2 | thecommodore Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:32:52am |
Quite ironic that the primary tenet of conservatism is personal responsibility, and self awareness. Yet neither has been seen in conservative pols and pundits in decades, if ever.
3 | Henchman 25 Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:36:14am |
That is, if I may say, some of the most free-range, organically grown, disingenous, ideologically marinated, un-self-awareness I've ever seen in the wild.
Hits the nail on the head.
4 | Interesting Times Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:37:24am |
Here's a transcript of the segment, courtesy of dKos member BruinKid (he does this for many of Stewart/Colbert's greatest hits).
re: #1 Spocomptonite
I LOLed just at the title.
5 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:37:53am |
I see a lot of people on the right as being so arrogantly cocksure of themselves that they see any attack on them as unjustified and mean-spirited. It causes them to double down and re-load.
I see a lot of people on the left who are so terribly unsure of themselves that they recoil from any attack on them, even if mean spirited. I causes them to simply roll over and over-react: the ACORN and Sherrod scandals being fine examples of that.
And radical Islamists know how to take advantage of it. Which causes the right to double down and attack all Muslims as potential radical islamists.
We have begun to see what this cycle can lead to.
6 | thecommodore Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:38:08am |
re: #1 Spocomptonite
I LOLed just at the title.
Me too!
In no particular order, here is the list of the conserative victim class:
Christians
Any minority that is a rock solid conservative
And scientist who dares to challenge the climate change orthodoxy
Any homosexual who opposes the repeal of DADT, gay marriage, and gay rights
Any Hollywood celebrity or rock star who comes out of the closet as a conservative
Any liberal pundit who challenges liberal orthodoxy (Juan Williams)
Any Democrat who is pro-life
I'm sure there's more...lots and lots more...I just need more coffee to think of them.
7 | makeitstop Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:38:13am |
That Hannity sound bite illustrates the concept that Ailes built Fox News on - that you can say something 24/7 on the network (and people will see and hear you saying it), but all you have to do is tell your viewers that they don't see it and you're covered because your viewers have been sufficiently brainwashed to actually believe you.
8 | mr.fusion Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:38:37am |
One of the best takedowns of Stewart's career.
10 | Gus Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:42:02am |
WE'RE TEH REUL VICTUMS HERE!!11TY
[Butthurt] Anti-Jihad Wingnut™
11 | jaunte Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:42:12am |
Here's a roundup of Special Rightbloggers Victim's Unit reactions to the Breivik killings:
Rightbloggers Discover the Real Victims of Norway Mass Murderer Breivik: Themselves
Andrew McCarthy, one of National Review's leading torture enthusiasts, after getting jihadi with it when news first broke ("the attack comes only days after Norway finally indicted Mullah Krekar"), later complained that Breivik had been identified in the press as a white Lutheran. "Having debated the subject of profiling for years," he sniffed, "I am always amazed at how quickly the people who say we must not profile become committed profilers when it suits their purposes."While admitting that the absence of any Muslim conspirators "does cut against the likelihood that this is another episode of Islamic terrorism," McCarthy said we still ought to remember that "most terrorism is carried out by Islamists"; thus the moral of this story, and of all others, is still Profile Muslims, so there.
12 | jamesfirecat Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:42:54am |
Luckily for Fox I'm sure they'll be more than ready to play the victim card about Stewart calling them on playing the victim card.
13 | Gus Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:42:57am |
re: #11 jaunte
Here's a roundup of Special Rightbloggers Victim's Unit reactions to the Breivik killings:
Rightbloggers Discover the Real Victims of Norway Mass Murderer Breivik: Themselves
Right on cue... There ya' go.
14 | jaunte Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:45:21am |
re: #13 Gus 802
Jim Hoft gets a mention:
One popular gambit, peddled by Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit, among others, was that some of Breivik's ravings against "Socialists, Collectivist[s], 'politically correct' types, feminists," etc, appear to have been copied from the manifesto of the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski.You might be wondering: how does the copying of these impeccably right-wing complaints (which, experience shows us, rightbloggers share) from Kaczynski prove that Breiviks isn't right-wing? We haven't quite figured that out -- most adherents merely assert this and don't even pretend to explain -- but some versions suggest it's because Kaczynski is also an environmentalist, which magically turns his denunciations of the Left into Leftism.
15 | celticdragon Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:46:17am |
The entire wingnut welfare book and lecture circuit is built on the conservative-as-victim meme. The church I was raised in was steeped in the idea, wherein the dangerous liberal/communist/Christian hating world was out to get us and throw us in concentration camps for daring to be anti abortion and anti gay. (No, I most certainly do not attend there any more, for some obvious reasons...)
The idea that conservative Christianity, by far the dominant religious bloc as a whole in the country is somehow "in danger" and about to be extinguished is farcical. However, conservatives eat it up. They cherish the notion that they are the scrappy underdog Davids fighting the giant secular Goliath, and it fits well with the historical persecuted Christian history from antiquity.
16 | Spocomptonite Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:47:49am |
re: #6 thecommodore
Me too!
In no particular order, here is the list of the conserative victim class:
Christians
Anyminorityone that is a rock solid conservative
Andscientistone who dares to challenge the climate change orthodoxy
Anyhomosexualone who opposes the repeal of DADT, gay marriage, and gay rights
AnyHollywood celebrity or rock starone who comes out of the closet as a conservative
Anyliberal punditone who challenges liberal orthodoxy (Juan Williams)
AnyDemocratone who is pro-lifeI'm sure there's more...lots and lots more...I just need more coffee to think of them.
It's more like that. If they get into a debate, a rebuttal can enable them to be a victim. If someone points out how they are wrong, they are a victim. If they don't get what they want, they are a victim.
I realize I'm painting with a broad brush here, but it's not all conservatives, it's just Conservatives(tm)
17 | Charleston Chew Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:49:10am |
re: #5 ralphieboy
I see a lot of people on the right as being so arrogantly cocksure of themselves that they see any attack on them as unjustified and mean-spirited. It causes them to double down and re-load.
I see a lot of people on the left who are so terribly unsure of themselves that they recoil from any attack on them, even if mean spirited. I causes them to simply roll over and over-react: the ACORN and Sherrod scandals being fine examples of that.
And radical Islamists know how to take advantage of it. Which causes the right to double down and attack all Muslims as potential radical islamists.
Reminds me of this highly-offensive philosophical discussion from Team America (2004):
(Warning: highly offensive.)
18 | mr.fusion Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:51:05am |
re: #12 jamesfirecat
Luckily for Fox I'm sure they'll be more than ready to play the victim card about Stewart calling them on playing the victim card.
Seriously though.....Stewart was just so mean wasn't he?
/
19 | Robert O. Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:51:32am |
Christians are feeling "alone on campus". Hmm...actually I have to agree. I wonder why? Is it because on every major US campus today (particularly in the best colleges), you are more likely to find Chinese and Indians, whereas the Americans on campus are most likely to be agnostic or Jewish? What does that say about the education standard of American Christians? But I digress - why is this a surprise when conservative Christians (like their conservative Muslim counterpart in the Middle East) see science as an enemy of their religion, and insists (contrary to all scientific evidence) the universe was created within the last 10,000 years?
20 | Spocomptonite Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:52:30am |
re: #17 Charleston Chew
Reminds me of this highly-offensive philosophical discussion from Team America (2004):
(Warning: highly offensive.)
[Video]
No, that's totally SFW. It would fit right in back when I worked night shift at a grocery store.
21 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:52:48am |
re: #19 Robert O.
remember the little white girl's famous FB rant about the Chinese students on their cellphones in the library?
22 | makeitstop Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:54:30am |
re: #18 mr.fusion
Seriously though...Stewart was just so mean wasn't he?
/
His tone is unfortunate.
//
23 | mr.fusion Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:54:58am |
re: #17 Charleston Chew
Reminds me of this highly-offensive philosophical discussion from Team America (2004):
(Warning: highly
offensiveawesome.)[Video]
FIFY
24 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:56:27am |
"Team America" was brilliant for the way it showed how the left/right dynamic of roll over/double down has bred the situation we have today.
25 | Spocomptonite Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:57:46am |
re: #19 Robert O.
Christians are feeling "alone on campus". Hmm...actually I have to agree. I wonder why? Is it because on every major US campus today (particularly in the best colleges), you are more likely to find Chinese and Indians, whereas the Americans on campus are most likely to be agnostic or Jewish? What does that say about the education standard of American Christians? But I digress - why is this a surprise when conservative Christians (like their conservative Muslim counterpart in the Middle East) see science as an enemy of their religion, and insists (contrary to all scientific evidence) the universe was created within the last 10,000 years?
And also when they make thousands of books all about how colleges are liberal indoctrinators that will oppress and pervert your kids with their facts and multiple viewpoints and tolerant multiculturalism, why would they want to go/send their kids to college?
Conservative Seminary is the only safe place in America left!
26 | Gus Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:58:04am |
re: #15 celticdragon
The entire wingnut welfare book and lecture circuit is built on the conservative-as-victim meme. The church I was raised in was steeped in the idea, wherein the dangerous liberal/communist/Christian hating world was out to get us and throw us in concentration camps for daring to be anti abortion and anti gay. (No, I most certainly do not attend there any more, for some obvious reasons...)
The idea that conservative Christianity, by far the dominant religious bloc as a whole in the country is somehow "in danger" and about to be extinguished is farcical. However, conservatives eat it up. They cherish the notion that they are the scrappy underdog Davids fighting the giant secular Goliath, and it fits well with the historical persecuted Christian history from antiquity.
The fear-industry or the anti-Jihadist industry. Fox News of course is the leader of this industry. Fear sells and nothing sells products to wingnuts like liberal-fear and Muslim-fear since they are both on the forefront of today's news. There's big money to be made selling fear. Limbaugh and Beck are proof of this as are the lower actors like Coulter and Spencer.
27 | Gus Thu, Jul 28, 2011 10:58:44am |
Inside the lucrative "anti-jihad" industry
A new report alleges that a leading mosque opponent is gaming the non-profit tax system
One of the under-examined aspects of the recent bloom in anti-Muslim sentiment is the role of professional "anti-jihad" activists. These are people like the blogger Pamela Geller, the author Robert Spencer, the investigator Steven Emerson, and the think tank denizen Frank Gaffney. They have made careers out of writing reports on sharia law, testifying against the construction of mosques around the country, and appearing on cable to talk up the threat from Muslims.
The Tennessean newspaper, which has been covering fierce opposition to construction of a mosque in the Nashville suburb of Murfreesboro, published an investigation of the "anti-jihad" industry on Sunday. Among its most notable findings: Emerson, the executive director of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, appears to be operating a pair of organizations under a highly unusual -- and, experts told the newspaper, dubious -- tax setup.
The thumbnail version: Emerson collected over $3 million in 2008 for his tax-exempt non-profit, the Investigative Project on Terrorism. The Investigative Project then paid all of that money to another entity controlled by Emerson, the for-profit SAE Productions (the two entities also share a Washington, D.C., address). The result: it's impossible to see how the money is being used by Emerson, including how much he is paying himself and others. A spokesman for the groups maintains that this setup was created for security reasons so names of employees are not publicly released.
28 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:01:32am |
re: #27 Gus 802
That is in keeping with the Supreme Court's ruling on annonymous corporate campaign donations: Clarence Thomas ruled for it in order to be able to protect donors to unpopular causes (pro-gay, pro-life) against backlash.
But it is being used for other purposes as well: to protect unsavory business transactions from being publicized.
29 | Gus Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:03:45am |
Coming up next on Fox News. How the gays are out to get you!
...
IT'S THE TERRORIST BABIES I TELL YA' AND THE BIG MEXICAN WOMEN!!11ty - Louie Gohmert (R)
31 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:07:52am |
re: #27 Gus 802
Inside the lucrative "anti-jihad" industry
A new report alleges that a leading mosque opponent is gaming the non-profit tax system
I have a non-profit foundation. How come I'm not making milliions in tax-free donations?
32 | Gus Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:09:28am |
re: #31 Alouette
I have a non-profit foundation. How come I'm not making milliions in tax-free donations?
You need to put the fear setting on 11?
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33 | celticdragon Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:09:42am |
Tangentially on topic...
Wingnuts at Politico are screaming over the "hit piece" on Congressman Joe Walsh and his little $117,000 child support problem. Conservative victim and all that.
Commenter Reel'mericun has one of the best faux derp replies I have ever seen...
When asked about why he failed to pay child support, Joe Walsh replied that he was "Taxed Enough Already™," and wasn't willing to part with his money, which he had only recently obtained through his own hard work and individual initiative, just to create another class of socially dependent handout seekers who could easily get a job. When reminded that his children were, in fact, minors who needed his court-ordered contributions to be clothed, fed and educated, Walsh retorted that in Victorian Britain, these so-called "minors" frequently found gainful employment in mines, spinning mills and as chimney sweeps - all at the height of Britain's imperial power and prestige. "Let this be a lesson," Walsh continued, "that there is nothing so character building for a child, as working a 14 hour shift in a coal mine for a bowl of gruel with the overseer's lash as a schoolmaster." Taking the opportunity to promote his party's energy plan, Walsh offered a market-based solution to the thousands of children dependent on child support legislation: "America is the Saudi Arabia of coal, we just need to allow the free markets to make use of it. By eliminating cumbersome government regulations regarding mandatory child support payments and child labor laws, we create a win-win situation, in which a whole generation of otherwise young and healthy future welfare recipients is promptly put to work securing our energy independence."
35 | Gus Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:10:56am |
California grade school students learning about Harvey Milk in history class! We can only conclude that America will not survive the next 20 years because of this! America is finished!
36 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:12:18am |
"That is, if I may say, some of the most free-range, organically grown, disingenuous, ideologically marinated, un-self-awareness I've ever seen in the wild."
HAHAHAHAHA
37 | Gus Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:17:42am |
Run for teh hills! Obama science czar, Dr. Holdren, will lead to the forced sterilization of American citizens!!11ty
Remember that?
39 | Kragar Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:20:29am |
White House rick rolls bored twitter follower
A man found the most recent White House correspondence briefing a bit dull, so he did what any other person would do: He posted a tweet complaining about it. A few moments later he received a reply from the official White House Twitter account. It was an apology which included a link to "something more fun."
Who says the government never listens?
40 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:20:59am |
re: #37 Gus 802
Remember that?
BY CHUCKING THEM INTO LUNAR VOLCANOES!
*That whole lunar volcano thing will be stuck in my head until it explodes*
41 | Ericus58 Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:23:05am |
re: #33 celticdragon
Tangentially on topic...
Wingnuts at Politico are screaming over the "hit piece" on Congressman Joe Walsh and his little $117,000 child support problem. Conservative victim and all that.
Commenter Reel'mericun has one of the best faux derp replies I have ever seen...
Any man (or woman) that has the means to pay their child support obligation and chooses not to - they are scum.
And when you say that you are the party that "protects the children" as in the unborn.... What the Fuck about those you've brought into this world and are responsible for?!
Oh, this subject just gets my dandur up...
42 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:25:50am |
re: #35 Gus 802
I have a Harvey Milk t-shirt. My children are DOOOOOMED.
43 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:27:52am |
44 | theheat Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:29:51am |
re: #41 Ericus58
Anything after fetal heartbeat needs to deal with Personal Responsibility™.
45 | Spocomptonite Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:31:19am |
OT:
I just heard about this car accident. It's kind of a metaphor for our government/economy.
46 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jul 28, 2011 11:40:21am |
re: #44 theheat
Anything after fetal heartbeat needs to deal with Personal Responsibility™.
If only some lulzy malware author would write a virus that specifically targets fetal heartbeat monitors and plays "Never Gonna Give You Up" instead of fetal heartbeat sounds. I bet the people behind Stuxnet could get this going.
47 | wrenchwench Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:09:21pm |
re: #46 negativ
If only some lulzy malware author would write a virus that specifically targets fetal heartbeat monitors and plays "Never Gonna Give You Up" instead of fetal heartbeat sounds. I bet the people behind Stuxnet could get this going.
The Rick Roll, now in *ULTRA*SOUND*.