Update: Nuclear Meltdown May Be Under Way

Earlier reports that a meltdown had been averted may have been premature
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Uh oh.

[5:48 p.m. ET, 7:48 a.m. Tokyo] A meltdown may be under way at one of Fukushima Daiichi’s nuclear power reactors, an official with Japan’s nuclear and industrial safety agency told CNN Sunday.

A meltdown is a catastrophic failure of the reactor core, with a potential for widespread radiation release. However, Toshiro Bannai, director of the agency’s international affairs office, expressed confidence that efforts to control the crisis would prove successful.

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1 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:10:13pm

Well…fuck.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:10:18pm

I wish the best of luck to the people of Japan.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:10:38pm

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

I wish the best of luck to the people of Japan.

And to us all, naturally.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:12:17pm

Of all the headlines you ever want to read, “Nuclear Meltdown May Be Under Way” is very very low on the list.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:12:58pm

The China Syndrome in Japan?

6 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:14:41pm

My father seems to be good at be right about the worst of things.

7 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:15:53pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the end of the nuclear power industry.

8 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:17:16pm

Quote from an MSNBC article with Japanese confirmation of partial core melt:

NBC, msnbc.com and news services
updated 28 minutes ago

(about 2:45 pm PST - Ojoe)

The core of a nuclear reactor damaged by Friday’s massive earthquake has partially melted, Japan’s nuclear safety agency said Saturday, and the company that runs the plant is pouring seawater into the reactor in an attempt to cool it and prevent it from going critical.

Early Sunday, Japan’s nuclear safety agency reported an emergency at a second reactor in the same complex.
The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said that the cooling system malfunctioned at Unit 3 of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant No. 1. The agency said it was informed of the emergency by Tokyo Electric Co., or TEPCO, the utility that runs the plant.

9 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:18:11pm

West coast USA is about 3 days down wind.

10 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:19:37pm

TEPCO (Toyko Electric)’s website has a series of news releases. The most recent one from 2am local time 3/13:

Unit 1(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due to
the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big
quake occurred at 3:36PM.
- We have been injecting sea water and boric acid which absorbs neutron
into the reactor core.

Unit 2(Shut down)
- Reactor and Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System have been shut down.
Current reactor water level is lower than normal level, but the water
level is steady. After fully securing safety, we are preparing to
implement a measure to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment
vessels under the instruction of the national government.

Unit 3(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down and we continue injecting water by High
Pressure Core Injection System. After fully securing safety, we are
preparing to implement a measure to reduce the pressure of the reactor
containment vessels under the instruction of the national government.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage
inside the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 4 (shut down due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 5 (outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside
the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 6 (outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage
inside the reactor containment vessel.

Casualty
- 2 workers of cooperative firm were injured at the occurrence of the
earthquake, and were transported to the hospital.
- 1 TEPCO employee who was not able to stand by his own with his hand
holding left chest was transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- 1 subcontract worker at important earthquake-proof building was
unconscious and transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- The radiation exposure of 1 TEPCO employee, who was working inside the reactor building, exceeded 100mSv and was transported to the hospital.
- 4 workers were injured and transported to the hospital after explosive
sound and white smoke were confirmed around the Unit 1.
- Presence of 2 TEPCO employees at the site are not confirmed

11 elizajane  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:20:05pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the end of the nuclear power industry.

I was wondering if we’d said bye-bye to future nuclear plants in the USA on the previous thread. At the very least, the calculus for solving America’s problematic energy future is going to change now. (While the Repbulicans also, quietly, return funding for the Pacific Tsunami Institute to their budget bill).

12 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:21:25pm
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13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:21:25pm

re: #11 elizajane

(While the Repbulicans also, quietly, return funding for the Pacific Tsunami Institute to their budget bill).

That would imply some rationality on their part.

14 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:23:40pm

re: #11 elizajane

I was wondering if we’d said bye-bye to future nuclear plants in the USA on the previous thread. At the very least, the calculus for solving America’s problematic energy future is going to change now. (While the Repbulicans also, quietly, return funding for the Pacific Tsunami Institute to their budget bill).

Oh, I figure once this has all shaken out, the argument will turn (once again), to “Drill, Baby, Drill!” Now, it’ll be “We can’t afford nuclear accidents here in America!”

Meanwhile, in the Gulf of Mexico, billions of sea animals are dead or dying due to the gunk that remains on the ocean bottom due to the BP oil spill. But hey, you can’t see it from space anymore, so “out of sight, out of mind.”

15 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:23:44pm

re: #11 elizajane

I was wondering if we’d said bye-bye to future nuclear plants in the USA on the previous thread. At the very least, the calculus for solving America’s problematic energy future is going to change now. (While the Repbulicans also, quietly, return funding for the Pacific Tsunami Institute to their budget bill).

I’m positive the anti-nuke crowd will use this to their benefit.

16 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:24:42pm

INES is rating this situation a category 4 event on a 7 point scale although additional radiation or a partial meltdown could change things for the worse. For comparison, TMI was a 5, and Chernobyl was a 7.

17 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:26:15pm

One thing that has surprised me so far is that North Korea hasn’t horned in yet in some way. Nebulous claim to have caused things, or simply some sort of demand for additional aid on the basis of recent events.

18 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:26:32pm

re: #11 elizajane

I figure that the anti-nuclear folks in the NYC metro area will demand the closure of Indian Pt, which is 40 miles north of NYC, and will point to the facility’s susceptibility to seismic events in their calls for closure.

19 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:26:39pm

How much residual heat is in a reactor that shuts down? The back up cooling is inadequate to cooling a shut down reactor? I don’t get it. Information is far from complete here.

20 justaminute  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:26:56pm

I can’t help but believe they are trying to keep the details of the reactor on the down low. What rescue workers would enter areas around the 12 mile perimeter? Because if there is a meltdown that perimeter is bogus. They are truly between a rock and a hard place. I quit taking governments assurances of safety when they told the workers of Ground Zero they were safe.

21 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:27:27pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

With Chernobyl you could attribute the mess to shoddy Russian technology and operation; with this one, you can’t; the Japanese are supposed to be very good technically. This could damage the Nuclear industry way more than Chernobyl has done.


BBL

22 brownbagj  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:29:49pm

re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, if nuclear is no longer an option, what do we do? Wind, solar etc can’t foot the bill for the whole world or even the US.

It has to be oil short term, nuclear mid-term (and long-term) and then ultimately nuclear mixed with various levels of solar, wind etc.

We can’t live in huts. All energy resources have pros and cons. Unless we can get the entire world to decide to stop growing economies, population etc, we have to get the energy from a real and sustainable source.

23 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:30:16pm

re: #21 Ojoe


But the Plant is more then 40 years old. That being said I am sure they updated the equipment in at least the last 20 years.

One thing I think that Obama needs to start thinking about is where we have the spent nuclear waste kept at and rather or not to re-open the un-popular hole in the hill in Nevada.

24 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:30:52pm

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

There is A LOT of heat and it keeps generating even if you successfully shut down the core, because the radioactive daughter products of the main uranium fissions still keep decaying and producing heat. You can’t really totally turn it off; the laws of physics have no appeal. You have to cool it or else.

It’s a Balrog.

25 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:31:56pm

re: #22 brownbagj

The amount of energy the sun dumps on us way way dwarfs any other source.

When we become rational, we will go solar.

26 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:32:52pm

re: #24 Ojoe

A partial meltdown is not a big deal. As long as containment holds, this is manageable. Do you know how long it takes for that heat to dissipate with cooling? Days? Weeks?

27 brownbagj  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:33:25pm

re: #25 Ojoe

So, I had no idea the technology exists today to completely change from oil to solar. Oh, and get rid of nuclear too.

I submit it does not. I wish, wish, wish it did. I have nothing against it and would rather not have oil as the main cog of the machine, but reality dictates otherwise.

28 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:33:38pm

Toshiro Bannai, director of the agency’s international affairs office, expressed confidence that efforts to control the crisis would prove successful.

Could be wishful thinking/praying/hoping on my part, but I have much more faith in hearing that coming from todays Japanese than I did about yesteryears Russian (Chernobyl) and US (Three Mile Island) spokespeople

29 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:33:41pm

“BBL”

Ha

BBL

30 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:34:46pm

re: #24 Ojoe

There is A LOT of heat and it keeps generating even if you successfully shut down the core, because the radioactive daughter products of the main uranium fissions still keep decaying and producing heat. You can’t really totally turn it off; the laws of physics have no appeal. You have to cool it or else.

It’s a Balrog.

I heard that on a documentary about what would happen if all of human kind suddenly disappeared that the Nuclear power plants could take care of them selves for about 5 years. But after that if no one educated enough to run help them doesn’t come they will melt down.

Which is why I don’t want any Evangelical Christians in nuclear power plants it should be illegal. ;)

31 brownbagj  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:35:24pm

re: #30 The Yankee

Nothing to worry about, they don’t believe in science anyway.

/

32 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:35:37pm

re: #22 brownbagj

Well, if nuclear is no longer an option, what do we do? Wind, solar etc can’t foot the bill for the whole world or even the US.

It has to be oil short term, nuclear mid-term (and long-term) and then ultimately nuclear mixed with various levels of solar, wind etc.

We can’t live in huts. All energy resources have pros and cons. Unless we can get the entire world to decide to stop growing economies, population etc, we have to get the energy from a real and sustainable source.

What is “sustainable” about oil? We’re talking a finite resource, with most of the easily-accessed pockets drained dry or close to it. The longer we stay on it, the more money we’re going to have to sink into one of two things: researching cleaner methods of obtaining it or cleaning up after the dirty methods that currently exist. And that’s before we get into boondoggles like oil shale, which will require billions in investments just to get online.

Oil isn’t the future, it’s a crutch that we’re unwilling to shake. Why? Because we’re more worried about our pocketbooks than we are about our future as a species.

33 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:36:04pm

re: #26 Rightwingconspirator

The amount of time depends on how long the reactor has been operating with its current fuel load.

You will have to get someone with more knowledge than I to answer the question re the reactors in Japan.


BBL …

34 sagehen  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:36:52pm

re: #26 Rightwingconspirator

A partial meltdown is not a big deal. As long as containment holds, this is manageable. Do you know how long it takes for that heat to dissipate with cooling? Days? Weeks?

What’s the half-life of the pile, and what’s the odds of any human-engineered contained lasting that long?

35 Professor Chaos  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:37:18pm

The anti-nuke crowd cannot be allowed to win this one. We need nuclear as a larger part of our energy production. Every generation of reactor is more safe than the last, and every crisis provides an opportunity to learn in the future.

36 sagehen  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:37:51pm

re: #27 brownbagj

So, I had no idea the technology exists today to completely change from oil to solar. Oh, and get rid of nuclear too.

I submit it does not. I wish, wish, wish it did. I have nothing against it and would rather not have oil as the main cog of the machine, but reality dictates otherwise.

The technology absolutely exists, but the start-up costs of building it are more than the continuing costs of what we’re using already.

37 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:38:46pm

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What is “sustainable” about oil? We’re talking a finite resource, with most of the easily-accessed pockets drained dry or close to it. The longer we stay on it, the more money we’re going to have to sink into one of two things: researching cleaner methods of obtaining it or cleaning up after the dirty methods that currently exist. And that’s before we get into boondoggles like oil shale, which will require billions in investments just to get online.

Oil isn’t the future, it’s a crutch that we’re unwilling to shake. Why? Because we’re more worried about our pocketbooks than we are about our future as a species.

words, just words…we have 2 option, find and use gas and oil or wither economically, you’ll see what I mean when gas hits $5
what happens in the near future is anybody’s guess, I suspect we will suffer

38 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:39:38pm

re: #27 brownbagj

So, I had no idea the technology exists today to completely change from oil to solar. Oh, and get rid of nuclear too.

I submit it does not. I wish, wish, wish it did. I have nothing against it and would rather not have oil as the main cog of the machine, but reality dictates otherwise.

It doesn’t. I’ve gone over this a million times before. Where as the technology over the last 40 years or so has increased in efficiency, we are still far, far away from solar being a sustainable source of energy, an energy source that will actually make a meaningful contribution to our daily energy needs.

I worked for the DOE, at their premier energy research laboratory, for 15 years, in IT. I saw on a daily basis the extent of the technology. It’s good, but we are not there yet.

39 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:39:59pm

Ugh, it’s hard to tell what the fuck is going on….
news.google.com

News reports are all over the map, some reporting old stories from yesterday, some reporting 3 reactors are in trouble, some reporting two, some fear mongering, other downplaying. What a mess.

40 sagehen  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:40:50pm

re: #37 albusteve

words, just words…we have 2 option, find and use gas and oil or wither economically, you’ll see what I mean when gas hits $5
what happens in the near future is anybody’s guess, I suspect we will suffer

You do realize, don’t you, that everybody else in the world is already paying $5 and has been for a long time…

Yes, American economic power has been built on cheap energy. And we’d love to continue to have cheap energy forever. Also, my nephew wants a pony.

41 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:41:34pm

re: #35 Girth

The anti-nuke crowd cannot be allowed to win this one. We need nuclear as a larger part of our energy production. Every generation of reactor is more safe than the last, and every crisis provides an opportunity to learn in the future.

Nuance is not America’s strong point. And nuance is what it is going to take to get people to be ok with nuclear plants in America if things look down hill from here. I mean look there are people who have good reason not to like Obama but of course not liking him for a good reason is not enough they have to hate him for being a Muslim prez born is some foreign country and steals money from the rich.

42 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:42:25pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Ugh, it’s hard to tell what the fuck is going on…
[Link: news.google.com…]

News reports are all over the map, some reporting old stories from yesterday, some reporting 3 reactors are in trouble, some reporting two, some fear mongering, other downplaying. What a mess.

No kidding… here’s another…

URGENT: Japan Reports Emergency At Nuke Plant as Thousands Flee

foxnews.com

43 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:42:32pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Ugh, it’s hard to tell what the fuck is going on…
[Link: news.google.com…]

News reports are all over the map, some reporting old stories from yesterday, some reporting 3 reactors are in trouble, some reporting two, some fear mongering, other downplaying. What a mess.

Zaccly

Still others reporting the steel container housings undamaged, some reports stating radiation levels as dropping
imho, if they (the Japanese) thought something was emanate they would be evacuating way wider than 12 miles

44 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:42:41pm

re: #34 sagehen

Well first things first. First get it cooled. If the pile has to be encased in place like Chernobyl, well each and every generation has some work to do. I still support nuclear energy. I just prefer smaller better designs, like hyperion.

Every fuel based energy source takes lives.

45 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:43:49pm

re: #40 sagehen

You do realize, don’t you, that everybody else in the world is already paying $5 and has been for a long time…

Yes, American economic power has been built on cheap energy. And we’d love to continue to have cheap energy forever. Also, my nephew wants a pony.

everybody else in the world doesn’t live in New Mexico so the comparison is useless to me….and I’m not talking ponies, I’m talking food and every other commodity…sensible use of oil can mitigate that situation

46 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:44:44pm

re: #40 sagehen

everybody else in the world is already paying $5 and has been for a long time..

A lot of the extra $$ that they pay as compared to what we pay os because we refine a lot locally (wherever you are)((cuts down on cost to the pump)) and they also pay more fuel taxes than we do.

47 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:44:59pm

re: #37 albusteve

words, just words…we have 2 option, find and use gas and oil or wither economically, you’ll see what I mean when gas hits $5
what happens in the near future is anybody’s guess, I suspect we will suffer

I don’t know if you’ve been down to the corner gas station, but the cheapest I’ve seen today is $3.39/gal, and summer’s still months away. $5/gal is not a doomsday scenario, it’s a certainty, whether it be a matter of months or years. Much of the oil that still sits under the soil here in the US is only economical to pump when prices are as high or higher than they are now. Oil shale itself breaks even, IIRC, somewhere around $120/bbl.

If there are truly 2 options, it’s to continue chasing after a fast-fading dream of “cheap oil,” or start facing the economic reality now. The days of milk and honey are over.

48 freetoken  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:47:02pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

“kerogen shale” is a more accurate term.

That is not only more accurate but also helps distinguish from the sedimentary rock (shale) that holds actual petroleum (liquid) such as is being exploited in western ND.

49 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:48:16pm

re: #45 albusteve

…and I’m not talking ponies

Why do you hate ponies!?!?

50 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:48:17pm

re: #46 sattv4u2

everybody else in the world is already paying $5 and has been for a long time..

A lot of the extra $$ that they pay as compared to what we pay os because we refine a lot locally (wherever you are)((cuts down on cost to the pump)) and they also pay more fuel taxes than we do.

In Australia we are paying at least $1.50 per litre here now.
$6.75 per gallon

51 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:48:56pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don’t know if you’ve been down to the corner gas station, but the cheapest I’ve seen today is $3.39/gal, and summer’s still months away. $5/gal is not a doomsday scenario, it’s a certainty, whether it be a matter of months or years. Much of the oil that still sits under the soil here in the US is only economical to pump when prices are as high or higher than they are now. Oil shale itself breaks even, IIRC, somewhere around $120/bbl.

If there are truly 2 options, it’s to continue chasing after a fast-fading dream of “cheap oil,” or start facing the economic reality now. The days of milk and honey are over.

there IS no other source of energy, cheap or sustainable or otherwise…it’s all relative just as ‘milk and honey’ is…use it or suffer

52 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:49:34pm

Has DKos been hacked?

53 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:49:36pm

Fuck.
No one seems to know what the hell is going on.

54 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:49:53pm

Another very big (6.1) aftershock near Sendai about 25 minutes ago:
USGS quake monitor.

55 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:51:02pm

re: #52 Sergey Romanov

Has DKos been hacked?

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56 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:51:49pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

Fuck.
No one seems to know what the hell is going on.

Too many things happening too fast. We’re still only 24+ hours outside of the tsunami hitting and there are still powerful aftershocks going on

57 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:51:51pm

re: #50 ozbloke

In Australia we are paying at least $1.50 per litre here now.
$6.75 per gallon


Maybe you should switch to gallons, it’s cheaper that way.
/

58 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:52:05pm

CNN Wolf Blitzer quoting the Japanese ambassador to the US
“There is no meltdown”

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:52:15pm

re: #55 Sergey Romanov

Seems to have been a temporary glitch. Back to normal.

60 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:52:45pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Maybe you should switch to gallons, it’s cheaper that way.
/

Yeah ,, the only thing I buy by “litre”s is Vodka and Scotch and Gin and ,,,,,,

61 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:52:53pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Maybe you should switch to gallons, it’s cheaper that way.
/

finally, some sense

62 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:52:59pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Maybe you should switch to gallons, it’s cheaper that way.
/

/ I was thinking that, I need less cos there bigger.

63 AlexRogan  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:53:01pm

re: #58 Rightwingconspirator

CNN Wolf Blitzer quoting the Japanese ambassador to the US
“There is no meltdown”

Baghdad Bob mode?

64 justaminute  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:53:34pm

Last Friday our financial adviser called and told us he was taking one half of all his clients accounts out of the market and putting it into bonds. He thinks high gas prices are here to stay.

65 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:53:54pm

re: #63 talon_262

Baghdad Bob mode?

Doubt it
In this case, there’s no “up”side for saying it

66 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:54:43pm

re: #65 sattv4u2

Doubt it
In this case, there’s no “up”side for saying it

Less panic, for the people?

67 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:55:01pm

re: #62 ozbloke

/ I was thinking that, I need less cos there bigger.

While we’re at it: You guys and the Canadians gotta start calling your money something other than “dollars”. We’re using that one.

68 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:55:11pm

re: #51 albusteve

there IS no other source of energy, cheap or sustainable or otherwise…it’s all relative just as ‘milk and honey’ is…use it or suffer

We’re going to suffer, one way or another. You can delay it all you like, by pumping in ANWR, pumping farther and farther out to sea, taking up kerogen shale, even constructing “syngas” facilities to liquefy coal and garbage. But that’s nothing more than slowly boiling the frog, accepting gradually more expensive oil prices in an effort to keep the wheels of the economy spinning.

69 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:56:22pm

re: #66 ozbloke

Less panic, for the people?

I doubt they can be “less” paniced than they are now, not with the aftershocks still hitting and many hundreds of people still unaccounted for

No, in Bahgdad Bobs case he was still trying to rally the loyalists to stand and fight

70 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:57:01pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

While we’re at it: You guys and the Canadians gotta start calling your money something other than “dollars”. We’re using that one.

Pebbles would be ok, there worth about as much.

71 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:57:07pm

There have been EIGHT 6+ aftershocks in the Sendai area in the last 24 hours. Each of these would be a significant international story if it happened in isolation.

72 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:57:36pm

On the upside

Lost city of Atlantis, swamped by tsunami, may be found

news.yahoo.com

I’m looking at Travelocity to see if I can book a room!!

73 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:58:15pm

and on that note, nap time beckons

74 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:59:03pm

re: #63 talon_262

Only time will tell the truth.

75 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:59:54pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

I doubt they can be “less” paniced than they are now, not with the aftershocks still hitting and many hundreds of people still unaccounted for

No, in Bahgdad Bobs case he was still trying to rally the loyalists to stand and fight

I’m wondering what it would be like if you lived in the increasing evacuation zone, and they government was saying there has been a meltdown.

Its a large area, and panicked residents could be a disaster, I just suggesting there could be a reason the govt says what it says.

76 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:01:11pm

MSNBC - headlines the term meltdown, but dig a little deeper, and the term isn’t clearly defined.

A “meltdown” is not a technical term. Rather, it is an informal way of referring to a very serious collapse of a power plant’s systems and its ability to manage temperatures.

Yaroslov Shtrombakh, a Russian nuclear expert, said a Chernobyl-style meltdown was unlikely.

“It’s not a fast reaction like at Chernobyl,” he said. “I think that everything will be contained within the grounds, and there will be no big catastrophe.”

In 1986, the Chernobyl nuclear reactor exploded and caught fire, sending a cloud of radiation over much of Europe. That reactor — unlike the Fukushima one — was not housed in a sealed container, so there was no way to contain the radiation once the reactor exploded.

Edwin Lyman, a senior scientist with the Union of Concerned Scientists, which opposes nuclear energy, told msnbc.com Friday that TEPCO was facing a potential catastrophe.

“What’s critical is, are they able to restore cooling and prevent fuel damage? If the fuel starts to get damaged, eventually it will melt through the reactor vessel and drop to the floor of the containment building,” raising the odds that highly radioactive materials could be released into the environment, he said.
msnbc.com

But Steve Kerekes, spokesman for the U.S.-based Nuclear Energy Institute, said that while the situation was serious, a meltdown remains unlikely and, even if it occurred would not necessarily pose a threat to public health and safety.

77 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:01:43pm

re: #75 ozbloke

I’m wondering what it would be like if you lived in the increasing evacuation zone, and they government was saying there has been a meltdown.

Its a large area, and panicked residents could be a disaster, I just suggesting there could be a reason the govt says what it says.

I considered that, but knowing the Japanese culture for an ambassador to publicly say that and then it’s not true ,,,

78 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:06:41pm

re: #76 lawhawk
Good post, I would have thought the term to mean a core actually melting in small part or more.

It’s really all about containment. Keep that intact and all else is relatively acceptable.

79 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:07:20pm

Damn

80 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:13:37pm

re: #78 Rightwingconspirator

Good post, I would have thought the term to mean a core actually melting in small part or more.

It’s really all about containment. Keep that intact and all else is relatively acceptable.

True. So long as it doesn’t breach the containment vessel, then any radioactivity will be (hopefully) limited to the facility itself. Not the most cheerful scenario, but it beats the alternatives.

81 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:17:39pm

So what’s the latest?

82 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:19:43pm

Here is the latest from The Wall Street Journal.
online.wsj.com

83 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:22:28pm

re: #21 Ojoe

With Chernobyl you could attribute the mess to shoddy Russian technology and operation; with this one, you can’t; the Japanese are supposed to be very good technically. This could damage the Nuclear industry way more than Chernobyl has done.

BBL

I believe this was a GE designed and built plant.

84 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:24:25pm

re: #82 PhillyPretzel

Here is the latest from The Wall Street Journal.
[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Wait, there was an explosion? (photo). Damn my broken laptop I’m missing all the news.

85 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:24:30pm

Too bad Aceofwhat isn’t here - a page he posted last year on Thorium reactors is pretty relevant to any discussions of nuclear power:

3. LFTR operates at high temperature, for 50% thermal/electrical conversion efficiency,thus needing only half the cooling required by today’s coal or nuclear plant cooling towers.

4. It is air cooled, critical for arid regions of the Western US and many developing countries where water is scarce.

Sounds to me like if this technology had been in place instead of conventional nuclear reactors, the threat of a meltdown would have been greatly reduced, and much easier to avoid.

86 Simply Sarah  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:24:51pm

re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True. So long as it doesn’t breach the containment vessel, then any radioactivity will be (hopefully) limited to the facility itself. Not the most cheerful scenario, but it beats the alternatives.

Correct. The problem with Chernobyl was the fact that it *lacked* any sort of containment structure around the reactor. Additionally, my understanding is that the explosion at Chernobyl occurred due to the still active reactor suddenly spiking in power, either when they attempted to shut it down (Since apparently the design was flawed in such a way that the shutdown process actually increased reaction activity before it decreased it) or before hand.

These reactors are already shut down, so as long as containment holds, outside damage shouldn’t reach catastrophic (Or, perhaps, not even serious) levels. Of course, if containment fails…then we may have very serious problems.

And yeah, this isn’t going to help any pushes for new (or keeping existing) nuclear power, regardless of how this turns out from here. This is unfortunate, since newer designs are supposed to be extremely. That said, if things go really badly with this, I don’t think I’ll blame people for questioning safety, even if it is short sighted when you look at health effects of other methods of energy production, like gas or coal.

87 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:26:22pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

Wait, there was an explosion? (photo). Damn my broken laptop I’m missing all the news.

It was on that old fangled thing the kids call broadcast TV.

88 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:26:35pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

They say a hydrogen explosion. Maybe due to some venting I think. Then later they said radiation levels were lower after the explosion. It’s early and confusion reigns. The people doing the work are full on busy…

89 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:26:53pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

So what’s the latest?

player lockout in the big dance
bummer

90 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:27:56pm

re: #86 Simply Sarah

See the link I posted in the comment just above yours - Thorium ought to be the future of nuclear technology. Much safer than uranium-based reactors.

91 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:28:00pm

re: #87 Jeff In Ohio
“It was on that old fangled thing the kids call broadcast TV.” Not so old fashioned.

92 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:28:26pm

re: #70 ozbloke

Pebbles would be ok, there worth about as much.

$US is currently below both $CAD and $AUD, I think. A friend was telling me that a few months ago when he was in Vietnam they were asking for Aussie dollars in preference to US ones.

93 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:29:55pm

re: #92 Renaissance_Man

$US is currently below both $CAD and $AUD, I think. A friend was telling me that a few months ago when he was in Vietnam they were asking for Aussie dollars in preference to US ones.

True that, we are just over parity.
We did drop just below it for a little while maybe Thursday or Friday.

94 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:29:57pm

re: #87 Jeff In Ohio

It was on that old fangled thing the kids call broadcast TV.

Haha that I only turn on for crappy reality shows. No patience.

95 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:31:32pm

re: #93 ozbloke

True that, we are just over parity.
We did drop just below it for a little while maybe Thursday or Friday.

Just unbelievable. When I first moved here, it was 70 cents to the dollar. Now I may have to move home to make money in hard currency again.

96 Simply Sarah  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:32:32pm

re: #90 publicityStunted

See the link I posted in the comment just above yours - Thorium ought to be the future of nuclear technology. Much safer than uranium-based reactors.

Well, there are certainly no shortage of options. I won’t pretend to know nearly enough about them to really comment on which ones are best, though (Especially since I’m starting to think the *experts* aren’t really sure, either).

97 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:32:48pm

re: #90 publicityStunted

See the link I posted in the comment just above yours - Thorium ought to be the future of nuclear technology. Much safer than uranium-based reactors.

It’ll be the investment that will end up being attacked, particularly by the Oil Lobby. “Why,” they’ll argue, “should we spend billions investing in a prototype that won’t be ready for 5 years when we can be drilling in those same 5 years? We can have new crude oil on the market when they’re just flipping the switch on this single reactor!”

And, of course, the Know-Nothings will be right there with them, like good little useful idiots. “Yeah! If it works so well, then private industry will invest in it! That they’re not working on it proves that the costs simply don’t outweigh the benefits!”

98 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:32:59pm

re: #89 albusteve

player lockout in the big dance
bummer

Now that is BS I agree. I was reading up on it and def come on side of the players. But of course the fans lose.

In other news Gators v Kentucky tomorrow for the SEC

99 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:33:42pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

Haha that I only turn on for crappy reality shows. No patience.

I heard about the GE thing on my local, rurally located, but also serving the big city…


wait for it…


NPR Radio Station!!!!


Shit, I going old school this week.

Image: old_school_reporter.jpg

Watch me spin!

Image: break.jpg

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:34:29pm

re: #97 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’ll be the investment that will end up being attacked, particularly by the Oil Lobby. “Why,” they’ll argue, “should we spend billions investing in a prototype that won’t be ready for 5 years when we can be drilling in those same 5 years? We can have new crude oil on the market when they’re just flipping the switch on this single reactor!”

And, of course, the Know-Nothings will be right there with them, like good little useful idiots. “Yeah! If it works so well, then private industry will invest in it! That they’re not working on it proves that the costs simply don’t outweigh the benefits!”

You can imagine the know-nothing in the tribe the first time someone started knapping flint. “I can go pick up ten rocks before you can get a single spearhead made…”

101 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:34:44pm

re: #85 publicityStunted

All very theoretical as of yet. Hardware to build, things to test. Thing is ya gotta allow them at all to build on and learn on. That’s our error, running so few, and getting complacent every time oil gets cheap.

102 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:35:40pm

re: #99 Jeff In Ohio

I heard about the GE thing on my local, rurally located, but also serving the big city…

wait for it…

NPR Radio Station!!!

Shit, I going old school this week.

Image: old_school_reporter.jpg

Watch me spin!

Image: break.jpg

All I heard was wait wait today and was so lol in my car.

103 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:36:03pm

re: #95 Renaissance_Man

Just unbelievable. When I first moved here, it was 70 cents to the dollar. Now I may have to move home to make money in hard currency again.

Its a good time for Aussies to import quality US made product, also there has been a boom in companies in Oz setting up to sell US real estate.

Lots of cheap real estate in the states comparatively.
I manage and maintain my own investments here, and the lack of ability to do that is the only thing holding me back from buying some US real estate.

104 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:38:23pm

re: #95 Renaissance_Man

Just unbelievable. When I first moved here, it was 70 cents to the dollar. Now I may have to move home to make money in hard currency again.

when I first encountered Jamaica, the exchange rate was about 70-80 to one, Jamaican dollars (jays or J’s) to ours…as the years went by I opened bank accounts down there that paid me 14% interest a year….to could get hours worth of laundry done for $2, the same for a fine meal….more years went by and the rate began to fall with a bit of Jamaican prosperity, mostly tourism and the processed foods they exported, but it stalled out at 35 to one, yet I was making money hand over fist…good times, cutting deals in back alleys with Chinese money sellers

105 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:38:45pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

All I heard was wait wait today and was so lol in my car.

Chicago liberal thugs.

106 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:40:06pm

re: #97 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’ll be the investment that will end up being attacked, particularly by the Oil Lobby. “Why,” they’ll argue, “should we spend billions investing in a prototype that won’t be ready for 5 years when we can be drilling in those same 5 years? We can have new crude oil on the market when they’re just flipping the switch on this single reactor!”

And, of course, the Know-Nothings will be right there with them, like good little useful idiots. “Yeah! If it works so well, then private industry will invest in it! That they’re not working on it proves that the costs simply don’t outweigh the benefits!”

dreaming up different scenarios is fun….usually none of them are close to reality tho

107 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:42:09pm

re: #105 Jeff In Ohio

Chicago liberal thugs.

We are all thugs now

108 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:43:52pm

re: #106 albusteve

dreaming up different scenarios is fun…usually none of them are close to reality tho

Which part do you dispute?

109 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:44:39pm

re: #101 Rightwingconspirator

All very theoretical as of yet. Hardware to build, things to test. Thing is ya gotta allow them at all to build on and learn on. That’s our error, running so few, and getting complacent every time oil gets cheap.

India (with help from the UK) appears to be investing in Thorium tech:

iopblog.org

The UK is also getting on India’s thorium plans, with five nuclear-research proposals worth more than £2m being jointly funded by the UK’s Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council and by India’s Department of Atomic Energy. One of the grant holders is Mike Fitzpatrick from the Open University, who has already visited India’s Bhabha Atomic Research Centre in Mumbai and claims to be “amazed at the ambition and resource behind India’s nuclear programme, and how much UK researchers could benefit from being associated with it”.

110 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:45:26pm

re: #106 albusteve

dreaming up different scenarios is fun…usually none of them are close to reality tho

I’m hardly bothered with dispute….time will tell or do you see yourself as some above the cut prognosticator?…send me a glossy and resume your fancy

111 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:47:34pm

me thinks it’s time to slam nuclear power as a world wide security crisis…everybody share what they have, start a world wide consortium of govt controlled entities to produce safe power…it’s there to take

112 Kid A  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:50:15pm

Have any wingnut, religious wackos blamed the gays and Japan’s lack of Christian values for why the earthquake happened yet?
/

113 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:51:30pm

re: #111 albusteve

me thinks it’s time to slam nuclear power as a world wide security crisis…everybody share what they have, start a world wide consortium of govt controlled entities to produce safe power…it’s there to take

and start up a new community down in the deep MN high desert, named Luddville…totally off the grid with their wind propellers and solar panels….and donkeys….hey, they’re edible!

114 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:52:17pm

re: #112 Kid A

Have any wingnut, religious wackos blamed the gays and Japan’s lack of Christian values for why the earthquake happened yet?
/

yeah, that joke is already a day old, maybe more…ho hum

115 Kid A  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:52:51pm

It would be just one of many instances in which teh geys, abortion, decadence have incurred God’s wrath.

Youtube Video
116 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:55:32pm

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well…fuck.

Yeah. Sigh.

117 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:56:07pm

re: #110 albusteve

I’m hardly bothered with dispute…time will tell or do you see yourself as some above the cut prognosticator?…send me a glossy and resume your fancy

Nah, just consider myself as someone who observes things as they are, rather than as I wish they were. Such as believing that oil companies will ever put forward any “solutions” to our energy crises besides drilling for more oil, or that people who can’t look beyond their own bank accounts will ever support a solution that costs them money.

118 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:56:55pm

who else can roger a disaster of epic proportion into a Tea Party joke?
hooya hooya!
that’s some altered perspective….for the masses I guess

119 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:57:34pm

re: #112 Kid A
Not that I have noticed. I am sure somewhere someone is starting to talk about it.

120 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:58:32pm

re: #117 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, just consider myself as someone who observes things as they are, rather than as I wish they were. Such as believing that oil companies will ever put forward any “solutions” to our energy crises besides drilling for more oil, or that people who can’t look beyond their own bank accounts will ever support a solution that costs them money.

yes, we are hosed royally
the shit will hit the fan sooner than later

121 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:00:08pm

re: #120 albusteve

yes, we are hosed royally
the shit will hit the fan sooner than later

The shit’s been hitting the fan for years now, some folks have just gotten comfortable behind the fan. They’ve even convinced themselves that there’s no smell at all.

122 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:02:16pm

re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The shit’s been hitting the fan for years now, some folks have just gotten comfortable behind the fan. They’ve even convinced themselves that there’s no smell at all.

on that we agree….crisis forces change
and we are headed for one, pedal to the metal

123 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:05:13pm

re: #70 ozbloke

Pebbles would be ok, there worth about as much.

Last I checked the Canadian dollar was at par with US.

(Checks)

Pretty much, a Canadian dollar is now worth $1.03 US.

124 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06:08pm

re: #101 Rightwingconspirator

All very theoretical as of yet. Hardware to build, things to test. Thing is ya gotta allow them at all to build on and learn on. That’s our error, running so few, and getting complacent every time oil gets cheap.

This from Wikipedia:

According to Australian science writer Tim Dean, “thorium promises what uranium never delivered: abundant, safe and clean energy - and a way to burn up old radioactive waste.”[16] With a thorium nuclear reactor, Dean stresses a number of added benefits: there is no possibility of a meltdown, it generates power inexpensively, it does not produce weapons-grade by-products, and will burn up existing high-level waste as well as nuclear weapon stockpiles.[16] Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, of the British Telegraph daily, suggests that “Obama could kill fossil fuels overnight with a nuclear dash for thorium,” and could put “an end to our dependence on fossil fuels within three to five years.”[14]
The Thorium Energy Alliance (TEA), an educational advocacy organization, emphasizes that “there is enough thorium in the United States alone to power the country at its current energy level for over 1,000 years.” [17] Reducing coal as an energy source, according to science expert Lester R. Brown of The Earth Policy Institute in Washington DC, would significantly reduce medical costs from breathing coal pollutants. Brown estimates that coal-related deaths and diseases are currently costing the U.S. up to $160 billion annually.”[18]

Although if one reads on a bit it CAN produce weapons grade material if designed to do so.

Still, what private industry is going to invest the billions to prove the technology?

Needless to say, the powers that be don’t think US government should be in this business, which is why, if it is developed, we will be buying (borrowing) it from the Chinese or Europeans, or Israel, in the future.

125 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:07:24pm

re: #123 Romantic Heretic

Last I checked the Canadian dollar was at par with US.

(Checks)

Pretty much, a Canadian dollar is now worth $1.03 US.

it was 60 cents on the dollar the last time I lived it up in Toronto…times change eh?…and Mexico is definitely out nowdays

126 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:07:35pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

On the upside

Lost city of Atlantis, swamped by tsunami, may be found

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

I’m looking at Travelocity to see if I can book a room!!

You don’t want to go there. These people rule it.

gamerdna.com

127 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:07:36pm

Okay, this was a huge explosion:

Youtube Video
128 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:08:28pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

Okay, this was a huge explosion:


[Video]

an explosion of whiteness

129 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:08:28pm
Youtube Video
130 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:08:48pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

[Video]

two fer two

131 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:10:08pm

re: #122 albusteve

on that we agree…crisis forces change
and we are headed for one, pedal to the metal

Crisis has a way of changing people’s priorities. We’re slowly coming to the realization, as a nation, that we need to start looking towards the future rather than being content with the here and now. And the future relies upon us making decisions that, though they may cost more in the short term, will reap huge rewards down the road.

132 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:11:47pm

re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Crisis has a way of changing people’s priorities. We’re slowly coming to the realization, as a nation, that we need to start looking towards the future rather than being content with the here and now. And the future relies upon us making decisions that, though they may cost more in the short term, will reap huge rewards down the road.

really…in the meantime we need oil to fuel some sort of recovery, most of which I think is pure hogshit

133 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:11:58pm

re: #130 albusteve

Yep, it works in Preview which is strange.

134 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:12:00pm

re: #117 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, just consider myself as someone who observes things as they are, rather than as I wish they were. Such as believing that oil companies will ever put forward any “solutions” to our energy crises besides drilling for more oil, or that people who can’t look beyond their own bank accounts will ever support a solution that costs them money.

Old joke.

You know when we’ll get solar power? When Exxon figures out a way to bring it to us in a truck.

135 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:13:51pm

One more try:

Youtube Video
136 Racer X  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:15:03pm

I blame Bush.

137 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:15:20pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

One more try:


[Video]

thanks…good going

138 justaminute  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:15:47pm

Gotta Go for a minute but on CNN various voices are questioning the openness of the Japanese. Interesting.

139 Professor Chaos  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:16:59pm

All we need is Dr. Manhattan to synthesize enough lithium for us to run everything off of batteries.

So…who wants to jump in the Intrisic Field Subtractor?

140 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:17:24pm

re: #132 albusteve

really…in the meantime we need oil to fuel some sort of recovery, most of which I think is pure hogshit

What we need, more than anything else, is to look beyond the next year or the next couple of years. Recovery is more than just getting back to where we were, it’s setting the stage for future growth and success. We’re not doing that if we double down on “cheap oil.”

141 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:17:28pm

re: #138 justaminute

The Japenense nuclear industry has had problems with open reporting of problems for years. It would not be surprising if it happened here.

142 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:19:20pm

re: #139 Girth

All we need is Dr. Manhattan to synthesize enough lithium for us to run everything off of batteries.

So…who wants to jump in the Intrisic Field Subtractor?

Uhm…sure, why not. Just so long as somebody’s waiting with a pair of underwear for when I get myself back together.

143 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:19:47pm

Just got home from seeing Battle Los Angeles. Not a bad sci-fi movie.

144 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:20:36pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just got home from seeing Battle Los Angeles. Not a bad sci-fi movie.

Scale of 1-10?

145 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:20:47pm

re: #136 Racer X

I blame Bush.

Greetings, stranger.

146 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:21:31pm

re: #136 Racer X

I blame Bush.

Dude where ya been? :)

147 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:21:35pm

re: #138 justaminute

Gotta Go for a minute but on CNN various voices are questioning the openness of the Japanese. Interesting.

Japan has never been known for openess. It’s the the matter of avoiding being shamed.

148 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:22:25pm

re: #136 Racer X

I blame Bush.

Great to see you, Racer.

149 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:22:41pm

re: #144 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’d give it a seven. It’s a good flick, not a great movie.

150 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:22:43pm

re: #136 Racer X

I blame Bush.

Which one?

/

151 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:23:34pm

re: #144 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Scale of 1-10?

8ish, better than Independence Day, not as good as The Thing.

152 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:23:56pm

re: #149 BishopX

I’d give it a seven. It’s a good flick, not a great movie.

Yeah, good, but not a classic.

153 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:24:52pm

re: #150 Sergey Romanov
That is a good one. It is probably W.

154 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:25:09pm

re: #149 BishopX

I’d give it a seven. It’s a good flick, not a great movie.

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, good, but not a classic.

Cool, think I’ll check it out next day I have off. I’m just thankful I went with my first instincts and avoided Skyline, since I’ve heard nothing but bad reviews about it.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:25:42pm

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

8ish, better than Independence Day, not as good as The Thing.

Worth seeing then? Does it end on a positive note or with sequel-bait?

156 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:26:01pm

re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Crisis has a way of changing people’s priorities. We’re slowly coming to the realization, as a nation, that we need to start looking towards the future rather than being content with the here and now. And the future relies upon us making decisions that, though they may cost more in the short term, will reap huge rewards down the road.

That is not how Wall Street operates.

157 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:26:10pm

re: #153 PhillyPretzel

That is a good one. It is probably W.

We can just blame the ancestor. Covers all bases. //

158 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:27:22pm

re: #154 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cool, think I’ll check it out next day I have off. I’m just thankful I went with my first instincts and avoided Skyline, since I’ve heard nothing but bad reviews about it.

The guys behind Skyline originally were on the effects crew for Battle: LA. They’re being sued right now for stealing materials and intellectual property to make Skyline.

159 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:27:26pm

re: #157 Sergey Romanov
It does.

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:27:28pm

Our Friend the Atom; part 4 (Nuclear Reactions) and 5 (Harnessing the Atom).

Commentator in Part 5 mentions that oil and gas will run out…

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
161 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:28:25pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Worth seeing then? Does it end on a positive note or with sequel-bait?

Upbeat, with no obvious “Join us next time” moment.

162 Racer X  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:28:46pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

Dude where ya been? :)

I had to get away.

163 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:29:21pm

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

8ish, better than Independence Day, not as good as The Thing.

I’m torn on this versus Independence day, I really like Will Smith in that, and while Aaron Eckhart delived possibly a better performance overall, there was nothing on par the “welcome to earth motherfucker” line.

I do think it’s interesting how Iraq/Afganistan has influenced our ideas of what an alien invasion would be like though.

164 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:29:23pm
165 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:29:40pm

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Upbeat, with no obvious “Join us next time” moment.

Good.

166 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:30:04pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

I fixed that video problem you had.

167 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:30:37pm

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Upbeat, with no obvious “Join us next time” moment.

Not that that will stop the studio, if it does well in theaters.

168 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:31:29pm

re: #162 Racer X

I had to get away.

That can happen. Anything new in your life you’d care to share? The job I took in last June has been going fairly well.

169 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:31:34pm

re: #163 BishopX

I’m torn on this versus Independence day, I really like Will Smith in that, and while Aaron Eckhart delived possibly a better performance overall, there was nothing on par the “welcome to earth motherfucker” line.

I do think it’s interesting how Iraq/Afganistan has influenced our ideas of what an alien invasion would be like though.

I liked it better since it at least avoided the “We’ll upload a virus to the alien mainframe” moment.

170 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:32:28pm

Well, UT was game, but Kansas was better. That is one hell of a basketball team.

As to the subject at hand let’s all hold good thoughts for those poor people. Quake, tsunami, possible meltdown. That’s a horrid 48 hours.

171 Racer X  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:32:57pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

The job I took in last June has been going fairly well.

Glad to hear it!

172 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:33:38pm

Disclaimer: The fact I think Michelle Rodriguez is kind of hot does not effect my overall ranking.

173 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:34:15pm

re: #162 Racer X

I had to get away.

Well good to see ya.

174 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:34:50pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I liked it better since it at least avoided the “We’ll upload a virus to the alien mainframe” moment.

Those wars have shifted the idea of war from the 1990’s idea of airstrikes to down and dirty infantry combat, which is a better way of thinking about war, IMO.

175 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:35:01pm

re: #162 Racer X

I had to get away.

A song for Racer X!

Youtube Video
176 HoosierHoops  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:35:35pm

re: #170 austin_blue

Well, UT was game, but Kansas was better. That is one hell of a basketball team.

As to the subject at hand let’s all hold good thoughts for those poor people. Quake, tsunami, possible meltdown. That’s a horrid 48 hours.

I agree..Think i’ll pick Kansas for my brackets

177 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:36:16pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Those wars have shifted the idea of war from the 1990’s idea of airstrikes to down and dirty infantry combat, which is a better way of thinking about war, IMO.

This one did make a pretty good balance between the two. It was the basically the central point of the conflict.

178 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:38:48pm

Hacker Collective Anonymous To Release Documents Proving Bank Of America Committed Fraud This Monday

zerohedge.com

179 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:39:19pm

re: #176 HoosierHoops

I agree..Think i’ll pick Kansas for my brackets

Doesn’t help when your freshman superstar post plays, like, twelve minutes.

Damn you Tristan! Quit hacking the Morris twins!

180 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:39:58pm

re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was a little annoyed about the whole linking F.O.B’s to B-52 thing though… I mean seriously?

181 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:40:57pm

re: #178 Sergey Romanov

Hacker Collective Anonymous To Release Documents Proving Bank Of America Committed Fraud This Monday

[Link: www.zerohedge.com…]

Ah, Bank of America. They have my mortgage.

Motto:

“The Power to Be Indifferent”

182 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:41:28pm

CNN puts “terror attack” in scare quotes when describing the massacre of a Jewish family.

If slitting the throat of a 3-month-old infant and stabbing a 4-year-old in the heart is not a “terror attack” then what is?

183 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:41:35pm

re: #178 Sergey Romanov

Hacker Collective Anonymous To Release Documents Proving Bank Of America Committed Fraud This Monday

[Link: www.zerohedge.com…]

Should be interesting to watch the stock market if this turns out to be true.

184 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:42:22pm

BofA fraud?
unpossible!

185 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:42:56pm

Sixth Japanese nuclear reactor loses cooling

Yet another reactor in Japan’s Fukushima nuclear-power complexes has lost its cooling, bringing the total number of problematic reactors in northeastern Japan after Friday afternoon’s megaquake to six.

This information was provided in a one-line advisory by Japan’s Kyodo News, which is closely montoring developments at Fukushima No. 1 (Daiichi) and Fuskushima No. 2 (Daini): “6th reactor at Fukushima nuke plant loses cooling functions.”

In addition, Kyodo News reports that “15 people near Fukushima nuke plants [have been] exposed to radioactivity.”

i

186 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:43:13pm

re: #182 Alouette
It sounds like a terror attack to me. I am surprised they know how to use quote marks.

187 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:43:44pm

re: #180 BishopX

I was a little annoyed about the whole linking F.O.B’s to B-52 thing though… I mean seriously?

Or a Staff Sergeant at 20 years of service?

188 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:44:07pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Sixth Japanese nuclear reactor loses cooling

i

I’d ask “What’s the worst that could happen?,” but at this point, I don’t think I really wanna know.

189 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:44:22pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Sixth Japanese nuclear reactor loses cooling

i

Well, fuck me running. Nothing but good news…

190 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:45:04pm

re: #182 Alouette

CNN puts “terror attack” in scare quotes when describing the massacre of a Jewish family.

If slitting the throat of a 3-month-old infant and stabbing a 4-year-old in the heart is not a “terror attack” then what is?

CNN just won this month’s “Magical Balance Fairy Booby Prize”.

191 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:45:12pm

re: #182 Alouette

It’s pretty standard. They were quoting the military. I don’t know about CNN’s standards for this kind of thing, but the BBC, and the Boston Globe both tends to use quotes in headlines. The New York Times does it too.

192 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:45:27pm

re: #187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or a Staff Sergeant at 20 years of service?

OK, what did I miss?

193 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:46:43pm

re: #188 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’d ask “What’s the worst that could happen?,” but at this point, I don’t think I really wanna know.

“Tokyo a Glowing Pit After Asteroid Strike”

194 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:47:12pm

re: #182 Alouette

CNN puts “terror attack” in scare quotes when describing the massacre of a Jewish family.

If slitting the throat of a 3-month-old infant and stabbing a 4-year-old in the heart is not a “terror attack” then what is?

I watched some of the lefty reaction to the story earlier. Huffpo and DKos haven’t changed a whole lot over the years.

195 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:48:10pm

re: #192 austin_blue

OK, what did I miss?

Script writers who need to talk to a military adviser before moving ahead with a project.

196 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:48:11pm

re: #193 austin_blue

“Tokyo a Glowing Pit After Asteroid Strike”

And knowing Tokyo’s luck, it’d come down right on top of Tokyo Tower.

197 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:48:13pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I watched some of the lefty reaction to the story earlier. Huffpo and DKos haven’t changed a whole lot over the years.

Still a lot of contemptible Moonbats out there. Idjits.

198 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:49:31pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I watched some of the lefty reaction to the story earlier. Huffpo and DKos haven’t changed a whole lot over the years.

Actually they have changed a good bit, but not when it comes to Israel. On matters related to Israel, there are still sections of the left that are seriously fucked up. Murdering children in their sleep like that can never be justified. Period.

199 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:51:37pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I watched some of the lefty reaction to the story earlier. Huffpo and DKos haven’t changed a whole lot over the years.

assholes…Israeli blood is red, just like theirs
one thing about the internet, it makes more enemies than friends out of people….the Israelis live, laugh, weep and die just like those cold blooded political animals at Kos, and elsewhere…politics is for the weak and bored

200 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:51:55pm

re: #187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah…the films grasp of all things military was better than most, but still not terribly good.

Speaking of unfortunate coincidences, There was a collective in-drawn breath in the theater at the mention of asteroids hitting off the coast of Japan. They really could have picked a better weekend for opening.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:54:08pm

Leading conservatives and evolution:

digbysblog.blogspot.com

202 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:54:44pm

re: #200 BishopX

Yeah…the films grasp of all things military was better than most, but still not terribly good.

Speaking of unfortunate coincidences, There was a collective in-drawn breath in the theater at the mention of asteroids hitting off the coast of Japan. They really could have picked a better weekend for opening.

Yeah, that was a bit too close to home. Not their fault really.

203 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:55:38pm

I don’t really get why people are so offended by “terror attack” when five people get murdered. I am not going to be popular for this but terrorism is turning into a term that just means that a Muslim murder some one.

When is murder not terrorism?

204 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:57:47pm

re: #203 The Yankee

I don’t really get why people are so offended by “terror attack” when five people get murdered. I am not going to be popular for this but terrorism is turning into a term that just means that a Muslim murder some one.

When is murder not terrorism?

Because this sort of attack was committed to advance a political agenda; In this case chasing Israeli settlers out of the West Bank. Murders committed to advance a political agenda like that can properly be classed as terrorism.

205 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:58:03pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

It is folly to build machines that you cannot turn off.

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:58:54pm

re: #199 albusteve

assholes…Israeli blood is red, just like theirs
one thing about the internet, it makes more enemies than friends out of people…the Israelis live, laugh, weep and die just like those cold blooded political animals at Kos, and elsewhere…politics is for the weak and bored

Note that KT himself said in the prev. thread that at DKos people shouted at that poster (who wrote something silly and moonbatty, though he didn’t try to justify the murder).

207 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:59:29pm

re: #181 austin_blue

Ah, Bank of America. They have my mortgage.

Motto:

“The Power to Be Indifferent”

Right on, although they weren’t that way some years ago before they fired all the humans that worked for them full time. The turnover of tellers at the local branch is worse than at MacDonalds.

208 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:00:06pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I watched some of the lefty reaction to the story earlier. Huffpo and DKos haven’t changed a whole lot over the years.

What kind of sick fuck can justify slitting the throat of a 3-month-old and stabbing a 4-year-old in the heart? Even if they are “settlers”?

I’m sure there were many invocations of the Magical Goldstein Balance Fairy.

209 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:01:19pm

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

Note that KT himself said in the prev. thread that at DKos people shouted at that poster (who wrote something silly and moonbatty, though he didn’t try to justify the murder).

good, so be it
I get touchy with regard to Israel, and I don’t even know one token Jew at the moment

210 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:02:12pm

re: #207 Naso Tang

Right on, although they weren’t that way some years ago before they fired all the humans that worked for them full time. The turnover of tellers at the local branch is worse than at MacDonalds.

I actually had a fairly good experience with them when I had to come in to a branch to have a mistake corrected. The mistake shouldn’t have happened in the first place, but the manager took it seriously and did fix it without me having to do anything more.

211 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:02:31pm

re: #203 The Yankee

I don’t really get why people are so offended by “terror attack” when five people get murdered. I am not going to be popular for this but terrorism is turning into a term that just means that a Muslim murder some one.

When is murder not terrorism?

Not someone. A family, including a three year old stabbed to death while sleeping, and not for robbery.

It was either terrorism or insanity. Take your pick.

212 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:03:02pm

re: #211 Naso Tang

Not someone. A family, including a three year old stabbed to death while sleeping, and not for robbery.

It was either terrorism or insanity. Take your pick.

How about evil?

213 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:03:41pm

re: #211 Naso Tang

Not someone. A family, including a three year old stabbed to death while sleeping, and not for robbery.

It was either terrorism or insanity. Take your pick.

As DF pointed out, since it was political, it’s terrorism.

214 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:05:17pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

If a gang kills a witness to make others scared of informing is that also terrorism.

Just that the term seems to be used a lot now to allow the authorities to go over board to counter act it. I know that Israel is in a hard situation.

215 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:05:39pm

re: #212 Alouette

How about evil?

it’s all three obviously….
I sleep with my shotgun

216 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:06:17pm

re: #214 The Yankee

If a gang kills a witness to make others scared of informing is that also terrorism.

Just that the term seems to be used a lot now to allow the authorities to go over board to counter act it. I know that Israel is in a hard situation.

Does it really matter though? It’s murder.

217 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:07:43pm

re: #215 albusteve
I have a loaded .38 spl in my nightstand.

218 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:08:28pm

re: #212 Alouette

How about evil?

Evil is a word we use to describe some conscious actions, not an entity.

219 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:08:55pm

re: #216 Sergey Romanov

Yea I agree that it is murder I don’t understand why people are offended by CNN putting “terror attack” in quotes I think they are right it is becoming a vague term.

220 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:10:06pm

re: #217 PhillyPretzel

I have a loaded .38 spl in my nightstand.

yup….don’t go down without a fight
I’m a very light sleeper in general and when I lock up the bunkhouse I doubt anyone could get in without me knowing…and I WILL defend my castle

221 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:11:14pm

re: #219 The Yankee

Yea I agree that it is murder I don’t understand why people are offended by CNN putting “terror attack” in quotes I think they are right it is becoming a vague term.

the quote marks are an expression of PC

222 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:12:01pm

Japan quake: China sets aside disputes, offers help

When news of the disaster spread Friday, Chinese leaders were quick to offer condolences and support. China is also earthquake-prone - a deadly 5.8-magnitude tremor just hit southwestern Yunnan province Thursday - and officials here immediately put a trained rescue team in place to dispatch to Japan if needed.

The Chinese defense minister, Liang Guanglie, called his Japanese counterpart, Toshimi Kitazawa, to offer military assets. The Red Cross Society of China pledged 1 million yuan, or about $152,087, to help Japan. Chinese premier Wen Jiabao also had a telephone conversation Friday with Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan and offered China’s condolences and help.

China’s rapid show of sympathy and solidarity toward an Asian neighbor in distress stands in sharp contrast to the heated rhetoric of the past half-year, which saw noisy anti-Japanese demonstrations in some cities and the canceling of some ministry-level exchanges and tour groups.

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:12:07pm

re: #219 The Yankee

Yea I agree that it is murder I don’t understand why people are offended by CNN putting “terror attack” in quotes I think they are right it is becoming a vague term.

It’s easy to understand why people are offended. That doesn’t mean CNN is wrong in this (or right), but the offense is understandable - the presumption of scare quotes.

224 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:12:41pm

re: #222 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Japan quake: China sets aside disputes, offers help

terrific news, whatever the backhanded reason…and there is one

225 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:12:41pm

re: #219 The Yankee

Yea I agree that it is murder I don’t understand why people are offended by CNN putting “terror attack” in quotes I think they are right it is becoming a vague term.

It’s possibly determined adherence to an ethic that waits for the facts of the crime to be established by the authorities.

226 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:13:14pm

re: #219 The Yankee

Yea I agree that it is murder I don’t understand why people are offended by CNN putting “terror attack” in quotes I think they are right it is becoming a vague term.

Because that is often done to minimize the murders, and to put the idea of fighting terrorist organizations into disrepute. Sometimes the term can be vague, but this is not one of those times.

227 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:13:29pm

re: #222 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

$152,000 donation! Wow/

228 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:14:59pm

re: #219 The Yankee

Yea I agree that it is murder I don’t understand why people are offended by CNN putting “terror attack” in quotes I think they are right it is becoming a vague term.

Mass murder is a more accurate term for now until the perps are caught. If the mass murder was committed for political reasons then terror attack is the correct usage.

229 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:15:57pm

re: #227 Naso Tang

$152,000 donation! Wow/

but nothing would please me more to have those Hong Kong billionaires kow tow through Kowloon sharing their kow pen yum with the Japanese

230 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:16:33pm

re: #228 Alouette

Mass murder is a more accurate term for now until the perps are caught. If the mass murder was committed for political reasons then terror attack is the correct usage.

some nut from Fatah already took the credit, no?

231 Virginia Plain  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:17:36pm

If you want to donate to the Red Cross’ efforts: Donate

232 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:18:51pm

re: #229 albusteve

but nothing would please me more to have those Hong Kong billionaires kow tow through Kowloon sharing their kow pen yum with the Japanese

They’ll make it back quick enough when they get exclusive rights to oil from Libya now that everyone else is distracted, with a token to their hangers on, the Russians.

233 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:20:01pm

re: #224 albusteve

terrific news, whatever the backhanded reason…and there is one

Yes, cost/benefit, its how the world works.
Been happening a long time now.

234 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:23:12pm

re: #230 albusteve

some nut from Fatah already took the credit, no?

Al Aqsa (of Fatah) took the credit, although that by itself means nothing in regard to reality - they often take credit just for the sake of it. But it says something about Fatah that they won’t condemn their “military wing”.

235 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:23:46pm

And over at the Blog of the Damned, the Stalkers are using an article about Iran’s bigoted complaint about London’s 2012 Olympic logo (which Iran claims can be rearranged to spell “Zion”, to engage in their own bits of anti-Muslim bigotry, with some hatred of Charles and Iceweasel thrown in as well. Psycho losers, that’s them.

236 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:25:50pm

RT @thedeadhandbook : NHK saying that at least one rod in Unit 1 did melt, first meltdown in japan’s history

237 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:26:51pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

And over at the Blog of the Damned, the Stalkers are using an article about Iran’s bigoted complaint about London’s 2012 Olympic logo (which Iran claims can be rearranged to spell “Zion”, to engage in their own bits of anti-Muslim bigotry, with some hatred of Charles and Iceweasel thrown in as well. Psycho losers, that’s them.

sorry, I’m unimpressed

238 celticdragon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:27:34pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

I’m positive the anti-nuke crowd will use this to their benefit.

And why would they not? Nuclear meltdowns tend to be nasty events for entire regions and everybody who lives around.


Also, a cousin of mine was coordinating evacuation of senior citizens from RV parks at the ocean front in Crescent City Harbor (in Northern California) yesterday. She got them out in time before the harbor was completely wiped out by a series of tsunamis up to 8.1 feet. All the docks are gone and 35 boats were wrecked (I used to go fishing and crabbing off the docks at Crescent City) Brookings in Oregon took a bad hit too.


And a correction. I stated incorrectly yesterday that you should expect plastic rock deformation at 6 miles down in a normal geo-gradient. This is incorrect. The transition to plasticity begins at 6 miles down (or about 10 km), but true plastic rock deformation starts at about 14 km down in a normal geo-gradient. Apologies.

239 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:27:57pm

“fuel has been damaged and a significant quantity of radioactive material released” — NHK re Unit 1.

240 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:32:12pm

re: #239 Stanley Sea

“fuel has been damaged and a significant quantity of radioactive material released” — NHK re Unit 1.

Released into the facility? Into the surrounding area? Into the atmosphere?

Not sounding too encouraging right now.

241 palomino  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:32:43pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

And over at the Blog of the Damned, the Stalkers are using an article about Iran’s bigoted complaint about London’s 2012 Olympic logo (which Iran claims can be rearranged to spell “Zion”, to engage in their own bits of anti-Muslim bigotry, with some hatred of Charles and Iceweasel thrown in as well. Psycho losers, that’s them.

That logo barely even spells out “2012”. It sure as hell doesn’t spell “Zion.” This is just paranoid bigotry. The only thing wrong with that logo is that it’s butt ugly and should have come in last place in the design competition.

242 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:32:59pm

re: #238 celticdragon

I googled it, beautiful little harbor…what a shame, but as a former boat owner, both power and sail, I presume some of those owners were delighted…boats are a money pit

243 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:33:53pm

re: #241 palomino

That logo barely even spells out “2012”. It sure as hell doesn’t spell “Zion.” This is just paranoid bigotry. The only thing wrong with that logo is that it’s butt ugly and should have come in last place in the design competition.

Not to mention that someone authorized $650,000 to be spent on designing and creating this monstrosity.

244 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:34:12pm

re: #241 palomino

That logo barely even spells out “2012”. It sure as hell doesn’t spell “Zion.” This is just paranoid bigotry. The only thing wrong with that logo is that it’s butt ugly and should have come in last place in the design competition.

what ever happened to the maxi mosque planned in London, right next to the new stadium?

245 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:34:25pm

re: #188 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’d ask “What’s the worst that could happen?,” but at this point, I don’t think I really wanna know.

A nuclear scare keeps us on oil long enough to drive the oceans to anoxia. Sulfur reducing bacteria start to produce copious amounts of hydrogen sulfide. H2S accumulates in the atmosphere killing the majority of non-bacterial life on the planet.

I didn’t want to know either. :(

246 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:34:41pm

Evening lizards! What’s the latest on the meltdown?

BTW…UConn is up 27-15 over Louisville in the 1st half.

247 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:34:48pm

re: #240 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Released into the facility? Into the surrounding area? Into the atmosphere?

Not sounding too encouraging right now.

Don’t know, was reccomended to follow David Hoffman on twitter for best news.

@thedeadhandbook

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:35:01pm

Seems like macondo5 has a hard-on for terrorist racist group JDL:

sassywire.wordpress.com

sassywire.wordpress.com

sassywire.wordpress.com

sassywire.wordpress.com

Why is he allowed to post here?

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:35:27pm

re: #244 albusteve

what ever happened to the maxi mosque planned in London, right next to the new stadium?

No clue. Does ‘maxi’ refer to the size of the mosque, or the length of the skirts the ladies there wear?

250 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:35:36pm

re: #243 Alouette

Not to mention that someone authorized $650,000 to be spent on designing and creating this monstrosity.

which defines all that is wrong with western man…some pretty easy money there

251 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:36:26pm

Good night to my fellow Lizards. Prayers to the Japanese that everything works out for them. I hope that there is very little damage to their reactors. Also please remember to spring forward for Daylight Saving Time.

252 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:36:55pm

re: #238 celticdragon

Glad to see you here - I found something on which I’d be really interested in your input, given your geology credentials:

Seismic Activity; Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Glaciers, and Drilling

If atmospheric pressure can affect tectonic plates when it was long held that it could not, then oil or natural gas drilling may also affect tectonic plates by drilling into continental crust and oceanic crust. Seismic activity for oil drilling is low, but there are 3,000 oilrigs worldwide.
…
We’ve caused tremors from natural gas drilling already.

How much truth is there to this?

253 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:37:24pm

Just popping in to give my regards. Too much depressing news today and it’s been a long week, so I’m going to go read a book or watch a movie or something.

Hope you all have a night night.

254 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:38:27pm

#nuclear NHK GOJ spokesman: there is air contamination because of venting. to control situation. not at level unsafe to humans.

255 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:39:45pm

re: #241 palomino

That logo barely even spells out “2012”. It sure as hell doesn’t spell “Zion.” This is just paranoid bigotry. The only thing wrong with that logo is that it’s butt ugly and should have come in last place in the design competition.

That logo is a cry for help. Absolutely terrible. Committees should not do graphic design.

256 Boyo  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:39:48pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

And over at the Blog of the Damned, the Stalkers are using an article about Iran’s bigoted complaint about London’s 2012 Olympic logo (which Iran claims can be rearranged to spell “Zion”, to engage in their own bits of anti-Muslim bigotry, with some hatred of Charles and Iceweasel thrown in as well. Psycho losers, that’s them.

hey dark, the stalkers love every time you post there doings here.

what do you get out of it?

257 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:39:56pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

Just popping in to give my regards. Too much depressing news today and it’s been a long week, so I’m going to go read a book or watch a movie or something.

Hope you all have a night night.

Hi and bye CL

258 Stanghazi  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:41:13pm

#nuclear NHK Edano “the rod is now under water” was there a meltdown? “a possibility, it is inside, we cannot see, we are assuming it has”

259 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:42:09pm

re: #256 Boyo

hey dark, the stalkers love every time you post there doings here.

what do you get out of it?

I just don’t like giving them a pass.

260 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:42:36pm

re: #252 publicityStunted

Glad to see you here - I found something on which I’d be really interested in your input, given your geology credentials:

Seismic Activity; Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Glaciers, and Drilling

How much truth is there to this?

and is fracking, in fact, causing seismic activity in Arkansas?

261 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:43:58pm

re: #252 publicityStunted

Glad to see you here - I found something on which I’d be really interested in your input, given your geology credentials:

Seismic Activity; Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Glaciers, and Drilling

How much truth is there to this?

Don’t know oil/gas drilling, but the Army caused (and paid for) small earthquakes by drilling waste liquid injection wells at a Rocky Mtn installation. The problem was the mechanics of the liquid.

262 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:44:15pm

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

No clue. Does ‘maxi’ refer to the size of the mosque, or the length of the skirts the ladies there wear?

it’s a pod, or pad or whatever….just stole the word meaning the opposite of minnie, which, of course, is a rat

263 Boyo  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:45:00pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

I just don’t like giving them a pass.

ok

264 palomino  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:49:25pm

re: #243 Alouette

Not to mention that someone authorized $650,000 to be spent on designing and creating this monstrosity.

Unbelievable. What a waste. It would be an eyesore at $650. At $650 thousand, it’s a headache inducing abomination.

265 sagehen  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:50:01pm

re: #214 The Yankee

If a gang kills a witness to make others scared of informing is that also terrorism.

Legally, no it’s not. That’s first degree murder with special circumstances.

266 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:52:04pm

re: #264 palomino

Unbelievable. What a waste. It would be an eyesore at $650. At $650 thousand, it’s a headache inducing abomination.

Yes—how many man-hours could that require?

267 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:02:27pm

re: #260 albusteve

and is fracking, in fact, causing seismic activity in Arkansas?

The only seismic activity we get in Sask. is from mining so human activity can cause measurable and in at least one case noticeable quakes.

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:05:42pm

re: #267 b_sharp

The only seismic activity we get in Sask. is from mining so human activity can cause measurable and in at least one case noticeable quakes.

Is the province still using the motto “Easy to draw, impossible to spell”?

:)

269 aagcobb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:24:41pm

The Japanese government is now saying that a partial meltdown is likely underway

270 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:28:10pm

re: #241 palomino

That logo barely even spells out “2012”. It sure as hell doesn’t spell “Zion.” This is just paranoid bigotry. The only thing wrong with that logo is that it’s butt ugly and should have come in last place in the design competition.

Arabic is read from right to left.

271 palomino  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:07:20pm

re: #270 austin_blue

Arabic is read from right to left.

Doesn’t matter which direction you read it, there’s no Zion there.

272 Spocomptonite  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:12:40pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the end of the nuclear power industry.

Actually, I predict two things will happen:

1) Populism in the U.S. will continue and unreasonable NIMBY-ness will further deteriorate any chance of the U.S. having substantial nuclear power.

2) The Japanese will rally behind further funding and researching their state-of-the-art reactors (like the really awesome thorium/liquid salt reactors) so they can replace the old reactors like this one that pose a threat to nuclear meltdown. And they will economically benefit from being a a leader in nuclear power technology.

This is, of course, assuming the Japan and/or the downwind U.S. doesn’t become the real-life Fallout 3…

273 srjh  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:06:50pm

Seems very difficult to get meaningful news about the reactor at the moment - most of what’s coming out sounds like either spin or fearmongering.

I really hope this doesn’t kill the nuclear power industry, particularly the more modern reactor designs, and in geologically stable regions. In the longer term, we should be moving towards renewables, but building coal power plants instead of nuclear in the interim is crazy.

For instance, here in Australia, we probably have the perfect country for nuclear energy, but the nimby and green brigades have kept nuclear out in favour of coal.


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