Just One More Rush Limbaugh Racist Rant

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Andrew Sullivan notes that an anti-Obama rant currently posted at Rush Limbaugh’s site contains this lovely image:

A quote from the accompanying text:

This guy is an utter wrecking ball all by himself on the world stage to the point now of getting embarrassing. This presidency of Obama’s, it doesn’t take much to irritate the left. Try this: “Barack Obama’s presidency is graffiti on the walls of American history.” That’s what his administration is. No more than graffiti on the walls of American history. We have a juvenile delinquent for a president who has ruined so much public and private property, not even his gang is making much of an effort here to protect him. It’s an utter disaster.

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1 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:28:46pm

How many posts until we get "it's SATIRE, you idiots!"?????

2 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:29:19pm

Hey Rush...

Youtube Video
3 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:30:21pm

who did the photoshop?

5 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:31:47pm

This should make steam shoot out of the Shrieking Harpy's ears:

The Pamela Geller Automatic Rant Generator - Jeffrey Goldberg - National - The Atlantic

6 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:32:06pm

re: #3 brookly red

who did the photoshop?

OK nevermind... the photoshop was wrong, no contest.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:32:55pm

Fellow Lizards, here is a question about Limbaugh. In January I noticed this bit at the ADL site (and blogged about it here):

[Link: www.adl.org...]

Dear Mr. Limbaugh:

During your December 16 broadcast, in response to a caller's comments suggesting an international tribunal for Saddam Hussein rather than having the deposed dictator tried in his own country by his fellow Iraqis, you referred to the "failed" Nuremberg Trials, describing them as "an absolute joke, an absolute travesty."

I couldn't find more information about Limbaugh's dissing of the Nuremberg trials. Perhaps you know more?

8 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:33:44pm

That's some Koolaid they're drinking over there. Perhaps they can point to where Obama has done anything affect private property ownership towards the negative? There's not one thing there of course because it's all part of their imagination.

9 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:35:36pm

the right thinks obama is a communist, the left thinks he's a republican - the poor man can't catch a break

at the same time, his approval numbers have been closely tracking both reagan's and clinton's during the same points in their presidencies. doing even a little better, actually...

10 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:36:32pm

re: #5 Charles

Love it!

11 Kragar  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:37:05pm

Fat fucker mocks hunger in America

Media Matters Video

Kids going hungry? They can dumpster dive

LIMBAUGH: I think, you know what we're going to do here, we're going to start a feature on this program: "Where to find food." For young demographics, where to find food. Now that school is out, where to find food. We can have a daily feature on this. And this will take us all the way through the summer. Where to find food. And, of course, the first will be: "Try your house." It's a thing called the refrigerator. You probably already know about it. Try looking there. There are also things in what's called the kitchen of your house called cupboards. And in those cupboards, most likely you're going to find Ding-Dongs, Twinkies, Lays ridgy potato chips, all kinds of dip and maybe a can of corn that you don't want, but it will be there. If that doesn't work, try a Happy Meal at McDonald's. You know where McDonald's is. There's the Dollar Menu at McDonald's and if they don't have Chicken McNuggets, dial 911 and ask for Obama.

There's another place if none of these options work to find food; there's always the neighborhood dumpster. Now, you might find competition with homeless people there, but there are videos that have been produced to show you how to healthfully dine and how to dumpster dive and survive until school kicks back up in August. Can you imagine the benefit we would provide people?

A slimy shitstain of a human being.

12 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:39:46pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't think I can post the site here but some friends of mine have been buying food from angelfood ministries & it's not half bad...

13 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:39:52pm
14 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:39:54pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another fat fuck spreading that Republican brand of compassion fat fuck Republicans are famous for.

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:40:58pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What he should be doing is writing a "How To" on getting oxycontin illegally. You know what authors always say "Write what you know".

16 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:41:06pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fat fucker mocks hunger in America

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Kids going hungry? They can dumpster dive

A slimy shitstain of a human being.

What a POS.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:41:38pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fat fucker mocks hunger in America

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Kids going hungry? They can dumpster dive

A slimy shitstain of a human being.

Shitstain? More like a shitmountain.

Which reminds me - is this him?

Youtube Video
18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:45:39pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fat fucker mocks hunger in America

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Kids going hungry? They can dumpster dive

A slimy shitstain of a human being.

Gonna point that out everytime I hear someone defend him as "charitble." He's an awful prick and person. Seriously, saying that about anyone who is starving is messed up but starving kids. Rush really is a terrible person. I don't care what anyone says but he's a professional douchebag.

19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:47:07pm

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Fellow Lizards, here is a question about Limbaugh. In January I noticed this bit at the ADL site (and blogged about it here):

[Link: www.adl.org...]

I couldn't find more information about Limbaugh's dissing of the Nuremberg trials. Perhaps you know more?

I'm interested too in this if he said this. Weird, never would have thought Limbaugh would say something like that. Anyone with any knowledge understands that the Nuremburg Trials set a precedent and furthermore many of the high ranking Nazis never saw the light of day again,

20 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:47:41pm

Obama's School Lunch Program May Decrease Food Stamp Availability. I heard it on the news yesterday, and here's the article.

Nationwide, more than 41 million people receive food stamps, nearly half of them children. The number of recipients has increased 51 percent since the recession began in December 2007. The average monthly benefit is $133 a person, about $4.40 a day.

The Senate bill would save $2.2 billion over 10 years by eliminating an increase in benefits provided by the 2009 economic stimulus law. Food price inflation has been lower than expected, so the increase could be ended early, in November 2013, proponents say.

Ellen S. Teller of the Food Research and Action Center said the cuts “would increase poverty and could increase obesity because shoppers would try to stretch their dollars by buying cheaper, calorie-dense food that has low nutritional value.”

I'd say the righteous fat fucks are safe, but this degree of national hunger is a tragedy. What does the mouthpiece of the GOP suggest? Dumpster diving. (And who says the GOPs don't offer any real world solutions.)

21 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:48:19pm

limbaugh said he would leave the u.s. if HCR wasn't repealed in five years after it was passed

one of the best reasons for keeping it. i look forward to reminding rush of his promise

22 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:48:43pm

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rush, you're a real piece of work...and when I say "a real piece of work", I mean "a detestable, xenophobic, hateful piece of shit".

To think, I actually listened to and respected this sorry excuse for a human being for quite a few years...live and learn, I suppose.

23 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:48:57pm

re: #21 engineer dog

He can take his Viagra and waddle off somewhere else.

24 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:49:40pm

I'm getting a tiny hint that Limbaugh isn't liked around here.

25 Kragar  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:50:06pm

re: #20 theheat

Obama's School Lunch Program May Decrease Food Stamp Availability. I heard it on the news yesterday, and here's the article.


I'd say the righteous fat fucks are safe, but this degree of national hunger is a tragedy. What does the mouthpiece of the GOP suggest? Dumpster diving. (And who says the GOPs don't offer any real world solutions.)

See, now Rush says everyone is hungry at some point. Ever been on a diet? You're hungry all the time. But if you really want food, you can get food at the supermarket.

I'm not even mocking him. Those are actually his words.

26 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:50:37pm

re: #24 b_sharp

I'm getting a tiny hint that Limbaugh isn't liked around here.

Yeah, there's something in the air.

///

27 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:51:12pm

re: #24 b_sharp

I'm getting a tiny hint that Limbaugh isn't liked around here.


it would seem even less than Palin...

28 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:51:53pm

re: #26 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, there's something in the air.

///

You noticed it too did you. I was afraid I was the only one.

29 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:52:00pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

I'm interested too in this if he said this. Weird, never would have thought Limbaugh would say something like that. Anyone with any knowledge understands that the Nuremburg Trials set a precedent and furthermore many of the high ranking Nazis never saw the light of day again,

Since ADL sent the letter, I have no doubt that he said these words, though I would be interested to look at the context.

30 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:52:14pm

re: #24 b_sharp

I'm getting a tiny hint that Limbaugh isn't liked around here.

You ain't just whistling Dixie...sure, Rush still has some supporters here, but they tend to be the ones without the the good sense G-d gave them to pour piss out of a boot, even if the instructions were on the heel.

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:53:25pm

re: #27 brookly red

it would seem even less than Palin...

He's been around longer, and has said many stupider and uglier things for far greater profit.

32 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:53:43pm

re: #30 talon_262

You ain't just whistling Dixie...sure, Rush still has some supporters here, but they tend to be the ones without the the good sense G-d gave them to pour piss out of a boot, even if the instructions were on the heel.

Wouldn't know how to whistle Dixie if she came up and bit me on the nose.

33 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:54:18pm

re: #29 Sergey Romanov

Since ADL sent the letter, I have no doubt that he said these words, though I would be interested to look at the context.

Yeah I would too.

34 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:54:35pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

He's been around longer, and has said many stupider and uglier things for far greater profit.

He's much uglier on the inside than on the outside.

That says quite a bit.

35 darthstar  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:55:09pm

Great...now I'll be getting that image mailed to me repeatedly from family members who get it as a 'joke' email.

36 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:55:58pm

re: #35 darthstar

Lighten up, it's just satire.
/ugh

37 Kragar  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:57:16pm

I would like to thank Rush for contributing to my political awakening over the last few years. Without his commentary, I would never have seen the real problems facing America. Thank you Rush, for removing my blinders. I see now that the modern conservative movement is nothing but a bunch of lying, greed bigots who will gladly screw over their fellow citizens for a dime. Your ceaseless ignorance, lack of compassion, and just plain stupidity has done more than any speach Obama or Clinton could ever have accomplished. Thank you Rush, for opening my eyes to what a bunch of hypocritical bastards the Right Wingers really are. Your hard work has made me into the independent Democrat leaning voter I am today.

38 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:58:03pm

re: #5 Charles

This should make steam shoot out of the Shrieking Harpy's ears:

The Pamela Geller Automatic Rant Generator - Jeffrey Goldberg - National - The Atlantic

Brilliant!

39 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:58:29pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would like to thank Rush for contributing to my political awakening over the last few years. Without his commentary, I would never have seen the real problems facing America. Thank you Rush, for removing my blinders. I see now that the modern conservative movement is nothing but a bunch of lying, greed bigots who will gladly screw over their fellow citizens for a dime. Your ceaseless ignorance, lack of compassion, and just plain stupidity has done more than any speach Obama or Clinton could ever have accomplished. Thank you Rush, for opening my eyes to what a bunch of hypocritical bastards the Right Wingers really are. Your hard work has made me into the independent Democrat leaning voter I am today.

Dittos.

40 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 1:58:53pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

He's been around longer, and has said many stupider and uglier things for far greater profit.

I never really noticed him till I got laid off... I guess a lot of folks are sitting around with time to listen these days.

41 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:00:56pm

re: #22 talon_262

Just an addendum: one of these days, I wish the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society would tell Rush to shove his radiothon he does every year for them, but with as much as he supposedly raises, I doubt it.

42 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:01:20pm

re: #24 b_sharp

I'm getting a tiny hint that Limbaugh isn't liked around here.

oh how long i have looked forward to the day when he finally leaves the airwaves

43 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:01:24pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

I'm interested too in this if he said this. Weird, never would have thought Limbaugh would say something like that. Anyone with any knowledge understands that the Nuremburg Trials set a precedent and furthermore many of the high ranking Nazis never saw the light of day again,


I saw a rant about them today at The Volokh Conspiracy.

Which is to say that this guy is due less process than the genocidal maniacs that killed 10 million folks in Europe. Very plausible!

Yup. Hit that one on the head. He is a peasant of the Third World. His life means nothing. We should shoot him and move.
Nuremberg was one of the worst ideas FDR ever had (and that is saying A LOT). It was nothing more than victor’s justice masquerading as a legitimate, unbiased judicial trial. Churchill and Stalin were right, we should have just shot them in an alley when we found them. FDR just wanted to make a dog and pony show out of them. Stop holding up the Nuremberg show trials as some sort of international gold standard for “war crimes” because it simply was summary justice wrapped into a three act play.

I have not come across this particular kind of statement before, but I have noticed an awful lot of outright hatred for anything related to FDR in recent months from the right. Apparently, war crimes trials (or trials of any sort, I guess) are now an official BAD SOSHULIST IDEA in some areas now.

Also, the American thing to do is shoot third world people peasants in the head and move out.

Wow.

44 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:02:11pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Sounds like Rush was pretty wound up today...
Rush advances "Driving Miss Nancy" smear: Reid "made a special appointment for the rich Jewish guy, Chuck Schumer"

Rush: White House was "ordained" for Hillary Clinton "until the articulate black guy showed up and then everything fell apart"

"Rich Jewish guy." "Articulate black guy."

Fuck this disgusting piece of shit (with apologies to pieces of shit). This is now screaming bigotry, why the hell isn't it to the people who pay him and have the power to take his platform away?

I hold anyone who enables Limbaugh, whether by listening to him as a 'dittohead' or paying him to spout this bile, in equal contempt.

45 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:02:12pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

He's been around longer, and has said many stupider and uglier things for far greater profit.

he is the stupider and uglier things, too...

46 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:02:29pm

re: #32 b_sharp

Wouldn't know how to whistle Dixie if she came up and bit me on the nose.

my neighbor has a pitbull named Dixie... she is not the biting type though.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:03:03pm

re: #41 talon_262

Nah, if it helps people in need, I say keep taking the bastard's help.

48 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:03:18pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fat fucker mocks hunger in America

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Kids going hungry? They can dumpster dive

A slimy shitstain of a human being.

What can you say to someone like this? There are no words.

I work with an awesome organization called Feeding South Florida. I've talked about them before. They can make $1.00 worth of food feed 6 people. They're a food distributor for individual families, but also supply churches, soup kitchens, etc.

Imagine going hungry, right here, in the wealthiest country in the world. It hardly seems possible but it's true. The reasons are many. Job losses. Stagnant or declining wages. Escalating costs and high medical expenses. The fact is, 49 million Americans are at risk of hunger. That's one in six Americans, and many of them are children and the elderly.

Here's another fact that might shock you, 20% of all food produced in the United States goes to waste. And that's where Feeding South Florida comes in.

In South Florida, there are 800,000 people living in poverty. 300,000 are children. Many of them go to bed hungry. When's the last time that fat fuck went to be hungry. I hope he rots in hell.

49 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:04:25pm

re: #27 brookly red

it would seem even less than Palin...

He's 10x worse than Palin. He's been around much longer and he has far more influence. The GOP bows at his chubby little feet.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:04:33pm

re: #43 celticdragon

I saw a rant about them today at The Volokh Conspiracy.

I have not come across this particular kind of statement before, but I have noticed an awful lot of outright hatred for anything related to FDR in recent months from the right. Apparently, war crimes trials (or trials of any sort, I guess) are now an official BAD SOSHULIST IDEA in some areas now.

Also, the American thing to do is shoot third world people peasants in the head and move out.

Wow.

Wow is right. Just wow. The trials weren't flawless, nor could they have been flawless in principle, but they (and especially the MWC trial) were just to the accused as far as the difficult circumstances allowed.

51 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:04:33pm

re: #44 Merryweather

"Rich Jewish guy." "Articulate black guy."

Fuck this disgusting piece of shit (with apologies to pieces of shit). This is now screaming bigotry, why the hell isn't it to the people who pay him and have the power to take his platform away?

I hold anyone who enables Limbaugh, whether by listening to him as a 'dittohead' or paying him to spout this bile, in equal contempt.

well you make a good point... but the fact is he owns the operation so it's not like he can get fired.

52 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:05:01pm

re: #48 marjoriemoon

As a former beneficiary of Seattle food banks, I thank you.
*smmoooch*

53 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:05:03pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah, if it helps people in need, I say keep taking the bastard's help.

He's using charitable works to wash his hands.

At what point does dirty money become unacceptable?

54 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:06:55pm

re: #48 marjoriemoon

What can you say to someone like this? There are no words.

I work with an awesome organization called Feeding South Florida. I've talked about them before. They can make $1.00 worth of food feed 6 people. They're a food distributor for individual families, but also supply churches, soup kitchens, etc.

In South Florida, there are 800,000 people living in poverty. 300,000 are children. Many of them go to bed hungry. When's the last time that fat fuck went to be hungry. I hope he rots in hell.

For the good of humanity, Limbaugh should never reproduce, but you, dear lady, should be cloned.

55 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:07:09pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

Wow is right. Just wow. The trials weren't flawless, nor could they have been flawless in principle, but they (and especially the MWC trial) were just to the accused as far as the difficult circumstances allowed.

These people are not conservative in any sense of the word. They are reactionary authoritarians. They worship power. Especially power wedded to violence.

56 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:07:11pm

Even Beck doesn't make my blood boil as much as Limbaugh does, because, as dangerous as his rhetoric is, there is the unintentional comedy element. I've never been able to just mock Limbaugh though. He doesn't just pander to people's worst instincts, he encourages them. People like him are a blight on mankind.

57 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:07:36pm

re: #54 b_sharp

For the good of humanity, Limbaugh should never reproduce, but you, dear lady, should be cloned.

lol Awww thanks!!

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:08:07pm

re: #53 b_sharp

I honestly could care less about his motives if it ultimately end up benefiting people who are battling cancer. They need all the help they can get.

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:09:50pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

And please note, I am not giving him a pat on the back, nor saying it makes him a "good guy".

60 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:10:25pm

re: #56 Merryweather

Even Beck doesn't make my blood boil as much as Limbaugh does, because, as dangerous as his rhetoric is, there is the unintentional comedy element. I've never been able to just mock Limbaugh though. He doesn't just pander to people's worst instincts, he encourages them. People like him are a blight on mankind.

I can't disagree, but on a "who's worse" contest, it would be hard to peg. I will say, though, as much as I despise Palin, I think those two fellas are worse than she. Unless Fox gives her her own talk show, then I may have to rethink that.

61 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:11:50pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

I can't disagree, but on a "who's worse" contest, it would be hard to peg. I will say, though, as much as I despise Palin, I think those two fellas are worse than she. Unless Fox gives her her own talk show, then I may have to rethink that.

I don't think you need to worry, she is more the TV type...

62 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:12:17pm

re: #61 brookly red

I don't think you need to worry, she is more the TV type...

That's a fact. Hey, did you ever get around to seeing that Stan Lee clip?

63 Merryweather  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:12:34pm

re: #54 b_sharp

For the good of humanity, Limbaugh should never reproduce, but you, dear lady, should be cloned.

As he's a known user of Viagra, apparently even God thought it'd be a bad idea for Rush to have offspring.

64 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:12:58pm

re: #43 celticdragon

Actually, law journals have had more than a few articles about the propriety of war crimes tribunals and Nuremberg - in particular because of ex post facto concerns. Some of the Nazis picked up on this in their defenses - that the laws that were broken didn't even exist (weren't codified) at the time the crimes were committed, but the trials were meant not only to deliver guilty verdicts (and there were more than a few that got acquitted or reduced trials, both among those Germans put on trial and the similar war crimes tribunals set up against the Japanese), but to expose the world to the mountains of evidence of genocide and war crimes - the systematic elimination of entire peoples - among them those who were Jewish or believed to be sufficiently Jewish to warrant elimination.

And one of my law school's most famous "alums" was none other than Justice Robert Jackson - lead US prosecutor at Nuremberg.

65 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:13:02pm

re: #62 marjoriemoon

That's a fact. Hey, did you ever get around to seeing that Stan Lee clip?

honestly I forgot about it... busy bailing out the gf.

66 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:13:54pm

Ultimately, this is why humour is so poorly done by the Conservative cult. Because to cultists, this is humour - their worldview is so filled with bile towards 'liberals' that bigoted spite is what passes for comedy. It is a sad indictment of American politics and the power dynamics in American culture that such a negative, hate-filled movement has any influence at all.

67 What, me worry?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:14:07pm

re: #65 brookly red

honestly I forgot about it... busy bailing out the gf.

Ahh catch it when you can. It'll make you muy happy.

Ok I'm off. Will try to get back later. Thanks for a fun afternoon guys and gals.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:14:24pm

re: #65 brookly red

honestly I forgot about it... busy bailing out the gf.

Your old lady is taking on water?

69 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:15:47pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

Your old lady is taking on water?

it if was water she wouldn't have punched the cop... I am thinking she is becoming a liability.

70 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:17:04pm

re: #51 brookly red

well you make a good point... but the fact is he owns the operation so it's not like he can get fired.

Rush may own the program and its production, but Premiere Radio (the talk division of Clear Channel) runs the distribution. Here's some of the other people Premiere distributes...and almost all of them are at the top of their segments:


Premiere Radio Networks, Inc., a subsidiary of Clear Channel Communications, syndicates 90 radio programs and services to more than 5,000 radio affiliations and reaches over 190 million listeners weekly. Premiere Radio is the number one radio network in the country and features the following personalities: Rush Limbaugh, Jim Rome, Casey Kasem, Ryan Seacrest, Glenn Beck, Bob & Tom, Delilah, Steve Harvey, Blair Garner, George Noory, John Boy and Billy, Big Tigger, Dr. Dean Edell, Sean Hannity, Elvis Duran, Randi Rhodes, Jason Lewis and others. Premiere is based in Sherman Oaks, California, with 13 offices nationwide.
71 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:17:43pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

I honestly could care less about his motives if it ultimately end up benefiting people who are battling cancer. They need all the help they can get.

On the balance sheet, which of his actions affect people the most, his self aggrandizing charity work, where he gets good, honest and troubled people to pat him on the back, and by doing so empower himself to continue the rants that can potentially cause problems for many others, or those very rants?

If you can say that more good comes from his charity work than bad comes from his personality, even while admitting the charity work enables the broadcast of his tripe, then I'm willing to join you on the wagon and be all for his continuing with the fund raising.

I don't know enough about Limbaugh and how he affects people's lives to be able to make a judgment call.

72 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:18:10pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

And please note, I am not giving him a pat on the back, nor saying it makes him a "good guy".

No one would think you were.

73 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:18:14pm

re: #70 talon_262

Left this off: as long as Rush makes Premiere (and the advertisers) money, they'll keep distributing his show.

74 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:20:21pm

re: #70 talon_262

Rush may own the program and its production, but Premiere Radio (the talk division of Clear Channel) runs the distribution. Here's some of the other people Premiere distributes...and almost all of them are at the top of their segments:

Note: Rush Limbaugh & Randi Rhodes work for the same company... that's why I find it hard to get worked up about it.

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:22:53pm

re: #71 b_sharp

Well, I think he's a super-douche, and that no amount of charity work on his part will make him any less of a super-douche.

However, if he is willing to give some time to help raise funds for The Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, I say they should take it.

Fighting cancer is teh suck, and it's not like they're taking money from Hitler that was stolen from his victims.

76 webevintage  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:23:15pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fat fucker mocks hunger in America

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Kids going hungry? They can dumpster dive

A slimy shitstain of a human being.

That all is satire and Rush is most awesome at the sarcasm and libs are just too stupid to get his dry, dry wit and really need to lighten up a bit.
/

Just thought I would get that out there...

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:23:53pm

re: #69 brookly red

it if was water she wouldn't have punched the cop... I am thinking she is becoming a liability.

I do believe you're right.

78 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:25:07pm

Top story at the Freakin Shreiken Herpies

"FED-UP MUSLIMS" "DECLARE WAR" ON AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT

No, they are talking about the NSW state govt, not the federal govt, not that it should matter.



"We want the Muslim people to have their say. We are telling them that Labor has not done the job and that it's time for them to go,"

If this not, in and of itself, concrete evidence of intent and motive, I don't know what. It's interesting how Muslims insist upon separate status, special class, sharia etc in their "host" countries. Parallel societies.

"A house divided cannot stand." Abraham Lincoln.

Why shouldn't the Muslim people has a chance to express their veiws?
In our democracy, every citizen can express their view, be Muslim should not exclude you, right?

Check out the headline "fed up" - imdeed. And notice this goes far beyond "extremists." It is mainstream.

The Muslim community represents approximatly 2% of the population, so apparantly 2 in 100 is now considered mainstream to some.

The story:


ISLAMIC leaders have declared war on the State Government, calling for pro-Muslim candidates to run in key western Sydney Labor seats.

Lebanese Muslim Association president Samier Dandan yesterday used the Eid al-Adha festival at Lakemba to outline his group's political ambitions.

In front of more than 5000 followers, Mr Dandan said Labor had to be kicked out of office at the March election.

"We want the Muslim people to have their say. We are telling them that Labor has not done the job and that it's time for them to go," he said.

Mr Dandan said the Labor seats of Auburn, Lakemba, Liverpool, Bankstown and Canterbury would be targeted. He did not rule out the possibility of running independent candidates at the election.

"I can't disclose our strategy but our message is clear. We need change. Our people have been marginalised and left behind," Mr Dandan said.

Mr Dandan, a member of the Arabic Chamber of Commerce who served as a Muslim Reference Group adviser to former prime minister John Howard, said councils and Labor MPs had discriminated against Sydney's Muslims.

"Enough is enough. Labor thinks these are safe seats. That's why they don't spend the money," he said.

"And the Liberal Party, why would they bother?"

Former NRL star Hazem El Masri has been sounded out by the Liberal Party to stand.

While Labor MPs were nowhere to be seen, Opposition Leader Barry O'Farrell sent an Arabic-speaking spokesman.

More than 25,000 people attended the Lakemba mosque yesterday to celebrate the second most important day on the Muslim religious calendar.

It disgusts me that the hipocrasy and bigotry has become so blatant.

If this story was about Christian wanting their say, you can bet it would be promoted as freedomon fighting by these same nutters.

They are nothing but homophobic biggot racist haters...

79 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:25:46pm

re: #74 brookly red

Note: Rush Limbaugh & Randi Rhodes work for the same company... that's why I find it hard to get worked up about it.

And here in the Denver area... Clear Channel owns the progressive talker 760 AM featuring Thom Hartmann, David Sirota, Alan Colmes, Ed Shultz, Bill Press, Randi Rhodes and others.

Complaining about who is what on which stations, hell, you're all getting pawned by the media... bottom line, if it smells, it sells, and progit is the politics.

LOL.

80 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:26:14pm

re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth

I do believe you're right.

hmmm I always get the phycos...

81 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:27:27pm

re: #78 ozbloke

It seems that some of her spelling habits are rubbing off on you.
/teasing, only teasing

82 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:27:37pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

And here in the Denver area... Clear Channel owns the progressive talker 760 AM featuring Thom Hartmann, David Sirota, Alan Colmes, Ed Shultz, Bill Press, Randi Rhodes and others.

Complaining about who is what on which stations, hell, you're all getting pawned by the media... bottom line, if it smells, it sells, and progit is the politics.

LOL.

really... thats why I don't take any of this too seriously.

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:28:15pm

Eat some more pills, pillhead

84 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:28:35pm

re: #81 Slumbering Behemoth

It seems that some of her spelling habits are rubbing off on you.
/teasing, only teasing

The headline was intentional, the rest, probably frustration.

85 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:29:16pm

re: #80 brookly red

Same here. The real problem here is that they don't let their psycho out until after a few months.

86 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:29:51pm

re: #74 brookly red

Note: Rush Limbaugh & Randi Rhodes work for the same company... that's why I find it hard to get worked up about it.

That may be true that Limbaugh and Rhodes both work for Premiere, but one is not like the other. One heads a huge program on thousands of stations and millions of listeners daily, having political influence by virtue of his massive soapbox...the other has a fraction of that audience and little political influence in the public sphere.

87 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:29:56pm

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I think he's a super-douche, and that no amount of charity work on his part will make him any less of a super-douche.

However, if he is willing to give some time to help raise funds for The Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, I say they should take it.

Fighting cancer is teh suck, and it's not like they're taking money from Hitler that was stolen from his victims.

I'm all for funding of cancer research, I have far too much of it my family, so I'll defer to your judgment.

88 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:29:58pm

re: #80 brookly red

hmmm I always get the phycos...

oh, i could tell you a few stories...

89 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:30:31pm

re: #85 Slumbering Behemoth

Same here. The real problem here is that they don't let their psycho out until after a few months.

yeah... next time I will buy the extended warranty.

90 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:30:45pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

And here in the Denver area... Clear Channel owns the progressive talker 760 AM featuring Thom Hartmann, David Sirota, Alan Colmes, Ed Shultz, Bill Press, Randi Rhodes and others.

Complaining about who is what on which stations, hell, you're all getting pawned by the media... bottom line, if it smells, it sells, and progit is the politics.

LOL.

er... spelling... if it smells, it sells, and profit is the politics.

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:30:48pm

re: #41 talon_262

Just an addendum: one of these days, I wish the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society would tell Rush to shove his radiothon he does every year for them, but with as much as he supposedly raises, I doubt it.

well that's the game, with one hand you're helping a charity to polish your bonafides, with the other you're just stoking insane racism ove the national airwaves (so we, the taxpayers are helping pay to spread racism, don't forget that) and giving everyone with a confederate flag more reasons to wave it

I wonder if the KKK held a benefit for a charity, if the charity would reject the money. I bet they would! Oh well

92 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:31:42pm

re: #88 engineer dog

oh, i could tell you a few stories...

somethings are best left unsaid...

93 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:32:01pm

oh look!
it's Miller time

94 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:32:52pm

BBL. Time for my 1.5 hr drive home.

95 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:33:30pm

re: #93 albusteve

oh look!
it's Miller time

I am a bit ahead of you... east coast you know :)

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:34:10pm

re: #87 b_sharp

I'm all for funding of cancer research, I have far too much of it my family, so I'll defer to your judgment.

Never do that. You'll wind up hungover and naked, stuck at the top of the Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree with a broken rake and a half eaten badger.

97 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:34:42pm

re: #86 talon_262

That may be true that Limbaugh and Rhodes both work for Premiere, but one is not like the other. One heads a huge program on thousands of stations and millions of listeners daily, having political influence by virtue of his massive soapbox...the other has a fraction of that audience and little political influence in the public sphere.

hey, its all the same to me.

98 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:35:22pm

Tea Party!

99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:35:35pm

here's some radio (or podcasts as the case may be) that doesn't suck:

[Link: legionofnews.pdx.fm...]
[Link: funemploymentradio.com...]
[Link: www.philhendrieshow.com...]
[Link: www.mikeomearashow.com...]

100 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:36:10pm

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

Never do that. You'll wind up hungover and naked, stuck at the top of the Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree with a broken rake and a half eaten badger.

But you can always say afterwards, "Man, what a ride!"

;-P

101 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:36:53pm

re: #95 brookly red

I am a bit ahead of you... east coast you know :)

well, you better be
I've been busy, but know how to catch up

102 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:37:39pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

here's some radio (or podcasts as the case may be) that doesn't suck:

[Link: legionofnews.pdx.fm...]
[Link: funemploymentradio.com...]
[Link: www.philhendrieshow.com...]
[Link: www.mikeomearashow.com...]

I heard that Don Geronimo (Mike Source) got a new radio gig in California a while back. I haven't heard the show.

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:38:29pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

And here in the Denver area... Clear Channel owns the progressive talker 760 AM featuring Thom Hartmann, David Sirota, Alan Colmes, Ed Shultz, Bill Press, Randi Rhodes and others.

Complaining about who is what on which stations, hell, you're all getting pawned by the media... bottom line, if it smells, it sells, and progit is the politics.

LOL.

it's not about the stations, or clear channel, or premier, it's about the individual hosts themselves, and their connection to political parties

Rush is massively influential in the GOP. The GOP has to kowtow to him. he controls opinion.

Which, you know, tells me where the GOP's coming from, so enjoy that! enjoy having a party run by pill popping racist. me, i'll keep voting for people that don't need to go hat in hand to a radio jock to kiss his ring.

104 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:38:36pm

re: #86 talon_262

That may be true that Limbaugh and Rhodes both work for Premiere, but one is not like the other. One heads a huge program on thousands of stations and millions of listeners daily, having political influence by virtue of his massive soapbox...the other has a fraction of that audience and little political influence in the public sphere.

So... and you don't think Premiere would give Rhodes all the exposer she could handle if her ratings went up? Sorry she is a failure in your eyes.

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:39:12pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

I heard that Don Geronimo (Mike Source) got a new radio gig in California a while back. I haven't heard the show.

Geronimo's back? Ho crap, I didn't know that! I thought he retired from the biz permanently. :/

106 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:39:42pm

re: #103 WindUpBird

it's not about the stations, or clear channel, or premier, it's about the individual hosts themselves, and their connection to political parties

Rush is massively influential in the GOP. The GOP has to kowtow to him. he controls opinion.

Which, you know, tells me where the GOP's coming from, so enjoy that! enjoy having a party run by pill popping racist. me, i'll keep voting for people that don't need to go hat in hand to a radio jock to kiss his ring.

I'm curious, from your point of view, what is racist about the statement above or the graphic? Just curious.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:39:59pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!

Now that looks like a man with well reasoned political opinions.
/

108 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:40:08pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

I'm curious, from your point of view, what is racist about the statement above or the graphic? Just curious.

What's racist about it from your point of view, Walter?

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:40:28pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

So... and you don't think Premiere would give Rhodes all the exposer she could handle if her ratings went up? Sorry she is a failure in your eyes.

Rhodes is very important because she can bend the DNC chair to her will and make him snivel on the air in apology


Only instead of Rhodes, it's Rush

And instead of the DNC it's the RNC

Whoops!

110 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:41:09pm

re: #103 WindUpBird

it's not about the stations, or clear channel, or premier, it's about the individual hosts themselves, and their connection to political parties

Rush is massively influential in the GOP. The GOP has to kowtow to him. he controls opinion.

Which, you know, tells me where the GOP's coming from, so enjoy that! enjoy having a party run by pill popping racist. me, i'll keep voting for people that don't need to go hat in hand to a radio jock to kiss his ring.

I think you give pundits too much credit...the people empower him, not the other way around

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:41:11pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

I'm curious, from your point of view, what is racist about the statement above or the graphic? Just curious.

You know Rush has said a whole bunch of racist things, right? Lovingly detailed here on LGF?

You think charles is lying, have the guts to bring it up with him

112 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:41:56pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

I'm curious, from your point of view, what is racist about the statement above or the graphic? Just curious.

I didn't dare even ask...whatever it is, I missed it

113 fraxinus americana  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:42:28pm
This presidency of Obama’s, it doesn’t take much to irritate the left. Try this: “Barack Obama’s presidency is graffiti on the walls of American history.”

Reading this thread, point taken Rush.

114 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:42:29pm

re: #111 WindUpBird

You know Rush has said a whole bunch of racist things, right? Lovingly detailed here on LGF?

You think charles is lying, have the guts to bring it up with him

No... I 100 percent agree that Rush has made outright racist remarks in the past... and will probably continue to do so.

I was curious as to your opinion on the statement above and the graphic?

115 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:43:44pm

re: #111 WindUpBird

You know Rush has said a whole bunch of racist things, right? Lovingly detailed here on LGF?

You think charles is lying, have the guts to bring it up with him

lying?...whoa, that's a stretch

116 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:44:59pm

Alex Jones is pretty darn thrilled with Drudge and Fox News promoting 9-11 truth...

Youtube Video
117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:45:03pm

re: #110 albusteve

I think you give pundits too much credit...the people empower him, not the other way around

people empower him, and he holds the power. And then he uses that power to further radicalize and influence the GOP. Rush is about Rush. Rush is looking out for himself. If everyone stopped listening, Rush would disappear, but here's the thing, only the GOP seems to have this problem, where they are totally beholden to a very very few select group of tastemakers and opinion heads on radio and TV. More easily led. It's why it's better to have the circular firing squad of the DNC, makes Democrats less crazy because Democrats have something resembling an immune system. Lots of bickering, nobody gets along. Which I prefer.

118 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:45:18pm

re: #115 albusteve

lying?...whoa, that's a stretch

Typical.

119 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:46:06pm

re: #118 Walter L. Newton

What's your opinion on the racism of the above graphic and accompanying comments, Walter?

120 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:46:50pm

re: #118 Walter L. Newton

Typical.

lol

121 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:47:52pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

people empower him, and he holds the power. And then he uses that power to further radicalize and influence the GOP. Rush is about Rush. Rush is looking out for himself. If everyone stopped listening, Rush would disappear, but here's the thing, only the GOP seems to have this problem, where they are totally beholden to a very very few select group of tastemakers and opinion heads on radio and TV. More easily led. It's why it's better to have the circular firing squad of the DNC, makes Democrats less crazy because Democrats have something resembling an immune system. Lots of bickering, nobody gets along. Which I prefer.

your preaching and all this has been said a thousand times before...voters are historically ignorant in the US, same with radio and TV addicts...no ratings, no Rushbo

122 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:48:27pm

re: #119 Obdicut

What's your opinion on the racism of the above graphic and accompanying comments, Walter?

Thanks you for seeing racism in the above comment and graphic. Now, would you like to explain what you see?

123 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:48:32pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

I'm curious, from your point of view, what is racist about the statement above or the graphic? Just curious.

tying the president to grafitti spray painters. about the same if a "joke" about an italian american president made a reference to the mafia

grafitti spray painters, aren't, perhaps, all "minority teenagers". but the mafia wasn't all italians, either...

124 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:49:15pm

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Thanks you for seeing racism in the above comment and graphic. Now, would you like to explain what you see?

I'm sorry, Walter, but you dodged my question. Let me re-ask it, to make it easier:

Do you see racism in the above graphic and accompanying comments?

125 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:50:00pm

re: #123 engineer dog

tying the president to grafitti spray painters. about the same if a "joke" about an italian american president made a reference to the mafia

grafitti spray painters, aren't, perhaps, all "minority teenagers". but the mafia wasn't all italians, either...

Bugsy, dat you?

126 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:50:33pm

What's racist about the comment above? OK, let's look at the comment:

This guy is an utter wrecking ball all by himself on the world stage to the point now of getting embarrassing. This presidency of Obama’s, it doesn’t take much to irritate the left. Try this: “Barack Obama’s presidency is graffiti on the walls of American history.” That’s what his administration is. No more than graffiti on the walls of American history. We have a juvenile delinquent for a president who has ruined so much public and private property, not even his gang is making much of an effort here to protect him. It’s an utter disaster.

In other words, according to the "author" of this comment President Obama is a "graffiti writing, tagging delinquent, gang member." Now, do you recognize the stereotypes? And can you think of certain urban stereotypes from here?

127 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:50:35pm

re: #123 engineer dog

tying the president to grafitti spray painters. about the same if a "joke" about an italian american president made a reference to the mafia

grafitti spray painters, aren't, perhaps, all "minority teenagers". but the mafia wasn't all italians, either...

are you saying all or most graffiti sprayers are blacks?

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:51:15pm

re: #126 Gus 802

What's racist about the comment above? OK, let's look at the comment:

In other words, according to the "author" of this comment President Obama is a "graffiti writing, tagging delinquent, gang member." Now, do you recognize the stereotypes? And can you think of certain urban stereotypes from here?

No, that's ALL A COINCIDENCE

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:51:27pm

re: #127 albusteve

are you saying all or most graffiti sprayers are blacks?

nice try, hahaha

130 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:51:48pm

re: #127 albusteve

are you saying all or most graffiti sprayers are blacks?

perhaps you could read my comment more carefully

131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:51:58pm

Perhaps unintended, but Obama's color[ed] image is contrasted with pearly white faces. Hmm.

132 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:52:36pm

EDL targets Halal food....
Restaurant workers fear 'racist' attacks

Last Tuesday, Sedgemoor Magistrates heard how Ashley Wilson, 24, smashed a glass pane at the restaurant and threatened to cut waiters’ faces because they served Halal meat.

The court heard he asked Mr Kamali and Sultan Ahmet “Are you Muslim?”

When they said yes, he said “I’m going to cut your face” and that it was “because I’m EDL [English Defence League].”

Mr Kamali said: “It’s happening again and again and it’s terrifying. I wonder what’s next?”

133 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:53:04pm

re: #127 albusteve

are you saying all or most graffiti sprayers are blacks?

134 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:53:21pm

re: #130 engineer dog

perhaps you could read my comment more carefully

so who are the graffiti sprayers?...blacks, whites, Latinos?...what's the connection to BO?

135 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:53:35pm

re: #133 Obdicut

Damn it.

They look like they might be Asian to me.

/

136 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:53:46pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

No, that's ALL A COINCIDENCE

Yeah. "But taggers can be white!" Sure they can. I'm sure they apply these urban stereotypes to all of their political enemies. Why every time we see a political cartoon of Harry Reid it's not uncommon to see him in the context of "tagging-delinquent-gang member."

137 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:54:08pm

re: #124 Obdicut

I'm sorry, Walter, but you dodged my question. Let me re-ask it, to make it easier:

Do you see racism in the above graphic and accompanying comments?

the statement not so much, the graphic was a bit of a dog whistle... hence my original question.

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:54:37pm

We actually have people on this thread, who are smart enough to use the internet, who are yet flatly pushing back on the obvious fact that there's a bunch of racially charged antagonistic imagery in that post

Games over for me today, let me know when the trolliness stops!

139 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:54:38pm

re: #137 brookly red

The statement was also very decidedly racist, as Gus showed above.

140 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:55:16pm

re: #134 albusteve

so who are the graffiti sprayers?...blacks, whites, Latinos?...what's the connection to BO?

indeed, that is exactly the question. why did rush connect the president with graffiti sprayers? what's the connection?

you tell me

141 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:55:43pm

re: #139 Obdicut

The statement was also very decidedly racist, as Gus showed above.

It's like the "shoe shine" Photoshop.

142 bluecheese  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:55:50pm

in the comment, there is something about "ruined so much public and private property".

What is that referring to?

Anybody know?

143 uncle meat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:55:59pm

All this tip-toeing around what is blatantly obvious:

Suggesting a black president will tag Mt. Rushmore. YES, that is pretty racist.

\(I forgot, conservatives are color blind)

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:56:07pm

re: #140 engineer dog

indeed, that is exactly the question. why did rush connect the president with graffiti sprayers? what's the connection?

you tell me

Bingo!

145 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:56:51pm

re: #140 engineer dog

indeed, that is exactly the question. why did rush connect the president with graffiti sprayers? what's the connection?

you tell me

gangster delinquents, just what it says

146 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:56:53pm

re: #124 Obdicut

I'm sorry, Walter, but you dodged my question. Let me re-ask it, to make it easier:

Do you see racism in the above graphic and accompanying comments?

No. Taggers come in all colors, and some of the more famous ones are white... the comment is in relation to what Rush considers the immature nature of the Obama administration and governance. He is calling Obama a " juvenile delinquent," not the "n" word or some other veiled reference. The comment is very clear.

On the flip side, Rush has made outright racist statements about about Obama, and continues to use repetitive "hooks" that have overt racist innuendoes.

147 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:58:37pm

re: #146 Walter L. Newton

Heh.

What a load.

Idiotic refusal to see blatant racism staring you in the face.

I've never understood the point of playing stupid like this. An essential part of it is, well, looking really stupid.

148 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 2:59:06pm

Stock market tanks as new GOP freshman head to orientation.

149 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:00:02pm

re: #147 Obdicut

Heh.

What a load.

Idiotic refusal to see blatant racism staring you in the face.

I've never understood the point of playing stupid like this. An essential part of it is, well, looking really stupid.

Yawn.

150 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:00:06pm

re: #148 Jeff In Ohio

Stock market tanks as new GOP freshman head to orientation.

yeah I am sure that was it...

151 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:03:36pm

re: #147 Obdicut

Heh.

What a load.

Idiotic refusal to see blatant racism staring you in the face.

I've never understood the point of playing stupid like this. An essential part of it is, well, looking really stupid.

have you ever looked in a mirror?....seems anyone who disagrees with you is idiotic or stupid...and your explanation of 'blatant racism' said little or nothing...graffiti sprayers come in all shapes, sizes, races, rich, poor etc...getting a picture now?, or am I a racist liar again?...good grief, relax

152 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:03:38pm

re: #150 brookly red

yeah I am sure that was it...

It is what it is, nothing more.

153 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:03:55pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Sure, Walter. Very boring.

It is supremely idiotic of you to insist that because Limbaugh didn't call Obama an explicitly racist name, that he didn't engage in racism. That argument is the typical one used by people to defend Rush. It's not even an original defense of Limbaugh's racism.

154 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:04:10pm

re: #147 Obdicut

Heh.

What a load.

Idiotic refusal to see blatant racism staring you in the face.

I've never understood the point of playing stupid like this. An essential part of it is, well, looking really stupid.

at some point people just get tired of being called names when they disagree.

155 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:04:20pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fat fucker mocks hunger in America

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Kids going hungry? They can dumpster dive

A slimy shitstain of a human being.

Wait, What? WTF, I have a friend who's recently homeless and living out of her car, (in fact she's blogging about it (take a look please, she's a fantastic photographer and writer and going through a really tough time). Without going into her personal history, she's worked her ass off helping other people and trying to do good things only to find that stupid dumb things happen and leave her screwed.

To make matters worse, she doesn't even have an effective family support group. She's probably gone through more crap and done more for people than Rush Limbaugh or Neal Boortz or any of those right wing leeches ever would. And yes I think they are leeches, because honestly what have they done? sat and talked on the air? They agitate and try to show how awesome they are by spitting on people who have a rougher life than they could imagine.

Limbaugh and the right wing extremists that he agitates so well represent the real immorality in America.

156 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:05:05pm

re: #152 Jeff In Ohio

It is what it is, nothing more.

so then the jump after the election was what it was? please.

157 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:05:08pm

re: #154 brookly red

What name did I call him, Brookly?

158 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:07:46pm

re: #156 brookly red

so then the jump after the election was what it was? please.

we could get rich, you know

159 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:07:54pm

re: #156 brookly red

so then the jump after the election was what it was? please.

Says the guy who is sure he got job interviews because of the election results.

160 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:07:55pm

re: #157 Obdicut

What name did I call him, Brookly?

Heh.
What a load.
Idiotic refusal to see blatant racism staring you in the face.
I've never understood the point of playing stupid like this. An essential part of it is, well, looking really stupid.

take your pick...

161 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:08:38pm

re: #159 bratwurst

Says the guy who is sure he got job interviews because of the election results.

indeed...

162 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:08:40pm

re: #156 brookly red

so then the jump after the election was what it was? please.

That would be an opportunity to take profits before the reality set in. I know, I took mine. Your welcome.

163 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:08:50pm

re: #160 brookly red

None of those are names that I called him, Brookly.

164 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:09:10pm

re: #158 albusteve

we could get rich, you know

I am rich...

165 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:09:48pm

re: #163 Obdicut

None of those are names that I called him, Brookly.

semantics...

166 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:10:21pm

re: #163 Obdicut

None of those are names that I called him, Brookly.

so you have a different standard for yourself than for Rush?...

It is supremely idiotic of you to insist that because Limbaugh didn't call Obama an explicitly racist name, that he didn't engage in racism.

167 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:10:38pm

re: #162 Jeff In Ohio

no I bought gold in 07... I am fine.

168 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:10:41pm

re: #165 brookly red

Heh. You lie about what I did and call it semantics.

169 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:10:52pm

re: #164 brookly red

I am rich...

ha!....so am I!
life is good bro

170 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:11:00pm

OK For the Limbaugh apologists. Tell you what. Try this little experiment with your black coworker:

Draw a cartoon of him or her and put write out his name in tagging style. Then call him a delinquent and say that he's just working for his gang and that his gang won't do anything for him.

See how far you go with that.

171 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:11:11pm

re: #162 Jeff In Ohio

That would be an opportunity to take profits before the reality set in. I know, I took mine. Your welcome.

My whole business plan is centered around the economy being in the tank for at least the next year. I say everyone is doing a wonderful job.

172 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:11:57pm

re: #166 albusteve

I'm definitely saying that Walter is acting like an idiot and a fool, probably just being his normal trolly self, in denying that what Limbaugh did was racist.

I guess you could say that sometimes people get tired of being told that their behavior is moronic; that'd make more sense.

I've got a good solution for that, though: Don't act like a moron.

173 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:13:01pm

re: #170 Gus 802

OK For the Limbaugh apologists. Tell you what. Try this little experiment with your black coworker:

Draw a cartoon of him or her and put write out his name in tagging style. Then call him a delinquent and say that he's just working for his gang and that his gang won't do anything for him.

See how far you go with that.

Not all delinquents are black and the presidents gang is entirely white. I understand your original post but I think it's a bit of a stretch. That takes an awful lot of dot connecting when Walters argument seems more likely, at least to me.

174 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:13:19pm

re: #170 Gus 802

Heh. Nice one.

175 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:13:22pm

re: #145 albusteve

gangster delinquents, just what it says

closely associated in the public imagination, of course, with polo ponies, yachts, suburbs, wonder bread, and the donna reed show

who do you think you're convincing?

176 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:13:47pm

re: #170 Gus 802

OK For the Limbaugh apologists. Tell you what. Try this little experiment with your black coworker:

Draw a cartoon of him or her and put write out his name in tagging style. Then call him a delinquent and say that he's just working for his gang and that his gang won't do anything for him.

See how far you go with that.

I do not apologize for Rush....I fail to see the 'blatant racism' above....not too big a deal for me actually, but just looking at the words and picture, I don't see it...maybe it's the diverse culture I live in

177 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:13:47pm

re: #166 albusteve

so you have a different standard for yourself than for Rush?...

It is supremely idiotic of you to insist that because Limbaugh didn't call Obama an explicitly racist name, that he didn't engage in racism.

easy... don't hurt him now.

178 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:14:07pm

re: #172 Obdicut

I'm definitely saying that Walter is acting like an idiot and a fool, probably just being his normal trolly self, in denying that what Limbaugh did was racist.

I guess you could say that sometimes people get tired of being told that their behavior is moronic; that'd make more sense.

I've got a good solution for that, though: Don't act like a moron.

Obdicut... thank you for admitting that you were wrong and were actually calling me names (idiot and a fool)... it takes a big man to admit that he lied in public... my respect for you just went up 100 percent...

Moron.

179 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:15:04pm

re: #175 engineer dog

closely associated in the public imagination, of course, with polo ponies, yachts, suburbs, wonder bread, and the donna reed show

who do you think you're convincing?

I take it for what it is

180 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:15:14pm

re: #172 Obdicut

You haven't noticed that everyone you disagree with you label as a "troll"? Even those people who are generally inclined to agree with you on most issues? I have.

181 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:15:17pm

re: #176 albusteve

I do not apologize for Rush...I fail to see the 'blatant racism' above...not too big a deal for me actually, but just looking at the words and picture, I don't see it...maybe it's the diverse culture I live in

OK, the stick a dreidel next to Joe Lieberman's picture and then say something about him not getting any help from his banker friends. That work?

182 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:15:32pm

re: #168 Obdicut

Heh. You lie about what I did and call it semantics.


Heh.
What a load.
Idiotic refusal to see blatant racism staring you in the face.
I've never understood the point of playing stupid like this. An essential part of it is, well, looking really stupid.

show me the lie... all I did was cut & paste. Man up eh?

183 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:15:52pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I didn't call you an idiot or a fool.

'm definitely saying that Walter is acting like an idiot and a fool, probably just being his normal trolly self, in denying that what Limbaugh did was racist.

This is about as pathetic as you've ever gotten. I don't need to heap any more calumny than you've pulled down on yourself, defending Limbaugh's racism.

184 albusteve  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:16:30pm

re: #181 Gus 802

OK, the stick a dreidel next to Joe Lieberman's picture and then say something about him not getting any help from his banker friends. That work?

I quit, you win

185 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:16:53pm

re: #180 RogueOne

You haven't noticed that everyone you disagree with you label as a "troll"? Even those people who are generally inclined to agree with you on most issues? I have.

No, because that's not true. I think Walter trolls. I think you troll me, because you've admitted to doing so. I disagree with Researchok on almost every issue-- he's not a troll. I disagree with FBV on nearly every policy position; he's not a troll.

So, as usual, you're just being hyperbolic and making shit up.

186 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:17:22pm

How about this, Rush isn't racist...

He's a self-centered asshole who is too busy acting like his shit doesn't smell and has the same mental maturity as the local middle school boys. He doesn't give a damn how he comes across because he never has to live with the consequences of his actions and on the few times he does, he can play the victim card and have people come running to him to massage his poor bruised ego...

He's a shitty human being, but he's not a racist.

better? :)

187 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:17:29pm

re: #183 Obdicut

I didn't call you an idiot or a fool.

This is about as pathetic as you've ever gotten. I don't need to heap any more calumny than you've pulled down on yourself, defending Limbaugh's racism.

you know you could just say OK, my bad and be done with this...

188 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:17:33pm

re: #113 fraxinus americana

Reading this thread, point taken Rush.

I believe you also agree with Rush about AGW, given your recent activity:

Logged out: Fraxinus americana

-1Link rated by: Fraxinus americana

Link: The Crash Of The Climate Exchange

Climate Fraud: As the case for global warming and cap-and-trade has collapsed, so too has the market that was to exploit this manufactured crisis for fun and profit. The climate-change bubble has burst.Lost in the hubbub leading up to the...

Logged in: Fraxinus americana

That's where you logged in just to upding this.

189 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:17:45pm

re: #183 Obdicut

I didn't call you an idiot or a fool.

This is about as pathetic as you've ever gotten. I don't need to heap any more calumny than you've pulled down on yourself, defending Limbaugh's racism.

Tap Dancing lesson...

[Link: www.5min.com...]

190 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:18:07pm

That pic of Obama as a witch-doctor? Also not racist at all. It doesn't suggest that all blacks are witch-doctors, so there. Why r u laffin?

/

191 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:18:15pm

re: #186 bloodstar

I don't think he actually is racist. I just think he says tons of racist crap, because he delights in doing so. I don't think he actually thinks black people are inferior-- or rather, I have no clue if he does or not.

But he still spouts racism like a bigoted whale.

192 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:18:47pm

re: #190 Sergey Romanov

In fact, the first usage of the phrase 'witch doctor' was for Englishmen. How could it be racist?!

/

193 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:19:05pm

re: #182 brookly red

Heh.
What a load.
Idiotic refusal to see blatant racism staring you in the face.
I've never understood the point of playing stupid like this. An essential part of it is, well, looking really stupid.

show me the lie... all I did was cut & paste. Man up eh?

o ferchrissakes, who cares if somebody called you guys names? you man up

194 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:19:07pm

re: #113 fraxinus americana

Image: sleeper.jpg

195 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:19:26pm

re: #182 brookly red

Heh.
What a load.
Idiotic refusal to see blatant racism staring you in the face.
I've never understood the point of playing stupid like this. An essential part of it is, well, looking really stupid.

show me the lie... all I did was cut & paste. Man up eh?

you down ding me for cutting and pasting your own words? kinda hard to back that up dude...

196 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:19:37pm

re: #185 Obdicut

I've admitted that it's easy to get you going because, well, it is. That doesn't mean I'm not being sincere. I think people who get that predictably wound up are funny.

197 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:19:50pm

re: #190 Sergey Romanov

That pic of Obama as a witch-doctor? Also not racist at all. It doesn't suggest that all blacks are witch-doctors, so there. Why r u laffin?

/

Yeah. Obama with a gang and tagging America? Not racist. Obama as a witch doctor? Not racist. Obama as a shoe shine "boy"? Not racist...

/Instapundit mode = off

198 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:20:23pm

re: #193 engineer dog

o ferchrissakes, who cares if somebody called you guys names? you man up

no how about the name caller apologizes for once?

199 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:20:35pm

re: #171 RogueOne

My whole business plan is centered around the economy being in the tank for at least the next year. I say everyone is doing a wonderful job.

Mine is centered around like minded people pulling the same load in the same direction. It's working out quite well so far. My wife got a raise. Our retirement portfolio is up 80% in the last 2 years. We're saving $50k on a 15 year refi.

Otherwise, I dumped my solar stocks before the idiots take control of the house ( now down 15%), filled our oil tank in the summer, dumped my bank stocks before the new European debt crisis peaked and probably sold our gold a little early, but that bubble's gotta burst sometime.

All in all we're good.

200 MinisterO  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:21:01pm

re: #66 Renaissance_Man

Ultimately, this is why humour is so poorly done by the Conservative cult. Because to cultists, this is humour - their worldview is so filled with bile towards 'liberals' that bigoted spite is what passes for comedy. It is a sad indictment of American politics and the power dynamics in American culture that such a negative, hate-filled movement has any influence at all.

This x 1000. Well-said.

201 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:21:15pm

re: #196 RogueOne

Whatever, dude. You just lied about me again-- I don't call everyone who disagrees with me a troll. You don't care. You don't give a shit that you said something that's not true. It doesn't matter, because your point wasn't to say something 'sincere'.

202 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:21:23pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fat fucker mocks hunger in America

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Kids going hungry? They can dumpster dive

A slimy shitstain of a human being.

That was perhaps the most cynical, evil and reprehensible thing I have read in a long time from him. It takes a lot to reach that level of pure evil.

Perhaps that fat bastard could be hungry himself for a little while.

203 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:21:29pm

Coming up next!

Everybody eats watermelon.

"I'm just asking questions."

/

204 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:22:54pm

re: #195 brookly red

Some people have been grumply lately. I managed to make the bottom 10 by pointing out a guy was a republican and not a libertarian.

205 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:23:09pm

re: #203 Gus 802

And then:

"Obama is having a rap-feud with America and doing a drive-by shooting on our economy while drinking a cold forty of tax hikes."

Totally not racist. Plenty of white rappers, lots of ethnicities do drive-bys, and even Tom Waits enjoys a good forty.

///

206 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:23:46pm

re: #191 Obdicut

I don't think he actually is racist. I just think he says tons of racist crap, because he delights in doing so. I don't think he actually thinks black people are inferior-- or rather, I have no clue if he does or not.

But he still spouts racism like a bigoted whale.

I understand, I suppose I was trying to play peace maker and say that we ignore if there are racial overtones and was hoping that everyone would agree that Rush Limbaugh is a hypocritical and repugnant human being who wouldn't even be on our radar if it wasn't for the number of people who actually believes the shit he shovels out every day? ;)

207 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:23:53pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Yeah. Obama with a gang and tagging America? Not racist. Obama as a witch doctor? Not racist. Obama as a shoe shine "boy"? Not racist...

/Instapundit mode = off

The 'logic', ultimately, is that racism is bad. Everyone knows that. But hating Obama is good. And therein is the brief dilemma - what is said about Obama cannot therefore be racist, because racism is bad, but hating Obama is good, just and right. They cannot be the same thing. In the end, it is nothing more than a hate-based worldview that leads people of otherwise normal intelligence to wilfully fail to see obvious bigotry.

208 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:23:56pm

re: #205 Obdicut

And then:

"Obama is having a rap-feud with America and doing a drive-by shooting on our economy while drinking a cold forty of tax hikes."

Totally not racist. Plenty of white rappers, lots of ethnicities do drive-bys, and even Tom Waits enjoys a good forty.

///

Yeah. "White people picked cotton too."

/

209 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:24:30pm

re: #204 RogueOne

Some people have been grumply lately. I managed to make the bottom 10 by pointing out a guy was a republican and not a libertarian.

no shit...

210 RogueOne  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:25:27pm

I'm taking off, everyone take a deep breath and enjoy your evening.

211 MinisterO  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:25:59pm

The trolls are out and hungry for attention.

212 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:26:24pm

re: #113 fraxinus americana

Reading this thread, point taken Rush.

Why hello sock! How are you doing today? By which of your multiple paranoid delusional personae shall we refer to you as?

Please explain how this is not obviously race baiting.

Did you notice Rush's odious comments about dumpster diving?

LIMBAUGH:

There's another place if none of these options work to find food; there's always the neighborhood dumpster. Now, you might find competition with homeless people there, but there are videos that have been produced to show you how to healthfully dine and how to dumpster dive and survive until school kicks back up in August. Can you imagine the benefit we would provide people?

Please tell us in your own words how this is a satire. Tell us how it represents the "Christian" values of the GOP. Since it does represent the "Christian" values of the GOP - in a way that would make Christ weep - would you be kind enough to address that as well?

213 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:26:27pm

re: #196 RogueOne

I've admitted that it's easy to get you going because, well, it is. That doesn't mean I'm not being sincere. I think people who get that predictably wound up are funny.

I think your a great winder upper. I can see your sarcasm and take your point without feeling like your being a douche. I never agree with you on points of politics or economics, but you make me laugh out loud sometimes.

214 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:27:17pm

re: #208 Gus 802

Yeah. "White people picked cotton too."

/

Speaking of which. The wingnuts made sure to point out the racist reference when Rick Sanchez of CNN call Obama a "cotton picking president". As did others but they went out of their way in tu quoque form.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:28:51pm

re: #150 brookly red

yeah I am sure that was it...

The connections are there if you're looking...

//

216 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:29:09pm

re: #196 RogueOne

I've admitted that it's easy to get you going because, well, it is. That doesn't mean I'm not being sincere. I think people who get that predictably wound up are funny.

You aren't a troll. You are one of the few, the "proud" remaining lizards who somehow sees good in the undulating, sweaty form of Rush the Hutt.

217 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:30:00pm

re: #211 MinisterO

The trolls are out and hungry for attention.

They are all wound up.

218 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:30:06pm

Buy Gold! Fight the TSA!

219 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:30:54pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

The connections are there if you're looking...

//

I love yah kid but I am not picking my stocks on your say so... ;)

220 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:33:25pm

re: #211 MinisterO

The trolls are out and hungry for attention.

/me belly full but me hungry still,
a hungry man is an angry man.

- Bob Marley

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:33:43pm

Let's try it not on a hypothetical, but on a real analogical example.

Here's popular Russian rock-star Konstantin Kinchev's song (not very translatable, but enough to "get it"):

Dirt

[They] giggled thunder into babble,
Spun sedition with a contention thread
Tempted gullible to be indignant.
[They] turned fires into ashes,
Without roots they boasted to live,
Relied on blood and devil's mother.

Dirt in the hands of the moneylender,
Dirt in the eyes of the humorist,
Dirt in the words of the TV-toller,
And in their hearts it's also not clean.

Hardworking habits [they] burned with laziness,
Slyly gnawing the system,
Called to look for fasting in hysterics.
[They] mixed rays with shadows,
Covertly shook the country,
Managed even in the rain to find the Holocaust.

Dirt in the hands of the moneylender,
Dirt in the eyes of the humorist,
Dirt in the words of the TV-toller,
As for me, they assume that I'm a fascist.

Kinchev insists that there is not a hint of antisemitism in this song and that his Jewish friends affirmed it. Agree/disagree?

222 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:34:16pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Buy Gold! Fight the TSA!

I've said it before. The most likely cause of Beck's demise will be getting clipped by someone who lost his shirt in a gold scheme.

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:34:39pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Yeah. Obama with a gang and tagging America? Not racist. Obama as a witch doctor? Not racist. Obama as a shoe shine "boy"? Not racist...

/Instapundit mode = off

Obama? Racist.

/

224 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:35:12pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

Great. Russian anti-semitic rock.

And of course it's very clearly antisemitic.

225 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:35:12pm

re: #222 LudwigVanQuixote

I've said it before. The most likely cause of Beck's demise will be getting clipped by someone who lost his shirt in a gold scheme.

well as long as gold keeps going up I don't see that happening...

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:37:21pm

re: #186 bloodstar

How about this, Rush isn't racist...

He's a self-centered asshole who is too busy acting like his shit doesn't smell and has the same mental maturity as the local middle school boys. He doesn't give a damn how he comes across because he never has to live with the consequences of his actions and on the few times he does, he can play the victim card and have people come running to him to massage his poor bruised ego...

He's a shitty human being, but he's not a racist.

better? :)

I'll settle for 'asshole'.

227 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:37:54pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

Let's try it not on a hypothetical, but on a real analogical example.

Here's popular Russian rock-star Konstantin Kinchev's song (not very translatable, but enough to "get it"):

Kinchev insists that there is not a hint of antisemitism in this song and that his Jewish friends affirmed it. Agree/disagree?

I am of Russian descent. My family left about four generations back and came to America.

Being Jewish in Russia has gotten better. It used to be largely worse than being black in Georgia in the 1920's. These days, it is at least as good as being black in Georgia (the American state) in the 1950's. I suppose that's progress.

228 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:38:17pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll settle for 'asshole'.

Or a carbunkle.

/

229 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:39:07pm

beer run...

230 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:39:38pm

re: #224 Obdicut

There is a fan video that also gets it (tinyurl):

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

Of course, Kinchev insists he is not responsible for any misinterpretations. I guess we should just take him at his word, what with the standards employed by some in this thread.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:40:05pm

re: #191 Obdicut

I don't think he actually is racist. I just think he says tons of racist crap, because he delights in doing so. I don't think he actually thinks black people are inferior-- or rather, I have no clue if he does or not.

But he still spouts racism like a bigoted whale.

I don't think he cares. I think that if black people paid him enough to spend hours tickling their funny bones about how stupid white people are, he would do that in a heartbeat.

His doing that would not improve my general opinion of him. Nor would it make it much worse.

232 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:40:38pm

re: #230 Sergey Romanov

Yeah. It's probably about goblins.

/

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:40:53pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Coming up next!

Everybody eats watermelon.

"I'm just asking questions."

/

I LOVE watermelon.

That still doesn't mean I want to see a photoshop of the first black president chomping down on one.

234 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:41:09pm

re: #230 Sergey Romanov

There is a fan video that also gets it (tinyurl):

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

Of course, Kinchev insists he is not responsible for any misinterpretations. I guess we should just take him at his word, what with the standards employed by some in this thread.

ah the standards employed by some in this thread.

Freshman!

235 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:41:18pm

Russian rock-star Konstantin Kinchev? Metal by chance?

Gorky Park was mentioned on an episode of Saturday Night Live's skit "Wayne's World." The band ended up on Wayne and Garth's list of the top ten bad things about the fall of the Soviet Union. The duo claimed with the collapse there would be "No more cheesy behind-the-iron-curtain metal bands like Gorky Park.

Maybe Wayne was wrong.

236 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:41:36pm

re: #224 Obdicut

Great. Russian anti-semitic rock.

And of course it's very clearly antisemitic.

Israel has a serious problem with certain law of return cases from Russia.

Of course, the vast majority of Russian immigrants to Israel were actually Jewish. Even amongst those who weren't the majority are hard working and law abiding.

However, some portion of utter thugs managed to convince the government that they had a Jewish grandmother or some such and they were let in too.

As a direct result, organized crime, prostitution and drug smuggling went through the roof and actual neo-Nazis made their first appearances in Israel.

237 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:42:09pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

I LOVE watermelon.

That still doesn't mean I want to see a photoshop of the first black president chomping down on one.

he is more of a burger kinda guy...

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:42:15pm

re: #219 brookly red

I love yah kid but I am not picking my stocks on your say so... ;)

I make no recommendations.

Actually, I make one. If I ever say I am going to Europe, ask when, 'cause that will be the week the dollar dives.

239 MinisterO  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:42:44pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think he cares. I think that if black people paid him enough to spend hours tickling their funny bones about how stupid white people are, he would do that in a heartbeat.

His doing that would not improve my general opinion of him. Nor would it make it much worse.

His listeners love that he hates the same people they hate. He could expand, hate more people, but I doubt he could ever stop hating anyone.

240 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:43:51pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

I make no recommendations.

Actually, I make one. If I ever say I am going to Europe, ask when, 'cause that will be the week the dollar dives.

/ your going to Europe with George Soros? Does hubby know?

241 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:44:07pm

re: #225 brookly red

well as long as gold keeps going up I don't see that happening...

It is a bubble based on perception. At the first panic, everyone who got in later will lose their shirt. I simply do not understand how people keep doing the same stupid shit over and over.

242 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:44:46pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

I make no recommendations.

Actually, I make one. If I ever say I am going to Europe, ask when, 'cause that will be the week the dollar dives.

GM

243 researchok  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:46:15pm

OT, this push back against airport security screenings is getting out of hand.

In the event of a terror attack that occurs because security screenings were watered down, all burial costs and other related expenses be paid by those demanding and suing for lesser security.

We can start to with John Tyner.

244 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:46:54pm

re: #234 brookly red

ah the standards employed by some in this thread.

Freshman!

Why are you "brookly" anyway? :-)

245 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:47:01pm

re: #243 researchok

OT, this push back against airport security screenings is getting out of hand.

In the event of a terror attack that occurs because security screenings were watered down, all burial costs and other related expenses be paid by those demanding and suing for lesser security.

We can start to with John Tyner.

I say we start with Matt Drudge.

246 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:47:19pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

I LOVE watermelon.

That still doesn't mean I want to see a photoshop of the first black president chomping down on one.

They make slurs fully knowing what they are. That is bad enough. The phony playing innocent afterwards adds insult to injury.

247 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:47:27pm

re: #241 LudwigVanQuixote

It is a bubble based on perception. At the first panic, everyone who got in later will lose their shirt. I simply do not understand how people keep doing the same stupid shit over and over.

I agree... I bought gold at 6,7,8 hundred an ounce. sooner or later it will start to drop. But as long as we are printing worthless money I think I am OK.

248 fraxinus americana  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:47:41pm

re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow I post 6 words and you come up with all that? Nice imagination there sunshine.

[Link: www.treehugger.com...]

I know it isn't actually a video but it does give the basics.
Sorry not really familiar on how Christians weep.

249 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:47:53pm

re: #244 Sergey Romanov

Why are you "brookly" anyway? :-)

The " " was broke o his keyboard.

/

250 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:48:00pm
This guy is an utter wrecking ball all by himself on the world stage to the point now of getting embarrassing.

Vast chunks of the world don't seem to agree.

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

251 researchok  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:48:04pm

re: #245 Gus 802

I say we start with Matt Drudge.

My comment stands corrected. Thank you.

The hysteria promoted by Drudge is a real outrage.

252 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:50:07pm

re: #244 Sergey Romanov

Why are you "brookly" anyway? :-)

cause I did something stupid and got my n chopped off... and that is why I am so cool, I admit when I am wrong- learn from your elders.

253 JRCMYP  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:50:14pm

Please, someone, help. My jaw has hit the floor permanently and I don't think I can hoist it back up on my own.

254 researchok  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:50:30pm

re: #241 LudwigVanQuixote

It is a bubble based on perception. At the first panic, everyone who got in later will lose their shirt. I simply do not understand how people keep doing the same stupid shit over and over.

There are encyclopedias that have been written on that very topic.

The Grand Canyon of Stupid is breathtaking.

255 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:51:31pm

re: #253 JRCMYP

Please, someone, help. My jaw has hit the floor permanently and I don't think I can hoist it back up on my own.

what no gubermit program for that?

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:52:11pm

re: #252 brookly red

cause I did something stupid and got my n chopped off... and that is why I am so cool, I admit when I am wrong- learn from your elders.

So this is you!

Youtube Video

It's an honor to meet you!

:)

257 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:52:37pm

I just participated in a full on rant about Medicaid, Medicare, that N-word Obama, China buying our country, secession is the answer, that Bush never authorized any type of bailout, Sarah Palin is a godsend (and smarter than that N-Obama), and Muslims are killing us - here - in the US.

The good news: my dad is still kicking. The bad news: still watching Fox news, still a fan of Rush and Beck, gloating about that N-word Rangle, and a now pro neo-confederate. (Lincoln was a prick.)

I guess I "picked the wrong week to stop smoking." Seriously, are there support groups for people whose parents have gone kinda wonky? This makes me feel awful. There are fewer and fewer talks about the weather, and more and more crazy. Can't stomach it.

258 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:54:34pm

re: #256 Sergey Romanov

So this is you!


[Video]

It's an honor to meet you!

:)

no I think that is Ludwig... :)

259 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:54:50pm

re: #257 theheat

I just participated in a full on rant about Medicaid, Medicare, that N-word Obama, China buying our country, secession is the answer, that Bush never authorized any type of bailout, Sarah Palin is a godsend (and smarter than that N-Obama), and Muslims are killing us - here - in the US.

The good news: my dad is still kicking. The bad news: still watching Fox news, still a fan of Rush and Beck, gloating about that N-word Rangle, and a now pro neo-confederate. (Lincoln was a prick.)

I guess I "picked the wrong week to stop smoking." Seriously, are there support groups for people whose parents have gone kinda wonky? This makes me feel awful. There are fewer and fewer talks about the weather, and more and more crazy. Can't stomach it.

Your support group is the local chapter of the Democratic party.

260 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:55:40pm

Dick Cheney made a public appearance today.

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

More here:

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

261 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:56:17pm

re: #259 wozzablog

They don't even answer their phone. Not even kidding. I've tried different days, different times of the day; it's like they're hiding.

262 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:56:17pm

re: #257 theheat

I just participated in a full on rant about Medicaid, Medicare, that N-word Obama, China buying our country, secession is the answer, that Bush never authorized any type of bailout, Sarah Palin is a godsend (and smarter than that N-Obama), and Muslims are killing us - here - in the US.

The good news: my dad is still kicking. The bad news: still watching Fox news, still a fan of Rush and Beck, gloating about that N-word Rangle, and a now pro neo-confederate. (Lincoln was a prick.)

I guess I "picked the wrong week to stop smoking." Seriously, are there support groups for people whose parents have gone kinda wonky? This makes me feel awful. There are fewer and fewer talks about the weather, and more and more crazy. Can't stomach it.


Sorry to hear that. I have seen more and more discussion among lizards regarding elderly parents and Fox. It sounds like a tough problem.

263 JRCMYP  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:56:38pm

re: #113 fraxinus americana

Reading this thread, point taken Rush.

Well, frASSinux, I'm pretty firmly in the center. And I'm getting pretty fucking fed up with the Archie Bunker routine on the right. The left has it's own issues, but the racist bullshit from the right? It kinda stands alone like a blinking neon light that needs to be unplugged. Immediately.

264 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:56:53pm

re: #251 researchok

My comment stands corrected. Thank you.

The hysteria promoted by Drudge is a real outrage.

9 BILLION hits... just sayin

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:56:57pm

re: #257 theheat

I just participated in a full on rant about Medicaid, Medicare, that N-word Obama, China buying our country, secession is the answer, that Bush never authorized any type of bailout, Sarah Palin is a godsend (and smarter than that N-Obama), and Muslims are killing us - here - in the US.

The good news: my dad is still kicking. The bad news: still watching Fox news, still a fan of Rush and Beck, gloating about that N-word Rangle, and a now pro neo-confederate. (Lincoln was a prick.)

I guess I "picked the wrong week to stop smoking." Seriously, are there support groups for people whose parents have gone kinda wonky? This makes me feel awful. There are fewer and fewer talks about the weather, and more and more crazy. Can't stomach it.

I'm so sorry. At least you can track the origins of all his new ideas here...or does that just make it worse?

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:57:01pm

Hmm, does he have something oncological?

267 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:57:19pm

re: #257 theheat

If there is, Sign me up, if not I'll not only be a member but president. Been dealing with the same thing with my folks since Bush was elected and they've only gotten nuttier the more they watch Fox. My mother loves Beck and thinks Palin is a role model. My father has the TV programmed so whenever you turn it on the first channel it goes to is Fox and he has a TV in every room. When that's not on he has Rush on while at the computer.

All I can talk about with them is the weather and mundane shit because the second it turns to politics all hell breaks loose.

268 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:57:34pm

re: #264 brookly red

9 BILLION hits... just sayin

Alex Jones...just sayin.

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:57:40pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

Hmm, does he have something oncological?

Cheney, that is. Looks unhealthily thin.

270 JRCMYP  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:58:14pm

re: #255 brookly red

what no gubermit program for that?

Are you seriously trying to bait me, or are you just totally tone deaf?

271 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:58:41pm

re: #269 Sergey Romanov

Cheney, that is. Looks unhealthily thin.

Heart pump. He's waiting for a transplant I think.

272 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:58:49pm

re: #261 theheat

They don't even answer their phone. Not even kidding. I've tried different days, different times of the day; it's like they're hiding.

Keep persevering. Democrats aren't an endangered species (much as some people here may tell you).


;)

273 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:59:07pm

re: #270 JRCMYP

Are you seriously trying to bait me, or are you just totally tone deaf?

neither... I just am a jerky like that.

274 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:59:16pm

re: #248 fraxinus americana

Wow I post 6 words and you come up with all that? Nice imagination there sunshine.

[Link: www.treehugger.com...]

I know it isn't actually a video but it does give the basics.
Sorry not really familiar on how Christians weep.

Well I will give you a pass then. Here is a hint though, Jesus was really into doing charitable acts towards the poor and not so into mocking them. In fact he had this whole sermon about people like Rush having a real hard time making G-d happy.

But it is cool you don't know that.

I'm not Christian either. I had to do some research, because after all, it is very hard in this nation to find references to the ethical teachings of Christ.

That said though, your post doesn't make much sense. Are you trying to say that some really whacked out moonbat site is a guide that poor people should use to find food? Do homeless people have internet?

Or is your point that it is fitting to them that they should have to do something so degrading?

Or are you saying that now that you have some idea what Jesus might say about such an attitude, that maybe he would approve of making poor people dumpster dive and that is funny ha ha?

Or are you saying that I have this utterly wrong impression about "ohhh so Christian" Rush, who is working on what his forth wife and eight mistress, being not such a good Christian after all, because Jesus would be down with thinking that poor people dumpster diving is funny and be all for adultery?

It is true. I am not a Christian and the "Christian" faith of someone like Rush or any who agree with him, is considered pure evil by my own. Really, I wrote a giant post about how the GOP is utterly evil by he standards of my own faith. I always thought hat Christians had the same standards. Perhaps I am missing something that you could explain.

275 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:59:49pm

Just up in pages:
S/Sgt Salvatore Giunta receives Medal of Honor in White House ceremony.

This is the first MoH awarded to a living person for an action since the Vietnam war.

276 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 3:59:50pm

re: #271 Gus 802

Heart pump. He's waiting for a transplant I think.

I would give him yours, in a heartbeat ;)

277 JRCMYP  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:00:08pm

re: #273 brookly red

neither... I just am a jerky like that.

I'll go with tone deaf and call it a night.

278 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:00:38pm

re: #251 researchok

My comment stands corrected. Thank you.

The hysteria promoted by Drudge is a real outrage.

Interesting... Drudge may have "started" it, but it has been picked up by many other news outlets, and the discussion has mitigated from the wackos to half-way intelligent debate on the subject.

None of the security measures bother me, but the concern is not just from the Alex Jones team anymore... it's become an issue that has genuine pros and cons.

279 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:00:40pm

re: #267 Dreggas

All hell did break loose, and now I feel like the biggest asshole POS in the world. I can only internalize so much. I can only deflect a conversation so much. Once the N word starts to fly, usually followed by something about gays, secession, and that effing B Hillary, I lose it.

WTF. I'm calling my neighbor (the only Dem I know for miles). She's a wine nut. I need a drink.

280 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:00:43pm

re: #276 brookly red

I would give him yours, in a heartbeat ;)

Thwack! /

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:01:21pm

My most beloved late grandmother once got into a rant, while we were out in public, about how black people were taking over the earth or something. She decided to give full voice to this in that most liberal of bastions, A Clean Well-Lighted Place For Books, in San Francisco. I still recall trailing her up and down aisles, trying to distract her from her full-throated complaint about how black people got everything, and got away with everything, and were on the covers of all of these books.

I still have incredible gratitude to the young black man who smiled sympathetically at me as we scooted by.

This is a woman who did some really actually brave things for racial equality, at a time when it was not popular. But when people get older, a lot of stuff comes up and out that younger, more mentally acute people keep in.

282 researchok  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:01:48pm

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

Well I will give you a pass then. Here is a hint though, Jesus was really into doing charitable acts towards the poor and not so into mocking them. In fact he had this whole sermon about people like Rush having a real hard time making G-d happy.

But it is cool you don't know that.

I'm not Christian either. I had to do some research, because after all, it is very hard in this nation to find references to the ethical teachings of Christ.

That said though, your post doesn't make much sense. Are you trying to say that some really whacked out moonbat site is a guide that poor people should use to find food? Do homeless people have internet?

Or is your point that it is fitting to them that they should have to do something so degrading?

Or are you saying that now that you have some idea what Jesus might say about such an attitude, that maybe he would approve of making poor people dumpster dive and that is funny ha ha?

Or are you saying that I have this utterly wrong impression about "ohhh so Christian" Rush, who is working on what his forth wife and eight mistress, being not such a good Christian after all, because Jesus would be down with thinking that poor people dumpster diving is funny and be all for adultery?

It is true. I am not a Christian and the "Christian" faith of someone like Rush or any who agree with him, is considered pure evil by my own. Really, I wrote a giant post about how the GOP is utterly evil by he standards of my own faith. I always thought hat Christians had the same standards. Perhaps I am missing something that you could explain.

As a matter of clarification, Jesus was a Jew.

Christianity came later.

Just sayin'.

283 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:02:16pm

re: #248 fraxinus americana

Ohh and hi. Did you guys ever notice that when one of us tweaks you guys enough, it forces you to burn your old socks ;)

It really wasn't me. But I love that you made a whole thread thinking it was!

284 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:02:46pm

re: #267 Dreggas

If there is, Sign me up, if not I'll not only be a member but president. Been dealing with the same thing with my folks since Bush was elected and they've only gotten nuttier the more they watch Fox. My mother loves Beck and thinks Palin is a role model. My father has the TV programmed so whenever you turn it on the first channel it goes to is Fox and he has a TV in every room. When that's not on he has Rush on while at the computer.

All I can talk about with them is the weather and mundane shit because the second it turns to politics all hell breaks loose.

i don't know what to think anymore. i'm kind of resigned to the idea that politics in the future will be about regular gop and tea party fighting it out while the rest of us watch

fortunately for me, i am well insulated in california, where, contrary to wingnut belief, we are still doing very well

imagine that you are a beat intellectual living in the 50s and listening to everybody get upset about communists taking over the dining room... nothing for it, garnisht helfen...

285 recusancy  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:03:37pm

re: #214 Gus 802

Speaking of which. The wingnuts made sure to point out the racist reference when Rick Sanchez of CNN call Obama a "cotton picking president". As did others but they went out of their way in tu quoque form.

Don't forget about when Lou Dobbs called Condi that.

Youtube Video
286 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:04:39pm

re: #285 recusancy

Don't forget about when Lou Dobbs called Condi that.

[Video]

Ouch! Ow! Ow, ow!

287 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:05:06pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

My mom wants to use the friend of ours that does yard work, because I've been singing his praises for a couple years. He's black. Looks like Yaphet Kotto. I told her I wouldn't do that to him. I didn't want to subject him to some offhand horrible comment my dad might make, and feel like I had to apologize to him forever, while explaining I'm not like that.

Which is too bad, 'cuz they could use the help. Their yard looks like poop.

288 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:05:40pm

re: #279 theheat

I can sympathize. I sometimes want nothing more than to unload but for my mothers sake I don't. It's not easy but some days I just want to tell them to get their heads out of their asses, turn off fox and rush, and go see what is going on in the real world.

The only consolation is they live in NY which is becoming pretty solidly blue so their votes aren't as important (sad to think that but it is what it is).

289 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:05:52pm

re: #284 engineer dog

i don't know what to think anymore. i'm kind of resigned to the idea that politics in the future will be about regular gop and tea party fighting it out while the rest of us watch

fortunately for me, i am well insulated in california, where, contrary to wingnut belief, we are still doing very well

imagine that you are a beat intellectual living in the 50s and listening to everybody get upset about communists taking over the dining room... nothing for it, garnisht helfen...

eehhh, excuse me if I don't buy yer bonds...

290 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:06:17pm

re: #282 researchok

As a matter of clarification, Jesus was a Jew.

Christianity came later.

Just sayin'.

Shhhh... don't confuse him.

If he catches on that not only was Jesus a Jew, but the sort of Jew who wandered around the land with a bunch of other long haired guys, preaching peace and love, and that you really need to be nice to poor people, it might cause him to have a stroke.

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:06:32pm

re: #285 recusancy

Don't forget about when Lou Dobbs called Condi that.

[Video]

There were a few moments during the Bush administration when Condi could have pulled out a machine gun from under her perfectly fitted black trench coat and blown a few folks away, and I for one, would not have objected.

In fact, I would have bought my father the poster for Christmas.

292 recusancy  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:06:48pm

re: #286 brookly red

Ouch! Ow! Ow, ow!

??

293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:07:13pm

re: #284 engineer dog

fortunately for me, i am well insulated in california, where, contrary to wingnut belief, we are still doing very well

that's one of the reasons I came here to Cali. Where I lived was really bad, small town, all white, very prejudiced, town controlled mostly by talibaptists. I mean I still like to visit once in a while but I am so glad when I get back here.

294 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:07:14pm

re: #241 LudwigVanQuixote

It is a bubble based on perception. At the first panic, everyone who got in later will lose their shirt. I simply do not understand how people keep doing the same stupid shit over and over.

I used to think that too, that gold couldn't go any higher. And higher it went. Here's the snag: many mines are playing out. China and India, both with many civilians who cannot depend on their government to provide for them in their old age, and whose families are small enough that that won't work either, are big markets for gold. The buying power of these people is surging.

In purchasing power parity terms, China is already nearly the economic equal of the U.S. Gold might drop 50% but it's not going to just up and collapse.

///Not until the fabulous gold mines of Antarctica can be brought into production. Right now the ice is in the way but that'll clear up in a few centuries. ///

295 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:07:24pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm really starting to dread with my mom. She's still doing ok but I have noticed a considerable decline in her mental capacity over the past year. I keep hoping it's a passing event but I do think it might be the start of a slow and steady decline. Ugh. I am so not looking forward to this.

296 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:07:27pm

re: #285 recusancy

Don't forget about when Lou Dobbs called Condi that.

[Video]

Soon to be on Fox News. He's such a weirdo.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:07:31pm

re: #287 theheat

My mom wants to use the friend of ours that does yard work, because I've been singing his praises for a couple years. He's black. Looks like Yaphet Kotto. I told her I wouldn't do that to him. I didn't want to subject him to some offhand horrible comment my dad might make, and feel like I had to apologize to him forever, while explaining I'm not like that.

Which is too bad, 'cuz they could use the help. Their yard looks like poop.

Could he maybe come by while your father was at a long doctor's appointment or something? (Had to look up Yaphet Kotto.)

298 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:08:22pm

re: #288 Dreggas

I can sympathize. I sometimes want nothing more than to unload but for my mothers sake I don't. It's not easy but some days I just want to tell them to get their heads out of their asses, turn off fox and rush, and go see what is going on in the real world.

The only consolation is they live in NY which is becoming pretty solidly blue so their votes aren't as important (sad to think that but it is what it is).

tell me about it... a state that lives & dies on wall street blue? and yet it is the gop that is in bed with goldman sachs... please spare me, spare us all.

299 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:09:10pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

Nope, he can't leave the house for very long at a time, and has to be driven when he does go, then come back ASAP. Mr. Heat and I have tried to figure out a way around it, but it ain't happening.

300 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:09:42pm

re: #294 lostlakehiker

I used to think that too, that gold couldn't go any higher. And higher it went. Here's the snag: many mines are playing out. China and India, both with many civilians who cannot depend on their government to provide for them in their old age, and whose families are small enough that that won't work either, are big markets for gold. The buying power of these people is surging.

In purchasing power parity terms, China is already nearly the economic equal of the U.S. Gold might drop 50% but it's not going to just up and collapse.

///Not until the fabulous gold mines of Antarctica can be brought into production. Right now the ice is in the way but that'll clear up in a few centuries. ///

Nah you are forgetting all the giant gold reserves in America and held by other little nations. The second one of them gets greedy and sells, it all comes down.

301 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:09:54pm

re: #298 brookly red

tell me about it... a state that lives & dies on wall street blue? and yet it is the gop that is in bed with goldman sachs... please spare me, spare us all.

Ssssshhh... careful... you'll spill all the beans and burst their fantasy bubble.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:09:55pm

re: #299 theheat

Nope, he can't leave the house for very long at a time, and has to be driven when he does go, then come back ASAP. Mr. Heat and I have tried to figure out a way around it, but it ain't happening.

Dang.

303 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:10:08pm

re: #298 brookly red

NY politics has been screwed up for a while. California is not much better but there are times when I am soooo glad I moved here rather than staying there.

304 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:10:39pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout

I'm really starting to dread with my mom. She's still doing ok but I have noticed a considerable decline in her mental capacity over the past year. I keep hoping it's a passing event but I do think it might be the start of a slow and steady decline. Ugh. I am so not looking forward to this.

I am so sorry to hear that.

Respectful advice. Say what you need to say to her NOW.

305 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:10:40pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout

On a good note, maybe those of us that went through it might have the kinks ironed out by then. But I doubt it.

306 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:11:19pm

re: #289 brookly red

eehhh, excuse me if I don't buy yer bonds...

i'll let you know if the annual california state budget crisis ever changes the weather, scenery, or our several world leading industries

307 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:13:07pm

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

Sssshhh... careful... you'll spill all the beans and burst their fantasy bubble.

read my handle : harshing delusional mellows in service to mankind.

308 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:14:03pm

re: #306 engineer dog

i'll let you know if the annual california state budget crisis ever changes the weather, scenery, or our several world leading industries

How's that working...

Solar company Solyndra to close factory, cut jobs

November 3, 2010 | 6:28 pm
It isn’t easy being green for Solyndra Inc., the controversial Bay Area solar power system manufacturing company.

The company said Wednesday that it is shuttering one of its factories to save $60 million in capital expenditures, laying off 40 employees and letting the contracts for more than 100 temporary workers expire.

All this despite a $535-million federal loan guarantee, more than $1 billion in private equity funds and supportive visits from luminaries such as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Energy Secretary Steven Chu and President Barack Obama.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

309 friarstale  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:14:14pm

re: #9 engineer dog

the right thinks obama is a communist, the left thinks he's a republican - the poor man can't catch a break

lol, this is so true
it's tough to try to govern from the center, everyone hates you

Obama is not doing that bad a job, considering the cards he was dealt
it's a difficult time for any party

in my opinion, we have reached Keynes' "long run"

deficit spending was seen as a bad thing, because in the long run it would lead to a difficult day of reckoning, when the bills would have to be paid, but, Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead"

well, here we are at the end of the long run
Keynes is dead, but we, the living are stuck figuring out how to pay the bills now that our manufacturing base has left the country for cheaper labor countries

The PIGS are going bankrupt first, but all the western democracies who have been running their countries in continual deficit spending may fall into the same hard times

what will they do?

and it can't be blamed on one man, or on one party

310 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:14:19pm

re: #283 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh and Chen, I personally don't really get into such games, but it is plain as day when it pans out. That is the kung fu. You will learn grasshopper. You have been outclassed from the start. You see the people on your team are too stupid to police their own instincts.

311 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:14:30pm

re: #300 LudwigVanQuixote

Nah you are forgetting all the giant gold reserves in America and held by other little nations. The second one of them gets greedy and sells, it all comes down.

If the U.S. sells the gold reserves of Ft. Knox, it'll be out of desperation not market savvy. We had our chance to buy oil and fill the strategic petroleum reserve, when oil was in the vicinity of $40 an ounce. We stopped purchasing because we needed to "economize".

I suppose maybe Ireland will sell its gold, if it has any. A few tons one way or the other is a drop in the bucket. India and China can mop up little spills of gold in a trice.

You could be right. If you're shorting gold, though, you're a brave man.

312 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:14:32pm

re: #306 engineer dog

i'll let you know if the annual california state budget crisis ever changes the weather, scenery, or our several world leading industries

fine you buy the bonds... I am into silver these days.

313 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:16:50pm

re: #298 brookly red

tell me about it... a state that lives & dies on wall street blue? and yet it is the gop that is in bed with goldman sachs... please spare me, spare us all.

the obama administration is practically run by goldman sachs graduates as well, so i'm not sure where to turn on that one. they inherited most of them from the bush/halliburton administration

have you guys ever read any histories of america in era of the guilded age through WWI? i'd advise it...

314 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:17:38pm

re: #308 Walter L. Newton

How's that working...

Solar company Solyndra to close factory, cut jobs

November 3, 2010 | 6:28 pm
It isn’t easy being green for Solyndra Inc., the controversial Bay Area solar power system manufacturing company.

The company said Wednesday that it is shuttering one of its factories to save $60 million in capital expenditures, laying off 40 employees and letting the contracts for more than 100 temporary workers expire.

All this despite a $535-million federal loan guarantee, more than $1 billion in private equity funds and supportive visits from luminaries such as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Energy Secretary Steven Chu and President Barack Obama.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

Yea..... I've been here a "few" years now... it's sad, but CA is broken.

315 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:18:20pm

Neighbor's phone is busy. Damn, I'm ready to get my drink on. Just for kicks I tried calling my local Dems again. MIA.

316 recusancy  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:18:36pm

re: #309 friarstale

The "long run" was about inflation and government intervention in the matter. Not deficit spending.

317 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:19:07pm

re: #313 engineer dog

the obama administration is practically run by goldman sachs graduates as well, so i'm not sure where to turn on that one. they inherited most of them from the bush/halliburton administration

have you guys ever read any histories of america in era of the guilded age through WWI? i'd advise it...

well like I said before Limbaugh & Roads work for the same team... are you starting to get it now?

318 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:19:11pm

re: #312 brookly red

fine you buy the bonds... I am into silver these days.

i don't know anybody who buys state bonds

i bought a house here, and it is still worth considerably more than i paid for it - how many states can make that claim?

and it's a lot more useful than silver, gold, or wall st stocks

319 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:19:31pm

Pat-down techniques would have caught Christmas bomber, TSA chief says

“If we have an individual who opts out of the advanced imaging technology, let’s say Abdulmutallab … had opted out, thinking [he’s] not going to receive a thorough pat-down so [he could] get on that flight, and if that had been successful on Christmas Day, I think we might be having a different dialogue this afternoon and in the public."


Why do wingnuts hate America?

320 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:19:36pm

re: #317 brookly red

well like I said before Limbaugh & Roads work for the same team... are you starting to get it now?

are you?

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:19:44pm

re: #317 brookly red

well like I said before Limbaugh & Roads work for the same team... are you starting to get it now?

The team of asshole radio talk-show hosts?

322 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:20:27pm

Is there a way to see see all the comments I've made on some topic and replies made to my comments? It's probably a faq, but I couldn't find anywhere to rtfm on this. I could of course try making fancy google queries, or write a comment crawler, but I'm hoping there's an easier way to find out who I was conversing with on a string-pattern topic within a given date range :)

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

323 fraxinus americana  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:20:30pm

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

Why explain? With your 2 posts to me you seem to be projecting oh so well. But hey as long as we are just degrading that 'fat fuck' Rush on this thread then by all means keep degrading.

324 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:21:27pm

re: #322 yasharki

Is there a way to see see all the comments I've made on some topic and replies made to my comments? It's probably a faq, but I couldn't find anywhere to rtfm on this. I could of course try making fancy google queries, or write a comment crawler, but I'm hoping there's an easier way to find out who I was conversing with on a string-pattern topic within a given date range :)

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

Scroll down..... you can subscribe for emails.

325 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:21:32pm

re: #318 engineer dog

i don't know anybody who buys state bonds

i bought a house here, and it is still worth considerably more than i paid for it - how many states can make that claim?

and it's a lot more useful than silver, gold, or wall st stocks

maybe... can you put it in a backpac & split?

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:22:02pm

re: #323 fraxinus americana

Why explain? With your 2 posts to me you seem to be projecting oh so well. But hey as long as we are just degrading that 'fat fuck' Rush on this thread then by all means keep degrading.

Seriously, are you mad at the tone people are taking, or do you actually feel that Rush Limbaugh is defensible as anything more admirable than a rather nasty entertainer who says some really ugly shit on a regular basis?

327 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:22:11pm

re: #322 yasharki

Is there a way to see see all the comments I've made on some topic and replies made to my comments? It's probably a faq, but I couldn't find anywhere to rtfm on this. I could of course try making fancy google queries, or write a comment crawler, but I'm hoping there's an easier way to find out who I was conversing with on a string-pattern topic within a given date range :)

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

----> right. LOL

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:22:43pm

re: #325 brookly red

maybe... can you put it in a backpac & split?

When the angry populace, deprived of their entitlements, rise up, or when the oceans do?

329 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:23:08pm

Glenn Beck discusses architecture again....
Beck compares photo of EU building to illustration of Tower of Babel: "This is amazing"
Fox News: fair and balanced breaking biblical events.
4,000 year old stories and how they effect you today.

330 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:23:20pm

re: #324 Mr Pancakes

I guess I could use this going forward, but that's not what I was asking about.

331 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:23:27pm

re: #322 yasharki

Is there a way to see see all the comments I've made on some topic and replies made to my comments? It's probably a faq, but I couldn't find anywhere to rtfm on this. I could of course try making fancy google queries, or write a comment crawler, but I'm hoping there's an easier way to find out who I was conversing with on a string-pattern topic within a given date range :)

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

In the top search box type:
user:yasharki

See how you go

332 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:23:28pm

re: #317 brookly red

well like I said before Limbaugh & Roads work for the same team... are you starting to get it now?

Rhodes is a republican pundit who can compel Republican politicians to apologize to her on the air?

Wow, didn't know that

333 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:23:48pm

re: #330 yasharki

I guess I could use this going forward, but that's not what I was asking about.

Sorry.... that's the best I could offer.

334 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:24:26pm

re: #325 brookly red

maybe... can you put it in a backpac & split?

can you sleep in your silver and keep warm? eat it for dinner?

335 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:24:27pm

re: #323 fraxinus americana

Why explain? With your 2 posts to me you seem to be projecting oh so well. But hey as long as we are just degrading that 'fat fuck' Rush on this thread then by all means keep degrading.

another sleeper lightweight

how long will you last before wandering back to Freeperville?

336 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:24:55pm

re: #332 WindUpBird

Rhodes is a republican pundit who can compel Republican politicians to apologize to her on the air?

Wow, didn't know that

Now you mention it - i had a great article linked and ready to go about how many Democratic leaders had grovellingly apologised to her for just calling her an entertainer.

It literally runs to a list of..............

337 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:24:56pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck discusses architecture again...
Beck compares photo of EU building to illustration of Tower of Babel: "This is amazing"
Fox News: fair and balanced breaking biblical events.
4,000 year old stories and how they effect you today.

And this is why I like to bash them on what the Bible actually says.

As to the tower of Babel, truthfully, the modern monolithic media entity known as Fox would be a much better example.

338 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:25:11pm

re: #309 friarstale

Our manufacturing base hasn't left the country. We have more manufacturing capacity than ever.

What has left is manufacturing jobs. We've automated the hell out of manufacturing.

There's a huge difference.

339 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:25:38pm

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

When the angry populace, deprived of their entitlements, rise up, or when the oceans do?

My father left Germany in 36 with some gold chains in the false bottom of a steamer trunk. Take your pick...

340 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:25:44pm

re: #336 wozzablog

Now you mention it - i had a great article linked and ready to go about how many Democratic leaders had grovellingly apologised to her for just calling her an entertainer.

It literally runs to a list of...

Oh man it's so breathtakingly huge my brain just can't comprehend it, that must be why I can't see it

341 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:25:55pm

re: #309 friarstale

lol, this is so true
it's tough to try to govern from the center, everyone hates you

Obama is not doing that bad a job, considering the cards he was dealt
it's a difficult time for any party

in my opinion, we have reached Keynes' "long run"

deficit spending was seen as a bad thing, because in the long run it would lead to a difficult day of reckoning, when the bills would have to be paid, but, Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead"

well, here we are at the end of the long run
Keynes is dead, but we, the living are stuck figuring out how to pay the bills now that our manufacturing base has left the country for cheaper labor countries

The PIGS are going bankrupt first, but all the western democracies who have been running their countries in continual deficit spending may fall into the same hard times

what will they do?

and it can't be blamed on one man, or on one party

Our manufacturing base has not left. The U.S. share of world manufacturing sits at 19 percent. We are 25% of the world's economy overall, or 20% rated by purchasing power parity. Our manufacturing sector, as a share of our whole economy, is thus only somewhat underweighted compared to the world average.

It's not a bad thing that we make a somewhat larger share of our overall income from agriculture, (in the U.S., a high-tech operation despite its traditional reputation as humble work), from design, from software, fashion, and even financial services.

342 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:26:09pm

re: #331 ozbloke

In the top search box type:
user:yasharki

See how you go

Thank you very much! This is exactly what I was looking for.

343 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:26:26pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck discusses architecture again...
Beck compares photo of EU building to illustration of Tower of Babel: "This is amazing"
Fox News: fair and balanced breaking biblical events.
4,000 year old stories and how they effect you today.

Visited there this summer, didn't look even a bit like any tower. Although come to think of it... inside you can get brochures in dozens of languages... that means... SOOOOROOOOOS!

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:26:45pm

re: #339 brookly red

My father left Germany in 36 with some gold chains in the false bottom of a steamer trunk. Take your pick...

Point taken, but I thought the issue was the state of California, not what investments are most suited for running with.

345 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:27:27pm

re: #342 yasharki

Thank you very much! This is exactly what I was looking for.

あなたは歓迎されて

346 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:27:59pm

re: #345 ozbloke

あなたは歓迎&# 12373;れて

Apologies, Japanese doesn't go well

347 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:28:26pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Point taken, but I thought the issue was the state of California, not what investments are most suited for running with.

sometimes things look the same to those with eyes let them see...

348 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:28:28pm

re: #346 ozbloke

Apologies, Japanese doesn't go well

I tried to click on that and Hello Kitty punched me

349 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:29:26pm

re: #323 fraxinus americana

Why explain? With your 2 posts to me you seem to be projecting oh so well. But hey as long as we are just degrading that 'fat fuck' Rush on this thread then by all means keep degrading.

On the contrary, I have been making some very strong points about that fat bastard Rush.

I have pointed out that for a man who speaks to so many "Christians" he has a very un-Christian view towards helping the poor and marital fidelity.

I have pointed out that by the standard of actual Abrahamic religion, he is actually an evil pig.

I have pointed out that his shameless race baiting is bad enough, but his smirking plays at innocence are just insulting to the intelligence and fool no one. They don't fool his listeners because he fuels their own hatreds and they hear him loud and clear. They don't even fool you.

I've also pointed out that you are a pretty lame troll.

What I am interested in is your response to these actual facts and an explanation of why you defend that evil bastard.

350 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:29:59pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Point taken, but I thought the issue was the state of California, not what investments are most suited for running with.

Germany in 36, being compared to California? was that a Godwin that just happened? :D

351 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:30:15pm

re: #347 brookly red

sometimes things look the same to those with eyes let them see...

i'm very interested to hear your predictions - in detail, of course - about the future of california

352 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:30:18pm

re: #348 WindUpBird

I tried to click on that and Hello Kitty punched me

/oh how can I answer in a PC kinda way?

353 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:30:19pm

re: #338 Obdicut

Our manufacturing base hasn't left the country. We have more manufacturing capacity than ever.

What has left is manufacturing jobs. We've automated the hell out of manufacturing.

There's a huge difference.

Oh... we have the capacity for sure. The problem is that the collective "we" only want to spend $40 for that DVD player instead of $400. I work for a company that is highly automated and is still about X2 the price of China per unit.

354 recusancy  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:30:45pm

re: #351 engineer dog

i'm very interested to hear your predictions - in detail, of course - about the future of california

WOLVERINES!

355 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:30:45pm

re: #322 yasharki

Is there a way to see see all the comments I've made on some topic and replies made to my comments? It's probably a faq, but I couldn't find anywhere to rtfm on this. I could of course try making fancy google queries, or write a comment crawler, but I'm hoping there's an easier way to find out who I was conversing with on a string-pattern topic within a given date range :)

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

cntrl+ f, type your name

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:31:15pm

re: #350 WindUpBird

Germany in 36, being compared to California? was that a Godwin that just happened? :D

Vaguer, I think.

357 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:31:19pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Point taken, but I thought the issue was the state of California, not what investments are most suited for running with.

When i think of that uniquely American can-do spirit, I think of putting all your money in precious metals and fleeing

358 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:31:27pm

re: #298 brookly red

tell me about it... a state that lives & dies on wall street blue? and yet it is the gop that is in bed with goldman sachs... please spare me, spare us all.

The statistics bear that out. But I have question. Why, after all the Democratic Party has done for Wall Street including help pass TARP are they portrayed as being "anti-capitalist" or "anti Wall Street"? If it wasn't for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's leadership GS stood the chance of going under had they not passed TARP.

359 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:31:32pm

I reached my local Dems, wonder of wonders. I reached my neighbor. Maybe I can breathe now.

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:31:41pm

re: #354 recusancy

WOLVERINES!

But wearing healing crystals.

361 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:32:00pm

re: #352 brookly red

/oh how can I answer in a PC kinda way?

depends if you know who badtz maru is

362 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:32:27pm

A new low for wingnuts. Drudge links to this fantasy about Obama's daughters enduring public sexual groping.....
Since the TSA molested my family, why doesn’t Obama volunteer to subject his family to the same security procedures?


The President and his family — preferably with DHS Secretary Janet “The system worked” Napolitano — should show up at Dulles or Reagan airport on a weekday with a camera crew in tow, as airport pat downs are typically done in full view of hundreds of travelers. All of America will to see the TSA handling the President’s crown jewels. Then a rubber-gloved federal agent will run his hands all over his wife and daughter’s privates while he watches. Then I want him to turn to the camera and tell all of America that this is no big deal and we should all be good citizens and comply with the necessary security procedures.
363 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:32:37pm

re: #357 WindUpBird

When i think of that uniquely American can-do spirit, I think of putting all your money in precious metals and fleeing

Nah, I kind of get that part. Not that I have any money, but when and if I do, I'll probably have a 'get the hell out of Dodge' stash.

I'd also like a house in California.

364 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:33:15pm

re: #351 engineer dog

i'm very interested to hear your predictions - in detail, of course - about the future of california

easy, they will continue to be fiscally irresponsible and the feds will bail them out, that will only go on for so long. In principal I won't buy their bonds, but to be honest I won't buy any state bonds.

365 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:33:23pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

A new low for wingnuts. Drudge links to this fantasy about Obama's daughters enduring public sexual groping...
Since the TSA molested my family, why doesn’t Obama volunteer to subject his family to the same security procedures?

Jesus H. Marshmallow.

366 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:33:24pm

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

Please see comment #342.

367 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:34:05pm

re: #358 Gus 802

My dad says they should have failed (denies 100% Bush participated in a bailout of any kind, for anybody), and we should secede. Just like that. Answer to all the problems: secede. And have Sarah Palin lead the new un-union.

You can't make shit up like this.

368 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:34:17pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

I love how they were for pat downs and screening before they were against it. FWIW I have never seen anyone patted down while going through security at the airport.

369 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:35:01pm

re: #358 Gus 802

The statistics bear that out. But I have question. Why, after all the Democratic Party has done for Wall Street including help pass TARP are they portrayed as being "anti-capitalist" or "anti Wall Street"? If it wasn't for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's leadership GS stood the chance of going under had they not passed TARP.

exactly... same circus different clowns. did you really think you would get change?

370 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:35:14pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

A new low for wingnuts. Drudge links to this fantasy about Obama's daughters enduring public sexual groping...
Since the TSA molested my family, why doesn’t Obama volunteer to subject his family to the same security procedures?

When people write something like that, they are trying to titillate a certain very mean spirit.

No doubt a bunch of little Nazis would love to grope those girls themselves just to "show" the president. Its disgusting.

371 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:35:30pm

re: #367 theheat

My dad says they should have failed (denies 100% Bush participated in a bailout of any kind, for anybody), and we should secede. Just like that. Answer to all the problems: secede. And have Sarah Palin lead the new un-union.

You can't make shit up like this.

That's the first time i've heard SP being touted as the next Jeff Davis........

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:35:38pm

re: #368 Dreggas

I love how they were for pat downs and screening before they were against it. FWIW I have never seen anyone patted down while going through security at the airport.

At the nice Catholic high school I worked at last year we patted the kids down before letting them into the dances.

373 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:35:50pm

Turns out Rush repeated all the BS:

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

Okay, all kinds of people are asking, "What do you mean poison?" I knew that was gonna get 'em. I knew. You go out and you call the Democrat Party poison. Even that some people don't want to hear. A lot of you are cheering it, don't misunderstand, I understand that. "But gosh, Rush, that's kind of harsh, calling Obama's presidency 'graffiti on the walls of history.'" What else would you call it? What else would you call this presidency? It's an absolute disaster. It's graffiti on the walls of history. We've got a veritable, in terms of experience, a juvenile delinquent here. We got the least qualified guy in any room he walks into. Public and private property is under assault. His own gang isn't making much of an effort to protect him. I mean you see some efforts in the media flailing away, but this is graffiti on the walls of American history.

It's like he is some kind of a mechanism, repeating one thing over and over.

Youtube Video
374 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:36:08pm

re: #368 Dreggas

I love how they were for pat downs and screening before they were against it. FWIW I have never seen anyone patted down while going through security at the airport.

I've had the wasteband check before and it's no big deal. There's just enough metal in the zipper of levis jeans to set off a metal detector if they really have it cranked up.

375 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:36:20pm

re: #367 theheat

My dad says they should have failed (denies 100% Bush participated in a bailout of any kind, for anybody), and we should secede. Just like that. Answer to all the problems: secede. And have Sarah Palin lead the new un-union.

You can't make shit up like this.

Really? I believe you. Some people think Obama signed TARP. But hey, I've got picture here to prove it. It was the workings of the Bush White House with Hank Paulson in charge.

376 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:36:38pm

re: #373 Sergey Romanov

He believes his own bullshit more when he hears it repeated. Even if he's the one repeating it.

377 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:36:42pm

re: #366 yasharki

Please see comment #342.

Hey fair enough. I typed my response while ozbloke typed his.

378 fraxinus americana  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:36:48pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

I was just taking his point on irritating the left. He seems to have accomplished that.

379 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:36:55pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

At the nice Catholic high school I worked at last year we patted the kids down before letting them into the dances.

patting down a teenage boy before he's about to dance with a teenage girl may um.............. ahem, yeah.

380 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:38:02pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

And again, somehow something that has been going on for years upon years is suddenly Obama's fault.

So much his fault that it's acceptable, somehow, to slobberingly imagine a 'rubber-gloved' person feeling up his daughters.

Goddamn disgusting.

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:38:03pm

re: #378 fraxinus americana

I was just taking his point on irritating the left. He seems to have accomplished that.

Well, I hope it was worth it, because he's made himself look like a pretty nasty guy in the bargain.

382 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:38:23pm

re: #375 Gus 802

I told my dad, "Then Google it!" He swears up and down Bush never participated in a bailout. I even said, "You're entitled to your own opinion - NOT your own facts. Look it up. It's there. It's everywhere. Just look."

383 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:38:37pm

re: #373 Sergey Romanov


It's like he is some kind of a mechanism, repeating one thing over and over.


That is how big lies work for little minds. We have seen this before. It is aways chilling to see it in action though, and downright painful to see in America.

384 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:39:18pm

re: #379 wozzablog

Sure, if teen's weren't packing heat to their dances.

385 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:39:58pm

re: #378 fraxinus americana

I was just taking his point on irritating the left. He seems to have accomplished that.

So you think there is nothing to be agitated about?

C'mon troll at least play a little. You are boring us.

386 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:40:02pm

re: #378 fraxinus americana

I was just taking his point on irritating the left. He seems to have accomplished that.

More like he's irritated everyone who doesn't like sniggering racism.

Hopefully that's a significant portion of the 'right' as well.

387 recusancy  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:40:03pm

re: #378 fraxinus americana

I was just taking his point on irritating the left. He seems to have accomplished that.

Yeah, it's funny how the left doesn't find racist dog whistling to be a great thing.

388 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:40:24pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

At some clubs they pat you down before letting you in. They even have metal detectors at the county fairs now. I mean we stared down the soviets, beat the nazis and in general have overcome any threat but we have to take our shoes off in the airport, it boggles my mind. So yes I do have to shake my head at the overzealous (and downright silly) actions that have been taken to keep us "safe".

What is required is vigilence by travellers and airliners. That being said, if these measures are really necessary (and during the bush years we were told they were or we were all gonna die) then why get so pissed about them now?

I know the answer, because it's a dem in office. Like I've said before, I remember when the right was all worked up over big brother and all of that, then they became big brother during the bush years. Now that they don't have the white house it's the same shit all over again.

389 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:40:34pm

re: #361 WindUpBird

depends if you know who badtz maru is

the stupid f'n penguin? dude I worked for Marvel, I don't get off on cartoons.

390 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:40:37pm

re: #386 Obdicut

More like he's irritated everyone who doesn't like sniggering racism.

Hopefully that's a significant portion of the 'right' as well.

Looking at voting patterns, probably not.

391 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:40:51pm

re: #384 yasharki

Sure, if teen's weren't packing heat to their dances.

That's a euphemism i never ventured to - now i wish i had.

392 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:41:40pm

re: #369 brookly red

exactly... same circus different clowns. did you really think you would get change?

I didn't vote for Obama. But, unlike others, I tend to look at the private sector more than the government. The Wall Street firms got their bail out and now it's time to payback and start investing in America and not on more hedge funds and speculative trading.

393 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:42:08pm

re: #364 brookly red

easy, they will continue to be fiscally irresponsible and the feds will bail them out, that will only go on for so long. In principal I won't buy their bonds, but to be honest I won't buy any state bonds.

you seem very interested in state finances. could you tell me whether ny state ran a deficit or profit in its state budget last year? how many states in the union were in the black in the past couple of years? since california continues to pay more into the federal treasury than it gets back in benefits, how did that compare tp the money they feds gave us in stimulus that was used to help with the state budget shortfall? i also heard that california was not the only state to recieve such help - did ny also get help with any budget shortfalls from the federal government? how about other states?

394 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:43:08pm

re: #390 LudwigVanQuixote

Looking at voting patterns, probably not.

looking at voting patterns I probably won't post much in 2012...

395 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:43:36pm

re: #379 wozzablog

well if they dance to close then the nuns could come along and seperate them while saying "Make room for the holy spirit".

(It sounds better when Mark and Brian say it on the morning show).

396 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:43:56pm

re: #236 LudwigVanQuixote

Israel has a serious problem with certain law of return cases from Russia.

Of course, the vast majority of Russian immigrants to Israel were actually Jewish. Even amongst those who weren't the majority are hard working and law abiding.

However, some portion of utter thugs managed to convince the government that they had a Jewish grandmother or some such and they were let in too.

As a direct result, organized crime, prostitution and drug smuggling went through the roof and actual neo-Nazis made their first appearances in Israel.

See? Grand Theft Auto IV causes crime.

397 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:44:26pm

re: #392 Gus 802

of course it is time to do that, which is why they won't and instead will do the same things all over again.

398 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:45:28pm

re: #393 engineer dog

you seem very interested in state finances. could you tell me whether ny state ran a deficit or profit in its state budget last year? how many states in the union were in the black in the past couple of years? since california continues to pay more into the federal treasury than it gets back in benefits, how did that compare tp the money they feds gave us in stimulus that was used to help with the state budget shortfall? i also heard that california was not the only state to recieve such help - did ny also get help with any budget shortfalls from the federal government? how about other states?

oh I am pretty sure we ran at a deficit... I won't buy NY bonds. I am pretty sure it will get worse too...

399 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:47:31pm

re: #392 Gus 802

I didn't vote for Obama. But, unlike others, I tend to look at the private sector more than the government. The Wall Street firms got their bail out and now it's time to payback and start investing in America and not on more hedge funds and speculative trading.

well gee, I am surprised by that & I kinda agree... perhaps we are closer than it seems...

400 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:47:46pm

re: #395 Dreggas

well if they dance to close then the nuns could come along and seperate them while saying "Make room for the holy spirit".

(It sounds better when Mark and Brian say it on the morning show).

Upding for "Mark and Brian".... been listening to them since the early 90's.

401 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:48:00pm

re: #397 Dreggas

of course it is time to do that, which is why they won't and instead will do the same things all over again.

Yep. Their goal, regardless of ideology, is to make a quick buck and therefore create another bubble that will eventually burst. The cycle of recessions will continue. Money being used to make money. Instead of using money to grow industry, businesses and jobs.

402 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:49:35pm

re: #401 Gus 802

Yep. Their goal, regardless of ideology, is to make a quick buck and therefore create another bubble that will eventually burst. The cycle of recessions will continue. Money being used to make money. Instead of using money to grow industry, businesses and jobs.

your are starting to sound reasonable to me...

who are you and what have you done with Gus?

403 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:49:44pm

re: #398 brookly red

oh I am pretty sure we ran at a deficit... I won't buy NY bonds. I am pretty sure it will get worse too...

I probably left a trail of my own DNA in Bath Beach.

//

404 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:50:11pm

re: #401 Gus 802

Yep. Their goal, regardless of ideology, is to make a quick buck and therefore create another bubble that will eventually burst. The cycle of recessions will continue. Money being used to make money. Instead of using money to grow industry, businesses and jobs.

repeat after me - and that is why we worship at the altar of the free market. It's infallible.

Well, actually it pretty much meets the standard definition of insanity - but there we go.

405 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:50:41pm

re: #393 engineer dog

Red States are freeloaders who depend on Blue States for handouts

Maybe there will be more reality shows featuring other big names in the Tea Party who call for cuts in government spending even as their home states are subsidized by the rest of us.

There could be Sen. Jim DeMint's South Carolina, which gets $1.35 on the dollar.

There could also be Sen.-elect Rand Paul's Kentucky, which rakes in $1.51.

Compare those states to two that are in financial crisis and suffer an even worse balance of payments than we do in New York.

California receives only 78 cents on the dollar.

But, but, but...teachers unions!!!111!!1!

406 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:51:16pm

re: #403 Gus 802

I probably left a trail of my own DNA in Bath Beach.

//

we know that... but for now it doesn't matter.

407 Gus  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:51:58pm

re: #406 brookly red

we know that... but for now it doesn't matter.

Drink!

408 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:52:55pm

re: #388 Dreggas

"At some clubs they pat you down before letting you in." - Would you rather have someone tripping on who knows what drunk off their ass waving a loaded pistol around while in the club?

"we stared down the soviets" - More like soviet economy collapsed being based on utopian and outright false theories, so ussr had no choice but to dissolve and attempt to join the western world by embracing their own perverted version of capitalism.

"beat the nazis" - this title can be claimed by at least three countries together, with help of others, but not by US alone.

"What is required is vigilence by travellers and airliners." - Your vigilence will not help detect a loaded pistol being carried on a plane.

Is this guy a regular?

409 brookly red  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:53:16pm

re: #403 Gus 802

I probably left a trail of my own DNA in Bath Beach.

//

well actually it was mixed with other DNA... as long as you don't run for office or try to leave the country their should be no problem.

410 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:53:25pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

Nah, I kind of get that part. Not that I have any money, but when and if I do, I'll probably have a 'get the hell out of Dodge' stash.

I'd also like a house in California.

I certainly understand savings! I don't understand the whole "invest your money in gold and then hide the gold under your bed" sort of thing.

411 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:53:56pm

re: #408 yasharki

You missed his point by a wide mile.

412 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:54:42pm

re: #410 WindUpBird

I certainly understand savings! I don't understand the whole "invest your money in gold and then hide the gold under your bed" sort of thing.

i thought the advice was

"buy gold, barricade your bed against the door and hide in the panic room with an M16.........."

413 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:55:58pm

re: #389 brookly red

the stupid f'n penguin? dude I worked for Marvel, I don't get off on cartoons.

Your loss, dude, there's...whatddayacall it...CULTURE in cartoons that's pretty important if you were to actually respect the medium.

There's even cartoons for adults!

414 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:56:38pm

re: #413 WindUpBird

Your loss, dude, there's...whatddayacall it...CULTURE in cartoons that's pretty important if you were to actually respect the medium.

There's even cartoons for adults!

MARMADUKE!

415 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:56:50pm

re: #408 yasharki

"At some clubs they pat you down before letting you in." - Would you rather have someone tripping on who knows what drunk off their ass waving a loaded pistol around while in the club?

"we stared down the soviets" - More like soviet economy collapsed being based on utopian and outright false theories, so ussr had no choice but to dissolve and attempt to join the western world by embracing their own perverted version of capitalism.

"beat the nazis" - this title can be claimed by at least three countries together, with help of others, but not by US alone.

"What is required is vigilence by travellers and airliners." - Your vigilence will not help detect a loaded pistol being carried on a plane.

Is this guy a regular?


Man do I even need to toss the classic Ben Franklin quote at you

416 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:56:57pm

re: #404 wozzablog

repeat after me - and that is why we worship at the altar of the free market. It's infallible.

Well, actually it pretty much meets the standard definition of insanity - but there we go.

If I remember correctly, I think I listened live on the BBC, a week ago Monday, Cameron's speech to Parliament handing over a shit load of government functions to private industry, with merit based contracts and payments, metrics and accomplishments to be posted on the internet, Business Advisory Groups... gee... sounds like Britain is realizing the advantages of a free market.

Funny how that works.

417 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:57:06pm

re: #414 Mr Pancakes

MARMADUKE!

TURBO TEEN!

418 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:57:29pm

re: #413 WindUpBird

Your loss, dude, there's...whatddayacall it...CULTURE in cartoons that's pretty important if you were to actually respect the medium.

There's even cartoons for adults!

And there are adults who are cartoons.

419 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:58:35pm

re: #367 theheat

My dad says they should have failed (denies 100% Bush participated in a bailout of any kind, for anybody), and we should secede. Just like that. Answer to all the problems: secede. And have Sarah Palin lead the new un-union.

You can't make shit up like this.

If you can get away with it, I'd be genuinely curious to know what your dad thinks about these ideas:

Any secession attempt would necessarily involve military conflict. What happens to the military bases, National Guard armories, FBI offices, etc. located in the newly-seceded territory? Are the personnel rounded up as traitors (and by whom), or is it just assumed they're going to play along? Do neo-secessionists believe that they can just decide to leave one day, and the Feds will have no choice but to just say, "well dang, they sure showed us" and sulk away in shame?

In the war between secessionist Texas (or wherever) and the "Union" (bleh), what's to stop any of the following from insinuating themselves: Mexican drug gangs, organized crime groups from $COUNTRY, terrorists (the real ones), or even legitimate foreign governments who have a major financial or material interests at stake. How much chaos can President Palin wink away?

Congratulations. As a freshly-minted country, you are now 100% responsible for your own infrastructure, international trade agreements, and defense. How will you supply basics such as electricity and potable water during the initial conflict? What's your backup plan?

420 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:58:44pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

Shouldn't you wait to see if it works before you talk about it being an advantage?

421 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 4:58:52pm

re: #378 fraxinus americana

I was just taking his point on irritating the left. He seems to have accomplished that.

sleeper's still stirring, I see

422 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:01:24pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

If I remember correctly, I think I listened live on the BBC, a week ago Monday, Cameron's speech to Parliament handing over a shit load of government functions to private industry, with merit based contracts and payments, metrics and accomplishments to be posted on the internet, Business Advisory Groups... gee... sounds like Britain is realizing the advantages of a free market.

Funny how that works.

Man, I loved it when Blackwater and KBR showed us the advantages of a free market

423 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:01:43pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

If I remember correctly, I think I listened live on the BBC, a week ago Monday, Cameron's speech to Parliament handing over a shit load of government functions to private industry, with merit based contracts and payments, metrics and accomplishments to be posted on the internet, Business Advisory Groups... gee... sounds like Britain is realizing the advantages of a free market.

Funny how that works.

Funny how the unregulated free market buying and selling derivatives in the market place destabilised the world economy.

I heard that on CNBC.

Word to the wise - Cameron is only offloading to the private and voluntary sectors to slash the budget. Everything outsourced to them will (as always) be guaranteed by the government to the tune of billions.
Successive governments have been selling off the family silver and clusterfuck has ensued in many of the industried - particularly Rail.

424 recusancy  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:04:38pm

re: #423 wozzablog

It's really working out well for Ireland and Greece right now too. /////

425 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:04:48pm

re: #401 Gus 802

Yep. Their goal, regardless of ideology, is to make a quick buck and therefore create another bubble that will eventually burst. The cycle of recessions will continue. Money being used to make money. Instead of using money to grow industry, businesses and jobs.

This is the thing that concerns me the most, I think. Our economy has got to be based on something more tangible that just shuffling numbers around on paper. It's certainly not going to be manufacturing on any significant scale.

426 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:04:52pm

re: #411 Obdicut

Ahh, just the person I was looking for. Going back to Black Ops, the game seems ok on a x360 neighbor has, although I didn't get to see the single player campaign, he's hooked on multiplayer. PC version, which is what I got is unplayable on my computer (~14fps), first patch fixes performance somewhat (~26fps), but not enough to make graphics smooth a shooter. Funniest thing is performance seems to be entirely CPU bound, changing resolution/aa/anisotropy/texture-quality makes no difference whatsoever, but both CPU cores is always at 100%, even on scripted scenes.

427 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:06:24pm

re: #422 WindUpBird

Man, I loved it when Blackwater and KBR showed us the advantages of a free market

Respect my authoritaw!

428 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:06:37pm

re: #426 yasharki

Fucking up the PC version is sadly par for the course.

429 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:07:37pm

re: #405 publicityStunted

Red States are freeloaders who depend on Blue States for handouts

But, but, but...teachers unions!!!111!!1!

Don't even try. We ran through this the last time the California obsessives got obsessive. It gets you absolutely nowhere.

430 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:08:09pm

re: #378 fraxinus americana

I was just taking his point on irritating the left. He seems to have accomplished that.

How about that AGW, then?

431 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:10:31pm

re: #425 negativ

This is the thing that concerns me the most, I think. Our economy has got to be based on something more tangible that just shuffling numbers around on paper. It's certainly not going to be manufacturing on any significant scale.

You're right .... manufacturing is dead here ....... it may change if the Chinese demand a higher scale of living at some point, but that won't be in our lifetime.

China is looking to Vietnam now to offload some manufacturing.

432 fraxinus americana  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:11:25pm

re: #349 LudwigVanQuixote


Actually I just said point taken about Rush irritating the left. IIRC you used something such as,"Why hello sock! How are you doing today? By which of your multiple paranoid delusional personae shall we refer to you as?" I didn't realize that meant troll. You can think what you want of Rush, I don't have to defend him from your opinion of him. For a person that claims to know something about christians you must not have learned "judge not lest ye be judged" oh but I forgot your not christen so keep up the name calling, projection, and judging.

433 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:11:44pm

re: #431 Mr Pancakes

Manufacturing is in no way dead here. Again: We have a higher manufacturing capacity here than ever before, in terms of economics-- we have less tonnage produced than in WWII, but there's obvious reasons for that.

It's jobs that have gone, not the manufacturing.

434 recusancy  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:13:20pm

re: #425 negativ

This is the thing that concerns me the most, I think. Our economy has got to be based on something more tangible that just shuffling numbers around on paper. It's certainly not going to be manufacturing on any significant scale.

Information. We're transitioning from manufacturing to information. Change is almost always painful.

435 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:13:58pm

re: #423 wozzablog

Funny how the unregulated free market buying and selling derivatives in the market place destabilised the world economy.

I heard that on CNBC.

Word to the wise - Cameron is only offloading to the private and voluntary sectors to slash the budget. Everything outsourced to them will (as always) be guaranteed by the government to the tune of billions.
Successive governments have been selling off the family silver and clusterfuck has ensued in many of the industried - particularly Rail.

indeed, what i heard last time i was in england was that privatizing the railways was so "successful" that nobody could afford to ride the train anymore

you see, as far as free market competition comes when you privitize the railway system - well, nobody in the entire uk can fucking afford to fucking build another fucking railway

so much for the wonderful free market fairy

436 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:16:04pm

re: #419 negativ

Actually, most all you mentioned was addressed. He had no answers, other than it would work. "Goods and services can be bought. Other countries buy from other countries all the time." I suppose all the crazy militia people could protect their newfound country from atheists, Muslims, darkies, the morning after pill, butt sex, Japanese cars, condoms, etc. (This, from a guy who loves to go shop at Wal-Mart.) And if they're righteous enough, no natural disasters would occur. God wouldn't hate them like the godless states. All the beef and Brawndo their new fake money could buy.

It went on for like what seemed forever. My ears were throbbing. My head still hurts. And I still feel like an asshole. So I'm smoking. Mmmmm. Menthol.

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:18:03pm

re: #435 engineer dog

indeed, what i heard last time i was in england was that privatizing the railways was so "successful" that nobody could afford to ride the train anymore

you see, as far as free market competition comes when you privitize the railway system - well, nobody in the entire uk can fucking afford to fucking build another fucking railway

so much for the wonderful free market fairy

Is THAT why it's so incredibly expensive to ride the damn train in England? My husband and I almost fainted at the train station.

438 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:18:20pm

re: #433 Obdicut

Manufacturing is in no way dead here. Again: We have a higher manufacturing capacity here than ever before, in terms of economics-- we have less tonnage produced than in WWII, but there's obvious reasons for that.

It's jobs that have gone, not the manufacturing.

Sure it is....... I live it everyday. Yes we have capacity which means we have no work.

The industry that I sell for had approximately 5000 manufacturing shops in the mid 80's...... less than 400 exist today. When China came into the picture in the early 90's, how many could invest in automation?...... Obviously not many.

439 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:23:38pm

re: #428 Obdicut

It used to be the other way around, I'm guessing due mostly to difficulties of cross-architecture coding, compilation, and testing, with Intel platform being most widely used and "user-friendly". I imagine it's now fairly easy to write, check, and compile console code on your everyday user-friendly Intel/AMD based workstation, and then seamlessly transfer resulting executables to console for testing. Eliminating a need to develop games on PC first and port to consoles later.

440 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:34:20pm

re: #433 Obdicut

Manufacturing is in no way dead here. Again: We have a higher manufacturing capacity here than ever before, in terms of economics-- we have less tonnage produced than in WWII, but there's obvious reasons for that.

It's jobs that have gone, not the manufacturing.

Oh and guess what...... China automated too. You must not be in manufacturing.

441 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:35:17pm

re: #438 Mr Pancakes

Sure it is... I live it everyday. Yes we have capacity which means we have no work.

The industry that I sell for had approximately 5000 manufacturing shops in the mid 80's... less than 400 exist today. When China came into the picture in the early 90's, how many could invest in automation?... Obviously not many.

No, you don't understand. We actually have the capacity and it is being used. We have manufacturing output, in dollar terms, higher than we've ever had it before.

442 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:37:52pm

re: #435 engineer dog

indeed, what i heard last time i was in england was that privatizing the railways was so "successful" that nobody could afford to ride the train anymore

you see, as far as free market competition comes when you privitize the railway system - well, nobody in the entire uk can fucking afford to fucking build another fucking railway

so much for the wonderful free market fairy

at one point there were 30 fares on a single train i was looking at. sheesh.

it's really really bad.

pretty much the most expensive train system in the world.

443 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:37:53pm

re: #441 Obdicut

No, you don't understand. We actually have the capacity and it is being used. We have manufacturing output, in dollar terms, higher than we've ever had it before.


No it's not being used... or I'd sell more.... and I wouldn't hear "oh sorry, we use offshore" like clockwork.

444 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:39:47pm

re: #443 Mr Pancakes

I'm sorry, but your personal anecdotes really aren't relevant.

[Link: www.suite101.com...]

[Link: www.uschina.org...]

445 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:43:58pm

re: #444 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but your personal anecdotes really aren't relevant.

[Link: www.suite101.com...]

[Link: www.uschina.org...]

Ok....... I'll just pretend there are less than 400 shops building circuit boards today in the US from around 5000 in the 80's..... I'll just pretend that there are no Mexican owned shops left because they couldn't compete with China...... I'm sure they were just victims of my personal anecdotes.

446 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:44:50pm

re: #445 Mr Pancakes

Or you could read the article and the paper that I linked, which has facts and research.

447 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 5:53:19pm

re: #446 Obdicut

Or you could read the article and the paper that I linked, which has facts and research.

You don't think China is gaining on us?

448 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:02:49pm

re: #447 Mr Pancakes

Yes, they're gaining on us, in terms of their share of the pie.

You appear to now be arguing something entirely different. China's manufacturing capacity is growing; I never said otherwise. However, the US's manufacturing industry is also growing, just at a slower rate.

449 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:13:50pm

re: #448 Obdicut

Yes, they're gaining on us, in terms of their share of the pie.

You appear to now be arguing something entirely different. China's manufacturing capacity is growing; I never said otherwise. However, the US's manufacturing industry is also growing, just at a slower rate.

China's growth has evolved and is still evolving, so I don't see what I said was entirely different. The printed circuit board industry was taken down early.

It's all about the wages man....... I don't want to get pissy with you..... manufacturing here is screwed.

It was sad to see that the service industry went the same route and moved to India or wherever..... whenever I called SBC for service I'd get some guy named "Billy" that I couldn't understand.

450 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:16:12pm

re: #449 Mr Pancakes

Again: Our manufacturing industry isn't screwed. We have a huge manufacturing industry. It's just that there are fewer jobs every year in it.

451 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:24:46pm

re: #450 Obdicut

Again: Our manufacturing industry isn't screwed. We have a huge manufacturing industry. It's just that there are fewer jobs every year in it.

Man..... I'm not going to argue the China effect on US manufacturing anymore... you've really done it for me.

452 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:29:51pm

re: #451 Mr Pancakes

Again: US manufacturing is growing. It's just growing slower than Chinese manufacturing.

So the effect China has had on us is to slow the growth of our manufacturing industry.

Not to shrink it.

453 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:32:49pm

Manufacturing, as a percentage of our economy, has dropped from 53% to 9% since 1965. It isn't simply a matter of less employment due to greater technological productivity. The drop in the % of our economy attributable to manufacturing is a systemic problem. Of particular interest is the % of the economy attributable to the financial sector, which had the exact opposite trend.

454 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:33:12pm

re: #432 fraxinus americana

Actually I just said point taken about Rush irritating the left. IIRC you used something such as,"Why hello sock! How are you doing today? By which of your multiple paranoid delusional personae shall we refer to you as?" I didn't realize that meant troll. You can think what you want of Rush, I don't have to defend him from your opinion of him. For a person that claims to know something about christians you must not have learned "judge not lest ye be judged" oh but I forgot your not christen so keep up the name calling, projection, and judging.

Wait a minute, so noticing that he is a hateful racist is projection?

You claim not to have to defend him, but you are trying to defend him. In typical fashion you are purposefully ignoring all the points too. Do you think you are convincing anyone that Rush isn't a vile, heartless racist bastard who thinks mocking the helpless is funny?

Now there was a time when this sort of willful blindness used to confuse me. It really did. Coming from a university background, I was simply unprepared for people seeing evidence as clearly marked as a neon sign and pretending it was not even there. It confused me. It frustrated me. I expected adults capable of using a computer to be able to think at least clearly enough that when bludgeoned by fact, after fact, they would at least acknowledge them.

I learned though. This is the web.

That used to make me angry. Because clearly the people did see, and they just did not care. That made them both arrogant and in the case of supporting a monster like Limbaugh, evil.

Then I realized so what? Once it was established that the folks who would refuse to see such things were utterly stupid, evil and arrogant - they ceased to garner the respect needed to care about them or persuading them.

But that's ok, we are amused by you socky sock. Dance for us.

455 yasharki  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:35:00pm

re: #452 Obdicut

Which indicators do you use when measuring manufacturing growth? I'm just wondering, being a complete dilettante in economics.

456 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:36:04pm

re: #453 Talking Point Detective

But that doesn't actually mean a drop in manufacturing output. That represents the huge, obscene, unreal amount of money in the financial industry.

457 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:36:20pm

re: #455 yasharki

I posted a few links above.

458 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:37:09pm

re: #453 Talking Point Detective

Actually, that was 9% in 2004. it looks like it has grown a bit since then.

[Link: investing.curiouscatblog.net...]

459 sod  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:41:16pm

I can always tell a racist remark, overt or covert, by the cringe it induces in me. I heard a few minutes of Rush today, long enough to hear him refer to the President as "Soul Brother Number One".

Cringe.

460 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:42:45pm

re: #456 Obdicut

But that doesn't actually mean a drop in manufacturing output. That represents the huge, obscene, unreal amount of money in the financial industry.

Agreed - but suggesting that it is, more or less, a problem of employment doesn't really hit what the problem is.

The problem is that the financial sector became such a huge magnet for investors. Even old-time manufacturing companies, like GM, became largely an extension of the financial industry (seeking profits from loans). The whole notion of a long-term business model meaning making a reasonable profit for turning out a quality product for a good price is becoming increasingly a thing of the past. It has been replaced by the model of structuring companies to be mechanisms for financial maneuvering that brings short-term profits to investors.

461 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:43:36pm

re: #452 Obdicut

Again: US manufacturing is growing. It's just growing slower than Chinese manufacturing.

So the effect China has had on us is to slow the growth of our manufacturing industry.

Not to shrink it.

Slow the growth ..... slow-the-growth......... s-l-o-w t-h-e g-r-o-w-t-h. = shrinkage.

Again........ capacity means we have the ability to take on more work... although I hate say it again..... capacity means we need work.

462 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:49:27pm

re: #460 Talking Point Detective

Agreed - but suggesting that it is, more or less, a problem of employment doesn't really hit what the problem is.

In terms of the manufacturing sector, yes it does.

The problem is that the financial sector became such a huge magnet for investors.

That would actually be a rather completely different, though completely valid, problem.

Even old-time manufacturing companies, like GM, became largely an extension of the financial industry (seeking profits from loans).

I actually think that companies like that are the exception and not the rule. of course, when companies are mostly owned by other companies, it depends where you draw the line.

The whole notion of a long-term business model meaning making a reasonable profit for turning out a quality product for a good price is becoming increasingly a thing of the past. It has been replaced by the model of structuring companies to be mechanisms for financial maneuvering that brings short-term profits to investors.

Well, it's not wholly replaced, it's replaced to the extent that the fitness environment that is the market favors it.

I think you're mixing up two highly related but still distinct things:

1. The operation of the stock market rewards short-term performance over long-term performance.

2. Financial instruments, of varying complexity, exploit distortions and loopholes in the market to produce profits without any actual value increased to back it up.

So, many companies do, in fact, use those financial instruments, but I don't think that you can safely say that most manufacturing companies are also involved in financial instruments. I don't know one way or the other, though, so if you have something that's convincing, I'm ready to be convinced.

463 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:50:14pm

re: #461 Mr Pancakes

No, slowing the growth doesn't mean shrinkage. When something is growing, it's not shrinking.

That's rather obvious, I'd think.

And, no, I'm actually talking about output, not capacity. Apologies for misspeaking.

464 Lidane  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:52:14pm

So basically, we've got an overweight drug addict calling the President a juvenile delinquent?

Stay classy, Rush.

465 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:59:17pm

re: #462 Obdicut

Manufacturing companies need investors. The way that they have turned, increasingly and to a very large extent, to attracting investors is through financial maneuvering. For example, investors largely aren't interested in companies that don't take on debt for debt's sake - to take advantage of tax margins - because they don't turn around their investments fast enough. Stock buy-backs are a good example. They have nothing to do with improving their business model.

This has been a long term trend what predated the love affair with derivatives. Take a look at the huge increase in debt burdens in the manufacturing sector as a whole.

I don't think that it is sufficient to simply look at the employment numbers in the manufacturing sector and to reduce the problem to that by talking about the increase in output as proof that the sector isn't having big problems. Look at the graph - it isn't just in the U.S., manufacturing as a % of GDP has shrunk in almost all countries since 1980 - by significant measures.

466 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:02:00pm

re: #463 Obdicut

No, slowing the growth doesn't mean shrinkage. When something is growing, it's not shrinking.

That's rather obvious, I'd think.

And, no, I'm actually talking about output, not capacity. Apologies for misspeaking.

You said capacity....... apology accepted.

I take it you are not in manufacturing ....... otherwise you'd be more enlightened.

467 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:04:11pm

re: #465 Talking Point Detective

Manufacturing companies need investors. The way that they have turned, increasingly and to a very large extent, to attracting investors is through financial maneuvering.

What I'm asking you for is some support for this point.


This has been a long term trend what predated the love affair with derivatives. Take a look at the huge increase in debt burdens in the manufacturing sector as a whole.

I gladly would, if you'd show it to me.


I don't think that it is sufficient to simply look at the employment numbers in the manufacturing sector and to reduce the problem to that by talking about the increase in output as proof that the sector isn't having big problems. Look at the graph - it isn't just in the U.S., manufacturing as a % of GDP has shrunk in almost all countries since 1980 - by significant measures.

You're simply talking about a different 'problem' than I am.

I'm talking about the very real problem of the lack of skilled workers jobs in manufacturing, due to automation.

And I'm talking about the non-real, fictional problem that we don't manufacture anything anymore. That part isn't true.

I am in no way objecting to the idea that financials have exploded, and that far too much of our economy is wrapped up in their fictitious monies.

468 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:05:06pm

re: #466 Mr Pancakes

You said capacity... apology accepted.

I take it you are not in manufacturing ... otherwise you'd be more enlightened.

You're still completely wrong when you say that slowing growth = shrinkage.

469 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:08:09pm

re: #468 Obdicut

You're still completely wrong when you say that slowing growth = shrinkage.

Ok...... slowing growth doesn't mean shrinkage?....... Please think about that.

Does it mean dormancy? When we achieve dormancy with China.... let me know.

470 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:09:45pm

re: #469 Mr Pancakes

Ok... slowing growth doesn't mean shrinkage?... Please think about that.

I'm thinking long and hard about how growth and shrinkage are antonyms.

Maybe you should think about that for awhile.

471 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:10:37pm

re: #470 Obdicut

I'm thinking long and hard about how growth and shrinkage are antonyms.

Maybe you should think about that for awhile.

Funny dude..... can't get anything past you....... nope.

472 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:17:11pm

re: #470 Obdicut

I'm thinking long and hard about how growth and shrinkage are antonyms.

Maybe you should think about that for awhile.

Is that all you got dude?
/

473 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:18:33pm

re: #467 Obdicut

It has been a few years since I looked at it in detail, and I don't have anything at my fingertips - here's something that came up with a quick Google, not broken down by industry:

Image: corpdebt2.jpg

It is simply a fact that corporations, including manufacturers, trended towards taking on more debt in the recent decades - by a significant measure.

If you look around, you'll see that the manufacturing industry, as a whole turned, increasingly, towards raising stock prices through debt acquisition (as counter-intuitive as that seems) to attract investors.

If you don't want to do the research yourself and you don't want to take my word for it, that's your prerogative.

To a large degree, automation has increased the baseline skill level of employees in the manufacturing industry, not decreased it.

And I don't think that we're talking about problems that are as mutually exclusive as you do. Despite the growth in output, the manufacturing industry in this country, but not just this country, has some very significant obstacles.

474 fraxinus americana  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:18:49pm

re: #454 LudwigVanQuixote

Wait a minute, so noticing that he is a hateful racist is projection?

You claim not to have to defend him, but you are trying to defend him. In typical fashion you are purposefully ignoring all the points too. Do you think you are convincing anyone that Rush isn't a vile, heartless racist bastard who thinks mocking the helpless is funny?

Now there was a time when this sort of willful blindness used to confuse me. It really did. Coming from a university background, I was simply unprepared for people seeing evidence as clearly marked as a neon sign and pretending it was not even there. It confused me. It frustrated me. I expected adults capable of using a computer to be able to think at least clearly enough that when bludgeoned by fact, after fact, they would at least acknowledge them.

I learned though. This is the web.

That used to make me angry. Because clearly the people did see, and they just did not care. That made them both arrogant and in the case of supporting a monster like Limbaugh, evil.

Then I realized so what? Once it was established that the folks who would refuse to see such things were utterly stupid, evil and arrogant - they ceased to garner the respect needed to care about them or persuading them.

But that's ok, we are amused by you socky sock. Dance for us.

Really, seeing someones point, is defending it ? umm ok.
Didn't say you were projecting on Rush, said you projected about me. You have your opinion about Rush. Who can change that? And now apparently me too, I'm back to sock puppet. I should thank you for moving me up from troll. I guess that's why I'm back to posting on LGF after an absence. I miss all the condescending judgemental name calling.

475 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:21:22pm

Sorry - here's the link to the source for that chart.

476 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:22:01pm

re: #472 Mr Pancakes

What are you talking about? What more do I need? Growth is the opposite of shrinkage.

477 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:25:21pm

re: #473 Talking Point Detective

I'm sorry, but since it's not broken down by industry, that doesn't actually support your argument.

If you look around, you'll see that the manufacturing industry, as a whole turned, increasingly, towards raising stock prices through debt acquisition (as counter-intuitive as that seems) to attract investors.

If you don't want to do the research yourself and you don't want to take my word for it, that's your prerogative.

Well, it'd be a rather large chore, for very little benefit. I have no idea, for example, how much manufacturing comes from large firms vs. small ones. Do you?


To a large degree, automation has increased the baseline skill level of employees in the manufacturing industry, not decreased it.

Er, yes. But that has zero relevance to what I was talking about. I wasn't talking about skill level, but simply the number of skilled jobs.

And I don't think that we're talking about problems that are as mutually exclusive as you do

I never said that the problems were mutually exclusive.

Despite the growth in output, the manufacturing industry in this country, but not just this country, has some very significant obstacles.

Could you maybe sum up what you think I'm saying the problem in manufacturing is, please?

478 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:27:14pm

Here's another that focuses on debt leverage in nonfinancial corporations:

Image: 98115-128094714827087-John-Lounsbury.jpg

source:

[Link: seekingalpha.com...]

That corporate debt increased a significant rates over the last decades, including in the manufacturing industry, is pretty much undeniable. I suppose that the reasons for that happening could be argued, but I'm sure if you look around you will find an abundant amount of evidence that investors have been attracted to companies that took on debt independent of their long term profitability, and in many cases, even independent of their long-term stock performance, dividend performance, market share, etc. Marginal gains that can be made from debt have been very attractive to investors.

479 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:28:50pm

re: #476 Obdicut

What are you talking about? What more do I need? Growth is the opposite of shrinkage.

Slowed growth is shrinkage.

God you are goofy

480 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:29:21pm

re: #475 Talking Point Detective

Sorry - here's the link to the source for that chart.

Oops. Ha! I hate it when I do that:

[Link: continuations.com...]

481 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:34:12pm

re: #477 Obdicut


I have no idea, for example, how much manufacturing comes from large firms vs. small ones. Do you?

No. And it stands to reason that small-scale manufacturers were less likely to do what I'm talking about, and certainly privately-owned companies as well. But it also stands to reason that large-scale, publicly owned companies would represent a large segment of the overall industry.


Er, yes. But that has zero relevance to what I was talking about. I wasn't talking about skill level, but simply the number of skilled jobs.

My point was that it's largely the (relatively) unskilled manufacturing jobs that have been lost.

I never said that the problems were mutually exclusive.

Good, then we're in agreement.

Could you maybe sum up what you think I'm saying the problem in manufacturing is, please?

Actually, I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. If you're saying that the main problem with manufacturing in the U.S. is increased productivity due to technological advances, then I'm saying that I think it's more complicated than that.

482 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:35:06pm

re: #479 Mr Pancakes

No. Slowed growth is still growth. Shrinkage would be the opposite of growth.

That's why they're antonyms.

483 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:37:44pm

re: #113 fraxinus americana

Reading this thread, point taken Rush.

LOL—Rush has made a career of of whining irritably about the left, and then doing his best to provoke them as often as possible.

484 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:38:10pm

re: #481 Talking Point Detective

No. And it stands to reason that small-scale manufacturers were less likely to do what I'm talking about, and certainly privately-owned companies as well. But it also stands to reason that large-scale, publicly owned companies would represent a large segment of the overall industry.

I'm sorry, but you're depending far, far, far too much on 'it stands to reason'.


My point was that it's largely the (relatively) unskilled manufacturing jobs that have been lost.

Ah. I think you don't understand that a large amount of manufacturing jobs were skilled. Assembly-line workers were skilled. That is the meaning that I'm using.

Actually, I'm not exactly sure what you're saying.

I'm saying that even though the US still has a very large and strong manufacturing industry, one that is actually larger than it ever has been before, we no longer have large numbers of manufacturing jobs.

485 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:38:14pm

re: #481 Talking Point Detective

Should have said......."the main problem is job loss due to increased productivity due to technological advances....."

486 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:39:45pm

re: #482 Obdicut

No. Slowed growth is still growth. Shrinkage would be the opposite of growth.

That's why they're antonyms.

If I brake slowly in my car (slowing down) I would be really accelerating.......

Got cha

487 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:41:36pm

re: #486 Mr Pancakes

No. But if you accelerated at two miles an hour (your velocity growing) you would still be accelerating.

If you were braking, you'd be decelerating, and shrinking your velocity.

Do you understand?

488 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:43:14pm

re: #487 Obdicut

Er, accelerated at two miles an hour per hour.

Sorry.

489 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:43:27pm

re: #393 engineer dog

you seem very interested in state finances. could you tell me whether ny state ran a deficit or profit in its state budget last year? how many states in the union were in the black in the past couple of years? since california continues to pay more into the federal treasury than it gets back in benefits, how did that compare tp the money they feds gave us in stimulus that was used to help with the state budget shortfall? i also heard that california was not the only state to recieve such help - did ny also get help with any budget shortfalls from the federal government? how about other states?


Virtually EVERY state pays in more to the federal government than it gets back in benefits. It's no accident that the batch of counties in Maryland and Virginia nearest DC are the richest in the nation. And then there's legitimate national expenses that don't show up as benefits on any ledger book. Money spent for fuel in Afghanistan, for instance. It's collected in tax revenue somewhere somehow, and then it's spent. It's gone.

The notion that if California comes out in the red on that score, then some other large states must be running a profit, forgets that the federal government has actual expenses. It's not just a big ATM machine where some put in and others take out.

The Federal government ought not be helping states out with their budget shortfalls. That's just making chumps of states that cut to the bone and scrape through. If, say, Nebraska does that, it doesn't mean that Nebraska is rich and California is poor and Nebraska should send money to California. It means that Nebraska, impoverished but self reliant, gets taken to the cleaners by states that have enough votes in Congress to swing appropriations their way, states that find it easier to tap into the pipeline of federal revenue than to pay their own way.

As to California being so advanced and all, here's the NAEP. state by state comparisonsTaking, say, 8th grade mathematics, we read that California public school students fall into the categories "below basic, basic, proficient, advanced" in the proportions 41, 36, 18, 5 for 2009. For the nation as a whole, it's 29, 39, 25, 7. Nothing to brag about, but better than California.

OK, that's not fair, California has a large immigrant population. Let's compare with Texas. Same demographics, more or less. Backward, redneck state, education system in the crapper. Wow, this is going to be a smackdown.

TX 22, 41, 28, 8.

Huh? Laker must be lying. No way.

Read it yourself, then.

California has potential. It has a great history. And it's in real trouble and sinking. Misguided policies can only be pursued for so long before they yield bitter fruit.

One of those misguided policies is to count on bailouts from other, richer states. There may be states whose public finances aren't such a mess, but the people of those states aren't living high.

490 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:44:47pm

re: #484 Obdicut

one that is actually larger than it ever has been before,

Yes, it is larger. But the GDP is larger also. So it is larger, but a much smaller % of our GDP. When you simply say that the output is greater, that obscures other factors. As I recall, as a percentage of total worldwide output the % has remained constant - which means that the problems are not exclusive to U.S. manufacturers, but a global issue in the industry as a whole.

Manufacturing has shrunk relative to other economic sectors. Manufacturing has been in trouble for a while, and it has huge obstacles in the future. The job loses are there in absolute terms, but in terms of a % of overall employment, it has dropped by an even greater amount. And that loss of % of overall employment is not simply due to technological advances, it is due to many factors, including large-scale shifts in how manufacturers structure their businesses at the most fundamental levels.

491 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:45:23pm

re: #473 Talking Point Detective

It has been a few years since I looked at it in detail, and I don't have anything at my fingertips - here's something that came up with a quick Google, not broken down by industry:

Image: corpdebt2.jpg

It is simply a fact that corporations, including manufacturers, trended towards taking on more debt in the recent decades - by a significant measure.

If you look around, you'll see that the manufacturing industry, as a whole turned, increasingly, towards raising stock prices through debt acquisition (as counter-intuitive as that seems) to attract investors.

If you don't want to do the research yourself and you don't want to take my word for it, that's your prerogative.

To a large degree, automation has increased the baseline skill level of employees in the manufacturing industry, not decreased it.

And I don't think that we're talking about problems that are as mutually exclusive as you do. Despite the growth in output, the manufacturing industry in this country, but not just this country, has some very significant obstacles.

There are always obstacles. Obdi is right about this and you're missing his points. Mfg in the U.S. is doing relatively well. We produce a lot of stuff.

492 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:45:38pm

re: #489 lostlakehiker


Virtually EVERY state pays in more to the federal government than it gets back in benefits.

This is false.

493 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:46:47pm

re: #488 Obdicut

Er, accelerated at two miles an hour per hour.

Sorry.

Man....... this is where I stop.... it's getting too silly nuanced.

We'll agree to disagree and move on to the next thread. Unless you you want to keep it going.

494 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:47:03pm

re: #490 Talking Point Detective

Yes, it is larger. But the GDP is larger also. So it is larger, but a much smaller % of our GDP. When you simply say that the output is greater, that obscures other factors.

No, it doesn't. It just doesn't consider them.

You are bound and determined to talk about a different problem than I am. That's fine. I think the problem you're talking about exists, and is a serious one.

However, I don't see why you're demanding that I talk about it to. I'm talking about a different problem.

That's okay. We can actually talk about different things.

495 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:47:24pm

re: #493 Mr Pancakes

I think it was over when you started insisting that growth was shrinkage.

496 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:48:57pm

re: #495 Obdicut

I think it was over when you started insisting that growth was shrinkage.

Well I was right and you were wrong....... sorry to bonk you on your manhood or something.

497 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:50:03pm

re: #494 Obdicut

No, it doesn't. It just doesn't consider them.

You are bound and determined to talk about a different problem than I am. That's fine. I think the problem you're talking about exists, and is a serious one.

However, I don't see why you're demanding that I talk about it to. I'm talking about a different problem.

That's okay. We can actually talk about different things.

I'm not "demanding" that you do anything at all. You are quite free to do as you wish. I wouldn't have it any other way.

498 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:50:20pm

re: #496 Mr Pancakes

Did you seriously just say "I was right and you were wrong"?

Sheesh, why'd you bother with any other argument if you had that gem waiting in reserve?

And no matter what you say, growth and shrinkage will remain opposites.

499 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:52:49pm

re: #498 Obdicut

Did you seriously just say "I was right and you were wrong"?

Sheesh, why'd you bother with any other argument if you had that gem waiting in reserve?

And no matter what you say, growth and shrinkage will remain opposites.

Yea... whatever you think Mr. "so much superior blog man". (rolls eyes)

500 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:56:21pm

re: #491 lostlakehiker

There are always obstacles. Obdi is right about this and you're missing his points. Mfg in the U.S. is doing relatively well. We produce a lot of stuff.

Well, I guess I am missing his points, but I find it hard to agree that an industry that has gone from 53% of GDP to something on the order of 10% of GDP is doing "relatively well." We produce a lot of stuff, but far less as a % of our economy than we used to. This is one of the single biggest factors behind the flat wage growth in recent decades - and it is due to more than just innovative technologies.

501 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 7:58:39pm

re: #498 Obdicut

Did you seriously just say "I was right and you were wrong"?

Yea cuz I was.

502 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:25:08pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck discusses architecture again...
Beck compares photo of EU building to illustration of Tower of Babel: "This is amazing"
Fox News: fair and balanced breaking biblical events.
4,000 year old stories and how they effect you today.


That's not the Tower of Babel, this is the Tower of Babel.

503 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 8:32:35pm

re: #492 Obdicut

This is false.

Oh? How can it possibly be false? There's no way that states generally come close to breaking even. The federal government is mostly a spending machine, and only secondarily a transfer payments machine.

504 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:21:06pm
505 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 1:56:47am

re: #503 lostlakehiker

Oh? How can it possibly be false? There's no way that states generally come close to breaking even. The federal government is mostly a spending machine, and only secondarily a transfer payments machine.

Because most states receive more in federal money than they contribute in federal taxes.

Whether or not states are breaking even has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Some states, like Mississippi, receive more money in terms of federal outlays than the citizenry, combined, pays in federal taxes.

So, they receive more money from the federal government than they pay.

Do you understand?

506 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 1:56:57am
507 DrBoobooday  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:57:36am

Photoshop Disaster!

508 ZeroGain  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:19:12am

Wait, wait wait... what I get from the excerpt (and no time to read any of the 507 comments at the time of this posting, sorry) is that only black kids tag? Is that why it's racist? Maybe I'm a closet skinhead or something but I just saw "Obama sucks" not "Lynch the uppity slave"

509 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:20:19am

re: #508 ZeroGain

You should take the time to read the comments.


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