1 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:28:14pm |
This is a good opportunity to post Pat Metheny's rant against Kenny G.
[Link: www.jazzoasis.com...]
Not long ago, Kenny G put out a recording where he overdubbed himself on top of a 30+ year old Louis Armstrong record, the track "What a Wonderful World". With this single move, Kenny G became one of the few people on earth I can say that I really can't use at all - as a man, for his incredible arrogance to even consider such a thing, and as a musician, for presuming to share the stage with the single most important figure in our music.
This type of musical necrophilia - the technique of overdubbing on the preexisting tracks of already dead performers - was weird when Natalie Cole did it with her dad on "Unforgettable" a few years ago, but it was her dad. When Tony Bennett did it with Billie Holiday it was bizarre, but we are talking about two of the greatest singers of the 20th century who were on roughly the same level of artistic accomplishment. When Larry Coryell presumed to overdub himself on top of a Wes Montgomery track, I lost a lot of the respect that I ever had for him - and I have to seriously question the fact that I did have respect for someone who could turn out to have such unbelievably bad taste and be that disrespectful to one of my personal heroes.
But when Kenny G decided that it was appropriate for him to defile the music of the man who is probably the greatest jazz musician that has ever lived by spewing his lame-ass, jive, pseudo bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, fucked up playing all over one of the great Louis's tracks (even one of his lesser ones), he did something that I would not have imagined possible.
Non-musicians and other normal people probably won't care. Everyone else, read the whole thing.
2 | jaunte Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:29:22pm |
Pat Metheny-What's It All About
The Sound of Silence (Paul Simon)
Cherish (Terry Kirkman)
Alfie (Burt Bacharach & Hal David)
Pipeline (Bob Spickard & Brian Carman)
Garota de Ipanema (Antonio Carlos Jobim & Vinicius de Moraes)
Rainy Days and Mondays (Roger S. Nichols & Paul H. Williams)
That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be (Carly Simon & Jacob Brackman)
Slow Hot Wind (Henry Mancini & Normal Gimbel)
Betcha by Golly, Wow (Thomas Bell & Linda Creed)
And I Love Her (John Lennon & Paul McCartney)
Listening to LGF has generated lot of music purchases for me in the last four years. Here's another one; thanks!
3 | Gus Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:37:27pm |
I give her all my love
That's all I do
And if you saw my love
You'd love her too
I love her
She gives me everything
And tenderly
The kiss my lover brings
She brings to me
And I love her
A love like ours
Could never die
As long as I
Have you near me
Bright are the stars that shine
Dark is the sky
I know this love of mine
Will never die
And I love her
Bright are the stars that shine
Dark is the sky
I know this love of mine
Will never die
And I love her
4 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:42:47pm |
I have a new Libya Page.
Decent amount of changes, but no riot in an embassy, sadly.
5 | Kragar Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:47:05pm |
6 | Mocking Jay Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:48:52pm |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Rick Perry: Evolution Is A Myth And Same-Sex Marriage Should Be Illegal
That hair... where did it come from?
7 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:50:36pm |
re: #6 JasonA
Evolution is a fact.
However, Perry's hair does not involve evolution. It was designed, though not intelligently.
8 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:52:04pm |
9 | jaunte Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:52:32pm |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hey Farah, that's the least of your reasons to feel that way!
Joseph Farah: “I feel unclean for the nice things I have said about him (Perry) to date.”
10 | Mocking Jay Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:53:50pm |
re: #7 ProLifeLiberal
Evolution is a fact.
However, Perry's hair does not involve evolution. It was designed, though not intelligently.
Don't be a hater. That's some damn good hair. Wasted warming vacant space, but nice nonetheless...
11 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:54:56pm |
Wikipedia took out all the stops in describing Breivik.
The Norwegian Police Service arrested Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old Norwegian christian terrorist, christofascist, right-wing terrorist, for the mass shootings in Utøya and subsequently charged him with both attacks.
12 | Digital Display Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:58:07pm |
That was an awesome clip.. At first I thought he was doing a drop A or something...Then even an E..But no.. He is so talented
13 | jvic Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:58:18pm |
re: #6 JasonA
That hair... where did it come from?
It's not hair. It's Perry's alien master whose tendrils penetrate his brain.
14 | Mocking Jay Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:59:07pm |
re: #11 ProLifeLiberal
Wikipedia took out all the stops in describing Breivik.
Many dozens of keyboard warriors shall now take to battle on this unprotected battleground...
15 | elizajane Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:05:52pm |
re: #13 jvic
It's not hair. It's Perry's alien master whose tendrils penetrate his brain.
Indeed. The last person to serve that alien master is currently awaiting sentencing in Chicago for a lengthy string of corruption charges.
Why has nobody put two and two together before??
16 | Gus Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:07:18pm |
While surfing the internet now I saw this cute little baby. I found out she passed away in 2009 after living less than 2 years. She was a preemie. So sad.
17 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:17:02pm |
re: #1 negativ
Wow. Thank you for that pointer.
18 | Not Approved By The MPAA Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:33:21pm |
Something to add, on a musical scale:
Great stuff, powerful on a lot of different levels. More so, the older you get. Not sure why I picked them tonight, though.
Hope you enjoy...!
--LWC
19 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:40:13pm |
re: #7 ProLifeLiberal
Evolution is a fact.
However, Perry's hair does not involve evolution. It was designed, though not intelligently.
Molly Ivins is sorely missed right now. I can only imagine what she would say about John Boo-Hoo Boehner and Rick Perry's absurd presidential aspirations. I envision her saying in that kindly but matter-of-fact tone, "It's impolite to make fun of them like that. They're dipshits, honey. They can't help it."
20 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:44:46pm |
21 | Kragar Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:46:51pm |
23 | Gus Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:49:45pm |
Classy...
@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Moochelle's ass needs its own ZIP code
@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Our debt isn't as big as Moochelle's fat ass.
24 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:54:27pm |
re: #18 Leftwingconspirator
Something to add, on a musical scale:
I've always found "Night" to be the only thing that ever got a lick of sympathy out of me for any confederate. My ancestors were from Wisconsin & New York. Our Wisconsin land was bought on the basis of Union service.) There is still a strong sense in my family of the south as "The Enemy". It impacts our politics and lifestyle choices very strongly. I still wear army blue or my crossed rifles with a sense of pride, for example.
The ultimate irony is that Robbie Robinson is Canadian.
25 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:55:47pm |
re: #23 Gus 802
Classy...
@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Moochelle's ass needs its own ZIP code@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Our debt isn't as big as Moochelle's fat ass.
It is my view that any objections to Michelle Obama's ass are entirely misguided and utterly without merit.
26 | Kragar Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:57:43pm |
re: #25 negativ
It is my view that any objections to Michelle Obama's ass are entirely misguided and utterly without merit.
Now if he said "The budget is as bloated as Hagee's jowls" it would be funny...
27 | sagehen Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:58:11pm |
re: #16 Gus 802
While surfing the internet now I saw this cute little baby. I found out she passed away in 2009 after living less than 2 years. She was a preemie. So sad.
she looks like an elf.
28 | sagehen Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:00:07pm |
re: #23 Gus 802
Classy...
@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Moochelle's ass needs its own ZIP code@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Our debt isn't as big as Moochelle's fat ass.
well... what did you expect from people who think Ann Coulter is the epitome of femininity?
29 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:00:18pm |
re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Now if he said "The budget is as bloated as Hagee's jowls" it would be funny...
As wobbly as Mitch McConnell's backup chin...
31 | sagehen Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:10:47pm |
something silly, for those who need a distraction
32 | austin_blue Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:19:30pm |
I guess what most impresses me is that he has taken a classic melody, 45 years old, and put his stamp on it, while still respecting the original tune.
Both are brilliant. Sweet!
33 | Kragar Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:19:44pm |
re: #31 sagehen
something silly, for those who need a distraction
[Video]
WHAT MANNER OF DEVILRY IS THIS?
36 | Kragar Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:46:27pm |
37 | Targetpractice Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:48:33pm |
38 | Kragar Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:54:01pm |
re: #37 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, does that make you a zombie?
More of a lich, or perhaps a wight.
39 | Kronocide Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:54:45pm |
Just listening to this, hard to get my zombie on.
40 | Kragar Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:59:08pm |
41 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:00:18am |
re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
More of a lich, or perhaps a wight.
Oh...so, do I still shoot you in the head?
42 | Kragar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:07:42am |
re: #41 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oh...so, do I still shoot you in the head?
If it makes you feel better
43 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:10:32am |
re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If it makes you feel better
Well, if you're gonna make me feel guilty, then I'm not gonna do it!
//
47 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:35:22am |
48 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:39:02am |
Pretty good NYT opinion piece by Thomas Hegghammer:
The Rise of the Macro-Nationalists
On closer inspection, however, Mr. Breivik’s worldview does not fit squarely into any of the established categories of right-wing ideology, like white supremacism, ultranationalism or Christian fundamentalism. Rather, it reveals a new doctrine of civilizational war that represents the closest thing yet to a Christian version of Al Qaeda.
[…]
Indeed, the more belligerent part of Mr. Breivik’s ideology has less in common with counterjihad than with its archenemy, Al Qaeda. Both Mr. Breivik and Al Qaeda see themselves as engaged in a civilizational war between Islam and the West that extends back to the Crusades. Both fight on behalf of transnational entities: the “ummah” — or “community” of all Muslims — in the case of Al Qaeda, and Europe in the case of Mr. Breivik. Both frame their struggle as defensive wars of survival. Both hate their respective governments for collaborating with the outside enemy. Both use the language of martyrdom (Mr. Breivik calls his attack a “martyrdom operation”). Both call themselves knights, and espouse medieval ideals of chivalry. Both lament the erosion of patriarchy and the emancipation of women.
Of course, these similarities should not be taken to mean that Mr. Breivik is inspired by or emulates Al Qaeda. Rather, they suggest that Mr. Breivik and Al Qaeda are manifestations of the same generic ideological phenomenon: “macro-nationalism,” a variant of nationalism applied to clusters of nation-states held together by a notion of shared identity, like “the West” or the “ummah.”
Not agreeing with everything in there, but def. worth a read.
Meanwhile, Bill O'Reilly is still lying: [Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
49 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:39:18am |
re: #48 000G
oops, forgot link: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]
50 | Varek Raith Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:42:11am |
re: #48 000G
Pretty good NYT opinion piece by Thomas Hegghammer:
The Rise of the Macro-Nationalists
Not agreeing with everything in there, but def. worth a read.
Meanwhile, Bill O'Reilly is still lying: [Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
You can't explain that!
52 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:54:12am |
How about the 1,500-page manifesto witht eh cross on the cover and the pages on defeding christian civilization?
Let me again repeat the Talking Point that is central to this form of denial:
Christ forbids violence, therefore no mass murderer can be a True Christian
Muhammad demands violence in the name of Allah, therefore all Muslims are mass murderers or potential mass murderers.
Which leads to the corollary that is at the heart of the AJ movement:
In fact, Muslims who simply live peacefully and tolerate others are either not True Muslims or are hiding thier true intentions.
That is what allows them to label calling Brevik a Christian as left-wingmedia bias while seeing suicide bombers who kill children (both of which are forbidden by the Koran) as True Muslims.
In the end, both the AJ folks and the fundamentalist mullahs agree that the only True Muslims are violent, murderous ones. Amazing how warped minds think the same...
53 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:54:34am |
re: #48 000G
Maybe I'm missing something. The Boston Herald piece was more of a bash on the NYT. I didn't see anything about O'Reilly.
54 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:56:44am |
re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar
Maybe I'm missing something. The Boston Herald piece was more of a bash on the NYT. I didn't see anything about O'Reilly.
O'Reilly wrote it. His name is in the by-line, ffs!
55 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:59:44am |
re: #54 000G
O'Reilly wrote it. His name is in the by-line, ffs!
D'oh!! I never bothered to look. And I don't actually recall what the NYT said about the London bombers, but if they didn't mention that the bombers were Muslin extremist, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
56 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:07:37am |
I'm already out of coffee. This is gonna make for a long morning.
57 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:17:59am |
re: #52 ralphieboy
In the end, both the AJ folks and the fundamentalist mullahs agree that the only True Muslims are violent, murderous ones. Amazing how warped minds think the same...
Also funny: the crud Breivik spews against all of Protestantism (as conceived of by his addled brain).
Yet, he admires (and imitates) whackodoodle rwnj America, because they've retained their European Christian roots, unlike where he lives /eyeroll
No True Scotsman is the oldest game in the social/cultural conservative Christian-supremacist playbook. How many Wars of Religion were fought over that very thing?
These No True Scotsman types need a stronger sense of self, outside what some third party like a mullah or "tradition" tells them. Without the ultimate foil -- liberal media, multiculturalism, marxism, infidels, jihadis, mullahs, Emmanuel Goldstein, etc. -- a bigot has no basis for their own identity.
59 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:19:40am |
re: #58 ralphieboy
I'd rather have what Gordon is drinking.
/
60 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:20:12am |
re: #57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Europrotestanism is much different than its American counterpart(s). In Germany and England at least the Lutheran and Anglican churches are large monolithic enterprises, a lot closer to the state and a lot closer to the Catholics in many ways than the variety of American protestant sects.
61 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:33:50am |
I was just reading the comments in regards to Peyton Manning signing a 5 year/$90 million dollar contract. And right on cue was someone pulling the "WE HAVE PEOPLE STARVING IN AMERICA AND HE'S GETTING PAID WHAT!!" bullshit. But at least I know the woman meant it because the entire fucking comment was in CAPS!!!
62 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:35:05am |
re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why do these people hate the Free Market, and by extension, America?
63 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:36:14am |
re: #62 ralphieboy
Why do these people hate the Free Market, and by extension, America?
The woman is just Anti-egg/hand.
64 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:39:58am |
Remember the arguments for such high salaries and bonuses for financial managers: we need to pay top dollar to get the best people...and we bought that fallacy and still refuse to part with it even after we bailed them out.
65 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:42:27am |
re: #64 ralphieboy
Did you ever see "Barbarians at the Gate" from many years ago? It was about a takeover of, IIRC, Nabisco. Good movie. If you haven't seen it, check it out.
66 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:44:59am |
re: #60 ralphieboy
Europrotestanism is much different than its American counterpart(s). In Germany and England at least the Lutheran and Anglican churches are large monolithic enterprises, a lot closer to the state and a lot closer to the Catholics in many ways than the variety of American protestant sects.
Oh yeah, I know that. That's very likely also true for the state church of Norway, also Lutheran.
But the No True Scotsmans, like both Breivik and whackodoodle conservative Protestants over here, are 100% clue free on how Christianity works outside their own preferred sect. (And Heaven forbid they actually read what Breivik laid out as his beliefs.) Remaining ignorant of everything outside their own millieu allows them all kind of lazy slippage.
Then they wonder why they get talked down to, so often.
67 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:47:46am |
re: #66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
One of the big positive things for humanity to come out of the rise of Protestanism was the notion that everybody should be free to read and interpret the Holy Scriptures in their own way.
But that is only part of it: they also have to make the effort to comprehend how other people read and understand their Scriptures.
That component is missing in a lot of modern religious discourse.
68 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:53:42am |
69 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:54:43am |
re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar
Bet this will show up as a subplot in a Carl Hiaasen or Elmore Leonard novel...
70 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:00:59am |
re: #67 ralphieboy
One of the big positive things for humanity to come out of the rise of Protestanism was the notion that everybody should be free to read and interpret the Holy Scriptures in their own way.
But that is only part of it: they also have to make the effort to comprehend how other people read and understand their Scriptures.
That component is missing in a lot of modern religious discourse.
Yeah, from the rwnj sects, anyway. "Interfaith dialogue" exists in part to avoid the kind of misunderstandings that end in bloodshed, pogroms, etc. The RCC that Breivik holds up as "rock of tradition" blah blah understands it.
But trying to avoid that, in itself, is seen by mullahs and other eliminationists as a sign of weakness -- like anyone who thinks they are too good to have their views challenged, they h-a-t-e it lol. /Schadenfreude
"Live and let live" is a very threatening idea to them, b/c it means they don't get to go around eliminating others just for livin'. :)
71 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:01:07am |
re: #69 ralphieboy
Bet this will show up as a subplot in a Carl Hiaasen or Elmore Leonard novel...
I can see that. Generally, things that happen at the beginning of a story/movie that make no sense usually reappear helping to tie together the resolve of the story.
72 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:02:25am |
re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar
like it turns out that the officer driving was whacked on percocet or something...
73 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:08:02am |
re: #72 ralphieboy
like it turns out that the officer driving was whacked on percocet or something...
The officer wasn't drunk. He was taking a drunk to jail, then was hit by another drunk. But, FWIW, Hollywood would make the officer a recovering alcoholic, a closet drunk, or a pill head because it's what they do. It would be a part of removing the mask from the lead character.
74 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:12:49am |
And after buying screenwriting software years ago for $300 plus a $100 upgrade, which I couldn't remove from my recently sold laptop because I didn't have the "key disc", I found free screenwriting software online that you can buy little upgrades for (about $15 each). But the free stuff does everything I need.
75 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:13:35am |
As you can tell, I have read nearly every Carl Hiaasen novel. I am usually not a fan of detective/mystery novels, but I like CH for his sense of shock/offbeat humor.
76 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:14:42am |
re: #75 ralphieboy
As you can tell, I have read nearly every Carl Hiaasen novel. I am usually not a fan of detective/mystery novels, but I like CH for his sense of shock/offbeat humor.
I think he still does weekly columns for the Miami herald. I like him and Dave Barry.
77 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:26:17am |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
And after buying screenwriting software years ago for $300 plus a $100 upgrade, which I couldn't remove from my recently sold laptop because I didn't have the "key disc", I found free screenwriting software online that you can buy little upgrades for (about $15 each). But the free stuff does everything I need.
What's the program? A friend of mine asked me to find them screenwriting software, and it all seems like a hell of a rip.
78 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:34:57am |
re: #77 Obdicut
What's the program? A friend of mine asked me to find them screenwriting software, and it all seems like a hell of a rip.
I previously used Final Draft. It's now only $260 or so. Awesome program. I downloaded Celtx. It's free. I haven't gone over everything, but it has the same basic set up as Final Draft. I know with FD, you can send your scripts to the WGA on the inetrnet and it only cost (at the time) $10-15 to register/copyright it, as well as sending it to writing partners who ran the same software. But, I write alone and if I need to mail an actual copy to the WGA, so be it.
79 | Varek Raith Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:37:24am |
re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar
I previously used Final Draft. It's now only $260 or so. Awesome program. I downloaded Celtx. It's free. I haven't gone over everything, but it has the same basic set up as Final Draft. I know with FD, you can send your scripts to the WGA on the inetrnet and it only cost (at the time) $10-15 to register/copyright it, as well as sending it to writing partners who ran the same software. But, I write alone and if I need to mail an actual copy to the WGA, so be it.
Huh, I never knew they made that kind of software.
Interesting.
80 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:39:35am |
re: #79 Varek Raith
Huh, I never knew they made that kind of software.
Interesting.
I had Final Draft for 12 years or so. With FD, you can also assign voices to characters so you can hear your script being read aloud. Pretty cool. They also have templates for TV scripts, novels, etc.
82 | Varek Raith Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:41:42am |
re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar
I had Final Draft for 12 years or so. With FD, you can also assign voices to characters so you can hear your script being read aloud. Pretty cool. They also have templates for TV scripts, novels, etc.
Sounds like something fun to mess with.
83 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:42:10am |
And Obdi, if your friend want to check out a kick ass writing class, this is it. I've done this 3 times. After the first day of the first time I took it, I was in my hotel dissecting movies that were on TV.
[Link: beyondstructure.com...]
84 | Aye Pod Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:42:20am |
NICE! Jackson Jeffrey Jackson, the world's most innovative jazz trumpeter:
85 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:45:02am |
BRB. Running to McDonalds for a coffee.
87 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:17:13am |
88 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:21:16am |
re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar
BRB. Running to McDonalds for a coffee.
You,,,, RUN!?!?!
How long do you cough after!?!?!
89 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:22:26am |
re: #88 sattv4u2
You,,, RUN!?!?!
How long do you cough after!?!?!
I only run when chased. But I'm enjoying my coffee with 6 creams and 5 sugars!!
90 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:22:52am |
re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar
I only run when chased. But I'm enjoying my coffee with 6 creams and 5 sugars!!
GGAAHHHHH!!!!
Why even bother putting coffee in the cup?
91 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:25:55am |
re: #90 sattv4u2
GGAAHHH!!!
Why even bother putting coffee in the cup?
Remember the Brach's candy stands at the supermarkets where you could mix and match stuff or put in a nickle and get 3 pieces of candy? I always got coffee candy.
92 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:28:04am |
re: #90 sattv4u2
GGAAHHH!!!
Why even bother putting coffee in the cup?
Wot, u never heard of homoeopathic coffee?
93 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:28:54am |
re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was just reading the comments in regards to Peyton Manning signing a 5 year/$90 million dollar contract. And right on cue was someone pulling the "WE HAVE PEOPLE STARVING IN AMERICA AND HE'S GETTING PAID WHAT!!" bullshit. But at least I know the woman meant it because the entire fucking comment was in CAPS!!!
Peyton Manning can make $90 million over 5 years because he is one of a very select few. (I think these salaries are a bit ridiculous, myself, but they are what they are).
And this is a good place to put in a plug for this guy, who I don't think ever had a $90 million contract but who nevertheless did very well, and he has paid it forward ever since.
94 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:29:05am |
re: #91 Cannadian Club Akbar
Remember the Brach's candy stands at the supermarkets where you could mix and match stuff or put in a nickle and get 3 pieces of candy? I always got coffee candy.
And took it home and dipped each piece in cream and sugar so you couldn't tell the flavor?
95 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:30:42am |
re: #93 reine.de.tout
put in a plug for this guy,
AND ,,, note how quietly he has gone about doing it
96 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:30:49am |
re: #93 reine.de.tout
Peyton Manning can make $90 million over 5 years because he is one of a very select few. (I think these salaries are a bit ridiculous, myself, but they are what they are).
And this is a good place to put in a plug for this guy, who I don't think ever had a $90 million contract but who nevertheless did very well, and he has paid it forward ever since.
Warrick Dunn has done more for Tampa then probably most know. He builds houses for single mom's every year. Even when he was a rookie.
97 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:32:24am |
re: #95 sattv4u2
put in a plug for this guy,
AND ,,, note how quietly he has gone about doing it
Absolutely. And raised his sisters & brothers, saw to it they got an education. And he financed the first years of that program himself, including not just the down payment on two homes, but fully furnishing them as well. A heckuva guy.
98 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:32:55am |
re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar
Warrick Dunn has done more for Tampa then probably most know. He builds houses for single mom's every year. Even when he was a rookie.
Many athletes that either played here or are from here have done tons of good work for this area. And add George Steinbrenner to that list, considering the hospital he died in has a children's wing with his name on it.
99 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:33:04am |
re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar
Warrick Dunn has done more for Tampa then probably most know. He builds houses for single mom's every year. Even when he was a rookie.
He's been doing it in BR for a very very long time. Furnishes them, as well
100 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:33:48am |
re: #99 reine.de.tout
He's been doing it in BR for a very very long time. Furnishes them, as well
He'll always be loved here.
101 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:35:04am |
re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar
He'll always be loved here.
And here as well!
I remember the day his mom was killed; actually she was killed one night, working a 2nd job as store security.
102 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:37:49am |
re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar
Many athletes that either played here or are from here have done tons of good work for this area. And add George Steinbrenner to that list, considering the hospital he died in has a children's wing with his name on it.
The point being, many of these highly paid folks don't hoard their money but make an effort to give back to their communities.
103 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:37:56am |
re: #101 reine.de.tout
And here as well!
I remember the day his mom was killed; actually she was killed one night, working a 2nd job as store security.
Dunn in the backfield along with Mike Alstott was known as WD/40. One was a hammer, the other a sprinter.
104 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:39:11am |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
The point being, many of these highly paid folks don't hoard their money but make an effort to give back to their communities.
Most of them wind up broke after their careers are over, due to severe financial mismanagement and people taking advantage of them, too.
105 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:39:16am |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
The point being, many of these highly paid folks don't hoard their money but make an effort to give back to their communities.
Yea. And they don't look for the fanfare of it all. But people still like to pile on about how much they make and stuff. People need to just worry about themselves instead of bitching about others.
106 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:40:35am |
re: #104 Obdicut
Most of them wind up broke after their careers are over, due to severe financial mismanagement and people taking advantage of them, too.
This is why the NFL has rookie orientation. But if they choose to spend more then they have, so be it. Now, if they are ripped off, that's another story.
107 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:40:43am |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
The point being, many of these highly paid folks don't hoard their money but make an effort to give back to their communities.
WHAT!?!?!?
Rich people don't sit in a room, smoking cigars, drinking cognac and have servants tossing hundred dollar bills in the air raining down on them!?!?!?
108 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:41:17am |
re: #104 Obdicut
MostSOME of them wind up broke after their careers are over, due to severe financial mismanagement and people taking advantage of them, too.
not "most"
109 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:41:31am |
re: #104 Obdicut
Most of them wind up broke after their careers are over, due to severe financial mismanagement and people taking advantage of them, too.
Yes, that happens as well.
I just saw a story about some young actress who was paying her mom $7500 a month to help cover her brother's medical bills. The mom apparently spent the money on botox and other "personal" things. The mom has now sued the actress, claiming that the girl agreed to "pay" her $10,000 a month.
Can you imagine? A parent expecting a child to support them to the tune of $10,000 a month? People make money, all sorts of things come crawling out of the woodwork wanting a piece of the pie.
110 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:41:36am |
re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea. And they don't look for the fanfare of it all. But people still like to pile on about how much they make and stuff. People need to just worry about themselves instead of bitching about others.
Curious that we will bitch and moan about actors and athletes being paid exorbitant sums, but a guy sitting near Wall St making hundreds of thousands with a click of a mouse and producing nothing is sacrosanct. I guess they're the 'producers'.
111 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:41:40am |
re: #107 sattv4u2
WHAT!?!?!?
Rich people don't sit in a room, smoking cigars, drinking cognac and have servants tossing hundred dollar bills in the air raining down on them!?!?!?
Some also clean their own monocles.
112 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:42:04am |
re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea. And they don't look for the fanfare of it all. But people still like to pile on about how much they make and stuff. People need to just worry about themselves instead of bitching about others.
Does that mean you'll stop bitching about me!?!?
//
113 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:42:05am |
re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea. And they don't look for the fanfare of it all. But people still like to pile on about how much they make and stuff. People need to just worry about themselves instead of bitching about others.
Well no. I think it's fine for people to note that CEO and other executive officer compensation in the US is incredibly out of line with American tradition and compared to things worldwide. It's an enormous problem for our society and a huge threat to our economy; as the middle and lower class lose buying power, our economy slows, the velocity of money stalls, and we rapidly lose economic power.
But complaining about the extreme corner cases like pro athletes is, indeed, idiotic. Pro sports is a phenomenon.
Plus, those guys get tore up. They get their bodies destroyed, many of them, as I said, wind up broke; I wouldn't trade places with a pro athlete, if it meant inheriting their problems as well.
114 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:44:13am |
re: #113 Obdicut
Well no. I think it's fine for people to note that CEO and other executive officer compensation in the US is incredibly out of line with American tradition and compared to things worldwide. It's an enormous problem for our society and a huge threat to our economy; as the middle and lower class lose buying power, our economy slows, the velocity of money stalls, and we rapidly lose economic power.
But complaining about the extreme corner cases like pro athletes is, indeed, idiotic. Pro sports is a phenomenon.
Plus, those guys get tore up. They get their bodies destroyed, many of them, as I said, wind up broke; I wouldn't trade places with a pro athlete, if it meant inheriting their problems as well.
CEO salaries and bonuses are another thing. I don't see a lot of stories about many of them giving back in this way. Bill Gates being one exception.
115 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:44:36am |
re: #109 reine.de.tout
Yes, that happens as well.
I just saw a story about some young actress who was paying her mom $7500 a month to help cover her brother's medical bills. The mom apparently spent the money on botox and other "personal" things. The mom has now sued the actress, claiming that the girl agreed to "pay" her $10,000 a month.
Can you imagine? A parent expecting a child to support them to the tune of $10,000 a month? People make money, all sorts of things come crawling out of the woodwork wanting a piece of the pie.
My wife's crazy stepmom and her sane father are getting a divorce. The mother petitioned the court to have her daughter's bank accounts cashed out and the money given to her, and their life insurance and any other accounts, as well.
The judge denied it. But people like that exist, and god, I hate them.
116 | RogueOne Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:44:49am |
re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar
Many athletes that either played here or are from here have done tons of good work for this area. And add George Steinbrenner to that list, considering the hospital he died in has a children's wing with his name on it.
Peyton had a wing named after him at the local Indy Childrens Hospital a few years ago. He has a few really nice foundations. As a fan it was nice to see him not only take less than the owner was willing to give but his insistence that it get done this weekend. The ink was barely dry on his contract when they used some of the savings to sign Joseph Addai.
117 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:45:06am |
118 | Shropshire_Slasher Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:45:52am |
Go to Cumbies for coffee, only $1 better than Duncan Donuts. (I can't help it if u don't have a D&D on every corner!)
119 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:46:07am |
re: #114 reine.de.tout
CEO salaries and bonuses are another thing. I don't see a lot of stories about many of them giving back in this way. Bill Gates being one exception.
There's a lot of charitable giving, but it doesn't fix the systemic problem. That's why Warren Buffet, even though he gives tons and tons of money to charity, still advocates for higher taxes on people like himself.
He also lives very modestly, and noted that he feels perfectly happy doing so and doesn't really understand why other people feel the need for conspicuous consumption.
120 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:46:21am |
re: #110 Renaissance_Man
Curious that we will bitch and moan about actors and athletes being paid exorbitant sums, but a guy sitting near Wall St making hundreds of thousands with a click of a mouse and producing nothing is sacrosanct. I guess they're the 'producers'.
There have been several conversations here recently about CEO and Wall St salaries being out of whack. Maybe you missed them.
121 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:46:53am |
re: #118 Shropshire_Slasher
Go to Cumbies for coffee, only $1 better than Duncan Donuts. (I can't help it if u don't have a D&D on every corner!)
Cumbies = Cumberland Farms?
Never tried their coffee
122 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:47:16am |
re: #120 reine.de.tout
There have been several conversations here recently about CEO and Wall St salaries being out of whack. Maybe you missed them.
I don't think he meant 'we' as in LGF, but a broader we in the US.
123 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:47:41am |
re: #119 Obdicut
There's a lot of charitable giving, but it doesn't fix the systemic problem. That's why Warren Buffet, even though he gives tons and tons of money to charity, still advocates for higher taxes on people like himself.
He also lives very modestly, and noted that he feels perfectly happy doing so and doesn't really understand why other people feel the need for conspicuous consumption.
I don't get that either. We're not rich, but we do live more modestly than our income could allow. And I'm perfectly happy.
124 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:48:20am |
re: #122 Obdicut
I don't think he meant 'we' as in LGF, but a broader we in the US.
Maybe so. Still - I didn't see him in those threads. So . . .maybe he missed them?
125 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:49:39am |
Athlete charities:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
126 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:50:24am |
re: #119 Obdicut
He also lives very modestly, and noted that he feels perfectly happy doing so and doesn't really understand why other people feel the need for conspicuous consumption.
That is the dark side of our Calvinist Protestant Work Ethic. the notion that weath is an Outer Sign of Inner Grace.
people feel the need to display their "inner grace"
127 | Shropshire_Slasher Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:50:30am |
re: #121 sattv4u2
Yeah Cumberland Farms, their farmhouse blend coffee is awesome, I never liked Iced coffee until I had theirs. Its like a party in my mouth!
128 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:50:33am |
re: #125 Cannadian Club Akbar
Athlete charities:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Cool (tip of the iceberg) list
Thanks
129 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:50:43am |
re: #123 reine.de.tout
I don't get that either. We're not rich, but we do live more modestly than our income could allow. And I'm perfectly happy.
I like buying my wife things, and I wish we could afford to make sure everything we buy is sustainably sourced and all that, but I don't really otherwise enjoy buying things or having them clutter up the place.
130 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:52:51am |
re: #127 Shropshire_Slasher
Yeah Cumberland Farms, their farmhouse blend coffee is awesome, I never liked Iced coffee until I had theirs. Its like a party in my mouth!
I won't post the obvious joke here.
131 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:53:38am |
re: #127 Shropshire_Slasher
Yeah Cumberland Farms, their farmhouse blend coffee is awesome, I never liked Iced coffee until I had theirs. Its like a party in my mouth!
Thanks
I haven't seen any here in/around Atlanta, but I'm going to Boston next week so I'll pop in to one and try the coffee
132 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:55:41am |
And lemme say this: You don't usually hear about an athlete doing good in the community, but you certainly do when an athlete breaks the law.
133 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:57:21am |
re: #131 sattv4u2
Thanks
I haven't seen any here in/around Atlanta, but I'm going to Boston next week so I'll pop in to one and try the coffee
Tim Horton's rules!!!!
134 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:00:04am |
135 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:00:43am |
re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tim Horton's rules!!!
I've been pretty happy ever since they came to New York. Love their several varieties of maple donuts!
136 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:02:17am |
re: #135 Surabaya Stew
I've been pretty happy ever since they came to New York. Love their several varieties of maple donuts!
My BIL used to send me into Tim's for coconut donuts, knowing the whole time they took them off the menu. Effing jerk!!!
137 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:03:11am |
re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar
And lemme say this: You don't usually hear about an athlete doing good in the community, but you certainly do when an athlete breaks the law.
Probably for the same reason that you don't usually hear about pizza delivery drivers performing brain surgery, but you often hear stories about them delivering pizza.
138 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:04:15am |
re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar
My BIL used to send me into Tim's for coconut donuts, knowing the whole time they took them off the menu. Effing jerk!!!
And you fell for it every time!?!?
139 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:04:53am |
re: #137 negativ
Probably for the same reason that you don't usually hear about pizza delivery drivers performing brain surgery, but you often hear stories about them delivering pizza.
You do!?!
Thats a news item!?!?!
140 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:05:14am |
141 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:05:26am |
142 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:22:45am |
Wonder if this guy is out of money yet.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
143 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:26:01am |
re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wonder if this guy is out of money yet.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Hey ,, they caught Whitey Bulger after decades!!
144 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:33:39am |
re: #143 sattv4u2
Hey ,, they caught Whitey Bulger after decades!!
Also, the press named him "DB" and he flew under the name Dan. I saw on NatGeo or Discovery the suspects initials were actually AB or something, at least the person they were looking into at the time the documentary was made.
145 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:34:19am |
Two Americans jailed in Iran on charges of espionage could be released after a court hearing slated for today
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Lets hope the Iranians aren't just playing a Lucy/ Charlie Brown here
147 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:35:05am |
148 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:35:37am |
149 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:36:00am |
150 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:36:19am |
151 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:36:51am |
re: #145 sattv4u2
Two Americans jailed in Iran on charges of espionage could be released after a court hearing slated for today
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Lets hope the Iranians aren't just playing a Lucy/ Charlie Brown here
As a semi-avid hiker, I have a hard time mustering sympathy for these low-watt bulbs.
153 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:22am |
re: #151 rwdflynavy
As a semi-avid hiker, I have a hard time mustering sympathy for these low-watt bulbs.
I understand, but still, in an Iranian prison for (coming up on) two years now!
154 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:22am |
re: #145 sattv4u2
Two Americans jailed in Iran on charges of espionage could be released after a court hearing slated for today
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Lets hope the Iranians aren't just playing a Lucy/ Charlie Brown here
Dinnerjacket will try to make himself look good. Kinda like with the British soldier fiasco.
155 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:31am |
156 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:47am |
157 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:38:48am |
re: #153 sattv4u2
I understand, but still, in an Iranian prison for (coming up on) two years now!
Captain Oveur: Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?
158 | darthstar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:40:08am |
So, aside from coconut donuts and a wasted glory-hole joke opportunity, what's going on this morning? Have we come to an agreement on the deficit ("we" being everyone here...not congress)
159 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:40:17am |
re: #157 rwdflynavy
Captain Oveur: Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?
Joey, do you like movies about gladiators
160 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:40:56am |
re: #158 darthstar
So, aside from coconut donuts and a wasted glory-hole joke opportunity, what's going on this morning? Have we come to an agreement on the deficit ("we" being everyone here...not congress)
Yes. We decided you owe us all money. So pony up.
161 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:41:24am |
re: #158 darthstar
So, aside from coconut donuts and a wasted glory-hole joke opportunity, what's going on this morning? Have we come to an agreement on the deficit ("we" being everyone here...not congress)
Read something this a.m. that they are crossing T's and dotting I's on a compromise
162 | darthstar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:42:14am |
re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. We decided you owe us all money. So pony up.
163 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:42:15am |
re: #159 sattv4u2
Joey, do you like movies about gladiators
Captain Oveur: You ever been in a cockpit before?
Joey: No sir, I've never been up in a plane before.
Captain Oveur: You ever seen a grown man naked?
164 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:42:26am |
165 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:43:48am |
167 | Shropshire_Slasher Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:44:30am |
re: #164 Obdicut
Awe that cub is trying out for the Rockettes!
168 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:45:04am |
re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar
What does the 49 107 mean?
It's the number they assign to that cub. So, when they write down his weight and health and all the rest, that's under cub 49 107.
He said it's amazingly quickly you get to be able to recognize individual wolves. He can recognize an adult wolf if he saw it as a pup.
169 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:46:51am |
re: #158 darthstar
re: #161 sattv4u2
Read something this a.m. that they are crossing T's and dotting I's on a compromise
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
170 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:47:52am |
re: #168 Obdicut
It's the number they assign to that cub
I wonder at what age the cub can legally change his name!?!
/
171 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:48:33am |
re: #170 sattv4u2
It's the number they assign to that cub
I wonder at what age the cub can legally change his name!?!
/
I changed mine to 714 2112.
/
172 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:49:38am |
re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar
D'oh!! Didn't mean for that to look like a phone number.
173 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:50:01am |
re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar
I changed mine to 714 2112.
/
I knew a guy named Joe Shitz
Growing up, he hated it. took a lot of ribbing
When he turned 18 he had it legally changed to
Frank Shitz
174 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:51:17am |
re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar
D'oh!! Didn't mean for that to look like a phone number.
I just called it
The lady that answered said to tell you that the rabbit has died!
175 | RogueOne Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:52:12am |
re: #169 sattv4u2
re: #161 sattv4u2
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I don't believe that's going to be good enough for Moodys or S&P
177 | RogueOne Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:53:21am |
I'm about to mod my DroidX to CM7. Anyone have any experience with it?
178 | darthstar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:53:56am |
re: #161 sattv4u2
Read something this a.m. that they are crossing T's and dotting I's on a compromise
I don't think it's too late for a clean bill. McConnell is talking about a deal being close but the White House is denying it. McConnell is probably still sore after Harry Reid ripped him a new asshole yesterday by calling him out for his bullshit press conferences while junior Senators were seriously negotiating a compromise.
179 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54:16am |
re: #177 RogueOne
I'm about to mod my DroidX to CM7. Anyone have any experience with it?
Yes
(even though I have NO clues as to what that means!)
180 | darthstar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54:45am |
re: #179 sattv4u2
Yes
(even though I have NO clues as to what that means!)
He's about to turn his phone into a paperweight.
181 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54:50am |
re: #174 sattv4u2
I just called it
The lady that answered said to tell you that the rabbit has died!
You do realize that anyone under the age of 40 has no idea what that means.
182 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54:53am |
re: #175 RogueOne
I don't believe that's going to be good enough for Moodys or S&P
That's the main part about this that pisses me off. Moody and S&P have a terrible goddamn track record as far as giving out ratings goes. Terrible. They've frequently given AAA ratings to crap that turned out to be goddamn junk. Why anyone pays attention to them I have no clue.
The actual market for government bonds is so damn good that its cheaper for us to borrow money to pay for large capital investments then fund them with tax revenue as we go along.
183 | RogueOne Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:22am |
re: #180 darthstar
He's about to turn his phone into a paperweight.
Thanks for all your support! Now you've jinxed me.
184 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:39am |
re: #15 elizajane
Indeed. The last person to serve that alien master is currently awaiting sentencing in Chicago for a lengthy string of corruption charges.
Why has nobody put two and two together before??
Because the only thing Perry and Blago have in common is that they're both assholes. Perry's a Texas Republican whose support is from social and religious conservatives, while Blago is a Democrat and a product of the Chicago Machine. These are two very different factions, though neither are very honest or really democratic. Both are very mono-partisan and hostile towards dissent.
185 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:46am |
re: #178 darthstar
Satt's link was only 5 minutes old when posted. These guys will get it done. Then the media can hope another blonde teenager gets kidnapped/killed to fill their time.
186 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:49am |
re: #181 marjoriemoon
You do realize that anyone under the age of 40 has no idea what that means.
Yeah, but anyone under 40 DOES know how to GOOGLE!!!
187 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:55am |
188 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:56:35am |
re: #181 marjoriemoon
You do realize that anyone under the age of 40 has no idea what that means.
I was gonna mention that people would be shaking their heads. Heh.
189 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:57:28am |
re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was gonna mention that people would be shaking their heads. Heh.
And if you had shaken your own, the rabbit would still be alive!!
190 | darthstar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:57:32am |
re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar
Satt's link was only 5 minutes old when posted. These guys will get it done. Then the media can hope another blonde teenager gets kidnapped/killed to fill their time.
They're going Casey Anthony on the Italian murder trial of yet another American killer who looks good on camera already. The fat blonde host on MSNBC just mocked, MOCKED! Italian police for mishandling evidence...with a straight face, mind you.
191 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:58:38am |
re: #189 sattv4u2
And if you had shaken your own, the rabbit would still be alive!!
Hollywood will be remaking Rabbit Test in 3,2,1....
192 | darthstar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:59:08am |
Okay...time to get my butt moving. At my sister's house as she and my wife are participating in the Tiburon Triathlon this morning...I've got to scoot over to the starting line to meet up and take pictures of them entering the Bay for the swim.
193 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:59:10am |
YYIIPPPEEEE
15 minutes till chicken pot pie time!!
(yes ,,, it's 10 a.m. here ,,, but with the work schedule I'm on thats dinner time!)
194 | RogueOne Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:59:28am |
re: #190 darthstar
They're going Casey Anthony on the Italian murder trial of yet another American killer who looks good on camera already. The fat blonde host on MSNBC just mocked, MOCKED! Italian police for mishandling evidence...with a straight face, mind you.
I keep going back and forth on that story. I can't decide if she's guilty or not but she's hot so I say put her back on the market.///
195 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:00:11am |
re: #194 RogueOne
I keep going back and forth on that story. I can't decide if she's guilty or not but she's hot so I say put her back on the market.///
Is this the Amanda Knox case or is there a new one?
196 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:00:42am |
So are Democrats onboard now with cutting Medicare and Social Security? WTF? And what are they going to cut exactly? This is all very upsetting.
197 | RogueOne Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:01:16am |
re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is this the Amanda Knox case or is there a new one?
Knox is the only hot italian killing american female that I know of. There's probably more though.
198 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:02:18am |
re: #181 marjoriemoon
You do realize that anyone under the age of 40 has no idea what that means.
Rabbit dying reminds me of Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith and the MASH episode where they operated on Radar's rabbit to do a pregnancy test for Hotlips. How's that for random!
199 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:02:43am |
re: #197 RogueOne
Knox is the only hot italian killing american female that I know of. There's probably more though.
Darth said there was another one. Maybe he meant Knox.
200 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:03:25am |
re: #198 rwdflynavy
Rabbit dying reminds me of Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith and the MASH episode where they operated on Radar's rabbit to do a pregnancy test for Hotlips. How's that for random!
I'm not getting the Sweet Emotion reference, but yea, that's pretty random.
I started thinking where they hell was PETA when all those little bunnies were giving their lives for pregnant ladies.
201 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:03:28am |
re: #196 marjoriemoon
So are Democrats onboard now with cutting Medicare and Social Security? WTF? And what are they going to cut exactly? This is all very upsetting.
If you find a list, let me know, because I've yet to see anybody say where all these cuts are supposed to be coming from. Plenty of large numbers and general categories (i.e. "discretionary spending"), but nobody wanting to put their name to any of the cuts that will ultimately happen.
202 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:03:40am |
re: #198 rwdflynavy
Rabbit dying reminds me of Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith and the MASH episode where they operated on Radar's rabbit to do a pregnancy test for Hotlips. How's that for random!
I thought the rabbit had to die? And it wouldn't have had to if Hot Lips wasn't a hussy biotch!!!
203 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:04:49am |
re: #200 marjoriemoon
I'm not getting the Sweet Emotion reference, but yea, that's pretty random.
I started thinking where they hell was PETA when all those little bunnies were giving their lives for pregnant ladies.
I pulled into town in a police car
Your daddy said I took you just a little too far
You're telling me things but your girlfriend lied
You can't catch me 'cause the rabbit done died
Yes it did
204 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:05:08am |
re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I still am gobsmacked by the sheer fucking idiocy of people who think that in the middle of the recession is a good time for austerity measures.
205 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:06:37am |
re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If you find a list, let me know, because I've yet to see anybody say where all these cuts are supposed to be coming from. Plenty of large numbers and general categories (i.e. "discretionary spending"), but nobody wanting to put their name to any of the cuts that will ultimately happen.
If I hear the word ENTITLEMENT one more time, I'm gonna start screaming. All the Dems are now speaking about cutting these programs by way of "Oh yes, there has to be reform" but no one is saying WHAT it will be and that scares the crap outa me. I have (we all have) elderly relatives who are barely surviving as it is.
206 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:06:43am |
re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought the rabbit had to die? And it wouldn't have had to if Hot Lips wasn't a hussy biotch!!!
Radar made them operate and remove the rabbit's ovaries without killing it.
207 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:07:05am |
re: #203 rwdflynavy
I pulled into town in a police car
Your daddy said I took you just a little too far
You're telling me things but your girlfriend lied
You can't catch me 'cause the rabbit done died
Yes it did
Oh crap LOL There ya go.
208 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:08:57am |
re: #206 rwdflynavy
Radar made them operate and remove the rabbit's ovaries without killing it.
Radar is a punk. Remember when Charles (IIRC) gave his rat amphetamines to win a race and he bitched about it? If you're not cheating, you're not trying!!!
////
209 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:11:44am |
re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar
Radar is a punk. Remember when Charles (IIRC) gave his rat amphetamines to win a race and he bitched about it? If you're not cheating, you're not trying!!!
///
Dissin on Radar and Hotlips. Tsk. Tsk. You're treading into bad territory there, son.
210 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:13:36am |
re: #204 Obdicut
I still am gobsmacked by the sheer fucking idiocy of people who think that in the middle of the recession is a good time for austerity measures.
It's political opportunism, nothing more. The GOP's doing what it does best, arguing that its ideology is the answer to America's ills. In this case, they seem to have struck a cord, convincing folks that gutting "entitlements" is the only way to get America's financial house in order. Yeah, after 3 decades of "deficits don't matter," now they all "found religion" and want to tackle America's debt.
Sad part is, the Democrats are buying into it, if only because it's selling with the idiots on both sides of the aisle.
211 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:13:54am |
re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar
You fuck with Radar, you're going to find out your mail has been delivered to Siberia, your leave papers got used to line the toilet, and the mess hall thinks you're a vegan and all your meals are dry toast.
212 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:15:28am |
re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I do find it funny that even the corporations are panicking, with the Chamber of Commerce telling the GOP to stop being such idiots. But they can't control the glibertarian foolishness that they've spent so damn much money propagandizing. Congrats, morons.
213 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:17:31am |
re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If you find a list, let me know, because I've yet to see anybody say where all these cuts are supposed to be coming from. Plenty of large numbers and general categories (i.e. "discretionary spending"), but nobody wanting to put their name to any of the cuts that will ultimately happen.
Chicken shits, all of those who want to cut spending and take no credit for their decisions. What makes these congresspeople think that this won't be remembered in 2012?
214 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:19:57am |
re: #205 marjoriemoon
If I hear the word ENTITLEMENT one more time, I'm gonna start screaming. All the Dems are now speaking about cutting these programs by way of "Oh yes, there has to be reform" but no one is saying WHAT it will be and that scares the crap outa me. I have (we all have) elderly relatives who are barely surviving as it is.
Oddly enough, FDR predicted the GOP's current ideology decades ago:
215 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:21:41am |
re: #213 Surabaya Stew
Chicken shits, all of those who want to cut spending and take no credit for their decisions. What makes these congresspeople think that this won't be remembered in 2012?
The fact that it never is?
Voters remember exactly what media campaigns tell them to. Given the stranglehold Conservative cult media has on the US mass media as a whole, I'm starting to believe that there really are no consequences for the cult from this debacle.
216 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:21:59am |
re: #204 Obdicut
I still am gobsmacked by the sheer fucking idiocy of people who think that in the middle of the recession is a good time for austerity measures.
The problem is the politics. When the public is worried about money is the best time to convince them budget cuts are needed. When they're flush, they don't want to cut back. So it's more of an intuitive rationale, rather than a logical one.
217 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:22:13am |
re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It's political opportunism, nothing more. The GOP's doing what it does best, arguing that its ideology is the answer to America's ills. In this case, they seem to have struck a cord, convincing folks that gutting "entitlements" is the only way to get America's financial house in order. Yeah, after 3 decades of "deficits don't matter," now they all "found religion" and want to tackle America's debt.
Sad part is, the Democrats are buying into it, if only because it's selling with the idiots on both sides of the aisle.
And since when is social security an "entitlement?" WE pay into SS. That's our fucking money. Medicare is a necessity and the closer you get to retirement, the more you understand that.
I can hardly believe there are no other places to cut spending than on necessary programs.
218 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:22:40am |
DING DING DING!!!!!
Thanks Wozzablog; your upding put me up to 2000 karma!
Anyone else care to give me a boost towards 3k?
:-D
219 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:23:03am |
re: #214 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
You should do a page on that.
220 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:23:43am |
re: #217 marjoriemoon
And since when is social security an "entitlement?" WE pay into SS. That's our fucking money. Medicare is a necessity and the closer you get to retirement, the more you understand that.
I can hardly believe there are no other places to cut spending than on necessary programs.
It reminds me of what Reine has said about Bobby Jindal trying to take the stored money in the state worker's plan in Louisiana away from them. It's money they've saved, and he's trying to simply take it. It's kind of insane.
222 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:25:52am |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
The problem is the politics. When the public is worried about money is the best time to convince them budget cuts are needed. When they're flush, they don't want to cut back. So it's more of an intuitive rationale, rather than a logical one.
True. And the GOP-- and the acres of right-wing front groups-- are helping this along, helping to dumb down and mislead the public. It's really aggravating.
The most aggravating part is their lack of knowledge of history. Last time we went into a really massive recession, during the Great Depression, it resulted, in the end, in a huge expansion of government programs and liberal policies being put into place.
Why on earth do they think this time will be different, if they force us into default or tank the economy by slowing the velocity of money?
223 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:26:23am |
re: #217 marjoriemoon
And since when is social security an "entitlement?" WE pay into SS. That's our fucking money. Medicare is a necessity and the closer you get to retirement, the more you understand that.
I can hardly believe there are no other places to cut spending than on necessary programs.
The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt and even with Obama's health care law, that won't change absent major action. Medicare as we know it has to end, it simply costs too much to continue. That will hurt some people in the changeover, but there's nothing for it. This has to be done.
224 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:27:25am |
re: #213 Surabaya Stew
Chicken shits, all of those who want to cut spending and take no credit for their decisions. What makes these congresspeople think that this won't be remembered in 2012?
The same reason it wasn't remember in 2010: The average voter has all the memory of a goldfish and the attention span of a gnat. These are people who ended up convinced that it was the "runaway spending" of a single year that was dragging America down, rather than the preceding 8 years of two wars, an unfunded prescription drug program, and a decade-long tax cut.
225 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:27:50am |
re: #223 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt and even with Obama's health care law, that won't change absent major action. Medicare as we know it has to end, it simply costs too much to continue. That will hurt some people in the changeover, but there's nothing for it. This has to be done.
Changeover to what? What cogent alternative do you think there is?
226 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:28:12am |
re: #223 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt and even with Obama's health care law, that won't change absent major action. Medicare as we know it has to end, it simply costs too much to continue.
Why the hell don't you want to address the reasons why medicare is costing so much-- the rising health care costs?
Do you think it's really an option to just let our seniors go without care by the millions? Or to beggar themselves in order to receive basic care?
Why not fix it, instead of throwing it out?
227 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:30:37am |
re: #226 Obdicut
Why the hell don't you want to address the reasons why medicare is costing so much-- the rising health care costs?
Do you think it's really an option to just let our seniors go without care by the millions? Or to beggar themselves in order to receive basic care?
Why not fix it, instead of throwing it out?
I don't believe it should be throw out. I want it reworked instead. But costs are the bugbear and that's a tough issue in and of itself.
And I should have stayed out of this conversation because I have to leave in 5 minutes. I know that just "BBL" would look like a dodge, so I'm giving advance warning.
228 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:30:43am |
re: #220 Obdicut
It reminds me of what Reine has said about Bobby Jindal trying to take the stored money in the state worker's plan in Louisiana away from them. It's money they've saved, and he's trying to simply take it. It's kind of insane.
Reminds me of how facist/authoritarian governments throughout history would repudiate or seize citizen held bonds/retirement savings in order to finance their preferred spending priorities.
229 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:32:27am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
I don't believe it should be throw out. I want it reworked instead. But costs are the bugbear and that's a tough issue in and of itself.
Yes. And that wouldn't be fixed by ending medicare. What you'd do is cause massive poverty and suffering among the elderly, without actually solving the problem.
I have no idea why you think anyone should support that.
230 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:33:02am |
re: #221 wozzablog
Congrats :p
Hey, I remember these kinda things; still have a soft spot for Zora for her granting of my 1000th karma.
So consider yourself part of an elite group!
:-)
231 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:33:24am |
re: #223 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt and even with Obama's health care law, that won't change absent major action. Medicare as we know it has to end, it simply costs too much to continue. That will hurt some people in the changeover, but there's nothing for it. This has to be done.
End? Really? You have no idea of the fallout of that. You're a young man. Now, if we had universal healthcare, I may, MAY, think that Medicare could be cut SOMEWHAT, but if you want the elderly to die, than go ahead and advocate ending Medicare. And no, I'm not being hyperbolic in the least.
232 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:33:36am |
re: #228 Surabaya Stew
Reminds me of how facist/authoritarian governments throughout history would repudiate or seize citizen held bonds/retirement savings in order to finance their preferred spending priorities.
US Steel screwed my mother out of her widow's pension in 1967, arguing that even though my dad had worked there for 30 years, he ws not retired when he died, so she was not eligible.
Had it not been for Social Security, we would have lost our home and been destitute.
She later found out about a class-action suit filed against USX (the successor to US Steel) and was able to apply for a small dettlement, but it was really only a patch on what was owed to her and did nothing to replace the money when we needed it.
233 | Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:33:52am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
I don't believe it should be throw out. I want it reworked instead. But costs are the bugbear and that's a tough issue in and of itself.
And I should have stayed out of this conversation because I have to leave in 5 minutes. I know that just "BBL" would look like a dodge, so I'm giving advance warning.
I want Medicare as we know it to end. Do single payer w/ Cadillac insurance options for the rich--like the Italian/Israeli model.
234 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:34:40am |
re: #214 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oddly enough, FDR predicted the GOP's current ideology decades ago:
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James Madison also worried about it at length in Federalist #10, warning against the rise of "factions" in the government, which he defined as:
a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.
In other words, the Tea Party.
235 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:34:47am |
Tell me the Medicare cuts first. This is all very vague. Meanwhile, the Republicans who advocate this all back Ryan's plan which effectively guts Medicare completely.
236 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:35:17am |
re: #229 Obdicut
Yes. And that wouldn't be fixed by ending medicare. What you'd do is cause massive poverty and suffering among the elderly, without actually solving the problem.
I have no idea why you think anyone should support that.
Short-term gains, of course. Generally those who are proposing it are either:
A) Well-off enough that such programs will be pointless for them.
B) Convinced that all the money they "save" from those programs ending will put them in group A by the time they'd qualify anyway.
237 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:36:49am |
re: #234 negativ
And, of course, the founding fathers were also extremely leery about the power of corporations, which they saw as a threat to individual liberty and the general public-- and that was back when corporations had far less power and legal protection than they do today.
But hey, that's just the real history of the founding fathers, it's not as cool as the "They were Christ-warriors who ended slavery" version.
238 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:37:54am |
re: #220 Obdicut
It reminds me of what Reine has said about Bobby Jindal trying to take the stored money in the state worker's plan in Louisiana away from them. It's money they've saved, and he's trying to simply take it. It's kind of insane.
He's trying to sell it. He can't take the money because it's was gained from employee premiums so it's not state money. So he wants to sell the plan (along with its surplus) that provides our health coverage with less than 4% overhead, and sell it to a private company that you know will be trying to make a profit and overhead will be 7% or more. How is that saving anything? The plan is partially privatized now, as it is, but in a way that works very very well.
I'm still very upset about this, he's moving along with the plan to sell it.
239 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:17am |
re: #228 Surabaya Stew
Reminds me of how facist/authoritarian governments throughout history would repudiate or seize citizen held bonds/retirement savings in order to finance their preferred spending priorities.
Well, yeah - that does seem to be Jindal's plan.
240 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:17am |
What has to end is the employee sponsored healthcare/insurance. What does ones boss have to do with ones choice of doctor or pharmaceutical plan? Single payer or subsidized individual plans have to replace our screwed up system, IMHO.
241 | Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:22am |
re: #238 reine.de.tout
He's trying to sell it. He can't take the money because it's was gained from employee premiums so it's not state money. So he wants to sell the plan (along with its surplus) that provides our health coverage with less than 4% overhead, and sell it to a private company that you know will be trying to make a profit and overhead will be 7% or more. How is that saving anything? The plan is partially privatized now, as it is, but in a way that works very very well.
I'm still very upset about this, he's moving along with the plan to sell it.
But at least you won't be commie tranzi progs.
242 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:33am |
re: #233 Decatur Deb
I want Medicare as we know it to end. Do single payer w/ Cadillac insurance options for the rich--like the Italian/Israeli model.
If the elderly had adequate insurance, than I guess we wouldn't need Medicare, but what would be the diff? (I misstated my thoughts upthread). It's basically the same thing.
243 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:44am |
re: #238 reine.de.tout
It's really bizarre to me that he's not getting more flak and push-back about it. I think the myth that full privatization always saves money is just too ingrained in a lot of people's minds, more's the pity.
244 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:41:05am |
re: #243 Obdicut
It's really bizarre to me that he's not getting more flak and push-back about it. I think the myth that full privatization always saves money is just too ingrained in a lot of people's minds, more's the pity.
It was completely privatized once before, years ago, and it was costing so much they created the state agency that manages it now.
There's been pushback - Jindal simply ignores it. The welfare of public employees is never high on anybody's priority list.
245 | Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:41:11am |
re: #242 marjoriemoon
If the elderly had adequate insurance, than I guess we wouldn't need Medicare, but what would be the diff? (I misstated my thoughts upthread). It's basically the same thing.
Yup. Just simplifying the addresses for the mailman.
246 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:42:53am |
re: #240 Surabaya Stew
What has to end is the employee sponsored healthcare/insurance. What does ones boss have to do with ones choice of doctor or pharmaceutical plan? Single payer or subsidized individual plans have to replace our screwed up system, IMHO.
My last health plan I got to choose my Primary doctor out of about 100. And the prescriptions were very cheap. Although some weren't covered. (Chatix wasn't covered and neither was Zyban, but I could have gotten Wellbutrin cheap. Go figure.)
247 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:43:28am |
re: #243 Obdicut
It's really bizarre to me that he's not getting more flak and push-back about it. I think the myth that full privatization always saves money is just too ingrained in a lot of people's minds, more's the pity.
Considering how many stories that folks in America have been bombarded with over the decades of companies cutting corners, playing loopholes, and cheating or bullying customers in order to make more money, it still mystifies me that they keep believing that for-profit companies will work more efficiently than non-profits or government agencies.
248 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:43:46am |
re: #245 Decatur Deb
Yup. Just simplifying the addresses for the mailman.
Hey! Scale down the post office. Deliver mail 3x a week. Pay bills online. Who needs them. We could cut huge amounts from the budget.
I should run for Congress :>
249 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:44:39am |
re: #248 marjoriemoon
Hey! Scale down the post office. Deliver mail 3x a week. Pay bills online. Who needs them. We could cut huge amounts from the budget.
I should run for Congress :>
Don't forget Amtrack!!!
/
250 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:44:56am |
re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar
My last health plan I got to choose my Primary doctor out of about 100. And the prescriptions were very cheap. Although some weren't covered. (Chatix wasn't covered and neither was Zyban, but I could have gotten Wellbutrin cheap. Go figure.)
Zyban and Wellbutrin are the same thing.
When prescribed for smoking cessation, it's prescribed under the name "Zyban".
When prescribed for other reasons, it's prescribed under the name 'Wellbutrin".
Insurance companies don't cover smoking cessation aids. Go figure.
251 | Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:45:14am |
re: #248 marjoriemoon
Hey! Scale down the post office. Deliver mail 3x a week. Pay bills online. Who needs them. We could cut huge amounts from the budget.
I should run for Congress :>
The US postal service, by weight of deliveries, is a branch of the direct mail advertising industry.
252 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:45:37am |
re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Considering how many stories that folks in America have been bombarded with over the decades of companies cutting corners, playing loopholes, and cheating or bullying customers in order to make more money, it still mystifies me that they keep believing that for-profit companies will work more efficiently than non-profits or government agencies.
Especially when it comes to health insurance. It's always been a nightmare to deal with health insurance companies. The only bad debt I've ever had has come from insurance companies not paying my bills when they damn well should have.
I guess it's a massive form of selection bias, but it's still painful to see in others.
253 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:46:09am |
re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Considering how many stories that folks in America have been bombarded with over the decades of companies cutting corners, playing loopholes, and cheating or bullying customers in order to make more money, it still mystifies me that they keep believing that for-profit companies will work more efficiently than non-profits or government agencies.
There are some things that private companies will ALWAYS do better than government agencies. Then there are other things that can ONLY be done efficiently and effectively by government.
254 | Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:47:04am |
re: #253 reine.de.tout
There are some things that private companies will ALWAYS do better than government agencies. Then there are other things that can ONLY be done efficiently and effectively by government.
Why do you hate America capitalism?
255 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:47:11am |
re: #251 Decatur Deb
The US postal service, by weight of deliveries, is a branch of the direct mail advertising industry.
Exactly. And bday, anniversary cards? Only adds to the landfill. I'm actually quite serious. It would involve job loss unfortunately, but any cuts would do that. 3x a week is harsh, maybe 4.
256 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:47:40am |
re: #240 Surabaya Stew
What has to end is the employee sponsored healthcare/insurance. What does ones boss have to do with ones choice of doctor or pharmaceutical plan? Single payer or subsidized individual plans have to replace our screwed up system, IMHO.
This alone would be a huge boon to the US economy. Can you imagine how much easier it would be to hire people if you didn't have to factor in their exorbitant healthcare costs?
But no, heaven forbid we mess with the best health care in the world.
257 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:48:19am |
re: #250 reine.de.tout
Zyban and Wellbutrin are the same thing.
When prescribed for smoking cessation, it's prescribed under the name "Zyban".
When prescribed for other reasons, it's prescribed under the name 'Wellbutrin".Insurance companies don't cover smoking cessation aids. Go figure.
I know. I called BC/BS and pointed that out. Then I asked if I saw a shrink and he prescribed it to me, they would cover the DR visit and the pills. She said yes. Then I said that if I quit smoking it would save all of us in the long run. She said yes, but that's not how it works. Heh.
258 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:49:37am |
re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know. I called BC/BS and pointed that out. Then I asked if I saw a shrink and he prescribed it to me, they would cover the DR visit and the pills. She said yes. Then I said that if I quit smoking it would save all of us in the long run. She said yes, but that's not how it works. Heh.
Good thing the gubmint wasn't making decisions about your health care. Didn't you feel so much more free?
259 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:50:52am |
re: #253 reine.de.tout
There are some things that private companies will ALWAYS do better than government agencies. Then there are other things that can ONLY be done efficiently and effectively by government.
Look, for some the Free Market is an ideology, not just a mechanism for balancing supply and demand and directing capital flows to where it will do the most good.
And the Free Market is at best an ideal, it will always require some degree of regulation in order to function fairly and there will be some things that the Free market cannot be trusted to handle.
My favorite quote from Adam Smith, grandfather of the free market (but not a laissed-faire capitalist by any account) was "Markets are there to serve the people, people are not there to serve the markets.
But our current system is leaning towards just that: we are becoming mere tools for creating wealth and not the beneficiaries of the wealth we have helped create.
260 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:51:11am |
re: #258 Renaissance_Man
Good thing the gubmint wasn't making decisions about your health care. Didn't you feel so much more free?
Yes. Because I made my own decisions.
261 | kirkspencer Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:51:14am |
re: #218 Surabaya Stew
DING DING DING!!!
Thanks Wozzablog; your upding put me up to 2000 karma!
Anyone else care to give me a boost towards 3k?
:-D
My dingwhoring takes a different bent. I like my karma to be multiples of my comments. Goo help me, since I actually did a happy dance when my karma doubled comments, I have no idea what I'll do if I triple..
262 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:51:15am |
re: #253 reine.de.tout
There are some things that private companies will ALWAYS do better than government agencies. Then there are other things that can ONLY be done efficiently and effectively by government.
Some things work well when done for-profit, others are an utter wreck. Why? Because the pursuit of profit does not lend itself easily to caring for ones fellow man.
263 | Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:51:15am |
re: #256 Renaissance_Man
This alone would be a huge boon to the US economy. Can you imagine how much easier it would be to hire people if you didn't have to factor in their exorbitant healthcare costs?
But no, heaven forbid we mess with the best health care in the world.
You don't have to factor their health care if you get your more-or-less legal employees from labor contractors and temp agencies. Cyber-serfdom is very effiiecent.
264 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:52:46am |
re: #261 kirkspencer
My dingwhoring takes a different bent. I like my karma to be multiples of my comments. Goo help me, since I actually did a happy dance when my karma doubled comments, I have no idea what I'll do if I triple..
Goo help us all :>
265 | jaunte Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:55:31am |
re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Considering how many stories that folks in America have been bombarded with over the decades of companies cutting corners, playing loopholes, and cheating or bullying customers in order to make more money, it still mystifies me that they keep believing that for-profit companies will work more efficiently than non-profits or government agencies.
It would be very efficient and economical to assemble over-65's in population concentrations for delivery of healthcare, food and other services; of course they would have to be encouraged to stay in that one spot, or inefficiencies would arise. A private prison corporation would have the needed experience for keeping the thing running profitably by reducing the fanciness of the food and drink supplied. We could call it Arpaioville, or maybe the Maricopa Solution.
Unless corporate profitability is not the highest goal of a society.
266 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:55:48am |
Look on greed and self-interest as forces of nature. Like any forces of nature, they hve to be controlled and channeled to bring us benfits.
Flowing water can power a turbine or irrigate a field, but uncontrolled it can wash away whole cities.
And we have been busy dismantling the dikes that contain greed and self-interest in this country because the greediest and most self-interested have convinced us that the water will flow faster that way..
267 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:56:34am |
268 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:57:02am |
re: #248 marjoriemoon
Hey! Scale down the post office. Deliver mail 3x a week. Pay bills online. Who needs them. We could cut huge amounts from the budget.
I should run for Congress :>
The vast majority of stuff I get in the mail is advertising. I don't need and don't want fliers for Home Depot and "pre-approved credit" applications 6 days a week. I don't know how much revenue that represents to the Postal Service, but it's got to be vastly expensive to haul around stuff that most people are just going to throw away.
269 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:57:24am |
re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar
My last health plan I got to choose my Primary doctor out of about 100. And the prescriptions were very cheap. Although some weren't covered. (Chatix wasn't covered and neither was Zyban, but I could have gotten Wellbutrin cheap. Go figure.)
That's all good, but I'd rather my boss pay me more money instead of subsidizing insurance that has gone up 68% in 4 years.
And we all have different priorities. While lots of cheap pills are an attractive benefit for some, I'd rather have the confidence that acidents or cancer (I'm at high risk of both due to my Job and family background) would be fully covered without me ever having to think about the bill. In return, I'm ok with paying more for my over the counter meds.
270 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:57:51am |
re: #266 ralphieboy
And, moreover, since corporations are multinational and since foreign investment is allowed, much of the corporate profits go overseas. That's not even counting those Patriotic Americans who move their companies to Dubai and other places for the tax benefits.
It still outrages me that we let people do that.
271 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:58:53am |
re: #269 Surabaya Stew
So are you on board with Health Savings Accounts?
272 | Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:59:13am |
re: #268 negativ
The vast majority of stuff I get in the mail is advertising. I don't need and don't want fliers for Home Depot and "pre-approved credit" applications 6 days a week. I don't know how much revenue that represents to the Postal Service, but it's got to be vastly expensive to haul around stuff that most people are just going to throw away.
Unless it's changed, your first-class stamp is making up some of the losses incurred by delivering perfume scratch-and-sniffs.
273 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:00:26am |
re: #262 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Some things work well when done for-profit, others are an utter wreck. Why? Because the pursuit of profit does not lend itself easily to caring for ones fellow man.
To me, it's not even about caring for others at this point in the sense of some kind of "charity" which I think the Republicans equate it to. Millions of people have been working their asses off their whole lives in hopes of eeking out some kind of retirement which merely gets their bills paid and able to feed themselves without a steady income. The cost of medical care is through the roof. The housing market is still in the gutter. Utility costs are out of sight. And with few companies hiring even young people, the elderly can't get into the job market. Even those who CAN work won't be hired. How are they supposed to make ends meet?
So you bought your house 30 years ago, you raised your family, the kids are out of the house and your mortgage is paid. Now the house starts to need tending to. The roof, the plumbing, the electric, the septic (if you have one!). No one thinks about these things.
274 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:00:46am |
re: #270 Obdicut
And, moreover, since corporations are multinational and since foreign investment is allowed, much of the corporate profits go overseas. That's not even counting those Patriotic Americans who move their companies to Dubai and other places for the tax benefits.
It still outrages me that we let people do that.
We not only let them do it, we're now considering a "tax holiday" to let them bring the money they've made overseas back home. We did the same thing back in '04, arguing that doing so would see that money put towards increased employment or expansion.
It instead got put towards paying stockholders and investors, with the rest going into fat bonuses for those at the top. Any guesses where it'll all go this time, with companies hesitant to spend what they actually have on hand?
275 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:01:15am |
re: #272 Decatur Deb
Unless it's changed, your first-class stamp is making up some of the losses incurred by delivering perfume scratch-and-sniffs.
I've seen people (both men and women) use the perfume/cologne samples before going out. Heh.
276 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:01:20am |
re: #268 negativ
The vast majority of stuff I get in the mail is advertising. I don't need and don't want fliers for Home Depot and "pre-approved credit" applications 6 days a week. I don't know how much revenue that represents to the Postal Service, but it's got to be vastly expensive to haul around stuff that most people are just going to throw away.
So I have your vote then?
277 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:03:29am |
re: #273 marjoriemoon
To me, it's not even about caring for others at this point in the sense of some kind of "charity" which I think the Republicans equate it to. Millions of people have been working their asses off their whole lives in hopes of eeking out some kind of retirement which merely gets their bills paid and able to feed themselves without a steady income. The cost of medical care is through the roof. The housing market is still in the gutter. Utility costs are out of sight. And with few companies hiring even young people, the elderly can't get into the job market. Even those who CAN work won't be hired. How are they supposed to make ends meet?
So you bought your house 30 years ago, you raised your family, the kids are out of the house and your mortgage is paid. Now the house starts to need tending to. The roof, the plumbing, the electric, the septic (if you have one!). No one thinks about these things.
The reality is that the government's spend years taking money out of those funds, stuffing in IOUs, and hoping that the proverbial rainy day would never come and those IOUs would come due. Well it has, they are, and now the GOP's arguing that the programs were bad to begin with, that the money was "wasted," and ending them is the only solution.
278 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:05:28am |
re: #277 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
With the goddamn irony being that interest rates are phenomenally low right now. The return on government bonds is negative. That means the government can basically make money by selling ponds, compared to inflation.
And yet still people are screaming about the debt, as if all debt is the same, as if a loan at 20% interest is the same as one at 1% interest.
279 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:05:31am |
re: #256 Renaissance_Man
This alone would be a huge boon to the US economy. Can you imagine how much easier it would be to hire people if you didn't have to factor in their exorbitant healthcare costs?
But no, heaven forbid we mess with the best health care in the world.
Yes, a great boon to the insurers./
Are you aware of the differences between a plan negotiated for a large company, covering all employees versus what each of those people would get if they tried to buy individual coverage? Simple; screwed.
In any case, the cost of health care is factored into what people get paid.
280 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:07:29am |
My grandfather died at 97. He started working at age of 9 and stopped in his 80s. He had about $250,000 when he retired. He really didn't even get sick until about 92. He drove a 20 yr old car, never bought new clothes, never took vacations, nothing like that.
When he got sick, it took one year to eat up that $250,000 and then Medicare kicked in, and of course, our family.
How much do YOU think you need to retire?
281 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:08:16am |
re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar
So are you on board with Health Savings Accounts?
HSA's are a viable option for spending of up to 5k a year, but they can't work for hospital stay, long-term sickness, final days, or cancer. Myself, it wouldn't be efficient because I'm a low cost user of health care with a moderatly high chance of needing catastrophic care. For those of us who are realibly prone to being sick or need life long medication, HSA's can be useful. (Who knows, perhaps I'll be in that category one day.)
But again, they are no substitute for Heath insurance.
282 | kirkspencer Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:11:17am |
re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
We not only let them do it, we're now considering a "tax holiday" to let them bring the money they've made overseas back home. We did the same thing back in '04, arguing that doing so would see that money put towards increased employment or expansion.
It instead got put towards paying stockholders and investors, with the rest going into fat bonuses for those at the top. Any guesses where it'll all go this time, with companies hesitant to spend what they actually have on hand?
On the subject of business taxes, a lot of libertarian arguments took another hit from reality recently. The FAA had to stop collecting some of them due to current cuts. The passengers, contrary to libertarian beliefs, did not see savings. EVERY airline at each of the airports affected raised their rates to cover the difference.
"It's mine, mine, mine
For the taking
It's mine, boys"
283 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:11:37am |
re: #281 Surabaya Stew
HSA's are a viable option for spending of up to 5k a year, but they can't work for hospital stay, long-term sickness, final days, or cancer. Myself, it wouldn't be efficient because I'm a low cost user of health care with a moderatly high chance of needing catastrophic care. For those of us who are realibly prone to being sick or need life long medication, HSA's can be useful. (Who knows, perhaps I'll be in that category one day.)
But again, they are no substitute for Heath insurance.
Medical spending accounts the same thing? They are a God send to me and we don't have a lot of medical expenses (knock wood). They also come off the top tax free.
284 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:11:43am |
re: #278 Obdicut
With the goddamn irony being that interest rates are phenomenally low right now. The return on government bonds is negative. That means the government can basically make money by selling ponds, compared to inflation.
And yet still people are screaming about the debt, as if all debt is the same, as if a loan at 20% interest is the same as one at 1% interest.
Personally, I consider the bigger irony is that we wouldn't be having this discussion had the Ryan Plan passed. Why? Because it called for the addition of $6 trillion to the debt over the next decade. And yet, here they are, quibbling over adding just $1 trillion to the debt.
285 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:11:54am |
re: #281 Surabaya Stew
HSA's are a viable option for spending of up to 5k a year, but they can't work for hospital stay, long-term sickness, final days, or cancer. Myself, it wouldn't be efficient because I'm a low cost user of health care with a moderatly high chance of needing catastrophic care. For those of us who are realibly prone to being sick or need life long medication, HSA's can be useful. (Who knows, perhaps I'll be in that category one day.)
But again, they are no substitute for Heath insurance.
I want to say the HSA a company that I was trying to get in with offered extra insurance in case of a catastrophic illness. I don't remember if they pitched in for it or not. I do know if I had gotten the job and saved money though an HSA, I could have taken the money with me when I left.
286 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:12:17am |
re: #270 Obdicut
And, moreover, since corporations are multinational and since foreign investment is allowed, much of the corporate profits go overseas. That's not even counting those Patriotic Americans who move their companies to Dubai and other places for the tax benefits.
It still outrages me that we let people do that.
We can't prevent it and should remember that other countries allow it too. The reasons they do so are many, not just taxes. The truth is that if you pay attention to market reports and stock values, domestic corporations are sitting on record breaking profits right now. The reason they aren't spending it on capital and employees is that all of them are waiting on the other guy to move first.
Guess who the biggest "other guy" on the block is? Why, the one one laying off the single largest number of people in the country, namely states and federal.
287 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:12:42am |
re: #282 kirkspencer
On the subject of business taxes, a lot of libertarian arguments took another hit from reality recently. The FAA had to stop collecting some of them due to current cuts. The passengers, contrary to libertarian beliefs, did not see savings. EVERY airline at each of the airports affected raised their rates to cover the difference.
"It's mine, mine, mine
For the taking
It's mine, boys"
Yeah, I read that. And Congress' answer? To call on the airlines to either put the money aside for when the taxes come back or to give rebates to customers. I don't know 'bout you, but I'm not holding my breath.
288 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:13:03am |
re: #280 marjoriemoon
My grandfather died at 97. He started working at age of 9 and stopped in his 80s. He had about $250,000 when he retired. He really didn't even get sick until about 92. He drove a 20 yr old car, never bought new clothes, never took vacations, nothing like that.
When he got sick, it took one year to eat up that $250,000 and then Medicare kicked in, and of course, our family.
How much do YOU think you need to retire?
That's a pretty sad story. Certainly, your Grandfather can't have been too pleased that all his savings went to some hospital rather than being able to bequeath it to his children. Nor can I imagine that it was the most efficient use of his money.
289 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:13:08am |
re: #276 marjoriemoon
So I have your vote then?
If your platform involves hanging the last patent attorney with the guts of the last televangelist, then sure.
290 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:14:00am |
re: #286 Naso Tang
We can't prevent it and should remember that other countries allow it too.
Of course we can. You can certainly tax assets that are being moved out of the country. We also don't have to give tax breaks for foreign income.
291 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:14:47am |
When I lived in the states, the only health care I had was a $5,000 deductible plan for around $50 per month, which basically guaranteed that I would not go bankrupt if I had to go to the hospital.
Fortuately I was young and healthy and almost never had to go see a doctor about anything.
292 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:15:37am |
re: #283 marjoriemoon
Medical spending accounts the same thing? They are a God send to me and we don't have a lot of medical expenses (knock wood). They also come off the top tax free.
I'm not sure, to be honest.
293 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:17:17am |
re: #288 Surabaya Stew
That's a pretty sad story. Certainly, your Grandfather can't have been too pleased that all his savings went to some hospital rather than being able to bequeath it to his children. Nor can I imagine that it was the most efficient use of his money.
He had dementia so I don't think he realized it. But it is what it is and I think a common story. Most people don't retire with that much money either.
I'm 49 and when I think about it, I panic that we aren't going to have enough. Particularly not knowing what awful illness may befall us.
294 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:17:41am |
re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar
I want to say the HSA a company that I was trying to get in with offered extra insurance in case of a catastrophic illness. I don't remember if they pitched in for it or not. I do know if I had gotten the job and saved money though an HSA, I could have taken the money with me when I left.
Perhaps some kind a combination of the 2 (HSA's and catastrophic insurance) can be the best compromise solution to our healthcare mess.
295 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:19:30am |
Catastrophic care looks like a good option on the surface, but a lot of our health care costs come from the fact that we place so little value on preventiative care...that is where the whole for-profit approach breaks down because the savings occur so far down the line that they do not show up in any sort of annual balance sheet.
296 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:20:26am |
re: #291 ralphieboy
When I lived in the states, the only health care I had was a $5,000 deductible plan for around $50 per month, which basically guaranteed that I would not go bankrupt if I had to go to the hospital.
Fortuately I was young and healthy and almost never had to go see a doctor about anything.
Sounds like a good plan to me! How long ago was that?
297 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:21:16am |
My employer recently moved us all to the "It's Cheaper to Just Go Ahead and Die" plan, which perversely provides less coverage for a higher premium.
One of the shittiest things was they eliminated co-pays entirely, so now you have to pay full price for eeeeeeverything until you meet your deductible, THEN the insurance will possible kick in if they feel like it.
One immediate effect was that the cost of my prescriptions TRIPLED. As a result, I opted to stop taking a certain one of my meds. This may or may not have been the result they were hoping for.
* Don't worry, folks. It's not like I have a freezer full of dead hookers in various stages of disassembly and elaborate plans for the future, as far as anyone knows.
298 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:21:17am |
re: #293 marjoriemoon
He had dementia so I don't think he realized it. But it is what it is and I think a common story. Most people don't retire with that much money either.
I'm 49 and when I think about it, I panic that we aren't going to have enough. Particularly not knowing what awful illness may befall us.
My dad retired from Verizon at 55 (actually, was bought out) and the deal was they paid his insurance until he turned 65 when medicare or whatever started. He had several hospital stays and rehab stays after being out of the hospital. I was his primary care giver the rest of the time. His every-other-day medicine was shipped to his house. His cost were low.
299 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:22:06am |
1987. With All-State if I recall...I imagine the rates have gone up considerably since then. It worked because I was still young, had no chronic conditions and took care of myself.
300 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:22:32am |
re: #292 Surabaya Stew
I'm not sure, to be honest.
I had cataract surgery last month. My out of pocket was about $4000 because I opted for a multi-focal lens that was not covered by insurance. Being able to see distance AND closeup is considered COSMETIC. Insurance only covered one or the other, leaving you to wear glasses for the rest of your life.
At any rate, it would have been very difficult to afford these lenses (I had the other eye done last year) without the medical expending account. I probably would have gone with the mono-focal lens. (P.S. I'm still wearing reading glasses, but I'm hoping that will stop.)
On the other hand, I now have bionic vision and can see into the future.
301 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:23:59am |
re: #297 negativ
My last real job, you had deductibles with the insurance, but when you hit a certain amount, the company would reimburse you. ($25 for DR visit, $35 for a specialist, etc)
302 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:24:19am |
re: #295 ralphieboy
Catastrophic care looks like a good option on the surface, but a lot of our health care costs come from the fact that we place so little value on preventiative care...that is where the whole for-profit approach breaks down because the savings occur so far down the line that they do not show up in any sort of annual balance sheet.
Good point! Perhaps catashrophic care can be be linked to an annual medical Practicioners statement that certifies that the insurance holder is up to date with tests, vaccinations, moderately healthy life style, etc.
303 | Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:24:32am |
re: #300 marjoriemoon
I had cataract surgery last month. My out of pocket was about $4000 because I opted for a multi-focal lens that was not covered by insurance. Being able to see distance AND closeup is considered COSMETIC. Insurance only covered one or the other, leaving you to wear glasses for the rest of your life.
At any rate, it would have been very difficult to afford these lenses (I had the other eye done last year) without the medical expending account. I probably would have gone with the mono-focal lens. (P.S. I'm still wearing reading glasses, but I'm hoping that will stop.)
On the other hand, I now have bionic vision and can see into the future.
Did they reject the bifocals as 'experimental'? That's another way top keep from paying for state-of-the-art.
304 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:25:34am |
re: #300 marjoriemoon
On the other hand, I now have bionic vision and can see into the future.
Cool. What am I making for dinner?
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305 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:25:34am |
re: #295 ralphieboy
Catastrophic care looks like a good option on the surface, but a lot of our health care costs come from the fact that we place so little value on preventiative care...that is where the whole for-profit approach breaks down because the savings occur so far down the line that they do not show up in any sort of annual balance sheet.
Preventative care or wellness care is great. Not that the government wants to pay that either.
Even so, my mother was a health nut her whole life. Watched her weight, was active, didn't smoke or drink. She had two catastrophic health incidents that could have killed her having nothing to do with how she took care of herself. It's simply biology.
306 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:26:13am |
re: #297 negativ
My employer recently moved us all to the "It's Cheaper to Just Go Ahead and Die" plan, which perversely provides less coverage for a higher premium.
One of the shittiest things was they eliminated co-pays entirely, so now you have to pay full price for eeeverything until you meet your deductible, THEN the insurance will possible kick in if they feel like it.
One immediate effect was that the cost of my prescriptions TRIPLED. As a result, I opted to stop taking a certain one of my meds. This may or may not have been the result they were hoping for.
* Don't worry, folks. It's not like I have a freezer full of dead hookers in various stages of disassembly and elaborate plans for the future, as far as anyone knows.
Horrifying, but not an unusual story either.
307 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:26:37am |
re: #302 Surabaya Stew
Good point! Perhaps catashrophic care can be be linked to an annual medical Practicioners statement that certifies that the insurance holder is up to date with tests, vaccinations, moderately healthy life style, etc.
Then it is no longer catastrophic: just like the notion that taking the right kind of prescription meds can forestall or prevent the need for an even more expensive operation.
But if the meds are too expensive, the patient will wait until the uperation becomes unavoidable.
Like I said, the benefits of that sort of care are too long-term to show up on an insurance company's balance sheet, and that is all they are concerned about under our current system.
308 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:27:17am |
re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar
My dad retired from Verizon at 55 (actually, was bought out) and the deal was they paid his insurance until he turned 65 when medicare or whatever started. He had several hospital stays and rehab stays after being out of the hospital. I was his primary care giver the rest of the time. His every-other-day medicine was shipped to his house. His cost were low.
Because of Medicare, yes?
309 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:28:00am |
re: #305 marjoriemoon
Preventative care or wellness care is great. Not that the government wants to pay that either.
Even so, my mother was a health nut her whole life. Watched her weight, was active, didn't smoke or drink. She had two catastrophic health incidents that could have killed her having nothing to do with how she took care of herself. It's simply biology.
We are talking about statistical averages over individual cases. That is the idea behind every sort of insurance. By allowing insurance companies to cherry-pick the best risks and shut out the rest, we are allowing them to make a higher profit by doing a worse job.
310 | kirkspencer Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:28:09am |
re: #294 Surabaya Stew
Perhaps some kind a combination of the 2 (HSA's and catastrophic insurance) can be the best compromise solution to our healthcare mess.
There are a lot of possible solutions, each (even in compromise) that would be considered "best" for different people.
From my point of view, the core of the problem lies in a simple thing which contributes to the rapidly increasing costs of health care in the US.
Profit precedes public good. The only restriction on how much a company can charge has been competition, and there's been a defacto (though not dejure) collusion that has minimized that restriction.
When a good or service has a small number of providers and is or is perceived as a necessity, lack of controls allow the providers to charge what the market will bear. A valid role of government is to counteract that allowance in lieu of what a host of competitors would do.
311 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:28:37am |
re: #279 Naso Tang
Yes, a great boon to the insurers./
Are you aware of the differences between a plan negotiated for a large company, covering all employees versus what each of those people would get if they tried to buy individual coverage? Simple; screwed.In any case, the cost of health care is factored into what people get paid.
I am totally aware of the difference in negotiation of scale, as that is what universal health care in the rest of the Western world does, to keep health care costs down. Except, of course, here, where health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies don't allow the US government to do anything that might save money like that.
312 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:28:57am |
re: #308 marjoriemoon
Because of Medicare, yes?
No. He died when he was 64. His Verizon insurance covered it.
313 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:30:07am |
re: #290 Obdicut
Of course we can. You can certainly tax assets that are being moved out of the country. We also don't have to give tax breaks for foreign income.
I don't know exactly what you mean by tax breaks for foreign income. Oil company subsidies, which I don't understand either?
However if you mean tax deduction for foreign taxes paid, that is standard practice and would otherwise amount to double taxation.
If you tax assets moved out of the country, that amounts to currency controls. Do you want to have to get government permission to send money overseas? If you did you would get a one time payment and never see the money or the company come back, or foreign investors who would be unsure of being able to get their investments back.
The issue of encouraging investment in the USA is complex and not simply a matter of lowering taxes which are already very low historically (after deductions). We have already lost so much manufacturing that I suspect the domestic mindset has degenerated to not considering anything that doesn't have a quick short payback. Other countries beat us not only with lower labor costs, but with government incentives. We think government incentives are anti capitalist./
314 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:31:08am |
re: #303 Decatur Deb
Did they reject the bifocals as 'experimental'? That's another way top keep from paying for state-of-the-art.
I don't know. They've been on the market maybe 10 years? My doc performed 1000s of the surgeries.
315 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:32:55am |
re: #314 marjoriemoon
I don't know. They've been on the market maybe 10 years? My doc performed 1000s of the surgeries.
They're defined as 'cosmetic' because if you can't see close, you can just wear reading glasses. Thus it's totally your vanity if you want to have fully functional lenses.
But hey, at least you were free to pay thousands of dollars after paying your insurance thousands of dollars.
316 | Surabaya Stew Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:32:55am |
re: #307 ralphieboy
Then it is no longer catastrophic: just like the notion that taking the right kind of prescription meds can forestall or prevent the need for an even more expensive operation.
But if the meds are too expensive, the patient will wait until the uperation becomes unavoidable.
Like I said, the benefits of that sort of care are too long-term to show up on an insurance company's balance sheet, and that is all they are concerned about under our current system.
Unlike life or auto insurance companies that stick around for generations, health insurance companies tend to have short life spans that aren't conductive to long term planning. So perhaps the entire health industry needs a fundamental rethinking.
317 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:32:58am |
re: #314 marjoriemoon
I don't know. They've been on the market maybe 10 years? My doc performed 1000s of the surgeries.
That's all well and good. Let's get to the important part: Do you look like Lindsay Wagner?
/
318 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:33:28am |
re: #313 Naso Tang
If you tax assets moved out of the country, that amounts to currency controls. Do you want to have to get government permission to send money overseas?
Why are you comparing individual finance with corporate finance?
319 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:33:36am |
re: #313 Naso Tang
another eason is that we allow foreign companies to compete with us on lower environmental and safety standards. in doing that, we are shooting ourselves in the foot and doing nobody a favorl.
i have no problem with them competing on wages, that is our incentive to work more efficiently and productively. But it bothers me that they can make a profit based on having lower standards for safety and emissions.
There should be tariffs connected to that: basically amounting to the difference in price if they were operating at US standards. That would both protect our industry and encourage them to raise their own standards.
320 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:34:43am |
re: #313 Naso Tang
We have already lost so much manufacturing that I suspect the domestic mindset has degenerated to not considering anything that doesn't have a quick short payback.
This is wrong, by the way. We have more manufacturing capacity and a larger income from manufacturing than ever before. However, manufacturing has become so automated that it doesn't provide jobs. Chemical companies that make hundreds of millions employ a hundred-odd people to do so.
321 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:35:00am |
re: #318 Obdicut
Why are you comparing individual finance with corporate finance?
Huh? I thought you would imagine yourself as a corporation CEO.
322 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:35:24am |
re: #300 marjoriemoon
On the other hand, I now have bionic vision and can see into the future.
When I was little, I was absolutely certain that at some point most of my body would be replaced with cybernetic prosthetics, like a Borg. I looked forward to it, and thought of it as a minor rite of passage, along the lines of getting a driver's license. I was a damned weirdo. Was. I'm totally normal now, of course.
323 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:35:29am |
re: #321 Naso Tang
Huh? I thought you would imagine yourself as a corporation CEO.
When you say 'send money overseas', are you talking about the individual, or the corporation?
324 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:36:29am |
re: #309 ralphieboy
We are talking about statistical averages over individual cases. That is the idea behind every sort of insurance. By allowing insurance companies to cherry-pick the best risks and shut out the rest, we are allowing them to make a higher profit by doing a worse job.
True, but my point is still, no matter how well you care for yourself, you're going to die of something. Not even die, but get sick. It's genetics. Sure, the better you care for yourself, the less you have to see the doc, but conditions like arthritis, high BP, heart disease, etc. are hereditary.
325 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:36:30am |
Best health care in the world!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Now where teh hell is mah Social Security check?
326 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:38:09am |
re: #315 Renaissance_Man
They're defined as 'cosmetic' because if you can't see close, you can just wear reading glasses. Thus it's totally your vanity if you want to have fully functional lenses.
But hey, at least you were free to pay thousands of dollars after paying your insurance thousands of dollars.
LOL yea. I'm so vane. I probably think this thread is about me.
327 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:39:31am |
328 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:40:04am |
329 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:40:33am |
re: #324 marjoriemoon
you're going to die of something
Not me
I plan on living forever
So Far, So Good!!
((although I do already have the engraving on my headstone picked out
"I TOLD YOU I WAS SICK!" ))
330 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:40:47am |
re: #328 marjoriemoon
GAH! I have a rooster on my head.
Which way is it pointing? North, south, east or west?
//
331 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:41:05am |
332 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:41:07am |
333 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:41:43am |
re: #329 sattv4u2
you're going to die of something
Not me
I plan on living forever
So Far, So Good!!
((although I do already have the engraving on my headstone picked out
"I TOLD YOU I WAS SICK!" ))
Watch out! Obdicut has a fiendish plan for your death!!! Actually, he is just going to wait for you to die naturally, so not so fiendish after all...sorry.
334 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:42:13am |
Eeks! You're trying to get me to storm out of here??
335 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:42:39am |
re: #334 marjoriemoon
Eeks! You're trying to get me to storm out of here??
Nahh,,, just ruffling your feathers!
336 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:42:44am |
re: #334 marjoriemoon
Eeks! You're trying to get me to storm out of here??
Not at all, we think you are quite breezy.
//
337 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:42:57am |
re: #333 rwdflynavy
Watch out! Obdicut has a fiendish plan for your death!!! Actually, he is just going to wait for you to die naturally, so not so fiendish after all...sorry.
Oh, no. Obdi's brother is gonna raise wolves and when Satt is mowing his lawn, Whamo!!!
////
338 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:43:30am |
re: #330 Gus 802
Which way is it pointing? North, south, east or west?
//
I have a point
But if I wear a hat, nobody notices
339 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:43:32am |
None of you are well. I hope you all have a lot of insurance. :p
340 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:43:33am |
re: #320 Obdicut
This is wrong, by the way. We have more manufacturing capacity and a larger income from manufacturing than ever before. However, manufacturing has become so automated that it doesn't provide jobs. Chemical companies that make hundreds of millions employ a hundred-odd people to do so.
Partly true. We had this mantra that our "high tech" would be the future, all the while ignoring that high tech by definition doesn't employ many people, and we know how great our education system is in turning out high tech knowledge as a norm./
However, can you tell me why it is impossible to buy a "high tech" manufactured coffee cup, home appliance, TV or PC that wasn't made in China or elsewhere? Japan, for instance is not a low wage country, but one reason we had a slow economy recently is that we rely on many basic materials and sub components from them that were stopped for a while after the tsunami.
Even Lear Jets I see are now manufacturing their latest corporate jet with 15% US based assembly only.
341 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:43:41am |
re: #326 marjoriemoon
LOL yea. I'm so vane. I probably think this thread is about me.
Well you walked onto the blog
Like you were walking onto a Yacht
342 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:44:31am |
re: #341 HoosierHoops
Well you walked onto the blog
Like you were walking onto a Yacht
ROFL STOP!!!!
343 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:45:53am |
344 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:45:55am |
re: #336 rwdflynavy
Not at all, we think you are quite breezy.
//
(I think he just called me an airhead.)
345 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:46:26am |
re: #337 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh, no. Obdi's brother is gonna raise wolves and when Satt is mowing his lawn, Whamo!!!
///
Death by plastic flying suacer
[Link: www.google.com...]
346 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:47:20am |
re: #342 marjoriemoon
ROFL STOP!!!
Why? Are you flying your Lear jet up to Nova Scotia To see the total eclipse of the sun?
347 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:47:37am |
348 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:47:46am |
re: #345 sattv4u2
Death by plastic flying suacer
[Link: www.google.com...]
349 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:48:14am |
re: #345 sattv4u2
Death by plastic flying suacer
[Link: www.google.com...]
A present for Hoops!!
Image: whamo-story.jpg
350 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:48:36am |
re: #347 rwdflynavy
saucer too.
No,,, suacer
(saucer is copyrighted by them,, didn't want to get sood!!!)
//
351 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:49:55am |
re: #323 Obdicut
When you say 'send money overseas', are you talking about the individual, or the corporation?
Does it matter? Obviously I meant the corporation, but it is a small step towards making it individuals if that is left as a loophole.
352 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:49:59am |
re: #339 marjoriemoon
None of you are well. I hope you all have a lot of insurance. :p
Don't look at me. I'm on the Medicine Doctor Healthcare Plan™. Dr. Advil and lots of pain.
//
353 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:51:01am |
re: #352 Gus 802
Don't look at me. I'm on the Medicine Doctor Healthcare Plan™. Dr. Advil and lots of pain.
//
:( I can't upding you for that, though I wanted to.
354 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:52:09am |
re: #340 Naso Tang
Partly true.
No, it's absolutely true. We have a greater manufacturing capacity and a greater income from manufacturing than at any point before. The share of the economy provided by manufacturing has shrunk, but that's mainly because of the explosion of software and financials.
However, can you tell me why it is impossible to buy a "high tech" manufactured coffee cup, home appliance, TV or PC that wasn't made in China or elsewhere?
Because full automation of those things is very hard, and so labor costs are more of an issue.
Japan, for instance is not a low wage country, but one reason we had a slow economy recently is that we rely on many basic materials and sub components from them that were stopped for a while after the tsunami.
If the West Coast got hit by a big Tsumani, then Japan's economy would slow because they depend on us for a lot of stuff as well.
And Japan is a low-wage country when you factor in CEO and other officer compensation. T hey don't have our obscene salaries for CEOs, so that keeps their costs low. In the US, we use cheap Chinese labor and pay officers high salaries.
The problem with manufacturing in this country is not that we lack it, but that it doesn't produce that many jobs.
355 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:52:38am |
I can't resist Marjoriemoon
Morning, just another day
Happy people pass my way
Looking in their eyes
I see a memory
I never realized
you made me so happy, oh Marjorie
Well you came and you gave without taking
but I sent you away, oh Marjorie
well you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
I need you today, oh Marjorie
356 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:53:33am |
re: #351 Naso Tang
Does it matter?
Yes, hugely.
Obviously I meant the corporation, but it is a small step towards making it individuals if that is left as a loophole.
Are you under the impression that we don't already have regulations about foreign investment?
357 | What, me worry? Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:54:31am |
re: #355 HoosierHoops
I can't resist Marjoriemoon
Morning, just another day
Happy people pass my way
Looking in their eyes
I see a memory
I never realized
you made me so happy, oh MarjorieWell you came and you gave without taking
but I sent you away, oh Marjorie
well you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
I need you today, oh Marjorie
hehehe!!! You so sweet Hoops!!
359 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:58:19am |
re: #354 Obdicut
The problem with manufacturing in this country is not that we lack it, but that it doesn't produce that many jobs.
What I said, meaning that we don't have enough of it.
Do you think coffee cups are hand molded and PCs have a large manual component? Have you ever visited an electronics assembly plant?
And it is not just cheap labor markets. The most sophisticated automated assembly plant equipment of all sorts, from packaging herrings in tins, to much of what you see on TV's "How Do They Do It" is made in Europe, not here.
360 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:59:32am |
re: #356 Obdicut
Yes, hugely.
Are you under the impression that we don't already have regulations about foreign investment?
Obviously not enough for you since that is what you want to tax.
361 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:59:53am |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
362 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:00:10am |
Pam posted a signed pic of Sarah Palin for some reason this morning....
This isn't so much an election but a fight for America. The Individual vs the State -- it's a non-violent civil war.
Heh.
363 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:00:11am |
re: #358 Gus 802
No maths this morning please.
//
Morning Gus..Don't forget the Brickyard 400 is on today at noon...Lucky for us it's only a million degrees outside..So I walked Winston at 8am when it was only 90 degrees out...
364 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:01:12am |
re: #359 Naso Tang
What I said, meaning that we don't have enough of it.
Do you think coffee cups are hand molded and PCs have a large manual component? Have you ever visited an electronics assembly plant?
And it is not just cheap labor markets. The most sophisticated automated assembly plant equipment of all sorts, from packaging herrings in tins, to much of what you see on TV's "How Do They Do It" is made in Europe, not here.
I thought that show is produced in Canada
365 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:01:33am |
Been leafing through a old thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
367 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:01:40am |
re: #359 Naso Tang
What I said, meaning that we don't have enough of it.
No, it's not what you said. We have a lot of it. It is highly automated, and doesn't have a lot of jobs associated with it.
Do you think coffee cups are hand molded and PCs have a large manual component? Have you ever visited an electronics assembly plant?
No to the former, yes to the second and third.
And it is not just cheap labor markets.
That's the main part of it, yes.
The most sophisticated automated assembly plant equipment of all sorts, from packaging herrings in tins, to much of what you see on TV's "How Do They Do It" is made in Europe, not here.
Why do think that?
368 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:02:14am |
re: #361 sattv4u2
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
You're not doing the race today? Get on home Satt
369 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:03:01am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
Pam posted a signed pic of Sarah Palin for some reason this morning...
This isn't so much an election but a fight for America. The Individual vs the
Statethe Individual
370 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:04:02am |
re: #365 Sergey Romanov
Been leafing through a old thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Ha! 26 down dings.
371 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:04:50am |
372 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:04:54am |
re: #365 Sergey Romanov
Been leafing through a old thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
A walk down memory lane.
373 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:04:55am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
Pam posted a signed pic of Sarah Palin for some reason this morning...
Heh.
The individual vs. the state: now we know why she quit as governor of Alaska: 2/3 of the land is owned by the Federal government, and one-third of all jobs are with the federal government: she couldn't bear the thought of it anymore!!!
375 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:06:37am |
re: #374 Gus 802
That evolution thread. It has 26 down dings.
I'm seeing plus 38. (it was just 37, so someone here dinged it)
376 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:07:09am |
re: #375 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm seeing plus 38. (it was just 37, so someone here dinged it)
Wait. I get it. Sorry.
377 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:07:38am |
re: #365 Sergey Romanov
Been leafing through a old thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Excellent documentary at the link, by the way. Anyone who doesn't watch it is bad and wrong and should feel inconsolably terrible about themselves.
379 | kirkspencer Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:08:37am |
re: #359 Naso Tang
What I said, meaning that we don't have enough of it.
Do you think coffee cups are hand molded and PCs have a large manual component? Have you ever visited an electronics assembly plant?
And it is not just cheap labor markets. The most sophisticated automated assembly plant equipment of all sorts, from packaging herrings in tins, to much of what you see on TV's "How Do They Do It" is made in Europe, not here.
On that note, keep an eye on micro-manufacturing; things like reprap and other 3D printing. The RepRap dream of a replicator (ala Star Trek) in every house is extremely unlikely. On the other hand, a local shop that can make 80% or more of unique parts based on an assembly code changes things, again.
380 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:08:44am |
re: #378 Gus 802
Roger. Copy. Over.
some names I remember there and some I have never seen or heard of.
381 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:08:50am |
The real question is why is a religious ideology like evolutionary materialism, which does not stand up to scientific scrutiny being taught to children as factual.
What other branch of 'science' insists on providing hopelessly flawed explanations when it is faced by a myriad of statistical impossibilities? Psychoanalysis?! Homeopathy?Abiogenesis in particular is fantasy, it's just wishful thinking.
The Dover case is not so interesting so much for the judge's unremitting severity with the religiousness of ID - which despite my sympathies for ID I understand - but for his swallowing Ken Miller's evolutionary dogmatism uncritically, which is equally fideistic.
There are serious and frankly fatal problems with standard neo-darwinism, as professional biologists know all too well (hence for example the evo-devo school), brushing them under the carpet and pretending that an anti-theistic bias has nothing to do with smothering the critics is a living protrait of Psalm 2!
382 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:09:07am |
re: #367 Obdicut
No, it's not what you said. We have a lot of it. It is highly automated, and doesn't have a lot of jobs associated with it.
You aren't paying attention to what I said. We don't have enough of it.
No to the former, yes to the second and third.
We went abroad initially partly for labor costs and party because those countries were doing all they could to get the business, including shipping our plant capital equipment there. Now their labor cost is rising but they have all the assets and we would have to start from scratch to duplicate it here. They saw that coming. We didn't.
Why do think that?
*shrug* I'm an engineer by education and I know some who work in the field.
383 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:09:08am |
re: #220 Obdicut
It reminds me of what Reine has said about Bobby Jindal trying to take the stored money in the state worker's plan in Louisiana away from them. It's money they've saved, and he's trying to simply take it. It's kind of insane.
Kinda like driving up inflation through government printing money…
384 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:10:12am |
This is a good one:
How do evolutionists explain the fact that, in the concentration camps, the prisoners who gave from their meager daily rations to help other prisoners survived, while those who kept every scrap of food they found for themselves perished? This is written about in Viktor Frankl's classic Man's Search for Meaning.
Or, closer to home, how to explain the willingness of young Americans to enlist in the armed forces and thereby risk their lives? From a strictly evvolutionary perspective, self-sacrifice, courage, and love of freedom make no sense -- if survival alone is the goal. There is a higher purpose in life that could only be instilled by a Higher Power.
385 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:10:30am |
re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar
some names I remember there and some I have never seen or heard of.
Yep. I just updinged the post though. But I remember more than a few of the people there. Well, not a perfect memory. Most of the anti-evolution crowd was already quiet by the time I got here in late 2008.
386 | Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:11:22am |
re: #379 kirkspencer
On that note, keep an eye on micro-manufacturing; things like reprap and other 3D printing. The RepRap dream of a replicator (ala Star Trek) in every house is extremely unlikely. On the other hand, a local shop that can make 80% or more of unique parts based on an assembly code changes things, again.
Yes, and what are the prospect in that for employment of the millions of high school dropouts that we produce?
387 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:11:29am |
re: #384 Sergey Romanov
This is a good one:
Eeek! Those are comments from that thread.
Serenity now! Serenity now! Serenity now!
388 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:11:36am |
389 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:12:22am |
391 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:14:02am |
re: #382 Naso Tang
You aren't paying attention to what I said. We don't have enough of it.
I am paying attention to what your'e saying. we have a larger manufacturing base than ever before, and we have a larger income from manufacturing than ever before. It is the nature, not the size, of the industry that's the problem. You can disagree, if you like. But I understand what you're saying perfectly well.
We went abroad initially partly for labor costs and party because those countries were doing all they could to get the business, including shipping our plant capital equipment there. Now their labor cost is rising but they have all the assets and we would have to start from scratch to duplicate it here. They saw that coming. We didn't.
True enough. Not sure what this has to do with anything we're talking about.
*shrug* I'm an engineer by education and I know some who work in the field.
I'm sorry, claims to personal authority aren't really impressive. Especially when you're making claims about the entirety of manufacturing. I work in the consumer electronics field, as well. We have extremely advanced automation in the US-- it does tend to be more for chemicals than tool and die, but we have a lot of tool and die as well.
392 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:14:37am |
re: #389 Sergey Romanov
You can't explain that!
Obviously, the person who wrote that never read Primo Levi.
Have you read him, by the way?
393 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:15:42am |
re: #389 Sergey Romanov
One of the things that kept me on this site even back when it was a lot more conweervative and anti-Islamist was that they had a healthy attitude about science, AGW and evolution, which was not typical of a lot of other right-wing blogger sites.
394 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:16:05am |
re: #392 Obdicut
Obviously, the person who wrote that never read Primo Levi.
Have you read him, by the way?
No, neither Levi, nor Frankl.
395 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:16:39am |
re: #394 Sergey Romanov
No, neither Levi, nor Frankl.
I highly recommend The Drowned and the Saved and Survival in Auschwitz. They are meticulous and incredibly thoughtful.
396 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:16:45am |
re: #393 ralphieboy
One of the things that kept me on this site even back when it was a lot more conweervative and anti-Islamist was that they had a healthy attitude about science, AGW and evolution, which was not typical of a lot of other right-wing blogger sites.
Actually it was AGW-denialist back then.
397 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:17:44am |
re: #395 Obdicut
I highly recommend The Drowned and the Saved and Survival in Auschwitz. They are meticulous and incredibly thoughtful.
To be clear, that's
The Drowned and the Saved
and
Survival in Auschwitz.
Two books, not one, or three. Heh.
398 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:20:00am |
re: #396 Sergey Romanov
I joined in 2007, and as a rule I totally ignore AGW threads, they are just endless bickering, flaming and tailspin
399 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:20:47am |
re: #398 ralphieboy
I joined in 2007, and as a rule I totally ignore AGW threads, they are just endless bickering, flaming and tailspin
I think I have posted 1 comment on those threads.
400 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:22:47am |
re: #399 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think I have posted 1 comment on those threads.
I have one standard comment: "Al Gore!!!"
sets the flamethrowers off like mad
401 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:22:56am |
re: #398 ralphieboy
I joined in 2007, and as a rule I totally ignore AGW threads, they are just endless bickering, flaming and tailspin
Lost of Gorewin™.
AGW threads almost always, and immediately, led to Al Gore bashing. I never took part in the bashing and I'm still not crazy about Gore.
402 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:23:36am |
re: #401 Gus 802
LostLOTS of Gorewin™.AGW threads almost always, and immediately, led to Al Gore bashing. I never took part in the bashing and I'm still not crazy about Gore.
"Lots" not "lost". Although "lost" sounds pretty cool. /
403 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:23am |
Gorewin's Law -- Where all threads on AGW eventually lead to Al Gore.
//
404 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:38am |
re: #401 Gus 802
He made a mistake of thinking he could retire from politics and make AGW a non-political issue, or one that is above politics.
Instead he served as a lighting rod for everyone who denies AGW for political/idological reasons.
405 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:44am |
406 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:49am |
Sorry, but anything promoted by PBS -- global warming, retreat from Iraq, a Palestinian state, the theory of evolution --
should not be taken seriously.
407 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:56am |
Morning all!
Slept for 12 hours straight.
How are you?
409 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:26:15am |
410 | Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:26:28am |
re: #407 ggt
Morning all!
Slept for 12 hours straight.
How are you?
Not bad, considering I woke up this morning to my girl cat puking on my pillow. And the boy cat had a crisis earlier since he couldn't find one of his stuffed toys.
Today's been entertaining. Heh.
412 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:27:36am |
re: #410 Lidane
Not bad, considering I woke up this morning to my girl cat puking on my pillow. And the boy cat had a crisis earlier since he couldn't find one of his stuffed toys.
Today's been entertaining. Heh.
Cat Puke?
How does that happen?
No matter what I do, feed, or administer, there is always cat puke. Must be some law of the universe.
414 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:27:57am |
415 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:28:37am |
416 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:29:32am |
re: #413 Gus 802
You can have my "Moody Blues Live at Red Rocks with the Colorado Orchestra" when you pry it from my cold dead hands!
417 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:30:04am |
re: #413 Gus 802
Quite a lot of cognitive dissonance in that thread, evolution v AGW-wise. How to explain that one is science and another isn't? People had yet to see the light :)
418 | Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:30:28am |
re: #412 ggt
Cat food goes in, cat puke comes out. You can't explain that!
419 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:31:13am |
re: #418 Lidane
Cat food goes in, cat puke comes out. You can't explain that!
I thought about shaving the cat naked. I figured no hair, no hair-balls.
Cat Overlord was not amused at the idea and vetoed it.
420 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:32:48am |
Weather in my part of the world.
Hot, rain, more hot, more rain. Then it will get dark.
421 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:33:17am |
re: #417 Sergey Romanov
Quite a lot of cognitive dissonance in that thread, evolution v AGW-wise. How to explain that one is science and another isn't? People had yet to see the light :)
Did you see this one?
Well i find it funny that people rather believe they evolved (collectivist codeword)from a monkey rather being created a Unique Individual. But hay if their is no hard right and wrong who to say raping a women is wrong or hell if their is no right or wrong who is to say hitler was wrong for killing the Jews hell hitler used evolution as a justification for his Butchery. Without a Hard right and wrong who is to say the kkk was wrong for oppressing black people or maybe the muslims are right for making women be their slaves thats where Moral Relativism leads to.
It's got -9. No one updinged it. Fortunately. Weird stuff.
422 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:33:28am |
re: #419 ggt
I thought about shaving the cat naked. I figured no hair, no hair-balls.
Cat Overlord was not amused at the idea and vetoed it.
Why do you have to be naked to shave a cat?
/
423 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:34:11am |
re: #416 Cannadian Club Akbar
You can have my "Moody Blues Live at Red Rocks with the Colorado Orchestra" when you pry it from my cold dead hands!
You need an intervention. Nobody was meant to voluntarily wear Polo shirts, pleated khaki pants, and brown shoes with the little tassels on them.
424 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:34:41am |
re: #414 ggt
Me, I'm awake and on my first cuppa.
Well good morning princess..The first cup of Java is always the best...
I got up early to watch the Hungarian Grad Prix live..Went to breakfast with Winston tagging along.. Walked the Dog..Talked to Paulie out at the track..Rascal Flatts is playing right now.. Wishing I was in Indy today at the track with my buds..I do have cold beer and snacks
425 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:00am |
re: #420 ggt
Weather in my part of the world.
Hot, rain, more hot, more rain. Then it will get dark.
427 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:11am |
428 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:14am |
re: #421 Gus 802
What a creep, eh?
429 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:23am |
Stared Claudius the God on audio. So far, so good.
In all of my Rome reading this year, I have yet to see any examples of how human beings have evolved since Romulus and Remus.
430 | Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:03am |
re: #419 ggt
I thought about shaving the cat naked. I figured no hair, no hair-balls.
Cat Overlord was not amused at the idea and vetoed it.
I know this is a dumb question, but have you tried hairball control cat food? Some of them are a bit pricey, but given the choice of paying more for food or cleaning up hairballs, I know what I'd choose.
431 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:11am |
re: #421 Gus 802
Did you see this one?
It's got -9. No one updinged it. Fortunately. Weird stuff.
evolving from monkeys = KKK.
How does that happen?
432 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:19am |
re: #421 Gus 802
Apparently one of those folks who are only prevented from going on a murderous rampage by supposed scriptures.
433 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:43am |
re: #428 Sergey Romanov
What a creep, eh?
Yeah. And who'd of thought that evolution was about "moral relativism". And a "collectivist code word" to boot. Huh wut? Sheesh.
435 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:37:08am |
436 | Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:37:32am |
re: #433 Gus 802
Yeah. And who'd of thought that evolution was about "moral relativism". And a "collectivist code word" to boot. Huh wut? Sheesh.
Well of course evolution is about moral relativism. It's DARWIN, don'tcha know.
///
437 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:38:17am |
re: #436 Lidane
Well of course evolution is about moral relativism. It's DARWIN, don'tcha know.
///
Clearly it was a conspiracy all along and Darwin was really born in Kenya!!
//
439 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:39:30am |
Alrighty. I'm getting nothing done sitting here. So I'm gonna go sit over there and do the same for a bit. BBL.
441 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:40:06am |
re: #424 HoosierHoops
Well good morning princess..The first cup of Java is always the best...
I got up early to watch the Hungarian Grad Prix live..Went to breakfast with Winston tagging along.. Walked the Dog..Talked to Paulie out at the track..Rascal Flatts is playing right now.. Wishing I was in Indy today at the track with my buds..I do have cold beer and snacks
haha,
My Jewish Father (good friend, he and his wife "adopted" me when I moved to Chicago) told his granddaughter that I was the only JAP he has ever met.
He and his wife must be responsible, or I was Jewish in a past life.
442 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:40:51am |
re: #440 Gus 802
The
renttemperature is too damn high!//
I blame the laywers hired by the weather forecasters.
443 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:41:36am |
re: #425 negativ
On the other hand, people around here break out the parkas and winter survival gear when the temperature drops below 50F, so there's that.
444 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:42:42am |
re: #443 negativ
On the other hand, people around here break out the parkas and winter survival gear when the temperature drops below 50F, so there's that.
Yeah, I lived in the Southern parts of Ohio and Indiana for a while. People there are wimpy when it comes to mild temperatures.
Around here, people where shorts when it is in the 20's.
445 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:43:09am |
446 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:43:45am |
Anyone ever heard of n-back training?
I downloaded the "game". It's freakin' hard.
or Maybe I'm just old.
447 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:44:30am |
re: #442 ggt
I blame the laywers hired by the weather forecasters.
...
The hot weather is being created by left wing and Democrat Party scientists to lull the people into submission about GOREBAL WARMING!!11ty -- Redstate
448 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:45:17am |
449 | Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:45:45am |
Hmm. Looks like MoveOn is not happy about whatever debt deal is in the works, at least according to Twitter.
450 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:46:02am |
re: #449 Lidane
Hmm. Looks like MoveOn is not happy about whatever debt deal is in the works, at least according to Twitter.
Is anyone happy about it?
451 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:47:19am |
re: #449 Lidane
I think a lot of people are overlooking that whatever is decided in the deal can likewise be undone by new legislation. There isn't a way to pinky-swear this for all eternity.
If the GOP continues its current attitudes and continues to control the house or the senate, then we're fucked anyway. The only way out of this mess is the GOP being defeated soundly, or waking the hell up to fiscal sensibility.
452 | laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:47:38am |
re: #450 ggt
At this point, I'm just hoping I can get employed before EVERYONE DIES or whatever is supposed to happen after Wednesday.
One shop I sent an app to starts putting out calls on Tuesday, so...
453 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:48:58am |
re: #452 laZardo
At this point, I'm just hoping I can get employed before EVERYONE DIES or whatever is supposed to happen after Wednesday.
One shop I sent an app to starts putting out calls on Tuesday, so...
Well, the Mayan Calendar and all. 2012 is pretty close.
But I think Wednesday is just going to be another day.
Politicans and Pundits are the only ones going to be affected.
454 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:49:07am |
High temperature are the result of SATANIC LEFT WINGERS asking the DEVIL!!11ty to make hot temperatures for the eventual COMMUNISTIC-HOMOSEXUAL-MOOSLIM-TRANZI INTERNATIONALIST overthrow of this once GOD FEARING NATION!!11ty
455 | laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:49:56am |
re: #451 Obdicut
If the GOP continues its current attitudes and continues to control the house or the senate, then we're fucked anyway. The only way out of this mess is the GOP being defeated soundly, or waking the hell up to fiscal sensibility.
Yeah, we're totally proper-fucked.
456 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:50:16am |
I need mah buckets cuz it's going to rain!
Not really. I just felt like typing that.
457 | Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:51:55am |
re: #450 ggt
Is anyone happy about it?
Not really. But the alternative of a default is so much worse.
And all of this is nothing but staged bullshit. The same assholes opposing an increase now were talking about how raising the debt limit was a solemn obligation when Bush was in power.
458 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:53:10am |
re: #444 ggt
Yeah, I lived in the Southern parts of Ohio and Indiana for a while. People there are wimpy when it comes to mild temperatures.
Around here, people where shorts when it is in the 20's.
I'm not sure if this is strictly a Texas phenomenon, but every winter without fail you can expect to see people dressed from the waist up like they're climbing Mount Everest - heavy down-filled coats, hoods, gloves, mirrored aviator sunglasses. They look like an epic National Geographic EXPLORERS portrait waiting to be made, with ice crystals forming in their rugged mountain-man beard (even the ladies).
But they're also wearing SHORTS.
459 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:53:25am |
460 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:54:14am |
re: #458 negativ
I'm not sure if this is strictly a Texas phenomenon, but every winter without fail you can expect to see people dressed from the waist up like they're climbing Mount Everest - heavy down-filled coats, hoods, gloves, mirrored aviator sunglasses. They look like an epic National Geographic EXPLORERS portrait waiting to be made, with ice crystals forming in their rugged mountain-man beard (even the ladies).
But they're also wearing SHORTS.
That makes sense.
//
461 | laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:55:03am |
re: #453 ggt
Well, the Mayan Calendar and all. 2012 is pretty close.
But I think Wednesday is just going to be another day.
Politicans and Pundits are the only ones going to be affected.
Helps to have deadlines though. Keeps things focused.
Unless you're a politician or pundit. ;p
462 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:56:07am |
re: #458 negativ
I'm not sure if this is strictly a Texas phenomenon, but every winter without fail you can expect to see people dressed from the waist up like they're climbing Mount Everest - heavy down-filled coats, hoods, gloves, mirrored aviator sunglasses. They look like an epic National Geographic EXPLORERS portrait waiting to be made, with ice crystals forming in their rugged mountain-man beard (even the ladies).
But they're also wearing SHORTS.
Must be a Texas phenom. Around here it is Warm-up pants cut off above the knee and muscle tees. If it is really cold, a leather jacket might be added.
Actually until the beginning of January most people dress as they should, gloves hats, warm coats etc. Then I think everyone just gets tired of it or has lost their gloves because we just back to just wearing a coat of any sort, without zipping or buttoning it up.
463 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:57:30am |
re: #461 laZardo
Helps to have deadlines though. Keeps things focused.
Unless you're a politician or pundit. ;p
I think it is a co-ordinated effort to sell the 24 hours news cycle. Marketing is so important, you know.
465 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:58:41am |
re: #448 ggt
It's all part of the Soros Cabal . . .
///
Can we have a rep from the Soros Cabal and the Koch Bros Cabal. Put them in a mud pit and see who wins?
467 | laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:59:10am |
re: #465 ggt
Can we have a rep from the Soros Cabal and the Koch Bros Cabal. Put them in
a mud pitThunderdome and see who wins?
ftfy
468 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:01:23am |
469 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:01:51am |
TPM Talking Points Memo
Senate now voting on motion to invoke cloture on Reid's bill.
471 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:03:01am |
yndicated columnist Buchanan begins this memoir by explaining why he refused to be enlisted as the conservative Republicans' choice to succeed Reagan as president. As he discusses his Irish Catholic roots, growing up in Washington, D.C., and Chevy Chase, Md., and attending that "citadel of liberalism," Columbia's journalism school, he looks back with nostalgic affection to the 1950s. His eight years working for Nixon are covered in one short chapter, and about Reagan, this White House insider says even less. In a book that is part autobiography, part political agenda, Buchanan advocates prayer in the schools, the death penalty, support for the government of South Africa, laser-based nuclear weaponry and repeal of the amendment that limits a president to two terms. He defends Oliver North, morally condemns AIDS victims and thunders against the liberal "milquetoast" Catholic Church of the 1980s. Conservative Book Club selection.
Copyright 1988 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.
472 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:03:31am |
re: #469 Gus 802
TPM Talking Points Memo
Senate now voting on motion to invoke cloture on Reid's bill.
And of course it has to be cloture, and not a straight up and down vote. Because fuck democracy.
474 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:04:53am |
475 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:05:50am |
re: #430 Lidane
I know this is a dumb question, but have you tried hairball control cat food? Some of them are a bit pricey, but given the choice of paying more for food or cleaning up hairballs, I know what I'd choose.
doesn't work. I have to find the vaseline and start putting on his paws. Worked for another cat we had. They lick it off and it helps the hair pass.
Brushing him regularly helps, but he doesn't always want that.
476 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:06:56am |
ThePlumLineGS Greg Sargent
Senator Scott Brown: "I'll vote for the Reid bill." [Link: wapo.st...]
477 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:07:16am |
The Brickyard 400 starts in a few..
Don't forget to post your picture of the Sexiest Athletes in the world on my Page...If you have a picture of a world class athlete nekkid..That's even better.. So whether it's a tennis star, Race car driver, Football or basketball player..Vote early and often ( Pretend it's Chicago)
A girl Lizard said she wanted to bring Tebow to Jesus...I don't think she was talking about Church camp...
479 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:09:14am |
re: #478 Gus 802
Wingnuts are freaking out at Scott Brown. Again.
SB knows that he does not really need to fear a primary challenge in Massachusets
480 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:09:17am |
re: #471 Sergey Romanov
> he refused to be enlisted as the conservative Republicans' choice to succeed Reagan as president
Why, thank you, Mr. Buchanan.
481 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:11:20am |
re: #480 Sergey Romanov
> he refused to be enlisted as the conservative Republicans' choice to succeed Reagan as president
Why, thank you, Mr. Buchanan.
I'm more like "Fuck You Mr. Buchanan".
482 | Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:12:22am |
re: #458 negativ
I'm not sure if this is strictly a Texas phenomenon, but every winter without fail you can expect to see people dressed from the waist up like they're climbing Mount Everest - heavy down-filled coats, hoods, gloves, mirrored aviator sunglasses. They look like an epic National Geographic EXPLORERS portrait waiting to be made, with ice crystals forming in their rugged mountain-man beard (even the ladies).
But they're also wearing SHORTS.
Weather here is usually pretty stable, except now when it's hot as hell. I think we get maybe three weeks of winter type weather, and that's in January or February. The rest of the time, it's possible to get away with shorts and a T-shirt and flip flops, or jeans and a light sweater if it's cooler. When it gets cold, people act like the world is ending, especially when the ice storms hit.
A layer of ice and/or snow flurries on the roads = Austin shutting down because no one here knows how to drive in those conditions. My classmates from up north laugh at folks here in Austin when it comes to "winter".
483 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:12:24am |
re: #481 ggt
I'm more like "Fuck You Mr. Buchanan".
We can do both at the same time.
Wait, that sounded so wrong somehow.
485 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:13:14am |
re: #483 Sergey Romanov
We can do both at the same time.
Wait, that sounded so wrong somehow.
Yeah, in actuality,I wouldn't want to do either.
486 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:16:25am |
Scott Brown voted to move the Reid debt bill ahead. Collins and Snowe voted no. #CSPAN2
487 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:16:52am |
Ben Nelson (D, Nebraska) voted with republicans, Scott Brown (R, Mass) voted with democrats
488 | Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:18:16am |
re: #477 HoosierHoops
If you have a picture of a world class athlete nekkid..That's even better.. So whether it's a tennis star, Race car driver, Football or basketball player..Vote early and often ( Pretend it's Chicago)
Don't tell me that, because I can actually find teh nekkid when it comes to photos of athletes. There's an entire French rugby calendar that comes out every year filled with some of the hottest guys I've ever seen. I'll spare the male Lizards from any examples. Just do a Google search for Dieux du Stade.
489 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:18:53am |
491 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:20:48am |
Is this the reid solo bill or the comprimise bill they're going to send to the house?
492 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:21:25am |
re: #488 Lidane
Don't tell me that, because I can actually find teh nekkid when it comes to photos of athletes. There's an entire French rugby calendar that comes out every year filled with some of the hottest guys I've ever seen. I'll spare the male Lizards from any examples. Just do a Google search for Dieux du Stade.
I'm betting the nakkid Rugby player wins out over any baseball player in the voting..
493 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:21:30am |
The guy who says "Aye" or "No" is really annoying.
494 | Kronocide Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:25:48am |
Winger on FB: Tea Party should get credit for dealing with problem, credit rating will be downgraded because our debt is too high. I say downgrade will happen if we quit paying bills, Tea Party is driving the populist rage to that end.
Response: it's the Dems fault.
495 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:26:29am |
496 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:26:54am |
I feel kind of like a business man watching my employees goofing off. Shouldn't all those people be doing something other than standing around chatting?
497 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:29:33am |
re: #496 Killgore Trout
I feel kind of like a business man watching my employees goofing off. Shouldn't all those people be doing something other than standing around chatting?
Really, we gave them a break when we hired them.
498 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:30:11am |
TPM Talking Points Memo
BREAKING: Senate Kills Reid Bill, Await Obama/McConnell Spending-Cut-Only Debt Limit Bill. Story here: [Link: tpm.ly...]
499 | McSpiff Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:31:18am |
re: #346 rwdflynavy
Why? Are you flying your Lear jet up to Nova Scotia To see the total eclipse of the sun?
Free beer for any Lizard that makes it up here to Nova Scotia. So lonely for a lizard...
500 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:33:03am |
This reads funny...
TPM Talking Points Memo
RT @ChadPergram: Cloture falls in the Senate, 50-49. D's opposed: Manchin, Ben Nelson, Reid & Sanders. GOPer for: Scott Brown.
Reid voted against his own bill?
501 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:35:32am |
re: #500 Gus 802
This reads funny...
TPM Talking Points Memo
RT @ChadPergram: Cloture falls in the Senate, 50-49. D's opposed: Manchin, Ben Nelson, Reid & Sanders. GOPer for: Scott Brown.Reid voted against his own bill?
Yeah, I thought that was odd. His vote was called last.
503 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:36:26am |
re: #499 McSpiff
Free beer for any Lizard that makes it up here to Nova Scotia. So lonely for a lizard...
I almost made it there once.. We were in Camden or Bar Harbor in Maine for a summer break and there was like a boat or ferry you could take there..I was in College and always regretted not going there
504 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:37:31am |
OK...
foxnewsradio FOX News Radio
Reid plan fails in Senate. Vote is 50-49, needed 60 to pass. Reid himself votes no, leaving door open for future reconsideration.
506 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:39:39am |
Pam praises racist Yerushalmi:
The New York Times has a lengthy piece on a man I consider a national treasure, and I am not just saying that becuase he is my lawyer, representing me in numerous cases (i.e., the $10,000,000 lawsuit brought by Rifqa Bary's parents; the violation of free speech in the banning of my freedom buses; the NYC transit ban on my Ground Zero mosque buses, etc.).
507 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:39:55am |
re: #505 Lidane
*sigh*
Yeah. Reid would need 9 votes now. He'll never get that. Next up to bat looks like Obama/McConnell.
509 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:43:31am |
Let Congress stay on if they want.
510 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:47:32am |
Looks like Firebaggers are standing in the wings and about to get really angry with Obama
511 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:47:37am |
I have to accomplish something. I've had 5 cuppas --I think I'm ready.
Have a great afternoon all!
512 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:49:11am |
Looks like Pat Metheny is pretty popular on Twitter.
513 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:49:25am |
SenatorReid Senator Harry Reid
Sen. McConnell and I agree Congress owns the responsibility to set this country on the path to fiscal sustainability
1 hour ago
514 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:49:39am |
Ok, This is what I am turning off when I turn off the computer.
This , with this in the back ground.
515 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:51:00am |
re: #509 ggt
Let Congress stay on if they want.
AMTRAK, it's going to derail when it runs out of funding on Tuesday...
516 | McSpiff Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:53:18am |
re: #503 HoosierHoops
I almost made it there once.. We were in Camden or Bar Harbor in Maine for a summer break and there was like a boat or ferry you could take there..I was in College and always regretted not going there
For years they had a very cool highspeed catameran ferry running between Bar Harbor and Yarmouth... The Cat
517 | Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:55:00am |
re: #512 Charles
Looks like Pat Metheny is pretty popular on Twitter.
Were "they who have no lives" at it again?
518 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:01:20am |
They could take every dollar from every American. Then re-distribute the wealth evenly among each.
Within a couple of years? The rich would be rich again and the poor would be poor again.
This is awful.
520 | albusteve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:12:58am |
the GOP is getting pounded in the press...heh...can't help but assume Boehner the Magnificent may not rebound from this joke he has been turning on us all
521 | makeitstop Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:19:11am |
Afternoon, Honcos.
This whole sorry debt ceiling episode is seriously depressing. While we don't know exactly what's coming in the 'compromise' bill, what I've read about it this morning has me thinking about jumping on the 'let it burn' train. Benen sums up where we are, and it makes me sick to my stomach.
Extortion politics: a new form of governing
How in the world do we reverse this? Democracy is on life support and the Tea Baggers want nothing more than to be able to pull the plug.
Representative democracy - we broke it.
I'm going to go play music and drink beer today, and try not to think of the jumbled mess our government has deteriorated into.
Somebody, please, give me an encouraging word.
522 | albusteve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:20:28am |
re: #521 makeitstop
Afternoon, Honcos.
This whole sorry debt ceiling episode is seriously depressing. While we don't know exactly what's coming in the 'compromise' bill, what I've read about it this morning has me thinking about jumping on the 'let it burn' train. Benen sums up where we are, and it makes me sick to my stomach.
Extortion politics: a new form of governing
How in the world do we reverse this? Democracy is on life support and the Tea Baggers want nothing more than to be able to pull the plug.
Representative democracy - we broke it.
I'm going to go play music and drink beer today, and try not to think of the jumbled mess our government has deteriorated into.
Somebody, please, give me an encouraging word.
I hate the feds....shit like this is precisely why
523 | AK-47% Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:22:52am |
The Tea Party made it clear that they were not going to go along with "government as usual", and whatever else you can say about these folks, they have been consistent in keeping that promise.
524 | Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:22:59am |
re: #521 makeitstop
Yeah. How can the GOP ever be trusted again, after this stunt?
525 | makeitstop Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:28:08am |
I'll quote Steve Miller's 'Space Cowboy.' I'm singin' the shit out of this one today.
Space Cowboy Lyrics
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I told you 'bout living in the U.S. of A.
Don't you know that I'm a gangster of love
Let me tell you people that I found a new way
And I'm tired of all this talk about love
And the same old story with a new set of words
About the good and the bad and the poor
And the times keep on changin'
So I'm keepin' on top
Of every fat cat who walks through my doorI'm a space cowboy
Bet you weren't ready for that
I'm a space cowboy
I'm sure you know where it's at
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahI was born on this rock
And I've been travelin' through space
Since the moment I first realized
What all you fast talkin' cats would do if you could
You know, I'm ready for the final surprise
There ain't no way around it
Ain't nothing to say
That's gonna satisfy my soul deep inside
All the prayers and surveyors
Keep the whole place uptight
While it keeps on gettin' darker outsideI'm a space cowboy
Bet you weren't ready for that
I'm a space cowboy
I'm sure you know where it's at
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahI see the show downs, slow downs, lost and found, turn arounds
The boys in the military shirts
I keep my eyes on the prize, on the long fallen skies
And I don't let my friends get hurt
All you back room schemers, power trip dreamers
Better find something new to say
Cause you're the same old story
It's the same old crime
And you got some heavy dues to pay
526 | Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:29:14am |
I was angry about this whole fracas for awhile. Then I was depressed. Now i'm just terrified.
All anybody is doing is tweeting and blogging about it with people that agree with us. Here we are, talking about it with people of like mind. The same thing is doubtlessly happening on winger blogs, socialist blogs, etc. It's like we are all stuck in a collective loop.
The democratic process has been utterly destroyed by the very thing that was supposed to give us a more democratic world. We all have a voice now, because of the internet, and as a result, nobody does. It's all just noise now.
I'd love to go outside and take my mind off of this whole thing, but it's eleventy million degrees outside. So my wife and I are just sitting here, wondering WTF we are supposed to do if the shit hits the fan. What is my mom, who subsists on SS, supposed to do if they slash SS? What are my sisters supposed to do?
I am so angry it doesn't even feel like anger any more. It feels like despair.
I don't think the GOP understands the forces they are fucking with. We can't eat cake assholes, we don't have any fucking cake. This is very bad stuff.
527 | Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:31:53am |
Hey, maybe we all should have a (nice, mind you) page so we can have a discussion (or intervention) for Dark_Falcon where they can explain their various stances such as:
-"multiculturalism is a failure"
-"Medicare is going broke"
-"Funding defense should come at the expense of the poor"
And hopefully we can bring facts and maybe change the way they see these things (particularly the last one)
It'd be a like a practice run on converting others to use facts and evidence to base their views on instead of comfortable preconceptions and news bytes.
And then we don't have to worry about the unwritten rule of dead threading the main blog.
528 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:34:24am |
re: #523 ralphieboy
The Tea Party made it clear that they were not going to go along with "government as usual", and whatever else you can say about these folks, they have been consistent in keeping that promise.
Why is anyone surprised? The GOP as a whole has been saying loudly for the past 2 years that their first and foremost agenda is to make sure Barack Obama is a one-term president, and everything not directly in service of that is a distant second.
60 percent of the Senate are millionaires. 40 percent of the House are millionaires. They'll be fine no matter what happens. They can ride out the shit-storm they want to create. They know full well that even if they piss us all the way off, our memories are short and we lack the skills to build guillotines in the town square. Plus, American Idle is about to come on, so fuck it.
529 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:37:50am |
re: #526 Fozzie Bear
I was angry about this whole fracas for awhile. Then I was depressed. Now i'm just terrified.
All anybody is doing is tweeting and blogging about it with people that agree with us. Here we are, talking about it with people of like mind. The same thing is doubtlessly happening on winger blogs, socialist blogs, etc. It's like we are all stuck in a collective loop.
The democratic process has been utterly destroyed by the very thing that was supposed to give us a more democratic world. We all have a voice now, because of the internet, and as a result, nobody does. It's all just noise now.
I'd love to go outside and take my mind off of this whole thing, but it's eleventy million degrees outside. So my wife and I are just sitting here, wondering WTF we are supposed to do if the shit hits the fan. What is my mom, who subsists on SS, supposed to do if they slash SS? What are my sisters supposed to do?
I am so angry it doesn't even feel like anger any more. It feels like despair.
I don't think the GOP understands the forces they are fucking with. We can't eat cake assholes, we don't have any fucking cake. This is very bad stuff.
If you really want to feel terrible about everything, keep all that in mind and then also follow @acarvin.