Libya: Death of a Dictator

Gaddafi meets his end

Middle EastOctober 2011 • Views: 18,830

Wild celebrations are breaking out all over Libya at the news that Muammar Gaddafi has been killed in his home town of Sirte.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:11:03am

A well-publicized trial showing all his crimes would've been an even better conclusion to this story. But this is a fitting end for the mad dog.

Kronocide Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:13:04am

And a fine Dictator's Death it was: bombed in a convoy, chased out of a ditch, to have your bloodied body cheered over.

Good riddance.

[deleted] Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:15:52am

erik_t Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:16:08am

I'd like to think it was the Libyans that got him.

Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:16:16am

It's just a flesh wound.
-MP
/

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:16:30am

Now, perhaps the Libyan people will have the liberty to choose a rational government.

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:18:37am

Gadaffy has been deSirtified.

lawhawk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:18:48am

Circumstances of his death notwithstanding, the people of Libya have one more reason to find today better than yesterday. Khadafi wont be coming back in any form. And at least one of his sons was killed as well.

Some reports indicate that he was hit in a NATO airstrike on a convoy but others indicate that rebels had surrounded a compound and he was caught trying to escape via a culvert. The latter appears to be far more likely as the photos indicate.

He had claimed he would never be taken alive, and the photos indicate that he did attempt to put up a fight (having been shot/injured). His last moments were probably a realization that he was being captured by rebel forces and that he should have taken the despot golden parachute to exile option when proffered.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:19:08am

And according to Marco Rubio the U.S. deserves no credit in making it happen

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:19:14am

_{had to do the rerun}

Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:23:27am

A look back.

110329-N-3396H-001 MEDITERRANEAN SEA (March 29, 2011) The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Barry (DDG 52) launches a Tomahawk cruise missile to support Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn. Odyssey Dawn is the U.S. Africa Command task force established to provide operational and tactical command and control of U.S. military forces supporting the international response to the unrest in Libya and enforcement of United Nations Security Council Resolution (UNSCR) 1973. (U.S. Navy photo by Lt.j.g. Monika Hess/Released)

SpaceJesus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:24:41am

well, he Sirtenly looks dead to me

Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:25:26am

re: #11 Gus 802

A look back.

The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Barry (DDG 52) launches a Tomahawk cruise missile to support Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn.

Hah!

Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:27:17am

Operation Odyssey Dawn | Joint Task Force | Libya

Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn is commanded by Admiral Samuel J. Locklear, III, Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa, and is operating from the U.S. Sixth Fleet Flag ship, USS Mount Whitney (LCC/JCC 20). The mission of JTF Odyssey Dawn is to conduct military operations to protect the civilian population from attack or threat of attack, in accordance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973; to establish a no-fly zone to help prevent mass atrocities; and to enforce an arms embargo to prevent the flow of arms and armed mercenaries from being used against civilians.

PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:27:59am

I have been trying to say this with dignity and grace. Thank G-d the SOB is dead. I know I have failed. /

Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:29:15am

White House press briefing coming up.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

2 minutes I believe.

Kronocide Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:29:20am

re: #9 Dreggas

And according to Marco Rubio the U.S. deserves no credit in making it happen

Yes Marco. Obama didn't invoke AMERICAFUCKYEAH! doctrine. Therefore, he hates America.

Keep it up buddy, 2012 will be a hoot.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:30:34am

Sic transit gloria mundi.

Youtube Video

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:31:49am

re: #8 lawhawk

Circumstances of his death notwithstanding, the people of Libya have one more reason to find today better than yesterday. Khadafi wont be coming back in any form. And at least one of his sons was killed as well.

Some reports indicate that he was hit in a NATO airstrike on a convoy but others indicate that rebels had surrounded a compound and he was caught trying to escape via a culvert. The latter appears to be far more likely as the photos indicate.

He had claimed he would never be taken alive, and the photos indicate that he did attempt to put up a fight (having been shot/injured). His last moments were probably a realization that he was being captured by rebel forces and that he should have taken the despot golden parachute to exile option when proffered.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

He could have been relaxing in friendly Venezuela with his girl bodyguards right now. It isn't exactly the French Riviera but it would have been much better than doing the Mussolini dance on the streets of Sirte.

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:33:02am

Heard this on the drive in this morning. Rush has worked himself into a lather using this to attack Obama. Go figure.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:33:29am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

He could have been relaxing in friendly Venezuela with his girl bodyguards right now. It isn't exactly the French Riviera but it would have been much better than doing the Mussolini dance on the streets of Sirte.

I know, same thing with Saddam. It works so much better for all involved when leaders voluntarily give-up power.

Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:34:45am

Security Council Approves ‘No-Fly Zone’ over Libya, Authorizing ‘All Necessary
Measures’ to Protect Civilians, by Vote of 10 in Favour with 5 Abstentions

Demanding an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute “crimes against humanity”, the Security Council this evening imposed a ban on all flights in the country’s airspace — a no-fly zone — and tightened sanctions on the Qadhafi regime and its supporters.

Adopting resolution 1973 (2011) by a vote of 10 in favour to none against, with 5 abstentions (Brazil, China, Germany, India, Russian Federation), the Council authorized Member States, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, to take all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory — requesting them to immediately inform the Secretary-General of such measures.

...

The Council then adopted resolution 1973 (2011) by a vote of 10 in favour to none against, with 5 abstentions (Brazil, China, Germany, India, Russian Federation).

...

Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:35:49am

The right wing is going ape shit over this news.

Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:37:06am

Letter from the President regarding the commencement of operations in Libya

TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE

March 21, 2011

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

At approximately 3:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, on March 19, 2011, at my direction, U.S. military forces commenced operations to assist an international effort authorized by the United Nations (U.N.) Security Council and undertaken with the support of European allies and Arab partners, to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe and address the threat posed to international peace and security by the crisis in Libya. As part of the multilateral response authorized under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, U.S. military forces, under the command of Commander, U.S. Africa Command, began a series of strikes against air defense systems and military airfields for the purposes of preparing a no-fly zone. These strikes will be limited in their nature, duration, and scope. Their purpose is to support an international coalition as it takes all necessary measures to enforce the terms of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973. These limited U.S. actions will set the stage for further action by other coalition partners.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 authorized Member States, under Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter, to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in Libya, including the establishment and enforcement of a "no-fly zone" in the airspace of Libya. United States military efforts are discrete and focused on employing unique U.S. military capabilities to set the conditions for our European allies and Arab partners to carry out the measures authorized by the U.N. Security Council Resolution.

Muammar Qadhafi was provided a very clear message that a cease-fire must be implemented immediately. The international community made clear that all attacks against civilians had to stop; Qadhafi had to stop his forces from advancing on Benghazi; pull them back from Ajdabiya, Misrata, and Zawiya; and establish water, electricity, and gas supplies to all areas. Finally, humanitarian assistance had to be allowed to reach the people of Libya.

Continues.

makeitstop Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:40:04am

re: #23 Charles

The right wing is going ape shit over this news.

It's absolutely killing their narrative of Obama as 'weak.'

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:40:34am

re: #23 Charles

The right wing is going ape shit over this news.

They've already been spinning this into a "President Bush made this happen" meme. It's so stupid. A lot of people worked really hard for the last 30 years to bring this bastard down.

gummitch Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:40:39am

re: #23 Charles

How is the Right spinning this one (besides Rubio).

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:40:49am

re: #23 Charles

The right wing is going ape shit over this news.

Rush spent a good 5 minutes playing Farakhan tapes supporting Gadhafi, and kept trying to say how much they sounded like Reverend Wright. I guess it was supposed to prove something.

He also implied that Gadhafi probably tried to surrender, but the rebels asked Obama what to do, and Obama told them to shoot him.

Just joking, I'm sure.

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:42:07am

re: #27 gummitch

How is the Right spinning this one (besides Rubio).

"The media keeps giving Obama credit, but he didn't do anything. Bush never got the credit he deserved."

Blah blah, whine whine

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:44:41am

Mitt forgets who's in charge:

Romney Cheers Gaddafi Death

Mitt Romney was the first candidate to respond to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's death Thursday, saying the world is a better place with the longtime leader gone.

"I think it's about time Gadhafi, a terrible tyrant that killed his own people and murdered Americans and others in the traged in Lockerbie," Romney said after a town hall in Iowa. "The world is a better place with Gadhafi gone."

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:45:09am

So, so far Obama has done/helped do what two republican Presidents (Reagan and Bush II) couldn't do. Kill/Depose Gaddafi and Bin laden

Gus Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:46:00am

Well. Looks like the press briefing was moved up to 2:20 PM EDT.

William of Orange Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:47:18am

This is a thread hard to hijack...

But here I go.

Climate change denier punked for being Sacha Baron Cohen!

Youtube Video

Wiki page of Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley

That was funny!

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:48:56am

My guess is all the GOP candidates will line up to say they were for it before they were against it, until today whereupon they were just kidding and were for it all along.

ಠ_ಠ Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:49:28am

I just blew out the candles on my cake, and now I read this? This news is a great birthday present!

PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:50:20am

re: #35 GM_Yitzhak

Happy Birthday.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:53:35am

Funny. It appears that despots don't read books about what generally happens in the end to despots.

Cinnabar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:54:28am

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny. It appears that despots don't read books about what generally happens in the end to despots.

What despot really believes he's a despot?

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:54:38am

re: #21 ggt

I know, same thing with Saddam. It works so much better for all involved when leaders voluntarily give-up power.

I know none of these gentleman have probably read George R.R. Martin, but they have learned, apparently from someone other than Cersei Lannister, that when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. Sometimes both, at different points in your life.

PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:55:45am

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They do not read period.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:55:54am

re: #23 Charles

The right wing is going ape shit over this news.

First we're supposed to mop up terrorist leaders and make the world safe for democracy. Then we're NOT supposed to mop up terrorist leaders and make the world safe for democracy. Come on, people, make your minds up!

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:56:04am

re: #38 C1nnabar

Hmmm. Maybe that's why they don't read the books.

Cinnabar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:56:45am

And again, the banner advertisement on the front page is for "Vulnerability Management for Dummies." Despots take note.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:57:15am

re: #26 thedopefishlives

They've already been spinning this into a "President Bush made this happen" meme. It's so stupid. A lot of people worked really hard for the last 30 years to bring this bastard down.

Either Obama takes responsibility for the current economy, or Bush gets credit for Bin Laden and Gaddafi. No fair trying to angle it BOTH ways.

Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:58:22am

I thought people here would like this:

Image: sJREO.png

PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:58:29am

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

How about USA et al? //

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:59:43am

Wingnuts hurt my brain:

Mississippi's Choice: Personhood and the Rights of Zygotes

Led by two baby-faced men in their young 30s, and with photogenic blond Kiessling as their "I survived abortion" spokeswoman, the Personhood movement is working day and night to declare all fertilized eggs — even the zygotes in IVF Petri dishes, or the ones conceived in an overnight fling and are about to eradicate with morning after birth control pill — as "persons," subject to the same civil rights (chiefly not to be murdered, but all other rights might theoretically apply) as born people.

The logistical, legal basis for the personhood movement is a sentence in Roe versus Wade, written by Supreme Court Justice Henry Blackmun in 1973: "The appellee and certain amici [pro-lifers] argue that the fetus is a 'person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment."

Kiessling and her supporters have decided to drive a truck into that legal wording, and declare all zygotes "persons." And in a few weeks, on Nov. 8, Mississippians will find on the general election ballot a "Personhood Amendment" to amend the Mississippi Constitution to define the word "person" or "persons" to "include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning, or the functional equivalent thereof." The amendment, proposition 26, was assured of a place on the ballot after the Mississippi Supreme Court rejected the ACLU's challenge to it in a 7-2 ruling in September, prompting Yes on 26 Executive Director Brad Prewitt to crow: "We need Mississippi's pro-life public officials, pastors, and patriots to stand up and be counted in the days ahead as we seek to become the first state in the nation to grant civil rights to the unborn."

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 9:59:58am

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rush spent a good 5 minutes playing Farakhan tapes supporting Gadhafi, and kept trying to say how much they sounded like Reverend Wright. I guess it was supposed to prove something.

He also implied that Gadhafi probably tried to surrender, but the rebels asked Obama what to do, and Obama told them to shoot him.

Just joking, I'm sure.

"Hey, Barack, this is Tarek. Yeah, can you talk a little louder? I'm on my cell, and all the gunfire...OK, yeah, that's better. Anyway, Gadaffi's here, and he's begging for mercy and trying to surrender, and shit. What do you think?....PAUSE...(louder) Guys, Barack says we should waste him!"

OhNoZombies! Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:00:20am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, we're supposed to fight em over there so we don't have to fight em over here...
:)

The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:01:49am

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

"Hey, Barack, this is Tarek. Yeah, can you talk a little louder? I'm on my cell, and all the gunfire...OK, yeah, that's better. Anyway, Gadaffi's here, and he's begging for mercy and trying to surrender, and shit. What do you think?...PAUSE...(louder) Guys, Barack says we should waste him!"

A phone call wasn't required. Obama just had one of his demonic familiars delivery the message after manifesting in a cloud of sulfur, ash, and brimstone.

Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:02:46am

Kiessling and her supporters have decided to drive a truck into that legal wording, and declare all zygotes "persons." And in a few weeks, on Nov. 8, Mississippians will find on the general election ballot a "Personhood Amendment" to amend the Mississippi Constitution to define the word "person" or "persons" to "include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning, or the functional equivalent thereof."

What about AIs?

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:02:53am

re: #49 OhNoZombies!

Yeah, we're supposed to fight em over there so we don't have to fight em over here...
:)

But only some of them, some of the time. If there were a list or a memo, this would be easier to track.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:03:45am

At the end of the day? The Libyan people deserve the credit for this victory. NATO may have been in the firefight, approved by whomever; but without the brave Libyan people, they are still under this thug's thumb.

The Administration's handling on this appears to have been superb.

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:05:10am

Video out of Libya, showing Gadhafi captured, before his death:

Youtube Video

OhNoZombies! Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:05:36am

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

Preferably written in three pages or less, or on a napkin.
//

PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:06:12am

As for Assad, How about a gilt edged invite to a private opthalmology conference in Tel Aviv? //

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:06:52am

I kind of hope Obama has a top ten hit list.

Should be down to 8 as of this morning.

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:06:55am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wingnuts hurt my brain:

Mississippi's Choice: Personhood and the Rights of Zygotes

All used feminine hygiene products are now to be sent to Rebecca Kiessling as evidence.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:07:59am

re: #35 GM_Yitzhak

I just blew out the candles on my cake, and now I read this? This news is a great birthday present!

It's my Mom's Birthday too!

happy Birthday!

PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:08:19am

re: #58 wrenchwench
Oy vey. They are really going off the deep end.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:08:54am

re: #51 Conservative Moonbat

What about AIs?

Are there life insurance policies available for zygotes?

And isn't "zygote" a bit insensitive? Maybe Blastocystizen? Embryonic-American?

William of Orange Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:09:56am

Well, well....

Let's see the GOP reaction on this score. The war in Lybia was exclusively known to them, and by them, as Obama's third war. Another reason to mock him for spending money overseas. Will they give Obama credit for this kill?

Quite a rhetorical question if you ask me....

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:10:26am

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At the end of the day? The Libyan people deserve the credit for this victory. NATO may have been in the firefight, approved by whomever; but without the brave Libyan people, they are still under this thug's thumb.

The Administration's handling on this appears to have been superb.

It is important to recognize the Libyan People's Victory.

It was their call.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:10:31am

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sounds to me like the voice in the background has a serious axe to grind.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:11:10am

re: #61 negativ

I didn't come from no goat.
/

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:13:46am

re: #58 wrenchwench

All used feminine hygiene products are now to be sent to Rebecca Kiessling as evidence.

Ain't no joke. 30-50% of fertilized eggs don't implant. Many that do implant get no further--a significant percentage of those will end in spontaneous miscarriage in the first trimester, many of them before the woman realizes she's pregnant. They're choosing the most tenuous and impractical possible definition, which, and this is no mistake, leaves the legal field open to harass and persecute women essentially at will.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:15:36am

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

I know none of these gentleman have probably read George R.R. Martin, but they have learned, apparently from someone other than Cersei Lannister, that when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. Sometimes both, at different points in your life.

I haven't read those books either.

Are they worth reading?

lawhawk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:17:47am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Paged previously.

Simply Sarah Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:18:27am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Ain't no joke. 30-50% of fertilized eggs don't implant. Many that do implant get no further--a significant percentage of those will end in spontaneous miscarriage in the first trimester, many of them before the woman realizes she's pregnant. They're choosing the most tenuous and impractical possible definition, which, and this is no mistake, leaves the legal field open to harass and persecute women essentially at will.

When they say all abortions should be illegal, they mean even spontaneous ones as well! Fuck logic and rationality and reality!

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:18:36am

re: #67 ggt

I haven't read those books either.

Are they worth reading?

If you like high fantasy, or sprawling historical novels, they're very good. My husband and I are reading through them now, after having seen the miniseries adaptation of the first book. Well-written, beautiful story arcs, very well-drawn characters.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:18:49am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wingnuts hurt my brain:

Mississippi's Choice: Personhood and the Rights of Zygotes

Did you Page this?

Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:19:38am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wingnuts hurt my brain:

Mississippi's Choice: Personhood and the Rights of Zygotes

They really, really don't want to do that. Because if that ballot initiative goes through, then you've just thrown open the door to all sorts of government control over the life of a pregnant woman. Smoking a cigarette, drinking a glass of champagne, even eating a Big Mac, could be construed as "child abuse" under such language and put otherwise innocent women into prison for 9 months or more.

Martinsmithy Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:20:21am

One of the creepiest Qaddafi stories so far...

Dr. Krekshi’s fighters found war prisoners in shipping containers and drawers full of intelligence dossiers on students, not to mention a mysterious office suite near Colonel Qaddafi’s preferred lecture hall. Inside was a queen-size bed, a Jacuzzi and a gynecological examining table, part of what the dean calls evidence that the deposed leader, on campus visits, summoned female students and raped them.
...
He touched on the talk of campus: the strange bedroom suite. He said he had found DVDs of students being sexually assaulted there, corroborating student reports, but had destroyed them to protect victims’ privacy.

Ms. Bargan felt bold enough to suggest he should have saved them as evidence. He said she would understand someday.

“Maybe I will be more mature then,” she said with a hint of sarcasm.

Ms. Bargan went to see for herself. The rooms were next to Green Hall, the auditorium where students were indoctrinated. People wandered through, as if at a museum.

There was the gynecological table, seemingly inexplicable; the dean suggested — without citing evidence — it was for abortions, or repairing hymens.

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:20:32am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Ain't no joke. 30-50% of fertilized eggs don't implant. Many that do implant get no further--a significant percentage of those will end in spontaneous miscarriage in the first trimester, many of them before the woman realizes she's pregnant. They're choosing the most tenuous and impractical possible definition, which, and this is no mistake, leaves the legal field open to harass and persecute women essentially at will.

We would have to carry a Certificate of Infertility to smoke a cigarette, be served a drink, go skydiving, take an antidepressant, etc.

Even women who want to bear children might not be able to, because, if they need to get their diabetes or blood pressure under control first, and can't risk pregnancy until they do, they'll have to resort to sterilization to avoid the risk of death by pregnancy before they are ready.

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:20:32am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds to me like the voice in the background has a serious axe to grind.

Ya think?

Simply Sarah Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:20:37am

re: #72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They really, really don't want to do that. Because if that ballot initiative goes through, then you've just thrown open the door to all sorts of government control over the life of a pregnant woman. Smoking a cigarette, drinking a glass of champagne, even eating a Big Mac, could be construed as "child abuse" under such language and put otherwise innocent women into prison for 9 months or more.

Oh, I assure you, they really, really do want to do that, for that very reason.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:22:18am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Ain't no joke. 30-50% of fertilized eggs don't implant. Many that do implant get no further--a significant percentage of those will end in spontaneous miscarriage in the first trimester, many of them before the woman realizes she's pregnant. They're choosing the most tenuous and impractical possible definition, which, and this is no mistake, leaves the legal field open to harass and persecute women essentially at will.

But, the women must have done something to cause that 30-50% to spontaneously abort. As soon as she is sexually active a women must not smoke, drink or even have unpure thoughts--lest she harm her chances of conceiving and bearing a child. We must investigate every possible loss of fertiziled eggs, women's behavior must be put under a microscope --we have to get these numbers down to an acceptable level of zero.

///gah--GRRRRRRRRR

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:22:47am

re: #72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They really, really don't want to do that. Because if that ballot initiative goes through, then you've just thrown open the door to all sorts of government control over the life of a pregnant woman. Smoking a cigarette, drinking a glass of champagne, even eating a Big Mac, could be construed as "child abuse" under such language and put otherwise innocent women into prison for 9 months or more.

Of course, all women should be banned from drinking, smoking, and other specified activities because of the potential to harm a zygote.

wiffersnapper Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:23:39am

Wonderful news! Ding dong the witch is dead.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:23:53am

re: #73 Martinsmithy

Q-daffy had a rape room? I'm shocked.

Rest in pieces.

Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:24:17am

What a zoo!

Dozens of exotic animals including tigers, lions and bears were let loose on Ohio farmland by their owner before he committed suicide, sparking a shoot-to-kill hunt in which 49 of the wild beasts, including 18 endangered Bengal tigers, were killed.

Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:24:58am

re: #76 Simply Sarah

Oh, I assure you, they really, really do want to do that, for that very reason.

The thread of their logic only goes so far. They want to end abortions and so see this "personhood" BS as the way to do that. But it also allows that bane of their existence, "Big Government," to start nosing into their lives. After all, if it is a "child" from the moment of conception, then we have to strictly regulate the lives of women to ensure that these "children" are not being abused. Pleading ignorance, such as being unaware that you're a couple hours pregnant, won't cut it.

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:26:37am

re: #73 Martinsmithy

I guess I am also capable of blood lust. That inspired me to watch the video in #54 a second time.

Simply Sarah Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:27:03am

re: #82 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The thread of their logic only goes so far. They want to end abortions and so see this "personhood" BS as the way to do that. But it also allows that bane of their existence, "Big Government," to start nosing into their lives. After all, if it is a "child" from the moment of conception, then we have to strictly regulate the lives of women to ensure that these "children" are not being abused. Pleading ignorance, such as being unaware that you're a couple hours pregnant, won't cut it.

I dunno. For a lot of these types, they make exceptions to their concerns about 'Big Government' when it comes to controlling women and/or pregnant people.

lawhawk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:27:43am

Now that Khadafi's gone, many of the biggest murderers of Americans have been eliminated. Most have been eliminated in the past six months.

Doesn't mean things are over by any stretch, but there have been huge strides in the past few years to identify, target, and eliminate HVTs.

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:27:57am

re: #82 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But it also allows that bane of their existence, "Big Government," to start nosing into their lives.

You fell for the sham. It was never about "big government". They want it even bigger, once they have control of it.

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:28:37am

GOP in response to new healthcare regulations: TLDR

Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:29:01am

re: #86 wrenchwench

You fell for the sham. It was never about "big government". They want it even bigger, once they have control of it.

Oh, I know they love Big Government...when they're in control of the beast. Plus, it makes for a great, ever-convenient "danger" that they simply must "protect" us from and "fight" against.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:29:11am

re: #86 wrenchwench

You fell for the sham. It was never about "big government". They want it even bigger, once they have control of it.

No, it's big government for thee, not me.

wrenchwench Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:29:34am

re: #85 lawhawk

Now that Khadafi's gone, many of the biggest murderers of Americans have been eliminated. Most have been eliminated in the past six months.

Doesn't mean things are over by any stretch, but there have been huge strides in the past few years to identify, target, and eliminate HVTs.

I was such a fool to think Obama would not be a good president on security issues.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:30:40am

re: #90 wrenchwench

You stand in good company.

chunkymonkey Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:30:48am

Gaddafi is thankfully gone. Saddam is gone. I hope this is writing on the wall for other tyrants such as Assad in Syria. People have been living under the boots of evil people like these for far too long.

Summer Seale Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:31:20am

I just really needed to share this essay with all of you from David Brin about the Right's nostalgia for the "Good old days":

[Link: davidbrin.blogspot.com...]

A must-read for everyone, I think.

Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:31:26am

re: #86 wrenchwench

You fell for the sham. It was never about "big government". They want it even bigger, once they have control of it.

Its all about State's rights, until women start going to abortion legal states to have them, in which case they'll claim their states have precedence.

"According to our records, you left Mississippi pregnant and are returning without being pregnant. You're under arrest for suspicion of murder."

The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:31:53am

re: #89 ggt

No, it's big government for thee, not me.

/

Same proposition with state's rights.

Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:32:52am

This seems on topic:

Image: vE9g4.jpg

PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:33:07am

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If she comes back after nine months she might have put the child up for adoption.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:33:19am

bbl

The Optimist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:34:09am

Hugo Chavez, another dictator facing slow death, still supported Qadaffi publicly as of this week. Perhaps the two of them will meet in a sulfur smelling place.

Now Libya has to start rebuilding, recovering assets, punishing those who stole from the country, tortured or killed others, or those that simply profited from being close to Qadaffi. Jails and torture chambers from Qadaffi's era might be appropriate housing for some of these bastards.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:34:52am

This is satire, of course; but we need to get some nerds working on this right away!

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:35:20am

re: #99 Venezuela lover

Maybe the cancer will get him?

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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:35:53am

re: #99 Venezuela lover

Hugo Chavez, another dictator facing slow death, still supported Qadaffi publicly as of this week. Perhaps the two of them will meet in a sulfur smelling place.

Now Libya has to start rebuilding, recovering assets, punishing those who stole from the country, tortured or killed others, or those that simply profited from being close to Qadaffi. Jails and torture chambers from Qadaffi's era might be appropriate housing for some of these bastards.

Seems to be a bad year for dictators and terrorists, huh? OBL's gone, Mo's expired, and Hugo's on his death bed. Maybe Death's making up for lost time.

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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:36:39am

Words can not express how happy I am. I'm posting from a school computer. In any case, I am very pleased and proud of the Libyans.

If you see Libyan Person today, give them congratulations.

Also, while Obama is not doing well in some areas, he is fantastic on issues regarding terror. He get my unqualified approval on these matters.

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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:37:52am

re: #102 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Seems to be a bad year for dictators and terrorists, huh? OBL's gone, Mo's expired, and Hugo's on his death bed. Maybe Death's making up for lost time.

...or trimming available stocks before rolling out the new models....

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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:38:40am

re: #104 The Ghost of a Flea

...or trimming available stocks before rolling out the new models...

True, anything's possible at this point.

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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:39:33am

re: #103 ProLifeLiberal

Also, it appears Mutassim al-Qaddafi was killed with his rat of a father.

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Kragar Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:39:46am

re: #93 Summer

I just really needed to share this essay with all of you from David Brin about the Right's nostalgia for the "Good old days":

[Link: davidbrin.blogspot.com...]

A must-read for everyone, I think.

Brin is an awesome writer. I read someone who tried the whole 1957 vs 2011 schtick yesterday and I was thinking of the same points he made. I've got to revisit his other books again soon.

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The Optimist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:40:28am

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe the cancer will get him?

It is not a matter of "if", it is a matter of when. Chavez previous physician give Chavez less than 18 months to live. The diagnosis is not public but Chavez looks like inflated chit after 4 chemo sessions. Chavez could be very dangerous during this period like a corned wild animal.

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Talking Point Detective Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:41:55am

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just saw that "Kafir" is the 7th most looked up word at the Merriam-Webster online dictionary. Came here to let you know, and lo and behold, you were the most recent person to post a comment

[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]

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Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:42:19am

Fox: Qudaffi death will make room for Al Quada in Libya.

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Talking Point Detective Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:42:59am

re: #109 Talking Point Detective

That is, in the last 24 hours. Any idea why that might be? Seems like an odd word to be looked up so frequently. Was there some recent precipitating event?

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dragonfire1981 Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:44:38am

I keep hearing U2's "Beautiful day" in my head.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:44:59am

re: #82 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The thread of their logic only goes so far. They want to end abortions and so see this "personhood" BS as the way to do that. But it also allows that bane of their existence, "Big Government," to start nosing into their lives. After all, if it is a "child" from the moment of conception, then we have to strictly regulate the lives of women to ensure that these "children" are not being abused. Pleading ignorance, such as being unaware that you're a couple hours pregnant, won't cut it.

I see it largely as vanity legislation--it gives them a wedge for assorted challenges to legal abortion--in fact, it makes legal abortion essentially impossible in the state--but it also allows them to feel extremely pure and virtuous. It also provides an infinite variety of opportunities for harassment and persecution, which will, in turn, up their sense of purity and virtue. They won't monitor everyone--they can't, they don't have the resources, and they won't want to bother. What they WILL do with this is what we've seen already--start an investigation of a woman who comes into the ER miscarrying, prosecute women who attempt suicide while pregnant, that sort of savory little witch-hunting behavior. Small, but devastating to a few lives, and chilling to others.

And meanwhile, BOY do the folks behind this get to feel good about themselves!

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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:46:39am

re: #110 Conservative Moonbat

Fox: Qudaffi death will make room for Al Quada in Libya.

Yeah, color me shocked. That's been a running theme for months now: "Getting rid of Gaddafi's really a bad thing, because once he's gone, all the terrorists will set up shop in a newly Islamic Libya! We need him and his secular government to stay in power!"

At least, when they weren't chewing Obama out for not "leading from the front" in putting Mo in the ground with his own two hands.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:47:29am

re: #90 wrenchwench

I was such a fool to think Obama would not be a good president on security issues.

Think of it as being pleasantly surprised!

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:48:04am

re: #92 chunkymonkey

Gaddafi is thankfully gone. Saddam is gone. I hope this is writing on the wall for other tyrants such as Assad in Syria. People have been living under the boots of evil people like these for far too long.

From your lips to God's ear. I think Assad is going to be a hard nut to crack.

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Lidane Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:48:38am

Has Subcomandante Bachmann said anything yet?

I'm dying to know how this is a bad thing, especially since Obama took us to Libya and then took us to Africa.

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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:50:55am

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

I see it largely as vanity legislation--it gives them a wedge for assorted challenges to legal abortion--in fact, it makes legal abortion essentially impossible in the state--but it also allows them to feel extremely pure and virtuous. It also provides an infinite variety of opportunities for harassment and persecution, which will, in turn, up their sense of purity and virtue. They won't monitor everyone--they can't, they don't have the resources, and they won't want to bother. What they WILL do with this is what we've seen already--start an investigation of a woman who comes into the ER miscarrying, prosecute women who attempt suicide while pregnant, that sort of savory little witch-hunting behavior. Small, but devastating to a few lives, and chilling to others.

And meanwhile, BOY do the folks behind this get to feel good about themselves!

True enough. And, when women are getting arrested on suspicion of "murder" after having a miscarriage or attempting suicide, it'll give the "Small Government" crusaders something new to bitch about.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:50:55am

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its all about State's rights, until women start going to abortion legal states to have them, in which case they'll claim their states have precedence.

"According to our records, you left Mississippi pregnant and are returning without being pregnant. You're under arrest for suspicion of murder."

Full faith and credit, they will argue, cannot apply to murder.

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The Optimist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:51:26am

Assad himself knows its over. Defectors will eventually kill him.
Let's count- 1600 Palestinians killed by Israel since 2000 vs 3000 Syrians killed by Assad in the last month.

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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:52:22am

re: #110 Conservative Moonbat

Fox: Qudaffi death will make room for Al Quada in Libya.

The Swampers are being absolute shitheads over this:
UNBELIEVABLE New Footage Of Qaddafi Still Alive, Trying To Fend Off Captors [GRAPHIC]

Animals.

Sec of State Cankles handed over how many $ millions to help with this democracy...?

They seem they’d fit right in with the OWS crowd. In another note, I wonder if BO will take credit for the outright murder?

Anyone else impressed by the fact that the people of the United States of America - by virtue of the president - is officially wallowing around in the sewer with these Arab monkeys?

One bad guy replaced my multiple hundreds of savage murderers. The world is definitely NOT better off. The best do nothing, the worst are filled with anger and emotional blackness...to paraphrase a smarter person. If this is supposed to make 0bama look like a “winner”, sorry. It shows less civility, and highlights the anarchy “der leader” is all out pushing on the world.

No matter how much I detested that animal this capture is so sick..And the Obama administration worry about water boarding.(which is a bunch of bull since Obama is Muslim and would do the same to any of his enemies)Compared to this anyone would rater have Americans capture them..I guess that is what animals do..

.....and the lonely voice of reason:

I am trying to decide if THAT is a worse visual than what we’d see if there was a video of people being vaporized during a mid-air explosion on a commercial airliner.

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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:52:42am

Another One Bites The Dust

Ooh, let's go
~~Steve~~ Obama walks warily down the street
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain't no sound but the sound of his feet
Machine guns ready to go

Are you ready, hey, are you ready for this
Are you hangin' on the edge of your seat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat - yeah

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust, eh
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

How do you think I'm going to get along
Without you when you're gone
You took me for everything that I had
And kicked me out on my own

Are you happy? Are you satisfied?
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat
Look out

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust, eh
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

Hey
Oh take it
Bites the dust - bite the dust hey
Hey
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust, ow
Another one bites the dust, hey hey
Another one bites the dust, heeey
Ooh show down

There are plenty of ways that you can hurt a man
And bring him to the ground
You can beat him
You can cheat him
You can treat him bad and leave him
When he's down, yeah
But I'm ready, yes I'm ready for you
I'm standing on my own two feet
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
Repeating to the sound of the beat
Oh yeah

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust, yeah
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust
Shoot out
Hey, alright

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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:52:53am

And so it ends.

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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:53:14am

re: #90 wrenchwench

I was such a fool to think Obama would not be a good president on security issues.

Yeah, that's one thing he apparently doesn't negotiate on. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on his short list.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:54:28am

re: #114 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, color me shocked. That's been a running theme for months now: "Getting rid of Gaddafi's really a bad thing, because once he's gone, all the terrorists will set up shop in a newly Islamic Libya! We need him and his secular government to stay in power!"

At least, when they weren't chewing Obama out for not "leading from the front" in putting Mo in the ground with his own two hands.

The odds are not great for Libya to suddenly emerge as a Jeffersonian democracy, as they used to say (correctly) about Iraq. However, the idea that Mad Mo and his 'secular government' was good for the West is a bit of a giggle. Or would be, if it weren't giggling in a literal graveyard.

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lawhawk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:54:30am

re: #110 Conservative Moonbat

Is that a possibility? Sure. But AQ is more firmly entrenched in the failed states of Yemen and Somalia inside Africa along with Afghanistan and Pakistan in South Asia. Yemen and Somalia both have a long history of terrorist breeding grounds (including homebases for OBL, Awlaki, and others). There's a willing and capable talent pool there. Some with the ancien regime may attempt to link up with AQ, but I don't see that happening. I'm sure the US and NATO will monitor the situation to see if AQ attempts to take advantage of the situation. The political and tribal tensions there are different and are likely to keep AQ from gaining a foothold.

I am cautiously optimistic over the situation in Libya. At the same time, Tunisia is expected to hold elections this weekend, and a moderate Islamist party is expected to win. They've got to fight the perception that they'd impose Sharia, including women wearing the veil, and other misogynist positions, but the party claims they'd do no such thing. There's no doubt that the party has moderates and extremists, and there are concerns that it might turn to be more Islamist than they let on, but for Tunisians their top concern is whether the new government will do something to improve the economy.

It's the economy, stupid is the name of the political game now - can the new governments do anything to improve the sorry state of these economies? It's going to take a whole lot more than platitudes (or imposing Sharia, if that's their true intention). They've got to bring tangible results or else they might find themselves in Ben Ali's position - out on their butt.

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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:54:42am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

And so it ends.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:55:12am

re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True enough. And, when women are getting arrested on suspicion of "murder" after having a miscarriage or attempting suicide, it'll give the "Small Government" crusaders something new to bitch about.

Somehow I suspect they will not come riding to the rescue.

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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:55:44am

re: #124 CuriousLurker

That's why he's going after Joesph Kony. With Bin Laden, Awlaki, and Qaddafi dead, many of those who committed atrocites against Americans are dead.

Time to branch out! :P

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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:56:09am

re: #127 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Well for Mohmmar it's the end. I mean dude first got in to power in the late 60's. I think after Fidel Castro, he was one of the longest reigning non monarchs. I always did like that Churchill quote though. So upding your way.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:56:47am

re: #120 Venezuela lover

Assad himself knows its over. Defectors will eventually kill him.
Let's count- 1600 Palestinians killed by Israel since 2000 vs 3000 Syrians killed by Assad in the last month.

Arab lives are counted in two currencies in the Middle East. The ones killed by Israel count for more.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:57:19am

re: #129 ProLifeLiberal

That's why he's going after Joesph Kony. With Bin Laden, Awlaki, and Qaddafi dead, many of those who committed atrocites against Americans are dead.

Time to branch out! :P

If he gets Kony, he becomes a hero in Africa if he's not already. I told this story already but the first time I heard about the LRA, it came from a guy who had done missionary work there.

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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:57:56am

re: #77 ggt

But, the women must have done something to cause that 30-50% to spontaneously abort. As soon as she is sexually active a women must not smoke, drink or even have unpure thoughts--lest she harm her chances of conceiving and bearing a child. We must investigate every possible loss of fertiziled eggs, women's behavior must be put under a microscope --we have to get these numbers down to an acceptable level of zero.

///gah--GRRR

If the legislation stated that they started the implementation with a pilot program that tracked and followed the female spouses, sexually mature off-spring, and significant others of the legislaters passing that bill for a year first to ensure enforcement of the statute I suspect it would not have seen the light of day.

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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:59:20am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Considering Obama's record, Kony probably isn't sleeping much anymore.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:59:33am

Cracked.com's Al Qaeda warning.

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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:59:34am

re: #129 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, it cracks me up when the wingnuts call him Obambi. Umm, no. He's no Bambi when it comes to hunting down the bad guys.

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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:59:41am

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

The odds are not great for Libya to suddenly emerge as a Jeffersonian democracy, as they used to say (correctly) about Iraq. However, the idea that Mad Mo and his 'secular government' was good for the West is a bit of a giggle. Or would be, if it weren't giggling in a literal graveyard.

I don't live under the illusion that Libya will become a democratic wonderland overnight, but I think a lot of folks have come to realize that the whole "devil you know" angle to foreign policy has done little to bolster our image on the world stage or done more than kept the local strongman in power until he realized he'd gain more power going against us.

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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:00:45am

Darn, gotta get back to work. BBL

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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:02:43am

re: #136 CuriousLurker

He's like the adult version of Bambi, except with Machine Guns instead of Antlers.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:03:19am

Qaddaffi really isn't dead conspiracy pages go up in 6, 5, 4, 3...

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:03:27am

re: #136 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it cracks me up when the wingnuts call him Obambi. Umm, no. He's no Bambi when it comes to hunting down the bad guys.

To our enemies? He's "O-shit!"

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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:04:18am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To our enemies? He's "O-shit!"

Hahahaha—good one!

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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:05:17am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To our enemies? He's "O-shit!"

Heh nice one.

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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:06:32am

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

I really can't find the words to express how revolting it is to see supposedly patriotic Americans loudly declaring their sympathy for Reagan's "mad dog," and vilifying the forces that brought that vicious SOB to justice.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:08:08am

Obama to speak on the death of Qaddafi.

Here's the text:

He's not merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:10:25am

re: #133 oaktree

If the legislation stated that they started the implementation with a pilot program that tracked and followed the female spouses, sexually mature off-spring, and significant others of the legislaters passing that bill for a year first to ensure enforcement of the statute I suspect it would not have seen the light of day.

I've read stories of maquiladoras where the girls are required to show management their used sanitary napkins every month, to prove they're not pregnant--because if they're pregnant they're out of a job. And they put up with this shit, because they're feeding their families on the crap wages they get.

I am not thrilled that Mississippi seems to think this is a fine way to treat its female citizens.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:10:33am

re: #145 EmmmieG

Obama to speak on the death of Qaddafi.

Here's the text:

He's not merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.

He's gloating!

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:11:03am

re: #147 HappyWarrior

He's gloating!

We won.

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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:11:30am

re: #145 EmmmieG

Obama to speak on the death of Qaddafi.

Here's the text:

He's not merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.

How dare he take credit for the actions of the British and French?! He didn't do anything to bring down Gaddafi! What an asshole!

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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:12:06am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We won.

I know. I was making fun of those who got pissy at Obama's Bin Laden speech.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:12:18am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We won.

Let's eat!

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:15:11am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Actually I was referring back to the beginning of the Administration. I forgot who said it.

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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:19:26am

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

I've read stories of maquiladoras where the girls are required to show management their used sanitary napkins every month, to prove they're not pregnant--because if they're pregnant they're out of a job. And they put up with this shit, because they're feeding their families on the crap wages they get.

I am not thrilled that Mississippi seems to think this is a fine way to treat its female citizens.

Never needed physical evidence to determine my female employees' menstrual state.

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PhillyPretzel Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:38:10am

According to Yahoo! and Reuters he was hiding like a rat. [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

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Eventual Carrion Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:42:42am

re: #110 Conservative Moonbat

Fox: Qudaffi death will make room for Al Quada in Libya.

They should know, Saddam's death did that for Iraq.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 11:56:40am

...

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philosophus invidius Thu, Oct 20, 2011 12:27:56pm

Sorry, I can't be happy about a defenseless old man being killed in the street.

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lawhawk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 12:32:14pm

Top 5 List of things Mumar Khadafi doesn't have to worry about anymore:
(5) Paying off the all girl bodyguards. Don't you know how tough it is to get all that Jeri Curl?
(4) Live free or die hard?
(3) Listening to Justin Bieber.
(2) The hassle of being the world's best-dressed dictator was tougher than you could ever imagine. Coming up with a new over-the-top outfit is hard to do.
(1) No need to worry about the Rapture Harold, I'm good.

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TedStriker Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:13:13pm

re: #145 EmmmieG

Obama to speak on the death of Qaddafi.

Here's the text:

He's not merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.

Gaddafi is an ex-dictator.

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William of Orange Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:22:21pm

Possibly the last footage of Gadaffi being alive.

You've seen the screenshot of this clip before. Him laying down in a flatbed truck. What you didin't see is him getting out of the truck, walking.

Obviously that comes with a....

WARNING!! GRAPHIC FOOTAGE!

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:24:43pm

re: #160 William of Orange

Not graphic. He is still alive by the end of the clip.

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William of Orange Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:26:53pm

Let me trump you with this one.

VERY GRAPHIC!!

Added to liveleak just an hour ago.

I warned you, click at your own risk.

Shot of Gadaffi in the morgue.

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neilk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:28:38pm

Well, I guess that settles the question of whether they took him alive.

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neilk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:35:19pm

Doesn't look much like he was shot in the head (IANA forensic scientist). And then he was walking in the video shown above, so he must not have been shot too badly in the legs, either. His neck looks like he's been strangled, or is that just old man wrinkles?

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William of Orange Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:41:38pm

re: #164 neilk

Doesn't look much like he was shot in the head (IANA forensic scientist). And then he was walking in the video shown above, so he must not have been shot too badly in the legs, either. His neck looks like he's been strangled, or is that just old man wrinkles?

But you saw from the other footage that he suffered from a massive blood loss. The convoy was bombarded so shrapnel could have been fatal for him.

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sffilk Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:35:50pm

Blessed are you, oh L-rd our G-D, ruler of the universe, the true judge.

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Obdicut Thu, Oct 20, 2011 3:38:46pm

re: #166 sffilk

Blessed are you, oh L-rd our G-D, ruler of the universe, the true judge.

I like pie.

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wheat-dogghazi Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:49:13pm

re: #108 Venezuela lover

It is not a matter of "if", it is a matter of when. Chavez previous physician give Chavez less than 18 months to live. The diagnosis is not public but Chavez looks like inflated chit after 4 chemo sessions. Chavez could be very dangerous during this period like a corned wild animal.

Thanks anyway. I prefer corned beef on rye with mustard and a little sauerkraut.

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