Jon Stewart on the ‘Mega Mosque’ Morons
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With a special Robert Spencer moment.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:17:44pm |
His reaction on reading the last Bible quote is probably my favorite part of this bit…..
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teleskiguy Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:18:11pm |
Saw this last night. A skilled and epic smackdown of religious bigots. Well done, Mr. Leibowitz!
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:21:08pm |
I love that one of the complaints about the Cordoba center is that Muslims are funding it.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:25:20pm |
re: #3 Obdicut
Well, it is funny given that thus far only two sources of funding have been made known - Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Bros Fund. Not exactly Islamic groups…
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:28:47pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:35:36pm |
“Why are there mosques being built in my community?”
“Because there are Muslims in your community.”
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greygandalf Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:39:59pm |
They don’t want free market religion competition!
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:44:25pm |
re: #4 lawhawk
Well, it is funny given that thus far only two sources of funding have been made known - Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Bros Fund. Not exactly Islamic groups…
Also, the Rand Corporation …
under the supervision of the reverse vampires.
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:46:06pm |
Diane Sawyer always seemed to put out a nativist vibe.
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ukobserver Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:47:14pm |
I have followed US politics pretty closely over the last 8 years (guess why!!!) and one of the things l do when at work ( l work for DSGI International, the largest electrical retail company in the UK) when i’m standing around not serving customers is peruse the net following some of my favourite US political sites.
Imagine my dismay when l found out that Little Green Footballs has been blocked on my works server.
What is the reason?
Well, according to the wonderful creators of Norton Internet Security, the company Symantec, it’s because (drumroll) LGF HAS BEEN CLASSED BY THEM AS A HATE SITE.
Now l have a problem. As l am supposed to be working and not following US politics l cannot really point out to head office that LGF do a great service in exposing hate sites and hate groups. It may have been the recent links to the insane commentary and actions of Pajamas Media and the nutjob Pam Geller that has done it, but l now cannot access the site in daylight hours unless l am at home or a friend’s house, which is annoying as have used LGF on more than a few occassions to point out some nutty action from American Right Wingers.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:54:48pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
Diane Sawyer and Peggy Noonan drive me nuts. They often get away with saying the dumbest and most outrageous stuff due to the “concerned grandmother” schtick they have spent decades perfecting. Clearly, they were a major inspiration of the first message board’s concern trolls.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:57:02pm |
re: #11 ukobserver
Unfortunately, some companies are way too quick to add websites to blacklists, and they can be gamed by malicious people who want to block a site like LGF. This has happened a couple of times before.
The only way to get the blacklisting removed is to protest to your IT department. If you can’t do that I don’t know what else to advise.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:57:26pm |
I saw this last night and was in stitches. I’m sure he’ll get complaints about the Puerto Rican comment, but I’m hoping this gets youtubed and sent to every Foxhead that appeared on the bit (including Diane Sawyer from ABC…).
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:02:02pm |
re: #14 Charles
Unfortunately, some companies are way too quick to add websites to blacklists, and they can be gamed by malicious people who want to block a site like LGF. This has happened a couple of times before.
The only way to get the blacklisting removed is to protest to your IT department. If you can’t do that I don’t know what else to advise.
I had a very weird experience several years ago. I could access LGF from work but not from home! I called my service provider and explained the problem but they said LGF was not blocked for their subscribers.
The problem went away when I tossed my Netgear router and replaced it with a Linksys.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:09:09pm |
Stewart already said everything that needs to be said about these hypocritical jerks.
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Four More Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:09:35pm |
The second segment he did last night was killer too. He proposed buying the Queen of England for ourselves and John Oliver went ballistic.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:10:54pm |
re: #11 ukobserver
Are you allowed to be on the internet while on a break? If so, that’s a plausible reason for finding out that LGF was blocked…
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:14:35pm |
LOL, apparently Beck’s crappy novel was a rewrite from one of the ghost writers earlier crappy works.
Recently it came to light that Glenn Beck’s new novel The Overton Window is rather similar to another crappy novel Circumference of Darkness. It seems that the reason for this is that the ghostwriter of Beck’s novel, Jack Henderson, also wrote Circumference of Darkness. Now a correspondence has been found from an angry Glenn Beck to his hired hack. Apparently Beck thought he was buying a new novel to put his name all over.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:15:22pm |
re: #18 JasonA
The second segment he did last night was killer too. He proposed buying the Queen of England for ourselves and John Oliver went ballistic.
Wouldn’t a lease with an option to buy make more sense in the long run?
/
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:16:03pm |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wouldn’t a lease with an option to buy make more sense in the long run?
/
I bet the Royal Family would rent out Prince Charles at a discount…
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:16:45pm |
re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
LOL, apparently Beck’s crappy novel was a rewrite from one of the ghost writers earlier crappy works.
Circumference of Darkness! Sounds like a spell from D&D
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:17:17pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
Circumference of Darkness! Sounds like a spell from D&D
But does it deflect magic missiles?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:18:10pm |
re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
LOL, apparently Beck’s crappy novel was a rewrite from one of the ghost writers earlier crappy works.
What you mean Glenn Beck’s crappy novel isn’t just a rewrite of Atlas Shrugged? Well there goes my plans to ever bother buying a copy of it for fifty cents at a yard sale so that I could have the pleasure of MST3King it in pen….
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:22:42pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
Circumference of Darkness! Sounds like a spell from D&D
I think they had one like that where the caster was encased in a 15’ sphere of darkness only he could see thru.
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blueraven Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:23:49pm |
re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
LOL, apparently Beck’s crappy novel was a rewrite from one of the ghost writers earlier crappy works.
You do know that this is not real, right? Lee Camp always does these “leaked email” bits.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:24:32pm |
re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
LOL, apparently Beck’s crappy novel was a rewrite from one of the ghost writers earlier crappy works.
Comedy section guys. Dont think its real.
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Four More Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:26:52pm |
re: #27 blueraven
re: #28 McSpiff
The letter is a fake, but the story is real.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:28:48pm |
re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think they had one like that where the caster was encased in a 15’ sphere of darkness only he could see thru.
No, that was Circumference of Dorkness.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:29:01pm |
re: #29 JasonA
re: #28 McSpiff
The letter is a fake, but the story is real.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
And everything turned out better than expected!
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:30:43pm |
Here’s an interesting one…
Federal judge orders Osceola County sheriff to issue gun permit
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Four More Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:31:24pm |
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:33:17pm |
re: #33 JasonA
Huh?
Just me expressing some small joy that Glenn Beck paid for a mad lib, even if that email itself was a comedy piece. Hadn’t heard that until this thread.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:33:34pm |
re: #29 JasonA
re: #28 McSpiff
The letter is a fake, but the story is real.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Well, I was sad, then I was happy again.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:33:56pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:35:28pm |
re: #32 oaktree
Here’s an interesting one…
Federal judge orders Osceola County sheriff to issue gun permit
Here’s another interesting story…
S.F. considers banning sale of pets except fish
Sell a guinea pig, go to jail.
That’s the law under consideration by San Francisco’s Commission of Animal Control and Welfare. If the commission approves the ordinance at its meeting tonight, San Francisco could soon have what is believed to be the country’s first ban on the sale of all pets except fish.
That includes dogs, cats, hamsters, mice, rats, chinchillas, guinea pigs, birds, snakes, lizards and nearly every other critter, or, as the commission calls them, companion animals.
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rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:37:36pm |
re: #32 oaktree
Here’s an interesting one…
Federal judge orders Osceola County sheriff to issue gun permit
The Sheriff better enjoy his power play while he can. Iowa becomes a shall issue state January 1. Previously, County Sheriffs got to decide who could have a concealed carry permit.
After 1 Jan, if the person passes the background checks and has the appropriate training, they get the permit.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:37:44pm |
re: #29 JasonA
re: #28 McSpiff
The letter is a fake, but the story is real.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Here’s a link to the guy (Chris Kelly) Beck accuses of accusing him of plagiarism…funny shit. Beck is as bad at buying a ghostwriter as Palin is, apparently.
[Link: www.investingcontrarian.com…]
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:39:09pm |
re: #37 NJDhockeyfan
As I posted earlier, that’s inaccurate. The only ban is on sales in pet stores, not a ban on private sales, or adoptions from the pound or rescue organizations.
It is also unlikely to pass, as the scientific studies are saying that the shelter animals do not largely come from pet stores.
Finally, San Francisco euthanizes 13% of all shelter dogs and cats, versus 35% nationally. We do amazingly well at placing animals, and this is, in spirit, part of that; the reason this is being even considered is how many people abandon their hamsters and other pets at shelters, and the difficulty in placing those animals.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:41:28pm |
re: #40 Obdicut
…snip. We do amazingly well at placing animals, and this is, in spirit, part of that; the reason this is being even considered is how many people abandon their hamsters and other pets at shelters, and the difficulty in placing those animals.
Place the hamsters with the dogs and cats. I love to solve a problem with a problem.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:43:18pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
Circumference of Darkness! Sounds like a spell from D&D
Well, apparently Hypotenuse of Horseshit was taken.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:44:41pm |
re: #37 NJDhockeyfan
Ok! Now I’m going to write a letter to the SF City Council Members and ask them why they hate fish!
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:47:28pm |
I can’t get over the “space place” crack. Stewart rocked it out all the way through the whole clip. I love the Reagan-smack down. What a bunch of hypocrites.
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Four More Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:50:05pm |
re: #44 Ebetty
I can’t get over the “space place” crack. Stewart rocked it out all the way through the whole clip. I love the Reagan-smack down. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Steve Doocey is a complete idiot.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:50:30pm |
re: #38 rwdflynavy
The Sheriff better enjoy his power play while he can. Iowa becomes a shall issue state January 1. Previously, County Sheriffs got to decide who could have a concealed carry permit.
After 1 Jan, if the person passes the background checks and has the appropriate training, they get the permit.
I can see two sides to this one. The sheriff could be deficient, as the judge ruled. He could also have an undiagnosed nutcase making life hell for the townsfolk. The sheriff has to take a course, the judge has to pray that the sheriff wasn’t right.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:50:35pm |
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:51:21pm |
Ere: #45 JasonA
Yep. Somewhere a village is thankful he’s gone.
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:54:22pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
Circumference of Darkness? Is Bruce Campbell in that?
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:54:31pm |
‘Near-riot’ in the sky as delayed flyers miss World Cup semifinal
Aircraft unable to land at Durban because of private planes clogging King Shaka airport
The Guardian (UK) 07/08/2010
Author: David Smith
Copyright (C) 2010 The Guardian. All rights reserved
“A near-riot erupted on an aeroplane over South Africa as football fans rushed towards the cockpit to protest at missing last night’s World Cup semifinal between Germany and Spain, witnesses have claimed.
The fans were among hundreds of angry ticket holders whose flights were delayed or turned back because Durban’s new King Shaka international airport was full. Some complained that priority had been given to private jets used by celebrity spectators such as Paris Hilton and Leonardo DiCaprio.
The atmosphere became fraught on a flight from Cape Town to Durban when the captain announced it was being redirected to Johannesburg, passenger Jay Moodley told the Mercury newspaper. “There was almost a riot on the plane and about 10 foreigners rushed towards the cockpit,” he was quoted as saying. “The captain told them that they would be arrested if they did not sit down. Things were very tense.””
…………….
“ACSA said problems arose because some VIP planes, which were supposed to land at King Shaka airport and later park at an old airport some 40 miles away, would The congestion problem was caused by some private airplanes [which] refused to move … after landing, therefore blocking landing space for other planesnot move. “,” airports chief Monhla Hlahla told 702 Radio. “Priority had to be given to VIPs who were caught up in the situation. We had too many flights wanting to land and at some point we had to instruct them to turn back.” The company insisted passengers would not be reimbursed.
The disarray was a rare setback for a tournament that has defied sceptics with its smooth running and few hiccups. Organisers have, perhaps prematurely, already hailed it an unqualified triumph.
Rich Mkhondo, spokesman for the World Cup local organising committee, told Reuters there was nothing the organisers could do about the incident now. “Unfortunately, these kind of things happen,” he said. “We will be meeting with ACSA later today to make sure this doesn’t happen again during the final.”
Paris Hilton, meanwhile, posted on Twitter after last night’s game: “Back in Johannesberg [sic] already. Shortest flight ever. Only 15 minutes.”“
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:55:19pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:56:09pm |
Abbas to Arabs: We’d Support a War Against Israel
Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas told Arab leaders that the PA is ready to wage war on Israel if the rest of the Arab world does, according to the PA daily Al-Hayat al-Jadida as translated by Palestinian Media Watch.
“If you want war, and if all of you will fight Israel, we are in favor. But the Palestinians will not fight alone because they don’t have the ability to do it,” Abbas quoted himself as having said at the March Arab League Summit in Libya.
How long will it take for the UN to complain about this?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:56:19pm |
TV Ad: Sharron Angle Wouldn’t Fight for Nevada Jobs
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:56:37pm |
re: #51 tnguitarist
Doocey is a blond bimbo.
I disagree. I usually find blonde bimbos somewhat attractive in a sleazy kind of way.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:57:57pm |
re: #52 NJDhockeyfan
Abbas to Arabs: We’d Support a War Against Israel
How long will it take for the UN to complain about this?
/facepalm
At least he’s being honest. Now tell them to fuck off and fend for themselves.
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I Am Kreniigh! Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:00:09pm |
Ugh… The NASA logo morphing into the star and crescent… As laughable as these people are, they’re potentially making the world more dangerous for everyone by crying wolf at every. single. possible. issue.
Radical Islam does pose a threat to the Western world, and it’s important that the people who can deal with it are able to discern real threats from made-up crap about logos. Right now, I think that’s the case. But what if the people who believe every crazy theory Fox throws out manage to elect a lot more Bachmans and Becks? What happens if policy makers treat this issue with the same kind of paranoid lens?
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:00:13pm |
re: #52 NJDhockeyfan
Abbas to Arabs: We’d Support a War Against Israel
How long will it take for the UN to complain about this?
How did that work out for them in 1967?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:00:18pm |
re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
/facepalm
At least he’s being honest. Now tell them to fuck off and fend for themselves.
Further in the story was this quote from Abbas:
Earlier this week, Abbas eulogized terrorist Abu Daoud, the mastermind of the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre, calling him “one of the leading figures in Fatah.”
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:03:30pm |
re: #58 NJDhockeyfan
Here’s a tractor. I find looking at tractors helps me when I’m feeling under the weather.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:05:11pm |
Good Afternoon Lizards!
The new King Version revealed tonight.. 9pm EST.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:05:16pm |
re: #59 darthstar
Here’s a tractor. I find looking at tractors helps me when I’m feeling under the weather.
Thank you. That is a fine tractor picture that will help me get better.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:06:02pm |
If one sees the War on Terror as the Clash of Cultures between Christianity and Islam, and that Islam = Radical Islamism, then building a mosque near Ground Zero or any other Place of Choice is a victory for The Enemy.
And that is the subtext to all these rants about the spread of Islam in America.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:06:42pm |
re: #57 Alouette
How did that work out for them in 1967?
Agree.
But the ‘73 war was the better test, with the total commitment of the surrounding Arab countries with some up-to-date hardware and tactics.
Israel still prevailed - with unconditional support from the US.
/Nixon, you Magnificent Bastard!
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:06:52pm |
re: #52 NJDhockeyfan
Abbas to Arabs: We’d Support a War Against Israel
How long will it take for the UN to complain about this?
Wait, they want peace though right? right?
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:06:55pm |
re: #58 NJDhockeyfan
I sincerely hope that the Israelis have a plan to take him out at the drop of a hat. Two faced little shit.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:08:01pm |
re: #60 HoosierHoops
Good Afternoon Lizards!
The new King James Version revealed tonight.. 9pm EST.
PIMF my first post today? Jeez…
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:09:07pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:09:49pm |
re: #63 Ericus58
We didn’t give them unconditional support. We didn’t give them any direct military support. We only gave them logistical support.
In addition:
As a result, the United States exerted tremendous pressure on the Israelis to refrain from attacking the trapped army, even threatening to support a UN resolution to force the Israelis to pull back to their October 22 positions if they did not allow non-military supplies to reach the army. In a phone call with Israeli ambassador Simcha Dinitz, Kissinger told the ambassador that the destruction of the Egyptian Third Army “is an option that does not exist.”[179]
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:12:01pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:15:05pm |
re: #56 Kreniigh
Ugh… The NASA logo morphing into the star and crescent… As laughable as these people are, they’re potentially making the world more dangerous for everyone by crying wolf at every. single. possible. issue.
Radical Islam does pose a threat to the Western world, and it’s important that the people who can deal with it are able to discern real threats from made-up crap about logos. Right now, I think that’s the case. But what if the people who believe every crazy theory Fox throws out manage to elect a lot more Bachmans and Becks? What happens if policy makers treat this issue with the same kind of paranoid lens?
That was strange… wasn’t it?
“When I became the NASA administrator — or before I became the NASA administrator — he charged me with three things… [snip] …and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering.”
Another crazy Fox theory?
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:15:51pm |
re: #68 Obdicut
We didn’t give them unconditional support. We didn’t give them any direct military support. We only gave them logistical support.
In addition:
Obdi, why are you splitting hairs with me - it’s too hot and I’m about out of here.
When Nixon told his Cabinet and Military to give the Israelis any item they needed, even taking hardware from active units to prevent them from suffering defeat… that’s pushing in your chips on their side.
Having Kissinger relay that is just good Diplomacy, backed by having already shown the Israelis that we had their back.
Must every opinion on this board be a contest of wills with you?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:16:02pm |
Looks like some people are not happy with CNN firing this bitch…
CNN’s firing of Octavia Nasr protested
CNN’s firing of Senior Middle East News Editor Octavia Nasr has prompted an outcry from Arab-Americans, angry about what they see as a double standard when it comes to coverage of the Middle East in the American media.
Nasr’s 20-year career at CNN ended Wednesday after a tweet mourning the death of Sayyed Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, a Lebanese Shiite cleric whom she called “one of Hezbollah’s giants I respect a lot.” Facing a rash of criticism, she explained her tweet in a blog post, saying her respect was based on Fadlallah’s advocacy for women’s rights. But by then, it was too late. CNN put out a statement a few hours later, saying her “credibility” had been “compromised.”
Good for CNN firing her.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:19:21pm |
While I wouldn’t deny Muslims the right to have a mosque anywhere, subject to zoning laws, I do think this is a poor choice of location by them given the inevitable ill will it will generate from many who remember Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11, in more places than Gaza.
However what makes me more than mildly critical is hearing that the head honcho is a son of one of the founders of the Muslim brotherhood; and if anyone says that he shouldn’t be tarred with daddy’s crap, I say get a brain. We lambasted Obama for less direct connections to many unsavory characters.
If I am misinformed, please correct me.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:21:14pm |
re: #72 Ericus58
Obdi, why are you splitting hairs with me - it’s too hot and I’m about out of here.
It’s not hair-slitting at all. We didn’t, and don’t, have a mutual defense treaty with Israel and I wish we did.
When Nixon told his Cabinet and Military to give the Israelis any item they needed, even taking hardware from active units to prevent them from suffering defeat… that’s pushing in your chips on their side.
Definitely. And then we basically ordered them to not take a specific military action so that we could remove Egypt from the Soviet sphere of influence. That’s using Israel as a political pawn.
Having Kissinger relay that is just good Diplomacy, backed by having already shown the Israelis that we had their back.
No, Kissinger’s plan was specifically aimed at gaining US dominance in Egypt. This was the height of the Cold War.
Must every opinion on this board be a contest of wills with you?
How on earth is me disagreeing with you a ‘battle of wills’?
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jaunte Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:21:17pm |
re: #71 Walter L. Newton
Maybe Bolden left off part of his statement:
“When I became the NASA administrator — or before I became the NASA administrator — he charged me with three things.. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost,
[since I’m being interviewed by Al Jazeera]
he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering.”
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:21:35pm |
re: #64 McSpiff
Wait, they want peace though right? right?
re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I sincerely hope that the Israelis have a plan to take him out at the drop of a hat. Two faced little shit.
From the article:
“What we hear from everyone is that the basis is negotiations. At a time that the entire world agrees about this… We are unable to confront Israel militarily,” Abbas told the PA envoy.
Abbas, who is serving his fifth term as head of the PA after unilaterally extending his term in office, has made several statements in recent years that have raised concerns as to his true intentions. In 2008, as Israel and the PA engaged in peace talks, Abbas told a Jordanian paper that he opposed terrorism “at present” but that “things may change.”
Of course, this doesn’t make Abbas exactly a saint, but he is not advocating war.
Also, this stuff comes from Arutz Sheva
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Arutz Sheva is an Israeli media network identifying with Religious Zionism. It offers online news in English, Hebrew, French and Russian in three formats: written, internet radio, and internet television. The Israeli government has never granted it a license to broadcast, prompting charges of government discrimination against the Religious Zionist public. Arutz Sheva sees itself as “the only independent national radio station in Israel” and a counterbalance to “the ‘negative thinking’ and ‘post-Zionist’ attitudes so prevalent in Israel’s liberal-left media.” Based in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), Arutz Sheva is seen as the voice of the Israeli settlement movement.
This is NOT to imply that reports are false, but we should be mindful that Arutz Sheva has a pretty clear agenda.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:21:52pm |
re: #71 Walter L. Newton
That was strange… wasn’t it?
“When I became the NASA administrator — or before I became the NASA administrator — he charged me with three things… [snip] …and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering.”
Another crazy Fox theory?
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]
I read the article and didn’t see Fox mentioned anywhere.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:23:05pm |
re: #78 NJDhockeyfan
I read the article and didn’t see Fox mentioned anywhere.
I was being smart assed. Why do you think I picked a non-Fox source.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:24:11pm |
re: #80 Walter L. Newton
I was being smart assed. Why do you think I picked a non-Fox source.
I know. I was being a smart ass back.
:)
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:27:19pm |
re: #81 NJDhockeyfan
I know. I was being a smart ass back.
:)
I would like to wish you well during your difficult Health issues this week.
Get well soon Bro
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:28:06pm |
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:28:59pm |
Well, this is going to fuck up the tenthers arguments for a few days.
Court says DOMA violates States’ Rights.
In Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. Health and Human Services, Tauro considered whether the federal law’s definition of marriage — one man and one woman — violates state sovereignty by treating some couples with Massachusetts’ marriage licenses differently than others.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:29:13pm |
re: #82 HoosierHoops
I would like to wish you well during your difficult Health issues this week.
Get well soon Bro
Thank you…I have a few months to get better. Every day is better than the day before.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:30:21pm |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
Likewise.
In the video, Stewart clearly demonstrates that using NASA as a diplomatic outreach is nothing new, and that Reagan did it with our arch-nemesis, the USSR.
Maybe the logo is actually supposed to represent a hammer and sickle!
Now what was your point, Walter?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:30:53pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:32:32pm |
re: #86 Obdicut
Likewise.
In the video, Stewart clearly demonstrates that using NASA as a diplomatic outreach is nothing new, and that Reagan did it with our arch-nemesis, the USSR.
Maybe the logo is actually supposed to represent a hammer and sickle!
Now what was your point, Walter?
I already made it. So, Stewart and I don’t agree. That ok with you? Guess what Obdi, i don’t agree with you or Stewart, so…
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:33:14pm |
Gov. Lingle Compares Same-Sex Marriage To Incest, Doesn’t Realize Cousins Can Marry In Hawaii
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
I will be so glad when this is all over and done with and an adult can marry another adult no matter what sex they are.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:34:05pm |
Spencer’s reply:
jihadwatch.org/2010/07/spencer-on-the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart.html
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:36:09pm |
re: #88 Walter L. Newton
I already made it. So, Stewart and I don’t agree. That ok with you? Guess what Obdi, i don’t agree with you or Stewart, so…
What don’t you agree with, Walter? You haven’t, actually, made a clear point.
Why not make one, instead of mislabeling things as “Fox news” to try to sandbag people?
Sheesh.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:36:31pm |
re: #90 000G
I thought we don’t link to Jihad Watch?
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:36:38pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:37:44pm |
re: #91 Obdicut
What don’t you agree with, Walter? You haven’t, actually, made a clear point.
Why not make one, instead of mislabeling things as “Fox news” to try to sandbag people?
Sheesh.
Whatever… go ahead, get in the last word… I’m bored with your sniping. Like Ericus58 said above… you love splitting hairs. Go for it.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:37:48pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:39:27pm |
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:39:50pm |
re: #94 Walter L. Newton
Whatever… go ahead, get in the last word… I’m bored with your sniping. Like Ericus58 said above… you love splitting hairs. Go for it.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:40:11pm |
re: #76 jaunte
Maybe Bolden left off part of his statement:
“When I became the NASA administrator — or before I became the NASA administrator — he charged me with three things.. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost,
[since I’m being interviewed by Al Jazeera]
he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering.”
I didn’t think the Obama administration did Taqiyya.
;D
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:40:12pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:40:12pm |
re: #84 darthstar
Well, this is going to fuck up the tenthers arguments for a few days.
That’s interesting. I wonder whether (and i ask this question as nervously and dispassionately as possible, and will flee any emotive response from any perspective) there is a looming conflict with the same line of legal reasoning that elevated Roe v. Wade over states’ rights. I honestly don’t know. It’s the first question that came to mind when i read the article…
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:40:37pm |
re: #89 webevintage
Gov. Lingle Compares Same-Sex Marriage To Incest, Doesn’t Realize Cousins Can Marry In Hawaii
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]I will be so glad when this is all over and done with and an adult can marry another adult no matter what sex they are.
As long as the term marriage is tied into our legal and tax codes, the government is going to meddle in what should be a purely religious or cultural contract.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:41:02pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:41:06pm |
re: #95 darthstar
I like meatballs. OMFGZ! I’m an islamist!
i thought you were a veggie, for some odd reason…
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:41:34pm |
re: #90 000G
Spencer’s reply:
jihadwatch.org/2010/07/spencer-on-the-daily-show-w ith-jon-stewart.html
Almost like he didn’t watch Stewart skewer him already on those very points.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:41:51pm |
re: #99 darthstar
either way, the article link doesn’t work.
For some reason, LGF parsed the URL so that there is a space between w and i in the word with that is not supposed to be there.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:42:19pm |
I happened across a mosque yesterday while driving in an area of Houston yesterday for the first time. It was absolutely stunning architecture with golden minarets. It was feast for the eyes and I appreciated its beauty, standing out as it did in a otherwise dull and rather depressed area. What happens inside is of no more concern to me than what happens inside any other church.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:42:28pm |
re: #99 darthstar
either way, the article link doesn’t work.
He broke the link on purpose (I think). Paste it into your browser and remove the space.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:42:30pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:43:04pm |
re: #105 000G
For some reason, LGF parsed the URL so that there is a space between w and i in the word with that is not supposed to be there.
suuure, it’s Charles’ fault, i seee/
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:43:31pm |
re: #90 000G
Spencer’s reply:
jihadwatch.org/2010/07/spencer-on-the-daily-show-w ith-jon-stewart.html
Don’t want to visit his shitty site. Maybe you’d like to summarise his reply?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:43:59pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:44:24pm |
Well this ain’t cool…
Guns Belonging to Israeli PM’s Bodyguards Go Missing At NYC Airport
Four guns belonging to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s bodyguards, which were last seen at JFK Airport, have vanished in “an incredible comedy of errors” that has deeply embarrassed US officials.
The search for the four 9mm semiautomatic Glock 17 pistols “is priority No. 1 in American law enforcement,” a Port Authority source told The Post.
“They [the Port Authority] have opened up the checkbooks on this one,” another official said about the probe of the massive security error, which is also being investigated by the FBI, Secret Service and Israeli authorities.
The official noted the bodyguards “are Netanyahu’s personal protectors — they are like Secret Service agents on the presidential detail.”
American Airlines yesterday authorized a search of its workers’ lockers at JFK because of the possibility that the guns were stolen there from a carrying case — which was then misdirected to a Los Angeles-bound plane, to delay discovery of the crime.
But “the working theory is that the guns are in New York,” said a source. “Anyone who came in contact with that bag [case] is being interviewed and the authorities in Los Angles are doing the exact same thing.”
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:44:47pm |
re: #110 Jimmah
Don’t want to visit his shitty site. Maybe you’d like to summarise his reply?
How about I just quote it in whole?:
I’m not really on the show. As you can see, Stewart just replays and ridicules a portion of my recent appearance on the Hannity Show. He singles out for mockery my statement that Islamic law dictates laws for non-believers, whereas other religious traditions don’t, and juxtaposes my statement with a number of speakers saying that American law is rooted in the Ten Commandments and the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Stewart’s entire argument here in favor of the building of mosques at Ground Zero and elsewhere is based on the assumption that Islam is equivalent to Judaism and Christianity in its compatibility with the Establishment Clause and the sacred/secular distinction that prevails in American society and law. He is assuming that Islam has no political or supremacist character that is any different from that found in Christianity, and that if Islamic supremacists wish to impose Islamic laws on non-believers, that’s just the same as Christians fighting against abortion laws, etc.
The only problem with this is that it’s false. No doubt Stewart has never heard of the dhimma, the institutionalized subjugation of non-Muslims and denial of their equality of rights that is part and parcel of Islamic law in all its various forms to this day, but it is a very different thing from Christians or Jews working in the public arena for popular acceptance of their programs. If Christians or Jews were working subversively to impose laws that would strip equality of rights from whole segments of the population, but as I showed in my 2007 book Religion of Peace?, such contentions about “Christian extremists” are largely chimerical, and designed to distract attention from the real and growing threat to Constitutional liberties — that of Islamic supremacism.
Anyway, I’d be glad to discuss these matters further with Jon Stewart, either on or off the air. But let’s just say I won’t be waiting by the phone.
Video heads-up thanks to Kamala.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:44:47pm |
re: #108 Aceofwhat?
is it splitting hairs to point out that at least our prior enemies had the capability of exploring space with us…?
It’s not splitting hairs, it’s a flat out falsehood.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:44:49pm |
re: #105 000G
For some reason, LGF parsed the URL so that there is a space between w and i in the word with that is not supposed to be there.
Long strings of characters get broken so they don’t “roger” the thread.
“To roger a thread” is an LGF term that goes back to when the space didn’t get put in the string.
You don’t want to know.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:45:33pm |
re: #91 Obdicut
re: #93 goddamnedfrank
I’m sorry… to both of you. I didn’t quite realize you were referencing the Stewart video at first, I though when you mentioned video, you meant the one on the page at the LA Times I linked to.
No, I didn’t watch the Stewart video. Don’t even care too. I don’t find him funny. Smug, but not funny at all.
My comment above was really an off topic comment, directed to the story about part of NASA’s. outreach to Muslim nations.
No… I don’t think we should be having a scientific outreaching to anyone who’s culture treat certain members of their society the way they do… I don’t think we should be having a scientific outreaching to anyone who has members of their culture that would be satisfied in seeing all infidels succumb to their wishes… I don’t think we should be having a scientific outreaching to anyone who’s culture has not added very much to the advancement of our current world…
No… I’ll be interested in some outreach after these cultures can learn to play nice with the rest of the world. I would have thought that the administrations slap in the face by Iran would have taught them a little lesson… guess not.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:45:40pm |
re: #110 Jimmah
Don’t want to visit his shitty site. Maybe you’d like to summarise his reply?
John Stewart is a poopy caca doody head
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:45:40pm |
re: #106 allegro
I happened across a mosque yesterday while driving in an area of Houston yesterday for the first time. It was absolutely stunning architecture with golden minarets. It was feast for the eyes and I appreciated its beauty, standing out as it did in a otherwise dull and rather depressed area. What happens inside is of no more concern to me than what happens inside any other church.
As with every creed and color, they are welcome here. The land of opportunity welcomes all who truly wish to be here, and when some idiot of any religion or race turns against us, we come together faster than magnets in a vaccum…
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:45:48pm |
re: #115 wrenchwench
Long strings of characters get broken so they don’t “roger” the thread.
“To roger a thread” is an LGF term that goes back to when the space didn’t get put in the string.
You don’t want to know.
Roger that.
Gotcha, thanks for the heads up.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:46:14pm |
re: #110 Jimmah
Don’t want to visit his shitty site. Maybe you’d like to summarise his reply?
Nuh uh, no sirrrrr, he’s wrong!!!1!
—pretty much covers it.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:46:37pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:47:02pm |
re: #108 Aceofwhat?
is it splitting hairs to point out that at least our prior enemies had the capability of exploring space with us…?
Anyone with a telescope can participate with NASA stuff, Ace.
And The Dish is a great movie.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:47:42pm |
re: #86 Obdicut
Wasn’t it rather unfortunate that Bolton mischaracterized Obama’s Muslim outreach directive as being the prime NASA directive from the administration?
Also, using joint space and technological initiatives to reach out to one’s cold war enemy is hardly the same thing as the directive to use NASA to reach out to Islamic countries to make them feel good about math and science. Or is it?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:47:42pm |
re: #121 Aceofwhat?
just teasing you about the “LGF parsed the url” bit…
Sorry, it’s close to midnight here and I still suffer from getting over a cold and a jet lag from my latest trip to New York. Guess it flew over my head.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:47:52pm |
OMG.. I feel to the floor out of my chair and may be bleeding from the Head…
The Celtics just signed Jermaine O’Neal to a 2 year contract.. Are you effen kidding me..O’Neal hasn’t had knees for 2 years…Why are we bringing in a guy that is 6’11 that can only shoot 18 foot jumpers? He won’t play more than 5 minutes a game…Lawdy.. Bring in a big young stud that can grow into a power forward.. Somebody with an upside…Crap..
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:47:53pm |
re: #103 Aceofwhat?
i thought you were a veggie, for some odd reason…
I was, for about ten years, but I’ve been a happy carnivore for six now.
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:48:03pm |
re: #113 000G
So, Christians or Jews wishing to impose their religious views on others by making them law is just somehow different from when Islamists do it, because Islam is different.
You buying that?
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:48:11pm |
re: #123 Spare O’Lake
It seems like a totally standard nontroversy to me, yes.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:48:25pm |
re: #113 000G
but it is a very different thing from Christians or Jews working in the public arena for popular acceptance of their programs. If Christians or Jews were working subversively to impose laws that would strip equality of rights from whole segments of the population,
Riiight. See today’s new sonogram law/assualt on women in Louisiana and say that again with a straight face.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:49:25pm |
re: #129 allegro
Riiight. See today’s new sonogram law/assualt on women in Louisiana and say that again with a straight face.
Bingo.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:50:29pm |
re: #114 goddamnedfrank
It’s not splitting hairs, it’s a flat out falsehood.
launching satellites ≠ exploring space, copain. falsehood my ass.
but it was a lighthearted remark, anyway.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:50:43pm |
For those interested, I posted a Newbie’s guide to female Stalkers and the other side of Sexism in the general pages of my mini blog.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:51:12pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
Using a telescope = exploring space, copain. So falsehood, yes.
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:51:17pm |
re: #120 wrenchwench
Nuh uh, no sirrr, he’s wrong!!!1!
—pretty much covers it.
Yep - looks like that’s about all he’s got.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:51:24pm |
re: #106 allegro
I happened across a mosque yesterday while driving in an area of Houston yesterday for the first time. It was absolutely stunning architecture with golden minarets. It was feast for the eyes and I appreciated its beauty, standing out as it did in a otherwise dull and rather depressed area. What happens inside is of no more concern to me than what happens inside any other church.
I remember touring rural Spain and being absolutely outraged by the towering, magnificent, gold-clad churches standing out like sore thumbs in each poor little impoverished village. Was it kind of like that?
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:52:02pm |
re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote
For those interested, I posted a Newbie’s guide to female Stalkers and the other side of Sexism in the general pages of my mini blog.
Link?
/Hi you
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:52:52pm |
re: #116 Walter L. Newton
So you’re in favor of cutting off all diplomatic ties with the Muslim world that don’t involve telling them that they’re assholes?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:52:52pm |
re: #127 Jimmah
So, Christians or Jews wishing to impose their religious views on others by making them law is just somehow different from when Islamists do it, because Islam is different.
You buying that?
No, I do not. I also think that Spencer blanks out history and political reality whenever it’s convenient for him and his scaremongering. For instance the fact that Christianity had made its way into the law of the land in almost the entire world not long ago. The Thirty Years’ War and other atrocities before the separation of church and state are a horrific testament to this. To suggest that Islam is going to overturn this institutional boundary in either Europe or the United States in the foreseeable future is ludicrous.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:53:48pm |
re: #122 Obdicut
Anyone with a telescope can participate with NASA stuff, Ace.
And The Dish is a great movie.
I think the ‘outreach’ bit was just fine, for those who aren’t picking up what i’m laying down. i think that reaching out through scientific as well as economic channels is a fine way to improve relationships across borders.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:54:34pm |
re: #133 Obdicut
Using a telescope = exploring space, copain. So falsehood, yes.
dang. technically, you’re right…and you threw the ‘buddy’ shot right back at me.
i was forced to upding you, against my better judgment/
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:55:15pm |
re: #139 Aceofwhat?
I thought you were saying the exact opposite when you said that at least the Soviets could explore space with us, Ace.
Thank you for clarifying.
Space Ace.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:55:47pm |
re: #114 goddamnedfrank
It’s not splitting hairs, it’s a flat out falsehood.
i agree now, given Obdi’s point that even a telescope is technically exploring space.
i live by the technicality…so i censure myself by the technicality…
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:55:59pm |
re: #138 000G
No, I do not. I also think that Spencer blanks out history and political reality whenever it’s convenient for him and his scaremongering. For instance the fact that Christianity had made its way into the law of the land in almost the entire world not long ago. The Thirty Years’ War and other atrocities before the separation of church and state are a horrific testament to this. To suggest that Islam is going to overturn this institutional boundary in either Europe or the United States in the foreseeable future is ludicrous.
Quoted for truth.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:56:17pm |
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 2:57:58pm |
re: #135 Spare O’Lake
I remember touring rural Spain and being absolutely outraged by the towering, magnificent, gold-clad churches standing out like sore thumbs in each poor little impoverished village. Was it kind of like that?
No, not at all. It was mostly sparkling clean with the very pretty minarets and golden dome. Beautiful windows and immaculately groomed and appointed grounds. (No, I’m not playing your Moslem hate game.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:00:10pm |
re: #59 darthstar
Here’s a tractor. I find looking at tractors helps me when I’m feeling under the weather.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:00:27pm |
re: #137 Obdicut
So you’re in favor of cutting off all diplomatic ties with the Muslim world that don’t involve telling them that they’re assholes?
LOL… you go from splitting hairs to making shit up out of nothing.
That’s my opinion above. I would like to see more progress made on cooperation with between Muslim nations an the rest of the world on political basis more than I am concerned in sharing scientific endeavors with them.
If the scientific outreach works, fine, but it’s not the way I would do it. Just because it’s my opinion, doesn’t make it wrong or right, workable or not workable, just my opinion.
Hell… ping pong turned horrible human rights abusers in China into pussycats!
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:00:33pm |
re: #135 Spare O’Lake
I remember touring rural Spain and being absolutely outraged by the towering, magnificent, gold-clad churches standing out like sore thumbs in each poor little impoverished village. Was it kind of like that?
What? Apart from the pleonasm, that’s quite a distorted picture you present of Spain. Which region were you visiting?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:00:34pm |
re: #141 Obdicut
I thought you were saying the exact opposite when you said that at least the Soviets could explore space with us, Ace.
Thank you for clarifying.
Space Ace.
i watched some of the Mars mission show over the weekend (NGeo or Discovery or something…narrated by Shatner…talking about the current state of hurdles and potential solutions) and it’s amazing how quickly the human body degenerates in zeroG.
Of course, on an elongated ship, you can set it spinning around its central axis and create artificial gravity.
Then i started to wonder if zeroG were so detrimental, would we see equally large muscle and bone gains from spending extended time in G+ situations? if the 6-month trip were spent in 1.2 Gs, would the astronauts emerge far stronger than they’d otherwise be able to achieve in normal G, even with more strenuous exercise?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:01:11pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:01:18pm |
re: #37 NJDhockeyfan
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:02:13pm |
re: #146 WindUpBird
i quite disagree. Darthstar’s was much better. shall we look again just to be sure?
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:02:17pm |
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:02:53pm |
re: #145 allegro
No, not at all. It was mostly sparkling clean with the very pretty minarets and golden dome. Beautiful windows and immaculately groomed and appointed grounds. (No, I’m not playing your Moslem hate game.)
Yeah a Mosques can be quite lovely and startling in what passes for western architecture here.
(and I’m not talking modern since I love sleek modernistic buildings and mid century modern decor, I’m talking about the boring pseudo fill-in-the-blank way we build things in the suburbs now days.)
I’ve always wanted to go to Spain to see the Moorish buildings left behind by the Muslims.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:03:38pm |
re: #127 Jimmah
So, Christians or Jews wishing to impose their religious views on others by making them law is just somehow different from when Islamists do it, because Islam is different.
You buying that?
Shariah is different in that it seeks to subjugate non-believers and women to SOME Muslim laws which are repugnant to our common law and constitution.
You buying denying that?
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:04:29pm |
re: #106 allegro
I happened across a mosque yesterday while driving in an area of Houston yesterday for the first time. It was absolutely stunning architecture with golden minarets. It was feast for the eyes and I appreciated its beauty, standing out as it did in a otherwise dull and rather depressed area. What happens inside is of no more concern to me than what happens inside any other church.
Not to tar them all, but I suspect you could not find a single jihadist terrorist that wasn’t converted in a “church”. I think you should be at least as concerned as many of us were about what was being preached in Obama’s ex church.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:04:29pm |
re: #147 Walter L. Newton
LOL… you go from splitting hairs to making shit up out of nothing.
That’s my opinion above. I would like to see more progress made on cooperation with between Muslim nations an the rest of the world on political basis more than I am concerned in sharing scientific endeavors with them.
If the scientific outreach works, fine, but it’s not the way I would do it. Just because it’s my opinion, doesn’t make it wrong or right, workable or not workable, just my opinion.
Hell… ping pong turned horrible human rights abusers in China into pussycats!
for the record, i am a wicked ping pong player and i challenge you all. Ace against the world. let’s do this.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:04:43pm |
re: #123 Spare O’Lake
Wasn’t it rather unfortunate that Bolton mischaracterized Obama’s Muslim outreach directive as being the prime NASA directive from the administration?
Also, using joint space and technological initiatives to reach out to one’s cold war enemy is hardly the same thing as the directive to use NASA to reach out to Islamic countries to make them feel good about math and science. Or is it?
I think the uh islamic guys already feel pretty good about their math contributions, just a little heads up for ya
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:05:36pm |
Spencers’s whole schtick is to claim that Islam is a uniquely contemptible religion. Only Islam has an expansionist agenda; and only Islamic fundamentalists seek to impose their religious views through law. The geniuses of the ‘anti-jihad movement’ also seem to believe that only Muslims have a taboo about pigs a belief that has been the basis of many a bigoted comment or act. Btw, this is in no way a slam on Jews - I’m just pointing out the distorted picture that these people are painting.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:06:23pm |
re: #143 Jimmah
Quoted for truth.
I’ve been highly critical of Spencer since his post “Welcome to Germany” on Jihad Watch in which he posted a picture named “finde_den_fehler.jpg” (find the mistake/error) showing a house with almost all of the apartments flying turkish flags. That was the whole post.
This was during the European Soccer Championship of 2008, and of course a lot of the ethnic Turks or turkish immigrants here in Germany who often, like any ethnic minority, live closely together, displayed their support for the turkish soccer team, which was doing rather well back then.
When it was pointed out in the comments that he did not really present a clear argument but was rather playing with xenophobic sentiments, he defended himself like this:
Of course this is a picture about soccer.So many of you seem to have missed the larger point, however: sure are a lot of fans of the Turkish team in this building. And all over Germany.
There are implications to that.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
“Implications”… I know this vague sort of “I’m just sayin’” talk that demagogues spread who want to incite but at the same time not be responsible for anything. It is the sort of threatening talk dished out by the spineless who rely on the imbecile thugs who fall prey to them to carry out their bidding.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:06:37pm |
re: #159 Jimmah
Spencer should be flipping burgers. That guy is a mental null-set. Just another pointless lying slimy racist fool speaking to other racist fools.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:06:46pm |
re: #156 Naso Tang
I think you should be at least as concerned as many of us were about what was being preached in Obama’s ex church.
I was not concerned at all about what was being preached in Obama’s ex-church. I will not assume that jihad is being planned in every mosque I see either.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:07:27pm |
re: #152 Aceofwhat?
i quite disagree. Darthstar’s was much better. shall we look again just to be sure?
My problem is that WUP is clearly objectifying the Spike-Wheeled Tractor of Doom.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:07:30pm |
re: #156 Naso Tang
Not to tar them all, but I suspect you could not find a single jihadist terrorist that wasn’t converted in a “church”. I think you should be at least as concerned as many of us were about what was being preached in Obama’s ex church.
haha election was 2 years ago, those talking points are so stale you could use them as doorstops
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:07:56pm |
re: #163 Nimed
My problem is that WUP is clearly objectifying the Spike-Wheeled Tractor of Doom.
It is true. I’m having an affair.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:08:45pm |
re: #159 Jimmah
Spencers’s whole schtick is to claim that Islam is a uniquely contemptible religion. Only Islam has an expansionist agenda; and only Islamic fundamentalists seek to impose their religious views through law. The geniuses of the ‘anti-jihad movement’ also seem to believe that only Muslims have a taboo about pigs a belief that has been the basis of many a bigoted comment or act. Btw, this is in no way a slam on Jews - I’m just pointing out the distorted picture that these people are painting.
I think it was one of the fine Jewish folks here who said, a few weeks/months back, that Islam needs an Enlightenment rather than a Reformation, strictly speaking, to help it join the rest of the major religions for a big bowl of calmthefuckdown soup.
Other than that, every religion has some really weird stuff when taken out of context.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:08:58pm |
I see Spencer has posted his speech to the Sweden Democrats. I suspect it’s not worth watching. Probably his usual shtick.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:09:28pm |
re: #156 Naso Tang
Not to tar them all, but I suspect you could not find a single jihadist terrorist that wasn’t converted in a “church”. I think you should be at least as concerned as many of us were about what was being preached in Obama’s ex church.
Yeah…Christianity freaks me out too.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:10:11pm |
re: #158 WindUpBird
I think the uh islamic guys already feel pretty good about their math contributions, just a little heads up for ya
Eh…they’re the creationists of the world stage. Sure, there are bright people in every nation and of every religion, but too many Muslim theocracies are stuck in Texas mode.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:10:15pm |
re: #161 WindUpBird
Spencer should be flipping burgers. That guy is a mental null-set. Just another pointless lying slimy racist fool speaking to other racist fools.
And how do you mean that? He emails me occasionally.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:10:15pm |
re: #159 Jimmah
Spencers’s whole schtick is to claim that Islam is a uniquely contemptible religion. Only Islam has an expansionist agenda; and only Islamic fundamentalists seek to impose their religious views through law. The geniuses of the ‘anti-jihad movement’ also seem to believe that only Muslims have a taboo about pigs a belief that has been the basis of many a bigoted comment or act. Btw, this is in no way a slam on Jews - I’m just pointing out the distorted picture that these people are painting.
Cretins like Spencer make it difficult to discuss the very real problems that exist within Islam.
Lefties have a tendency to draw false parallels between abandoned or antithetical practices in Christianity and Judaism from ages past, with very real modern practices of Islam today.
I am not going to attempt to paint all of Islam with one brush. To do so would be as ignorant as painting Irish Catholics with the same brush in all things as Russian Orthodox. However, to ignore the stoning, the misogyny, the murder of gays or the support of suicide bombing and Jihad in the “kill infidels” sense of the word, is just flabbergastingly wrong.
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:10:21pm |
re: #155 Spare O’Lake
Shariah is different in that it seeks to subjugate non-believers and women to SOME Muslim laws which are repugnant to our common law and constitution.
You
buyingdenying that?
Christian dominionists have similar goals, and a much better chance of acheiving them in the USA than muslims ever will. Are you going to deny that?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:10:41pm |
re: #168 darthstar
Yeah…Christianity freaks me out too.
BE AFRAID OF THE DARK MAN IN HIS DARK CHURCH FULL OF BLOOD TUNNELS AND THE GRAVEN IMAGE OF NURGLE HRGLNLGRGHBLTGHBLRGHB ONE GREAT EYE MERGED THEY WILL SWEEP ACROSS THE LAND ALL HAIL THE EVIL ONE
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:11:18pm |
re: #162 allegro
I was not concerned at all about what was being preached in Obama’s ex-church. I will not assume that jihad is being planned in every mosque I see either.
On the former; you say were not concerned with blatant racism, on the latter, I didn’t say that, but you don’t seem to care that it happens with depressing frequency.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:11:25pm |
re: #172 Jimmah
Christian dominionists have similar goals, and a much better chance of acheiving them in the USA than muslims ever will. Are you going to deny that?
neither has a snowball’s chance in hell.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:11:31pm |
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:11:44pm |
re: #169 Aceofwhat?
Sure, there are bright people in every nation and of every religion, but too many Muslim theocracies are stuck in Texas mode.
I’d lay a whoop ass downding on ya for the Texas comment… ‘cept it’s too close to truth.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:11:57pm |
re: #173 WindUpBird
BE AFRAID OF THE DARK MAN IN HIS DARK CHURCH FULL OF BLOOD TUNNELS AND THE GRAVEN IMAGE OF NURGLE HRGLNLGRGHBLTGHBLRGHB ONE GREAT EYE MERGED THEY WILL SWEEP ACROSS THE LAND ALL HAIL THE EVIL ONE
A Lovecraft moment?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:12:05pm |
re: #170 Walter L. Newton
And how do you mean that? He emails me occasionally.
Well, he’s an idiot, and he says repellent and disgusting things that would not be out of place at a Klan rally. If you believe the insane things he says about Islam, you are an idiot. If you don’t, you’re not! Simple as that.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:12:13pm |
The ten accused Russian spies have pleaded guilty, and are going to be exchanged with four people being currently jailed in Russia in what is being described as the biggest spy-swap since the end of the Cold War:
Russian Agents Plead Guilty in U.S., Will Be Expelled Under Prisoner Swap
Part of the deal was that the ten had to forfeit all US assets before leaving, which included multiple houses, several cars, two businesses and an undisclosed amount of cash.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:12:59pm |
re: #156 Naso Tang
Not to tar them all, but I suspect you could not find a single jihadist terrorist that wasn’t converted in a “church”. I think you should be at least as concerned as many of us were about what was being preached in Obama’s ex church.
I think a lot of jihadis are radicalized on the internet. I guess we should be at least as concerned about what everybody is looking at.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:13:23pm |
re: #88 Walter L. Newton
I already made it. So, Stewart and I don’t agree. That ok with you? Guess what Obdi, i don’t agree with you or Stewart, so…
Of course you wouldn’t. After all, Stewart is pointing out the utter hypocrisy here of the GOP types when it comes to promoting their religious agenda but hating on another.
That is so wrong to do!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:13:28pm |
re: #177 allegro
I’d lay a whoop ass downding on ya for the Texas comment… ‘cept it’s too close to truth.
heh.
the difference is that you’ll come back around again in a few. Yemen, on the other hand…eh…that’s a little darker.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:13:35pm |
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:13:42pm |
re: #168 darthstar
Yeah…Christianity freaks me out too.
I see, so you thought Obama listening to Wright for 20 years was just a little indiscretion to be set aside in case it sounds like Christian bashing?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:13:44pm |
re: #181 wrenchwench
I think a lot of jihadis are radicalized on the internet. I guess we should be at least as concerned about what everybody is looking at.
chicks
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:14:12pm |
re: #172 Jimmah
Christian dominionists have similar goals, and a much better chance of acheiving them in the USA than muslims ever will. Are you going to deny that?
if there’s ever a “taliban” here, it’s going to be wearing crosses and hanging out in churches. Right after they get back from telling Ugandans to press queers between stones
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:14:25pm |
re: #179 WindUpBird
Well, he’s an idiot, and he says repellent and disgusting things that would not be out of place at a Klan rally. If you believe the insane things he says about Islam, you are an idiot. If you don’t, you’re not! Simple as that.
No… you said “Just another pointless lying slimy racist fool speaking to other racist fools.” He emails me occasionally, mainly to jeer about Charles and LGF or some point he wants to rub in my nose… he is speaking to me… but I am not a racist fool.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:14:30pm |
re: #145 allegro
No, not at all. It was mostly sparkling clean with the very pretty minarets and golden dome. Beautiful windows and immaculately groomed and appointed grounds. (No, I’m not playing your Moslem hate game.)
Is it easier to simply call someone names than to discuss issues?
Your admiration of huge, imposing houses of worship as neighbourhood beautification projects strikes me as an outdated and elitist concept, better suited to a religious zealot than to an anti-idiotarian lizard.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:14:31pm |
re: #174 Naso Tang
On the former; you say were not concerned with blatant racism, on the latter, I didn’t say that, but you don’t seem to care that it happens with depressing frequency.
Blatant racism? Now that’s pretty funny. What I saw was a black man preaching to a roomful of black congregants who have experienced real institutional racism their whole lives and are a mite peeved over it. I can dig that. As a woman who has experienced a lifetime of institutional sexism, I can relate.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:15:10pm |
re: #180 RadicalModerate
The ten accused Russian spies have pleaded guilty, and are going to be exchanged with four people being currently jailed in Russia in what is being described as the biggest spy-swap since the end of the Cold War:
Russian Agents Plead Guilty in U.S., Will Be Expelled Under Prisoner Swap
Part of the deal was that the ten had to forfeit all US assets before leaving, which included multiple houses, several cars, two businesses and an undisclosed amount of cash.
seems fine to me. my toy chihuahua was as close to getting sensitive information as these ten yahoos…
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:15:13pm |
re: #185 Naso Tang
I see, so you thought Obama listening to Wright for 20 years was just a little indiscretion to be set aside in case it sounds like Christian bashing?
If you think Obama has been brainwashed into a radical by Rev. Wright then you haven’t been paying attention.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:15:16pm |
re: #185 Naso Tang
I see, so you thought Obama listening to Wright for 20 years was just a little indiscretion to be set aside in case it sounds like Christian bashing?
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:15:48pm |
re: #181 wrenchwench
I think a lot of jihadis are radicalized on the internet. I guess we should be at least as concerned about what everybody is looking at.
OK, be at least as concerned about that, as long as you can be concerned with more than one aspect at a time. Many people seem not able to do that.
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:15:50pm |
re: #171 LudwigVanQuixote
Cretins like Spencer make it difficult to discuss the very real problems that exist within Islam.
Lefties have a tendency to draw false parallels between abandoned or antithetical practices in Christianity and Judaism from ages past, with very real modern practices of Islam today.
I am not going to attempt to paint all of Islam with one brush. To do so would be as ignorant as painting Irish Catholics with the same brush in all things as Russian Orthodox. However, to ignore the stoning, the misogyny, the murder of gays or the support of suicide bombing and Jihad in the “kill infidels” sense of the word, is just flabbergastingly wrong.
Yep - Islamic fundamentalists are dripping with misogyny and a hatred for all things secular. I detest them. But we shouldn’t characterise all of Islam as being represented by the goals of it’s most foaming at the mouth fundies any more than we should characterise all christians or Jews by their worst.
All bigots characterise entire groups by the opinions and actions of their worst individuals - and that is Spencers shtick down to a tee.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:15:53pm |
re: #188 Walter L. Newton
No… you said “Just another pointless lying slimy racist fool speaking to other racist fools.” He emails me occasionally, mainly to jeer about Charles and LGF or some point he wants to rub in my nose… he is speaking to me… but I am not a racist fool.
i don’t think that’s what he meant. but you know that…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:15:56pm |
re: #189 Spare O’Lake
Is it easier to simply call someone names than to discuss issues?
Your admiration of huge, imposing houses of worship as neighbourhood beautification projects strikes me as an outdated and elitist concept, better suited to a religious zealot than to an anti-idiotarian lizard.
You don’t discuss issues, you bait people and toss around crypto-bigotry. You’re cracked.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:16:17pm |
Aside from his epic Beck routine, this may be one of the best Jon Stewart clips I’ve seen yet. Frikkin’ brilliant!
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:16:47pm |
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:16:56pm |
CNN just showed the new SarahPAC “Mama Grizzly” video.
If that wasn’t a campaign video, I’m the uncrowned Prince of Monaco.
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zora Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:17:08pm |
re: #156 Naso Tang
what’s funny about the whole church thing is that there was an actual former preacher in the primaries and we did not hear one of his sermons. weird, huh.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:17:10pm |
re: #185 Naso Tang
I see, so you thought Obama listening to Wright for 20 years was just a little indiscretion to be set aside in case it sounds like Christian bashing?
without passing judgment on the content, that was damn funny.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:17:38pm |
re: #188 Walter L. Newton
No… you said “Just another pointless lying slimy racist fool speaking to other racist fools.” He emails me occasionally, mainly to jeer about Charles and LGF or some point he wants to rub in my nose… he is speaking to me… but I am not a racist fool.
You know what I mean :)
Just like I’m not suddenly a Palin supporter if she came to downtown Portland and I happened to get an earful as I walked by
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:17:39pm |
re: #166 Aceofwhat?
I think it was one of the fine Jewish folks here who said, a few weeks/months back, that Islam needs an Enlightenment rather than a Reformation, strictly speaking, to help it join the rest of the major religions for a big bowl of calmthefuckdown soup.
Yep. I would add though that the American religious right could do with one too.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:17:39pm |
re: #190 allegro
Blatant racism? Now that’s pretty funny. What I saw was a black man preaching to a roomful of black congregants who have experienced real institutional racism their whole lives and are a mite peeved over it. I can dig that. As a woman who has experienced a lifetime of institutional sexism, I can relate.
Bullshit. That same man now lives in a 10 bedroom multi million dollar mansion.
What you dig is just apologism.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:17:52pm |
re: #188 Walter L. Newton
No… you said “Just another pointless lying slimy racist fool speaking to other racist fools.” He emails me occasionally, mainly to jeer about Charles and LGF or some point he wants to rub in my nose… he is speaking to me… but I am not a racist fool.
Right, you’re a garden variety fool.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:18:06pm |
re: #148 Nimed
What? Apart from the pleonasm, that’s quite a distorted picture you present of Spain. Which region were you visiting?
It was in the early ’70s when I was backpacking, hitch-hiking either from San Sebastian to Madrid or from Madrid to the Meditarranean coast.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:18:29pm |
re: #203 WindUpBird
You know what I mean :)
Just like I’m not suddenly a Palin supporter if she came to downtown Portland and I happened to get an earful as I walked by
Oh heavens WUP… please… TMI… I don’t want to know what you are sticking in your ear :)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:19:07pm |
re: #185 Naso Tang
I see, so you thought Obama listening to Wright for 20 years was just a little indiscretion to be set aside in case it sounds like Christian bashing?
Can you elaborate on that?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:19:20pm |
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:20:12pm |
re: #200 RadicalModerate
CNN just showed the new SarahPAC “Mama Grizzly” video.
If that wasn’t a campaign video, I’m the uncrowned Prince of Monaco.
“Mama Grizzly”
hate her.
so. much.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:20:15pm |
re: #210 webevintage
We’re talking about Rev. Wright…again?
Someone left the GOP Turing Test hooked up to LGF :D
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:20:27pm |
re: #172 Jimmah
Christian dominionists have similar goals, and a much better chance of acheiving them in the USA than muslims ever will. Are you going to deny that?
An equal pox on all religious extremists.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:21:17pm |
re: #191 Aceofwhat?
seems fine to me. my toy chihuahua was as close to getting sensitive information as these ten yahoos…
The part that I found rather interesting was the charges that they plead to - not registering to the authorities as a foreign agent. So, its apparently ok to be a spy, as long as you tell the authorities.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:21:29pm |
re: #212 webevintage
“Mama Grizzly”
hate her.
so. much.
GRIZZLECUDA!
She’s got fins! And suckers! And many teeth! And eight arms! And a smart haircut! Yeah you betcha she’ll swim through the deepest reaches and then lunge for the surface to swallow liberals whole from their pleasant LA beach communities!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:21:38pm |
re: #204 Jimmah
Yep. I would add though that the American religious right could do with one too.
a minor reprise, yes. although i think what they’ll get instead is a gradual influx of youth. younger Christians, minus the few who go to batty religious colleges, tend to be more reasonable on a wide spread of issues than the older crowd.
we’ll be fine. our closets have some skeletons, but no kings who started their own national religions in a hissy fit because the existing church wouldn’t give them an annulment.
(ZAP! POW! WHAM!)
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:21:52pm |
re: #207 Spare O’Lake
It was in the early ’70s when I was backpacking, hitch-hiking either from San Sebastian to Madrid or from Madrid to the Meditarranean coast.
Many of those churches date from a time when Spain was the richest nation in Europe, swimming in gold “re-purposed” from New World pagan temples.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:22:34pm |
re: #147 Walter L. Newton
I would like to see more progress made on cooperation with between Muslim nations an the rest of the world on political basis more than I am concerned in sharing scientific endeavors with them.
Sharing scientific endeavors is cooperation on a political basis, and, as Reagan well knew, it’s one of the most neutral and accessible ways to do it.
Listen to the Gipper; he had some canniness to him.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:22:34pm |
re: #205 Naso Tang
Bullshit. That same man now lives in a 10 bedroom multi million dollar mansion.
What you dig is just apologism.
Where and how he lives does not negate the message which you fail to address. What I dig is not within your skill set.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:22:35pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:23:03pm |
re: #205 Naso Tang
Bullshit. That same man now lives in a 10 bedroom multi million dollar mansion.
What you dig is just apologism.
Black people don’t get nice things, got it
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:23:07pm |
re: #204 Jimmah
That’s exactly right, Jimmah, so why should we give Islam a pass just because of the extremist Christians?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:23:29pm |
re: #215 RadicalModerate
The part that I found rather interesting was the charges that they plead to - not registering to the authorities as a foreign agent. So, its apparently ok to be a spy, as long as you tell the authorities.
Washington is full of lobbyists registered as foreign agents. Many are in prestigious law and publicity firms.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:23:31pm |
re: #212 webevintage
“Mama Grizzly”
hate her.
so. much.
After losing the presidential election with McCain, and facing having to go back to a governorship she was unqualified to handle, I think Sarah Palin woke up and thought to herself, How can I make my life more empty and meaningless than it already is? Then Fox called.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:23:36pm |
Dang. News is breaking left and right.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:23:52pm |
I mean, a black guy? In a mansion? What’s up with that?
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:24:17pm |
re: #210 webevintage
We’re talking about Rev. Wright…again?
Some people like to forget unpleasant issues.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:24:17pm |
re: #220 Obdicut
Sharing scientific endeavors is cooperation on a political basis, and, as Reagan well knew, it’s one of the most neutral and accessible ways to do it.
Listen to the Gipper; he had some canniness to him.
yep. politics doesn’t create peace; codependency creates peace.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:24:18pm |
re: #224 Spare O’Lake
That’s exactly right, Jimmah, so why should we give Islam a pass just because of the extremist Christians?
Last I heard Islam did not have a hold on a major political party in America
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:24:50pm |
re: #229 Naso Tang
Some people like to forget unpleasant issues.
While others desperately grab onto nothing in the hope that it might have meaning.
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zora Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:24:59pm |
re: #219 Naso Tang
huckabee. how many of his sermons did you see on fox news? he was a southern baptist minister.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:25:07pm |
re: #222 WindUpBird
I [[[HEART]]] HUCAKBEE
That’s what occurred to me, but I have heard him preach, indirectly, many times.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:25:11pm |
re: #224 Spare O’Lake
That’s exactly right, Jimmah, so why should we give Islam a pass just because of the extremist Christians?
he didn’t say we should. i thought his reply to lvq was spot on.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:25:19pm |
re: #197 WindUpBird
You don’t discuss issues, you bait people and toss around crypto-bigotry. You’re cracked.
I guess I’m too rad for you, eh?
Bigoted my ass.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:25:46pm |
re: #233 darthstar
While others desperately grab onto nothing in the hope that it might have meaning.
You make my point very well. Thank you.
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:25:53pm |
re: #234 zora
huckabee. how many of his sermons did you see on fox news? he was a southern baptist minister.
The Huckster was smart enough to stop preaching before the youtube began….
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:25:57pm |
Dinner time for me-catch you all later.
Barack Obama On The Importance Of A Secular Government
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:26:02pm |
re: #233 darthstar
While others desperately grab onto nothing in the hope that it might have meaning.
I heard there’s like a secret tunnel where all the rich scheming black preachers sneak into the white house and they secretly run Obama’s presidency, they’re totally going to paint the white house black
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:26:29pm |
re: #238 Naso Tang
You make my point very well. Thank you.
Even Sarah Palin gave up on the Rev. Wright argument after a while. Why do you cling to it?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:27:06pm |
re: #232 Obdicut
Cathedrals are really gorgeous.
i am man enough to say that i got choked up the first time i set foot in Notre Dame Cathedral. caught me by surprise, too, as i’m not Catholic and don’t hold much significance in physical constructs. but that place is something else.
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Jimmah Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:27:30pm |
re: #224 Spare O’Lake
That’s exactly right, Jimmah, so why should we give Islam a pass just because of the extremist Christians?
Didn’t know that was what we were doing. Should we listen to Robert Spencer?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:27:34pm |
re: #195 Jimmah
Yep - Islamic fundamentalists are dripping with misogyny and a hatred for all things secular. I detest them. But we shouldn’t characterise all of Islam as being represented by the goals of it’s most foaming at the mouth fundies any more than we should characterise all christians or Jews by their worst.
All bigots characterise entire groups by the opinions and actions of their worst individuals - and that is Spencers shtick down to a tee.
And I absolutely agree with that - except it misses in magnitude of how bad it is and scale of adherents to those extreme views. What we would like to lable as extreme is common enough in the Middle East to not be so extreme.
There are to the best of my knowledge no Christian or Jewish decapitation porn videos for example. No Christians or Jews dance in the streets after a successful martyrdom operation. I could make a longer list. But the point is that Islam as practiced as a religion today by a vastly higher percentage of extremists, is on the whole, substantially more violent and backwards than either Christianity or Judaism. There is really no way around it.
That does not mean that educated and decent Muslims do not exist. Of course there are millions of educated and decent Muslims. However, it is foolish to pretend that only a small minority, at its worst, is the problem.
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:27:44pm |
re: #229 Naso Tang
Some people like to forget unpleasant issues.
Ayers!!!!
Wright!!!!
Alinsky!!!
Soros!!!!
Fucking magnets. How do they work?!!!!!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:27:57pm |
re: #242 darthstar
Even Sarah Palin gave up on the Rev. Wright argument after a while. Why do you cling to it?
Well, he managed to make a deal with the Libyans, so he had access to all this plutonium and then ge got ahold of a DeLorean, see, and then the…
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:01pm |
re: #243 Aceofwhat?
To me, an atheist, they are simply a testament to how amazingly fucking good we are at engineering and aesthetics.
But that ‘simply’ is an astounding thing.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:10pm |
re: #223 WindUpBird
Black people don’t get nice things, got it
You don’t get it. A man who makes it to the top by playing on the same crap that this Spencer guy does, and to you it can’t be criticized because only whites can be racists? That’s what it sounds like you are saying.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:33pm |
Nothing must be going on in the world right now, since we seem to be stuck on all things past tense.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:34pm |
re: #241 WindUpBird
I heard there’s like a secret tunnel where all the rich scheming black preachers sneak into the white house and they secretly run Obama’s presidency, they’re totally going to paint the white house black
That’s why I’m voting for Barbara Streisand…she’d paint it yellow.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:37pm |
re: #243 Aceofwhat?
i am man enough to say that i got choked up the first time i set foot in Notre Dame Cathedral. caught me by surprise, too, as i’m not Catholic and don’t hold much significance in physical constructs. but that place is something else.
That’s what you’re supposed to feel. Those guys knew their business.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:39pm |
re: #250 Naso Tang
You seriously are saying Obama plays on the same crap as Spencer? Seriously?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:41pm |
re: #247 webevintage
Ayers!!!
Wright!!!
Alinsky!!!
Soros!!!
Fucking magnets. How do they work?!!!
I’M A CONSERVATIVE BABY BOOMER AND MY PENIS HURTS!
WEH!
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zora Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:48pm |
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:28:49pm |
re: #242 darthstar
Even Sarah Palin gave up on the Rev. Wright argument after a while. Why do you cling to it?
Because it was relevant in the context of a comment I responded to.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:29:59pm |
re: #218 Decatur Deb
Many of those churches date from a time when Spain was the richest nation in Europe, swimming in gold “re-purposed” from New World pagan temples.
As a young, leftist, idealist, those images really made a powerful impression on me. The juxtaposition of the Chuch’s wealth upon the peasant villages was breathtakingly disturbing.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:30:09pm |
re: #234 zora
huckabee. how many of his sermons did you see on fox news? he was a southern baptist minister.
wtf are you talking about? his sermons are all over the interweb. it’s as easy as looking up the weather.
here this took me 15 seconds. run and play now.
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:30:45pm |
re: #250 Naso Tang
You don’t get it. A man who makes it to the top by playing on the same crap that this Spencer guy does, and to you it can’t be criticized because only whites can be racists? That’s what it sounds like you are saying.
I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear you over the sound of Steve Jobs unveiling the brand new Macbook Air
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:30:55pm |
Wouldn’t it be great if Michelle got pregnant and had a baby in the White House? Of course the loons would ask for a birther announcement.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:31:36pm |
re: #246 LudwigVanQuixote
And I absolutely agree with that - except it misses in magnitude of how bad it is and scale of adherents to those extreme views. What we would like to lable as extreme is common enough in the Middle East to not be so extreme.
There are to the best of my knowledge no Christian or Jewish decapitation porn videos for example. No Christians or Jews dance in the streets after a successful martyrdom operation. I could make a longer list. But the point is that Islam as practiced as a religion today by a vastly higher percentage of extremists, is on the whole, substantially more violent and backwards than either Christianity or Judaism. There is really no way around it.
That does not mean that educated and decent Muslims do not exist. Of course there are millions of educated and decent Muslims. However, it is foolish to pretend that only a small minority, at its worst, is the problem.
No matter what we do, don’t, don’t care to, won’t care to, couldn’t give two shits… what ever… this is the first thing I can agree 100 percent with Ludwig on… and it’s spot on and is 100 percent correct.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:31:38pm |
re: #254 Obdicut
You seriously are saying Obama plays on the same crap as Spencer? Seriously?
Good grief. Talk about going off on tangents.
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:31:54pm |
re: #256 zora
[Link: motherjones.com…]
Huckabee Hides His Full Gospel?
“When asked for copies of the sermons Huckabee delivered at Immanuel Church, an employee there claimed none could be found. A Beech Street Church pastor’s assistant maintained that much of the archival material from Huckabee’s tenure as pastor had been destroyed during a remodeling. The rest, she said, was not available to the press. “
hahahahahaha
Yeah….
(and I’m laughing because one of the last things Huck-a-Buck did before he left the Gov.’s office was have the hard drives on all the computers in his office destroyed. But he did get car registration online/by mail so you don’t have to do it at the DMV anymore….)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:32:03pm |
re: #243 Aceofwhat?
i am man enough to say that i got choked up the first time i set foot in Notre Dame Cathedral. caught me by surprise, too, as i’m not Catholic and don’t hold much significance in physical constructs. but that place is something else.
Notre Dame and the Montmarte. They were both just unreal. Bath Abbey too.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:32:27pm |
re: #265 Naso Tang
Good grief. Talk about going off on tangents.
How is that a tangent, dude? Isn’t that what you just said?
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zora Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:32:27pm |
re: #259 Aceofwhat?
i’m talking about mining through years of sermons to pick out controversial or bombasting statements to run over and over again. if that happened to huckabee on fox news, i missed it.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:32:44pm |
re: #263 Irenicum
Wouldn’t it be great if Michelle got pregnant and had a baby in the White House? Of course the loons would ask for a birther announcement.
There would be an immediate outcry of Michelle just pretending and that it was really Malia’s baby.//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:32:49pm |
re: #265 Naso Tang
Good grief. Talk about going off on tangents.
A man who makes it to the top by playing on the same crap that this Spencer guy does,
So are you like that memento guy, with 5 minutes of short term memory before you forget who teddy is
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:32:55pm |
re: #258 Spare O’Lake
As a young, leftist, idealist, those images really made a powerful impression on me. The juxtaposition of the Chuch’s wealth upon the peasant villages was breathtakingly disturbing.
I enjoyed a couple trips to St. Peter’s, but I saw it as the building that helped kill Christendom. (Watch out for the pay elevator to the dome—it only goes to the major roof below the drum.)
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:32:57pm |
re: #231 WindUpBird
Last I heard Islam did not have a hold on a major political party in America
True, but no religion should get special treatment, regardless of the extent of their political power.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:33:13pm |
re: #268 Obdicut
How is that a tangent, dude? Isn’t that what you just said?
Are we in a Monty Python sketch? :D
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:33:27pm |
re: #267 WindUpBird
Notre Dame and the Montmarte. They were both just unreal. Bath Abbey too.
You mean the Sacre Coeur on Montmartre.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:33:43pm |
re: #249 Obdicut
To me, an atheist, they are simply a testament to how amazingly fucking good we are at engineering and aesthetics.
But that ‘simply’ is an astounding thing.
agreed. i celebrate when i put a light switch cover on straight. i am practically handicapped when it comes to building things, so i marvel at what others have built.
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:33:45pm |
re: #270 allegro
There would be an immediate outcry of Michelle just pretending and that it was really Malia’s baby.//
Sully would be all over the story…
(and as much as I hate the Palin even I don’t care if she gave birth to the kid or not.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:33:47pm |
re: #273 Spare O’Lake
True, but no religion should get special treatment, regardless of the extent of their political power.
You sure seem bound and determined to give Islam “special” treatment
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:34:27pm |
re: #274 WindUpBird
No, it’s an Abbot and Costello skit. Who’s on first.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:34:45pm |
re: #276 Walter L. Newton
You mean the Sacre Coeur on Montmartre.
yes, that :D
(not so good with remembering the churches, I’m more of an art museum guy)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:34:47pm |
re: #261 Obdicut
What was Zora’s question, Ace?
why can’t we find huckabee’s sermons anywhere, and why weren’t they available before the election, etc.
silly stuff.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:35:20pm |
re: #269 zora
i’m talking about mining through years of sermons to pick out controversial or bombasting statements to run over and over again. if that happened to huckabee on fox news, i missed it.
Well, he was WHITE!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:35:51pm |
Hey, I just noticed that we passed 8,500,000 comments today.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:35:56pm |
re: #248 WindUpBird
Well, he managed to make a deal with the Libyans, so he had access to all this plutonium and then ge got ahold of a DeLorean, see, and then the…
Do you have a computer program that writes these inane posts for you? Are you a computer program?
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webevintage Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:36:18pm |
Hmmmmmmm
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]
The OMB has dug into the CBO’s projections for the Affordable Care Act, and they’re pretty pleased with what they see. I’m going to quote the analysis, but if you just want to read one line, the ACA wipes out about a quarter to a third of our long-term deficit — and that’s in the nasty scenario, where we continue things like the Bush tax cuts and the Medicare doc fixes.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:36:30pm |
re: #285 Charles
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:36:45pm |
re: #281 WindUpBird
yes, that :D
(not so good with remembering the churches, I’m more of an art museum guy)
The girlfriend and I should be all over Paris in Jan. She’s never been there. This will be my seventh time.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:37:05pm |
re: #268 Obdicut
How is that a tangent, dude? Isn’t that what you just said?
No it isn’t. Backtrack if you want to to cure your pedantic tendencies.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:37:09pm |
re: #269 zora
i’m talking about mining through years of sermons to pick out controversial or bombasting statements to run over and over again. if that happened to huckabee on fox news, i missed it.
now, now. what you said was
what’s funny about the whole church thing is that there was an actual former preacher in the primaries and we did not hear one of his sermons.
if what you meant was what you wrote above, fine. i can only respond to what you said, though. if you didn’t hear one of his sermons, it’s because you didn’t want to.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:37:14pm |
re: #286 Naso Tang
Do you have a computer program that writes these inane posts for you? Are you a computer program?
You just recycled my joke in #213, only without the humor, well done
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:37:33pm |
re: #246 LudwigVanQuixote
That’s a very good point Ludwig. One that the left typically doesn’t seem to want to acknowledge.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:37:56pm |
re: #285 Charles
Hey, I just noticed that we passed 8,500,000 comments today.
I just hope it wasn’t one of the hundreds of “I know you are, but what am I?” comments from the recent flame-wars.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:38:27pm |
re: #290 Naso Tang
No it isn’t. Backtrack if you want to to cure your pedantic tendencies.
Your splitting hairs calling Obdicut pedantic :)
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:38:43pm |
re: #285 Charles
Hey, I just noticed that we passed 8,500,000 comments today.
No wonder people are complaining about bringing up the past. They fear we are running out of posts.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:38:58pm |
re: #294 darthstar
I just hope it wasn’t one of the hundreds of “I know you are, but what am I?” comments from the recent flame-wars.
go screw yourself/
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:39:17pm |
re: #296 Walter L. Newton
Your splitting hairs calling Obdicut pedantic :)
Come on, boys…Walter’s feeling left out.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:39:32pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:40:00pm |
re: #285 Charles
Hey, I just noticed that we passed 8,500,000 comments today.
that doesn’t make any sense. i have it on very poor authority that this blog is, like, toootally dead/
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:40:15pm |
re: #292 WindUpBird
You just recycled my joke in #213, only without the humor, well done
You flatter yourself, thinking I read everything you post.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:41:11pm |
re: #299 darthstar
Come on, boys…Walter’s feeling left out.
Er… not really… but if that helped you by saying that.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:41:21pm |
re: #285 Charles
Hey, I just noticed that we passed 8,500,000 comments today.
LIES!!!
Blog scholars have proof that LGF cannot be older than 6000 posts!
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:41:47pm |
re: #301 Aceofwhat?
that doesn’t make any sense. i have it on very poor authority that this blog is, like, toootally dead/
If it weren’t for YL’s contributions, we’d have no traffic to speak of.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:42:15pm |
re: #294 darthstar
My joke the other day of posting “How ‘bout dem Mets” eliciting an avalanche of F**k you posts, and then an equal torrent of f**k you responses, seems to have become the reality. Sad.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:43:45pm |
re: #291 Aceofwhat?
now, now. what you said was
what’s funny about the whole church thing is that there was an actual former preacher in the primaries and we did not hear one of his sermons.
if what you meant was what you wrote above, fine. i can only respond to what you said, though. if you didn’t hear one of his sermons, it’s because you didn’t want to.
at the risk of dredging up weak-sauce from the 2008 election that Naso Tang still clings to as if it were his blankie:
The point was is that the media was motivated, highly motivated, to comb through everything Wright ever did like they were looking for the Crystal Skull, twenty years of video tapes, anything to bring down Obama, anythign to sell advertising, any shred of rhetoric that could be used to scare and exploit the Christ out of white America. An angry black man connected to a black candidate? That is mainstream media gold for an election year. That’s a glittering pyramid of platinum.
Huckabee, on the other hand, never had to endure any such scrutiny, despite being a preacher himself. Because hey! Good old boy network. We know he’s square! Nothing suspicious about that guy!
Why is that? Why was Wright so much more scrutinized than any of the many crazyass preachers who have been attached to Republican candidates for decades? Why was he so much more scrutinized than an actual preacher *candidate*? An actual preacher, who I might add, has bonkers-radical outside the mainstream ideas?
There’s something on the tip of my tounge and it starts with R.
RRrrrrr…rrrr.r…rrrrr…can’t think of it….not quite there…
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:44:05pm |
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:44:25pm |
Oh, no. “#LGF” on twitter is now “Lil Ghetto Facts”. Time to unfollow the hashtag….
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:44:58pm |
re: #246 LudwigVanQuixote
I would agree with you, but then you would accuse me of showing hatred for religion.//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:45:19pm |
re: #306 Irenicum
My joke the other day of posting “How ‘bout dem Mets” eliciting an avalanche of F**k you posts, and then an equal torrent of f**k you responses, seems to have become the reality. Sad.
The mets are a football squadron, right?
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:46:04pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:46:38pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:47:35pm |
re: #309 wrenchwench
Oh, no. “#LGF” on twitter is now “Lil Ghetto Facts”. Time to unfollow the hashtag…
What?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:48:51pm |
re: #314 reine.de.tout
What?
hashtags are not exactly a regulated body on Twitter. :D Anyone can use them
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:48:55pm |
re: #285 Charles
Hey, I just noticed that we passed 8,500,000 comments today.
Rock on! Whose was it?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:49:19pm |
Ha! Elena Kagan has been endorsed for the Supreme Court by none other than 2 Live Crew…(why? you ask?)
In 1989, Elena Kagan filed an amicus brief arguing that 2 Live Crew’s album, As Nasty As They Wanna Be, which had been banned by a federal judge because of its sexual content, wasn’t obscene in part because no one could possibly be aroused by it. “Nasty does not physically excite anyone who hears it,” Kagan wrote, “much less arouse a shameful and morbid sexual response.” A higher court ultimately overturned the ban.
First SCOTUS ever endorsed by a rap group…History! Go Kagan!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:50:36pm |
re: #307 WindUpBird
at the risk of dredging up weak-sauce from the 2008 election that Naso Tang still clings to as if it were his blankie:
The point was is that the media was motivated, highly motivated, to comb through everything Wright ever did like they were looking for the Crystal Skull, twenty years of video tapes, anything to bring down Obama,
right. it was the media. they’re ALL right-wing conspirators.
9_9
This post is brought to you by Occam’s Razor…remember, kids, if there wasn’t anything horrific brought to light in Huckabee’s sermons…it’s probably because he didn’t say anything horrific!
Occam’s Razor…it’s not for shaving!
(sorry, WUB…haven’t had the chance to get salty with you in a while…just enjoying myself)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:50:39pm |
re: #317 darthstar
Ha! Elena Kagan has been endorsed for the Supreme Court by none other than 2 Live Crew…(why? you ask?)
First SCOTUS ever endorsed by a rap group…History! Go Kagan!
The fucking end of civilization as we know it.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:51:32pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:51:51pm |
re: #311 WindUpBird
The mets are a football squadron, right?
Remind me to have Stanley Sea disinvite you from our college football pages this fall;)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:52:17pm |
re: #315 WindUpBird
hashtags are not exactly a regulated body on Twitter. :D Anyone can use them
Well, I know that.
but I think it’s odd someone has picked those particular three letters.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:52:41pm |
re: #318 Aceofwhat?
right. it was the media. they’re ALL right-wing conspirators.
9_9
This post is brought to you by Occam’s Razor…remember, kids, if there wasn’t anything horrific brought to light in Huckabee’s sermons…it’s probably because he didn’t say anything horrific!
Occam’s Razor…it’s not for shaving!
(sorry, WUB…haven’t had the chance to get salty with you in a while…just enjoying myself)
You’re missing my point, nothing to do with conspiracy whatsoever, everything to do with plain old American culture. We’re accustomed to crazy in our white preachers attached to presidents. We just accept it. And who knows if Huckabee DID say something crazy, the thing was he was never scrutinized.
Isn’t that what racism is all about? Double standards for everything?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:52:46pm |
re: #319 Walter L. Newton
The fucking end of civilization as we know it.
Admit it…you love this song.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:53:01pm |
re: #321 Aceofwhat?
Remind me to have Stanley Sea disinvite you from our college football pages this fall;)
I went to a college with no sports teams of any kind, so that’s probably for the best :D
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:53:59pm |
re: #322 reine.de.tout
Well, I know that.
but I think it’s odd someone has picked those particular three letters.
I blame those bastards at Lion’s Gate Films.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:54:19pm |
re: #323 WindUpBird
You’re missing my point, nothing to do with conspiracy whatsoever, everything to do with plain old American culture. We’re accustomed to crazy in our white preachers attached to presidents. We just accept it. And who knows if Huckabee DID say something crazy, the thing was he was never scrutinized.
Isn’t that what racism is all about? Double standards for everything?
i see. on the other hand, what makes you say he was never scrutinized? how would you know if his sermons were scrutinized but nothing of interest was found?
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:54:33pm |
re: #325 WindUpBird
I went to a college with no sports teams of any kind, so that’s probably for the best :D
My undergrad alma mater, Bradley U, didn’t have a football team but there was a kick-ass basketball team. That’s where I learned to love the game. They rocked!
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:55:33pm |
re: #315 WindUpBird
Yeah, you can make your own hash tag at any time. Damn, now I want breakfast for dinner.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:55:41pm |
re: #328 Aceofwhat?
i see. on the other hand, what makes you say he was never scrutinized? how would you know if his sermons were scrutinized but nothing of interest was found?
I suppose they could have kept their inquiries 100% completely secret as secret can be, but somehow I think news of the media’s exhaustive search would have gotten out ;-)
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:56:03pm |
re: #330 Irenicum
Yeah, you can make your own hash tag at any time. Damn, now I want breakfast for dinner.
or heroin.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:56:06pm |
re: #322 reine.de.tout
Well, I know that.
but I think it’s odd someone has picked those particular three letters.
There’s also these folks.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:56:12pm |
re: #325 WindUpBird
I went to a college with no sports teams of any kind, so that’s probably for the best :D
i went to Case, so i root for their crappy Division III programs and the Big10 conference in general. somewhere in the bylaws of life, you’re allowed to have multiple allegiances if your nerd school is low enough on the athletic totem pole;)
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:57:09pm |
Time for dinner. All these dingalings, 4 mainly, with little to say make me hungry for something of substance.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:57:36pm |
re: #331 WindUpBird
I suppose they could have kept their inquiries 100% completely secret as secret can be, but somehow I think news of the media’s exhaustive search would have gotten out ;-)
not if there was no story.
“breaking news at 11: Huckabee’s sermons…typical stuff”
actually…maybe you’re right…at the rate that CNN is chasing away viewers, it should have been right up their alley/
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:58:36pm |
re: #336 darthstar
It’s Cleveland…you do what you can.
(btw…anyone else tuning in at 9 to watch LeBron leave Cleveland? light a candle for me…)
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:58:47pm |
re: #335 Naso Tang
Make sure to throw in a random insult as you leave. Oh, you did. Great.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:59:12pm |
Quick review… (without spoilers) anyone seen “Get Me To The Greek?” May go see it tonight.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:00:07pm |
So we have had over 8,500,000 posts. I wonder how much dingage has been done?
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:01:19pm |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
Quick review… (without spoilers) anyone seen “Get Me To The Greek?” May go see it tonight.
Annoying actors play obnxious characters.
Or is it obnoxious actors playing annoying characters?
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:01:32pm |
re: #338 Aceofwhat?
It’s Cleveland…you do what you can.
(btw…anyone else tuning in at 9 to watch LeBron leave Cleveland? light a candle for me…)
99 million for 5 years to go to Miami…
Did I ruin the suspense King James? Sorry about that
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:01:54pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:02:12pm |
re: #343 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Annoying actors play obnxious characters.
Or is it obnoxious actors playing annoying characters?
Oh… like “Steinfeld.”
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:02:19pm |
re: #336 darthstar
although the Peter B. Lewis building at the Weatherhead School of Management is pretty cool.
still bugs me that i had to get my MBA somewhere else because the business school isn’t as highly ranked as the undergrad.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:03:09pm |
re: #347 Aceofwhat?
still bugs me that i had to get my MBA somewhere else because the business school isn’t as highly ranked as the undergrad.
You… you… elitist!!//
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:03:49pm |
re: #344 HoosierHoops
99 million for 5 years to go to Miami…
Did I ruin the suspense King James? Sorry about that
i’m afraid you’re right…he can’t make that much in his contract, they need to mind the cap, but i’m sure his endorsement deals will survive.
sigh.
what REALLY hurts is that the Heat are going to be fun to watch…it’ll be hard to hate them.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:05:28pm |
re: #344 HoosierHoops
99 million for 5 years to go to Miami…
Did I ruin the suspense King James? Sorry about that
Fate says he blows out a knee in a preseason match.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:05:33pm |
re: #279 WindUpBird
You sure seem bound and determined to give Islam “special” treatment
It’s radical Islam that’s the big problem, not Islam in general…and of course the moderates who won’t speak out agains the extremists.
The reason I focus on radical Islam more than extremist Christians is very simple - it’s because of my concern for Israel.
Honestly, this has always been and remains my consistent position.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:06:23pm |
re: #351 Spare O’Lake
It’s radical Islam that’s the big problem, not Islam in general…and of course the moderates who won’t speak out agains the extremists.
The reason I focus on radical Islam more than extremist Christians is very simple - it’s because of my concern for Israel.
Honestly, this has always been and remains my consistent position.
I think the radical Xians are just as much a threat to Israel as the radical muslims are.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:06:57pm |
re: #351 Spare O’Lake
Then you’ll understand why those of us in the US, who are more threatened by the very real actions of radical Christians who get laws actually passed— like the travesty in Louisiana— are more concerned about radical Christianity, yes?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:08:22pm |
re: #348 allegro
You… you… elitist!!//
It’s so true. I treat my MBA like Gollum treats shiny gold circles…i never thought i’d have a chance to get into a top school, so now it’s my precious. Big flaw. Fully admit it.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:08:24pm |
re: #352 darthstar
I have to disagree with you there D. I’m no fan of the crazy end-time Christians, but I don’t see them blowing themselves up in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv or trying to develop nukes to blow Israel off the map. Big difference.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:08:59pm |
re: #352 darthstar
I think the radical Xians are just as much a threat to Israel as the radical muslims are.
hooey
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:10:06pm |
re: #354 Aceofwhat?
It’s so true. I treat my MBA like Gollum treats shiny gold circles…i never thought i’d have a chance to get into a top school, so now it’s my precious. Big flaw. Fully admit it.
Entirely worthy of pride and well-earned. I feel that way about one of my graduate degree schools as well.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:10:29pm |
re: #355 Irenicum
I have to disagree with you there D. I’m no fan of the crazy end-time Christians, but I don’t see them blowing themselves up in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv or trying to develop nukes to blow Israel off the map. Big difference.
True, they aren’t blowing themselves up, but they do feed the hate, as if that’s going to help.
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garhighway Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:10:34pm |
re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Fate says he blows out a knee in a preseason match.
If he devotes an hour show to screwing Cleveland he deserves that.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:10:35pm |
re: #352 darthstar
I think the radical Xians are just as much a threat to Israel as the radical muslims are.
i think you’re just kidding him, but on the off chance that you’re not, how many Israelis did Xians murder in the past 10 years?
now replace Xians with Muslims…
yeaaahhh…i’m gonna need you to move your desk…mmmkay?
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:10:46pm |
Involuntary mansalughter in the Mehserle trial. It’s more punishment than he deserves, I feel. I hope that no riots occur. The city leaders have been great at asking for peace, and nobody much has been whipping up discontent.
Come on, Oakland, show off self-restraint!
Also, don’t flip the car I’ll be riding home in over.
Thanks.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:11:02pm |
re: #351 Spare O’Lake
It’s radical Islam that’s the big problem, not Islam in general…and of course the moderates who won’t speak out agains the extremists.
The reason I focus on radical Islam more than extremist Christians is very simple - it’s because of my concern for Israel.
Honestly, this has always been and remains my consistent position.
Extremist Christians also pose an existential threat to Israel.
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:11:29pm |
Humorous yet accurate segment by Jon Stewart regarding NASA Administrator Charles Bolden’s comments in the Middle East. My thought also led to the USA’s “outreach” to Russia by NASA during the close of the Cold War.
Part of motivation behind the objection is that many see Muslim countries as the enemy. I find this odd considering their concerns over Russia and the recent SALT treaty agreements and the equalization of nuclear capacity therein. Surely according to these standards Russia presents a larger threat then Middle Eastern countries within the context of nuclear weapons. If we use this standard then we should not be cooperating with Russia let alone providing frequent outreach and educational programs.
One has to wonder (in the current atavistic climate) what the reaction would have been when the Apollo 11 astronauts traveled to Mexico City for a parade where Buzz Aldrin, Mike Collins, and Neil Armstrong donned Sombreros to participate in a PR event that inspired many a Mexican.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:11:50pm |
re: #360 Aceofwhat?
i think you’re just kidding him, but on the off chance that you’re not, how many Israelis did Xians murder in the past 10 years?
now replace Xians with Muslims…
yeaaahhh…i’m gonna need you to move your desk…mmmkay?
See my 358. It’s not the same threat, but it is a threat all the same.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:11:51pm |
re: #355 Irenicum
I have to disagree with you there D. I’m no fan of the crazy end-time Christians, but I don’t see them blowing themselves up in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv or trying to develop nukes to blow Israel off the map. Big difference.
Then evidently you’re not keeping up with all the bombs that have been placed in locations like Times Square, and the Christians that have shot up their fellow military buddies, or the Christians that have tried to set their underwear on fire on a plane (or was that a Mormon trying to smoke their magic underwear on a plane) or the Christians who ran a car into an airport terminal in Scotland or…
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:12:02pm |
re: #358 darthstar
True, they aren’t blowing themselves up, but they do feed the hate, as if that’s going to help.
one could say that the moderate American Christian is Israel’s best friend.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:12:17pm |
re: #362 goddamnedfrank
World Socialist website? You are kidding right?
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:13:05pm |
re: #366 Aceofwhat?
Not really. The moderate and conservative American Jew is Israel’s best friend.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:13:47pm |
re: #367 Irenicum
World Socialist website? You are kidding right?
No… not in order to make a goddamnedfrank point…
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:14:00pm |
re: #364 darthstar
See my 358. It’s not the same threat, but it is a threat all the same.
but you said it was the same
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:14:06pm |
re: #366 Aceofwhat?
one could say that the moderate American Christian is Israel’s best friend.
One could. I was talking about extremist American Christians…who currently only take up arms against other Americans.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:14:29pm |
re: #367 Irenicum
Bad source, but a good story: The Air Force really has been struggling with some deep-rooted evangelical troubles.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:14:33pm |
re: #368 Obdicut
Not really. The moderate and conservative American Jew is Israel’s best friend.
yes, good point.
outside of fellow Jews, i should say…
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:14:44pm |
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:15:21pm |
re: #372 Obdicut
So evangelicals are an existential threat to Israel? Do we live on the same planet?
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Political Atheist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:15:22pm |
re: #352 darthstar
re: #374 darthstar
Okay lets try a thought experiment. My magic wand removes every radical Islamic from the planet but leaves every radical Christian. Evaluate Israels security situation anew. Now lets reverse it. My magic wand removes all the radical Christians. Iran is still there. Hezbollah…
Sorry man you have a valid point about these people, but you just ran too far with it.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:15:26pm |
re: #371 darthstar
One could. I was talking about extremist American Christians…who currently only take up arms against other Americans.
quite true. fortunately, they are also far less numerous than moderate american christians. but what you say in this post is true.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:15:43pm |
re: #374 darthstar
“as much a threat” - not the same kind of threat.
Well… I hope the day never comes when I have to be as concerned about the possible Christians that are flying with me on the plane.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:16:08pm |
re: #352 darthstar
I think the radical Xians are just as much a threat to Israel as the radical muslims are.
Just look at a map of the middle east and I think you’ll appreciate my point of view. But don’t take my word for it, Netanyahu says the same thing.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:16:31pm |
re: #374 darthstar
“as much a threat” - not the same kind of threat.
“as much a threat” = “same degree of threat”
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:16:35pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:17:27pm |
re: #381 darthstar
I see Sparrow has done it again. Let me try to right the boat before we capsize into idiocy.
Good for you… realizing your shortcomings are the first step to recovery.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:18:47pm |
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:19:12pm |
re: #339 Obdicut
Make sure to throw in a random insult as you leave. Oh, you did. Great.
It wasn’t random.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:19:19pm |
re: #385 darthstar
Sometimes a break to look at beauty is the best way to get away from endless ranting.
did you like the building pic? never thought you’d see that much culture in Cleveland, eh?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:19:23pm |
re: #352 darthstar
I think the radical Xians are just as much a threat to Israel as the radical muslims are.
It is certainly true that radical Christians want to convert us all and destroy our Jewish identity. However, Hamas, Hezbollah, The Irani Government, and much of the Muslim world simply want all of us dead. Let’s not get carried away with false comparisons.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:19:43pm |
re: #387 Aceofwhat?
did you like the building pic? never thought you’d see that much culture in Cleveland, eh?
Yes, it was quite stunning. I love great architecture.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:19:53pm |
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:20:00pm |
re: #385 darthstar
Sometimes a break to look at beauty is the best way to get away from endless ranting.
But..But..Star..
Yelling is the only exercise we get on the Internet
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Political Atheist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:20:13pm |
re: #385 darthstar
Agreed. Where did you get that anyway? Your shot?
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:20:37pm |
I think in this conservation we’re confusing two different issues. Conservative American evangelicals views regarding laws in America and the same group regarding Israel. As far as legislating biblical piety on the general public, I’m deeply opposed to any theocratic impulse, and will publicly fight against it as a Christian myself. But as far as American evangelicals, Israel has never had as good an ally in the world. Again, how are they an existential threat to Israel the way, say, Iran is? I just don’t see it.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:20:38pm |
My favorite quotes from twitter so far about the verdict:
So, what time is Lebron announcing the Mehserle verdict?
If Oakland doesn’t riot over the Mehserle verdict, then they’re gonna riot over trading Anthony Randolph.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:20:40pm |
re: #392 Rightwingconspirator
Agreed. Where did you get that anyway? Your shot?
No…I just stole it from a google image search.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:20:43pm |
re: #381 darthstar
I see Sparrow has done it again. Let me try to right the boat before we capsize into idiocy.
Great, those lizards suffering from Lepidopterophobia are now in a fetal position under their beds. I hope you’re happy now.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:20:56pm |
re: #353 Obdicut
Then you’ll understand why those of us in the US, who are more threatened by the very real actions of radical Christians who get laws actually passed— like the travesty in Louisiana— are more concerned about radical Christianity, yes?
Yes, of course I undersatnd. And you’ll not hear me trash you for your views nor will you see me defending the Dominionists et al.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:21:20pm |
re: #388 LudwigVanQuixote
It is certainly true that radical Christians want to convert us all and destroy our Jewish identity. However, Hamas, Hezbollah, The Irani Government, and much of the Muslim world simply want all of us dead. Let’s not get carried away with false comparisons.
and in addition, i would add, the body of moderate Christians love Israel, forming an effective barrier within the religion to any real reversal of policy.
that specific item stands in stark relief to moderate Muslims, who do not wish the same ills as their extremist brethren, but have so far been far less effective as a bulwark.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:22:15pm |
re: #227 RadicalModerate
Dang. News is breaking left and right.
Verdict just got announced. Johannes Mehserle (former BART police officer) found guilty of misdemeanor involuntary manslaughter in the shooting of 22-year-old Oscar Grant. At the time of the shooting, Grant was detained, unarmed and face-down after an New Years Eve incident on an Oakland BART train.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:23:10pm |
re: #393 Irenicum
Again, how are they an existential threat to Israel the way, say, Iran is? I just don’t see it.
I think he means that fringe of Christianity that is so out there, they’re antisemitic.
There aren’t many of those.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:23:48pm |
re: #398 Aceofwhat?
and in addition, i would add, the body of moderate Christians love Israel, forming an effective barrier within the religion to any real reversal of policy.
that specific item stands in stark relief to moderate Muslims, who do not wish the same ills as their extremist brethren, but have so far been far less effective as a bulwark.
Israel contains many of the places mentioned in the Bible, so of course Christians want to see it protected from destruction. And moderate Muslims do speak out against the radicals in their faith, quite regularly…but don’t expect them to get much press.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:24:11pm |
re: #399 RadicalModerate
And Mehserle’s explanation, which I believe, is that he meant to tase him, but shot him instead. I don’t even agree with an involuntary manslaughter verdict.
To me, this is a weird case. There are far more obvious cases of police excess all over the place, but people focused on this one. I have no idea why.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:24:36pm |
re: #399 RadicalModerate
Verdict just got announced. Johannes Mehserle (former BART police officer) found guilty of misdemeanor involuntary manslaughter in the shooting of 22-year-old Oscar Grant. At the time of the shooting, Grant was detained, unarmed and face-down after an New Years Eve incident on an Oakland BART train.
Oh my. There does seem to be something disturbing about this picture.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:25:18pm |
re: #399 RadicalModerate
Verdict just got announced. Johannes Mehserle (former BART police officer) found guilty of misdemeanor involuntary manslaughter in the shooting of 22-year-old Oscar Grant. At the time of the shooting, Grant was detained, unarmed and face-down after an New Years Eve incident on an Oakland BART train.
Time to listen to the local NPR station for traffic updates…I suspect most protests will be off the main streets though.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:25:18pm |
re: #401 darthstar
Israel contains many of the places mentioned in the Bible, so of course Christians want to see it protected from destruction. And moderate Muslims do speak out against the radicals in their faith, quite regularly…but don’t expect them to get much press.
i am judging effectiveness, not intentions here; it’s the only prudent yardstick when lives are at stake.
and the lives at stake tell a clear story about the current state of danger around Israel: rogue Christian theocratic regimes are not exactly at the top of the list. it’s quite simple.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:25:25pm |
re: #401 darthstar
Israel contains many of the places mentioned in the Bible, so of course Christians want to see it protected from destruction. And moderate Muslims do speak out against the radicals in their faith, quite regularly…but don’t expect them to get much press.
So the only real interest Christian supportive of Israel have is basically in preserving the dual heritage that both religions share in the region… other than that… what?
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:25:29pm |
re: #390 Obdicut
Why throw an insult at all?
It wasn’t an insult as much as an expression of disdain for certain methods of debate, particularly dingalings that just troll and ding without stating their positions.
Are you next going to tell me that you are always sweetness and love in your style and we should all hold hands and sway together?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:26:18pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:26:42pm |
re: #407 Naso Tang
It wasn’t an insult as much as an expression of disdain for certain methods of debate, particularly dingalings that just troll and ding without stating their positions.
Are you next going to tell me that you are always sweetness and love in your style and we should all hold hands and sway together?
That last paragraph, the image it conjured, made me sick in my mouth.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:27:56pm |
re: #400 Aceofwhat?
The article he linked to specifically mentioned the Air Force Academy in reference to an “existential” threat to Israel. But the AFA is chock full of conservative evangelicals, the strongest supporters of Israel. It just makes no sense. Are there anti-Semitic Christians? Oh boy are there. but they are the fringiest of the fringe and nowhere near the main consensus of American Christian thought. Now the religious left, on the other hand, has some issues.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:28:35pm |
re: #407 Naso Tang
You said:
A man who makes it to the top by playing on the same crap that this Spencer guy does, and to you it can’t be criticized because only whites can be racists? That’s what it sounds like you are saying.
It’s bullshit to say that Obama plays on the same crap Spencer does. Utter tripe.
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captdiggs Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:29:18pm |
re: #71 Walter L. Newton
Stewart is always funny, but he’s not obligated to be balanced or even accurate in his analogies.
For instance his Reagan clip in no way was related to a Government space agency being directed to make any particular ethnic group “feel good” their primary mission.
I’ll give Stewart credit for both being funny, and for shooting at both sides, including Islam itself.
Though these days it might be politically incorrect to do this one.
Mohammed, Mo’ Problems
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:29:44pm |
re: #410 Irenicum
One of the beliefs of some evangelicals is that Israel will need to be destroyed, or at least a great war fought there, before the end times. So, some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.
It seems unlikely to me.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:30:27pm |
re: #375 Irenicum
So evangelicals are an existential threat to Israel? Do we live on the same planet?
What is reality?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:30:29pm |
re: #413 Obdicut
One of the beliefs of some evangelicals is that Israel will need to be destroyed, or at least a great war fought there, before the end times. So, some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.
It seems unlikely to me.
Which some people. Link?
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HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:31:08pm |
re: #403 allegro
Oh my. There does seem to be something disturbing about this picture.
IIRC..That was at the Fruitvale BART station..I’ve commuted from there when I was TDY in Alameda.. If anybody ever thought they were in a tough section of town…Until you are in Oakland you are not in a tough town..
I don’t know what really happened.. But trust me..Anything can happen in that part of town..Cop kills kid..Kid kills Cop.. Pray to God you make it home safe and keep looking at the ground
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:31:54pm |
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:32:00pm |
re: #415 Walter L. Newton
I suspect he may be referring to hardcore Dispensationalists. The Left Behinders.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:33:56pm |
re: #410 Irenicum
The article he linked to specifically mentioned the Air Force Academy in reference to an “existential” threat to Israel. But the AFA is chock full of conservative evangelicals, the strongest supporters of Israel. It just makes no sense. Are there anti-Semitic Christians? Oh boy are there. but they are the fringiest of the fringe and nowhere near the main consensus of American Christian thought. Now the religious left, on the other hand, has some issues.
I completely agree, but i’m also sympathetic to the viewpoint that some crazy fucked-up Neo-Nazi who fancies himself a soldier of God seems like a “religious right nut” to many non-Christians, whereas we just think they’re nuts…not true Scotsmen, in other words.
So i think that you and i define the lunatic fringe of Christianity to be much smaller than others would define it, and i think that all of us could make some logical statements in support of our positions.
In the end, it’s so patently clear that Christians are not in competition for “biggest threat to Israel”, we can be magnanimous about the fringe details.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:33:57pm |
Musical break for Florida Lizards especially…yes, this guy might just represent you in District 19.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:34:05pm |
re: #416 HoosierHoops
Hey, I’ve walked through Bedford Stuyvesant alone. But I’ve never ridden a motorcycle in the rain. So I’m not that crazy.
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allegro Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:34:06pm |
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:34:23pm |
re: #415 Walter L. Newton
Which some people. Link?
Stop playacting, you know exactly what he’s talking about.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:35:04pm |
re: #401 darthstar
And moderate Muslims do speak out against the radicals in their faith, quite regularly…but don’t expect them to get much press.
Perhaps you noticed some press about one of the major mouthpieces for Islamic terrorism that died recently, one of the founders of Hezbollah?
Perhaps you noticed the press about him in the Islamic world? No? Well it was universally laudatory, to the extent that the main editor for the Middle East at the NYT was fired for expressing love and respect for the spiritualism and wisdom of the terrorist.
What some may say, in English, in the USA is irrelevant to the larger picture.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:35:11pm |
re: #409 Walter L. Newton
That last paragraph, the image it conjured, made me sick in my mouth.
what? you won’t hold my hand? what are you afraid of?
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:35:18pm |
re: #407 Naso Tang
It wasn’t an insult as much as an expression of disdain for certain methods of debate, particularly dingalings that just troll and ding without stating their positions.
Are you next going to tell me that you are always sweetness and love in your style and we should all hold hands and sway together?
It’s a start…
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:35:47pm |
re: #419 Irenicum
I suspect he may be referring to hardcore Dispensationalists. The Left Behinders.
I don’t recall them ever talking about starting a holy war in Israel… maybe they have, but I hadn’t heard that idea.
I know there are fringe in the already fringe Covenant groups that has spoken of starting a holy war or a race war in the United States.
I would be interested in actual information of any well thought out dogma of Christians of any stripe wanting to start a holy war in Jerusalem.
I’m not saying it’s not possible, I just haven’t heard that theory yet… and I’ve heard a lot.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:36:10pm |
re: #415 Walter L. Newton
Which some people. Link?
Start with Joel’s Army and the Reconstructionists.
[Link: www.religionnewsblog.com…]
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:36:11pm |
re: #409 Walter L. Newton
That last paragraph, the image it conjured, made me sick in my mouth.
Sorry, but I think it’s not your dinnertime yet. You’ll be OK soon.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:37:05pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:37:06pm |
re: #424 goddamnedfrank
Stop playacting, you know exactly what he’s talking about.
Where did I say anything about Christians starting a war in Jerusalem?
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blueraven Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:37:16pm |
re: #419 Irenicum
I suspect he may be referring to hardcore Dispensationalists. The Left Behinders.
And maybe the followers of Reverend John Hagee
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:37:36pm |
re: #418 ryannon
Are you threatening me?
Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.
| 435 |
Four More Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:38:31pm |
Heh. Someone made a mod for Fallout that adds books which lower your skills. The anti-skillbook for science?
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:38:54pm |
re: #415 Walter L. Newton
Here is one example:
[Link: www.thereitis.org…]
The vast majority of Jews desperately want to avoid a full-scale conflagration between Israel and the Arab world. Dispensationalists don’t. In the dispensationalist narrative, Christians will be raptured to heaven before all the fighting between Jews and Muslims starts. Everyone left will face mass death and destruction. “Some people see some of the imagery in Revelation being caused by nuclear weapons,” says Brodrick. Thus evangelical Christians’ support for policies like the permanent takeover the West Bank and Gaza and even, in some cases, the expulsion of Palestinians into Jordan, should be understood in the context of a worldview in which world war is inevitable.
Eckstein recalls an ad for a prophesy book in Charisma magazine that said the post-rapture tribulations would “make the Holocaust seem like a party.” Though he believes most evangelicals are more “humble and responsible” than that author, he says, “There are those who are so definitive and absolute about the future, and their theology does entail the destruction of millions of Jews in the battle of Armageddon. I believe it says in the Book of Revelation that the blood will be so high that it will reach the bridle of a horse.”
Dispensationalist Christians believe that this is all in the service of establishing the reign of Christ on earth. Yet while they chase this fantasy, they’re content to put real lives — Jewish lives — on the line. “It doesn’t make me feel any better when they tell me to keep the whole West Bank when I don’t think that’s for the benefit of Israel politically,” says Gorenberg. “When somebody’s hope for where Israeli policy will lead is Armageddon, clearly they’re going to be judging things differently.”
Here’s a Jewish perspective on the subject:
[Link: www.jewishjournal.com…]
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:39:07pm |
re: #421 darthstar
Musical break for Florida Lizards especially…yes, this guy might just represent you in District 19.
[Video]
heh. not in Jacksonville…
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:39:22pm |
re: #425 Naso Tang
The comparable example to how his death has been treated throughout the Arab and Muslim world, would be if Fred Phelps died and every American media outlet, Christian and otherwise, wrote loving and laudatory obits. There’s only one problem. That would never happen. There’s a huge difference between our cultures in that respect.
| 439 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:40:32pm |
re: #411 Obdicut
You said:
It’s bullshit to say that Obama plays on the same crap Spencer does. Utter tripe.
I was talking of Rev. Wright, fool.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:40:44pm |
re: #429 Decatur Deb
Start with Joel’s Army and the Reconstructionists.
[Link: www.religionnewsblog.com…]
I’m well aware of “army of god” sort of groups who feel that they will have to arm themselves against the “heathen” forces in America, but Obdicuts comment… “One of the beliefs of some evangelicals is that Israel will need to be destroyed, or at least a great war fought there, before the end times. So, some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose”… sound to me like he’s implying that they will start a war in Israel… I don’t see that anywhere.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:41:38pm |
Well…since no one has called me a hater today, let us please form a circle around the campfire, hold hands, and sing together:
Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya
Oh Lordy won’t you Kumbaya.
Laters, gators.
| 442 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:42:00pm |
re: #440 Walter L. Newton
naw, that “some say” thing is coy when you don’t reveal your own opinion.
he clearly said he didn’t think it was realistic.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:42:16pm |
re: #441 Spare O’Lake
Well…since no one has called me a hater today, let us please form a circle around the campfire, hold hands, and sing together:
Laters, gators.
but…Walter won’t hold my hand…
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:42:27pm |
re: #428 Walter L. Newton
I agree with you Walter. I was referring to what the other poster may have been referring to. I don’t see Dispies wanting to start a holy war in Israel either, but they do focus an inordinate amount of attention to the subject, as in Hagee, et al.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:42:43pm |
re: #439 Naso Tang
I was talking of Rev. Wright, fool.
Rev Wright didn’t reach the top of anything, Naso, unless every preacher at a church is at ‘the top’.
Your response to WindUp saying
Black people don’t get nice things, got it
Which was in reference to President Obama, was:
You don’t get it. A man who makes it to the top by playing on the same crap that this Spencer guy does, and to you it can’t be criticized because only whites can be racists? That’s what it sounds like you are saying.
Why was I not supposed to think you were still talking about President Obama, who is, indeed, a man who reached the top, whereas Wright is not?
And again, why the need for insults? Do you really think it helps your argument?
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:43:11pm |
re: #438 Irenicum
The comparable example to how his death has been treated throughout the Arab and Muslim world, would be if Fred Phelps died and every American media outlet, Christian and otherwise, wrote loving and laudatory obits. There’s only one problem. That would never happen. There’s a huge difference between our cultures in that respect.
That sounds kind of like making a Godwin argument, when you have nothing to say.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:43:53pm |
re: #436 Obdicut
Here is one example:
[Link: www.thereitis.org…]
Here’s a Jewish perspective on the subject:
[Link: www.jewishjournal.com…]
I am well aware of Dispensationalists dogma, been around in one form or another for a really long time… the article states… ” In the dispensationalist narrative, Christians will be raptured to heaven before all the fighting between Jews and Muslims starts.”
Where are the Christians starting a war in Jerusalem? They are not even on the earth at this point
| 448 |
darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:44:04pm |
ROFL…Yoda recording Tom-Tom navigational directions.
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rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:44:11pm |
re: #434 Aceofwhat?
Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.
President Merkin Muffley: I will not go down in history as the greatest mass-murderer since Adolf Hitler.
General “Buck” Turgidson: Perhaps it might be better, Mr. President, if you were more concerned with the American People than with your image in the history books.
| 450 |
rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:44:59pm |
What kind of bizarro world thread is this!!!!?!?!?!?
I’ve up-dinged LVQ at least twice!!!
//
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captdiggs Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:45:02pm |
re: #401 darthstar
And moderate Muslims do speak out against the radicals in their faith, quite regularly…but don’t expect them to get much press.
That’s a touchy situation. When they do get press, they also get death threats from other muslims.
The best analogy is that of Germany in the 1930s. Not all Germans were nazis, but those who were not and spoke out were silenced. Ultimately the the fact that the good Germans could not overcome the bad led to the world’s largest conflagration and 10s of millions dead.
| 452 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:45:22pm |
re: #447 Walter L. Newton
I am well aware of Dispensationalists dogma, been around in one form or another for a really long time… the article states… ” In the dispensationalist narrative, Christians will be raptured to heaven before all the fighting between Jews and Muslims starts.”
Where are the Christians starting a war in Jerusalem? They are not even on the earth at this point
Maybe you could read what I cited, Walter.
Yet while they chase this fantasy, they’re content to put real lives — Jewish lives — on the line. “It doesn’t make me feel any better when they tell me to keep the whole West Bank when I don’t think that’s for the benefit of Israel politically,” says Gorenberg. “When somebody’s hope for where Israeli policy will lead is Armageddon, clearly they’re going to be judging things differently.”
And again, I don’t agree with that point of view.
| 453 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:45:23pm |
re: #444 Irenicum
I agree with you Walter. I was referring to what the other poster may have been referring to. I don’t see Dispies wanting to start a holy war in Israel either, but they do focus an inordinate amount of attention to the subject, as in Hagee, et al.
The focus a whole lot on “A HOLY WAR” at the end times. I still don’t see anything about CHRISTIANS starting the war, in Jerusalem, as stated by Obdicut.
| 454 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:45:37pm |
re: #436 Obdicut
Actually Gorenberg is one of my favorite writers. His book on the Temple Mount is fantastic and should be required reading. It’s called “End of Days.”
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rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:46:15pm |
re: #451 captdiggs
That’s a touchy situation. When they do get press, they also get death threats from other muslims.
The best analogy is that of Germany in the 1930s. Not all Germans were nazis, but those who were not and spoke out were silenced. Ultimately the the fact that the good Germans could not overcome the bad led to the world’s largest conflagration and 10s of millions dead.
Godwin Rocks!!
| 456 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:46:22pm |
re: #447 Walter L. Newton
I am well aware of Dispensationalists dogma, been around in one form or another for a really long time… the article states… ” In the dispensationalist narrative, Christians will be raptured to heaven before all the fighting between Jews and Muslims starts.”
Where are the Christians starting a war in Jerusalem? They are not even on the earth at this point
And Israel has never once asked for a single American boot on the ground to protect it or to fight its battles.
Now I really gotta run…laters.
| 457 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:47:06pm |
re: #446 Naso Tang
Apparently you don’t recognize when someone is agreeing with you. Fine by me. It’s not my problem.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:47:06pm |
re: #446 Naso Tang
That sounds kind of like making a Godwin argument, when you have nothing to say.
uhh…i think he was agreeing with you.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:47:16pm |
re: #445 Obdicut
Why was I not supposed to think you were still talking about President Obama, who is, indeed, a man who reached the top, whereas Wright is not?
And again, why the need for insults? Do you really think it helps your argument?
You said bullshit, I said fool. Are we even?
OK, you misunderstood. I forgive you.
As to the meaning of Top. In the hierarchy of rabble rousing preachers, ending up retired in a mansion, tax free since it is “donated” by the faithful, kind of sounds like the top of the category to me, but feel free to disagree.
| 460 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:47:33pm |
re: #452 Obdicut
And again, I don’t agree with that point of view.
I don’t either… but that doesn’t say what you said, that “some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.” Again I ask you, who said that?
| 461 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:48:20pm |
re: #449 rwdflynavy
President Merkin Muffley: I will not go down in history as the greatest mass-murderer since Adolf Hitler.
General “Buck” Turgidson: Perhaps it might be better, Mr. President, if you were more concerned with the American People than with your image in the history books.
Darthstar fights flame with butterflies…i fight it with Strangelove. We all have our styles-
| 462 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:48:29pm |
re: #450 rwdflynavy
I agree. It’s bizarre that I’m finding myself on the right side of this thread instead of the left. It’s definitely a strange thread.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:48:34pm |
re: #442 Aceofwhat?
naw, that “some say” thing is coy when you don’t reveal your own opinion.
he clearly said he didn’t think it was realistic.
Billy Bob Neck has a video commenting that theory, but it’s even more offensive than his usual stuff.
| 464 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:48:40pm |
re: #457 Irenicum
Apparently you don’t recognize when someone is agreeing with you. Fine by me. It’s not my problem.
heh. gmta. and, wow…right?
| 465 |
darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:49:22pm |
Okay…I think I’ll go play in traffic now. Peace out, motherfuckers! erm…Play nice, everyone?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:50:20pm |
re: #462 Irenicum
I agree. It’s bizarre that I’m finding myself on the right side of this thread instead of the left. It’s definitely a strange thread.
“The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be…unnatural.”
Join us…and you will be stronger than any Jedi lefty.
| 467 |
rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:51:08pm |
re: #462 Irenicum
I agree. It’s bizarre that I’m finding myself on the right side of this thread instead of the left. It’s definitely a strange thread.
Come to the dark side!!!
We have cookies!!
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:51:48pm |
re: #453 Walter L. Newton
I agree. Radical Muslims want to start the holy war themselves, radical Christians, usually of the Dispy sort, just pray for God to do it for them. As far as the British-Isrealites, they’re so tiny that they don’t represent a credible voice within Christianity. They’re also batshit crazy.
| 469 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:52:26pm |
re: #459 Naso Tang
You said bullshit, I said fool. Are we even?
Nope.
OK, you misunderstood. I forgive you.
Wow, how amazingly generous of you.
As to the meaning of Top. In the hierarchy of rabble rousing preachers, ending up retired in a mansion, tax free since it is “donated” by the faithful, kind of sounds like the top of the category to me, but feel free to disagree.
I disagree entirely. Wright isn’t at the top of anything. He was publicly humiliated by the President of the US who remonstrated him and cast him aside. That isn’t being at the ‘top’ in any way, shape, or form.
In addition, he doesn’t have a multi-milllion dollar mansion, as you said, but a one million dollar mansion. I’m currently living in a three million dollar mansion (no, really, it’s a family property in SF that I somehow have to figure out how to pay inheritance taxes on, eventually). Am I at the top? Well, I am living in the attic, so I’m technically at the top.
[Link: www.suntimes.com…]
| 470 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:53:03pm |
re: #468 Irenicum
Heh. I’d forgotten about the lunatic British-Israelites.
| 471 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:53:29pm |
re: #460 Walter L. Newton
I don’t either… but that doesn’t say what you said, that “some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.” Again I ask you, who said that?
I’m trying to post this as a cache. It’s just more crazy than I want to bring to LGF. It touches on the concept of “Forcing the End”. (An attempt to breed a red calf from US stock occurred while I was stationed in Israel.)
[Link: www.greatdreams.com…]
| 473 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:53:50pm |
re: #457 Irenicum
Apparently you don’t recognize when someone is agreeing with you. Fine by me. It’s not my problem.
My apologies.
Your comment about differences in cultures sounded like an excuse for the response we saw.
While there are differences in culture for sure, the innate tendency to excuse purveyors of violence is rooted in the respect for anyone who claims to be acting out of religious conviction and is more than what we usually call “culture”.
| 474 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:54:40pm |
re: #469 Obdicut
LOL
“Technically at the top”.
| 475 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:55:24pm |
re: #464 Aceofwhat?
It’s like he read something completely different than what I wrote. Very weird.
| 476 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:55:53pm |
re: #393 Irenicum
I think in this conservation we’re confusing two different issues. Conservative American evangelicals views regarding laws in America and the same group regarding Israel. As far as legislating biblical piety on the general public, I’m deeply opposed to any theocratic impulse, and will publicly fight against it as a Christian myself. But as far as American evangelicals, Israel has never had as good an ally in the world. Again, how are they an existential threat to Israel the way, say, Iran is? I just don’t see it.
I would say an ally that only wants you to thrive in order to fulfill prophecy, thus bringing about the ultimate demise of the Jewish people, isn’t an ally at all.
Having said that, radical Islam is clearly a greater threat to Israel than radical Christianity. But, radical Christianity is more of a threat to our way of life here in the US than radical Islam could ever be.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:55:54pm |
re: #474 Rightwingconspirator
The attic is actually great, with a wonderful view of USF, and, I just discovered, a whole set of Michael Innes novels.
And you can’t hear anything from the rest of the house, and they can’t hear you.
I wish the house was worth $1 rather than what it is.
| 478 |
rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:55:56pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:56:00pm |
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:56:05pm |
re: #469 Obdicut
You never disappoint with your attention to detail, real or imagined :).
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:56:16pm |
re: #468 Irenicum
I agree. Radical Muslims want to start the holy war themselves, radical Christians, usually of the Dispy sort, just pray for God to do it for them. As far as the British-Isrealites, they’re so tiny that they don’t represent a credible voice within Christianity. They’re also batshit crazy.
And the British-Israelites (at least the ones I am very familiar with) have no designs on holy warfare. As far as they are concerned, they are Israel, where ever they are at, and that the promises are for them.
Now… British-Israelites thought is behind the KKK and other Covenant groups (Identity groups) and some of them have the “army of god” mentality, and some of them would like to see an armed church in this country… but I have yet to find any organized assembly of Christians who believe that THEY THEMSELVES will start the war on the Plains of Megiddo.
I could be wrong, that’s why I am asking for some background on that concept, because I haven’t seen it.
| 483 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:57:48pm |
re: #471 Decatur Deb
Some crazy people love red herrings, these crazies love red heffers!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:59:17pm |
re: #483 Irenicum
Some crazy people love red herrings, these crazies love red heffers!
it’s what’s on the inside that counts. meat, that is. soft, yummy, grilled, medium-rare meat.
| 485 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:59:18pm |
re: #471 Decatur Deb
I’m trying to post this as a cache. It’s just more crazy than I want to bring to LGF. It touches on the concept of “Forcing the End”. (An attempt to breed a red calf from US stock occurred while I was stationed in Israel.)
[Link: www.greatdreams.com…]
I’ve read all that material before… once again, trying to help fulfill certain “prophecies” is still a site different than saying “some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.” I’m still looking for those “some people.”
I’ve said it above a number of times, it’s not impossible, but I want a reference… mainly to add to my already over bearing knowledge of religious dogma…
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rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:59:42pm |
re: #462 Irenicum
I agree. It’s bizarre that I’m finding myself on the right side of this thread instead of the left. It’s definitely a strange thread.
You are hardly alone. Naso Tang isn’t exactly a right winger when it comes to most topics either.
| 488 |
RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:59:47pm |
Isn’t trying to accelerate the beginning of the “end times” a plank that Rusdoony and North espouse in their Dominionist / Reconstructionist movement?
| 489 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:00:46pm |
re: #488 RadicalModerate
Isn’t trying to accelerate the beginning of the “end times” a plank that Rusdoony and North espouse in their Dominionist / Reconstructionist movement?
Accelerate is different than “some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.” statement that Obdicut made.
| 490 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:01:03pm |
re: #482 Walter L. Newton
And the British-Israelites (at least the ones I am very familiar with) have no designs on holy warfare. As far as they are concerned, they are Israel, where ever they are at, and that the promises are for them.
Now… British-Israelites thought is behind the KKK and other Covenant groups (Identity groups) and some of them have the “army of god” mentality, and some of them would like to see an armed church in this country… but I have yet to find any organized assembly of Christians who believe that THEY THEMSELVES will start the war on the Plains of Megiddo.
I could be wrong, that’s why I am asking for some background on that concept, because I haven’t seen it.
I’ve not found a Christian group yet that overtly plans to the trigger Armageddon-many expect to be involved on the right side when it starts. Researching this is hard because of the metaphorical uses of the word.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:02:04pm |
re: #485 Walter L. Newton
I’ve read all that material before… once again, trying to help fulfill certain “prophecies” is still a site different than saying “some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.” I’m still looking for those “some people.”
I’ve said it above a number of times, it’s not impossible, but I want a reference… mainly to add to my already over bearing knowledge of religious dogma…
Well, if one believes in prayer, one could argue that many are actively trying to make that happen. One can go to jail for conspiracy in this country, can one not?/
| 492 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:02:22pm |
re: #490 Decatur Deb
I’ve not found a Christian group yet that overtly plans to the trigger Armageddon-many expect to be involved on the right side when it starts. Researching this is hard because of the metaphorical uses of the word.
Not to mention the metaphysical aspect of starting Armageddon. I didn’t know about the red heifer bit— that’s kind of funny, in a weird way.
| 493 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:02:58pm |
re: #490 Decatur Deb
I’ve not found a Christian group yet that overtly plans to the trigger Armageddon-many expect to be involved on the right side when it starts. Researching this is hard because of the metaphorical uses of the word.
Well… Obdicut certainly sounded sure of it when he said “some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.” I’m not fighting the issue… considering that I normally play the apologist against religion, this would be juicy new info for me to file away along with all the other crap I know.
But no one can link me to an actual statement like that.
| 494 |
b_sharp Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:03:47pm |
re: #402 Obdicut
And Mehserle’s explanation, which I believe, is that he meant to tase him, but shot him instead. I don’t even agree with an involuntary manslaughter verdict.
To me, this is a weird case. There are far more obvious cases of police excess all over the place, but people focused on this one. I have no idea why.
Yes, of course. A handgun and a taser look and feel exactly the same.
If this nut is mistaking a loaded handgun for a taser, he should never have been anywhere near a handgun.
Hell, a pea-shooter would have been too much for him.
| 495 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:03:54pm |
re: #492 Obdicut
Not to mention the metaphysical aspect of starting Armageddon. I didn’t know about the red heifer bit— that’s kind of funny, in a weird way.
It was a little scary—had the heifer been “pure”, a faction was ready to try to seize the Temple mount.
| 496 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:04:28pm |
re: #488 RadicalModerate
Not really. They want to establish a Christian Caliphate and are strongly post millenial. The end times folks are almost always pre-mil and rapture oriented. Rushdoony and North hate that viewpoint passionately.
| 497 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:04:57pm |
re: #492 Obdicut
Not to mention the metaphysical aspect of starting Armageddon. I didn’t know about the red heifer bit— that’s kind of funny, in a weird way.
It is… and it’s been a thought, a hoped for possibility for a while, especially among some of the really small Anglo-Israeli sects.
| 498 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:05:18pm |
re: #493 Walter L. Newton
Well… Obdicut certainly sounded sure of it when he said “some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.” I’m not fighting the issue… considering that I normally play the apologist against religion, this would be juicy new info for me to file away along with all the other crap I know.
But no one can link me to an actual statement like that.
It’s not hard to reach from the Joel’s Army position that there is to be one Christian government over the world.
| 499 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:05:32pm |
re: #492 Obdicut
Not to mention the metaphysical aspect of starting Armageddon. I didn’t know about the red heifer bit— that’s kind of funny, in a weird way.
heh…i didn’t either. freaks.
| 500 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:08:55pm |
re: #498 Decatur Deb
It’s not hard to reach from the Joel’s Army position that there is to be one Christian government over the world.
It is when someone is claiming that some Christians will physically start a war in Jerusalem. Yes, there are “army of god” type groups in this country, but like I said up thread, in the least, these groups feel the need to be armed against the US government in case the US government “oversteps” their “freedoms.” In the worst, some of these groups would actually like to start a war, at least an insurrection, and for some groups, that would be a race war.
But I have yet heard of a group, large, small or fringe that actually holds a dogma that they themselves will put a standing army in Jerusalem and bring on Armageddon.
| 501 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:09:51pm |
re: #493 Walter L. Newton
Well… Obdicut certainly sounded sure of it when he said “some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.” I’m not fighting the issue… considering that I normally play the apologist against religion, this would be juicy new info for me to file away along with all the other crap I know.
But no one can link me to an actual statement like that.
I already have, Walter, what are you talking about?
Haven’t you read what I linked? I even bolded it for you.
Do you understand that the building of the third temple would involve the destruction of one of the holiest of Muslim sites?
I’m really not understanding your objection here— could you explain it more clearly?
| 502 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:10:02pm |
re: #493 Walter L. Newton
I think there’s a reason for that Walter. They’re really aren’t any links to be found for that specific assertion. Hey, btw, I may have already mentioned this to you before. But maybe not, so here goes. Knowing your interest in the Christian Identity movement I thought you might be interested in a newer book called Blood and Politics: The History of the White Nationalist Movement from the Margins to the Mainstream. It’s huge and took quite a few years to compile. Leonard Zeskind wrote it. I think he overstates the “mainstream” aspect a bit. But it’s a great, if scary, resource. I think you’ll like it.
| 503 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:11:02pm |
Pamela Geller is an orange heifer. Does that count?
| 504 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:11:06pm |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
It is when someone is claiming that some Christians will physically start a war in Jerusalem.
Hrm. What I said:
One of the beliefs of some evangelicals is that Israel will need to be destroyed, or at least a great war fought there, before the end times. So, some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.
See any difference there, Walter?
| 505 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:12:23pm |
re: #503 Cato the Elder
I’m glad to hear she doesn’t have any kids.
| 506 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:12:59pm |
re: #503 Cato the Elder
Pamela Geller is an orange heifer. Does that count?
no. if it’s not steak at the end of the story, it’s just not right.
| 507 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:14:33pm |
re: #504 Obdicut
Actually I do Obdicut. Radical Islamists want to wear the boots on the ground during the fighting, radical Christians hope to “flip the switch” that will provoke the fighting in order to bring on the end. There is a difference there. I think that’s Walters point.
| 508 |
iceweasel Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:14:48pm |
re: #505 Obdicut
I’m glad to hear she doesn’t have any kids.
Actually she does, and she’s used them in a hideous vlog of hers before. :(
| 509 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:14:53pm |
re: #504 Obdicut
One of the beliefs of some evangelicals is that Israel will need to be destroyed, or at least a great war fought there, before the end times. So, some people think that radical Evangelicals may start that war on purpose.
See any difference there, Walter?
Somehow I see the wishing/praying for a war to be ethically just as repugnant as acting on it.
| 510 |
HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:15:37pm |
re: #503 Cato the Elder
Pamela Geller is an orange heifer. Does that count?
So what ever happened to your self imposed 2 week time out?
48 hours and we are going all orange heifer on us?
Admit it Cato..This blog is worse than Crack to you
/
| 511 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:16:12pm |
re: #509 Naso Tang
Somehow I see the wishing/praying for a war to be ethically just as repugnant as acting on it.
ethically, yes. physically, not even close.
(…i thought you were an atheist?)
| 513 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:16:48pm |
re: #508 iceweasel
Actually she does, and she’s used them in a hideous vlog of hers before. :(
Hey. So…is LeBron leaving Cleveland, or what?
| 514 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:17:41pm |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
I’m guessing this topic could be put into a page—I’ve been into revitalistic movements since college. It looks like the links disappear after a while. It needs a lot more digging. There is almost a Poe-like principle that if you can imagine something, a small sect somewhere believes it passionately.
| 515 |
HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:19:14pm |
re: #512 Irenicum
Tell me about it! I’m just as bad.
I got 3 bad ass Computers in my cube each with 22” Monitors..
For some reason LGF is always on a guest VLAN on one box…
It’s great..Anybody got a bic lighter here?
/
| 516 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:21:45pm |
Feels like the Devils back yard out side….. See what Obama has brung us already? He is sending America to Hell-oh. Any body good at research ??? find out how much Obama’s campianing for other dems. has cost us the tax payer, he has given more speaches, fund raising parties. and other crapp for the loosers of the Dem. party while in office for the 1st 1 1/2 years than the last 4 Presidents combined in 24 years
I am trying to figure out a way to tell idiot Facebook friends of mine that they are not helping.
That is copied and posted directly.
Oh, dear god…
| 517 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:22:34pm |
re: #513 Aceofwhat?
He’s reserved some property on South Beach in Miami for the coming weekend.
What do you think might happen?
| 518 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:23:30pm |
re: #515 HoosierHoops
It’s threads like these where actual topics get discussed, mostly in a civil way, that bring me here all the time. The bar fights are occasionally fun. Just not as an all the time thing.
| 519 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:23:46pm |
re: #517 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He’s reserved some property on South Beach in Miami for the coming weekend.
What do you think might happen?
i think he’s leaving me for the south beach, too.
| 521 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:24:46pm |
re: #520 Irenicum
Isn’t the Lebron news conference scheduled for 9pm eastern?
yep. and i’m a big enough dork to tune in.
| 522 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:25:48pm |
re: #519 Aceofwhat?
Nothing personal, but I’ve been to Cleveland. Everybody else is figuring out how to get out, but want LeBron to stay in?
Nope.
I’ve been to South Beach also. I think I’d go too.
| 523 |
HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:25:51pm |
re: #520 Irenicum
Isn’t the Lebron news conference scheduled for 9pm eastern?
Yes! Yes! Yes!
There will be a new King James Version tonight
| 526 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:27:58pm |
re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nothing personal, but I’ve been to Cleveland. Everybody else is figuring out how to get out, but want LeBron to stay in?
Nope.
I’ve been to South Beach also. I think I’d go too.
Heh. i lived there for…let me think…about 10 years. it was fine.
but i’m not exactly looking to run back, you know? so I’ll be sad if he leaves, but i sure as hell can’t blame him.
| 527 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:28:34pm |
re: #510 HoosierHoops
Actually I only checked in to post an apology to various people upstairs. After that I may well go hide my head in shame for a while.
| 528 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:29:27pm |
re: #527 Cato the Elder
Actually I only checked in to post an apology to various people upstairs. After that I may well go hide my head in shame for a while.
don’t. it’s better with you here.
| 529 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:30:51pm |
re: #511 Aceofwhat?
ethically, yes. physically, not even close.
(…i thought you were an atheist?)
I didn’t say ethically by accident, but what does one call someone who doesn’t have the courage of their convictions (aka ethics)?
Yes I have been an atheist most of my life. What does that have to do with it?
| 530 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:31:58pm |
Let’s hope Al Gore is starting up his “Awesome Weather Machine”. I hear thunder. We’ve had no rain for a month…
See y’all tomorrow.
| 531 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:32:32pm |
re: #530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops! Spoke too soon… Gonna go read some Cato first.
| 532 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:33:31pm |
re: #523 HoosierHoops
Oh great, now we can start a King James Only thread!
| 533 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:34:33pm |
re: #529 Naso Tang
Yes I have been an atheist most of my life. What does that have to do with it?
I would assume that you wouldn’t care much about what people are praying for, since in your opinion, it has all the effect of wishing upon a star. I’d also assume that you’d be the first to say that because there will be no practical effect of prayer, the real-world effects of such activities are quite irrelevant.
If I assume incorrectly, please feel free to clarify.
| 534 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:35:48pm |
re: #533 Aceofwhat?
I think (I could be wrong) that his ethical concern is with the mindset, where it’s physically acted out or just thought/prayed. And on that I agree.
| 535 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:38:02pm |
re: #533 Aceofwhat?
I would assume that you wouldn’t care much about what people are praying for, since in your opinion, it has all the effect of wishing upon a star. I’d also assume that you’d be the first to say that because there will be no practical effect of prayer, the real-world effects of such activities are quite irrelevant.
If I assume incorrectly, please feel free to clarify.
I care about people, and what people think. Does that answer your question?
| 537 |
HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:40:28pm |
re: #518 Irenicum
It’s threads like these where actual topics get discussed, mostly in a civil way, that bring me here all the time. The bar fights are occasionally fun. Just not as an all the time thing.
I’m almost at 25000 updings…I find the secret is to engage Lizards in a mature manner..and when a fight breaks out…Walk over to the bar, order a beer and watch the shit go down…
I find, from my first day here importantly was to show respect for others.. Well..There have been a few fights..I have said a few things…Dang..Some really ugly stuff…I regret some things I’ve said here…On the other hand..Some people deserved being burnt..Esp those that attacked others just because they hold an opposing view.. I hate that..This is America..We have a right to have an opinion…
So Thank you for almost 25000 updings my friends…
Thank you for a Mature Board that still is Anti-Idiot
| 538 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:41:06pm |
re: #527 Cato the Elder
Actually I only checked in to post an apology to various people upstairs. After that I may well go hide my head in shame for a while.
Nooooooooooo
Come back Cato.
| 539 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:41:45pm |
re: #535 Naso Tang
I care about people, and what people think. Does that answer your question?
Not really. If that were all, i’d expect you to call out people wishing or desiring Israel’s destruction, which would naturally include those praying for Israel’s discussion.
So i was curious about whether there was a conscious reason why you excluded the non-prayers who wish for Israel’s destruction.
| 540 |
HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:42:07pm |
re: #527 Cato the Elder
Actually I only checked in to post an apology to various people upstairs. After that I may well go hide my head in shame for a while.
Say 15 Hail Mary’s and come back here you big goof…
| 541 |
iceweasel Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:44:39pm |
re: #527 Cato the Elder
Actually I only checked in to post an apology to various people upstairs. After that I may well go hide my head in shame for a while.
Hey! Stick around, cutie! Good to see you!
i owe you a phone call too— sorry, I was just freakin exhausted last night and it was late before I knew it. :(
| 542 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:47:17pm |
OK Everyone -
Here is How I understand the “Deal.” Muslims should be allowed to build mosques, where and when they want, within the same rules/laws as Churches, Synagogues, Ashrams, etc. - this IS America the last time I looked.
Said Mosques should also be held to the SAME Tax Exempt Rules as Churches, Synagogues, Ashrams, et. al.
That said, I believe the “Cordoba Islamic Center” to be insensitive in the extreme, especially considering the taqqiyah answers one gets about the financing of that Mosque. Just my “two cents” in this matter.
-S-
| 543 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:49:12pm |
re: #539 Aceofwhat?
Not really. If that were all, i’d expect you to call out people wishing or desiring Israel’s destruction, which would naturally include those praying for Israel’s discussion.
So i was curious about whether there was a conscious reason why you excluded the non-prayers who wish for Israel’s destruction.
I said “wishing/praying”, which includes all of the above, although in this particular discussion it was concerning those who do so from a purely religious, prophetic basis.
Regarding your assumption that I think prayer is irrelevant in the real word; I certainly don’t. People act on their own prayers and on those of others regardless of whether a deity does.
| 544 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:49:58pm |
re: #543 Naso Tang
I said “wishing/praying”, which includes all of the above, although in this particular discussion it was concerning those who do so from a purely religious, prophetic basis.
Regarding your assumption that I think prayer is irrelevant in the real word; I certainly don’t. People act on their own prayers and on those of others regardless of whether a deity does.
ok. thanks.
| 545 |
Four More Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:53:46pm |
What the fuck happened to Gallagher???
Not that I ever found him the least bit funny.
| 546 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:54:08pm |
re: #503 Cato the Elder
Cato -
Pam, she who doesn’t like me much, is “orange” by “QT” or, other tanning, or bad color correction in her pictures, and is, politics forgotten, an attractive female human being.
She is not the sacrificial animal of the Old Testament.
-S-
| 547 |
darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:55:07pm |
re: #461 Aceofwhat?
Darthstar fights flame with butterflies…i fight it with Strangelove. We all have our styles-
Both seem to work equally well. :)
| 548 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:58:42pm |
re: #545 JasonA
What the fuck happened to Gallagher???
Not that I ever found him the least bit funny.
JasonA -
Gallagher went the SAME WAY as “LIONEL” when WABC Radio, NY decided their time was over. LIONEL was more fun, but screwed up royally in comments made to a female reporter, as I recall - Liz Trotta.
-S-
| 549 |
HoosierHoops Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:59:00pm |
I’m terrified what I might post after King James does his whole hour long program ala American Idol show tonight..It’s possible that the Big lead is on High alert for the Hoopster…
I have never seen this in my life in Sports…Not Magic, Not Bird, Not Jordan…
I find it sickening for Basketball..
There is only one road to redemption for King James… Stay Home and be a hero….Unless you want your ‘brand’ to be hated by most fans..
I see 99 million/5 years to play in Miami..
| 550 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:06:45pm |
re: #507 Irenicum
Actually I do Obdicut. Radical Islamists want to wear the boots on the ground during the fighting, radical Christians hope to “flip the switch” that will provoke the fighting in order to bring on the end. There is a difference there. I think that’s Walters point.
And my point is I never said the Christians would physically start a war.
| 551 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:13:08pm |
re: #550 Obdicut
And my point is I never said the Christians would physically start a war.
I ripped this from a hardcore site that might not be welcome here (Worldview). They freaked over this study from Ft. Leavenworth. It contains the url to a .pdf file. Officers write such theses for review during Command and General Staff College and similar courses.
Dated: May 22, 2008
By Major Brian L. Stuckert, U.S. Army
School of Advanced Military Studies
United States Army Command and General Staff College
Fort Leavenworth, KS 66027
Name of Responsible Person: Stefan Banach, COL, US Army
Telephone Number:[no phone numbers allowed]
This is the document for your reading: Strategic Implications of American Millennialism
URL: [Link: www.dtic.mil…]
| 552 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:15:28pm |
re: #494 b_sharp
Yes, of course. A handgun and a taser look and feel exactly the same.
If this nut is mistaking a loaded handgun for a taser, he should never have been anywhere near a handgun.
Hell, a pea-shooter would have been too much for him.
No, they don’t. It’s a mental mistake.
Otherwise, you think he just decided, in front of tons of witnesses, while being recorded, to simply shoot someone, knowing that he would go to jail, lose his job, etc. This wasn’t being done in some back alley somewhere. This was in front of witnesses.
There are plenty of cases of cops actually being complete assholes, and murdering people. Let’s go after those.
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