American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer to Muslims: Convert to Christianity or Die

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Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association is the unrestrained id of today’s religious right wing. He has no hesitation about blurting out the things that most wingnuts believe, but would never say in public.

For example, yesterday on Fischer’s radio show: Muslims Should Either Convert To Christianity…Or Die.

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The only thing that will give us a shot at building a democracy in an Islamic land is a mass conversion of its people to biblical Christianity. So that means if we want to see freedom come to those darkened, benighted lands, we should be sending missionaries in right after we send in the Marines to neutralize whatever threat has been raised against the United States. So we say to them, look, if you don’t want our missionaries, fine, that’s your choice, we’ll take our missionaries and our Marines, we’ll take them home, but we’re gonna let you know we have no hesitation about returning with lethal force if the forces in your country threaten us again. This time it’s Marines and missionaries, next time it’ll be Marines and missiles.

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109 comments
1 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:31:10am

How is this any different from the incoherent ramblings of Al Qaeda or the Taliban?

2 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:31:20am

"Religion of Peace", lol >>

3 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:31:45am

He's right! Why didn't I order my wife to convert before we got married? Darn, now I may have to kill her.
///

4 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:32:12am

Bryan obviously doesn't know the Marines very well.

5 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:32:19am

re: #1 Lidane

It's not, of course. Fanatics are fanatics. Doesn't matter if you're Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Atheist, Communist, Objectivist, whatever. The problem is Fanatacism.

6 Winny Spencer  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:33:11am

re: #1 Lidane

How is this any different from the incoherent ramblings of Al Qaeda or the Taliban?

The fact that he hasn't actually carried out any terrorist attacks?

Not defending his statements, mind you.

7 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:33:39am

re: #6 Winny Spencer

maybe not personally, but the movement has >>

8 Merryweather  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:34:12am

This is no different than the shit Bin Laden's come out with about continuing his campaign of terror until the entire West submits to Islamic rule.

A pox on all these religious fanatics.

9 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:35:11am

I'm going to need more blood pressure meds, pronto.

10 Merryweather  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:35:24am

re: #6 Winny Spencer

The fact that he hasn't actually carried out any terrorist attacks?

Not defending his statements, mind you.

The words of fanatics like him caused the death of George Tiller.

11 elizajane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:36:07am

Actually it sounds a bit like Donald Trump's "economic policy" statements, but without the f-bombs. Maybe the two of them have been taking lessons in rhetoric from the same teacher.

12 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:36:20am

I vote for sending in the missionaries AHEAD of the Marines. Way to openly link the military with a religious objective. No wonder we are accused of launching crusades.

13 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:37:09am

Forcing people to convert is a funny introduction to democracy.

14 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:37:19am
a mass conversion of its people to biblical Christianity.

What religion did people observe in biblical times?

Oh yeah, Judaism...

15 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:37:39am

re: #12 imp_62

Well that, and you know, we actually called one of them one >>

16 theheat  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:37:50am

I'd walk hand in hand with Muslims in solidarity before I'd let that sanctimonious prick or any of his fundie followers convert them, me, or anyone else.

If anyone ever had any doubt who the enemy within is, look no further. It's right here in your face.

To all the fundamentalists that think you can steamroll the entire country into your mindset, you have another thing coming.

17 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:38:01am

re: #14 Alouette

What religion did people observe in biblical times?

Oh yeah, Judaism...

Too Jewish.

18 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:39:30am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

also biblical doesn't mean 'practiced between 1000 BC and 50 AD', silly ;)

19 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:41:34am

Forced conversion, dehumanization of non-Christians, threatened mass murder of non-believers, repudiation of the First Amendment. How many steps missing to the re-establishment of slavery?

20 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:41:35am

And nobody, I mean nobody practices "biblical Judaism" today. Because that came to an end after the destruction of the first Temple.

21 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:42:15am

re: #19 imp_62

Forced conversion, dehumanization of non-Christians, threatened mass murder of non-believers, repudiation of the First Amendment. How many steps missing to the re-establishment of slavery?

Before or after the stoning of adulteresses and not suffering a witch to live?

22 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:42:51am

re: #20 Alouette

And nobody, I mean nobody practices "biblical Judaism" today. Because that came to an end after the destruction of the first Temple.

Arguably, we have no idea what "Biblical" Judaism looked like, given the frequent dispersion of the tribes, and the ongoing loss of various key documents in caves and diasporas.

23 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:43:30am

re: #21 Alouette

Before or after the stoning of adulteresses and not suffering a witch to live?

You make it sound so awful, but it makes for very arresting television.

24 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:43:45am

can someone tell me what "biblical Christianity" is?

25 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:44:40am

Bryan Fischer speaks with the fiery passion of someone who has led a sheltered pampered existence his whole life, without actually risking his own neck or interacting with those he so blithely prescribes cleansing in a Puritanical crusade. The man is a ridiculous crank who should be mocked and shunned and anyone who treats him seriously deserves the same treatment.

26 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:45:35am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

can someone tell me what "biblical Christianity" is?

Not sure, but we can discuss it at the next neighbourhood auto-da-fė.

27 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:45:43am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

can someone tell me what "biblical Christianity" is?

I think it involves boning your relatives, if I'm reading that whole begat portion correctly.

I could be wrong.

28 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:46:28am

re: #26 imp_62

Not sure, but we can discuss it at the next neighbourhood auto-da-fė.

Auto-da-fe? Whats an auto-da-fe?

29 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:47:32am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

can someone tell me what "biblical Christianity" is?

It would look exactly like Saudi Arabia, but with fundamentalist Christianity driving things instead of Wahhabism. (sp?)

30 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:47:52am

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Auto-da-fe? Whats an auto-da-fe?

It's what God fearing folk did before drive in movies:
[Link: lmgtfy.com...]

31 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:48:10am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

No gays
No sex outside marriage
No Abortion (its in Matthew!)
No other religions (Jews are kind of allowed)
A woman's place is to submit to her husband (kinky!)

That's the super short version.

32 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:48:28am

re: #20 Alouette

We just try to do the best we can... because that's all we can do. Try to live a righteous life, do right by G-d, friends, family, associates, and everyone else we interact with - and G-d will judge us on our deeds. That's between us and Him.

Sanctimonious prigs like Fischer think that they know better what He wants.

33 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:49:18am

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bryan Fischer speaks with the fiery passion of someone who has led a sheltered pampered existence his whole life, without actually risking his own neck or interacting with those he so blithely prescribes cleansing in a Puritanical crusade. The man is a ridiculous crank who should be mocked and shunned and anyone who treats him seriously deserves the same treatment.

Strap a Bible and a parachute to that sucker and drop him over Yemeni tribal homelands. Actually, his belief should be strong enough that he doesn't need the 'chute.

34 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:49:36am

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Auto-da-fe? Whats an auto-da-fe?

It's what you ought n't do, but you do anyway...

35 theheat  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:50:14am

OT - you know there's a stair lift (presumably most often used for the elderly) called the ACORN stair lift? Just caugvht the commercial on TV.

I imagine all these pissed off people that bought in to "death panels" and "keep the government out of my Medicaid!" having to call someplace called Acorn for their stair lift.

I dunno, it just struck me as funny.

36 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:50:22am

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Auto-da-fe? Whats an auto-da-fe?

Assuming you're serious, here's the wikilink. The short version is it's the endpoint of a trial by the Spanish Inquisition, usually involving a big bonfire.

37 garhighway  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:50:30am

Shit like this gets our soldiers killed.

38 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:50:41am

re: #30 imp_62

It's what God fearing folk did before drive in movies:
[Link: lmgtfy.com...]

Aw, you messed it up. Its from Mel Brooks "History of the World."

39 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:51:47am

A ridiculous old man with no authority threatening a Marine invasion.
What a dick.

40 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:51:48am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aw, you messed it up. Its from Mel Brooks "History of the World."

Oh, sorry! I haven't seen that in years- my bad O_0
I should have known better; I was surprised by your comment. Sanctimonious bastard that I am...

41 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:52:28am

Hey Torquemada, What do you say?
I just got back from the auto-da-fe.
Auto-da-fe? Whats the auto-da-fe?
Its what you ought to not to do but you do anyway.

42 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:53:04am

re: #33 imp_62

Strap a Bible and a parachute to that sucker and drop him over Yemeni tribal homelands. Actually, his belief should be strong enough that he doesn't need the 'chute.

Challenge accepted.

43 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:53:15am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

can someone tell me what "biblical Christianity" is?

That's the good old invasive kind.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:53:40am

re: #1 Lidane

How is this any different from the incoherent ramblings of Al Qaeda or the Taliban?

Well, on the one hand, we actually have the wherewithal to invade a country, and they don't.

OTOH, we won't do it, and they really do want to.

In balance, I think that Bryan Fischer should be mailed to Helmand Province to do more research.

45 hellosnackbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:54:38am

So a forced movement from Mein Koranmf to the Holey Babble.
Is that progress?

46 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:54:41am

re: #34 lawhawk

It's what you ought n't do, but you do anyway...

Thanks, I knew someone would catch it.

47 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:54:56am

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Challenge accepted.

In tonight's Minute to Win It, Mr Fischer has one minute to exit the aircraft form 12000 feet, reach the ground, and convert at least ten heathens.

48 mikefromArlington  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:55:16am

"conversion of its people to biblical Christianity."

Teva's and toga party costume distributers are going to make a killing.

49 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:55:49am

This time it’s Marines and missionaries, next time it’ll be Marines and missiles.

weak people like to issue threats in Command Voice

50 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:55:55am

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

In balance, I think that Bryan Fischer should be mailed to Helmand Province to do more research.

He's a leader! Leaders don't actually do things... its how they stay morally in the clear ;)

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:56:16am

re: #6 Winny Spencer

The fact that he hasn't actually carried out any terrorist attacks?

Not defending his statements, mind you.

"And it's not that he didn't want to rape the environment and exploit the workers! I'm sure he did! It's just that working as a barber, he didn't have all that much opportunity!!"

52 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:57:43am

You know, looking at it, he kind of has Televangelist hair. Which I guess shouldn't be a surprise.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:58:08am

re: #20 Alouette

And nobody, I mean nobody practices "biblical Judaism" today. Because that came to an end after the destruction of the first Temple.

Yes, but after Bryan Fischer rebuilds the Temple, we can restore the whole shebang, and he can be the cohen gadol.

//Lightning don't strike I was just kidding lightning don't strike I was just kidding...

54 S'latch  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:58:23am

"if you don’t want our missionaries . . . next time it’ll be Marines and missiles." Sounds more like "missionaries or die." But, either way, I probably would choose death.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:58:40am

re: #22 imp_62

Arguably, we have no idea what "Biblical" Judaism looked like, given the frequent dispersion of the tribes, and the ongoing loss of various key documents in caves and diasporas.

We have SOME idea, just not a perfect picture.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:59:00am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

can someone tell me what "biblical Christianity" is?

The kind of Christianity practiced by Bryan Fischer.

57 mikefromArlington  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:59:31am

OT but this is kinda LOL....the birther response to the birth cert.

Image: OBAMAS-BIRTH-CERTIFICATE.jpg

58 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:00:34pm

How about a compromise?

If Bryan promises to personally lead the missionaries over, we'll pull out the Marines. That works nicely for everyone I think.

59 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:01:01pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

The kind of Christianity practiced by Bryan Fischer.

Does he wear a blue thread on the corner of his garments? Does he refrain from cutting the corners of his beard? Does he love his neighbor as himself?

So, no.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:01:42pm

re: #39 jaunte

A ridiculous old man with no authority threatening a Marine invasion.
What a dick.

Same ridiculous old man who thinks the Medal of Honor has been 'feminized' by the likes of Salvatore Giunta.

But seriously, this leads to a significant question. Apparently we won't have to kill the Muslims if they become Christians. Is it OK to allow grizzly bears to live if THEY become Christians?

61 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:01:51pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

The kind of Christianity practiced by Bryan Fischer.

He needs to practice harder, because right now, he just isn't getting it.

62 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:02:11pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

We have SOME idea, just not a perfect picture.

I would call the picture highly imperfect. IMHO, Jews from the time of the first Temple would have a hard time recognizing mainstream orthodox Judaism today. Much like the difficulty in ascertaining that the Felashas were, in fact, practising a form of Judaism. We are far too Euro-centric in our assumptions regarding ancient Jewish rites.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:04:04pm

re: #47 imp_62

In tonight's Minute to Win It, Mr Fischer has one minute to exit the aircraft form 12000 feet, reach the ground, and convert at least ten heathens.

This used to be easier before the heathen had RPGs.

64 shutdown  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:04:50pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

This used to be easier before the heathen had RPGs.

Which, cleverly, the CIA gave them to combat the evil Rooskies.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:05:10pm

re: #48 mikefromArlington

"conversion of its people to biblical Christianity."

Teva's and toga party costume distributers are going to make a killing.

There's actually a very good passage in The Screwtape Letters about why new Christians fall away from the church, which has in part to do with the idea that their heads are full of images of serious holy people in sandals and togas, and it's a shock to discover that Christians are just boring and regular like oneself.

66 dragonfire1981  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:05:25pm

Let me make sure I understand: Muslims are satanic dogs when they suggest something like this but Christians are loving and patriotic. Yeah that makes perfect sense...

67 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:06:03pm

I am going to say it and I know it may sound ugly but Bryan Fischer is really no different in rhetoric than Al Queda, Hamas, or the Taliban.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:08:45pm

re: #54 Lawrence Schmerel

"if you don’t want our missionaries . . . next time it’ll be Marines and missiles." Sounds more like "missionaries or die." But, either way, I probably would choose death.

Of course, the experience of, say, the Moriscos, suggests that we wouldn't accept them as REAL Christians, and would have to be constantly investigating them and making them eat ham sandwiches just to check.

69 MarkAM  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:09:22pm

Actually, I think Bryan Fischer may be an Al Qaeda operative. . .Manchurian Candidate anyone?

Half-joking here in that comments like these are great propaganda fodder, even if that's no the intention.

re: #67 HappyWarrior

I am going to say it and I know it may sound ugly but Bryan Fischer is really no different in rhetoric than Al Queda, Hamas, or the Taliban.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:10:14pm

re: #59 Alouette

Does he wear a blue thread on the corner of his garments? Does he refrain from cutting the corners of his beard? Does he love his neighbor as himself?

So, no.

Remember, he's including the Gospels. He's also including the entire history of modern Protestantism, but he doesn't take that into account.

71 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:10:55pm

re: #69 MarkAM

Actually, I think Bryan Fischer may be an Al Qaeda operative. . .Manchurian Candidate anyone?

Half-joking here in that comments like these are great propaganda fodder, even if that's no the intention.

I am just frustrated. This guy constantly degrades Muslims for being violent and then he basically suggests that if you don't convert to Christianity, we'll bring in the Marines. Fuck that.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:11:37pm

re: #62 imp_62

I would call the picture highly imperfect. IMHO, Jews from the time of the first Temple would have a hard time recognizing mainstream orthodox Judaism today. Much like the difficulty in ascertaining that the Felashas were, in fact, practising a form of Judaism. We are far too Euro-centric in our assumptions regarding ancient Jewish rites.

Well, rabbinic Judaism is certainly at some considerable remove from the practice of the First Temple period, yes.

But we do know, from text and archaelogical evidence, quite a bit about what they did and how they did it.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:12:47pm

re: #66 dragonfire1981

Let me make sure I understand: Muslims are satanic dogs when they suggest something like this but Christians are loving and patriotic. Yeah that makes perfect sense...

Well sure, and the opposite is true if you're batting for the other team. Only the people who are truly following the word of God get to do horrible things in God's name, and that is always you. Whoever you are.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:13:20pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

I am going to say it and I know it may sound ugly but Bryan Fischer is really no different in rhetoric than Al Queda, Hamas, or the Taliban.

He is, thank God, much more under control. The rule of law is a wonderful thing.

75 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:14:34pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

He is, thank God, much more under control. The rule of law is a wonderful thing.

I'd drink to that but creeping Shariah ;). Really, seperation of church and state is really a wonderful thing. It keeps guys like Fischer, Father Coughlin, and others from having true power.

76 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:16:58pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

He is, thank God, much more under control. The rule of law is a wonderful thing.

Stupid, non-biblical rule of law. What we need are councils led by ordained Pastors to set down the laws of the land, so we won't need to worry about Sharia creeping in.

77 Nevertires  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:18:08pm

I think these ass-hats should gather up their gold (and flock) and purchase a little territory somewhere where they can live 100% biblically - why pick and choose? They would then be able to dream of the far-off day when they will have leeches to treat themselves.

Its amazing that we live in the same world as these fools.

78 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:19:52pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I'd drink to that but creeping Shariah ;). Really, seperation of church and state is really a wonderful thing. It keeps guys like Fischer, Father Coughlin, and others from having true power.

You haven't noticed the creeping Christianity lately? Seems to me that they already have a lot of power.

79 CarleeCork  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:20:10pm

re: #77 Nevertires

I think these ass-hats should gather up their gold (and flock) and purchase a little territory somewhere where they can live 100% biblically - why pick and choose? They would then be able to dream of the far-off day when they will have leeches to treat themselves.

Its amazing that we live in the same world as these fools.


How about Alaska? They can appoint Ms. Palin as their leader.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:20:56pm

re: #79 CarleeCork

How about Alaska? They can appoint Ms. Palin as their leader.

Would that be biblical?

81 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:22:25pm

re: #79 CarleeCork

Montana is where they usually go...

But it's been tried a few times, usually does NOT work out well.

82 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:25:55pm

re: #81 windsagio

Montana is where they usually go...

But it's been tried a few times, usually does NOT work out well.

I don't know about that. Many Mormons might disagree with you.

83 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:26:31pm

Come and get me, you fascist asshole. I believe your status in Hell is determined by the size of the honor guard you take with you.

84 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:27:03pm

re: #82 Naso Tang

Touche' :p

85 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:32:24pm

re: #31 windsagio

No gays
No sex outside marriage
No Abortion (its in Matthew!)
No other religions (Jews are kind of allowed)
A woman's place is to submit to her husband (kinky!)

That's the super short version.

Then I must be a Biblical Christian because my wife submits to me.

Does it mention cuffs and floggers in The Bible?

/

86 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:33:46pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember, he's including the Gospels. He's also including the entire history of modern Protestantism, but he doesn't take that into account.

That reminds me. A couple of weeks ago a guy came from the tow yard to take away the wrecked car from the driveway. He was an evangelical who got into quite the lengthy chit chat with Zedushka about Scripture. He was totally shocked to learn that Jews do not use the KJV, and that the Gospels are not part of the Hebrew scriptural canon.

Zedushka, for his part, was surprised that this scary-looking, tattooed biker dude was really very intelligent and sincere. They had a very interesting and mutually respectful conversation, stereotypes blown on both sides.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:34:18pm

re: #85 Romantic Heretic

Then I must be a Biblical Christian because my wife submits to me.

Does it mention cuffs and floggers in The Bible?

/

No, at least not in the context of matrimony, but there is a branch of Christian BDSM types who have attached their play preferences to the submission of the wife concept.

I have no idea what Christian couples with a male sub do, unless, as seems reasonable, they figure that making your husband happy is part of a good marriage.

88 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:35:04pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

No, at least not in the context of matrimony, but there is a branch of Christian BDSM types who have attached their play preferences to the submission of the wife concept.

I have no idea what Christian couples with a male sub do, unless, as seems reasonable, they figure that making your husband happy is part of a good marriage.

That Christian BDSM website was a spoof.

89 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:36:23pm

re: #85 Romantic Heretic

Damn I forgot 'no non-procreation sex at all', I guess bondage play could count under that, but it'd be tricky.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:38:27pm

re: #88 Alouette

That Christian BDSM website was a spoof.

The funny one? Yeah, but there are Christian BDSMers out there. We had some posting on a forum I used to read.

91 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:40:19pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

The funny one? Yeah, but there are Christian BDSMers out there. We had some posting on a forum I used to read.

Anybody can be anything on Teh Intertubes.

92 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:41:36pm

And of course this is completely evil and exactly the same as any evil militant.

It is our own Taliban.

The key to America is to respect the rights of others. respect is a two way street.

I'm sure that will shock some that I say that and have always said such.

What do you think I mean by respect being a two way street?

A church has a right to be a church, a mosque a mosque and a synagogue a synagogue provided that no one goes and tries to force that on anyone else or impinge on anyone else's rights. Freedom of religion means freedom from the imposition of religion by others first and foremost.

What makes America strong and vibrant religiously is that we have usually understood that principle.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:42:22pm

re: #91 Alouette

Anybody can be anything on Teh Intertubes.

True. I myself am really a retired evangelical trucker who lives up by Twain Hart, I just impersonate a Jewish schoolteacher from the heathen Bay Area online.

:)

94 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:43:19pm

re: #5 windsagio

It's not, of course. Fanatics are fanatics. Doesn't matter if you're Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Atheist, Communist, Objectivist, whatever. The problem is Fanatacism.

There are those who see the "Clash of Cultures" as Christianity vs Islam.

But idjits like this remind us that the clash is between enlightenment and fundamentalism.

95 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:43:28pm

re: #89 windsagio

Damn I forgot 'no non-procreation sex at all', I guess bondage play could count under that, but it'd be tricky.

Well, if there's one thing we humans are good at, it's twisting the rules in our favor so I guess we'll find a way.

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:44:09pm
The only thing that will give us a shot at building a democracy in an Islamic land is a mass conversion of its people to biblical Christianity.

C'mon dude. You gotta know there is nothing remotely approaching a democracy in "biblical Christianity".

97 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:44:43pm

re: #89 windsagio

Damn I forgot 'no non-procreation sex at all', I guess bondage play could count under that, but it'd be tricky.

Gosh, even I have had non-procreation sex. But I am totally not into that BDSM stuff. Zedushka sometimes begs me to whip him, but I refuse.

98 I Am Kreniigh!  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:47:50pm

re: #5 windsagio

It's not, of course. Fanatics are fanatics. Doesn't matter if you're Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Atheist, Communist, Objectivist, whatever. The problem is Fanatacism.

In the Illuminati card game, the alignments are all in pairs (Liberal/Conservative, Straight/Weird) except for 2: Criminal has no opposite, and Fanatic is the opposite of Fanatic.

99 dragonfire1981  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:58:23pm

It just occurred to me that sending in missionaries with marines would be highly improper as the US has no official religion.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:01:43pm

re: #97 Alouette

Gosh, even I have had non-procreation sex. But I am totally not into that BDSM stuff. Zedushka sometimes begs me to whip him, but I refuse.

Well, you know what they say...a sadist is someone who won't hit a masochist.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:02:16pm

re: #99 dragonfire1981

It just occurred to me that sending in missionaries with marines would be highly improper as the US has no official religion.

Well, that's ONE reason it would be highly improper.

102 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:04:17pm

re: #98 Kreniigh

In the Illuminati card game, the alignments are all in pairs (Liberal/Conservative, Straight/Weird) except for 2: Criminal has no opposite, and Fanatic is the opposite of Fanatic.

OK that is goddamn awesome. You win sir!

103 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:29:55pm

re: #99 dragonfire1981

It just occurred to me that sending in missionaries with marines would be highly improper as the US has no official religion.

Oh, yeah, that.

104 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:48:43pm

The idea that Christianity was instrumental in installing democracy is a very old canard. The idea that in order to install democracy in an Islamic country you need to convert it to Christianity first is nothing else but religious supremacism. Also, Turkey, etc.

105 John Vreeland  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:20:00pm

Because there are oh, so many democracies in the Bible. Moses was the first prime minister, elected by God.

106 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:10:51pm

re: #1 Lidane

How is this any different from the incoherent ramblings of Al Qaeda or the Taliban?

My immediate reaction as well.

107 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:09:50pm
108 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:13:02pm

Cough.

109 terraincognita  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 1:12:16am

The Republicans need to take a severe left hand turn from these crazies immediately. Between the ultra religious right and the uber tea baggers, they are, bit by bit, destroying this party. Hopefully, they will see the light after this birther fiasco and get sane.


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