Live Video: Christine O’Donnell vs. Chris Coons
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:31:09pm |
Not trying to pimp too much, but,
I posted the Thermo lecture you wanted. I am somehow sure that in the science denial portion, of the debate, the second law will come up.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:32:04pm |
My mom's watching Alex Trebeck, otherwise I'd be going all MST3K on this thing....
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:32:36pm |
can you post streaming video without paying for it? just curious...
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:34:00pm |
re: #3 brookly red
can you post streaming video without paying for it? just curious...
oh another site... never mind.
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SteelGHAZI Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:36:09pm |
OT: According to my mum, Mr. President is a coke dealer.
And she wonders why everyone around her is proclaiming her to be insane.
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Randall Gross Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:36:30pm |
There is a clear choice-- vote for wanking!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:36:37pm |
The debt? Failed spending bills?
The debt was primarily created under Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. Look at the numbers!
Lost jobs? Excuse me? The GOP killed the Jobs bill!
Special interests? Since when is the religious right not a special interest?!?
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allegro Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:39:37pm |
Oh jeez, she's blaming job losses of the past two years on him! The stupid just freaking burns.
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Randall Gross Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:39:51pm |
Dem offers concrete plans, Christine offers attacks, and zero plans.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:39:51pm |
re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote
The debt? Failed spending bills?
The debt was primarily created under Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. Look at the numbers!
Lost jobs? Excuse me? The GOP killed the Jobs bill!
Special interests? Since when is the religious right not a special interest?!?
Thank you for your interest in CSNBC. Our human resources department will review your application & you will be contacted if your experience & skill set meet our current hiring criteria.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:40:00pm |
OK, all she's doing is complaining and acting like a reporter. She didn't say what she would DO.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:40:10pm |
Creating a "culture of dependency"?
Is it better we should let people go without food?
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allegro Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:42:19pm |
He is doing a wonderful job of calling out her bullshit. :)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:42:52pm |
Excuse me, the stimulus bill did not loose jobs and as far as food stamps or welfare, since when has a Republican believed in helping people out like that?
Where did that tax hike kick in?
Cultural dependency?
Tax cuts for the rich are small businesses? Are you serious?
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:43:21pm |
She's lying.
The taxes on a business are not on the "before they pay their employees" gross revenue. That's utter bullshit.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:43:24pm |
Delaware Unemployment:
August 2009: 8.2 percent
August 2010: 8.5 percent
Net changes: plus zero point three percent.
[Link: www.bls.gov...]
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pharmmajor Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:43:46pm |
They should have invited Jim Rash to the debate as well. The people of Delaware need to know they have more than two choices:
[Link: www.jimrash.com...]
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:45:00pm |
That's a great question, and I'm not going to answer it.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:45:43pm |
re: #21 pharmmajor
They should have invited Jim Rash to the debate as well. The people of Delaware need to know they have more than two choices:
[Link: www.jimrash.com...]
Lol.
Issue: Global WarmingWell, Washington’s finally found a way to declare War on the Weather. The research doesn’t support it.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:46:13pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:46:47pm |
I have not seen a mismatch like this since, well ever.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:48:38pm |
re: #26 Rightwingconspirator
I have not seen a mismatch like this since, well ever.
Its worse than Palin V Biden?
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:49:03pm |
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:49:29pm |
"You're bad with your own money, how can you handle ours?"
It was a computer error. Lots of people are bad with money.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:49:36pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:50:19pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
She just said he has a graduate degree from Claremont.
Nods! That was a lie wasn't it?
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pharmmajor Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:50:53pm |
re: #24 Varek Raith
Lol.
Okay, I'll admit that Rash is wrong on global warming. But he gets a lot of other issues right.
Same-Sex Marriage:
I will not be part of any effort to deny any American the pursuit of happiness.What part of the Constitution gives the government the right to decide who can be married and who can’t? Marriage licenses need to be eliminated. George and Martha Washington didn’t have one.
Americans who wanted to get married weren't required to be licensed until the time of the War for Southern Independence (aka Civil War) when the government would not allow blacks and whites to intermarry. Now they’re being used to discriminate against gays.
Discrimination by the government is not only unconstitutional, it’s reprehensible.
The War on Drugs:
Drug laws must be approached sensibly. If there is not a victim, there is not a crime.Plants such as marijuana (cannabanoids) should be removed from the Controlled Substances Schedule immediately.
Currently, the government is focused on arresting the user and cutting off the supplier’s down line. Targeting smugglers, instead, seems appropriate.
I would never advocate a minor smoking pot, but jail certainly isn’t the place a teenager belongs for getting caught with a joint. And, if a full grown adult chooses to use marijuana, he/she should enjoy their right to do just that.
The government has no authority to control what a person puts in his or her body. Since it took a constitutional amendment to make alcohol illegal, shouldn’t it have taken a constitutional amendment to enact the prohibition of drugs?
Illegal Immigration:
... Unquestionably, there are people who have been in this country illegally for 20 years or more. Many of them were children when their parents chose to violate our immigration laws. Those children grew up here and only know the United States as their home. I would like to think that more than not have become productive members of our society. I see no reason to disallow citizenship to those brought here illegally as children.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:51:50pm |
re: #40 pharmmajor
Yeah, but, an alarming number of Libertarians are anti science.
Why?
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:52:24pm |
Others noticed:
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Montesquieu: O'D.Wasn't that degree from Claremont sorta debunked? Wasn't that the 8 hour course?
Twitter -
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bubbaprog: O'Donnell brags about her "graduate fellowship at the Claremont Institute." Despite its name, that is not an institution of higher learning.
Twitter -
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1 minute ago
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:52:40pm |
re: #42 Varek Raith
Yeah, but, an alarming number of Libertarians are anti science.
Why?
Because there's nothing that says freedom from "the man" than being able to invent your own scientific facts rather than having to listen to what people who have spent millions of dollars studying something have to say.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:52:50pm |
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Randall Gross Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:58:08pm |
re: #47 sagehen
Yes she is. Also note that anyone who doesn't realize that at some point we will need to make peace with the remainder of the Taliban doesn't understand the conflict and doesn't belong in office.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:58:32pm |
We were fighting the Soviets in A-stan in the 80s!?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:58:48pm |
We were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 90's? OMG.... Did she actually say that?
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Randall Gross Wed, Oct 13, 2010 4:59:07pm |
We weren't fighting the Soviets, the mujahadeen was... Pakistan was...
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:00:01pm |
re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote
We were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 90's? OMG... Did she actually say that?
With our Gundams made of gundanium!
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SteelGHAZI Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:00:12pm |
Wow. Critical Research Failure indeed...
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:00:19pm |
re: #53 Thanos
We weren't fighting the Soviets, the mujahadeen was... Pakistan was...
She was there. Had a fellowship to a madrassah.
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pharmmajor Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:01:36pm |
re: #42 Varek Raith
Yeah, but, an alarming number of Libertarians are anti science.
Why?
Much of the denial comes from a skeptical analysis of many of the proposed policies to combat climate change. Consider what environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg said:
What is your position on global warming?
Global warming is real - it is man-made and it is an important problem. But it is not the end of the world.You have been branded a climate-change denier. Have you changed your mind?
No, I haven't changed my mind, but the global warming debate is so polarised that there is space for only two possible viewpoints: either it's the end of the world, or you think it is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated. Because I dared to be sceptical, a lot of people pushed me into the deniers' camp.Are you still sceptical?
I have been sceptical all along, but about the solution. Our current solution - the Kyoto approach - doesn't work.What's not working?
The UN summits are PR vehicles for politicians so they can all get together and look like they're doing something.What's your view of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change?
I would say 90 per cent of what the panel tells us is right, which is pretty good for a very complex subject. But the UN-led policy solutions are incredibly poor.So what's your solution?
We need to invest dramatically in green energy, making solar panels so cheap that everybody wants them. Nobody wanted to buy a computer in 1950, but once they got cheap, everyone bought them.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:02:05pm |
re: #57 brookly red
OK so much for unbiased moderation...
Sometimes you can only be so moderate before needing to roll your eyes in disbelief...
Wolf Blitzer is a old model though, the new moderators all wear sunglasses with exactly this situation in mind!
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ignoranceisfatal Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:02:27pm |
Coons is a pretty impressive debater. This is an epic mismatch.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:03:40pm |
re: #61 ignoranceisfatal
Coons is a pretty impressive debater. This is an epic mismatch.
Yeah Christine O'Donnell isn't even an impressive master....
(Sorry bad joke...)
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Intenzity Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:03:46pm |
No..she said "graduate fellowship" not degree. Reminds me of the "Scientician" from the Simpsons film strip.
As Lewis Black might say - this chick is stone cold fuck nuts. Its like watching a debate between a junior high debutante and a grown-up. It's embarrassing.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:03:48pm |
re: #60 jamesfirecat
Sometimes you can only be so moderate before needing to roll your eyes in disbelief...
Wolf Blitzer is a old model though, the new moderators all wear sunglasses with exactly this situation in mind!
perhaps, but I am not taking much faith in the "process"...
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:05:17pm |
re: #66 Intenzity
No..she said "graduate fellowship" not degree. Reminds me of the "Scientician" from the Simpsons film strip.
As Lewis Black might say - this chick is stone cold fuck nuts. Its like watching a debate between a junior high debutante and a grown-up. It's embarrassing.
I didn't catch the exact quote. But she did say the word "graduate" and it wasn't even a graduate program. Just some dumb week long "fellowship".
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:05:53pm |
re: #69 Gus 802
She sounds like an idiot laughing into the microphone.
Not very...
professional,
either.
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ignoranceisfatal Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:06:09pm |
Is she *really* calling him a Marxist? Really?
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:06:55pm |
re: #70 Varek Raith
Not very...
professional,
either.
Robert Spencer was doing that too a couple of weeks ago. It really dumb.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:07:10pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:07:42pm |
re: #72 ignoranceisfatal
Is she *really* calling him a Marxist? Really?
Anyone to the left of her is a MARXISTCOMMIEBASTARD.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:09:17pm |
Scheisse, I missed it. What did she say about evolution?
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:09:55pm |
but where is the debating part? there is no debate here just a knife fight with moderators... I am disappointed in the whole thing.
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Stanghazi Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:10:12pm |
re: #79 Charles
Scheisse, I missed it. What did she say about evolution?
Leave it up to the schools. Or something along that line.
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Randall Gross Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:10:13pm |
re: #79 Charles
She dodged into teach the controversy land w/o answering the question.
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ignoranceisfatal Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:10:20pm |
re: #79 Charles
Scheisse, I missed it. What did she say about evolution?
"My opinion isn't relevant."
"It's something that should be decided on the local school level."
or something like that.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:10:25pm |
re: #81 brookly red
but where is the debating part? there is no debate here just a knife fight with moderators... I am disappointed in the whole thing.
Knife fight? Nah, this is mild.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:11:00pm |
re: #85 Gus 802
Knife fight? Nah, this is mild.
She brought a butter knife.
Everyone else is packing Doom Stars.
/
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:11:06pm |
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:11:06pm |
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Randall Gross Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:11:08pm |
It should be up to local schools not the {black robed TYRANTS!} Supreme Court
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Intenzity Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:11:44pm |
but where is the debating part
How do you debate her? How can you have a debate when one person does not agree what reality is?
I think he is doing the best thing, just being rational and adult and letting her unravel her greatest-hits-of-crazy unimpeded. The people who are going to vote for her are going to vote for her no matter what, and the rest of the folks will just see how ridiculous she is.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:12:37pm |
re: #89 Obdicut
You're probably equally disappointed in both candidates, I expect?
Sigh.
I'd vote for Coons. But I tell you though. She's doing better than I expected.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:12:46pm |
re: #89 Obdicut
You're probably equally disappointed in both candidates, I expect?
Sigh.
actually I am disappointed that this sound bite fest is passed off as debate...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:12:49pm |
re: #59 pharmmajor
Bjorn Lomborg is an economist who has since recanted much of his former BS.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:13:29pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
I'd vote for Coons. But I tell you though. She's doing better than I expected.
I know!
She's coming off as nuts.
I thought she go full blown bat shit!
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:14:23pm |
re: #95 Varek Raith
I know!
She's coming off as nuts.
I thought she go full blown bat shit!
Needs more cowbell wingnut.
//
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:14:24pm |
She's right on the inadequacy of Obamacare.
Single Payer!! WOOO!!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:14:50pm |
Wow lies about Health care... Go figure. And then to complain it doesn't do enough when the GOP did everything in its power to kill it!
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ignoranceisfatal Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:15:05pm |
re: #97 Decatur Deb
She's right on the inadequacy of Obamacare.
Single Payer!! WOOO!!
Sure sounded like she was going there at the beginning of her answer, didn't it?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:15:31pm |
re: #95 Varek Raith
I know!
She's coming off as nuts.
I thought she go full blown bat shit!
Give her time. The spin meisters can't take all the crazy out.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:17:06pm |
Gee, maybe if we spent more than 60 seconds per topic we could call this a debate..
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Intenzity Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:18:33pm |
She's doing better than I expected
All I hear from her is the hastily memorized talking points from 3 X 5 cards given to her during a marathon sessions with Luntz and Associations debate coaching at $5,000 an hour. All she is doing is stringing together pre-digested phrases that there is NO WAY she wrote. She can't even pronounce some of the big words correctly and clearly does not understand the underlying issues she is talking about. Does this sound like a person that knows any thing at all about economics, national security, or creating political partnerships???
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:18:40pm |
re: #105 Stanley Sea
WHAT?
Uncle Sam in the exam room!
/shit look at the poster, he already has gloves on!
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:19:03pm |
re: #102 Gus 802
In case someone has missed it:
Atul Gawande's comparison of vastly different health care costs in two areas of Texas under the same regulatory environment, after tort reform had passed:
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]
Doctors order unnecessary tests just to protect themselves, he said. Everyone thought the lawyers here were worse than elsewhere.
That explanation puzzled me. Several years ago, Texas passed a tough malpractice law that capped pain-and-suffering awards at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Didn’t lawsuits go down?
“Practically to zero,” the cardiologist admitted.
Did not bring down medical costs one whit.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:19:30pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:20:51pm |
I shouldn't be forced to pay for wars!
/O'Donnell Logic!
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:21:34pm |
Gee with billions of dollars in the mix I wish we could have more than 60 seconds per issue...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:22:10pm |
And there we have it... NO one should pay for someone else's health care! She bleats...
How Christian!
Because we know Jesus would want granny to die on the street because she was poor and no one would care for her.
Does anyone on the GOP side care how evil their stances are by the standpoints of the religions they claim to embrace?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:23:35pm |
I'm enjoying this--for an hour the format makes her the face of the GOP.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:24:22pm |
I want to pass a law that if you put salad on the menu it has at least 4 ingredients... a debate should also have several rounds of point & counter point... this is not a debate.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:24:54pm |
re: #120 brookly red
I want to pass a law that if you put salad on the menu it has at least 4 ingredients... a debate should also have several rounds of point & counter point... this is not a debate.
She would be eaten alive in such a debate.
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allegro Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:25:57pm |
re: #120 brookly red
a debate should also have several rounds of point & counter point... this is not a debate.
That wouldn't make this a debate. In order to have a debate you have to have at least two literate people with a clue. In this case, there is only one... and it isn't Christine.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:26:23pm |
Obama doesn't think illegal aliens should be deported?
Since when?
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:26:44pm |
re: #123 Charles
Obama doesn't think illegal aliens should be deported?
Since when?
Deportations are up under Obama.
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joest73 Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:26:58pm |
She does have more fallback buzzwords than Sarah Palin.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:27:32pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:27:33pm |
OK, I am going to do some work now. This wretched she creature is leaching IQ points out of my brain. I can feel them being suppressed.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:28:30pm |
re: #131 LudwigVanQuixote
OK, I am going to do some work now. This wretched she creature is leaching IQ points out of my brain. I can feel them being suppressed.
You're watching this sober?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:29:02pm |
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joest73 Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:29:09pm |
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:29:10pm |
re: #121 Varek Raith
She would be eaten alive in such a debate.
re: #122 allegro
That wouldn't make this a debate. In order to have a debate you have to have at least two literate people with a clue. In this case, there is only one... and it isn't Christine.
perhaps but this is a joke...
OK throw as much shit as you can in 30 seconds. Discussion? we don't need no stinkin discussion. This is pretty dismal.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:29:46pm |
OT, but there's now only one miner left to be rescued! 29 year old Ariel Ticona watched the birth of his daughter 40 days into the ordeal.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:30:17pm |
re: #137 joest73
Not even close...she is in Alvin Greene territory.
Nah. At least her mom and dad will vote for her.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:30:26pm |
Did someone just shout something? What was said? My video messed up.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:30:55pm |
re: #141 LudwigVanQuixote
Did someone just shout something? What was said? My video messed up.
Sounded like caveman speak here.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:31:24pm |
DADT has nothing to do with behavior...
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:31:39pm |
re: #48 Thanos
Yes she is. Also note that anyone who doesn't realize that at some point we will need to make peace with the remainder of the Taliban doesn't understand the conflict and doesn't belong in office.
Will the Taliban make peace?
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:32:14pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:32:46pm |
Judges legislate from the bench? Excuse me?
And the President is the supreme commander... so if she are right about that then Obama just orders it away. And if you don't think Congress should force this on the military, then well Congress should not have written a law against being openly gay.
Intellectually honest? Her? Private interests determine research?
Snowflake babies?
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:32:58pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:33:25pm |
Good idea: do not pick your nose immediately after dicing a habanero.
Although, it's strangely pleasurable...
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:33:48pm |
The abortion question. She said the "rape and incest" exception is a "scare tactic."
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:34:10pm |
Answer the question bitch. So are you saying that women should be forced to carry in the case of rape and incest even if it is 1%? Yes or no?
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:34:52pm |
re: #150 negativ
Good idea: do not pick your nose immediately after dicing a habanero.
Although, it's strangely pleasurable...
I was gonna order Mexican but I am thinking Chinese now...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:34:57pm |
There is only one head of the US military. That is the President!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:35:30pm |
re: #126 Gus 802
Deportations are up under Obama.
That's just him trying to lure us into a false sense of security!
It's the same reason he's been using drone strikes to kill all those terrorists!
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:35:47pm |
Finally Coons brings up racial integration. Whew. Was hoping he would.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:35:57pm |
Tomorrow's Brietbart headline: COONS SAYS MILITARY SHOULD NOT BE RACIALLY INTEGRATED
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:36:06pm |
Coons on Truman and integration- so on target.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:37:04pm |
re: #155 LudwigVanQuixote
There is only one head of the US military. That is the President!
may be, but the Supremes said you can get head in the military.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:37:37pm |
re: #160 Capitalist Tool
may be, but the Supremes said you can get head in the military.
If you keep your mouth shut.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:37:57pm |
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:38:12pm |
isn't disclosing contributions the same as disclosing the vote??? nawww
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:38:19pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:39:32pm |
Wait? She doesn't want her supporters being out in the open? Uhuh, while she is cranky at Reid for having back room players?
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:40:08pm |
re: #164 brookly red
isn't disclosing contributions the same as disclosing the vote??? nawww
Not even close.
Excuse me for wanting to know if this aid I'm seeing that said Tobacco is totally cool was paid for by Philip Morris or whatever they call themselves these days....
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:40:19pm |
re: #160 Capitalist Tool
may be, but the Supremes said you can get head in the military.
no that was from the military, not in the military...
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:41:17pm |
re: #166 LudwigVanQuixote
Wait? She doesn't want her supporters being out in the open? Uhuh, while she is cranky at Reid for having back room players?
Don't worry. The wingers will be screaming once they see the unions using the Citizen's United decision.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:41:57pm |
re: #170 Gus 802
Don't worry. The wingers will be screaming once they see the unions using the Citizen's United decision.
UNIOOOooo000NSSS!!!111
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Stanghazi Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:42:33pm |
re: #172 joest73
She uses here hands too much...
I've been able to check them for writing. Nada that I can see.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:42:34pm |
I am donating $10 to Sestak tonight. Go, Dems!!!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:42:38pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:43:22pm |
I would like to clarify that I am not now, nor have I ever been, a spelunker.
For a really good reason.
I hope you will still vote for me.
*This message paid for by EmmmieG for chocolate inspector*
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joest73 Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:44:03pm |
oh...no..... just like that moment in an interview...where you draw a blank....
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:44:29pm |
Uh, SCOTUS never decided on Miranda Rights for terrorists.
Did they?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:44:36pm |
There it is, she ran out of steam and Wolf had to help her....
Ohh what decision about pornography?
She doesn't know much about the supreme court does she? Yet she is upset about legislation from the bench...
Leave the GOP to be profoundly ignorant... Ahhh energy!
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:45:16pm |
re: #186 LudwigVanQuixote
There it is, she ran out of steam and Wolf had to help her...
Ohh what decision about pornography?
She doesn't know much about the supreme court does she? Yet she is upset about legislation from the bench...
Leave the GOP to be profoundly ignorant... Ahhh energy!
OH GOD KEEP HER OUT OF MY PORN!
Wait.....
Whut?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:45:25pm |
re: #183 joest73
oh...no... just like that moment in an interview...where you draw a blank...
That's usually when they ask me, "So! Tell me about yourself."
Vapor lock, every damned time.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:46:42pm |
well fortunately shockwave flash has crashed yet again so I can't see or hear any of this tripe... could it be divine intervention? LOL
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:46:53pm |
re: #187 Varek Raith
OH GOD KEEP HER OUT OF MY PORN!
Wait...
Whut?
We already know she doesn't like Masturbation, trying to cut down on porn is the next logical step..
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:47:34pm |
Cap and trade... was a REAGAN initiative! Palin ran on it!
So her solution to fixing carbon footprint is to do nothing?
Lame duck session with Harry Reid? Only if Angle wins. And she won't.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:47:38pm |
re: #176 Decatur Deb
stopit
im gonna fall outta my chair
no, don't stop
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:48:57pm |
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joest73 Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:49:24pm |
re: #188 negativ
That's usually when they ask me, "So! Tell me about yourself."
Vapor lock, every damned time.
For me it was "What kind of animal are you"
I laughed and asked the lady if she was serious......
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:49:29pm |
re: #191 jamesfirecat
We already know she doesn't like Masturbation, trying to cut down on porn is the next logical step..
O'Donnell talks a good fundie game by denouncing masturbation and pr0n, but I'll bet that there's some (more) good hypocritical shit in her closet. Female versions of "rent boys", perhaps?
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:49:38pm |
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:50:19pm |
re: #200 Gus 802
She doesn't want to see oil rigs off the coast of Delaware!
LOL
I don't want oil in my crabcakes either...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:50:37pm |
Rock on! Coons! Wind and Solar and updating the grid! That is real.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:51:34pm |
re: #199 talon_262
O'Donnell talks a good fundie game by denouncing masturbation and pr0n, but I'll bet that there's some (more) good hypocritical shit in her closet. Female versions of "rent boys", perhaps?
You know I don't think the US has ever had a governmental lesbian sex scandle, the closest we've ever come is a lesbian bondage fiasco....
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:51:55pm |
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:52:02pm |
re: #205 LudwigVanQuixote
Rock on! Coons! Wind and Solar and updating the grid! That is real.
yeah, yeah, but talk is cheap
gimme $1 a watt cells and watch me turn my roof shiny
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:52:41pm |
re: #207 jamesfirecat
You know I don't think the US has ever had a governmental lesbian sex scandle, the closest we've ever come is a lesbian bondage fiasco...
/Hillary in 2012!
ducks & covers...
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:53:05pm |
re: #207 jamesfirecat
You know I don't think the US has ever had a governmental lesbian sex scandle, the closest we've ever come is a lesbian bondage fiasco...
Whispering campaigns were used against Eleanor Roosevelt and Janet Reno.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:53:11pm |
Yeah right. If you're going to represent Delaware you'll have to deal with two very powerful industries: the credit card companies and the chemical industry. It's DuPont country.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:54:23pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
Whispering campaigns were used against Eleanor Roosevelt and Janet Reno.
hopefully not at the same time
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:54:53pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
Whispering campaigns were used against Eleanor Roosevelt and Janet Reno.
True, but I mean we've never had anything confirmed...
Wow, Eleanor Roosevelt....
(Somebody needs to break into a long rambling story kind of joke about that...)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:55:14pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:55:44pm |
re: #218 jamesfirecat
True, but I mean we've never had anything confirmed...
Wow, Eleanor Roosevelt...
(Somebody needs to break into a long rambling story kind of joke about that...)
History to you, current events to me.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:55:48pm |
re: #218 jamesfirecat
True, but I mean we've never had anything confirmed...
Wow, Eleanor Roosevelt...
(Somebody needs to break into a long rambling story kind of joke about that...)
why are you just waiting to lap it up?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:57:17pm |
And lie lie smear smear she wraps up and then waves the flag!
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General Nimrod Bodfish Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:57:38pm |
At 8:55 PM EDT, Luis Uzua, the shift foreman of the San Jose copper mine, was pulled from the mine, thus ending the 63 day ordeal for the 33 miners! All 33 miners are all apparently okay, but they will visit the hospital for further evaluation!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:57:38pm |
Triumph over freedom she said. That part is true.
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joest73 Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:57:56pm |
re: #214 Charles
"Lock step and barrel?"
LOL!
The Republican Party has lost its way," O'Donnell said. "They get behind candidates like my opponent who don't even support the Republican platform, who continue to support the Democrats' agenda, lock-step-and-barrel.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:58:10pm |
She just said Coons is "in lock step" with Barack Obama. I'll bet she was rehearsing her closing statement in her head.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:58:29pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 5:59:40pm |
Well, she did better than I thought she would, which is to say she didn't come off as bad as she has so many times in the past. I wish that Coons would have pinned her down some more, but he obviously came off as the one with a clue.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:00:07pm |
Help! I had CNN on and there's the president of Chile again!
Noooooooooooooooo!
//
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:00:58pm |
re: #232 Varek Raith
What an ordeal.
and when you think of all the electricity spent on this BS , now thats a foot print!
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:01:32pm |
re: #235 Stanley Sea
Did they? I lost feed now it's just the title.
Seemed like it. Maybe they did but I was distracted a bit.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:01:45pm |
re: #236 brookly red
and when you think of all the electricity spent on this BS , now thats a foot print!
Hopefully the GOP will learn just how stupid nominating her was.
/Wishful thinking.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:02:12pm |
re: #233 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, she did better than I thought she would, which is to say she didn't come off as bad as she has so many times in the past. I wish that Coons would have pinned her down some more, but he obviously came off as the one with a clue.
Coons pinning her down? you need to have a cold shower :)
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:03:05pm |
33 for 33. Yay! 33 miracle men.
Watching the rescued miners sing. Is that their national anthem?
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darthstar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:03:19pm |
Ugh...listened to the debate on the way home, then saw PG&E working on the lines down the road from my house and knew...Shit! no power. Fired up the generator, got the satellite rebooted, and just as the debate came on they cut away...oh, and the cable was down so no internet...anyway, ran the dogs and now the internet is back, but I'm low on generator gas, so I'll have to make a run soon enough.
I have to hand it to O'Donnell...she's not as slow on her feet as Palin is...though she still says wildly stupid shit. Going to see what everyone else's take on the debate was upthread now...
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Digital Display Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:03:21pm |
The last of the miners have been rescued.. 8:01 CT.. Man if this moment doesn't bring a tear to your eye you aren't human..
Congrads
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:03:46pm |
re: #238 Varek Raith
Hopefully the GOP will learn just how stupid nominating her was.
/Wishful thinking.
I have a feeling November is going to be a bad day for you...
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:04:08pm |
re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote
Triumph over freedom she said. That part is true.
People make misstatements while they talk. We all do it. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on that one.
There's plenty of other stuff....
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:04:11pm |
Evening lizards!
I just saw the last Chilean miner rescued. What a fantastic job they did to rescue those guys.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:04:57pm |
re: #241 darthstar
pick us up a pizza while yer out, k?
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wee fury Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:05:11pm |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards!
I just saw the last Chilean miner rescued. What a fantastic job they did to rescue those guys.
Now to bring the Medics back up.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:05:43pm |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards!
I just saw the last Chilean miner rescued. What a fantastic job they did to rescue those guys.
yes !! doesn't this whole rescue just give you the warm fuzzies?
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darthstar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:06:26pm |
re: #16 Gus 802
Delaware is a freaking corporate tax shelter state. Of sorts.
Yep...a California based company I used to work for re-incorporated in Delaware for that purpose...then they got bought by Oracle.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:06:31pm |
re: #246 Capitalist Tool
pick us up a pizza while yer out, k?
and don't you dare show up wit pineapple...
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:07:23pm |
re: #170 Gus 802
Don't worry. The wingers will be screaming once they see the unions using the Citizen's United decision.
or Bill Gates (richest man in America).
or Warren Buffett (2nd richest)
or Mike Bloomberg (8th richest)
or the google guys (9th and 10th richest).
or George Soros (14th richest).
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:08:45pm |
re: #251 sagehen
or Bill Gates (richest man in America).
or Warren Buffett (2nd richest)
or Mike Bloomberg (8th richest)
or the google guys (9th and 10th richest).
or George Soros (14th richest).
Ooh, ooh ooh, are we playing name that felon?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:09:12pm |
re: #248 Capitalist Tool
yes !! doesn't this whole rescue just give you the warm fuzzies?
It's wonderful to watch. Most of the time all we see is idiotic politics and negative news about the economy & terror. This is great news to see for a change.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:09:25pm |
re: #251 sagehen
or Bill Gates (richest man in America).
or Warren Buffett (2nd richest)
or Mike Bloomberg (8th richest)
or the google guys (9th and 10th richest).
or George Soros (14th richest).
SORRRRROOO000SS!
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:09:46pm |
re: #252 brookly red
Ooh, ooh ooh, are we playing name that felon?
Nope, just the guys who earned and not inherited their wealth who support higher taxes on the rich.
;)
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:09:47pm |
re: #252 brookly red
Ooh, ooh ooh, are we playing name that felon?
And people say its the liberals who hate the rich.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:10:57pm |
re: #256 jamesfirecat
And people say its the liberals who hate the rich.
I don't hate em... I just wish one of em would give me a job.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:11:38pm |
re: #258 brookly red
I don't hate em... I just wish one of em would give me a job.
Well maybe you'd have more luck at job interviews if you didn't refer to the company owners as felons.
Just throwing it on out there....
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:12:50pm |
re: #260 jamesfirecat
Well maybe you'd have more luck at job interviews if you didn't refer to the company owners as felons.
Just throwing it on out there...
but of course...
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:12:55pm |
O/T
Just because some good folks here have been very kindly supportive of my photography.... And the encouragement is really nice.
I'll share a link to my magazine cover. Getting the "cover shot" assignment is something photographers work pretty hard to get. The MJSA Journal.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:13:04pm |
In other news, for those that want to get scientific.
The post about thermo that covers entropy is up. It also debunks multiple common wingnut canards.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
For example:
And here we come to the part where we nail the evolution deniers hard. DNA is nothing more than a coded string with many bits of data. We have really good cellular mechanisms for copying it from one generation to the next. But what is a mutation if not a change in the DNA? Eventually over time, all sorts of errors will creep in. If those “errors” end up being beneficial, then they get copied to the next generation that makes more babies. If not, they die off. In fact, on the level of encoded information, evolution is exactly an example of entropy increasing.
For those that wish to dig deeper, I invite you to go into Shannon’s Law.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:13:57pm |
re: #262 Rightwingconspirator
O/T
Just because some good folks here have been very kindly supportive of my photography... And the encouragement is really nice.
I'll share a link to my magazine cover. Getting the "cover shot" assignment is something photographers work pretty hard to get. The MJSA Journal.
Nice! Congratulations.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:14:00pm |
re: #243 brookly red
I have a feeling November is going to be a bad day for you...
Yep. Everyone will wake up on Wednesday.
The GOP will probably take the House.
The Dems will lose a lot in the Senate and hold.
Obama will choose one more Supreme Court judge which the Senate will approve.
Obama will still be president.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:14:42pm |
re: #252 brookly red
Ooh, ooh ooh, are we playing name that felon?
"Behind every great fortune is a great crime."
-Balzac
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:14:49pm |
re: #5 SteelPH
OT: According to my mum, Mr. President is a coke dealer.
And she wonders why everyone around her is proclaiming her to be insane.
How old is your mum? Because if she's ninety, that might be cute, and if she's, say, fifty-five, that's kind of scary.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:14:54pm |
re: #255 Varek Raith
Nope, just the guys who earned and not inherited their wealth who support higher taxes on the rich.
;)
#3 is Larry Ellison, I think he might have earned it himself.
#'s 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the four Walton siblings, who definitely didn't.
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:15:01pm |
Latest on Chilean Mine rescue. [Link: online.wsj.com...]
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:15:33pm |
re: #243 brookly red
I have a feeling November is going to be a bad day for you...
Nah.
Let the nuts in the GOP take over. Let them elect these whackos.
Then, watch them collapse in 2012.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:16:39pm |
re: #270 Varek Raith
Nah.
Let the nuts in the GOP take over. Let them elect these whackos.
Then, watch them collapse in 2012.
No fuckin' way...keep the nuts to a minimum, or they become the new normal. It's much harder to get rid of these idiots than you think.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:17:06pm |
This is what will happen;
The GOP will make short term gains.
Long term, they are toast.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:17:22pm |
re: #270 Varek Raith
Nah.
Let the nuts in the GOP take over. Let them elect these whackos.
Then, watch them collapse in 2012.
That's part of the gamble too. Say the GOP is perceived as taking over so to speak. If nothing happens with the economy Americans will think "OK, we voted in the Republicans and nothing happened." You know what that will mean. They'll switch back to Dems in 2012.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:17:52pm |
re: #13 sagehen
Creating a "culture of dependency"?
Is it better we should let people go without food?
Most of the crazier RWR would say YES.
First, they have no idea what it's like to be hungry.
Secondly, they figure that anyone hungry is being punished by God. Or the Free Market, whom many of them hold in higher regard.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:18:45pm |
Well no matter who you support that was a f'n miserable ass excuse for a debate. That was more like a duel, 10 paces and fire...where was the debating part? Where was the discussion? If we want more from our government we need to start with asking more from our media.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:18:47pm |
So long guys gonna go play L4D, you can't beat the classics.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:19:20pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
Most of the crazier RWR would say YES.
First, they have no idea what it's like to be hungry.
Secondly, they figure that anyone hungry is being punished by God. Or the Free Market, whom many of them hold in higher regard.
Or both! Supply Side Jesus™
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:19:37pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:19:46pm |
Oh fucking A Charles, Abbatoir Blues is such a fantastic record, I could listen to Nick Cave's croony grooves forever
That right there is just chilling and awesome
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:19:52pm |
re: #270 Varek Raith
Nah.
Let the nuts in the GOP take over. Let them elect these whackos.
Then, watch them collapse in 2012.
Harry Reid will lead the Senate Dems. Jim DeMint probably the Repubs. Rand Paul will be a Senator. Which of those do you think he'll drive crazy?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:20:38pm |
re: #276 jamesfirecat
So long guys gonna go play L4D, you can't beat the classics.
That's a classic now? :D
This is a classic:
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:20:55pm |
re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist
Does he? Who is he?
Oops. She.
She just said he she has a graduate degree from Claremont.
She might have said "graduate studies" instead of "graduate degree". In any case it wasn't graduate anything.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:21:33pm |
re: #45 jamesfirecat
Because there's nothing that says freedom from "the man" than being able to invent your own scientific facts rather than having to listen to what people who have spent millions of dollars studying something have to say.
Same guys who snorted at the idea that antiseptic would save lives.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:22:18pm |
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:23:12pm |
re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist
Same guys who snorted at the idea that antiseptic would save lives.
I snorted an antiseptic once... it was about the same as shrooms...
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:23:21pm |
Christine O'Donnell Says U.S. Hasn't Finished Job Of Fighting 'Soviets' In Afghanistan (VIDEO)
Well if you remember when we were fighting the Soviets over there in Afghanistan in the '80s and '90s, we did not finish the job, so now we have a responsibility to finish the job and if you are gonna make these politically correct statements that it's costing us too much money, you are threatening the security of our homeland.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:23:34pm |
re: #53 Thanos
We weren't fighting the Soviets, the mujahadeen was... Pakistan was...
We slipped the Mooj a twenty and some beer now and then. Well, not the beer, but you get my point.
I have gone in my lifetime (and I'm not forty yet) from hearing people say "Mujahedin" reverentially to saying "Jihadist" as a cuss. The same people, mind you.
As a bissel linguistics fan, I find this entertaining.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:23:49pm |
re: #286 Gus 802
Christine O'Donnell Says U.S. Hasn't Finished Job Of Fighting 'Soviets' In Afghanistan (VIDEO)
[Video]
INVADE RUSSIA
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:23:54pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote
WHEN THE HELL WERE WE FIGHTING THE SOVIETS IN AFGHANISTAN? MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, PEOPLE.
I was fighting the Soviets in Seattle just last week
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:23:55pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:23:58pm |
re: #58 Decatur Deb
She was there. Had a fellowship to a madrassah.
A very elite madrassa, mind you.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:24:11pm |
re: #286 Gus 802
At least she didn't say she could see Afghanistan from Delaware.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:24:11pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:24:47pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:25:27pm |
re: #293 darthstar
I thought we fought them in Michigan...
W O L V E R I N E S ! ! !
ahahahahaha
Where is my Red Dawn video game?!?! Like a real resource-management RTS where you dig up all the badass teenagers in the town and enlist them to fight the Russians
it'd be jagged alliance with camaros and pickups, it'd be righteous
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:25:35pm |
re: #62 Varek Raith
Eeevilution!
Some of my SCA pals say that occasionally they run across someone who tries to explain that the Middle Ages were BAD, on account of they were before the Reformation restored the One True Church (theirs), and this is why the period is called Mid-EVIL.
Sometimes folk etymology blows your mind.
This is, of course, in start contrast to the story of the Crazy Lady and the Pious Blacksmith, which is one of my favorite reenactment stories of all time.
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Intenzity Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:25:38pm |
She just said he she has a graduate degree from Claremont.
She might have said "graduate studies" instead of "graduate degree". In any case it wasn't graduate anything.
She did an ever better job of parsing and has come up with a new phrase to describe it - "graduate fellowship" sounds all important, huh? Is it an actual degree in anything at all?.
Nope.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:25:47pm |
re: #292 freetoken
At least she didn't say she could see Afghanistan from Delaware.
We look forward to someday triumph over freedom!
/
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:26:19pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:26:23pm |
re: #295 WindUpBird
Jagged Alliance II is the game that separates modern core gamers (xbox) from CORE CORE PC GAMERS
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:26:27pm |
re: #255 Varek Raith
Nope, just the guys who earned and not inherited their wealth who support higher taxes on the rich.
;)
QFT
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:26:41pm |
re: #263 LudwigVanQuixote
In other news, for those that want to get scientific.
The post about thermo that covers entropy is up. It also debunks multiple common wingnut canards.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
For example:
Hi, Ludwig. Good to finally be online at the same time as you.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:26:49pm |
re: #292 freetoken
At least she didn't say she could see Afghanistan from Delaware.
Well, what did you expect... There is only one Palin... My take is that O'Donnel is a bit brighter, if no better informed, honest, rational or in touch with reality.
Honestly, I would like to see her pressed properly on some of her more fun lies.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:26:50pm |
The Chilean president has the biggest smile he could possible have. Good on him. This is bigger than winning the World Cup IMO.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:27:04pm |
re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist
Some of my SCA pals say that occasionally they run across someone who tries to explain that the Middle Ages were BAD, on account of they were before the Reformation restored the One True Church (theirs), and this is why the period is called Mid-EVIL.
Sometimes folk etymology blows your mind.
This is, of course, in start contrast to the story of the Crazy Lady and the Pious Blacksmith, which is one of my favorite reenactment stories of all time.
Just smile and adjust your wimple.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:27:08pm |
re: #68 Gus 802
I didn't catch the exact quote. But she did say the word "graduate" and it wasn't even a graduate program. Just some dumb week long "fellowship".
Friend of mine used to send her kids to this school program that was designed to encourage African-American kids from the inner city to seek academic achievement. They made a big deal out graduations. She had pictures on her desk at work of both her boys in formal caps and gowns, being given diplomas for kindergarten graduation.
Perhaps this fellowship had a similar idea.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:27:17pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:27:17pm |
re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist
Some of my SCA pals say that occasionally they run across someone who tries to explain that the Middle Ages were BAD, on account of they were before the Reformation restored the One True Church (theirs), and this is why the period is called Mid-EVIL.
Sometimes folk etymology blows your mind.
This is, of course, in start contrast to the story of the Crazy Lady and the Pious Blacksmith, which is one of my favorite reenactment stories of all time.
I just want to hang out with you and trade my furry fandom stories for your SCA stories, even steven
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:27:39pm |
re: #286 Gus 802
Christine O'Donnell Says U.S. Hasn't Finished Job Of Fighting 'Soviets' In Afghanistan (VIDEO)
[Video]
WOLVERINES!!!ty
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reine.de.tout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:27:48pm |
re: #262 Rightwingconspirator
O/T
Just because some good folks here have been very kindly supportive of my photography... And the encouragement is really nice.
I'll share a link to my magazine cover. Getting the "cover shot" assignment is something photographers work pretty hard to get. The MJSA Journal.
Great!
There's one of your fire photos - love 'em!
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:27:49pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:28:04pm |
re: #300 WindUpBird
Jagged Alliance II is the game that separates modern core gamers (xbox) from CORE CORE PC GAMERS
amen bro.
Jagged Alliance II - helluva game.
Viva Arulco.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:29:15pm |
re: #286 Gus 802
Christine O'Donnell Says U.S. Hasn't Finished Job Of Fighting 'Soviets' In Afghanistan (VIDEO)
Well, she's actually only saying what Charlie Daniels (a Democrat) said: WE helped force out the Soviets, but then promptly went back to ignoring Afghanistan, and we ultimately paid for that ignoring. O'Donnell's said some nutty things, but that really isn't one of them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:29:28pm |
re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote
And there we have it... NO one should pay for someone else's health care! She bleats...
How Christian!
Because we know Jesus would want granny to die on the street because she was poor and no one would care for her.
Does anyone on the GOP side care how evil their stances are by the standpoints of the religions they claim to embrace?
Many so-con RWR simply seem to break down at that point. They can't admit that Jesus expects you to give to the poor--not optionally, but as your only chance of salvation--because it gums up the gears of their social and political beliefs too much.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:29:33pm |
re: #311 Obdicut
Have you used the community 1.13 mod?
[Link: ja2v113.pbworks.com...]
hgghhsglsghsgh christ they're still modding it?
I'm so out of the loop! Then again, the only games I've played in a month were Rock Band and Bookworm on my iPod, so I think I'm cursed to be out of the loop for a while
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:29:58pm |
re: #123 Charles
Obama doesn't think illegal aliens should be deported?
Since when?
Has he mentioned this to his administration? Because they haven't gotten the memo.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:30:37pm |
re: #313 Dark_Falcon
Well, she's actually only saying what Charlie Daniels (a Democrat) said: WE helped force out the Soviets, but then promptly went back to ignoring Afghanistan, and we ultimately paid for that ignoring. O'Donnell's said some nutty things, but that really isn't one of them.
He's a Democrat? No way. Must check. ;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:30:44pm |
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:30:59pm |
re: #315 WindUpBird
You should try it with 1.13 if you never have. It really changes up the game in significant ways.
You'll probably want to choose the option (think you have to do it in the init) to NOT have Drassen immediately re-attacked. That sends 40 or so elite soldiers at you right at the start of the game.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:31:11pm |
re: #151 Charles
The abortion question. She said the "rape and incest" exception is a "scare tactic."
Sure is. I want people to be real scared of what will happen if people like her get any sort of power.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:31:20pm |
re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist
Many so-con RWR simply seem to break down at that point. They can't admit that Jesus expects you to give to the poor--not optionally, but as your only chance of salvation--because it gums up the gears of their social and political beliefs too much.
Well, it's not optional in Judaism or Islam either.
In Judaism, refusing to help those in need when you can is considered evil. If you could save a life, but didn't, it is called murder.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:31:45pm |
re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist
Why? They feel fine making war with other Muslims.
can you please stay within the 100 comment range?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:32:32pm |
re: #320 Obdicut
You should try it with 1.13 if you never have. It really changes up the game in significant ways.
You'll probably want to choose the option (think you have to do it in the init) to NOT have Drassen immediately re-attacked. That sends 40 or so elite soldiers at you right at the start of the game.
I love having fellow gamers to talk to. It makes me feel less weird. ;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:33:06pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
Whispering campaigns were used against Eleanor Roosevelt and Janet Reno.
My Dad wanted to be Janet Reno for Halloween. He would have been good, I think. I heard her speak once. Woman is TALL.
Good speaker, too.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:33:15pm |
re: #310 reine.de.tout
Aww thanks. Yeah, they surprised me with that.
Now (as always happens) its about getting the next assignment.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:33:22pm |
re: #324 Dark_Falcon
I love having fellow gamers to talk to. It makes me feel less weird. ;)
that's weird.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:33:31pm |
re: #313 Dark_Falcon
Well, she's actually only saying what Charlie Daniels (a Democrat) said: WE helped force out the Soviets, but then promptly went back to ignoring Afghanistan, and we ultimately paid for that ignoring. O'Donnell's said some nutty things, but that really isn't one of them.
huh?
Which Charlie Daniels we talkin here?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:33:34pm |
re: #324 Dark_Falcon
I love having fellow gamers to talk to. It makes me feel less weird. ;)
I'm trying Silent Hunter III right now, with the GWX mod. It's kicking my ass right now; you have to plot torpedo firing solutions.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:33:49pm |
re: #324 Dark_Falcon
I love having fellow gamers to talk to. It makes me feel less weird. ;)
ever played Jagged Alliance 2?
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:34:05pm |
re: #313 Dark_Falcon
Well, she's actually only saying what Charlie Daniels (a Democrat) said: WE helped force out the Soviets, but then promptly went back to ignoring Afghanistan, and we ultimately paid for that ignoring. O'Donnell's said some nutty things, but that really isn't one of them.
Do you mean Charlie Wilson?
I was thinking. Charlie Daniels the musician.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:34:15pm |
re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist
Many so-con RWR simply seem to break down at that point. They can't admit that Jesus expects you to give to the poor--not optionally, but as your only chance of salvation--because it gums up the gears of their social and political beliefs too much.
is that RWR for right-wing Republicans, or Ronald Wilson Reagan?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:34:16pm |
re: #320 Obdicut
You should try it with 1.13 if you never have. It really changes up the game in significant ways.
You'll probably want to choose the option (think you have to do it in the init) to NOT have Drassen immediately re-attacked. That sends 40 or so elite soldiers at you right at the start of the game.
yeah, I've never modded JA2, I must give this a whirl o_o
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:34:20pm |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards!
I just saw the last Chilean miner rescued. What a fantastic job they did to rescue those guys.
How few years ago would they just have been toast? Amazing stuff, engineering.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:34:37pm |
Chilean president just gave a speech, first in Spanish, then in English.
Anybody in Chile gonna protest that, I wonder?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:34:45pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:34:52pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:34:54pm |
re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist
My Dad wanted to be Janet Reno for Halloween. He would have been good, I think. I heard her speak once. Woman is TALL.
Good speaker, too.
Always made me think of Amelia Earheart, assuming Amelia had a better compass.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:35:19pm |
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:35:23pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:35:34pm |
re: #265 Gus 802
Yep. Everyone will wake up on Wednesday.
The GOP will probably take the House.
The Dems will lose a lot in the Senate and hold.
Obama will choose one more Supreme Court judge which the Senate will approve.
Obama will still be president.
'At's about my prediction, and I'm sticking to it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:35:51pm |
re: #336 Obdicut
Maybe this one?
There's a politician?!?!
haha I was thinking of the Devil Went Down to Georgia guy :D
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:36:00pm |
re: #322 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, it's not optional in Judaism or Islam either.
In Judaism, refusing to help those in need when you can is considered evil. If you could save a life, but didn't, it is called murder.
Really? Same as if you just out and out killed them? I like that kind of strict humanism. As we are helped we are obligated to do the same. Even in advance. "Pay It Forward" said it well to popular culture.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:36:07pm |
re: #335 reine.de.tout
Chilean president just gave a speech, first in Spanish, then in English.
Anybody in Chile gonna protest that, I wonder?
No mas! No mas! No mas!
//
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reine.de.tout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:36:13pm |
re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist
How few years ago would they just have been toast? Amazing stuff, engineering.
And . . .the miner whose wife and mistress met up with each other at a vigil - was met by his mistress. He had invited both of them (wife and mistress), but wife declined to attend.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:36:16pm |
re: #328 WindUpBird
huh?
Which Charlie Daniels we talkin here?
Should have been Charlie Wilson.
Sorry, long day.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:36:43pm |
re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist
'At's about my prediction, and I'm sticking to it.
yeah, i'd put money on that Gus predicition, Rs take the house, don't take the senate, Obama in 12
if the Republicans do NOT take the house, wow
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:36:45pm |
re: #286 Gus 802
Christine O'Donnell Says U.S. Hasn't Finished Job Of Fighting 'Soviets' In Afghanistan (VIDEO)
[Video]
Wait, she thinks they're still there?
Only in Ivan's flashback dreams, lady.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:37:12pm |
re: #329 Obdicut
I'm trying Silent Hunter III right now, with the GWX mod. It's kicking my ass right now; you have to plot torpedo firing solutions.
What nation are you playing and what year?
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:37:39pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:38:22pm |
re: #347 WindUpBird
yeah, i'd put money on that Gus predicition, Rs take the house, don't take the senate, Obama in 12
if the Republicans do NOT take the house, wow
They'll take the House, but not the Senate. As for 2012, I think it too soon to say.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:38:22pm |
re: #339 Obdicut
Read the FAQS!
oh totally, I know how this gets messy!
I once tried to make a Quake 3 mod as my "way into the industry", way back wen. it...didn't. go. well. o_o
it did teach me all about the tools and give me valuable if occasionally conniption-inducing experience, and dammit I made a couple REALLY COOL MAPS WITH RADIANT
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:38:45pm |
re: #292 freetoken
At least she didn't say she could see Afghanistan from Delaware.
Maybe if you climb a REALLY tall tree. But probably not.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:38:52pm |
re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist
How few years ago would they just have been toast? Amazing stuff, engineering.
I believe a mining company in Pennsylvania drilled the hole....for free. NASA also helped with food, medicine, etc. Americans always offer to help the best we can when other third-world countries are down. Ain't it great?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:39:09pm |
re: #349 Dark_Falcon
What nation are you playing and what year?
I'm just doing the tutorials right now, haven't gotten to campaign mode at all yet.
Got into it thanks to this thread-- if you've never seen a SomethingAwful Let's Play before, you might like them:
[Link: forums.somethingawful.com...]
Detailed after-action reports, basically.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:39:33pm |
re: #348 SanFranciscoZionist
Wait, she thinks they're still there?
Only in Ivan's flashback dreams, lady.
Yeah. It's a bit of a run on thought: well if you remember when we were fighting the Soviets over there in Afghanistan in the '80s and '90s, we did not finish the job.
Didn't finish what job? Eliminating the Soviets? Rebuilding Afghanistan? No one was supposed to know we were even in Afghanistan. Everything was basically a clandestine operation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:39:44pm |
re: #294 Decatur Deb
Co-ed.
An elite and egalitarian madrassa. Very nice. She was an excellent student, except she didn't want to study the Koran, because she thought God might not like it. So she memorized from the Bible, and occasionally, a Danielle Steel novel.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:39:53pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Chile has paid for a hell of a lot, too. We provided some support, but we shouldn't hog more than our fair share of the glory.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:40:08pm |
Using hotel computer. Forgot my laptop.
Internet Exploreer is teh suck.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:40:34pm |
re: #253 NJDhockeyfan
It's wonderful to watch. Most of the time all we see is idiotic politics and negative news about the economy & terror. This is great news to see for a change.
yep. a welcome relief. There are things right about the world, after all.
I'm of the mind that about 90% of macroeconomic woes are merely a matter of perception. Starting with W's 1st inauguration, we've had continuous years of nothing but 'bad economic news' from the mainstream media dillwads.
What else did 'they' think was going to happen after planting the seeds in peoples minds relentlessly for all these years?
it's gotta be a plot
/
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Stanghazi Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:40:54pm |
From TPM
Have you read Wheel Of Fortune host Pat Sajak's blog post for National Review Online today? Because if you have, you might be saying: "I'd like to buy a W, T, and an F please, Pat."
That's because Sajak asks that question that's been on no one's mind: "Should state workers be able to vote in state elections on matters that would benefit them directly?"
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:41:05pm |
re: #305 Decatur Deb
Just smile and adjust your wimple.
A lady of my acquaintance once got asked in a drive-in if she was Amish. Yes. A drive-in. She was wearing fifteenth-century Burgundian (very low-cut) and driving a red sports car, and the kid asked if she was AMISH.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:41:45pm |
re: #352 WindUpBird
I have little to no time for video games, but I played a new Halo recently at a neighbors place. Wow. Huge fun experience. The controls work so very naturally! I just played a kind of wingman to my friend. Following him gave me a great view and a sense of direction among all the places to run and fight.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:42:14pm |
re: #359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Using hotel computer. Forgot my laptop.
Internet Exploreer is teh suck.
dl firefox for 'em
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:42:20pm |
re: #358 Obdicut
Chile has paid for a hell of a lot, too. We provided some support, but we shouldn't hog more than our fair share of the glory.
I don't think we are. We are just happy enough it worked. Let the Chileans celebrate. They deserve it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:42:22pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:42:26pm |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
They'll take the House, but not the Senate. As for 2012, I think it too soon to say.
looking on Nate silver's chart, the chance of my district remaining Democrat is 100%, ahahahahahaha
he actually has the house a little closer than I thought, he calls it for Rs, but he has a lot of "tossup" in the middle
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:43:08pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:43:29pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe if you climb a REALLY tall tree. But probably not.
Who are the ladies in your avatar?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:43:36pm |
re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist
A lady of my acquaintance once got asked in a drive-in if she was Amish. Yes. A drive-in. She was wearing fifteenth-century Burgundian (very low-cut) and driving a red sports car, and the kid asked if she was AMISH.
*Shows up in a supercharged Camaro* "YES, I'm totally Amish. Give me my Wendy's Triple."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:43:56pm |
re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist
Charlie Wilson.
Daniels is a singer.
Now I want to hear the story of Charlie Daniels' War
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:44:00pm |
re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist
A lady of my acquaintance once got asked in a drive-in if she was Amish. Yes. A drive-in. She was wearing fifteenth-century Burgundian (very low-cut) and driving a red sports car, and the kid asked if she was AMISH.
Kid was a social statistician working nights. He knew the level of confidence for Amish:car was greater than Burgundian:movie buff.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:44:06pm |
Face it. The day after election day Orly Taitz will still be there. Beck will be at chalkboard predicting the end of the USA. And Pam Geller will still be drinking her mayonnaise and vodka cocktails.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:44:32pm |
re: #332 sagehen
is that RWR for right-wing Republicans, or Ronald Wilson Reagan?
Right-Wing Radicals. I didn't realize it was also Reagan's initials until I started using it. It's my way of defining people who are, well, right-wing and radical, without using vaguer terms like 'conservative' that sane people might still be using.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:44:35pm |
re: #372 WindUpBird
Now I want to hear the story of Charlie Daniels' War
Charlie Wilson on Jack Daniels
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:44:49pm |
re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist
A lady of my acquaintance once got asked in a drive-in if she was Amish. Yes. A drive-in. She was wearing fifteenth-century Burgundian (very low-cut) and driving a red sports car, and the kid asked if she was AMISH.
Was the sports car tied to a horse?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:45:37pm |
re: #345 reine.de.tout
And . . .the miner whose wife and mistress met up with each other at a vigil - was met by his mistress. He had invited both of them (wife and mistress), but wife declined to attend.
My husband made a point of telling me that if he's ever trapped in a mine, there is no mistress for me to meet.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:46:04pm |
re: #347 WindUpBird
yeah, i'd put money on that Gus predicition, Rs take the house, don't take the senate, Obama in 12
if the Republicans do NOT take the house, wow
Well, I'd do the Snoopy Dance, but I'm pretty sure they get the House.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:46:31pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:46:33pm |
re: #374 Gus 802
Face it. The day after election day Orly Taitz will still be there. Beck will be at chalkboard predicting the end of the USA. And Pam Geller will still be drinking her mayonnaise and vodka cocktails.
And Harry Reid will be thinking "How did I fuck that election up?"
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:46:47pm |
re: #374 Gus 802
We all make far more difference in our own lives than our most favored or despised Presidents or pundits. You make your life. Not these distant persons. IMO...
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:47:10pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
I believe a mining company in Pennsylvania drilled the hole...for free. NASA also helped with food, medicine, etc. Americans always offer to help the best we can when other third-world countries are down. Ain't it great?
Chile would take exception to be called third world.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:47:11pm |
re: #374 Gus 802
Face it. The day after election day Orly Taitz will still be there. Beck will be at chalkboard predicting the end of the USA. And Pam Geller will still be drinking her mayonnaise and vodka cocktails.
The day after election day, Orly Taitz will still be standing on America's front lawn with her underwear clenched in her fist, about to spray all America's rhododendrons with Roundup in revenge, empty bottles of Old English at her feet
then she'll kick over America's mailbox and screech off into the night in her rusted yet still potent 1971 Dart Swinger
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:47:22pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:47:40pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
I believe a mining company in Pennsylvania drilled the hole...for free. NASA also helped with food, medicine, etc. Americans always offer to help the best we can when other third-world countries are down. Ain't it great?
It's what we do when we do our best. ;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:48:00pm |
re: #380 Dark_Falcon
SMACK!
The devil apparently went down to georgia looking for a meal, have you seen that guy lately?
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:48:57pm |
re: #388 WindUpBird
The devil apparently went down to georgia looking for a meal, have you seen that guy lately?
i don't think DF has ever met Newt.............
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:49:21pm |
re: #382 Rightwingconspirator
We all make far more difference in our own lives than our most favored or despised Presidents or pundits. You make your life. Not these distant persons. IMO...
I wish more people would think that way about presidents. Unfortunately they don't. It's been a very trying first two years having to listen and watch the lunacy against Obama.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:49:44pm |
Anyways - i gots to dive off. Need to get some sleep tonight.
Last night = sleepfail
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:50:11pm |
re: #343 Rightwingconspirator
Really? Same as if you just out and out killed them? I like that kind of strict humanism. As we are helped we are obligated to do the same. Even in advance. "Pay It Forward" said it well to popular culture.
Really, consider the following case:
An Olympic swimmer, with life guard training is sitting by a pool. He is in perfect health. He sees a toddler fall into the pool in the deep end and begin to drown. He watches the child die.
In Judaism, he committed murder.
Under American law, and certainly the GOP idea of duty to help others under the law, he did nothing prosecutable.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:50:38pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:50:45pm |
re: #384 wozzablog
Wozza! I am reading a very good book. "The Anglo Files" by Sarah Lyall, a reporter for the New York times. Astute observations of the Brits for the new century.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:51:09pm |
re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist
It's what we do when we do our best. ;)
Yes it is. When they realized there were survivors in that mine there was no finger pointing or playing the blame game for what happened. They immediately searched around the world for the best solution and asked for help. This is how leaders lead.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:51:40pm |
re: #394 prairiefire
Wozza! I am reading a very good book. "The Anglo Files" by Sarah Lyall, a reporter for the New York times. Astute observations of the Brits for the new century.
i shall look it out.
my own tome on the matter will be some years yet in the writing :-p
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:51:56pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, I'd do the Snoopy Dance, but I'm pretty sure they get the House.
They will. Here in Illinois, I predict the GOP picks up 2 US House seats, Obama's old Senate seat, and the Governorship. As to weather Michael Madigan loses control of the State Assembly, I cannot say for certain. Right now, I'd say the chance of the Dems retaining control of the State Assembly is about 55%.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:52:02pm |
re: #384 wozzablog
Chile would take exception to be called third world.
yeah, I think it would come as a surprise to residents of Santiago that they're called third world, hahah
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:52:09pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:52:47pm |
re: #392 LudwigVanQuixote
Not that is a Code Of Ethics.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:53:05pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, I'd do the Snoopy Dance, but I'm pretty sure they get the House.
Oh I'd put money on them taking the house, of course!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:53:09pm |
re: #370 prairiefire
One of them looks just like my friend Heidi.
How does SFZ know my friend Heidi?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:53:15pm |
re: #399 sagehen
oh yay :D
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:53:18pm |
re: #397 Dark_Falcon
They will. Here in Illinois, I predict the GOP picks up 2 US House seats, Obama's old Senate seat, and the Governorship. As to weather Michael Madigan loses control of the State Assembly, I cannot say for certain. Right now, I'd say the chance of the Dems retaining control of the State Assembly is about 55%.
I owe my uncle $10 bucks if Kirk wins.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:53:29pm |
re: #394 prairiefire
Wozza! I am reading a very good book. "The Anglo Files" by Sarah Lyall, a reporter for the New York times. Astute observations of the Brits for the new century.
is it sub-titled "a field guide to the english"?...............
Seems to be the english publishers title.
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SteelGHAZI Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:53:39pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:54:40pm |
re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist
"Yes. The buggy is in the shop."
She really should actually dress like an amish person and then pull that, just be yelling at her broker on a cell phone. 'yeah, that's my number five. Hold on. SELL! SELL! DUMP CISCO!" "What? yeah, Amish."
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Digital Display Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:55:03pm |
re: #392 LudwigVanQuixote
Really, consider the following case:
An Olympic swimmer, with life guard training is sitting by a pool. He is in perfect health. He sees a toddler fall into the pool in the deep end and begin to drown. He watches the child die.
In Judaism, he committed murder.
Under American law, and certainly the GOP idea of duty to help others under the law, he did nothing prosecutable.
I'm no lawyer..But I think that's called negligent Homicide
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:55:28pm |
re: #405 wozzablog
That's right, that's the full title. Her chapter on the House Of Lords is hilarious. "Lawmakers From Another Planet."
How were you informed about sex education?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:56:05pm |
re: #408 HoosierHoops
I'm no lawyer..But I think that's called negligent Homicide
or as the kids say hoMEHcide
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:56:20pm |
Heeeyyyy!
Image: 3211-2-1243907028.jpg
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:56:24pm |
re: #404 prairiefire
I owe my uncle $10 bucks if Kirk wins.
Get ready to pay up. I'm going to be proud to vote for him. I may not get to meet him on Sunday though. There's a chance that I won't be able to attend a Republican event I normally attend due to money shortage. I still hope to attend though.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:56:28pm |
re: #409 prairiefire
You don't have to answer that. She has many examples in the book.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:56:40pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
Whispering campaigns were used against Eleanor Roosevelt and Janet Reno.
J. Edgar Hoover kept nude pictures of Eleanor Roosevelt.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:57:51pm |
Michelle Rhee has resigned. Politics defeated the reformer. Hardball reformer hit the system and the union hard. Well they beat her out of her job, but I have hope for her reforms.
if it were up to me, I'd make her top lady at LAUSD, or in Sacramento. Head of Education, hands down.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:58:17pm |
re: #415 Rightwingconspirator
Michelle Rhee has resigned. Politics defeated the reformer. Hardball reformer hit the system and the union hard. Well they beat her out of her job, but I have hope for her reforms.
if it were up to me, I'd make her top lady at LAUSD, or in Sacramento. Head of Education, hands down.
Damn.
I kind of liked her.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:58:25pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:58:42pm |
re: #370 prairiefire
Who are the ladies in your avatar?
Achinoam Nini and Mira Awad. Israeli Jewish singer, Israeli Arab actress/singer. They teamed up at Eurovision and sang "There Must Be Another Way".
I absolutely heart them.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:58:49pm |
re: #409 prairiefire
That's right, that's the full title. Her chapter on the House Of Lords is hilarious. "Lawmakers From Another Planet."
How were you informed about sex education?
me?......
the bare basics were covered in some sort of anatomy class in primary school. the "bigger picture" - not sure i remember.
But for those in the house of Lords? - i shudder to think how it's taught at eton or harrow schools........ (possibly practically and within all male dorms)
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:59:00pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:59:31pm |
re: #417 Varek Raith
Damn.
I kind of liked her.
DC's loss. Fools.
Quick somebody offer her a job where she can do what she does so well.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 6:59:41pm |
re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist
Same guys who snorted at the idea that antiseptic would save lives.
Actually, that was the better part of the medical establishment in the early going. Dr. Ignaz Semmelweiss, (yes, Jewish) was kvetching about how puerperal fever seemed to be transmitted by doctors, and how they should wash up between patients.
It took a long time for his point to be granted and acted on. Even today, many hospitals could do a better job at keeping stuff clean, and the cost of doing so would be well justified by the improvements that could be expected in patient outcomes.
There has been substantial improvement on this score over the past decade.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:00:10pm |
re: #420 wozzablog
They are scarred for life. Oh well, better to be middle class. : )
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Digital Display Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:00:20pm |
We had an Earthquake in Norman today
Next up..Locust
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:00:51pm |
re: #408 HoosierHoops
I'm no lawyer..But I think that's called negligent Homicide
i think very technically when someone has a specialist knowledge with which they can help it might be.
in france though there is a very strict interpretation on a law of "omission" - if someone needs help and you are in a position to offer aid/comfort and do not so, then you are liable in some criminal way.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:00:52pm |
re: #426 HoosierHoops
We had an Earthquake in Norman today
Next up..Locust
Then, it'll rain blood.
Have fun!
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:01:25pm |
re: #428 Varek Raith
Then, it'll rain blood.
Have fun!
Say. When was the last time it rained blood?
/
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:01:35pm |
re: #422 Gus 802
Miracle. ;)
It is a miracle. If one person was found alive and rescued it would have been considered a huge success. Saving them all is miraculous indeed.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:01:58pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:02:21pm |
re: #400 Rightwingconspirator
Oh PIMF! Damn. NOW that is a code of ethics. Geez I had typed "Not".
Sorry Ludwig! I will punish the offending finger appropriately.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:02:29pm |
re: #431 NJDhockeyfan
It is a miracle. If one person was found alive and rescued it would have been considered a huge success. Saving them all is miraculous indeed.
I don't see it that way. Hard work, technology, math, science, teamwork, and cooperation. That's what saved the miners. There was nothing miraculous about it.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:02:38pm |
re: #425 prairiefire
They are scarred for life. Oh well, better to be middle class. : )
puh-lease, working class and proud :-)
The majority middle class is a peculiarly American invention on the basis of selling a mythic and unobtainable aspirationalism.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:02:59pm |
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Digital Display Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:02:59pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:03:05pm |
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:03:28pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
I believe a mining company in Pennsylvania drilled the hole...for free. NASA also helped with food, medicine, etc. Americans always offer to help the best we can when other third-world countries are down. Ain't it great?
Chile is not a third world nation. Chile has moved into the broad sunlit uplands of history. It could have been different, more like Cuba or where Venezuela looks to be going.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:03:54pm |
re: #407 WindUpBird
She really should actually dress like an amish person and then pull that, just be yelling at her broker on a cell phone. 'yeah, that's my number five. Hold on. SELL! SELL! DUMP CISCO!" "What? yeah, Amish."
Another SCA person I was once in contact with describes walking in her fifteenth-century dress around a grocery store with a friend similarly dressed. A little boy pointed and whispered, "Mommy, why are those ladies dressed like that?"
Mommy whispers back "Because they're Mormons honey."
SCAdian and friend get out to the parking lot before screaming with laughter, because in fact they ARE Mormons, it's just that's not why they're wearing the outfits at all.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:04:02pm |
re: #435 Gus 802
There was nothing miraculous about it.
You forgot the part where God made the 6000 year old coal look like it was 300000000 years old!
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:04:41pm |
re: #424 lostlakehiker
Actually, that was the better part of the medical establishment in the early going. Dr. Ignaz Semmelweiss, (yes, Jewish) was kvetching about how puerperal fever seemed to be transmitted by doctors, and how they should wash up between patients.
It took a long time for his point to be granted and acted on.
Actually, it just took a different person: Lister. Semmelweiss was completely ineffective at spreading his completely accurate message, because he went about it in such a totally impolitic way; and because he was wrong about enough other things for people to be able to dismiss him.
Gawande deals with this very well in Better.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:04:45pm |
re: #409 prairiefire
How were you informed about sex education?
My parents gave me a couple of books. They said "we're sort of embarrassed to have this discussion, so just read. And we've told your doctor you have full confidentiality to discuss things with her and get whatever... um... advice? treatment? whatever if you don't want us to know. But just for the record, we'd prefer you remain a virgin until the age of 30."
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:05:00pm |
re: #437 Alouette
You mean, like Photoshop?
Didn't think of that, but yes. Also our cameras and the 'net.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:06:01pm |
re: #436 wozzablog
puh-lease, working class and proud :-)
The majority middle class is a peculiarly American invention on the basis of selling a mythic and unobtainable aspirationalism.
NO!
I IZ SPAYSHUL!
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freetoken Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:06:15pm |
re: #444 sagehen
My parents gave me a couple of books.
Reminds me of my youth... back when sex-ed didn't show up until around 11th grade gym class. Before that I think my mom left a book lying around.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:06:15pm |
re: #427 wozzablog
i think very technically when someone has a specialist knowledge with which they can help it might be.
in france though there is a very strict interpretation on a law of "omission" - if someone needs help and you are in a position to offer aid/comfort and do not so, then you are liable in some criminal way.
Surely it depends on the risk involved? I may be on the banks of an icy river, and someone dying of hypothermia out in the river. I could go and try my hand at rescue. But how good am I at withstanding the cold? There is nothing admirable in suicide by fame-seeking. I might try it. But only if I thought I had some sort of chance to bring it off, and even then, probably not unless I thought I had some sort of chance to live through the effort.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:07:34pm |
re: #435 Gus 802
I don't see it that way. Hard work, technology, math, science, teamwork, and cooperation. That's what saved the miners. There was nothing miraculous about it.
They all stayed alive for 17 days (after a half mile of dirt collapsed) before anyone knew there were survivors. They were out of food and were losing oxygen before they sent a note letting someone know they survived. That in itself is amazing if not a miracle.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:07:54pm |
re: #449 lostlakehiker
Surely it depends on the risk involved? I may be on the banks of an icy river, and someone dying of hypothermia out in the river. I could go and try my hand at rescue. But how good am I at withstanding the cold? There is nothing admirable in suicide by fame-seeking. I might try it. But only if I thought I had some sort of chance to bring it off, and even then, probably not unless I thought I had some sort of chance to live through the effort.
Strict within a subjective level of risk to the accused's own life and limb.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:08:00pm |
re: #439 Decatur Deb
That's gonna piss off a lot of engineers.
Yeah. It's an overused word. I don't see how reality is replaced with a noun. There was no divine intervention. It was never done before but technology and teamwork proved that it could be done.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:08:13pm |
re: #448 freetoken
Reminds me of my youth... back when sex-ed didn't show up until around 11th grade gym class. Before that I think my mom left a book lying around.
My parents never dealt with sex ed at all. I tried to talk to them about it when I went off to college. They sat on the couch and held hands.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:09:26pm |
re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist
They sat on the couch and held hands.
And that is how babies are made.............
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:09:52pm |
re: #443 Obdicut
I went digging online for some stuff we talked about the other day. I'm trying to find the academic basis to define "age appropriate" for sex education. How did education choose the timing? It's your field, any hints? What with all the noise about abstinence vs the rest it's tough to find.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:10:00pm |
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:10:37pm |
re: #451 NJDhockeyfan
They all stayed alive for 17 days (after a half mile of dirt collapsed) before anyone knew there were survivors. They were out of food and were losing oxygen before they sent a note letting someone know they survived. That in itself is amazing if not a miracle.
Well. They were fortunate. But then I guess I could be seen as promoting an idea of good fortune. The geology and circumstances allowed for them to attain a survivable situation. The mine itself was built and designed around survivability even though it failed. So there again I would say if it wasn't for the good works of man they wouldn't have survived. Many times others aren't as fortunate.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:10:43pm |
re: #433 Varek Raith
When I Force Asploded some Ewoks.
Why not try running a major asteroid into Endor? That way, the Nuclear Winter will cause then all to die slowly? >:D
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:11:07pm |
A gay blogger is not impressed with senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett...
WH's Jarrett: Dead Gay Bully Victim Made 'Lifestyle Choice'
The last time I heard anyone use the obnoxious phrase "lifestyle choice" to describe a gay person's sexual orientation was during the Bill Clinton presidency when the gays were accused of wanting "special rights."
Today the Washington Post's gay kapo Jonathan Capehart shares a video interview he conducted on Monday with senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett. She clearly states a belief that Minnesota gay teen Justin Aarberg, who committed suicide in July after being bullied, made a "lifestyle choice."
...What an outrage to claim that the 15-year-old Aarberg made a choice to be gay, and that sexual orientation is a lifestyle. Did she get her talking points from Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council? It's doubly offensive that Capehart makes no effort to point out how dangerous Jarrett's thinking is.
If Capehart were willing to risk his White House access to events like a Latina Fiesta night, he might have taken his tongue off Jarrett and Obama's posteriors and challenged her employment of "lifestyle choice" in speaking about the support of the Aarberg family for their gay son and brother.
With friends like Jarrett and gay reporters such as Capehart, why worry about our enemies at the Family Research Council, National Organization for Marriage and the Mormon Church?
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:11:23pm |
I'd be willing to meet half way and say that perhaps it involved some miraculous elements.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:11:54pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:11:58pm |
re: #461 Gus 802
I'd be willing to meet half way and say that perhaps it involved some miraculous elements.
Like quartz.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:12:18pm |
re: #123 Charles
Obama doesn't think illegal aliens should be deported?
Since when?
Since he won't allow Arizona to even identify them? Since he won't build the fence? Since everything. Obama doesn't want to rock the boat. The trend is his friend, and the trend will be allowed to run its course uninterrupted. Bush, before him, didn't much want to rock the boat either. U.S. policy, on both sides of the aisle, is to allow a considerable amount of "illegal" immigration.
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Digital Display Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:12:40pm |
re: #449 lostlakehiker
Surely it depends on the risk involved? I may be on the banks of an icy river, and someone dying of hypothermia out in the river. I could go and try my hand at rescue. But how good am I at withstanding the cold? There is nothing admirable in suicide by fame-seeking. I might try it. But only if I thought I had some sort of chance to bring it off, and even then, probably not unless I thought I had some sort of chance to live through the effort.
I don't think the law demands suicide...Most of us would dial 911..
To ignore those in an accident without acting in a humane way would be negligent and inhumane and below our best instincts...
I believe some places have what is called a good Samaritan act...Like real humans would need that law
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:12:42pm |
re: #460 NJDhockeyfan
A gay blogger is not impressed with senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett...
Pamela Geller is a Jew who supports Nazis. These things happen.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:12:47pm |
re: #464 lostlakehiker
Deportations are up under Obama.
Shocka!
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freetoken Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:13:31pm |
re: #464 lostlakehiker
Since he won't allow Arizona to even identify them?
So you're a supporter of the AZ law?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:13:37pm |
re: #461 Gus 802
I'd be willing to meet half way and say that perhaps it involved some miraculous elements.
I will agree with that. I have never heard of anything like this before.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:13:53pm |
re: #468 Varek Raith
Deportations are up under Obama.
Shocka!
Too much truth for the GOP!
Why oh why doe the truth keep on having a liberal bias?
Ohhh well, prolly because wingnuts are batshit insane and can't stop themselves from making shit up as they go along.
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brookly red Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:14:07pm |
re: #468 Varek Raith
Deportations are up under Obama.
Shocka!
/yeah you gotta be careful how you vote...
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:14:31pm |
re: #470 NJDhockeyfan
I will agree with that. I have never heard of anything like this before.
The precision of the drilling is rather amazing. I mean they drilled that thing through 2000 feet of rock and hit it in the precise spot.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:16:01pm |
re: #456 Rightwingconspirator
I went digging online for some stuff we talked about the other day. I'm trying to find the academic basis to define "age appropriate" for sex education. How did education choose the timing? It's your field, any hints? What with all the noise about abstinence vs the rest it's tough to find.
The earlier the better, basically. The biggest benefit is that the earlier you educate kids about sex, the more of the depressingly large number of them who are being sexually abused will actually report it.
The timing is chosen based on politics, on when parents will agree to it. Not on any sort of science.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:16:11pm |
re: #473 Gus 802
The precision of the drilling is rather amazing. I mean they drilled that thing through 2000 feet of rock and hit it in the precise spot.
It only took them two times to hit it. I think they planned three attempts.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:16:23pm |
For the record, all ewoks should be shot or lightsabered before they can sing :)
Even Jedi agree with that ;)
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:16:37pm |
re: #473 Gus 802
The precision of the drilling is rather amazing. I mean they drilled that thing through 2000 feet of rock and hit it in the precise spot.
Sorcery.
All they did was use "Detect Creature" to find them.
Simple.
/
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reine.de.tout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:17:32pm |
re: #361 Stanley Sea
From TPM
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]
That's hilarious.
I was a state gov't employee.
In certain years, we had a candidate running for gov (and he won, 4 times actually, but is now in prison) - anyhooo - state employees ALWAYS got a pay raise every year of each of his 4 terms.
I never voted for him. I thought he was a crook, he WAS a crook as his current prison sentence shows - and I never voted for him, though I knew it would mean money in my pocket.
If Pat Sajak or anybody else thinks that government employees are complete idiots and totally selfish people who can't think beyond their own pocketbooks - well, then, THEY are the idiots.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:17:38pm |
re: #478 Varek Raith
Sorcery.
All they did was use "Detect Creature" to find them.
Simple.
/
No way. I read that they squeezed their eyes shut and chanted, "peeeeoooou neeeyaaaa wang wang kathok!" and there it was.
//
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:17:51pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:18:13pm |
re: #473 Gus 802
The precision of the drilling is rather amazing. I mean they drilled that thing through 2000 feet of rock and hit it in the precise spot.
Every oil well drilled does the same thing.
It truly is an amazing feat.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:18:48pm |
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:19:06pm |
re: #481 Dark_Falcon
Someone downdinging you? Call them out.
No biggie. Just once. I said something kind of semi-nice about O'Donnell upthread. But that was just once. I said "she's doing better than I expected."
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:19:12pm |
re: #474 Obdicut
The earlier the better, basically. The biggest benefit is that the earlier you educate kids about sex, the more of the depressingly large number of them who are being sexually abused will actually report it.
The timing is chosen based on politics, on when parents will agree to it. Not on any sort of science.
There is also such a thing as being age appropriate. When a three year old asks why mommy's belly is getting big and how they know there is going to be a new brother or sister, it is quite fine to say that grown up men and women make babies together and shift the conversation to how the baby is growing in the mother.
As they get older, information can be parceled out as it is appropriate. Certainly, an understanding (a theoretical one) of the whole works needs to be in place by puberty, because that is when kids can start reproducing themselves.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:19:26pm |
re: #458 Gus 802
Well. They were fortunate. But then I guess I could be seen as promoting an idea of good fortune. The geology and circumstances allowed for them to attain a survivable situation. The mine itself was built and designed around survivability even though it failed. So there again I would say if it wasn't for the good works of man they wouldn't have survived. Many times others aren't as fortunate.
And the shift foreman got them to ration 2 days of food and water to last 17 days. Nes gadol haya sham.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:19:37pm |
re: #464 lostlakehiker
Since he won't allow Arizona to even identify them? Since he won't build the fence? Since everything. Obama doesn't want to rock the boat. The trend is his friend, and the trend will be allowed to run its course uninterrupted. Bush, before him, didn't much want to rock the boat either. U.S. policy, on both sides of the aisle, is to allow a considerable amount of "illegal" immigration.
Dude didn't Obama send Arizona a bunch of money for more border guards and fence building?
And you can identify illegal immigrants just fine without needing to ask everyone you see if they have proof that they're a citizen just because you have a hunch....
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:20:31pm |
re: #469 freetoken
So you're a supporter of the AZ law?
I'm a supporter of the right of people to vote and have their votes count. If AZ wants this law, and NV wants that law, etc., then even though the laws may specify completely opposite policies, provided they're constitutional, I support their right to make the decision and see how they like the consequences.
We shall see, eventually, whether the AZ law is constitutional. I don't know. If it's unconstitutional, it should be struck down. If it is constitutional, then AZ will find out whether they like the consequences or not.
Politics is to a considerable extent an experimental science. It's certainly not the domain of Platonic logic.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:21:26pm |
re: #477 LudwigVanQuixote
For the record, all ewoks should be shot or lightsabered before they can sing :)
Even Jedi agree with that ;)
True. Sadly, it wasn't me who trained the troops Palpatine sent to Endor. If it had been, they would have simply formed a perimeter around the shield generator and held the line. Of course, since Varek took command, I've even been able to get his troops to shoot straight.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:22:37pm |
re: #488 lostlakehiker
I'm a supporter of the right of people to vote and have their votes count. If AZ wants this law, and NV wants that law, etc., then even though the laws may specify completely opposite policies, provided they're constitutional, I support their right to make the decision and see how they like the consequences.
We shall see, eventually, whether the AZ law is constitutional. I don't know. If it's unconstitutional, it should be struck down. If it is constitutional, then AZ will find out whether they like the consequences or not.
Politics is to a considerable extent an experimental science. It's certainly not the domain of Platonic logic.
I don't think we need the courts to tell us if a law that allowed cops to force people to prove they were citizens without the people in question having committed any crimes is constitutional or not.
Of course said law has since had the offending aspects of it filed off luckily...
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:22:45pm |
re: #474 Obdicut
A friend from college had to confront this issue. Her boys (when 2) asked her "Mommy, aren't we going to play the sucking on the hotdog game?"
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:22:54pm |
re: #474 Obdicut
Ugh. Well that hits very close to home. We fostered a teenager 15 years ago who grew up and did well. We are quite close. Anyway last year she came home after a trip to find new hubby raping the two year old daughter. His defense attorney tried to put the blame for certain injuries on the 5 year old son. I never knew the sheer necessity of help with anger (rage) management until that dark day.
I am convinced. Earlier. But lets get some good studies done. wow. BBL.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:22:59pm |
re: #486 sagehen
And the shift foreman got them to ration 2 days of food and water to last 17 days. Nes gadol haya sham.
Sure. But that proves that 2 days of food and water can be used to hydrate and sustain 33 men for 17 days in an emergency. The survivability was due to the nature and science of human biology and the ability of the human brain to provide coping mechanisms through adjustments in typical behavior.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:24:51pm |
re: #485 LudwigVanQuixote
Shifting the conversation, though, is only for the sake of the adults. There is no harm to kids in explaining what sex is when they're young. Until puberty hits, it's going to be of very mild interest to them-- educating them about it doesn't lead to prepubescent sexual activity.
There is a very small correlation between sexual education and earlier sexual experimentation (post-pubescent); there is a much stronger correlation between sexual education and safe sex and fewer risky sexual behaviors.
That being said, you're totally right that there isn't a need to educating kids on the mechanics of sex before puberty, but they do need to know, explicitly, that there are adults who will force children to have sex with them and that this is wrong and they should never feel that it is their fault and that they should tell someone whenever it happens. We dance around that issue far too much; protecting their sense of innocence leaves them vulnerable to actual harm.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:25:51pm |
re: #489 Dark_Falcon
True. Sadly, it wasn't me who trained the troops Palpatine sent to Endor. If it had been, they would have simply formed a perimeter around the shield generator and held the line. Of course, since Varek took command, I've even been able to get his troops to shoot straight.
Evil is strong, but it has terrible aim. Of course, the fact that storm trooper armor was made by Haliburton did not help. They cost 200,000 credits a suit and can't stop rocks.
But that is what you get when Darth Cheney holds sway....
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:26:33pm |
How fucked up is this?
Military ballots may not count in Illinois
The U.S. Justice Department is investigating whether the state of Illinois missed the deadline for mailing absentee ballots to members of the military and other overseas American voters as part of a new federal overseas voting law.
Cris Cray, Director of Legislation at the Illinois State Board of Elections, says not all of Illinois' 110 jurisdictions were compliant with the 2009 Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act (MOVE).
The law requires every state to mail their absentee ballots 45 days prior to Election Day to overseas troops, government employees and other Americans who want to vote from abroad.
Cray says she is currently compiling data from each of Illinois' jurisdictions to determine which were compliant and which were delinquent. Cray said it's possible the ballots may not be counted because the state was tardy in sending them out.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:26:38pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:26:52pm |
re: #495 LudwigVanQuixote
Evil is strong, but it has terrible aim. Of course, the fact that storm trooper armor was made by Haliburton did not help. They cost 200,000 credits a suit and can't stop rocks.
But that is what you get when Darth Cheney holds sway...
Don't pin Cheney on us!
He's a Jedi.
Deal with it.
:P
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:27:01pm |
re: #487 jamesfirecat
Dude didn't Obama send Arizona a bunch of money for more border guards and fence building?
And you can identify illegal immigrants just fine without needing to ask everyone you see if they have proof that they're a citizen just because you have a hunch...
Nobody proposed to do that. Certainly not AZ.
You're attacking a straw man. You say that you object to the prospect that citizens and legal immigrants will be hassled. But you will fight any measure, no matter how seamlessly smooth and hassle free it is for citizens and legal residents, that could have the effect of identifying and deporting illegal immigrants.
As to the fence, and border guards, whatever the numbers are, they are nowhere near what would be needed to more or less seal the border.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:27:10pm |
re: #494 Obdicut
Shifting the conversation, though, is only for the sake of the adults. There is no harm to kids in explaining what sex is when they're young. Until puberty hits, it's going to be of very mild interest to them-- educating them about it doesn't lead to prepubescent sexual activity.
There is a very small correlation between sexual education and earlier sexual experimentation (post-pubescent); there is a much stronger correlation between sexual education and safe sex and fewer risky sexual behaviors.
That being said, you're totally right that there isn't a need to educating kids on the mechanics of sex before puberty, but they do need to know, explicitly, that there are adults who will force children to have sex with them and that this is wrong and they should never feel that it is their fault and that they should tell someone whenever it happens. We dance around that issue far too much; protecting their sense of innocence leaves them vulnerable to actual harm.
Our views are very much in sync. I would prefer that kids could be kids a little longer, but yes, you have many points that are completely valid.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:27:18pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:27:32pm |
"Private parts are private." This is definitely a problem for the lady who ia serial dater with kids. Or, just trying to find a decent baby sitter. Kids are so GD vulnerable.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:27:50pm |
re: #499 Varek Raith
Don't pin Cheney on us!
He's a Jedi.
Deal with it.
:P
I didn't know Jedis eat babies.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:28:02pm |
re: #500 lostlakehiker
Nobody proposed to do that. Certainly not AZ.
You're attacking a straw man. You say that you object to the prospect that citizens and legal immigrants will be hassled. But you will fight any measure, no matter how seamlessly smooth and hassle free it is for citizens and legal residents, that could have the effect of identifying and deporting illegal immigrants.
As to the fence, and border guards, whatever the numbers are, they are nowhere near what would be needed to more or less seal the border.
"But you will fight any measure, no matter how seamlessly smooth and hassle free it is for citizens and legal residents, that could have the effect of identifying and deporting illegal immigrants."
And in the same quote you accuse me of attacking a straw man.
Bra-vo!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:28:28pm |
re: #499 Varek Raith
Don't pin Cheney on us!
He's a Jedi.
Deal with it.
:P
Cheney a Jedi? Really? How does he exemplify passionless moral strength, self sacrifice, the pursuit of wisdom and service to the greater good?
Please, even talking to him is a dark side point!
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:28:32pm |
re: #492 Rightwingconspirator
Ugh. Well that hits very close to home. We fostered a teenager 15 years ago who grew up and did well. We are quite close. Anyway last year she came home after a trip to find new hubby raping the two year old daughter. His defense attorney tried to put the blame for certain injuries on the 5 year old son. I never knew the sheer necessity of help with anger (rage) management until that dark day.
I am convinced. Earlier. But lets get some good studies done. wow. BBL.
I'm really sorry to hear that. I myself was raped at the age of eight, repeatedly; at least please know that such an incident doesn't doom the child to a lifetime of misery and rage. I'm a really happy guy, married to a wonderful girl, and my life is full of joys. I'm sure you'll be there for your foster-daughter and her daughter; that's what's needed more than anything else. The shame is the most dangerous part.
And I just don't get how anyone can see children as sexual objects. Didn't make sense to me then, doesn't make sense to me now.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:28:44pm |
re: #504 NJDhockeyfan
I didn't know Jedis eat babies.
Don't be fooled by their propaganda.
They're the worst kind of evil.
The devious, hidden kind.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:29:03pm |
re: #460 NJDhockeyfan
A gay blogger is not impressed with senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett...
I guess he missed her actual message that we should be teaching our young people to be tolerant of diversity and try to enjoy each other for our differences, not single them out for ridicule.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:29:44pm |
re: #507 Obdicut
Sweetie. You had made off hand mentions before. Survivors are stronger than the past.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:29:51pm |
re: #500 lostlakehiker
You're attacking a straw man. You say that you object to the prospect that citizens and legal immigrants will be hassled. But you will fight any measure, no matter how seamlessly smooth and hassle free it is for citizens and legal residents, that could have the effect of identifying and deporting illegal immigrants.
How on earth can you accuse him of attacking a straw man, and then immediately construct a strawman and attack it? Doesn't some onboard irony meter peg out at that point?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:30:17pm |
re: #494 Obdicut
Shifting the conversation, though, is only for the sake of the adults. There is no harm to kids in explaining what sex is when they're young. Until puberty hits, it's going to be of very mild interest to them-- educating them about it doesn't lead to prepubescent sexual activity.
There is a very small correlation between sexual education and earlier sexual experimentation (post-pubescent); there is a much stronger correlation between sexual education and safe sex and fewer risky sexual behaviors.
That being said, you're totally right that there isn't a need to educating kids on the mechanics of sex before puberty, but they do need to know, explicitly, that there are adults who will force children to have sex with them and that this is wrong and they should never feel that it is their fault and that they should tell someone whenever it happens. We dance around that issue far too much; protecting their sense of innocence leaves them vulnerable to actual harm.
Agree with you.
My kid didn't let me dance around, she knew I was not answering her questions to the fullest extent, and wouldn't let go of the question. She was six.
Fortunately - there a lot of good books that help parents with these conversations, in age appropriate ways, and I suggest every parent have one or two of these books on hand by the time your children or 3 or so, because you never know when the topic is going to come up, and your kid is going to insist on an answer.
We have in town here, the Woman's Hospital, which is where babies are born (also caters to women's health in other ways, as well). They have regular series of classes for parents and their daughters (or sons) to explain the differences between boys and girls, puberty, changes, etc. These are an excellent starting point for conversations with your kid about sex.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:30:17pm |
re: #490 jamesfirecat
Quite correctly. re: #497 NJDhockeyfan
How fucked up is this?
The state, quite by accident, and not in any way intending to deprive anyone who SHOULD have the right to vote of that right, just couldn't get around to it in time. They only had a couple of years, and there was just so much other pressing business.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:31:41pm |
re: #508 Varek Raith
Don't be fooled by their propaganda.
They're the worst kind of evil.
The devious, hidden kind.
Well there was that time when Master Vodon Gash drank way too much Tarisian Ale and started impromptu karaoke....
And then there was that time when Nomi Sunrider developed certain "other techniques" to feel people with the force, but hey that's just being a little kinky!
At least we don't need to use the mind trick to get laid!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:32:03pm |
re: #500 lostlakehiker
Nobody proposed to do that. Certainly not AZ.
You're attacking a straw man. You say that you object to the prospect that citizens and legal immigrants will be hassled. But you will fight any measure, no matter how seamlessly smooth and hassle free it is for citizens and legal residents, that could have the effect of identifying and deporting illegal immigrants.
As to the fence, and border guards, whatever the numbers are, they are nowhere near what would be needed to more or less seal the border.
Just to show no hards feelings and that in point of fact I am open to debate, let me hear your sugestions for what we can do to identify and deport illegal immgrants without hassling our native population and legal ones and I'll tell you if I support them or not.
That said I do consider the "border fence" a pathetic dream that will never work. Even if we built a million miles high, illegals would just sail across the Gulf of Mexico to get to the USA.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:32:20pm |
re: #517 LudwigVanQuixote
Well there was that time when Master Vodon Gash drank way too much Tarisian Ale and started impromptu karaoke...
And then there was that time when Nomi Sunrider developed certain "other techniques" to feel people with the force, but hey that's just being a little kinky!
At least we don't need to use the mind trick to get laid!
Like Jedi ever get laid to begin with.
:P
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:33:13pm |
re: #511 prairiefire
Sweetie. You had made off hand mentions before. Survivors are stronger than the past.
Things like this are awful, but they need to be talked about. The rates of incidence are so depressingly high. I think a large part of it is because our society places so little trust in kids and teenagers; there's such a burden of shame attached to abuse that it means that they generally won't reveal it. Sometimes they will, if they have someone they really trust, but shame is a hell of a silencer.
I think it helps to reduce the shame for kids for them to hear that other people have had this happen, and come out the other side of it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:33:54pm |
re: #519 Varek Raith
Like Jedi ever get laid to begin with.
:P
Why do you think we wear robes all the time... geesh... All that black armor takes forever to get out of.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:35:01pm |
re: #520 Obdicut
Things like this are awful, but they need to be talked about. The rates of incidence are so depressingly high. I think a large part of it is because our society places so little trust in kids and teenagers; there's such a burden of shame attached to abuse that it means that they generally won't reveal it. Sometimes they will, if they have someone they really trust, but shame is a hell of a silencer.
I think it helps to reduce the shame for kids for them to hear that other people have had this happen, and come out the other side of it.
You are right, of course. And very depressing.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:35:57pm |
re: #520 Obdicut
There is a large burden on under aged parents to find day care while they work. Too often they find shitty day care.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:36:11pm |
re: #507 Obdicut
I'm really sorry to hear that. I myself was raped at the age of eight, repeatedly; at least please know that such an incident doesn't doom the child to a lifetime of misery and rage. I'm a really happy guy, married to a wonderful girl, and my life is full of joys. I'm sure you'll be there for your foster-daughter and her daughter; that's what's needed more than anything else. The shame is the most dangerous part.
And I just don't get how anyone can see children as sexual objects. Didn't make sense to me then, doesn't make sense to me now.
Gawd, that's awful.
You are absolutely right that there is no shame in being a victim of that kind of thing. I once had a student who'd been put through a humdinger of an ordeal, kidnapped, raped, the whole nine yards. She got away and managed to call down the law on the bad guys. It was in our papers, but they didn't say who it was, so I didn't know---except she needed an excused absence so she could testify at the trial.
I told her we were all as proud as could be of her.
They were convicted and sent off to long, long prison terms.
I deliberately forgot her name.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:37:55pm |
re: #497 NJDhockeyfan
How fucked up is this?
Seriously fucked up. I smell the Dem Machine up to its tricks. Thankfully, Bill Brady's campaign and the Chicago Tribune will do their level best to see those votes counted. I even expect Pat Quinn to make an effort to get the ballots counted (he is an honest man, just not the right man for the job). Our troops deserve nothing less.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:39:00pm |
re: #507 Obdicut
That is very kind of you to share. I hope the youngster can do as well. Mom is a woman on a mission. To get her kids back from the state, since the now imprisoned hubby claimed she was complicit. We talk often. Help as we can. I want to just bring her "home" and hold her like back when.
Those who see children as sex objects must get help. Or a good tall bridge with a diving board. I'm fine either way.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:41:59pm |
re: #525 Dark_Falcon
Seriously fucked up. I smell the Dem Machine up to its tricks. Thankfully, Bill Brady's campaign and the Chicago Tribune will do their level best to see those votes counted. I even expect Pat Quinn to make an effort to get the ballots counted (he is an honest man, just not the right man for the job). Our troops deserve nothing less.
Charter a plane for the ballots. Get a judge to push the deadline. Whatever. Get It Done.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:42:05pm |
re: #525 Dark_Falcon
Seriously fucked up. I smell the Dem Machine up to its tricks. Thankfully, Bill Brady's campaign and the Chicago Tribune will do their level best to see those votes counted. I even expect Pat Quinn to make an effort to get the ballots counted (he is an honest man, just not the right man for the job). Our troops deserve nothing less.
Oh Dark, can a car crash in Illinois without the "Dem Machine" being responsible?
Seriously man I respect you but you need to stop using that phrase quite so often.
That said I don't live in Illionis and have never visited it, so maybe it is as corrupt as you claim to be, I'm just saying you should consider moderating your rehtoric....
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:44:19pm |
re: #529 jamesfirecat
Oh Dark, can a car crash in Illinois without the "Dem Machine" being responsible?
Seriously man I respect you but you need to stop using that phrase quite so often.
That said I don't live in Illionis and have never visited it, so maybe it is as corrupt as you claim to be, I'm just saying you should consider moderating your rehtoric...
Reads like a minor screw up:
St. Clair County Clerk Bob Delaney said 1,297 overseas military ballots — many of them connected with Scott Air Force Base — didn’t get sent out until Oct. 4, primarily because he was waiting for a decision on whether the Constitution Party would be allowed on the ballot.
So we're talking 1,297 votes and the Feds are looking into it. I'm willing to bet the Feds will give a green light considering the politically charged nature of military votes.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:46:06pm |
re: #518 jamesfirecat
Just to show no hards feelings and that in point of fact I am open to debate, let me hear your sugestions for what we can do to identify and deport illegal immgrants without hassling our native population and legal ones and I'll tell you if I support them or not.
That said I do consider the "border fence" a pathetic dream that will never work. Even if we built a million miles high, illegals would just sail across the Gulf of Mexico to get to the USA.
We could arrange that drivers licenses be given security features so strong that forgery was effectively impossible. Next, make it an option that anyone who has a passport, or can qualify for one, can get their drivers license have built into the security features a citizenship/legal resident code. Authorized law enforcement personnel, when "swiping" the card to see if it's real and not fake, would learn, en passant, that the person is definitely a citizen/legal resident.
If you want the citizenship feature on the DL but don't want to pay the passport fee, just "qualify" and you'd get your DL-citizen card for no additional charge.
Similar features could be built into almost any official ID.
If the law never brings up citizenship except in connection with a stop where they'd have to ask for that kind of ID anyhow, and if the law tapes all stops so the evidence that the stop was justified (or not, as may be) is right there, then a legal resident/citizen is not likely to face any extra hassle as a result of looking or dressing a lot like many illegal immigrants.
Of course, hiking north through the border areas of the desert at night might get you hassled, but ordinary daily life would proceed seamlessly and hassle free. Those who lacked such ID would mostly be illegals, but when a citizen/legal resident was stopped and the matter had to be looked into further, they could be issued such an ID the moment the matter was resolved, so that it would never happen again.
And indemnified for the inconvenience.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:46:18pm |
re: #530 Gus 802
Reads like a minor screw up:
So we're talking 1,297 votes and the Feds are looking into it. I'm willing to bet the Feds will give a green light considering the politically charged nature of military votes.
If we're lucky the race will be close enough that for better or worse those 1,297 votes don't ever even need to be opened.... though sometimes you have to wonder if that sort of doesn't also suck for our troops oversees... I mean you always know that your vote can be over turned by the votes of two idiots, but its frequently not so painfully made manifest....
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:47:15pm |
re: #529 jamesfirecat
Oh Dark, can a car crash in Illinois without the "Dem Machine" being responsible?
Seriously man I respect you but you need to stop using that phrase quite so often.
That said I don't live in Illionis and have never visited it, so maybe it is as corrupt as you claim to be, I'm just saying you should consider moderating your rehtoric...
I've lived in Illinois. Downstate. It really is that corrupt. Even in Dar al Republicans.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:47:30pm |
re: #531 prairiefire
1297 votes for Kirk.
Nah. Just because they're military votes? People always assume that military folks will vote for Republicans. It's probably split. At the most maybe 66 percent for the GOP.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:47:54pm |
re: #426 HoosierHoops
We had an Earthquake in Norman today
Next up..Locust
Yeah.
Word was that you didn't notice what with that coed and your trailer already rockin' and all.
Not that I said that, sure was that other guy.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:47:54pm |
re: #530 Gus 802
Reads like a minor screw up:
So we're talking 1,297 votes and the Feds are looking into it. I'm willing to bet the Feds will give a green light considering the politically charged nature of military votes.
Quite Concur. and it might well have been a screw-up. I'm just distrustful, given some of the scandals we've had here.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:48:29pm |
re: #532 lostlakehiker
We could arrange that drivers licenses be given security features so strong that forgery was effectively impossible. Next, make it an option that anyone who has a passport, or can qualify for one, can get their drivers license have built into the security features a citizenship/legal resident code. Authorized law enforcement personnel, when "swiping" the card to see if it's real and not fake, would learn, en passant, that the person is definitely a citizen/legal resident.
If you want the citizenship feature on the DL but don't want to pay the passport fee, just "qualify" and you'd get your DL-citizen card for no additional charge.
Similar features could be built into almost any official ID.
If the law never brings up citizenship except in connection with a stop where they'd have to ask for that kind of ID anyhow, and if the law tapes all stops so the evidence that the stop was justified (or not, as may be) is right there, then a legal resident/citizen is not likely to face any extra hassle as a result of looking or dressing a lot like many illegal immigrants.
Of course, hiking north through the border areas of the desert at night might get you hassled, but ordinary daily life would proceed seamlessly and hassle free. Those who lacked such ID would mostly be illegals, but when a citizen/legal resident was stopped and the matter had to be looked into further, they could be issued such an ID the moment the matter was resolved, so that it would never happen again.
And indemnified for the inconvenience.
Sounds fairly reasonable, think it can over come the ZOOMYGODTHEFEDSAREPUTTINGCOMPUTERCHIPSINOURWALLETSTOKEEPTRACKOFUSANDSENDUSALLOFFTOFEMAEDUCATIONCAMPS crowd?
Also what are your thoughts on the possible futility of building a fence?
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:49:09pm |
re: #535 Gus 802
Nah. Just because they're military votes? People always assume that military folks will vote for Republicans. It's probably split. At the most maybe 66 percent for the GOP.
Didn't Obama win out over McCain with the enlisted men but lose when it came to the officers?
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:50:00pm |
re: #537 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. and it might well have been a screw-up. I'm just distrustful, given some of the scandals we've had here.
Yep. But think about it. Don't you want the Feds looking over votes in Illinois? I mean if you're going to believe the corruption stories. Doesn't really matter that it's military votes. The boob was late. Beside, they won't count the votes until almost a week after election day. There's plenty of time to resolve this.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:51:15pm |
re: #533 jamesfirecat
If we're lucky the race will be close enough that for better or worse those 1,297 votes don't ever even need to be opened... though sometimes you have to wonder if that sort of doesn't also suck for our troops oversees... I mean you always know that your vote can be over turned by the votes of two idiots, but its frequently not so painfully made manifest...
Honestly, Kirk and Brady need to win by a bigger margin than 1297. If that was their margin in the actual vote, then the Dems might well win by fraud. Pat Quinn, like Obama, is clean. But Chicago is quite corrupt, and 'finding' 200 thousand graveyard voters is something that has happened before.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:51:27pm |
re: #539 jamesfirecat
Didn't Obama win out over McCain with the enlisted men but lose when it came to the officers?
Interesting. I was going to mention that. That the enlisted would likely vote for the Dems while the officers would vote GOP. I really don't know the exact details.
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:51:34pm |
The Democratic Party is SKYNET.
Or SHODAN.
OR BOTH!!11ty!!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:51:52pm |
re: #541 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, Kirk and Brady need to win by a bigger margin than 1297. If that was their margin in the actual vote, then the Dems might well win by fraud. Pat Quinn, like Obama, is clean. But Chicago is quite corrupt, and 'finding' 2 thousand graveyard voters is something that has happened before.
PIMF (It's not that bad)
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:52:37pm |
re: #543 Varek Raith
The Democratic Party is SKYNET.
Or SHODAN.
OR BOTH!!11ty!!
In the end it boils down to Diebold!!11ty
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:53:17pm |
re: #535 Gus 802
Historically between 65-75% Republican military vote. I woule add in 7% for the pissed off Libertarians. :[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:53:41pm |
re: #544 Dark_Falcon
PIMF (It's not that bad)
(Not to make light of real election tampering but a guy has to joke every now and again...)
Even the pet cemetery voted for Bob, look! Mr. and Mrs. Bananas, Humphrey Boa-Gart...oh, my poor dead kitty, please not you too... [checks list, sees "Snowball I"] All right, Bob, now it's personal!
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:54:14pm |
Farq it all! dammit!!!
Just remembered my coffee pot had a flat or blew a gasket or some damn thing this morning and I need to go get another one so I don't do without tomorrow.
cheesnrice
dang
all that's open this late is some hypermegamart
dammittttallll
look out mr. coffee, here i come
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:54:31pm |
re: #542 Gus 802
Interesting. I was going to mention that. That the enlisted would likely vote for the Dems while the officers would vote GOP. I really don't know the exact details.
John McCain was a naval officer from a distinguished Navy family. For the officers, that means a lot. McCain is also loved by career officers for fighting to get them the funding they need.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:54:42pm |
re: #546 prairiefire
Historically between 65-75% Republican military vote. I woule add in 7% for the pissed off Libertarians. :[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]
OK so my 2/3rds guess was closer. But is that active duty?
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:56:09pm |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
John McCain was a naval officer from a distinguished Navy family. For the officers, that means a lot. McCain is also loved by career officers for fighting to get them the funding they need.
It's odd though. The Republicans will get you better gear. But the Democrats will get you better benefits. No?
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:56:28pm |
re: #521 LudwigVanQuixote
Why do you think we wear robes all the time... geesh... All that black armor takes forever to get out of.
A Zionist Overlord of Remulak also infiltrated the Jedi? Sweet.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:56:36pm |
re: #550 Gus 802
The yahoo answers question says "veterans."
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:56:54pm |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
John McCain was a naval officer from a distinguished Navy family. For the officers, that means a lot. McCain is also loved by career officers for fighting to get them the funding they need.
"McCain is also loved by career officers for fighting to get them the funding they need."
You know... if it was earlier in the day and the Daily show wasn't about to start, I'd really make something out of this...
As is my comments can only be "I feel that this sounds like it could be exactly the kind of you scratch my back, I scratch yours" we really DON'T need in politics today....
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:57:03pm |
re: #551 Gus 802
It's odd though. The Republicans will get you better gear. But the Democrats will get you better benefits. No?
K.
B.
R.
Nuff said.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:57:03pm |
re: #551 Gus 802
It's odd though. The Republicans will get you better gear. But the Democrats will get you better benefits. No?
Dunno about either. Remember back in the beginning of Iraq, when people were buying body armor for their sons?
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:57:16pm |
re: #542 Gus 802
Interesting. I was going to mention that. That the enlisted would likely vote for the Dems while the officers would vote GOP. I really don't know the exact details.
there used to be something which circulated among the ranks from time to time, purportedly from an early Army Officer's manual, which went like:
"Enlisted men are stupid, but exceedingly cunning and clever and bear considerable watching".
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:57:42pm |
I'm in the Top 10? Have you people been drinking?
Evening Honcos!!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:57:52pm |
re: #556 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno about either. Remember back in the beginning of Iraq, when people were buying body armor for their sons?
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had..."
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:58:40pm |
re: #554 jamesfirecat
"McCain is also loved by career officers for fighting to get them the funding they need."
You know... if it was earlier in the day and the Daily show wasn't about to start, I'd really make something out of this...
As is my comments can only be "I feel that this sounds like it could be exactly the kind of you scratch my back, I scratch yours" we really DON'T need in politics today...
F***, ignore this post. At the end fo the day it isn't my place to begrudge others for voting with their wallets.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:59:07pm |
re: #556 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno about either. Remember back in the beginning of Iraq, when people were buying body armor for their sons?
I remember that. God that sucked.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:59:10pm |
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palomino Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:00:45pm |
re: #498 Killgore Trout
But she does know the names of all the newspapers and magazines she doesn't read.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:00:56pm |
re: #557 Capitalist Tool
there used to be something which circulated among the ranks from time to time, purportedly from an early Army Officer's manual, which went like:
"Enlisted men are stupid, but exceedingly cunning and clever and bear considerable watching".
There's a funny thing that's supposed to be a list of things put on officer evaluations by the British Navy. My personal favorite: "I would not breed from this officer."
BTW, someone once posted here a very long list of ways to experience the Navy without actually joining. Does anyone remember? Can anyone post it? My Dad would have loved it, and I didn't keep it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:01:30pm |
re: #564 palomino
But she does know the names of all the newspapers and magazines she doesn't read.
All of them!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:01:33pm |
re: #564 palomino
But she does know the names of all the newspapers and magazines she doesn't read.
Don't they study up when someone gets crunched on-air?
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:01:59pm |
re: #556 SanFranciscoZionist
And shipping off the Silly String so they could find IEDs before they were killed by them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:02:27pm |
re: #568 prairiefire
And shipping off the Silly String so they could find IEDs before they were killed by them.
Trip wires.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:03:35pm |
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:03:41pm |
re: #569 Cannadian Club Akbar
Trip wires.
Before they realized they were setting off a couple of 500 pounders with a cell phone.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:03:55pm |
re: #564 palomino
But she does know the names of all the newspapers and magazines she doesn't read.
But can she see the Atlantic from her backyard??
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:04:10pm |
re: #554 jamesfirecat
"McCain is also loved by career officers for fighting to get them the funding they need."
You know... if it was earlier in the day and the Daily show wasn't about to start, I'd really make something out of this...
As is my comments can only be "I feel that this sounds like it could be exactly the kind of you scratch my back, I scratch yours" we really DON'T need in politics today...
There you go again....
/Reagan
Seriously though, James; People vote their interests. The military has things it wants funded and John McCain helps make sure that they get that funding. When he runs for office, those in or retried from the military tend to remember his stalwart support for them and vote accordingly.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:04:25pm |
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:04:59pm |
re: #568 prairiefire
And shipping off the Silly String so they could find IEDs before they were killed by them.
I almost remember that. I tell ya'. We had some serious face-palm moments in the early part of the Iraq War. Robert Gates and Petraeus were the best things that ever happened.
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palomino Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:05:29pm |
re: #539 jamesfirecat
Didn't Obama win out over McCain with the enlisted men but lose when it came to the officers?
That makes sense, given the overall differences in age (and likely ethnicity) between officers and enlisted men.
There's also a growing strain of evangelicalism in the career military. Remember General Numbnuts proclamation back in 2002 that we would win because "our God is better than theirs." He and his ilk aren't likely Dem voters.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:05:43pm |
re: #574 Dark_Falcon
There you go again...
/Reagan
Seriously though, James; People vote their interests. The military has things it wants funded and John McCain helps make sure that they get that funding. When he runs for office, those in or retried from the military tend to remember his stalwart support for them and vote accordingly.
Yeah, you're right.
See my 560.
Yeah I was making a mountain of a molehill with that post and regretted posting it about 60 seconds after it went up.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:05:45pm |
re: #572 Gus 802
Before they realized they were setting off a couple of 500 pounders with a cell phone.
I was thinking closed quarters. A 500 lb IED is for the street. Silly string can't help there.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:05:48pm |
re: #571 Cannadian Club Akbar
Watching the 4th episode. Pretty good
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:06:45pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:06:48pm |
re: #572 Gus 802
Before they realized they were setting off a couple of 500 pounders with a cell phone.
Well, we've gotten past that, thank God. We really weren't ready for the IEd campaign. We managed to come back and win, but too many good people paid the price for our lack of readiness.
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Digital Display Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:07:08pm |
re: #558 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm in the Top 10? Have you people been drinking?
Evening Honcos!!
Hey you! I've been working 12 hours a day and went through an Earthquake today.. Of course I'm drinking beer tonight
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webevintage Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:07:25pm |
re: #574 Dark_Falcon
There you go again...
/Reagan
Seriously though, James; People vote their interests. The military has things it wants funded and John McCain helps make sure that they get that funding. When he runs for office, those in or retried from the military tend to remember his stalwart support for them and vote accordingly.
John McCain does not have the best voting record on funding:
[Link: www.armytimes.com...]
The nation’s most prestigious group for Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans released a congressional scorecard on Tuesday that ranks Republican presidential candidate John McCain as having one of the worst voting records when it comes to supporting troops and veterans.
He skipped out on voting on the new GI Bill.
McCain's Miserable Record of Not Supporting America's Troops and Veterans
[Link: www.vetvoice.com...]
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:07:26pm |
re: #576 Gus 802
L. Paul Bremer. A lesson in fail.[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:08:23pm |
re: #583 HoosierHoops
Hey you! I've been working 12 hours a day and went through an Earthquake today.. Of course I'm drinking beer tonight
I thought of Winston this morning, hoping he was OK. Then I thought of you. So, what's shakin'?
/bad CCA, bad...
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:08:33pm |
re: #585 prairiefire
L. Paul Bremer. A lesson in fail.[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Thanks for reminding me. I keep forgetting about that ijit.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:08:53pm |
re: #570 Rightwingconspirator
Anyone else into "The Event" ?
Don't spoile me for this week's yet (yay Hulu, I'll watch it tomorrow), but they haven't lost me yet. Not as fannish as I hoped it would be, but it's good enough to keep watching.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:08:55pm |
re: #568 prairiefire
And shipping off the Silly String so they could find IEDs before they were killed by them.
Now, that was pretty damn brilliant.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:09:37pm |
re: #579 Cannadian Club Akbar
They would spray it to show off the laser lights between detonator and explosives. Then the IEDs became more sophisticated, with $ from who knows where, and they found they needed amour on the vehicles.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:10:05pm |
re: #590 prairiefire
They would spray it to show off the laser lights between detonator and explosives. Then the IEDs became more sophisticated, with $ from who knows where, and they found they needed amour on the vehicles.
IRAN!!!!
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:10:40pm |
re: #590 prairiefire
Was there armor on the military vehicles?
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webevintage Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:11:21pm |
[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]
Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
Not sure if that means he got more votes or not....
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:11:22pm |
re: #590 prairiefire
They would spray it to show off the laser lights between detonator and explosives. Then the IEDs became more sophisticated, with $ from who knows where, and they found they needed amour on the vehicles.
But the sophistication didn't really cost much. Just wiring and ordinary electronics and a cell phone. Rather inexpensive.
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:11:26pm |
re: #592 prairiefire
No, there was not armor on the military vehicles. President Truman would spit at this type of war.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:11:56pm |
re: #585 prairiefire
L. Paul Bremer. A lesson in fail.[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
True that. He was a disaster.
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BongGhazi Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:11:58pm |
re: #519 Varek Raith
Like Jedi ever get laid to begin with.
:P
I always wondered why, if the Force was strong within Luke, he fell in love with his sister.
You'd think that that might be one thing the Force would sorta try to steer you away from.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:12:09pm |
re: #592 prairiefire
Was there armor on the military vehicles?
The IED's had some kind of metal penetrating shit. They needed more. (I wanna say phosphorus in the explosive)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:13:06pm |
re: #597 BongCrodny
I always wondered why, if the Force was strong within Luke, he fell in love with his sister.
You'd think that that might be one thing the Force would sorta try to steer you away from.
She had a gold bikini and did coke on the set. Give him a break!!!
///
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palomino Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:13:23pm |
re: #567 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't they study up when someone gets crunched on-air?
Maybe I'm an elitist, but when a candidate begins an answer with "Oh, gosh" it makes it a little harder to take them seriously. Especially when they follow up with "I can't think of any [Supreme Court decisions] off the top of my head, but I'll put them up on my website."
This actually mirrors one of Palin's responses to Couric back in 2008. When stumped by a similar question about the SC, Palin responded with, "I'll look into it and get back to you."
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:13:47pm |
re: #595 prairiefire
No, there was not armor on the military vehicles. President Truman would spit at this type of war.
Not really. He was known for impounding defense money he had not requested. The Korean War found our Army more unready than Iraq found it, and Truman bears a large share of the blame.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:13:59pm |
re: #595 prairiefire
No, there was not armor on the military vehicles. President Truman would spit at this type of war.
You need a v-shaped armor plated "hull".
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prairiefire Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:15:02pm |
re: #601 Dark_Falcon
Not really. He was known for impounding defense money he had not requested. The Korean War found our Army more unready than Iraq found it, and Truman bears a large share of the blame.
Cheers, D_F, it is too late to argue the point.
Night, lizards.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:15:37pm |
re: #601 Dark_Falcon
Not really. He was known for impounding defense money he had not requested. The Korean War found our Army more unready than Iraq found it, and Truman bears a large share of the blame.
I'd argue once again that the Iraq War (the second version of it at least) was started on the US' time table.
If we're going to start a pre-emptive war it sort of behooves us to at least have all our ducks lined up before hand.
It wasn't like WW2 or Korea where we didn't see it coming ahead of time...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:16:06pm |
re: #598 Cannadian Club Akbar
The IED's had some kind of metal penetrating shit. They needed more. (I wanna say phosphorus in the explosive)
Explosively Formed Penetrator. Iraq brought the Penetrator vs. Armor cycle back with a Vengeance.
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webevintage Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:16:32pm |
re: #570 Rightwingconspirator
Anyone else into "The Event" ?
Normally that would be a show I am all over, but I just did not care after the first 2 episodes.
and I love Blair Underwood and Željko Ivanek...but meh...I think I am suffering from LOST.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:16:55pm |
re: #605 Dark_Falcon
Explosively Formed Penetrator. Iraq brought the Penetrator vs. Armor cycle back with a Vengeance.
Penetrator vs. Armor...
Worst porn, ever!
| 608 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:17:12pm |
re: #604 jamesfirecat
Also remember, Turkey didn't let us use their territory at the last minute. Big fuck you right there.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:17:33pm |
MRAP Cougar
Still. I wouldn't want to be in one if a 500 pounder went off below.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:18:18pm |
re: #608 Cannadian Club Akbar
Also remember, Turkey didn't let us use their territory at the last minute. Big fuck you right there.
That could have f***ed up our supply lines, but it doesn't explain stuff like lacking body armor for soldiers or needing to weld scrap metals onto our keeps for extra armor on them....
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:18:18pm |
re: #597 BongCrodny
I always wondered why, if the Force was strong within Luke, he fell in love with his sister.
You'd think that that might be one thing the Force would sorta try to steer you away from.
Well, depending on which interpretation of the Force you go by...
Perhaps it's simply attracted to other sources of itself. He's attracted to his sister BECAUSE he can sense the Force with her as well.
Or perhaps he's just twenty and wildly horny, and she looks like a young Carrie Fisher.
Generally, the Jedi have what I can only call a very sketchy record in the ethics department. Wouldn't have put it past the Jedi in their prime to try to breed the pair of them, hoping to get maxi midichlorian counts. Thank God for Han.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:18:41pm |
re: #609 Gus 802
MRAP Cougar
Still. I wouldn't want to be in one if a 500 pounder went off below.
True. But parking at the Mall during Christmas would be easy. Just sayin'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:19:00pm |
re: #600 palomino
Maybe I'm an elitist, but when a candidate begins an answer with "Oh, gosh" it makes it a little harder to take them seriously. Especially when they follow up with "I can't think of any [Supreme Court decisions] off the top of my head, but I'll put them up on my website."
This actually mirrors one of Palin's responses to Couric back in 2008. When stumped by a similar question about the SC, Palin responded with, "I'll look into it and get back to you."
Come on, O'Donnell. Talk about Kelo. You must know about Kelo.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:20:15pm |
re: #604 jamesfirecat
I'd argue once again that the Iraq War (the second version of it at least) was started on the US' time table.
If we're going to start a pre-emptive war it sort of behooves us to at least have all our ducks lined up before hand.
It wasn't like WW2 or Korea where we didn't see it coming ahead of time...
The problem was that we didn't think we'd be facing a protracted war. The Bush Administration thought it would be a Short, Victorious War. That did not happen.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:20:39pm |
re: #611 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, depending on which interpretation of the Force you go by...
Perhaps it's simply attracted to other sources of itself. He's attracted to his sister BECAUSE he can sense the Force with her as well.
Or perhaps he's just twenty and wildly horny, and she looks like a young Carrie Fisher.
Generally, the Jedi have what I can only call a very sketchy record in the ethics department. Wouldn't have put it past the Jedi in their prime to try to breed the pair of them, hoping to get maxi midichlorian counts. Thank God for Han.
Anyone remember the Friends episode where they talk about sexual fantasies, and at the end, Rachel is slipping into Ross's room wearing the Leia hair?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:20:40pm |
re: #610 jamesfirecat
That could have f***ed up our supply lines, but it doesn't explain stuff like lacking body armor for soldiers or needing to weld scrap metals onto our keeps for extra armor on them...
We could have crushed all in the way. There might have not been an insurgency. But I get your point.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:20:51pm |
re: #612 Cannadian Club Akbar
True. But parking at the Mall during Christmas would be easy. Just sayin'.
The real question is how much are they responsible for global warming?
//
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:21:09pm |
re: #606 webevintage
Lost made us look for answers. The Event seems to make us look for the question. Way better.
| 620 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:21:20pm |
re: #613 SanFranciscoZionist
Come on, O'Donnell. Talk about Kelo. You must know about Kelo.
I'm an idiot and I know Kelo. WTF?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:21:39pm |
re: #613 SanFranciscoZionist
Come on, O'Donnell. Talk about Kelo. You must know about Kelo.
Quite Concur.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:21:43pm |
re: #615 Dark_Falcon
The problem was that we didn't think we'd be facing a protracted war. The Bush Administration thought it would be a Short, Victorious War. That did not happen.
It's took late to start arguing about Iraq, but the Bush administration was smoking something. Colin Powell was right about the Pottery Barn analogy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:21:55pm |
re: #611 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, depending on which interpretation of the Force you go by...
Perhaps it's simply attracted to other sources of itself. He's attracted to his sister BECAUSE he can sense the Force with her as well.
Or perhaps he's just twenty and wildly horny, and she looks like a young Carrie Fisher.
Generally, the Jedi have what I can only call a very sketchy record in the ethics department. Wouldn't have put it past the Jedi in their prime to try to breed the pair of them, hoping to get maxi midichlorian counts. Thank God for Han.
nerd.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:21:56pm |
re: #558 Cannadian Club Akbar
You're always in the top 10.
Sometimes it's just posted!
LOL!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:22:40pm |
re: #615 Dark_Falcon
The problem was that we didn't think we'd be facing a protracted war. The Bush Administration thought it would be a Short, Victorious War. That did not happen.
That still doesn't explain the body armor thing to me.
Even in a short Victorious war you send in soldiers who have the best body armor imaginable....
Not to mention I'd argue that if you don't have a worst case scenario plan for a war you're about to start....
Well look how that turned out for the Japanese.
We haven't gotten it anywhere nearly as bad, but it seemed like the second Iraq war was more or less bungled from start to "finish" for a given value of "finished"
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:22:45pm |
re: #620 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm an idiot and I know Kelo. WTF?
I assume she doesn't like it, and it's very commonly discussed. I hear it brought up here plenty. I can't believe O'Donnell doesn't know enough about it to give a couple of sentences.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:22:51pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:23:33pm |
re: #583 HoosierHoops
Hello, you!
Earthquakes, bad weather, and you LIKE it there?
///
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:23:38pm |
re: #615 Dark_Falcon
The problem was that we didn't think we'd be facing a protracted war. The Bush Administration thought it would be a Short, Victorious War. That did not happen.
Yep. But we've always encountered the unexpected. Looks at Vietnam with Mig-15 and 17s shooting down our more sophisticated Phantoms. Even in the Civil war were the Union troops had to suddenly face the newer guerrilla like tactics of the Confederacy. Or suddenly having to deal with hedgerows after the Normandy invasion.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:24:02pm |
re: #626 SanFranciscoZionist
I assume she doesn't like it, and it's very commonly discussed. I hear it brought up here plenty. I can't believe O'Donnell doesn't know enough about it to give a couple of sentences.
Didn't John Paul Stvens actually have a threat of losing his property?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:24:16pm |
re: #623 Slumbering Behemoth
nerd.
You only just noticed this?
BTW, just 'cause I love you all: The Sith Academy. Best collection of screamingly funny slash fan-fic of all time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:24:45pm |
re: #628 Floral Giraffe
Hello, you!
Earthquakes, bad weather, and you LIKE it there?
///
2 words. Co Eds. Wait, what?
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:25:12pm |
re: #629 Gus 802
Yep. But we've always encountered the unexpected. Looks at Vietnam with Mig-15 and 17s shooting down our more sophisticated Phantoms. Even in the Civil war were the Union troops had to suddenly face the newer guerrilla like tactics of the Confederacy. Or suddenly having to deal with hedgerows after the Normandy invasion.
Those god damn hedgerows, from what I understand we saw them from the air, but we assumed they were nowhere near as tall like the British Version...
So if we had bothered to ask some of the Free French about this thing, we might have saved ourselves a lot of trouble...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:25:16pm |
re: #625 jamesfirecat
That still doesn't explain the body armor thing to me.
Even in a short Victorious war you send in soldiers who have the best body armor imaginable...
Not to mention I'd argue that if you don't have a worst case scenario plan for a war you're about to start...
Well look how that turned out for the Japanese.
We haven't gotten it anywhere nearly as bad, but it seemed like the second Iraq war was more or less bungled from start to "finish" for a given value of "finished"
We had enough armor for the force we sent initially. But then the insurgency started up and we sent in more troops than we'd thought we would need. The supplies were enough for the war we planned to fight, but not for the war we got.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:25:29pm |
re: #631 SanFranciscoZionist
You only just noticed this?
BTW, just 'cause I love you all: The Sith Academy. Best collection of screamingly funny slash fan-fic of all time.
"A true Sith lets his hate flow through him at all times. Exploit the fear of your opponents, and you shall be able to achieve anything."
"Yes, my Master."
"Good, now put your foot on the brake and shift out of park."
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:26:16pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:27:33pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:27:34pm |
re: #636 NJDhockeyfan
I don't know Kelo. Am I uniformed?
Connecticut. State took land to give to developers. For tax revenues. Was bullshit.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:27:39pm |
re: #634 Dark_Falcon
We had enough armor for the force we sent initially. But then the insurgency started up and we sent in more troops than we'd thought we would need. The supplies were enough for the war we planned to fight, but not for the war we got.
Fair enough... but I still think they were foolish bordering upon possibly out and out incompetent to not have even more forces waiting in the wings and ready to roll out as needed.
Also the fact that we totally fumbled the entire WMD thing, was just ASKING for it to turn into another Vietnam where lack of motivation turns the home front against the war.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:27:43pm |
re: #629 Gus 802
Yep. But we've always encountered the unexpected. Looks at Vietnam with Mig-15 and 17s shooting down our more sophisticated Phantoms. Even in the Civil war were the Union troops had to suddenly face the newer guerrilla like tactics of the Confederacy. Or suddenly having to deal with hedgerows after the Normandy invasion.
The solution to the hedgerows was in fact field-machined steel welded to the front of the tanks. It was called the Cullen Hedgerow Cutter, after the sergeant who devised it.
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webevintage Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:27:43pm |
"These are patriotic people who are trying to do their best everyday and they don't need me chirping at them...."
Condeleza Rice in response to Jon Stewart after he asked her for her if there was anything she would do different then what the current administration is doing.
Classy lady.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:29:01pm |
re: #641 webevintage
Condi is brilliant. And anyone who says different is a fucking moron. Period.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:29:10pm |
My husband adds, "Does this person think the power of the Force is stronger than the power of the penis? The Force is strong, but the power of the penis in a teenage boy in stronger."
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:29:25pm |
re: #633 jamesfirecat
Those god damn hedgerows, from what I understand we saw them from the air, but we assumed they were nowhere near as tall like the British Version...
So if we had bothered to ask some of the Free French about this thing, we might have saved ourselves a lot of trouble...
You think the Brits would have known given their proximity to France. The more insane part was that it wasn't just the hedges themselves but that it was quartered off in plots of land. In retrospect it was rather fortunate that we broke out of there within 6 months leading up till December 16th before all hell broke loose. After a long hard drive of course. The Nazis were decimated.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:29:26pm |
re: #641 webevintage
"These are patriotic people who are trying to do their best everyday and they don't need me chirping at them..."
Condeleza Rice in response to Jon Stewart after he asked her for her if there was anything she would do different then what the current administration is doing.
Classy lady.
I've got nothing bad to say about Condi.
The closest I can come is that she seemed to be either hoplessly smitten with George W. or doting on him like an Aunt....
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:30:55pm |
re: #637 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember that. What a bullshit decision by the SC.
BTW...I've been drunk in New London, Connecticut.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:31:20pm |
re: #644 Gus 802
You think the Brits would have known given their proximity to France. The more insane part was that it wasn't just the hedges themselves but that it was quartered off in plots of land. In retrospect it was rather fortunate that we broke out of there within 6 months leading up till December 16th before all hell broke loose. After a long hard drive of course. The Nazis were decimated.
From what I understand the hedgerows lead to a great big stalemate on both sides, which in turn gave us a chance to let loose with some MAJOR tactical air power....
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:32:33pm |
re: #646 NJDhockeyfan
I remember that. What a bullshit decision by the SC.
BTW...I've been drunk in New London, Connecticut.
The goal is to be drunk in every town you've been in. Every town.
/not really
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:32:54pm |
re: #645 jamesfirecat
I've got nothing bad to say about Condi.
The closest I can come is that she seemed to be either hoplessly smitten with George W. or doting on him like an Aunt...
She was not smitten, just loyal. George Bush returned that loyalty.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:33:27pm |
re: #647 jamesfirecat
From what I understand the hedgerows lead to a great big stalemate on both sides, which in turn gave us a chance to let loose with some MAJOR tactical air power...
Just a slow down and then the race into Paris.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:33:33pm |
re: #647 jamesfirecat
From what I understand the hedgerows lead to a great big stalemate on both sides, which in turn gave us a chance to let loose with some MAJOR tactical air power...
True. We used carpet bombing to great effect.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:33:37pm |
re: #642 Cannadian Club Akbar
Condi is brilliant. And anyone who says different is a fucking moron. Period.
I love Condi. Of course, my loving Condi goes back to when she was a big Soviet Jewry movement suporter back in the day.
Condi story: She was once in, I think Moscow, with some coworkers. This would have been the eighties sometime. They were speaking English, talking something over. A nearby Russian man pointed them out to his son, and said, "Look, those are Americans. At home, in their own country, black and white Americans wouldn't be able to work together and be friends like that."
Condi turned to him and said, in perfect Russian, "Sir, why are you telling your child misinformation like that?"
Floored him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:34:20pm |
re: #646 NJDhockeyfan
I remember that. What a bullshit decision by the SC.
BTW...I've been drunk in New London, Connecticut.
That's what I mean. Everyone hates Kelo, and everyone talks about Kelo. Made to order for O'Donnell.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:34:46pm |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
I love Condi. Of course, my loving Condi goes back to when she was a big Soviet Jewry movement suporter back in the day.
Condi story: She was once in, I think Moscow, with some coworkers. This would have been the eighties sometime. They were speaking English, talking something over. A nearby Russian man pointed them out to his son, and said, "Look, those are Americans. At home, in their own country, black and white Americans wouldn't be able to work together and be friends like that."
Condi turned to him and said, in perfect Russian, "Sir, why are you telling your child misinformation like that?"
Floored him.
That's a great story! Thanks :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:34:49pm |
re: #643 SanFranciscoZionist
My husband adds, "Does this person think the power of the Force is stronger than the power of the penis? The Force is strong, but the power of the penis in a teenage boy in stronger."
Force Choke + penis = a Jedi that even the worst of the Sith would avoid.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:35:09pm |
re: #649 Dark_Falcon
She was not smitten, just loyal. George Bush returned that loyalty.
Sorry, I'm just guilty amused by the fact that she referred to him as her "husband" at one point.
Cheap joke, but sometimes that's the best kind...
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:35:34pm |
re: #643 SanFranciscoZionist
My husband adds, "Does this person think the power of the Force is stronger than the power of the penis? The Force is strong, but the power of the penis in a teenage boy in stronger."
Viagra. One word.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:35:54pm |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
Now that is a Republican deserving of respect. Damn shame that is a rare breed. With a nod to my progressive friends, we all work best when well challenged.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:36:52pm |
FWIW, Condi Rice also makes hip boots work.:)
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Ojoe Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:36:58pm |
While we indulge in our fine political snits in the USA, blowing democratic and republican snot alternately out of each national nostril by plugging up the other and heaving the diaphragm;
the Iranians are every day one day closer to building the bomb, which they will use first chance they get.
Good Night.
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webevintage Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:37:30pm |
re: #642 Cannadian Club Akbar
Condi is brilliant. And anyone who says different is a fucking moron. Period.
she also said that she thinks:
"there is a lot of turning up volume of a few extreme voices on this issue. I don't believe that most Americans are Islamphobic.
First of all a lot of Americans have friends who are professing Islam. This is the most tolerant country in the world when it comes to other religions.
But I do think when you give a voice to very extreme people it gives a sense that America is a country it is not."
Pammie, I don't think Ms. Rice likes you much....
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:37:46pm |
re: #653 SanFranciscoZionist
That's what I mean. Everyone hates Kelo, and everyone talks about Kelo. Made to order for O'Donnell.
Well, she didn't use it. Foolish of her.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:38:27pm |
re: #661 Ojoe
While we indulge in our fine political snits in the USA, blowing democratic and republican snot alternately out of each national nostril by plugging up the other and heaving the diaphragm;
the Iranians are every day one day closer to building the bomb, which they will use first chance they get.
Good Night.
///Well then I guess we better invade at some point...
////// //// /// /// That or we clearly need to turn to the modern whig party to get the country back on track!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:39:32pm |
re: #662 webevintage
she also said that she thinks:
"there is a lot of turning up volume of a few extreme voices on this issue. I don't believe that most Americans are Islamphobic.
First of all a lot of Americans have friends who are professing Islam. This is the most tolerant country in the world when it comes to other religions.
But I do think when you give a voice to very extreme people it gives a sense that America is a country it is not."Pammie, I don't think Ms. Rice likes you much...
Pam will simply respond that Condi Rice is "preaching Islam!!1". Monomaniacs are nothing if not predictable.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:41:05pm |
re: #657 jamesfirecat
Sorry, I'm just guilty amused by the fact that she referred to him as her "husband" at one point.
Cheap joke, but sometimes that's the best kind...
Legend states that George Bush Sr. once announced 'we've had sex', referring to Dan Quayle. He quickly revised that to 'setbacks'.
When you're in the public eye that much, the wonder is that more weird stuff doesn't come out of your mouth.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:42:08pm |
re: #666 Dark_Falcon
That was disrespectful, James.
Sorry, I'll try to keep my MWP bashing to when I feel that Ojoe is worshiping the MBF from now on....
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shutdown Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:42:40pm |
re: #667 SanFranciscoZionist
...
When you're in the public eye that much, the wonder is that more weird stuff doesn't come out of your mouth.
There is something vaguely disturbing about the way you put that.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:43:10pm |
re: #668 jamesfirecat
Sorry, I'll try to keep my MWP bashing to when I feel that Ojoe is worshiping the MBF from now on...
MBF?
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:44:47pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:44:53pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:45:06pm |
Why does NPR have an issue with Colbert & Stewart rallies?
NPR staff told to stay away from Colbert, Stewart rallies if not covering them
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:45:26pm |
re: #642 Cannadian Club Akbar
Condi is brilliant. And anyone who says different is a fucking moron. Period.
Condi has lived a very intentional life. She is talented, bright, and focused.
Thus a scary person to many people. And a role model for others.
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shutdown Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:45:49pm |
re: #668 jamesfirecat
Sorry, I'll try to keep my MWP bashing to when I feel that Ojoe is worshiping the MBF from now on...
In the Discworld series created by Terry Pratchett, deities come into existence when enough people start to believe in them. Ergo, there is a Magical Balance Fairy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:46:48pm |
Watch this:
Now, watch this:
... and tell me that #@!$ from Focus on the Family doesn't turn your stomach.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:47:01pm |
re: #676 Floral Giraffe
Condi has lived a very intentional life. She is talented, bright, and focused.
Thus a scary person to many people. And a role model for others.
Condi is the person people should hold up when others question the American Dream.
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shutdown Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:47:08pm |
re: #674 NJDhockeyfan
Why does NPR have an issue with Colbert & Stewart rallies?
NPR staff told to stay away from Colbert, Stewart rallies if not covering them
Probably because Colbert & Stewart have a similar effect on people who take themselves way too seriously as Bartles & Jaymes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:48:22pm |
"Sorry, sir. The Sith Mind Whammy doesn't work on us. Hand over the targ and no one gets hurt."
"I paid good money for that targ. Just who do you think you are?" the shop owner demanded.
"We're the crossover police, and we're taking this animal back to the Star Trek universe where it belongs."
Maul and the shop owner immediately acknowledged defeat. No one had ever fought the crossover police and won before. The blue-suited posse bundled up the targ and hustled out of the store.
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Ojoe Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:49:04pm |
re: #672 jamesfirecat
It is lack of balance that has gotten the country to where it is now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:49:26pm |
re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar
Condi is the person people should hold up when others question the American Dream.
The guy who made her a Republican, OTOH, is someone I'd track down and berate, except he's probably dead.
Condi's dad, for the record, DID try to register as a Democrat.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:49:54pm |
re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar
Condi is the person people should hold up when others question the American Dream.
Meh. I don't look at Rice for platitudes. I admire her for her accomplishments and talents. I know I don't agree with her on everything but have always admired her. She's a highly intelligent policy wonk.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:50:11pm |
re: #677 imp_62
In the Discworld series created by Terry Pratchett, deities come into existence when enough people start to believe in them. Ergo, there is a Magical Balance Fairy.
I thought there also had to be a sudden gap or lack of belief in something else (see Hogsfather) so the MBF won't really come into existence until some other comonly held misconception falls out of favor...
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:50:12pm |
re: #611 SanFranciscoZionist
Generally, the Jedi have what I can only call a very sketchy record in the ethics department. Wouldn't have put it past the Jedi in their prime to try to breed the pair of them, hoping to get maxi midichlorian counts. Thank God for Han.
Jedi Kwisatz Haderach?
Everything after Empire is dead to me.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:50:18pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:50:54pm |
re: #682 Ojoe
It is lack of balance that has gotten the country to where it is now.
That doesn't make it okay to draw false equivalencies.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:52:42pm |
re: #684 Gus 802
Meh. I don't look at Rice for platitudes. I admire her for her accomplishments and talents. I know I don't agree with her on everything but have always admired her. She's a highly intelligent policy wonk.
I was talking about her accomplishments. Not her politics.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:52:47pm |
re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar
Condi is the person people should hold up when others question the American Dream.
What's wrong with Obama?
A black child being raised by a single parent who grows up to become President?
If you made a movie about that in 2005 nobody would believe it!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:53:31pm |
re: #681 SanFranciscoZionist
"Sorry, sir. The Sith Mind Whammy doesn't work on us. Hand over the targ and no one gets hurt."
"I paid good money for that targ. Just who do you think you are?" the shop owner demanded.
"We're the crossover police, and we're taking this animal back to the Star Trek universe where it belongs."
Maul and the shop owner immediately acknowledged defeat. No one had ever fought the crossover police and won before. The blue-suited posse bundled up the targ and hustled out of the store.
Varek can beat them. He's got me, his own private Chicago Thug. I'll just buy the crossover cops off.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:53:57pm |
re: #690 jamesfirecat
What's wrong with Obama?
A black child being raised by a single parent who grows up to become President?
If you made a movie about that in 2005 nobody would believe it!
I'm sure Hollywood is all over that...
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:53:58pm |
But if would say something regarding Rice and other politicos from that era. It just struck me that it kind of pissed me off that people like Bolton get so much attention yet Rice who is almost 10000 miles above him is rarely heard. Perhaps that because of her own decision to lead a private life. That said, we need more women like Rice then we need anymore Boltons if even one. One's bad enough.
Drink!
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shutdown Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:53:59pm |
re: #685 jamesfirecat
I thought there also had to be a sudden gap or lack of belief in something else (see Hogsfather) so the MBF won't really come into existence until some other comonly held misconception falls out of favor...
No, no. The Hogfather disappeared for different reasons, and was replaced by Death for that one fateful Hogswatch. In Small Gods, we are introduced to the theological foundation of the Discworld multiverse, in which gods fight to maintain their place in people's consciousness, as they otherwise are diminished in power and may ultimately disappear.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:55:45pm |
re: #694 imp_62
No, no. The Hogfather disappeared for different reasons, and was replaced by Death for that one fateful Hogswatch. In Small Gods, we are introduced to the theological foundation of the Discworld multiverse, in which gods fight to maintain their place in people's consciousness, as they otherwise are diminished in power and may ultimately disappear.
It wasn't just Death becoming the Hogfather, I distinctly recall that the UU had a bunch of weird folk creatures that previously had only existed in stories showed up as well.
So clearly a lack of belief in something bi means that for a while less beliefe is needed to catapult a being into existence.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:55:58pm |
re: #662 webevintage
she also said that she thinks:
"there is a lot of turning up volume of a few extreme voices on this issue. I don't believe that most Americans are Islamphobic.
First of all a lot of Americans have friends who are professing Islam. This is the most tolerant country in the world when it comes to other religions.
But I do think when you give a voice to very extreme people it gives a sense that America is a country it is not."Pammie, I don't think Ms. Rice likes you much...
re: #675 Gus 802
(You find the best stuff, Gus).
I've always liked her. Even when I was mad at her for promising a viable exit strategy in Iraq. I think she's brilliant.
She also fell out of favor with the Right and I'm not sure why that happened. I'd guess Pammie is no fan of hers either.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:56:21pm |
re: #685 jamesfirecat
I thought there also had to be a sudden gap or lack of belief in something else (see Hogsfather) so the MBF won't really come into existence until some other comonly held misconception falls out of favor...
Personal dignity and integrity, if enough people stop believing in those two then MBR pops into reality like Hawking radiation from a black hole.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:57:16pm |
re: #696 marjoriemoon
re: #675 Gus 802
(You find the best stuff, Gus).
I've always liked her. Even when I was mad at her for promising a viable exit strategy in Iraq. I think she's brilliant.
She also fell out of favor with the Right and I'm not sure why that happened. I'd guess Pammie is no fan of hers either.
Practically everyone fell out of favor with the Right, after a while.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:58:08pm |
re: #684 Gus 802
Meh. I don't look at Rice for platitudes. I admire her for her accomplishments and talents. I know I don't agree with her on everything but have always admired her. She's a highly intelligent policy wonk.
I like smart people. I don't know if she is literally "brilliant", although I wouldn't be surprised, but she's a smart lady. Real smarts being in short order these days, it's refreshing.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:58:15pm |
re: #693 Gus 802
Condi Rice is a gazzlion11eleveny above anyone voted into office right now. Punks.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:59:06pm |
re: #700 Cannadian Club Akbar
Condi Rice is a gazzlion11eleveny above anyone voted into office right now. Punks.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:59:10pm |
re: #696 marjoriemoon
re: #675 Gus 802
(You find the best stuff, Gus).
I've always liked her. Even when I was mad at her for promising a viable exit strategy in Iraq. I think she's brilliant.
She also fell out of favor with the Right and I'm not sure why that happened. I'd guess Pammie is no fan of hers either.
She believes in giving honest advice on foreign policy. The fashion on the right is go over-the-top and drum up urgency. She's not a fan of "Outrageous Outrages", either.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 8:59:29pm |
re: #693 Gus 802
But if would say something regarding Rice and other politicos from that era. It just struck me that it kind of pissed me off that people like Bolton get so much attention yet Rice who is almost 10000 miles above him is rarely heard. Perhaps that because of her own decision to lead a private life. That said, we need more women like Rice then we need anymore Boltons if even one. One's bad enough.
Drink!
Yea, that's gotta be it :P:P:P
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webevintage Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:01:05pm |
re: #690 jamesfirecat
What's wrong with Obama?
A black child being raised by a single parent who grows up to become President?
because he's a sekrit mooslim socialist.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:01:46pm |
re: #696 marjoriemoon
re: #675 Gus 802
(You find the best stuff, Gus).
I've always liked her. Even when I was mad at her for promising a viable exit strategy in Iraq. I think she's brilliant.
She also fell out of favor with the Right and I'm not sure why that happened. I'd guess Pammie is no fan of hers either.
I can't remember exactly why. My guess? It would probably be because of the push for Palestinian elections -- i.e. Hamas and Abbas?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:01:54pm |
re: #704 webevintage
because he's a sekrit mooslim socialist.
Who wishes he was half as smart as Condi.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:02:22pm |
re: #690 jamesfirecat
What's wrong with Obama?
A black child being raised by a single parent who grows up to become President?
If you made a movie about that in 2005 nobody would believe it!
I'll give you that and raise you one. When Deep Impact came out, (1998), it featured a black President of The United States. So being the smart ass i can be I said "Oh great the one thing less likely than an asteroid hit-A black President". Whoa. Gut check. Had that all wrong.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:03:34pm |
re: #707 Rightwingconspirator
I'll give you that and raise you one. When Deep Impact came out, (1998), it featured a black President of The United States. So being the smart ass i can be I said "Oh great the one thing less likely than an asteroid hit-A black President". Whoa. Gut check. Had that all wrong.
Are we gonna be pelted by asteroids now? Hold me!!
//
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:03:37pm |
re: #705 Gus 802
I can't remember exactly why. My guess? It would probably be because of the push for Palestinian elections -- i.e. Hamas and Abbas?
Maybe. But wasn't that a ruse to start a civil war. Backfired. Kinda like that exit strategy.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:06:01pm |
re: #710 marjoriemoon
Maybe. But wasn't that a ruse to start a civil war. Backfired. Kinda like that exit strategy.
I don't know. If you were to ask me I'd say they're all always looking for any excuse to start a civil war or any skirmish. They as in the Palestinians.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:07:53pm |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
I love Condi. Of course, my loving Condi goes back to when she was a big Soviet Jewry movement suporter back in the day.
Condi story: She was once in, I think Moscow, with some coworkers. This would have been the eighties sometime. They were speaking English, talking something over. A nearby Russian man pointed them out to his son, and said, "Look, those are Americans. At home, in their own country, black and white Americans wouldn't be able to work together and be friends like that."
Condi turned to him and said, in perfect Russian, "Sir, why are you telling your child misinformation like that?"
Floored him.
Not to one up or anything but:
At my son's wedding last year, the Russian wait staff was saying unkind things about some of the wedding guests. My 8-year-old granddaughter, who was raised in Moscow, said to them "I know what you're saying and if you don't bring me ice cream with extra chocolate sauce I'll tell those people what you said about them."
She got her ice cream sundae.
Future Condi?
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:08:13pm |
re: #711 Gus 802
I don't know. If you were to ask me I'd say they're all always looking for any excuse to start a civil war or any skirmish. They as in the Palestinians.
The idea to promote the elections was kind of like "divide and conquer", as I interpreted it. Get Hamas off to themselves and then Fatah would kick their ass. We were arming Fatah at the time, IIR. But it didn't work.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:08:32pm |
re: #708 Gus 802
Not buying it. And I'm not going through 6 pages of rubbish.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:09:01pm |
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boxhead Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:09:12pm |
re: #706 Cannadian Club Akbar
Who wishes he was half as smart as Condi.
Is that what people think now that Obama is not a smart person? Regardless of his politics, at least to me he seems to be a rather smart cat. I would think his achievements in his still young life would support that.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:09:20pm |
re: #714 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not buying it. And I'm not going through 6 pages of rubbish.
But it's really good rubbish!
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Digital Display Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:09:42pm |
Well I finally got off my lazy butt and hooked up the monster windows 7 box in the new place..Laptops make you lazy...Anybody wanna race an 8 core down the street? Didn't think so...LOL.. I need to multitask..Apps are calling me...Let's see scan for viruses, Do some blogging, log into work, email somebody and run a graphics program, download crap.. I'm running out of ideas..Dang!
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:10:28pm |
re: #713 marjoriemoon
The idea to promote the elections was kind of like "divide and conquer", as I interpreted it. Get Hamas off to themselves and then Fatah would kick their ass. We were arming Fatah at the time, IIR. But it didn't work.
Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, it didn't work. Hamas is clearly a dominant force in the PA. There was some street fighting during and after the elections right?
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:10:30pm |
re: #713 marjoriemoon
The idea to promote the elections was kind of like "divide and conquer", as I interpreted it. Get Hamas off to themselves and then Fatah would kick their ass. We were arming Fatah at the time, IIR. But it didn't work.
I miss the rooster.
Yes, someone ate him & he was tasty.
I miss his crowing.
Well, and to be honest, the bombs.
| 722 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:10:57pm |
re: #716 boxhead
I never said the President was stoopid. But he is no Condi. Sorry. Graduate from college when still a teen, then we can talk.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:11:03pm |
re: #690 jamesfirecat
What's wrong with Obama?
A black child being raised by a single parent who grows up to become President?
If you made a movie about that in 2005 nobody would believe it!
America! Fuck yeah!
/never thought I'd see it in my lifetime, and even though I did not vote for the dude, I am quite proud of the fact that this particular milestone was achieved in the here and now, rather than in some far flung future.
| 724 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:11:34pm |
re: #719 HoosierHoops
Well I finally got off my lazy butt and hooked up the monster windows 7 box in the new place..Laptops make you lazy...Anybody wanna race an 8 core down the street? Didn't think so...LOL.. I need to multitask..Apps are calling me...Let's see scan for viruses, Do some blogging, log into work, email somebody and run a graphics program, download crap.. I'm running out of ideas..Dang!
PORN!!!!
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boxhead Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:13:11pm |
re: #722 Cannadian Club Akbar
I never said the President was stoopid. But he is no Condi. Sorry. Graduate from college when still a teen, then we can talk.
cool cool.... wonder how condi liked being the smartest person in the room during cabinet meetings?
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:14:05pm |
re: #661 Ojoe
While we indulge in our fine political snits in the USA, blowing democratic and republican snot alternately out of each national nostril by plugging up the other and heaving the diaphragm;
the Iranians are every day one day closer to building the bomb, which they will use first chance they get.
Good Night.
Will they? Iran as a culture has endured conquest by Alexander, conquest by the armies of Muhammad, conquest by the Mongols, conquest by the Turks, and conquest of sorts by the British. They're still there. This is a people who somehow or other find a way to survive.
In this day and age, one key to survival is to not start a nuclear war with one or two warheads when the other side has hundreds. Iran is not like Iraq, subject to the rule of one bellicose madman. While a nuclear Iran will be a turn for the worse in the world, and it is much to be hoped that by fair means or foul they can be stopped, if they do somehow get themselves an arsenal, they will probably come to the realization that the things can't be used except in self defense, and even then they're high-risk toys.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:14:17pm |
re: #725 boxhead
cool cool... wonder how condi liked being the smartest person in the room during cabinet meetings?
I bet there is a dent in the table. Heh.
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palomino Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:15:16pm |
re: #615 Dark_Falcon
The problem was that we didn't think we'd be facing a protracted war. The Bush Administration thought it would be a Short, Victorious War. That did not happen.
Only a fool believes in "short victorious wars." There's always something--collateral damage or blowback or unintended consequences--to prevent a war from being either short or victorious. Even the relative success of our first Iraq War involved plenty of blowback and unforeseen consequences.
Funny thing about war: it stubbornly refuses to conform to the plans drawn up on maps by politicians and military strategists.
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boxhead Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:15:20pm |
re: #727 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bet there is a dent in the table. Heh.
lol.... more like eight on top and two under... aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr
| 730 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:15:25pm |
Anyone up to talk sword pr0n?
For today's installment:
I give you reconstructed German longsword techniques of the 15th and 16th century.
There are many who have a notion, due mostly to Hollywood, that only the Asians developed a high degree of martial arts. The reality is that of course there were great Western masters of Fence and they left many books on how to go about it.
Those who practice things like Kendo and Jujitsu will at once notice a certain familiarity of the moves and of course, major differences in philosophy and the physics required by the type of blades used.
| 731 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:16:40pm |
re: #730 LudwigVanQuixote
Can't I just use a gun?
/
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:16:45pm |
re: #714 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not buying it. And I'm not going through 6 pages of rubbish.
It's not so bad. The short of it is that many blame Bush and Rice for the PA elections that led to Hamas coming into power. My take on it is that it was really a zero sum gain since the PA was and still remains under the control of extremists. We gave them the chance to make the right choice and failed. They constantly make the wrong decisions regardless of what we and Israel do. Bibi offers concessions to the PA even last week. Right before the peace talks those bastards in Gaza went ahead in murdered that Israeli family. It's almost like they want to fail.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:16:55pm |
re: #712 Alouette
Not to one up or anything but:
At my son's wedding last year, the Russian wait staff was saying unkind things about some of the wedding guests. My 8-year-old granddaughter, who was raised in Moscow, said to them "I know what you're saying and if you don't bring me ice cream with extra chocolate sauce I'll tell those people what you said about them."
She got her ice cream sundae.
Future Condi?
Hehe... Russians aren't rude (by Russian standards)... it's just that way to everyone else.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:17:14pm |
re: #720 Gus 802
Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, it didn't work. Hamas is clearly a dominant force in the PA. There was some street fighting during and after the elections right?
That Vanity Fair article? I thought I saw it in Slate? Someone here put it up, but it brought all the pieces together.
Hamas basically were the guys who were against Arafat. After Arafat's death, Hamas pretty much seized on Abbas, being a much weaker fellow - less charismatic. And then the division happened and the fighting between them. 2006 it was? I'd have to go back to see the details. Hamas ended up taking Gaza.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:18:40pm |
re: #313 Dark_Falcon
Well, she's actually only saying what Charlie Daniels (a Democrat) said: WE helped force out the Soviets, but then promptly went back to ignoring Afghanistan, and we ultimately paid for that ignoring. O'Donnell's said some nutty things, but that really isn't one of them.
I'm a big Charlie Daniels (Band) fan and he's certainly no Democrat.
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boxhead Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:19:00pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:19:17pm |
re: #735 darthstar
I'm a big Charlie Daniels (Band) fan and he's certainly no Democrat.
You, sir, are a redneck.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:19:37pm |
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palomino Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:20:21pm |
re: #674 NJDhockeyfan
Why does NPR have an issue with Colbert & Stewart rallies?
NPR staff told to stay away from Colbert, Stewart rallies if not covering them
It's a quaint old practice called journalistic objectivity.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:20:42pm |
re: #731 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can't I just use a gun?
/
A graceless weapon from a less civilized age.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:20:59pm |
re: #738 Dark_Falcon
Sure, but at least admire the skill.
You do know the whole Indiana Jones scene happened because Harrison Ford had the runs, right?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:22:28pm |
re: #740 LudwigVanQuixote
A graceless weapon from a less civilized age.
True. But it leaves more time for corn dogs.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:23:17pm |
re: #737 Cannadian Club Akbar
You, sir, are a redneck.
I've seen Charlie Daniels live...with Bocephus (that's Hank Williams Jr. for you cityfolk)...
I grew up a redneck, but I'm probably the most cosmopolitan redneck you'll ever meet...and I'm about three light-years to the left of Dennis Kucinich politically. I love being a paradox.
| 744 |
Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:23:21pm |
Hi Kids! Long time no type too! Hows it shaking? Not going to stay long, I'm tired, just got home from a long day with my parents. I took Mommy Dearest to the pacemaker cardiologist guy who did the surgery for a follow up today and according the the little micro chip in her pacemaker she's been having short bursts of Ventricular Tachycardia which means she has a small blockage and they have to do some tests to find out where. Man I'll tell you the hoops they make you jump through to get in to see a doctor if you have HMO Health Insurance! Jeeze! All in all, she'll be okay. the doctor seemed real confident that all will be well after the next visit to her regular cardiologist. Seems she's getting a pacemaker monitor to hook up to her phone next the the nightstand so that every time she walks to within ten feet of it , it will automatically send a report via internet phone connection to the pacemaker monitoring center. Huh, who knew they even did things like that?
So hows life with all you Lizards out there? ;-)
| 745 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:24:16pm |
| 746 |
palomino Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:24:39pm |
re: #707 Rightwingconspirator
I'll give you that and raise you one. When Deep Impact came out, (1998), it featured a black President of The United States. So being the smart ass i can be I said "Oh great the one thing less likely than an asteroid hit-A black President". Whoa. Gut check. Had that all wrong.
I had the same experience with '24'. The only thing less likely than Kiefer Sutherland saving America singlehandedly in every episode was the election of a black president. Or so I thought.
| 747 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:24:40pm |
re: #741 Cannadian Club Akbar
You do know the whole Indiana Jones scene happened because Harrison Ford had the runs, right?
| 748 |
What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:25:09pm |
re: #732 Gus 802
It's not so bad. The short of it is that many blame Bush and Rice for the PA elections that led to Hamas coming into power. My take on it is that it was really a zero sum gain since the PA was and still remains under the control of extremists. We gave them the chance to make the right choice and failed. They constantly make the wrong decisions regardless of what we and Israel do. Bibi offers concessions to the PA even last week. Right before the peace talks those bastards in Gaza went ahead in murdered that Israeli family. It's almost like they want to fail.
The PA, though, was not in control of Hamas, which was the problem. If so, they would have killed their leaders. Hamas had their elections and Bush proudly pointed at their democracy. But as we all know, democratic vote without a free society is rather futile. In the meanwhile, Bush was funding Fatah. Makes ya kinda go hmmmm....
| 749 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:25:20pm |
re: #741 Cannadian Club Akbar
You do know the whole Indiana Jones scene happened because Harrison Ford had the runs, right?
Explain.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:25:30pm |
re: #647 jamesfirecat
From what I understand the hedgerows lead to a great big stalemate on both sides, which in turn gave us a chance to let loose with some MAJOR tactical air power...
I had the chance to visit the place not too long ago. Every little lane is a "sunken lane" in the spirit of some civil war battlefield (I can't place which one). Fields of fire stretch only a short distance, and tanks can hardly fit down the road, much less deploy to advantage.
The fighting came down to small unit tactics and heavy-handed artillery barrages. Little by little, we won, if only because we had enough ammo we could just annihilate any particular little plot if we wanted it badly enough.
The Germans put up a hell of a fight. Their "panzerfaust" (an early model RPG, basically) was deadly against tanks at close quarters. Their small unit leadership was better than ours; their small arms better, their training, better. (Our airborne and Ranger forces being the exception to that.)
It was not enough. We had more of everything, and better artillery command and control and observation systems. Command of the skies was not used to best advantage, because we were just beginning to implement some of the revolutionary ideas of Air Force general Pete Quesada [air power on tap, with a forward air controller riding with the command tank in every U.S. armored formation], but it still helped some.
| 751 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:25:42pm |
re: #744 Dragon_Lady
Hey D_L. Hope everything if fine.
| 752 |
Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:26:31pm |
| 753 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:27:20pm |
| 754 |
What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:28:40pm |
re: #732 Gus 802
It's not so bad. The short of it is that many blame Bush and Rice for the PA elections that led to Hamas coming into power. My take on it is that it was really a zero sum gain since the PA was and still remains under the control of extremists. We gave them the chance to make the right choice and failed. They constantly make the wrong decisions regardless of what we and Israel do. Bibi offers concessions to the PA even last week. Right before the peace talks those bastards in Gaza went ahead in murdered that Israeli family. It's almost like they want to fail.
Sorry, I misread you there!
Israel would be in a far better position without Hamas, but to say there would be peace? I can't say.
The murderers are usually, not always, on the Gaza side.
| 755 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:29:30pm |
re: #736 boxhead
Here is my favorite
[Video]
As far as western cinema sword fights, it is lots and lots of fun. Of course, I am actually left handed...
But seriously, real sword fights are over in seconds, not minutes. Someone makes an error or gets a shot in, and that is that.
Also, if it does go for a while, it is exhausting on an unbelievably draining level because of the very intense concentration and footwork involved. It really is a total body workout.
All in all, despite its over theatrics, this is probably the best rapier dueling in western movies.
| 756 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:29:44pm |
re: #749 Dark_Falcon
Explain.
They were supposed to shoot the scene and Harrison Ford had the runs. They (Spielberg) had a great idea. And it worked. See SB's post.
| 757 |
Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:30:39pm |
| 758 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:31:08pm |
re: #752 Dragon_Lady
We's good, how's with you?
Good. Got a small chat in with RWC. Haven't seen you in a while, but my schedule is upside down.:(
| 759 |
darthstar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:32:07pm |
re: #757 Dragon_Lady
Oh God that's funny, sad but funny. I had no Idea Harrison was suffering from dysentery, poor thing! But I gotta tell you it truly is one of MY favorite scenes!
Han Solo bathroom tissue?
| 760 |
What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:32:52pm |
| 761 |
Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:33:23pm |
re: #758 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good. Got a small chat in with RWC. Haven't seen you in a while, but my schedule is upside down.:(
Yeah, I haven't been on in a while. I get sucked in and don't get anything done around here so I haven't been logging in. RWC keeps me up to date though. Maybe when I get my i pad I'll be on more often.
| 762 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:33:51pm |
re: #750 lostlakehiker
I had the chance to visit the place not too long ago. Every little lane is a "sunken lane" in the spirit of some civil war battlefield (I can't place which one). Fields of fire stretch only a short distance, and tanks can hardly fit down the road, much less deploy to advantage.
The fighting came down to small unit tactics and heavy-handed artillery barrages. Little by little, we won, if only because we had enough ammo we could just annihilate any particular little plot if we wanted it badly enough.
The Germans put up a hell of a fight. Their "panzerfaust" (an early model RPG, basically) was deadly against tanks at close quarters. Their small unit leadership was better than ours; their small arms better, their training, better. (Our airborne and Ranger forces being the exception to that.)
It was not enough. We had more of everything, and better artillery command and control and observation systems. Command of the skies was not used to best advantage, because we were just beginning to implement some of the revolutionary ideas of Air Force general Pete Quesada [air power on tap, with a forward air controller riding with the command tank in every U.S. armored formation], but it still helped some.
Sunken lanes were features of the battles of Shiloh, Antietam, and Fredricksburg (the last having a sunken road behind a stone wall).
| 763 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:34:03pm |
re: #760 marjoriemoon
What would the world do without Snopes!
Oh, please. I've known this for years.
| 764 |
darthstar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:34:13pm |
re: #760 marjoriemoon
What would the world do without Snopes!
I link my father to snopes at least once a week when he sends Glenn Beck inspired emails about President Obama's battle against Jesus.
| 765 |
boxhead Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:35:54pm |
re: #764 darthstar
I link my father to snopes at least once a week when he sends Glenn Beck inspired emails about President Obama's battle against Jesus.
I do the same but they don't believe Snopes.... sigh
| 766 |
Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:36:09pm |
| 767 |
lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:37:22pm |
re: #538 jamesfirecat
Sounds fairly reasonable, think it can over come the ZOOMYGODTHEFEDSAREPUTTINGCOMPUTERCHIPSINOURWALLETS TOKEEPTRACKOFUSANDSENDUSALLOFFTOFEMAEDUCATIONCAMPS crowd?
Also what are your thoughts on the possible futility of building a fence?
The security features could be designed so they could not be read remotely, not even from two inches away. There are technical fixes to technical qualms.
A fence would help if patrolled and used along with other measures. There has to be a will to enforce border laws. Absent a will, every measure will fail. With it, when the coastal entry springs a leak, or visa overstays become the problem, that, too, can be addressed in turn.
Even a Berlin-wall style fence, without increased enforcement across the board, would be pointless. What is required is a full-court press, coupled with an amnesty that provides a "path to citizenship" to those who have been here for quite a while and who are already doing their part by learning English, obeying our other laws, and, if they arived as children, getting an education or, if as adults, working for a living.
| 768 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:37:45pm |
| 769 |
What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:38:02pm |
re: #763 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh, please. I've known this for years.
Clearly, I am not up on my Harrison Ford trivia.
| 770 |
Donna Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:38:22pm |
I hate to post and run Kids but I'm tired and gonna go catch some Zzzzz's. Type to you all later! Keep Laughing Everyone! :-)
| 771 |
Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:38:29pm |
re: #754 marjoriemoon
Sorry, I misread you there!
Israel would be in a far better position without Hamas, but to say there would be peace? I can't say.
The murderers are usually, not always, on the Gaza side.
That's the thing. There will always be a large majority of people on the PA side intent on sabotaging any peace effort. These peace efforts are futile since they don't even want to accept Israel as Jewish state. At the same time they don't even know what they want for themselves. They can't decide whether to be a secular Arab state or an Islamic state. Right now they're kind of mixed. At the same time the Arab League uses them to vent there own hatred against Israel. It also include the Syrian and the Iranians.
Look now at how Lebanon is treating the visit from Ahmadinejad as though they are being treated to a visit from a God. This while most of the civilized world just imposed serious sanctions against Iran his regime.
| 772 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:39:17pm |
| 773 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:40:04pm |
re: #760 marjoriemoon
What would the world do without Snopes!
Be free of communist, far leftist propaganda websites?
///
| 774 |
What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:40:44pm |
re: #764 darthstar
I link my father to snopes at least once a week when he sends Glenn Beck inspired emails about President Obama's battle against Jesus.
Sorry to hear about that. Sometimes it's best to just avoid the subject if possible, but I applaud your efforts!
I've been blessed to have parents who think like me hehe. I've learned a lot from them. Politics has always been a main course at family dinners and even when I was a kid and didn't know what they were saying, I liked hearing it.
| 775 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:41:34pm |
re: #768 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll see that and raise you Ziyi Zhang and Michelle Yeoh :)
If you ignore the wire work, this is incredibly technical and good.
| 776 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:42:57pm |
All righty you commie, pinko, weirdo's, I'm out for the night. See ya'll in the morning. :) HAR!!
| 777 |
BongGhazi Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:43:31pm |
re: #694 imp_62
No, no. The Hogfather disappeared for different reasons, and was replaced by Death for that one fateful Hogswatch. In Small Gods, we are introduced to the theological foundation of the Discworld multiverse, in which gods fight to maintain their place in people's consciousness, as they otherwise are diminished in power and may ultimately disappear.
I hear that tortoises make for good eating.
| 778 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:43:41pm |
| 779 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:43:44pm |
re: #571 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well worth watching the series I say. First 4 were great.
| 780 |
SteelGHAZI Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:45:04pm |
re: #778 Slumbering Behemoth
Upding. Love Evil Dead.
| 781 |
boxhead Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:46:23pm |
re: #776 Cannadian Club Akbar
All righty you commie, pinko, weirdo's, I'm out for the night. See ya'll in the morning. :) HAR!!
night
| 782 |
Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:46:24pm |
These people are very odd.
Iran’s Leader Cements Ties on State Visit to Lebanon
It is the Iranian president’s first state visit here since he was first elected in 2005, and it comes at a time of rising tension between Hezbollah and its political rivals. The Shiite group has been waging a campaign against the international tribunal investigating the 2005 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri, which is expected to indict several of the Shiite group’s members.
Hezbollah’s leaders have warned of disastrous consequences if that happens. They see the tribunal as an Israeli plot aimed at discrediting them and have pressured other factions to publicly disavow it. Even without indictments, some fear the tensions could lead to violence or the collapse of Lebanon’s tenuous unity government, in which Hezbollah and its allies wield veto power.
American officials voiced their disapproval last week of Mr. Ahmadinejad’s visit, which seems timed to embolden Hezbollah and underscore Tehran’s broader influence in Lebanon.
| 783 |
Surabaya Stew Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:47:02pm |
re: #761 Dragon_Lady
Yeah, I haven't been on in a while. I get sucked in and don't get anything done around here so I haven't been logging in. RWC keeps me up to date though. Maybe when I get my i pad I'll be on more often.
Was thinking of getting an iPad for the same reason!
:-)
| 784 |
What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:48:59pm |
re: #771 Gus 802
That's the thing. There will always be a large majority of people on the PA side intent on sabotaging any peace effort. These peace efforts are futile since they don't even want to accept Israel as Jewish state. At the same time they don't even know what they want for themselves. They can't decide whether to be a secular Arab state or an Islamic state. Right now they're kind of mixed. At the same time the Arab League uses them to vent there own hatred against Israel. It also include the Syrian and the Iranians.
Look now at how Lebanon is treating the visit from Ahmadinejad as though they are being treated to a visit from a God. This while most of the civilized world just imposed serious sanctions against Iran his regime.
I think if there were no fighting, no killing, we could call it a peace. Even if negotiating continues to fall short.
Mixed is probably a good thing. They see how the Israelis live and have to know that this could be them if they had a free society. I sometimes think it will just take more time, but then as you say, there's Lebanon, Syria and Iran looming. One day at a time I guess, as the drunks say heh
| 785 |
palomino Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:49:52pm |
re: #760 marjoriemoon
What would the world do without Snopes!
I still like and trust Snopes. I know a few old tea partiers in TX who used to trust Snopes in matters of verification. But back in 2007, when it started debunking the myths about Obama (birth certificate, pledge of allegiance, hater of all white people, etc) these folks decided that Snopes was biased and untrustworthy just like the rest of the liberal media. What a joke.
| 786 |
What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:51:14pm |
re: #785 palomino
I still like and trust Snopes. I know a few old tea partiers in TX who used to trust Snopes in matters of verification. But back in 2007, when it started debunking the myths about Obama (birth certificate, pledge of allegiance, hater of all white people, etc) these folks decided that Snopes was biased and untrustworthy just like the rest of the liberal media. What a joke.
The truth hurts. And here I thought it was just love.
| 787 |
Eclectic Infidel Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:51:46pm |
can't watch the video - highlights, anyone?
| 788 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:52:05pm |
re: #782 Gus 802
These people are very odd.
Sadly, Hezbollah has largely overturned the Ceder Revolution. No one dares say "Boo!" to them now, since they blow up anyone who does.
| 789 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:53:44pm |
re: #788 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, Hezbollah has largely overturned the Ceder Revolution. No one dares say "Boo!" to them now, since they blow up anyone who does.
A nice tolerant bunch, aren't they?
| 790 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:54:39pm |
re: #788 Dark_Falcon
The next missile war is really going to be awful. As in worst ever. The reported stockpile, right under the nose of the world...
| 791 |
What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:55:31pm |
re: #782 Gus 802
These people are very odd.
They [Hezbollah] see the tribunal as an Israeli plot aimed at discrediting them and have pressured other factions to publicly disavow it.
What's so bizarre about this statement is that the Hez does a fine job on its own of "discrediting" itself.
Lebanon seems to be hanging by a thread for years now. Pretty scary.
| 792 |
Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:55:43pm |
re: #784 marjoriemoon
I think if there were no fighting, no killing, we could call it a peace. Even if negotiating continues to fall short.
Mixed is probably a good thing. They see how the Israelis live and have to know that this could be them if they had a free society. I sometimes think it will just take more time, but then as you say, there's Lebanon, Syria and Iran looming. One day at a time I guess, as the drunks say heh
At this point I would say there is not use in trying to negotiate anything with the PA. Israel should hold the line and inform the PA that what they have is theirs. Any attack upon Israel will responded with in force much like they're doing already.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:58:53pm |
re: #791 marjoriemoon
What's so bizarre about this statement is that the Hez does a fine job on its own of "discrediting" itself.
Lebanon seems to be hanging by a thread for years now. Pretty scary.
Wouldn't it be a shame if Hezbollah had a work accident while giving Dinnerjacket a tour of the Israel border?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:59:30pm |
re: #790 Rightwingconspirator
The next missile war is really going to be awful. As in worst ever. The reported stockpile, right under the nose of the world...
Yeah, but again what would blowing the whistle do? In Europe, it would be interpreted as favoring Israel. And the peacekeepers who tried to do something would be under constant attack. Given some of the mob attacks by civilians Hezbollah has been able to mount, such a force would find itself in a place where they'd have to either surrender or shoot their way out. And if they did the latter, the Western press would report it as a "massacre" and a "war crime", and the unit's officers would find themselves up on charges.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:03:32pm |
re: #794 Dark_Falcon
Unfortunately so. That is exactly the paradigm that must be broken.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:05:08pm |
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:05:29pm |
re: #730 LudwigVanQuixote
Anyone up to talk sword pr0n?
For today's installment:
I give you reconstructed German longsword techniques of the 15th and 16th century.
There are many who have a notion, due mostly to Hollywood, that only the Asians developed a high degree of martial arts. The reality is that of course there were great Western masters of Fence and they left many books on how to go about it.
[Video]Those who practice things like Kendo and Jujitsu will at once notice a certain familiarity of the moves and of course, major differences in philosophy and the physics required by the type of blades used.
The Romans were brought up short by the Scots use of the Claymore.
Some Roman general wrote that they were convinced that the Highlanders couldn't possibly use those huge and unwieldy blades to any advantage, but that they had been completely wrong and sorely defeated.
Reported in Gibbon, Decline and Fall, I think.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:05:53pm |
re: #790 Rightwingconspirator
The next missile war is really going to be awful. As in worst ever. The reported stockpile, right under the nose of the world...
OK Now. This probably won't come out as being shall we say, sensitive. But they might be able to lob off a few missiles at the most. It wouldn't take much effort to squash Iran like a bug in less than 2 hours.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:08:16pm |
Would have to broadcast this to the Iranian regime first before responding.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:08:19pm |
re: #798 Gus 802
I'm not so sure they are that bad off. I just hope we never find out.
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What, me worry? Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:09:02pm |
re: #792 Gus 802
At this point I would say there is not use in trying to negotiate anything with the PA. Israel should hold the line and inform the PA that what they have is theirs. Any attack upon Israel will responded with in force much like they're doing already.
We have to talk about this another time when I'm not so tired and I have to be trotting off to bed in a bit.
I think what Bibi did, tho, was to hold the line. He gave them an offer he had to know they wouldn't accept.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:13:29pm |
re: #775 LudwigVanQuixote
If you ignore the wire work, this is incredibly technical and good.
Are you kidding? I am a huge fan of "over the top" action/fighting scenes like that. Can't believe I've never actually seen that film.
makes a note
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:14:52pm |
re: #802 marjoriemoon
We have to talk about this another time when I'm not so tired and I have to be trotting off to bed in a bit.
I think what Bibi did, tho, was to hold the line. He gave them an offer he had to know they wouldn't accept.
Only thing to do. There's no point in doing anything but talking unless they are willing to give something. At present, Abbas is neither willing nor able to do so.
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Gus Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:19:12pm |
re: #806 Dark_Falcon
Only thing to do. There's no point in doing anything but talking unless they are willing to give something. At present, Abbas is neither willing nor able to do so.
Abbas doesn't care. He's a tool. The PA is a tool for the Arab states to use to continue their proxy war against Israel. The Arab states don't even care about the PA. They don't even accept Palestinians as refugees into their own countries.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 13, 2010 10:24:26pm |
re: #807 Gus 802
Abbas doesn't care. He's a tool. The PA is a tool for the Arab states to use to continue their proxy war against Israel. The Arab states don't even care about the PA. They don't even accept Palestinians as refugees into their own countries.
I know. It just plain sucks.
Goodnight, all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 11:49:49pm |
re: #743 darthstar
I've seen Charlie Daniels live...with Bocephus (that's Hank Williams Jr. for you cityfolk)...
I grew up a redneck, but I'm probably the most cosmopolitan redneck you'll ever meet...and I'm about three light-years to the left of Dennis Kucinich politically. I love being a paradox.
I saw Charlie Daniels live and I'm a nerdy suburbanite!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 13, 2010 11:50:10pm |
re: #809 WindUpBird
also, there's an awesome ohGr song for the kids at home
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Oct 14, 2010 2:49:44am |
re: #722 Cannadian Club Akbar
I never said the President was stoopid. But he is no Condi. Sorry. Graduate from college when still a teen, then we can talk.
dude, I could have graduated from college as a teenager, the difference is I actually didn't want to and my parents supported my decision, I actually like not racing through my life as if it were just checkboxes to tick off
college graduation doesn't magically legitimize intelligence (see: bill gates) and I don't think Condi is any smarter than Obama
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funky chicken Thu, Oct 14, 2010 8:16:21am |
re: #59 pharmmajor
Much of the denial comes from a skeptical analysis of many of the proposed policies to combat climate change. Consider what environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg said:
What is your position on global warming?
Global warming is real - it is man-made and it is an important problem. But it is not the end of the world.You have been branded a climate-change denier. Have you changed your mind?
No, I haven't changed my mind, but the global warming debate is so polarised that there is space for only two possible viewpoints: either it's the end of the world, or you think it is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated. Because I dared to be sceptical, a lot of people pushed me into the deniers' camp.Are you still sceptical?
I have been sceptical all along, but about the solution. Our current solution - the Kyoto approach - doesn't work.What's not working?
The UN summits are PR vehicles for politicians so they can all get together and look like they're doing something.What's your view of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change?
I would say 90 per cent of what the panel tells us is right, which is pretty good for a very complex subject. But the UN-led policy solutions are incredibly poor.So what's your solution?
We need to invest dramatically in green energy, making solar panels so cheap that everybody wants them. Nobody wanted to buy a computer in 1950, but once they got cheap, everyone bought them.
Why are so many people downdinging this post?
I'd do a total solar system for my house, but it would cost 50 grand. If I could do it for 5 or 10 grand, we'd go ahead.
If I could buy a vehicle that could run on natural gas, I'd get one. Only Honda makes a CNG car. I currently live in OK, right in the middle of the natural gas belt. Just think how much more efficient it would be to have people driving vehicles powered by local resources than by oil that's brought over by supertanker, refined in LA, south TX, or CA, and then trucked in.
Lomborg's pretty much on point here, IMHO.
I'd also support a cap on the amount of energy allowed to single family residences, and the same cap should apply to every residence--little house in the barrio gets the same amount of maximum energy as Leo DiCaprio's 25,000 square foot mansion. It would certainly incentivize wealthy entertainment folks to buy green technology. The more they bought, the more money would be available to bring down costs through R & D, so the stuff would become more affordable.
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lostlakehiker Thu, Oct 14, 2010 8:21:08am |
re: #797 Capitalist Tool
The Romans were brought up short by the Scots use of the Claymore.
Some Roman general wrote that they were convinced that the Highlanders couldn't possibly use those huge and unwieldy blades to any advantage, but that they had been completely wrong and sorely defeated.Reported in Gibbon, Decline and Fall, I think.
The Scots actually won a battle in 1746, against the British, in which those things played a part. Falkirk
Not that it did them any good. England had far deeper pockets, both in money and in men, and at Culloden, the matter was settled in England's favor.
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