Whatever Happened to Global Warming? (A: Right Wing Anti-Science Bad Craziness)

Time’s running out, and the GOP is more entrenched in denial than ever

EnvironmentOctober 2011 • Views: 27,977

An overwhelming majority of the world’s environmental scientists are sounding an increasingly desperate alarm about the impending consequences of global warming, but one of the two major US political parties has decided to loudly ignore reality: Whatever Happened to Global Warming?

IN 2008, both the Democratic and Republican candidates for president, Barack Obama and John McCain, warned about man-made global warming and supported legislation to curb emissions. After he was elected, President Obama promised “a new chapter in America’s leadership on climate change,” and arrived cavalry-like at the 2009 United Nations Climate Conference in Copenhagen to broker a global pact.

But two years later, now that nearly every other nation accepts climate change as a pressing problem, America has turned agnostic on the issue.

In the crowded Republican presidential field, most seem to agree with Gov. Rick Perry of Texas that “the science is not settled” on man-made global warming, as he said in a debate last month. Alone among Republicans onstage that night, Jon M. Huntsman Jr. said that he trusted scientists’ view that the problem was real. At the moment, he has the backing of about 2 percent of likely Republican voters.

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129 comments

Iwouldprefernotto Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:48:49pm

We need more study (cash donations from oil and gas companies).

windsagio Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:50:28pm

If its not in the news constantly it was debunked.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:50:56pm

INTERRUPTION

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I appreciate any input.

Thank You

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Atlas Fails Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:53:30pm

Most people are more concerned with short-term issues like the economy; this could turn out very badly for future generations.

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:54:03pm

And Huntsman still doesn't want to actually really do much about it, either.

HappyWarrior Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:55:23pm

re: #5 Obdicut

And Huntsman still doesn't want to actually really do much about it, either.

Yeah he panders to the anti EPA nuts.

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:58:16pm

re: #4 Atlas Fails

Most people are more concerned with short-term issues like the economy; this could turn out very badly for future generations.

The Public Trusts The EPA, Not Congress Or Polluter Propaganda

Even among Republicans, who receive the most intense anti-EPA propaganda through Fox News and other conservative media outlets, the agency’s decisions to strengthen rules that limit pollution remain popular, a new poll has found. According to a national survey of 1,400 voters conducted by Hart Research Associates and GS Strategy Group and sponsored by Ceres, the EPA’s proposed Cross State Air Pollution Rule (CSAPR) and the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards Rule are popular both on general principle and on their specifics:

People are still concerned, but for some reason, the GOP keeps deciding what we really need to be concerned about is depriving rights to Americans and making sure the wealthy can continue to exploit the rest of the US.

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:58:36pm

The ironic, sad, deeply depressing part is that a huge national push, at the federal, state, and local levels, for alternative energy and sustainable industry would be exactly the shot in the arm our economy needs.

Of course, we'd have to borrow money and raise taxes to pay for it, so it can't possibly happen because SOCIALISM.

goddamnedfrank Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:59:31pm

re: #5 Obdicut

And Huntsman still doesn't want to actually really do much about it, either.

What Huntsman's America looks like:

Youtube Video

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:59:36pm

re: #8 Obdicut

SOLYNDRAAAA!

Four More Tears Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:00:42pm

Yay! Walking Dead!

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:01:01pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Of course, we'd have to borrow money and raise taxes to pay for it, so it can't possibly happen because SOCIALISM.

OOGA BOOGA!

/It depresses me, because that's exactly what the Republicans are trying to do with statements like yours - make Americans scared of the very idea.

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:01:38pm

re: #9 goddamnedfrank

A little abstract.

Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:02:10pm

re: #13 Obdicut

A little abstract.

You called?

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:02:48pm

And, of course, Perry came out today with his "energy policy" proposal. The bulk of it? Kill the EPA, tie Congress' hands when it comes to combating carbon emissions, and let the fossil fuel industries run buck wild. After all, 1.5 million jobs is worth nailing humanity's coffin shut. *rolls eyes*

jaunte Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:02:57pm

In the United States, the right wing of the Republican Party has managed to turn skepticism about man-made global warming into a requirement for electability, forming an unlikely triad with antiabortion and gun-rights beliefs. In findings from a Pew poll this spring, 75 percent of staunch conservatives, 63 percent of libertarians and 55 percent of Main Street Republicans said there was no solid evidence of global warming.

Depressing.

garhighway Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:02:58pm

Evening, all.

This is just one of the GOP's counterfactual Greatest Hits. For my money, the top five are:

1. AGW isn"t real.
2. Evolution is "just a theory".
3. Birth control = abortion.
4. The problem with the economy is that the rich aren't rich enough, so we needn't concern ourselves with the demand side of things.
5. We are experiencing a voter fraud epidemic.

And this isn't the extremes. Pretty much each GOP Presidential candidate has, at one time or another, signed on to all of these.

garhighway Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:04:29pm

re: #17 garhighway

At least they got over "death panels" and "the President is a Kenyan".

I suppose that's progress.

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:06:56pm

re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And, of course, Perry came out today with his "energy policy" proposal. The bulk of it? Kill the EPA, tie Congress' hands when it comes to combating carbon emissions, and let the fossil fuel industries run buck wild. After all, 1.5 million jobs is worth nailing humanity's coffin shut. *rolls eyes*

Yet for some reason, Perry's message of "THE EPA IS THE DEVIL" combined with "Stop making fun of me for pandering to the lunatic fringe" doesn't seem to be helping him in the polls.

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:09:13pm

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yet for some reason, Perry's message of "THE EPA IS THE DEVIL" combined with "Stop making fun of me for pandering to the lunatic fringe" doesn't seem to be helping him in the polls.

Perhaps the latest whine from wifey, namely "My son lost his job because of Obama!," ignoring that he voluntarily quit his job to raise money for his dad's campaign because the SEC tends to frown on a banker also taking a paycheck from a presidential candidate's campaign.

goddamnedfrank Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:10:28pm

re: #13 Obdicut

A little abstract.

Fair enough. Huntsman sees an easily preventable disease caused largely by unnecessary, unchecked consumption, and advocates doing nothing to address the root cause. As far as the TPGOP goes the electric scooter line is just bonus.

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:12:14pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

Ah. Thank you for holding my hand and walking me through that.

You can let go now.

simoom Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:12:36pm

Ugg... Some antisocial jackass hacked the hugely popular Sesame Street YouTube channel and replaced all the content with porn:
[Link: gizmodo.com...]

Sesame Street's YouTube was hacked earlier today by people who replaced Muppet clips with graphic porn. It apparently took Google more than 20 minutes to react to the hack, which means porn was floating around on the iconic children's TV show channel.

PBS and Google haven't said anything but according to CNN, a message posted on the Sesame Street YouTube account "claimed responsibility in the names of two other YouTube users". One of those users who supposedly "claimed responsibility", however, has denied any wrongdoing.

Currently the channel displays only the following message:
"This channel is no longer available because the user closed their account."

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:12:43pm

re: #18 garhighway

At least they got over "death panels" and "the President is a Kenyan".

I suppose that's progress.

I doubt they got over it, they're just keeping it on the down low for an October surprise.

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:13:40pm

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Perhaps the latest whine from wifey, namely "My son lost his job because of Obama!," ignoring that he voluntarily quit his job to raise money for his dad's campaign because the SEC tends to frown on a banker also taking a paycheck from a presidential candidate's campaign.

No mention that his son's wife is also an attorney, still bringing in a paycheck.

Oh, the struggle of being unemployed.

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:15:20pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No mention that his son's wife is also an attorney, still bringing in a paycheck.

Oh, the struggle of being unemployed.

Yeah, said whine being a response to a question from a guy who used to make $100,000/yr and now is working $12/hr as a handyman. I'm reminded of Mitt Romney chuckling that he knew what it was like to be unemployed, because he's not governor anymore.

It really is something, the party that screams "class warfare!" has no class to begin with.

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:17:35pm

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, said whine being a response to a question from a guy who used to make $100,000/yr and now is working $12/hr as a handyman. I'm reminded of Mitt Romney chuckling that he knew what it was like to be unemployed, because he's not governor anymore.

It really is something, the party that screams "class warfare!" has no class to begin with.

Leader of Senate: All fellow members of the Roman senate hear me. Shall we continue to build palace after palace for the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose and build decent housing for the poor? How does the senate vote?

Entire Senate: FUCK THE POOR!

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:21:23pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I really hope the combo of them being perfectly willing to raise taxes on the middle and lower class, and the fact that they're obviously willing to let companies dump whatever they want, wherever, might actually spur some 'mainstream' conservatives to say "Enough already".

They may be able to convince them that AGW isn't happening, but that doesn't mean that they're going to be okay with new coal plants opening up next door or the dumping of Perry's buddies industrial waste in their back yards.

goddamnedfrank Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:22:13pm

Herman Cain was against a national sales tax before he was for it:

The worst idea is a proposed national sales tax, which is a disguised VAT (value added tax) on top of everything we already pay in federal taxes.

Here are three of the biggest reasons the national retail sales tax is the worst idea on the table.

First, we have a spending problem in Washington, D.C. not a revenue problem. The Commission claims their goal is to reduce the deficits by $4 trillion over the next decade. The task force says its plan would save $6 trillion by 2020. It’s sort of like dueling promises that would never happen, because when has a proposed cut in Washington D.C. ever produced the intended savings over 10 years? Never!

Even worse is reason number two: In every country that has established a VAT with the promise of reducing their national debt, the VAT has eventually gone up or expanded on top of the existing tax structure. After discovering many of the tax grenades in the recently passed health care deform bill, which is already driving costs up and access down, it would be real easy for an overzealous bureaucrat to insert the language in the legislation “national retail and wholesale” tax.

...

The third reason the national retail sales tax on top of all the taxes we already pay is a bad idea, is that there is already proposed legislation that replaces all of the federal taxes we pay. It replaces all current revenue. It supercharges our national economic growth, and puts the power of taxation back into the hands of the people who spend their money.

It’s called the Fair Tax.

windsagio Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:22:55pm

re: #28 Obdicut

The big problem is the Joe the Plumber types.

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:23:19pm

re: #28 Obdicut

I really hope the combo of them being perfectly willing to raise taxes on the middle and lower class, and the fact that they're obviously willing to let companies dump whatever they want, wherever, might actually spur some 'mainstream' conservatives to say "Enough already".

They may be able to convince them that AGW isn't happening, but that doesn't mean that they're going to be okay with new coal plants opening up next door or the dumping of Perry's buddies industrial waste in their back yards.

That old Roman tradition of complete seizure of property and banishment sounds pretty good some days.

.5 /

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:23:31pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

Wow, he really called it a 'health care deform bill'? Hyuck-yuck.

No wonder he's popular with the wingnuts. His humor level is right square with theirs.

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:27:27pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

Herman Cain was against a national sales tax before he was for it:

There's a reason the "Fair Tax" has never gained any traction, and why "999" is getting a sound beating from practically everyone: It isn't "fair." You end up digging even deeper into the pockets of the poor while the rich enjoy an even bigger tax holiday. What they can't avoid, they simply pass on to customers, i.e. the poor schmucks who are paying sales tax on goods whose prices have skyrocketed. And, unlike the fantasy Cain likes to engage in, companies are not going to take the money they're not paying in taxes and pass it on to employees or customers.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:29:08pm

Wrong!!

Everybody is coming for MY STUFF!!!

Tell me I'm wrong and I'll tell you that's CLASS WARFARE!

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, said whine being a response to a question from a guy who used to make $100,000/yr and now is working $12/hr as a handyman. I'm reminded of Mitt Romney chuckling that he knew what it was like to be unemployed, because he's not governor anymore.

It really is something, the party that screams "class warfare!" has no class to begin with.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:30:31pm

If you don't laugh, you just don't have a sense of humor. ///

re: #32 Obdicut

Wow, he really called it a 'health care deform bill'? Hyuck-yuck.

No wonder he's popular with the wingnuts. His humor level is right square with theirs.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:32:19pm

My father is adapting to Facebook.

This is why he just left a long, detailed comment about Soviet military technology that was supposed to go under MY link from Cracked, under the status of a family friend who was contemplating changing her brownie recipe.

I was wondering why the one on my link began "THIS is the right post!"

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:32:55pm

as an antidote to poisonous GOP stupidity, here's some hippy dips who I just adore.

Youtube Video

And for the science, herping (rather than derping) with Dylan.

Youtube Video

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:34:57pm

re: #17 garhighway

This is just one of the GOP's counterfactual Greatest Hits. For my money, the top five are:

One of my favorites is that McCain lost in 2008 because he wasn't "conservative enough".

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:36:21pm

Days I begin to find myself slowly becoming burnt out on politics. I've voted in every election since I turned 18, yet when I saw signs for the local elections earlier today, I started debating with myself whether I should just skip out on voting this year.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:36:22pm

re: #37 Obdicut

Oh, the first one is good stuff.

SidewaysQuark Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:37:06pm

re: #17 garhighway

Evening, all.

This is just one of the GOP's counterfactual Greatest Hits. For my money, the top five are:

1. AGW isn"t real.
2. Evolution is "just a theory".
3. Birth control = abortion.
4. The problem with the economy is that the rich aren't rich enough, so we needn't concern ourselves with the demand side of things.
5. We are experiencing a voter fraud epidemic.

And this isn't the extremes. Pretty much each GOP Presidential candidate has, at one time or another, signed on to all of these.

you forgot:

Jesus can cure "teh gay"

garhighway Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:37:40pm

Wildly off topic: Has anyone here ever been to Morocco? Is it safe for Americans?

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:38:07pm

re: #40 Sergey Romanov

Yep. It's my favorite of their songs. They are all-around trippy. If you ever get a chance to see them live, do it. It's like the 60s, not that I'd know, but it's like my idea of what the 60s were like.

garhighway Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:38:55pm

re: #41 SidewaysQuark

you forgot:

Jesus can cure "teh gay"

I'm thinking we can get to a Top Ten list without a problem.

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:39:55pm

re: #41 SidewaysQuark

you forgot:

Jesus can cure "teh gay"

Obama's long form nirth certifikit is a fake.

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:40:29pm

re: #45 thedopefishlives

Obama's long form nirth certifikit is a fake.

Barney Frank caused the Great Recession.

garhighway Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:41:50pm

re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Barney Frank caused the Great Recession.

Yes: I forgot about the whole "Barney Frank/CRA made Countrywide loan to poor people" thing. That's a beaut.

labman57 Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:44:41pm

The conservative Republican's mind is a scary place. Exhibit A -- their "sh*t happens" rationalization regarding global warming and climate change trends:

"Global warming is a fallacy. My evidence? It snowed today in Buffalo.
Of course, if it is real, it has nothing to do with carbon-based gas emissions. My 4th grade science teacher told me so.

But then, if carbon gases are responsible, it has nothing to do with human activity -- it's totally natural, like plastic.

However, if it turns out that global climate change is the result of manmade carbon-based gas emissions, well, it's God's will. Therefore, only He can do anything about it."

The climate change denial mindset is an outcome of a larger phenomenon that has become a fundamental component of conservative ideology lately -- anti-intellectualism.

Fundamentally, climate change deniers refuse to accept the conclusions of the vast amounts of data gathered over many years by thousands of climatologists representing dozens of academic institutions, government agencies, and private sector interests from many nations -- data suggesting a causal relationship between global warming and manmade activities. Their reasons for denial are purely of a political nature, but since they don't accept the conclusions, they must also deny the veracity of the data for no other reason than it conflicts with their denials.

In other words, climate change denial is a conclusion in search of a rationalization.

Mr Pancakes Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:45:04pm

re: #37 Obdicut

as an antidote to poisonous GOP stupidity, here's some hippy dips who I just adore.

[Video]

Man.... I knew I heard that before....... I'm a big NFL Football fan.

[Link: www.hearya.com...]

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:46:55pm

re: #49 Mr Pancakes

That's almost as funny as Iggy Pop's heroin ballad being used for that bank.

I mean, Sharpe routinely announces how many mushrooms he's on before starting a gig.

Well, actually, that kind of fits; plenty of pharmaceuticals at work in the NFL, too.

Obdicut Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:47:36pm

Alright. Time to watch something with my finally-done-with-studying-for-the-night wife.

FQ Kafir Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:50:38pm

Whatever happened to global warming? Nothing. It was never there in the first place. The climate of the world is always changing. There is nothing alarming about nature.

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:52:10pm

re: #52 FQ Kafir

Whatever happened to global warming? Nothing. It was never there in the first place. The climate of the world is always changing. There is nothing alarming about nature.

South Pacific islands running out of water

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:53:02pm

re: #52 FQ Kafir

Whatever happened to global warming? Nothing. It was never there in the first place. The climate of the world is always changing. There is nothing alarming about nature.

Ah, OK. The scientists are lying then. I'll sleep well.

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:53:10pm

re: #48 labman57

I've seen the variation of "God's Will" a couple times before, namely "Humans simply can't have that sort of effect on nature, we're too few/too small to damage things that much. If the Earth is heating up, then it must be God's will that it does so!"

One of the hallmarks of the modern conservative movement seems to be a believe in some "unknowable" force, whether it be "God" or the "Free Market." It's always some force that man has no control over, but cannot go against, for fear of incurring its wrath. And if folks get screwed over, then it's talk about "moving in mysterious ways."

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:53:19pm

re: #42 garhighway

Wildly off topic: Has anyone here ever been to Morocco? Is it safe for Americans?

A friend of mine is there right now, and she seems OK. There's no warning from the State Department or anything.

Achilles Tang Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:53:38pm

Somalia here we come. No regulations, no laws except for women, or sex stuff, no religion except the one with the biggest guns or cash, and let the Chinese deal with complicated science stuff.

Notice I'm pissed?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:53:57pm

re: #52 FQ Kafir

You know, there is a waterpark north of us that has a charming animatronic display of singing animals and children about how nature is nothing to be afraid of.

Except for the poisonous animals, insects, and plants.

And the carnivores.

And exposure.

And water in large amounts, which is not always your friend.

And the fact you can fall to your death, or just plain get lost and die looking for food.

Yes...nature that is actually an animatronic display in a comfortable family resort with food and indoor heating is nothing to fear. Real nature is actually capable of killing you.

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:53:58pm

re: #52 FQ Kafir

Whatever happened to global warming? Nothing. It was never there in the first place. The climate of the world is always changing. There is nothing alarming about nature.

Oooh, ooh, do the "cycles" bit next. That one never gets old!

///*rolls eyes*

FQ Kafir Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:55:15pm

re: #59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both WorldsYou know why it never gets old? Because it cycles!

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:55:40pm

re: #52 FQ Kafir

There is nothing alarming about nature.

Have you MET nature???!!!

Achilles Tang Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:55:53pm

re: #42 garhighway

Wildly off topic: Has anyone here ever been to Morocco? Is it safe for Americans?

Now? Depends on how much hash you consume I suppose. Tourism is still valued for cash.

FQ Kafir Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:57:21pm

We are here at nature's whim. We have adapted to it. We will continue to do so.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:57:59pm

re: #63 FQ Kafir

We are here at nature's whim. We have adapted to it. We will continue to do so.

Like the dinosaurs!

Henchman 25 Sun, Oct 16, 2011 6:57:59pm

re: #52 FQ Kafir

Whatever happened to global warming? Nothing. It was never there in the first place. The climate of the world is always changing. There is nothing alarming about nature.

I present to thee:

Youtube Video

[deleted] Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:01:14pm

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:01:24pm

re: #63 FQ Kafir

We are here at nature's whim. We have adapted to it. We will continue to do so.

And if a few billion die, well that's just nature's way of saying "You are the weakest link!"

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:02:50pm

re: #66 FQ Kafir

First thing I see there? "Al Gore". I don't need a site about Al Gore. Also, I have a few sites about how evolution is wrong, are you interested?

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:03:21pm

I love/loathe Tom Brady.

garhighway Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:03:27pm

re: #62 Naso Tang

Now? Depends on how much hash you consume I suppose. Tourism is still valued for cash.

Assume a moderate level of hash consumption.

[deleted] Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:03:42pm

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:04:29pm

What a boring, prolonged flounce.

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:05:04pm

I've never actually seen a climate change denier in person. I'm almost afraid that if I move too fast, I'll scare it into fleeing.

[deleted] Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:05:19pm

Charles Johnson Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:06:06pm

re: #66 FQ Kafir

You know what? Just go away.

Achilles Tang Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:06:17pm

re: #70 garhighway

Assume a moderate level of hash consumption.

moderate is in the eye of the memory.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:06:37pm

re: #74 FQ Kafir

Evolution I have no problem with. It's unproven science which has decades left to go that I have a healthy skepticism of.

Why you don't have a problem with unproven science of evolution? Seems inconsistent to me.

darthstar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:07:25pm

Someone just got FQed.

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:08:11pm

re: #66 FQ Kafir

I love water, doesn't mean I want to drown.

bratwurst Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:08:30pm

re: #78 darthstar

Someone just got FQed.

He was told that his initials were being changed from FQ to FO.

Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:09:42pm

UGH.

Even if you don't accept that the human scum are changing the climate - it's still not a great idea to pump tonnes of shit into the air we breathe... jeebus.

Achilles Tang Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:10:18pm

re: #77 Sergey Romanov

See what happens when you try logic or reason on the irrationals? They go poof!

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:10:58pm

Herman Cain Says No Abortion "Under Any Circumstance"

Appearing on NBC's 'Meet the Press' on Sunday, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said that he didn’t agree with abortion “under any circumstance.”

The candidate, who has promised to work to overturn Roe v. Wade, told host David Gregory that he believes in “life from conception.”

“I do not agree with abortion under any circumstance,” he insisted.

“Exceptions for rape and incest?” Gregory asked.

“Not for rape and incest,” Cain replied. “Because if you look at rape and incest, the percentage of those instances is so miniscule that there are other options.”

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:10:59pm

re: #66 FQ Kafir

"And like that, poof. And he's gone."
-Verbal Kint

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:11:29pm

re: #81 wozzablog

UGH.

Even if you don't accept that the human scum are changing the climate - it's still not a great idea to pump tonnes of shit into the air we breathe... jeebus.

Yeah, I've brought up that point to a couple of other "skeptics" before. But profit motive seems to be the prevailing excuse for why dumping tons of toxic shit into the atmosphere is okay. God forbid we actually, you know, pay a little extra to keep things like mercury out of the air.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:11:45pm

re: #73 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've never actually seen a climate change denier in person. I'm almost afraid that if I move too fast, I'll scare it into fleeing.

Heck, you think that's bad? I saw a Father Coughlin apologist in here once.

Wozza Matter? Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:12:02pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nice to know.

He really is going after Perry hard for the teavangelicals.

Kragar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:12:14pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Heck, you think that's bad? I saw a Father Coughlin apologist in here once.

"LEAVE LORD HAHA ALONE!"

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:12:27pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Heck, you think that's bad? I saw a Father Coughlin apologist in here once.

Yegods, talk about your diamond in the rough.

SidewaysQuark Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:12:29pm

re: #66 FQ Kafir

Seriously? LOL OMG an interwebz site with no agenda or disinformation whatsover- that changes everything! Now I can throw those science journals away!

Achilles Tang Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:13:15pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Please please, may the gods of Herman Cain nominate him, as they have clearly promised, more recently than the last ones.

Mr Pancakes Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:13:27pm

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love/loathe Tom Brady.

I loathe/loathe Tom Brady

Achilles Tang Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:14:54pm

re: #92 Mr Pancakes

I loathe/loathe Tom Brady

Maybe I might too. Who is he/she?

Mr Pancakes Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:15:25pm

re: #93 Naso Tang

Maybe I might too. Who is he/she?

Just some guy..... don't worry about it.

Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:15:45pm

re: #91 Naso Tang

Please please, may the gods of Herman Cain nominate him, as they have clearly promised, more recently than the last ones.

The man truly is the gift that keeps on giving. Every time he opens his mouth, it's simply to exchange feet.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:15:51pm

re: #93 Naso Tang

Maybe I might too. Who is he/she?

If you don't know, you don't care.

darthstar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:16:17pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Herman Cain Says No Abortion "Under Any Circumstance"

I don't see pregnancy as being something that Herman Cain has to worry about.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:16:34pm

re: #96 EmmmieG

If you don't know, you don't care and live in a deep, deep dark cave.

Achilles Tang Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:16:48pm

re: #73 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've never actually seen a climate change denier in person. I'm almost afraid that if I move too fast, I'll scare it into fleeing.

Hunting season just started. I hear they look just like deer.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:17:23pm

So I went to the site and saw a list of "31000 scientists" - 9000 of them with PhDs. So I clicked on "A" to see some names. Imagine my surprise at the bare bones list of names - not even the field is mentioned.

So I googled the first guy in the list - Earl M. Aagaard, PhD.

[Link: www.theseventhday.tv...]

Earl M. J. Aagaard is Professor of Biology at Southern Adventist University in Collegedale, Tennessee. He earned his doctorate at Colorado State University's College of Forestry and Natural Resources. His areas of interest include Origins and Intelligent Design, and the philosophical aspects of science.

[Link: www.adventistsaffirm.org...]

Dr. Earl Aagaard, of Pacific Union College’s biology department, wrote “The Importance of the Intelligent Design Theory for Seventh-day Adventists.” He invites us to vaccinate ourselves against all seductive materialistic influences and to make it abundantly clear that we accept the Bible account of Creation as true.

So not only he is in the irrelevant discipline, he is a creationist freak.

I don't feel the need to check the second name in the list.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:17:34pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Herman Cain Says No Abortion "Under Any Circumstance"

I knew a family, growing up, that was so rigid on birth control that the mom had 13 kids in 15 years.*

When she had an ectopic pregnancy, she had the pregnancy terminated. It's that or die.

People who say "never" have never thought about it.

*Yeah, that worked about as well as it sounded like it would.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:18:12pm

re: #98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[Link: travel.spotcoolstuff.com...]

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darthstar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:20:00pm

My pumpkins are aglow...
Day View

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Mr Pancakes Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:21:17pm

re: #103 darthstar

My pumpkins are aglow...
Day View

No skeletons? What's up with that?

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freetoken Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:21:26pm

re: #100 Sergey Romanov

That list, or some variation of it, has been circulating for years. It can be traced back to, among others, our old friend Art Robinson and his gang, of whom we discussed plenty here last year.

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darthstar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:21:31pm

re: #103 darthstar

My pumpkins are aglow...
Day View

I'm thinking some solar powered lights around the chairs to help make them visible at night might help...hello, Ace Hardware...it's me again.

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darthstar Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:22:05pm

re: #104 Mr Pancakes

No skeletons? What's up with that?

I went to the cemetery, but they told me I couldn't dig there.

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Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:22:23pm

re: #101 EmmmieG

I knew a family, growing up, that was so rigid on birth control that the mom had 13 kids in 15 years.*

When she had an ectopic pregnancy, she had the pregnancy terminated. It's that or die.

People who say "never" have never thought about it.

*Yeah, that worked about as well as it sounded like it would.

Yeah, I've heard the stories before from people working at abortion clinics. About how the militant anti-abortionist shows up quietly one day, either by themself or daughter/sister/cousin/etc in tow. The kind who pounds the bully pulpit, declaring that they'd never get one/allow their loved one to do so. But, of course, it's always an "exception" when they actually do.

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Interesting Times Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:22:30pm

re: #90 SidewaysQuark

Seriously? LOL OMG an interwebz site with no agenda or disinformation whatsover- that changes everything! Now I can throw those science journals away!

No kidding. Of course, if they truly "love CO2", they must simply adore ocean acidification and this lovely lake:

A pocket of magma lies beneath the lake and leaks carbon dioxide (CO2) into the water, changing it into carbonic acid....On August 21, 1986, possibly triggered by a landslide, Lake Nyos suddenly emitted a large cloud of CO2, which suffocated 1,700 people and 3,500 livestock in nearby towns and villages.
...
Carbon dioxide, being about 1.5 times as dense as air, caused the cloud to "hug" the ground and descend down the valleys where various villages were located. The mass was about 50 metres (164 ft) thick and it travelled downward at a rate of 20–50 kilometres per hour (12–31 mph). For roughly 23 kilometres (14 mi) the cloud remained condensed and dangerous, suffocating many of the people sleeping in Nyos, Kam, Cha, and Subum.[4] About 4,000 inhabitants fled the area, and many of these developed respiratory problems, lesions, and paralysis as a result of the gases.

Yay! Let's pump as much of the stuff into the air as possible! Adapt, bitches! 9_9

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Mr Pancakes Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:23:28pm

re: #107 darthstar

I went to the cemetery, but they told me I couldn't dig there.

You have to go late at night with a quiet dog and a lantern.

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Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:23:59pm

re: #110 Mr Pancakes

You have to go late at night with a quiet dog and a lantern.

Or your hunchbacked lab assistant.

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freetoken Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:24:05pm

One of my intended-but-never-actualized Pages was going to be titled "The Unbearable Slowness of Climate Change", wherein I intend to show how basic human psychology makes AGW totally impotent as far as changing our political decisions.

The problem is that human decision making and climate change work on two different time scales, differentiated in rapidity by about two orders of magnitude.

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:24:29pm

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

South Pacific islands running out of water

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Except for the ones that are sinking into the ocean.

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Mr Pancakes Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:25:16pm

re: #111 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Or your hunchbacked lab assistant.

Oh yes...... Igor....... he does side jobs .... the economy sucks.

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:25:36pm

re: #60 FQ Kafir

FQ U 2

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:28:48pm

re: #108 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I've heard the stories before from people working at abortion clinics. About how the militant anti-abortionist shows up quietly one day, either by themself or daughter/sister/cousin/etc in tow. The kind who pounds the bully pulpit, declaring that they'd never get one/allow their loved one to do so. But, of course, it's always an "exception" when they actually do.

I don't think she was a hypocrite. She would never have protested anyone else saving their life with this surgery.

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Targetpractice Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:31:28pm

re: #116 EmmmieG

I don't think she was a hypocrite. She would never have protested anyone else saving their life with this surgery.

Oh, I'm sure she wouldn't have. But I'm just as sure that there are some out there, brain dead as they are, who'd declare that it's "God's Will" and argue that it better she die than kill that "child."

I truly am beginning to wonder if we're going to survive as a species for another century.

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Achilles Tang Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:32:18pm

re: #113 Alouette

Except for the ones that are sinking into the ocean.

Correction. They are not sinking into the ocean, the oceans are rising and if the forecasts are right so is every metropolitan coastal area on the planet.

I'm sorry for a few thousand people on a nice beach too, but I don't see the point of making this a news article when there are hundreds of millions of people on less nice beaches in exactly the same situation.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:32:24pm

re: #101 EmmmieG

As one of 6 kids in 7 years. I can only imagine my parent's conversation.

Mom: FBVSr? There's this simple surgery thing that will make it so we can have all the sex we want and not have another one of these little shits.
Dad: I'll start the car. You call the doctor.

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OhNoZombies! Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:34:28pm

So I was talking step mom-in-law, you know, the religious one, about food prices, and starving people fighting for resources, and how freaking hot it was this summer. She's convinced the banks are going to collapse, and we should buy gold. There is no such thing as AGW, cause that's in God's hands etc.
So I ask,
" If humans are supposed to be the stewards of the Earth, and God is already pissed enough, that he's going to off us all because we're not following his rules--by fire and not flood, right ?
And he's going to do it as if a thief in the night, so we won't realize it till it's almost too late, because of our sins, right?"
"Right," she says, "You have been paying attention !"
"Well it seems like God is slowly, quietly letting us cook ourselves."

She seemed stumped.

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Beltboy Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:06:45pm

But the science isn't settled and I don't know why anybody would be in such a rush to create the taxes AND the artificial shortages of goods and services that would hit the poor and needy the hardest. Let alone the tyranny that would follow considering the implications of calling carbon dioxide a pollutant!
I'm with New Hampshire on this: Live Free or Die!!!

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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:25:40pm

re: #121 Beltboy

You forgot the sarc tag. Or the wingnut font. Or...

/wait, what? You mean it isn't a joke? You didn't pack that post full of the dumbest-of-the-dumb talking points from the derpiest denier screeds, all in a brilliant Onion-esque effort to make right-wing anti-science types look like morons? My bad.

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garhighway Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:19:15pm

re: #121 Beltboy

But the science isn't settled and I don't know why anybody would be in such a rush to create the taxes AND the artificial shortages of goods and services that would hit the poor and needy the hardest. Let alone the tyranny that would follow considering the implications of calling carbon dioxide a pollutant!
I'm with New Hampshire on this: Live Free or Die!!!

Friend: 6 gigatons of carbon goes into the Earth's atmosphere every year. Do you really think there would be no consequences from that?

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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:57:20pm

Dead thread hero strikes again.

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Beltboy Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:58:36pm

re: #123 garhighway

The science is still out on the consequences.
But the consequences of calling Carbon Dioxide a pollutant are very real.
That could be brought out to such liberty restricting laws that could pertain to everything from how many children a family can have to the amount of goods and services will be available to all due to artificial shortages. And who do you think will suffer the most? It'll be tyranny.

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Beltboy Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:59:57pm

re: #124 Charles

Hey, I wish I had the time to check this website out every 15 minutes.
If you think a story is "dead" how come you don't just remove it from your front page??

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:23:14pm

re: #125 Beltboy

The science is still out on the consequences.

Who told you that?

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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:25:25pm

re: #125 Beltboy

The science is still out on the consequences.

You lie.

But the consequences of calling Carbon Dioxide a pollutant are very real.

Durr hurr! CO2 is all-natural and safe! I'm gonna go for a swim in Lake Nyos!!1!

That could be brought out to such liberty restricting laws that could pertain to everything from how many children a family can have

Consider loosening that tinfoil hat; it's cramping what little functioning brain you have left.

to the amount of goods and services will be available to all due to artificial shortages.

Kindly tell the residents of Tuvalu their drinking water shortage is "artificial". Perhaps you can convince Texas residents of the same thing - and hey! Guess what! Thanks to their worst drought ever - exactly the kind of thing predicted by climate scientists - they're experiencing water rationing! Why aren't you whining about the "tyranny" of that? 9_9

And who do you think will suffer the most?

Under catastrophic climate change? Everyone except the super-rich for whom you shill.

It'll be tyranny.

Wow. You really are dumb and gullible enough to believe this. How pitiful, and sad.

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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:01:55pm

re: #126 Beltboy

Hey, I wish I had the time to check this website out every 15 minutes.

I'm sure everyone would love it if you spent more time here.

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