Fed Chief Bernanke Warns GOP: Stop Holding Debt Ceiling Hostage

‘Self-defeating’
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Today, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke made another (probably futile) appeal to the Republican Party to stop holding the debt ceiling hostage.

“I fully understand the desire to use the debt limit deadline to force some necessary and difficult fiscal policy adjustments, but the debt limit is the wrong tool for that important job,” the Federal Reserve chairman said at the annual conference for the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget in D.C. on Tuesday.

Republicans have recently tried to tie a debt ceiling increase to spending cuts, as well as completely unrelated proposals.

But if the debt ceiling is not raised, Bernanke said, the United States would be forced to stop payments on some of its existing obligations, possibly including Social Security and military pay.
The creditworthiness of the United States would be called into question and the financial markets could be severely disrupted, Bernanke said.

Failing to raise the debt ceiling in a timely way would be self-defeating if the objective is to chart a course toward a better fiscal situation for our nation,” he said.

But it wouldn’t be self-defeating if the intent is to deliberately crash the economy for political advantage. Is this what the GOP is doing? I’d hate to think so, but this question is becoming more and more relevant.

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121 comments
1 allegro  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:44:50pm
But it wouldn’t be self-defeating if the intent is to deliberately crash the economy for political advantage. Is this what the GOP is doing?

Yes.

I’d hate to think so, but this question is becoming more and more relevant.

You are clearly much more generous than I.

2 Opal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:49:26pm

Elmendorf testified today:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I'm pretty sure that the Republicans aren't going to stop this craziness until rich people get on the phone to tell them to back off because this is affecting their investments. Nothing else will matter. Nothing.

3 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:50:35pm

The days of the GOP paying attention to fiscal responsibility are dead.

4 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:52:10pm

The funny thing is that a real hard-core 60s marxist would love to see them pull the temple down around their ears.

5 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:52:36pm

Cue Luap Nor screaming about ending the Fed in 3...2...1...

6 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:53:08pm

re: #4 Decatur Deb

The funny thing is that a real hard-core 60s marxist would love to see them pull the temple down around their ears.

"Bitches set us up..."

7 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:53:37pm

It's hard as hell to take the GOP's calls for "fiscal responsibility" seriously when they just got done passing a $690 billion defense spending bill. So much for "everything on the table."

8 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:54:31pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's hard as hell to take the GOP's calls for "fiscal responsibility" seriously when they just got done passing a $690 billion defense spending bill. So much for "everything on the table."

peanuts, mere peanuts

9 eastsider  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:54:53pm

Fun fact: One of the first things that will happen if we default is a rise in our interest rates (due to a lowered rating on our debt). This will instantly increase the deficit, which seems to be the #1 enemy of Republicans these days.

10 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:56:06pm

re: #9 eastsider

Fun fact: One of the first things that will happen if we default is a rise in our interest rates (due to a lowered rating on our debt). This will instantly increase the deficit, which seems to be the #1 enemy of Republicans these days.

No--the President is the #1 enemy of the Republicans. Waterloo.

11 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:56:11pm

A Trillion here, a trillion there and pretty soon you're talking real money.
(Apologies to the late Sen. Everett Dirksen)

12 eastsider  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:56:31pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's hard as hell to take the GOP's calls for "fiscal responsibility" seriously when they just got done passing a $690 billion defense spending bill. So much for "everything on the table."

And meanwhile they're railing against medicare as inefficient and wasteful.

Which is fine since the military is 100% on the ball with its spending.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

/yikes

13 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:56:45pm

re: #9 eastsider

Yep. Defaulting on any portion of the debt will drive up the debt enormously, just like if you default on your credit cards, you're going to have your credit score sunk and have to pay a ton on any new loans.

Unless somehow we magically never borrow any money again.

14 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:57:19pm

I wonder who will blink?

15 eastsider  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:57:50pm

re: #10 Decatur Deb

No--the President is the #1 enemy of the Republicans. Waterloo.

I agree with that. I wish they asked last night:

"Name one policy of President Obama's that you agree with, and describe how you might advance this position further."

Would have exposed the fact that they're in this for power as its own end, and not, you know, actual leading.

16 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:58:50pm

re: #14 albusteve

I wonder who will blink?

It'll cost ya to find out.

17 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:58:54pm

re: #14 albusteve

I wonder who will blink?

The GOP's betting on it being Obama, the Dems are expecting it to be the GOP. It might end up being a situation where neither blinks and we're left watching our country collapse into an economic train wreck, which both sides will blame the other for.

18 nines09  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:58:58pm

And this just in....Delusional Tour 2012. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? I mean what were they watching?

19 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:59:36pm

re: #15 eastsider

I agree with that. I wish they asked last night:

"Name one policy of President Obama's that you agree with, and describe how you might advance this position further."

Would have exposed the fact that they're in this for power as its own end, and not, you know, actual leading.

I think someone asked that of at least Ron Paul. But by then I was hallucinating.

20 mr.fusion  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:00:35pm
But it wouldn’t be self-defeating if the intent is to deliberately crash the economy for political advantage. Is this what the GOP is doing? I’d hate to think so, but this question is becoming more and more relevant.

It's the question that shall not be raised.

But when one group of people that is pining for power seems to be just so blissfully ignorant.......well, it makes you wonder

21 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:01:13pm

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If the GOP keeps asking for morally and ethically reprehensible cuts in order to raise the limit, Obama and the Democrats are in a hell of a position. Go along with it to prevent the immediate suffering, at the sure knowledge of long-term damage?

22 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:02:06pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

It'll cost ya to find out.

something tells me that there are many people who already know

23 Artist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:02:08pm

I don't recall who said it, but they said it best when they said the GOP would gladly burn America to the ground if it meant they could rule over the ashes.

24 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:02:24pm

As long as the GOP can convince enough people that they're not all crazy fucktards on the first Tuesday in November, nothing will change.

25 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:04:03pm

re: #21 Obdicut

If the GOP keeps asking for morally and ethically reprehensible cuts in order to raise the limit, Obama and the Democrats are in a hell of a position. Go along with it to prevent the immediate suffering, at the sure knowledge of long-term damage?

The GOP knows that it's a Kobayashi Maru for Obama. He refuses the cuts, we default, and that's all she wrote. He agrees, he avoids default now, but the GOP uses the leverage to demand more cuts, as well as blaming any job losses on him.

It's a big shit sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite.

26 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:04:29pm

re: #24 darthstar

As long as the GOP can convince enough people that they're not all crazy fucktards on the first Tuesday in November, nothing will change.

All day? That's a long time for them to hold it together.

27 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:04:54pm

re: #25 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hopefully the rich mucky-mucks who pull a lot of GOP wires will tell them to back the fuck off before they ruin the economy.

28 allegro  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:05:46pm

re: #21 Obdicut

If the GOP keeps asking for morally and ethically reprehensible cuts in order to raise the limit, Obama and the Democrats are in a hell of a position. Go along with it to prevent the immediate suffering, at the sure knowledge of long-term damage?

It's worked before. Think tax cut extension for the rich to save the unemployment benefits.

29 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:05:48pm

Is Walter in Paris, now?

30 mr.fusion  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:06:04pm

re: #25 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The GOP knows that it's a Kobayashi Maru for Obama. He refuses the cuts, we default, and that's all she wrote. He agrees, he avoids default now, but the GOP uses the leverage to demand more cuts, as well as blaming any job losses on him.

It's a big shit sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite.

I want him to call their freaking bluff on this.....have Reid bring it up with nothing other than raising the limit on it. Have him do it day after day until it passes (which eventually it will).

31 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:06:21pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Hopefully the rich mucky-mucks who pull a lot of GOP wires will tell them to back the fuck off before they ruin the economy.

"Can we wreck it just a little bit, tear the fenders off maybe?"

32 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:06:26pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Hopefully the rich mucky-mucks who pull a lot of GOP wires will tell them to back the fuck off before they ruin the economy.

Only if the rich mucky-mucks thought they were vulnerable would they do that. Otherwise, it's fuck everyone else...we can ride this out. It's the American way.

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:07:31pm

re: #30 mr.fusion

I want him to call their freaking bluff on this...have Reid bring it up with nothing other than raising the limit on it. Have him do it day after day until it passes (which eventually it will).

I do believe they already did that, the week before the Weiner story first aired. They put up a "clean" ceiling limit increase, and it failed. The GOP then crowed it was "proof" that the Dems have broken rank with Obama and believe we need the sort of severe cuts they endorse.

34 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:07:33pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Hopefully the rich mucky-mucks who pull a lot of GOP wires will tell them to back the fuck off before they ruin the economy.

That's where I wonder who has the influence at the GOP. The big money guys or the TP "base" at this point. The weakest faction in the GOP seems to be the old guard DC establishment Repub's.

35 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:09:19pm

Well, I'm out for awhile, going to support a friend's budding comedy career. BBL

36 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:14:05pm

Is the GOP ever going to stop radicalizing itself?

37 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:15:39pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Is the GOP ever going to stop radicalizing itself?

uniforms
special salutes
giant rallies
hero worship

38 allegro  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:17:51pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Is the GOP ever going to stop radicalizing itself?

It was interesting to see the guy in the audience last night who said he was just a run of the mill Republican asking about the Tea Party faction and "interests." It appeared he was saying that the radicalism is running him out of the party and was looking for some small assurance that things were going to turn around. Michele came back with how wonderful the Tea Party was that is made up of democrats (and btw some other guys) that hate the direction the country is going.

39 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:17:54pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Is the GOP ever going to stop radicalizing itself?

Either that or disappear making room for another party to represent conservative and or rural values.

40 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:17:56pm

re: #37 albusteve

uniforms
special salutes
giant rallies
hero worship

3 out of 4 count?

41 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:18:19pm

re: #38 allegro

Yeah. Everyone told him to shut up, basically, that the Tea Party was great and he should get on board.

42 allegro  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:19:28pm

re: #41 Obdicut

Yeah. Everyone told him to shut up, basically, that the Tea Party was great and he should get on board.

The look on his face was pretty funny. It looked like he was trying real hard to mask his disgust.

43 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:20:28pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 out of 4 count?

added for ruffage

44 mr.fusion  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:22:04pm

re: #33 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I do believe they already did that, the week before the Weiner story first aired. They put up a "clean" ceiling limit increase, and it failed. The GOP then crowed it was "proof" that the Dems have broken rank with Obama and believe we need the sort of severe cuts they endorse.

If I remember correctly it wasn't "clean".......I'm pretty sure the GOP snuck in an amendment that said basically "I am voting yes on this because President Barack Obama is solely responsible for the debt."

45 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:22:54pm

re: #37 albusteve

uniforms
special salutes
giant rallies
hero worship

Have you ever seen the pre-WWII American pledge of allegiance?

Image: pledge1.jpg

46 Quant  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:25:03pm

re: #2 Opal

Elmendorf testified today:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I'm pretty sure that the Republicans aren't going to stop this craziness until rich people get on the phone to tell them to back off because this is affecting their investments. Nothing else will matter. Nothing.

Well, I hope the rich and the powerful get a move on, because I think the GOP is just about crazy enough to embark on a scorched earth policy.

47 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:25:13pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The days of the GOP paying attention to fiscal responsibility are dead.

It was always kind of a shuck anyways, (ala Reagan deficits)

48 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:26:52pm

the was no end of world Rapture...that can only mean one thing and that is God is disgusted with his flock...so look for seemingly indiscriminate self immolation around the DC area....the new zippo

49 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:27:28pm

To demonstrate one's fiscal responsibility, one must be fiscally irresponsible.

50 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:28:07pm

re: #46 Quant

Well, I hope the rich and the powerful get a move on, because I think the GOP is just about crazy enough to embark on a scorched earth policy.

It won't take the whole GOP caucus to screw it up--just a sufficient number of TP crazies. Probably some dimwitted Blue Dog Dems among them.

51 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:28:08pm

This is really fucking amazing: A day after receiving a thank you note from Q'Daffy, Beohner demands Obama justify action against the terrorist dictatorship of Libya: Boehner Says Libya Operation Violates War Powers Law June 19


The Ohio Republican's demand for more information about the U.S. role in the operation follows the House's June 3 approval of a resolution, sponsored by Boehner, rebuking Obama for failure to state a "compelling" national security "rationale" for supporting the bombing campaign against Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi.


Can we question their patriotism now?

52 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:29:36pm

re: #47 windsagio

It was always kind of a shuck anyways, (ala Reagan deficits)

Reagan had the unenviable task of reining in double- digit inflation left over from previous administration(s).
That and the fact that Congress went nuts on spending- revenues to the treasury went up considerably during the later Reagan years as the economy pulled itself out of the tank and the boys on the Hill were all too happy to spend it... some things never change- spend spend spend.

53 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:30:24pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

This is really fucking amazing: A day after receiving a thank you note from Q'Daffy, Beohner demands Obama justify action against the terrorist dictatorship of Libya: Boehner Says Libya Operation Violates War Powers Law June 19


Can we question their patriotism now?

with nearly $700b to toss around, the Pentagon will finance the Libya scrap, at least for a while

54 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:33:16pm

re: #52 Capitalist Tool

(Bobby Dooley voice) "Mmmhmm."

55 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:34:43pm

Some good news - US District Court has upheld (former) Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling overturning California Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriages.

Court upholds gay judge's ruling on Proposition 8

(CNN) -- A federal judge who ruled against a ban on same-sex marriage in California and later revealed that he is gay showed no evidence he was prejudiced in the case, according to a ruling Tuesday.

The judge, based in San Francisco, upheld former colleague's Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling on California's Proposition 8. Questions had been raised about Walker's ability to impartially decide the controversial question of same-sex marriage.

"It is not reasonable to presume that a judge is incapable of making an impartial decision about the constitutionality of a law, solely because, as a citizen, the judge could be affected by the proceedings," U.S. District Court Judge James Ware ruled.

Ware backed the original ruling by Walker that the voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage in the state was unconstitutional. The new order keeps the issue on track to an expected Supreme Court challenge, perhaps by next year.

56 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:36:58pm

re: #53 albusteve

Boehner's a pig. For all his claim of being Christian, he won't help anyone in need, whether it be by expenditures to aese pressure on the poor, or preventing a monster from slaughtering thousands.

The Democrats need to run against him by calling him out. I'd even say questioning his faith, considering his actions, is okay. Hit him over the head with quotes from the bible.

57 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:38:37pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

I just wish Q'Daffy had included a really current return address on that note... I just do not think refueling, ELINT and some drone strikes as part of a NATO op require approval. Other than (just maybe) some spooks on the ground we have no troops there. No manned airstrikes. No American regular military folks are in harms way. What's the big deal?

58 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:39:33pm

To demonstrate ones fidelity to their partner, one should fuck many strangers.

59 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:41:01pm

So far, we have spent about $700-800 million in Libya.

Iraq's cost is about $783 Billion right now, around 900-1000 times the cost of Libya

Afghanistan's cost is about $423 Billion right now, about 605 times the cost of Libya.

It's a drop in the bucket comparatively.

60 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:41:11pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Can we question their patriotism now?

Indeed. I have been for a little while now. But you knew that.

re: #57 Rightwingconspirator

I just wish Q'Daffy had included a really current return address on that note... I just do not think refueling, ELINT and some drone strikes as part of a NATO op require approval. Other than (just maybe) some spooks on the ground we have no troops there. No manned airstrikes. No American regular military folks are in harms way. What's the big deal?

obamadidit

61 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:41:23pm

re: #57 Rightwingconspirator

I just wish Q'Daffy had included a really current return address on that note... I just do not think refueling, ELINT and some drone strikes as part of a NATO op require approval. Other than (just maybe) some spooks on the ground we have no troops there. No manned airstrikes. No American regular military folks are in harms way. What's the big deal?

I suspect the have are trying to misuse the War Powers Act and Obama will probably ignore them. None of the articles seem to address the validity of Boehner's demands.

62 Quant  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:41:26pm

re: #13 Obdicut

Yep. Defaulting on any portion of the debt will drive up the debt enormously, just like if you default on your credit cards, you're going to have your credit score sunk and have to pay a ton on any new loans.

Unless somehow we magically never borrow any money again.


Which would mean cutting spending immediately by more than a third. This would put a drag on the economy to the tune of 9% of GDP (15% revenue - 24% GDP), causing a far more severe economic recession than the one we've just been through.

I know you know that, Obdicut, I just hope the GOP does too.

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:44:26pm

Heh. Spotted this while surfing teh interwebs earlier:

"CNN is the new SNL: Not even funny anymore".

64 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:44:38pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I suspect the have are trying to misuse the War Powers Act and Obama will probably ignore them. None of the articles seem to address the validity of Boehner's demands.


there is a wide, ambiguous shade of gray there....War Powers Act and the CinC's authority to use the military to protect US interests...it's all a little foggy, but I suspect you are correct that BO will continue to let the lawyers duke it out, meanwhile hoping to nail Mo

65 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:44:39pm

re: #59 ProLifeLiberal

You're making me think about Iraq again, its depressing.

Listen to the Special inspector General on Iraq talk about the missing $6 billion cash and how utterly unprepared we were for reconstruction, happened to be on 30 minutes ago (at least in PDX)

66 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:45:50pm

Heh. Just saw this at NPR.org:

[Link: media.npr.org...]

67 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:47:59pm

Via Memorandum:

Perry thinks there should be (at least one) more faces in the TPGOP line-up.

[Link: www.texastribune.org...]

68 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:50:35pm

Off topic, but this story I just found pissed me off.

Little Girl's TARDIS Stolen from her Front Yard

They stole an imitation TARDIS that a little girl had built for her as a bus stop. I hope those assholes get beat.

69 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:50:55pm

re: #2 Opal

Elmendorf testified today:

I'm pretty sure that the Republicans aren't going to stop this craziness until rich people get on the phone to tell them to back off because this is affecting their investments. Nothing else will matter. Nothing.

While certainly politicians listen to "rich people" (they're the ones who can fund elections) they also make misguided decisions based on keeping the investments of the huddled masses propped up. There were several tax breaks and extensions related to 401K accounts during the last two "corrections", and of course interest rates are being held low to prop up house prices, because that's where a lot of non-wealthy constituents have all their (negative!) assets.

70 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:51:32pm

re: #68 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but this story I just found pissed me off.

Little Girl's TARDIS Stolen from her Front Yard

They stole an imitation TARDIS that a little girl had built for her as a bus stop. I hope those assholes get beat.

I blame the Daleks.

71 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:51:54pm

Shoot me now. I just watched a political reporter on CBS enthusiastically describe Michelle Bachmann as a "serious candidate" with a "real grasp of complex issues".

The village is going in the tank for her and will not illuminate her batshit craziness.

72 Quant  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:52:22pm

re: #62 Quant

(15% revenue - 24% GDP spending)

73 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:52:40pm

re: #68 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but this story I just found pissed me off.

Little Girl's TARDIS Stolen from her Front Yard

They stole an imitation TARDIS that a little girl had built for her as a bus stop. I hope those assholes get beat.

Did they hear voices saying "Exterminate!"?

74 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:53:43pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

I had that snarky thought for a second. Then anger replaced it. They hurt a child by taking something her family made for her, and I want punishment for those pigs.

75 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:54:44pm

re: #74 ProLifeLiberal

I had that snarky thought for a second. Then anger replaced it. They hurt a child by taking something her family made for her, and I want punishment for those pigs.

You need to lose that sense of shame if you want to make it here, kid.

76 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:54:58pm

re: #55 RadicalModerate

Some good news - US District Court has upheld (former) Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling overturning California Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriages.

Court upholds gay judge's ruling on Proposition 8

Great! It's not too late for y'all to send us a wedding present. We're registered at Tiffany's.

(Our marriage is one of the ~12K that remained after Prop 8).

77 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:55:35pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Maybe, but when children get involved, I get wound up. I lose humor.

78 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:56:04pm

re: #77 ProLifeLiberal

its not great to get all revengey tho, that's not how our laws work.

79 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:57:24pm

re: #74 ProLifeLiberal

I had that snarky thought for a second. Then anger replaced it. They hurt a child by taking something her family made for her, and I want punishment for those pigs.

shit happens...make another one

80 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:57:28pm

re: #78 windsagio

True.

It's more venty than anything. I don't know why anyone would steal a wooden bus-stop TARDIS imitation.

81 BongCrodny  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:00:52pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

I blame the Daleks.


"Doctor! It's the Daleks!"
"RUN!"

"Doctor! It's the Texas School Board"!
"RUN FASTER!"

82 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:00:53pm

Fuck yeah!

A federal judge has rejected the argument by supporters of California's gay marriage ban that U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker -- who ruled the ban unconstitutional -- was biased because he is gay.

"It is not reasonable to presume that a judge is incapable of making an impartial decision about the constitutionality of a law, solely because, as a citizen, the judge could be affected by the proceedings," U.S. District Judge James Ware wrote in his ruling Tuesday.

83 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:01:57pm

re: #81 BongCrodny

"Doctor! It's the Daleks!"
"Go upstairs!"

"Doctor! It's the Texas School Board"!
"RUN FASTER!"

84 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:02:25pm

re: #80 ProLifeLiberal

People are jerks, just about >>

85 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:04:36pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

They have little rocket thingys on the bottom, so that won't help you.

86 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:05:52pm

Inability to climb stairs was the source of a lot of first-gen Dalek humor.

87 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:06:40pm

re: #82 darthstar

Fuck yeah!

All citizens should have equal rights under the law.
That is all.

88 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:08:07pm

re: #87 Capitalist Tool

All citizens should have equal rights under the law.
That is all.

Except for us Irish...they always piss on us Irish...

89 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:11:07pm

re: #71 celticdragon

Shoot me now. I just watched a political reporter on CBS enthusiastically describe Michelle Bachmann as a "serious candidate" with a "real grasp of complex issues".

The village is going in the tank for her and will not illuminate her batshit craziness.

The media have a vested interest in promoting crazy candidates, because they make news. So they'll gloss over the crazies until it's more advantageous/profitable to attack them.

90 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:13:10pm

re: #89 Charles

The media have a vested interest in promoting crazy candidates, because they make news. So they'll gloss over the crazies until it's more advantageous/profitable to attack them.

Compared to some of the other people on stage last night, Bachmann actually did sound like a viable candidate - much more so than Newt "MOOSLIM NAZIS!!!" Gingrich - at least he's on his way to being ignored into invisibility.

91 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:14:12pm

re: #90 darthstar

Yeah, if you ignored all the lies that Bachmann told, she seemed viable. Though, of course, lying through your teeth isn't actually a bad thing, for viability. The ability to do it, as she does, with utter conviction, is handy.

92 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:14:57pm

re: #89 Charles

The media have a vested interest in promoting crazy candidates, because they make news. So they'll gloss over the crazies until it's more advantageous/profitable to attack them.

candidates are like rented mules

93 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:16:25pm

re: #90 darthstar

Compared to some of the other people on stage last night, Bachmann actually did sound like a viable candidate - much more so than Newt "MOOSLIM NAZIS!!!" Gingrich - at least he's on his way to being ignored into invisibility.

she sounded like a ditzy HS cheerleader to me....just a prop, where I thought Newt did the best at answering questions by far

94 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:17:06pm

Speaking of Newt...looks like the grifter could be in a little hot water...

Newt Gingrich's campaign vehemently denied any wrongdoing following an ABC News report Tuesday that questions business practices between two of his organizations, one a for-profit business and the other a charity.

"Despite all the innuendo in the ABC story, their team of journalists did not find any activity that was not fully supported by the law," the GOP presidential candidate's Communications Director Joe DeSantis wrote in a statement.

The ABC News report said Gingrich's charity, Renewing American Leadership (ReAL) paid $220,000 over two years to Gingrich Communications, one of the candidate's for-profit businesses.

A Charity is entitled to pay a commercial entity for help in administrative costs and other services...I should start a charity...pay myself 10,000 dollars every time I take out the trash or do the laundry...then there are the consulting fees involved every time my wife asks, "What do you think we should do for dinner?" or "How was your day?"

95 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:18:15pm

re: #93 albusteve

she sounded like a ditzy HS cheerleader to me...just a prop, where I thought Newt did the best at answering questions by far

But Newt is so, well, you know... I haven't the words.
I don't think Gingrich is electable in even the most far- fetched scenario.

96 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:18:23pm

re: #93 albusteve

she sounded like a ditzy HS cheerleader to me...just a prop, where I thought Newt did the best at answering questions by far

And you think I have issues...

97 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:18:37pm

re: #91 Obdicut

and remember, she's competing for votes with Sarah Palin.

re: #90 darthstar

It still pisses me off tho', she wouldn't even answer "Elvis or Johnny Cash?" straight.

98 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:19:41pm

re: #96 darthstar

And you think I have issues...

and RP attacked the questions pretty well too...as for issues I have no clue

99 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:27:13pm

Newt Newt Newt Newt of Hurl
ahaha!

100 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:27:44pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's hard as hell to take the GOP's calls for "fiscal responsibility" seriously when they just got done passing a $690 billion defense spending bill. So much for "everything on the table."

Hey, as long as we have people on fully-funded sightseeing tours of Iraq, Afghanistan, and (aerial only) Libya, and as long as we are paying the bulk of the military budget for all of NATO, the defense budget will be high. Unless and until we get our people out of harms's way, and unless and until NATO nations step up to the plate, .... well, good luck with trying to shrink the defense budget.

101 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:28:11pm

re: #97 windsagio

and remember, she's competing for votes with Sarah Palin.

re: #90 darthstar

It still pisses me off tho', she wouldn't even answer "Elvis or Johnny Cash?" straight.

I would have answered...
wtf is wrong with you John?....who could give a fuck, bozo

102 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:28:35pm

Eh, study break lasted too long. Back to the boring book.

103 califleftyb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:28:35pm

If a foreign country or al-Queda wanted to wreck America then they could do no better then allow the government to default. Seriously, it makes me sick to think of the ramifications, it is the financial nightmare scenario that could easily spin us out of control. Knowing the potential consequences of inaction, and then allowing those consequences to come about would be for all practical purposes a terrorist act. It should be treated as such.

Treason is defined as "a citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the parent nation." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavor.

104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:31:35pm

re: #34 Rightwingconspirator

That's where I wonder who has the influence at the GOP. The big money guys or the TP "base" at this point. The weakest faction in the GOP seems to be the old guard DC establishment Repub's.

The TP base is just astroturfed dupes of ArbeitFrei and Americans for Prosperity, so basically it's the same interests. I would agree that the weakest GOP faction right now is the old guard, derided as "beltway", and can't forget the poor moderates, who have been languishing on the margins for at least a decade.

105 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:33:32pm

At a minimum, the seven-term representative would be eligible for a basic pension worth about $37,000 a year once he hits the retirement age -- not counting other odd-and-ends benefits. The benefits are afforded to every member of Congress who meets the basic requirements, and Weiner would likely be no exception

I wanna be a fed

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

106 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:34:27pm

re: #103 califleftyb

If a foreign country or al-Queda wanted to wreck America then they could do no better then allow the government to default. Seriously, it makes me sick to think of the ramifications, it is the financial nightmare scenario that could easily spin us out of control. Knowing the potential consequences of inaction, and then allowing those consequences to come about would be for all practical purposes a terrorist act. It should be treated as such.

Treason is defined as "a citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the parent nation." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavor.

They don't want to overthrow the government, just this administration. But if they have to overthrow the government to do it, I wouldn't put it past them.

107 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:35:54pm

re: #105 albusteve

At a minimum, the seven-term representative would be eligible for a basic pension worth about $37,000 a year once he hits the retirement age -- not counting other odd-and-ends benefits. The benefits are afforded to every member of Congress who meets the basic requirements, and Weiner would likely be no exception

I wanna be a fed

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Without doing a lot of looking-up, that's not much different than a field-grade military officer's retirement.

108 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:40:56pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Without doing a lot of looking-up, that's not much different than a field-grade military officer's retirement.

I'm just pushing from behind...I'm looking at stars without makeup next

109 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:42:43pm

re: #108 albusteve

I'm just pushing from behind...I'm looking at stars without makeup next

Had to google that.

110 BongCrodny  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:44:01pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Without doing a lot of looking-up, that's not much different than a field-grade military officer's retirement.


You figure that 90% of your callers as a Congressman have got a bitch, gripe, complaint or request.

It's certainly good money by any retirement standards, but if I had to put up with all that shit for 14 years? I'd want more.

111 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:45:44pm

re: #105 albusteve

At a minimum, the seven-term representative would be eligible for a basic pension worth about $37,000 a year once he hits the retirement age -- not counting other odd-and-ends benefits. The benefits are afforded to every member of Congress who meets the basic requirements, and Weiner would likely be no exception

I wanna be a fed

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I guaran-damn-tee you that Larry Craig's getting more than that, as is Mark Foley. Weiner can simply announce that he's not standing for reelection next time and leave at the end of his term. Circus over, and guaranteed benefits for his wife and child.

Why the hell are people slobbering all over this story again? he's just another asshole politician who thought he was too good to follow rules ... he needs to announce he's not gonna run again but will serve out his term because a special election will cost too much money. Jeez.

112 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:45:54pm

re: #110 BongCrodny

You figure that 90% of your callers as a Congressman have got a bitch, gripe, complaint or request.

It's certainly good money by any retirement standards, but if I had to put up with all that shit for 14 years? I'd want more.

You'd love a job in tech support.
/

113 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:46:30pm

OK, off to study. Blech.

114 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:47:23pm

re: #111 funky chicken

I guaran-damn-tee you that Larry Craig's getting more than that, as is Mark Foley. Weiner can simply announce that he's not standing for reelection next time and leave at the end of his term. Circus over, and guaranteed benefits for his wife and child.

Why the hell are people slobbering all over this story again? he's just another asshole politician who thought he was too good to follow rules ... he needs to announce he's not gonna run again but will serve out his term because a special election will cost too much money. Jeez.

I slobbered all over it to inspire a response

115 BongCrodny  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:48:28pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Inability to climb stairs was the source of a lot of first-gen Dalek humor.

Ah, got it.

I've only been a fan since the flying Daleks. Not being able to climb stairs would kind of limit your prospects for universal domination.

116 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:49:50pm

re: #114 albusteve

I slobbered all over it to inspire a response

Hey Steve..Road trip in 2 1/2 days.. Winston And I are hitting the road for a week.. He hates road trips

117 BongCrodny  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:50:19pm

re: #112 Capitalist Tool

You'd love a job in tech support.
/


"RUN!"

118 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:50:55pm

Damn, I just watched that not authorized by Craig Huey "give me your cash bitch" political ad. It's amazing the blatant fear racism.

[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

Back to angry birds for me.

119 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:57:29pm

re: #104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The TP base is just astroturfed dupes of ArbeitFrei and Americans for Prosperity, so basically it's the same interests. I would agree that the weakest GOP faction right now is the old guard, derided as "beltway", and can't forget the poor moderates, who have been languishing on the margins for at least a decade.

Upding for your name for Freedomworks.

120 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:03:51pm

Dear King James.. Years ago Dylan wrote a song just for you...Welcome to South Beach...

Like A Rolling Stone Lyrics
Artist(Band):Bob Dylan

Once upon a time you dressed so fine,
Threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you ?
People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall,"
You thought they were all a’kiddin' you.
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin' out.
Now you don't talk so loud,
Now you don't seem so proud,
About having to be scrounging your next meal.

How does it feel ?
How does it feel ?
To be without a home ?
Like a complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?

121 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:16:18am

And just a reminder, Bernanke was initially appointed by that other communist president, George W. Bush....


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