For a change of pace from the nasty details of Anthony Weiner’s creepy “sexting” and Andrew Breitbart’s creepy lies, here’s a simply gorgeous video released today by NASA, shot by astronauts aboard a Soyuz spacecraft that had just undocked from the International Space Station.
Looks so nice and clean up there.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:30:57pm |
What Have We Done For You Lately?
NASA Connections to Everyday Life
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Chrysicat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:31:04pm |
This country's going to miss those shuttles...
I still can't believe that we first went all the way back to capsules and then even abandoned those...
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:32:26pm |
I would have seen this ship launch but they delayed it... twice...
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:34:37pm |
re: #4 Killgore Trout
In space nobody can hear Weenier's penis.
Nor can we hear people whining about the wiener.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:34:41pm |
re: #4 Killgore Trout
Great. Now you have me thinking of Alien insemination and gestation in a way that's grosser than portrayed in the movies. Thanks, dude.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:35:41pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:37:30pm |
re: #8 jamesfirecat
Now you have me thinking of Peter Graves in "Airplane!".
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:37:44pm |
OT: Obama taking a nose dive... here comes Romney!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:38:19pm |
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Chrysicat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:38:33pm |
re: #10 Alaska Kim
OT: Obama taking a nose dive... here comes Romney!
Thank heaven he's un-nominateable, then?
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:39:21pm |
re: #12 Chrysicat
He's nominateable, especially if he picks an astoundingly derpy VP.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:39:47pm |
re: #10 Alaska Kim
OT: Obama taking a nose dive... here comes Romney!
So how do you feel about the fact that Romney is pro-choice, and accepts the reality of evolution and climate change?
And that Obamacare system he signed into law in Massachusetts -- I assume you're fine with that too?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:40:54pm |
re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth
What Have We Done For You Lately?
NASA Connections to Everyday Life
Also: Apollo's Contributions to America
(Not just America, obviously.)
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:41:42pm |
re: #10 Alaska Kim
OT: Obama taking a nose dive... here comes Romney!
What?
What closet have you been hiding in?
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:42:02pm |
re: #10 Alaska Kim
OT: Obama taking a nose dive... here comes Romney!
Are you a "Reagan Conservative?" If so, you're one of the millions he used to get elected twice.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:42:05pm |
re: #10 Alaska Kim
OT: Obama taking a nose dive... here comes Romney!
Prices at my nearby gas station dropped 3 cents per gallon between today and Monday. HOLY SHIT, GAS PRICES PLUMMET!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:42:10pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:42:17pm |
Romney is another meatball in a kettle full of meatballs stewing away...he's nothing special...but I admit, I'm unfamiliar with his shoes
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:42:53pm |
re: #17 negativ
Thanks for that awesome link. I love that kind of stuff, and steam comes out of my ears every time I hear people lament "wasting" tax dollars on NASA and space exploration.
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SidewaysQuark Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:42:55pm |
I foresee a time again in the not-so-distant future where the world's largest "Communist" nation will once again take the lead in the space race.
Only this time, I doubt most Americans will care, in their apathy and laziness and preoccupation of the Hollywood diva of the week.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:44:00pm |
re: #14 Charles
climate change IS a reality. I live in Alaska, and that fact is more visible here than anywhere.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:44:11pm |
Why did this Kim tool even mention that his troll blast was "off topic?" Hmmm, look at this awesome satellite pho...ROMNEY KICKING OBAMA'S ASS IN THE POLLS!!!11TY!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:44:21pm |
re: #21 jamesfirecat
Based on what poll?
based on the poll of public opinion BO needs to find some new economy rabbits to pull out of his sleeve...his double talk lately is not gonna get it
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:44:28pm |
re: #24 SidewaysQuark
I foresee a time again in the not-so-distant future where the world's largest "Communist" nation will once again take the lead in the space race.
Only this time, I doubt most Americans will care, in their apathy and laziness and preoccupation of the Hollywood diva of the week.
China has already stated its goals.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:45:20pm |
re: #21 jamesfirecat
Based on what poll?
No poll. It comes from a series of thoughts, images, and emotions occurring during sleep. What we know as "dreaming".
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:45:22pm |
re: #26 Kid A
Why did this Kim tool even mention that his troll blast was "off topic?" Hmmm, look at this awesome satellite pho...ROMNEY KICKING OBAMA'S ASS IN THE POLLS!!!11TY!
why doesn't this KidA tool ask her?
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:45:31pm |
re: #19 Kid A
yes, I'm a Reagan Conservative and proud of it.
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blueraven Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:45:52pm |
re: #10 Alaska Kim
OT: Obama taking a nose dive... here comes Romney!
Not so fast dear.
[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]
June 8, 2011
TREND: If the 2012 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were, Barack Obama the Democrat and Mitt Romney the Republican for whom would you vote?
Jun 08 Nov 22
2011 2010
Obama 47 44
Romney 41 45
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:46:12pm |
re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth
No poll. It comes from a series of thoughts, images, and emotions occurring during sleep. What we know as "dreaming".
it was good enough for MLK
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:46:17pm |
re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth
Great. Now you have me thinking of Alien insemination and gestation in a way that's grosser than portrayed in the movies. Thanks, dude.
You're welcome.
;)
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:46:35pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:47:53pm |
re: #24 SidewaysQuark
I foresee a time again in the not-so-distant future where the world's largest "Communist" nation will once again take the lead in the space race.
Only this time, I doubt most Americans will care, in their apathy and laziness and preoccupation of the Hollywood diva of the week.
I bring this up with the NASA hater in my family, and the response I commonly get is "Let them".
:sigh:
For some, being a world leader in science and industry is no where near as important as being a world leader in pimping baby Jebus.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:48:17pm |
oh my...I sense a bitter, bitter fight coming on...I'm pouring a double for this historic event
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:48:37pm |
re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth
I bring this up with the NASA hater in my family, and the response I commonly get is "Let them".
:sigh:
For some, being a world leader in science and industry is no where near as important as being a world leader in pimping baby Jebus.
NASA hater? Really??!!
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:49:12pm |
re: #31 Alaska Kim
yes, I'm a Reagan Conservative and proud of it.
Why would you be proud?
I'm proud I can think in a straight line, and I can put together a coherent walk, but I don't pride myself on things others have done, developed or thought about.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:49:44pm |
re: #37 albusteve
oh my...I sense a bitter, bitter fight coming on...I'm pouring a double for this historic event
'historic event'? they jump my a$$ every time I show up here!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:50:09pm |
re: #39 b_sharp
Why would you be proud?
I'm proud I can think in a straight line, and I can put together a coherent walk, but I don't pride myself on things others have done, developed or thought about.
we need to find some proud BO liberals and kick their ass...who's with me!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:50:23pm |
re: #38 Kid A
NASA hater? Really??!!
I guess hater is too strong of a word. Just another one of those folks who lament "wasting" tax dollars on NASA and space exploration.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:50:48pm |
re: #25 Alaska Kim
climate change IS a reality. I live in Alaska, and that fact is more visible here than anywhere.
So how do you feel about evolution?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:50:49pm |
re: #40 Alaska Kim
'historic event'? they jump my a$$ every time I show up here!
they are bored from repeating themselves in agreement all day
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:51:00pm |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
I guess hater is too strong of a word. Just another one of those folks who lament "wasting" tax dollars on NASA and space exploration.
What has science ever done for us?!?!
TV off.
-Moe
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:51:23pm |
re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth
I bring this up with the NASA hater in my family, and the response I commonly get is "Let them".
:sigh:
For some, being a world leader in science and industry is no where near as important as being a world leader in pimping baby Jebus.
How can someone hate NASA? Think of all the innovations developed by NASA that we use every day. Like Tang.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:52:00pm |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
I guess hater is too strong of a word. Just another one of those folks who lament "wasting" tax dollars on NASA and space exploration.
Oh, I understood what you meant. I just can't wrap my mind around how people would think that space exploration is a waste of time. Could it be because they fear it may "disprove" their belief in a higher being?
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:52:16pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:52:52pm |
re: #48 Alaska Kim
Well, you sure convinced me.
/
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:52:53pm |
re: #40 Alaska Kim
'historic event'? they jump my a$$ every time I show up here!
But have you even been imPalined?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:52:55pm |
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:53:27pm |
re: #41 albusteve
we need to find some proud BO liberals and kick their ass...who's with me!
Let me go find my shitkickers.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:53:34pm |
re: #24 SidewaysQuark
I foresee a time again in the not-so-distant future where the world's largest "Communist" nation will once again take the lead in the space race.
Only this time, I doubt most Americans will care, in their apathy and laziness and preoccupation of the Hollywood diva of the week.
Not to mention Tea Party "tenthers" who will screaming that there is nothing in the Constitution about fundung space travel.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:53:58pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:54:16pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:54:16pm |
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:54:21pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:54:36pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:54:40pm |
re: #54 celticdragon
Not to mention Tea Party "tenthers" who will screaming that there is nothing in the Constitution about fundung space travel.
Freaking E.L.Es.
How do they work?!
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:54:58pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:55:19pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:55:31pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:55:34pm |
re: #47 Kid A
Oh, I understood what you meant. I just can't wrap my mind around how people would think that space exploration is a waste of time. Could it be because they fear it may "disprove" their belief in a higher being?
It's all a waste, you see. Our sun will never burn out, nor will a meteor threaten us, nor will we ever need to search for a new planetary home in any event, because only Gawd can judge the earth, and baby Jebus will descend upon it and we shall all live happily ever after.
/
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:55:52pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:56:10pm |
re: #61 b_sharp
Bitchin' Science.
Word man.
to me, the apex of science is the gas burning internal combustion engine
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:56:50pm |
re: #63 albusteve
be careful...I will turn on you in a heartbeat if I feel like it
You can spin with the best of them.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:57:22pm |
re: #56 Charles
Do you also believe the earth is only 6,000 years old?
why are you asking me these stupid questions? i've been around here long enough that you should know me.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:57:22pm |
re: #48 Alaska Kim
it's b.s.
So all those fossils that start showing up in the Cambrian Explosion are just God's way of tricking us. Not to mention that we can verify that 99% of all the species that have existed oin Earth are now extinct.
So tens of thousands of feet of geologic rock record and billions of fossils all happened in, what...6,000 years?
You tell me.
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zora Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:57:55pm |
i read somewhere that only about 40% of americans believe in evolution. kim is not an anomaly.
anecdotally that number matches up to the people i know personally.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:58:21pm |
re: #69 albusteve
to me, the apex of science is the gas burning internal combustion engine
One word says it all: Jet fuel.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:58:27pm |
re: #70 b_sharp
You can spin with the best of them.
when my snark is bipartisan, then I know everybody hates me...I don't have to think about that part of it
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:58:37pm |
re: #74 zora
i read somewhere that only about 40% of americans believe in evolution. kim is not an anomaly.
anecdotally that number matches up to the people i know personally.
You know 40% of Americans?!?/
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:58:39pm |
re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth
It's all a waste, you see. Our sun will never burn out, nor will a meteor threaten us, nor will we ever need to search for a new planetary home in any event, because only Gawd can judge the earth, and baby Jebus will descend upon it and we shall all live happily ever after.
/
Exactly. And, you see, those dinosaurs? It was all a konspiracy just like man-made global warming. Because, we all know that liberals want to bring this country to her knees because "the liberal" hates capitalism.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:58:41pm |
re: #71 Alaska Kim
why are you asking me these stupid questions? i've been around here long enough that you should know me.
I'm just curious. Since you think evolution is "b.s." I'd like to know where you stand on the age of the Earth.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:59:01pm |
re: #66 goddamnedfrank
You're just falling for the international conspiracy secretly perpetrated by billions of people over the course of 150 plus years, all for the purpose of tricking us into not believing in Allah.
/
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:59:21pm |
re: #81 Slumbering Behemoth
You're just falling for the international conspiracy secretly perpetrated by billions of people over the course of 150 plus years, all for the purpose of tricking us into not believing in Allah.
/
Odin you twit.
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Chrysicat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:59:49pm |
re: #75 b_sharp
THAT one we're really gonna miss when we run out of petroleum...jet power is the only way to move people or goods around any faster than about 350 mph...
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:59:54pm |
re: #71 Alaska Kim
why are you asking me these stupid questions? i've been around here long enough that you should know me.
Here's a serious question then, what do you make of this...
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Romney is six points behind Obama... why do you see Obama as taking a nose dive?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:59:56pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:00:44pm |
re: #79 Charles
I'm just curious. Since you think evolution is "b.s." I'd like to know where you stand on the age of the Earth.
God created Earth.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:00:58pm |
re: #27 albusteve
based on the poll of public opinion BO needs to find some new economy rabbits to pull out of his sleeve...his double talk lately is not gonna get it
Indeed. His doubletalk is somewhat lacking.
His opposition's double talk is far more exciting and comes in a variety of social-issue based scents, and their economy rabbits have magic racing stripes that lets them violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. To think one could by such wonderous things out the back of wagon that follows the tent revivals....
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:01:06pm |
re: #27 albusteve
based on the poll of public opinion BO needs to find some new economy rabbits to pull out of his sleeve...his double talk lately is not gonna get it
He has two and half undeclared wars he can stop with the stroke of a pen. That should provide most of the monthly surprises he needs.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:01:09pm |
re: #72 celticdragon
So all those fossils that start showing up in the Cambrian Explosion are just God's way of tricking us. Not to mention that we can verify that 99% of all the species that have existed oin Earth are now extinct.
So tens of thousands of feet of geologic rock record and billions of fossils all happened in, what...6,000 years?
You tell me.
There are no fossils in the Precambrian, so all those completely opposite body plans just poofed into existence at the beginning of the Cambrian.
(Don't tell anyone, but the start of the Cambrian keeps getting pushed back as we find fossils of soft bodies in the Precambrian)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:01:16pm |
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:01:28pm |
re: #71 Alaska Kim
why are you asking me these stupid questions? i've been around here long enough that you should know me.
Still waiting on your "Reagan Conservative" defintion.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:01:41pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:01:44pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:01:59pm |
re: #87 Alaska Kim
God created Earth.
why won't he answer my calls?...I have issues and he put me on eternal hold
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:02:26pm |
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zora Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:02:50pm |
re: #95 albusteve
try the main line. although, you may be on the "do not call" list.
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:03:40pm |
re: #74 zora
i read somewhere that only about 40% of americans believe in evolution. kim is not an anomaly.
anecdotally that number matches up to the people i know personally.
Idiots abound.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:03:41pm |
re: #90 b_sharp
There are no fossils in the Precambrian, so all those completely opposite body plans just poofed into existence at the beginning of the Cambrian.
(Don't tell anyone, but the start of the Cambrian keeps getting pushed back as we find fossils of soft bodies in the Precambrian)
There are some weird soft bodied things that show up along with stramatolites in Pre-Cambrian sediments, but most of them are utterly unclassifiable.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:03:43pm |
re: #87 Alaska Kim
God created Earth.
Is it true that when God created a man, that he took one of Adam's ribs and created woman?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:04:19pm |
re: #89 Decatur Deb
He has two and half undeclared wars he can stop with the stroke of a pen. That should provide most of the monthly surprises he needs.
yup...shout it
I'm very anti Afghanistan....the 101st Airborne got knocked around too easily this past year....worst casualties since Viet Nam
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:04:31pm |
re: #87 Alaska Kim
God created Earth.
Man created god.
And just to prove we're really good at it we created a shit load of them.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:04:32pm |
re: #102 Kid A
Is it true that when God created a man, that he took one of Adam's ribs and created woman?
Dirt Man and Rib Woman!
*Insert 60s Batman theme here*
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:04:41pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:04:55pm |
re: #92 Kid A
Still waiting on your "Reagan Conservative" defintion.
a smaller, less intrusive government... less taxes...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:05:11pm |
Atheism: The arrogant belief that the entire universe was not created for our benefit.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:05:37pm |
re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth
Atheism: The arrogant belief that the entire universe was not created for our benefit.
Lol.
So true.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:05:39pm |
re: #87 Alaska Kim
God created Earth.
And what about that Noah and the Ark thing? How did he get very species - male and female! - onto that big boat? I mean he was close to what, 800 years old? The earth is pretty big for one old man to gather all the species on earth, don't ya think?
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:05:45pm |
re: #89 Decatur Deb
He has two and half undeclared wars he can stop with the stroke of a pen. That should provide most of the monthly surprises he needs.
He can't even stop Two and a Half Men.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:06:08pm |
re: #98 zora
try the main line. although, you may be on the "do not call" list.
yeah, he knows I'm pissed...what a sissy
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:06:40pm |
re: #107 Alaska Kim
a smaller, less intrusive government... less taxes...
Yep. Reagan believed in all of that!!!
///
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:06:43pm |
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:07:07pm |
re: #84 jamesfirecat
Here's a serious question then, what do you make of this...
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Romney is six points behind Obama... why do you see Obama as taking a nose dive?
Reader of right wing blogs. You know, the lies that perpetuate. It's amazing that we educated folks (yes we are not illiterate, and we have this thing in front of us, the computer) are so fucking gullible.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:07:17pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:07:22pm |
re: #102 Kid A
Is it true that when God created a man, that he took one of Adam's ribs and created woman?
read the Bible, genius.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:08:01pm |
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zora Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:08:01pm |
re: #100 Stanley Sea
that's harsh. lots of religions have their own creation story. in some instances people believe these stories are literal. i have no problem with young earthers in general. just the ones who want to act as though these beliefs are actually science and want it taught as such.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:08:22pm |
re: #107 Alaska Kim
a smaller, less intrusive government... less taxes...
Hmmm... Less intrusive? How about that big debt he ran up in eight years? You don't find that intrusive to your standard of living?
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:09:04pm |
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zora Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:09:07pm |
re: #102 Kid A
Is it true that when God created a man, that he took one of Adam's ribs and created woman?
God went down to Eden to see how Adam was getting on.
"What do you think of life Adam"said God.
"Well"said Adam"It's quite hard work and a little boring and,well,just a little lonely too".
"Don't worry"declared God"I've been working on a solution to all these problems.I'm going to create a Woman.She'll wash and cook for you and she'll have sex with you whenever you want.Infact she'll do everything you can imagine".
"That sounds great" said Adam"but how much will this Woman cost me?"
"I was thinking an arm and a leg" answered God
"That sounds a bit steep what can I get for a rib"
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:09:18pm |
re: #111 Kid A
And what about that Noah and the Ark thing? How did he get very species - male and female! - onto that big boat? I mean he was close to what, 800 years old? The earth is pretty big for one old man to gather all the species on earth, don't ya think?
The pat answer is that they came to him. But that still completely ignores the impossibility of scale for such a boat, as well as ignoring the fact that the fable of Noah's Ark was plagiarized from another story.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:09:45pm |
re: #111 Kid A
And what about that Noah and the Ark thing? How did he get very species - male and female! - onto that big boat? I mean he was close to what, 800 years old? The earth is pretty big for one old man to gather all the species on earth, don't ya think?
I'm not answering your dumbass, condescending questions anymore.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:09:59pm |
re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth
The pat answer is that they came to him. But that still completely ignores the impossibility of scale for such a boat, as well as ignoring the fact that the fable of Noah's Ark was plagiarized from another story.
Dimensional pockets. Problem solved.
SCIENCE!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:10:13pm |
re: #122 Kid A
I choose not to. That's why I'm a genius.
so...you've disregarded the Bible outright without reading it?...this is genius?
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Chrysicat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:10:50pm |
re: #126 Obdicut
Something wrong with that link? It's refusing to load for me...
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:10:54pm |
re: #125 Alaska Kim
I'm not answering your dumbass, condescending questions anymore.
Okay, that's fine. Can we continue our Reagan conversation, or have you had enough of me refuting your Hannity talking points yet?
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sod Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:11:03pm |
re: #123 zora
God went down to Eden to see how Adam was getting on.
And the Devil went down to Georgia, lookin' for a soul to steal.
I was born in Georgia.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:11:03pm |
re: #87 Alaska Kim
God created Earth.
Brilliant. He also then created an Earth that was utterly hostile to life for a pretty frakking long time until methanogenic organisms came along and started producing oxygen as a waste product. Oops! Too much oxygen builds up in the atmosphere and it reacts with all the iron cations in the oceans and falls to the sea bed as a banded iron formation. Wash, rinse and repeat for the next billion years of so until everything that can be oxidized is oxidized and you geta significant build up of free O2 in the atmosphere that starts wiping out all the methanognic organisms. Wonderful! Oxygen is poisonous! But it also allows for a far more efficient cell energy exchange and so God (I guess, according to you) decided it would be good idea to allow critters that process oxygen to start appearing and Bingo! We have the dawn of the Cambrian!
Yep.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:11:12pm |
re: #119 Varek Raith
Nice work of fiction.
Which begs the question...
/Circular reasoning is circular.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:11:25pm |
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Iwouldprefernotto Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:11:28pm |
re: #14 Charles
So how do you feel about the fact that Romney is pro-choice, and accepts the reality of evolution and climate change?
And that Obamacare system he signed into law in Massachusetts -- I assume you're fine with that too?
I feel pretty good about an Obama/Romney debate. I don't think that Mitt can compete with him. I also think that some right wingers will not vote, because mitt is not one of them.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:11:30pm |
re: #125 Alaska Kim
So I guess you don't want to commit yourself on a controversial topic like the age of the planet you live on?
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:11:34pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:11:47pm |
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:12:00pm |
re: #136 Charles
So I guess you don't want to commit yourself on a controversial topic like the age of the planet you live on?
That's controversial?
/
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:12:16pm |
re: #104 b_sharp
Man created god.
And just to prove we're really good at it we created a shit load of them.
Man, that's the best quote. I just read it out loud to housemates who don't care, and they got it.
Kudos.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:12:25pm |
re: #128 albusteve
so...you've disregarded the Bible outright without reading it?...this is genius?
I'm not into fiction.
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bratwurst Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:12:26pm |
re: #134 Alaska Kim
I think you are speaking of the Koran.
Now we get into some holy book supremacy!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:12:29pm |
re: #74 zora
i read somewhere that only about 40% of americans believe in evolution. kim is not an anomaly.
anecdotally that number matches up to the people i know personally.
Oh, it's been a long time since we had an evolution fight around here. Let the good times roll.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:12:51pm |
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:13:11pm |
Hey, about that whole Noah thing, that's all allegorical, you know? I mean it's really about the spaceship and how we (well some of us) got here in the first place and it's not like there weren't already critters and such here already. And I'm not talkin' about those who call themselves 'star people' because they're (ahem) Mormons and all that Book is about is a way for them not to forget what they're all about and all, but that's basically all just allegory, too, but they missed it and none of 'em know what's up anymore, well some do, but they ain't talkin', obviously and um, hey- man, we keep tellin' you to quit bogartin' that thing- so pass that on back here...
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:13:27pm |
re: #101 celticdragon
There are some weird soft bodied things that show up along with stramatolites in Pre-Cambrian sediments, but most of them are utterly unclassifiable.
I was referring to the suggestion a couple of years ago that the Cambrian be extended to include the Ediacarian.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:13:49pm |
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jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:14:05pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
We've reached a sticking point!
Mitt Romney more competitive with Obama in poll, but religion remains a sticking point
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:14:53pm |
re: #120 zora
that's harsh. lots of religions have their own creation story. in some instances people believe these stories are literal. i have no problem with young earthers in general. just the ones who want to act as though these beliefs are actually science and want it taught as such.
Not to mention that those of us coming from long-standing religious traditions that don't take the text and the stories literally (and haven't for hundreds, nay, thousands, of years), get blown off routinely because messing with the fundamentalists is more fun.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:15:24pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:15:37pm |
re: #141 Kid A
I'm not into fiction.
nor common sense...try to rein in that astounding intellect...Kim is a very nice polite person...and devout...figure it out Einstein
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:15:55pm |
re: #25 Alaska Kim
climate change IS a reality. I live in Alaska, and that fact is more visible here than anywhere.
Great. CO2 absorbs in the thermal IR band, the reason human activity is responsible for climate change. CO2 turns into carbonic acid in water, the reason human activity is acidifying the oceans. Acknowledging that it's happening is nice, but understanding how and why is crucial. I hope you agree.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:16:14pm |
Oh! and I almost forgot, the space ship is- well, it isn't on Mt. Ararat at all, see, it's really up in the Himalayas and it's kept hidden up there by some real cool advanced technology and all and anyone who's ever seen it is made to , like, forget and all and there're some more of 'em in the Alps...
Man, hand me those hemostats will ya?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:16:16pm |
re: #122 Kid A
I choose not to. That's why I'm a genius.
Enormously important work of literature, even if one has no religious belief connected to it. Would I be smarter for having refused to read the Bhagavad Gita?
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:16:17pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:16:21pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
Not to mention that those of us coming from long-standing religious traditions that don't take the text and the stories literally (and haven't for hundreds, nay, thousands, of years), get blown off routinely because messing with the fundamentalists is more fun.
I like to contribute to arguments between hard-core fundamentalists and hard-core atheists. Mostly I like to contribute broken beer bottles.
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:16:37pm |
re: #120 zora
that's harsh. lots of religions have their own creation story. in some instances people believe these stories are literal. i have no problem with young earthers in general. just the ones who want to act as though these beliefs are actually science and want it taught as such.
Gotcha. You are more exposed than I. I know no young earth folks, nor no bible literate folks. Not counting my drug addict bro who found god, and hey, it works for him I'm all for it. He tells me not to touch his bible though, it may catch on fire or something.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:16:59pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:16:59pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
Not to mention that those of us coming from long-standing religious traditions that don't take the text and the stories literally (and haven't for hundreds, nay, thousands, of years), get blown off routinely because messing with the fundamentalists is more fun.
It really is.
Sorry.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:17:01pm |
re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth
The pat answer is that they came to him. But that still completely ignores the impossibility of scale for such a boat, as well as ignoring the fact that the fable of Noah's Ark was plagiarized from another story.
Nobody takes into consideration Noah's shrink ray.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:17:05pm |
re: #146 b_sharp
I was referring to the suggestion a couple of years ago that the Cambrian be extended to include the Ediacarian.
Yeah, I remember some suggestions that the Burgess Shale fauna were actually Ediacarian, but in my Paleontology class last year, I found they are now considered early Cambrian. I am not versed well enough on late Cryptozoic life to really debate this in depth. One interesting thing drifting around is the snowball earth hypothesis where late Pre-Cambrian (or Cryptozoic, if you prefer) Earth was mostly frozen over.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:18:15pm |
re: #128 albusteve
so...you've disregarded the Bible outright without reading it?...this is genius?
I read the Bible when I was 14. I really dug the begats, but found the Psalms boring.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:18:47pm |
Watching the Stanley Cup Finals, and the organ player just busted out "Subdivisions" by Rush. That was cool...
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:18:53pm |
re: #136 Charles
So I guess you don't want to commit yourself on a controversial topic like the age of the
planetturtle you live on?
Fixed.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:18:55pm |
re: #164 b_sharp
I read the Bible when I was 14. I really dug the begats, but found the Psalms boring.
Song of Solomon is teh hawtness.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:19:30pm |
re: #164 b_sharp
I read the Bible when I was 14. I really dug the begats, but found the Psalms boring.
I think I was around the same age. I liked Proverbs.
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recusancy Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:19:35pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:19:45pm |
re: #145 Capitalist Tool
Hey, about that whole Noah thing, that's all allegorical, you know? I mean it's really about the spaceship and how we (well some of us) got here in the first place and it's not like there weren't already critters and such here already. And I'm not talkin' about those who call themselves 'star people' because they're (ahem) Mormons and all that Book is about is a way for them not to forget what they're all about and all, but that's basically all just allegory, too, but they missed it and none of 'em know what's up anymore, well some do, but they ain't talkin', obviously and um, hey- man, we keep tellin' you to quit bogartin' that thing- so pass that on back here...
More practically, civilization got its act together on flood planes, and developed its first struggles with theodicy in the wake of devastating sheets of water. Something Americans have continued to deal with until, well, now.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:20:12pm |
re: #136 Charles
So I guess you don't want to commit yourself on a controversial topic like the age of the planet you live on?
I'm not going to commit myself to reading the smartass b.s. jokes that everyone throws at me when I try and defend my beliefs.
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:20:46pm |
re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist
More practically, civilization got its act together on flood planes, and developed its first struggles with theodicy in the wake of devastating sheets of water. Something Americans have continued to deal with until, well, now.
I hate it when my plane floods
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:20:56pm |
We have seen, in our lifetime, speciation (evolution) taking place among known populations of animals and birds. Critters adapt, and much more rapidly than we knew previously.
Evolution isn't something that happened once upon a time.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:21:48pm |
re: #157 Varek Raith
Or The Epic of Gilgamesh.
Ten points for anyone who can tell me what the rainbow image from Gilgamesh is.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:22:12pm |
re: #157 Varek Raith
Or The Epic of Gilgamesh.
I think I'm gonna borrow from that Epic and write my own piece of fiction.
/wait, what?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:22:43pm |
re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
Oooh! I did. Do I win something?
Eternal glory, if you can just figure out how to die dramatically in front of the walls of Troy.
Also, free Helen with the destruction of your city and the death of all your friends and loved ones.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:22:45pm |
re: #173 Alaska Kim
I'm not going to commit myself to reading the smartass b.s. jokes that everyone throws at me when I try and defend my beliefs.
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ.
Seriously, is it possible that when God said "Let there be light," that that was the Big Bang? I'm honestly not being a smart ass here. The point I'm trying to make is that it is possible for religion and science to not have to be exclusive from one another, right?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:23:04pm |
re: #173 Alaska Kim
I'm not going to commit myself to reading the smartass b.s. jokes that everyone throws at me when I try and defend my beliefs.
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ.
I'm not going to throw smartass b.s. jokes at you, but I might challenge you to think.
Do you actually believe the earth was created exactly in its present form, 6,000 years ago?
And if so, how do you explain the extensive fossil record?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:23:46pm |
re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist
I had to cheat, so I'll STFU. That's one tale I have not read.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:24:09pm |
re: #10 Alaska Kim
So how do you feel about J.S. Bach?
When I saw you were back I put on the Magnificat In D, BWV 243.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:24:25pm |
re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
Oooh! I did. Do I win something?
Yes, an expanded imagination.
Now try LSD.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:24:36pm |
re: #173 Alaska Kim
I'm not going to commit myself to reading the smartass b.s. jokes that everyone throws at me when I try and defend my beliefs.
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ.
Fine. That is a perfectly comendable position to take. Keep in mind that God has given you an intellect to use and the ability to think critically. The means by which life arrived on earth are visible in the geologic record. The process is entirely understandable, and it need not contradict your religious beliefs unless you are misusing the brain that you were blessed with.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:24:49pm |
re: #173 Alaska Kim
I'm not going to commit myself to reading the smartass b.s. jokes that everyone throws at me when I try and defend my beliefs.
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ.
In all honesty, ignore me. I'm a jerk when it comes to discussing religion.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:24:58pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
Eternal glory, if you can just figure out how to die dramatically in front of the walls of Troy.
Also, free Helen with the destruction of your city and the death of all your friends and loved ones.
Helen must have been one hell of a looker. That, or a really good cook.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:25:01pm |
re: #183 wlewisiii
So how do you feel about J.S. Bach?
When I saw you were back I put on the Magnificat In D, BWV 243.
bach and roll dude
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:25:17pm |
re: #174 albusteve
I hate it when my plane floods
The corrosion clean up afterwards is really annoying, ya know?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:25:32pm |
re: #164 b_sharp
I read the Bible when I was 14. I really dug the begats, but found the Psalms boring.
There's some fascinating tales slipped sideways into the begats. Smack-dab in the middle of Chronicles, in one throw-away line we meet:
His daughter was Sheerah, who built Lower and Upper Beth Horon as well as Uzzen Sheerah.
And like that, this woman disappears on us. Architect? Tribal leader? Hod-carrier extraordinaire? Who knows?
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elizajane Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:25:40pm |
re: #173 Alaska Kim
I'm not going to commit myself to reading the smartass b.s. jokes that everyone throws at me when I try and defend my beliefs.
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ.
Me too! I say that in church every Sunday.
And I believe that they are way, way too big to be constrained by puny concepts like days and years or genus and species.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:25:48pm |
re: #184 b_sharp
Yes, an expanded imagination.
Now try LSD.
Been there. Done that. Got the melting t-shirt.
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jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:25:50pm |
re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth
I hear she kept her eyebrows separated.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:25:51pm |
re: #163 celticdragon
Yeah, I remember some suggestions that the Burgess Shale fauna were actually Ediacarian, but in my Paleontology class last year, I found they are now considered early Cambrian. I am not versed well enough on late Cryptozoic life to really debate this in depth. One interesting thing drifting around is the snowball earth hypothesis where late Pre-Cambrian (or Cryptozoic, if you prefer) Earth was mostly frozen over.
You're a smart person.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:26:15pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:26:58pm |
re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth
Helen must have been one hell of a looker. That, or a really good cook.
Harvard students, for a while, rated their female classmates in milli-Helens. (Enough beauty to launch one ship)
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:27:00pm |
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:27:34pm |
Alaska Kim,
Please don't think of me ( or many of us here)as pounding on you or your belief system.
You are just like the rest of us and mold your own world with your own thoughts. You can believe what you want. Your beliefs will change over time, as you may have noted so far.
Your beliefs (and doubts- which are also beliefs) will change according to what you learn and come to know.
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elizajane Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:27:39pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
Eternal glory, if you can just figure out how to die dramatically in front of the walls of Troy.
Also, free Helen with the destruction of your city and the death of all your friends and loved ones.
Then, pass Go and collect $200.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:27:59pm |
re: #187 Varek Raith
In all honesty, ignore me. I'm a jerk when it comes to discussing religion.
I simply discount all of it...but I see no reason to hurt somebody's feelings over it...unless they ask for it...Kim is a nice person and that counts a lot for me
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:28:05pm |
re: #187 Varek Raith
In all honesty, ignore me. I'm a jerk when it comes to discussing religion.
We have a club?
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:28:11pm |
There are many thousands of genuinely educated clergy (as opposed to informally "called" hucksters) and millions of Christians who have no problem at all with the theory of evolution or the age of the Earth. This was in fact the prevailing view in Christian circles for decades, from the early 20th century until the rise of sound bite televangelism in the 80s. It is still the prevailing view among many denominations, including the largest, the Roman Catholic Church.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:28:42pm |
re: #173 Alaska Kim
I'm not going to commit myself to reading the smartass b.s. jokes that everyone throws at me when I try and defend my beliefs.
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ.
Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:28:44pm |
re: #195 b_sharp
You're a smart person.
Flattery will get you 8 by 10 glossies of Mt St Helens, Rainbow Basin and Death Valley from Dante's View.
Total geology porn.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:28:53pm |
re: #173 Alaska Kim
I'm not going to commit myself to reading the smartass b.s. jokes that everyone throws at me when I try and defend my beliefs.
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ.
We just want to know how deep into the mythos you've fallen.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:29:35pm |
re: #175 Capitalist Tool
We have seen, in our lifetime, speciation (evolution) taking place among known populations of animals and birds. Critters adapt, and much more rapidly than we knew previously.
Evolution isn't something that happened once upon a time.
Don't forget insects. And ring species.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:30:14pm |
re: #204 Shiplord Kirel
There are many thousands of genuinely educated clergy (as opposed to informally "called" hucksters) and millions of Christians who have no problem at all with the theory of evolution or the age of the Earth. This was in fact the prevailing view in Christian circles for decades, from the early 20th century until the rise of sound bite televangelism in the 80s. It is still the prevailing view among many denominations, including the largest, the Roman Catholic Church.
thanks for that Ship
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:30:22pm |
re: #207 b_sharp
We just want to know how deep into the mythos you've fallen.
Cthulu al Shoggoth! The Eldar Ones dance at the edge of madness!
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elizajane Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:30:24pm |
re: #198 Decatur Deb
Harvard students, for a while, rated their female classmates in milli-Helens. (Enough beauty to launch one ship)
Ugh. That explains the toasts at a particularly obnoxious wedding reception I once attended at the chancellor's house at Harvard.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:30:38pm |
re: #177 Slumbering Behemoth
I think I'm gonna borrow from that Epic and write my own piece of fiction.
/wait, what?
Didn't someone already do that? And the book isn't even in the Science Fiction/Fantasy section.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:31:07pm |
re: #211 elizajane
Ugh. That explains the toasts at a particularly obnoxious wedding reception I once attended at the chancellor's house at Harvard.
Stay. All will be made clear to you.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:31:11pm |
re: #207 b_sharp
We just want to know how deep into the mythos you've fallen.
What is it to any of us, really, what someone thinks? All we use these discussions for is a yardstick to try to determine the secrets of the world for ourselves.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:31:53pm |
re: #202 albusteve
I simply discount all of it...but I see no reason to hurt somebody's feelings over it...unless they ask for it...Kim is a nice person and that counts a lot for me
Yeah, you're right.
Sorry Alaska Kim.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:32:15pm |
re: #207 b_sharp
We just want to know how deep into the mythos you've fallen.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Yahweh. R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:33:51pm |
re: #215 Varek Raith
Yeah, you're right.
Sorry Alaska Kim.
I can handle it, but I'll never stoop to your level.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:33:52pm |
re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth
Helen must have been one hell of a looker. That, or a really good cook.
As a madam, she had everybody's details in her little black book.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:33:55pm |
re: #182 Slumbering Behemoth
I had to cheat, so I'll STFU. That's one tale I have not read.
It's pretty good, and the section that parallels the Biblical flood story is fascinating. The key difference between them, to my eye, is that while in the Sumerian story there is a conflict going on between the gods over the flood, and whether to destroy mankind completely. Enlil is in favor, it's Ea who tips off the Noah figure to get some stuff together and try to ride it out, and Ishtar who promises over the destruction never to permit such a thing to happen again. In the Genesis text, all of this is understood as one God, which either makes less sense, or adds psychological depth to the divine, however you want to see it.
Deucalion and Pyrrha, from the Greeks, is similar in outline, but not as clearly an earlier form of the same story. Biblical text is heavily layered with earlier West Semitic texts, and some turns of phrase remain intact to drive interpreters nuts for generations. Genesis 1:26 and all that jazz.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:34:36pm |
re: #215 Varek Raith
Yeah, you're right.
Sorry Alaska Kim.
I have dear friends down in Jamaica that worship Haile Selassie...and I am very fond of them
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:35:26pm |
Maddow is discussing Griswold V Conn and the right to use birth control.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:35:41pm |
re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth
Helen must have been one hell of a looker. That, or a really good cook.
The boys in my ninth-grade class were pretty disgusted with Paris. They thought he made a supremely dumb choice. They pointed out that if you were a great king, or really wise, you could probably get a hot girl to like you on your own who wasn't already married to someone else.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:35:48pm |
re: #216 jamesfirecat
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zora Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:35:59pm |
re: #159 Stanley Sea
He tells me not to touch his bible though, it may catch on fire or something.
ouch.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:36:09pm |
re: #217 Alaska Kim
I can handle it, but I'll never stoop to your level.
Pardon, I know you are a bit flamed- up right now, since so many people have been, well, teasing you, so I'll just point out a little teeny fact; that VR just apologized to you...
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:37:20pm |
Maddow and discussion of efforts to ban birth control pills now.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:38:17pm |
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:38:31pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:38:43pm |
I always knew America had a lot of creationists, but I remember being pretty surprised to find out how widespread this anti-science attitude was. I had no idea that so many LGF readers were creationists, until I started criticizing creationism, and all heck broke loose.
And when challenged, almost all the creationists responded with anger and irrational arguments. I got dozens of emails saying I was doomed to burn in hell. Some of these people now stalk me on the Internet.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:39:31pm |
re: #206 celticdragon
Flattery will get you 8 by 10 glossies of Mt St Helens, Rainbow Basin and Death Valley from Dante's View.
Total geology porn.
I still have my two Geology texts from 30 years ago.
Because of the porn.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:39:53pm |
re: #232 Charles
I always knew America had a lot of creationists, but I remember being pretty surprised to find out how widespread this anti-science attitude was. I had no idea that so many LGF readers were creationists, until I started criticizing creationism, and all heck broke loose.
And when challenged, almost all the creationists responded with anger and irrational arguments. I got dozens of emails saying I was doomed to burn in hell. Some of these people now stalk me on the Internet.
I am going to end up on the front lines if I start teaching earth science in public schools.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:40:09pm |
re: #226 Capitalist Tool
Pardon, I know you are a bit flamed- up right now, since so many people have been, well, teasing you, so I'll just point out a little teeny fact; that VR just apologized to you...
Thank you, VR, but I'm leary of you....
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:40:38pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:40:50pm |
re: #233 b_sharp
I still have my two Geology texts from 30 years ago.
Because of the porn.
Wow, 'cause geology is not the giggling science. Biology is.
Everything poops. Everything reproduces.
I get to teach biology to middle-schoolers again this year.
Last year we had to wait ten minutes to regain calm after I used the words "anal pore" about paramecia.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:41:16pm |
"Conceived in Rape tour"???
WTF
WTF
WTF
WTF
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:41:32pm |
re: #233 b_sharp
I still have my two Geology texts from 30 years ago.
Because of the porn.
"Nudge, Nudge, wink wink, Say no more!".
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:41:41pm |
"This was a wonderful story that was told to the people in the desert in order to distract them from the fact that they did not have air conditioning."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:41:42pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:42:14pm |
re: #232 Charles
I always knew America had a lot of creationists, but I remember being pretty surprised to find out how widespread this anti-science attitude was. I had no idea that so many LGF readers were creationists, until I started criticizing creationism, and all heck broke loose.
And when challenged, almost all the creationists responded with anger and irrational arguments. I got dozens of emails saying I was doomed to burn in hell. Some of these people now stalk me on the Internet.
considering that maybe many had never been challenged before...it makes for a good example of social evolution...strive to survive and if you are threatened, attack...maybe not, just winging it
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:42:40pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:42:40pm |
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:43:11pm |
re: #235 Alaska Kim
Thank you, VR, but I'm leary of you...
And an apology from me. Honestly, I thought you were some troll, stirring shit up. While I'm not a believer like yourself, I do wonder and question things quite a bit. I'm not an atheist by the way.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:43:21pm |
re: #239 celticdragon
"Nudge, Nudge, wink wink, Say no more!".
Yeah, trying search on "bedding cleavage."
It refers to fracture lines in bedrock.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:43:24pm |
re: #237 EmmmieG
Wow, 'cause geology is not the giggling science. Biology is.
Everything poops. Everything reproduces.
I get to teach biology to middle-schoolers again this year.
Last year we had to wait ten minutes to regain calm after I used the words "anal pore" about paramecia.
Obviously you have never had to talk about the mineral cummingtonite in mineralogy class.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:43:47pm |
re: #244 Varek Raith
I, on the other hand, am leering at you. o_0
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:43:52pm |
re: #244 Varek Raith
It's alright.
She should be. You are trying to rule the universe with an iron fist and all that.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:44:16pm |
re: #235 Alaska Kim
Thank you, VR, but I'm leary of you...
familiarity breeds understanding and you are not here often...VR is a good person
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:44:41pm |
re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth
I, on the other hand, am leering at you. o_0
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:45:12pm |
re: #250 albusteve
familiarity breeds understanding and you are not here often...VR is a good person
Damn you're mellow tonight. Watcha listening to?
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:45:19pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:45:27pm |
And Charles, back to you asking me what I think about Romney being pro-choice... I have no control over that, half the planet is pro-choice. So be it. I don't believe in abortion, but that's a whole 'nuther bottle of wine. If a woman decides to abort a baby, that's a shame. I hope she can live with that choice for the rest of her life.
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jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:45:27pm |
re: #247 celticdragon
Obviously you have never had to talk about the mineral cummingtonite in mineralogy class.
Monoclinic cummingtonite is compositionally similar and polymorphic with orthorhombic anthophyllite, which is a much more common form of magnesium-rich amphibole, the latter being metastable.
I'm gonna save that to read later.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:45:33pm |
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:45:36pm |
re: #247 celticdragon
Our Prof couldn't even keep a straight face when she brought that one up.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:45:45pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:46:07pm |
re: #240 goddamnedfrank
"This was a wonderful story that was told to the people in the desert in order to distract them from the fact that they did not have air conditioning."
[Video]
In Pigs In Heaven, the young Cherokee lawyer is asked by her grandfather if she knows who the Bible was written by.
She says she thought it was written by a bunch of guys who lived in the desert and fished for a living.
He says that if they lived in the desert and caught fish, perhaps she should listen to them.
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bratwurst Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:46:15pm |
Now US drones and fighter jets set to fly over Yemen as well?!?
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:46:26pm |
re: #237 EmmmieG
Wow, 'cause geology is not the giggling science. Biology is.
Everything poops. Everything reproduces.
I get to teach biology to middle-schoolers again this year.
Last year we had to wait ten minutes to regain calm after I used the words "anal pore" about paramecia.
I always said I chose geology over biology because my specimens were less likely to slither away, rot, bite me, or cause some dreadful disease (unless of course they are radioactive and I swallow them.) I have only had one student throw up in lab, and that was only because he came in drunk. I also got to handle actual Moon samples, which biologists did not, unless it was the astronauts urine specimens or something similarly unappealing.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:46:37pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:46:37pm |
re: #260 bratwurst
Now US drones and fighter jets set to fly over Yemen as well?!?
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
time to invade
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:46:55pm |
re: #254 Alaska Kim
And Charles, back to you asking me what I think about Romney being pro-choice... I have no control over that, half the planet is pro-choice. So be it. I don't believe in abortion, but that's a whole 'nuther bottle of wine. If a woman decides to abort a baby, that's a shame. I hope she can live with that choice for the rest of her life.
In many cases, that choice is made so that she can live the rest of her life.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:46:55pm |
re: #214 Capitalist Tool
What is it to any of us, really, what someone thinks? All we use these discussions for is a yardstick to try to determine the secrets of the world for ourselves.
We all categorize people based on the information we have of them. The more information, the more accurate the placement. Much as we'd like to, we simply don't have the brain capacity to categorize everyone into his own group.
I have a category called creationist where I stuff everyone who discounts evolution. They all get the same treatment from me, but I do give them opportunity to show me I've made mistakes. Many have even been moved from that category, while others have travelled closer to the centre.
It's an evolutionary landscape.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:47:33pm |
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:47:44pm |
re: #217 Alaska Kim
I can handle it, but I'll never stoop to your level.
Nice irony.
You'll fit right in.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:48:30pm |
re: #118 Alaska Kim
read the Bible, genius.
I think it's a safe bet the folks in the Vatican read that book but they seem to have arrived at a different conclusion.
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:49:01pm |
re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth
In many cases, that choice is made so that she can live the rest of her life.
Cheers. You said it.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:49:10pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
It's pretty good, and the section that parallels the Biblical flood story is fascinating. The key difference between them, to my eye, is that while in the Sumerian story there is a conflict going on between the gods over the flood, and whether to destroy mankind completely. Enlil is in favor, it's Ea who tips off the Noah figure to get some stuff together and try to ride it out, and Ishtar who promises over the destruction never to permit such a thing to happen again. In the Genesis text, all of this is understood as one God, which either makes less sense, or adds psychological depth to the divine, however you want to see it.
Deucalion and Pyrrha, from the Greeks, is similar in outline, but not as clearly an earlier form of the same story. Biblical text is heavily layered with earlier West Semitic texts, and some turns of phrase remain intact to drive interpreters nuts for generations. Genesis 1:26 and all that jazz.
Now there's a colourful tale.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:49:21pm |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
I think it's a safe bet the folks in the Vatican read that book but they seem to have arrived at a different conclusion.
when you come to a fork in the road, take it
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:49:24pm |
re: #254 Alaska Kim
And Charles, back to you asking me what I think about Romney being pro-choice... I have no control over that, half the planet is pro-choice. So be it. I don't believe in abortion, but that's a whole 'nuther bottle of wine. If a woman decides to abort a baby, that's a shame. I hope she can live with that choice for the rest of her life.
Kim, I think Romney (like every other politician) says what he/she has to say. I don't think half of the GOP really believes the shit they are selling.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:50:21pm |
re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth
In many cases, that choice is made so that she can live the rest of her life.
in a FEW cases, maybe.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:50:27pm |
re: #134 Alaska Kim
I think you are speaking of the Koran.
Why is the Koran "a work of fiction," but not the Bible?
Both of these books were written by desert-dwelling Bronze Age people, who lived in a brutal world with no science and no technology, and no Enlightenment.
What makes the Bible better, except the fact that you were raised to believe in it?
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:51:20pm |
re: #255 jaunte
I'm gonna save that to read later.
That means it is a an Mg rich amphibole (a hydrous mafic mineral class associated with fairly silica rich igneous rocks and intermediate grade metamorphic rocks) that has little crystal symetry.
A not very helpful explanation of the monoclinic crystal system is here.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:51:30pm |
re: #269 Stanley Sea
There are an awful lot of people out there who do not know, or do not care, that it is a life saving procedure for many.
It must remain safe and legal.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:52:11pm |
Totally OT, but fascinating (to me).
I got a call today from a city halfway across the country which I have never visited. A racket club there had found a cell phone, and our cell phone was on it under "Aunt Em."* They figured I would be most likely to know whose phone it was out of all the numbers on it. They were right, of course. Only one person would have me listed as that who lives in this town.
Hopefully, my nephew has nothing scandalous on his phone that the good ladies at the front desk got to view. Snicker.
*I'm sure it shocks you that my nephews and nieces find it hysterical to refer to me as "Auntie Em."
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:52:12pm |
re: #273 Alaska Kim
in a FEW cases, maybe.
no...I'd bet in most cases, that are not simply birth control...there is an infinite number of favorable reasons to abort a pregnancy
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:52:28pm |
re: #274 Charles
Why is the Koran "a work of fiction," but not the Bible?
Both of these books were written by desert-dwelling Bronze Age people, who live in a brutal world with no science and no technology, and no Enlightenment?
What makes the Bible better, except the fact that you were raised to believe in it?
have you read them both?
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:52:45pm |
re: #274 Charles
Or why we all say "God Bless America?" Why just us? We're not even 5% of the world's population, how did we get so lucky to be graced by God?
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:52:47pm |
re: #278 Slumbering Behemoth
There are an awful lot of people out there who do not know, or do not care, that it is a life saving procedure for many.
It must remain safe and legal.
And a choice that no stranger has the right to opinionate about. You know this :)
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zora Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:53:19pm |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
she told him to read the bible in response to questions about the bible. noah, adam, and eve, etc. why continue to give answers if you know that the things that are precious to you are being mocked?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:53:27pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:53:38pm |
re: #283 Kid A
Or why we all say "God Bless America?" Why just us? We're not even 5% of the world's population, how did we get so lucky to be graced by God?
Because it's the name of the song.:)
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:53:55pm |
re: #280 albusteve
no...I'd bet in most cases, that are not simply birth control...there is an infinite number of favorable reasons to abort a pregnancy
infinate number????
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:55:03pm |
re: #287 Cannadian Club Akbar
Because it's the name of the song.:)
THAT'S IT!!! It was the whole "Something to sing in the seventh-inning stretch on Sundays!"
//
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:55:04pm |
re: #289 Alaska Kim
infinate number???
almost...every combination of every trauma a woman can go through...I'm not a calculator tho
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jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:55:32pm |
re: #279 EmmmieG
I found a cellphone a couple of years ago at a NASCAR event in South Carolina, flew home with it, and got it back to the owner by calling the listing for 'mom' instead of the several dozen other female names in the directory.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:56:14pm |
re: #294 jaunte
I found a cellphone a couple of years ago at a NASCAR event in South Carolina, flew home with it, and got it back to the owner by calling the listing for 'mom' instead of the several dozen other female names in the directory.
Yeah, that woman had a finite number of people who would have her listed under that name.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:56:50pm |
re: #291 albusteve
almost...every combination of every trauma a woman can go through...I'm not a calculator tho
we'll have to agree to disagree.
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:57:01pm |
re: #280 albusteve
no...I'd bet in most cases, that are not simply birth control...there is an infinite number of favorable reasons to abort a pregnancy
I would say there are very valid reasons for aborting a pregnancy, including even late term cases. I have no right to tell a women whose baby will not survive outside the womb that she must give birth and watch her baby die. I cannot fathom the cruelty of those who presume to do so.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:57:08pm |
I gad forgotten that creationists still existed until I came to LGF. I hadn't encountered one in real life since grade school.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:58:01pm |
re: #254 Alaska Kim
And Charles, back to you asking me what I think about Romney being pro-choice... I have no control over that, half the planet is pro-choice. So be it. I don't believe in abortion, but that's a whole 'nuther bottle of wine. If a woman decides to abort a baby, that's a shame. I hope she can live with that choice for the rest of her life.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:58:35pm |
re: #296 Alaska Kim
we'll have to agree to disagree.
do you think a teen should bear a child as the result of rape...or any combination of events that include criminal sex?
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:59:08pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:59:21pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
I've got 'em in my family. Literalists as well.
I think I was maybe 12 when I realized I was already smarter than some of the grown adults in my family.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:59:21pm |
re: #300 Capitalist Tool
Oops, to complete... there is that aspect.
But many believe, and some claim to know, that the 'living with it' continues beyond this life.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 6:59:26pm |
The main difference between the Bible and the Koran is that the Bible is better organized.
But both books come from an era in which women were chattel, life was short, and people were often murdered on a whim. And both books reflect that reality.
The Koran is no more brutal than the Bible. Both books contain numerous stories of horrific abuse at the hand of God. And that's because both books were written by people who were confused and awed by a world they didn't understand, and invented supernatural reasons to explain the seemingly random brutality they had to endure.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:00:26pm |
re: #274 Charles
Why is the Koran "a work of fiction," but not the Bible?
Both of these books were written by desert-dwelling Bronze Age people, who lived in a brutal world with no science and no technology, and no Enlightenment.
What makes the Bible better, except the fact that you were raised to believe in it?
Technically, the Tanach is Bronze/Iron age, the Gospels are later Iron Age, and the Koran is Medieval.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:00:53pm |
re: #304 Alaska Kim
absolutely.
Thanks! Honestly, I thought you were trolling, and I got out of line. I know the Bible is important to a lot of people including yourself and other LGF readers. I'm really not THAT hostile to it, if at all, which means I'm not.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:01:00pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:01:06pm |
re: #303 albusteve
do you think a teen should bear a child as the result of rape...or any combination of events that include criminal sex?
if it was my daughter, i would encourage her to have the baby and give it up for adoption. rape is not the baby's fault.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:01:24pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:01:26pm |
re: #297 celticdragon
I would say there are very valid reasons for aborting a pregnancy, including even late term cases. I have no right to tell a women whose baby will not survive outside the womb that she must give birth and watch her baby die. I cannot fathom the cruelty of those who presume to do so.
they do not see it as cruelty...
know your enemy
if they presume to have God on your side...then it becomes a gigantic problem...your business is their business
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:01:51pm |
re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist
I have! I have! Do I get something?
*smooch*
But you could of got that for just being you.
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sod Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:02:05pm |
re: #307 Charles
Both books contain numerous stories of horrific abuse at the hand of God. And that's because both books were written by people who were confused and awed by a world they didn't understand, and invented supernatural reasons to explain the seemingly random brutality they had to endure.
Or written by people looking to make a buck.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:02:57pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:03:23pm |
re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist
Technically, the Tanach is Bronze/Iron age, the Gospels are later Iron Age, and the Koran is Medieval.
How far back does the Koran borrow?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:03:41pm |
Unbelievable. On the tube, talking about Anthony Weiner's unwillingness to resign, one says of it "Weiner stands firm".
The jokes really do write themselves.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:04:18pm |
re: #319 Slumbering Behemoth
Unbelievable. On the tube, talking about Anthony Weiner's unwillingness to resign, one says of it "Weiner stands firm".
The jokes really do write themselves.
HEHEHEHEHEH, you said "wiener".
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:04:33pm |
re: #319 Slumbering Behemoth
Unbelievable. On the tube, talking about Anthony Weiner's unwillingness to resign, one says of it "Weiner stands firm".
The jokes really do write themselves.
"Weiner won't soften stance."
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:04:54pm |
re: #311 Alaska Kim
if it was my daughter, i would encourage her to have the baby and give it up for adoption. rape is not the baby's fault.
I didn't ask about your daughter...do you feel you should impose adoption on a stranger that was raped and does not want a pregnancy?...would you impose your moral will on others you believe are wrong?
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:05:10pm |
re: #316 albusteve
Charles is en fuego
Thought he was en Cahleefohneeyah.
(Did that sound like Ahnold?)
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:05:22pm |
re: #311 Alaska Kim
if it was my daughter, i would encourage her to have the baby and give it up for adoption. rape is not the baby's fault.
Hi Kim..I was adopted..
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freetoken Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:05:54pm |
I've been working on a Page (yeah, one of many unfinished works...) that I've titled "The Magick Book and the American" (or something like that) - I suppose I should finish it.
On one forum the past few days I also have experimented with engaging some creationists with the problem that genetics brings to their belief system. Nothing new (as far as what to expect), but it does reinforce my belief that people will simply avoid anything that challenges their most cherished beliefs, regardless of merit of the challenge.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:06:07pm |
re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist
I have! I have! Do I get something?
A smile and a picture of my wiener.
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Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:06:32pm |
re: #319 Slumbering Behemoth
Unbelievable. On the tube, talking about Anthony Weiner's unwillingness to resign, one says of it "Weiner stands firm".
The jokes really do write themselves.
"Weiner rock-solid in his defense."
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:06:52pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:08:19pm |
re: #322 albusteve
I didn't ask about your daughter...do you feel you should impose adoption on a stranger that was raped and does not want a pregnancy?...would you impose your moral will on others you believe are wrong?
i said a few minutes ago, no. if women choose to abort, that is their choice. but I don't believe in it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:09:07pm |
re: #318 Decatur Deb
How far back does the Koran borrow?
To the beginning of that--the creation story from Genesis is retold, as I recall. There's also borrowing/incorporation from a range of other sources--the Midrash of God holding Sinai over the heads of the people to coerce them into accepting the Torah is referenced in the Koran.
Probably a lot of stuff I don't recognize, as well.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:09:09pm |
re: #311 Alaska Kim
if it was my daughter, i would encourage her to have the baby and give it up for adoption. rape is not the baby's fault.
Wow.
So you're opposed to allowing abortion for rape victims?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:10:14pm |
re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist
To the beginning of that--the creation story from Genesis is retold, as I recall. There's also borrowing/incorporation from a range of other sources--the Midrash of God holding Sinai over the heads of the people to coerce them into accepting the Torah is referenced in the Koran.
Probably a lot of stuff I don't recognize, as well.
So we're back in the Bronze Age, with medieval calligraphy.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:10:27pm |
re: #330 Alaska Kim
i said a few minutes ago, no. if women choose to abort, that is their choice. but I don't believe in it.
would you vote for a pol that wanted to impose his will on women?
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:10:56pm |
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:11:29pm |
Anyone ever do a comparison of the story of Horus and the story of Jesus Christ? Sound familiar?
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:11:48pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:12:35pm |
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:12:39pm |
re: #332 Charles
Wow.
So you're opposed to allowing abortion for rape victims?
I believe dualism is the major basis for this argument.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:13:08pm |
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:13:13pm |
re: #326 b_sharp
A smile and a picture of my wiener.
Dang, I can't find it, but some chick posted a photo of herself in her husbands tighties today. She used a cheese stick. For real. I lol'd.
(not sure if I re-created the hilarity, but it was THERE)
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bratwurst Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:13:22pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:14:11pm |
re: #338 albusteve
you opposed it with regard to your own child
i did NOT oppose it with regard to my own child, i said i would encourage her to have the baby. but ultimately it would be her choice.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:14:18pm |
re: #341 Stanley Sea
Dang, I can't find it, but some chick posted a photo of herself in her husbands tighties today. She used a cheese stick. For real. I lol'd.
(not sure if I re-created the hilarity, but it was THERE)
Aren't cheese sticks long and skinny?
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:14:19pm |
re: #334 albusteve
would you vote for a pol that wanted to impose his will on women?
HIS is the key word there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:14:49pm |
re: #342 bratwurst
So you obviously would have vote for Harry Reid over Sharron Angle.
Her name is Alaska Kim, not Nevada Kim.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:15:17pm |
re: #343 Alaska Kim
i did NOT oppose it with regard to my own child, i said i would encourage her to have the baby. but ultimately it would be her choice.
encouraging to have the baby is discouraging an abortion...anyway, I'm cool with it
| 349 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:15:44pm |
Not to distract from Congressman Weiner, but does Dick Trickle still race NASCAR?
/
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Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:15:56pm |
re: #344 b_sharp
Aren't cheese sticks long and skinny?
yeah, it was a kinda fail. Funny, but a fail. A brat would've been a better choice.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:16:43pm |
re: #343 Alaska Kim
i did NOT oppose it with regard to my own child, i said i would encourage her to have the baby. but ultimately it would be her choice.
Why would you encourage your daughter to carry a rapist's baby?
You do understand that this would mean your daughter would be compelled to have a relationship with her rapist, for the rest of her life, right?
Do you really think this is healthy?
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:17:06pm |
re: #350 Stanley Sea
yeah, it was a kinda fail. Funny, but a fail. A brat would've been a better choice.
And just what is wrong with a 1/2" x 3" hex head bolt?
| 353 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:17:48pm |
I really hate abortion topics and rarely if ever indulge...but I've always like Kim and wanted to come to terms with her...the rule of law is where the rubber hits the road
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:18:56pm |
re: #351 Charles
Why would you encourage your daughter to carry a rapist's baby?
You do understand that this would mean your daughter would be compelled to have a relationship with her rapist, for the rest of her life, right?
Do you really think this is healthy?
back to the rapist holding all the cards...what a bizarre twist of common decency
| 355 |
zora Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:19:01pm |
night y'all. i find christian bashing about as amusing as hippie punching.
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sod Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:20:39pm |
re: #353 albusteve
I really hate abortion topics and rarely if ever indulge...but I've always like Kim and wanted to come to terms with her...the rule of law is where the rubber hits the road
If the rubber would stay on we wouldn't have to have these arguments.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:22:17pm |
re: #351 Charles
there is such a thing as anonymous adoptions... you sign over the baby to a family of your choice... you give up all rights to that baby and it is over. why would the mother have to have any relationship with the rapist???
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:22:31pm |
which came first?
the Spider And The Fly
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:23:09pm |
re: #355 zora
night y'all. i find christian bashing about as amusing as hippie punching.
It's not Christian bashing, it's fundamentalist religion bashing.
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researchok Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:23:51pm |
How about this as a starting point:
Abortion- safe, legal and rare.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:23:54pm |
re: #357 Alaska Kim
I knew a girl when I was a kid (13 or 14) who got pregnant (not by rape) and gave up the kid. Never held it. Never saw it.
| 362 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:24:41pm |
re: #357 Alaska Kim
there is such a thing as anonymous adoptions... you sign over the baby to a family of your choice... you give up all rights to that baby and it is over. why would the mother have to have any relationship with the rapist???
Carrying a child to term which was conceived in rape would be an exceedingly cruel punishment for the mother.
That's just one aspect of the problem.
| 363 |
Stanghazi Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:25:33pm |
This was tweeted by Roger Ebert.
Greg Fultz, the New Mexico man who took out a billboard to shame his ex-girlfriend for allegedly having an abortion, has a violent, almost psychotic Twitter history.
[Link: news.gather.com...]
Dude.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:26:26pm |
re: #363 Stanley Sea
This was tweeted by Roger Ebert.
Greg Fultz, the New Mexico man who took out a billboard to shame his ex-girlfriend for allegedly having an abortion, has a violent, almost psychotic Twitter history.
[Link: news.gather.com...]
Dude.
you found a nut!
| 365 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:27:21pm |
re: #363 Stanley Sea
the ad company which sold the space is exceedingly questionable, too
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researchok Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:27:37pm |
Any discussion about abortion has to take into consideration both the mother and child first.
Politics and religious ideologies are not of primary concern.
Someone I know (a person of great faith) once remarked on abortion, "If that is the worst thing a woman does in her life, she has nothing to worry about".
| 367 |
Alaska Kim Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:28:16pm |
ok, folks, to make myself clear... i am mainly talking about women who use abortion as a form of birth control, and there are millions of them out there. too lazy to use birth control in the first place, get pregnant and abort the baby out of convenience.
| 369 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:30:17pm |
re: #360 researchok
How about this as a starting point:
Abortion- safe, legal and rare.
"Safe" and "legal" is a must in an enlightened, modern society. I'll leave the "rare" up to those who must make the decision.
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researchok Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:32:02pm |
re: #369 Slumbering Behemoth
"Safe" and "legal" is a must in an enlightened, modern society. I'll leave the "rare" up to those who must make the decision.
The better the sex and relationship education, the fewer abortions.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:32:02pm |
the smoke from AZ has rolled over the valley again here in ABQ, a thick, pungent brew of nature and man made stuff...it's choking, but the sunsets are so bizarre
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:32:03pm |
re: #357 Alaska Kim
Because he's the biological father, and has rights under the law because of that.
You can't unilaterally give a child up for adoption without consent of the other parent.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:32:31pm |
re: #367 Alaska Kim
ok, folks, to make myself clear... i am mainly talking about women who use abortion as a form of birth control, and there are millions of them out there. too lazy to use birth control in the first place, get pregnant and abort the baby out of convenience.
Millions who are lazy. Link?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:32:48pm |
re: #367 Alaska Kim
ok, folks, to make myself clear... i am mainly talking about women who use abortion as a form of birth control, and there are millions of them out there. too lazy to use birth control in the first place, get pregnant and abort the baby out of convenience.
In my nearly forty years on this planet, I have met only one such woman. And I have met many women.
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Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:33:58pm |
re: #360 researchok
How about this as a starting point:
Abortion- safe, legal and rare.
That's a fine sentiment, but that's not the way it is.
Safe, legal and happening every second.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:34:05pm |
re: #374 Slumbering Behemoth
In my nearly forty years on this planet, I have met only one such woman. And I have met many women.
of course not, they are not in your socio/economic strata
| 378 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:34:52pm |
re: #370 researchok
The better the sex and relationship education, the fewer abortions.
Yup. And the same folks that want to ban abortion are also the ones that want to ban comprehensive sex-ed.
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:34:53pm |
re: #367 Alaska Kim
Lazy.
Yeah.
That must be it.
Not uneducated or forbidden to use it by their parents or afraid to buy it because someone will think they're a slut, not coerced into not using it by a boyfriend.
Lazy.
That must be it.
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jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:34:56pm |
Guttmacher Institute:
“That abortion is becoming increasingly concentrated among poor women suggests the need for better contraceptive access and family planning counseling. It certainly appears these women are being underserved,” says study author Rachel K. Jones. “Antiabortion restrictions and cuts to publicly funded family planning services disproportionately affect poor women, making it even more difficult for them to gain access to the contraceptive and abortion services they need.”
[Link: www.guttmacher.org...]
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:35:08pm |
re: #372 Obdicut
Because he's the biological father, and has rights under the law because of that.
You can't unilaterally give a child up for adoption without consent of the other parent.
Are you sure the law doesn't make exceptions? It just seems to be that would be written into the law.
| 382 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:36:07pm |
re: #375 Alaska Kim
that's one too many.
On that we can agree, but I regard your claim of "millions" to be bogus.
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researchok Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:36:29pm |
re: #381 EmmmieG
Are you sure the law doesn't make exceptions? It just seems to be that would be written into the law.
Well, it bears mentioning that a father who might face criminal prosecution is unlikely to demand his parental rights.
Or would even want to.
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:36:42pm |
re: #381 EmmmieG
Oh, you're talking about rapists who actually get successfully prosecuted? That's like 2% of rapists, so I was more talking about the average rapist, who never gets convicted.
I don't know about people actually convicted for rape. They're not the biggest problem.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:37:47pm |
re: #383 researchok
Well, it bears mentioning that a father who might face criminal prosecution is unlikely to demand his parental rights.
Or would even want to.
For that.
The squid who fathered my nephew (owner of the lost phone, as a matter of fact), asserted his rights immediately after birth, blocking the intended adoption.
He was out on parole for, I think, drug dealing.
| 387 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:38:20pm |
re: #377 albusteve
of course not, they are not in your socio/economic strata
I'm not even sure what my socio/economic strata is, so I highly doubt you could know.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:38:58pm |
re: #379 Obdicut
Lazy.
Yeah.
That must be it.
Not uneducated or forbidden to use it by their parents or afraid to buy it because someone will think they're a slut, not coerced into not using it by a boyfriend.
Lazy.
That must be it.
yeah right...you have it
nice try
| 389 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:39:09pm |
re: #383 researchok
Well, it bears mentioning that a father who might face criminal prosecution is unlikely to demand his parental rights.
Or would even want to.
Uh, no, that's not right at all.
Rape is about control. If a rapist knows that his victim was forced to bear his child, the chances are very good that he will take every opportunity to torment both of them, as long as he possibly can.
| 390 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:39:21pm |
re: #383 researchok
Well, it bears mentioning that a father who might face criminal prosecution is unlikely to demand his parental rights.
Or would even want to.
There are just enough, rare, cases of birth-parents who have changed their minds to keep my son from adopting.
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researchok Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:39:29pm |
re: #386 EmmmieG
For that.
The squid who fathered my nephew (owner of the lost phone, as a matter of fact), asserted his rights immediately after birth, blocking the intended adoption.
He was out on parole for, I think, drug dealing.
I hope family and friends took care of that.
(I know, I know, I'm a cretin. I'm also the father of a daughter.)
| 392 |
freetoken Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:39:41pm |
re: #371 albusteve
...it's choking, but the sunsets are so bizarre
It's because you're in the Tribulation, and the End is coming in October... hope you're ready...:
The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red...
Channeling my inner Harold Camping
| 393 |
Kragar Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:40:00pm |
And its begun,
Romney draws early fire from conservatives over views on climate change
Romney’s reviews from the right are not positive. His views about climate change in particular put him at odds with many in his party’s base.“Bye-bye, nomination,” Rush Limbaugh said Tuesday on his radio talk show after playing a clip of Romney’s climate remark. “Another one down. We’re in the midst here of discovering that this is all a hoax. The last year has established that the whole premise of man-made global warming is a hoax and we still have presidential candidates that want to buy into it.”
Then came the Club for Growth, which issued a white paper criticizing Romney. “Governor Romney’s regulatory record as governor contains some flaws,” the report said, “including a significant one — his support of ‘global warming’ policies.”
And Conservatives4Palin.com, a blog run by some of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin’s more active supporters, posted an item charging that Romney is “simpatico” with President Obama after he “totally bought into the man-made global warming hoax.”
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:40:50pm |
re: #391 researchok
I hope family and friends took care of that.
(I know, I know, I'm a cretin. I'm also the father of a daughter.)
My sister's husband took care of it two years later when they talked the squid into giving up his rights (I think it was the money, actually) so that husband could adopt.
Yes, she probably could have severed his rights eventually, with his record, but by then the baby would have been 3 months old, and she knew that she wouldn't be able to by then.
| 395 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:40:54pm |
re: #392 freetoken
It's because you're in the Tribulation, and the End is coming in October... hope you're ready...:
Channeling my inner Harold Camping
drop kick me Jesus through the goalposts of life....I'm ready
| 396 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:41:30pm |
re: #367 Alaska Kim
ok, folks, to make myself clear... i am mainly talking about women who use abortion as a form of birth control, and there are millions of them out there. too lazy to use birth control in the first place, get pregnant and abort the baby out of convenience.
Yes of course. There are far too many women out there who enjoy carrying a fetus for 8 or 10 weeks, then go through the pleasure of abortion, because they simply can't bear the pain of a condom, or other form of preventative birth control.
Sorry, I know that reeked of the theatre of the absurd, but the meme you repeated, and whether you meant it that way or not, the way the anti-abortionists present the argument strongly implies that attitude. I would suggest you ignore the propaganda you've heard and research the numbers of women that use abortion as a form of birth control. I suspect you'll find the numbers are much lower than you've been told.
| 397 |
jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:41:40pm |
re: #390 Decatur Deb
You can tell him Texas has become a pretty adoption-friendly state because the laws are pretty clear about cessation of the birth parents' rights. (I have four children, three adopted in Texas).
| 398 |
researchok Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:41:41pm |
re: #389 Charles
Uh, no, that's not right at all.
Rape is about control. If a rapist knows that his victim was forced to bear his child, the chances are very good that he will take every opportunity to torment both of them, as long as he possibly can.
Yes, I know that happens, especially when the victim knows her attacker.
But in the case of strangers who might face serious jail time, I suspect that isn't as common.
That said, I have to look up the numbers.
| 399 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:42:12pm |
re: #351 Charles
Why would you encourage your daughter to carry a rapist's baby?
You do understand that this would mean your daughter would be compelled to have a relationship with her rapist, for the rest of her life, right?
Do you really think this is healthy?
That's a matter of choice.
| 400 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:42:18pm |
re: #393 kragar (proud to be kafir)
And its begun,
Romney draws early fire from conservatives over views on climate change
Any word on what those same dorks think of Gingrich?
| 401 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:42:27pm |
re: #395 albusteve
drop kick me Jesus through the goalposts of life...I'm ready
Sorry, but "Touchdown Jesus" got hit by lightning and burned up last year.
| 402 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:42:51pm |
re: #375 Alaska Kim
that's one too many.
Your answer is to double down, rather than question your own numbers?
| 404 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:44:07pm |
re: #397 jaunte
You can tell him Texas has become a pretty adoption-friendly state because the laws are pretty clear about cessation of the birth parents' rights. (I have four children, three adopted in Texas).
We tried to talk him into going foreign, but he said he couldn't manage the (exaggerated) risk. They tried in vitro until their money and health gave out.
| 405 |
Obdicut Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:44:21pm |
re: #398 researchok
Yeah. But those who actually get convicted of rape are a minuscule percentage of the total rapists.
| 406 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:44:25pm |
re: #396 b_sharp
Yes of course. There are far too many women out there who enjoy carrying a fetus for 8 or 10 weeks, then go through the pleasure of abortion, because they simply can't bear the pain of a condom, or other form of preventative birth control.
Sorry, I know that reeked of the theatre of the absurd, but the meme you repeated, and whether you meant it that way or not, the way the anti-abortionists present the argument strongly implies that attitude. I would suggest you ignore the propaganda you've heard and research the numbers of women that use abortion as a form of birth control. I suspect you'll find the numbers are much lower than you've been told.
if you don't think that a high percentage of over 4m abortions are due to poor or no judgement at all, avoidable, and are last minute desperation abortions, then you are naive
| 407 |
freetoken Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:44:26pm |
That song is claimed to be the " only Christian football waltz". Gee, I wonder why...
| 408 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:44:30pm |
re: #381 EmmmieG
Are you sure the law doesn't make exceptions? It just seems to be that would be written into the law.
Probably not a law in itself, but a reasonable interpretation of existing laws.
| 409 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:44:50pm |
| 410 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:45:07pm |
re: #395 albusteve
drop kick me Jesus through the goalposts of life...I'm ready
Scott Norwood is envious.
| 411 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:45:21pm |
re: #404 Decatur Deb
We tried to talk him into going foreign, but he said he couldn't manage the (exaggerated) risk. They tried in vitro until their money and health gave out.
A good friend has four adopted children who were obviously foster children. They're beautiful.
| 412 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:45:22pm |
re: #403 freetoken
heh, I was trying to think of that cats name but couldn't recall
| 413 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:47:14pm |
re: #386 EmmmieG
For that.
The squid who fathered my nephew (owner of the lost phone, as a matter of fact), asserted his rights immediately after birth, blocking the intended adoption.
He was out on parole for, I think, drug dealing.
I'd be extra careful next time you pass a group of cephalopods if I were you.
| 414 |
researchok Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:47:29pm |
re: #405 Obdicut
Yeah. But those who actually get convicted of rape are a minuscule percentage of the total rapists.
I'm not talking about convictions.
I was referring to those who would want to avoid prosecution.
| 415 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:47:56pm |
Almost 1400 retweets on the previous post.
Breitbart droogs are raging at me on Twitter.
| 416 |
jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:48:38pm |
re: #404 Decatur Deb
We agreed to take older-than-infant children, siblings, and some health problems, and the adoption agencies suddenly were beating a path to the door; the whole process took a little more than ten months, though the foster mother (in a little North Texas town called Rockwall) was able to slow it down some because we weren't Christians.
| 417 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:49:43pm |
re: #415 Charles
Almost 1400 retweets on the previous post.
Breitbart droogs are raging at me on Twitter.
SHIELDS UP!
| 418 |
TedStriker Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:50:42pm |
re: #180 Charles
I'm not going to throw smartass b.s. jokes at you, but I might challenge you to think.
Do you actually believe the earth was created exactly in its present form, 6,000 years ago?
And if so, how do you explain the extensive fossil record?
*grabs popcorn*
| 419 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:50:49pm |
re: #415 Charles
..snip
Breitbart droogs are raging at me on Twitter.
That's pretty much the definition of 21st Cent futility.
| 420 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:50:59pm |
Well, I'm almost done baking tiaras, and then I've promised the princess she can have the computer to finish her parody of a romance novel story.
| 424 |
A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:51:51pm |
re: #411 EmmmieG
A good friend has four adopted children who were obviously foster children. They're beautiful.
Nice post.. I was adopted when I turned 12...Foster homes and dysfunctional relatives changed my life..I have stories...
/I'm the luckiest guy in the world..
| 425 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:52:20pm |
re: #406 albusteve
if you don't think that a high percentage of over 4m abortions are due to poor or no judgement at all, avoidable, and are last minute desperation abortions, then you are naive
The implication of the meme as stated is an intentional use of abortion as a replacement for birth control. The scenarios you described don't fit the meme.
Read what I said Steve.
| 426 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:52:42pm |
| 427 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:53:15pm |
re: #404 Decatur Deb
We tried to talk him into going foreign, but he said he couldn't manage the (exaggerated) risk. They tried in vitro until their money and health gave out.
We adopted from Vietnam rather than go through the insanely expensive and nasty mess that is invitro. It still caused us to have to go through bankruptcy, but we have a wonderful boy who is worth the universe.
| 428 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:53:52pm |
re: #416 jaunte
We agreed to take older-than-infant children, siblings, and some health problems, and the adoption agencies suddenly were beating a path to the door; the whole process took a little more than ten months, though the foster mother (in a little North Texas town called Rockwall) was able to slow it down some because we weren't Christians.
This is me rolling my eyes.
| 429 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:53:59pm |
re: #425 b_sharp
The implication of the meme as stated is an intentional use of abortion as a replacement for birth control. The scenarios you described don't fit the meme.
Read what I said Steve.
I did...you read what she said
| 430 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:54:54pm |
An early fact check on Breitbart's defense....
@AnthonyCumia
It was fucking @JimNorton behind all this shit. Andrew said he told him there were no cameras. There are 20 cams in any room at any moment!
For those who are unfamiliar with the show: this is Jim Norton...
| 431 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:54:55pm |
re: #134 Alaska Kim
I think you are speaking of the Koran.
Some people here may think you're a "nice person," but that's really beside the point.
When you have to denigrate someone else's holy text (the Quran) merely to validate your own--all the while playing the victim because some people here joked about your anti-evolution views--well, then you're not just a religious bigot, but a hypocrite too.
| 432 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:54:56pm |
Well, that was the last batch of tiaras, and I will see you all later.
| 433 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:55:15pm |
re: #424 HoosierHoops
Nice post.. I was adopted when I turned 12...Foster homes and dysfunctional relatives changed my life..I have stories...
/I'm the luckiest guy in the world..
My wife and her siblings have stories about foster homes that would curl your toes.
| 434 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:56:12pm |
re: #431 palomino
Some people here may think you're a "nice person," but that's really beside the point.
When you have to denigrate someone else's holy text (the Quran) merely to validate your own--all the while playing the victim because some people here joked about your anti-evolution views--well, then you're not just a religious bigot, but a hypocrite too.
is the Koran fantasy or not?
| 435 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:56:21pm |
re: #416 jaunte
Well, if you weren't Christians, then it makes perfect sense that it took that long. You know, with all the perfection in Christian households.
///
| 436 |
jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:56:39pm |
re: #428 b_sharp
It was very annoying. The bureaucrats involved wound up calling us to a meeting where they threatened to keep the girls in foster care instead of letting the adoption proceed if we complained over their heads any more about the delays. (This was after the girls had been told we were to adopt them).
| 437 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:58:05pm |
re: #429 albusteve
I did...you read what she said
"i am mainly talking about women who use abortion as a form of birth control, and there are millions of them out there."
I did.
| 438 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:58:40pm |
| 439 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:58:47pm |
| 440 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 7:59:25pm |
Two of my cousins were adopted. Neither of them looked anything like any of the rest of us. It took them maybe about 15 secs to be fully 'cousins' and loved as such by all of us. They are both mothers and one is now a grandmother. All of the kids are cousins too, but removed once or twice, or however that works. Know what I mean?
Love is where you find it.
| 441 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:01:52pm |
re: #438 palomino
no more or less than the bible i reckon.
one person here calls the Koran fantasy as opposed to thousands of posts claiming the same for the Bible, yet you attack her on this point?...who's the hypocrite?
| 442 |
Obdicut Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:01:55pm |
re: #414 researchok
I'm not talking about convictions.
I was referring to those who would want to avoid prosecution.
Sure. But, again-- a vast majority don't even get reported. Most of the reported ones wind up with no conviction.
| 443 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:02:16pm |
And here is Breitbart, who now claims he didn't know there were cameras in the room, passing his phone around the studio with a hand held camera three feet in front of him....
Breitbart Shares Weiner's Explicit Photo with Opie & Anthony and Vincent D'Onofrio
| 444 |
TedStriker Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:02:47pm |
re: #311 Alaska Kim
if it was my daughter, i would encourage her to have the baby and give it up for adoption. rape is not the baby's fault.
It's not the girl's fault either...and you want to make them carry a baby they shouldn't be carrying to begin with for 9 months and agonize about all that entails?
That IS bullshit...
| 445 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:02:50pm |
Wow, the Breitbart fact-checking post is taking off. Almost 1600 retweets.
| 446 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:04:36pm |
re: #445 Charles
Wow, the Breitbart fact-checking post is taking off. Almost 1600 retweets.
See #443. They didn't even nag him, he passed the phone around the room voluntarily.
| 447 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:05:19pm |
re: #443 Killgore Trout
And here is Breitbart, who now claims he didn't know there were cameras in the room, passing his phone around the studio with a hand held camera three feet in front of him...
Breitbart Shares Weiner's Explicit Photo with Opie & Anthony and Vincent D'Onofrio[Video]
Oh, wow. I am loving this. Breitbart has killed his chance at credibility.
| 448 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:05:28pm |
re: #441 albusteve
one person here calls the Koran fantasy as opposed to thousands of posts claiming the same for the Bible, yet you attack her on this point?...who's the hypocrite?
because she's saying the koran sucksas opposed to the bible, which she loves.
i'm not responsible for "thousands of posts" by other people here, but the ones i've read here who criticize the bible are secularists who criticize ALL religious texts, not play the "my god is better than your god" game.
| 449 |
TedStriker Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:05:48pm |
re: #363 Stanley Sea
This was tweeted by Roger Ebert.
Greg Fultz, the New Mexico man who took out a billboard to shame his ex-girlfriend for allegedly having an abortion, has a violent, almost psychotic Twitter history.
[Link: news.gather.com...]
Dude.
re: #364 albusteve
you found a nut!
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't...
/Almond Joy
| 450 |
Kragar Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:07:21pm |
re: #447 Charles
Oh, wow. I am loving this. Breitbart has killed his chance at credibility.
I can just imagine him
"Don't fuck this up... don't fuck this up... don't...FUCK!!!"
| 451 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:07:52pm |
re: #436 jaunte
Because nothing spells "stability" like "delay."
//
| 452 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:07:54pm |
re: #443 Killgore Trout
And here is Breitbart, who now claims he didn't know there were cameras in the room, passing his phone around the studio with a hand held camera three feet in front of him...
Breitbart Shares Weiner's Explicit Photo with Opie & Anthony and Vincent D'Onofrio[Video]
What kind of distribution is this video getting?
| 453 |
engineer cat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:08:52pm |
Breitbart droogs are raging
if all the words could, finally, carry out your pain to a full blown high church funeral
and you could relax at last and take a look around you
and see where the sunlight really lands
and how cats land so lightly on the tabletop
if all the words could change your life, restart your marriage, fix what happened in high school
well maybe they would all be worth it
but as it is they only cover things up
paper over the obvious, twist reality like a swizzle stick
stirring up the poison who put that in your drink? what? huh?
and in the meantime the man in the suit has picked your biscuits, buddy
| 454 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:09:02pm |
re: #448 palomino
because she's saying the koran sucksas opposed to the bible, which she loves.
i'm not responsible for "thousands of posts" by other people here, but the ones i've read here who criticize the bible are secularists who criticize ALL religious texts, not play the "my god is better than your god" game.
get outa here...your anal fight picking is tiresome...the "my god is better than you god" meme is discussed here all the time in one form or another...and she didn't say it sucked, she said it was fantasy, which you agreed with...what drivel
| 455 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:10:07pm |
re: #430 Killgore Trout
An early fact check on Breitbart's defense...
@AnthonyCumia
For those who are unfamiliar with the show: this is Jim Norton...[Video]
A trustworthy source?
It's blasphemy, what he's doing with that burrito.
| 456 |
SidewaysQuark Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:10:26pm |
re: #74 zora
i read somewhere that only about 40% of americans believe in evolution. kim is not an anomaly.
anecdotally that number matches up to the people i know personally.
Some days, I'm surprised that only 60% of people are that ignorant.
| 458 |
jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:14:06pm |
re: #451 Kid A
With those particular state employees, job protection was job #1, and they would punish the kids if that was what it took to protect their reputations.
Luckily my son was a private placement; that was a breeze.
| 459 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:14:26pm |
re: #443 Killgore Trout
And here is Breitbart, who now claims he didn't know there were cameras in the room, passing his phone around the studio with a hand held camera three feet in front of him...
Breitbart Shares Weiner's Explicit Photo with Opie & Anthony and Vincent D'Onofrio[Video]
LOL. Is Andy jealous of Weiner's package?
| 460 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:15:09pm |
| 461 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:16:01pm |
re: #454 albusteve
get outa here...your anal fight picking is tiresome...the "my god is better than you god" meme is discussed here all the time in one form or another...and she didn't say it sucked, she said it was fantasy, which you agreed with...what drivel
why should i give a flying fuck what you find tiresome? if the discourse here isn't what you want, go somewhere else.
and yes, when you call someone else's holy text "fantasy" and call your own the "truth", then you're essentially saying it sucks.
| 462 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:17:35pm |
re: #461 palomino
why should i give a flying fuck what you find tiresome? if the discourse here isn't what you want, go somewhere else.
and yes, when you call someone else's holy text "fantasy" and call your own the "truth", then you're essentially saying it sucks.
so what?...why is that so important to you?...do you ever express a positive vibe or is friction your juice?
| 463 |
Targetpractice Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:17:50pm |
re: #460 albusteve
the Great Weiner War Of 2011
Yeah, it was a huge war. Things kept getting harder and harder, but finally the climax came and things slowly wilted. Some found satisfaction, others only humiliation at not rising to the challenge.
///
| 464 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:18:00pm |
re: #458 jaunte
Adoption is the highest expression of love and sacrifice.
| 465 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:19:20pm |
re: #464 Kid A
Adoption is the highest expression of love and sacrifice.
thought that was eating my ex's cooking...
| 466 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:19:37pm |
re: #462 albusteve
so what?...why is that so important to you?...do you ever express a positive vibe or is friction your juice?
why is anything important to anyone?
i'll try and use your posts as a model for the "positive vibe" I should apparently be striving for.
| 467 |
SidewaysQuark Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:20:16pm |
re: #158 Decatur Deb
I like to contribute to arguments between hard-core fundamentalists and hard-core atheists. Mostly I like to contribute broken beer bottles.
Hehe.
They're always fun fights. One side has the advantage of logic, facts, evidence and research, and the other side has the advantage of being completely immune to logic, facts, evidence and research.
| 468 |
jaunte Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:21:32pm |
re: #464 Kid A
Thanks; we just did want we needed to do to have a family. In real life we're making just as many mistakes as the next set of parents.
| 469 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:21:33pm |
re: #466 palomino
why is anything important to anyone?
i'll try and use your posts as a model for the "positive vibe" I should apparently be striving for.
don't use me, figure it out for yourself...you are hours behind the curve
| 471 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:22:57pm |
re: #467 SidewaysQuark
Hehe.
They're always fun fights. One side has the advantage of logic, facts, evidence and research, and the other side has the advantage of being completely immune to logic, facts, evidence and research.
Ain't that the truth.
| 472 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:23:27pm |
I'll be forty soon (July), and I don't have any kids, but if I get to forty-three and I'm still "without," I'll adopt. As a matter of fact, I always wanted to adopt even if I had kids. I think it would be wonderful to give a child a chance; a stable household with love and support regardless of race, etc.
| 473 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:25:04pm |
re: #469 albusteve
don't use me, figure it out for yourself...you are hours behind the curve
it was sarcasm, mr grumpy...of course i won't use you, i'll leave that to others...LOL, talk of curves is so 1998
| 474 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:25:35pm |
re: #472 Kid A
I'll be forty soon (July), and I don't have any kids, but if I get to forty-three and I'm still "without," I'll adopt. As a matter of fact, I always wanted to adopt even if I had kids. I think it would be wonderful to give a child a chance; a stable household with love and support regardless of race, etc.
you can do most of that without adopting
| 475 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:26:40pm |
re: #473 palomino
it was sarcasm, mr grumpy...of course i won't use you, i'll leave that to others...LOL, talk of curves is so 1998
hey, I still think the best cars ever made were from 1968
| 476 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:28:44pm |
re: #467 SidewaysQuark
Hehe.
They're always fun fights. One side has the advantage of logic, facts, evidence and research, and the other side has the advantage of being completely immune to logic, facts, evidence and research.
Both sides are blind men describing a land they have not seen.
| 477 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:29:46pm |
re: #475 albusteve
hey, I still think the best cars ever made were from 1968
certainly not from 1982...that's when i got my first car--a camaro, biggest piece of shit i ever drove...a V-8 with 145 hp and always breaking down, what a joke...i'm sure 68 was a better year
| 478 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:30:11pm |
re: #476 Decatur Deb
Both sides are blind men describing a land they have not seen.
One of those lands is lacking a lot of claimed evidence, while the other has a lot of indirect evidence.
| 479 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:32:37pm |
re: #477 palomino
certainly not from 1982...that's when i got my first car--a camaro, biggest piece of shit i ever drove...a V-8 with 145 hp and always breaking down, what a joke...i'm sure 68 was a better year
1970 SS had 300hp.
1970 Z28 had 360hp.
| 480 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:32:39pm |
re: #477 palomino
certainly not from 1982...that's when i got my first car--a camaro, biggest piece of shit i ever drove...a V-8 with 145 hp and always breaking down, what a joke...i'm sure 68 was a better year
by 68 they all had it figured out, a few years after that the feds shut it all down...I have a passion for old time speed and power...in other words, I'm an antique
| 481 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:32:56pm |
A Breitbart haiku...
Been wrong for so long,
Here's my chance to show I'm real,
Cock photos for sale!!!
| 483 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:35:13pm |
re: #479 b_sharp
1970 SS had 300hp.
1970 Z28 had 360hp.
those were the days. the 1982 camaro looked great, but it was a total dog in performance.
| 484 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:35:22pm |
re: #479 b_sharp
1970 SS had 300hp.
1970 Z28 had 360hp.
basically my knowledge stops after 1969...in that year and those previous the Z 302 was about 400hp...the 292 hp was a fraud perped on the feds...of course when you beat on that little 302 for all she was worth, they popped
| 485 |
engineer cat Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:37:08pm |
only about 40% of americans believe in evolution
just think of how it will be written about in the future after all in all historical periods the past is refusing to die out at the same time that the future is irrepressibly aborning
we just happen to have to be living through it
| 486 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:37:24pm |
re: #484 albusteve
basically my knowledge stops after 1969...in that year and those previous the Z 302 was about 400hp...the 292 hp was a fraud perped on the feds...of course when you beat on that little 302 for all she was worth, they popped
The numbers started to go down in 1971 as the weight went up.
| 487 |
SidewaysQuark Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:37:58pm |
re: #476 Decatur Deb
Both sides are blind men describing a land they have not seen.
When it comes to the question of whether God (in any vague notion or concept) exists at all, I'd tend to agree with that. No one really knows.
As to the question of whether or not evolution is the process through which life developed on earth, though, the case is a slam dunk against the hardcore fundamentalists. Like I said, they're just "immune" to the answers, though. Hallelujah, or something.
| 488 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:38:07pm |
re: #480 albusteve
by 68 they all had it figured out, a few years after that the feds shut it all down...I have a passion for old time speed and power...in other words, I'm an antique
you should meet my older brother...he's got two SSR's and two SIX cylinder motorcycles from the 70's...with all the near misses over the years from his insane driving, he and I are both lucky to be alive...he almost killed me on a houston freeway when i was 15 and riding on the back of his CBX and he suddenly gunned it up to 100...reckless asshole, but i still love him
| 489 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:38:24pm |
you might be a year too soon for a couple of really nice ones- '69 Z28 was about the pinnacle- '69 Mustang were fantastic as well- after that, downhill.
| 490 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:38:53pm |
re: #482 Kid A
I didn't ask for your fucking input.
so what have you done for wayward children otherwise?...I've had a bank account in Jamaica for 20 years to help take care of the kids up and down Fig Tree Hill, Whitehouse, Westmoreland, Jamaica...what's your gig?
| 491 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:41:32pm |
re: #486 b_sharp
The numbers started to go down in 1971 as the weight went up.
everybody stepped in to shut down the muscle car business...especially the EPA and their regs...it was time tho, but it lives on via my family and many more like us...there will always be drag racing and hotrods
| 492 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:42:29pm |
re: #488 palomino
you should meet my older brother...he's got two SSR's and two SIX cylinder motorcycles from the 70's...with all the near misses over the years from his insane driving, he and I are both lucky to be alive...he almost killed me on a houston freeway when i was 15 and riding on the back of his CBX and he suddenly gunned it up to 100...reckless asshole, but i still love him
he has passion...speed and power is intoxicating
| 493 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:43:33pm |
re: #441 albusteve
one person here calls the Koran fantasy as opposed to thousands of posts claiming the same for the Bible, yet you attack her on this point?...who's the hypocrite?
I don't care for any of it. I think too many people around here act the same way about atheism that the kids handing out Bibles on campus do about Christianity.
That said, most of them are related to someone who take the Bible as holy text.
The crap notions floating around about the Koran are crap. Trying to throw it into the balance would only make sense if the people moaning about the Bible were Muslims. Which they are not.
| 494 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:45:09pm |
re: #487 SidewaysQuark
When it comes to the question of whether God (in any vague notion or concept) exists at all, I'd tend to agree with that. No one really knows.
As to the question of whether or not evolution is the process through which life developed on earth, though, the case is a slam dunk against the hardcore fundamentalists. Like I said, they're just "immune" to the answers, though. Hallelujah, or something.
Evolution is an (incomplete) slam dunk--even the rational religious have incorporated it. For the rest, who knows?
| 495 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:45:19pm |
re: #492 albusteve
he has passion...speed and power is intoxicating
yes, but speed and power combined with intoxicants can be lethal...it took him until he was in his 40's to figure that out...and they call ME the baby of the family
| 496 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:47:06pm |
re: #490 albusteve
That was rude of me, and I think what you are doing in Jamaica is wonderful. Don't you think it's a little obvious to say that I could do what you said without adopting? Once again, my apologies. It just struck a nerve.
| 498 |
b_sharp Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:50:09pm |
re: #495 palomino
yes, but speed and power combined with intoxicants can be lethal...it took him until he was in his 40's to figure that out...and they call ME the baby of the family
My younger brother just about killed himself several times through excessive speed in his car and his motorcycle. He succeeded in 2001 on a snowmobile doing 60mph into a telephone pole used as a fence post.
I like speed, but I try to temper that with thinking.
| 499 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:50:51pm |
re: #496 Kid A
That was rude of me, and I think what you are doing in Jamaica is wonderful. Don't you think it's a little obvious to say that I could do what you said without adopting? Once again, my apologies. It just struck a nerve.
no big deal...once I had money
your time will come if you want
| 500 |
palomino Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:52:44pm |
re: #498 b_sharp
My younger brother just about killed himself several times through excessive speed in his car and his motorcycle. He succeeded in 2001 on a snowmobile doing 60mph into a telephone pole used as a fence post.
I like speed, but I try to temper that with thinking.
Sorry to hear about that.
It all seems like fun til someone gets hurt. It seems like most of my peers who I've known who died did so in some vehicular accident--car, snowmobile, water skiing.
| 501 |
SidewaysQuark Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:52:45pm |
re: #494 Decatur Deb
Evolution is an (incomplete) slam dunk--even the rational religious have incorporated it. For the rest, who knows?
Well, evolution (and every other scientific concept, theory and law) will ALWAYS be incomplete. (Not a bad thing - keeps scientists in a job :-) )
I don't take issue with the 'rational religious' type. I don't think freedom could survive without them. In fact, I find the decline of this particular demographic category quite worrysome.
| 502 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:53:40pm |
re: #499 albusteve
Actually, I appreciate it. I'm close to debt free, and should contribute in some manner.
| 503 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:55:28pm |
Oh, and Steve- what does the "albu" prefix mean?
| 505 |
albusteve Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:56:54pm |
re: #503 Kid A
Oh, and Steve- what does the "albu" prefix mean?
Albuquerque...
find some kid down the block and help take care of him, that's enough and it's all it takes
| 506 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 8:57:22pm |
re: #501 SidewaysQuark
Whoa!!! Rush says there's no consensus in science!!!
//
| 507 |
SidewaysQuark Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:01:44pm |
re: #506 Kid A
Whoa!!! Rush says there's no consensus in science!!!
//
Rush is the Homer Simpson of talk radio - he gets dumber with each passing year.
| 508 |
Turkey Jihad Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:02:23pm |
So by Rush's rationale, those that say the earth is flat have a valid argument, right?? Answer that one, you smarty pants, liberal "scientists"!!!
/
| 509 |
The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:08:45pm |
re: #406 albusteve
if you don't think that a high percentage of over 4m abortions are due to poor or no judgement at all, avoidable, and are last minute desperation abortions, then you are naive
I'll accept your premise when you can measure poor judgement a quantifiable terms.
..and filter genuine poor personal judgement from environmental effects like insufficient or no sexual education, base failure rate of contraceptives, unintentional error resulting in improper use of contraceptives....
...but you'd also have to create a cross-factor analysis for poor restraint exercised by all varieties of rapists, all situations in which a man can lie about being safe for whatever motive, and all situations in which social connections can be used to coerce a woman into unsafe sex.
...and you'd also need a force-multiplication variable for desperation that measured contextual factors that affect timing and capacity for pursuit of an abortion: you know, everything a woman experiences that might frighten her, mislead her, shame her, threaten her with physical harm, threaten her with spiritual damnation, or threaten her with ostracism.
So yeah.
| 510 |
Capitalist Tool Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:09:51pm |
re: #506 Kid A
Whoa!!! Rush says there's no consensus in science!!!
//
not quite, I think he says that consensus is not science
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