work trying to kill free speech (and the bus ads and the 9111 no mosque movement) from making its way to those in pursuit of truth.
They're a business. She violated the terms of service she agreed to. They are justified in cutting her off.
yes I got that but it has that "we don't serve ______ here feel" to it... I mean it seems good now cause she is not such a good person, but the implications are disturbing.
Note to Ace and Stalkers: Charles gives credit on these pages where it is due. It's called 'honesty', you should try it.
You know what is Funny? There are ex-lizards at the stalker blog that just can't get over being Banned..Over a period of years...
I have never seen anything like it.. The Bitterness burns with those folks.
It really exposes them for what they are when you can't get over being shit canned from here and years later you are still crying about it...
Go grab a tissue and stop crying about it you bitches..
You got nothing..Nothing at all..You deserved being banned..
I don't find Geller's problems a source of amusement. I hope she takes PayPals' actions as a wakeup call.
She was a good friend for a while, but she decided that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
The enemy of my enemy is Not my friend. The enemy of my enemy is not to be trusted.
Guess PayPal had to notice all the stories involving Geller and the SEOI and that they weren't merely engaging in free speech, but pushing a hate speech agenda.
That definitely is going to put a crimp in her ability to fund those bus ads.
Right. If they don't want to associate with her, they can choose not to do business with her.
well that is a kinda Rand Paul stance... so let's for the sake of extreme argument say that XYZ oil refuses to sell gas to owners of German made cars...
It is their right, no?
well that is a kinda Rand Paul stance... so let's for the sake of extreme argument say that XYZ oil refuses to sell gas to owners of German made cars...
It is their right, no?
Note to Ace and Stalkers: Charles gives credit on these pages where it is due. It's called 'honesty', you should try it.
Ace has apparently responded to Charles' post, and though I won't link to it, I'll try to sum it up. Basically the accusation is not that Charles "steals" stories, but that he finds stuff on other sites, reproduces it on LGF, then "only" gives hat-tips. Apparently other bloggers are butt hurt that he's not providing one line "Go here to find out about story" posts, as if they don't pull the same shit. Also, he's hacked that Charles is portrayed as the central blogger of Rathergate and that, because he's not being public with demands for the media to fix that perception, it gives the appearance that Charles is taking sole credit for breaking the story.
In short, he got caught and is now trying to backtrack by saying that he didn't mean what he said and that his position is actually "reasonable."
Guess PayPal had to notice all the stories involving Geller and the SEOI and that they weren't merely engaging in free speech, but pushing a hate speech agenda.
That definitely is going to put a crimp in her ability to fund those bus ads.
Will it? These people have alternative means. See Stormfront,et all.
well that is a kinda Rand Paul stance... so let's for the sake of extreme argument say that XYZ oil refuses to sell gas to owners of German made cars...
It is their right, no?
I think that is a poor analogy. I'd say a better one would be that of a belligerent drunk being booted from a pub.
Heh, one of the funnier Ziggy cartoons I recall seeing was Ziggy sitting in a diner, looking at a sign that said "We Reserve the Right to Serve Refuse to Anyone", or something along those lines.
no, I am questioning the validity of the action... let us say that if XYZ insurance company refused to insure cars with Obama stickers on them you would not have a problem with that? We may find her distasteful, but I don't want to give private business the power to discriminate... see I am a Democrat after all.
no, I am questioning the validity of the action... let us say that if XYZ insurance company refused to insure cars with Obama stickers on them you would not have a problem with that? We may find her distasteful, but I don't want to give private business the power to discriminate... see I am a Democrat after all.
What if XYZ insurance company had a policy that it refused to insure cars with a "Death to the _____" bumper sticker? They didn't care what that last word was, as long as the first part was there, and the last word wasn't "breast cancer" or something.
re: #52 ryannon
Moms everywhere love soccer, because they mistakenly believe it's an injury-averse sport for their tykes.
Big mistake.
American fans, however, don't love to watch it, and probably won't for decades.
no, I am questioning the validity of the action... let us say that if XYZ insurance company refused to insure cars with Obama stickers on them you would not have a problem with that? We may find her distasteful, but I don't want to give private business the power to discriminate... see I am a Democrat after all.
Private business does not have to support hate sites, porn sites or gambling sites for example. If Obama had a hate site, they should do the same.
What if XYZ insurance company had a policy that it refused to insure cars with a "Death to the ___" bumper sticker? They didn't care what that last word was, as long as the first part was there, and the last word wasn't "breast cancer" or something.
Careful, freedom exists in the rights of those you find most odious... here we have a private enterprise determining the rights of speech... I can't stand her my self but she has not been convicted of anything. This is not a good thing and I suspect that if she has anything that can pass as a lawyer Paypal may regret this action.
no, I am questioning the validity of the action... let us say that if XYZ insurance company refused to insure cars with Obama stickers on them you would not have a problem with that? We may find her distasteful, but I don't want to give private business the power to discriminate... see I am a Democrat after all.
Businesses do have the power to discriminate. And they should. Bars have the right to refuse to serve drunks, restaurants have the right to refuse service to people without shirts, and so on. What they don't have the right to do is discriminate on any criterion. As with most things in life, it is not an either/or proposal. We don't have to give businesses the right to discriminate against anything, or never discriminate at all.
Which criteria are they allowed to discriminate on then? Well, that's up to ethics and laws, which are in turn derived from the social directives of the community. The doctor that put up a sign saying that Obama voters wouldn't be treated would have been in violation of medical ethics if he checked how people voted before treating them, because that's what we have decided medical ethics should represent. Similarly, we have collectively decided that speech promoting violence, intolerance and hatred should not enjoy total protection. If you want to have the debate that voting for Obama should be similarly shunned and beyond the pale, that debate can be had. In some circles it's been had and settled. However, I think you'll find it won't gain widespread acceptance.
Careful, freedom exists in the rights of those you find most odious... here we have a private enterprise determining the rights of speech...
Entirely wrong. Paypal has done nothing in anyway to determine Geller's rights of speech. They have only exercised their right to freedom of association.
Careful, freedom exists in the rights of those you find most odious... here we have a private enterprise determining the rights of speech... I can't stand her my self but she has not been convicted of anything. This is not a good thing and I suspect that if she has anything that can pass as a lawyer Paypal may regret this action.
PayPal is in no way restricting her speech. They are just choosing to not profit from speech that they deem as hate speech.
You know what is Funny? There are ex-lizards at the stalker blog that just can't get over being Banned..Over a period of years...
I have never seen anything like it.. The Bitterness burns with those folks.
It really exposes them for what they are when you can't get over being shit canned from here and years later you are still crying about it...
Go grab a tissue and stop crying about it you bitches..
You got nothing..Nothing at all..You deserved being banned..
What is even funnier is that at a previous stalker blog, the two principals behind this stalker blog were bragging in April 2008 about being part of an effort to take down Charles and LGF.
This occurred before they were banned here and Charles was unaware of this fact until I showed him details last year. Their original stalker blog which was owned by Eric Odom was removed from public view and the domain registration was allowed to expired.
well yes maybe you are happy to be on the winning side, but if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be so happy. I think it dangerous to allow private enterprise to decide what is best for us... I don't want a nanny state & I don't want nanny inc. either.
Oh, she is -- she's urging her readers to deluge them with email, and calling them "pathetic Paypal pussies."
I wonder which is a scarier prospect for them: Having all half dozen of her readers send nasty-grams to them or simply being associated with her site. I'm guessing the latter.
re: #73 EmmmieG
Nutritionally, you could do a whole lot worse, especially if you used dark chocolate.
The milk chocolate kind, with corn syrup and stuff, not so much./
Yeah, good luck to her trying to hurt Paypal. Not gonna happen.
I think it's actually kind of funny. PayPal says she's promoting hatred, shuts down her account, and says she can have it reinstated by showing her site's in compliance with their TOS, and what's Geller's first reaction? Incite hatred against PayPal!
I think it's actually kind of funny. PayPal says she's promoting hatred, shuts down her account, and says she can have it reinstated by showing her site's in compliance with their TOS, and what's Geller's first reaction? Incite hatred against PayPal!
well yes maybe you are happy to be on the winning side, but if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be so happy. I think it dangerous to allow private enterprise to decide what is best for us... I don't want a nanny state & I don't want nanny inc. either.
it has nothing to do with 'state'...it's a free country, and no, I'm not buying your excuses
well yes maybe you are happy to be on the winning side, but if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be so happy. I think it dangerous to allow private enterprise to decide what is best for us... I don't want a nanny state & I don't want nanny inc. either.
You seem to be a might confused. They're not ordering her to shut down her site, they're saying if she wants to keep utilizing their service, she has to comply with their TOS. Paypal's a business, just like any other. If they don't want to do business with a hate site, then that's their choice.
well yes maybe you are happy to be on the winning side, but if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be so happy. I think it dangerous to allow private enterprise to decide what is best for us... I don't want a nanny state & I don't want nanny inc. either.
The winning side? I made no value judgement whatsoever. I simply corrected your apparent mistaken belief of what freedom of speech is. PayPal is not the government so your comment about the nanny state is equally silly.
I am beginning to think that dipping an entire pint of strawberries in chocolate and eating that for lunch might not have been the wisest of ideas.
With me, chocolate turns acid reflux into the full-ON position. While I'm still eating the chocolate my brain is asking, "How can something that tastes this good make me feel so bad?" Hope that's not what it is for you.
well yes maybe you are happy to be on the winning side, but if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be so happy. I think it dangerous to allow private enterprise to decide what is best for us... I don't want a nanny state & I don't want nanny inc. either.
Entirely wrong again. Paypal is deciding what is best for their business, not what is best for "us". Their decision is so far removed from nanny state/nanny inc. that such a concept does not even appear as a dot on the horizon.
They've exercised their freedom of association, nothing more.
well yes maybe you are happy to be on the winning side, but if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be so happy. I think it dangerous to allow private enterprise to decide what is best for us... I don't want a nanny state & I don't want nanny inc. either.
If paypal were a government thing, I would agree. Private enterprise has the right to find people odious for behavioral reasons.
With me, chocolate turns acid reflux into the full-ON position. While I'm still eating the chocolate my brain is asking, "How can something that tastes this good make me feel so bad?" Hope that's not what it is for you.
No...it's a combo of calories and the fact that my brain is now a drop of water on the surface of hot bacon grease.
Entirely wrong again. Paypal is deciding what is best for their business, not what is best for "us". Their decision is so far removed from nanny state/nanny inc. that such a concept does not even appear as a dot on the horizon.
They've exercised their freedom of association, nothing more.
Bingo!
Pam violate her contract with PayPal.
Simple as that.
re: #100 brookly red
Haven't you seen the ads? ' It's Everywhere You Want to Be '. **
** and probably a few places you wouldn't be caught dead, as well...
You keep going with the most invalid of analogies. Again, think belligerent drunk booted from a bar.
The way you make it sound, a bar owner should have to tolerate a loud-mouthed drunk who calls all the women in the pub "dykes" or [sea-wurds] because the won't talk to him.
You keep going with the most invalid of analogies. Again, think belligerent drunk booted from a bar.
The way you make it sound, a bar owner should have to tolerate a loud-mouthed drunk who calls all the women in the pub "dykes" or [sea-wurds] because the won't talk to him.
Anarchy. The complete collapse of the contract system. WHEEE!
no that is not providing a service... what if the electric company was allowed to deny service to anyone they didn't like?
The electric company has a monopoly. Pay pal does not. Her supporters could just as easily mail her a check. In an envelope. Or they could send her a chicken in a box.
no that is not providing a service... what if the electric company was allowed to deny service to anyone they didn't like?
I threw out a customer a few weeks after he used the N word for the second time after being asked not to the first time. Was I restricting his free speech?
Discriminating on the basis of race, creed, etc., is illegal. Discriminating on the basis of behavior is not, nor should it be. You seem to be saying I can't throw somebody out of my shop for being a jerk. I can and I do.
It wasn't necessarily the shrieking harpy's posts about Muslims that got her account blocked -- it could well have been her recent posts supporting that murdered white supremacist leader in South Africa, by the way. Eugene Terreblanche, that's his name -- a freaking neo-Nazi, and right out in the open about it, too.
Alabama diners were not allowed to practice hate in 1966.
Paypal is smart enough, and moral enough, to leave bigotry out of their marketing niche.
I am glad that PayPal is both smart and moral.
This issue would have been addressed one way or another and PayPal just said "no".
I fail to see how this could possibly reflect negatively upon PayPal;
"Oh! They had every right to shoot themselves in the foot, but they refused to exercise their rights!"
no that is not providing a service... what if the electric company was allowed to deny service to anyone they didn't like?
Isn't it? I'm not aware of any law that says that Dominion Power has to take my money and provide me with power, nor of one that says they can't cancel my account at the drop of a hat. So long as they refund my money, they could pull the plug this very second.
By the way, PayPal is apparently canceling Pamela Geller's account. Reason: they're classifying her site as a hate site. Which it is.
Her latest claim is that Obama has outed himself as a seekrit Moooslim to the foreign minister of Egypt:
[...] Egyptian Foreign Minister Abul Gheit said on the "Round Table Show" that he had had a one on one meeting with Obama who swore to him that he was a Moslem, the son of a Moslem father and step-son of Moslem step-father, that his half-brothers in Kenya were Moslems, and that he was loyal to the Moslem agenda. He asked that the Moslem world show patience. Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic American problems (Healthcare), that he would show the Moslem world what he would do with Israel.
Sources? A low-rent "conservative Christian" site named "Web Today" and the print magazine "Israel Today," a Christian Zionist publication. Sample article in the same issue: "The Third Temple and the Third World War."
There is nothing too stupid for this woman to believe.
It wasn't necessarily the shrieking harpy's posts about Muslims that got her account blocked -- it could well have been her recent posts supporting that murdered white supremacist leader in South Africa, by the way. Eugene Terreblanche, that's his name -- a freaking neo-Nazi, and right out in the open about it, too.
He was one sick bastard. I watched a show with Louis Theroux, he interviewed him in South Africa about a month before he was killed.
Sources? A low-rent "conservative Christian" site named "Web Today" and the print magazine "Israel Today," a Christian Zionist publication. Sample article in the same issue: "The Third Temple and the Third World War."
There is nothing too stupid for this woman to believe.
A friend told me about this today. My response was "So what if he is?"
re: #156 Renaissance_Man
Well crap..... that's not where I came up with the idea.
And also, I answered my own question, as it appears they do not. Looks like amex, visa, m/c and check.
Saudi Arabia has conducted tests to stand down its air defences to allow Israeli warplanes to use its airspace in any bombing raid on Iran's nuclear facilities, The Times newspaper reported Saturday.
"The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way," a US defence source in the region told the paper.
"They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren?t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the (US) State Department."
Saw that. Sounds good but if that's true it's not the kind of thing that should be blasted in the media. Let alone be released to the media. According to that article:
"The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way," a US defence source in the region told the paper.
They're talking about the Times of London. If so then this "defense source" is a security risk and should be removed from the DoD immediately.
well yes maybe you are happy to be on the winning side, but if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be so happy. I think it dangerous to allow private enterprise to decide what is best for us... I don't want a nanny state & I don't want nanny inc. either.
You're just repeating the same claim over and over without anything to back it up. Paypal has done nothing to restrict Ms Geller's free speech. Nothing. At most, Paypal is refusing to do business with her but that doesn't restrict her from saying what she wants to say, nor doing business with another vendor.
UPDATE: Related: PayPal cutting off Pam Geller? [Later: A couple of readers wonder if this will hurt Meg Whitman's candidacy. Someone should ask her . . . ]
It's a Glenn Beck joke. He once spelled it "Oligarhy" on his blackboard while trying to make a stupid point with it. The next day he covered up a really lame excuse.
It's a Glenn Beck joke. He once spelled it "Oligarhy" on his blackboard while trying to make a stupid point with it. The next day he covered up a really lame excuse.
well that is a kinda Rand Paul stance... so let's for the sake of extreme argument say that XYZ oil refuses to sell gas to owners of German made cars...
It is their right, no?
Car brand ownership is a protected class now, like race? Oh wait, no it isn't:
The parking lot at Ford Motor Co.'s Dearborn Truck plant just got a little more exclusive.
Plant manager Rob Webber announced Monday that, starting Feb. 1, the parking lot may be used only by employees who drive vehicles built by Ford or one of its subsidiaries.
So, in reality Rand Paul's "stance" is that XYZ oil company should be allowed to refuse to sell gas to black people, regardless of what they drive. I think you know this too, but are being deliberately obtuse. Paypal isn't refusing to do business with Geller because of her ethnicity, religion, gender or age. The don't want to do business with her because she's a hate filled lunatic. A quick visit to crazyland tell me that Paypal isn't doing business with Louis Farrakhan's NOI either, I can't wait for you to work yourself into a froth over how wrong that is.
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