Election 2010, Thread One

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Here’s our first thread for live election updates as early results begin to filter in. The chattering classes are chattering away on all the cable news channels, and here’s your chance to put in your $0.02 at LGF.

Registration is open, by the way, so feel free to join up and join in. (But like the sign says, “Trolls Not Welcome Here.”)

No matter what happens, this will go down as the Election of the Disappearing GOP Candidates. Fear of confrontation with the press was a major theme of GOP campaigns across the country.

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575 comments
1 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:40:23pm

May sanity prevail.

Remember, keep it clean.

2 Soap_Man  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:40:33pm

And here we go...

Youtube Video
3 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:41:22pm

Well here we go...

My (obviously partisan) prediction is that unless the GOP gets it head on straight any wins today are probably only to set them up for a greater fall come 2012...

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:42:48pm

Sure enough, someone immediately tried to register three sock puppet accounts. Someone in, uh, Florida. Hmm.

5 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:43:02pm

re: #4 Charles

Sure enough, someone immediately tried to register three sock puppet accounts. Someone in, uh, Florida. Hmm.

Lol.

6 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:43:57pm

From Combat to Capitol Hill: 27 Vets Running for Office

Today, 27 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan will seek national office. This is nearly four times the number of veterans of those wars currently serving in Congress. Twenty-five are campaigning for House seats and two are running for the Senate. Eighteen are running as Republicans, nine as Democrats. They are as ideologically diverse as the electorate they hope to represent and share only one agenda item: their desire to continue their service.

[Link: humanrights.change.org...]

7 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:44:07pm

A 50-50 tie in the Senate would make me so happy.

8 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:44:53pm

re: #7 RogueOne

A 50-50 tie in the Senate would make me so happy.

Yeah except that remember a 50-50 ties goes to the Democrats because they have a vice president.

Oh wait, I'm sorry the filibuster just called, a 50 50 tie goes to whichever side wants to get nothing done...

9 dragonfire1981  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:45:53pm

Someone asked me the other day "who is the leader of the GOP?" I couldn't really come up with an answer. Sure there are House and Senate leaders, but I can't think of one person who is the public face of the Republican Party. Sarah Palin possibly, but she's more of a divisive figure than a uniting one.

What the GOP needs most right is unity and an integrated approach. I don't think that will happen anytime soon because of several forces affecting the GOP. The Tea Party, Newt Gingrich, Glenn Beck, Andrew Breitbart and Pamela Geller all wield considerable influence in American right wing politics. At the same time thought they've also alienated a good many people who formerly considered themselves conservative.

I think the GOP best realize if they don't get their act together following tonight, the electorate WILL make them pay come 2012. Don't kid yourselves folks, a GOP win tonight doesn't mean every thing will be rosy tomorrow and there will suddenly be an avalanche of jobs.

10 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:45:59pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

Yeah except that remember a 50-50 ties goes to the Democrats because they have a vice president.

Oh wait, I'm sorry the filibuster just called, a 50 50 tie goes to whichever side wants to get nothing done...

Rogue thinks gridlock is best for the country.
I disagree.

11 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:46:26pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

Yeah except that remember a 50-50 ties goes to the Democrats because they have a vice president.

Oh wait, I'm sorry the filibuster just called, a 50 50 tie goes to whichever side wants to get nothing done...

If there was a 50-50 split... I don't really think the Democrats would use the filibuster... wait... I'm sorry... I was being sarcastic.

12 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:46:33pm

re: #9 dragonfire1981

Someone asked me the other day "who is the leader of the GOP?" I couldn't really come up with an answer. Sure there are House and Senate leaders, but I can't think of one person who is the public face of the Republican Party. Sarah Palin possibly, but she's more of a divisive figure than a uniting one.

What the GOP needs most right is unity and an integrated approach. I don't think that will happen anytime soon because of several forces affecting the GOP. The Tea Party, Newt Gingrich, Glenn Beck, Andrew Breitbart and Pamela Geller all wield considerable influence in American right wing politics. At the same time thought they've also alienated a good many people who formerly considered themselves conservative.

I think the GOP best realize if they don't get their act together following tonight, the electorate WILL make them pay come 2012. Don't kid yourselves folks, a GOP win tonight doesn't mean every thing will be rosy tomorrow and there will suddenly be an avalanche of jobs.

The GOP has a leader, his name is Rush Limbaugh.

Next question?

13 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:46:39pm

Is charles gonna be deputizing anybody tonight for troll wackin

14 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:46:50pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

That's why I'm rooting for a tie. Having Biden on tv more often would make me happy.

15 Kragar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:47:32pm

Well, just voted. Had my handy Tea Party Voting guide so I knew who not to vote for.

And now for the real exciting news;

TOWERS OF MIDNIGHT IS HERE!

16 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:47:40pm

re: #14 RogueOne

That's why I'm rooting for a tie. Having Biden on tv more often would make me happy.

You can get the same effect watching Stewart on Comedy Central.

17 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:47:48pm

re: #13 SpaceJesus

Is charles gonna be deputizing anybody tonight for troll wackin

I was thinking of giving the monitors the power to block accounts, actually.

18 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:48:01pm

re: #14 RogueOne

That's why I'm rooting for a tie. Having Biden on tv more often would make me happy.

///Yes because I'm sure Republicans will let Democrats get up or down votes that the vice president can break in the D's favor now!

19 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:48:08pm

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

20 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:48:29pm

re: #17 Charles

probably not a bad idea

21 dragonfire1981  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:48:38pm

I am also curious to see how much of the "Republican support" in this election is actually "Democratic hatred". That is to say, how many people are voting R simply because they don't want to vote D? That happens in a lot of elections. It's not about voting someone IN based on their platform, it's about kicking someone to the curb for a perceived failure.

And personally I think it's one of the most unfortunately common things in elections these days. It's a knee jerk reaction that accomplishes nothing.

Mid-term elections are fascinating to me. I am from Canada where we don't have mid-terms, just one vote every four years. Some might think this system restrictive, but at least it gives the ruling party more than two years to make a case for re-election.

22 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:48:47pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

If you expect the worst, there are no unplesant surprises in life....

23 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:49:06pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

My philosophy.
Expect the very worse. That way, when it doesn't happen, you are pleasantly surprised.
:)

24 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:49:38pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

re: #23 Varek Raith

Now I'm scared :p

25 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:49:47pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

If you expect the worst, there are no unplesant surprises in life...

What are you, my clone?!?

26 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:50:09pm

if anyone gets too mad tonight, i have the cure right here fyi

Youtube Video
27 Kragar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:50:49pm

re: #25 Varek Raith

What are you, my clone?!?

Bloody Sith.

28 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:50:57pm

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

You can get the same effect watching Stewart on Comedy Central.

Seriously, Can't you imagine the fun? It's like an SNL skit in the making. With people like Biden, O'Donnell, Angle, and Kerry? good times.

29 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:50:58pm

re: #24 marjoriemoon

re: #23 Varek Raith

Now I'm scared :p

Don't be scared... the conservatives will be coming for the atheists first... unless you are an atheist... you may still have time to make plans and get away.

30 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:51:40pm

re: #28 RogueOne

Seriously, Can't you imagine the fun? It's like an SNL skit in the making. With people like Biden, O'Donnell, Angle, and Kerry? good times.

Except that it doesn't work that way as I recall.

Senate gets deadlocked 50/50 Biden walks in. Biden votes.

One side wins on that issue. One side loses.

The end....

Am I wrong?

31 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:51:56pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

Image: 604nile.jpg

32 Kragar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:51:57pm

Hehehe, I've successfully filched all the Smarties from my kids' Halloween haul. I'm ready for tonight.

33 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:52:23pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

Except that it doesn't work that way as I recall.

Senate gets deadlocked 50/50 Biden walks in. Biden votes.

One side wins on that issue. One side loses.

The end...

Am I wrong?

Any time Biden is on camera there's a chance he's going to say something fun.

34 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:52:27pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hehehe, I've successfully filched all the Smarties from my kids' Halloween haul. I'm ready for tonight.

liberal elitist candy!!!11!!!!!

35 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:52:37pm

06:51 PM LUNTZ CALLS IT FOR REID: GOP polling guru Frank Luntz is predicting Republicans will win seven Senate seats and 50 House spots, based on exit polls he had seen. On a conference call with associates from K Street, Luntz also said he thinks Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will win reelection.

Politico.com

36 Kragar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:52:50pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

Except that it doesn't work that way as I recall.

Senate gets deadlocked 50/50 Biden walks in. Biden votes.

One side wins on that issue. One side loses.

The end...

Am I wrong?

2 weeks solid coverage on Fox about the VPs latent facism and refusal to compromise.

37 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:52:51pm

re: #31 RogueOne

Image: 604nile.jpg

Let them win the house.

They can take a turn getting blamed for Gridlock in the Senate and America's growing political inertia....

38 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:53:54pm

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Don't be scared... the conservatives will be coming for the atheists first... unless you are an atheist... you may still have time to make plans and get away.

Bring it on!
I got droidekas.
:)

39 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:54:03pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

Pretty much.

But we still think the world of you.

40 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:54:16pm

re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

06:51 PM LUNTZ CALLS IT FOR REID: GOP polling guru Frank Luntz is predicting Republicans will win seven Senate seats and 50 House spots, based on exit polls he had seen. On a conference call with associates from K Street, Luntz also said he thinks Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will win reelection.

Politico.com

Haven't we learned yet that exit polls might not be all that accurate?

41 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:54:52pm

I don't know much about the American electorate, however I get the impression that the votes are not against democratic policy or Obama, as I don't believe many people could tell you what they.he has achieved, or what their specific grievance is.

I think the issue for people is that the economy has not been fixed in two years, and they feel that pain.

I feel sorry for Obama actually, I believe he has achieved a lot despite his parties lack of being unified.

42 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:55:05pm

re: #40 RogueOne

Haven't we learned yet that exit polls might not be all that accurate?

I tell them lies.
I don't like pollsters.
:P

43 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:55:15pm

re: #38 Varek Raith

Bring it on!
I got droidekas.
:)

Have you seen a doc about that... or try some Calamine lotion... and stop scaring the children... stay indoors until it clears up.

44 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:55:16pm

re: #40 RogueOne

Considering who that is it's interesting. Yup, its early...

45 Kragar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:55:19pm

Good Lord, Towers of Midnight is almost 3 inches thick. Now thats a book.

46 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:55:36pm

re: #42 Varek Raith

I tell them lies.
I don't like pollsters.
:P

And Jedi exit pollsters most of all?

47 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:55:40pm

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

Have you seen a doc about that... or try some Calamine lotion... and stop scaring the children... stay indoors until it clears up.

Lol.

48 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:56:04pm

re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

06:51 PM LUNTZ CALLS IT FOR REID: GOP polling guru Frank Luntz is predicting Republicans will win seven Senate seats and 50 House spots, based on exit polls he had seen. On a conference call with associates from K Street, Luntz also said he thinks Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will win reelection.

Politico.com

If that's true, that will go down as the biggest Tea Party fail possible. Yeah, Christine O'Donnell is likely to get crushed, but this is Harry Frickin Reid we're talking about. Even a healthy percentage of Dems dislike the guy. And they blow it by running Crazy McLoonypants against him

49 Kragar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:56:07pm

re: #38 Varek Raith

Bring it on!
I got droidekas.
:)

Yes, but have you properly appeased the Machine Spirit?

50 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:56:21pm

re: #40 RogueOne

Haven't we learned yet that exit polls might not be all that accurate?

And the NV lawyers haven't yet had their say.

51 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 3:59:39pm

BBL.
Food time!

52 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:00:24pm

re: #48 JamesWI

If that's true, that will go down as the biggest Tea Party fail possible. Yeah, Christine O'Donnell is likely to get crushed, but this is Harry Frickin Reid we're talking about. Even a healthy percentage of Dems dislike the guy. And they blow it by running Crazy McLoonypants against him

Actually, strike that. Tea Party reaction will be "Oh my god, the Harry Reid Democrat machine stole the election from us! Revolution! Well, what I mean by revolution is that I'm going to type some more angry, insane comments on websites, but you get the point."

53 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:00:45pm

re: #39 researchok

Pretty much.

But we still think the world of you.

LOL aw thanks.

I also think it should be illegal to present polling data prior to an election. It influences people. Perfect example is the FL senate race.

*World According to Marj*

54 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:02:36pm

MSNBC is already projecting Rand Paul to win in Kentucky.

55 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:02:42pm

re: #48 JamesWI

Given a few big losses tonight I'll start calling it the Weak Tea Party.

56 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:02:43pm

I agree with that.

Polling data contributes to dumbing down the process-as in they drive political ads.

57 Winny Spencer  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:02:46pm

Fox has already called it for Rand Paul and Dan Coats in Indiana (Evan Bayh's seat).

58 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:03:33pm

re: #53 marjoriemoon

my 56 is in response to you

59 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:03:52pm

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

Given a few big losses tonight I'll start calling it the Weak Tea Party.

Milquetoast with their scones and tea?

60 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:04:00pm

Is Dan Quayle's son running for something or was that some kind of joke

61 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:04:33pm

re: #60 SpaceJesus

Is Dan Quayle's son running for something or was that some kind of joke

Top
job at the Potatoe Board

62 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:04:57pm

re: #21 dragonfire1981

I am also curious to see how much of the "Republican support" in this election is actually "Democratic hatred". That is to say, how many people are voting R simply because they don't want to vote D? That happens in a lot of elections. It's not about voting someone IN based on their platform, it's about kicking someone to the curb for a perceived failure.

And personally I think it's one of the most unfortunately common things in elections these days. It's a knee jerk reaction that accomplishes nothing.

Mid-term elections are fascinating to me. I am from Canada where we don't have mid-terms, just one vote every four years. Some might think this system restrictive, but at least it gives the ruling party more than two years to make a case for re-election.

Great poll out the other day - showed the Democrats still had higher positives than Republicans.......... and beat the tea party of positives/negatives going away.

63 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:05:08pm

re: #61 researchok


but Ireland already has a president

64 AntonSirius  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:05:09pm

re: #60 SpaceJesus

Is Dan Quayle's son running for something or was that some kind of joke

Both

65 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:05:59pm

Boy, that Paul race was a real nail biter wasn't it?

66 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:06:05pm

re: #63 SpaceJesus

but Ireland already has a president

Sorry- you are right.

Quayle wants to head up the NASA Spudnik program

67 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:06:10pm

Neither member of the New Black Panthers was there. What a relief.

My ballot was a total snoozer. No truly stand-out wingnuts, a ton of Republican district judges running unopposed, and surprisingly more Green Party candidates than I had heard of (which is to say, there were more than zero Greens). I didn't even get to vote against any SBOE members, because the one from my district isn't up for re-election yet, and besides, she's one of the less insane members anyway.

However, I did vote against Rick Perry super hard. Fat lot of good that'll do, though. Oh well.

68 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:06:20pm

Ben Quayle: I'm even stupider than my Dad!

69 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:06:54pm

Holy crap, it's a robot.

[Link: pulse.yahoo.com...]

70 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:06:56pm

re: #58 researchok

my 56 is in response to you

I really think it's awful. If it looks like the guy you don't like is winning, then people are more apt not to vote. Especially if it's difficult to get to a polling station.

71 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:06:58pm

re: #65 RogueOne

Boy, that Paul race was a real nail biter wasn't it?

No the real nail biting now begins when we think what it means for the country, and about this country that Rand Paul can win election to a senate seat....

72 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:07:00pm

re: #60 SpaceJesus

Couldyou help us with an exit poll? Just a few people. In near orbit on the ISS

73 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:07:06pm

re: #42 Varek Raith

I tell them lies.
I don't like pollsters.
:P

I've always wanted to be polled so I could be one of those people who answered "don't know" when asked who I voted for.

74 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:07:08pm

re: #66 researchok

Sorry- you are right.

Quayle wants to head up the NASA Spudnik program

I thought he wanted to be dictater

75 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:07:44pm

In First Major Tea Party Victory, ABC News Projects Rand Paul Will Win Ky. Senate Race

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

76 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:07:48pm

re: #71 jamesfirecat

No the real nail biting now begins when we think what it means for the country, and about this country that Rand Paul can win election to a senate seat...

I said 15 pts but he's only up by 14 so there's something you can hang onto.

77 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:07:52pm

re: #72 Rightwingconspirator


they voted (D). they don't let morons be astronauts

78 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:08:15pm

re: #57 Winny Spencer

Fox has already called it for Rand Paul

personally, i like to wait until more than 6% of the results are in for any given race

79 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:08:39pm

re: #74 PT Barnum

I thought he wanted to be dictater

Runs in the family

80 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:08:58pm

re: #71 jamesfirecat

No the real nail biting now begins when we think what it means for the country, and about this country that Rand Paul can win election to a senate seat...

He's senator now?

Well, where the fuck are all the jobs?

81 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:09:07pm

re: #78 engineer dog

personally, i like to wait until more than 6% of the results are in for any given race

what could possibly go wrong when fox starts calling races early?..............

82 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:09:35pm

Nate Silver's 10 reasons you should ignore exit polls

83 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:09:38pm

Baron Hill is losing, Indiana is leading the wave.

84 theheat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:09:43pm

re: #54 Charles

It's a good day to be a backwards bible thumping racist. I think everyone gets a free pony, too.

85 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:10:44pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

He's senator now?

Well, where the fuck are all the jobs?

In his under sea city where the Parasites can't steal them from the working man!

86 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:11:03pm

re: #84 theheat

It's a good day to be a backwards bible thumping racist. I think everyone gets a free pony, too.

It's a unicorn, silly.

87 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:11:08pm

re: #84 theheat

It's a good day to be a backwards bible thumping racist. I think everyone gets a free pony, too.

I sure that every Republican vote that was cast today was from a backwards bible thumping racist...

88 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:11:27pm

re: #10 Varek Raith

Rogue thinks gridlock is best for the country.
I disagree.

If you sincerely believe that doing anything is always better than doing nothing at all, then I won't be supporting your bid for public office.

I voted against a few things today (a clear preference for doing nothing at all) because I believed that the issues were motivated by greed and arrogance.

I am not alone.

89 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:12:05pm

Ok, off to Tuesday pub trivia.

90 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:12:35pm

re: #89 SpaceJesus

Ok, off to Tuesday pub trivia.

a TRIVIAL PURSUIT

91 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:12:35pm

re: #9 dragonfire1981

More like an avalanche of indigestion.

92 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:12:51pm

re: #88 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If you sincerely believe that doing anything is always better than doing nothing at all, then I won't be supporting your bid for public office.

I voted against a few things today (a clear preference for doing nothing at all) because I believed that the issues were motivated by greed and arrogance.

I am not alone.

Fair enough, but if you believe the reverse that government inaction is always preferable to government action you are just as wrong.

Things need to be considered on a case by case basis.

93 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:13:31pm

re: #89 SpaceJesus

Ok, off to Tuesday pub trivia.

Don't be on the street after midnight tonight... the crusade starts... and it's open season on the godless.
/

94 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:13:38pm

re: #68 PT Barnum

Ben Quayle: I'm even stupider than my Dad!

Oh, but he's gonna kick some ass in DC. Just you wait and see.
/

95 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:14:05pm

re: #88 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If you sincerely believe that doing anything is always better than doing nothing at all, then I won't be supporting your bid for public office.

I voted against a few things today (a clear preference for doing nothing at all) because I believed that the issues were motivated by greed and arrogance.

I am not alone.

So, you're not signing up for my newsletter?

96 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:14:07pm

re: #4 Charles

Sure enough, someone immediately tried to register three sock puppet accounts. Someone in, uh, Florida. Hmm.

So we need to look for a three-legged troll.

97 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:14:51pm

Since races are being called so early, I predict that Obama will go back to his native Kenya. Biden will forget that even though he is the VP now, he doesn't get promoted to "P" automatically.

Therefore, it will be Sean Penn versus Glen Beck in a steel cage death match for all the marbles for 2012. The winner will be....

not us.

/

98 theheat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:15:20pm

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

Any vote for Rand Paul was. But thanks for playing, Walter.

99 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:17:15pm

re: #98 theheat

Any vote for Rand Paul was. But thanks for playing, Walter.

(a repost from earlier... just for cuddly little you)...

Wow... you're resident troll just got back from voting... took me two hours... what an adventure... first off... went on over to Jefferson County Elementary School... there were two white New Black Panthers there... outside the polling place entrance... disguised as school crossing guards... brandishing hand held stop signs... I avoided their intimidating shouts ("park on the left... park on the left...")... and went into the polling place.

So... the polling place judges look up my name... AND I'M NOT ON THE VOTER ROLLS... more chicanery... (I've lived in Jefferson Country for 6 years, when I moved from downhill to up here... I forgot to tell the dudes who keep the voters registration that I moved)... so.. they tell me I have to go to Evergreen... to the county annex and get some certified piece of paper and bring it back.

I'm surprised they didn't tell me to drive all the way to Boulder.

So... I drive 14 miles each way to get this piece of paper... when I got to the county annex, there were dozen and dozens of blue uniformed para-military members of the sheriffs department crawling all over the place. And there were signs all over the place... "Park here for the Library... park on the LEFT for polling place" So I wouldn't garner any suspicion, I parked on the left, went inside, got my certificate and quickly got out of Evergreen.

Back at the polling place in Conifer (I had to park on the LEFT again)... I come across the a union thug... working at the polling place as an ELECTION JUDGE. I recognized her... she is a bagger at our local Safeway store. Don't tell me the unions don't have something to do with influencing the vote... I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES.

I finally got to vote... thank goodness... but a word of warning to all of you who haven't voted yet... be careful... if you are looking for outrage... you'll find it.

100 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:17:55pm

Somebody just passed by loudly proclaiming that pot had just been legalized in California. (Where the polls don't close for hours yet...)

101 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:17:59pm

re: #97 brownbagj

Since races are being called so early, I predict that Obama will go back to his native Kenya. Biden will forget that even though he is the VP now, he doesn't get promoted to "P" automatically.

Therefore, it will be Sean Penn versus Glen Beck in a steel cage death match for all the marbles for 2012. The winner will be...

not us.

/

Except Sean Penn's been in Haiti actually doing something for his fellow man. WTF has Beck been doing?

102 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:18:42pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

Except Sean Penn's been in Haiti actually doing something for his fellow man. WTF has Beck been doing?

Crying to Paul Anka's song.

103 zackbagen  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:18:49pm

Good to be a registered lizard once again - daily reader since 2001.

104 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:19:00pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

Except Sean Penn's been in Haiti actually doing something for his fellow man. WTF has Beck been doing?

Usurping the historical legacy of Martin Luther King?

105 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:19:15pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

Entertainment and fear. A truly impressive combination.

106 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:19:15pm

re: #103 zackbagen

Good to be a registered lizard once again - daily reader since 2001.

Again? Care to explain?

Inquiring minds want to know.

107 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:19:39pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

Except Sean Penn's been in Haiti actually doing something for his fellow man. WTF has Beck been doing?

Selling gold and seeds to suckers.

108 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:19:48pm

re: #100 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Somebody just passed by loudly proclaiming that pot had just been legalized in California. (Where the polls don't close for hours yet...)

ahhh, there's always an optimist!
Actually, the time has come for an adult conversation concerning personal usage of Mary Jane.

109 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:20:01pm

re: #100 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Somebody just passed by loudly proclaiming that pot had just been legalized in California. (Where the polls don't close for hours yet...)

Celebrating early! good for them.

110 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:20:01pm

re: #100 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Somebody just passed by loudly proclaiming that pot had just been legalized in California. (Where the polls don't close for hours yet...)

2 hours and change. Pot is definitely less harmful than alcohol when consumed wisely.

111 barflytom  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:20:07pm

I'm looking forward to watching Obama try to talk his way out of this one. Even if the Republicans don't gain as many seats as some were predicting (maybe his ACORN and union buddies have found enough dead people and non-citizens to keep some of the marginal contests in the 'D' column !), it's still a huge rejection of his loony-left, big government agenda. I won't be surprised if he loses his cool someday and has a fairly spectacular public meltdown.

Meanwhile, he's apparently prepared for the occasion by reading "India on 200 Million a Day"....
[Link: www.ndtv.com...]

112 Kragar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:20:38pm

re: #106 EmmmieG

Again? Care to explain?

Inquiring minds want to know.

BUILD A BRIDGE OUT OF HIM!

113 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:21:00pm

re: #112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BUILD A BRIDGE OUT OFOVER HIM!

FTFY.

114 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:21:12pm

Dinner time!

115 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:21:22pm

re: #109 RogueOne

Celebrating early! good for them.

It's 4:20 somewhere...

116 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:21:23pm

Can anyone recommend a live feed to any site that has counts happening?
Being in Australia, we are not getting much coverage.

117 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:21:46pm

re: #115 jamesfirecat

In Cali.

118 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:21:50pm

Whewwwww!
Glad that didn't take long for our first contestant!

119 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:22:07pm

re: #111 barflytom

I'm looking forward to watching Obama try to talk his way out of this one. Even if the Republicans don't gain as many seats as some were predicting (maybe his ACORN and union buddies have found enough dead people and non-citizens to keep some of the marginal contests in the 'D' column !), it's still a huge rejection of his loony-left, big government agenda. I won't be surprised if he loses his cool someday and has a fairly spectacular public meltdown.

Meanwhile, he's apparently prepared for the occasion by reading "India on 200 Million a Day"...
[Link: www.ndtv.com...]

Wow it's like playing Talking Poitn bingo!

120 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:22:13pm

re: #116 ozbloke

Can anyone recommend a live feed to any site that has counts happening?
Being in Australia, we are not getting much coverage.

I'm never a fan of CNN but might want to check there first.

121 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:22:40pm

re: #116 ozbloke

Can anyone recommend a live feed to any site that has counts happening?
Being in Australia, we are not getting much coverage.

Fox News.

122 Intenzity  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:22:56pm

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

The Iced Tea Party.
Iced out of elections.

123 theheat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:22:58pm

re: #119 jamesfirecat

Freepers now get day passes to ride buses and stuff. Helps them get out more.

124 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:23:09pm

Holy crap, it's a robot.

[Link: pulse.yahoo.com...]

125 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:23:11pm

re: #116 ozbloke

www.comedycentral.com will be doing live coverage starting in a few hours, will probably be your best bet.

I am in Europe and just getting to bed as the first polls close, will have to wait until Morning in Europe to see what Morning in America 2010 will look like...

126 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:23:19pm

re: #116 ozbloke

Can anyone recommend a live feed to any site that has counts happening?
Being in Australia, we are not getting much coverage.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]
[Link: www.politico.com...]

127 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:23:23pm

re: #110 eclectic infidel

2 hours and change. Pot is definitely less harmful than alcohol when consumed wisely.

I know someone quite well who has severe short term memory loss from chronic heavy marijuana use. You are barking up the wrong tree, because this person is functionally disabled. From smoking pot.

Full legalization is probably about as intelligent as full legalization of nicotine products and those containing ethanol. But since we live in a drugged up society, where a majority of adults are using more than one prescription drug (on top of whatever non-prescription ones), I don't hold out much hope.

128 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:24:03pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

The GOP has a leader, his name is Rush Limbaugh.

Next question?

Wrong answer. There is no leader. There is no plan. There is only exasperation with what has happened these past two years, and a determination to somehow slow the pace of more of the same. Or roll it back.

The Republicans, as I have opined before, will be taken aback at how little authority they'll have in the wake of this day. They'll be able to stop any more legislation along the lines of Obamacare. But that's about it. They won't be able to write tax law, or rescind Obamacare, or set budget priorities, or hold their breath until the Democrats give them their way.

Both sides will have to compromise, for the good of the nation. Tomorrow it will be time for some grownups on both sides of the aisle to say so, and get to work.

129 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:24:14pm

re: #127 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I know someone quite well who has severe short term memory loss from chronic heavy marijuana use. You are barking up the wrong tree, because this person is functionally disabled. From smoking pot.

Full legalization is probably about as intelligent as full legalization of nicotine products and those containing ethanol. But since we live in a drugged up society, where a majority of adults are using more than one prescription drug (on top of whatever non-prescription ones), I don't hold out much hope.


Know anybody who got cancer from eating pot brownies?

130 AntonSirius  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:24:15pm

re: #111 barflytom

O HAI! BIG HUGZ!!!!!

131 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:24:21pm

re: #127 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Did you miss the "consumed wisely" part?

I heavy chronic smoker is not consuming wisely.

132 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:24:51pm

re: #127 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I know someone quite well who has severe short term memory loss from chronic heavy marijuana use. You are barking up the wrong tree, because this person is functionally disabled. From smoking pot.

Full legalization is probably about as intelligent as full legalization of nicotine products and those containing ethanol. But since we live in a drugged up society, where a majority of adults are using more than one prescription drug (on top of whatever non-prescription ones), I don't hold out much hope.



You know for a fact that's where his problem comes from?

133 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:24:57pm

re: #128 lostlakehiker

Wrong answer. There is no leader. There is no plan. There is only exasperation with what has happened these past two years, and a determination to somehow slow the pace of more of the same. Or roll it back.

The Republicans, as I have opined before, will be taken aback at how little authority they'll have in the wake of this day. They'll be able to stop any more legislation along the lines of Obamacare. But that's about it. They won't be able to write tax law, or rescind Obamacare, or set budget priorities, or hold their breath until the Democrats give them their way.

Both sides will have to compromise, for the good of the nation. Tomorrow it will be time for some grownups on both sides of the aisle to say so, and get to work.

I liked your first part.

Who do you consider to be the grown ups on the Republican side?

Who are they on the Democrat side?

134 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:25:13pm

Obama: Agenda 'all at risk' in any Republican romp

"Even though we had 30,000 people come to the rally, there are a lot of folks out there who still haven't gotten the message that this is a really important election," he said.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Oh... I think a hell of a lot of people got the message... see the papers in the morning.

135 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:25:34pm

re: #131 brownbagj

Did you miss the "consumed wisely" part?

I heavy chronic smoker is not consuming wisely.

Then we agree that the usage of marijuana should be controlled, or do you simply think that drugs should be openly available to any adult?

136 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:26:02pm

re: #135 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Then we agree that the usage of marijuana should be controlled, or do you simply think that drugs should be openly available to any adult?

Alcohol is.

Don't try to tell me that can't leave you functionally disabled as well....

137 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:26:14pm

re: #135 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Then we agree that the usage of marijuana should be controlled, or do you simply think that drugs should be openly available to any adult?

Do you think alcohol should be available to any adult?

138 AntonSirius  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:26:17pm

re: #128 lostlakehiker

Both sides will have to compromise, for the good of the nation. Tomorrow it will be time for some grownups on both sides of the aisle to say so, and get to work.

I gotta know... how did you manage to type that with a straight face?

139 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:26:19pm

re: #128 lostlakehiker

Both sides will have to compromise, for the good of the nation. Tomorrow it will be time for some grownups on both sides of the aisle to say so, and get to work.

Unfortunately, for Republicans, this election was all about electing people who will refuse to even talk to people on the other side of the aisle.

140 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:26:37pm

re: #111 barflytom

it's still a huge rejection of his loony-left, big government agenda. I won't be surprised if he loses his cool

i look forward to the GOP talking their way out of their loss of control over all branches of government in 2006 and 2008, and the huge rejection of their looney right, full goverment surveillance and ship our jobs overseas and hand the government over to the corporations agenda

i wouldn't be surprised if they loose their cool and start a grassroots movement that exposes how poorly informed and gullible their base is

141 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:26:44pm

re: #135 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I think people should be free to live their own lives. Should we ration food because some eat themselves to death?

142 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:27:07pm

re: #128 lostlakehiker

Wrong answer. There is no leader. There is no plan. There is only exasperation with what has happened these past two years, and a determination to somehow slow the pace of more of the same. Or roll it back.

The Republicans, as I have opined before, will be taken aback at how little authority they'll have in the wake of this day. They'll be able to stop any more legislation along the lines of Obamacare. But that's about it. They won't be able to write tax law, or rescind Obamacare, or set budget priorities, or hold their breath until the Democrats give them their way.

Both sides will have to compromise, for the good of the nation. Tomorrow it will be time for some grownups on both sides of the aisle to say so, and get to work.

Where to start?. Great sentiments - however - the Democrats were not lacking a willingness to accept GOP amendments to the Health Bill, or any other bill they have put up.
Democrats have offered to accept - on slate - rafts of GOP amendments to Bills only for the Republicans to take them out, fillibuster or generally gum up the works of THEIR OWN amendments.

143 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:27:13pm

re: #138 AntonSirius

He didn't. He used his fingers.

/

144 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:27:30pm

BREAKING: Live Roundtable with Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, and John Boehner

Oh, wait...they're still wearing their cloaks of invisibility.

145 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:27:42pm

re: #139 JamesWI

Unfortunately, for Republicans, this election was all about electing people who will refuse to even talk to people on the other side of the aisle.

YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!

146 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:27:44pm

re: #135 really grumpy big dog Johnson

This is America in the 21st century. We don't do nuance, we do nothing but full-on gung-ho one way or the other. Zero tolerance prohibition or stonermania bong-hits-for-breakfast.

That is what dialogue, personal, or political is all about. Especially on a blogsite.

147 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:28:02pm

re: #144 darthstar

BREAKING: Live Roundtable with Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, and John Boehner

Oh, wait...they're still wearing their cloaks of invisibility.

zing.............

148 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:28:07pm

re: #144 darthstar

What's weird is I've gotten used to typing Sharon with two rs.

149 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:28:11pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

If they don't, a few Intrade bettors will be very happy.

150 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:28:22pm

re: #144 darthstar

BREAKING: Live Roundtable with Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, and John Boehner

Oh, wait...they're still wearing their cloaks of invisibility.

OMG even Monte Python counldn't parody that!!!

151 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:28:57pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

{marjorie} Yes.

152 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:29:22pm

re: #146 ralphieboy

This is America in the 21st century. We don't do nuance, we do nothing but full-on gung-ho one way or the other. Zero tolerance prohibition or stonermania bong-hits-for-breakfast.

That is what dialogue, personal, or political is all about. Especially on a blogsite.

///Wait, I thought politics on a blogsite was all about shouting down those you disagree with you...

/// You idiot....

153 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:29:28pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

I'm with you, marj...I'm hoping the pundits were about as right as the sports commentators were about Texas dominating San Francisco in the World Series.

154 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:29:35pm

re: #111 barflytom

I'm looking forward to watching Obama try to talk his way out of this one. Even if the Republicans don't gain as many seats as some were predicting (maybe his ACORN and union buddies have found enough dead people and non-citizens to keep some of the marginal contests in the 'D' column !), it's still a huge rejection of his loony-left, big government agenda. I won't be surprised if he loses his cool someday and has a fairly spectacular public meltdown.

Meanwhile, he's apparently prepared for the occasion by reading "India on 200 Million a Day"...
[Link: www.ndtv.com...]

Why would you expect that? It would be entirely out of character. This somewhat off key partying on the public dime, in the face of real problems and a drubbing for his party, is that meltdown, such as it is. It's a retreat, temporary and limited, from a painful reality.

The pomp and ceremony of the visit will ease the pain of the electoral returns, and he'll sort out his thoughts and feelings and chart a new course. The man is neither a fool nor a coward. He knows what he wants and he'll try to bring off as much of it as he can given the new circumstances.

155 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:14pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

The only thing left to do is find Obamas blue dress..

156 barflytom  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:28pm

re: #119 jamesfirecat

Wow it's like playing Talking Poitn bingo!

Nah, it's not that I'm repeating talking points. As Obama says, unlike lefties, us conservatives just can't think for ourselves, can we ?

We can add up though, and a government that borrows close to half its annual budget every year isn't going to work for very long.

157 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:29pm

re: #153 darthstar

I'm with you, marj...I'm hoping the pundits were about as right as the sports commentators were about Texas dominating San Francisco in the World Series.

lol I'm not a sports fan but I'm glad you're with me.

158 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:33pm

BBL. Maybe.

159 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:36pm

re: #125 ralphieboy

www.comedycentral.com will be doing live coverage starting in a few hours, will probably be your best bet.

I am in Europe and just getting to bed as the first polls close, will have to wait until Morning in Europe to see what Morning in America 2010 will look like...

Oh... it going to be marvelous. First thing in the morning, we are going to open the first "Atheist Holiday Camps" and, with cooperation with Club Med, we will be offering an extended stay there for all the godless non-believers.

By noon time... give or take a few minutes... we will be installing confessional kiosks in government building, strip clubs and metro stations. You will have a chance to confess your practice of Liberation Theology. It will pay to confess, as we will go easier on you later on, when the reeducation starts.

And by evening... well, have you ever seen what a crucifix looks like on top of the washington DC capital dome... it will be like heaven on earth.

Don't get Left Behind.

160 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:37pm

re: #152 jamesfirecat

///Wait, I thought politics on a blogsite was all about shouting down those you disagree with you...

/// You idiot...

If you really mean it, USE ALL CAPS!!!

161 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:39pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

The only thing left to do is find Obamas blue dress..

///OBAMA WAS BORN A WOMAN, PASS IT ON!

162 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:40pm

re: #129 jamesfirecat

Know anybody who got cancer from eating pot brownies?

You can get dead from driving potted. It's not as common as good old drunk driving, but still.

163 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:30:44pm

re: #116 ozbloke

Can anyone recommend a live feed to any site that has counts happening?
Being in Australia, we are not getting much coverage.

And Kos has pretty up to the minute analysis.

164 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:31:07pm

Thank you one and all for the links.

165 zackbagen  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:31:12pm

re: #106 EmmmieG

Jobs change. Emails change. Minds get fuzzy. Charles used to be a Nazi about registering. Etc., etc., etc.

166 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:31:13pm

re: #141 brownbagj

I think people should be free to live their own lives. Should we ration food because some eat themselves to death?

I always find impossible dreamers on this forum. To the person who asked above, I can't say 100% that the short-term memory loss was totally caused by pot. I also cannot say with 100% certainty that occupational benzene exposure caused my father his life.

It doesn't mean I'm wrong, either way. And it's a pathetic way to support the use of a product that has the primary effect of getting you stoned and away from the reality of life.

I'm not so pathetically inclined.

167 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:31:25pm

re: #156 barflytom

Nah, it's not that I'm repeating talking points. As Obama says, unlike lefties, us conservatives just can't think for ourselves, can we ?

We can add up though, and a government that borrows close to half its annual budget every year isn't going to work for very long.

Yeah, too bad Bush had a bigger deficit during his last year than Obama did in his first.

Fact's can be irritating things like that...

168 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:31:29pm

re: #158 wozzablog

BBL. Maybe.

that's not a flounce............. much as some people might like it to be.

169 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:31:37pm

re: #156 barflytom

Nah, it's not that I'm repeating talking points. As Obama says, unlike lefties, us conservatives just can't think for ourselves, can we ?

We can add up though, and a government that borrows close to half its annual budget every year isn't going to work for very long.

Maybe that's why he got elected in the first place.

170 bubba zanetti  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:31:41pm

re: #112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BUILD A BRIDGE OUT OF HIM!

BUILD A BRIDGE OUT OF HAM!

it's shovel-ready and delicious.

171 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:32:03pm

re: #162 lostlakehiker

You can get dead from driving potted. It's not as common as good old drunk driving, but still.

Well yeah, but so what?

That's not an argument against legalizing pot, it's an argument for making beer illegal....

172 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:32:10pm

re: #159 Walter L. Newton

That's just darn funny.

173 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:32:53pm

re: #166 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I always find impossible dreamers on this forum. To the person who asked above, I can't say 100% that the short-term memory loss was totally caused by pot. I also cannot say with 100% certainty that occupational benzene exposure caused my father his life.

It doesn't mean I'm wrong, either way. And it's a pathetic way to support the use of a product that has the primary effect of getting you stoned and away from the reality of life.

I'm not so pathetically inclined.

People who abuse drugs to their detriment usually have an underlying factor. Like someone with mental problems might have depression issues and self medicates with pot, etc.

174 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:33:02pm

re: #159 Walter L. Newton


I expect Europe will be overrun by the surviving gays who made it out alive, seeking asylum.

175 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:33:05pm

re: #162 lostlakehiker

You can get dead from driving potted. It's not as common as good old drunk driving, but still.

No one who thinks pot should be legalized, or at least decriminalized advocates for driving impaired under any substance.

176 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:33:13pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

it ain't ovah till it's ovah

177 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:33:32pm

re: #166 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I always find impossible dreamers on this forum. To the person who asked above, I can't say 100% that the short-term memory loss was totally caused by pot. I also cannot say with 100% certainty that occupational benzene exposure caused my father his life.

It doesn't mean I'm wrong, either way. And it's a pathetic way to support the use of a product that has the primary effect of getting you stoned and away from the reality of life.

I'm not so pathetically inclined.

It's not about supporting use of a product it's about supporting access to it.

178 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:33:45pm

re: #111 barflytom

Your talking points are boring.

179 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:34:13pm

re: #176 engineer dog

it ain't ovah till it's ovah

I guess I'm not up on the news. I didn't know that the GOP was going to control the House after this election.

180 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:34:14pm

re: #175 marjoriemoon

No one who thinks pot should be legalized, or at least decriminalized advocates for driving impaired under any substance.


Too nuanced for me - zero tolerance prohibition or built-in dashboard bongs - no inbetween!!!

181 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:34:32pm

re: #174 ralphieboy

I expect Europe will be overrun by the surviving gays who made it out alive, seeking asylum.

Oh... you didn't even give me the chance to tell you about those plans.

182 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:34:37pm

re: #165 zackbagen

Jobs change. Emails change. Minds get fuzzy. Charles used to be a Nazi about registering. Etc., etc., etc.

Ah, lost password. That I can understand.

I would be hesitant to call our host a Nazi, though. I usually reserve that term for people who are actual nazis.

183 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:34:43pm

re: #172 Ericus58

That's just darn funny.

And I'm sober.

184 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:34:45pm

re: #175 marjoriemoon

No one who thinks pot should be legalized, or at least decriminalized advocates for driving impaired under any substance.

Luckily from what I've heard after you do pot you're not really in the mood to drive anywhere....

185 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:35:09pm

Rand Paul wins! All hail Aqua Buddha

Image: BUDDHA-WATER.gif

186 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:35:20pm

re: #180 ralphieboy

Too nuanced for me - zero tolerance prohibition or built-in dashboard bongs - no inbetween!!!

We're at Drug War America, pick a side!

187 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:35:21pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

Luckily from what I've heard after you do pot you're not really in the mood to drive anywhere...

Except the nearest drive-through window...

188 webevintage  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:35:27pm

I know that it is sad to see the Rand Paul and The Aqua Buddha win BUT that is a Republican seat that was held by the crazy Bunning so it is not really a big win for anyone but crazy people.

189 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:35:30pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

I think the Republicans will get the House, but by nowhere near the margins the pundits are talking about. Dems will keep the Senate.

Good to be back here by the way. Haven't had time to comment for a good long while due to losing my job, but the long search for another job is finally over.

190 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:35:50pm

re: #127 really grumpy big dog Johnson

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Obviously pot isn't for everyone, nor is it 100% safe for everyone either.

191 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:35:57pm

re: #187 ralphieboy

Except the nearest drive-through window...

that's how I remember it.

192 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:36:06pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

Luckily from what I've heard after you do pot you're not really in the mood to drive anywhere...

What were we talking about again?

193 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:36:47pm

re: #190 eclectic infidel

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Obviously pot isn't for everyone, nor is it 100% safe for everyone either.


Stop this "agree to disagree" nonsense - pick ideologically atrophied sides and start flinging poo!!!

194 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:36:51pm

re: #192 marjoriemoon

What were we talking about again?

You were going to bring me chocolate and give me your ipod.

Wait, wait, I didn't say to eat the chocolate! Sheesh.

195 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:36:52pm

re: #192 marjoriemoon

What were we talking about again?

Open up, man, it's Dave. I've got the stuff and I think the cops saw me. Now open up!

196 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:37:01pm

re: #156 barflytom

Nah, it's not that I'm repeating talking points. As Obama says, unlike lefties, us conservatives just can't think for ourselves, can we ?

We can add up though, and a government that borrows close to half its annual budget every year isn't going to work for very long.

Bingo!

What do I win?

197 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:37:03pm

re: #162 lostlakehiker

You can get dead from driving potted. It's not as common as good old drunk driving, but still.

Old cop joke:
What's the difference between a drunk and a pothead?

A drunk who comes to a stop sign will run it, a pothead who comes to a stop sign will sit there and wait for it to turn green.

Btw, I'm starting a donation drive for an emergency airdrop of Chips Ahoy, Doritos, and Fig Newtons into California when the new law takes effect.

198 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:37:24pm

re: #166 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I always find impossible dreamers on this forum. To the person who asked above, I can't say 100% that the short-term memory loss was totally caused by pot. I also cannot say with 100% certainty that occupational benzene exposure caused my father his life.

It doesn't mean I'm wrong, either way. And it's a pathetic way to support the use of a product that has the primary effect of getting you stoned and away from the reality of life.

I'm not so pathetically inclined.

Whoa, slow down now.
Personal Disclosure: I am NOT a user, but was many years ago.
My faculties are fine. Those who I know personally that do use - they too are fun. I"m quite sure that for a majority of users, recreational use is their preferred method.

Now, as with all drugs/stimulants/depressants/whatever(food) - excessive use is never good. Moderation.

Assuming that anyone that uses pot is constantly stoned and away from reality is just incorrect.

So, what's your thoughts on alcohol?

199 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:37:36pm

re: #159 Walter L. Newton

Oh... it going to be marvelous. First thing in the morning, we are going to open the first "Atheist Holiday Camps" and, with cooperation with Club Med, we will be offering an extended stay there for all the godless non-believers.

By noon time... give or take a few minutes... we will be installing confessional kiosks in government building, strip clubs and metro stations. You will have a chance to confess your practice of Liberation Theology. It will pay to confess, as we will go easier on you later on, when the reeducation starts.

And by evening... well, have you ever seen what a crucifix looks like on top of the washington DC capital dome... it will be like heaven on earth.

Don't get Left Behind.

They've already done the t-shirts:

[Link: t0.gstatic.com...]

200 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:37:39pm

re: #193 ralphieboy

Stop this "agree to disagree" nonsense - pick ideologically atrophied sides and start flinging poo!!!

I am PRAYING that amendment 19 passes in California.

201 barflytom  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:37:47pm

re: #154 lostlakehiker

Why would you expect that? It would be entirely out of character. This somewhat off key partying on the public dime, in the face of real problems and a drubbing for his party, is that meltdown, such as it is. It's a retreat, temporary and limited, from a painful reality.

The pomp and ceremony of the visit will ease the pain of the electoral returns, and he'll sort out his thoughts and feelings and chart a new course. The man is neither a fool nor a coward. He knows what he wants and he'll try to bring off as much of it as he can given the new circumstances.

It would seem to be out of character, but it's hard to know what his real character is - he's been pretty successful at hiding what he really thinks. My point is that he doesn't do well under pressure, or even speak very well without a script. He's been heckled a few times during this campaign, and doesn't deal with it very well, to say the least.
I just have a feeling that someday he's going to let loose on the electorate for their lack of gratitude towards him.

202 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:37:54pm

re: #193 ralphieboy

Stop this "agree to disagree" nonsense - pick ideologically atrophied sides and start flinging poo!!!

We have to pick sides to fling poo?

203 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:38:23pm

re: #193 ralphieboy

Stop this "agree to disagree" nonsense - pick ideologically atrophied sides and start flinging poo!!!

Well....perhaps a trip to the sin store (read: liquor store, bad carbs in synthetic containers) is in order.

204 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:38:25pm

re: #194 EmmmieG

You were going to bring me chocolate and give me your ipod.

Wait, wait, I didn't say to eat the chocolate! Sheesh.

Well I was gonna say... if I'm right and the Reps don't get the House, then on top of having the best election day evah, I want a cookie.

205 webevintage  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:38:30pm

[Link: reason.com...]

A new study in The Lancet rates the harmfulness of 20 psychoactive drugs according to 16 criteria and finds that alcohol comes out on top. Although that conclusion is generating headlines, it is not at all surprising, since alcohol is, by several important measures (including acute toxicity, impairment of driving ability, and the long-term health effects of heavy use), the most dangerous widely used intoxicant, and its abuse is also associated with violence, family breakdown, and social estrangement. A group of British drug experts gathered by the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs (ISCD) rated alcohol higher than most or all of the other drugs for health damage, mortality, impairment of mental functioning, accidental injury, economic cost, loss of relationships, and negative impact on community. Over all, alcohol rated 72 points on a 100-point scale, compared to 55 for heroin, 54 for crack cocaine, and 33 for methamphetamine. Cannabis got a middling score of 20, while MDMA (Ecstasy), LSD, and psilocybin mushrooms were at the low end, with ratings of 9, 7, and 6, respectively.

206 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:38:36pm

re: #187 ralphieboy

Except the nearest drive-through window...

Where you'll speed out the exit and run over a little girl on her bike.

Anyone else remember those commercials? Another one where two stoned kids decide to pull out their dad's shotgun and one of them blows the other's head off?

Man, I hate the people in charge of anti-drug ads.

207 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:38:45pm

re: #166 really grumpy big dog Johnson

So, what is beer for?

Anyway, I don't do drugs at all. I have literally never had a joint. I have only had one or two beers my whole life and I am 39.

But I do not pretend to know what is better for everyone else.

At some point, you have to allow people to live their lives. Marijuana does have medicinal purposes. Plus, the drug war has done as much or more damage to this country and others than all the pot smoke combined times infinity.

208 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:38:59pm

re: #193 ralphieboy

Stop this "agree to disagree" nonsense - pick ideologically atrophied sides and start flinging poo!!!

Image: 20091021.png

209 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:38:59pm

re: #201 barflytom

It would seem to be out of character, but it's hard to know what his real character is - he's been pretty successful at hiding what he really thinks. My point is that he doesn't do well under pressure, or even speak very well without a script. He's been heckled a few times during this campaign, and doesn't deal with it very well, to say the least.
I just have a feeling that someday he's going to let loose on the electorate for their lack of gratitude towards him.

What about that time he did the Q&A with the Republican members of Congress?

210 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:39:08pm

re: #202 Amory Blaine

We have to pick sides to fling poo?


Don't have to , but it reduces the incidences of "freindly fling"

211 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:39:18pm

re: #179 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I guess I'm not up on the news. I didn't know that the GOP was going to control the House after this election.

not only that, but we're all grounded until after christmas, and no more pizza until we pass geometry

212 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:39:42pm

re: #166 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I always find impossible dreamers on this forum. To the person who asked above, I can't say 100% that the short-term memory loss was totally caused by pot. I also cannot say with 100% certainty that occupational benzene exposure caused my father his life.

It doesn't mean I'm wrong, either way. And it's a pathetic way to support the use of a product that has the primary effect of getting you stoned and away from the reality of life.

I'm not so pathetically inclined.

I can't recall who it was but someone posted a link to this a day or two ago. For an alternate view.

213 tnguitarist  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:41:16pm

re: #127 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I know someone quite well who has severe short term memory loss from chronic heavy marijuana use. You are barking up the wrong tree, because this person is functionally disabled. From smoking pot.

Full legalization is probably about as intelligent as full legalization of nicotine products and those containing ethanol. But since we live in a drugged up society, where a majority of adults are using more than one prescription drug (on top of whatever non-prescription ones), I don't hold out much hope.

That's BS. I smoked heavily for the longest time and I don't..............wait, what?

214 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:41:26pm

Put me down as officially for legalizing heroin:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

215 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:41:55pm

re: #190 eclectic infidel

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Obviously pot isn't for everyone, nor is it 100% safe for everyone either.

For the record though, when I meet folk who smoke it via a bong or pipe, I always stress the need to buy a vaporizer at the very least. I care.

216 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:41:55pm

Fox News has declared Coons the winner in Delaware, nothing online yet.

217 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:42:10pm

re: #202 Amory Blaine

No, but it does help if more than one person is involved.

/

218 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:42:32pm

8.6 million people on facebook claim to have voted.

(Another statistic that can't be verified and means nothing, but is interesting.)

219 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:42:45pm

Looking at the user list . . .
Who is "TNChuckster"?

First I've seen that nic . . .

come out, come out and play!

220 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:43:00pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

I can't recall who it was but someone posted a link to this a day or two ago. For an alternate view.

They don't make Conservatives like that any more.

Or if they do make them they seem to unjustly wind up here (not that there's anything wrong with being on LGF) rather than in positions of power within their Party where they should be in a fair and just world...

221 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:43:11pm

re: #201 barflytom

It would seem to be out of character, but it's hard to know what his real character is - he's been pretty successful at hiding what he really thinks. My point is that he doesn't do well under pressure, or even speak very well without a script. He's been heckled a few times during this campaign, and doesn't deal with it very well, to say the least.
I just have a feeling that someday he's going to let loose on the electorate for their lack of gratitude towards him.

Yeesh. 2008 called. They want their talking points back.

It's people like you who keep repeating these lies that are causing all the trouble. Bush drove up the budget. Bush put us in a housing bubble. Bush started a war that all the Republicans were behind 1000% and wanted to support the poor Iraqis who are pretty much incapable of having a democratic republic for a myriad of reasons and yet not one of those Republicans will support putting food in the mouths of the poor in this country or a roof over their heads.

I have no use for you.

222 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:43:26pm

re: #216 Shiplord Kirel

Fox News has declared Coons the winner in Delaware, nothing online yet.

Actual news stations don't call races until the polls close. They close at 8 in Delaware.

223 AntonSirius  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:43:51pm

re: #216 Shiplord Kirel

Fox News has declared Coons the winner in Delaware, nothing online yet.

Have they offered O'Donnell a job yet?

224 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:44:10pm

re: #54 Charles

MSNBC is already projecting Rand Paul to win in Kentucky.

Dems are totally in the wilderness in states like KY. The demographics just favor the gop too much: very small minority population, not very urban, culturally still part of the south (though not deep south), and some leftover dead end neoconfederates.

Paul's opposition to the 1964 CRA would have been a fatal blow in many states. KY is not one of those states.

225 barflytom  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:44:19pm

re: #167 jamesfirecat

Yeah, too bad Bush had a bigger deficit during his last year than Obama did in his first.

Fact's can be irritating things like that...

The 2008 deficit was 962 billion, 2009 was 1,785 billion.

You can pin some of the blame for 2009 on Bush, but the stimulus was Obama's, and the slow rate of recovery is all his fault. All a socialist like him has to do to depress investment and economic activity is exist.

226 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:44:58pm

re: #225 barflytom

The 2008 deficit was 962 billion, 2009 was 1,785 billion.

You can pin some of the blame for 2009 on Bush, but the stimulus was Obama's, and the slow rate of recovery is all his fault. All a socialist like him has to do to depress investment and economic activity is exist.

The 2009 budget was Bush's budget. Passed in 08.

227 AK-47%  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:45:07pm

re: #223 AntonSirius

Have they offered O'Donnell a job yet?

She is considering the liiles of the field...

228 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:45:14pm

From the NIH:

From the NIH:

Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus

229 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:45:44pm

re: #221 marjoriemoon

Yeesh. 2008 called. They want their talking points back.

It's people like you who keep repeating these lies that are causing all the trouble. Bush drove up the budget. Bush put us in a housing bubble. Bush started a war that all the Republicans were behind 1000% and wanted to support the poor Iraqis who are pretty much incapable of having a democratic republic for a myriad of reasons and yet not one of those Republicans will support putting food in the mouths of the poor in this country or a roof over their heads.

I have no use for you.

Oh yeah they wanted to "support" the war.

Just not pay for it.

Kick that tin can down the line folks!

230 mas  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:45:45pm

I'm hoping that Kaisch beats Strickland - we need a new governor in Ohio.

231 RaphDaRussian  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:46:02pm

Nothing better than watching MSM trying to explain away these results. MSM election reaction . I anticipate there will be a lot of hand-wringing over how the voters are dumb and not deserving of the great HopeyChangey one. Bye Bye dems....

232 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:46:07pm

re: #226 recusancy

The 2009 budget was Bush's budget. Passed in 08.

But that doesn't belong in his reality, as it goes against his firmly held, but erroneous beliefs.

233 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:46:19pm

re: #111 barflytom

I'm looking forward to watching Obama try to talk his way out of this one. Even if the Republicans don't gain as many seats as some were predicting (maybe his ACORN and union buddies have found enough dead people and non-citizens to keep some of the marginal contests in the 'D' column !), it's still a huge rejection of his loony-left, big government agenda. I won't be surprised if he loses his cool someday and has a fairly spectacular public meltdown.

Meanwhile, he's apparently prepared for the occasion by reading "India on 200 Million a Day"...
[Link: www.ndtv.com...]

Breitbart, is that you? Sorry about the ABC gig, but aren't you kind of slumming here?

234 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:46:21pm

re: #228 really grumpy big dog Johnson

From the NIH:

From the NIH:

Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus

Maryjane makes you repeat yourself.

235 AntonSirius  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:46:34pm

re: #225 barflytom

HAI AGIN!!!!

I WUZ OBAMA JOKR 4 HALOWEEEN. WAT U GO AZ?

236 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:46:48pm

re: #230 mas

I'm hoping that Kaisch beats Strickland - we need a new governor in Ohio.

Go team FOX News!

237 MinisterO  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:46:57pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Am I the only one in the country who doesn't think the Republicans will get the House?

Maybe but you're not the only one hoping.

238 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:47:10pm

re: #231 RaphDaRussian

Nothing better than watching MSM trying to explain away these results. MSM election reaction . I anticipate there will be a lot of hand-wringing over how the voters are dumb and not deserving of the great HopeyChangey one. Bye Bye dems...

Welcome back, was it a coma?

239 barflytom  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:47:14pm

re: #226 recusancy

The 2009 budget was Bush's budget. Passed in 08.

...by a Democratic controlled congress....

240 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:47:25pm

re: #167 jamesfirecat

Yeah, too bad Bush had a bigger deficit during his last year than Obama did in his first.

Fact's can be irritating things like that...

Continually repeating phony talking points won't make them come true.

241 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:47:47pm

Didn't Obama put the war spending on the books that Bush wasn't doing ?

242 tnguitarist  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:47:52pm

Charles has open registration tonight for chuckles.

243 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:48:14pm

re: #228 really grumpy big dog Johnson

From the NIH:

From the NIH:

Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus

I don't think anyone argues that there definitely aren't any possible long-term adverse effects of smoking pot. (OK, some braindead hippies might). The point is, those effects are almost assuredly far less serious than alcohol and tobacco. Hell, if we're banning marijuana, let's all get on board the movement to ban unhealthy foods, because those impact a hell of a lot more people than those who will waste their brains smoking way too much pot.

244 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:48:16pm

re: #241 Amory Blaine

Didn't Obama put the war spending on the books that Bush wasn't doing ?

Yes, but we're not supposed to pay attention to that.

245 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:48:24pm

re: #225 barflytom

The 2008 deficit was 962 billion, 2009 was 1,785 billion.

You can pin some of the blame for 2009 on Bush, but the stimulus was Obama's, and the slow rate of recovery is all his fault. All a socialist like him has to do to depress investment and economic activity is exist.

So you have a problem with the government trying to stimulate the economy when its in a depression?

The early 1930's called, they want their economic policy back!

246 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:48:30pm

re: #239 barflytom

...by a Democratic controlled congress...

It was Bush's budget.

247 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:49:00pm

re: #228 really grumpy big dog Johnson

From the NIH:

From the NIH:

Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus

How does this compare with the dangers of Alcohol which we place no restrictions on but an age limit?

248 MAS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:49:00pm

Remember Florida has 2 time zones so they won't call that too soon.
Pretty sure O'Donnell will lose (duh) it would be nice if McMahon would win.
I personally know Meg Whitman - wish she would pull it off in Calif.

249 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:49:04pm

re: #166 really grumpy big dog Johnson

And it's a pathetic way to support the use of a product that has the primary effect of getting you ... away from the reality of life

so when are we going to ban fox "news" as a controlled substance?

250 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:49:13pm

re: #245 jamesfirecat

So you have a problem with the government trying to stimulate the economy when its in a depression?

The early 1930's called, they want their economic policy back!

It's zombie Hoover. Only way stupider.

251 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:49:24pm

re: #246 recusancy

It was Bush's budget.

The mythical "bush budget" was a short term compromise that only funded the government a few months into 2009.

252 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:49:24pm

re: #231 RaphDaRussian

Image: sleeper.jpg

253 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:49:25pm

re: #239 barflytom

...by a Democratic controlled congress...

He still had to sign it. It's still his budget. Thanks for playing.

254 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:49:50pm

re: #228 really grumpy big dog Johnson

From the NIH:

From the NIH:

Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus

If you're concerned with the health risks - by all means, don't smoke it. I've witnessed first hand the positive effects on cancer patients and AIDS patients; people with arthritis, and severe lower back pain. Granted, my experience is subjective but I'm not alone.

As with alcohol, there are potential risks to one's health with consumption. What else is new?

255 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:50:01pm

re: #247 jamesfirecat

How does this compare with the dangers of Alcohol which we place no restrictions on but an age limit?


Heavy, chronic use of either = serious, chronic, long-term problems.

256 webevintage  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:50:52pm

re: #224 palomino

Dems are totally in the wilderness in states like KY. The demographics just favor the gop too much: very small minority population, not very urban, culturally still part of the south (though not deep south), and some leftover dead end neoconfederates.

Paul's opposition to the 1964 CRA would have been a fatal blow in many states. KY is not one of those states.

Except it has not always been that way.
My husband is from KY and weeps for what used to be with Wendell Ford and Natcher.
The area my husband is from (Meade County) was a very Democratic area..."Hell there are even Republicans on the Fiscal Court" he just said with disgust in his voice and it is rural.
As it is Paul is not a pick up in the Senate since the seat was already Republican.

257 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:50:55pm

re: #251 RogueOne

The mythical "bush budget" was a short term compromise that only funded the government a few months into 2009.

Nope.

258 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:50:55pm

re: #248 MAS

Remember Florida has 2 time zones so they won't call that too soon.
Pretty sure O'Donnell will lose (duh) it would be nice if McMahon would win.
I personally know Meg Whitman - wish she would pull it off in Calif.

I'd love to see McMahon get a win over the theocrats in CT. Oh, and blumenthal is an ass.

259 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:51:17pm

re: #240 RogueOne

Continually repeating phony talking points won't make them come true.

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

260 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:51:19pm

re: #139 JamesWI

Unfortunately, for Republicans, this election was all about electing people who will refuse to even talk to people on the other side of the aisle.

That's the really big question going forward. McConnell and Boner probably are willing to compromise with the WH on a few things so as not to get tagged as a do-nothing Congress. And also because a large majority of Americans want the two sides to compromise.

But the TP rallying cry has been "no compromise" with Obama or the rest of the Dems. So we'll see if the TP has the guts to buck their new leadership, or if they just follow along like robots.

261 barflytom  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:52:16pm

re: #245 jamesfirecat

So you have a problem with the government trying to stimulate the economy when its in a depression?

The early 1930's called, they want their economic policy back!

Look at the unemployment figures between 1929 and WW2. There's a pretty convincing case to be made that FDR prolonged and worsened the depression. Read Thomas Sowell's column today. (And plenty of other "reviisonist talking points", as you'll no doubt refer to them)

262 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:52:35pm

0.o

The neighborhood is noisy with firecrackers and exploding rockets left over from the 4th.

263 AntonSirius  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:52:44pm

re: #236 recusancy

Go team FOX News!

Kasich very important. He has many leather-bound books and his apartment smells of rich mahogany.

264 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:52:46pm

re: #243 JamesWI

We cannot and must not allow people to make decisions for themselves. While the vast, vast majority will be able to use in moderation or for medicinal purposes, we must for the good of the small percentage ban all use.

So, instead of marijuana, we will prescribe hugely addictive narcotics for pain (I do know about this as my grandfather died of cancer. With pot he would have been coherent and in little pain. With the morphine, not so much. this is what HOSPICE said).

So, again, to make sure we control a few, we must control all.

Freedom shmeedom - unless it is something like beer etc that is more mainstream and brings in lots of dollars.

//

265 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:52:54pm

re: #260 palomino

That's the really big question going forward. McConnell and Boner probably are willing to compromise with the WH on a few things so as not to get tagged as a do-nothing Congress. And also because a large majority of Americans want the two sides to compromise.

But the TP rallying cry has been "no compromise" with Obama or the rest of the Dems. So we'll see if the TP has the guts to buck their new leadership, or if they just follow along like robots.

Indeed. We have to hope for a few more Scott Brown types (RIIIINOOOOOOO!!!!!!) in this election. But I am not optimistic there.

266 MAS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:52:57pm

Looks like Rubio is getting twice the vote of Christ - boy did he dumb down.

267 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:53:01pm

re: #262 eclectic infidel

0.o

The neighborhood is noisy with firecrackers and exploding rockets left over from the 4th.

Are you sure that's not the 2nd Amendment remedies kicking in?

268 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:53:11pm

Here is some big news- Joseph A Bank is having a sale.
/

269 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:53:33pm

Just hearing Rich Iott, the GOP loon who dressed up as a Nazi for kicks, has lost. Some sanity is still alive and kicking in America.

270 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:54:10pm

re: #262 eclectic infidel

0.o

The neighborhood is noisy with firecrackers and exploding rockets left over from the 4th.

Those are not fireworks... just a few antsy GOP revolutionist... stay low... it's not suppose to get really dangerous until tomorrow afternoon.
//

271 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:54:39pm

re: #261 barflytom

Look at the unemployment figures between 1929 and WW2. There's a pretty convincing case to be made that FDR prolonged and worsened the depression. Read Thomas Sowell's column today. (And plenty of other "reviisonist talking points", as you'll no doubt refer to them)

What about those figures should stand out exactly?

The big dip in 1937 when they cut back on spending?

272 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:55:21pm

re: #166 really grumpy big dog Johnson

And it's a pathetic way to support the use of a product that has the primary effect of getting you stoned and away from the reality of life.

I'm not so pathetically inclined.

What do you care if someone wants to chill out with some marijuana, to take a break after a hard day at work, rather than with a cold beer?

Actually you are being pathetic with your veiled insult. Take some time out and deal with your own demons.

273 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:55:22pm

re: #248 MAS

Remember Florida has 2 time zones so they won't call that too soon.
Pretty sure O'Donnell will lose (duh) it would be nice if McMahon would win.
I personally know Meg Whitman - wish she would pull it off in Calif.

Florida does not have 2 time zones.

274 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:55:50pm

Every time I think I may be mellowing, I hear Nancy Pelosi and tilt back the other way.

275 MAS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:55:56pm

This is going to be a very slow night - more pundits than news - off to watch DWTS results. Maybe Palin won't get voted off.

276 AntonSirius  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:56:28pm

re: #258 RogueOne

I'd love to see McMahon get a win over the theocrats in CT. Oh, and blumenthal is an ass.

Some precincts in CT ran out of ballots. I'm pretty sure that's Phase Two of the McMahon master plan.

We need more rasslin' plot lines in the Senate. Oh, and folding chairs upside people's heads.

277 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:56:30pm

re: #273 marjoriemoon

I thought it has East and Central.

278 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:56:33pm

re: #273 marjoriemoon

Florida does not have 2 time zones.

Just looked at a map. Part of the panhandle is in a different time zone.

279 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:56:38pm

Let's see it I've got it straight: When the Repubs lose a seat it's Acorn and the New Black Panthers. When the Dems lose it's Diebold and voter suppression.

280 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:57:00pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

Let's see it I've got it straight: When the Repubs lose a seat it's Acorn and the New Black Panthers. When the Dems lose it's Diebold and voter suppression.

Very good! You earn a Talking Points Gold Star.

281 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:57:21pm

*Heads out for beer. I will be up late. Beer required.

282 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:57:38pm

re: #273 marjoriemoon

Florida does not have 2 time zones.

Florida has two centuries. Spend much time in the Panhandle?

283 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:57:40pm

re: #255 reine.de.tout

Heavy, chronic use of either = serious, chronic, long-term problems.

But alcohol is legal and I don't think anyone could pull off prohibition at this point. If alcohol is legal, there's no good reason why pot shouldn't be. The health risks for excessive drinking (mainly liver and heart damage that can kill you) are far worse than excessive pot smoking.

284 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:57:47pm

re: #281 eclectic infidel

*Heads out for beer. I will be up late. Beer required.

Finally. News I can use.

285 MAS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:57:56pm

Parts of the Florida panhandle are on Central Time.

286 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:57:56pm

re: #281 eclectic infidel

No joints though. You would definitely lose your mind and kill someone.

But, drink all you want!

/

287 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:58:43pm

re: #286 brownbagj

No joints though. You would definitely lose your mind and kill someone.

But, drink all you want!

/

Yeah. I'll get loaded on MGD and drive a tractor through someone's front yard instead.

288 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:58:54pm

re: #282 Decatur Deb

Two centuries? 18th and 17th?

289 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:58:59pm

re: #261 barflytom

Look at the unemployment figures between 1929 and WW2. There's a pretty convincing case to be made that FDR prolonged and worsened the depression

i think you would be pretty confused if you attended a jury trial. "wow, both lawyers sounded so convincing when they made their cases! they can't both be right, can they???"

290 zackbagen  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:59:13pm

re: #182 EmmmieG

That was a metaphor. This is a simile: EmmmieG is as humorless as a bag of dead squirrels.

291 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:59:27pm

re: #277 brownbagj

I thought it has East and Central.

Oh well a small part of the panhandle is central.

Image: USA_Timezone_map.gif

292 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:59:35pm

re: #287 eclectic infidel

Lawnmower. Always go for the lawnmower. Still an engine driven machine, but lots less damage.

293 MAS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:59:37pm

I wouldn't post something that I didn't know as fact.

294 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 4:59:42pm

While we are on the subject of time zones, may I point out that National Treasure (aside from the fact that it was impossible from the word go), had that silliness about the shadow at exactly a certain time and DST, etc. etc.

Standardized times weren't introduced until the railroads. Until then, each town used it's own calculations. The time zones were introduced because the railroads, making transport so much faster, required time to be synchronized from time to time.

So 2: whatever in 1776 probably wouldn't be the exact same time now.

This moment brought to you by the same woman who was huffing and muttering at the screen all the way through Anastasia.

295 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:00:00pm

re: #278 EmmmieG

Just looked at a map. Part of the panhandle is in a different time zone.

Right. But for that person's point, it hardly makes a difference.

296 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:00:24pm

re: #290 zackbagen

That was a metaphor. This is a simile: EmmmieG is as humorless as a bag of dead squirrels.

Fuck off troll.

297 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:00:41pm

re: #290 zackbagen

That was a metaphor. This is a simile: EmmmieG is as humorless as a bag of dead squirrels.

Under the right circumstances, a bag of dead squirrels could be hilarious.

298 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:00:43pm

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

Fuck off troll.

I'm going on gaze mode.

299 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:00:51pm

re: #293 MAS

I wouldn't post something that I didn't know as fact.

In that case, you have no hope as a politician or pundit.
/

300 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:01:18pm

re: #257 recusancy

Nope.

Bush submitted a budget early, the dems came back with their own late in the summer which bush threatened to veto:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

No decision was made until later when they came up with a compromise:
HR 2638: Sept 2008
[Link: rpc.senate.gov...]

... extending the fed spending until March of 2009 where the dems had the opportunity to submit again:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]


Fake meme is fake.

301 barflytom  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:01:18pm

re: #271 jamesfirecat

What about those figures should stand out exactly?

The big dip in 1937 when they cut back on spending?

No, much earlier. Unemployment rose after the crash in 1929, but had already started to decline when the tariffs and other measures were introduced under Hoover. FDR just went on to make things worse by constantly tinkering with price fixing etc. The economy would probably have recovered just fine if they'd done nothing.

Look at spending compared with growth in the early 1920's, under America's greatest ever President, Warren G Harding !

302 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:01:19pm

But thank for you noticing the extra "m." That is good attention to detail.

303 Basho  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:01:34pm

re: #82 negativ

Nate Silver's 10 reasons you should ignore exit polls

Wishful thinking. In reality they're accurate. Most of the examples of bad polling in that article are those that skew in favor of Democrats. So if exit polling shows a Republican is projected to win, they will definitely win.

304 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:01:35pm

re: #297 negativ

Under the right circumstances, a bag of dead squirrels could be hilarious.

Especially if they are shoved up zackbagen's ass.

305 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:01:45pm

re: #290 zackbagen

That was a metaphor. This is a simile: EmmmieG is as humorless as a bag of dead squirrels.

Don't you go dissin our Emmie.

306 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:01:46pm

re: #298 EmmmieG

I'm going on gaze mode.

I'm guessing a post containing the words "echo chamber" is not that far off.

307 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:01:47pm

re: #231 RaphDaRussian

I anticipate there will be a lot of hand-wringing over how the voters are dumb and not deserving of the great HopeyChangey one. Bye Bye dems...

And hello, troll!

308 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:02:02pm

Florida's going to the Tea Party creationist Marco Rubio.

309 sizzleRI  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:02:09pm

I'm in! I'm in! This is so exciting. The page is colorful with a registration. Anyway, hi everyone, I've been reading since fall of 2009 and am thrilled to be registered. Looks to be an exciting night and brings back memories of election night 1994 when my mother cried and stole an Oliver North sign that someone had attached a traitor banner too. Good times.

310 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:02:18pm

re: #283 marjoriemoon

But alcohol is legal and I don't think anyone could pull off prohibition at this point. If alcohol is legal, there's no good reason why pot shouldn't be. The health risks for excessive drinking (mainly liver and heart damage that can kill you) are far worse than excessive pot smoking.

Agreed there is no good reason why pot should continue to be illegal.

Heavy, chronic use of either, however, have serious effects. Pot smoke has the same negatives as cigarette smoke. Heart damage or lung cancer - maybe one is worse, I don't know. Both are bad.

311 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:02:44pm

re: #308 Charles

Florida's going to the Tea Party creationist Marco Rubio.

It makes me wonder. How long will it be before these votards get a major case of buyer's remorse?

312 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:12pm

re: #297 negativ

Under the right circumstances, a bag of dead squirrels could be hilarious.

In my town, a bag of dead squirrels and a used washing machine were offered in exchange for sexual favors. The undercover cop could hardly write the report.

313 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:15pm

Good grief. Polls close at 8?.......... In the UK polls are open from around 7am til 10pm.

When do polls open in the states?

314 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:18pm

re: #303 Basho

Wishful thinking. In reality they're accurate. Most of the examples of bad polling in that article are those that skew in favor of Democrats. So if exit polling shows a Republican is projected to win, they will definitely win.

Yeah. What does Nate Silver know?

315 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:22pm

re: #301 barflytom

No, much earlier. Unemployment rose after the crash in 1929, but had already started to decline when the tariffs and other measures were introduced under Hoover. FDR just went on to make things worse by constantly tinkering with price fixing etc. The economy would probably have recovered just fine if they'd done nothing.

Look at spending compared with growth in the early 1920's, under America's greatest ever President, Warren G Harding !

What do you think about what WW2 did to the depression?

316 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:36pm

re: #313 wozzablog

Good grief. Polls close at 8?... In the UK polls are open from around 7am til 10pm.

When do polls open in the states?

Indiana is 6-6, generally.

317 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:37pm

re: #313 wozzablog

Good grief. Polls close at 8?... In the UK polls are open from around 7am til 10pm.

When do polls open in the states?

6 a.m

318 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:41pm

re: #308 Charles

Florida's going to the Tea Party creationist Marco Rubio.

That was a given :( I still voted for Meek. It'll be interesting to see how many votes Crist and Meek pick up tho.

319 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:43pm

re: #313 wozzablog

Good grief. Polls close at 8?... In the UK polls are open from around 7am til 10pm.

When do polls open in the states?

7AM, mostly.

320 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:50pm

re: #310 reine.de.tout

Agreed there is no good reason why pot should continue to be illegal.

Heavy, chronic use of either, however, have serious effects. Pot smoke has the same negatives as cigarette smoke. Heart damage or lung cancer - maybe one is worse, I don't know. Both are bad.

You know you could just eat pot brownies and get just as high Zero chance of lung cancer....

321 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:03:53pm

24 hatchlings and 6 blocked socks so far.

322 webevintage  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:04:09pm

re: #308 Charles

Florida's going to the Tea Party creationist Marco Rubio.

Is that a pick up for R's or was that already a Republican seat?

323 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:04:11pm

re: #309 sizzleRI

I'm in! I'm in! This is so exciting. The page is colorful with a registration. Anyway, hi everyone, I've been reading since fall of 2009 and am thrilled to be registered. Looks to be an exciting night and brings back memories of election night 1994 when my mother cried and stole an Oliver North sign that someone had attached a traitor banner too. Good times.

Stop gushing.

324 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:04:21pm

re: #320 jamesfirecat

You know you could just eat pot brownies and get just as high Zero chance of lung cancer...

True, dat.

325 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:04:34pm

re: #308 Charles

Florida's going to the Tea Party creationist Marco Rubio.

FL had an awful slate all around.

326 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:04:55pm

re: #322 webevintage

Is that a pick up for R's or was that already a Republican seat?

It was R already.

327 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:05:00pm

re: #310 reine.de.tout

Almost anything used to excess is bad for us puny humans. Pot, nor food are not different in this regard.

I agree that if beer is legal, there is no rational argument for maryj to not be.

I would rather spend the money saved from law enforcement, prisons etc in the drug war for the much less expensive cost of rehabilitation for the small fraction that have dependency problems.

328 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:05:04pm

re: #321 Charles

24 hatchlings and 6 blocked socks so far.

It's like one of those nature shows where the baby turtles try to crawl to the sea, but the seagulls keep circling....

329 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:05:16pm

re: #308 Charles

Florida's going to the Tea Party creationist Marco Rubio.

Ugh. Thanks for nothing, Kendrick Meek. He had no chance whatsoever of winning, and he could've pulled out to at least stop Rubio from getting in.

330 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:05:18pm

re: #309 sizzleRI

I'm in! I'm in! This is so exciting. The page is colorful with a registration. Anyway, hi everyone, I've been reading since fall of 2009 and am thrilled to be registered. Looks to be an exciting night and brings back memories of election night 1994 when my mother cried and stole an Oliver North sign that someone had attached a traitor banner too. Good times.

Welcome newbie. Keep your head down and never take a Luger from a dead kraut NCO.

331 claw  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:05:44pm

This was a rejection by the voters of the current democratic policies. Republicans should be humble and listen to the American people or this will happen to them in 2012.

332 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:05:59pm

Wow, Indiana is going to toss 3 dem incumbents out and hand the bayh seat to Coates. Just 2 years ago 2/3rds of the state voted blue, now it's almost entirely red. Nice job people.

333 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:06:15pm

re: #310 reine.de.tout

Agreed there is no good reason why pot should continue to be illegal.

Heavy, chronic use of either, however, have serious effects. Pot smoke has the same negatives as cigarette smoke. Heart damage or lung cancer - maybe one is worse, I don't know. Both are bad.

Absolutely. But moderate use of either shouldn't cause any issues with anyone. And not everyone abuses alcohol. Lots of people are social drinkers.

Pot is less dangerous than cigs. It doesn't have any chemicals. Well, since you buy pot by unknown sources (if you don't grow your own) you also don't know what's on it. Legalization would make a safer product.

334 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:06:29pm

re: #331 cwolff

This was a rejection by the voters of the current democratic policies. Republicans should be humble and listen to the American people or this will happen to them in 2012.

Please, the Republicans don't even have policies to be rejected beyond "NO" and "whatever the the democrats aren't doing..."

335 zackbagen  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:06:32pm

re: #297 negativ
Humor is all about context. Check EmmmieG's reply.

336 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:06:37pm

re: #326 Amory Blaine

It was R already.

Obviously the teabaggers didn't think it was R enough.

337 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:06:41pm

re: #309 sizzleRI

Smoke'em if ya gottem.

338 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:06:44pm

re: #290 zackbagen

Piss off, wanker...

339 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:06:47pm

re: #331 cwolff

This was a rejection by the voters of the current democratic policies. Republicans should be humble and listen to the American people or this will happen to them in 2012.

No, it wasn't. Polls show that voters disapprove of both parties equally. The economy's in bad shape, and that's what is driving this election. It's no mandate for the Republicans or the Tea Party.

340 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:07:11pm

re: #256 webevintage

Except it has not always been that way.
My husband is from KY and weeps for what used to be with Wendell Ford and Natcher.
The area my husband is from (Meade County) was a very Democratic area..."Hell there are even Republicans on the Fiscal Court" he just said with disgust in his voice and it is rural.
As it is Paul is not a pick up in the Senate since the seat was already Republican.

Things have changed quite a bit in that respect. Think of KY as the anti-California. It's not diverse, it's not big, it's socially conservative and it's quite evangelical. In the same way that Republicans (with the exception of movie stars) have a hard time winning in Cali, Dems will have trouble in KY.

341 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:07:13pm

re: #332 RogueOne

Wow, Indiana is going to toss 3 dem incumbents out and hand the bayh seat to Coates. Just 2 years ago 2/3rds of the state voted blue, now it's almost entirely red. Nice job people.

Oy. Although if you think about it, Rogue, Indiana has a history of being pretty red. Evan Bayh was a pretty conservative Democrat for all that.

342 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:07:27pm

re: #339 Charles

No, it wasn't. Polls show that voters disapprove of both parties equally. The economy's in bad shape, and that's what is driving this election. It's no mandate for the Republicans or the Tea Party.

Actually I think polls show people still trust Democrats more than Republicans....

343 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:07:47pm

re: #339 Charles

No, it wasn't. Polls show that voters disapprove of both parties equally. The economy's in bad shape, and that's what is driving this election. It's no mandate for the Republicans or the Tea Party.

It's a mandate for "Stop wasting our money and help us get back to work, you incompetent fools."

344 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:07:53pm

re: #341 thedopefishlives

Oy. Although if you think about it, Rogue, Indiana has a history of being pretty red. Evan Bayh was a pretty conservative Democrat for all that.

We used to be purple.

345 webevintage  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:08:08pm

re: #326 Amory Blaine

It was R already.

So this is more about the extreme right wing taking over the Republican party....

346 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:08:15pm

re: #301 barflytom

The economy would probably have recovered just fine if they'd done nothing.

on the other hand, we really have no idea whether it would have or not. so please, no conclusions based on things that can't be known, ok?

Look at spending compared with growth in the early 1920's, under America's greatest ever President, Warren G Harding !

???

347 theheat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:08:27pm

re: #339 Charles

But what is so shocking: people actually believe the GOPs would be the answer to put the economy on track.

For the life of me, I don't know how they're still able to sell that tired bag of bullshit.

348 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:08:48pm

re: #342 jamesfirecat

But the numbers are bad for both. The dems are at less than 20 and the reps are less than 15.

Neither should be proud.

349 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:08:54pm

Well the good news is that the GOP will not get control of the senate and they will not get control of the White house next election either unless some real scandal rocks this administration. This is because the tea-bags once in the house are going to have to do something other than attack climate scientists to actually hold onto their much more minimal than would have been otherwise, had adult Republicans run. No teabag legislation is going to get through the senate of past a veto.

The bad news is that a whole batch of crazy has just gotten controls of the house and there will be even worse gridlock coupled with endless faux outrages and "investigations" designed more to damage opponents than to actually govern. The worse news is that nothing will get done at all for the next two years about AGW. These are two years that we do not have as a planet to waste.

Idiots who do not understand or appreciate the danger will crow about this. They will even celebrate and think it is some sort of victory - though it is rather like someone celebrating that they have a treatable cancer that won't receive any attention for at least another two years. This is one of the cases where the I told you so is so bad that I, and pretty much every scientist would much rather have been wrong. We aren't.

We will also hear lots and lots of "pious" rumblings about abortion and gay people to be used as wedge issues when ridiculous bills die in the senate.

Worse yet though, is the reflection that this election is on America. The supposed good guys, the Dems, yet again never started fighting or getting organized months ago, when they were in a street fight since the last election. To say they were spineless and anemic would be an understatement. To say they simply could not bring themselves to stand in any unified way against a very well organized propaganda campaign, and that they were too arrogant and stupid to try to fight it, is more close.

But what of the Teabags? We are actually going to see a man who has problems with civil rights get into the senate. What that says about America in 2010, alone is terrifying. When we see that any of these people are taken seriously at all by any large segment of the population, is defacto proof that America has the most ignorant and backwards populace of any nation in the West.

350 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:08:55pm

re: #327 brownbagj

Almost anything used to excess is bad for us puny humans. Pot, nor food are not different in this regard.

I agree that if beer is legal, there is no rational argument for maryj to not be.

I would rather spend the money saved from law enforcement, prisons etc in the drug war for the much less expensive cost of rehabilitation for the small fraction that have dependency problems.

Well . . . if we're going to pay for rehab for marijuana dependency, we should pay for alcohol too. Since we're equating the two, as far as damage done.

And yes, of course you're right, anything to excess is bad - food, vitamins, water even. And except for certain jurisdictions dictating what sort of oil restaurants can use in food prep, there isn't much in the way of regulating those things.

351 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:09:25pm

re: #339 Charles

No, it wasn't. Polls show that voters disapprove of both parties equally. The economy's in bad shape, and that's what is driving this election. It's no mandate for the Republicans or the Tea Party.

They actually hate the Dems the least even though they are going to vote them out. [Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Democrats have a 10-point favorability gap: 43 percent of voters have a positive opinion of the party, while 53 percent aren’t thrilled. The Republican Party also gets a thumbs-down from 53 percent of the nation’s voters, with just 41 percent saying they’re happy with the GOP.

352 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:09:30pm

re: #325 researchok

FL had an awful slate all around.

Sink and Scott are neck and neck. I don't know what that means. If it's that close, we may have another debacle like 2000. My only thinking is that Crist, as still governor, wouldn't allow something like that. (I hope.)

Local news was saying that usually Republican candidates are far, far out in the race - like 20-30 points at least by the last couple weeks. So that was actually a good thing for Sink. Rubio took a big lead over the last few weeks.

353 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:09:31pm

Oh my goodness!
I just found a nice fresh pumpkin pie on the kitchen counter my Darling picked up today... it's just sitting there, oh so patiently waiting for me later to fork the wondrous morsels (with a dollop of whip cream) into my yawning gob.

My toes are doing a dance.

354 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:09:45pm

CNN has called a NH race over and the candidate they say is going to win is losing.

355 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:08pm

PIMF

Well the good news is that the GOP will not get control of the senate and they will not get control of the White house next election either unless some real scandal rocks this administration. This is because the tea-bags once in the house, are going to have to do something other than attack climate scientists to actually hold onto their much more minimal than would have been otherwise gains, had adult Republicans run. No teabag legislation is going to get through the senate or past a veto.

356 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:10pm

It looks like Democratic firebrand Alan Grayson's on his way out of the House too. I'm kinda torn on that - I liked that for once a Dem was taking the fight to the Republicans, but he came out with some seriously over the top stuff (like that awful 'Taliban Dan' ad).

357 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:11pm

re: #329 Merryweather

Ugh. Thanks for nothing, Kendrick Meek. He had no chance whatsoever of winning, and he could've pulled out to at least stop Rubio from getting in.

Why should he pull out? Why didn't Crist pull out?

358 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:11pm

re: #343 thedopefishlives

It's a mandate for "Stop wasting our money and help us get back to work, you incompetent fools."

Except that the people wasting the money and stopping people from getting to work are the ones getting more seats.

What a country!

359 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:19pm

re: #261 barflytom

Look at the unemployment figures between 1929 and WW2. There's a pretty convincing case to be made that FDR prolonged and worsened the depression. Read Thomas Sowell's column today. (And plenty of other "reviisonist talking points", as you'll no doubt refer to them)

So FDR should have continued Hoover's passive policies even though unemployment had shot up to 25% between 1929 and 1932?

If FDR had campaigned on that, Hoover might have kept his job. Why vote for FDR if he's gonna do the same thing as Hoover?

360 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:29pm

re: #333 marjoriemoon

Absolutely. But moderate use of either shouldn't cause any issues with anyone. And not everyone abuses alcohol. Lots of people are social drinkers.

Pot is less dangerous than cigs. It doesn't have any chemicals. Well, since you buy pot by unknown sources (if you don't grow your own) you also don't know what's on it. Legalization would make a safer product.

NIDA research (NIDA is part of the NIH).

361 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:33pm

re: #354 RogueOne

CNN has called a NH race over and the candidate they say is going to win is losing.

The practice of calling polling results before 95% or so of the ballots are in should've ended with the 2000 election debacle. You'd think people would learn.

362 barflytom  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:36pm

re: #315 jamesfirecat

What do you think about what WW2 did to the depression?

You're scraping the barrel a bit there if you're trying to make the case that "government spending creates jobs". America got out of debt quickly after WW2 because just about every other major industrial nation had been flattened and there was huge demand for rebuilding.
How did the economy do after Vietnam then ?

I assume you're familiar with the "broken window" fallacy of economics ?

363 webevintage  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:10:51pm

Maddow is doing a great job dealing with Tweety on MSNBC..

364 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:11:08pm

re: #353 Ericus58

Oh my goodness!
I just found a nice fresh pumpkin pie on the kitchen counter my Darling picked up today... it's just sitting there, oh so patiently waiting for me later to fork the wondrous morsels (with a dollop of whip cream) into my yawning gob.

My toes are doing a dance.

Pumpkin pie is my fav. I picked up some pumpkin fudge from a local sweet shop earlier. Good stuff.

365 brownbagj  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:11:23pm

re: #350 reine.de.tout

Agree completely.

366 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:11:25pm

re: #358 jamesfirecat

Except that the people wasting the money and stopping people from getting to work are the ones getting more seats.

What a country!

Well, in all fairness, just about ANY politician these days would fall into that category. Few and far between are the people running for office who actually have workable economic knowledge and ideas.

367 Cheechako  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:11:47pm

Wife and I voted during the lunch hour. Surprisingly, no lines at the polls. Don't know what that means. Both of us voted for a write-in candidate from a list of 170 wanna-be Senators. Unless one candidate has a clear majority it will be a week or two until we get the results.

368 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:12:29pm

re: #367 Cheechako

Wife and I voted during the lunch hour. Surprisingly, no lines at the polls. Don't know what that means. Both of us voted for a write-in candidate from a list of 170 wanna-be Senators. Unless one candidate has a clear majority it will be a week or two until we get the results.

170? What state is this? I didn't know we had 170 parties.

369 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:12:44pm

How long until Randy Paul is deemed a RINO?

370 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:12:56pm

re: #265 JamesWI

Indeed. We have to hope for a few more Scott Brown types (RIIINOOO!!!) in this election. But I am not optimistic there.

Me neither. There doesn't seem to be a wing of the party for people like Scott Brown. For the most part, they just sit in the back of the GOP bus (oops) and do what they're told.

371 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:13:02pm

re: #349 LudwigVanQuixote

But what of the Teabags?

i think the tea party has already accomplished a great deal in its historical destiny to fatally split the republican party and marginalize the conservative movement

372 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:13:03pm

re: #357 marjoriemoon

Why should he pull out? Why didn't Crist pull out?

///Cause Democrats are spineless.

////Running away from things should come naturally to us....

373 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:13:16pm

re: #357 marjoriemoon

Because polls consistently showed Meek trailing both, and behind Crist by double digits. If he'd dropped out, his supporters could've easily made up the difference between Crist and Rubio.

374 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:13:38pm

re: #339 Charles

No, it wasn't. Polls show that voters disapprove of both parties equally. The economy's in bad shape, and that's what is driving this election. It's no mandate for the Republicans or the Tea Party.


Democrats are up in favorables against republicans.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Total Approval Total Dissaproval - Spread


The Democratic Party 39... 42... -3
The Republican Party 34... 41... -7
The Tea Party Movement 32... 40... -8

Knowledgeable teapartiers please refudiate...........

375 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:13:45pm

re: #268 researchok

Here is some big news- Joseph A Bank is having a sale.
/

God, I wish that fucking sale would end. But it never does.

376 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:13:49pm

re: #352 marjoriemoon

Sink and Scott are neck and neck. I don't know what that means. If it's that close, we may have another debacle like 2000. My only thinking is that Crist, as still governor, wouldn't allow something like that. (I hope.)

Local news was saying that usually Republican candidates are far, far out in the race - like 20-30 points at least by the last couple weeks. So that was actually a good thing for Sink. Rubio took a big lead over the last few weeks.

There is a reason Disneyworld is in Florida.

FL politics has been a great spectator sport for a long time.

By the way, how did the Miami/Cuban vote play out?

377 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:14:29pm

re: #292 brownbagj

Lawnmower. Always go for the lawnmower. Still an engine driven machine, but lots less damage.

But a tractor would just freak people out!

378 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:14:40pm

re: #360 reine.de.tout

NIDA research (NIDA is part of the NIH).

Already posted.

Once again any non hypocritical stance on Pot illegalization needs to start from the statement...

"Marijuana does the following things that Beer and or Tobacco don't...."

///For example: Marijuana can save your life if you're under going chemo....

379 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:15:12pm

re: #361 thedopefishlives

Actually, going along with that, I remember as a kid some of my favorite memories were during the few election years I can remember. We'd sit as a family and watch the early East Coast election results come in, watch as the Midwest and central South results started to climb... Then we'd be shoo'd off to bed, to learn the next morning what color the map of the United States would be. That was the best part, the anticipation, waiting to see whose names would be on the list.

380 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:16:14pm

re: #366 thedopefishlives

Well, in all fairness, just about ANY politician these days would fall into that category. Few and far between are the people running for office who actually have workable economic knowledge and ideas.

Yeah but the Democrats were at least trying to run with ideas that worked during our Last major economic down turn... and the Republicans were digging in their heels like it was going out of fashion....

381 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:16:17pm

re: #379 thedopefishlives

Actually, going along with that, I remember as a kid some of my favorite memories were during the few election years I can remember. We'd sit as a family and watch the early East Coast election results come in, watch as the Midwest and central South results started to climb... Then we'd be shoo'd off to bed, to learn the next morning what color the map of the United States would be. That was the best part, the anticipation, waiting to see whose names would be on the list.

In my house... the kids didn't have to wait until morning... Dad gave us crayons and a sheet of paper and we'd color in the state ourselves...

382 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:16:34pm

re: #379 thedopefishlives

Actually, going along with that, I remember as a kid some of my favorite memories were during the few election years I can remember. We'd sit as a family and watch the early East Coast election results come in, watch as the Midwest and central South results started to climb... Then we'd be shoo'd off to bed, to learn the next morning what color the map of the United States would be. That was the best part, the anticipation, waiting to see whose names would be on the list.

Like Christmas morning, only sometimes there"d be crap in the wrappers?

383 Winny Spencer  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:17:01pm

re: #269 Merryweather

Just hearing Rich Iott, the GOP loon who dressed up as a Nazi for kicks, has lost. Some sanity is still alive and kicking in America.

That is such good news. What an unbelievable creep.

384 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:17:14pm

re: #272 eclectic infidel

What do you care if someone wants to chill out with some marijuana, to take a break after a hard day at work, rather than with a cold beer?

Actually you are being pathetic with your veiled insult. Take some time out and deal with your own demons.

Look, whoever you are. I don't have any demons, at least not any that you are apparently alluding to. I've lived a good life and I'm in my sixties and in great health: no chronic pains or medical conditions, almost never sick from anything, no arthritis, headaches, etc. What people do with their own lives is what they do.

But when people bandwagon pot as some miracle cure-all, it's really going a bit far. And I'm well aware that there are kinds of pain that it can reduce, and I'm certainly not against that. It's not my doing that tobacco and alcohol or legal or illegal, I've used all three and have no addictions to any, but that doesn't mean that millions of people do themselves significant and occasionally lethal harm from each. And yes, the vast majority of the harm comes from tobacco and alcohol.

So if a drug causes sudden heart attack deaths in only one of 100 thousand users, should we just consider that the cost of business, if the benefits of the drug are relatively benign, and not for end-of-life reasons?

For a forum that is supposedly about tolerance and working together, occasionally this one gets run over by the supporters of pet causes of various kinds. And getting ganged up upon for having opinions is not new to me or many other people here. But why?

385 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:17:54pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

You had crayons? We used blueberry juice and the blood of mice.

386 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:18:01pm

re: #382 Decatur Deb

Like Christmas morning, only sometimes there"d be crap in the wrappers?

Funny you should mention that. I actually wrote a letter to the President back in 1992. Imagine my disappointment when it came back signed Bill Clinton.

387 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:18:03pm

re: #360 reine.de.tout

NIDA research (NIDA is part of the NIH).

It's an interesting study, especially regarding lung cancer, however, one doesn't smoke pot like one would smoke cigarettes. They really don't say what "heavy" pot use is in that study, other than rats were exposed daily to THC. I'm assuming a least a few grams - maybe a cigarette worth? People I've known who smoke "heavily" maybe 1 a day and a 3-4 on the weekend.

388 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:18:08pm

The economy is a big factor here, but I can't help feeling that the same cognitive dissonance which has Americans demanding less government but more government programs is what causes them to vote for Republicans while disliking them more than Democrats.

389 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:18:48pm

re: #384 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Locking people up for pot has done tremendous harm to our country.

390 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:19:26pm

re: #385 Decatur Deb

You had crayons? We used blueberry juice and the blood of mice.

You were at the same kindergarten as christine o'donnell?

391 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:19:34pm

re: #383 Winny Spencer

That is such good news. What an unbelievable creep.

Auf Wiedersehen Mr. Lott....

392 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:19:44pm

re: #332 RogueOne

Wow, Indiana is going to toss 3 dem incumbents out and hand the bayh seat to Coates. Just 2 years ago 2/3rds of the state voted blue, now it's almost entirely red. Nice job people.

You expected long term sanity in Indiana?

It's right next to Kentucky--geographically, demographically and ideologically.

393 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:19:56pm

re: #371 engineer dog

i think the tea party has already accomplished a great deal in its historical destiny to fatally split the republican party and marginalize the conservative movement

Well, here is hoping. The real thing that shocks me is how very many Americans go for that inchoate rage, idiocy and racist propaganda in the service of corporations that will rape them.

Something like a third of the population really is that insanely dumb, in some cases evil, and in all cases self destructive.

Something like another third isn't that way, but blind to the obvious.

394 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:20:07pm

re: #384 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Look, whoever you are. I don't have any demons, at least not any that you are apparently alluding to. I've lived a good life and I'm in my sixties and in great health: no chronic pains or medical conditions, almost never sick from anything, no arthritis, headaches, etc. What people do with their own lives is what they do.

But when people bandwagon pot as some miracle cure-all, it's really going a bit far. And I'm well aware that there are kinds of pain that it can reduce, and I'm certainly not against that. It's not my doing that tobacco and alcohol or legal or illegal, I've used all three and have no addictions to any, but that doesn't mean that millions of people do themselves significant and occasionally lethal harm from each. And yes, the vast majority of the harm comes from tobacco and alcohol.

So if a drug causes sudden heart attack deaths in only one of 100 thousand users, should we just consider that the cost of business, if the benefits of the drug are relatively benign, and not for end-of-life reasons?

For a forum that is supposedly about tolerance and working together, occasionally this one gets run over by the supporters of pet causes of various kinds. And getting ganged up upon for having opinions is not new to me or many other people here. But why?

Do you feel pot is more dangerous than Beer?

395 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:20:14pm

re: #385 Decatur Deb

You had crayons? We used blueberry juice and the blood of mice.

We had burned sticks from the fireplace and the back of a shovel.

(I actually had the kids write with charcoal on the back of a shovel once for a Lincoln lesson.)

396 recusancy  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:20:26pm

Dems picked up one in the house already - Delaware.

397 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:20:30pm

re: #392 palomino

You expected long term sanity in Indiana?

It's right next to Kentucky--geographically, demographically and ideologically.

Q: Why doesn't Kentucky fall into the Gulf of Mexico?
A: BECAUSE INDIANA SUCKS!

/Nyuk nyuk nyuk

398 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:20:46pm

It's been damn near 30 years since I last used pot. I sometimes think..man if they made it legal, I could actually go for a joint once in a while, but then I remember how wasted and stupid it made me and rethink the whole thing, though I understand cannabis indica is a much different high than cannabis sativa.

399 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:20:52pm

re: #392 palomino

You expected long term sanity in Indiana?

It's right next to Kentucky--geographically, demographically and ideologically.

Boo! No need to be rude, butthole./

400 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:20:57pm

re: #384 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Oh get off of your self-righteous ass.

401 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:21:42pm

re: #374 wozzablog


Knowledgeable teapartiers please refudiate...

What does a "Knowledgeable teapartier" look like? Do they exist?

402 Winny Spencer  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:22:06pm

Christine O'Donnell on twitter:

"Join us at tonight's victory party. I'm looking forward to personally thanking many."

403 Timmeh  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:22:24pm

Ding-Dong! The Witch is Dead!
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

404 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:22:36pm

re: #389 Amory Blaine

Locking people up for pot has done tremendous harm to our country.

Egregious example here: Tyrone Brown

405 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:22:36pm

re: #401 darthstar

What does a "Knowledgeable teapartier" look like? Do they exist?

They live with Big Foot and the chucacabra

406 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:22:54pm

re: #385 Decatur Deb

You had crayons? We used blueberry juice and the blood of mice.

You had mice? We had to use the juice from crushed cockroaches. And we didn't have any paper, we had to write the results on our knees with pen tips that we made out of tree bark.

407 Gus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:23:00pm

So far it looks to be going as expected.

408 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:23:25pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Oh get off of your self-righteous ass.

Walter, what's your problem? Did I offend some sensibility of yours? One that ordinarily tells you that it's not customarily nice to insult people?

What I said about ganging up is not a joke, is it?

409 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:23:28pm

re: #384 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Look, whoever you are. I don't have any demons, at least not any that you are apparently alluding to. I've lived a good life and I'm in my sixties and in great health: no chronic pains or medical conditions, almost never sick from anything, no arthritis, headaches, etc. What people do with their own lives is what they do.

But when people bandwagon pot as some miracle cure-all, it's really going a bit far. And I'm well aware that there are kinds of pain that it can reduce, and I'm certainly not against that. It's not my doing that tobacco and alcohol or legal or illegal, I've used all three and have no addictions to any, but that doesn't mean that millions of people do themselves significant and occasionally lethal harm from each. And yes, the vast majority of the harm comes from tobacco and alcohol.

So if a drug causes sudden heart attack deaths in only one of 100 thousand users, should we just consider that the cost of business, if the benefits of the drug are relatively benign, and not for end-of-life reasons?

For a forum that is supposedly about tolerance and working together, occasionally this one gets run over by the supporters of pet causes of various kinds. And getting ganged up upon for having opinions is not new to me or many other people here. But why?

You have some fair points to make.
But from my personal life experiences with family members... alcohol was devastating. My Mother's side of the family was just awful for the most part, and it took such a toll that Mom went full-blown Evangelical which brought about many additional issues for myself and siblings.

Bottom line, let's have adult discussions about usage and revisit laws that I think are not correct or fair.

410 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:23:29pm

re: #406 Alouette

You had mice? We had to use the juice from crushed cockroaches. And we didn't have any paper, we had to write the results on our knees with pen tips that we made out of tree bark.

luxury that.................

411 Timmeh  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:23:43pm

re: #402 Winny Spencer

Christine O'Donnell on twitter:

"Join us at tonight's victory party. I'm looking forward to personally thanking many."

I'm Chris Coons would like to thank her too. He couldn't have done it without her!

412 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:23:48pm

re: #402 Winny Spencer

Christine O'Donnell on twitter:

"Join us at tonight's victory party. I'm looking forward to personally thanking many."

What a great sport! Throwing a party for Chris Coons. Or did she have so few RSVPs she can actually invite the entire twittersphere to her party and if .001% of them show, she can open the tray of pinwheel sandwiches she bought today at Costco?

413 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:24:39pm

re: #405 PT Barnum

They live with Big Foot and the chucacabra

Chucacabra is real! Don't mess with chucacabra!

414 Basho  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:24:43pm

re: #314 researchok

Yeah. What does Nate Silver know?

He's not immune to sampling bias.

415 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:24:52pm

re: #384 really grumpy big dog Johnson

So if a drug causes sudden heart attack deaths in only one of 100 thousand users, should we just consider that the cost of business, if the benefits of the drug are relatively benign, and not for end-of-life reasons?

For a forum that is supposedly about tolerance and working together, occasionally this one gets run over by the supporters of pet causes of various kinds. And getting ganged up upon for having opinions is not new to me or many other people here. But why?

A very low probability of death due to a substance isn't a good reason to ban its use, in my opinion. It would warrant, IMO, the publication of fair warning that such a consequence is possible with use. After all, a few older men died after taking viagra, but that didn't stop its production nor retail sale.

That said, this last post of yours is thoughtful and well-stated. Previous posts were less so. Often when a post comes across as aggressive or ignorant, the immediate reaction is to respond in kind. Telling you to deal with your own demons *was* presumptuous of me, admittedly.

Please stick around LGF and continue to promote and defend your views.

416 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:25:16pm

re: #408 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Walter, what's your problem? Did I offend some sensibility of yours? One that ordinarily tells you that it's not customarily nice to insult people?

What I said about ganging up is not a joke, is it?

Really... "I'm not so pathetically inclined." that's not an insult? Bite me.

417 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:25:18pm

re: #404 Amory Blaine

Egregious example here: Tyrone Brown

That's more horrific than 19 years for stealing a loaf of bred....

418 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:25:30pm

re: #406 Alouette

You had mice? We had to use the juice from crushed cockroaches. And we didn't have any paper, we had to write the results on our knees with pen tips that we made out of tree bark.

The mice were Sunday dinner. We stole art material from the kitchen counter with our asbestos napkins.

419 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:25:34pm

re: #414 Basho

He's not immune to sampling bias.

No, he isn't.

I just respect his track record.

420 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:25:39pm

re: #353 Ericus58

Oh my goodness!
I just found a nice fresh pumpkin pie on the kitchen counter my Darling picked up today... it's just sitting there, oh so patiently waiting for me later to fork the wondrous morsels (with a dollop of whip cream) into my yawning gob.

My toes are doing a dance.

On that note, Edy's pumpkin ice cream is pretty good...it's like pumpkin pie without the crust,

421 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:25:55pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

Really... "I'm not so pathetically inclined." that's not an insult? Bite me.

I was referring to the overuse of marijuana, smart guy.

422 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:26:06pm

re: #401 darthstar

What does a "Knowledgeable teapartier" look like? Do they exist?

Knowledgeable teabags are capable of reciting 10 insane talking points, 3 thinly veiled racist slurs and 2 bits of anti-science in a row, before being reduced to screaming Nazi, Socialist, or Marxist when challenged.

Average teabags get three or four talking points off before screaming socialist, STAN! or whatever.

Dumb by teabag standards is is someone who insists that there is a separation of church and state in this nation, that evolution happened, that AGW is real and that even though no-one likes paying taxes, having things like roads, a functioning military, education and scientific research are good thhings.

423 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:26:16pm

The problem isn't with the dem candidates, the problem is with their policies. NJ, VA, and the Kennedy seat loss a year ago should have put up big warning flags. Instead they continued with the stupidity and then blamed the voters for not knowing what was good for them. This beating was well earned.

424 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:26:53pm

MSNBC projects Dems retain the Connecticut senate seat against Linda Mcmahon

425 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:27:20pm

re: #421 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I was referring to the overuse of marijuana, smart guy.

Can we move onto real questions?

Do you feel Marijuana is more dangerous than Beer?

426 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:27:26pm

re: #424 wozzablog

MSNBC projects Dems retain the Connecticut senate seat against Linda Mcmahon

Boo. The theocrats win another one.

427 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:27:44pm

re: #424 wozzablog

MSNBC projects Dems retain the Connecticut senate seat against Linda Mcmahon

Go to bed... it will all be on BBC4 in the morning :)

428 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:27:49pm

re: #373 Merryweather

Because polls consistently showed Meek trailing both, and behind Crist by double digits. If he'd dropped out, his supporters could've easily made up the difference between Crist and Rubio.

This is what I mean by it should be illegal to do polling data. And it should also be illegal to call races on the east coast when the west coast isn't finished voting. It's terribly influential.

Meek is my Congressman. He's an awesome politician. I know the man personally. Crist became a very unpopular governor with a 30% approval rating. If he hadn't ran, Meek most certainly could have won.

429 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:27:49pm

I wonder what brand of champagne they're drinking tonight at John Birch Society headquarters?

They really are the comeback story of the last two years. Not long ago, associations with the Birchers would have been the political kiss of death. Now they're everywhere in the GOP.

The resurrection of the John Birch Society is one measure of the extremist takeover of the GOP.

430 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:27:54pm

re: #423 RogueOne

The problem isn't with the dem candidates, the problem is with their policies. NJ, VA, and the Kennedy seat loss a year ago should have put up big warning flags. Instead they continued with the stupidity and then blamed the voters for not knowing what was good for them. This beating was well earned.

Policies like what?

Care to name some?

431 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:28:15pm

re: #349 LudwigVanQuixote


Worse yet though, is the reflection that this election is on America. The supposed good guys, the Dems, yet again never started fighting or getting organized months ago, when they were in a street fight since the last election. To say they were spineless and anemic would be an understatement. To say they simply could not bring themselves to stand in any unified way against a very well organized propaganda campaign, and that they were too arrogant and stupid to try to fight it, is more close.

I know this makes me unpopular here, but I'll say it again. This is where Hillary would have been superior to Obama. She wouldn't have wasted time on impossible dreams of bipartisanship, or sat back as she was getting mercilessly drilled. Nor would she have let the rest of her party make the same mistake of waiting til the last minute to fight back.

432 Gus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:28:23pm

Democrat Manchin starts off well ahead in West Virginia. This is replace Robert Byrd's seat. 55-42

433 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:28:46pm

re: #376 researchok

There is a reason Disneyworld is in Florida.

FL politics has been a great spectator sport for a long time.

By the way, how did the Miami/Cuban vote play out?

I'm sure for Rubio. Some of my friends (middle age types) are migrating to the Democrat party, but most of my Cuban friends are still Republicans.

434 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:28:49pm

re: #423 RogueOne

The problem isn't with the dem candidates, the problem is with their policies. NJ, VA, and the Kennedy seat loss a year ago should have put up big warning flags. Instead they continued with the stupidity and then blamed the voters for not knowing what was good for them. This beating was well earned.

I hope you are pacing yourself with these kinds of posts tonight...would hate for you to blow your wad before 8:30.

435 Basho  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:28:58pm

re: #424 wozzablog

MSNBC projects Dems retain the Connecticut senate seat against Linda Mcmahon

BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

436 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:29:05pm

re: #425 jamesfirecat

Can we move onto real questions?

Do you feel Marijuana is more dangerous than Beer?

If you drop your beer while driving, you get a wet lap. If you drop a joint, you can singe your testicles...yow! It's also advisable to drive with clothes on while smoking a joint...just speaking from experience here. Please pass this message on to your driving-age children.

437 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:29:29pm

re: #427 Walter L. Newton

Go to bed... it will all be on BBC4 in the morning :)

BBC4 only runs between 19:00 and and about 03:00

BBC News 24 doesn't exist anymore it's just called "the BBC News Channel"........... It's a veritable telegenic turmoil.

438 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:29:38pm

re: #429 Charles

I wonder what brand of champagne they're drinking tonight at John Birch Society headquarters?

Probably "California sparkling wine" rather than that French stuff.

439 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:30:02pm

re: #431 palomino

You are correct. Hillary knows the rewards of bipartisanship the GOP gives.

440 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:30:10pm

re: #423 RogueOne

The problem isn't with the dem candidates, the problem is with their policies. NJ, VA, and the Kennedy seat loss a year ago should have put up big warning flags. Instead they continued with the stupidity and then blamed the voters for not knowing what was good for them. This beating was well earned.

Except that in all three cases, it had everything to do with lousy Dem candidates, and nothing to do with Dem policies - as all the polls at the time showed. Corzine was a terrible governor, Deeds ran to the right and away from Obama, and Scott Brown won because the MA Dem establishment was arrogant/complacent and so was Coakley.

441 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:30:14pm

re: #438 wrenchwench

Probably "California sparkling wine" rather than that French stuff.

Hey...don't knock our sparkling wines. We have some very fine bubbly in this state.

442 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:30:22pm

re: #430 jamesfirecat

Policies like what?

Care to name some?

Go through the list and find one that's popular. You would have thought that after running in '06 and '08 on how bad the bush deficits were that they might have taken the hint that the nation wasn't in the mood for the feds continually engorging themselves on u.s. taxpayers.

443 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:30:26pm

A sane voice among the crazy...

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rejected numerous polls predicting a Republican landslide among House candidates and defiantly predicted tonight that Democrats will retain control of the House of Representatives."

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

444 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:30:35pm

re: #425 jamesfirecat

Can we move onto real questions?

Do you feel Marijuana is more dangerous than Beer?

I do feel that irrelevant questions like yours have been floating around since at least the sixties, and have been stale for a very long time. The two are not the same thing. I wasn't talking about the legalization of alcohol, it's already legal.

And for those who asked about my opinion regarding tobacco, the same applies.

Deflection is not a very good tactic for dealing with a specific issue. That's my opinion. But it's easy to find supporters for the tactic, anywhere, anytime.

445 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:30:52pm

OK all, I can feel the unhappiness of certain posters here. I wish to remind you that all is going according to the plans of Remulak.

Do you remember Japan. It took nearly bringing their entire civilization down around their ears to get them to see things differently.

The Zionist Overlords of Remulak, have decided that it is best to give you stupid humans what you really want. When your teabag congress makes your lives miserable and you realize how you did it to yourselves, you will love us when we take over and start cleaning up your messes. It won't even bother you that we take your most attractive women away to Remulak to live lives of luxury and hyper dimensional sexual gratification .

446 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:30:54pm

MSNBC - GOP takes Louisiana senate seat.

447 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:31:03pm

re: #434 bratwurst

I hope you are pacing yourself with these kinds of posts tonight...would hate for you to blow your wad before 8:30.

I know to some tonight might be coming as a bit of a shock. You're not that young but you'll probably adjust.//

448 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:31:15pm

re: #441 darthstar

Hey...don't knock our sparkling wines. We have some very fine bubbly in this state.

Tastes great--but don't call it Champagne™!

449 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:31:16pm

re: #429 Charles

I wonder what brand of champagne they're drinking tonight at John Birch Society headquarters?

They really are the comeback story of the last two years. Not long ago, associations with the Birchers would have been the political kiss of death. Now they're everywhere in the GOP.

The resurrection of the John Birch Society is one measure of the extremist takeover of the GOP.

Only Pure Grain Alcohol...


Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation Mandrake? Fluoridation of water?

450 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:31:20pm

re: #429 Charles

I wonder what brand of champagne they're drinking tonight at John Birch Society headquarters?

They really are the comeback story of the last two years. Not long ago, associations with the Birchers would have been the political kiss of death. Now they're everywhere in the GOP.

The resurrection of the John Birch Society is one measure of the extremist takeover of the GOP.

They don't strike me as a savvy bunch. Probably Korbel Brut.

451 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:31:21pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter,

Did they teach you the meet and greet at that new job you have?


re: #290 zackbagen

That was a metaphor. This is a simile: EmmmieG is as humorless as a bag of dead squirrels.

Fuck off troll.

re: #309 sizzleRI

I'm in! I'm in! This is so exciting. The page is colorful with a registration. Anyway, hi everyone, I've been reading since fall of 2009 and am thrilled to be registered. Looks to be an exciting night and brings back memories of election night 1994 when my mother cried and stole an Oliver North sign that someone had attached a traitor banner too. Good times.

Stop gushing.

re: #384 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Oh get off of your self-righteous ass.

452 rwmofo  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:31:39pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

A sane voice among the crazy...

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rejected numerous polls predicting a Republican landslide among House candidates and defiantly predicted tonight that Democrats will retain control of the House of Representatives."

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I blame the botox.

453 redbird250  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:31:50pm

White house and Senate...
As Meatloaf said, 2 out of 3 ain't bad...

454 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:02pm

re: #451 ozbloke

Hey Walter,

Did they teach you the meet and greet at that new job you have?

"Welcome to Costco, I hate you".

455 Gus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:03pm

re: #446 wozzablog

MSNBC - GOP takes retains Louisiana senate seat.

FTFY

456 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:07pm

Amazing how many more people register when I mention it on the front page. We sure have a lot of lurking new users here - step forward and introduce yourselves!

457 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:17pm

re: #398 PT Barnum

It's been damn near 30 years since I last used pot. I sometimes think..man if they made it legal, I could actually go for a joint once in a while, but then I remember how wasted and stupid it made me and rethink the whole thing, though I understand cannabis indica is a much different high than cannabis sativa.

When I smoked, it either came from Mexico or California, or from my brother's friend's back yard.

I picked up a High Times a few years ago and was kinda surprised at all the different types! Sounded creative.

458 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:24pm

re: #445 LudwigVanQuixote

OK all, I can feel the unhappiness of certain posters here. I wish to remind you that all is going according to the plans of Remulak.

Do you remember Japan. It took nearly bringing their entire civilization down around their ears to get them to see things differently.

The Zionist Overlords of Remulak, have decided that it is best to give you stupid humans what you really want. When your teabag congress makes your lives miserable and you realize how you did it to yourselves, you will love us when we take over and start cleaning up your messes. It won't even bother you that we take your most attractive women away to Remulak to live lives of luxury and hyper dimensional sexual gratification .

You are in fine form tonight, LVQ.

459 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:30pm

re: #397 thedopefishlives

Q: Why doesn't Kentucky fall into the Gulf of Mexico?
A: BECAUSE INDIANA SUCKS!

/Nyuk nyuk nyuk

Texans love to say the same thing about Oklahoma. Problem is, in reality they both suck. As a native texan I've earned the right to say that.

460 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:45pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

A sane voice among the crazy...

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rejected numerous polls predicting a Republican landslide among House candidates and defiantly predicted tonight that Democrats will retain control of the House of Representatives."

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

That's my fault. I spiked her water at the World Series last week. Such a sweet lady, I couldn't resist. Seriously...if you met Ms. Pelosi, you'd love her.

461 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:51pm

re: #429 Charles

I wonder what brand of champagne they're drinking tonight at John Birch Society headquarters?

They really are the comeback story of the last two years. Not long ago, associations with the Birchers would have been the political kiss of death. Now they're everywhere in the GOP.

The resurrection of the John Birch Society is one measure of the extremist takeover of the GOP.

Again, the idea that they could be respectable by anyone is proof of how far this nation has sunk. Or perhaps we never got out of being sunk that low, but no adults are left anymore to stem their tide properly.

462 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:32:51pm

re: #442 RogueOne

Go through the list and find one that's popular. You would have thought that after running in '06 and '08 on how bad the bush deficits were that they might have taken the hint that the nation wasn't in the mood for the feds continually engorging themselves on u.s. taxpayers.

What's popular !=what's right for the nation

463 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:33:06pm

re: #451 ozbloke

Hey Walter,

Did they teach you the meet and greet at that new job you have?

Yep... and this ain't my job. This is sport. Like the locker room. Got it brother?

464 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:33:11pm

re: #455 Gus 802

FTFY

As a prime wrecker of the Public Option - Blanche Lincoln may as well have been.

465 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:33:12pm

re: #399 RogueOne

Boo! No need to be rude, butthole./

You're right. I'm sorry, dickhead./

466 Winny Spencer  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:04pm

So, West Virginia, Illinois and Pennsylvania coming up. Three tight races that could go either way.

467 rwmofo  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:15pm

re: #457 marjoriemoon

When I smoked, it either came from Mexico or California, or from my brother's friend's back yard.

I picked up a High Times a few years ago and was kinda surprised at all the different types! Sounded creative.

Dude, I used to ummm, well I don't remember that much but we had a blast!

468 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:17pm

re: #461 LudwigVanQuixote

Again, the idea that they could be respectable by anyone is proof of how far this nation has sunk. Or perhaps we never got out of being sunk that low, but no adults are left anymore to stem their tide properly.

There were 215,000 of us on the Mall Saturday. Over 215,000 damn kids on my lawn.

469 researchok  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:22pm

re: #429 Charles

I wonder what brand of champagne they're drinking tonight at John Birch Society headquarters?

They really are the comeback story of the last two years. Not long ago, associations with the Birchers would have been the political kiss of death. Now they're everywhere in the GOP.

The resurrection of the John Birch Society is one measure of the extremist takeover of the GOP.

They are drinking whatever bubbly is on sale.

It isn't as if the Birchers ever had a whole lot of respect for voters.

470 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:23pm

re: #439 Amory Blaine

You are correct. Hillary knows the rewards of bipartisanship the GOP gives.

She does--more than your post would let on. As Senator, she was known for working with Republicans to get legislation passed--couldn't say the same for Obama.

471 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:24pm

re: #465 palomino

You're right. I'm sorry, dickhead./

*chuckles*

472 Gus  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:32pm

re: #464 wozzablog

As a prime wrecker of the Public Option - Blanche Lincoln may as well have been.

Oh. That's Arkansas not Louisiana. You said Louisiana which would mean "Diaper Boy" Vitter.

473 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:39pm

re: #446 wozzablog

MSNBC - GOP takes Louisiana senate seat.

Crap - meant Arkansas.

474 darthstar  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:40pm

Hey Charles, has Andrew Breitbart registered here tonight to provide his reasoned election analysis (emphasis on anal)?

475 Winny Spencer  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:48pm

re: #466 Winny Spencer

And Manchin wins WV.

476 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:51pm

re: #451 ozbloke

Hey Walter,

Did they teach you the meet and greet at that new job you have?

Are you really from Au? The fact that you even ask that question makes me suspect?

477 b_snark  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:34:57pm

So, friends.

How is the election going?

478 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:35:07pm

So now the official word is that having an opinion about a political issue in California that doesn't match the reader's own tags you as self-righteous, and most certainly wrong?

I'll continue to express my opinions, whether or not the majority finds them appropriately lockstep with their own attitudes.

I can goosestep, if you'd like...

479 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:35:07pm

MSNBC - West Virgina is still to be Democratic.

480 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:35:15pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

A sane voice among the crazy...

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rejected numerous polls predicting a Republican landslide among House candidates and defiantly predicted tonight that Democrats will retain control of the House of Representatives."

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

You missed your sarc tag, perhaps?

481 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:35:21pm

re: #462 jamesfirecat

What's popular !=what's right for the nation

What's popular, or unpopular, is what elections are all about. Somehow they figured the real problem with the bush deficit was that it just wasn't big enough. How they got that idea into their heads and how they managed to keep it after all the signs that this was coming for a year now is the real mystery. The problem isn't stupid voters, the problem is stupid politicos.

482 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:35:53pm

re: #480 BryanS

You missed your sarc tag, perhaps?

You figure it out?

483 jaunte  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:36:04pm

re: #477 b_sharp

The Koch brothers are going to bring us all Prosperity.

484 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:36:07pm

re: #432 Gus 802

Democrat Manchin starts off well ahead in West Virginia. This is replace Robert Byrd's seat. 55-42

I'll believe that when I see it. WV has gotten really red, Byrd only held on because he was an institution.

485 Timmeh  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:36:12pm

re: #404 Amory Blaine

Egregious example here: Tyrone Brown

Un-freaking-believable. Especially when you read what the same judge allowed a white man to get away with.

486 rwmofo  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:36:12pm

re: #459 palomino

Texans love to say the same thing about Oklahoma. Problem is, in reality they both suck. As a native texan I've earned the right to say that.

I've been in TX seven years. Seems like a lot of chicks here went to OK to get their, umm, well gravity affects them differently now.

487 Radical Rafe  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:36:34pm
No matter what happens, this will go down as the Election of the Disappearing GOP Candidates.

I just don't think so.

488 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:36:49pm

re: #481 RogueOne

What's popular, or unpopular, is what elections are all about. Somehow they figured the real problem with the bush deficit was that it just wasn't big enough. How they got that idea into their heads and how they managed to keep it after all the signs that this was coming for a year now is the real mystery. The problem isn't stupid voters, the problem is stupid politicos.

I certainly voted to make a statement today. I doubt that it will do any good whatsoever, but if I can't vote the way I feel, then there's not much sense in voting at all.

489 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:37:05pm

re: #473 wozzablog

Crap - meant Arkansas.

We all know what vote cost her the election but people will still pretend that it's something else. It's bush's fault.

490 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:37:10pm

re: #483 jaunte

The Koch brothers are going to bring us all Prosperity.

I've never seen a poor person bring anyone prosperity. When was the last time you were hired for a job by a poor person?

491 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:37:35pm

re: #486 rwmofo

I've been in TX seven years. Seems like a lot of chicks here went to OK to get their, umm, well gravity affects them differently now.

Speaking of gravity, I got to explain to a bunch of middle-schoolers how space toilets work today.

Good times.

492 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:37:45pm

re: #446 wozzablog

MSNBC - GOP takes Louisiana senate seat.

After the way the GOP licked the boots of BP, anyone from La. who votes for them deserves nothing but scorn.

493 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:37:51pm

re: #478 really grumpy big dog Johnson

So now the official word is that having an opinion about a political issue in California that doesn't match the reader's own tags you as self-righteous, and most certainly wrong?

I'll continue to express my opinions, whether or not the majority finds them appropriately lockstep with their own attitudes.

I can goosestep, if you'd like...

Relax. Read up to my post at #415. Goose stepping completely not necessary. Sense of humor? Definitely.

494 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:37:56pm

re: #478 really grumpy big dog Johnson

So now the official word is that having an opinion about a political issue in California that doesn't match the reader's own tags you as self-righteous, and most certainly wrong?

I'll continue to express my opinions, whether or not the majority finds them appropriately lockstep with their own attitudes.

I can goosestep, if you'd like...

I'd rather you just explained yourself.

Do you think Pot is more dangerous than beer?

495 jaunte  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:38:03pm

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

Cliched, Walter.

496 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:38:22pm

re: #489 RogueOne

We all know what vote cost her the election but people will still pretend that it's something else. It's bush's fault.

The base hated her for it - a more united democratic party in Arkansas could have held that seat.

497 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:38:26pm

New thread posted - this one's starting to get full.

498 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:38:39pm

re: #482 Walter L. Newton

You figure it out?

nope...why is Pelosi predicting a Dem victory an example of sanity?

499 zackbagen  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:38:50pm

re: #456 Charles

Greetings from TN where I don't see much of a challenge to Coen's House seat.

500 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:38:58pm

re: #494 jamesfirecat

I'd rather you just explained yourself.

Do you think Pot is more dangerous than beer?

It depends. Do you think that intravenous use of pot is more dangerous than beer?

501 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:39:08pm

re: #446 wozzablog

MSNBC - GOP takes Louisiana senate seat.

Vitter, that diaper wearing whoremonger, wins easily. So can someone explain to me when family values matter and when they don't?

502 Basho  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:39:10pm

re: #384 really grumpy big dog Johnson


But when people bandwagon pot as some miracle cure-all, it's really going a bit far.

Trying to reason with potheads on the internet is an invitation for written assault.

503 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:39:12pm

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

Yep... and this ain't my job. This is sport. Like the locker room. Got it brother?

If you ever came to Australia, I would have no problem hiring you for my meet and greets, your classic.

504 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:39:18pm

*heading upstairs...

505 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:40:18pm

also headed upstairs

506 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:40:24pm

re: #429 Charles

I wonder what brand of champagne they're drinking tonight at John Birch Society headquarters?

They really are the comeback story of the last two years. Not long ago, associations with the Birchers would have been the political kiss of death. Now they're everywhere in the GOP.

The resurrection of the John Birch Society is one measure of the extremist takeover of the GOP.

And it pisses me off, for all of William F. Buckley's hard work has well and truly been swept under the rug by the TPers and the spineless, feckless GOP leadership.

The only saving grace of the possibility of the GOP making major gains tonight is that they'll most likely fuck it all up in time for the 2012 elections, where it really counts. In the interim, however, we're pretty much boned...

507 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:40:25pm

re: #500 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It depends. Do you think that intravenous use of pot is more dangerous than beer?

Who uses pot Intravenously?

I've never heard of anyone who does it that way, only smoking or "brownies" is this a common thing a lot of pot using people do?

508 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:40:26pm

Manchin wins in West Virginia - that's great news, as that makes it virtually impossible for the GOP to take the Senate. Boxer would have to lose now.

509 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:40:27pm

re: #503 ozbloke

If you ever came to Australia, I would have no problem hiring you for my meet and greets, your classic.

I'm a pussycat at the store... I'm an actor... makes it all like performance.

510 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:41:32pm

re: #508 Merryweather

Manchin wins in West Virginia - that's great news, as that makes it virtually impossible for the GOP to take the Senate. Boxer would have to lose now.

Not gonna happen when her state won the World Series last year.

Californians are in a good mood and that's good news for those who represent the Status Qou....

511 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:41:40pm

re: #510 jamesfirecat

Not gonna happen when her state won the World Series last year.

Californians are in a good mood and that's good news for those who represent the Status Qou...

LAST NIGHT!

512 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:41:54pm

re: #508 Merryweather

Manchin wins in West Virginia - that's great news, as that makes it virtually impossible for the GOP to take the Senate. Boxer would have to lose now.

I have my fingers crossed.

513 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:42:06pm

re: #476 Walter L. Newton

Are you really from Au? The fact that you even ask that question makes me suspect?

Yes, happy to provide you with any proof you would like, let me know your email.

I'm not sure why you are suspect.
Read some of my older posts, also most of my links come from abc.net.au

514 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:42:20pm

re: #508 Merryweather

Manchin wins in West Virginia - that's great news, as that makes it virtually impossible for the GOP to take the Senate. Boxer would have to lose now.

Manchin is far right of the Democrats... he even said he wouldn't caucus with the Dems.

515 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:42:28pm

re: #459 palomino

Texans love to say the same thing about Oklahoma. Problem is, in reality they both suck. As a native texan I've earned the right to say that.

You have my sympathies. I hope the game with the Kitties doesn't get too ugly...

516 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:42:29pm

re: #491 EmmmieG

Speaking of gravity, I got to explain to a bunch of middle-schoolers how space toilets work today.

Good times.

You show them how they used to work. They had a whirling blade about 6 inches below your junk to puree things so they could be stored in a tank. First time that stuff was supposed to hit the fan.

517 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:42:42pm

re: #470 BryanS

She does--more than your post would let on. As Senator, she was known for working with Republicans to get legislation passed--couldn't say the same for Obama.

Bullshit. Obama practically begged Snowe, Collins, Voinovich and other republicans to get on board several times. He made all sorts of overtures, including big changes to legislation. They led him on and then dropped out at the last second.

518 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:43:04pm

re: #468 Decatur Deb

There were 215,000 of us on the Mall Saturday. Over 215,000 damn kids on my lawn.

Yes indeed. There is also a whole state of Texas that has some small islands of civilization in it, but it is still Texas. Then there is the rest of the South and large potions of the Midwest and all the people of Kentucky who willfully voted for a man who hates civil rights, because the durn gubmint shouldn't interfere with the rights of racists to discriminate. Then there is Nevada - G-d help us.

America has a giant split between educated and utterly ignorant, and it is less and less along racial lines, but rather along the lines of the dumbest, most hateful, fearful and ignorant whites getting power. Their corporate masters throw them simple wedge issues to feel superior about as bones, while legislation that makes the rich richer, and the poor poorer gets passed - even to the obvious detriment of the deluded base.

519 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:43:14pm

re: #512 RogueOne

I have my fingers crossed.

Once again don't bet on it.

When people's home teams win big right before an election that does good things for a encumbents, because people are stupid/crazy like that.

A world series win less than 24 hours before polling?

That's got to be at least a 3 point boost in her favor...

520 Ericus58  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:43:31pm

re: #478 really grumpy big dog Johnson

So now the official word is that having an opinion about a political issue in California that doesn't match the reader's own tags you as self-righteous, and most certainly wrong?

I'll continue to express my opinions, whether or not the majority finds them appropriately lockstep with their own attitudes.

I can goosestep, if you'd like...

Throttle back, big rig.
I've tried to engage you in a discussion and you've not replied.
"Don't drive angry."

521 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:43:54pm

re: #500 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You must be related to Walter, are you hid idiot cousin Waldo?

522 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:44:02pm

re: #513 ozbloke

Yes, happy to provide you with any proof you would like, let me know your email.

I'm not sure why you are suspect.
Read some of my older posts, also most of my links come from abc.net.au

You can always click on my name... and... my comment was sarcasm... not meant to be serious...

523 b_snark  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:44:04pm

re: #483 jaunte

The Koch brothers are going to bring us all Prosperity.

That's good to hear. When that happens I'll move down there.

524 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:44:26pm

re: #478 really grumpy big dog Johnson

So now the official word is that having an opinion about a political issue in California that doesn't match the reader's own tags you as self-righteous, and most certainly wrong?

I'll continue to express my opinions, whether or not the majority finds them appropriately lockstep with their own attitudes.

I can goosestep, if you'd like...

No one is asking you to change your opinion. You're entitled to it, even if you're wrong :>

I know people like to put more weight behind what they feel about drug taking. I don't think it's right only because people tend to use it as a crutch for dealing with their problems. But socially, who cares. And if you're a true blooded conservative, you really shouldn't care (less gov and all that). It takes oodles of money to keep it illegal and prosecute those who are social users.

Anyway, AZ has medical marijuana on the ballot. I think other states too.

It's just the beginning....

mwwhhaaa

525 ozbloke  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:44:46pm

re: #509 Walter L. Newton

I'm a pussycat at the store... I'm an actor... makes it all like performance.

You are very entertaining.

526 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:45:02pm

re: #518 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't mourn, organize.

527 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:45:12pm

re: #521 Reginald Perrin

You must be related to Walter, are you hid idiot cousin Waldo?

I got this Ipod Touch last month, and I would love to develop an app... a silly thing that would just pop up on your Touch or Iphone or Ipad, randomly, and let loose with some bitching... with no purpose, no reason, no theme, nothing that makes much sense, just some ugly avatar, and it interrupts what ever is happening on the Apple device and bitches... I want to call it the Reginald Perrin app

528 Basho  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:45:18pm

re: #518 LudwigVanQuixote

Well said.

529 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:45:26pm

re: #500 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It depends. Do you think that intravenous use of pot is more dangerous than beer?

Now there's a trick I'd like to see!

530 Cheechako  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:46:38pm

re: #368 EmmmieG

170? What state is this? I didn't know we had 170 parties.

Alaska. Some dumb talk radio goofus suggested anyone could sign up to be a write-in candidate for Senator and about 170 did. Fortunately they were not on the ballot. A voter could ask for a list at the polls if they wanted one.

531 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:46:50pm

re: #520 Ericus58

Throttle back, big rig.
I've tried to engage you in a discussion and you've not replied.
"Don't drive angry."

The first question you asked me was about alcohol. I've been inundated with questions about tobacco and alcohol for expressing an opinion about the legalization of marijuana.

Excuse me, but I just don't get it.

532 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:47:36pm

re: #531 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The first question you asked me was about alcohol. I've been inundated with questions about tobacco and alcohol for expressing an opinion about the legalization of marijuana.

Excuse me, but I just don't get it.

Its because if we allow pot to be illegal while keeping beer and tobacco legal while they are just as dangerous then on what grounds can you argue for keeping pot illegal?

533 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:47:52pm

re: #529 marjoriemoon

Now there's a trick I'd like to see!

Don't think that it can't be done. If you can think of it...

534 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:48:13pm

re: #517 palomino

Bullshit. Obama practically begged Snowe, Collins, Voinovich and other republicans to get on board several times. He made all sorts of overtures, including big changes to legislation. They led him on and then dropped out at the last second.

Yeah...cause Snowe and Collins are hyper partisan extremists. Sure. Keep believing that. They dropped out because the Dems cut them off. Hate to burst your bubble but the more conservative Dems were why the Senate had such a hard time. Did you forget that already? Or are you just being reflexively partisan/Obama fanboy-ist? Really--Hillary is a hyperpartisan and Obama is not according to you?

535 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:48:19pm

re: #532 jamesfirecat

Its because if we allow pot to be illegal while keeping beer and tobacco legal while they are just as dangerous then on what grounds can you argue for keeping pot illegal?

If you want to say you want to illegalize all three that's a non hypocritical position to take by the way... an incredibly unlikely one to occur but not hypocritical...

536 CarleeCork  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:48:34pm

re: #67 negativ
Another Texan here, voted straight D along with the hubby. I'm hoping for a new governor. ; )

537 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:48:37pm

re: #526 Decatur Deb

Don't mourn, organize.

Is your first name really Eugene? Oh, wait. That would be Debs.

538 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:48:43pm

re: #486 rwmofo

I've been in TX seven years. Seems like a lot of chicks here went to OK to get their, umm, well gravity affects them differently now.

Why go to OK for that?

Which part of Texas are you stuck in? I grew up in Houston, an absolute hellhole--a hideously ugly city with no zoning laws, horrible climate and the fattest people on the planet.

But hey, stuff there is cheap and the food's good.

539 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:49:54pm

re: #532 jamesfirecat

Its because if we allow pot to be illegal while keeping beer and tobacco legal while they are just as dangerous then on what grounds can you argue for keeping pot illegal?

Do you think intravenous use of beer is more dangerous than pot smoking?

540 Timmeh  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:50:18pm

Tight race in Indiana 2.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

This is one of the ones Ken Rudin said was one to watch:
Election Guide: How To Tell What's Happening

Conversely, in Indiana, if the Democrats can re-elect Baron Hill in the 9th Congressional District (a possibility but I don't think it will happen) or Joe Donnelly in the 2nd (a better possibility), then the GOP may just get a big night and not a tsunami.

541 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:50:32pm

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

That snark is getting a little old Wally, you have been doing that I Pod joke to death. It's time to either rehearse some new material or switch into drama queen mode.
Or you could tell everyone about your trip to Wally's World, for the 25th time.

542 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:50:53pm

re: #533 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Don't think that it can't be done. If you can think of it...

Liquid THC? I think they have that in pill form, plant form, but liquid? I'm guessing no.

543 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:50:55pm

re: #489 RogueOne

We all know what vote cost her the election but people will still pretend that it's something else. It's bush's fault.

Your meme is so tired. Who's blaming anything like that on Bush?

The recession and the wars get blamed on Bush because he was, you know, prez at the time they started.

544 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:52:01pm

re: #515 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You have my sympathies. I hope the game with the Kitties doesn't get too ugly...

wtf?

545 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:52:21pm

re: #539 marjoriemoon

Do you think intravenous use of beer is more dangerous than pot smoking?

I don't know, do a lot of people us beer intravenously?

///I guess we'd have to visit a hospital in Ireland to find out...

546 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:52:54pm

re: #541 Reginald Perrin

That snark is getting a little old Wally, you have been doing that I Pod joke to death. It's time to either rehearse some new material or switch into drama queen mode.
Or you could tell everyone about your trip to Wally's World, for the 25th time.

No... it's easy to clip and paste it... it's stock material for those not really worth the trouble of conversing with. Sort of a limp fish for the masses. I consider the cognitive levels of my audience and adjust all the time.

547 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:53:01pm

re: #533 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Don't think that it can't be done. If you can think of it...

As a matter of fact, it's the THC that's needed for medicinal marijuana. They tried removing the THC, which I suppose would make it like smoking hemp, and it had no benefit.

I think if they could have monkeyed around with the THC, they would have given it to people in pill form before trying to make it liquid, but as I understand it, it has to be smoked.

548 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:53:01pm

re: #533 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Don't think that it can't be done. If you can think of it...

But do people actually do it today?

Because if they don't why are we discussing a hypothetical?

549 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:53:32pm

re: #532 jamesfirecat

Its because if we allow pot to be illegal while keeping beer and tobacco legal while they are just as dangerous then on what grounds can you argue for keeping pot illegal?

And we go go in circles either way with this, such as the often-used suggestion that since tobacco and alcohol are so much worse than marijuana, why aren't they illegal?

Of course, everyone knows that alcohol and cigarettes were legal for hundreds or thousands of years before any prohibitions whatsoever were put on them. Marijuana hasn't been illegal all that long, but it's also been relatively unknown until the last half century in the USA.

I'm not some thumping shouter either way about pot. It's relatively irrelevant to me. Those who want my opinion are accomplishing zip, because I simply don't care much about it either way. But I don't see how the world suddenly becomes a better or wiser place if California makes it legal to buy like cigarettes.

Maybe we can buy bottles of meth like vitamins, too.

550 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:54:18pm

re: #549 really grumpy big dog Johnson

And we go go in circles either way with this, such as the often-used suggestion that since tobacco and alcohol are so much worse than marijuana, why aren't they illegal?

Of course, everyone knows that alcohol and cigarettes were legal for hundreds or thousands of years before any prohibitions whatsoever were put on them. Marijuana hasn't been illegal all that long, but it's also been relatively unknown until the last half century in the USA.

I'm not some thumping shouter either way about pot. It's relatively irrelevant to me. Those who want my opinion are accomplishing zip, because I simply don't care much about it either way. But I don't see how the world suddenly becomes a better or wiser place if California makes it legal to buy like cigarettes.

Maybe we can buy bottles of meth like vitamins, too.

I don't know. I'm sure there's a head somewhere that has proof it's in the bible.

551 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:54:22pm

re: #548 jamesfirecat

But do people actually do it today?

Because if they don't why are we discussing a hypothetical?

Because it's not a hypothetical. It's been done, trust me.

552 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:54:49pm

re: #549 really grumpy big dog Johnson

And we go go in circles either way with this, such as the often-used suggestion that since tobacco and alcohol are so much worse than marijuana, why aren't they illegal?

Of course, everyone knows that alcohol and cigarettes were legal for hundreds or thousands of years before any prohibitions whatsoever were put on them. Marijuana hasn't been illegal all that long, but it's also been relatively unknown until the last half century in the USA.

I'm not some thumping shouter either way about pot. It's relatively irrelevant to me. Those who want my opinion are accomplishing zip, because I simply don't care much about it either way. But I don't see how the world suddenly becomes a better or wiser place if California makes it legal to buy like cigarettes.

Maybe we can buy bottles of meth like vitamins, too.

I think calling Marijuana a schedule one drug is insane.

Can you at least agree with me on that?

553 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:55:10pm

re: #551 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Because it's not a hypothetical. It's been done, trust me.

Pot has been done intravenously? You sure you don't smoke?

554 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:55:19pm

re: #534 BryanS

Yeah...cause Snowe and Collins are hyper partisan extremists. Sure. Keep believing that. They dropped out because the Dems cut them off. Hate to burst your bubble but the more conservative Dems were why the Senate had such a hard time. Did you forget that already? Or are you just being reflexively partisan/Obama fanboy-ist? Really--Hillary is a hyperpartisan and Obama is not according to you?

No, Snowe and Collins are good little soldiers like you and the rest of your party. They don't ask questions or defy their leadership. They march in unison. Congrats, robot.

555 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:55:28pm

re: #546 Walter L. Newton

No... it's easy to clip and paste it... it's stock material for those not really worth the trouble of conversing with. Sort of a limp fish for the masses. I consider the cognitive levels of my audience and adjust all the time.

I am done feeding house trolls, say good night your buddy the dog. It fooled nobody.

556 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:56:56pm

re: #552 jamesfirecat

I think calling Marijuana a schedule one drug is insane.

Can you at least agree with me on that?

That's politics. As far as agreeing with you, I'm not sure what your point is. You apparently have assumed that I have taken some stand that is counter to your own. I'm not convinced that is true.

557 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:58:25pm

re: #556 really grumpy big dog Johnson

That's politics. As far as agreeing with you, I'm not sure what your point is. You apparently have assumed that I have taken some stand that is counter to your own. I'm not convinced that is true.

So you'd be with me on legalizing pot?

558 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:58:44pm

re: #554 palomino

No, Snowe and Collins are good little soldiers like you and the rest of your party. They don't ask questions or defy their leadership. They march in unison. Congrats, robot.

fail. your argument that Hillary CLinton is more partisan than Obama rests on claiming Obama was non-partisan because he failed to pull COllins and Snowe into his coalition?


Silly fanboy :)

559 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:59:52pm

re: #557 jamesfirecat

So you'd be with me on legalizing pot?

Pulled the lever--well, marked with marker--in Wisconsin for the medical marijuana initiative. Didn't even know it was on the ballot.

560 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:59:54pm

Article on the differences between smoking pot and a THC pill.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

561 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:00:10pm

re: #552 jamesfirecat

Give it up, you are being played.

562 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:01:07pm

re: #561 Reginald Perrin

Give it up, you are being played.

I wouldn't be a Democrat if I didn't stay in the game part past the point that I realized that.

563 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:02:18pm

re: #558 BryanS

fail. your argument that Hillary CLinton is more partisan than Obama rests on claiming Obama was non-partisan because he failed to pull COllins and Snowe into his coalition?

Silly fanboy :)

My argument was that Hillary knew the cold hard facts, and wouldn't have wasted as much time with a party that clearly was not going to cooperate.

But hey, bagger boy, if you need to put words in my mouth to have a discussion so be it.

564 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:02:20pm

re: #560 marjoriemoon

Article on the differences between smoking pot and a THC pill.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Personally, I don't care about using marijuana myself. I just don't see why it is illegal when we trust people with alcohol. Seems like a waste of law enforcement resources to go after marijuana use.

565 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:05:04pm

re: #563 palomino

My argument was that Hillary knew the cold hard facts, and wouldn't have wasted as much time with a party that clearly was not going to cooperate.

But hey, bagger boy, if you need to put words in my mouth to have a discussion so be it.

No need to put words in your mouth. You pounced on my statement that Hillary was more effective at bipartisanship than Obama was, and you could only cite his inability to get Collins and Snowe on board as a counter example. LOL--unthinking fanboy-ism at its finest.

566 Timmeh  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:07:02pm

re: #269 Merryweather

Just hearing Rich Iott, the GOP loon who dressed up as a Nazi for kicks, has lost. Some sanity is still alive and kicking in America.

Yep. CNN has called it.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

567 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:08:02pm

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

I sure that every Republican vote that was cast today was from a backwards bible thumping racist...

Exactly. I voted for a Republican for Senate (Portman, a non-TP guy who was a very good Representative a few years back), Democrat for Governor (Strickland), and Green for the House (because the incumbent and his challenger, the former Rep, both suck).

Does that make me a partial racist? Do I thump the Bible only two days a week?

Please, someone tell me what stereotype I fit. I so need to be pigeon-holed.

568 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:09:39pm

re: #562 jamesfirecat

I wouldn't be a Democrat if I didn't stay in the game part past the point that I realized that.

Repeat after me....

Please do not feed the trolls

There may be some well fed stalker trolls here later, mock them in the third person, laugh about their stupidity, but never ever feed them.

569 Timmeh  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:13:42pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

Manchin is far right of the Democrats... he even said he wouldn't caucus with the Dems.

Really? I already knew he was pro-coal (of course, it's West Virginia). Does that mean he would caucus with the republicans or just be an independent? How would that work with committee assignments?

570 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:18:38pm

re: #230 mas

I'm hoping that Kaisch beats Strickland - we need a new governor in Ohio.

I'm hoping the other way. Kasich is way too in bed with Wall Street types.

571 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:29:54pm

re: #383 Winny Spencer

That is such good news. What an unbelievable creep.

He never really stood a chance. He was more of a nominal candidate against Marcy Kaptur, who is fairly popular in her district.

Bleeping John Boehner. Probable Speaker of the House goes to campaign for that a-hole Iott. Damn, I hope the Ohio Legislature redistricts his a** into another district, where he at least would have to stay home and campaign.

572 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:39:58pm

re: #565 BryanS

No need to put words in your mouth. You pounced on my statement that Hillary was more effective at bipartisanship than Obama was, and you could only cite his inability to get Collins and Snowe on board as a counter example. LOL--unthinking fanboy-ism at its finest.

You're mixing apples and oranges and apparently unaware of the difference. BOTH Obama and Hillary worked in bipartisan fashion in the Senate. So what?

The presidency is completely different. I doubt if Hillary would have taken so much shit from the supposedly moderate members of the gop (an admittedly small group) before she said, "Screw them." Obama was always trying to court Snowe, Collins, Barasso, Brown, Voinovich and others, usually to no avail whatsoever. If I were an Obama fanboy, why would I be saying Hillary would be a better prez?

But you're doing an obedient job of parroting your Fox talking points. Way to go, teabaggy!

573 BryanS  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 6:43:06pm

re: #572 palomino

You're mixing apples and oranges and apparently unaware of the difference. BOTH Obama and Hillary worked in bipartisan fashion in the Senate. So what?

The presidency is completely different. I doubt if Hillary would have taken so much shit from the supposedly moderate members of the gop (an admittedly small group) before she said, "Screw them." Obama was always trying to court Snowe, Collins, Barasso, Brown, Voinovich and others, usually to no avail whatsoever. If I were an Obama fanboy, why would I be saying Hillary would be a better prez?

But you're doing an obedient job of parroting your Fox talking points. Way to go, teabaggy!

Unthinking person says unthinking things :) Right, calling Hillary bipartisan is a real Fox News talking point. What a toolish thing to say.

574 palomino  Tue, Nov 2, 2010 7:18:19pm

re: #573 BryanS

Unthinking person says unthinking things :) Right, calling Hillary bipartisan is a real Fox News talking point. What a toolish thing to say.

And douche/tea bagger doesn't respond to substance or know when to stop.

Your Fox talking point is the whole "obama is a dangerous hyperpartisan radical." But all you've got to back that up is gop obstructionism and something Hillary did, just like Obama, when a Senator.

Isn't this your big nite? First victory since 2004, shouldn't you celebrating with your fellow teabaggers?

575 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Nov 5, 2010 10:09:07am

re: #127 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I know someone quite well who has severe short term memory loss from chronic heavy marijuana use. You are barking up the wrong tree, because this person is functionally disabled. From smoking pot.

Full legalization is probably about as intelligent as full legalization of nicotine products and those containing ethanol. But since we live in a drugged up society, where a majority of adults are using more than one prescription drug (on top of whatever non-prescription ones), I don't hold out much hope.

I don't believe you.


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