Wingnuts Raging at Obama Speech (Of Course)

Fear of an angry black President
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I wondered what the take from the wingnut blogs and media would be, and this time a lot of them have decided to go with the “angry black man” meme. They never get tired of that one.

Barack Obama looked and sounded angry in his speech to the joint session of Congress. He bitterly assailed one straw man after another and made reference to a grab bag of proposals which would cost something on the order of $450 billion…

Et cetera.

DERPThe world’s dimmest semi-literate right wing moron, Jim Hoft, took a break from spewing insults to point out that President Obama’s black wife was also angry.

Horrible. Obama attacks individualism.

Obama plays the Lincoln card. Sick.

Michelle Obama looks really angry tonight.

UPDATE at 9/9/11 9:24:29 am

Possibly the most insane and hateful right wing piece on Obama’s speech comes from Washington Times lunatic Jeffrey Kuhner, who compares Obama to Amy Winehouse.

He exhibits a form of madness, a self-loathing, reminiscent of the late pop singer Amy Winehouse. Mr. Obama keeps injecting the heroin of class warfare and socialism into our national bloodstream. And he can continue to play on the biggest stage and boast a huge audience. In the end, however, it leads to the same result: insanity and death.

And in case you missed the point, the Washington Times supplies this deranged Photoshop illustration of Obama’s face on Amy Winehouse’s body, with a hammer-and-sickle tattoo.

Wow. These people are really losing it.

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509 comments
1 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:13:51am

If the 'angry black man' meme is all they've got, you know that speech left a bruise.

2 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:17:11am

Stop peeing in my Cheerios. Been waiting for this man to get angry for two years now...

3 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:17:35am

I don't get it, they're angry all the time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, after all.

4 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:17:39am

Lol unless he stands at the podium looking like Old Uncle Ned, they will always play the "angry black chip on shoulder" card.

It's all the dumb confederates ever have. No one pays attention to it except to laugh at it.

5 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:19:26am

re: #3 C1nnabar

I don't get it, they're angry all the time.

Hey!!@1

You'd be angry all the time too, if your right to RULE was taken away by the Inferiors!!Q!

6 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:20:10am

I missed the speech. No power.

7 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:21:10am

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I missed the speech. No power.

Watch it here

8 darthstar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:21:58am

Does Dim Hoft have an actual job, or is he one of those "blogging from mom's pc" types?

9 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:22:15am

re: #2 JasonA

Stop peeing in my Cheerios. Been waiting for this man to get angry for two years now...

#Winning!

10 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:23:53am

And it will cost $$!! Oh noes! //

I know our destroying and rebuilding the Middle East has all been free....

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:24:55am

Check out the update.

12 jaunte  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:24:58am
Barone: Straw men took a terrible beating from the president. He assailed “tax loopholes” for oil companies, the chief one of which is that they are treated like other companies classified as manufacturers. The administration proposal is that the five largest oil companies shouldn’t be, because—well, because we want to get our hands on more of their money.

Kneejerk, over the top 'class warfare' reaction.

From 'Frum Forum', back in May:

In 2009 Senate testimony, a Resources for the Future research fellow estimated that eliminating oil industry tax preferences would raise fuel costs for the average American by $1.40 per year – approximately equivalent to one cup of really bad coffee – and cause domestic oil production to crash by a whopping 0.36 percent.[Link: www.frumforum.com...]

13 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:26:44am

re: #11 Charles

Check out the update.

wut?

14 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:27:17am

re: #11 Charles

Check out the update.

Kuhner? Now where have I heard that name recently?

Oh yeah...

Washington Times' Kuhner: MLK 'Imprisoned Black America' in a welfare state

Dirtbag.

15 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:27:39am

Wow.
Not only that, but I can photoshop better in MSpaint.
:P

16 jaunte  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:27:58am
Contrary to popular myth, liberalism is not politics committed to science or rational thought. It is a substitute religion - a secular philosophy similar to Marxism that seeks to replace Christianity and provide believers with existential meaning.

Wait, I thought it was evolution that was the new substitute religion.

17 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:29:10am

re: #11 Charles

Check out the update.

Wow.

I might be the only one here who believes this, but that speech scared the crap out of the Teahadis. They can't attack the content of the speech, all they can do is ramp up the noise and hope they can divert people's attention.

18 darthstar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:29:22am

That WaTimes photoshop shows why these people can't be trusted to run the government...they can't even color inside the lines.

In other news, I have scientific proof that LGF Polls are scientific.

19 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:29:42am

re: #11 Charles

Just wow. I can't say unbelievable because these anti-Obamaists will say and do anything out of their hatred for Obama.

So what if Obama sounded or looked angry. If you aren't angry about the whole situation on Capitol Hill, gridlock and an economy that is stuck in neutral, there's something wrong.

It's again back to the politics of personal destruction (or distraction) because they don't have any policy prescriptions of their own.

20 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:30:34am

I keep going back to my neighbor and friend here who is low information, leaning very right - independent mostly because she doesn't know enough to claim any party affiliation, just not interested in politics. She's kind of my gauge to get a feeling for what those real independents here in Texas are thinking/feeling. As I mentioned in the last thread, last night for the first time she called out the GOP in her disgust that Congress wasn't getting anything done. She is definitely getting a clearer picture of how what the government does and does not do affects us all very directly.

A lovely, kind soul, but a bit of a bigot sometimes - more about gays than race - she was enthusiastic about her praise for Obama's speech last night saying that she was really starting to like him a lot. She talked about how he obviously wanted to get something done to help get us out of this mess but that the GOP obstruction was just ridiculous and pure political games that are damaging the country and us.

It's no wonder the teatards are pissed and pushing back. Obama's message last night is clearly resonating with a powerful target audience.

21 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:31:29am

Speaking of the First Lady looking angry, whatever happened to that "whitey" tape, hmm? Just wondering... Hey, remember the "terrorist fist bump"? //

If any wingnuts are interested, I'll be glad to escort them to some places in NY/NJ where they can meet some real, honest to goodness angry black men.

*tries unsuccessfully to suppress a fit of the giggles over the hilarity of it all*

22 jaunte  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:31:37am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Jeffrey T. Kuhner] is also the president of the Edmund Burke Institute for American Renewal, a Washington D.C. think tank devoted to integrating minorities into the conservative movement. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Well, lots of luck with that.

23 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:34:23am

re: #22 jaunte

They're doin' it wrong.

24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:34:25am

re: #19 lawhawk

Just wow. I can't say unbelievable because these anti-Obamaists will say and do anything out of their hatred for Obama.

So what if Obama sounded or looked angry. If you aren't angry about the whole situation on Capitol Hill, gridlock and an economy that is stuck in neutral, there's something wrong.

It's again back to the politics of personal destruction (or distraction) because they don't have any policy prescriptions of their own.

Yep. No ideas, nothing original, only laziness and moral ineptitude. /Schadenfreude

25 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:35:00am

re: #22 jaunte

Well, lots of luck with that.

"If you weren't all fucking idiots, you'd be on our side. Care to sign up?"

26 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:35:37am

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top.....
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

27 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:35:50am

Well the idiot bloggers can afford their idiotic rhetoric, and the republican Presidential candidates came out swinging as well.

However, not so cocky is the republican leadership in Washington.

I suspect they got an earful over the summer break from constituents and business. They over read their mandate. They caused incredible damage to the economy. Also, they know how to read the polls. All of Washington took a hit, but the congressional republicans are the biggest losers with voters. They can not afford to just say no this time.

President Obama and all the Democrats are going to have to be very united and forceful to make this Jobs act a reality. I know they won't get everything, but I do think a large portion of the plan can be passed, if they do what they need to do.

My understanding is that the President will offer up his jobs plan in legislative language by next Monday, and then another detailed plan for deficit reduction the following week.

This will take away the republican talking points about specifics. Where is the plan? Where are the jobs? etc...

28 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:37:08am

Cantor to Obama: Please don't take it to the American people

This is my objection to the message that was delivered tonight. The message was: either accept my package as it is, or I will take it to the American people. I would say that that’s the wrong approach. What we’re here to do is try to transcend differences, not let them get in the way in the areas we can make progress on.

29 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:37:13am

What a whiny little pissant of a man Jim Hoft is. Waah.

30 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:37:16am

So Obama is like Amy Winehouse because he's injecting someone else with heroin? Huh?

Any why hasn't Obama apologized and imprisoned Hoffa for that "take them out" comment? That was so uncivil.

//

31 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:38:14am
Wow. These people are really losing it.

Losing it? They lost it at approximately 11pm on November 4, 2008 and have become increasingly unhinged ever since. Now they just rage & froth incoherently, Pamela Geller style.

32 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:38:23am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top...
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

Yeah, because it went over so well in Georgia when they tried it, crops were rotting in the fields and farmers complained the people who were forced to come pick the crops were lazy and bad workers.

33 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:38:27am

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was the Amy Winehouse of his generation. But it would be considered a high compliment for anyone to be compared to Mozart. Because we only remember the huge talent and forget about the drinking himself to death at an early age.

34 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:38:32am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top...
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

Rep. Brooks (R - Plantation Owner) just wants Sharecropping 2.0.

35 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:38:36am

Their metaphors suck.

He exhibits a form of madness, a self-loathing, reminiscent of the late pop singer Amy Winehouse. Mr. Obama keeps injecting the heroin of class warfare and socialism into our national bloodstream.

Heroin makes you very calm and docile. There's nothing more peace-loving and law-abiding than a heroin addict who just got their fix.

So if he's really injecting us with class warfare, everyone should be blissed out and groovy and in danger of possible comas and heart attacks.

And constipated.

36 erik_t  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:38:50am

Kuhner tried to engage in sophisticated and considered political discussion with a crappy tattoo photoshop?

What a boob.

37 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:39:23am

Fox: Stocks Tumble Worldwide After Obama Speech

38 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:39:24am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top...
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

Of course the dumbass doesn't mention how much it would cost to deport and evict all the illegals but sure let's bitch about immigrants some more.

39 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:39:28am

re: #21 CuriousLurker

Speaking of the First Lady looking angry, whatever happened to that "whitey" tape, hmm? Just wondering... Hey, remember the "terrorist fist bump"? //

If any wingnuts are interested, I'll be glad to escort them to some places in NY/NJ where they can meet some real, honest to goodness angry black men.

*tries unsuccessfully to suppress a fit of the giggles over the hilarity of it all*

They just can't pass on ripping Michelle for....something. I'll admit the wit and wisdom of mocking Michelle for...something, anything, fails to escape me.

40 jaunte  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:39:49am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top...
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

"As your congressman on the House floor, I will do anything short of shooting them."
He and Jeffrey T seem to be working against that stated goal of integrating minorities into the conservative movement.

41 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:39:59am

re: #28 JasonA

Cantor to Obama: Please don't take it to the American people

What we’re here to do is try to transcend differences, not let them get in the way in the areas we can make progress on.

Like when they held the economy hostage and cost us our credit rating?

42 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:40:05am

re: #31 CuriousLurker

Losing it? They lost it at approximately 11pm on November 4, 2008 and have become increasingly unhinged ever since. Now they just rage & froth incoherently, Pamela Geller style.

Ha, more like May 17, 1954.

43 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:40:06am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top...
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

Sure. Jobs like interment camp guards, administrators, cooks, etc. We could spend billions rounding up all the illegal aliens and billions more sending them home.

Hey here's an idea, why not spend billions on something where at the end of the day you have something useful, instead?

Shocking, I know.

44 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:41:29am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top...
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

Um, wouldn't those jobs created be government jobs?

45 Hal_10000  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:42:17am

You know, it's crap like this that lets me know just how far the conservative movement has moved away from me. I thought the speech was impassioned and maybe forceful, but angry is not a word that occurred to me and it was certainly less forceful than what Jim Hoft murmers in his sleep. And less angry than the Right Wing gets if Obama wears mismatched socks.

There were parts of the speech I disagreed with, parts I agreed with. It's the sort of thing the GOP once, long ago, would have built a compromise from. Reading it, I was thinking, "Hey, this isn't sooo bad. If we can PAYGO this, I wouldn't object too strongly." Then I go online and read about how it was a bunch of communist wealth-envy gibberish that was all about spending more money.

Egads. Wake me in 2016.

46 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:42:52am

Because if there is anything a college educated white collar worker needs more than anything in the world, its plenty of job openings in the agricultural and hotel service industry, making less than a third of what he did a few years ago.

47 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:43:36am

re: #39 Bulworth

They just can't pass on ripping Michelle for...something. I'll admit the wit and wisdom of mocking Michelle for...something, anything, fails to escape me.

Meant to say....escapes me. Delete the "fails to" part.

48 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:43:47am

re: #42 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ha, more like May 17, 1954.

Or January 1, 1863 even.

49 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:45:13am

The moment that enraged millions:

Youtube Video
50 erik_t  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:45:29am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because if there is anything a college educated white collar worker needs more than anything in the world, its plenty of job openings in the agricultural and hotel service industry, making less than a third of what he did a few years ago.

It's a Texas miracle!

51 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:46:02am

I sure do hope that *hilarious* and *thoughtful* ObamaAmyWinehouse photoshop pic is given lots of attention at the next Voter Values Summit. //

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:47:08am

Obama's Job Speech In 35 Seconds

Youtube Video
53 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:48:19am

Yeah man that Obama-Winehouse photoshop is so witty. And really Washington Times comparing him to the Soviet Union? And then you complain that the Tea Party gets called racist but wait you're a joke of a newspaper run by a cult leader, I forgot.

54 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:49:04am

The stock market is crapping again. Down over 300 points.

55 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:49:06am

re: #44 Bulworth

Um, wouldn't those jobs created be government jobs?

Damn it, Bulworth, stop making sense!

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:50:56am

btw, Just in case anyone really thinks our political leaders on either side of the isle are serious about getting anything done....
Live Mic Catches Incredible Biden-Boehner Conversation
It's all a game and laughs.

57 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:54:28am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Obama's Job Speech In 35 Seconds

[Video]

ZOMG, he's so angry. Like Amy Winehouse.

/confused wingnut

58 laZardo  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:54:36am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

That's why I'm voting Green.

Unless McKinney runs again.

59 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:54:50am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Fox: Stocks Tumble Worldwide After Obama Speech

Right, it has noting to do with Greece, who is about to default and taking half of Europe down with it.//

Stocks, Euro Tumble on Greece Debt Concern

60 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:56:15am

re: #48 CuriousLurker

That one, too! They've NEVER gotten over it; yet we're the ones living in the past e_e

61 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:56:39am

I love how they're upset that the president is "angry" but tell me what is the Tea Party and what did they campaign on? Is Dim Jim Hoft going to tell me that the Tea Party campaigned postively with no traces of anger or he gonna keep being a dishonest turd? My bet is the latter but I love how they badmouth the president for the most absurd crap. And it gets more ridiculous every day.

62 sagehen  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:57:03am

re: #59 blueraven

Right, it has noting to do with Greece, who is about to default and taking half of Europe down with it.//

Stocks, Euro Tumble on Greece Debt Concern

The headline on the Bloomberg article is about Greece, but the URL is "after_Obama_speech".

63 laZardo  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:57:33am

re: #60 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Conservatives should be called regressives. Honestly.

64 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:57:49am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

btw, Just in case anyone really thinks our political leaders on either side of the isle are serious about getting anything done...
Live Mic Catches Incredible Biden-Boehner Conversation
It's all a game and laughs.

That's no big deal to me. Small talk. So what?

65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:58:15am

re: #57 makeitstop

ZOMG, he's so angry. Like Amy Winehouse.

/confused wingnut

But Michelle said whitey and that makes me nervous!!

66 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 9:58:22am

The woman just fucking died how callous.

67 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:00:26am

re: #62 sagehen

The headline on the Bloomberg article is about Greece, but the URL is "after_Obama_speech".

More Idiots!

68 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:01:10am

re: #64 makeitstop

That's no big deal to me. Small talk. So what?

I agree. I heard that conversation last night on CNN before the speech. I've lived with golfers. They will talk about their last game with anyone at anytime with great passion. No biggie at all.

69 sagehen  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:01:57am

re: #22 jaunte

[...devoted to integrating minorities into the conservative movement.]
Well, lots of luck with that.

The sad thing is, there's actually a *ton* of conservative blacks and hispanics -- especially on the social issues. But they see those photoshops of Obama in a loincloth with a bone through his nose, or the white house with a watermelon patch on the front lawn, they listen to the anti-immigrant ravings, and they tell each other "I'd rather vote for the guy who doesn't understand economics than give my support to the party that thinks this is acceptable discourse."

70 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:04:58am

Could it be he was angry because he was fed up with the GOP doing stupid shit?

71 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:05:09am

re: #64 makeitstop

That's no big deal to me. Small talk. So what?

That's exactly my problem; it's freindly small talk about leasure activities. There's no sense of urgency to get anything done. Biden wasn't pressing Boehner for updates on getting his caucus in line. No business talk about getting something accomplished. Obama called out congress for "political theater" but his speech was exactly that. He knows it's not going to pass and didn't really put any pressure on Congress to get anything done. He just went through the motions for public relations purposes.

72 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:08:54am

re: #69 sagehen

The sad thing is, there's actually a *ton* of conservative blacks and hispanics -- especially on the social issues. But they see those photoshops of Obama in a loincloth with a bone through his nose, or the white house with a watermelon patch on the front lawn, they listen to the anti-immigrant ravings, and they tell each other "I'd rather vote for the guy who doesn't understand economics than give my support to the party that thinks this is acceptable discourse."

It's that, and already knowing just what kind of people they are. We've seen it in every generation, these shrieking conservatives with their misspelled picket signs, American flags, and rampant minority-baiting for all their personal ills. They are the ones who don't understand economics.

73 MicheleR  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:10:28am

re: #20 allegro

I keep going back to my neighbor and friend here who is low information, leaning very right - independent mostly because she doesn't know enough to claim any party affiliation, just not interested in politics. She's kind of my gauge to get a feeling for what those real independents here in Texas are thinking/feeling. As I mentioned in the last thread, last night for the first time she called out the GOP in her disgust that Congress wasn't getting anything done. She is definitely getting a clearer picture of how what the government does and does not do affects us all very directly.

A lovely, kind soul, but a bit of a bigot sometimes - more about gays than race - she was enthusiastic about her praise for Obama's speech last night saying that she was really starting to like him a lot. She talked about how he obviously wanted to get something done to help get us out of this mess but that the GOP obstruction was just ridiculous and pure political games that are damaging the country and us.

It's no wonder the teatards are pissed and pushing back. Obama's message last night is clearly resonating with a powerful target audience.

You just described my mother- the Wisconsin version of what you described. She is not so much interested in politics, her main concern, at age 64, is Social Security. I haven't heard from her today, but I'm curious about her take on the speech.

74 funky chicken  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:11:16am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top...
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

Well, I'm not sure it would take millions of Americans to find, imprison, process, and deport all of them, but hey, what's a little hyperbole among friends?

75 Martinsmithy  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:14:59am

You must have known this would happen. The far right is slobbering to get to the "angry black man" meme, because they think it will scare enough voters to deny Obama re-election. And Obama's been such a quiet force (or "wimp," depending upon your point of view) that they've really had to make things up. The wingnuts are hoping he gets a lot more "uppity" in the coming months.

76 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:15:11am

OT: Getting to my gig in NYC tonight is gonna be a real treat. I'll probably leave my house an hour earlier than usual. Bridge and tunnel traffic will be limited to one lane for visual inspection of all vehicles by NYPD.

I realize the security uptick is necessary. That don't mean it's going to be fun.

77 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:17:17am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

That's exactly my problem; it's freindly small talk about leasure activities. There's no sense of urgency to get anything done. Biden wasn't pressing Boehner for updates on getting his caucus in line. No business talk about getting something accomplished. Obama called out congress for "political theater" but his speech was exactly that. He knows it's not going to pass and didn't really put any pressure on Congress to get anything done. He just went through the motions for public relations purposes.

I understand your pessimism but I disagree strongly with your analysis. I think there is a lot of pressure to do something. I dont think the President's speech was theater, and I think there is a good chance that a lot of it will pass.

78 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:17:53am

re: #73 MicheleR

You just described my mother- the Wisconsin version of what you described. She is not so much interested in politics, her main concern, at age 64, is Social Security. I haven't heard from her today, but I'm curious about her take on the speech.

So am I. Please let us know her thoughts after you talk to her.

79 mr.fusion  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:20:34am

Brad Plumer:

(via Sully --- he always does such a great job of finding reactions to major events across the blogosphere)

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, is frequently the go-to guy for both parties when it comes to analysis of various jobs proposals. So, what did he think of President Obama’s speech last night? His report is behind a paywall, but here’s the topline: “The plan would add 2 percentage points to GDP growth next year, add 1.9 million jobs, and cut the unemployment rate by a percentage point.”

Now, throw out your ideology and how can you be against a plan that will produce those types of results? I'm not saying that this would be some type of cure-all, but how can anyone argue that nearly 2M jobs and a 2 point jump in GDP growth is anti-American, socialism, or just the ramblings of an angry black man and his "not-so-proud of America" wife?

At this point I don't really care if a plan involves taxing the rich at 99% or if it means cutting the corporate tax rate to zero.......doesn't matter to me one iota how we get there as long as we get there. The President's plan will get us there......the Ryan Plan as well as Cut Cap and Balance have been absolutely torn apart by every economist (Conservative and Keynesian) that has taken a look at them.

If results matter, the choice is pretty easy

80 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:27:26am

re: #79 mr.fusion

... how can you be against a plan that will produce those types of results? I'm not saying that this would be some type of cure-all, but how can anyone argue that nearly 2M jobs and a 2 point jump in GDP growth is anti-American, socialism, or just the ramblings of an angry black man and his not-so-proud of America wife?

You have just laid out exactly why the Republicans will fight this to their last dark dying breaths to prevent it from happening.

81 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:28:38am

The White House doubles down. Good.

Yesterday, after the President finished up his speech last night, House Republicans responded by signaling an openness to passing parts of Obama’s new jobs bill, while signaling disapproval of Obama’s vow to barnstorm the country to get the American Jobs Act passed in its current form.

“The message was: either accept my package as it is, or I will take it to the American people,” Eric Cantor said. “I would say that that’s the wrong approach.”

Today, the White House offered its answer: Sorry, we want the whole bill passed. Nothing less.

82 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:40:56am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

He just went through the motions for public relations purposes. to officially kick off his 2012 re-election tour

(btw ,100% agree with your post,, just thought I'd throw in a yuk)

83 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:42:28am

Seriously? They used that Photoshop at the Washington Times? They're worse than I thought. It's not even a good Photoshop job.

84 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:43:01am

re: #76 makeitstop

OT: Getting to my gig in NYC tonight is gonna be a real treat. I'll probably leave my house an hour earlier than usual. Bridge and tunnel traffic will be limited to one lane for visual inspection of all vehicles by NYPD.

I realize the security uptick is necessary. That don't mean it's going to be fun.

Will most likely be that way till Tuesday at the earliest, depending upon what else the intel community can find

85 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:43:52am

re: #83 Gus 802

Seriously? They used that Photoshop at the Washington Times? They're worse than I thought. It's not even a good Photoshop job.

Srsly I could do better Photoshops than that the very first minute that I installed Photoshop 6.0 for the very first time.

86 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:44:28am

re: #82 sattv4u2

He just went through the motions for public relations purposes. to officially kick off his 2012 re-election tour

(btw ,100% agree with your post,, just thought I'd throw in a yuk)

I'd expect a Republican president to do exactly the same thing. Wouldn't you?

87 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:45:13am

Wingnut visual dictionary:

Angry hispanic men
Angry black men
Angry white men

//Oh wait, I forgot one: Moderate Muslims

88 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:45:37am

re: #86 makeitstop

I'd expect a Republican president to do exactly the same thing. Wouldn't you?

MBF
where did I say otherwise?

89 mr.fusion  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:45:46am

re: #81 makeitstop

The White House doubles down. Good.

That's awesome

....about damn time

90 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:45:58am

re: #84 sattv4u2

Will most likely be that way till Tuesday at the earliest, depending upon what else the intel community can find

Lucky for me, I'll only have to deal with it for one night then head back to suburbia.

I do hope they either pre-empt whatever's on their radar or discredit it.

91 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:46:08am

re: #80 allegro

You have just laid out exactly why the Republicans will fight this to their last dark dying breaths to prevent it from happening.

I'm not so sure about that. The public is on to them after the dedt ceiling debacle, which resulted in a credit downgrade and a plummeting stock market. Yes, they would like this administration to fail, but their own political fortunes are on the line.

People are tired of this crap. They may have a small army of loud voices on their side, but they do not have anywhere near a majority of Americans on their side. Even republican voters say jobs is the most important item on the agenda. The fact that this will be paid for, should garner even more support.

92 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:46:17am

re: #79 mr.fusion

That's making an assumption that the current economic situation remains stable. If things get worse in the EU and we see a sovereign default in the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain) or another country, this wont end up creating jobs, but keep things from getting even worse than expected.

There was an expectation that the ARRA of 2009 would create millions of jobs, but the reality was far less than that - jobs were preserved, but job creation dried up because the credit market situation was far worse and much of the money from the ARRA was in the form of transfer payments to states dealing with massive budget shortfalls. That meant that the unemployment rates soared (at least until people gave up looking altogether).

Infrastructure jobs are a somewhat seasonal profession, but their impact on the economy stretches long after the job ends because you've got a road, bridge, or tunnel, or railway or school, or other key infrastructure that can last several generations and can improve efficiency of transportation reducing costs, etc. with regular maintenance.

Problems start when you don't do regular maintenance. Simply problems multiply and instead of doing something like a routine paint job on a bridge, you find yourself having to do major repairs or replacement to keep the bridge from collapsing.

93 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:46:35am

re: #88 sattv4u2

MBF
where did I say otherwise?

Where did I say you did? :)

94 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:47:17am

re: #82 sattv4u2

He just went through the motions for public relations purposes. to officially kick off his 2012 re-election tour

(btw ,100% agree with your post,, just thought I'd throw in a yuk)

Maybe he is just trying to get Americans back to work. He is the President after all. That's his job!

95 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:47:38am

re: #90 makeitstop

Lucky for me, I'll only have to deal with it for one night then head back to suburbia.

I do hope they either pre-empt whatever's on their radar or discredit it.

They don't make these things public and basically ask for citizens to be extra vigil unless they had solid evidence that something is in the works

No, they don't have the details (exact time, place, names, etc)

If they did, they wouldn't be going public

96 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:48:02am

re: #76 makeitstop

It's already jumped up a few notches from this morning. The ride home tonight is going to be interesting.

And Monday around the WTC is going to be different entirely - as I figure millions of people are going to try for the memorial but get turned away b/c they are utilizing a timed ticket entry pass system.

97 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:49:24am

re: #87 CuriousLurker

Wingnut visual dictionary:

Angry hispanic men
Angry black men
Angry white men

//Oh wait, I forgot one: Moderate Muslims

Here's your angry white men.

98 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:49:54am

re: #94 blueraven

Maybe he is just trying to get Americans back to work. He is the President after all. That's his job!

What part of just thought I'd throw in a yuk was unclear to you??

99 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:51:47am

re: #95 sattv4u2

They don't make these things public and basically ask for citizens to be extra vigil unless they had solid evidence that something is in the works

No, they don't have the details (exact time, place, names, etc)

If they did, they wouldn't be going public

Right. A necessary evil, and I won't fault anyone for an over-abundance of caution.

I usually carry a fairly good-sized speaker cabinet with me in my truck. That'll be left home tonight. I just hope the gig bags my guitars are carried in don't look too suspicious.

100 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:53:02am

re: #3 C1nnabar

I don't get it, they're angry all the time. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, after all.

But they're "white angry". You know, the good kind.

101 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:53:57am

re: #99 makeitstop

Right. A necessary evil, and I won't fault anyone for an over-abundance of caution.

I usually carry a fairly good-sized speaker cabinet with me in my truck. That'll be left home tonight. I just hope the gig bags my guitars are carried in don't look too suspicious.

Just make sure you go through all the compartments and zippers to make sure nothing amiss is in any of them
I would suspect a spot check of all types of bags, coolers, boxes, ect and if there's anything suspicious in the one they look in, ALL the rest will be scrutinized

102 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:54:26am

re: #98 sattv4u2

What part of just thought I'd throw in a yuk was unclear to you??

Oh I dont know...lets see. Your usual bashing of this President in general? Just because you try to disguise it as humor a la Rush Limbaugh, doesn't mean people cant see right though the "its only a joke".

103 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:55:54am

re: #102 blueraven

Oh I dont know...lets see. Your usual bashing of this President in general? Just because you try to disguise it as humor a la Rush Limbaugh, doesn't mean people cant see right though the "its only a joke".

Really? Have an example handy of that?

Just one "bashing" example will do

IN context, mind you. Not one where EVERYONE, from every political stripe here is joking around??

104 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:56:46am

re: #101 sattv4u2

Just make sure you go through all the compartments and zippers to make sure nothing amiss is in any of them
I would suspect a spot check of all types of bags, coolers, boxes, ect and if there's anything suspicious in the one they look in, ALL the rest will be scrutinized

No doubt. I don't mind the cursory bag check. But just thinking about the snarled traffic is starting to make my head hurt.

105 recusancy  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:57:03am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

That's exactly my problem; it's freindly small talk about leasure activities. There's no sense of urgency to get anything done. Biden wasn't pressing Boehner for updates on getting his caucus in line. No business talk about getting something accomplished. Obama called out congress for "political theater" but his speech was exactly that. He knows it's not going to pass and didn't really put any pressure on Congress to get anything done. He just went through the motions for public relations purposes.

You're starting to sound like one of those disaffected liberals who want everything from Obama and they want it yesterday.

106 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:57:08am

re: #100 Charleston Chew

But they're "white angry". You know, the good kind.

I'm worse

I'm white, OLD, and angry

GET OFF MY LAWN, YA DAMN KIDS!!

107 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:57:50am

re: #104 makeitstop

No doubt. I don't mind the cursory bag check. But just thinking about the snarled traffic is starting to make my head hurt.

How long would it usually take you to get to (wherever) you're going?

108 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:58:23am

I supported the President and enjoyed Amy Winehouse's last record,

and yet that image offends me mainly as a skilled Photoshop user.

109 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:00:01am

re: #108 Charleston Chew

LOL, seconded!

110 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:00:38am

re: #108 Charleston Chew

I supported the President and enjoyed Amy Winehouse's last record,

and yet that image offends me mainly as a skilled Photoshop user.

Making it look horrendous is a feature, not a bug.

111 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:01:23am

re: #108 Charleston Chew

I supported the President and enjoyed Amy Winehouse's last record,

and yet that image offends me mainly as a skilled Photoshop user.

I didn't support the President and have no clue as to what Amy Winehouse's last record was and that image offends ME and I don't have the 1st clue as how to photoshop!!

112 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:03:13am

re: #107 sattv4u2

How long would it usually take you to get to (wherever) you're going?

From my driveway to the municipal parking lot around the corner from the club, about an hour give or take a little.

I'm giving it at least two hours tonight. Seeing as how the checkpoints will be set up on every bridge and tunnel into the city, traffic is going to be extremely backed up, probably starting at the Queens line. Add in the US Open in Flushing and the Mets at Citi Field tonight and we're talking major, major traffic jams tonight.

114 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:04:01am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

As usual the crazy goes all the way to the top...
GOP Rep. Brooks Claims ‘Evicting All Illegal Aliens’ Would Create ‘Millions Of Jobs For Americans’

Sure. It would also create more bureaucracy and red tape because of what it would actually take to "evict all the illegals".

It's not as simple as getting rid of all the Mexicans and having all those jobs immediately filled by Real America.

115 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:04:27am

re: #112 makeitstop

I'm giving it at least two hours tonight

Prudent

AT LEAST!

Good luck

116 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:06:17am

re: #87 CuriousLurker

Wingnut visual dictionary:

Angry hispanic men
Angry black men
Angry white men

//Oh wait, I forgot one: Moderate Muslims

Don't forget the angry stealth Jihadist!

117 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:07:50am

re: #114 Lidane

Sure. It would also create more bureaucracy and red tape because of what it would actually take to "evict all the illegals".

It's not as simple as getting rid of all the Mexicans and having all those jobs immediately filled by Real America.

Not to mention that within about a month the lawns would be overgrown, the trash piled to the second story, beds unmade, children screaming for care, produce rotting in the fields (already happened), and businesses failing daily. The teatards would be screaming louder than any.

118 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:08:27am

re: #116 Gus 802

Don't forget the angry stealth Jihadist!

Hahahaha—it took me a minute to figure out why he looked so familiar.

119 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:09:05am

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Hahahaha—it took me a minute to figure out why he looked so familiar.

Yeah. Pointy boots.

120 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:09:36am

re: #114 Lidane

re: #117 allegro
...and 5-8 million MORE vacant homes ...JUST what we need!
How's everyone??

121 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:09:37am

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Hahahaha—it took me a minute to figure out why he looked so familiar.

His hair was covered.

122 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:09:41am

re: #105 recusancy

You're starting to sound like one of those disaffected liberals who want everything from Obama and they want it yesterday.

I'm not really dissalusioned with Obama. He's actually a much better president than I thought he'd be. but there's nothing that can be accomplished while Republicans hold the House. They have no interest in negotiations or doing what's best for the country. There's nothing anybody can do about that and nothing's going to happen until they get voted out or come to their senses.

123 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:10:05am

re: #120 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #117 allegro
...and 5-8 million MORE vacant homes ...JUST what we need!
How's everyone??

indeed! This would be a very, very long list.

124 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:10:51am

re: #103 sattv4u2

Really? Have an example handy of that?

Just one "bashing" example will do

IN context, mind you. Not one where EVERYONE, from every political stripe here is joking around??

Satt, you frame everything as a joke. I am not going to sift through your thousands of posts. But it is obvious to anyone who reads this blog that you do not care for Obama, to put it mildly. Here are just a couple of your "jokes" from last night.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

125 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:10:57am

re: #121 allegro

His hair was covered.

That's it—I didn't recognize him without the goodhair!

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:11:57am

Related to general derpitude from both parties....

There was a massive blackout in California and Az. It was caused by human error at an Az substation and left some 5 million without power.
OK bad enough, but not the real story. Here is the real point:

We have done the bare minimum for our infrastructure to such an extent that one person's screw up in Az can knock out power to 5 million people. Imagine what would happen if someone had acted with a little planning and malice.

Of course improving our infrastructure, which is something desperately needed - particularly by modernizing the power grid, would create millions of jobs and ultimately pay for itself in saved energy costs. But the government would have to actually spend money on things other than corporate welfare to do that. The GOP can't possibly allow such a thing and the Dems don't have the organization to actually have this on the radar.

127 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:12:50am

re: #97 Alouette

Here's your angry white men.

Freebird!!11ty

That's actually from here.

Fans react as members of the band Lynyrd Skynyrd appear on the stage during a concert at the Bangor Waterfront Thursday evening.

128 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:13:02am

re: #45 Hal_10000

There were parts of the speech I disagreed with, parts I agreed with. It's the sort of thing the GOP once, long ago, would have built a compromise from proposed.

The GOP yacht is imbalanced and has been listing hard to starboard for some time now.

129 funky chicken  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:13:35am

re: #81 makeitstop

“The message was: either accept my package as it is, or I will take it to the American people,” Eric Cantor said. “I would say that that’s the wrong approach.”

Whoops, Eric sounds like he want his ring kissed, doesn't he?

130 funky chicken  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:14:46am

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Related to general derpitude from both parties...

There was a massive blackout in California and Az. It was caused by human error at an Az substation and left some 5 million without power.
OK bad enough, but not the real story. Here is the real point:

We have done the bare minimum for our infrastructure to such an extent that one person's screw up in Az can knock out power to 5 million people. Imagine what would happen if someone had acted with a little planning and malice.

Of course improving our infrastructure, which is something desperately needed - particularly by modernizing the power grid, would create millions of jobs and ultimately pay for itself in saved energy costs. But the government would have to actually spend money on things other than corporate welfare to do that. The GOP can't possibly allow such a thing and the Dems don't have the organization to actually have this on the radar.

AMEN

131 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:15:46am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Of course the dumbass doesn't mention how much it would cost to deport and evict all the illegals but sure let's bitch about immigrants some more.

Georgia tried that. It didn't work.

132 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:16:10am

I am so deeply uncomfortable with using someone so recently dead and so tragically dead in a cheap political shot.

A poorly done cheap political shot, at that.

133 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:16:19am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

I'm not really dissalusioned with Obama. He's actually a much better president than I thought he'd be. but there's nothing that can be accomplished while Republicans hold the House. They have no interest in negotiations or doing what's best for the country. There's nothing anybody can do about that and nothing's going to happen until they get voted out or come to their senses.

I totally agree with this. What IS important is that more voters besides those of us who are politically well informed know about these issues and what's going on. Those are the people who are informed by the messages in his speech last night and I hope a further and constant pounding on these issues will bring it home to more. Maybe in 14 months we may get a functioning legislature that will actually address the issues in a positive way.

This is exactly why Cantor is whining about Obama's promise to take it to the voters. He knows that's the bugaboo.

134 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:16:20am

re: #124 blueraven

Satt, you frame everything as a joke. I am not going to sift through your thousands of posts. But it is obvious to anyone who reads this blog that you do not care for Obama, to put it mildly. Here are just a couple of your "jokes" from last night.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

LOL

As stated, the examples you gave were "in the context" of everyone joking around,, ONE in response to Kilgore "bashing" the Prez about using the PASS THE BILL phrase over an over

SO ,,, the answer I asked about finding my "usual bashing" is ,, umm,, NO

it is obvious to anyone who reads this blog that you do not care for Obama,

So is that the new criteria? Everyone that posts here now has to "care for Obama"?

I have praised him when he deserves it,, I have questioned him and opposed policies of his when I disagree

135 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:16:32am

re: #130 funky chicken

Thank you. I am very tired of the two parties we have ignoring the very basics of what any good government is supposed to do.

136 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:17:03am

re: #125 CuriousLurker

That's it—I didn't recognize him without the goodhair!

I didn't either. I was wondering why Billy Bob Thornton had an RPG.

137 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:17:34am

re: #136 Charleston Chew

I didn't either. I was wondering why Billy Bob Thornton had an RPG.

I think he looks more like Josh Brolin but BBT yea I can see that too.

138 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:17:36am

Kitty just caught another small lizard. Chased her down and she finally dropped it and the lizard bolted away.

139 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:17:46am

re: #136 Charleston Chew

I didn't either. I was wondering why Billy Bob Thornton had an RPG.

I still don't know who it is

140 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:17:57am

re: #131 dragonfire1981

Georgia tried that. It didn't work.

Oh yeah? Never read about that. Not surprised it failed.

141 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:18:11am

re: #138 Gus 802

Kitty just caught another small lizard. Chased her down and she finally dropped it and the lizard bolted away.

So ,, no dinner tonight?
/

142 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:18:21am

re: #129 funky chicken

Whoops, Eric sounds like he want his ring kissed, doesn't he?

Yeah, I don't think that's happening this time. He followed that sentence with one about how they want to compromise and do what's best for the American people.

How he said it with a straight face is beyond me.

But Obama put the House GOP back on their heels with that speech. Notice how there is no criticism of the specifics today, just lame 'angry black guy' memes and bad Amy Winehouse photoshop jobs.

They got stung last night, and stung hard.

143 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:18:21am

Image: lynyrd-skynyrd-god-guns-mp3-amazon.jpg

144 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:19:38am

re: #141 sattv4u2

So ,, no dinner tonight?
/

BLUERAVEN

btw , that was a joke

Gus got it!

145 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:19:51am

re: #79 mr.fusion

Now, throw out your ideology and how can you be against a plan that will produce those types of results? I'm not saying that this would be some type of cure-all, but how can anyone argue that nearly 2M jobs and a 2 point jump in GDP growth is anti-American, socialism, or just the ramblings of an angry black man and his "not-so-proud of America" wife?

The GOP base has never accepted a black man as POTUS. He could provide a jobs plan that would miraculously get us to full employment, solve our deficit issues and make everyone rich and they'd *still* object to it.

It's not about the results. It's about the fact that the GOP wants to win the White House back. If they have to be obstructionist assholes by digging their heels in then accusing Obama of not doing anything, that's what they're going to do.

146 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:20:25am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

I'm not really dissalusioned with Obama. He's actually a much better president than I thought he'd be. but there's nothing that can be accomplished while Republicans hold the House. They have no interest in negotiations or doing what's best for the country. There's nothing anybody can do about that and nothing's going to happen until they get voted out or come to their senses.

Aw c'mon, KT, I know how you feel, but I hate it when you get all gloomy like that. There's still 14 months between now and the elections—who knows what could happen?

147 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:21:03am

re: #144 sattv4u2

BLUERAVEN

btw , that was a joke

Gus got it!

You are a real funny guy. That's a joke.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:22:20am

I don't know what it is about Amy Winehouse. The hostility toward her from many punditty types seems out of proportion. There was some guy who was trying to tie her into the riots in England--look, this is the symbol of the culture that produced all this!

Yes, the poor girl was a drugged-out mess, and died as a result of her addictions. But she was a gifted musician, and as far as I can tell, not a cruel or dishonest person, so basically, the point is, they hate her for being an addict. Which is insane. What is this, they can't really beat up on Billie Holiday any more?

149 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:22:25am

My new ETD is tomorrow morning. Yes, I'm a professional procrastinator.

Ugh. BRB. This laptop is crawling.

150 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:24:15am

re: #147 blueraven

You are a real funny guy. That's a joke.

May as well tell you this now

In life, not everyone is going to like/ agree with you 100% of the time

I know,, I know ,, that comes as a shock to you.

SO ,,,, if you want to throw out accusations, please either have evidence to back it up or the testicular fortitude to not hide behind an excuse (I am not going to sift through your thousands of posts)

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:24:23am

re: #21 CuriousLurker

Speaking of the First Lady looking angry, whatever happened to that "whitey" tape, hmm? Just wondering... Hey, remember the "terrorist fist bump"? //

If any wingnuts are interested, I'll be glad to escort them to some places in NY/NJ where they can meet some real, honest to goodness angry black men.

*tries unsuccessfully to suppress a fit of the giggles over the hilarity of it all*

The 'whitey' tape is out there!! They're just saving it for...a special occasion!! Like Christmas!! Or Obama's second inaugural!!

//

152 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:24:23am

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what it is about Amy Winehouse. The hostility toward her from many punditty types seems out of proportion. There was some guy who was trying to tie her into the riots in England--look, this is the symbol of the culture that produced all this!

Yes, the poor girl was a drugged-out mess, and died as a result of her addictions. But she was a gifted musician, and as far as I can tell, not a cruel or dishonest person, so basically, the point is, they hate her for being an addict. Which is insane. What is this, they can't really beat up on Billie Holiday any more?

I don't get it either but these are the same people who hate on John Lennon for being a peace activist so I just shrug my shoulders. Plus, I imagine these same people think Amy was a thug because she had tats.

153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:24:24am

re: #106 sattv4u2

I'm worse

I'm white, OLD, and angry

GET OFF MY LAWN, YA DAMN KIDS!!

What are you angry about?

154 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:24:35am

re: #100 Charleston Chew

But they're "white angry". You know, the good kind.

I keep thinking of Rebel Without a Cause.

155 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:24:55am

re: #153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What are you angry about?

Obviously, the damn kids on my lawn!

156 jaunte  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:25:32am

Texas, getting drier:

Drought: La Niña is back, and should strengthen this winter
During the last month we’ve been talking about the prospect of the current drought afflicting Texas — causing the worst wildfire year on record and rapidly depleting water supplies — continuing into next year.
[Link: blog.chron.com...]

Texas will likely see some welcomed wet periods at times during the fall and early winter as the polar storm track occasionally shifts south bringing quick bursts of precipitation associated with cold fronts and other fast moving disturbances; however, below to well-below-normal precipitation will likely by the dominant weather trend over most of the state though next May.
[Link: blog.chron.com...]

157 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:25:36am

really good article by Mike Lofgren on truth out about how the congressional repubs operate, can't page it for some reason (IE crashes when submitting (and yes, I use IE, the horror)).

Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult

158 iossarian  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:26:07am

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what it is about Amy Winehouse. The hostility toward her from many punditty types seems out of proportion. There was some guy who was trying to tie her into the riots in England--look, this is the symbol of the culture that produced all this!

Yes, the poor girl was a drugged-out mess, and died as a result of her addictions. But she was a gifted musician, and as far as I can tell, not a cruel or dishonest person, so basically, the point is, they hate her for being an addict. Which is insane. What is this, they can't really beat up on Billie Holiday any more?

The conservative relationship with pop music is fraught to say the least.

They love its popular appeal (votes) but hate everything else it stands for (rejection of traditional authority).

159 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:26:13am

re: #155 sattv4u2

Obviously, the damn kids on my lawn!

You need to get your glasses checked. Those aren't kids:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:26:34am

re: #40 jaunte

"As your congressman on the House floor, I will do anything short of shooting them."
He and Jeffrey T seem to be working against that stated goal of integrating minorities into the conservative movement.

I'm just glad he's on the record that he plans to stop short of shooting. Having a congressman serving a sentence for murder would be awkward.

161 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:26:34am

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what it is about Amy Winehouse. The hostility toward her from many punditty types seems out of proportion

Neither do I

GREAT voice ,, talented,,, sad what happened

162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:26:45am

re: #155 sattv4u2

Obviously, the damn kids on my lawn!

Uh-huh.

163 jaunte  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:27:19am

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

"Congressman Stabby, how do you plead?"

164 laZardo  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:27:20am

So I got my EBT card and am waiting for the folks at the CSO to update my submitted paperwork before I can start using it.

How y'all?

165 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:27:37am

re: #159 EmmmieG

You need to get your glasses checked. Those aren't kids:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

DAMN,, you're right

I just thought those pointy hats were gang related

166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:28:22am

re: #146 CuriousLurker

Aw c'mon, KT, I know how you feel, but I hate it when you get all gloomy like that. There's still 14 months between now and the elections—who knows what could happen?

A LOT can happen.

I'm expecting much more of the same, though.

167 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:28:29am

Gah, work beckons. BBL

168 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:28:35am

2012 is gonna get SO RACIAL

169 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:28:48am

re: #150 sattv4u2

.

...please have the testicular fortitude to not hide behind an excuse a joke

170 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:28:50am

re: #164 laZardo

So I got my EBT card and am waiting for the folks at the CSO to update my submitted paperwork before I can start using it.

How y'all?

What's the CSO?

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:29:31am

re: #57 makeitstop

ZOMG, he's so angry. Like Amy Winehouse.

/confused wingnut

Amy Winehouse was *heartbroken*. The Obamas are *angry*. And I am *LOL*.

172 laZardo  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:29:34am

re: #170 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What's the CSO?


Community Services Office.

173 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:29:36am

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what it is about Amy Winehouse. The hostility toward her from many punditty types seems out of proportion. There was some guy who was trying to tie her into the riots in England--look, this is the symbol of the culture that produced all this!

Yes, the poor girl was a drugged-out mess, and died as a result of her addictions. But she was a gifted musician, and as far as I can tell, not a cruel or dishonest person, so basically, the point is, they hate her for being an addict. Which is insane. What is this, they can't really beat up on Billie Holiday any more?

Did people hate Mozart back in the day?

174 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:29:53am

re: #159 EmmmieG

You need to get your glasses checked. Those aren't kids:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

All this time, I thought this

[Link: 1490newsblog.blogspot.com...]

was their "ride"!

175 laZardo  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:29:57am

re: #168 WindUpBird

2012 is gonna get SO RACIAL

And I'm not gonna assume the racists are gonna lose until they actually do. ;_;

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:29:59am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

I'm not really dissalusioned with Obama. He's actually a much better president than I thought he'd be. but there's nothing that can be accomplished while Republicans hold the House. They have no interest in negotiations or doing what's best for the country. There's nothing anybody can do about that and nothing's going to happen until they get voted out or come to their senses.

The president isn't king, and when one whole party's fondest wish is to sabotage the president and government, well, hey

177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:30:23am

re: #168 WindUpBird

2012 is gonna get SO RACIAL

The seething confederates will once again come oozing out of the woodwork, pretending like all their rage is something new. Feh to that, ahead of time.

Dumb bigots.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:30:24am

re: #175 laZardo

And I'm not gonna assume the racists are gonna lose until they actually do. ;_;

guess we'll find out!

179 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:30:43am

re: #156 jaunte

Texas, getting drier:

Go look at the USCGS reports I posted again... All of this has been predicted for some time. Texans don't believe in climate change...Their state is already one of the ones hardest hit first.

Prayers for rain won't help either. G-d foes not care for ignorant, hateful cowboys. In fact, He made rather clear in a number of places that He doesn't like using His Name in vain or to justify being callous to the poor or to justify executing innocent men. Of course thinking that way, would require actually believing in G-d, which people like Perry clearly do not. Otherwise they would not have missed those things He said.

180 Jaerik  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:31:23am

FOR THE LOVE OF F***ING CHRIST

3/4'S OF THE PRICE TAG IS TAX CUTS

YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING

I just... f**k it, I give up.

181 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:31:27am

re: #177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The seething confederates will once again come oozing out of the woodwork, pretending like all their rage is something new. Feh to that, ahead of time.

Dumb bigots.

And they'll lose, after putting up a VALIANT FIGHT LOL, and then they'll stand there stupidly, hands wrist deep in their own poop, and wonder why they lost, with their dull cow brains

182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:31:48am

re: #172 laZardo

Ah. Well, hopefully you won't have to wait too long. Glad you got it.

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:31:49am

re: #180 Jaerik

FOR THE LOVE OF F***ING CHRIST

3/4'S OF THE PRICE TAG IS TAX CUTS

YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING

I just... f**k it, I give up.

they don't care, because they H8 BLACK MAN PRESZNIT RAAAAAGE

184 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:32:25am

re: #180 Jaerik

FOR THE LOVE OF F***ING CHRIST

3/4'S OF THE PRICE TAG IS TAX CUTS

YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING

I just... f**k it, I give up.

Because the other 3/4's isn't tax cuts. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't with that crowd.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:32:38am

re: #117 allegro

Not to mention that within about a month the lawns would be overgrown, the trash piled to the second story, beds unmade, children screaming for care, produce rotting in the fields (already happened), and businesses failing daily. The teatards would be screaming louder than any.

People really, really, do not want to understand how dependent we are on illegal labor, and how happy we are about that, really. There's a lot of denial.

We could change how we do things, but it would require a lot more than 'drive everyone to the border, and nail the border shut', and the people who are most upset about illegal immigration don't have very long attention spans.

186 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:32:38am

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Would it necessarily increase the number of jobs or would it simply provide those working for the existing utilities with something else to do while at their current jobs. After all, utilities claim to spend a significant amount of their resources to maintaining and upgrading their existing infrastructure. Con Ed claimed it spent $1 billion or more since the 2006 blackouts and other utilities are doing similar tasks as part of their ongoing efforts.

Still, upgrading the grid however isn't a regional issue; it requires a national energy plan and that simply doesn't exist and too much red tape will keep needed upgrades such as new high efficiency transmission lines from getting put in place - allowing alt-energy facilities like wind and solar from getting built in places where they are best able to produce power. NIMBY blocks much of the process as well.

187 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:32:49am

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

Amy Winehouse was *heartbroken*. The Obamas are *angry*. And I am *LOL*.

Me, too.

188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:33:16am

re: #181 WindUpBird

And they'll lose, after putting up a VALIANT FIGHT LOL, and then they'll stand there stupidly, hands wrist deep in their own poop, and wonder why they lost -- AGAIN -- , with their dull cow brains

edited for clarity lol

Stupid dupes. I can't wait to [once again] rub their noses in their multiple miseries. /Schadenfreude

189 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:33:37am

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just glad he's on the record that he plans to stop short of shooting. Having a congressman serving a sentence for murder would be awkward.

Given the response to Perry's track record re: executions, that would probably be a sure winner at the polls.

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:34:13am

re: #188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

edited for clarity lol

Stupid dupes. I can't wait to [once again] rub their noses in their multiple miseries. /Schadenfreude

2012! when the giant Mayan space frisbees come home to roost

191 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:34:24am
And in case you missed the point, the Washington Times supplies this deranged Photoshop illustration of Obama’s face on Amy Winehouse’s body, with a hammer-and-sickle tattoo.

The hammer and sickle tat is what does it. If a media illustrator had attached that to any previous POTUS, the boss would have ordered a mandatory leave pending psychiatric evaluation. It is a whole new level of crazy from a major media outlet, which the Moonie Times is these days. It is orders of magnitude beyond what we would have expected to see in the media at their worst 10 years ago. How bad will it get? Who knows? We've been through the looking glass for years now and there seems to be nothing we can do but hang on for the ride.

192 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:34:24am

re: #173 Alouette

Did people hate Mozart back in the day?

Mozart had any number of personal problems, but he was not an addict like Amy Winehouse. I don't have any beef with the poor woman at all. I'm utterly sorry for her. I think the thing about her is that she really did push the self destruct button so hard, so unapologetically and so publicly.

Honestly, most of the wingnuts have probably never listened to a single one of her tracks. They just know from comedians and tabloids how hard she self destructed. It is in a weird way another case of out of touch aging white Christian types attempting to be "cool" and "hip" by even mentioning her name.

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:34:39am

re: #189 C1nnabar

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

Given the response to Perry's track record re: executions, that would probably be a sure winner at the polls.

GOD I HOPE HE'S THE NOMINEE

He'll be annihalated

194 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:34:51am

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Listened on her two albums a few weeks ago and was impressed with her voice. She had pipes alright - right up there with the best voices in music history. What a waste that she died in the prime of her life. But do I feel hatred towards her? Absolutely not. I feel sorry that she died and that loss is amplified by all those who she touched.

195 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:35:10am

re: #186 lawhawk

NIMBY blocks much of the process as well.

Not only that, but utilities are very protective of "their" territories

They don't want others to tell "them" how it's done, be it feds or adjacent companies

196 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:35:30am

re: #191 Shiplord Kirel

The hammer and sickle tat is what does it. If a media illustrator had attached that to any previous POTUS, the boss would have ordered a mandatory leave pending psychiatric evaluation. It is a whole new level of crazy from a major media outlet, which the Moonie Times is these days. It is orders of magnitude beyond what we would have expected to see in the media at their worst 10 years ago. How bad will it get? Who knows? We've been through the looking glass for years now and there seems to be nothing we can do but hang on for the ride.

Oh come on...it was satire!
/

197 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:35:37am

re: #173 Alouette

Just ask Salieri. /

198 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:35:47am

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

It is in a weird way another case of out of touch aging white Christian types attempting to be "cool" and "hip" by even mentioning her name.

Kind of like when Buchanan told Sharpton that Obama was "his boy.". I'd say.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:35:57am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

I don't get it either but these are the same people who hate on John Lennon for being a peace activist so I just shrug my shoulders. Plus, I imagine these same people think Amy was a thug because she had tats.

Kid didn't weigh enough to be a thug.

200 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:36:32am

re: #193 WindUpBird

(I actually meant a winner for the congressman sitting in jail with a murder conviction.)

201 sagehen  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:37:05am

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Related to general derpitude from both parties...

There was a massive blackout in California and Az. It was caused by human error at an Az substation and left some 5 million without power.
OK bad enough, but not the real story. Here is the real point:

We have done the bare minimum for our infrastructure to such an extent that one person's screw up in Az can knock out power to 5 million people. Imagine what would happen if someone had acted with a little planning and malice.

Of course improving our infrastructure, which is something desperately needed - particularly by modernizing the power grid, would create millions of jobs and ultimately pay for itself in saved energy costs. But the government would have to actually spend money on things other than corporate welfare to do that. The GOP can't possibly allow such a thing and the Dems don't have the organization to actually have this on the radar.

Could have been worse... about 6 or 7 years ago, a bird got stuck in a wire in Ohio and the cascading failures knocked out power to almost 100 million people in 15 states (for three days). Iraqis were laughing at us.

202 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:37:05am

Dubya was portrayed as a chimp often enough, and I thought that was disgusting, but only a few fringe-dwelling hopheads dared to illustrate him with a swastika tat or anything of the kind. On the right, though, this kind of infantile hyperbole has become the respectable norm.

203 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:37:12am

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Kid didn't weigh enough to be a thug.

paperweight

Sadly, she had once been reasonably pretty, before she skeleton-ized.

204 thecommodore  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:37:55am
Wow. These people are really losing it.

Indeed they are. Just when you think they can't go any lower, they lower the bar even further.

And that's why, however disappointed you may be in Obama, you must get behind him and fight for him against the right wing noise machine. Because the alternative...well to say it ain't too pretty would be the understatement of the millenium.

205 mikec6666  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:38:38am

Their souls are sick. I feel sorry for them.

206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:39:25am

re: #202 Shiplord Kirel

Dubya was portrayed as a chimp often enough, and I thought that was disgusting, but only a few fringe-dwelling hopheads dared to illustrate him with a swastika tat or anything of the kind. On the right, though, this kind of infantile hyperbole has become the respectable norm.

I hated that chimp shyt. TMK, the only people with the swastikas and hitler mustaches were the troother/Alex Jones types.

(Like they have any room to talk about fascists e_e)

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:40:06am

re: #173 Alouette

Did people hate Mozart back in the day?

Obvious jokes about Salieri's fictional feud with him aside, I don't know. I don't think popular music was as fraught in the eighteenth century, unless it was political ballads that pissed off the powers that be.

Although there is a scene in "Amadeus" where he wants to write "Figaro", and the Emperor is worried because the original piece he's using for the script has some class warfare elements that he doesn't want to see reproduced.

208 sagehen  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:40:49am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

I don't get it either but these are the same people who hate on John Lennon for being a peace activist so I just shrug my shoulders. Plus, I imagine these same people think Amy was a thug because she had tats.

It's cause the actor playing the love interest in her videos was usually a black guy.

209 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:40:55am

re: #201 sagehen

The 2003 blackout was supposed to be a wakeup call for utilities, regulators, and ISOs to change how they regulate power to prevent the precise kind of cascading failure SoCal saw yesterday.

The guy whose actions led to the cascading failure shouldn't get fired for doing a routine job.

The guy who didn't make sure that the local outage wouldn't become a regional blackout taking out the entire grid and forcing a shutdown of 2 nuclear plants etc., should be fired (but wont).

Why wasn't the outage localized and kept from becoming a cascading failure. That's the question that should be asked. Equipment that should have prevented this kind of outage wasn't in place or wasn't working? Did the relevant utilities screw up by not making necessary upgrades after the 2003 NE blackout?

210 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:40:56am

re: #201 sagehen

Could have been worse... about 6 or 7 years ago, a bird got stuck in a wire in Ohio and the cascading failures knocked out power to almost 100 million people in 15 states (for three days). Iraqis were laughing at us.

I was in Ohio when that happened. And I remember what seemed like a quarter of the US and Canada was without power and the national headlines were "Brave New Yorkers Endure Power Outage."

(Maybe I'm getting a mild case of 9/11 fatigue syndrome. No disrespect.)

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:41:05am

re: #17 makeitstop

Wow.

I might be the only one here who believes this, but that speech scared the crap out of the Teahadis. They can't attack the content of the speech, all they can do is ramp up the noise and hope they can divert people's attention.

I agree

The Harry Truman model will be Obama's model, and it will work, and they know it

212 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:41:15am

re: #202 Shiplord Kirel

Dubya was portrayed as a chimp often enough, and I thought that was disgusting, but only a few fringe-dwelling hopheads dared to illustrate him with a swastika tat or anything of the kind. On the right, though, this kind of infantile hyperbole has become the respectable norm.

Easy on the hopheads. I love lots of hops in my beers!!
//

213 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:41:38am

re: #194 lawhawk

Listened on her two albums a few weeks ago and was impressed with her voice. She had pipes alright - right up there with the best voices in music history. What a waste that she died in the prime of her life.

The thing about Amy's music is this -- if you've never been hurt like that, and never felt like you'd had your heart ripped out, you just can't get it.

It's tragic that her demons and addictions took over. I think she would have gone on to do even more amazing work than she did.

214 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:41:40am

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote

Texans Perry doesn't believe in climate change...Their state is already one of the ones hardest hit first.

Please stop with the bigoted broad-brushing, 'k?

215 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:41:41am

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

Mozart had any number of personal problems, but he was not an addict like Amy Winehouse. I don't have any beef with the poor woman at all. I'm utterly sorry for her. I think the thing about her is that she really did push the self destruct button so hard, so unapologetically and so publicly.

Honestly, most of the wingnuts have probably never listened to a single one of her tracks. They just know from comedians and tabloids how hard she self destructed. It is in a weird way another case of out of touch aging white Christian types attempting to be "cool" and "hip" by even mentioning her name.

Her lifestyle was weird, and ultimately caused her early death, but she had enormous talent.

216 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:41:47am

re: #212 rwdflynavy

Easy on the hopheads. I love lots of hops in my beers!!
//

You don't like heads?
wait , WHAT !!????!?!?!

217 MicheleR  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:42:01am

re: #78 allegro

So am I. Please let us know her thoughts after you talk to her.

While I love my mom a lot, it is hard for the two of us to discuss politics and religion. We have very different views.

She's not had any kind of major paradigm shift, she is very conservative in her opinions, but she does agree that it, the economic issues and troubles, is not "all his fault" which is a huge change for her to admit.

It's a start.

218 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:42:45am

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

Obvious jokes about Salieri's fictional feud with him aside, I don't know. I don't think popular music was as fraught in the eighteenth century, unless it was political ballads that pissed off the powers that be.

Although there is a scene in "Amadeus" where he wants to write "Figaro", and the Emperor is worried because the original piece he's using for the script has some class warfare elements that he doesn't want to see reproduced.

"Amadeus" is mostly BS except for the music.

219 sagehen  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:42:45am

re: #173 Alouette

Did people hate Mozart back in the day?

Salieri sure did.

220 laZardo  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:43:14am

re: #214 allegro

Please stop with the bigoted broad-brushing, 'k?

It's not broad-brushing if they're painting themselves with it.

221 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:43:17am

re: #210 Charleston Chew

I was in NYC for both 9/11 and the 2003 blackout, and folks wondered at first whether terrorists had taken out the grid (that was one of many potential threats - and still is). People were still reeling from the attacks and were on edge - and this was just a few months after the US invaded Iraq too.

But from where I was, I saw people trying to make the best of a bad situation and doing what they could to help others who were in the same situation.

222 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:43:55am

re: #219 sagehen

Salieri sure did.

Myth!

223 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:44:49am

re: #222 Obdicut

Myth!

LIES!

224 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:45:39am

re: #223 Varek Raith

LIES!

DRINK!

225 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:45:51am

re: #219 sagehen

Salieri sure did.

No he didn't. "Amadeus" was complete BS.

226 sagehen  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:46:04am

re: #194 lawhawk

Listened on her two albums a few weeks ago and was impressed with her voice. She had pipes alright - right up there with the best voices in music history. What a waste that she died in the prime of her life. But do I feel hatred towards her? Absolutely not. I feel sorry that she died and that loss is amplified by all those who she touched.

She also wrote most of her own songs.

227 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:46:18am

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

Mozart liked farts a lot.

Great artists are often personally bugnuts.

We should rather be grateful to them for pushing the envelope and having the courage to be abnormal, rather than tut-tutting them for being weird.

I wish Winehouse had gone a different path. But in the end she didn't kill someone else in a drunk-driving crash or leave her kids alone while she was hopped up, so she's far ahead of many, many other people anyway.

No clue why people on the right-wing see her as some sort of epitome of... something.

228 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:46:32am

re: #225 Alouette

No he didn't. "Amadeus" was complete BS.

It was?

And I paid $7 for a ticket!!

I WANT A REFUND!!

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:46:44am

re: #203 EmmmieG

paperweight

Sadly, she had once been reasonably pretty, before she skeleton-ized.

My husband happened to find some pictures from early on, and was entranced. (He likes Jewish girls anyway, but she really was strikingly pretty before she got so gaunt.)

And the voice...amazing. I got the album pretty much by mistake--I don't remember exactly how, I think they had some deal at Virgin where you got one for five bucks with a big enough purchase or something.

I popped it in the CD players expecting something sort of pretentious and whiny.

My jaw hit the floor.

I was an accidental fan, but I did end up a pretty big one.

230 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:46:57am

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

Obvious jokes about Salieri's fictional feud with him aside, I don't know. I don't think popular music was as fraught in the eighteenth century, unless it was political ballads that pissed off the powers that be.
.

I'm not sure popular music as we think of it could even exist until the mass media of the 20th century. Not in the way that it's used as an all-purpose boogeyman (just like "Hollywood") by politicians.

If you asked the average European peasant what they thought of Mozart back then, they probably would have just said, "Who the fuck is Mozart?"

231 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:47:19am
Youtube Video

This is my favorite version of Valerie that's on youtube, however, Amy's not in it. They have a bunch of much-healthier young ladies lip-syncing for her. Music actually starts at 1:00.

232 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:47:25am

re: #227 Obdicut

Mozart liked farts a lot.

I probably could have lived the rest of my days without that tidbit!

233 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:47:29am

re: #228 sattv4u2

It was?

And I paid $7 for a ticket!!

I WANT A REFUND!!

The soundtrack was awesome!

234 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:47:58am

re: #225 Alouette

No he didn't. "Amadeus" was complete BS.

r-r-r-r-rock me amadeus

235 MicheleR  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:48:16am

re: #219 sagehen

Salieri sure did.

I saw the movie, all I could find in real life was that the tow of them actually existed, and they both wrote music. Is that all that was true in the whole film??

236 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:48:17am

re: #234 WindUpBird

r-r-r-r-rock me amadeus

Um, that wasn't in the movie. Pretty sure.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:48:30am

re: #206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I hated that chimp shyt. TMK, the only people with the swastikas and hitler mustaches were the troother/Alex Jones types.

(Like they have any room to talk about fascists e_e)

You saw some of it on the signs at the anti-war rallies as well.

My favorite San Francisco artifact from those years though was the three photos in a row--Bush, Schwartzenegger and Gavin Newsom--and the caption was "Compassionate Conservatives".

238 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:48:38am

re: #186 lawhawk

Would it necessarily increase the number of jobs or would it simply provide those working for the existing utilities with something else to do while at their current jobs. After all, utilities claim to spend a significant amount of their resources to maintaining and upgrading their existing infrastructure. Con Ed claimed it spent $1 billion or more since the 2006 blackouts and other utilities are doing similar tasks as part of their ongoing efforts.

Still, upgrading the grid however isn't a regional issue; it requires a national energy plan and that simply doesn't exist and too much red tape will keep needed upgrades such as new high efficiency transmission lines from getting put in place - allowing alt-energy facilities like wind and solar from getting built in places where they are best able to produce power. NIMBY blocks much of the process as well.

To hit your points in order... and please forgive me not digging up the papers I read on this from MIT (you can't see them without subscription)....

1. Updating the grid means a lot more than just work that is already done at the local substation. It means putting in entire new lines, digging big holes, fabricating and manufacturing new materials. I saw one report that showed that updating California alone would be a 5 year job for 200,000 people from construction to electrical engineers. If you add the jobs for fabricating the new materials (as in new modern transmission lines themselves with all the components of a smart grid if you do this right) you create another 200,000 jobs. Then there would be all the jobs in maintaining the new infrastructure.

2. Once you have done all that - and it would cost billions up front no two ways - you also have created a huge amount energy surplus. The less lossy lines and smart grid allow for billions of dollars of energy savings. If you were really smart and included electric charge stations for hybrids and electrics, you save several billion a year alone not going to oil companies and nations that hate us like Saudi Arabia. Of course if you take petro politics out of American policy, you solve a large amount of the Middle East problem as well. You would also loose less productivity due to power outages as storms and heatwave are only going to increase and help mitigate a major national security concern. Our grid is a very easy target. Most importantly, it would reduce our carbon emissions by almost 20%.

3. Yes this would have to be done on a massive federal scale. It could be the TVA our economy needs to actually restart the middle class again - and of course people who have to spend less on electricity and fuel can spend more on other things. The economics is sound.

So yes, we need to do this from an environmental, financial and security view.

239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:48:51am

re: #236 EmmmieG

Um, that wasn't in the movie. Pretty sure.

A MAN CAN DREAM

240 blueraven  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:49:26am

re: #220 laZardo

It's not broad-brushing if they're painting themselves with it.

Funny, I live in TX as does allegro. We both believe in global warming. I know a lot of other people here in TX who also believe. I suspect allegro does too. Hence the statement- Texans dont believe in climate change- is not true. OK?

241 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:49:31am

re: #226 sagehen

She also wrote most of her own songs.

And played guitar pretty well.

242 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:49:33am

re: #233 Alouette

The soundtrack was awesome!

DR ZAIUS, DR ZAIUS!
Wait...
;)

243 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:49:45am

re: #215 Alouette

Her lifestyle was weird, and ultimately caused her early death, but she had enormous talent.

Yes she did. It is a tragedy. No too ways. As to calling her lifestyle weird, I am not so sure. There have been many who flamed out on drugs. It is all too sadly common.

244 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:49:56am

re: #232 sattv4u2

Mozart liked farts a lot.

I probably could have lived the rest of my days without that tidbit!

He wrote party songs like this.

245 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:50:14am

As Homer Simpson pointed out, the guy who played Amadeus was in Animal House. I enjoyed Amadeus knowing that it was fictionalized.

246 sagehen  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:50:26am

re: #210 Charleston Chew

I was in Ohio when that happened. And I remember what seemed like a quarter of the US and Canada was without power and the national headlines were "Brave New Yorkers Endure Power Outage."

(Maybe I'm getting a mild case of 9/11 fatigue syndrome. No disrespect.)

Hey! Maybe it's no big deal to people who live in houses, but here on the 18th floor, in the middle of an August heat wave, it was An Issue.

247 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:50:44am

re: #220 laZardo

It's not broad-brushing if they're painting themselves with it.

Sweet pea, I spent my career at a conservative Texas university that just happens to be a leader in environmental sciences. I know of no scientist at this or any other Tx university who is a denier.

There are deniers in every state, including their governors and legislatures, just like TX. There are also people like me and many, many others who have spent our lifetimes trying educate them to the realities.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:51:05am

re: #208 sagehen

It's cause the actor playing the love interest in her videos was usually a black guy.

Interesting idea. Disturbing, but interesting.

249 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:51:27am

hey, at least that horrible photoshop gives us a break from the usual Obama-as-Hitler or Lenin I'm used to seeing

250 MicheleR  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:51:51am

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting idea. Disturbing, but interesting.

I agree- that is an interesting coincidence. . .

251 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:52:15am

re: #250 MicheleR

Argh.

252 laZardo  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:52:35am

re: #247 allegro

re: #240 blueraven

You're not the majority of Texans though AFAIK...

253 MicheleR  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:52:53am

re: #251 Obdicut

Argh.

Now what?

254 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:52:56am

re: #234 WindUpBird

r-r-r-r-rock me amadeus

A mozart-leaning thread would be nothing without Falco.

Youtube Video
255 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:52:56am

re: #244 Alouette

He wrote party songs like this.

another bit of info I didn't need to know!!

BUT

I'm surprised that some "grunge" "punk" band hasn't taken the lyrics and modernized the music

/

256 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:53:13am

re: #221 lawhawk

I was in NYC for both 9/11 and the 2003 blackout, and folks wondered at first whether terrorists had taken out the grid (that was one of many potential threats - and still is). People were still reeling from the attacks and were on edge - and this was just a few months after the US invaded Iraq too.

But from where I was, I saw people trying to make the best of a bad situation and doing what they could to help others who were in the same situation.

I got no beef with New Yorkers, it was just one of those moments when the national media (mainly hq'ed in NYC) said to themselves, "Hey, we can just stand outside our building to report this story. We hear it's also happening to millions of people in other places but fuck that. That would require effort to report."

257 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:53:22am

re: #253 MicheleR

Now what?

Ar he be out o rum, matey!

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:53:42am

re: #218 Alouette

"Amadeus" is mostly BS except for the music.

It's not historically accurate. It's not meant to be. But it's brilliant. Salieri is an absolutely perfect character.

Also, he was admirably reprised by Lisa Simpson.

"Guten tag, everybody!!"

"Guten tag, Dr. Nick!"

259 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:53:51am

re: #246 sagehen

Hey! Maybe it's no big deal to people who live in houses, but here on the 18th floor, in the middle of an August heat wave, it was An Issue.

18th?...west side?...second window from the corner??

I'd close the blinds if I were you..../

260 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:54:10am

re: #253 MicheleR

Why put spaces in the ellipses? It takes longer to type and it just looks weird.

261 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:54:39am

re: #240 blueraven

Funny, I live in TX as does allegro. We both believe in global warming. I know a lot of other people here in TX who also believe. I suspect allegro does too. Hence the statement- Texans do not believe in global warming- is not true. OK?

I'm in Austin. If the extreme drought, 3+ months of 100+ degree weather, and wildfires aren't signs of global warming, I'll be amazed.

262 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:54:56am

re: #257 Varek Raith

Ar he be out o rum, matey!

And it's driving me nuts!

/punchline mix-up kills seven. We now go live to a Catholic bear.

263 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:55:14am

re: #255 sattv4u2

another bit of info I didn't need to know!!

BUT

I'm surprised that some "grunge" "punk" band hasn't taken the lyrics and modernized the music

/

Did ya see the link? Apparently Insane Clown Posse did. It's funny to see Mozart's music which uoon first glance has this image of being very refined and cultured. I had that same impression about Shakespeare's plays until I found out that the plays were spectacles in their time. One might have gone to the bear bait before they saw the play.

264 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:55:17am

re: #246 sagehen

Hey! Maybe it's no big deal to people who live in houses, but here on the 18th floor, in the middle of an August heat wave, it was An Issue.

Actually, my point was it was An Issue everywhere else, as well.

265 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:55:22am

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

You saw some of it on the signs at the anti-war rallies as well.

My favorite San Francisco artifact from those years though was the three photos in a row--Bush, Schwartzenegger and Gavin Newsom--and the caption was "Compassionate Conservatives".

Lol "care not cash", blah.

Personally I did not see those particular signs there, because I stopped going to the shyt, early on. But I have no doubt whatsoever they were there. By 2004, a lot of those types had gone troother/anybody but bush/AJ. Dupes.

266 nines09  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:56:17am

Just when you think you've seen low.......The loons dig deeper and plumb new depths of classless vile remarks and photoshop garbage. Pieces of disgusting offal a hyena would turn his nose from. Eat me.

267 thecommodore  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:56:35am

re: #206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I hated that chimp shyt. TMK, the only people with the swastikas and hitler mustaches were the troother/Alex Jones types.

(Like they have any room to talk about fascists e_e)

On some right wing message boards, you'll see Obama done up as a chimp. The obvious racism of that isn't the most disgusting thing about it. The most disgusting thing about it is the justification used - "OH WELL THEY DID IT TO BUSH!!!"

268 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:56:50am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Did ya see the link? Apparently Insane Clown Posse did. It's funny to see Mozart's music which uoon first glance has this image of being very refined and cultured. I had that same impression about Shakespeare's plays until I found out that the plays were spectacles in their time. One might have gone to the bear bait before they saw the play.

heh,, had it open, just didn't scroll down that far (just looked at the lyrics)

269 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:57:04am

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not historically accurate. It's not meant to be. But it's brilliant. Salieri is an absolutely perfect character.

Also, he was admirably reprised by Lisa Simpson.

"Guten tag, everybody!!"

"Guten tag, Dr. Nick!"

Salieri also wrote some very decent music. He was not the hack portrayed in the movie. He was just less than awesome compared to Mozart.

270 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:57:28am

re: #268 sattv4u2

heh,, had it open, just didn't scroll down that far (just looked at the lyrics)

S'all good. But yeah, it's cool when modern groups put a modern spin on something centuries old.

271 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:57:51am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

S'all good. But yeah, it's cool when modern groups put a modern spin on something centuries old.

Absogalutely!

272 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:58:00am

re: #269 Alouette

Salieri also wrote some very decent music. He was not the hack portrayed in the movie. He was just less than awesome compared to Mozart.

That would be because everyone was less awesome when compared to Mozart. Except maybe Beethoven.

273 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:58:16am

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

It's historical fiction in the same vein as Braveheart, Girl with the Pearl Earring, etc. The characters may be based on real-life people, but the events didn't happen as portrayed on film.

For example - the Battle of Stirling in Braveheart wasn't on a field, but at a bridge.

Liberties are taken to portray films based on historical events, but some go to great lengths to get the details right.

274 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:59:32am

re: #272 EmmmieG

That would be because everyone was less awesome when compared to Mozart. Except maybe Beethoven.

And the Jonas Brothers!
/

275 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:00:04pm

re: #267 thecommodore

On some right wing message boards, you'll see Obama done up as a chimp. The obvious racism of that isn't the most disgusting thing about it. The most disgusting thing about it is the justification used - "OH WELL THEY DID IT TO BUSH!!!"

Dumb rightwingers - they lie to themselves on a continual basis. Then, they scratch their heads and wonder why nobody trusts them lol

They depict all of us like that. Every generation, they go into this old tired act, yawn.

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:01:16pm

re: #235 MicheleR

I saw the movie, all I could find in real life was that the tow of them actually existed, and they both wrote music. Is that all that was true in the whole film??

Mozart complained in letters that Italian musicians at court, including Salieri, were interfering with his getting work he wanted, and playing 'tricks' on him. Which they probably were. It was a cutthroat little industry, and you took what you could get. I think there was a rumor, long after Mozart died, that Salieri had him poisoned. So there probably was some professional rivalry, maybe even hostility.

What "Amadeus" does with it though is pure fiction...the deliberate destruction, the whole angle with Salieri's relationship with God, the commissioning of the Requiem Mass...fiction. Very, very good fiction, mind you. I love that movie.

277 laZardo  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:01:21pm

re: #275 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Dumb rightwingers - they lie to themselves on a continual basis. Then, they scratch their heads and wonder why nobody trusts them lol

They depict all of us like that. Every generation, they go into this old tired act, yawn.

The fact that they're able to get away with it every generation means it works, in a way.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:02:10pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

As Homer Simpson pointed out, the guy who played Amadeus was in Animal House. I enjoyed Amadeus knowing that it was fictionalized.

Also, the guy who plays the Emperor was the principal in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:02:53pm

re: #250 MicheleR

I agree- that is an interesting coincidence. . .

I'm just not sure that these whiny pundits have actually watched enough Amy Winehouse videos to notice!

280 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:03:01pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, Salieri and Mozart were personal friends, even if they were competitors. They were both successful enough for it not to be a really bad thing. They hung out.

281 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:03:12pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, the guy who plays the Emperor was the principal in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".

Yep, and Salieri was Omar in Scarface.

282 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:03:14pm

re: #214 allegro

Please stop with the bigoted broad-brushing, 'k?

Oh for crying out loud...

Disclaimer number 725 for all of you hypersensitive folks. Why must this need to be typed and retyped?

Not everyone in Texas is a Perry/Bush bot. There are indeed enclaves of education in places like Austin and Houston. However, you are not even close to the majority - as the fact you keep re-electing douches like Perry clearly shows.

As to me being bigoted... I am sorry, I do really hate teabags, medieval thinking fundies and gun nuts. So does every other sane person and please don't tell me that Texas doesn't have an incredibly high concentration of that.

283 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:04:08pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, the guy who plays the Emperor was the principal in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".

And the guy that played Salieri also played Omar Surez in Scarface!

284 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:04:33pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Yep, and Salieri was Omar in Scarface.

re: #283 sattv4u2

I'm a slow typer

:(

285 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:04:36pm

Tony Bennett on Amy Winehouse

Youtube Video
286 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:04:40pm

re: #277 laZardo

The fact that they're able to get away with it every generation means it works, in a way.

It's going to work for a very long time, I think. They're quite wedded to their delusions of superiority. It's all they have.

288 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:05:51pm

re: #265 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol "care not cash", blah.

Personally I did not see those particular signs there, because I stopped going to the shyt, early on. But I have no doubt whatsoever they were there. By 2004, a lot of those types had gone troother/anybody but bush/AJ. Dupes.

I was doing a teaching credential at USF around that time. Some guy was babbling in one of classes--the one I fondly referred to as 'Dated Political Correctness 101', about how progressive people going into education were--"I mean, is anyone in this room going to vote for GAVIN NEWSOM?"

His tone strongly indicated no one was. I raised my hand. So did two other people. He looked startled.

289 William of Orange  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:06:23pm

I think this is very disturbing.

A Wisconsin state employee has been fired after he revealed that a Department of Transportation official had instructed workers to not notify citizens that IDs necessary for voting could be obtained for free.

State employee Chris Larsen told radio host John "Sly" Sylvester that his bosses at the Department of Safety and Professional Services (DSPS) had become upset because he sent an email to other employees Thursday to remind them that photo IDs were supposed to be available without charge.

"Do you know someone who votes that does not have a State ID that meets requirements to vote?" Larsen asked in his email, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "Tell them they can go to the DMV/DOT and get a free ID card. However they must ask for the free ID. a memo was sent out by the 3rd in command of the DMV/DOT. The memo specifically told the employees at the DMV/DOT not to inform individuals that the ID's are free. So if the individuals seeking to get the free ID does not ask for a free ID, they will have to pay for it!!"

Just a day earlier, The Capital Times had revealed the memo written by Department of Transportation's Steve Krieser.

"While you should certainly help customers who come in asking for a free ID to check the appropriate box, you should refrain from offering the free version to customers who do not ask for it," Krieser told Division of Motor Vehicle employees.

Moments after being fired, Larsen spoke to Sylvester in an interview.

Wingnuts dictating the agenda. And they are the ones who want to "take back America"? At all costs so it seems....

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:07:11pm

re: #269 Alouette

Salieri also wrote some very decent music. He was not the hack portrayed in the movie. He was just less than awesome compared to Mozart.

Everyone was less than awesome compared to Mozart. Salieri is shown as being a good and professional musician, though, he's just unstable enough to turn on God because Mozart has the gift he wanted.

291 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:09:36pm

re: #273 lawhawk

Liberties are taken to portray films based on historical events, but some go to great lengths to get the details right.

Like Inglorious Bastards...Great research on that one.../

292 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:10:29pm

Tony Bennett Speaks Frankly

293 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:11:04pm

re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist

I was doing a teaching credential at USF around that time. Some guy was babbling in one of classes--the one I fondly referred to as 'Dated Political Correctness 101', about how progressive people going into education were--"I mean, is anyone in this room going to vote for GAVIN NEWSOM?"

His tone strongly indicated no one was. I raised my hand. So did two other people. He looked startled.

An ex of mine teaches at USF. I'm supposed to party with him + crew this year after the AAR. Should be fun...haven't been to an AAR since it was last out here.

I had no problems voting for Newsom. Wasn't my favorite, but none of them are. I don't know where people are getting this idea that 1- there is a perfect candidate for them and 2- they'll be everything promised. People are just looking for ciphers. They'll make ciphers out of anyone, I think.

294 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:12:02pm

re: #201 sagehen

Could have been worse... about 6 or 7 years ago, a bird got stuck in a wire in Ohio and the cascading failures knocked out power to almost 100 million people in 15 states (for three days). Iraqis were laughing at us.

I remember... Thank you for adding to my point.

295 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:12:59pm

re: #289 William of Orange

I think this is very disturbing.

Wingnuts dictating the agenda. And they are the ones who want to "take back America"? At all costs so it seems...

Yeah, take America back to Selma, pre-1965.

296 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:14:53pm

Lulz:

"Mentioning executions is a sure-fire applause line for conservatives. It's like saying ‘pot’ to the audience of The Daily Show." -- Stephen Colbert

297 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:16:07pm

It's interesting that the first stop on Obama's tour to talk abut the jobs act is - Eric Cantor's home district.

I'm thinking the president has really grown to dislike that little twerp and is going to enjoy messing with him in the coming months.

298 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:16:32pm

re: #296 publicityStunted

Lulz:

Yeah... Ironic how those people claim to hate Islam so much... they would fit right in at the chop chop square in Saudi Arabia and even bring a picnic basket.

299 Jaerik  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:16:45pm

re: #218 Alouette

"Amadeus" is mostly BS except for the music.

Well, and certain aspects of Mozart's character and life. He was a bit nuts, gregarious, had serious problems with money, trouble with authority, and an "annoying laugh."

But the plot itself was pretty much made up.

300 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:17:32pm

re: #298 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah... Ironic how those people claim to hate Islam so much... they would fit right in at the chop chop square in Saudi Arabia and even bring a picnic basket.

The American Taliban™

301 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:18:03pm

re: #299 Jaerik

Well, and certain aspects of Mozart's character and life. He was a bit nuts, gregarious, had serious problems with money, trouble with authority, and an "annoying laugh."

So he was me but with talent.

302 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:18:09pm

re: #300 Gus 802

The American Taliban™

Absolutely

303 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:20:17pm

re: #298 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah... Ironic how those people claim to hate Islam so much... they would fit right in at the chop chop square in Saudi Arabia and even bring a picnic basket.

Bryan Fischer and David Barton come to mind here.

304 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:20:30pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

While we're all talking about Mozart vs. Salieri, may I put in a plug for Pushkin (one-act play "Mozart and Salieri") and Rimsky-Korsakov (one-act opera based on one-act play)? Of course, their plot is much darker than Amadeus was, but they're great works.

305 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:20:32pm

re: #298 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah... Ironic how those people claim to hate Islam so much... they would fit right in at the chop chop square in Saudi Arabia and even bring a picnic basket.

Yeah, and for the same offenses, too. I don't know why they don't just move there, or some other top-down, socon theocracy.

306 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:21:15pm

@frontlinepbs FRONTLINE
"McChrystal turned JSOC around “by outright rejecting at least four of Top Secret America’s defining characteristics" [Link: ow.ly...]

307 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:21:44pm

re: #305 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, and for the same offenses, too. I don't know why they don't just move there, or some other top-down, socon theocracy.

Because their motive is to spread the intolerance far and wide as well as reinforcement. :)

308 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:21:56pm

re: #306 Gus 802

@frontlinepbs FRONTLINE
"McChrystal turned JSOC around “by outright rejecting at least four of Top Secret America’s defining characteristics" [Link: ow.ly...]

Ackerman writes:

The network McChrystal built … in stark contrast to the rest of the U.S. security bureaucracy, which Priest and Arkin call “Top Secret America” and which remains disconnected, bloated and expensive. Priest and Arkin bluntly conclude that McChrystal turned JSOC around “by outright rejecting at least four of Top Secret America’s defining characteristics: its enormous size, its counterproductive duplication, its internal secrecy, and its old-fashioned, hierarchical structure.” What the post-9/11 reforms failed to accomplish across the sprawling national security apparatus, McChrystal did in miniature.

309 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:23:20pm

It's not anything new though. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were running their yaps about gays, secularists, and others before I was even born. Needs to be mentioned but Pat's father was a member of the staunchly segregationist Byrd Machine here in Virginia.

310 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:23:49pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Bryan Fischer and David Barton come to mind here.

Especially since being homosexual is a capital offence. Women are kept in a position that they generally approve of also.

re: #305 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, and for the same offenses, too. I don't know why they don't just move there, or some other top-down, socon theocracy.

Well the thing is that Saudis talk to a vision of a cruel, unforgiving, judgemental and unthinking dogmatic God in the wrong language.

311 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:25:15pm

re: #310 LudwigVanQuixote

Especially since being homosexual is a capital offence. Women are kept in a position that they generally approve of also.

re: #305 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well the thing is that Saudis talk to a vision of a cruel, unforgiving, judgemental and unthinking dogmatic God in the wrong language.

Yep, those two and their positions on gays would put them in great company with the Saudi Wahhabi.

312 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:26:16pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Yep, those two and their positions on gays would put them in great company with the Saudi Wahhabi.

Or the theocrats in Iran.

313 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:26:37pm

re: #312 LudwigVanQuixote

Or the theocrats in Iran.

For sure.

314 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:27:21pm

re: #283 sattv4u2

And the guy that played Salieri also played Omar Surez in Scarface!

Unintentional result of this remark: I'm imagining Omar from "The Wire" as Salieri.

315 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:31:59pm

Here's your Republican "jobs" and "economy" program:

Congress expands Fast and Furious probe to White House

Congressional investigators reviewing the failed gun-tracking program Operation Fast and Furious have formally asked the Obama administration to turn over copies of "all records" involving three key White House national security officials and the program, other ATF gun cases in Phoenix, and all communications between the White House and the ATF field office in Arizona...

316 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:36:46pm

Obama jobs plan spurs cautious hope among businesses
President Obama's package of tax cuts and infrastructure spending is seen as a simpler and more direct strategy than the 2009 stimulus. But paying for it and overcoming GOP opposition will be challenges, businesspeople say.

For a lot of businesses in California and the rest of the nation, there didn't seem to be much that President Obama could have said to sway them that Washington was able to help foster new jobs, but some liked his proposed $447-billion package of tax cuts and infrastructure spending — with reservations.

Primarily, they doubted that he stood a realistic chance of getting the program through Republican opposition in Congress. They also worried about what the stimulus he unveiled Thursday would mean for the nation's deficit.

"I love it from my standpoint, but looking at it from the government's standpoint, can they afford to do that?" said Kim Megonigal, chairman of Kimco Staffing Services in Irvine, which operates 40 offices in California.

Under Obama's plan, Megonigal stands to save $155,000 from the 50% payroll tax cuts of his existing employees. Additionally he would save as much as about $6,600 in payroll taxes for every new employee he adds as long as that represents overall growth in payroll up to $50 million from the prior year.

Continues.

317 MicheleR  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:39:26pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

Mozart complained in letters that Italian musicians at court, including Salieri, were interfering with his getting work he wanted, and playing 'tricks' on him. Which they probably were. It was a cutthroat little industry, and you took what you could get. I think there was a rumor, long after Mozart died, that Salieri had him poisoned. So there probably was some professional rivalry, maybe even hostility.
What "Amadeus" does with it though is pure fiction...the deliberate destruction, the whole angle with Salieri's relationship with God, the commissioning of the Requiem Mass...fiction. Very, very good fiction, mind you. I love that movie.

I did like the movie, and as many have stated, the soundtrack was awesome.

318 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:42:37pm

SpeakerBoehner Speaker John Boehner
House leaders request text of President Obama’s legislation so it can be scored by CBO: [Link: j.mp...] #jobsnow #4jobs

And what happens when that scoring comes back and gets the job done? What then? Will the GOP pass it, or will they fight it every step of the way?

319 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:42:38pm

re: #315 Gus 802

Here's your Republican "jobs" and "economy" program:

Congress expands Fast and Furious probe to White House

Nothing like a witch hunt to prevent anything from getting done - while Rome is burning. What plans they do have for America will destroy this nation, our economy and our liberties. Any chance to do anything to fix things is blocked by their callous shenanigans.

I hate Republicans.

I hate them with the blazing heat of a million supernovas. I hate them for being smug and arrogant. I hate them for their stupidity. I hate them for their inability to care for anyone but themselves. I hate their ignorance. I hate them for the way they profane God by invoking His name for their evil actions. I hate them for their endless fear and whining. They are a lot of cringing bed wetters. I hate them for their racism. I hate them for impoverishing the average American. I hate them for destroying our chances to prevent an eco-collapse. I hate them because my little neices and nephews will grow into a nightmare world.

320 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:43:12pm

re: #319 LudwigVanQuixote

Nothing like a witch hunt to prevent anything from getting done - while Rome is burning. What plans they do have for America will destroy this nation, our economy and our liberties. Any chance to do anything to fix things is blocked by their callous shenanigans.

I hate Republicans.

I hate them with the blazing heat of a million supernovas. I hate them for being smug and arrogant. I hate them for their stupidity. I hate them for their inability to care for anyone but themselves. I hate their ignorance. I hate them for the way they profane God by invoking His name for their evil actions. I hate them for their endless fear and whining. They are a lot of cringing bed wetters. I hate them for their racism. I hate them for impoverishing the average American. I hate them for destroying our chances to prevent an eco-collapse. I hate them because my little neices and nephews will grow into a nightmare world.

Yep. One word? Diversion.

321 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:45:12pm

re: #318 lawhawk

SpeakerBoehner Speaker John Boehner
House leaders request text of President Obama’s legislation so it can be scored by CBO: [Link: j.mp...] #jobsnow #4jobs

And what happens when that scoring comes back and gets the job done? What then? Will the GOP pass it, or will they fight it every step of the way?

From what I've seen Republicans typically ignore the CBO.

322 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:46:02pm

re: #321 Gus 802

From what I've seen Republicans typically ignore the CBO.

That is because actual numbers and things like truth do not fit their message.

323 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:48:45pm

re: #322 LudwigVanQuixote

That is because actual numbers and things like truth do not fit their message.

New Rule: If the Republicans are going to reject science they might as reject math!

//

324 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:49:07pm

re: #318 lawhawk

SpeakerBoehner Speaker John Boehner
House leaders request text of President Obama’s legislation so it can be scored by CBO: [Link: j.mp...] #jobsnow #4jobs

And what happens when that scoring comes back and gets the job done? What then? Will the GOP pass it, or will they fight it every step of the way?

Same CBO that said the health care plan wouldn't effect the debt much right?

325 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:49:33pm

Those tricky elitist mathematicians and accountants!

326 MicheleR  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:49:49pm

[Link: www.jsonline.com...]
From my college town local paper, any Wisconsin people remember the 2 Milwaukee papers?

327 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:49:55pm

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Same CBO that said the health care plan wouldn't effect the debt much right?

Time and time again. "The CBO is a liberal conspiracy."

328 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:51:44pm

Boom!

PPP: North Carolina Presidential Race Tight, But GOP Contenders All Viewed Unfavorably

The survey shows the President’s job approval remains well underwater in the state, at 43 percent approval with 53 against, with 62 percent of independent voters disapproving along with 20 percent of Democrats. There’s also a huge gender gap: only 37 percent of men approve of his performance versus 61, with women breaking 48 - 46. But those numbers reflect the level of discontent nationally and are therefore somewhat unsurprising.

What is surprising is the low standing of GOP candidates in the eyes of the North Carolina electorate. That’s not to say that the race isn’t close. In fact, Obama is locked in a tie with Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 45 percent a piece, leads former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney 45 percent to 44, and only bests Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) 47 - 45. But each of those Republicans have high unfavorability ratings among NC voters: Perry is already seen unfavorably by 43 percent after only a few weeks on the trail (against 34 percent approval), Romney is well underwater at 28 - 52, and Bachmann is at 29 - 52. So if this is a low point for the President in terms of popularity, there’s room for Obama to outpace his opponents.

329 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:51:46pm

re: #323 Gus 802

New Rule: If the Republicans are going to reject science they might as reject math!

//

Their base have always rejected math. They are proud that they can't do it. Who needs things like algebra or trig or dare I say it calculus? One look at their crazy economic theories, which always fail, and they always repeat, proves this. The corporate goons at the top though understand the math well enough to profit in the short term, but like any bad parasite, do not consider the possibility of killing the host.

330 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:53:08pm

re: #318 lawhawk

SpeakerBoehner Speaker John Boehner
House leaders request text of President Obama’s legislation so it can be scored by CBO: [Link: j.mp...] #jobsnow #4jobs

And what happens when that scoring comes back and gets the job done? What then? Will the GOP pass it, or will they fight it every step of the way?

Of course they will ignore it and fight it. Just like they did every other time.

331 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:53:32pm

re: #328 Gus 802

Boom!

PPP: North Carolina Presidential Race Tight, But GOP Contenders All Viewed Unfavorably

The fact that he's staying even in North Carolina can't be a good sign for the GOP. It's true that he won it last time but it was awfully close.

332 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:57:44pm

re: #328 Gus 802

Well, if we are very lucky, America isn't quite ready to elect a mentally deficient, corporate bought and sold, dumb as a brick, Jesus bot with all the crudeness of LBJ, but none of the talent, to office just yet.

333 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:00:02pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

The fact that he's staying even in North Carolina can't be a good sign for the GOP. It's true that he won it last time but it was awfully close.

Correct. Especially North Carolina. Think about it. Michele Bachmann is a lunatic and it was like she didn't even exist in the last debate. Romney is a dishonest and robot-like professional politician that's reinvented himself several times. And Perry is slimy snake. The rest of them aren't even worth spit. Craziest Republican line-up ever.

334 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:03:05pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, if we are very lucky, America isn't quite ready to elect a mentally deficient, corporate bought and sold, dumb as a brick, Jesus bot with all the crudeness of LBJ, but none of the talent, to office just yet.

Rick Perry should stay in Texas. We sure don't want him in the rest of the country.

335 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:06:35pm

Mr. Obama keeps injecting the heroin of class warfare and socialism

less like actual criticism than a species of porn

336 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:10:45pm

re: #335 engineer dog

Mr. Obama keeps injecting the heroin of class warfare and socialism

less like actual criticism than a species of porn Stormfront

FTFY ;)

337 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:10:54pm

re: #335 engineer dog

less like actual criticism than a species of porn

That's got "rotating title" written all over it. I damn near swallowed my cigarette.

338 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:11:21pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, if we are very lucky, America isn't quite ready to elect a mentally deficient, corporate bought and sold, dumb as a brick, Jesus bot with all the crudeness of LBJ, but none of the talent, to office just yet.

there's a great story that when lbj was talking to robert kennedy, kennedy kept on referring to "the help". johnson finally interrupted and said "i don't have help, i have employees"

339 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:12:37pm

re: #335 engineer dog

Mr. Obama keeps injecting the heroin of class warfare and socialism

less like actual criticism than a species of porn

Class warfare... why yes, once again, the projection of the right. There is indeed class warfare - an open and hard war on the middle class and working Americans perpetrated by the GOP and promoted by Fox.

340 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:13:41pm

re: #338 engineer dog

there's a great story that when lbj was talking to robert kennedy, kennedy kept on referring to "the help". johnson finally interrupted and said "i don't have help, i have employees"

Well, I did point out that LBJ had some talent. But to say he was anything other than crude would be unfair to history.

341 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:14:42pm

re: #338 engineer dog

there's a great story that when lbj was talking to robert kennedy, kennedy kept on referring to "the help". johnson finally interrupted and said "i don't have help, i have employees"

And of course, I am NOT criticizing Civil Rights. I am referring to LBJ pointing at scars and swaggering with women and strong arming people etc...

342 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:18:12pm

Tom Brokaw: ‘Unknowable Future’
9/11: A Decade Later

Video.

343 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:18:28pm

re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote

And of course, I am NOT criticizing Civil Rights. I am referring to LBJ pointing at scars and swaggering with women and strong arming people etc...

yeah - there are also the stories about how he would make cabinet members talk to him while he was taking a dump

i get most of my information about him from the caro biography

344 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:20:16pm

Completely OT, but my quest for a full-time, paid job rolls on. The new Marketing Director for my department and I just met. She not only loves the fact that I'm not a kid in my 20's that's straight out of college, but that I have the long resume and drive to really do as much as possible.

I don't want to jinx myself, but I could end up with more money than I've asked for, and more responsibility than I've had so far. :D

345 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:22:14pm

re: #342 Gus 802

Tom Brokaw: ‘Unknowable Future’
9/11: A Decade Later

Video.

If you're curious here's the op-ed piece that he mentioned.

The Wars That America Forgot About
By TOM BROKAW
Published: October 17, 2010

IN what promises to be the most contentious midterm election since 1994, there is no shortage of passion about big issues facing the country: the place and nature of the federal government in America’s future; public debt; jobs; health care; the influence of special interests; and the role of populist movements like the Tea Party.

In nearly every Congressional and Senate race, these are the issues that explode into attack ads, score points in debates and light up cable talk shows. In poll after poll, these are the issues that voters say are most important to them this year.

Notice anything missing on the campaign landscape?

Continues.

346 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:23:35pm

re: #344 Lidane

Good luck!

347 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:26:21pm

Some Channels Are Forgoing 9/11 Shows

But not every major outlet is flying the Sept. 11 flag that night. Three in particular — Fox, HBO and NBC — are conspicuous by the absence of programs directly tied to the anniversary during those hours.

348 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:37:16pm

LOL forever. Talk about an unwanted endorsement:

Rick Perry’s Newest Fan: Birther Queen Orly Taitz

349 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:37:18pm

Charles, is there any way I can remain logged in on 3 machines? They should all send you the same IP.

I'm sure I can get some lizard to back me up that I'm not a troll or a sock.

351 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:39:05pm

re: #348 Lidane

LOL forever. Talk about an unwanted endorsement:

Rick Perry’s Newest Fan: Birther Queen Orly Taitz

Hahahahhaa. this will be fun. I wonder if one Perry will pursue it and two what will happen if he doesn't, will Orly say that Perry tricked her and is part of the conspiracy.

352 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:40:51pm

We've had Sally Kerns brought to our attention before I believe. Really, I didn't think it could be worse than Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson saying we deserved 9-11 and Sally just one uped them by saying people of the same gender loving each other in a romantic way is worse than terrorism. What a bigoted psycho.

353 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:43:19pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

We've had Sally Kerns brought to our attention before I believe. Really, I didn't think it could be worse than Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson saying we deserved 9-11 and Sally just one uped them by saying people of the same gender loving each other in a romantic way is worse than terrorism. What a bigoted psycho.

someone should simply ask her how she knows this

354 Atlas Fails  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:44:50pm

Individualism sounds so much nicer than selfishness. And class warfare sounds so much scarier than helping the poor and middle class.

355 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:49:56pm

re: #326 MicheleR

[Link: www.jsonline.com...]
From my college town local paper, any Wisconsin people remember the 2 Milwaukee papers?

I miss the Green Sheet every morning along with a real Milwaukee Journal. Before they merged with the Sentinel it was a real newspaper. But there are very very few real newspapers left...

356 recusancy  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:51:08pm

TPM does a story on anonymous members mugshots and it looks like their site is down already.

357 Buck  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:51:54pm

I am only a Canadian, but was Abraham Lincoln really the founder of the Republican Party?

I studied US history, and I don't remember that.

358 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:53:10pm

re: #350 Lidane

Also, WTF GOP:

GOP Legislator: Homosexuality Is ‘More Dangerous’ Than Terrorist Attacks Because We Have To Deal With It Every Day

Lol following that logic, socons are worse than terrorists, since I have to deal with them every day. 9_9

Dumb conservatives.

359 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:53:47pm

re: #357 Buck

I am only a Canadian, but was Abraham Lincoln really the founder of the Republican Party?

I studied US history, and I don't remember that.

google is pretty cool

360 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:54:33pm

re: #358 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol following that logic, socons are worse than terrorists, since I have to deal with them every day. 9_9

Dumb conservatives.

"spreading like cancer!"
WOOK OUT!

361 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:54:52pm

re: #350 Lidane

Also, WTF GOP:

GOP Legislator: Homosexuality Is ‘More Dangerous’ Than Terrorist Attacks Because We Have To Deal With It Every Day

I have to deal with evil money grubbing corporations every day, are they worse than gays too?

362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:55:46pm

re: #360 albusteve

"spreading like cancer!"
WOOK OUT!

Aren't we, though.

363 Atlas Fails  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:56:09pm

re: #357 Buck

I am only a Canadian, but was Abraham Lincoln really the founder of the Republican Party?

I studied US history, and I don't remember that.

Not the founder, but the first Republican president. That was back when Democrats were the small government, states' rights party, and Republicans were the party of civil rights and proactive government. Goodness, times have changed.

364 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:56:56pm

re: #361 dragonfire1981

I have to deal with evil money grubbing corporations every day, are they worse than gays too?

No, see -- corporations are people, but gays are subhuman.

365 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:58:18pm

re: #356 recusancy

TPM does a story on anonymous members mugshots and it looks like their site is down already.

Whoa

366 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:58:47pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

We've had Sally Kerns brought to our attention before I believe. Really, I didn't think it could be worse than Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson saying we deserved 9-11 and Sally just one uped them by saying people of the same gender loving each other in a romantic way is worse than terrorism. What a bigoted psycho.

I really do think people this invested in a belief system need help, simply because being so rigid that nothing other than extreme authoritarian information is acceptable is harmful in a culture changing as quickly as ours. I'm not sure we can call them psycho though.

Canada has islands way up north that need to be colonized. If we can convince these hyper-rigid people those islands are an opportunity for them to practice their nonsense, we can get some free work done preparing the islands for real civilization.

We would probably have to wait a just few decades until they kill themselves off before we can capitalize on their work.

367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:01:25pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Sally Kerns

Dumb confederate.

368 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:01:44pm

I'm looking for a sure fire comment that will kill any thread. Anyone have any ideas?

I looked, but there are no Apple or Android apps for that.

369 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:02:57pm

Kerns seems like a Bachmann just waiting to happen. Wouldn't be surprised at all if we saw here in the House in a few years. These people get their starts somewhere. They don't just appear out of thin air by and large.

370 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:03:25pm

re: #368 b_sharp

I'm looking for a sure fire comment that will kill any thread. Anyone have any ideas?

I looked, but there are no Apple or Android apps for that.

Does this look like a rash to you?

371 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:03:55pm

re: #363 Atlas Fails

Not the founder, but the first Republican president. That was back when Democrats were the small government, states' rights party, and Republicans were the party of civil rights and proactive government. Goodness, times have changed.

His predecessor as Republican nominee, John C Fremont is an interesting historical figure. Would have happily voted for him over James Buchanan, who IMO is among the worst presidents in history and easily in my bottom 3.

372 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:04:07pm

re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Does this look like a rash to you?

Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

/

373 Buck  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:04:23pm

re: #363 Atlas Fails

Not the founder, but the first Republican president. That was back when Democrats were the small government, states' rights party, and Republicans were the party of civil rights and proactive government. Goodness, times have changed.

So that would be a "doesn't know history" mistake on Obamas part... I mean it was even in a written speech, and not an off the cuff remark. You would think that his staff would have read it as well.

374 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:05:43pm

re: #372 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

/

Now let me tell you about the second time I got an STD...

375 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:05:58pm

re: #372 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

/

I've been trying to get this booger out of my nose for ten minutes and it just won't come out.

376 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:08:30pm

re: #357 Buck

I am only a Canadian, but was Abraham Lincoln really the founder of the Republican Party?

I studied US history, and I don't remember that.

the republican party was founded in the mid 1850s as the anti-slavery party. its first presidential candidate was john fremont, "the pathfinder", and he ran on the slogan "free land, free men, fremont!"

the only other item on the republican party platform at that time was federal financing help for the expansion of the railroads - a big federal program, obviously, that would be opposed by republicans these days

immediately after the civil war, once slavery was abolished, the republican party became the party of the big business establishment

the democratic party remained the party of the south and of those in the north who wanted to run as outside reformers and friends of the urban working man, but the merger of populist and progressive movements with the democratic party didn't take place until the election of 1896

377 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:09:18pm

re: #356 recusancy

TPM does a story on anonymous members mugshots and it looks like their site is down already.

I thought they were about transparency?

//

378 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:09:40pm

What happened to TPM?

379 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:11:39pm

re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now let me tell you about the second time I got an STD...

Hold my beer and watch this!

/

380 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:13:26pm

re: #344 Lidane

Completely OT, but my quest for a full-time, paid job rolls on. The new Marketing Director for my department and I just met. She not only loves the fact that I'm not a kid in my 20's that's straight out of college, but that I have the long resume and drive to really do as much as possible.

I don't want to jinx myself, but I could end up with more money than I've asked for, and more responsibility than I've had so far. :D

Best of luck, Lidane.

381 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:13:40pm

re: #376 engineer dog

the democratic party remained the party of the south and of those in the north who wanted to run as outside reformers and friends of the urban working man, but the merger of populist and progressive movements with the democratic party didn't take place until the election of 1896

If you want to see something interesting, check out the electoral map from the 1952 and 1956 elections.

A sea of red everywhere -- except in the southeast.

Wikipedia - 1956 Election results

382 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:14:22pm

re: #357 Buck

I am only a Canadian, but was Abraham Lincoln really the founder of the Republican Party?

I studied US history, and I don't remember that.

I see you're mindlessly repeating the wingnut talking point of the day.
Abraham Lincoln

Drawing on remnants of the old Whig party, and on disenchanted Free Soil, Liberty, and Democratic party members, he was instrumental in forging the shape of the new Republican Party.[94]

383 Atlas Fails  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:14:35pm

re: #373 Buck

So that would be a "doesn't know history" mistake on Obamas part... I mean it was even in a written speech, and not an off the cuff remark. You would think that his staff would have read it as well.

Yeah, Obama and his staff thought Lincoln was a Democrat. Because no president has ever complimented a previous office holder of a different party, especially one hundred and fucking fifty years later, when the political landscape is totally unrecognizable. Did you live under power lines as a kid or something?

384 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:16:02pm

Republican Party (United States)

Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican President (1861–1865)

Image: 220px-Abraham_Lincoln_head_on_shoulders_photo_portrait.jpg

386 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:17:48pm

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Republican Party (United States)

Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican President (1861–1865)

Image: 220px-Abraham_Lincoln_head_on_shoulders_photo_port rait.jpg

Why didn't an aide straighten his tie before the photographer said "CHEESE" !?!?!

387 Buck  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:17:52pm

re: #383 Atlas Fails

Yeah, Obama and his staff thought Lincoln was a Democrat. Because no president has ever complimented a previous office holder of a different party, especially one hundred and fucking fifty years later, when the political landscape is totally unrecognizable. Did you live under power lines as a kid or something?

No Obama and his staff thought Abraham Lincoln was the founder of the Republican Party. They didn't think he was a Democrat.

You know like Sarah Palin thought Paul Revere “warned the British” during his famed 1775 ride...

388 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:17:53pm

oh dear

389 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:18:09pm

From what I've read no one man could be said to be the "founder" of the Republican Party. If they're seriously going to make a big deal of Obama saying this. I don't see what the big hoopla is. In the past and I am sure even the president, you'll hear Republicans talk proudly about Lincoln being a founding father of the Republican Party. I also did some research and Lincoln was the runner up for VP in 1856. So, no, Lincoln didn't found the GOP but he was easily its most prominent member and its icon for many years. Republicans have Lincoln Dinners the same way Democrats have Jefferson-Jackson. They clearly see him as someone who was very instrumental to the party's founding.

390 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:18:30pm

re: #384 Killgore Trout

re: #386 sattv4u2

Why didn't an aide straighten his tie before the photographer said "CHEESE" !?!?!

Or maybe his tie IS straight and his head and body are crooked!!!
/

391 darthstar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:18:55pm

Someone's been dipping into the mescaline again...

392 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:19:27pm

re: #385 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boykin: 'Persecution' Of Christian Soldiers, Politicians A Sign Of The End Times

Oh for fucks sake Boykin shut the fuck up. Seriously I am so sick of Christians acting like they're persecuted when people like Boykin and his allies want to persecute people for being either Muslim, gay, atheist, whatever.

393 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:19:41pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

I see you're mindlessly repeating the wingnut talking point of the day.

That's par for the course when it comes to Buck.

No original thought. No substance. Just parroting whatever GOP talking points exist that day.

394 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:19:59pm

re: #357 Buck

I am only a Canadian

And don't you forget it, ya hoser, eh!!
/

395 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:20:03pm

Image: tumblr_lmpcbtar6f1qafrh6.jpg

396 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:20:57pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

I see you're mindlessly repeating the wingnut talking point of the day.
Abraham Lincoln

Sure looks like it.

397 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:21:42pm

re: #393 Lidane

That's par for the course when it comes to Buck.

No original thought. No substance. Just parroting whatever GOP talking points exist that day.

yeah, we need more thought and substance around here

398 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:22:09pm

re: #396 Gus 802

Sure looks like it.

Hot Air
Weasel Zippers
Legal Insurrection
Spectator

399 Atlas Fails  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:22:36pm

re: #387 Buck

No Obama and his staff thought Abraham Lincoln was the founder of the Republican Party. They didn't think he was a Democrat.

You know like Sarah Palin thought Paul Revere “warned the British” during his famed 1775 ride...

Ah, this is what I get for trying to bounce between three different sites at once. I do enjoy your attempts to play magical balance fairy, though. Hey, Palin might be a barking-at-cars moron who makes a fool of herself at every turn and thought Paul Revere rang them bells and warned the British, but Obama said 57 states and called Lincoln the founder of the GOP, when he was really just its key early figure. Teabaggers aren't the only stupids!!!

400 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:23:26pm

re: #397 albusteve

yeah, we need more thought and substance around here

Sorry, but I had a thought, and it died of loneliness

And I can't afford any more substance!

401 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:23:44pm

re: #373 Buck

So that would be a "doesn't know history" mistake on Obamas part... I mean it was even in a written speech, and not an off the cuff remark. You would think that his staff would have read it as well.

Did you ever find the part about "bells ringing" in Paul Revere's letter?

402 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:23:57pm

I thought mofo was the biggest tool on this site, but I see now that he has some catching up to do.

403 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:24:04pm

To make BUck and the rest of the wingnuts look extra stupid. GOP.com

Who we are

In 1856, the Republicans became a national party by nominating John C. Fremont for President. Four years later, with the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860, the Republicans firmly established themselves as a major political party. The name "Republican" was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party.

404 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:24:48pm

re: #400 sattv4u2

Sorry, but I had a thought, and it died of loneliness

And I can't afford any more substance!

No kidding. I'm already about 30 pounds over-substanced.

405 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:25:30pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

To make BUck and the rest of the wingnuts look extra stupid. GOP.com

Who we are

The GOP themselves clearly sees Lincoln as a key founding member and it's hard to argue with that. He was their first successful presidential nominee and the icon of the party arguably until Reagan.

406 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:26:02pm

re: #400 sattv4u2

Sorry, but I had a thought, and it died of loneliness

And I can't afford any more substance!

I just have to laugh when somebody is accused of 'parroting'...that's a hoot

407 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:26:09pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

To make BUck and the rest of the wingnuts look extra stupid. GOP.com

Who we are

D'oheth!

408 Atlas Fails  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:26:27pm

I love how teabaggers are now sticklers for semantic historical accuracy.

409 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:26:33pm

re: #404 BongCrodny

No kidding. I'm already about 30 pounds over-substanced.

I think getting caught with that much, you can't plead "personal use"

((or so i've heard)!

410 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:27:01pm

re: #406 albusteve

I just have to laugh when somebody is accused of 'parroting'...that's a hoot

dit
and
to

411 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:27:03pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

To make BUck and the rest of the wingnuts look extra stupid. GOP.com

Who we are

Abraham Lincoln

Abraham Lincoln helped establish the Republican Party with a speech denouncing an 1854 law, written by a Democrat Senator, that allowed slavery to expand into the western territories. Two years later, he co-founded the Illinois GOP. Lincoln was runner-up for the 1856 Republican vice presidential nomination and then became a Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate.

More than two years before becoming the first Republican president, Lincoln spoke for the ages: “The Republican Party, on the contrary [to the Democrats], holds that this government was instituted to secure the blessings of freedom, and that slavery is an unqualified evil... [Republicans] will oppose in all its length and breadth the modern Democratic idea that slavery is as good as freedom.”

©2011 Copyright Republican National Committee

412 darthstar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:27:20pm

re: #408 Atlas Fails

I love how teabaggers are now sticklers for semantic historical accuracy.

Only for today, and only for this one example which some liberal probably pointed out to them.

413 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:27:33pm

re: #408 Atlas Fails

I love how teabaggers are now sticklers for semantic historical accuracy.

History only matters when the black Democrat in the White House invokes it.

414 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:27:53pm

re: #411 Gus 802

Abraham Lincoln

Image: h99121_500.jpg

415 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:28:03pm

re: #408 Atlas Fails

I love how teabaggers are now sticklers for semantic historical accuracy.

True, they didn't say a thing when Bachmann tried to blame a tariff sponsord by two Republicans and signed by a Republican president on FDR but hey Obama may have misstated a little that Lincoln was the founder of the GOP, let's act like he and his staff are morons even though the GOP themselves see Lincoln as a founder of their party.

416 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:28:39pm

re: #414 Varek Raith

Image: h99121_500.jpg

Mayday! Mayday! May...

[static]

417 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:30:12pm

re: #401 goddamnedfrank

Did you ever find the part about "bells ringing" in Paul Revere's letter?

No he didn't, because it's a lie.

418 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:30:12pm

re: #404 BongCrodny

No kidding. I'm already about 30 pounds over-substanced.

that's a health risk...don't be like that

419 Kragar  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:32:12pm

Slavery is bad.
Lowering the minimum wage, union busting, and deregulation of industry is good.

So sayeth the GOP.

420 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:32:35pm

re: #381 BongCrodny

If you want to see something interesting, check out the electoral map from the 1952 and 1956 elections.

A sea of red everywhere -- except in the southeast.

Wikipedia - 1956 Election results

Those two elections had more to do with Ikes popularity (the 52 one, a hero of WW2,, the 56 one, 4 years of relative quiet and prosperity as well as the Dems recycling Stevenson/ Kefuafer) than anything substantially political

Ike lost the south both times because he wanted segregation and most southern dems (hello, Al Gore Sr.) were against it

421 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:33:20pm

The First Republican

With the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860, the Republicans firmly established themselves as a major party capable of holding onto the White House for 60 of the next 100 years.

© 2011 Republican National Committee

Close enough. Seriously. Wingnuts trying to take an academic route to this is laughable.

422 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:33:50pm

re: #417 Obdicut

No he didn't, because it's a lie.

That's harsh. I prefer the term Buckism, "the arrogant and ignorant assertion of rank ass dumbshttery as iron clad fact."

423 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:34:10pm

re: #418 albusteve

that's a health risk...don't be like that

I eat reasonably well and walk three or four miles a day. Some of it's the family curse, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't paying the price for a misspent youth.

424 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:35:15pm

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

That's harsh. I prefer the term Buckism, "the arrogant and ignorant assertion of rank ass dumbshttery as iron clad fact."

Oh, I'm not saying Buck lied on purpose. He heard a version of events that he preferred and didn't do any fact-checking on it whatsoever. I don't think he intentionally lies, really, he just assumes anything that agrees with him must be the truth.

425 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:35:26pm

re: #423 BongCrodny

I eat reasonably well and walk three or four miles a day. Some of it's the family curse, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't paying the price for a misspent youth.

I had a grandmother that did that

took us almost a month to find her !!!

/

426 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:35:37pm

Oh goody, a wall of text dead-thread DERP 9_9

427 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:36:39pm

re: #420 sattv4u2

Those two elections had more to do with Ikes popularity (the 52 one, a hero of WW2,, the 56 one, 4 years of relative quiet and prosperity as well as the Dems recycling Stevenson/ Kefuafer) than anything substantially political

Ike lost the south both times because he wanted segregation and most southern dems (hello, Al Gore Sr.) were against it

I'll certainly concede that Ike was a phenomenon, but even in the bookend elections of 1948 and 1960, Truman and Kennedy each won a significant chunk of the south.

428 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:36:57pm

re: #411 Gus 802

Abraham Lincoln

Socialist lies!

429 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:37:00pm

re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Slavery is bad.
Lowering the minimum wage, union busting, and deregulation of industry is good.

So sayeth the GOP.

Once upon a time, the GOP's motto was "Free Labor, Free Land, Free Men," with the first referring to the ending of slavery, while the second referred to the end of the plantation system, where the rich bought up hundreds of acres of land, then worked it with cheap slave labor, driving smaller farmers who relied upon their own kin or hired help out of business.

My, how far we've come, eh?

430 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:37:32pm

re: #426 publicityStunted

Oh goody, a wall of text dead-thread DERP 9_9

Someone's actually trying to spin Rick Perry's Galileo fail? ROFL.

431 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:37:43pm

re: #423 BongCrodny

re: #425 sattv4u2

I had a grandmother that did that

took us almost a month to find her !!!

/

heh

recalls an old joke

Want to get the Italians out of Boston? Plant dandelions along the railroad tracks!

(disclaimer,,, Nona was 100% Italian ,, and as a child I used to go with her to public places picking dandelions for her salads!)

432 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:38:14pm

re: #387 Buck

No Obama and his staff thought Abraham Lincoln was the founder of the Republican Party. They didn't think he was a Democrat.

You know like Sarah Palin thought Paul Revere “warned the British” during his famed 1775 ride...

Well, maybe you should direct your complaints to the GOP website.

433 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:38:22pm

re: #427 BongCrodny

I'll certainly concede that Ike was a phenomenon, but even in the bookend elections of 1948 and 1960, Truman and Kennedy each won a significant chunk of the south.

The trend here is each was before the Southern strategy. The GOP started doing better in the South the minute Nixon and his guys decided to do the Southern strategy. Goldwater in '64 played a role too.

434 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:38:52pm

re: #426 publicityStunted

Swatted.

435 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:39:53pm

re: #432 Killgore Trout

Well, maybe you should direct your complaints to the GOP website.

Can a Canadian do that!?!?!
/

436 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:43:01pm

Methinks the Confederate Republicans, ahem, bigots, don't want to think of Abraham Lincoln as a founder of the Republican party.

437 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:43:54pm

“We remain committed to finding a sustainable approach for safe, secure long-term disposal of used nuclear fuel and nuclear waste,” a spokesman said in a statement Friday afternoon. “That is why [Energy] Secretary [Steven] Chu appointed a Blue Ribbon Commission of highly respected experts and leaders from both parties to recommend a path forward that will work for the American people and fulfill our obligations. We look forward to the BRC completing its work.”

Yucca Mt....DOA...I can hardly wait to see what the next plan is, but I'll be dead by then....meanwhile we stash out nuke waste in parking lots...are we smart or what?

[Link: thehill.com...]

438 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:44:06pm

re: #436 Gus 802

Methinks the Confederate Republicans, ahem, bigots, don't want to think of Abraham Lincoln as a founder of the Republican party.

Of course not, why do you think you see many books and scholars badmouthing Lincoln at CPAC every year? I mean yeah Lincoln isn't the saint, but I'll have him as my leader over Jefferson Davis a thousand times and then once.

439 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:44:30pm

If I ever moved to Canada, I'd move to Fort Smith, because then I could say I lived in the southeast Northwest Territories.

440 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:44:43pm

re: #394 sattv4u2

I am only a Canadian

And don't you forget it, ya hoser, eh!!
/

Hay, dude, watch wheat yer sayin' eh.

441 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:46:00pm

re: #439 BongCrodny

If I ever moved to Canada, I'd move to Fort Smith, because then I could say I lived in the southeast Northwest Territories.

I'd rather eat lint....move outa the country because you don't like some political party?...do it then

442 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:46:11pm

re: #401 goddamnedfrank

Did you ever find the part about "bells ringing" in Paul Revere's letter?

The bells were on his tassels.

443 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:46:37pm

re: #440 b_sharp

Hay, dude, watch wheat yer sayin' eh.

((I know the "eh" is a regional thing,,, but,,, what the eh!!!)

444 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:47:09pm

re: #406 albusteve

I just have to laugh when somebody is accused of 'parroting'...that's a hoot

Owls hoot, parrots parrot.

445 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:47:25pm

re: #439 BongCrodny

If I ever moved to Canada, I'd move to Fort Smith, because then I could say I lived in the southeast Northwest Territories.

Make sure you buy a house in the EXACT CENTER of town!

446 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:47:43pm

re: #444 b_sharp

Owls hoot, parrots parrot.

And both taste like chicken

447 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:47:47pm

re: #436 Gus 802

Methinks the Confederate Republicans, ahem, bigots, don't want to think of Abraham Lincoln as a founder of the Republican party.

They play up his part as a Republican when it suits them, such as trying to play the "We're Not Racists, REALLY!" card. The rest of the time, they prefer to stick to other GOP greats, namely Roosevelt and Reagan. They worship Eisenhower the general, but think Ike the president was too mushy for their tastes. Nixon is generally lambasted, not just for Vietnam, but also because he was a "damned liberal" when it came to matters like the EPA. Ford's generally forgotten, the Nixon Admin's left-overs. And Bush Sr. earned a special place in GOP Hell for daring to raise taxes, even if it was to pay down deficits that Ron racked up in his two terms.

448 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:47:53pm

Abraham Lincoln put the Grand Old Party on the map. Give it up wingnuts. Abraham Lincoln was indeed a founder of the GOP. The RNC even says as much.

449 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:48:09pm

re: #410 sattv4u2

dit
and
to

You parrot.

450 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:48:28pm

re: #399 Atlas Fails

Ah, this is what I get for trying to bounce between three different sites at once. I do enjoy your attempts to play magical balance fairy, though. Hey, Palin might be a barking-at-cars moron who makes a fool of herself at every turn and thought Paul Revere rang them bells and warned the British, but Obama said 57 states and called Lincoln the founder of the GOP, when he was really just its key early figure. Teabaggers aren't the only stupids!!!

But Palin's the only one who declared her version The Truth... and a horde of editors arose at once to make it so.

451 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:48:33pm

re: #448 Gus 802

Abraham Lincoln put the Grand Old Party on the map. Give it up wingnuts. Abraham Lincoln was indeed a founder of the GOP. The RNC even says as much.

READY!
FIRE!
WTF IS 'AIM'?!?!
FIRE!

452 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:48:47pm

re: #449 b_sharp

You parrot.

Stop squaking

453 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:49:06pm

re: #447 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They play up his part as a Republican when it suits them, such as trying to play the "We're Not Racists, REALLY!" card. The rest of the time, they prefer to stick to other GOP greats, namely Roosevelt and Reagan. They worship Eisenhower the general, but think Ike the president was too mushy for their tastes. Nixon is generally lambasted, not just for Vietnam, but also because he was a "damned liberal" when it came to matters like the EPA. Ford's generally forgotten, the Nixon Admin's left-overs. And Bush Sr. earned a special place in GOP Hell for daring to raise taxes, even if it was to pay down deficits that Ron racked up in his two terms.

Do they really embrace TR anymore? I mean in the past, sure but now?

454 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:50:16pm

re: #448 Gus 802

Abraham Lincoln put the Grand Old Party on the map. Give it up wingnuts. Abraham Lincoln was indeed a founder of the GOP. The RNC even says as much.

NEVER! Damned dictator, he shredded the Constitution and killed America as it should have been! The Founders were rolling over in their graves every hour he was in office! The Confederacy was the true America and we'll forever remember that, we true Sons of the South!!!!!!111

455 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:50:34pm

I give this Lincoln/GOP argument a 9.5 for stupidity

456 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:50:51pm

re: #447 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Roosevelt was a trustbuster and an environmentalist. They don't like him.

He also, contrary to public belief, wasn't a warmonger.

457 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:51:08pm

re: #454 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

PURPLE!
heads up!

458 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:51:20pm

re: #455 albusteve

I give this Lincoln/GOP argument a 9.5 for stupidity

...

Earth first!
John Kerry!
Igloo White!

That better?

//

459 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:51:21pm

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Do they really embrace TR anymore? I mean in the past, sure but now?

He was invoked by Caribou Barbie at her last rally, and I've heard him mentioned more than once. But again, it's like with Eisenhower: They love him for his hard-charging and "rugged individual" appearance, but could have done without the trust-busting and the regulatory work.

460 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:51:43pm

re: #413 Lidane

History only matters when the black Democrat in the White House invokes it.

Or, black anyone, anywhere. Lol they can't stand it. /Schadenfreude

461 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:51:44pm

re: #415 HappyWarrior

True, they didn't say a thing when Bachmann tried to blame a tariff sponsord by two Republicans and signed by a Republican president on FDR but hey Obama may have misstated a little that Lincoln was the founder of the GOP, let's act like he and his staff are morons even though the GOP themselves see Lincoln as a founder of their party.

It isn't just the little gaffes Palin makes that leads people to believe she's an idiot. It's pretty much everything she says when she isn't scripted.

Her abdicating the Alaska Governor throne speech was a doozy.

462 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:52:16pm

re: #459 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He was invoked by Caribou Barbie at her last rally, and I've heard him mentioned more than once. But again, it's like with Eisenhower: They love him for his hard-charging and "rugged individual" appearance, but could have done without the trust-busting and the regulatory work.

Yeah I guess there is that. He's not GOP really but Beck as we know despises TR.

463 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:52:21pm

re: #456 Obdicut

Roosevelt was a trustbuster and an environmentalist. They don't like him.

He also, contrary to public belief, wasn't a warmonger.

he was a supporter of the eugenics theory....a true hero in his time...
you go Teddy!

464 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:54:03pm

Saint Ronald, as well.

re: #433 HappyWarrior

The trend here is each was before the Southern strategy. The GOP started doing better in the South the minute Nixon and his guys decided to do the Southern strategy. Goldwater in '64 played a role too.

465 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:54:57pm

re: #462 HappyWarrior

Yeah I guess there is that. He's not GOP really but Beck as we know despises TR.

he was a devoted big game hunter...I despise him for that

466 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:55:06pm

re: #464 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Saint Ronald, as well.

Of course, seeds were planted when Nixon decided it would be a good idea to get support from Strom Thurmond though.

467 Lidane  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:55:59pm

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Do they really embrace TR anymore? I mean in the past, sure but now?

Pfft. They don't even embrace Nixon anymore.

468 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:56:11pm

re: #462 HappyWarrior

Yeah I guess there is that. He's not GOP really but Beck as we know despises TR.

Really, if you read between the lines, the only past Republican that the Right respects these days is Ronald Reagan. Or rather, they respect the myth, because the man did everything that they utterly despise. He raised taxes and the debt ceiling repeatedly, he saw one of the biggest growths of the government in modern history, he supported amnesty for illegals, and he supported Social Security.

469 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:57:06pm

Purple is not allowed!!

Stop that this instant!

re: #454 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

470 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:57:42pm

re: #456 Obdicut

Roosevelt was a trustbuster and an environmentalist. They don't like him.

He also, contrary to public belief, wasn't a warmonger.

Correct. The current darling of the wingnut wing of the GOP is Calvin Coolidge.

471 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:58:43pm

re: #469 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Purple is not allowed!!

Stop that this instant!

What, it's not? But it looks so fabulous!

//

472 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:58:50pm

re: #465 albusteve

he was a devoted big game hunter...I despise him for that

What about his presidency? Quite possible to dislike a guy personally but like his presidency and vice versa. Take Wilson, there's some of his presidency that I really like but the man is probably IMO one of the least likable guys to be in office.

473 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:59:47pm

Was also a union boss.

re: #468 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Really, if you read between the lines, the only past Republican that the Right respects these days is Ronald Reagan. Or rather, they respect the myth, because the man did everything that they utterly despise. He raised taxes and the debt ceiling repeatedly, he saw one of the biggest growths of the government in modern history, he supported amnesty for illegals, and he supported Social Security.

474 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:00:04pm

re: #472 HappyWarrior

What about his presidency? Quite possible to dislike a guy personally but like his presidency and vice versa. Take Wilson, there's some of his presidency that I really like but the man is probably IMO one of the least likable guys to be in office.

not around here...you can hate people for any conceivable reason...make one up if you want

475 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:01:52pm

re: #474 albusteve

not around here...you can hate people for any conceivable reason...make one up if you want

I hate you because your screename begins with "A" meaning you're one of the 1st on the Show Users List!

476 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:02:53pm

And on that note

The Making Of The Dinner beckons!

477 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:03:32pm

re: #475 sattv4u2

I hate you because your screename begins with "A" meaning you're one of the 1st on the Show Users List!

I simplify it...I hate everybody...past, present and future, A thru Z

478 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:04:02pm

re: #434 Obdicut

Swatted.

Double swatted.

479 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:05:37pm

Seriously. After all of the stupid shit that GWB said? Give me a break.

480 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:06:10pm

re: #443 sattv4u2

((I know the "eh" is a regional thing,,, but,,, what the eh!!!)

The dialects of the maritime provinces use 'eh' sometimes. The western provinces not so much.

481 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:06:37pm

That is why it's not allowed!!

re: #471 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What, it's not? But it looks so fabulous!

//

482 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:07:12pm

re: #452 sattv4u2

Stop squaking

I never squak. My wife doesn't like it.

483 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:08:49pm

re: #463 albusteve

he was a supporter of the eugenics theory...a true hero in his time...
you go Teddy!

Which theory?

484 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:10:01pm

...I am a Lincoln/Kemp Republican. It’s 150 years ago in Chicago this year that Abraham Lincoln, the founder of the Republican Party, accepted the Republican nomination for President of the United States... -- Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN)

485 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:11:19pm

re: #484 Gus 802

...I am a Lincoln/Kemp Republican. It’s 150 years ago in Chicago this year that Abraham Lincoln, the founder of the Republican Party, accepted the Republican nomination for President of the United States... -- Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN)

Heh, tis a joy how they contradict themselves so blatantly.

486 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:11:44pm

re: #483 b_sharp

Which theory?

Galton's

487 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:12:14pm

re: #485 HappyWarrior

Heh, tis a joy how they contradict themselves so blatantly.

Yep. And Mike Pence was and is a Tea Party darling. They were wishing he would run for president last year. Ha!

Checkmate wingnuts.

488 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:12:58pm

re: #485 HappyWarrior

Heh, tis a joy how they contradict themselves so blatantly.

shocking...
I'm stunned

489 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:12:59pm

re: #487 Gus 802

Yep. And Mike Pence was and is a Tea Party darling. They were wishing he would run for president last year. Ha!

Checkmate wingnuts.

Yeah I've heard of him. Quite the nut.

490 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:14:20pm

re: #487 Gus 802

These angles of attack are just pathetic. It's like watching a guy too fat to see below his belt try to kick a football.

491 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:16:09pm

I have Ayinger beer, Hatch chiles, and stuff that would theoretically taste good stuffed into Hatch chiles. I'm gonna go experiment in the kitchen.

And maybe watch Thundercats and Doctor Who while doing so.

BBL(?)

492 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:16:24pm

...Immigration was a core belief of a founder of the Republican party, Abraham Lincoln... Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani (R) "America's Mayor"

493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:20:18pm

re: #477 albusteve

I simplify it...I hate everybody...past, present and future, A thru Z

How come?

494 b_Snark  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:24:26pm

re: #493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How come?

He's an equal opportunity hater.

(insert roll eyes here)

495 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:26:57pm

re: #493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How come?

it's fashionable...the new pink and I'm desperate to fit in

496 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:27:29pm

re: #459 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He was invoked by Caribou Barbie at her last rally, and I've heard him mentioned more than once. But again, it's like with Eisenhower: They love him for his hard-charging and "rugged individual" appearance, but could have done without the trust-busting and the regulatory work.

i'm certain that 99% of baggers haven't the faintest clue that tr ever did any of those radical things which were the foundation of his great progressive presidency

he's some guy with a mustache who was very warlike, like any good republican, and said "bully" a lot for no apparent reason

497 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:28:34pm

re: #495 albusteve

it's fashionable...the new pink and I'm desperate to fit in

I see.

498 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:32:19pm

re: #496 engineer dog

i'm certain that 99% of baggers haven't the faintest clue that tr ever did any of those radical things which were the foundation of his great progressive presidency

he's some guy with a mustache who was very warlike, like any good republican, and said "bully" a lot for no apparent reason

He's one of my heroes for being the first American conservationist and founder of the US Fish & Wildlife Service. He set aside the first public lands to be protected.

499 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:33:59pm

so, who are the great republican presidents that modern day republicans hearken back that belong to the days before ronald reagan bestrode the earth and defeated the soviet union singlehandedly with his mighty Very Expensive Military Spending?

surely not nixon or the suspiciously liberal eisenhower. not poor discredited hoover or forgotten coolidge, who should be better remembered for his dry sense of humor, nor the hapless harding

and not TR, since on any close inspection it turns out he talked about "malefactors of great wealth" and once ran for president on the - gasp!!! - Progressive ticket

no, you have to go back to mckinley! yes, mckinley and the full dinner pail! vote for mckinley and sound money! and if you look into it closely, you can see that, indeed, the republican party would very much like to revert the social compact of the united states of american to exactly what it was in 1896. exactly!

500 albusteve  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:34:05pm

re: #498 allegro

He's one of my heroes for being the first American conservationist and founder of the US Fish & Wildlife Service. He set aside the first public lands to be protected.

I thought Grant did that with Yellowstone?...no?

501 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:36:13pm

re: #499 engineer dog

you can see that, indeed, the republican party would very much like to revert the social compact of the united states of american to exactly what it was in 1896. exactly!

That, they do.

502 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:37:41pm

i heard a conservative rank and file guy once say that "the 'party of lincoln' was a liberal party!". i don't think he was in favor of it...

and i had that remark in mind when i heard bob dole say at his acceptance speech at the republican national convention in 1996 "...and tonight the republican party is the party of lincoln, and if anybody here doesn't like it, the exits are clearly marked"

i believe i saw some shocked faces in the crowd...

503 Gus  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:39:05pm

re: #502 engineer dog

i heard a conservative rank and file guy once say that "the 'party of lincoln' was a liberal party!". i don't think he was in favor of it...

and i had that remark in mind when i heard bob dole say at his acceptance speech at the republican national convention in 1996 "...and tonight the republican party is the party of lincoln, and if anybody here doesn't like it, the exits are clearly marked"

i believe i saw some shocked faces in the crowd...

I'm Bob Dole damn it!

504 allegro  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:40:13pm

re: #500 albusteve

I thought Grant did that with Yellowstone?...no?

You are correct. I stand sit corrected.

505 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:41:34pm

re: #383 Atlas Fails

Because no president has ever complimented a previous office holder of a different party, especially one hundred and fucking fifty years later, when the political landscape is totally unrecognizable.

Lol how sad, that to get Blacks to vote for them Republicans have to dig back 150 years to have something to brag about. /rotfl

506 SteelGHAZI  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:09:05pm

re: #503 Gus 802

Bob Dole is Bob Dole damn it!

FTFY. Third person is required!

507 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 4:12:42pm

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Oh for fucks sake Boykin shut the fuck up. Seriously I am so sick of Christians acting like they're persecuted when people like Boykin and his allies want to persecute people for being either Muslim, gay, atheist, whatever.

Why won't you won't let me persecute you anymore! That's NOT FAIR!!! !!!

508 docproto48  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 5:45:15pm

re: #1 makeitstop

If the 'angry black man' meme is all they've got, you know that speech left a bruise.

If you understand the vernacular of these fools that becomes a redundant statement since they consider all black men to be angry thugs.
As a professional white man with a black wife I have had a front row seat to racism for many years. Angry stares in public places, I mean KILL stares. In the south I have found I am regarded as a "traitor to my race" and seen in worse regard than my wife although she is considered to be a gold digger. (Little do they know, she makes more money than me). It has never caused me to loose a job although we once had to take the family photos down to sell a house, no one would make an offer till they came down. And suddenly multiple offers! It doesn't bother me as I expected it before we married but I do get angry when I see other people on the receiving end and even more so when it is our president.

to quote my father "there is only one race, THE HUMAN RACE"
to quote Einstein "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds"

509 labman57  Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:45:51pm

Tea party response to Obama's job creation plan -- if Obama's jobs bill succeeds, then the terrorists have won!


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