While this "smear campaign" has scuppered any chance he might have had at winning the general election, or of being picked as VP candidate (which says a lot), it has not necessarily derailed his chances at the GOP nomination...

re: #1 ralphieboy

While this "smear campaign" has scuppered any chance he might have had at winning the general election, or of being picked as VP candidate (which says a lot), it has not necessarily derailed his chances at the GOP nomination...

Which is a fact more Republicans should think on.

Charles, did you have extra coffee this morning? Your fourth thread, and it's not even noon yet .

Well, either too much coffee, or too much stupidity going on. Maybe I vote for the stupidity.

I picked the wrong day to stop eating cookie dought straight out of the fridge.

re: #4 EmmmieG

I picked the wrong day to stop eating cookie dought straight out of the fridge.

Who am I kidding. I haven't quit.

(Although I have yet to have the Pillsbury dough boy file a suit against me.)

Okay...so I wasn't the only one who thought Cain was being an asshole on Jimmy Kimmel's show when he made that "if you know what I mean" comment about not having a job for Gloria Allred. Glad Colbert pointed it out.

My personal theory is that these allegations originated from within the GOP establishment. They know that Cain could cost them the election.

But it is all too easy to blame it on a "left wing media conspiracy", which is fine for anyone wishing to distract attention from themselves.

And if the GOP establishment was behind it it would indicate that thethey do not even want Cain as as a VP candidate with Romney.

re: #5 EmmmieG

Who am I kidding. I haven't quit.

(Although I have yet to have the Pillsbury dough boy file a suit against me.)

As long as you keep eating, why would he?

too far?

re: #2 EmmmieG

Which is a fact more Republicans should think on.

Oh, they're thinking on it loudly. The base is sending even more money to Cain now, and they're crowing about the latest Rasmussen poll, which was taken yesterday:

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

re: #7 ralphieboy

My personal theory is that these allegations originated from within the GOP establishment. They know that Cain could cost them the election.

But it is all too easy to blame it on a "left wing media conspiracy", which is fine for anyone wishing to distract attention from themselves.

And if the GOP establishment was behind it it would indicate that thethey do not even want Cain as as a VP candidate with Romney.

If this was from the Dems they would have waited until he was nominated. I'm pretty sure this came from his side of the isle.

re: #7 ralphieboy

My personal theory is that these allegations originated from within the GOP establishment. They know that Cain could cost them the election.

But it is all too easy to blame it on a "left wing media conspiracy", which is fine for anyone wishing to distract attention from themselves.

And if the GOP establishment was behind it it would indicate that thethey do not even want Cain as as a VP candidate with Romney.

Hmm. Of the accusers whose registration we know about, both are Republicans. You could be on to something.

So Herman Cain is turning out to be the fulcrum that serves to facilitate the final break between the GOP base and the GOP establishment.

Personally, I look forward to tonight's debate when seven people will not say anything negative, but all look at Herman disapprovingly as he tries to get back on subject...and each will say, "I'm not Herman Cain."...except Newt Gingrich who will say, "Wait...you don't have to marry the women you hit on?"

re: #9 Lidane

Oh, they're thinking on it loudly. The base is sending even more money to Cain now, and they're crowing about the latest Rasmussen poll, which was taken yesterday:

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

And I presume the Democrat (and Republican?) establishment properly view any base contributions to Cain as money that will not be available for the general election - and thus effectively wasted.

re: #11 wrenchwench

Hmm. Of the accusers whose registration we know about, both are Republicans. You could be on to something.

Who benefits? Nobody on the left is afraid of Cain, in fact, they would prefer to see him on the ballot - for the very same reason a lot of the GOP establishment want to keep him off the ballot.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

If this was from the Dems they would have waited until he was nominated. I'm pretty sure this came from his side of the isle.

Wait. I was sarcastic. This came from his side of the car seat. It's not a political hit.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

If this was from the Dems they would have waited until he was nominated. I'm pretty sure this came from his side of the isle.

I'm pretty sure it was just a political reporter following up on an old story not so hard to find in Lexis-Nexis with a "Cain +sex" search, and then Herman Cain himself turned it into the circus it has become. Romney, Perry, etc. didn't have to do a damn thing.

re: #7 ralphieboy

My personal theory is that these allegations originated from within the GOP establishment. They know that Cain could cost them the election.

But it is all too easy to blame it on a "left wing media conspiracy", which is fine for anyone wishing to distract attention from themselves.

And if the GOP establishment was behind it it would indicate that thethey do not even want Cain as as a VP candidate with Romney.

VP candidates--Pawlenty for throwing in his support early?

Bachmann for the TP?

Not Perry. Never Perry.

Condoleeza Rice? Nah, she's happy where she is.

Not Huntsman. Too many Mormons. Maybe Secretary of State.

Newt? No, cabinet position there, too. Newt is smart, so they need to put him a position where the face that he's a jerk won't matter.

Cantor's too Jewish. There has to be one person on the ticket that the Evangelicals won't break out in hives about.

All out of ideas, here.

I'm bored. Somebody entertain me.

re: #18 EmmmieG

You forgot Sarah!!!

re: #19 b_sharp

re: #19 b_sharp

I'm bored. Somebody entertain me.

If Stephen Colbert can't do it, how can we?

re: #20 ralphieboy

You forgot Sarah!!!

Um, she failed that job the last time around.

re: #18 EmmmieG

There has to be one person on the ticket that the Evangelicals won't break out in hives about.

All out of ideas, here.

The corpse of Reagan.

re: #24 darthstar

The corpse of Reagan.

That gets nominated every single year.

re: #7 ralphieboy

My personal theory is that these allegations originated from within the GOP establishment. They know that Cain could cost them the election.

But it is all too easy to blame it on a "left wing media conspiracy", which is fine for anyone wishing to distract attention from themselves.

And if the GOP establishment was behind it it would indicate that thethey do not even want Cain as as a VP candidate with Romney.

Hmmmm. Kind of like John McCain's "black love child" rumor in South Carolina in 2000?

Of course McCain's daughter is adopted from Bangladesh, but that probably didn't stop a few people from changing their votes.

Cain is in real trouble here, and for a real reason. I could see the GOP wanting to get the story out early so he has no chance of becoming the nominee or being anywhere near the ticket, but they are delusional if they think Romney or any of the other candidates will be the next POTUS.

Romney's gonna have to jump on every lunatic far-right bandwagon to get the nomination (ex: personhood amendment) to win the nomination. He's then toast in the general election.

re: #21 Obdicut

[Video]

Thanks.

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

That actually made me laugh.re:

re: #18 EmmmieG

T Paw's the only one who makes sense. But they are awfully white, brunette, and male, aren't they?

LOL, like it makes any difference.

Totally OT.

We need a PSA on TV, radio, cable, etc.

"Americans: If you learn of child sexual abuse, the proper response is to call the police. They are the proper authorities, not the supervisor of the perpetrator, not the wife of the perpetrator, not any person who has a distinct reason to want to cover it up, or who has failed to prevent it in the past. Call. The. Police."

re: #22 wrenchwench

If Stephen Colbert can't do it, how can we?

A thread about Cain and his indiscretions. A woman asking me an entertaining question. Hmm, should I or shouldn't I?

You do realize asking 'me' that kind of a question could be dangerous?

One should keep in mind that this clusterfuck of stupidity (Romney, Perry, Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Gingrich...) is the "best and brightest" that the GOP has to offer.

It's kind of sad, you know.

re: #29 EmmmieG

Totally OT.

We need a PSA on TV, radio, cable, etc.

"Americans: If you learn of child sexual abuse, the proper response is to call the police. They are the proper authorities, not the supervisor of the perpetrator, not the wife of the perpetrator, not any person who has a distinct reason to want to cover it up, or who has failed to prevent it in the past. Call. The. Police."

And Joe Paterno doesn't have to retire until the end of the season...fucking cowards at Penn State.

re: #28 funky chicken

T Paw's the only one who makes sense. But they are awfully white, brunette, and male, aren't they?

LOL, like it makes any difference.

I was the Band Mom on the bus once. I got stuck with the fluties.

There was an enormous amount of variety. There was the very pretty blonde girl, the not-quite-as-pretty blonde girl, the talkative blonde girl, the quiet blonde girl, the blonde girl doing her coloring (not sure what that was about), and for variety, one brunette.

Cain is all riled up that these unsourced allegations against him are unfounded and unfair.

And who brought out the allegations from these women? Well, the "Democrat machine" brought forth the troubled woman to make false accusations. When asked, he says he has no foundation, evidence or facts to blame the "Democrat machine".

Oh, I get it - THEIR unfounded allegations based on no evidence = bad. HIS unfounded allegations based on no evidence = good.

re: #28 funky chicken

T Paw's the only one who makes sense. But they are awfully white, brunette, and male, aren't they?

LOL, like it makes any difference.

VP short list should include Rubio, Haley, Jindal and maybe West to show how diverse the GOP is.

re: #32 darthstar

He's revered as a legendary football coach, but that doesn't make him immune from the law - let alone the morality and ethics of not reporting the alleged abuse to law enforcement when the administration at the university did nothing.

He stood by and let the university essentially cover up the abuse on campus.

If you see something, say something.

Paterno didn't - to his everlasting shame.

And it may still turn out that he broke the law (perjury and/or obstruction of justice) and face charges along the lines of what two other Penn State officials are now facing in the Sandusky case.

re: #30 b_sharp

A thread about Cain and his indiscretions. A woman asking me an entertaining question. Hmm, should I or shouldn't I?

You do realize asking 'me' that kind of a question could be dangerous?

Sorry, I was busy posting a Page. And now I'm going back to my workbench to pick up a large wrench, and maybe a box cutter.

re: #31 darthstar

One should keep in mind that this clusterfuck of stupidity (Romney, Perry, Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Gingrich...) is the "best and brightest" that the GOP has to offer.

It's kind of sad, you know.

The best and brightest? I don't think that's necessarily the case. I think the recent breakout from the depths of R'lyeh by the TP has set conditions that have nothing to do with intellect or integrity.

re: #37 wrenchwench

Sorry, I was busy posting a Page. And now I'm going back to my workbench to pick up a large wrench, and maybe a box cutter.

I assume the large wrench is for me.

You really are a terrific person.(no sarcasm)

re: #32 darthstar

The Season is sacred.

re: #6 darthstar

Okay...so I wasn't the only one who thought Cain was being an asshole on Jimmy Kimmel's show when he made that "if you know what I mean" comment about not having a job for Gloria Allred. Glad Colbert pointed it out.

Unprofessional, and ridiculous. The man is nuts.

"And now, time for the Sport Report!"

brandigrissom:
The Innocence Project reports that an arrest has been made of a suspect in the Michael Morton case.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

If this was from the Dems they would have waited until he was nominated. I'm pretty sure this came from his side of the isle.

He's getting voted off the isle?

re: #35 aagcobb

VP short list should include Rubio, Haley, Jindal and maybe West to show how diverse the GOP is.

Mixed nuts! LOL

re: #40 jaunte

The Season is sacred.

The families should sue Paterno and the whole program into collapse.

re: #34 thatthatisis

Oh, I get it - THEIR unfounded allegations based on no evidence = bad. HIS unfounded allegations based on no evidence = good.

At the risk of flogged a dead horse--authoritarians in power or grasping power often rely upon the de facto operation of two (often-contradictory) standards of morality and veracity: the loose standards set for their in-group and the impossible ones set for out-groups.

Getting some attention today is the EIA (the energy accounting arm of the OECD) publication of the this year's version of the World Energy Outlook (WEO).

Included in this year's assessment is CO2 production lock-in:

The world is locking itself into an unsustainable energy future which would have far-reaching consequences, IEA warns in its latest World Energy Outlook

Example news story: Time for climate change fix running out, IEA warns

The IEA tends to be very institutional in nature, but perhaps less than the US EIA, which tends to be very centered on economic models.

Anyway, the IEA had plenty of other grim news, too.

My criticism of the IEA comments on AGW is that they are trying to make the 450ppm of CO2 as some sort of absolute. I have news for them - climate change is already affecting us.

And, as they say in the conservation circles - extinction is forever. Our clearing of forests, wetlands, etc. has already set off changes in the biosphere that are irreversible.

Oh, and as for climate change per se, the CSM runs an interesting story today about the coastal damaging storms in Alaska:
Bering Sea storm: Has global warming made the coast more vulnerable?

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

He's getting voted off the isle?

By the Skipper, Mary Ann, Gilligan and the Professor.

Mr Howell voted to keep him and Mrs Howell was not allowed to vote as part of a settlement she received from him (reportedly a very, very large number of coconuts)

re: #26 funky chicken

Hmmm. Kind of like John McCain's "black love child" rumor in South Carolina in 2000?

Of course McCain's daughter is adopted from Bangladesh, but that probably didn't stop a few people from changing their votes.

Cain is in real trouble here, and for a real reason. I could see the GOP wanting to get the story out early so he has no chance of becoming the nominee or being anywhere near the ticket, but they are delusional if they think Romney or any of the other candidates will be the next POTUS.

Romney's gonna have to jump on every lunatic far-right bandwagon to get the nomination (ex: personhood amendment) to win the nomination. He's then toast in the general election.

If I'd fallen for McCain having a black love child, I would think that the fact that he was raising her, and having her in family photos, spoke rather well of him.

But I am clearly not the target audience. Being a Democrat and a liberal, and all.

re: #28 funky chicken

T Paw's the only one who makes sense. But they are awfully white, brunette, and male, aren't they?

LOL, like it makes any difference.

A matched set.

re: #40 jaunte

The Season is sacred.

So is my left nut.
See this nut, right here? The 1.5" x 16 stainless steel nut? I worship it every Thursday night with a large box wrench.

Hey, I could be worshipping a gourd or a shoe. I feel blessed.

re: #32 darthstar

And Joe Paterno doesn't have to retire until the end of the season...fucking cowards at Penn State.

And he will probably get to go out with a major bowl game as well.

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The families should sue Paterno and the whole program into collapse.

Not only that, but prison sentences need to be handed out like bribes in a college football locker room.

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

A matched set.

We've had exactly one non-matched set in office, frankly.

re: #52 oaktree

And he will probably get to go out with a major bowl game as well.

Well, I'm still hoping this is just an intermediate step on the way to him leaving sooner. I mean, not as soon as I'd like, but if things keep coming out, plans can change.

re: #53 Lidane

Not only that, but prison sentences need to be handed out like bribes in a college football locker room.

Agreed.

re: #33 EmmmieG

I freaked my husband out one time when my son was little and playing 4 v 4 soccer. All four boys on the field at the time were very blonde, and I asked my husband why he (their coach) was playing the Aryan Nation lineup.

It was a joke, and nobody else heard it, but WOW was my husband offended.

My son and I are both blondes, and my husband and daughter are brunettes. I really was just being silly...and we had just moved to Colorado Springs from New Jersey, so the extreme lack of diversity was kind of unsettling.

He should have to sit face-to-face with all the boys who were abused after he failed to report it, and explain to them why he did what he did.

"You just weren't as important to me as he was."

Go Packers?!

re: #53 Lidane

And while his backers will claim that he didn't break the law and that his current team shouldn't be punished for what happened more than a decade ago, the fact is that he failed the victims morally and ethically by not reporting and doing more to protect the victims.

He's supposed to be first and foremost a teacher of men at a university. What lesson has he taught here? That it's okay to not report malfeasance when you see it because some university lawyer thinks you're in the clear not to report it to the police? What about your moral and ethical obligations to report?

Shutting down the program is probably too harsh, but then again with Paterno gone, I don't see how anyone would consider Penn State going forward. It is forever tarnished with this scandal (rightfully so as I might add).

Where's Ludwig? I'm sure he'll want a go at this:

Another jewel mined by the IEA:

Fossil Fuel Subsidies Six Times More Than Renewable Energy

Fossil-fuel consumers worldwide received about six times more government subsidies than were given to the renewable-energy industry, according to the chief adviser to oil-importing nations.

State spending to cut retail prices of gasoline, coal and natural gas rose 36 percent to $409 billion as global energy costs increased, the Paris-based International Energy Agency said today in its World Energy Outlook. Aid for biofuels, wind power and solar energy, rose 10 percent to $66 billion.

While fossil fuels meet about 80 percent of world energy demand, its subsidies are “creating market distortions that encourage wasteful consumption,” the agency said. “The costs of subsidies to fossil fuels generally outweigh the benefits.”

[...]

re: #38 b_sharp

I think the recent breakout from the depths of R'lyeh by the TP has set conditions that have nothing to do with intellect or integrity.

New election-worthiness criteria:

Who has the least-prominent "Innsmouth look" features?
Do you have a giant invisible twin born out of wedlock?
Can you get the all-important Shoggoth endorsement without conceding massive farm grants for giant blind penguin breeding?

re: #29 EmmmieG

Totally OT.

We need a PSA on TV, radio, cable, etc.

"Americans: If you learn of child sexual abuse, the proper response is to call the police. They are the proper authorities, not the supervisor of the perpetrator, not the wife of the perpetrator, not any person who has a distinct reason to want to cover it up, or who has failed to prevent it in the past. Call. The. Police."

Yes. Yes. Yes we do.

If you start a fund for such a PSA, I will send a check.

re: #54 EmmmieG

We've had exactly one non-matched set in office, frankly.

Eh, Kennedy and LBJ were not that well matched, to tell the truth. Lee Harvey Oswald robbed the US of more than just one guy, IMHO.

re: #33 EmmmieG

I was the Band Mom on the bus once. I got stuck with the fluties.

There was an enormous amount of variety. There was the very pretty blonde girl, the not-quite-as-pretty blonde girl, the talkative blonde girl, the quiet blonde girl, the blonde girl doing her coloring (not sure what that was about), and for variety, one brunette.

I once saw a picture of all the girls who were competing for Miss Iceland, together at a hot spring in their bikinis. It was a solid row of blondes, all with the same shade of hair (Icelanders have a specific blonde shade, I think) and then this one red-headed girl. It was pretty funny. She stood out.

re: #29 EmmmieG

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Yes. Yes we do.

If you start a fund for such a PSA, I will send a check.

hell,, I'll put it up on multiple satellites!!

re: #61 Lidane

Where's Ludwig? I'm sure he'll want a go at this:

[Video]

He's a tap-dancin' fool.

But at least he does not call global warming a hoax and a leftist plot to gain world government control of those resources that God has placed in the hands of the energy industry...

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Yes. Yes we do.

If you start a fund for such a PSA, I will send a check.

Well, the big issue often is that the abuser, as well as the victims, are family members. Hard to convince many people that it's better for everyone to deal with the abuser rather than trying to sweep everything under a rug.

re: #58 EmmmieG

He should have to sit face-to-face with all the boys who were abused after he failed to report it, and explain to them why he did what he did.

"You just weren't as important to me as he was."

Then they should get to hit him with bats for a while.

//If this counts as calling for violence..eh, delete it. I'm intolerant of child abuse.

re: #62 freetoken

Another jewel mined by the IEA:

Fossil Fuel Subsidies Six Times More Than Renewable Energy

What? That can't be right! Surely everybody knows that fossil fuels don't need subsidies, because the free market ensures that energy is cheap and plentiful! Only "green" energy needs subsidies and only because there's no other way it would be even considered by the free market!

///

re: #4 EmmmieG

I picked the wrong day to stop eating cookie dought straight out of the fridge.

OK, just saw this. Here's my own PSA: don't eat factory-produced cookie dough raw. EVER. SERIOUSLY.

[Link: www.billmarler.com...]

re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What? That can't be right! Surely everybody knows that fossil fuels don't need subsidies, because the free market ensures that energy is cheap and plentiful! Only "green" energy needs subsidies and only because there's no other way it would be even considered by the free market!

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No, no, no. Remember, we only give subsidies to corporations who have already proven themselves to be successful and wealthy. Sheesh, do I have to explain everything to you people?

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Any thoughts, Killgore?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

I once saw a picture of all the girls who were competing for Miss Iceland, together at a hot spring in their bikinis. It was a solid row of blondes, all with the same shade of hair (Icelanders have a specific blonde shade, I think) and then this one red-headed girl. It was pretty funny. She stood out.

That was Murphy, the Bombshell.

;)

re: #72 funky chicken

OK, just saw this. Here's my own PSA: don't eat factory-produced cookie dough raw. EVER. SERIOUSLY.

[Link: www.billmarler.com...]

Um. Actually this is homemade. I couldn't fund my habit if I had to buy it from the store. These types of habits are expensive, you know.