How much farther will Rush Limbaugh go?
The most influential right wing radio host in America, the man who is above criticism by Republican politicians, asks if Herman Cain’s accusers want to appear at a press conference together because “they want to synchronize their menstrual periods.”
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neilk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:56:56am |
Just in case you doubted whether he hates them, in part, because they're women.
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:00:12am |
This is the guy that Boehner consulted on the GOP debt plan.
And for all I know, is still doing so.
He must have loved Cain's "Princess Pelosi" remark.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:04:08am |
And John Boehner consulted this guy on the debt plan why? Seriously Limbaugh day in day out shows himself to be a douchebag of gignatic proporitions yet the GOP leadership panders to this fuck.
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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:04:13am |
respect and decency are losing ground in the MSM...there is no stopping this erosion if individuals don't express responsibility....Rush has reduced himself to a brash, disruptive punk in the classroom...politics has become a tasteless dog and pony show
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iceweasel Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:04:54am |
Automatic apology letter for republicans: I'm sorry, Rush!
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bratwurst Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:05:56am |
This story has bought out the misogyny in Rush worse than I have ever heard from him, and that is saying something. How in the world could you be a woman and a fan of this man?
Anyone care to wager if we get the classic "IT'S SATIRE!" post in this thread?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:06:58am |
re: #5 HappyWarrior
And John Boehner consulted this guy on the debt plan why? Seriously Limbaugh day in day out shows himself to be a douchebag of gignatic proporitions yet the GOP leadership panders to this fuck.
Because John Boehner has no choice, he is the beta male to Rush's alpha
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HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:08:07am |
re: #7 iceweasel
Automatic apology letter for republicans: I'm sorry, Rush!
It's sad really. Remember Phil Gingrey who rightfully told Rush to stop being a Monday morning QB after Obama's election and Rush trashes him on the air and then Gingrey appeared to apologize. Truly sad that you need to kiss the ass of a college drop out who thinks the Lord's Resistance Army is a great group.
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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:08:18am |
re: #9 WindUpBird
Because John Boehner has no choice, he is the beta male to Rush's alpha
which one sniffs the others ass?
I forget
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:09:25am |
Rush has been making the "menses" jokes since I was listening to him. It's still a pretty dumb joke.
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engineer cat Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:13:35am |
rush's inner 12 year old has an inner 9 year old hidden inside it
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:16:32am |
Stay classy Rush... stay classy...
How can any woman be a Republican given that this is how they act? I know my views on the female spokesmodel/sex workers on Fox are harsh... but come on... look at the repulsive group they promote to the detriment of all women everywhere.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:17:24am |
re: #12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rush has been making the "menses" jokes since I was listening to him. It's still a pretty dumb joke.
My first thought when I saw this involved explaining to Rush, kindly, what they were going to do once they were synchronized and all bleeding at once.
I'll spare you guys the literally gory details.
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:18:06am |
re: #15 LudwigVanQuixote
And calling them 'sex workers', especially as an insult, is dumb.
Congrats on being self-defeating.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:18:39am |
re: #14 engineer dog
rush's inner 12 year old has an inner 9 year old hidden inside it
And some wonder why he is working on divorce number six and has to go to prostitutes to get it!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:19:29am |
re: #17 Obdicut
And calling them 'sex workers', especially as an insult, is dumb.
Congrats on being self-defeating.
Wasn't meant as an insult... it was meant as a statement of fact.
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Political Atheist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:20:20am |
re: #18 LudwigVanQuixote
heh. What would it take for a complete nookie embargo on him?? 'Cmon ladies how about a really worthwhile conspiracy?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:20:45am |
Occupy SF protester threw bottle at city worker
The incident was reported at 10:28 a.m. Wednesday by an employee with the city's Department of Public Works whose crew was preparing to conduct routine washing and disinfecting of the walkways and walls of the bocce ball courts at Justin Herman Plaza, according to police.
The employee told police that out of the corner of his eye, he saw someone throw an object at him. The object, a glass bottle, shattered on the ground, missing the employee's legs.
The suspect allegedly told the employee "You are not coming in here," police said.
Officers responded and arrested the man, identified as 34-year-old Jesse Nesbitt, on suspicion of assault and an outstanding warrant.
Nesbitt allegedly admitted to throwing the bottle, saying that city workers were not allowed into the plaza because "Occupy SF" campers could clean up after themselves, police said.
The arrest came after a Southern California man was cited at the encampment on Tuesday for carrying a concealed handgun. The weapon was not loaded, police said.
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theheat Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:21:51am |
It's ironic a lardass with manboobs and cellulite tries to degrade women about their periods, when apparently every day for Rush is a heavy flow day.
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:22:16am |
re: #19 LudwigVanQuixote
Whatever. There's no point in lambasting you for this again. You clearly have on intention of actually listening to why it's a dumb line of argument. You're undeterred by the reception it gets and the reasons why people are annoyed by it. Do Fox News women use their sexuality? Sure. Does Natalie Portman? Yep. Are either of them 'sex workers'? No. Is actually being a 'sex worker' some terrible moral thing? No.
I'm not going to bother to reply to you any further on this.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:22:28am |
re: #20 Rightwingconspirator
heh. What would it take for a complete nookie embargo on him?? 'Cmon ladies how about a really worthwhile conspiracy?
That is funny.
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jaunte Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:22:55am |
re: #20 Rightwingconspirator
heh. What would it take for a complete nookie embargo on him?? 'Cmon ladies how about a really worthwhile conspiracy?
He'll just keep going down to the Dominican Republic and exploiting the poor.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:23:15am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:23:26am |
re: #20 Rightwingconspirator
heh. What would it take for a complete nookie embargo on him?? 'Cmon ladies how about a really worthwhile conspiracy?
Well, I can't help there...I have never in all my life considered having sex with Rush Limbaugh...but, uh, I would be in solidarity with any woman who decided not to as a matter of principle.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:23:38am |
Americans for Truth look at the real horror at PSU:
How Many Boy Victims of Penn State Homosexual Predator Jerry Sandusky Will End Up Thinking They are 'Gay'?
The discovery that former Penn State University defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky has been molesting boys as young as 10 years old -- and that university officials including head coach Joe Paterno did not do more to apprehend this predator -- has shocked America. Peter LaBarbera, president of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH), said the scandal exposes the continuing problem of homosexual predators in society.
Thats right, its the evil gays behind it all.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:25:09am |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I haven't been following the story but did the students riot last night in support of the coach? Very strange.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:25:16am |
Rush is actually recycling an old meme of his from Gulf War I, when he talked about an "Amazon Warrior Battalion."
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:25:56am |
Zuccotti Park Protester Charged With Assault
A dispute in Zuccotti Park on Wednesday night set off a chain of confrontations involving emergency responders and Occupy Wall Street protesters, the authorities said. A medical worker was injured and a man camped out at the park was charged with assaulting him and taken to Bellevue Hospital Center, they said.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:26:11am |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Americans for Truth look at the real horror at PSU:
How Many Boy Victims of Penn State Homosexual Predator Jerry Sandusky Will End Up Thinking They are 'Gay'?Thats right, its the evil gays behind it all.
That's what this asshole is using this case for? An excuse to bash gay people. What a bastard.
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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:27:43am |
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:27:55am |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I was abused as a kid. By a guy. I don't think I'm gay. I'm not sure why I would. Wouldn't getting abused by one gender make you much less likely to want to have sex with other people of that gender?
Isn't what anti-gay morons like that normally say that lesbians are just lesbians because they got raped or abused by men or something?
Inconsistent stupid logic is inconsistent and stupid.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:28:09am |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
I haven't been following the story but did the students riot last night in support of the coach? Very strange.
Nice to see an entire campus rioting in defense of enabling child molesters. Maybe they can find some alumni to donate their sons to the coaches if it guarantees them a winning season.
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:29:04am |
re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Reminds me of this, but with a football twist:
The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
One of the best morality tales of all time.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:29:46am |
re: #33 albusteve
their time is up...they had their fun, time to move on
Despite all the denials the assaults and violence from the camps has become a serious problem. Portland just decided to close our camp this weekend because of the rise in assaults, mostly against city workers trying to clean the park.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:30:08am |
Paterno is a legend there. This isn't any ordinary football coach. This guy has been at PSU in some capacity since 1950. The rioting is wrong of course no doubt about it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:30:29am |
re: #23 Obdicut
OK fine... you want to get yourself in a silly PC outrage go right ahead.
But you miss the big picture all together and act the fool when you do.
People who purposefully sell out their own group for their own advancement and act in utterly hypocritical ways should and can be reviled for their disgusting behavior. All of them act to harm the whole.
Jews who turn on Jews for their own advancement in certain sectors of the left are a great example. GOP Jews getting in bed with the far Christian right are another. Disgusting.
Herman Cain is a fantastic example. If there was ever a cringingly token sell out, it is him. He purposefully pretends that centuries of opression and inequality in America have evaporated and that the sufferings of his own people are all their fault. Disgusting.
Women who support the GOP and particularly those who set back equal rights by decades by reducing themselves to sex objects in the process, are repulsive. Ask any historian of women's history who the worst enemies of women's rights are and it is frequently other women. It's repulsive.
But go ahead... excuse the behavior and pretend it does not exist. And with that, I am done with your prissy faux indignation.
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:31:30am |
Despite all the denials the assaults and corruption from the police has become a serious problem. New York is investigating rampant corruption in the department.
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erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:33:58am |
re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nice to see an entire campus rioting in defense of enabling child molesters. Maybe they can find some alumni to donate their sons to the coaches if it guarantees them a winning season.
They rioted (so to speak) because the alma mater (sports included) feels like a family, and the usual first response to an apparent attack on the family isn't a rational one.
I'll judge these folks plenty if there's a rally at the first anniversary of Paterno's firing. Right now I'm just glad I'm not a confused twenty year old Penn State student, because I'm pretty sure I would have been out there with them.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:34:21am |
re: #40 Obdicut
Despite all the denials the assaults and corruption from the police has become a serious problem. New York is investigating rampant corruption in the department.
Looks like they're all going through the court system. No complaints from me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:34:27am |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
My first thought when I saw this involved explaining to Rush, kindly, what they were going to do once they were synchronized and all bleeding at once.
I'll spare you guys the literally gory details.
Oh yeah. Eww.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:35:46am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:37:57am |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:37:58am |
re: #41 erik_t
They rioted (so to speak) because the alma mater (sports included) feels like a family, and the usual first response to an apparent attack on the family isn't a rational one.
I'll judge these folks plenty if there's a rally at the first anniversary of Paterno's firing. Right now I'm just glad I'm not a confused twenty year old Penn State student, because I'm pretty sure I would have been out there with them.
I don't know. We had a really popular basketball coach at GMU in Jim Larranga and Coach L were accused of doing what Paterno did, I'd be more pissed at him than I'd at the university for firing him. A guy in one of my classes was telling me and some other people he comes from a big PSU family and he's just stunned and disappointed in Paterno above all.
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:39:57am |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
All? You really think all the cases of police corruption or abuse of power in NYC have even been reported, much less are going through the court system?
Or hell, even just massive incompetence, like San Francisco's drug lab, which has been sending people to jail on phony evidence for years and years.
[Link: articles.sfgate.com...]
I'm sure it's just a few bad eggs though, and the SF cops had no reason to think that the blindingly-fast drug results that always came back the way they wanted them to were suspicious.
/
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:40:18am |
Rush does not see it as misogyny, he sees it as simply hating non-conservatives. Who in this case happen to be women, which makes them fair game in his eyes.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:40:31am |
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erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:40:32am |
re: #46 HappyWarrior
I think that is the appropriate response. That's certainly my feeling, as a big college football fan. JoePa stood above it all, just like Tressel seemed to at the beginning of the year. That there would be a fall from grace a hundred times worse than the latter's... the whole thing is just fucking awful.
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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:40:33am |
re: #46 HappyWarrior
I don't know. We had a really popular basketball coach at GMU in Jim Larranga and Coach L were accused of doing what Paterno did, I'd be more pissed at him than I'd at the university for firing him. A guy in one of my classes was telling me and some other people he comes from a big PSU family and he's just stunned and disappointed in Paterno above all.
I'd bet that less than half the rioters even understand the entire story, timeline and all the behaviors involved....I don't think it's honest to say they are supporting child abuse
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:41:39am |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Americans for Truth look at the real horror at PSU:
How Many Boy Victims of Penn State Homosexual Predator Jerry Sandusky Will End Up Thinking They are 'Gay'?Thats right, its the evil gays behind it all.
How many of them will not get proper therapy? How many of them will never trust another authority figure again? How many of them will think what happened was their own fault? How many will suffer nightmares for years, if not forever? How many will do drugs or drink? How many will find it hard to form lasting relationships? How many will have anger issues that spill over into their personal and professional lives? How many will struggle with depression, feelings of worthlessness, and suicidal ideation?
IF ALL I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WAS THEM BEING GAY, I'D BE A LOT LESS WORRIED, ASSHOLES!!
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erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:41:48am |
re: #51 albusteve
I think it's quite unfair to even describe them all as rioters (though riotous activity certainly took place). Most looked to be walking around in a daze, going to be among their brethren because there's not much else to do.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:42:06am |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
I haven't been following the story but did the students riot last night in support of the coach? Very strange.
Yes. They tipped a news van. A girl got hit in the head with a rock. It was unbelievable.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:42:31am |
re: #51 albusteve
I'd bet that less than half the rioters even understand the entire story, timeline and all the behaviors involved...I don't think it's honest to say they are supporting child abuse
True. I don't think they support child abuse and I didn't say or mean to imply that if I did. I just don't think if I went to PSU, I'd be pissed at the university for firing him and I certainly wouldn't be rioting.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:43:07am |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes. They tipped a news van. A girl got hit in the head with a rock. It was unbelievable.
WOO! PENN STATE FOOTBALL!!! LETS BREAKS SOME SHIT!
Morons.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:43:08am |
Not defending Cain. Serious question.
Have any women from his other jobs (Federal Reserve, Godfather's, et al) come out with these claims? Or just the NRA?
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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:43:40am |
re: #53 erik_t
I think it's quite unfair to even describe them all as rioters (though riotous activity certainly took place). Most looked to be walking around in a daze, going to be among their brethren because there's not much else to do.
of course...but I'm short winded and assume people take that for granted
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:43:59am |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
How many of them will think what happened was their own fault?
All of them. Unless they get sufficient and skilled therapy. Which, as you pointed out, they're unlikely to.
Kids blame themselves. I'm not sure if it's purely 'natural' or how our society teaches stuff, but kids blame themselves for the negative things that happen to them. They feel guilty when you harm them.
Which is why it's such a goddamn evil thing to inflict harm on a child, beyond the harm itself. And why it's so terribly easy to get away with it, to get a child to stay silent.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:44:05am |
re: #50 erik_t
I think that is the appropriate response. That's certainly my feeling, as a big college football fan. JoePa stood above it all, just like Tressel seemed to at the beginning of the year. That there would be a fall from grace a hundred times worse than the latter's... the whole thing is just fucking awful.
It's all too bad. I don't have a college team I root for but I always kind of liked PSU. My whole family's from Pennsylvania originally and Paterno seemed like one of the good guys.
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erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:44:26am |
re: #58 albusteve
Just stating my feeling on the matter, no grumpiness intended.
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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:45:23am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:45:37am |
re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Scary as hell.
Those stupid "Seasonale" and "Seasonique" ads just annoy me.
I don't know. Maybe for some women they're really, really fabulous. It just irks me.
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neilk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:46:58am |
re: #51 albusteve
I'd bet that less than half the rioters even understand the entire story, timeline and all the behaviors involved...I don't think it's honest to say they are supporting child abuse
Ashton Kutcher got in some trouble for tweeting his moral outrage at UPenn for firing Joe Paterno, evidently before bothering to look at why they did so, since he subsequently backtracked with rather stunning vigor. This caused some slight embarrassment as he and his wife are supposed to be activists against the sexual exploitation of children. (Something tells me it's mostly his wife and he doesn't really case much.)
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Fart Knocker Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:47:29am |
re: #64 neilk
Ashton Kutcher got in some trouble for tweeting his moral outrage at UPenn for firing Joe Paterno, evidently before bothering to look at why they did so, since he subsequently backtracked with rather stunning vigor. This caused some slight embarrassment as he and his wife are supposed to be activists against the sexual exploitation of children. (Something tells me it's mostly his wife and he doesn't really case much.)
UPenn is not Penn State. Two different schools.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:48:07am |
re: #51 albusteve
I'd bet that less than half the rioters even understand the entire story, timeline and all the behaviors involved...I don't think it's honest to say they are supporting child abuse
I think this is a whole community doing the 'denial' stage all at once.
It's still fairly horrifying to watch.
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neilk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:48:34am |
re: #65 rwdflynavy
Thanks for catching the mistake. My sincere apologies to UPenn.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:49:46am |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes. They tipped a news van. A girl got hit in the head with a rock. It was unbelievable.
Amazingly stupid.
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neilk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:49:50am |
While I'm pointing fingers at hollywood Twitter morons, let's not leave out Alec Baldwin, who apparently does not know the difference between "sex" and "child rape".
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:50:54am |
re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote
It's really weird that you refuse to acknowledge that somebody else's wrongdoings do not give you permission to be a bigot.
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zora Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:51:53am |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
How many of them will not get proper therapy? How many of them will never trust another authority figure again? How many of them will think what happened was their own fault? How many will suffer nightmares for years, if not forever? How many will do drugs or drink? How many will find it hard to form lasting relationships? How many will have anger issues that spill over into their personal and professional lives? How many will struggle with depression, feelings of worthlessness, and suicidal ideation?
IF ALL I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WAS THEM BEING GAY, I'D BE A LOT LESS WORRIED, ASSHOLES!!
grand jury report.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:52:02am |
re: #23 Obdicut
Whatever. There's no point in lambasting you for this again. You clearly have on intention of actually listening to why it's a dumb line of argument. You're undeterred by the reception it gets and the reasons why people are annoyed by it. Do Fox News women use their sexuality? Sure. Does Natalie Portman? Yep. Are either of them 'sex workers'? No. Is actually being a 'sex worker' some terrible moral thing? No.
I'm not going to bother to reply to you any further on this.
Not to defend Ludwig, but the FoxNews women "dumbing themselves down" to fit a particular narrative isn't exactly new. Jon Stewart had a great bit on it a couple years ago where he called out Gretchen Carlson for engaging in exactly this behavior.
Jon Stewart Calls Out Gretchen Carlson For "Dumbing Herself Down" (VIDEO)
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neilk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:52:02am |
re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist
The fact that the national media is descending on (relatively) sleepy State College with moral outrage in tow is understandably inspiring some perhaps ill-thought-out solidarity, as well.
I lived in Bloomington when they fired Bobby Knight, who unlike Paterno was at that point a bonafide loser who hadn't been any good since the freshman class was in diapers. But the kids rioted anyway.
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erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:52:49am |
re: #71 zora
grand jury report.
You do not want to read this. It is awful beyond anything that you might have guessed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:52:50am |
re: #69 neilk
While I'm pointing fingers at hollywood Twitter morons, let's not leave out Alec Baldwin, who apparently does not know the difference between "sex" and "child rape".
If Whoopi says this wasn't 'rape-rape', I'm going to hurl.
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zora Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:55:57am |
re: #74 erik_t
i read up until page three. it's heartbreaking what happened to those boys.
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:57:51am |
re: #72 RadicalModerate
And if he said Fox News people dumbed themselves down, I'd agree.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:58:24am |
re: #70 000G
It's really weird that you refuse to acknowledge that somebody else's wrongdoings do not give you permission to be a bigot.
It's really weird that you purposefully miss the point. But yes, I am opposed to those who sell out their entire group for their own advancement in repulsive and hypocritical ways. If that category in of itself is a protected race or religion to be bigoted against, then yes I am guilty - though your use of the word indicates that you don't know what it means.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:59:15am |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
9_9
I guess the same proportion of women groped by Herman Cain will end up thinking they are heterosexual.
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neilk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:00:08pm |
re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist
You don't have to defend Polanski to say there's no connection between his sexual abuse and Sandusky's. The comparison is too flattering to Sandusky.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:00:18pm |
re: #59 Obdicut
Kids blame themselves. I'm not sure if it's purely 'natural' or how our society teaches stuff, but kids blame themselves for the negative things that happen to them. They feel guilty when you harm them.
I think it's a way for them to hold their world together, as horrific as that sounds. I think to children the idea that they are themselves to blame is a form of self-abuse that gives them somewhat the feeling of being in control again after their world has been shattered by forces they had formerly trusted to hold it together: adults. If they blame themselves, the world is still shattered, but at least they are somehow in control of it (that's the delusion), which I think is easier to deal with than the idea that there are adults out there who get a kick out of torturing children (the truth).
I think in a way this way of dealing with having been tortured seems to happen the way it does because children are very self-centered to begin with. For them to think that everything around them happens because of them or for them is rather common, even with positive or neutral things.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:02:33pm |
I will quit this after a serious question to those who are purposefully missing the point.
If you claim to support the rights of a given group to be the same as those of everyone else - like say women or blacks or members of a certain religion - and I most certainly do support that - do you feel that this then makes members of that group who sell out completely and act against that group immune to criticism for their wrong doings?
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
And finally, if you somehow don't see that, then why do you refuse to consider it?
I sense a lot of fake feminism.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:03:48pm |
re: #78 LudwigVanQuixote
It's really weird that you purposefully miss the point.
Heh. Projection. It is you who misses the point.
But yes, I am opposed to those who sell out their entire group for their own advancement in repulsive and hypocritical ways.
Which isn't the point.
If that category in of itself is a protected race or religion to be bigoted against, then yes I am guilty - though your use of the word indicates that you don't know what it means.
I am well aware of what the term means, thank you. You, however, in your rage against "protected groups" and "political correctness" seem to be a little unclear on the meaning of the term. Let me help you out. From Merriam Webster Online's definition of the word bigot:
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
Now go back and read Obdicut's posts adresssed to you very carefully.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:04:39pm |
re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote
criticism for their wrong doings?
Your "criticism" deserves that word as much as Rush's garbage does.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:08:27pm |
re: #83 000G
Amazing how in that response you projected projection.
I have no "rage against protected groups." I have disgust at members of those groups who sell out and hurt those groups. How was that not clear?
Ohh it was...
That is why you needed to invent things.
I don't even have rage against you or the PC police here. Frustration at obtuseness, but no rage.
So let's try again...
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:10:45pm |
re: #84 000G
Your "criticism" deserves that word as much as Rush's garbage does.
"I won't think! I won't think!" he cries.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:11:11pm |
re: #80 neilk
You don't have to defend Polanski to say there's no connection between his sexual abuse and Sandusky's. The comparison is too flattering to Sandusky.
I didn't particularly mean to pit Polanski and Sandusky against one another. More a comment on the surreal ability of some people to not quite get what the fuck they are talking about.
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leftynyc Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:23:54pm |
re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote
And I sense someone who simply cannot admit he/she is wrong or is unable to accept anyone not agreeing with your position. Speaking just for myself, it's annoying.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:26:48pm |
re: #89 leftynyc
And I sense someone who simply cannot admit he/she is wrong or is unable to accept anyone not agreeing with your position. Speaking just for myself, it's annoying.
The other position is not clearly stated. I am also very used to people disagreeing with me and more than once I have been convinced by the other side.
So, if this is so simple to you then please answer me...
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
And one final part, do you think those women should have any responsibility for helping to take down women's rights in general for all women?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:39:08pm |
re: #72 RadicalModerate
Not to defend Ludwig, but the FoxNews women "dumbing themselves down" to fit a particular narrative isn't exactly new. Jon Stewart had a great bit on it a couple years ago where he called out Gretchen Carlson for engaging in exactly this behavior.
Jon Stewart Calls Out Gretchen Carlson For "Dumbing Herself Down" (VIDEO)
Not to defend me... I know that would be impolitic even if true...but thank you for an example of my precise point.
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leftynyc Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:53:02pm |
re: #90 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't watch faux and I don't listen to rush. That said, you started this whole train running by comparing the faux news blonds to prostitutes. Not only is that an insult to prostitutes, it's exactly the kind of thing a right winger would say about a woman they disapproved of - like calling these women accusing Cain of gold digging. Is it really so hard to see those are EXACTLY the same?
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leftynyc Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:54:38pm |
re: #90 LudwigVanQuixote
And the answer to your last question is no. The only person I put that burden on is myself.
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TedStriker Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:06:32pm |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Americans for Truth look at the real horror at PSU:
How Many Boy Victims of Penn State Homosexual Predator Jerry Sandusky Will End Up Thinking They are 'Gay'?Thats right, its the evil gays behind it all.
What a bunch of bigoted fuckheads...
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nines09 Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:41:02pm |
Joe Paterno owns State College. Cult of personality. If some one came to him and said they saw Jerry with a 10 year old boy in the shower that would be enough to ask Jerry about it. Like Joe didn't see Jerry around the campus. "Hey. Jerry. I heard...." Or, "Hey, Jerry? Heard you was in contact with a boy in the shower? Want to tell me about it?" Or; "Jerry. I'm calling the cops if you don't come clean." He didn't. Just think it was your kid. Or the neighbors kid. Or you at 10.
Now about Effwad RushBlo;
Just the thought of anyone anywhere near making laws or policy for our Nation even remotely considering one thing that falls out of the filthy mouth of this total asshat is enough to write them off. John Boehner seeking approval from this pile of horse shit speaks volumes about Johns' moral compass and his brain process. Speaker of the House looking for love from a former drug abuser who wanted all drug abusers locked up. and spoke about it incessantly on his show? Until he got popped? And hat is only the tip of the iceberg of this jackal. What a joke. Grifters and drifters and tools and drools. Best money can buy. I want to hear the slam as they hit the ground.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:49:13pm |
re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote
Amazing how in that response you projected projection.
I have no "rage against protected groups."
I didn't say that. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Hint: Mind where the quote signs are. It's not the groups I accused you of raging against. It's the concept of there supposedly being protected groups. Your self-perception as being righteously indignant blinds you towards your own bigotry.
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
Reread #17 and #23, Ludwig. You are still not getting it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:18:39pm |
re: #93 leftynyc
And the answer to your last question is no. The only person I put that burden on is myself.
So you are dodging the heart of it? OK...
re: #96 000G
No I get it quite fine. You are just wrong and floundering. If I am defending women's rights and feminism, I am clearly not being a bigot against women. You, like any other dogmatist refuses to see the obvious connections at the core of the matter. Let's try one more time... please try to answer this, the words aren't that big:
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
re: #92 leftynyc
It is not exactly the same because the activities in question and the motives behind the criticism are completely different.
For example, in his original condescending and ill thought out lecture to me, Obdicut complained that
"Do Fox News women use their sexuality? Sure. Does Natalie Portman? Yep. Are either of them 'sex workers'? No. Is actually being a 'sex worker' some terrible moral thing? No."
Well here is a major difference:
Natalie Portman has demonstrated intelligence and talent and if she does a racy scene is clearly doing so as part of a story, in a movie, which is not meant to sell a certain deluded vision of politics that hurts women. Natalie Portman is not out there using her bod to appear scantily clad in support of a movement that wants to show that women are just pretty little heads and other parts. Fox is the exact opposite.
The problem here is that people are unwilling to call bad behavior what it is.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:21:06pm |
So Jimmah, I know you looked at this just to express your displeasure... and so did Ice, but...
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
And here is the really pertinent question for you:
Do you think those women should have any responsibility for helping to take down women's rights in general for all women?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:31:30pm |
I take it, from your dinging, that you don't believe that women have personal responsibility for their behavior then Ice.
This is very curious. You are rightly all over men behaving themselves in this arena (as am I!) but one place where we differ is that I think the rules apply to both genders.
| 100 |
Jimmah Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:35:45pm |
re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote
Nothing to say hee except to direct you to posts 17 and 23 by Obdicut to remind you what the issue with your posts is here.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:43:17pm |
re: #100 Jimmah
Nothing to say hee except to direct you to posts 17 and 23 by Obdicut to remind you what the issue with your posts is here.
Then you need to learn to read more carefully.
Are you suggesting that using one's sexuality professionally does not constitute sex work? I mean they really do sit on a couch in short skirts with a camera poised to reveal a tease crotch shot. Does that really not count?
Further, the complaint is not with the sex work per se, but rather what it is in service of and the repulsive irony of it. That could not be more clear.
However, you and others seem even now incapable of addressing that main issue:
Let's try again:
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
And you people have the gall to lecture me.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:01pm |
The Shoveler keeps digging.
| 103 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:13pm |
re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote
If I am defending women's rights and feminism, I am clearly not being a bigot against women.
But you're not defending women's rights and feminism.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:45:20pm |
re: #102 goddamnedfrank
No slightly different...
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
Rather than quipping... can you answer that?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:45:49pm |
re: #101 LudwigVanQuixote
And you people have the gall to lecture me.
Like then like now, Ludwig.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 106 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:46:32pm |
re: #103 000G
But you're not defending women's rights and feminism.
And still no answer...
OK... I've made the point, and your refusal to address the issues has made your stance (and hypocrisy) clear. This is now old.. I officially quit the topic
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:47:31pm |
re: #105 000G
Like then like now, Ludwig.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Yes same point - but phrased without the incendiary language. Do you dare to address it?
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
| 108 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:47:52pm |
re: #106 LudwigVanQuixote
And still no answer...
Because I refuse to participate in your stupid little diversion game. You didn't get the initial point and you refuse to acknowledge it. Your willful ignorance stinks to high heaven. Good for you for quitting rather than continuing this sham.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:50:12pm |
re: #108 000G
Because I refuse your stupid little diversion game. You didn't get the initial point and you refuse to acknowledge it. Your willful ignorance stinks to high heaven. Good for you for quitting rather than continuing this sham.
Sham?
Have you ever actually watched Fox News?
Are you suggesting that using one's sexuality professionally does not constitute sex work? I mean they really do sit on a couch in short skirts with a camera poised to reveal a tease crotch shot. Does that really not count?
Further, the complaint is not with the sex work per se, but rather what it is in service of and the repulsive irony of it. That could not be more clear.
Is that so hard to read?
So let's try again, because it is hardly a diversion:
In the case of right wing misogyny, do you really think that the image of women presented on Fox is not the exact counterpart to the views of them demonstrated by the likes of Rush? Do you really not see how those are two sides of the same coin?
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:03:54pm |
re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote
Are you suggesting that using one's sexuality professionally does not constitute sex work?
No, it really does not. It's not "sex work" when Fox News anchors do it any more than when pharmaceutical reps, real estate agents, or anybody in sales (which is what Fox News is, a sales vehicle for advertising) does it. It's sales, the men sell their sexuality too, check out Anderson Cooper's tight shirts, it doesn't make them "sex workers" because they're not actually in the business of having sex or getting you off. Their sexuality is just another thing to be leveraged in their job selling media, a tool in their kit.
I mean they really do sit on a couch in short skirts with a camera poised to reveal a tease crotch shot. Does that really not count?
Jesus Christ you're obsessed with skirts and crotch shots. I can't describe how insanely off putting this fixation has gotten over time. Get the hell over it. No, it doesn't "count," Fox News ladies aren't sex workers, Sharon Stone isn't a sex worker, nude models aren't sex workers. The fact that the audience gets turned on, even when it's intentional, doesn't make it sex.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:11:57pm |
re: #110 goddamnedfrank
No, it really does not. It's not "sex work" when Fox News anchors do it any more than when pharmaceutical reps, real estate agents, or anybody in sales (which is what Fox News is, a sales vehicle for advertising) does it. It's sales, the men sell their sexuality too, check out Anderson Cooper's tight shirts, it doesn't make them "sex workers" because they're not actually in the business of having sex or getting you off. Their sexuality is just another thing to be leveraged in their job selling media, a tool in their kit.
Jesus Christ you're obsessed with skirts and crotch shots. I can't describe how insanely off putting this fixation has gotten over time. Get the hell over it. No, it doesn't "count," Fox News ladies aren't sex workers, Sharon Stone isn't a sex worker, nude models aren't sex workers. The fact that the audience gets turned on, even when it's intentional, doesn't make it sex.
I don't have a fixation with it. I have sadness and amusement at the denial going on.
So here really is the last thing I will say and then I must quit this silly exchange.
By trivializing sex and making female sexuality into a marketing ploy - for removing women's rights no less - we create and perpetuate an environment where abusing women is less likely to be pursued.
None of you so called defenders of womanhood get that. It's tragic.
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allegro Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:49:02pm |
re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote
None of you so called defenders of womanhood get that. It's tragic.
You entitled little fuck. You have no idea what it is to be a woman in this world. Bless your privileged little heart that your "integrity" could remain so pure to enable you to so emphatically declare women who use what they've got to make a living - whatever that living may be - as "repulsive" evil creatures so worthy of your dripping contempt.
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Egregious Philbin Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:15:31pm |
Poor Rush, probably hasn't gotten laid in about 8 years.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:21:00pm |
re: #112 allegro
You entitled little fuck. You have no idea what it is to be a woman in this world. Bless your privileged little heart that your "integrity" could remain so pure to enable you to so emphatically declare women who use what they've got to make a living - whatever that living may be - as "repulsive" evil creatures so worthy of your dripping contempt.
And yet I said none of that. That is pure projection.
My complaint is about certain women, who are knowingly part of a sleazy production, who are knowingly promoting an agenda that strips women of their rights. One would think that feminism, a movement that is supposed to be about women having the same rights and abilities as men, and being seen as such - and not as sex objects - would make that complaint a slam dunk.
However, your virulent and simply inappropriate response does raise an interesting question. Do you think women are incapable of standing on their own merits for their brains and abilities or will they always be forced to "use what they've got to make a living?" And if you think that is so, who is denigrating women? Hint, it isn't me. Or, are you one of those women who hates the double standard except for when it works for them?
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iceweasel Fri, Nov 11, 2011 5:15:31am |
It's nice to see so much misogyny on a thread about misogyny.
Ludwig, allegro, goddamned frank and others have already stated all you need to know.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Nov 11, 2011 5:18:06am |
Long story short: If you as a woman do not conform to the views of some self-righteous male of how you as a female, representative of your group, should behave and think, especially concerning the appropriate use of your own personal sexuality, you have no more right to your own personal sexuality and you deserve to receive the full frontal assault of being called a slut, a sex-worker, a whore, whatever it takes to portray you as gutter filth – denigrating not you personally but everyone actually holding respectable positions in the sex work industry. And that self-righteous male will do so while patting himself on the back for fighting for womens' rights.
Pathetic.
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