Rachel Maddow on the Violent Anti-Abortion Movement
The right wing is inciting violence against women’s health providers
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:47:00pm |
At some point, the cognitive dissonance of “pro-life” protesters threatening the life of abortion doctors is just mind blowing.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:49:57pm |
The pro life political movement by and large seems to care more about making life miserable for women who choose to get abortions and the doctors/nurses that perform the abortion than actually working to stop and lower the conditions that make women choose to get abortions in the first place. Former Senator Simpson of Wyoming said it best recently, it’s moronic to think as many of these people do that women wake up one day with a smile on their face and choose to get an abortion. It’s not an easy decision and lack of empathy by these people for women is appalling. It was Sharron Angle who used the famous lemons and lemonaide analogy as advice of what she’d give to a teen girl who was raped.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:50:33pm |
Again… our nation is beset by cave people. Ask any MD about how many holy roller women have secretly had an abortion themselves, but their case was the exception….
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:51:04pm |
re: #3 HappyWarrior
The pro life political movement by and large seems to care more about making life miserable for women who choose to get abortions and the doctors/nurses that perform the abortion than actually working to stop and lower the conditions that make women choose to get abortions in the first place. Former Senator Simpson of Wyoming said it best recently, it’s moronic to think as many of these people do that women wake up one day with a smile on their face and choose to get an abortion. It’s not an easy decision and lack of empathy by these people for women is appalling. It was Sharron Angle who used the famous lemons and lemonaide analogy as advice of what she’d give to a teen girl who was raped.
Well it is all about controlling women and fear of female sexuality.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:53:20pm |
Yeah, abortion takes lives. Right. But the death penalty, wars, invasions, “nation building”, and collateral damage don’t. And in an ironic twist. The people that call themselves “pro-life” are the first ones that want to pull the trigger or flick the switch as it were.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:54:06pm |
re: #5 LudwigVanQuixote
Well it is all about controlling women and fear of female sexuality.
No doubt about that at all. I have to say back when I first started following politics, I became pro choice in large part because I hated the attitudes of the pro lifers and believe me I knew many including a family that supported Keyes for president.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:54:52pm |
re: #6 Gus 802
Yeah, abortion takes lives. Right. But the death penalty, wars, invasions, “nation building”, and collateral damage don’t. And in an ironic twist. The people that call themselves “pro-life” are the first ones that want to pull the trigger or flick the switch as it were.
By and large that’s the case. I do think that some of the bishops in the Catholic church have been fairly consistent on life isuses though I have other bones to pick with them.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:56:40pm |
Shine the light on the network of people who commit these threats.
Yes, shine the light on this scum.
Cockroaches scurry from the light.
Squish them.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:56:50pm |
re: #8 HappyWarrior
By and large that’s the case. I do think that some of the bishops in the Catholic church have been fairly consistent on life isuses though I have other bones to pick with them.
True. I respect the moral consistency.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:58:04pm |
Stop these fricking crazies.
Please?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 8:58:12pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
True. I respect the moral consistency.
Yep, though your broad point is absolutely correct. MAny of the same people I know who scream abortion is murder are the same people who get giddy at the death penalty and war, as well as don’t seem to give a damn at all about helping the poor and hungry.
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researchok Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:00:12pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:00:28pm |
re: #4 LudwigVanQuixote
Again… our nation is beset by cave people. Ask any MD about how many holy roller women have secretly had an abortion themselves, but their case was the exception…
Hello, Ludwig. How was Passover?
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austin_blue Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:00:39pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:03:02pm |
re: #13 researchok
Well, you could beat them.
//
She does that sometimes. She gets them when they’ve climbed a Stupid Tree. She uses her horns to club them off the Stupid Tree so that they hit every branch on the way down.
/Giraffe humor
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:04:02pm |
re: #12 HappyWarrior
Yep, though your broad point is absolutely correct. MAny of the same people I know who scream abortion is murder are the same people who get giddy at the death penalty and war, as well as don’t seem to give a damn at all about helping the poor and hungry.
And oddly enough? A great deal of people that call themselves pro-life (i.e. the Tea Party) are now aligning themselves with Ayn Rand who was pro-choice. A true pro-lifer though would be anti-war. But we find that to not be the case in most circumstances save a few groups.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:05:22pm |
re: #12 HappyWarrior
That’s because they care more about having control over others rather than any sort of consistent ideology. These people are Authoritarian, and I mean that in personality.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:06:26pm |
I am really of the thought we need to do something about the conditions and situations that lead to abortions in the first place. We need to stop with unrealistic policies like absistence only for students. Promoting birth control and smart sex is a heck of a lot more responsible and realistic than just saying “Don’t have sex.” Second, we need to stop scaring women who do choose to get abortions. It’s like it or not a legal procedure. There is no need to lie about the procedure like many do. Third, if we want to promote a supposed culture of life, then we need to help poor and young women who choose to have children. I think everyone wants abortion reduced but screaming abortion is murder and attacking organizations like Planned Parenthood who are working to help women does nothing to solve the problem.
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engineer cat Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:06:34pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
And oddly enough? A great deal of people that call themselves pro-life (i.e. the Tea Party) are now aligning themselves with Ayn Rand who was pro-choice. A true pro-lifer though would be anti-war. But we find that to not be the case in most circumstances save a few groups.
the real ayn rand, like the real jesus and the real adam smith, has been covered up by a virtual ayn rand who has been stripped of any of her actual beliefs that conflict with the ideology of those who have claimed her
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:08:37pm |
re: #18 ProLifeLiberal
That’s because they care more about having control over others rather than any sort of consistent ideology. These people are Authoritarian, and I mean that in personality.
Yep, it’s funny they who complain the most about big government want to use it as an instrument to enforce their morality on the rest of us.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:08:59pm |
re: #4 LudwigVanQuixote
Again… our nation is beset by cave people. Ask any MD about how many holy roller women have secretly had an abortion themselves, but their case was the exception…
Mongo offended!
Mongo live in condo!
Mongo SMASH!
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jaunte Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:09:37pm |
Politifact on O’Reilly ‘the Liar’
We searched transcripts of The O’Reilly Factor , his show that appears on the Fox News Channel.We found at least 42 instances of O’Reilly mentioning Tiller by name, going back to 2005. In 24 instances, we found that O’Reilly referred to Tiller specifically as a “baby killer.”
Most of the time, O’Reilly would simply refer to the Tiller as “Tiller the baby killer” or as “Dr. George Tiller, known as Tiller the baby killer” without attributing it to anyone. politifact.com
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:10:04pm |
It’s getting harder and harder, with each passing year, to see a real shred of difference between the American Far Right and groups like the Taliban. The ideology meshes so well, the only difference is the deity whose supposed “will” it is to convert all unbelievers, whether by the book or by the sword.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:10:13pm |
re: #14 Dark_Falcon
Hello, Ludwig. How was Passover?
Fabulous buddy! It is still going on also. Seder was great though.
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APox Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:10:20pm |
I could barely get through this video. I don’t think I can say much without getting into trouble … Other than saying these people are simple minded fools that seem to have absolutely no place in society. If you disagree with someone you don’t go fucking kill them.
And our system is just absolutely broken if it can’t take care of stuff like this. ‘One day you will have a bomb under your car … ’ is not a threat…? Really? The fact that these threats and vandalism make up the core of these people’s existence is just awe inspiring, bunch of neanderthals.
Alright I’m done.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:10:22pm |
re: #20 engineer dog
the real ayn rand, like the real jesus and the real adam smith, has been covered up by a virtual ayn rand who has been stripped of any of her actual beliefs that conflict with the ideology of those who have claimed her
Revisionism. Romanticism. We see it often from the Tea Party in the re-definition of the founding fathers who were largely intellectual Deists and by no means evangelical preachers of any sort.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:10:55pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
She does that sometimes. She gets them when they’ve climbed a Stupid Tree. She uses her horns to club them off the Stupid Tree so that they hit every branch on the way down.
/Giraffe humor
She also likes to use brushes…
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austin_blue Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:13:37pm |
If the definition of human death is a non-functioning forebrain (for organ recovery and transplants), why isn’t the definition of human life the same? Granted, a fertilized egg is *potentially* human, but is it human?
Half don’t implant in the womb, another 10-20% are spontaneously aborted in the first trimester.
If this is God’s will, is God the biggest abortionist on the planet?
[Sorry, just felt like throwing some Molotovs tonight. I’m feeling peckish.]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:16:34pm |
Partial OT:
Mike Huckabee blasts Glenn Beck
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has a bone to pick with Glenn Beck. The current Fox News host isn’t pleased that Beck, a departing Fox News host, has called him a progressive, a term which Beck has also previously likened to cancer and the Nazi movement.
Beck also compared Huckabee to Arizona GOP Sen. John McCain on his radio show Tuesday, labeling both as progressives, because of Huckabee’s vocal support for Michelle Obama’s anti-obesity initiatives.
“I think Mike Huckabee is the one, if you are somebody who understands progressives are on both sides of the aisle, I think Mike Huckabee is John McCain,” he said.
SNIP
Either way, Huckabee is crying foul at his inclusion with Beck’s blistering metaphors for progressivism.
“He seems to fancy himself a prophet of sorts for his linking so many people and events together to describe a massive global conspiracy for pretty much everything,” he wrote.
“His ridiculous claim that John McCain and I collaborated and conspired in the 2008 campaign is especially laughable…Beck needs to stick to conspiracies that can’t be so easily de-bunked by facts.”
And Huckabee wasn’t through. “Why Beck has decided to aim his overloaded guns on me is beyond me,” he continued.
“He ought to clean his gun and point it more carefully lest it blow up in his face like it did this time.”
So because Huck is actually doing something smart (endorsing an anti-obesity campaign, a cause Huckabee has long supported), he’s a “progressive”. To Beck anything that Michelle Obama supports is automatically evil and anyone who feels otherwise is a Progressive. Stay classy, Glen!
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austin_blue Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:16:34pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:17:07pm |
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Interesting Times Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:17:29pm |
re: #30 LudwigVanQuixote
Were you able to view the Facebook link I sent you earlier? It was to your gmail account.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:17:59pm |
re: #31 Dark_Falcon
Partial OT:
Mike Huckabee blasts Glenn BeckSNIP
So because Huck is actually doing something smart (endorsing an anti-obesity campaign, a cause Huckabee has long supported), he’s a “progressive”. To Beck anything that Michelle Obama supports is automatically evil and anyone who feels otherwise is a Progressive. Stay classy, Glen!
It’s hilarious to watch them eat their own.
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researchok Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:18:18pm |
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Robert O. Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:18:32pm |
While the US becomes increasingly similar to Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, in the not-too-distant future, Americans will be forced to go to China to have an abortion - never could you have comprehended yet another vector by which Republicans outsource US jobs.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:18:35pm |
re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote
Fabulous buddy! It is still going on also. Seder was great though.
Cool. I hadn’t seen you in a while.
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austin_blue Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:18:41pm |
re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes as a matter of fact. Love it.
Me too, good stuff. Tenant is gluten intolerant. Quinoa and spelt are killer bee.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:19:45pm |
re: #37 Robert O.
If things go that far, I’m going to Morocco.
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austin_blue Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:20:23pm |
re: #37 Robert O.
While the US becomes increasingly similar to Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, in the not-too-distant future, Americans will be forced to go to China to have an abortion - never could you have comprehended yet another vector by which Republicans outsource US jobs.
Snarky and funny. Upding!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:20:49pm |
re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It’s hilarious to watch them eat their own.
Actually, I’m not laughing on this one. Huckabee, for all his flaws, has pounded the fitness issue hard for years, and he’s right on that issue. Not only right, but actually willing to praise Michelle Obama. Given that, I hope he prevails in this skirmish and more people see Glenn Beck as the spiteful, ideologically blind lunatic he is.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:21:00pm |
re: #34 publicityStunted
Were you able to view the Facebook link I sent you earlier? It was to your gmail account.
I’ll check that now.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:23:03pm |
I’ll give Huckabee credit there. I think it’s absurd that Mrs. Obama’s anti obesity intiative has been turned political by people like Beck and Limbaugh too. Of course, those two guys could give two shits about the obesity epidemic in this country. Huckabee and I say htis as a critic of his seems to actually see why Mrs. Obama sees that as an important issue. Listen, I love eating snacks as much as the next person but I see nothing at all wrong with encouraging kids to eat healthy.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:24:52pm |
re: #31 Dark_Falcon
So because Huck is actually doing something smart (endorsing an anti-obesity campaign, a cause Huckabee has long supported), he’s a “progressive”. To Beck anything that Michelle Obama supports is automatically evil and anyone who feels otherwise is a Progressive. Stay classy, Glen!
The anti-obesity campaign when he was Gov (and his how-to book on how to stop eating too much) is the one positive thing about the Huck that nobody can every take away, no matter what number of stupid ideas and opinions the man holds. I agree with practically nothing else the man stands for, but I respect him for promoting anti-obesity very much. And Beck goes after him just because the First Lady is thinking along similar lines?
What an utter Jerk!
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Robert O. Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:24:53pm |
And isn’t it ironic they call themselves the “Army of God”. Wouldn’t that translate to Hezbollah in Arabic (or is that Party of God?) Anyway, if you didn’t tell me the religion, I really cannot see any difference between the views of US-based religious terrorists, and Middle East-based religious terrorists.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:25:29pm |
re: #34 publicityStunted
Saw it and replied.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:25:54pm |
re: #45 HappyWarrior
I’ll give Huckabee credit there. I think it’s absurd that Mrs. Obama’s anti obesity intiative has been turned political by people like Beck and Limbaugh too. Of course, those two guys could give two shits about the obesity epidemic in this country. Huckabee and I say htis as a critic of his seems to actually see why Mrs. Obama sees that as an important issue. Listen, I love eating snacks as much as the next person but I see nothing at all wrong with encouraging kids to eat healthy.
Actually, that’s one issue Huckabee does care about. He himself was obese at one point and his doctor warned him that it was going to kill him. So he put in the effort and lost the weight. Ever since he’s been big into weight loss. On that issue, Huck’s for real and he is motivated by the right reasons. I wish that was true about him more often, but in this collision with Glenn Beck he’s the good guy.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:27:08pm |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
Actually, I’m not laughing on this one. Huckabee, for all his flaws, has pounded the fitness issue hard for years, and he’s right on that issue. Not only right, but actually willing to praise Michelle Obama. Given that, I hope he prevails in this skirmish and more people see Glenn Beck as the spiteful, ideologically blind lunatic he is.
I applaud him for his work, both past and present, to combat obesity in this nation. At the same time, I get a chuckle out of watching Beck engaging in what could be construed as friendly fire due to the fact that Huck agrees with the First Lady on something. It seems there is no honor amongst Tea Partiers.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:27:26pm |
re: #31 Dark_Falcon
Partial OT:
Mike Huckabee blasts Glenn BeckSNIP
So because Huck is actually doing something smart (endorsing an anti-obesity campaign, a cause Huckabee has long supported), he’s a “progressive”. To Beck anything that Michelle Obama supports is automatically evil and anyone who feels otherwise is a Progressive. Stay classy, Glen!
Hey, Beck?
Would you kindly fuck off?
Thanks.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:27:28pm |
re: #39 austin_blue
Me too, good stuff. Tenant is gluten intolerant. Quinoa and spelt are killer bee.
spelt is forbidden. It is one of the 5 species.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:27:34pm |
Frankly it’s nice to see a possible Republican presidential candidate tell Beck to bugger off. There was a good JFK quote I found that describes people like him pretty well and he interestingly enough was going to give it the die he got shot in Dallas. To paraphrase, he basically said that there will always be people in the Republic who will doom and gloom, and find fault with everything but never favor. I immediately thought of Beck and several of the armchair presidents.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:28:30pm |
re: #46 Surabaya Stew
The anti-obesity campaign when he was Gov (and his how-to book on how to stop eating too much) is the one positive thing about the Huck that nobody can every take away, no matter what number of stupid ideas and opinions the man holds. I agree with practically nothing else the man stands for, but I respect him for promoting anti-obesity very much. And Beck goes after him just because the First Lady is thinking along similar lines?
What an utter Jerk!
Glenn Beck is of the opinion that whatever Barack or Michelle Obama proposes must be rejected as the product of Progressivism. What it really amounts to is that Beck sees the Obamas as devil figures and he and his followers are the Party of God. It’s literally a black and white view of the world.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:30:17pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
A true pro-lifer though would be anti-war.
They’d also be against the death penalty, and a completely sober, vegan health nut, since they’d value their own life as much as they would anyone else’s.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:30:45pm |
re: #47 Robert O.
And isn’t it ironic they call themselves the “Army of God”. Wouldn’t that translate to Hezbollah in Arabic (or is that Party of God?) Anyway, if you didn’t tell me the religion, I really cannot see any difference between the views of US-based religious terrorists, and Middle East-based religious terrorists.
There certainly is some cross over but we are not near convergence yet. The mentality is the same but thankfully it’s not nearly as widespread in the West as it is in the Middle east where religiously motivated political assassinations are quite common. It can happen here but we aren’t there yet.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:32:59pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
Glenn Beck is of the opinion that whatever Barack or Michelle Obama proposes must be rejected as the product of Progressivism. What it really amounts to is that Beck sees the Obamas as devil figures and he and his followers are the Party of God. It’s literally a black and white view of the world.
Scary, but true. The man can’t be off the air soon enough.
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researchok Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:34:02pm |
re: #44 Gus 802
“He’s a politician. It’s like being a hooker. You can’t be one unless you can pretend to like people while you’re fucking them.”
“You came out of your mom looking like shit. She thought you were beautiful. Don’t know what scared me most, your looks or her judgment.”
“You don’t have to be good to succeed. You just gotta be the least shitty option. Example: We’re eating at The Olive Garden.”
“No. Humans will die out. We’re weak. Dinosaurs survived on rotten flesh. You got diarrhea last week from a Wendy’s.”
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:34:46pm |
re: #57 Surabaya Stew
Scary, but true. The man can’t be off the air soon enough.
Quite Concur. I wonder what the management at Fox News thinks about two of their hosts going at daggers draw like this.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:35:06pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
Glenn Beck is of the opinion that whatever Barack or Michelle Obama proposes must be rejected as the product of Progressivism. What it really amounts to is that Beck sees the Obamas as devil figures and he and his followers are the Party of God. It’s literally a black and white view of the world.
In other words, he’s merely reflecting the right wing blogosphere. Just read through the comments at sites like Hot Air and Free Republic. You’ll find those sentiments in spades.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:36:49pm |
Night Lizards. I will keep my mouth (mostly) shut on this as I happen to like being able to comment (as little as I do) here. But I do wonder (not really) what these ass hats would be saying if a pro-choice individual or a group of pro-choice individuals started up a blog calling for the death(s) of those who on the pro-life side that advocated killing those on the pro-choice side.
Because that is what is eventually (if it hasn’t already) going to happen.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:37:05pm |
I sitll think the most famous thing Beck did was to take a left wing poem about the Nazis and use it in reference to himself and hte Obama Administration. Or the many times he’s called hte Obama administration authortarian while he promotes a book by one of his fascist Bircher allies.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:37:17pm |
re: #60 Lidane
In other words, he’s merely reflecting the right wing blogosphere. Just read through the comments at sites like Hot Air and Free Republic. You’ll find those sentiments in spades.
No thanks. Keeping an occasional eye on our ‘fan club’ is as much of the Internet Haters as I can stand.
[waves to the Stalkers]
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:37:18pm |
re: #62 HappyWarrior
I sitll think the most famous thing Beck did was to take a left wing poem about the Nazis and use it in reference to himself and hte Obama Administration. Or the many times he’s called hte Obama administration authortarian while he promotes a book by one of his fascist Bircher allies.
funniest not famous.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:38:05pm |
re: #59 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. I wonder what the management at Fox News thinks about two of their hosts going at daggers draw like this.
Probably think it makes for great television. After all, Beck’s on his way out, while Huck is considered a front-runner in the primaries. Anything that makes people like him more, in this case giving stomping all over Beck, helps him in his run.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:38:11pm |
re: #59 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. I wonder what the management at Fox News thinks about two of their hosts going at daggers draw like this.
I can tell you exactly what they’re thinking:
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laZardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:38:27pm |
The only thing that I find even more disgusting than American conservatives revealing their true face in recent events is the fact that some people still deny it’s really conservatism.
Good fucking afternoon.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:39:42pm |
re: #67 laZardo
The only thing that I find even more disgusting than American conservatives revealing their true face in recent events is the fact that some people still deny it’s really conservatism.
Good fucking afternoon.
I’ll drink to that.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:39:55pm |
re: #59 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. I wonder what the management at Fox News thinks about two of their hosts going at daggers draw like this.
Might be thinking like this:
CAT FIGHT!!!!
2 BIG TIME CONSERVATIVES GOING FOR THE JUGULAR!!!
MORE VIEWERS TUNING IN = MORE RATINGS FOR FOX NEWS!!!!
Something along those lines, perhaps.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:40:15pm |
re: #69 Surabaya Stew
Might be thinking like this:
CAT FIGHT!!!
2 BIG TIME CONSERVATIVES GOING FOR THE JUGULAR!!!
MORE VIEWERS TUNING IN = MORE RATINGS FOR FOX NEWS!!!Something along those lines, perhaps.
Two men enter! One man leaves! Two men enter! One man leaves!
/
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:41:34pm |
re: #70 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Two men enter! One man leaves! Two men enter! One man leaves!
/
Welcome to Blunderdome!
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:41:42pm |
re: #6 Gus 802
Yeah, abortion takes lives.
No snide comment intended, but IMHO most abortion aids lives.
For one, most abortions, up to as much as 70%, happen spontaneously according to studies, many within the first month even without clear knowledge of the woman.
Without considering any religious implications of this, when it is known to happen naturally or otherwise it is something that is seldom taken lightly, and I know that for a personal fact.
However, in the final analysis any early pregnancy is initially a crap shoot of biology with two clear options. One is a potential life, with at best a 50/50 chance of sentient life and the other is a known sentient life with all the uncountable permutations that implies.
I support sentient life before potential life.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:42:22pm |
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:42:53pm |
re: #73 Naso Tang
No snide comment intended, but IMHO most abortion aids lives.
For one, most abortions, up to as much as 70%, happen spontaneously according to studies, many within the first month even without clear knowledge of the woman.
Without considering any religious implications of this, when it is known to happen naturally or otherwise it is something that is seldom taken lightly, and I know that for a personal fact.
However, in the final analysis any early pregnancy is initially a crap shoot of biology with two clear options. One is a potential life, with at best a 50/50 chance of sentient life and the other is a known sentient life with all the uncountable permutations that implies.
I support sentient life before potential life.
You really didn’t understand what I was saying did you.
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researchok Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:43:59pm |
More:
“So he likes drugs and hookers. That’s the mustard & mayo on the sandwich of life. Problem is, that’s all he’s got on his fucking sandwich.”
“No. Aliens exist, I just don’t think they came millions of light years just to see earth. Be like driving 1000 miles to go to an Arby’s”
“Universe is 14 billion years old. Seems silly to celebrate one year. Be like having a fucking parade every time i take a piss.”
“Son, no one gives a shit about all the things your cell phone does. You didn’t invent it, you just bought it. Anybody can do that.”
“Just pay the parking ticket. Don’t be so outraged. You’re not a freedom fighter in the civil rights movement. You double parked.”
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:44:26pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:44:58pm |
This next opinion piece is one I read a couple days ago. It starts with a shock, but its worth the read:
Parents, don’t dress your girls like tramps
I saw someone at the airport the other day who really caught my eye.
Her beautiful, long blond hair was braided back a la Bo Derek in the movie “10” (or for the younger set, Christina Aguilera during her “Xtina” phase). Her lips were pink and shiny from the gloss, and her earrings dangled playfully from her lobes.
You can tell she had been vacationing somewhere warm, because you could see her deep tan around her midriff thanks to the halter top and the tight sweatpants that rested just a little low on her waist. The icing on the cake? The word “Juicy” was written on her backside.
Yeah, that 8-year-old girl was something to see all right. … I hope her parents are proud. Their daughter was the sexiest girl in the terminal, and she’s not even in middle school yet.
Abercrombie & Fitch came under fire this spring for introducing the “Ashley,” a push-up bra for girls who normally are too young to have anything to push up. Originally it was marketed for girls as young as 7, but after public outcry, it raised its intended audience to the wise old age of 12. I wonder how do people initiate a conversation in the office about the undeveloped chest of elementary school girls without someone nearby thinking they’re pedophiles?
What kind of PowerPoint presentation was shown to the Abercrombie executives that persuaded them to green light such a product?
That there was a demand to make little girls hot?
Disturbing doesn’t even begin to cover it.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:46:26pm |
re: #67 laZardo
The only thing that I find even more disgusting than American conservatives revealing their true face in recent events is the fact that some people still deny it’s really conservatism.
Good fucking afternoon.
One notch above: Those who make excuses in the vein of “It’s a small/isolated fringe,” especially when you look at the stratospheric rise of The Donald to the top of the polls by pimping a “fringe” conspiracy theory.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:46:49pm |
Looking back on it, I think it was the Tiller assassination that really marked LGF’s final break with the right. I saw the gloating and celebration at places like Free Republic and it just made my blood run cold. The break had been underway for quite a while but that really burned the bridges. There was just no common view or value we could have with such people.
The way the murder happened affected me pretty deeply, too. I have seen objectively worse things in my life, really hideous brutality, but the very idea of walking up to an unarmed man in a church lobby and shooting him in the head tops any of it for pure cold-blooded fanaticism. What kind of force are we dealing with here? I reach for an answer but I can’t find one. It isn’t right to say they are mentally ill because that isn’t fair to the genuinely disturbed. They can plan and organize so they aren’t legally insane. The religion they profess does not actually condone such acts anywhere but in the minds of the fanatics themselves. They seem to derive real joy from their murders. If you don’t believe it, read Paul Hill’s final messages. Is it some kind of sado-masochistic cult? Is there a psychosexual component? I don’t know but it might be worth a serious researcher’s time to find out.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:47:23pm |
re: #75 Gus 802
You really didn’t understand what I was saying did you.
Perhaps not. I haven’t read the whole thread. Does that make my comment on your final sentence invalid?
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:47:55pm |
re: #82 Naso Tang
Perhaps not. I haven’t read the whole thread. Does that make my comment on your final sentence invalid?
Nope.
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researchok Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:48:31pm |
I’m outta here,
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:48:46pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
Disturbing doesn’t even begin to cover it.
I’ve seen 40 year olds with juicy written on their butts too. Not sure which is worse. I routinely see balding men ridding skateboards. So it goes.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:49:44pm |
re: #85 Killgore Trout
I’ve seen 40 year olds with juicy written on their butts too. Not sure which is worse. I routinely see balding men ridding skateboards. So it goes.
It’s different when its adults. Adults are at most making fools of themselves. With a child, the potential damage is far greater.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:50:21pm |
re: #85 Killgore Trout
I’ve seen 40 year olds with juicy written on their butts too. Not sure which is worse. I routinely see balding men ridding skateboards. So it goes.
You really like your Vonnegut.
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prairiefire Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:50:55pm |
re: #81 Shiplord Kirel
“Blood run cold” is the correct description. I have felt that many times through the years when hearing extremists. I find the ones on the right frightening and the ones on the left silly.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:51:17pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:51:40pm |
re: #88 prairiefire
“Blood run cold” is the correct description. I have felt that many times through the years when hearing extremists. I find the ones on the right frightening and the ones on the left silly.
Yeah that is about right. The scary ones from the left are mostly in Europe.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 9:57:08pm |
re: #81 Shiplord Kirel
Looking back on it, I think it was the Tiller assassination that really marked LGF’s final break with the right. I saw the gloating and celebration at places like Free Republic and it just made my blood run cold. The break had been underway for quite a while but that really burned the bridges. There was just no common view or value we could have with such people.
The way the murder happened affected me pretty deeply, too. I have seen objectively worse things in my life, really hideous brutality, but the very idea of walking up to an unarmed man in a church lobby and shooting him in the head tops any of it for pure cold-blooded fanaticism. What kind of force are we dealing with here? I reach for an answer but I can’t find one. It isn’t right to say they are mentally ill because that isn’t fair to the genuinely disturbed. They can plan and organize so they aren’t legally insane. The religion they profess does not actually condone such acts anywhere but in the minds of the fanatics themselves. They seem to derive real joy from their murders. If you don’t believe it, read Paul Hill’s final messages. Is it some kind of sado-masochistic cult? Is there a psychosexual component? I don’t know but it might be worth a serious researcher’s time to find out.
Pure, cold-blooded conservatism. Distilled to 120 proof, aged over 200 years.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:03:59pm |
re: #92 laZardo
My family had the same thing happen when the Gifford’s shooting occurred. There had been criticisms of the main party by my Eisenhower (formerly) Republican parents, and had voted for the democrat in every Presidential Election since at least 1996 (First Election I can remember).
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:05:58pm |
re: #92 laZardo
Pure, cold-blooded conservatism. Distilled to 120 proof, aged over 200 years.
I don’t think Barry Goldwater, whose wife co-founded Arizona Planned Parenthood, would agree with you.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:10:32pm |
re: #96 Shiplord Kirel
I don’t think Barry Goldwater, whose wife co-founded Arizona Planned Parenthood, would agree with you.
Nor would Ronald Reagan (even if he courted the religious right, he’d never have condoned this). William f. Buckley would be leading the charge for this killer to be executed. And I doubt that in our own time, either John Boener or Paul Ryan would have anything but contempt for that scumbag.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:10:50pm |
NOW there’s news on Libya. Algeria has been caught red-handed supporting Qaddafi:
French military advisers working with Libyan rebel fighters have recently determined that Algeria’s government is providing military assistance to the Gaddafi regime. A series of military jeeps and trucks that were abandoned in a military battle have been made available to the military advisers who cross checked their serial numbers with the database from the French Defense ministry.
The French advisers traced the serials numbers of these vehicles to Military equipment that was sold to Algeria in The Past.
France’s Foreign Minister Alain Juppe called his Algerian counterpart Mourad Medelci on Monday, following these finding.
“I told him: ‘Here it is, there is information circulating that Gaddafi may have received several hundred armed vehicles carrying munitions from Algeria’,” Juppe said during a luncheon in Paris in front of reporters.The Algerian foreign ministry had confirmed the two ministers had spoken, but had not provided any detail on their conversation.
France has recognized Libya’s rebel Transitional National Council as the representative of the Libyan people and has demanded that Gaddafi step down.
The Libyan rebels have repeatedly accused Algeria of arming the regime. the rebels have also announced that they to have captured Algerian mercenaries near Ajdabiya.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:12:43pm |
re: #98 ProLifeLiberal
NOW there’s news on Libya. Algeria has been caught red-handed supporting Qaddafi:
Coming up tomorrow: The UN send Algeria the dreaded Strongly Worded Letter.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:17:19pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
Algeria is also supporting the Polisario Front in Western Sahara in Morocco, lengthening the conflict by making a compromise hard. Their government has a slightly less than desirable effect on stability in the Maghreb.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:19:42pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
Coming up tomorrow: The UN send Algeria the dreaded Strongly Worded Letter.
Of course you do know that the Korean War was a big old UN excursion right?
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:20:59pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
Nor would Ronald Reagan (even if he courted the religious right, he’d never have condoned this). William f. Buckley would be leading the charge for this killer to be executed. And I doubt that in our own time, either John Boener or Paul Ryan would have anything but contempt for that scumbag.
The fact that the Moral Majority helped him win his campaigns in ‘80 and ‘84 meant he had to condone them somehow. And in a way, I don’t think Buckley and Goldwater were so much “conservative” as they were libertarian (lowercase ‘l’ for distinguishing purposes.)
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:21:29pm |
re: #101 Gus 802
Of course you do know that the Korean War was a big old UN excursion right?
Because Taiwan held China’s seat and the Soviets didn’t hang around when it was time to vote (and veto).
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:21:36pm |
UN was also promoted by JFK. Same prez that created the Navy Seals.
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samgak Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:21:50pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
And oddly enough? A great deal of people that call themselves pro-life (i.e. the Tea Party) are now aligning themselves with Ayn Rand who was pro-choice. A true pro-lifer though would be anti-war. But we find that to not be the case in most circumstances save a few groups.
The Catholic church is anti-abortion, anti-death penalty and often anti-war (for example the Iraq War). That’s a pretty big group of religious conservatives.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:22:23pm |
Must really piss off the Repubs that the NAVY SEALS was created by a Democrat.
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:24:18pm |
re: #104 Gus 802
UN was also promoted by JFK. Same prez that created the Navy Seals.
They gained their name under Kennedy. Their roots lie with FDR.
The Navy SEALs originated in World War II when the United States Navy recognized the need for soldiers to reconnoiter landing beaches, note obstacles and defenses, and ultimately guide the landing forces in. As a result the Amphibious Scout and Raider School was established in 1942 jointly by the Army and Navy at Fort Pierce, Florida. It was intended to train explosive ordinance disposal personnel and experienced combat swimmers from the Army and Marine Corps, becoming the Naval Combat Demolition Unit, or N.C.D.U.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:25:23pm |
re: #101 Gus 802
Of course you do know that the Korean War was a big old UN excursion right?
Yep, but the UN has been fairly ineffectual throughout its history.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:26:10pm |
Sick. I love how these right wingers love to look down on certain Muslims for being “backwards” when they themselves are living in the fucking dark ages.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:27:32pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but the UN has been fairly ineffectual throughout its history.
DF please. This is a cliche. Give me a break with the right wing UN bashing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:28:32pm |
Abortion providers need the same security that we provide to state houses and capitols and court houses and hey, maybe even airports
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freetoken Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:28:41pm |
The UN does exactly what the constituent states that comprise the UN allow it to do, no more, no less.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:29:41pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but the UN has been fairly ineffectual throughout its history.
what evidence do you have for that?
what is your metric for that?
what is your expertise in stating that?
i don’t want to hear bitchy Israel talking points. The UN is there to prevent an ally system where there’s no common ground, that gave us two world wars.
See any world war 3 around?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:29:46pm |
re: #110 Gus 802
DF please. This is a cliche. Give me a break with the right wing UN bashing.
I made a fairly mild snipe. Hardly ‘bashing’.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:29:58pm |
re: #112 freetoken
The UN does exactly what the constituent states that comprise the UN allow it to do, no more, no less.
so fucking sick of talking points about the UN :(
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:30:36pm |
re: #113 WindUpBird
what evidence do you have for that?
what is your metric for that?
what is your expertise in stating that?
i don’t want to hear bitchy Israel talking points. The UN is there to prevent an ally system where there’s no common ground, that gave us two world wars.
See any world war 3 around?
No, but there was Vietnam, Afghanistan I and II, Gulf I and II (the latter given a UN “formality” on what was essentially a unilateralist campaign)…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:31:04pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
Coming up tomorrow: The UN send Algeria the dreaded Strongly Worded Letter.
blah blah talking point blahre: #85 Killgore Trout
I’ve seen 40 year olds with juicy written on their butts too. Not sure which is worse. I routinely see balding men ridding skateboards. So it goes.
uh what exactly is wrong with riding a skateboard?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:31:32pm |
Pretty sure we can thank the UN in large part for the fact that this little thing called the Ozone Layer is coming back.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:31:43pm |
re: #85 Killgore Trout
I’m having a REALLY bad nighjt, tonighjt.
So. a little love, would be appreciattted
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:32:09pm |
re: #117 Gus 802
I know you too well. ;)
So I’m not a fan of the UN. I’m not mindless about it and I give them credit when they do something right.
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:32:12pm |
re: #119 SpaceJesus
Pretty sure we can thank the UN in large part for the fact that this little thing called the Ozone Layer is coming back.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:32:35pm |
Hey the UN could do nothing too. Man, that really sure would have worked out in Bosnia and Korea wouldn’t it? So OK. They’re not perfect. But give me a break. The UN is better than nothing. Think of the alternative.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:33:20pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
So I’m not a fan of the UN. I’m not mindless about it and I give them credit when they do something right.
It’s a cliche DF. Blame the UN. Blame the NY Times. Blame the BBC. It’s boring.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:33:53pm |
re: #123 Gus 802
Hey the UN could do nothing too. Man, that really sure would have worked out in Bosnia and Korea wouldn’t it? So OK. They’re not perfect. But give me a break. The UN is better than nothing. Think of the alternative.
The UN did nothing militarily effectual in Bosnia. It was NATO that carried the can kicked the ass that needed to get kicked.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:34:02pm |
re: #122 lazardo
true, but at least the hole is shrinking. shit will get better down there
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:34:04pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:34:24pm |
re: #124 Gus 802
It’s a cliche DF. Blame the UN. Blame the NY Times. Blame the BBC. It’s boring.
It’s a cliche because its true.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:34:46pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:35:05pm |
If you have ever wondered, Just love the one you’re with.
Life is short, and it’ isn’t easy.
Be brave, and love.
BBL.
A loved one has just passed.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:35:16pm |
re: #128 Dark_Falcon
It’s a cliche because its true.
Yeah. According to Camera and Reuters News Watch.
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sagehen Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:36:25pm |
re: #24 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It’s getting harder and harder, with each passing year, to see a real shred of difference between the American Far Right and groups like the Taliban.
The Tabiban have beards, the American far right wear suits and ties.
See how easy that was?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:36:28pm |
The Russian Revolution in Colour on netflix instant watch is pretty badass fyi
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:36:57pm |
I’ll say this - I’m sick of how the UN has remained relatively ineffective at preventing wars and genocide on the “regional” level e.g. Rwanda. This is mainly due to lingering Cold War politics (Russia/PRC/OIC “bloc”) on one hand and of course the infamous American unilateralism on the other.
I find their developments over Libya (and possibly the Ivory Coast?) hold great promise and I do hope to see more of the Unity that makes them the United Nations in the future.
And that’s all I got to say ‘bout that. :B
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:37:18pm |
Fact is that the UN did a bang up job in a) East Timor b) Korea and c) Bosnia. You want perfect go watch some TV show.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:37:49pm |
I mean, I guess it’s okay if bald men ride around in Cadillac Escalades that get 4 miles per gallon, donked out on 24 inch rims that make the vehicle dangerous and prone to spinning out of control on the highway, burning up oil as fast as the Saudi’s can sell it to us, endangering other people o the highway who aren’t rolling around in 6000 lb curbweight vehicles.
personally, if more people took people powered transportation more seriously, this world would be a million times better off
I rode a skateboard (badly). my friends rode skateboards (well). they spent a summer building a massive halfpipe, it was community building, it was a sport, it was a past time that didn’t involve a fatass coach screaming at you or parents living vicariously through their children. ir promoted ingenuity. i tried that halfpipe a few times, fell every time, still had a blast. It was a fond memory, and I miss those guys.
Tony Hawk is, what, 45 years old? Still kicking ass.Pprobably done more to help kids who are misfits than a thousand juiced up roidrage baseball jocks pretending they’re Great Americans, a hundred dogkiller football players. it’s an individual sport. it’s a mode of transportation for people in this town, and it’s a sport that rewards personal dedication and doesn’t steal resources from schools.
so yeah. More skateboards, I say. Way more. I root for everyone who ain’t driving some giant gashog.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:38:21pm |
re: #119 SpaceJesus
Pretty sure we can thank the UN in large part for the fact that this little thing called the Ozone Layer is coming back.
but but but [israel talking point]
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:39:35pm |
re: #135 lazardo
Also, France’s actions in the past 2 months have been desirable. Also, looking around, and thinking about things, I’ve come to the conclusion that Gaddafi’s Government and the Government of Algeria have a symbiotic relationship.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:39:38pm |
re: #135 lazardo
I’ll say this - I’m sick of how the UN has remained relatively ineffective at preventing wars and genocide on the “regional” level e.g. Rwanda. This is mainly due to lingering Cold War politics (Russia/PRC/OIC “bloc”) on one hand and of course the infamous American unilateralism on the other.
I find their developments over Libya (and possibly the Ivory Coast?) hold great promise and I do hope to see more of the Unity that makes them the United Nations in the future.
And that’s all I got to say ‘bout that. :B
True. So NATO goes off prancing into Libya while the USA keeps on supporting the repressive regimes in Yemen and Bahrain. You do know that the USA is supporting the creeps in Bahrain right?
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:40:17pm |
re: #137 WindUpBird
I don’t have coordination for skateboards. I’ll use a bike.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:40:42pm |
re: #138 WindUpBird
meh, it is worth mentioning though that the unhrc is pretty anti-jew
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simoom Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:41:16pm |
A couple of responsibly covered, Birther-issue segments from AC360 tonight:
cnn.com
(on how Trump keeps saying he doesn’t really want to talk about Birtherism, but then a montage of him showing up an every channel, day after day, flogging the issue)
cnn.com
(an interview with one of the Louisiana Birther bill coauthors who tries to claim it’s all about helping make the issue go away and helping their constituents understand constitutional questions)
I watched this live on TV tonight and unfortunately they didn’t put up the third panel discussion segment where Jeffrey Toobin said outright that he considers all Birthers “either bigots or crazies”.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:41:53pm |
re: #141 Gus 802
I would prefer if we left the Peninsula. Jordan’s a far, far, far better ally.
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:42:19pm |
re: #141 Gus 802
True. So NATO goes off prancing into Libya while the USA keeps on supporting the repressive regimes in Yemen and Bahrain. You do know that the USA is supporting the creeps in Bahrain right?
Why else would they send Saudi troops there?
All the superpowers have their own stakes in the Middle East. I can hope - however unlikely as it is - that it will really shake up their own political game.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:43:13pm |
It’s pretty funny. Americans like to harp on the UN while they supported death squads in South and Central America and all the other bullshit we did in the Middle East. But oh no. Don’t pay attention to that. It’s those Blue Helmet guys! Ignore the CIA sucking Saddam’s skin flute. Forget Cambodia, Lao, East Timor, Operation Condor and Kissinger’s very own death squads.
Any questions?
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:45:10pm |
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:45:22pm |
After we fucked up every other country known to man. And you’re going to “blame” the UN. What a fucking joke.
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:45:33pm |
Salafists on the rise in Jordan
Wonderful ally indeed…
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:45:46pm |
re: #148 Gus 802
So the PRC and the NVA had nothing to do with Laos? No support for the PL?
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:47:01pm |
re: #153 dell*nix
So the PRC and the NVA had nothing to do with Laos? No support for the PL?
Yes. Why? Does Chiang Kai-shek ring a bell?
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lazardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:47:27pm |
re: #153 dell*nix
So the PRC and the NVA had nothing to do with Laos? No support for the PL?
It’s not quite Laos, but America was shaking hands with the Khmer-sponsoring PRC because both of them happened to not like Brezhnev at the time. It’s the “Our sons-of-bitches” philosophy in action.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:48:40pm |
We used China for the Pacific front. Then we told Chiang Kai-shek to go fuck himself. And then we ended up with Mao. Pretty dumb if you ask me but that’s America.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:49:02pm |
re: #152 lazardo
Keep supporting Jordan, while at the same time trying to get rid of the ultimate problem, the Saudi Government. In fact, considering the history between the Hashemites and the Sauds, I wouldn’t be that surprised to see links between the Salafi clowns and the Saudi Government.
Also, notice how the article said the Salafis are small minority in the nation.
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:49:21pm |
re: #154 Gus 802
Does Mao ring a bell?
Or do you just blame the US for all the worlds problems? The world is full of nasty scum and the US has to make choices between bad scum and nastier scum.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:49:52pm |
re: #158 dell*nix
Does Mao ring a bell?
Or do you just blame the US for all the worlds problems? The world is full of nasty scum and the US has to make choices between bad scum and nastier scum.
Try and keep up.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:50:16pm |
re: #103 lazardo
Because Taiwan held China’s seat and the Soviets didn’t hang around when it was time to vote (and veto).
A mistake nobody’s repeated since. Maintaining veto power alone is worth the price of our membership.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:51:02pm |
re: #158 dell*nix
Then why didn’t we support the Nationalists more? Considering that we were at the height of our power, we could have done far more to defeat Mao.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:51:43pm |
re: #158 dell*nix
Does Mao ring a bell?
Or do you just blame the US for all the worlds problems? The world is full of nasty scum and the US has to make choices between bad scum and nastier scum.
you cannot possibly be this naive
I blame the US for the problems in the world that we create because of our consumption and empire. We consume unreal, untold amounts of power, we waste untold power, we ruin countries because of it. That’s a fact, jack.
But I guess that’s hur hur BLAME AMERICA FIRST CROWD DERP DERP TALKING POINTS
can we all stop with the slogans? Please?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:52:46pm |
I’m having some Sock Dreams in this thread
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:53:04pm |
re: #163 WindUpBird
you cannot possibly be this naive
I blame the US for the problems in the world that we create because of our consumption and empire. We consume unreal, untold amounts of power, we waste untold power, we ruin countries because of it. That’s a fact, jack.
But I guess that’s hur hur BLAME AMERICA FIRST CROWD DERP DERP TALKING POINTS
can we all stop with the slogans? Please?
Sounds like the “Freedom Fries” argument. I’ll let it pass. ;)
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:55:17pm |
re: #159 Gus 802
So I type slow. I remember the stupidity of having to make bad choices. Supporting the USSR during WWII. Ignoring the venality of Chang, and the Diems and a lot of other less that good choices the US has made over the years. Some times there is only bad choices and worse choices.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:55:24pm |
Oh dear lawd. I just read a discussion on FB where people were whining about their kids having to go to school tomorrow because it’s Good Friday, and isn’t Good Friday a Christian holiday? And they wanted the state to give the day off work for it, too.
What. The. Fuck.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:55:49pm |
What R U goin’ to blame Murica. Man what’s wrong with you? Are you some kind of Communist or something? Freedom Fries my boy. Freedom fries. It’s those turban wearing Muslims that are coming to get ya’!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:57:19pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
This next opinion piece is one I read a couple days ago. It starts with a shock, but its worth the read:
Parents, don’t dress your girls like tramps
Disturbing doesn’t even begin to cover it.
I thought it was interesting, when I read that, that several of his readers attack the writer for noticing—as though the child were perfectly normally dressed, and there was something perverse about his seeing how she was being presented.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:58:07pm |
re: #156 Gus 802
We used China for the Pacific front. Then we told Chiang Kai-shek to go fuck himself. And then we ended up with Mao. Pretty dumb if you ask me but that’s America.
Just like how we promised Uncle Ho to sponsor Vietnamese independence, so long as he helped harass and ultimately drive the Japanese out of Indochina. Then, soon as the war was over, we immediately turned a blind eye as France moved in and tried to assert its colonial rule. We only started paying attention after they got their asses kicked out, because suddenly Vietnam was the new battlefield in the grand struggle between communism and capitalism.
And the rest, of course, is history.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:58:39pm |
re: #85 Killgore Trout
I’ve seen 40 year olds with juicy written on their butts too. Not sure which is worse. I routinely see balding men ridding skateboards. So it goes.
A 40 year old may look a fool, but she is grown enough to advertise the juicyness of her rear if she wants to.
A child—no.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:59:14pm |
It’s a different reality, when a parent passes. unecpectedly. WOW, Such a lot to deal with.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:00:36pm |
re: #174 Floral Giraffe
It’s a different reality, when a parent passes. unecpectedly. WOW, Such a lot to deal with.
I have no words. I am so sorry.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:01:25pm |
Update on Bahrain. Apparently the King of the Nation is going to have the troops say in the nation as a counter to Iran. That basically make Bahrain sound like a protectorate of Saudi Arabia. I feel really sorry for those Shia.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:02:06pm |
re: #174 Floral Giraffe
If you want to talk, I am online.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:02:06pm |
re: #170 Gus 802
What R U goin’ to blame Murica. Man what’s wrong with you? Are you some kind of Communist or something? Freedom Fries my boy. Freedom fries. It’s those turban wearing Muslims that are coming to get ya’!
Yes. You nailed it. They are going to build radical mosques disguised as community centers. Evil architects are already designing one such center in NYC that will contain a culinary school and restaurant, an olympic sized swimming pool, and even a library. Great lengths are being taken to conceal their supir sekrit agenda - hence the amenities to the public. All part of The Plan.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:02:22pm |
Bless you for caring.
It’s going to be a tough 48 hours, maybe, more.
I appreciate your support.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:02:59pm |
re: #172 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Just like how we promised Uncle Ho to sponsor Vietnamese independence, so long as he helped harass and ultimately drive the Japanese out of Indochina. Then, soon as the war was over, we immediately turned a blind eye as France moved in and tried to assert its colonial rule. We only started paying attention after they got their asses kicked out, because suddenly Vietnam was the new battlefield in the grand struggle between communism and capitalism.
And the rest, of course, is history.
Yep. We should be ashamed of ourselves with the crap we pulled. We took over a war from the French and then the right wingers started a campaign to slander the French while a Democratic president prosecuted that war which brought us to the brink of nuclear annihilation while the Republicans pretended to be part of it.
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:03:26pm |
re: #165 Gus 802
What empire pray tell? If it were an empire then there would be a lot more of the world under our direct control.
And the rest of the world does not have their own agendas and desire for goods and wealth? They do not have historic bad actors of their own? Just the US?
Yeah, you do sound like the ones the Soviets called use full idiots.
And yeah I am over 60 so I do remember some of the shit that has gone down in the world and I have lived in other countries and I have had Southern Baptists for relatives.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:04:22pm |
re: #181 dell*nix
What empire pray tell? If it were an empire then there would be a lot more of the world under our direct control.
And the rest of the world does not have their own agendas and desire for goods and wealth? They do not have historic bad actors of their own? Just the US?
Yeah, you do sound like the ones the Soviets called use full idiots.And yeah I am over 60 so I do remember some of the shit that has gone down in the world and I have lived in other countries and I have had Southern Baptists for relatives.
Oh damn. You leave but with no other choice but to say: fuck you asshole.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:04:30pm |
re: #179 Floral Giraffe
I meant on IM… but it is cool.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:05:08pm |
re: #177 LudwigVanQuixote
I went to visit her today, now all I want to do is cry.
Bless you.
She is with God,Now.
Sister is very suporiitve.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:06:46pm |
re: #184 Floral Giraffe
I went to visit her today, now all I want to do is cry.
Bless you.
She is with God,Now.
Sister is very suporiitve.
We say in these times:
May God comfort you and all the other mourners.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:06:51pm |
I just found out that the Rebels are using Strawmen as decoys in Misrata. That makes me so happy. Strawmen being used for a good purpose.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:07:24pm |
I will say that I don’t deny America did a whole bunch of fucked-up shit during and after the Cold War.
I am just not comfortable with the idea that the current generation - one that actually puts in an effort to right those wrongs - simply deserves to let that fucked-up shit wreak its vengeance on them.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:07:34pm |
GUYS… read this thread a little more carefully and focus on what is important please.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:07:47pm |
re: #183 LudwigVanQuixote
You”re a sweet pea. There isn’t anything to be done.
Mom is in God’s hands. Bless you for triyng to help me.
It’s hard, right now.
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:08:31pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
I once got called an ignorant asshole by a hell of a lot more dangerous man than you. So, no joy on your attempted insult.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:08:40pm |
re: #188 LudwigVanQuixote
GUYS… read this thread a little more carefully and focus on what is important please.
I’m trying but useful is one word.
//
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:08:49pm |
re: #189 Floral Giraffe
You”re a sweet pea. There isn’t anything to be done.
Mom is in God’s hands. Bless you for triyng to help me.
It’s hard, right now.
ok
Then I will talk to you tomorrow I hope.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:10:28pm |
re: #190 dell*nix
I once got called an ignorant asshole by a hell of a lot more dangerous man than you. So, no joy on your attempted insult.
Badabadabada boom! Whatever. To be honest I really don’t know what you’re babbling about old man. You were bitching about something before which I ignored.
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:12:20pm |
re: #193 Gus 802
Then why jump in and try insults?
And yeah, I have had bad marks for spelling before. Nothing new there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:12:22pm |
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:13:11pm |
re: #194 dell*nix
Then why jump in and try insults?
And yeah, I have had bad marks for spelling before. Nothing new there.
Dude. You’re the one that got on my case. Or have you forgotten?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:14:01pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
It’s pretty funny. Americans like to harp on the UN while they supported death squads in South and Central America and all the other bullshit we did in the Middle East. But oh no. Don’t pay attention to that. It’s those Blue Helmet guys! Ignore the CIA sucking Saddam’s skin flute. Forget Cambodia, Lao, East Timor, Operation Condor and Kissinger’s very own death squads.
Any questions?
Yeah. Am I allowed to despise the bad things done (or mostly failed to do) of the UN if I denounce all the bad things done by the United States first?
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:14:32pm |
re: #194 dell*nix
Then why jump in and try insults?
And yeah, I have had bad marks for spelling before. Nothing new there.
I didn’t give you any shit and you give me a hard time and then ask me why I insulted you? Check your six man.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:16:51pm |
re: #179 Floral Giraffe
Bless you for caring.
It’s going to be a tough 48 hours, maybe, more.
I appreciate your support.
HUGGG!!!!
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:19:07pm |
re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. Am I allowed to despise the bad things done (or mostly failed to do) of the UN if I denounce all the bad things done by the United States first?
Your choice. This is LGF. A lot of people are scared of things… Oh crap I just got an essay for a response…
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:22:54pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
If you consider my posts giving you a hard time, then you need to up your standards of what a hard time is.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:23:32pm |
re: #203 dell*nix
If you consider my posts giving you a hard time, then you need to up your standards of what a hard time is.
That’s pretty funny.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:24:09pm |
re: #203 dell*nix
If you consider my posts giving you a hard time, then you need to up your standards of what a hard time is.
Who are you? What’s your real name? My real name is Gus. Seriously, I’m not kidding.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:24:56pm |
re: #203 dell*nix
If you consider my posts giving you a hard time, then you need to up your standards of what a hard time is.
So tell me more about yourself like I have at LGF for the past 3 years. I layed it all on the line. Perhaps you can too?
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:25:47pm |
re: #203 dell*nix
If you consider my posts giving you a hard time, then you need to up your standards of what a hard time is.
Oh but of course you can’t. “Dell”. What kind of bullshit name is that?
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:26:01pm |
re: #205 Gus 802
Mine is Jack. Which was a bit of a surprise when WUB used it in one of her posts.
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Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:26:29pm |
re: #208 dell*nix
Mine is Jack. Which was a bit of a surprise when WUB used it in one of her posts.
Her? Um, uh, err. Uh.
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:27:11pm |
re: #207 Gus 802
Dell from the computer I use *nix from the os. Remember, I said I type slow.
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simoom Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:36:03pm |
I was reading about the LA Birther legislation but in the same article there was this:
fox8live.com
Political analysts believe another hot-button issue is a bill to ban abortions in Louisiana that could also charge doctors who perform the procedure.“We want to exercise our 10th amendment option of affirming that Louisiana has the right to determine this and not the federal government,” said Rep. John LaBruzzo (R-Metairie).
Governor Jindal said he’s pro-life, but believes the bill’s language is flawed. “We always support measures that protect innocent human life. I think that’s very important to do. This particular bill has some flaws the way it was written. The author has said that. I know he’s working with others to try to correct those flaws so we’ll certainly take a look at it once he’s amended the bill,” said Jindal.
LaBruzzo told FOX 8 right now the bill calls for women to be charged with feticide, but he said that’s not his intention and that he will fix the bill.
Roe v. Wade nullification bill …?
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:38:45pm |
re: #211 simoom
If that was not his intention, then the bill would not have been written that way. Must be getting too much negative feedback.
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simoom Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:40:49pm |
re: #212 dell*nix
That last quote sentence seems to imply that the “feticide” criminal charge bit is the what Gov. Jindal has issues with, not the whole nullification part.
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dell*nix Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:46:40pm |
re: #213 simoom
Louisiana does not stand a good chance with the USSC with that. It will be an expensive mistake for the state wasting money they need to spend elsewhere.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:09:58am |
Duke Nukem Forever: Yes, It Really Is Almost Here.
NSFW warning on trailer.
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Usually refered to as anyways Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:12:59am |
iPhone or iTrack: Apple under scrutiny
British security researchers say the popular iPhones and iPads made by Apple are tracking the movements of their users and keeping a record of everywhere they have been.
The two security researchers who examined the devices discovered a file which is stored on the phone and on the computer with which it is synchronised.
Alasdair Allan and Pete Warden say a position-logging feature is contained in iOS 4, the operating system for the iPhone and iPad, released in June.
It contains precise details of wherever the phone and its owner have travelled during the handset’s lifetime.
Already, some have expressed dismay at being tracked without their knowledge.
But deep within Apple’s 15,000-word terms and conditions is a clause warning that the company may collect and share location data, though without identifying individual customers.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:24:18am |
re: #215 laZardo
Duke Nukem Forever: Yes, It Really Is Almost Here.
NSFW warning on trailer.
And then Battletoads 2.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 1:58:00am |
re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
“Shut up and take my money!”
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 2:29:32am |
Posted a new LGF page on local events if anyone’s interested…
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Apr 22, 2011 2:29:51am |
Hisbollah in America.
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abolitionist Fri, Apr 22, 2011 2:30:19am |
Your iPhone is tracking your every move (and logging it). NBC Today Show - Hulu.com video
Such database info can easily be leaked to 3rd parties if your iPhone or computer is compromised by malware. That scenario is a very small step from what is being reported.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 22, 2011 2:35:33am |
That iPhone story is really getting pushed all over the place, and has been brought here several times.
Recommend reading the Page Charles put up about it earlier:
littlegreenfootballs.com
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EdDantes Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:14:53am |
I must down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
And the wheel’s kick and the wind’s song and the white sail’s shaking,
And a gray mist on the sea’s face, and a gray dawn breaking.
-John Masefield
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EdDantes Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:35:42am |
re: #227 researchok
Happy Earth day! I remember the first one.
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researchok Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:36:08am |
re: #221 freetoken
Great selection of AM tunes today.
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researchok Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:46:32am |
re: #228 EdDantes
Happy Earth day! I remember the first one.
It is customary to buy me beer on this sacred day.
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EdDantes Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:52:25am |
re: #230 researchok
Indeed I will. But do you mind if it passes through my kidneys first?
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researchok Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:59:21am |
re: #231 EdDantes
Indeed I will. But do you mind if it passes through my kidneys first?
I need to explain how this works….
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EdDantes Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:06:17am |
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EdDantes Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:15:28am |
re: #234 researchok
Very much so.
I give, I give and I give. And just when you think there’s nothing left, I give a little more.
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EdDantes Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:25:00am |
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the LORD, and his wonders in the deep.
Good night, all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:45:49am |
Paul Krugman nails it
[S]omething else struck me as I looked at Republican arguments against the board, which hinge on the notion that what we really need to do, as the House budget proposal put it, is to “make government health care programs more responsive to consumer choice.”
Here’s my question: How did it become normal, or for that matter even acceptable, to refer to medical patients as “consumers”? The relationship between patient and doctor used to be considered something special, almost sacred. Now politicians and supposed reformers talk about the act of receiving care as if it were no different from a commercial transaction, like buying a car — and their only complaint is that it isn’t commercial enough.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:46:55am |
re: #225 freetoken
you’d think we have more important things to worry about than some iphone conspiracy theory, but I guess people need to be distracted from the misery
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:51:56am |
re: #239 WindUpBird
you’d think we have more important things to worry about than some iphone conspiracy theory, but I guess people need to be distracted from the misery
It’s not a conspiracy but when you tie the apple info cache with this…
ACLU And EFF Sue Justice Department To Uncover Records Of Cell Phone Tracking
…it should raise a lot of red flags. Encrypt your data!
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:55:15am |
re: #238 WindUpBird
Therein lies my one little complaint of health care reform. What’s the point of switching to a universal health-care system when the beancounters that effectively determine who lives and dies will simply switch in a government ID for their insurance company ID?
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:55:54am |
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:05:55am |
re: #240 RogueOne
It’s not a conspiracy but when you tie the apple info cache with this…
ACLU And EFF Sue Justice Department To Uncover Records Of Cell Phone Tracking…it should raise a lot of red flags. Encrypt your data!
Won’t they have the ability to decrypt it back wherever the data goes?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:07:34am |
re: #242 RogueOne
oops, wrong lawsuit:
Michigan Cops Scan Your Cell Phone Data: ACLU
[Link: www.newser.com…]
I have a crack dealer phone! I think it has ten numbers on it and a bunch of bullshit IMs about trying to find a chinese restaurant in San Jose
SCAN MY ANYTIME MINUTES, DANNO
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:08:20am |
re: #240 RogueOne
It’s not a conspiracy but when you tie the apple info cache with this…
ACLU And EFF Sue Justice Department To Uncover Records Of Cell Phone Tracking…it should raise a lot of red flags. Encrypt your data!
I have no smartphone, or any regular cell phone of any kind
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Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:13:35am |
re: #239 WindUpBird
you’d think we have more important things to worry about than some iphone conspiracy theory, but I guess people need to be distracted from the misery
re: #244 WindUpBird
I have a crack dealer phone! I think it has ten numbers on it and a bunch of bullshit IMs about trying to find a chinese restaurant in San Jose
SCAN MY ANYTIME MINUTES, DANNO
Will you feel as comfortable when President Huckabee appoints his Attorney General?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:17:04am |
re: #240 RogueOne
It’s not a conspiracy but when you tie the apple info cache with this…
ACLU And EFF Sue Justice Department To Uncover Records Of Cell Phone Tracking…it should raise a lot of red flags. Encrypt your data!
I’ve been trying since the 1990s to get people to encrypt their email using PGP. Approximately zero people can be bothered to do it. It *could* be easily built into all email clients, including web email, but nooOOooOOOo.
Privacy tools are available in abundance, but honestly I think convincing anyone to use them is a lost cause.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:19:19am |
re: #243 laZardo
Not without the encryption code. I use PGP on my laptop and external drives, without the code/usb key they may as well be bricks. I only use a password locker and OI safe on my phone because I’m more concerned about losing it than having the police go through it. I have almost 300 contacts, 5 different email accounts and a banking app. I don’t want some asshat getting hold of that info.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:21:04am |
re: #247 negativ
I really like PGP (I’ve only been using it for 5 years or so) they have a droid app but it doesn’t encrypt everything so I’m not seeing much of a benefit over what I already use.
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kirkspencer Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:24:58am |
re: #130 Floral Giraffe
If you have ever wondered, Just love the one you’re with.
Life is short, and it’ isn’t easy.
Be brave, and love.
BBL.
A loved one has just passed.
Floral, my sympathies.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:25:01am |
re: #226 EdDantes
I must down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
And the wheel’s kick and the wind’s song and the white sail’s shaking,
And a gray mist on the sea’s face, and a gray dawn breaking.
-John Masefield
I will arise and go now, for always night and day
I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore;
While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements grey,
I hear it in the deep heart’s core.
Yeats
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:27:52am |
Mukhtar Mai, Pakistan Gang Rape Victim, Fearful After All But One Suspect Cleared
huffingtonpost.com
ISLAMABAD — Pakistan’s Supreme Court on Thursday freed five men accused in the notorious gang-rape of a woman under orders from a village council in 2002, angering the victim and human rights groups. The ruling left just one of the initial 14 suspects in prison.Mukhtar Mai was assaulted after the council in her village in Punjab province ordered she be raped as punishment for her 13-year-old brother’s suspected affair with a woman of a higher caste. She attracted global sympathy and much international media coverage by shunning custom and speaking out about her ordeal.
Fourteen men were originally accused in the case, but a lower court acquitted eight. In 2005, an appeals court acquitted five out of the six remaining defendants, saying witness statements contradicted the prosecution case.
The Supreme Court upheld that ruling Thursday, said defense lawyer Malik Saleem. It also upheld the life sentence handed down to the sixth man.
Mai said she would not request another review of the case.
“I am scared these 13 people will come back to my village and harm me and my family,” Mai told The Associated Press. “I have lost faith in the courts, and now I am leaving my case to the court of God. I am sure God will punish those who molested me.”
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:30:46am |
re: #252 RogueOne
Mukhtar Mai, Pakistan Gang Rape Victim, Fearful After All But One Suspect Cleared
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
You should page that, imo, so more people see it.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:30:50am |
re: #247 negativ
The problem is that true security requires diligence in a way that most people are just never going to do, because it interferes with efficiency.
Models of security need to account for human behavior; PNP is a great tool, but its efficacy for helping the average joe is close to nothing.
If I need to do something sensitive, I use truecrypt, and forgoe email almost entirely.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:33:06am |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:35:39am |
re: #255 WindUpBird
Nah, I just wouldn’t leave the house
I’ve been looking for an excuse to go all Howard Hughes anyhow
Yeah—between the election and inauguration day I could probably get a bunker dug.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:41:41am |
re: #252 RogueOne
I am sure God will punish those who molested me.
I call dead and buried before the end of next month.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:42:54am |
Nurse backs up testimony of woman accusing two NYPD officers of raping her while she was drunk
nydailynews.com
The sensational case charges Officers Kenneth Moreno and Franklin Mata with assaulting the heavily intoxicated victim after helping her to her apartment when she passed out in a taxi.Video surveillance showed the officers returning to the woman’s apartment three more times that night and the woman says, at one point, she woke up with a man on top of her.
Prosecutors allege Moreno, 44, raped her while Mata, 28, stood watch. Both officers deny anything happened.
……..
During graphic cross examination, one of Moreno’s lawyers drew a rebuke from the judge after comparing a woman’s private parts to a Venus Flytrap.“It’s not like a Venus Flytrap and snaps?” attorney Chad Seigel asked.
“That is a terrible example,” Judge Gregory Carro interjected.
good lord what a complete ass. What’s the Shakespeare quote about starting with the lawyers?
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:44:08am |
re: #257 laZardo
I call dead and buried before the end of next month.
That comment about god really stood out to me. I wish she were right but we already know how this story ends.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:46:16am |
re: #258 RogueOne
Nurse backs up testimony of woman accusing two NYPD officers of raping her while she was drunk
[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]good lord what a complete ass. What’s the Shakespeare quote about starting with the lawyers?
What a horrible, horrible story. Ugh.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:51:51am |
SlutWalks Sweep The Nation
huffingtonpost.com
Toronto police constable Michael Sanguinetti thought he was offering the key to rape prevention. “I’m not supposed to say this,” he told a group of students at an Osgoode Hall Law School safety forum on January 24, but to prevent being sexually assaulted, “Avoid dressing like sluts.”Despite Sanguinetti’s subsequent written apology and promises of further professional training, the victim-blaming gaffe heard round the world sparked a movement that began in Canada but is now sweeping the United States and abroad: SlutWalks.
Image: r-SLUTWALKUNITEDSTATESCITY-large570.jpg
Sarcastic protests are something I can get behind…
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:54:32am |
re: #262 RogueOne
Dirtbags with a dirtbag lawyer.
My father had a law degree and when I was around 12 I said I wanted to become a lawyer.
He asked me, Could you defend a man who was a rapist, knowing he was guilty?
I said, No.
He said, you can’t be a lawyer then.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:05:09am |
re: #258 RogueOne
The Shakespeare quote about starting with the lawyers is actually said by a criminal called “Dick the Butcher” who serves a pretender to the throne who wants to overthrow Henry V. Then they murder a clerk.
I think the legal profession in general is too in love with the law, and not enough in love with justice. But we are a nation of laws. It’s through the courts that most of the civil rights have moved forwards incrementally.
Laws, and lawyers, are the basis for civil society. Which makes the lawyers who abuse that position even more contemptible.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:06:31am |
When I was 19 I was in a restaurant with my folks eating lunch. A girl walks up to the table called me a slut, slapped me in the face and stormed off. (Turns out your not supposed to sleep with the maid of honor when your gf is just a bridesmaid or something) More than 20 years later and my mom still calls me “slut” and gives me a hard time about it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:07:17am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:07:51am |
re: #264 iceweasel
My father had a law degree and when I was around 12 I said I wanted to become a lawyer.
He asked me, Could you defend a man who was a rapist, knowing he was guilty?
I said, No.
He said, you can’t be a lawyer then.[Video]
Strangely enough, I would have no problem with that
it’s the suits, can’t do it, also, getting up early, nope, not for me
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:08:15am |
re: #265 Obdicut
I shouldn’t blame the whole profession because that guy is a dick but he’s such a huge prick he’s casting a wide shadow.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:08:28am |
re: #264 iceweasel
My father had a law degree and when I was around 12 I said I wanted to become a lawyer.
He asked me, Could you defend a man who was a rapist, knowing he was guilty?
I said, No.
He said, you can’t be a lawyer then.[Video]
Someone’s gotta do it.
Maybe Mike Rowe could feature it on his show.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:08:52am |
re: #268 WindUpBird
Strangely enough, I would have no problem with that
it’s the suits, can’t do it, also, getting up early, nope, not for me
Yeah, there are lots of reasons not to be a lawyer or 9-5 er.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:09:33am |
re: #271 iceweasel
Yeah, there are lots of reasons not to be a lawyer or 9-5 er.
I’m more of a 4 to 4-er
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:10:45am |
re: #272 WindUpBird
I’m more of a 4 to 4-er
That’s why I can catch you online! How’s it going, what’s your news?
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:13:27am |
Was Emma Watson Teased Out of Brown?
newser.com
(Newser) – Holy witchcraft! Did Emma Watson ditch Brown because she was sick of teasing by Ivy Leaguers smitten with their own relentlessly sophomoric Harry Potter humor? Chums say Watson left because she couldn’t take one more “3 Points for Gryffindor” joke every time she answered a question correctly in class. “She’s really smart,” and she likes to participate in class, but didn’t appreciate the jokes, an insider tells the New York Daily News. Harvard students were also a pain when they “stalked” her at a football game and “shouted Harry Potter phrases as her,” says the pal.
I can see that getting old pretty quick.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:14:40am |
re: #273 iceweasel
That’s why I can catch you online! How’s it going, what’s your news?
Not a whole lot, just still scribbling away, cleared out my spare room, moved all my art/computer gear and my drum kit in, that’ll be fun once I make sense of this whole home recording folly *_*
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:16:01am |
re: #263 RogueOne
I read that and I think I actually went YEAH! aloud
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:17:33am |
re: #274 RogueOne
I would hate being famous. Even back at college it was annoying how many people knew about me who I didn’t know.
It would be so weird to not be able to go out to a bar without getting hassled by a zillion morons who think they’re being original.
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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:19:20am |
I’ll make this point as many times as I need to because it’s the truth:
Responsible education about and use of contraceptives helps to prevent unwanted preganancies and lower abortions.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:19:37am |
re: #277 Obdicut
The “3 points for Gryffindor” was probably hilarious…the first 20 times.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:21:25am |
re: #278 dragonfire1981
I’ll make this point as many times as I need to because it’s the truth:
Responsible education about and use of contraceptives helps to prevent unwanted preganancies and lower abortions.
As well as access to emergency contraception. Don’t forget that the wingnuts like to point out that the US has higher rates of surgical abortion than other industrialised nations, and this is partly due to their own success at blocking the nonsurgical forms and the morning after pill.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:21:28am |
You know you have lost all faith in humanity when you watch this YouTube video of some brawl in front of a Cleveland McDonalds escalating into a hit-and-run and laughing because some hip-hop website put watermarks all over it.
I know I did. :D
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:23:11am |
re: #282 laZardo
Is that the one that happened the day they had the big hiring day?
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:24:48am |
re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is that the one that happened the day they had the big hiring day?
Yep, that one.
Found it on (the replacement site for) Encyclopedia Dramatica, because that’s how I lurk. :P
Note: ED’s creator shut down the site and replaced it with what is now called “Oh Internet” due to the over-abundance of teh dramaz.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:26:12am |
re: #284 laZardo
Are you gonna crucify yourself this weekend? Just askin’. :)
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:26:32am |
re: #276 WindUpBird
Hey man, did you know Bones
blogtown.portlandmercury.com
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laZardo Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:27:30am |
re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar
Are you gonna crucify yourself this weekend? Just askin’. :)
No, the line was too long.
Plus they actually paved a viewing area for that this year, ruins the charm. (;
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:32:46am |
Another good story on Hetherington:
Tim Hetherington’s Diary
slate.com
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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:36:00am |
Happy Earth Day everyone! Remember to treat the planet well for a day.
Or take it from a different view.
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:38:45am |
re: #290 darthstar
Happy Earth Day everyone! Remember to treat the planet well for a day.
[Video]
In honor of Earth Day, I’m only pissing in the compost pile today. You may thank me now.
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BongCrodny Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:45:36am |
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:46:53am |
re: #274 RogueOne
I’m guessing that she’s going to head to NYU, where she’ll likely find a much more inviting atmosphere, and some of her friends and colleagues are in the city, including Daniel Radcliffe, who’s on Broadway. There were reports that she was scoping out a place in the City and that she was looking at one of the college programs here. She’s a smart cookie who’ll end up okay - and it may have to do as much with the cloistered environment at Brown as anything else.
The Gryffindor quip may have been funny the first time, but that would get real tired real quick.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:47:30am |
Drudge is running videos of black people beating up whites again.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:50:48am |
My favorite tweet I’ve seen today:
SEVEN pt 5. Truth Repetitive Reoccuring History Fallen Angels Naphilim False Flag War Terror Drugs tinyurl.com
Is it a shopping list for the Illuminati?
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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:55:16am |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
Drudge is running videos of black people beating up whites again.
He’s only trying to help.
/
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:58:04am |
re: #291 Jeff In Ohio
In honor of Earth Day, I’m only pissing in the compost pile today. You may thank me now.
Shit makes great fertilizer. Don’t be selfish, share the wealth!
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:58:36am |
re: #299 darthstar
More bad press for McDonalds. Bad news comes in 3’s so there’s one more mcdonalds beat down coming, stick with White Castles this weekend.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:59:48am |
re: #301 RogueOne
More bad press for McDonalds. Bad news comes in 3’s so there’s one more mcdonalds beat down coming, stick with White Castles this weekend.
HOW ABOUT I PUNCHSIZE YOUR FACE, FOR FREE?
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:59:48am |
re: #301 RogueOne
More bad press for McDonalds. Bad news comes in 3’s so there’s one more mcdonalds beat down coming, stick with White Castles this weekend.
I would, but I promised I’d finally try haggis this weekend. Urp.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:01:27am |
re: #274 RogueOne
Was Emma Watson Teased Out of Brown?
[Link: www.newser.com…]I can see that getting old pretty quick.
Nope…she just took a break to finish the Potter films.
Watson, who portrays the British boy wizard’s sidekick Hermione Granger in the wildly popular movies, posted a message to fans on her website on Monday saying that she is taking some time out of Brown University to finish off the “Potter” films.
The final chapter, “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2” will be released worldwide this upcoming July.
“I love Brown and I love studying pretty much more than anything but recently I’ve had so much to juggle that being a student AND fulfilling my other commitments has become a little impossible,” Watson wrote.
My guess is the tabloids win again on titillating us with drama, but the reality is much more boring.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:02:45am |
re: #303 iceweasel
I would, but I promised I’d finally try haggis this weekend. Urp.
It’s pretty good, actually.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:02:49am |
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:03:17am |
re: #303 iceweasel
I would, but I promised I’d finally try haggis this weekend. Urp.
Embrace the haggis.
Based on a Dare
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:05:27am |
re: #305 darthstar
Nope…she just took a break to finish the Potter films.
My guess is the tabloids win again on titillating us with drama, but the reality is much more boring.
From my experience of being at college with someone fairly famous, the vast majority of fellow students went out of their way to ignore the famousness for reasons varying from politeness (mostly) to desperate need to appear cool (the unfortunate few).
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McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:06:35am |
re: #311 iossarian
From my experience of being at college with someone fairly famous, the vast majority of fellow students went out of their way to ignore the famousness for reasons varying from politeness (mostly) to desperate need to appear cool (the unfortunate few).
We had a Miss Canada in our Comp Sci program at university. Almost seemed cruel…
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:07:28am |
re: #310 iceweasel
I love that. :)
Ice! Yo! Whew, I got pretty shit faced last night. ;) Too bad you weren’t around. Who the hell is dell*nix? Eh, who cares right? Just another internet person.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:08:35am |
re: #313 Gus 802
Ice! Yo! Whew, I got pretty shit faced last night. ;) Too bad you weren’t around. Who the hell is dell*nix? Eh, who cares right? Just another internet person.
Gus! Yay! Emailed you. Sorry I missed you last night, seems like a lot of fun. What were you drinking anyway? :) If it’s whisky I’m jealous.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:10:17am |
re: #309 iceweasel
I’m looking forward to it actually. What the hell!
I remember when I ate Balut for the first time…cost me 10pisos from a street vendor in Makati City. He threw a pinch of salt on the little duck’s head and then I threw the whole thing in my mouth. Tasted like duck stew, only with some rubbery bits (I think that was the feet and bill/skull). But delicious.
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:10:27am |
re: #314 iceweasel
Gus! Yay! Emailed you. Sorry I missed you last night, seems like a lot of fun. What were you drinking anyway? :) If it’s whisky I’m jealous.
Yep, that’s what I drank. And some remainder of a Newcastle I had sitting in the frig. Been a few weeks since I’ve done that. Oh well. Life is stressful especially with every other person acting like Agnew once in a while. ;)
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:11:17am |
Agnew as in Spiro Agnew. Either that or they act like Kissinger with a hard on.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:12:18am |
Mistakenly shoot down a veteran carrying a legal weapon and you get an award:
Las Vegas officers honored for ‘heroic’ Costco shooting
lvrj.com
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:12:57am |
re: #316 Gus 802
Yep, that’s what I drank. And some remainder of a Newcastle I had sitting in the frig. Been a few weeks since I’ve done that. Oh well. Life is stressful especially with every other person acting like Agnew once in a while. ;)
Nice. Jimmah and I had a pint of Bellhaven yesterday at lunch. Other than that alcohol is but a dim memory. I made us irish coffee last week with the remnants of the whisky that Jimmah’s dad left us.
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:15:19am |
re: #319 iceweasel
Nice. Jimmah and I had a pint of Bellhaven yesterday at lunch. Other than that alcohol is but a dim memory. I made us irish coffee last week with the remnants of the whisky that Jimmah’s dad left us.
Cool. Well, one saving grace is that I didn’t have to get up in the middle of the night last night. Don’t really have a major hangover either.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:17:33am |
re: #320 Gus 802
Cool. Well, one saving grace is that I didn’t have to get up in the middle of the night last night. Don’t really have a major hangover either.
You seem pretty perky to me!
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:18:24am |
re: #321 iceweasel
You seem pretty perky to me!
I have the patio door open. It’s chilly outside and I’m drinking my blacker than black coffee.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:20:03am |
On the original post.
The thing that struck me is the similarity between the path that the violent ‘pro-lifers’ follow and the path that serial killers follow, the escalation of their violence. They start small. Then, as they become more confident, do worse and worse things to their target(s) until finally they kill.
It makes me wish we had the same level of strategies for dealing with mental health problems that we do for dealing with physical health problems.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:21:16am |
re: #323 Gus 802
I have the patio door open. It’s chilly outside and I’m drinking my blacker than black coffee.
Come visit us in Scotland sometime, land of instant coffee but great whisky!
It’s really strange how popular instant is here. It’s what I’m drinking now just because it’s cheaper. But if I wanted to find real coffee it’s a bit of a schlep.
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:22:35am |
re: #326 iceweasel
Come visit us in Scotland sometime, land of instant coffee but great whisky!
It’s really strange how popular instant is here. It’s what I’m drinking now just because it’s cheaper. But if I wanted to find real coffee it’s a bit of a schlep.
I get mine down the street!
OK, now I can see a bunch of weirdos “triangulating” in their momma’s basement. //
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:23:13am |
Syrian security forces open fire; 5 killed
hosted.ap.org
BEIRUT (AP) — Witnesses say at least five Syrian protesters have been killed during clashes with security forces.Security forces fired live bullets and tear gas Friday at tens of thousands of people shouting for freedom and democracy in several areas across the country.
Witnesses said they saw at least five corpses at the Hamdan hospital outside the capital. All suffered gunshot wounds.
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:24:45am |
The DOW closed at 12505.99. “Nearly a 3 year high.” Whatever that means to me I still don’t know.
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McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:25:36am |
re: #328 Gus 802
I get mine down the street!
OK, now I can see a bunch of weirdos “triangulating” in their momma’s basement. //
Spit wads incoming!
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:25:39am |
re: #327 Gus 802
Nevermind. Ya.
Ya. Withholding my jokes like “I can see Sarah Palin’s house from up here!” as best I can.
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McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:26:48am |
re: #330 Gus 802
The DOW closed at 12505.99. “Nearly a 3 year high.” Whatever that means to me I still don’t know.
Means the next bubble is inflating on schedule.
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:27:03am |
re: #332 iceweasel
Ya. Withholding my jokes like “I can see Sarah Palin’s house from up here!” as best I can.
I should control myself today. That’ll mean a lot of consciously touchy feelings.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:27:39am |
re: #328 Gus 802
I get mine down the street!
OK, now I can see a bunch of weirdos “triangulating” in their momma’s basement. //
*Ominous horror film music*
“His posts are coming from inside the house!”
//
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:27:41am |
re: #333 McSpiff
Means the next bubble is inflating on schedule.
No! That means more revenue which will eventually trickle down to me!
//
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:28:19am |
re: #318 RogueOne
Mistakenly shoot down a veteran carrying a legal weapon and you get an award:
Las Vegas officers honored for ‘heroic’ Costco shooting
[Link: www.lvrj.com…]
The article you link indicates that the inquiry into the shooting found the officers acted “justifiably”: the veteran had been acting oddly and apparently reached for a weapon during the confrontation.
America’s gun laws suck but if you’re a cop and someone goes for their weapon, you shoot, legal concealed carry or not.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:28:30am |
re: #334 Gus 802
I should control myself today. That’ll mean a lot of consciously touchy feelings.
What are these “feelings” you speak of?
/
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:28:37am |
re: #336 Gus 802
No! That means more revenue which will eventually trickle down to me!
//
Trickle down economics= the rich pissing on the poor some more. Yay! /
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:28:44am |
re: #335 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
*Ominous horror film music*
“His posts are coming from inside the house!”
//
I better get me some gunz!!
//
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:29:24am |
re: #318 RogueOne
Mistakenly shoot down a veteran carrying a legal weapon and you get an award:
Las Vegas officers honored for ‘heroic’ Costco shooting
[Link: www.lvrj.com…]
Let’s see; according to the article a man acting strangely and found to have been on drugs (which in prescribed amounts should not cause obvious impairment), was carrying TWO handguns in a public place with no danger to himself, and reaches for them when approached by police.
All this is excused because he was a veteran and had at some time in the past been given a carry permit?
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McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:29:47am |
Is there anything more boring than writing cover letters for job applications?
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:30:10am |
re: #342 McSpiff
Is there anything more boring than writing cover letters for job applications?
Meetings?
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:30:44am |
re: #341 Naso Tang
Let’s see; according to the article a man acting strangely and found to have been on drugs (which in prescribed amounts should not cause obvious impairment), was carrying TWO handguns in a public place with no danger to himself, and reaches for them when approached by police.
All this is excused because he was a veteran and had at some time in the past been given a carry permit?
It’s so stupid. The same people who are all: “everyone should be allowed to carry guns in order to defend themselves” then get all riled up when someone (in this case a cop who has been trained to know when to shoot/not shoot) actually, you know, uses a gun to defend themselves.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:30:57am |
re: #342 McSpiff
Is there anything more boring than writing cover letters for job applications?
TPS reports?
/
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:31:43am |
re: #345 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
TPS reports?
/
Auto-upding for Office Space references.
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brennant Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:31:45am |
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:32:15am |
re: #330 Gus 802
The DOW closed at 12505.99. “Nearly a 3 year high.” Whatever that means to me I still don’t know.
If you put money into the market during the market crash, you’ve made a boat load if your money tracked the DJIA. If you were DCA’ing over the entire time, you’ve probably come out ahead since the market crash. The strong market since the collapse has meant that states have seen a moderating in their pension funds and that reduces some of the pressure on those states to raise taxes to cover their obligations, but it isn’t a total fix since many of those states (like NY and NJ) are still billions in the hole. The strong stock market has meant a revenue boon for NY especially as it benefits from a strong Wall Street showing - as it directly taxes Wall Street transactions, and that further reduces pressure to raise other taxes or spending cuts to compensate.
I suspect that the market may be heading for another correction, especially as energy prices drive costs higher and will put a crimp into manufacturing and other sectors, as well as lower consumer demand as energy costs take up a higher percentage of spending.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:32:36am |
re: #337 iossarian
The article you link indicates that the inquiry into the shooting found the officers acted “justifiably”: the veteran had been acting oddly and apparently reached for a weapon during the confrontation.
America’s gun laws suck but if you’re a cop and someone goes for their weapon, you shoot, legal concealed carry or not.
There was a lot of conflicting witness testimony but the bottom line is they shot a guy 8 times who had a permit to carry a weapon, hadn’t broken any laws, and the weapon was still in the holster. That’s not heroic and giving them a medal for it is more than distasteful in my book.
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:36:09am |
re: #348 lawhawk
I hate to think about it. Brent crude is still lower than it was in 2008 however the current situation reminds me of 2008. Last thing we need is another repeat (of sorts) of 2008.
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McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:36:33am |
re: #349 RogueOne
There was a lot of conflicting witness testimony but the bottom line is they shot a guy 8 times who had a permit to carry a weapon, hadn’t broken any laws, and the weapon was still in the holster. That’s not heroic and giving them a medal for it is more than distasteful in my book.
Guns can turn rather mundane situations into a life or death situation very quickly. Conflicting testimony usually indicates a confusing situation. Seems like the cops, based on the evidence they had acted within the bounds of the law to protect themselves from a perceived deadly threat. Maybe not medal worthy, but I’m not sure what they should have done differently.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:37:16am |
re: #349 RogueOne
There was a lot of conflicting witness testimony but the bottom line is they shot a guy 8 times who had a permit to carry a weapon, hadn’t broken any laws, and the weapon was still in the holster. That’s not heroic and giving them a medal for it is more than distasteful in my book.
I don’t know, what’s the rule for when you’re allowed to shoot? Does the suspect have to have his or her gun out of the holster?
I mean, I agree we should try to prevent situations where folks are shooting each other, but that starts with sane gun laws.
But having said that, I do actually partly agree with you. We should make sure that cops don’t just indiscriminately open fire when presented with a “threat”. The problem is that allowing everyone to wander around with guns makes it much harder to define that “threat”/”no threat” line.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:37:34am |
re: #348 lawhawk
I suspect that the market may be heading for another correction, especially as energy prices drive costs higher and will put a crimp into manufacturing and other sectors, as well as lower consumer demand as energy costs take up a higher percentage of spending.
I’m sure we’ll see some correction along the way but we’ve had a bunch of scares recently (Japan, Debt Rating, Greece, etc) that have investors kind of spooked. I suspect the market is actually a little valued. Good (or decent) economic news continues to trickle in and it appears the economy is essentially fairly healthy.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:39:50am |
re: #353 Killgore Trout
I’m sure we’ll see some correction along the way but we’ve had a bunch of scares recently (Japan, Debt Rating, Greece, etc) that have investors kind of spooked. I suspect the market is actually a little valued. Good (or decent) economic news continues to trickle in and it appears the economy is essentially fairly healthy.
Sure…
Killer Combo of High Gas, Food Prices at Key Tipping Point
The combination of rising gasoline prices and the steepest increase in the cost of food in a generation is threatening to push the US economy into a recession, according to Craig Johnson, president of Customer Growth Partners.
Keep dreaming.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:40:14am |
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:41:06am |
re: #351 McSpiff
Guns can turn rather mundane situations into a life or death situation very quickly. Conflicting testimony usually indicates a confusing situation. Seems like the cops, based on the evidence they had acted within the bounds of the law to protect themselves from a perceived deadly threat. Maybe not medal worthy, but I’m not sure what they should have done differently.
This seems like one of those incidents where a taser would have been useful for a change.
Disclaimer: I have not followed this and don’t know if they tried that.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:42:56am |
re: #349 RogueOne
There was a lot of conflicting witness testimony but the bottom line is they shot a guy 8 times who had a permit to carry a weapon, hadn’t broken any laws, and the weapon was still in the holster. That’s not heroic and giving them a medal for it is more than distasteful in my book.
Easy for you to say. Let’s take out the after the fact knowledge that he was a veteran with all the emotional connotations involved.
Do I assume that you would wait until an obviously armed man fired at you before firing back or would you attempt to shoot at his hand reaching for his weapon?
Anyone who carries weapons (plural I add) in a normally safe public place has to be held to a higher standard of behavior that the rest of us.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:43:31am |
re: #356 iceweasel
This seems like one of those incidents where a taser would have been useful for a change.
That or measures to prevent people who have substance abuse or other psychiatric problems from owning handguns.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:43:47am |
re: #355 Killgore Trout
More backlash…
GOP Rep. Patrick Meehan Faces Constituent Anger After Breaking Campaign Promise To Not Privatize Medicare[Video]
Yeah, that’s becoming the excuse more and more. “We don’t intend for this to be the final product, it’s just an ‘idea’ that we’re putting forward.” As though that somehow takes the reality out of their votes.
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:43:47am |
re: #355 Killgore Trout
More backlash…
GOP Rep. Patrick Meehan Faces Constituent Anger After Breaking Campaign Promise To Not Privatize Medicare[Video]
You know. I really don’t understand the details of all of this but from what I can see even with health care reform America’s health care system will still suck in the coming years.
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brennant Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:44:37am |
re: #354 Walter L. Newton
[Link: www.cnbc.com…]
Keep dreaming.
Today show is on in the background, and I kept hearing “$6 gas this summer” multiple times… ugh.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:45:15am |
Disclaimer: I am a little on edge about the guns thing because apparently a woman walked into an office up the street with a rifle a few days ago.
Details are sparse (no-one was hurt and it’s not even clear if the gun was loaded) but that’s not the kind of thing that makes it easy to focus at work!
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kirkspencer Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:45:26am |
re: #351 McSpiff
Guns can turn rather mundane situations into a life or death situation very quickly. Conflicting testimony usually indicates a confusing situation. Seems like the cops, based on the evidence they had acted within the bounds of the law to protect themselves from a perceived deadly threat. Maybe not medal worthy, but I’m not sure what they should have done differently.
They entered in confrontation mode instead of making a calm approach. From testimony they basically came in and yelled at the guy to freeze, drop weapon, etc. Since there were two of them what they could have done was a split approach so one officer flanked and moved somewhat behind while the other made a calm, “Sir, may we talk to you a moment” approach. The flanking officer could have had hand on weapon for immediate use while the speaking officer used an open spread (hands slightly wider than shoulder width, waist level, open).
The key tell in officer approach and expectation, I think, is the fact that even though the guy reached for his weapon it was still in the holster when he was shot.
Putting it simply, I think that by the technical measure the officers were right - they thought they were entering a high threat situation and reacted to the perceived threatening move - but their entry expectations created a self-fulfilling prophecy. ie, they thought they were going to have to shoot, and their preparations ensured they had to shoot.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:45:42am |
re: #359 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, that’s becoming the excuse more and more. “We don’t intend for this to be the final product, it’s just an ‘idea’ that we’re putting forward.” As though that somehow takes the reality out of their votes.
That’s the mantra I keep hearing. Just a negotiating position (not intended to be taken factually).
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:46:34am |
re: #350 Gus 802
The energy costs is a huge issue - and it’s likely to be a central focus heading into election season this year - and towards 2012. Maybe, for the first time in several generations, the country will finally recognize the importance of a coordinated and coherent energy policy that does more than plant platitudes and empty slogans.
Energy costs are going to sap the economy significantly, and improving efficiencies can do only so much here in the US as demand for oil elsewhere will keep oil prices high, such as increased demand in China for their own burgeoning auto industry.
It means cutting red tape and improving electric power distribution systems in the US, increasing r&d for alt energy, and looking at new nuclear power technologies in a major way to handle demand for power, including for what some think will be a major EV renaissance. It also means that automakers and the public have to reset their thinking about horsepower being the dominant trait for cars, and look at efficiency. Even with the new auto show in NYC this week, the focus is schizophrenic - on one hand you’ve got a couple of new hybrids/evs, but the rest of the show focuses on the usual new higher horsepower vehicles (which coincidentally get same or similar mpg as the vehicles they replace).
It also means that the trucking industry has to do much more to wring improvements - using new efficiency techniques such as fairings and other modifications to their trailers and rigs to increase fuel efficiency, and expand reliance on rail for long haul cargo. HSR has a role, but it isn’t nearly as important in reducing energy usage as the trucking and bus industries improving fuel efficiency.
Consider for a moment that the typical bus gets less than 3mpg. It’s awful, but a modest improvement to 4mpg, could significantly reduce costs to transit agencies and energy demands.
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McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:47:19am |
You know, I realize how incredibly lucky I am to be graduating debt free from a good university, and how lucky I am to have a place to live while I job my hunt. My parents truly are awesome people.
That being said.
I’d feel much less crazy if people didn’t come into my room and take things off my bedside table while I’m sleeping.
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:48:31am |
re: #365 lawhawk
Yep. Raising CAFE standards would be a good thing.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:49:06am |
re: #363 kirkspencer
I think you make good points here, and I hope (and believe) that many police forces use this kind of analysis to reduce the incidence of unnecessary violence.
On the other hand, right or wrong, I believe that people who carry guns are essentially accepting that, if they run into a situation of disagreement/conflict with the police, they stand a high chance of being shot. Again, that’s not a moral judgement, rather a statement about how the world works.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:49:07am |
re: #352 iossarian
Like I said before, there is a lot of conflicting testimony, some of it backs up the police and some doesn’t. Aslo, the video feeds in the store had a glitch so they were never able to produce the video.
According to witnesses there were 3 cops each shouting commands and a crowd that was trying to get the hell out of the way, almost chaos. The officer who fired first said he was on heightened alert because he knew scott was a trained vet. According to his testimony he told scott to drop the weapon and then he shot him when the weapon was pulled out, still in the holster. That may be legally justifiable but hardly worthy of a medal of freedom.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:49:56am |
re: #366 McSpiff
…locks?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:51:14am |
re: #366 McSpiff
You know, I realize how incredibly lucky I am to be graduating debt free from a good university, and how lucky I am to have a place to live while I job my hunt. My parents truly are awesome people.
That being said.
I’d feel much less crazy if people didn’t come into my room and take things off my bedside table while I’m sleeping.
{mcspiff}
LOL.
I’m having to laugh at this.
It sounds exactly like something the 19-year-old who lives in my house would say. Argh. I’m so very very happy she will be moving to an apartment in August. So is she. It’s a win-win for both of us.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:51:17am |
re: #365 lawhawk
When I worked in the auto industry, we were told time and time again that the American market was all about horsepower, that you couldn’t sell anything on the basis of fuel efficiency.
It’s really a self-fulfilling prophecy as much as anything else.
On the other hand, I had my first “in the paint” sighting of a Volt last week. Fucking cool and I want one.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:53:28am |
re: #357 Naso Tang
Easy for you to say. Let’s take out the after the fact knowledge that he was a veteran with all the emotional connotations involved.
Do I assume that you would wait until an obviously armed man fired at you before firing back or would you attempt to shoot at his hand reaching for his weapon?
Anyone who carries weapons (plural I add) in a normally safe public place has to be held to a higher standard of behavior that the rest of us.
He hadn’t broken any laws and he had a permit. The weapon was never pulled out until the officer told him to. The Costco employee who called 911 said someone saw the weapon on his back and went to the store security. Store security said he got upset when told he wasn’t allowed to have the gun in the store. That’s what he was shot over, carrying a legal weapon.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:53:55am |
re: #369 RogueOne
I can agree to that. As you can probably guess, I prefer it when those medals are given out to the people who do the hard yards of improving community relations with the police (as in the example mentioned at the end of the original article).
From a purely HR point of view I can see why they give them to low-paid officers who get involved in shooting situations though.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:54:59am |
re: #369 RogueOne
I don’t know what the criteria for getting a medal in an armed life or death situation is, but it seems to me that this objection is largely based on him being a veteran.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:55:49am |
re: #374 RogueOne
He hadn’t broken any laws and he had a permit. The weapon was never pulled out until the officer told him to. The Costco employee who called 911 said someone saw the weapon on his back and went to the store security. Store security said he got upset when told he wasn’t allowed to have the gun in the store. That’s what he was shot over, carrying a legal weapon.
If they change the law to allow concealed carry on campus, you can be damn sure that I want the cops to shoot anyone who turns out to have a gun in my office building, on sight.
There are, for what it’s worth, no (known) muggers or rapists in my office from which casual visitors should feel the need to defend themselves.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:55:50am |
re: #365 lawhawk
And that all makes a lot of sense, which is why I don’t see it being part of the GOP’s platform. I think we’ll see the eventual candidate, whoever they may be, pushing the “Drill, Baby, Drill” mantra. Calls for opening up more areas to domestic drilling, more deregulation, and potentially beefing up the domestic refinery infrastructure. Sell it all under the blanket of “job creation” and/or “energy independence.” Talk down the idea of investment in alt. energy and nuclear energy as “expensive,” something we “can’t afford” right now, as well as any calls for new regulations (carbon tax, CAFE standards, etc) as being “job killers.”
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:56:02am |
re: #376 Naso Tang
I don’t know what the criteria for getting a medal in an armed life or death situation is, but it seems to me that this objection is largely based on him being a veteran.
Partly but mostly because he hadn’t broken any laws, threatened anyone in any way, and ended up dead with 8 bullets in him in a costco parking lot.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:56:23am |
re: #374 RogueOne
That’s what he was shot over, carrying a legal weapon.
That’s not what I read into the article you posted, and I’ve said as much already. Nuff said on this.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:57:21am |
re: #379 RogueOne
Partly but mostly because he hadn’t broken any laws, threatened anyone in any way, and ended up dead with 8 bullets in him in a costco parking lot.
What is taking a gun into Costco, if not a threat?
I know, legal carry and all that, but what the fuck are you taking a gun to the grocery store for?
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:57:49am |
re: #373 iossarian
When I worked in the auto industry, we were told time and time again that the American market was all about horsepower, that you couldn’t sell anything on the basis of fuel efficiency.
It’s really a self-fulfilling prophecy as much as anything else.
On the other hand, I had my first “in the paint” sighting of a Volt last week. Fucking cool and I want one.
Even that’s slowly going by the wayside, as foreign imports are making big money off of selling fuel economy and convenience over raw power. The Big Three, Ford especially, have taken notice and are working towards more fuel-efficient engines, trying to find ways to squeeze out horsepower while still cutting gas usage.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:58:21am |
re: #381 iossarian
What is taking a gun into Costco, if not a threat?
I know, legal carry and all that, but what the fuck are you taking a gun to the grocery store for?
Sorry, shouldn’t have used “you”, that should read “what the fuck is he taking a gun to the grocery store for”.
Like I said, on edge with the whole concealed carry on campus + crazy lady with rifle situation.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:58:34am |
re: #381 iossarian
What is taking a gun into Costco, if not a threat?
I know, legal carry and all that, but what the fuck are you taking a gun to the grocery store for?
Some people have a CC and they take their gun with them everywhere it’s legal. I don’t have a problem with that.
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iceweasel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:59:02am |
re: #383 Gus 802
Yahoo email is all screwy this morning.
I sent you a few! BBL though— calls incoming.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:59:46am |
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:59:53am |
re: #386 iceweasel
I sent you a few! BBL though— calls incoming.
Yeah. I had one going out to you but Yahoo got stumped. See you later.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:00:02am |
re: #379 RogueOne
Partly but mostly because he hadn’t broken any laws, threatened anyone in any way, and ended up dead with 8 bullets in him in a costco parking lot.
Reaching for a weapon when confronted by police is not threatening? I don’t see why we have a disconnect here and I don’t want a fight about it.
Shoot to wound is stupid. Shoot to kill means as much as is possible in the seconds it takes to fire 8.
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allegro Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:00:32am |
re: #385 RogueOne
Some people have a CC and they take their gun with them everywhere it’s legal. I don’t have a problem with that.
And yet, this very unfortunate incident is the inevitable result of that. I do have a problem with it for that very reason.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:00:45am |
re: #385 RogueOne
Some people have a CC and they take their gun with them everywhere it’s legal. I don’t have a problem with that.
OK, I will agree to that, with the caveat that I think the law about where carry should be legal should be changed (e.g., I would prefer it if I could go shopping and know that the crazy guy in the bulk food aisle does not have a glock).
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:02:29am |
re: #184 Floral Giraffe
I went to visit her today, now all I want to do is cry.
Bless you.
She is with God,Now.
Sister is very suporiitve.
I am sorry, Floral. Email me if I can be of any help.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:03:09am |
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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:03:46am |
re: #393 Killgore Trout
Right-Wing Media Celebrate Earth Day By Mocking Conservation
Not that shit again. Real mature.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:04:45am |
re: #393 Killgore Trout
Right-Wing Media Celebrate Earth Day By Mocking Conservation
4-year-olds
Sigh and move on.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:05:15am |
re: #378 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Carbon tax would likely be a job killer as it would further increase energy prices above where they’re at right now, but higher CAFE requirements are job neutral - and could potentially be a job creator as it spurs new development of propulsion systems and alt-energy systems.
Nuclear and alt-energy are also potential job creators, but the key issue on the nuclear power front is dealing with the waste - as we saw with Japan, it’s spent fuel pools at Fukushima that were among the portions of the plant most seriously affected by the tsunami and have the least amount of safety systems - moving to a dry cask storage system in the US would improve long term storage solutions short of finally opening Yucca Mt., which itself would be years away even if the moratorium was lifted today. Finding an alternative site or treatment path would take years, and does nothing to add to power generating capacity.
New solar/wind power systems are part of the mix, but NIMBY is playing an oversized role in their placement/deployment, which further increases their costs.
Heck, in NJ, PSE&G is installing solar power arrays on telephone poles around the state, and localities are trying to block some of those installations claiming that they shouldn’t be in residential areas or that the localities didn’t get notice or otherwise falling back on the ugly factor. The full PSE&G rollout would create 40 megawatts of power, equivalent to a small fossil fuel power plant and lessens the need for those sources to operate normally, improving air quality. Wind power projects are being pushed offshore - literally - because of opposition to onshore power projects.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:06:48am |
re: #362 iossarian
Disclaimer: I am a little on edge about the guns thing because apparently a woman walked into an office up the street with a rifle a few days ago.
Details are sparse (no-one was hurt and it’s not even clear if the gun was loaded) but that’s not the kind of thing that makes it easy to focus at work!
To me, that’s an argument for said office to allow concealed carry. The answer to a loon with a gun is to confront them with armed force at the earliest opportunity.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:08:14am |
re: #396 lawhawk
Not to mention the fact that no new type of tax is going to clear the House. Nor is that likely to change in 2012, given how heavily the redistricting favors the GOP.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:10:25am |
re: #398 Dark_Falcon
To me, that’s an argument for said office to allow concealed carry. The answer to a loon with a gun is to confront them with armed force at the earliest opportunity.
Right. If some lunatic bursts through my door with a gun, I should be holding my own gun at the ready and SHOOT THE FUCKER IN THE FACE!!!
Unless it’s just Darlene wishing me a happy birthday on the wrong day again. In this case I should hold my fire.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:11:02am |
re: #400 iossarian
Right. If some lunatic bursts through my door with a gun, I should be holding my own gun at the ready and SHOOT THE FUCKER IN THE FACE!!!
Unless it’s just Darlene wishing me a happy birthday on the wrong day again. In this case I should hold my fire.
PS: This is not a good way to ensure worker productivity either for me or Darlene.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:11:06am |
McCain in Libya: Rebels ‘are my heroes’
Sen. John McCain praised Libya’s rebels Friday as he arrived in the opposition stronghold of Benghazi and the top U.S. military officer warned the fighting was heading for “stalemate.”
“They are my heroes,” McCain said of the rebels as he walked out of a local hotel in Benghazi. He was traveling in an armored Mercedes jeep and had a security detail. A few Libyans waved American flags as his vehicle drove past.
McCain, one of the strongest proponents in Congress of the U.S. military intervention in Libya, said he planned to meet with the rebel National Transition Council, the de-facto government in the eastern half of the country, and members of the rebel military.
The visit by McCain was shrouded in secrecy due to heightened security for the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee in a country fiercely divided by the 2-month-old rebellion against Moammar Gadhafi.
NBC News correspondent Richard Engel, who is in Benghazi, said in a Twitter message that McCain told him Friday that he saw the danger of a stalemate between the rebels and Gadhafi’s forces.
Earlier, Engel said in another Twitter message that Libya was “feeling more like two countries every day.”
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:13:09am |
re: #400 iossarian
Right. If some lunatic bursts through my door with a gun, I should be holding my own gun at the ready and SHOOT THE FUCKER IN THE FACE!!!
Unless it’s just Darlene wishing me a happy birthday on the wrong day again. In this case I should hold my fire.
I didn’t say that. Being able to meet an armed aggressor doesn’t mean being at Condition Red all the time. Proper situational awareness is key. Please don’t charectichure my position.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:13:29am |
re: #400 iossarian
Right. If some lunatic bursts through my door with a gun, I should be holding my own gun at the ready and SHOOT THE FUCKER IN THE FACE!!!
Unless it’s just Darlene wishing me a happy birthday on the wrong day again. In this case I should hold my fire.
When did Darlene burst through your office door with a gun, on the wrong day, to wish you a happy birthday?
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McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:13:46am |
re: #370 Obdicut
Na, not even worth the $15. That post might have sounded annoyed, but I was chuckling as I wrote it.
re: #372 reine.de.tout
{mcspiff}
LOL.
I’m having to laugh at this.
It sounds exactly like something the 19-year-old who lives in my house would say. Argh. I’m so very very happy she will be moving to an apartment in August. So is she. It’s a win-win for both of us.
Gotta fly the nest at some point. I’m somewhat late on moving out, but the finances just didn’t make sense, and my folk’s didn’t want to see me go heavily into debt “just because”.
Honestly, with me doing a fairly intensive engineering degree they were probably the best roommates I could have asked for. Always quiet, happy to cook food for me if I was too busy working. Hell, they’d usually schedule their vacation so that I’d have the house to myself during final exams. I was one of the only people not fighting for space in the library.
Like I said, I’ve been seriously blessed.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:14:44am |
re: #363 kirkspencer
They entered in confrontation mode instead of making a calm approach. From testimony they basically came in and yelled at the guy to freeze, drop weapon, etc. Since there were two of them what they could have done was a split approach so one officer flanked and moved somewhat behind while the other made a calm, “Sir, may we talk to you a moment” approach. The flanking officer could have had hand on weapon for immediate use while the speaking officer used an open spread (hands slightly wider than shoulder width, waist level, open).
The key tell in officer approach and expectation, I think, is the fact that even though the guy reached for his weapon it was still in the holster when he was shot.
Putting it simply, I think that by the technical measure the officers were right - they thought they were entering a high threat situation and reacted to the perceived threatening move - but their entry expectations created a self-fulfilling prophecy. ie, they thought they were going to have to shoot, and their preparations ensured they had to shoot.
I’ve said multiple times there is conflicting testimony about what exactly happened and I’ve even given the officer the benefit of the doubt that he felt he had to shoot….BUT, bottom line is he hadn’t broken any laws, he was shot a total of 8 times and 6 of those were when his hands were empty. That shouldn’t earn someone a damn medal.
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BongCrodny Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:15:54am |
re: #385 RogueOne
Some people have a CC and they take their gun with them everywhere it’s legal. I don’t have a problem with that.
I think it’s reasonable that you be held to a much higher standard if you’re going to carry.
From Fox5News, Las Vegas, 9/22/10:
Olson also testified about chemicals found in Scott’s blood. There were no traces of illegal narcotics, Olson said, but she did find several other drugs, including Xanax, Adderall and morphine, for which Scott had prescriptions, along with hydromorphone, commonly known as Dilaudid.
Much of Olson’s testimony focused on what she described as lethal amounts of Xanax and morphine in Scott’s system. It’s possible, she said, that he developed a strong tolerance to the drugs.
I’m glad it wasn’t me that had to make the decision whether to shoot or not.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:16:41am |
re: #406 RogueOne
I’ve said multiple times there is conflicting testimony about what exactly happened and I’ve even given the officer the benefit of the doubt that he felt he had to shoot…BUT, bottom line is he hadn’t broken any laws, he was shot a total of 8 times and 6 of those were when his hands were empty. That shouldn’t earn someone a damn medal.
Did you see the recreation of the Amadou Doudialo shooting? A pair of semi auto pistol can can off 8 shots very quickly, and many cops are trained to fire till the threat drops.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:17:36am |
re: #396 lawhawk
New nuclear power plants, those built in the last decade have different designs for their cooling systems. Much less complicated and more efficient. The cooling towers actually sit on top of the reactor, not around it. They hold 3 days of water, do not require electricity to run; gravity basically does all the work.
The U.S. has not built a new nuclear power plant since the 70s. We need upgrading, although I’m not sure that’s possible to our existing plants (I missed that on the special heh). Scientists and environmentalists agree that it’s a multi-tiered approach, nuclear, wind, solar, all of it, not just one piece.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:18:42am |
re: #407 BongCrodny
I think it’s reasonable that you be held to a much higher standard if you’re going to carry.
From Fox5News, Las Vegas, 9/22/10:
I’m glad it wasn’t me that had to make the decision whether to shoot or not.
He had met those criteria. Possibly the drugs were him self-medicating. Despite the DoD and DoVA’s best efforts, some vets have untreated PTSD or similar psychological aliments.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:18:51am |
re: #403 Dark_Falcon
I didn’t say that. Being able to meet an armed aggressor doesn’t mean being at Condition Red all the time. Proper situational awareness is key. Please don’t charectichure my position.
What is “situational awareness”?
Are you saying that we should hire some more people to walk the corridors and check that no lunatics are coming into the building with guns? Isn’t that going to be rather cost-ineffective?
As I posted upthread, someone came into a nearby building with a gun recently. Should we all have been alerted and spent the next hour clutching our weapons, in case the person turned out to be a loon? (Of course, if it turns out that the person was not a loon, we needn’t have worried.) How can you tell if the gun carrier is a loon, or a normal citizen? Are there badges that loons wear that enable you to pick them out?
I think it’s much easier if you tell people NO FUCKING GUNS IN THE BUILDING PERIOD, but then I’m a cowardly liberal, so what do I know?
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:20:43am |
re: #411 iossarian
What is “situational awareness”?
Are you saying that we should hire some more people to walk the corridors and check that no lunatics are coming into the building with guns? Isn’t that going to be rather cost-ineffective?
As I posted upthread, someone came into a nearby building with a gun recently. Should we all have been alerted and spent the next hour clutching our weapons, in case the person turned out to be a loon? (Of course, if it turns out that the person was not a loon, we needn’t have worried.) How can you tell if the gun carrier is a loon, or a normal citizen? Are there badges that loons wear that enable you to pick them out?
I think it’s much easier if you tell people NO FUCKING GUNS IN THE BUILDING PERIOD, but then I’m a cowardly liberal, so what do I know?
Rather than down-dinging, how about telling me how I can practice situational awareness with respect to armed lunatics, without further inflating the administrative overhead costs of higher education?
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:22:55am |
This hasn’t been mentioned yet?
Quran-Burning Pastor’s Gun Accidentally Goes Off In Michigan
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:23:37am |
re: #411 iossarian
What is “situational awareness”?
Are you saying that we should hire some more people to walk the corridors and check that no lunatics are coming into the building with guns? Isn’t that going to be rather cost-ineffective?
As I posted upthread, someone came into a nearby building with a gun recently. Should we all have been alerted and spent the next hour clutching our weapons, in case the person turned out to be a loon? (Of course, if it turns out that the person was not a loon, we needn’t have worried.) How can you tell if the gun carrier is a loon, or a normal citizen? Are there badges that loons wear that enable you to pick them out?
I think it’s much easier if you tell people NO FUCKING GUNS IN THE BUILDING PERIOD, but then I’m a cowardly liberal, so what do I know?
Many building already hire security people to do just that. And when someone walks into a nearby building with a gun, if I’ve got a gun, yes I’m going to make sure its ready. But it’ll be holstered or slung, with the safety on. Again, reasonable precaution, not a hair-trigger.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:23:56am |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
Did you see the recreation of the Amadou Doudialo shooting? A pair of semi auto pistol can can off 8 shots very quickly, and many cops are trained to fire till the threat drops.
2 shots came from one officer first, the rest came from the other 2 officers after he had dropped what was in his hands. Some witnesses (and the police) said it was a gun in the holster, some said it was a black bag, and some said it was a blackberry.
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allegro Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:24:41am |
re: #413 JasonA
“So, you are coming to protest against an imaginary threat that doesn’t exist in our community,” Jack O’Reilly Jr., the mayor of Dearborn, wrote to Jones in an open letter.
Heh.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:24:53am |
re: #413 JasonA
This hasn’t been mentioned yet?
Quran-Burning Pastor’s Gun Accidentally Goes Off In Michigan
And now, alas, there’s been a fatality: the floorboard of Jones’ car.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:25:11am |
re: #413 JasonA
This hasn’t been mentioned yet?
Quran-Burning Pastor’s Gun Accidentally Goes Off In Michigan
Damn, if he shot himself in the foot, wouldn’t that have been poetic justice.
| 419 |
McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:25:18am |
re: #398 Dark_Falcon
To me, that’s an argument for said office to allow concealed carry. The answer to a loon with a gun is to confront them with armed force at the earliest opportunity.
The question is, and I think its at the heart of the case Rogue posted as well… Does an armed, mental disturbed person constitute a threat absent any other actions?
And assuming you’re CC, can you make the threat assessment to shoot-to-kill in that situation? Or do you need to wait to see if the person opens fire (potentially on you) first?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:25:23am |
re: #413 JasonA
This hasn’t been mentioned yet?
Quran-Burning Pastor’s Gun Accidentally Goes Off In Michigan
I think its a pity the gun didn’t blow Jones’ balls off.
/I’m not serious, but it’s not truly kidding since I despise Terry Jones.
| 421 |
RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:26:51am |
re: #410 Dark_Falcon
He had met those criteria. Possibly the drugs were him self-medicating. Despite the DoD and DoVA’s best efforts, some vets have untreated PTSD or similar psychological aliments.
He had back injuries from airborne and a car injury. His doctor said, months before the shooting, that he thought scott had a liver issue that kept the drugs from metabolizing correctly and that’s why he had what would be a massive dose to normal people in him.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:27:04am |
re: #414 Dark_Falcon
Many building already hire security people to do just that. And when someone walks into a nearby building with a gun, if I’ve got a gun, yes I’m going to make sure its ready. But it’ll be holstered or slung, with the safety on. Again, reasonable precaution, not a hair-trigger.
Public higher education is currently facing massive state funding cuts, as well as hypocritical calls from the same politicians who cut funding to keep tuition costs down.
But you are suggesting that, instead of making it illegal to carry guns on campus, we hire a bunch of security personnel to roam the corridors so that people can arm themselves against the non-existent threat of being mugged in the financial aid office.
It makes no sense at all.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:27:34am |
re: #419 McSpiff
The question is, and I think its at the heart of the case Rogue posted as well… Does an armed, mental disturbed person constitute a threat absent any other actions?
And assuming you’re CC, can you make the threat assessment to shoot-to-kill in that situation? Or do you need to wait to see if the person opens fire (potentially on you) first?
Legally, a lawfully armed citizen does not have to wait for an armed aggressor to fire first. No state requires “Do not fire unless fired upon” because that is simply impractical due the hitting power of modern firearms.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:28:14am |
re: #421 RogueOne
He had back injuries from airborne and a car injury. His doctor said, months before the shooting, that he thought scott had a liver issue that kept the drugs from metabolizing correctly and that’s why he had what would be a massive dose to normal people in him.
I didn’t know that. I haven’t read the article.
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allegro Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:31:40am |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
Legally, a lawfully armed citizen does not have to wait for an armed aggressor to fire first. No state requires “Do not fire unless fired upon” because that is simply impractical due the hitting power of modern firearms.
This picture you are painting is doing more to argue against your apparent position for unlimited CC. What you just pointed out is that it is legal to just shoot anyone who has a gun regardless of any real threat, what you are decrying in regards to the vet at the Costco. “Threat” is a very subjective call, isn’t it?
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:31:54am |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
Legally, a lawfully armed citizen does not have to wait for an armed aggressor to fire first. No state requires “Do not fire unless fired upon” because that is simply impractical due the hitting power of modern firearms.
Or is it that you can get freakin semi-automatic weapons, multi magazines and illegal weapons as easily as buying candy in this country?
How fast did it take Loughner to gun down 6 people and injure 14 others?
I don’t want to live in a country where everyone is walking around armed to the hilt just waiting for another person to go batshit crazy. Which means, I need to stay out of AZ, I guess.
| 427 |
McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:32:31am |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
Legally, a lawfully armed citizen does not have to wait for an armed aggressor to fire first. No state requires “Do not fire unless fired upon” because that is simply impractical due the hitting power of modern firearms.
So in the case of someone suspected of being mentally disturbed, let’s go with the usual example of the ex-employee, walks into an office with a rifle or otherwise visibly armed. At what point do you open fire?
Sorry if it seems like I’m grilling you, but as you know, I’m Canadian. While I often hear about how concealed carry would stop random spree-killings like we all sorta seem to be discussing, I’m wondering how exactly a CC advocate would see it playing out in reality, both legally and from a personal moral stand point.
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BongCrodny Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:32:35am |
re: #410 Dark_Falcon
He had met those criteria. Possibly the drugs were him self-medicating. Despite the DoD and DoVA’s best efforts, some vets have untreated PTSD or similar psychological aliments.
Sure. But drugs certainly impair one’s ability to think clearly — shit, I love my weed, but I’ll be the first to admit my thought processes are different and weaker when I’m under the influence.
I’m not comfortable with the medals being awarded, though.
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iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:33:50am |
re: #425 allegro
This picture you are painting is doing more to argue against your apparent position for unlimited CC. What you just pointed out is that it is legal to just shoot anyone who has a gun regardless of any real threat, what you are decrying in regards to the vet at the Costco. “Threat” is a very subjective call, isn’t it?
To be fair to DF, I think he and Rogue are arguing different things.
Rogue is saying that the Costco vet shooting was a bad call on the part of the cops. I more or less agree, or at least sympathize, with this view.
DF is saying that people should be armed and ready to respond (rather than trying to prevent gun crime by making it illegal to carry in more places, which is my position on that front).
| 430 |
allegro Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:35:41am |
re: #429 iossarian
To be fair to DF, I think he and Rogue are arguing different things.
Point taken. You are correct and I was confusing/combining the two. Thanks.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:37:21am |
re: #429 iossarian
To be fair to DF, I think he and Rogue are arguing different things.
Rogue is saying that the Costco vet shooting was a bad call on the part of the cops. I more or less agree, or at least sympathize, with this view.
DF is saying that people should be armed and ready to respond (rather than trying to prevent gun crime by making it illegal to carry in more places, which is my position on that front).
Thank you for that.
| 432 |
What, me worry? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:38:38am |
re: #429 iossarian
To be fair to DF, I think he and Rogue are arguing different things.
Rogue is saying that the Costco vet shooting was a bad call on the part of the cops. I more or less agree, or at least sympathize, with this view.
DF is saying that people should be armed and ready to respond (rather than trying to prevent gun crime by making it illegal to carry in more places, which is my position on that front).
I thought the man reached for his gun when the police shot him.
I agree with you on the second point.
| 433 |
RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:39:26am |
I have to run folks. If I’m not back later, enjoy the rest of your friday!
| 434 |
William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:39:41am |
re: #427 McSpiff
So in the case of someone suspected of being mentally disturbed, let’s go with the usual example of the ex-employee, walks into an office with a rifle or otherwise visibly armed. At what point do you open fire?
Sorry if it seems like I’m grilling you, but as you know, I’m Canadian. While I often hear about how concealed carry would stop random spree-killings like we all sorta seem to be discussing, I’m wondering how exactly a CC advocate would see it playing out in reality, both legally and from a personal moral stand point.
Drive by posting:
One important thing to remember in the CCW debate is that neither side has had it’s main argument happen - there is neither a blood bath in the streets and crime does not appreciably drop from just CCW. I believe that people should be allowed to be armed but that one should not be carrying, usually, unless there is a specific threat or reason (a jewelry shop owner carrying proceeds or product, for example) and even then I’m more fond of open carry. However that will get you harassed into next year even though it is theoretically legal in Wisconsin.
I also believe that there needs to be classes in High School, perhaps as part of health class, on safe handling of firearms and that passing such should be required for ownership much as hunter safety is required for a hunting license here in Wisconsin.
I’ll touch back later to try and answer questions/objections.
| 435 |
iossarian Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:40:37am |
It’s good to have these discussions (it’s what makes LGF what it is).
I hope I haven’t pissed people off this morning - bye for now everyone!
| 436 |
What, me worry? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:40:40am |
Now this is all kinds of stupid and a very poorly trained cop.
SEATTLE (AP) — Prosecutors said Wednesday they won’t criminally charge a Seattle police officer who shot and killed a knife-wielding, homeless woodcarver during a brief encounter on a street corner in a case that has prompted angry protests and calls for increased scrutiny of police tactics.
| 437 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:43:04am |
re: #427 McSpiff
So in the case of someone suspected of being mentally disturbed, let’s go with the usual example of the ex-employee, walks into an office with a rifle or otherwise visibly armed. At what point do you open fire?
Sorry if it seems like I’m grilling you, but as you know, I’m Canadian. While I often hear about how concealed carry would stop random spree-killings like we all sorta seem to be discussing, I’m wondering how exactly a CC advocate would see it playing out in reality, both legally and from a personal moral stand point.
As I understand it (based on my reading), if the above scenario occurred, a CC person would be justified in immediately unholstering their weapon and disengaging the safety. Now, I would not advocate immediately taking aim, however. Better to keep the muzzle pointed at the ground and see if you can talk the other guy down. But if he starts to point the weapon at someone, then take aim, and possibly fire. The judgement as to when to cease attempting a peaceful solution varies between situations. I can’t offer definitive guidance for that. The basic premise, though, is to use deadly force only as a last resort and whenever possible try to defuse things instead.
| 438 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:51:48am |
re: #436 marjoriemoon
Now this is all kinds of stupid and a very poorly trained cop.
[Link: m.spokesman.com…]
SEATTLE (AP) — Prosecutors said Wednesday they won’t criminally charge a Seattle police officer who shot and killed a knife-wielding, homeless woodcarver during a brief encounter on a street corner in a case that has prompted angry protests and calls for increased scrutiny of police tactics.
Well, the department did find it as an ‘out-of-policy shooting’ and the officer resigned. Honestly, that’s the best that can be expected. Cops normally don’t face indictment for shootings that would send a civilian to prison. Partially this is owning to the fact that the DA has to work with the police and if he goes after a cop in a contentious case, sometimes this leads to a backlash.
| 439 |
McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:54:51am |
re: #437Dark_Falcon
That to me is a rational, reasonable way to use a firearm. If everyone was capable of that I could see myself supporting CC. But as Rogue pointed out, the suspect in question was legally carrying. I doubt he’d be able to go through that processes the same way you or I could.
| 440 |
McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:57:46am |
Too sad…
York victim’s boyfriend describes webcam attack
The boyfriend of slain York University student Qian Liu says he watched in horror via webcam from China last week as the young woman was attacked in her Toronto apartment thousands of kilometres away.
“The man tried to hold Liu Qian,” Meng Xianchao told China’s CCTV English news broadcaster on Friday, two days after a 29-year-old man was charged with first-degree murder. “She was resisting and saying, ‘No, no, please don’t.’”
…
| 441 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 8:59:57am |
A propos of nothing, my new Verizon thunderbolt makes me want to fart in the iPhone’s general direction. That is all.
| 442 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:01:05am |
re: #441 Aceofwhat?
A propos of nothing, my new Verizon thunderbolt makes me want to fart in the iPhone’s general direction. That is all.
Yeah, but you can only fart for a couple of hours before you need to recharge…
| 443 |
McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:01:25am |
re: #441 Aceofwhat?
A propos of nothing, my new Verizon thunderbolt makes me want to fart in the iPhone’s general direction. That is all.
A new phone is better than an older one? Color me shocked ;-)
| 444 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:04:27am |
re: #442 JasonA
Yeah, but you can only fart for a couple of hours before you need to recharge…
This is true…my gas reserves arent exactly what you’d call sustainable. Although until now, i had thought that a good thing…
| 445 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:04:36am |
re: #439 McSpiff
That to me is a rational, reasonable way to use a firearm. If everyone was capable of that I could see myself supporting CC. But as Rogue pointed out, the suspect in question was legally carrying. I doubt he’d be able to go through that processes the same way you or I could.
He was under the influence. Even with a good policy, sometimes people fall through the cracks. Concealed Carry saves many more lives than it costs, and that makes it good in my eyes.
| 446 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:07:56am |
re: #443 McSpiff
A new phone is better than an older one? Color me shocked ;-)
Right, although at the risk of being kicked by Charles, it also seems much faster than the iPhone 4. Verizon’s 4g network speeds have impressed me so far.
| 447 |
McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:13:53am |
re: #446 Aceofwhat?
Right, although at the risk of being kicked by Charles, it also seems much faster than the iPhone 4. Verizon’s 4g network speeds have impressed me so far.
Not surprised, I was generally disappointed with AT&T’s network on my 3GS when I was in Boston.
| 448 |
PhillyPretzel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:14:23am |
re: #446 Aceofwhat?
Verizon’s network is good for cellphones and internet.
| 449 |
BishopX Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:18:20am |
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
The thing I don’t get about that shooting is that the gun was that his gun was still in the holster.
When the police order you to “drop the gun”, you need to put your hand on your weapon in order to place it on the ground.
Justifying the shooting by saying he “reached for his weapon” after being ordered to do so seems rather Orwellian to me.
| 450 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:32:50am |
Drudge has promoted his video to the main headline: SHOCK VIDEO: ANOTHER RACIAL BEATDOWN AT MCDONALDS
| 451 |
Flounder Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:35:55am |
re: #450 Killgore Trout
Rush led his show with that headline.
| 453 |
Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:36:10am |
re: #450 Killgore Trout
Drudge has promoted his video to the main headline: SHOCK VIDEO: ANOTHER RACIAL BEATDOWN AT MCDONALDS
Race baiting.
| 455 |
William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:37:18am |
OT: I hate MS Access. That POS software should be banned and every copy destroyed.
// Well, only slightly. Back to work fixing one.
| 456 |
Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:37:31am |
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
He was under the influence. Even with a good policy, sometimes people fall through the cracks. Concealed Carry saves many more lives than it costs, and that makes it good in my eyes.
There is no credible evidence to support this claim.
| 457 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:39:00am |
re: #451 Shropshire_Slasher
Rush led his show with that headline.
Wow, this stuff used to be confined to stormfront. Now it’s become standard conservative media fodder.
| 458 |
Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:39:08am |
Man dies after being shocked with a stun gun
Orlando, Florida (CNN) — A man causing a disturbance outside a movie theater near Universal Studios died Friday after being handcuffed and shocked with a Taser stun gun, Orlando police said.
Two off-duty officers who were working security in the area tried to deal with a man who was acting “irrational,” early Friday morning, said Sgt. Barb Jones, an Orlando police spokeswoman.
The suspect — identified as Adam Spencer Johnson, 33, of Winter Haven, Florida — began to “violently” resist after one of the officers tried to detain him, Jones said. An officer shocked the man with a Taser stun gun, then he was handcuffed, police said…
| 459 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:45:34am |
God, I tried to watch that video but it’s too horrific. They beat her so bad she goes into seizures. I wish I hadn’t tried to watch that.
| 460 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:46:22am |
Now, I’m really depressed. I’ll go out and pull weeds for a while. Have a nice day, y’all
| 462 |
Flounder Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:48:17am |
re: #460 Killgore Trout
Weeds are all I grow! I wish I could get rid of the poison parsnip, that crap is nasty, I break out in blisters.
| 463 |
Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:50:32am |
re: #322 Gus 802
Hope I didn’t hurt anyone’s feelings last night!
//
You’ll be hearing from my lawyer and my second.
| 465 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:51:24am |
Looking out my kitchen window, eight dear grazing about 25 feet away… larger herd than last year… last year there were only seven. My dog is behind the porch fence, barking at them, they know the dog can’t get out… they are smiling at him.
| 466 |
Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 9:54:39am |
Pakistan: US drone raid ‘kills 25’ in N Waziristan
At least 25 people have been killed in a US drone strike in the troubled Pakistani tribal region of North Waziristan, officials told the BBC.
Missiles were fired on a large compound in the town of Spinwam, but five women and four children in a nearby house were also killed.
The area is a haven for al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.
Meanwhile, at least 13 soldiers died when hundreds of insurgents attacked a checkpoint near the Afghan border…
| 467 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 22, 2011 10:13:00am |
re: #466 Gus 802
Sad re: the part you highlighted
That said,
The area is a haven for al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.
Meanwhile, at least 13 soldiers died when hundreds of insurgents attacked a checkpoint near the Afghan border
| 468 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 22, 2011 10:14:37am |
re: #465 Walter L. Newton
Looking out my kitchen window, eight dear grazing about 25 feet away… larger herd than last year… last year there were only seven. My dog is behind the porch fence, barking at them, they know the dog can’t get out… they are smiling at him.
Venison,, it’s the other white meat!!
//
Don’t know if you saw, but I posted the other day the (small) family of deer that had taken up residence in the far corner of my property for over the last year seemingly have moved on
| 469 |
Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 10:15:13am |
re: #467 sattv4u2
Sad re: the part you highlighted
That said,
The area is a haven for al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.Meanwhile, at least 13 soldiers died when hundreds of insurgents attacked a checkpoint near the Afghan border
Of course. So 5 women plus 4 kids plus 13 soldiers equals 22 dead vs. 16 insurgents (25-9).
| 470 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 22, 2011 10:16:43am |
re: #468 sattv4u2
Venison,, it’s the other white meat!!
//
Don’t know if you saw, but I posted the other day the (small) family of deer that had taken up residence in the far corner of my property for over the last year seemingly have moved on
Don’t know if this is a “family” or what. I don’t know if deer hang around and populate the same territory year after year… I do know we get small herds of 6 to 8 or so around here every year, summer or winter.
| 471 |
darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 10:18:01am |
All those Republicans who enjoyed egging people on to hassle Democrats over the Health Care Reform in 2009 are starting to get a taste of their own medicine.
| 472 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 22, 2011 10:20:56am |
re: #471 darthstar
he’s patient and respectful in answering
He even puts his hands by his sides and closes his mouth, looks directly at her while she intererupts him
Good Job, Mr. Meehan
| 473 |
lawhawk Fri, Apr 22, 2011 10:28:02am |
re: #466 Gus 802
Trying to get accurate information about airstrikes in the NWFP, Waziristan, or elsewhere in the frontier provinces is exceedingly difficult. The US doesn’t comment on those strikes generally, and the Pakistani government barely knows what is going on because they barely have any control over the region in the first place (which is why the frontier provinces are such a mess and haven for al Qaeda and Taliban) due to how the region was incorporated following Pakistan’s independence.
When you have unnamed sources making unverifiable claims, the truth is no one knows who was killed, how many were killed, and how many of those killed were Taliban or al Qaeda. We do know that al Qaeda and Taliban use human shields and aren’t above bringing their families along to encampments and meetings so that if they are hit by airstrikes, they are martyrs to their cause.
The whole situation in Pakistan and the frontier provinces reeks - and it’s one that stretches back decades.
| 474 |
McSpiff Fri, Apr 22, 2011 10:38:49am |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
God, I tried to watch that video but it’s too horrific. They beat her so bad she goes into seizures. I wish I hadn’t tried to watch that.
I wish I hadn’t read the Freak Republic comments about it…
| 475 |
RogueOne Fri, Apr 22, 2011 1:16:54pm |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
God, I tried to watch that video but it’s too horrific. They beat her so bad she goes into seizures. I wish I hadn’t tried to watch that.
One old lady tried to put a stop to it while a handful of men sat around not wanting to get involved.
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