Texas DMV Rejects Confederate Flag License Plate

Pro-slavery license plate denied
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Last month we reported that the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles was actually considering the approval of an objectively pro-slavery license plate, prominently featuring the Confederate flag. Today we’re glad to announce that the Texas DMV board voted unanimously to reject the design, after two hours of public testimony in which opponents of the plate far outnumbered supporters.

Supporters of the plates, including Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, argued that it would honor Confederate soldiers and would not be an endorsement of the Confederate government.

“Tens of thousands of Texans marched into battle behind that flag, and we are here to commemorate the soldiers, not the politicians,” Patterson told the board on Thursday.

Ray James, past commander of the Texas Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, pointed out that the issue was up for consideration on the day before Veterans Day.

“These veterans need to be honored, too,” James, whose organization requested the plate, told the board.

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480 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:58:40pm

Why does Texas hate America?

2 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:59:42pm

The mouthbreathing neo-confederates will get their panties in a bunch about this.

3 Kronocide  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:59:56pm

Any chance of an NAACP license plate being approved in Texas?

4 jaunte  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:01:10pm

Jerry Patterson anticipating a lot of Confederate veterans will
vote for him.

5 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:02:58pm
“These veterans need to be honored, too,” James, whose organization requested the plate, told the board.

I respect the emotion of the soldiers who signed up in order to protect their land from an invading army, but the South was very, very, very clear that it was seceding in order to preserve slavery. That was the issue mentioned in every single seceding document.

And that flag stood for that government, one formed after those states seceded. It did not stand for those veterans any more than the US flag stands for US veterans or the Nazi flag stands for German veterans of WWII.

6 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:07:04pm

sorry, texas land commissioner, black people live in your state too

now please fuck off

7 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:08:06pm

re: #5 Obdicut

I respect the emotion of the soldiers who signed up in order to protect their land from an invading army, but the South was very, very, very clear that it was seceding in order to preserve slavery. That was the issue mentioned in every single seceding document.

And that flag stood for that government, one formed after those states seceded. It did not stand for those veterans any more than the US flag stands for US veterans or the Nazi flag stands for German veterans of WWII.

Also the Stars and Bars wasn't just a symbol of the Confederate Government, but it was the chosen symbol of the KKK and the fight to maintain segregation.

8 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:08:46pm

re: #7 aagcobb

Also the Stars and Bars wasn't just a symbol of the Confederate Government, but it was the chosen symbol of the KKK and the fight to maintain segregation.

And has been used over and over and over again by other racists and other racist organizations.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:09:14pm

“Tens of thousands of Texans marched into battle behind that flag, and we are here to commemorate the soldiers, not the politicians,” Patterson told the board on Thursday.

“These veterans need to be honored, too,” James, whose organization requested the plate, told the board.

Uh, no.

Descendents and historical societies may go ahead and remember and honor Confederate veterans if they wish. (Although I will now forever associate Civil War research groups with the scene in True Blood where they invite Sookie's vampire boyfriend to speak about his experiences during the war.)

However, the Confederacy was a cause that was, at its heart, vile and mistaken. It was an uprising against the elected government of the United States of America. It was a nation created for the sole reason of preserving, promoting, and spreading a particularly nasty form of race-based chattel slavery. Its memory has been cherished for generations by racists with a bad attitude. And it also got its ass kicked. Vae victis.

Not only is the State of Texas not obligated to lend credibility to the cause of the Confederacy by honoring her veterans, I would say that they are morally prohibited from doing so.

10 jaunte  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:09:31pm

Patterson is trying to make sure he has a lock on the 2014 victimized white male vote.

Jerry Patterson confirmed Tuesday night that he will run for lieutenant governor in 2014, making that announcement just hours after Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said he'll run for U.S. Senate in 2012.
...
“I’m an Aggie, a veteran, a gun owner and a Texan that doesn’t like being told that government knows best,” Patterson said. “I’m not some carefully crafted candidate managed by handlers and consultants. I say what I mean and do what I say. That is my only platform.”
...
Patterson’s national exposure has included the Rush Limbaugh show, the Sean Hannity show, ABC’s Nightline, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC among others.
Patterson Confirms He'll Run for Lieutenant Governor

11 theheat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:10:53pm

Go ahead and honor these people soldiers. In private. If you knew them, they were family, and they meant something to you, go right ahead.

But don't splatter the idea of a righteous fucking Confederacy all over every car's ass end to celebrate being a racist fucking hillbilly, because it's goddamned impolite. And I know how these Southerners value being polite.

12 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:11:21pm

ironically...freed blacks made their way to west Texas and became the backbone of the emerging cattle business...they were the best cow punchers, by far

13 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:11:58pm

I love when a call gets postponed for 3 days, then they decide during the call to put out a tasker that needs to be done before business starts Monday, especially after the whole East Coast team leaves for the long weekend.

ASSHOLES

14 Kronocide  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:12:04pm
I’m not some carefully crafted candidate managed by handlers and consultants.

Brilliant idea. That's working out well for The Herminator.

15 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:12:27pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

Why does Texas hate America?

Wait a sec. Now you know many Texans as "confederate bigots" assumptions are dead wrong.

""Today we’re glad to announce that the Texas DMV board voted unanimously to reject the design, after two hours of public testimony in which opponents of the plate far outnumbered supporters.""

16 jaunte  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:13:06pm

re: #14 BigPapa

Yet another Maverick, standing alone.

17 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:13:40pm

Killgore, did you see Elizabeth Warren's pushback against Karl Rove's attack ad over OWS?: [Link: www.thebostonchannel.com...]

18 Kronocide  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:13:53pm

re: #16 jaunte

Yet another Maverick, standing alone.

Drink!

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:15:06pm

re: #5 Obdicut

I respect the emotion of the soldiers who signed up in order to protect their land from an invading army, but the South was very, very, very clear that it was seceding in order to preserve slavery. That was the issue mentioned in every single seceding document.

And that flag stood for that government, one formed after those states seceded. It did not stand for those veterans any more than the US flag stands for US veterans or the Nazi flag stands for German veterans of WWII.

The "argument" you will hear is that they use the St Andrews cross flag to honor the veterans since that was used as the CSA battle flag. Their actual national flag was easily confused with the US flag due to similar design features (blue field, red and white stripes).

That the St Andrews flag design has been co-opted by racists and bigots for decades of course has absolutely nothing to do with why it is used for many of the proposed license plate designs rather than the proper CSA flag. (Though I believe that SCV plates approved in other states do incorporate it.)

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:15:35pm

re: #5 Obdicut

I respect the emotion of the soldiers who signed up in order to protect their land from an invading army, but the South was very, very, very clear that it was seceding in order to preserve slavery. That was the issue mentioned in every single seceding document.

And that flag stood for that government, one formed after those states seceded. It did not stand for those veterans any more than the US flag stands for US veterans or the Nazi flag stands for German veterans of WWII.

Someone said, earlier, when we were discussing this: Texans marched into battle behind a Mexican flag too. But they're not gonna have a Mexican flag license plate to honor those vets. And we're friendly with Mexico now, as opposed to having utterly destroyed it.

End of story. No flag license plates honoring nations for fighting against the United States.

21 Charleston Chew  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:15:46pm

The problem with the elaborate rationalizing of why it's okay to put the flag on license plates is that license plates don't come with asterisks or footnotes.

22 Kronocide  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:15:51pm

Fail WINNER!

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:16:06pm

re: #7 aagcobb

Also the Stars and Bars wasn't just a symbol of the Confederate Government, but it was the chosen symbol of the KKK and the fight to maintain segregation.

This. If it ever just meant the Confederacy in isolation, brother, it doesn't now.

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:17:03pm

I'm a proud Virginian but I'll never understand celebrating the CSA and what it stood for ever. Period.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:17:42pm

re: #12 albusteve

ironically...freed blacks made their way to west Texas and became the backbone of the emerging cattle business...they were the best cow punchers, by far

I don't know that that's strictly ironic. Free people go where they've got a chance of making a living and a nice life for themselves. That was Texas at the time, for some.

26 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:18:18pm

Dumb, conservative confederates.

Assholes.

/Schadenfreude

27 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:18:26pm

The license plate idea was wisely shot down, and by a unanimous vote. How does that translate into "Texas hates America"?

But it's a stretch to call the proposed plates "pro-slavery". The confederate army has an inherently romantic story: outnumbered, out-technologied, and fighting for an unworthy cause, in the end the union soldiers who overwhelmed it were all for reconciliation.

Part of reconciliation is a willingness to find something, somewhere, that is worthy and admirable on the other side of the fight. The spirit of sacrifice and courage in the face of adversity that animated the confederate soldiers, a spirit also in evidence across the line amongst enough Yankees to get the job done, turns out to have been that "something".

The idea of the proponents of these plates might have been to honor slavery, but more likely it was that they could sever the cause from the spirit and honor the spirit without honoring the cause.

Perhaps it could be done, but not with license plates. No context, no explanation, no acknowledgment of the dark heart of the confederate war aim, and in everybody's face---no way.

28 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:20:37pm

It's one thing to celebrate your ancestor's individual sacrifice. Quite another to expect tax payers to fund a license plate that commemorates an army that was formed to protest slave interests.

29 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:20:47pm

re: #27 lostlakehiker

The license plate idea was wisely shot down, and by a unanimous vote. How does that translate into "Texas hates America"?

But it's a stretch to call the proposed plates "pro-slavery". The confederate army has an inherently romantic story: outnumbered, out-technologied, and fighting for an unworthy cause, in the end the union soldiers who overwhelmed it were all for reconciliation.

Part of reconciliation is a willingness to find something, somewhere, that is worthy and admirable on the other side of the fight. The spirit of sacrifice and courage in the face of adversity that animated the confederate soldiers, a spirit also in evidence across the line amongst enough Yankees to get the job done, turns out to have been that "something".

The idea of the proponents of these plates might have been to honor slavery, but more likely it was that they could sever the cause from the spirit and honor the spirit without honoring the cause.

Perhaps it could be done, but not with license plates. No context, no explanation, no acknowledgment of the dark heart of the confederate war aim, and in everybody's face---no way.

I agree. If they want to honor Texas Veterans, create a plate that honors all Texas Veterans of all wars they fought in.

30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:21:32pm

re: #27 lostlakehiker

The license plate idea was wisely shot down, and by a unanimous vote. How does that translate into "Texas hates America"?

But it's a stretch to call the proposed plates "pro-slavery".

No, it isn't.

They were not only pro-slavery, but anti-black, anti-every-other-minority, and pro whites-only rule by lethal, state-sponsored force.

In other words, states rights.

31 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:22:33pm

re: #29 aagcobb

I agree. If they want to honor Texas Veterans, create a plate that honors all Texas Veterans of all wars they fought in.

assholes invaded NM Territory illegally twice for their own gain....screw them

32 Charleston Chew  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:22:37pm

When will people in the South simply accept that:

1. Fighting for the right to keep slaves makes you the baddies.

2. You lost.

3. It was a long time ago so it wasn't really "you" at all so get over it.

33 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:23:06pm

One more piece of good progressive news this week.

34 jaunte  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:23:11pm

re: #29 aagcobb

I agree. If they want to honor Texas Veterans, create a plate that honors all Texas Veterans of all wars they fought in.

There are a few of those:
[Link: www.thebolthole.com...]

35 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:23:42pm

re: #32 Charleston Chew

When will people in the South simply accept that:

1. Fighting for the right to keep slaves makes you the baddies.

2. You lost.

3. It was a long time ago so get over it.

Yes, this.

36 Charleston Chew  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:24:35pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Yes, this.

I edited the 3rd part slightly.

37 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:25:10pm

re: #32 Charleston Chew

When will people in the South simply accept that:

1. Fighting for the right to keep slaves makes you the baddies.

2. You lost.

3. It was a long time ago so get over it.

THAT IS NOT PART OF RECONCILING!

RECONCILE WITH ME! Even though I hate being part of this country when it means I do not get to RULE!!!!

Stupid wingnuts.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:26:20pm

re: #36 Charleston Chew

I edited the 3rd part slightly.

Well the get over part is something I agree strongly on. I mean most of my family wasn't even in this country at that point. Only relative that was that I know was my German great great grandfather who fought for the union as a member of a Pennsylvania regiment.

39 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:27:09pm

re: #32 Charleston Chew

When will people in the South simply accept that:

1. Fighting for the right to keep slaves makes you the baddies.

2. You lost.

3. It was a long time ago so get over it.

Nevuh Sir, Nevuh, the glorious South shall rise again! (excuse me whilst I adjust my pants, they is feelin a bit tight up front just now)

40 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:27:59pm

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you heard of these folks before? How bad are they?
Young U.S. Jews aim 'occupy' movement at Birthright Israel
Members of youth section of Jewish Voice for Peace disrupt New York event sponsored by Birthright, calling the program 'free propaganda trips for predominantly middle and upper class American Jews.'

A the various "occupy" movements spread across the United States, headed by the massive Occupy Wall Street events, a group of young Jewish Americans is taking the notion of the "99%" against the ruling "1%" to debunk what they see as the hypocritical U.S. Jewish leadership.

In a mission statement titled "Occupy the Occupiers: A Jewish Call to Action," the Young, Jewish, and Proud (YJP), described as the youth wing of the left-leaning Jewish Voice for Peace movement, called out to young Jews to "stand up to the 1% in our own community, the powerful institutions that support Israel’s corporate-backed military control of the Palestinian people and act as the gatekeepers for our community."

From the wiki page Jewish Voice for Peace they look pretty bad but not terrible. Any thoughts?

41 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:28:27pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Well the get over part is something I agree strongly on. I mean most of my family wasn't even in this country at that point. Only relative that was that I know was my German great great grandfather who fought for the union as a member of a Pennsylvania regiment.

And it's just certain people in the South who need to get over it, not the entirety of the population.

42 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:29:07pm

re: #41 oaktree

And it's just certain people in the South who need to get over it, not the entirety of the population.

Yep.

43 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:29:28pm

re: #41 oaktree

And it's just certain people in the South who need to get over it, not the entirety of the population.

oh no...they are all raging, conservative asshole racists

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:29:38pm

re: #27 lostlakehiker

The idea of the proponents of these plates might have been to honor slavery, but more likely it was that they could sever the cause from the spirit and honor the spirit without honoring the cause.

Agree with some of what you're saying here, but not this. I do not think the point was to honor slavery per se, but it was, inherently, to honor not only the cause, but the behavior of those who have used that cause in every generation to justify racism, violence, and godawful whininess.

They're trying to legitimize the Confederacy, and the godawful baggage that goes with that flag, including some recent dumbass talk out of Texas about another try at secession, and it's not OK.

The truest mark of reconciliation for me is that in the years since the war, Texans of all colors have fought in some much better wars, and some bad ones too, under the flag of the United States of America. Let's stick with that one.

(Realize you are not supporting the license plate, just feel you're giving a little too much credibility to the slimy, doubletalking SOBs trying to push this through.)

45 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:30:21pm

re: #43 albusteve

oh no...they are all raging, conservative asshole racists

Incorrect. That would be the Margaret Sanger kkk progressive Democrat party of the plantation.

46 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:30:56pm

re: #43 albusteve

oh no...they are all raging, conservative asshole racists

I'm sorry you feel that way Steve.

47 Charleston Chew  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:31:44pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Well the get over part is something I agree strongly on. I mean most of my family wasn't even in this country at that point. Only relative that was that I know was my German great great grandfather who fought for the union as a member of a Pennsylvania regiment.

I just mean that there's no shame for someone from the South to agree that slavery and the Confederacy's war to keep it was simply just bad, because nobody alive today had any say in the matter so there's no reason to take a dispassionate analysis of history as a personal insult.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:32:03pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Have you heard of these folks before? How bad are they?
Young U.S. Jews aim 'occupy' movement at Birthright Israel
Members of youth section of Jewish Voice for Peace disrupt New York event sponsored by Birthright, calling the program 'free propaganda trips for predominantly middle and upper class American Jews.'

From the wiki page Jewish Voice for Peace they look pretty bad but not terrible. Any thoughts?

JVP is vile. Their agenda looks pretty mild, but they will ally with some very, very ugly people.

49 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:32:18pm

re: #46 oaktree

that's steve's sarcasm.

50 Charleston Chew  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:32:36pm

re: #39 ausador

Nevuh Sir, Nevuh, the glorious South shall rise again! (excuse me whilst I adjust my pants, they is feelin a bit tight up front just now)

Foghorn Leghorn?

51 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:32:42pm

re: #27 lostlakehiker

The confederate army has an inherently romantic story:

You have a funny idea of romance.

And by "funny", I mean "sick and twisted".

52 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:32:47pm

THEY'RE ALL NAZIS!!!

What were we talking about anyways?

53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:33:09pm

re: #46 oaktree

I'm sorry you feel that way Steve.

He's just butthurt because Obdi called some confederate cons "assholes" last night.

Boo hoo. e_e

54 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:33:42pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

JVP is vile. Their agenda looks pretty mild, but they will ally with some very, very ugly people.

Ok, it's really hard to tell from the info available. I know a lot of these lefty Jewish groups hide a pretty ugly agenda behind some nice language. Thanks.

55 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:33:51pm

re: #53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He's just butthurt because Obdi called some confederate cons "assholes" last night.

Boo hoo. e_e

I've never been butthurt...please stay away from butt

56 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:33:52pm

re: #53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He's just butthurt because Obdi called some confederate cons "assholes" last night.

Boo hoo. e_e

Some are dicks.

57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:34:20pm

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THEY'RE ALL NAZIS!!!

What were we talking about anyways?

We were talking about dumb white confederate conservatives, who just got their butts handed to them again. lol

58 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:34:48pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

JVP is vile. Their agenda looks pretty mild, but they will ally with some very, very ugly people.

JVP would be okay if they lived up to their goals and mission statements. They don't. They support anti-democratic crap in the name of democracy. Their divestment campaign also makes no goddamn sense.

59 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:35:00pm

re: #55 albusteve

I've never been butthurt...please stay away from butt

Sniff-sniffle, Obdi called conservatives "assholes" it's NOT FAIR!!

Boo hoo.

60 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:35:46pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Some are dicks.

Lol some are butthurt.

61 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:36:19pm

re: #59 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sniff-sniffle, Obdi called conservatives "assholes" it's NOT FAIR!!

Boo hoo.

actually, the spoof is on your tired, worn out meme...but you knew that
who's butthurt?

62 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:37:44pm

re: #61 albusteve

actually, the spoof is on your tired, worn out meme...but you knew that
who's butthurt?

You are very easily manipulated.

63 jaunte  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:38:39pm

Episode CCLXXII: Sandhill cranes are prettier than you

64 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:39:04pm

I think all the elected representatives in Texas who wanted that license plate should be required to get the confederate flag tattooed on their necks.

65 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:39:30pm

Here's the ADL article for those who are interested: Backgrounder: Jewish Voice for Peace

JVP, like other prominent Jewish anti-Zionist individuals and groups, uses its Jewish identity to shield the anti-Israel movement from allegations of anti-Semitism and provide it with a greater degree of legitimacy and credibility. JVP even recognizes its role as such, noting on its Web site that it is "inspired by Jewish tradition" and that the group's Jewish nature gives it a "particular legitimacy in voicing an alternative view of American and Israeli actions and policies" and the ability to distinguish "between real anti-Semitism and the cynical manipulation of that issue."

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:39:45pm

re: #58 Obdicut

JVP would be okay if they lived up to their goals and mission statements. They don't. They support anti-democratic crap in the name of democracy. Their divestment campaign also makes no goddamn sense.

In contrast, I think of Brit Shalom v'Tzedek as pretty legit, although I don't know what their status is now that they've merged into J-Street. Not BDSers, support a two-state resolution, don't hang out with scum that I've ever heard of.

67 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:40:33pm

Butthurt is known to happen when manipulating the asshole.

68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:41:30pm

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Butthurt is known to happen when when manipulating the asshole.

Lol well, one form of butthurt, anyway. There are others.

69 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:42:46pm

re: #68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol well, one form of butthurt, anyway. There are others.

I was speaking metaphorically.

Perv.

70 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:43:10pm

re: #32 Charleston Chew

When will people in the South simply accept that:

1. Fighting for the right to keep slaves makes you the baddies.

2. You lost.

3. It was a long time ago so it wasn't really "you" at all so get over it.

(1) My ancestors fought on both sides.
(2) My birth state, and the state where I grew up, won. From my perspective, we, the North, won.
(3) It was indeed a long time ago, and most everybody has got over it.

"We" (new perspective, new home) don't want to bring slavery back. "We" don't think it would be a good idea now, nor that it was a good idea then, nor that "we" might win next time around, nor that secession, if it could be had without a fight, would be anything but a frightful mistake.

Look at the content of the story. "We" had a meeting. "We" discussed the proposal. "We" voted--to avoid a move that would certainly have given needless offense.

And we have voted, with our lives, in every one of America's wars since then. On your side, if you missed that point.

71 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:43:40pm

re: #17 000G

Killgore, did you see Elizabeth Warren's pushback against Karl Rove's attack ad over OWS?: [Link: www.thebostonchannel.com...]

i see tons of people trying to father their personal pet agenda on OWS, from "anarchists" and doctrinaire marxists to right wing politicians and commentators ("they should be protesting big gummint"), while another group of folks are projecting their fears onto it

it's become a giant media whatzit or macguffin that is serviceable for any number of agendas

i really like elizabeth warren's point of view on it

72 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:43:54pm

LOL@"Peaceful" hippies
Protesters withdraw resolution to remain peaceful

In Oakland, Occupy protesters gathered Wednesday night and voted to withdraw a resolution calling for future demonstrators to remain peaceful.

C'mon, OWS fans. This is not going to work out in your favor.

73 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:45:39pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Better to root for macing?

74 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:46:53pm

re: #73 000G

Better to root for macing?

Only at Penn State

75 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:47:20pm

re: #73 000G

Better to root for macing?

Mace won't crack your head open...I think that was the point

76 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:48:29pm

re: #17 000G

Killgore, did you see Elizabeth Warren's pushback against Karl Rove's attack ad over OWS?: [Link: www.thebostonchannel.com...]

Sorry, I didn't see that post until just now. I don't have much of an opinion on Warren or Rove. As a campaign technique I think it was a mistake for Dems to voice too much support for OWS, Republicans are going to use it against them. It could do damage if public opinion of OWS goes down the tubes.

77 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:48:40pm

Life < - > Art < - > Crazy

Mike Tyson as Herman Cain:

Youtube Video
78 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:49:10pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

LOL@"Peaceful" hippies
Protesters withdraw resolution to remain peaceful

C'mon, OWS fans. This is not going to work out in your favor.

They've been fighting over it. I have a couple of friends who are very active in Occupy Oakland, and there's been a lot of back-and-forth about this. Some people in the group (NOT people I am friends with on Facebook) feel very strongly that they want language that leaves the possibility of violence open.

If I were involved, I would vote with the Black Panther that Time Magazine interviewed: "These anarchists are going to f--- this up; we need to stop them by any means necessary," he says, making a slicing motion with his hand.

79 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:49:53pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

You have a funny idea of romance.

And by "funny", I mean "sick and twisted".

Thanks. But you might consider the popularity of the Ted Turner Gettysburg movie. Is Turner a pervert? His audience, an audience of perverts? It's quite an accusation.

80 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:50:39pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

Life < - > Art < - > Crazy

Mike Tyson as Herman Cain:

[Video]

Crazy as a shit-house rat. Loved that.

81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:51:36pm

re: #70 lostlakehiker

(1) My ancestors fought on both sides.
(2) My birth state, and the state where I grew up, won.

Then looks like you have something to prove.

82 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:51:50pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

If I were involved, I would vote with the Black Panther that Time Magazine interviewed: "These anarchists are going to f--- this up; we need to stop them by any means necessary," he says, making a slicing motion with his hand.

Heh, I've been saying that for a long time and was accused of spreading Breitbart propaganda. The truth has been revealed I was spreading Black Panther propaganda this whole time!

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:52:46pm

re: #79 lostlakehiker

Thanks. But you might consider the popularity of the Ted Turner Gettysburg movie. Is Turner a pervert? His audience, an audience of perverts? It's quite an accusation.

Huh? The movie is a detailed analysis and reenactment of the battle, IIRC. It's not exactly "Gone With The Wind".

Studying the Civil War, or being interested in it, is not the same as buying into the 'romance' of the Confederacy, which is, itself, a media product.

84 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:52:46pm

re: #79 lostlakehiker

Thanks. But you might consider the popularity of the Ted Turner Gettysburg movie. Is Turner a pervert? His audience, an audience of perverts? It's quite an accusation.

Did I say pervert? Where did that come from?

85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:53:52pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

They've been fighting over it. I have a couple of friends who are very active in Occupy Oakland, and there's been a lot of back-and-forth about this. Some people in the group (NOT people I am friends with on Facebook) feel very strongly that they want language that leaves the possibility of violence open.

Very likely provocateurs.

If I were involved, I would vote with the Black Panther that Time Magazine interviewed: "These anarchists are going to f--- this up; we need to stop them by any means necessary," he says, making a slicing motion with his hand.

That person probably ought to know.

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:54:09pm

re: #73 000G

Better to root for macing?

I prefer morningstars.

87 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:54:28pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Did I say pervert? Where did that come from?

butthurt

88 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:56:35pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Did I say pervert? Where did that come from?

Residents of Perv prefer to be referred to as "pervects".

89 Beauzeaux  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:57:35pm

"The license plate idea was wisely shot down, and by a unanimous vote. How does that translate into "Texas hates America"?"

Odd, but I don't think this has been proposed in too many other states. A few. And I bet you can guess which ones.

90 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:58:57pm

re: #89 Beauzeaux

"The license plate idea was wisely shot down, and by a unanimous vote. How does that translate into "Texas hates America"?"

Odd, but I don't think this has been proposed in too many other states. A few. And I bet you can guess which ones.

The one packed with confederate bigots, like Texas?

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:59:21pm

re: #85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Very likely provocateurs.

I'm dubious on that front. I've met too many of the sort of schmuck who wants to start shit to think they're all on someone's payroll.

92 TedStriker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:59:21pm

re: #10 jaunte

Patterson is trying to make sure he has a lock on the 2014 victimized white male vote.

“I’m an Aggie, a veteran, a gun owner and a Texan that doesn’t like being told that government knows best,” Patterson said. “I’m not some carefully crafted candidate managed by handlers and consultants. I say what I mean and do what I say. That is my only platform.”

Except when it's him and his ilk running the government that "knows best"...right, Jerry?

93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:00:45pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm dubious on that front. I've met too many of the sort of schmuck who wants to start shit to think they're all on someone's payroll.

Being a provocateur and a paid provocateur are two different things. One is a subset of the other.

94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:01:44pm

re: #88 oaktree

Residents of Perv prefer to be referred to as "pervects".

I heard followers of Perv refer to themselves as pervyites.

95 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:01:47pm

re: #79 lostlakehiker

Thanks. But you might consider the popularity of the Ted Turner Gettysburg movie. Is Turner a pervert? His audience, an audience of perverts? It's quite an accusation.

You really do specialize in non-thoughts.

Remember when you called this a hate site?

96 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:02:12pm

re: #89 Beauzeaux

"The license plate idea was wisely shot down, and by a unanimous vote. How does that translate into "Texas hates America"?"

Odd, but I don't think this has been proposed in too many other states. A few. And I bet you can guess which ones.

if you are referring to the first comment of this thread. ralphieboy was joking.

97 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:02:24pm

re: #87 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

butthurt

Been a resurgence of that lately. Good times.

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:02:31pm

re: #93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Being a provocateur and a paid provocateur are two different things. One is a subset of the other.

So who do you figure these guys are, and what is their agenda?

99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:02:58pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

that's some real Bill O'Reilly energy happening there

100 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:04:34pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

that's some real Bill O'Reilly energy happening there

With just a hint of Coulter.

101 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:04:37pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

that's some real Bill O'Reilly energy happening there

Herp goes in, derp comes out. You can't explain that!

102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:05:03pm

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

So who do you figure these guys are, and what is their agenda?

Could be anybody, with various agendas. I'm not involved with Occupy Oakland or any Occupy, and I don't know anyone in them. But I'm always skeptical of people coming to protest movements and calling for violence.

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:05:38pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

LOL@"Peaceful" hippies
Protesters withdraw resolution to remain peaceful

C'mon, OWS fans. This is not going to work out in your favor.

the unrest is real, and no matter how you fret, it's a real phenomenon brought on by real inequities in our real country

which is it, are they dangerous provocateurs?

or are they soft and squishy trust fund kids playing let's-pretend?


it seems like OWS is everyone and no one, depending on who's worrying about them

104 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:06:06pm

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

So who do you figure these guys are, and what is their agenda?

Also keep in mind that it usually takes about 90% to achieve consensus in OWS general Councils. I'm not sure the specifics in Oakland but I'm pretty sure it took a significant majority to repeal the non violence pledge. It's absurd to claim this is the work of a few provocateurs.

105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:06:27pm

re: #97 Gus 802

Been a resurgence of that lately. Good times.

Any time you meet a payment.

106 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:06:49pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

Herp goes in, derp comes out. You can't explain that!

Fucking fish nets...how do they work?

107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:07:20pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Also keep in mind that it usually takes about 90% to achieve consensus in OWS general Councils. I'm not sure the specifics in Oakland but I'm pretty sure it took a significant majority to repeal the non violence pledge. It's absurd to claim this is the work of a few provocateurs.

You've been to some?

108 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:08:15pm

re: #107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You've been to some?

Sure he has. At Big Government and Live Leak!

//

109 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:09:22pm

Damn. I thought we would be on a different topic by now. Was here this morning and it was all about OWS. Just got back and it's still OWS. We really going to have another 5 hours or so of OWS in here again?

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:09:27pm

re: #103 WindUpBird

it seems like OWS is everyone and no one, depending on who's worrying about them

Seems like they're also everyone and no one depending on what criticism is being made of them.

A perfect screen for everyone's projections.

111 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:09:35pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

You really do specialize in non-thoughts.

Remember when you called this a hate site?

I hated that.

112 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:11:09pm

re: #103 WindUpBird

we were just over that last night, its a resolution right?

It's not like they're already flipping news trucks in support of child abuse.

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:12:28pm

re: #107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You've been to some?

I can use google and read the rules posted on their website...

test for consensus; 90% passes proposal

So are you going to stick to your theory that 90% of the Oakland protesters are outside provocateurs sent to sabotage the movement?

114 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:13:00pm

Zzzzzzz.

115 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:13:25pm

I really like the part where all those brave Texas slavery loving soldiers marched into New Mexico and got their asses handed to them.

116 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:13:36pm

OT:

Stop the presses, we have the source of the Cain leak. It has been proven, beyond a doubt, that the man responsible was...David Axelrod.

At least, according to Ann "Our Blacks Are Better" Coulter:
Townhall: David Axelrod's Pattern of Sexual Misbehavior

Mr. Cain, I believe the phrase "When friends like these..." applies here.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:13:36pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Also keep in mind that it usually takes about 90% to achieve consensus in OWS general Councils. I'm not sure the specifics in Oakland but I'm pretty sure it took a significant majority to repeal the non violence pledge. It's absurd to claim this is the work of a few provocateurs.

People get worn down, the language gets incredibly subtle, and also, from some of the comments I've seen, you have to deal with the intellectual idiot who, while he himself would never consider violence, feels that maybe it's not his place to tell others how best to enact their vision for OWS...

He's everyone's favorite idiot.

Dunno, I'll see what my OO Facebookers have to say about the situation.
Anyway,

118 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:13:46pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

I'm waiting to see the actual violence myself.

As depressing as it is, I actually sympathize with GWB and know what he was talking about for once. The 'GOTCHA' attitude is really silly.

119 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:14:30pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Also keep in mind that it usually takes about 90% to achieve consensus in OWS general Councils. I'm not sure the specifics in Oakland but I'm pretty sure it took a significant majority to repeal the non violence pledge. It's absurd to claim this is the work of a few provocateurs.

for myself, i tend to not make predictions, much less over and over again, and never with any confidence that i can tell what will surely happen in the future

120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:14:50pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

So are you going to stick to your theory that 90% of the Oakland protesters are outside provocateurs sent to sabotage the movement?

That's not my theory, but E for effort.

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:14:53pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Seems like they're also everyone and no one depending on what criticism is being made of them.

A perfect screen for everyone's projections.

The actual truth, is it's an organic group made up of lots of different people! Not all of which agree on how to proceed.


here's what i do know: our country was almost ruined by banks, by financial institutions consolidating power absent of regulation, playing unbelievably dangerous and inhuman games with money on a cosmic, dimension-shattering scale

And I'm not going to waste my time fretting about the tiny problem of OWS protestors not acting according to the comics code authority or whatever

because, you know, country almost ruined!


OWS protesters being angry dicks: small problem

country held hostage and almost destroyed by financial giants: big problem

122 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:16:27pm

re: #120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That's not my theory, but E for effort.

re: #102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Could be anybody, with various agendas. I'm not involved with Occupy Oakland or any Occupy, and I don't know anyone in them. But I'm always skeptical of people coming to protest movements and calling for violence.

123 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:17:07pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

+1 for CCA reference.

Ah hell, who'm I kidding? +1 anyways :p

124 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:17:37pm

re: #116 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

i've seen axelrod blamed at several right wing sites. rahm emanuel as well. everybody but herm.

125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:17:51pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

re: #102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And?

126 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:19:58pm

I have to repeat myself just 'cuz its so mindblowing.

We had actual riots with actual violence last night (for an unrelated cause), and a number of police beatdowns, and the outrage is Democratically repealing a resolution denouncing violence?

That doesn't strike anybody as a little off?

127 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:20:33pm

re: #115 SpaceJesus

I really like the part where all those brave Texas slavery loving soldiers marched into New Mexico and got their asses handed to them.

Me too! On, New Mexico!

Oh, wait. That's Wisconsin.

Eureka!

Oh, wait. That's California.

Red or Green!!!

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:21:56pm

I didn't watch the debate last night. Have only read headlines regarding it.

Perry is big dumb something.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:22:00pm

Whatever the fuck. I can't stand the talking points any more.

Be back later.

130 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:22:11pm

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden

[Link: www.nesn.com...]

131 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:22:28pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

PUNT!

(edit: the sports metaphor seemed appropriate somehow)

132 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:24:11pm

re: #116 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

OT:

Stop the presses, we have the source of the Cain leak. It has been proven, beyond a doubt, that the man responsible was...David Axelrod.

At least, according to Ann "Our Blacks Are Better" Coulter:
Townhall: David Axelrod's Pattern of Sexual Misbehavior

"This time, Obama's little helpers have not only thrown a bomb into the Republican primary, but are hoping to destroy the man who deprives the Democrats of their only argument in 2012: If you oppose Obama, you must be a racist."

Republican confederates:

Real Americans vote for our Authentic Black Koch stooges, who sing "Danny Boy" at press conferences, tell the vast majority of blacks they have been brainwashed by Simon Legree, and kick off their campaigns with announcements of "awwww shucky ducky!!"

133 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:24:28pm

re: #130 zora

Oh hell, that just can't be true!

134 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:24:42pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

I'm pretty sure it's "New Mexico orale"

Youtube Video


(i'm sorry this is so, so bad)

135 erik_t  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:24:57pm

re: #130 zora

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden

[Link: www.nesn.com...]

His journalism is not considered to be the most reputable. I very strongly hope he's blowing smoke or full of it in some other way.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:25:08pm

Someone spilled water on my laptop last night and now I have to use an external keyboard. But it works. Typing is gonna take a little getting used to.
Evening Honcos!!

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:25:33pm

re: #118 windsagio

I'm waiting to see the actual violence myself.

As depressing as it is, I actually sympathize with GWB and know what he was talking about for once. The 'GOTCHA' attitude is really silly.

meanwhile, neighborhoods ruined by the subdivision, by the county, every day, failling into ghost towns, families wiped out, underwater on houses they put their lives in

like, actual billions of $$ of peoples' value and net worth lost. That is "violence" done to people, what's been done to their lives because their home values have cratered, everything they put into their homes, poof, gone, neighborhoods deserted, economy ruined because we now have broken our real estate market, the one market that kept us on the road and out of the weeds.


but let's worry about frowny hippies instead because hippie punching is easier.

138 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:25:57pm

re: #116 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

OT:

Stop the presses, we have the source of the Cain leak. It has been proven, beyond a doubt, that the man responsible was...David Axelrod.

At least, according to Ann "Our Blacks Are Better" Coulter:
Townhall: David Axelrod's Pattern of Sexual Misbehavior

Mr. Cain, I believe the phrase "When friends like these..." applies here.

No need to use the acronym OT anymore. Even the old 100 comment rule went out the window. The new rule is you get to go OT in any thread as long as it's about OWS.

139 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:25:58pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Me too! On, New Mexico!

Oh, wait. That's Wisconsin.

Eureka!

Oh, wait. That's California.

Red or Green!!!

Red...the green chile's good over chicken, but over pork or beef it's red all the way.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:26:04pm

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

What fucking moron would do that?

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:26:13pm

re: #123 windsagio

+1 for CCA reference.

Ah hell, who'm I kidding? +1 anyways :p

?
/

142 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:26:36pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

The banks have made us their dogs.

143 erik_t  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:26:41pm

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

You misspelled 'kyboard'.

144 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:27:22pm

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was wondering what the hell happened.

145 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:27:33pm

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

Comics Code Authority.

They're the reason the comics sucked for 50 years.

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:27:49pm

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What fucking moron would do that?

A nobody.

147 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:27:49pm

re: #109 Gus 802

Damn. I thought we would be on a different topic by now. Was here this morning and it was all about OWS. Just got back and it's still OWS. We really going to have another 5 hours or so of OWS in here again?

it goes in auto pilot...there is no driver

148 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:28:32pm

re: #130 zora

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden

[Link: www.nesn.com...]

If true, I hope every one of those donors is publicly named and shamed...then charged.

149 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:28:53pm

re: #144 Obdicut

I was wondering what the hell happened.

I was talking in code this morning.
/
Actually, I WAS trying to copy/paste words like a ransom letter. Heh.

150 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:29:58pm

re: #130 zora

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden

[Link: www.nesn.com...]

If it turns out Paterno knew anything about that, then his legal troubles aren't over. This could be a federal offense.

151 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:29:58pm

I see we're still getting the same old propaganda in the pages.

152 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:30:12pm

re: #133 windsagio

Oh hell, that just can't be true!

it just gets worse. i hope it's not true but the guy madden wrote this in april.

Madden: Sandusky a State secret

The Jerry Sandusky situation seems a matter of failure to connect certain dots, or perhaps unwillingness in that regard. Lots of people besides the former Penn State defensive coordinator have some explaining to do.

Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.

Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.

It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?

[Link: www.timesonline.com...]

153 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:31:13pm

re: #135 erik_t

His journalism is not considered to be the most reputable. I very strongly hope he's blowing smoke or full of it in some other way.

i hope so, too. what we already know is horrible enough.

154 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:31:41pm

re: #152 zora

I just can't believe that lol, like literally... I mean it'll suck if its proven but that's utterly insane.

on the other hand, I totally believe they knew about his 'little problem' and covered it up for years.

re: #151 Gus 802

Buck Updinging something is a good hint that its a position to NOT support :p

155 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:32:18pm

re: #150 SpaceJesus

If it turns out Paterno knew anything about that, then his legal troubles aren't over. This could be a federal offense.

Paterno's saving grace is his age...which means he probably won't outlive this story. If I was him I'd take up smoking three packs a day and drinking battery fluid.

156 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:32:43pm

re: #134 SpaceJesus

I'm pretty sure it's "New Mexico orale"

[Video]
(i'm sorry this is so, so bad)

So bad it's good!

almost...

157 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:33:52pm

re: #156 wrenchwench


Eh, there were a couple parts. "On DWI 3" makes me chuckle.

158 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:34:33pm

here is a thing that we may want to remember, we who live in big cities


a lot of people live in places in the US where they can afford houses! they put their whole lives into them!


and a lot of those neighborhoods are ruined, because of what happened to our financial institutions, our VERY TRUSTED BANKS


it's not an abstract, it's actually real shit that has been done to people


it would take a LOT of violence by hippies to equal the violence done to peoples lives, to their home values, to their livelihoods

159 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:35:28pm

re: #155 darthstar


I honestly hope he didn't know anything about this part. This is traffic here, which would bring in the feds. He might be innocent under Penn law for not reporting the events, but under federal law it would be another story I think.

160 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:36:22pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

here's what i do know: our country was almost ruined by banks, by financial institutions consolidating power absent of regulation, playing unbelievably dangerous and inhuman games with money on a cosmic, dimension-shattering scale

And I'm not going to waste my time fretting about the tiny problem of OWS protestors not acting according to the comics code authority or whatever

because, you know, country almost ruined!

OWS protesters being angry dicks: small problem

country held hostage and almost destroyed by financial giants: big problem

Funny, that brought this comment to mind: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

161 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:36:44pm

Another nation wide movement is afoot....
Small-business owners tell Occupy Wall Street: You're hurting the 99 percent.

Many small-business owners across the country are demanding Occupy Wall Street protesters pack up and leave, saying the protesters are driving business away.

162 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:37:22pm

re: #160 000G

Oh, and this: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

163 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:37:47pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Another nation wide movement is afoot...
Small-business owners tell Occupy Wall Street: You're hurting the 99 percent.

Jesus Christ. Enough already. You logged on this morning and the first words out of your mouth was about OWS. Here it is almost 4 PM and you're still ranting away about OWS. You're ruining this place.

164 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:38:05pm

Checking something...

165 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:38:36pm

One more time...

166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:39:21pm

re: #163 Gus 802

Jesus Christ. Enough already. You logged on this morning and the first words out of your mouth was about OWS. Here it is almost 4 PM and you're still ranting away about OWS. You're ruining this place.

Not true.

He was right about the tea party.

/

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:39:36pm

re: #159 SpaceJesus

I hope he was the old doddering fool that was kept in the dark.

But if you know someone's molesting children; and you don't kill them with fire (or at least turn them in); you deserve the shame.

168 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:39:39pm

re: #165 Charles

Youtube Video
169 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:40:31pm

re: #163 Gus 802

You're ruining this place.

I'll interpret that as "Thank you sir. May I have another?"

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:40:51pm

re: #163 Gus 802

Not true.

He was right about the Tea Party.

171 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:41:20pm

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, totally. I just hope he is a better person than the kind who would know about the selling of kids for rape across state lines and conceal it.

172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:41:44pm

re: #151 Gus 802

I see we're still getting the same old propaganda in the pages.

link?

173 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:41:52pm

re: #164 Charles

Afternoon Charles. While you are checking out things, you might want to take a look at the new comments button. It hasn't been updating the page when you click on it while not logged in. You have to refresh the page instead. Using Safari 5.1.1 under Windows 7.

174 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:41:54pm

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any investigation can be embarrassing, it can raise hackles, it can cause defensiveness. These are not good reasons not to do it. Every time that a rumor surfaces, an allegation is made it should get a clear, transparent investigation. It's the best way to both make sure that abuse is stopped and that innocent people aren't wrongly thought to have done things that they haven't.

I still do not understand why the young man who saw a 10 year old boy being anally raped did not call the police. How is this a debateable action? How is it something you have to think about? Why isn't it a reflexive action to pull out your phone and dial 911, at the very least?

175 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:42:00pm

I'd just like to say, hex_md5((Math.random()*2147483647).toString()).

176 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:42:26pm

re: #172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

link?

Check your messages in Twitter.

177 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:43:28pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Another nation wide movement is afoot...
Small-business owners tell Occupy Wall Street: You're hurting the 99 percent.

i'd also like to warn these anti-british protesters to stop talking about violence against the redcoats. this whole thing could get out of hand and then you'll be sorry you supported all this treasonable talk against the empire

178 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:43:39pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

I'll interpret that as "Thank you sir. May I have another?"

literal LOL

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:44:43pm

re: #178 000G

Me too. My wife just opened the basement door and asked me; "What the hell?"

180 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:44:54pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

I'll interpret that as "Thank you sir. May I have another?"

But of course.

181 blueraven  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:45:26pm

re: #175 Charles

I'd just like to say, hex_md5((Math.random()*2147483647).toString()).

prove it!

182 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:45:27pm

re: #174 Obdicut

I still do not understand why the young man who saw a 10 year old boy being anally raped did not call the police. How is this a debateable action? How is it something you have to think about? Why isn't it a reflexive action to pull out your phone and dial 911, at the very least?

I still don't get how it could have been legal for anyone who knew of this shit to not report it to the police. Is duty to rescue not an applicable concept here?

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:45:35pm

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me too. My wife just opened the basement door and asked me; "What the hell?"

Did she find your human head stash?
/

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:45:57pm

OT...

WHY THE HELL IS IT PITCH DARK BEFORE 6PM?!?!

185 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:46:03pm

re: #175 Charles

I'd just like to say, hex_md5((Math.random()*2147483647).toString()).

TMZ or it didn't happen.

186 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:46:14pm

re: #163 Gus 802

Jesus Christ. Enough already. You logged on this morning and the first words out of your mouth was about OWS. Here it is almost 4 PM and you're still ranting away about OWS. You're ruining this place.

relax bro...people post whatever they want

187 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:46:28pm

re: #175 Charles

I'd just like to say, hex_md5((Math.random()*2147483647).toString()).

I agree

188 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:46:54pm

re: #182 000G

some of the people who knew and did nothing are being prosecuted. not paterno or the univ. president though.

189 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:47:04pm

re: #174 Obdicut

I would think that it would be pretty shocking to catch a child rape in progress, so there would be an understandable delay as the witness tries to progress what he saw. But, ultimately, it's on the witness (morally, at least) to report the crime to the police, not go to people with a vested interest in seeing such acts covered up. And, unfortunately, the person failed.

190 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:47:04pm

re: #176 Gus 802

Check your messages in Twitter.

Got it. Thx.

191 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:47:15pm

I am the 99%.

192 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:47:17pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


oh, hey. i was wondering where that bag of chips floated off to

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:47:21pm

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah. But not my stash in a human head.

194 erik_t  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:47:43pm

re: #175 Charles

I'd just like to say, hex_md5((Math.random()*2147483647).toString()).

You sound stressed. High risk statement.

195 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:48:25pm

[Link: www.boston.com...]

196 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:48:32pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT...

WHY THE HELL IS IT PITCH DARK BEFORE 6PM?!?!

Melancholia!

Youtube Video

I watched it yesterday. A curious little movie.
197 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:48:45pm

re: #175 Charles

I'd just like to say, hex_md5((Math.random()*2147483647).toString()).

?? Is that an in-line function statement?

198 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:49:38pm
The former defensive coordinator has been charged with eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering welfare of a child and seven counts of indecent assault.

Athletic Director Tim Curley and senior VP of finances and business Gary Schultz have been charged with perjury. Both resigned their positions late Sunday. They’ve proclaimed their innocence.

Read more: [Link: aol.sportingnews.com...]

199 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:49:44pm
200 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:51:01pm

re: #195 Thanos

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Thanks for the update. Now we'll see if true this will lead to more awareness of military suicides. Otherwise it'll probably be ignored and glossed over by the wingnuts as they move on towards another target.

201 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:51:12pm

re: #186 albusteve

relax bro...people post whatever they want

Yes. People do.

202 Donna Ballard  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:51:41pm

Hello Everyone out there in Lizardia, How's it going today? I see those TEXAS guys are at it again with the whacked out stuff again.
Heaven forbid they actually open their mouths and say things that actually make sense. How come all I hear coming outta TEXAS is stupid religious nuttyisms and ant-normal people type things?

203 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:51:49pm

re: #201 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes. People do.

Ironic isn't it?

204 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:51:53pm

re: #188 zora

some of the people who knew and did nothing are being prosecuted. not paterno or the univ. president though.

Still don't get it. Should be common sense that a child rapist would strike again if not averted by legal and/or psychiatric authorities. Failure to a report such crimes to me obviously makes one guilty of not helping to prevent future crimes which should be expected.

205 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:52:05pm

re: #189 commadore183

I would think that it would be pretty shocking to catch a child rape in progress, so there would be an understandable delay as the witness tries to progress what he saw. But, ultimately, it's on the witness (morally, at least) to report the crime to the police, not go to people with a vested interest in seeing such acts covered up. And, unfortunately, the person failed.

The proper response would have been to tell the Administration that you had called the cops about the activity you had put a stop to.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:53:24pm

re: #198 zora

Please tell me that the act of raping a child is not considered "corruption of minors". That would be providing beer or something.

207 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:53:57pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Ironic isn't it?

Here, on the internet, people posting whatever they will.

Who would have ever thought it!

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:54:05pm

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The proper response would have been to tell the Administration that you had called the cops about the activity you had put a stop to.

And where to find the body.

209 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:54:15pm
210 blueraven  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:55:10pm

re: #202 Dragon_Lady

Hello Everyone out there in Lizardia, How's it going today? I see those TEXAS guys are at it again with the whacked out stuff again.
Heaven forbid they actually open their mouths and say things that actually make sense. How come all I hear coming outta TEXAS is stupid religious nuttyisms and ant-normal people type things?

We are not all like that. Thank goodness!

211 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:55:10pm

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And where to find the body.

I did not specify how you stopped it.

212 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:55:10pm

re: #204 000G

Still don't get it. Should be common sense that a child rapist would strike again if not averted by legal and/or psychiatric authorities. Failure to a report such crimes to me obviously makes one guilty of not helping to prevent future crimes which should be expected.

i agree completely. too much of this comes down to the fact that this was an environment where people seem to have almost worshipped this football team and program. some at-risk children being systematically sexually assaulted was just a tiny blip on their radar.

213 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:55:40pm

re: #207 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Here, on the internet, people posting whatever they will.

Who would have ever thought it!

Killgore of course....even as he ruins the blog....
oh the humanity, can no one stop him?

214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:55:47pm

re: #211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I did not specify how you stopped it.

Good enough for me though.

215 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:56:36pm

barrett brown, professional liar and con man running for his life now

[Link: frontburner.dmagazine.com...]

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:57:18pm

Sorry. Makes me go Grrr.

My bad.

217 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:57:35pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

i think he did that too.

218 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:57:51pm

re: #213 albusteve

Killgore of course...even as he ruins the blog...
oh the humanity, can no one stop him?

Boo-hoo sniffle, not everyone at LGF agrees with your personal favorites, waaah.

It's not fair, there are people in the comments of a blog who disagree with white confederate conservatism gone mainstream, boohoo sniffle.

219 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:58:25pm

re: #215 SpaceJesus

barrett brown, professional liar and con man running for his life now

[Link: frontburner.dmagazine.com...]

some gangster just slaughtered a home grown blogger in Mexico for dissen him....read it this morning...Barrett is a fool

220 Donna Ballard  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:58:33pm

re: #210 blueraven

We are not all like that. Thank goodness!

No just the nut cases that somehow get voted into office and the news media love to follow around.

Ooops, sorry Charles! Didn't mean to step over the line. Wont do it again. :-(

221 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:58:53pm

re: #212 zora

i agree completely. too much of this comes down to the fact that this was an environment where people seem to have almost worshipped this football team and program. some at-risk children being systematically sexually assaulted was just a tiny blip on their radar.

They wanted it, and the firing was a shakedown for reparations. ///

222 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:59:18pm

re: #219 albusteve

i heard about that. brown is a famewhore (anon's term) who went too far

223 webevintage  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:00:34pm

re: #189 commadore183

I would think that it would be pretty shocking to catch a child rape in progress, so there would be an understandable delay as the witness tries to progress what he saw. But, ultimately, it's on the witness (morally, at least) to report the crime to the police, not go to people with a vested interest in seeing such acts covered up. And, unfortunately, the person failed.

The whole thing boggles the mind.
The witness was 26 years old and a big dude.
He sees a man raping a 10 yr old boy, the boy (who probably thought he was going to be rescued) and the rapist see him and instead of saying "WTF?" he walked away and asked his DAD what to do.
And then they waited until the next day to go to anyone.
(all of this is said assuming I have my facts correct.)

224 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:00:34pm

re: #222 SpaceJesus

i heard about that. brown is a famewhore (anon's term) who went too far

if I were him I'd invest in a good Richard Nixon mask

225 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:00:46pm

I have but one question regarding this.
WHAT THE HELL?

General: Ashes from service members' remains went to landfill

(CNN) -- The ashes of cremated body parts from some of the nation's war dead were dumped in landfills until 2008, unbeknownst to their survivors, an Air Force general acknowledged Wednesday.

The practice was stopped, and remains from cremated body parts now are disposed of at sea, Air Force Chief of Public Affairs Brig. Gen. Les Kodlick said.

[...]

After cremation, the ashes were escorted back to Dover, Kodlick said, and then turned over to a contractor "for further incineration and disposition in accordance with medical disposition."

"The common practice was that any residual matter remaining after incineration was disposed of by the contractor in a landfill," Kodlick said.

"We could have done it better," he said.

And this might be the understatement of the decade.

226 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:01:30pm

killgore you should put brown up at your house while he is hiding from the zetas. would make a good reality show.

227 Donna Ballard  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:02:29pm

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. Makes me go Grrr.

My bad.

Me too! :-(

228 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:02:35pm

re: #226 SpaceJesus

killgore you should put brown up at your house while he is hiding from the zetas. would make a good reality show.

He could keep him in the frog pond under a pad.

229 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:03:35pm

re: #173 Bubblehead II

Afternoon Charles. While you are checking out things, you might want to take a look at the new comments button. It hasn't been updating the page when you click on it while not logged in. You have to refresh the page instead. Using Safari 5.1.1 under Windows 7.

Wow, it must have been like that for a couple of months now, but you're the first to mention it to me. It's fixed now.

230 erik_t  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:03:47pm

re: #223 webevintage

This is about the eleven billionth example of how people don't necessarily act rationally or predictably when encountering a massively awful and shocking situation. I know it's popular to rah rah internet tough guy OH YEAH WELL I WOULD HAVE BEATEN HIM EVEN MORE PAINFULLY, but the day-of actions of the graduate assistant are not outside the realm of expectation.

His actions in the days and months and years afterward are profoundly troubling, but I can't fault him for his immediate reaction.

231 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:05:21pm

re: #215 SpaceJesus

barrett brown, professional liar and con man running for his life now

[Link: frontburner.dmagazine.com...]

Barrett is looking to relocate. He’s aiming for someplace in New York City or Boston.

Thing is though, Barrett needs someone to pay for a plane ticket. What’s that you say? Why would a guy with a reported six-figure book advance need help buying a plane ticket? Barrett says the advance money doesn’t roll in for another month or so. He promises to repay you at that time (if not earlier).

Right.

I learned a long long time ago never to lend money to heroin addicts.

232 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:05:45pm

There is no reason for a person to goto jail or hurt someone when walking in on child abuse...You would think a 28 yr. old man catching Sandusky raping a child would walk into the shower and tell him to stop...grab the child and bring him to safety and call the cops...Instead he walked away and called his father for advice.. There is no nobility to this story by anybody on campus..

233 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:06:30pm

re: #231 Charles

Right.

I learned a long long time ago never to lend money to heroin addicts.

that's gonna leave a mark

234 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:06:48pm

re: #163 Gus 802

Jesus Christ. Enough already. You logged on this morning and the first words out of your mouth was about OWS. Here it is almost 4 PM and you're still ranting away about OWS. You're ruining this place.

But there might be a RED under my bed!!!!11ty!!!

235 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:07:02pm

re: #231 Charles

I would eat my shoes if he were actually a heroin addict. It's all just part of his wanna-be dangerous counter-culture icon spiel I imagine.

236 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:07:54pm

re: #230 erik_t

Exactly. A delay in reporting it would have been expected and not unusual, but usually not waiting until the NEXT FUCKING DAY to do it. And not even to the police, but to the people who would benefit from having the problem "go away" to keep from hurting their $60M income (college football).

The initial reaction I have no issue with, it's the fact the guy didn't even report it properly within a timely manner that's got everyone pissed.

237 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:08:08pm

re: #235 SpaceJesus

that being said, still wouldn't give the lying schmuck a cent

238 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:08:19pm

re: #232 HoosierHoops

There is no reason for a person to goto jail or hurt someone when walking in on child abuse...You would think a 28 yr. old man catching Sandusky raping a child would walk into the shower and tell him to stop...grab the child and bring him to safety and call the cops...Instead he walked away and called his father for advice.. There is no nobility to this story by anybody on campus..

obviously he was afraid, a chicken shit...I know what I would have done instantly, but I've been in plenty of brawls

239 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:09:45pm

re: #238 albusteve

obviously he was afraid, a chicken shit...I know what I would have done instantly, but I've been in plenty of brawls

Yeah but did you win any of them.

240 Donna Ballard  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:10:09pm

Ooops, laundry time. Gotta go. BBL! Keep Laughing Everyone!

241 erik_t  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:10:33pm

re: #236 commadore183

Even then, reporting the incident to your superior (at a state institution with an actual factual police force) is a forgivable mistake to me. It's the lack of follow-up (whether we're talking about the GA or Paterno or anyone else) which is deeply not okay.

/BUT MAN I WOULD HAVE GONE AND BEAT HIS ASS BECAUSE I KNOW JUST WHAT I'D DO IF I SAW A KID BEING RAPED

242 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:11:32pm

re: #239 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah but did you win any of them.

my share but hardly all of them...didn't matter either way...you cannot win 3 on one, or I couldn't

243 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:12:08pm

re: #235 SpaceJesus

I would eat my shoes if he were actually a heroin addict. It's all just part of his wanna-be dangerous counter-culture icon spiel I imagine.

Necesitas la salsa por zapatas.

From the same place you linked to.

244 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:15:29pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Necesitas la salsa por zapatas.

From the same place you linked to.

Not much love on the comments in SJs link. At the end they say he has been given a ticket to NYC. That's good, because there are no drug criminals there.

245 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:15:34pm

re: #241 erik_t

Honestly, I would have called the State Police first, then let the college administrators know about it. There's been cases where colleges tried to sweep incidents under the rug if it was going to hurt their athletic program(s).

246 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:15:43pm

re: #231 Charles

Right.

I learned a long long time ago never to lend money to heroin addicts.

I know that the people in Anonymous who are actually (out of a better term) the foot-soldiers of the movement really DO NOT LIKE B.Brown because of his tendency to glory-hound (they have a much more contrite descriptive term for him with the initials A-W that I won't fully type out) and in some cases has actually damaged some of their efforts because of his tendency to "jump the gun".

247 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:16:31pm

re: #229 Charles

Thanks. I only noticed it because I was being lazy and didn't log in right off as I usually do the last few days.

248 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:17:26pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Barrett Brown took down the government of Tunisia?

Hell, I hung out on anon's IRC channel too sometimes. I guess I took that country into revolution as well.

249 TedStriker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:19:11pm

re: #246 RadicalModerate

I know that the people in Anonymous who are actually (out of a better term) the foot-soldiers of the movement really DO NOT LIKE B.Brown because of his tendency to glory-hound (they have a much more contrite descriptive term for him with the initials A-W that I won't fully type out) and in some cases has actually damaged some of their efforts because of his tendency to "jump the gun".

Asswipe? I'll say that Barrett Brown is that, indeed.

250 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:20:40pm

re: #249 talon_262

Asswipe? I'll say that Barrett Brown is that, indeed.

The other one. The one that can be interpreted as degrading to women.

251 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:21:42pm

re: #250 RadicalModerate

The other one. The one that can be interpreted as degrading to women.

Can I buy a vowel?

252 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:21:52pm

the guy lurks in anonops and then goes to the media to tell them he has the inside "scoop" on these big bad hackers.


nobody likes him

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:22:11pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Can I buy a vowel?

Y is on sale.

254 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:22:20pm

re: #248 SpaceJesus

Barrett Brown took down the government of Tunisia?

Hell, I hung out on anon's IRC channel too sometimes. I guess I took that country into revolution as well.

BARRET BROWN IS 10 FEET TALL AND CONSUMES THE ENGLISH WITH FIRE FROM HIS EYES AND LIGHTNING FROM HIS ASS!

255 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:23:31pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Can I buy a vowel?

First word is "attention".

256 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:24:06pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I heard that BB has a special key on his keyboard that if pressed, sinks every submarine in the US Navy.

257 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:24:39pm

re: #256 SpaceJesus


with heroin torpedoes

258 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:25:25pm

Perry: 'If You're Electing A Debater In Chief, Don't Elect Me'

Rick Perry does not deserve any man's vote for his failure to inject the term "Master Debater" into the national conversation.

259 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:26:21pm

re: #255 RadicalModerate

First word is "attention".

On deck?

260 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:28:15pm

Ludwig should put the shovel down. It wasn't pretty last time when he hit the molten core.

261 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:28:27pm

Derp of the day. Or is that last night?

Ashton Kutcher's Paterno tweet sends actor running for PR cover

Ashton Kutcher, Twitter quitter? Kutcher came to Joe Paterno's tweet defense Wednesday, expressing outrage over the Penn State coach's firing. Unfortunately, Kutcher hadn't looked into why Paterno was fired before he hit "Tweet."

Things have not gone well since then for @aplusk — to the point where on Thursday he essentially surrendered his Twitter autonomy to his publicists.

"While I will continue to express myself through @Aplusk I'm going to turn the management of the feed over to my team at Katalyst Media to ensure the quality of it's content," he said in a statement. "My sincere apologies to anyone who I have offended. It was a mistake that I don't think will happen again."

Keep reading.

Poor guy.

262 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:29:10pm

re: #215 SpaceJesus

barrett brown, professional liar and con man running for his life now

[Link: frontburner.dmagazine.com...]

Damn...

They doxed him — meaning they put a bunch of his personal information online, including his address.

That's kinda dangerous and a shitty thing to do to somebody.
/.

263 Lidane  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:29:14pm

re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry: 'If You're Electing A Debater In Chief, Don't Elect Me'

Rick Perry does not deserve any man's vote for his failure to inject the term "Master Debater" into the national conversation.

ROFL. Dead campaign walking:

Rick Perry's Debate Blunder Is Most-Viewed Youtube Video In Two Key Iowa Cities

264 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:29:26pm

re: #256 SpaceJesus

I heard that BB has a special key on his keyboard that if pressed, sinks every submarine in the US Navy.

Barret Brown has completed the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs.

265 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:29:50pm

re: #257 SpaceJesus

with heroin torpedoes

Shaped like frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their frickin' heads!

266 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:30:37pm

re: #264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

but in this case, I know who will shoot first.

267 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:31:19pm

Military Panel Finds Leader of Rogue US "Kill Team" Guilty

[UPDATE: On Thursday, ex-Army staff sergeant Calvin Gibbs, the alleged ringleader of the notorious "Kill Team," was found guilty of three murders and a total of fifteen criminal charges. The murders carry a minimum sentence of life with parole, and a maximum of life imprisonment. The jury came to the decision after four hours of deliberation.]

268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:31:30pm

re: #242 albusteve

my share but hardly all of them...didn't matter either way...you cannot win 3 on one, or I couldn't

Well, nobody could. Unless they are Keanu Reeves or Wesley Snipes.

269 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:31:41pm

re: #266 SpaceJesus

but in this case, I know who will shoot first.

Barret Brown knows who John Galt is.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:32:16pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, it's him or Bill Brasky.

271 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:33:08pm

Chuck Testa?

Nope.

Barret Brown.

272 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:33:18pm

This is good news.

273 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:37:03pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Military Panel Finds Leader of Rogue US "Kill Team" Guilty

Why do the troops hate the troops?

274 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:37:50pm

re: #130 zora

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden

[Link: www.nesn.com...]

a comment from that article:


"What's wrong is that now they are teaching, by law, grade-school children all about "alternative sexuality." In other words, they are being indoctrinated to accept this perverted practice as "normal." In liberal California, soon coming to a school near you. Who will stop the Democrats from turning generations of children into immoral and indecent pan-sexual creatures of the Left?"

275 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:38:23pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Damn...

That's kinda dangerous and a shitty thing to do to somebody.
/.

Yeah, well ... you'll have to excuse me if I'm not too sympathetic. Last time I paid attention to Barrett Brown he was posting private emails I sent him online. This looks like poetic justice to me, assuming any of it is true at all.

276 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:38:45pm

WHY ARE LIBERALS TURNING ARE CHILDRENS INTO PEDOPHILES?

277 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:39:35pm

re: #274 SpaceJesus

a comment from that article:

"What's wrong is that now they are teaching, by law, grade-school children all about "alternative sexuality." In other words, they are being indoctrinated to accept this perverted practice as "normal." In liberal California, soon coming to a school near you. Who will stop the Democrats from turning generations of children into immoral and indecent pan-sexual creatures of the Left?"

WTF?

278 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:39:43pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

The update to the article says that it wasn't Anonymous who doxed him, but other unknown persons, possibly affiliated with the Zetas.

This detail does need to be made clear.

279 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:40:11pm

re: #276 SpaceJesus

WHY ARE LIBERALS TURNING ARE CHILDRENS INTO PEDOPHILES?

They should be doing manly things like sending them to Footballs camps!

Wait a sec...

280 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:40:57pm

re: #275 Charles

I have my doubts. If he was actually running for his life, why the hell would he advertise where he wanted to go? Let alone ask for donations to get there? Smell like a dead cat laying out in the sun to me.

281 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:41:26pm

re: #275 Charles

Yeah, well ... you'll have to excuse me if I'm not too sympathetic. Last time I paid attention to Barrett Brown he was posting private emails I sent him online. This looks like poetic justice to me, assuming any of it is true at all.

He also posted a youtube video asking people to give him my personal information. I can't seem to muster any sympathy for him either.

282 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:42:14pm

re: #274 SpaceJesus

a comment from that article:

"What's wrong is that now they are teaching, by law, grade-school children all about "alternative sexuality." In other words, they are being indoctrinated to accept this perverted practice as "normal." In liberal California, soon coming to a school near you. Who will stop the Democrats from turning generations of children into immoral and indecent pan-sexual creatures of the Left?"

Guess they haven't done the research to find out that, up until the whole case became public, Sandusky was...wait for it...married and raising several foster children?

283 theheat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:42:39pm

So 'bad guys' are after Barrett Brown? For real - this isn't bullshit?

284 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:43:38pm

immoral and indecent pan-sexual creatures of the Left

how come i never get invited to the really fun parties?

285 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:43:51pm

re: #283 theheat

good question. bb might just be making it all up for publicity

286 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:05pm

Brown is a shining example for all of us.

"Kids, don't be this guy!"

287 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:09pm

re: #215 SpaceJesus

barrett brown, professional liar and con man running for his life now

[Link: frontburner.dmagazine.com...]

Scam detectors blinking wildly here.

288 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:30pm

re: #274 SpaceJesus


I want "immoral and indecent pan-sexual creature of the Left" on my business cards

289 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:42pm

whatever becomes of BB is his fate...you play with fire you get burned....
means nothing to me whether he lives or dies

290 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:43pm

re: #283 theheat

So 'bad guys' are after Barrett Brown? For real - this isn't bullshit?

How the hell would anyone know? He lives in the no-truth zone.

291 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:44pm

re: #275 Charles

Yeah, well ... you'll have to excuse me if I'm not too sympathetic. Last time I paid attention to Barrett Brown he was posting private emails I sent him online. This looks like poetic justice to me, assuming any of it is true at all.

As much as I dislike Brown, I can't say that I approve of divulging of personal information like home addresses, or similar details in a case where there are individuals who have a desire to see him dead.
I would equate this to the radical anti-abortion groups like "Army of God" doing the same tactic with doctors who provide abortion services.

292 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:44:55pm

re: #274 SpaceJesus

a comment from that article:

"What's wrong is that now they are teaching, by law, grade-school children all about "alternative sexuality." In other words, they are being indoctrinated to accept this perverted practice as "normal." In liberal California, soon coming to a school near you. Who will stop the Democrats from turning generations of children into immoral and indecent pan-sexual creatures of the Left?"

Of course. I was expecting some of this to come out sooner or later. Or as I mentioned to someone this morning that the right-wingers will blame this on homosexuality and of course there usual meme of a "gay agenda." Of course this is absurd because it tantamount to equating male on female rape to heterosexuality.

293 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:46:46pm

re: #291 RadicalModerate

As much as I dislike Brown, I can't say that I approve of divulging of personal information like home addresses, or similar details in a case where there are individuals who have a desire to see him dead.
I would equate this to the radical anti-abortion groups like "Army of God" doing the same tactic with doctors who provide abortion services.

he'd fuck you up in a heartbeat of he wanted too...no sympathy from me

294 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:47:43pm

If I was a Zetas hitman, I would simply pray upon BB's greatest weakness by emailing him and tell him I'm a reporter for El Diario and I want to interview him about his amazing exploits with anonymous. In person.

295 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:48:13pm

*prey

296 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:48:46pm

re: #289 albusteve

BB?

Blazblue?

Bible Black?

(nerd joke ahoy)

297 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:49:32pm

re: #295 SpaceJesus

*prey

'Pencil' is good for 10 minutes, now.

298 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:49:52pm

re: #294 SpaceJesus

If I was a Zetas hitman, I would simply pray upon BB's greatest weakness by emailing him and tell him I'm a reporter for El Diario and I want to interview him about his amazing exploits with anonymous. In person.

of course....when the prey proves too elusive, bring them in via deceit, exploiting their vanity...good observation

299 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:50:22pm

Getting a little weird in here.

300 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:51:02pm

He threw it down so hard it bounced back up and the handle hit him in the face.

301 Kragar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:51:26pm

re: #296 windsagio

Bible Black?

(nerd joke ahoy)

ITS A TRAP!

302 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:52:12pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Getting a little weird in here.

'When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.'

303 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:52:37pm
Thing is though, Barrett needs someone to pay for a plane ticket. What’s that you say? Why would a guy with a reported six-figure book advance need help buying a plane ticket? Barrett says the advance money doesn’t roll in for another month or so. He promises to repay you at that time (if not earlier).

Jeez all that's missing is the Nigerian IP addy.

304 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:52:44pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

'When the going get weird, the weird turn pro.'

I thought they just bought chickens.

//

305 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:53:44pm

For what it's worth, I just couldn't give a crap.

306 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:54:09pm

i watch too many mafia movies

307 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:54:55pm

re: #296 windsagio

BB?

Blazblue?

Bible Black?

(nerd joke ahoy)

Brigitte Bardot....
the most beautiful woman in the world
[Link: 4.bp.blogspot.com...]

308 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:55:29pm

re: #301 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ITS A TRAP!

No no, this is a trap.

/

309 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:55:43pm

re: #305 b_sharp

For what it's worth, I just couldn't give a crap.

Might want to try Dulcolax.

///

310 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:55:51pm

re: #307 albusteve

That's not very nerdy steve >>

311 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:56:08pm

re: #306 SpaceJesus

i watch too many mafia movies

I love mob movies...not sure you can watch too many unless you start acting out

312 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:56:51pm

re: #284 engineer dog

immoral and indecent pan-sexual creatures of the Left

how come i never get invited to the really fun parties?

Because here in reality, we're really quite boring and run-of-the-mill.

313 windsagio  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:56:58pm

re: #308 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh snap. I'm sure Bridget changed so many lives and taugh so many lessons :D

314 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:57:54pm

re: #311 albusteve


i'll be an attorney who is also a mob boss on the side. breaking bad has nothing on this plot.

315 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:57:54pm

If not having health insurance results in 45,000 people dying every year you have to ask yourself. Who is it that wants to repeal health care reform which will allot these deaths to continue? Can you identify such a group? Does it have a name?

316 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:58:09pm

re: #310 windsagio

That's not very nerdy steve >>

I'm a nerd bust...I thought a 50 year old pic would do me
I just don't get it

317 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:58:36pm

re: #312 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Because here in reality, we're really quite boring and run-of-the-mill.

Speak for yourself, I'm 220lbs of fun and games.

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:58:42pm

re: #307 albusteve

Damn.

Just damn.

319 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:59:11pm

re: #307 albusteve

Brigitte Bardot...
the most beautiful woman in the world
[Link: 4.bp.blogspot.com...]

And she's nice to the animals.

Youtube Video
320 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:00:03pm

re: #293 albusteve

he'd fuck you up in a heartbeat of he wanted too...no sympathy from me

And you're certain of this because...?

Sounds like some form of ridiculous proxy-aggression on your part.

321 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:00:26pm

re: #319 Jimmah

she also hates muslims if i recall

322 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:00:33pm

re: #312 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Because here in reality, we're really quite boring and run-of-the-mill.

you are...as for me, I'm an exciting, interesting person that everyone wants to hang with...I'm a beast of manliness that saves babies and kittens from fire and death

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:00:34pm

re: #319 Jimmah

Moo? Baa? Woof!

324 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:01:10pm

re: #321 SpaceJesus

she also hates muslims if i recall

Yeah she's a total nut actually...it's coming back to me now...lol

325 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:01:53pm

re: #324 Jimmah

Yeah she's a total nut actually...it's coming back to me now...lol

That happens with age.

326 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:02:06pm

re: #322 albusteve

you are...

You live for my posts.

327 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:02:11pm

re: #314 SpaceJesus

i'll be an attorney who is also a mob boss on the side. breaking bad has nothing on this plot.

when you need thug, let me know

328 zora  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:02:35pm

Tea party TV ends in suit
Local investors claim they were defrauded Tea Party TV network scheme

A group of Middle Tennessee conservatives is suing a California businessman for $19 million, claiming he tricked them into investing in a sham business idea for a television network devoted to the tea party movement.

[Link: www.tennessean.com...]

they should have just watched fox news.

329 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:02:35pm

re: #322 albusteve

You sound like Railroad Bill.

330 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:02:50pm

Evening Lizardim. How go things in the land of the odd?

331 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:04:05pm

re: #317 b_sharp

Speak for yourself, I'm 220lbs of fun and games.

re: #322 albusteve

Lol both u guyz r pansexual creatures of the left?

I don't believe it!!

332 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:04:15pm

re: #328 zora

Tea party TV ends in suit
Local investors claim they were defrauded Tea Party TV network scheme

[Link: www.tennessean.com...]

they should have just watched fox news.

A fool and his money...

333 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:04:22pm

Anybody else here in a pissy mood?

334 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:04:55pm

re: #327 albusteve

when you need thug, let me know

You know some?

335 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:05:07pm

re: #329 000G

You sound like Railroad Bill.

probably me too...I lose track of my deeds and how magnificent I am

336 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:05:07pm

Higgs Boson...for you particle geeks. Nice series of diaries by a user named "science".

337 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:05:25pm

re: #332 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A fool and his money...

Are soon having sex in the back of a car.

338 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:05:50pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Anybody else here in a pissy mood?

Why the fuck should I tell you?

///

339 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:06:05pm

re: #229 Charles

Wow, it must have been like that for a couple of months now, but you're the first to mention it to me. It's fixed now.

I noticed at work, just kept forgetting before I got home. D'oh!

340 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:06:31pm

re: #336 darthstar

Higgs Boson...for you particle geeks. Nice series of diaries by a user named "science".

And just who are you to bring the dog particle to a sex party?

341 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:06:38pm

i have an off-the-wall GUI suggestion for Charles:

right now the LGF comment pages are hard coded to list in comment number/timestamp order

perhaps they could be sortable by name or by karma score?

342 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:07:25pm

re: #327 albusteve

when you need thug, let me know

My daughter's a union thug, but she can only freelance during school holidays.

343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:07:40pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Anybody else here in a pissy mood?

Who the GODDAM FUCKING HELL wants to know!!!

344 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:07:56pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Why the fuck should I tell you?

///

I piss in your general direction.

345 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:08:24pm

re: #342 Decatur Deb

My daughter's a union thug, but she can only freelance during school holidays.

one more thug and we could start a Mob Squad...must be a Negro tho

346 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:08:59pm

re: #307 albusteve

Brigitte Bardot...
the most beautiful woman in the world
[Link: 4.bp.blogspot.com...]

Steve reposted from a fashion blog. There's hope./

347 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:09:01pm

re: #344 b_sharp

I piss in your general direction.

Golden shower! You pan-sexual bastard! THINK OF THE FUCKING CHILDREN YOU MONSTER!!!

348 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:09:04pm

re: #344 b_sharp

I piss in your general direction.

Go fornicate with yourself vigorously!

///

349 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:09:46pm

re: #345 albusteve

one more thug and we could start a Mob Squad...must be a Negro tho

Could advertise on-line. There must be someone.

350 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:11:09pm

re: #343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Who the GODDAM FUCKING HELL wants to know!!!

What did you say?

See this line on the floor?

No, not that one, this one. The one with strawberry jam on it.

I dare you to cross that line.

351 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:11:17pm

re: #340 b_sharp

And just who are you to bring the dog particle to a sex party?

Sex party? Yay!

352 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:11:39pm

re: #345 albusteve

one more thug and we could start a Mob Squad...must be a Negro tho

Self-identified, or government-imposed?

You will not find many of the former anymore. I doubt even a dumb confederate conservative asshole like Herman Cain self-identifies as a Negro. He's a Morehouse Man, after all.

353 TedStriker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:12:11pm

re: #348 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Go fornicate with yourself vigorously!

///

I think that may be some Lizards' problem...they're getting tired of Rosie Palms.

///

354 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:12:26pm

re: #349 Decatur Deb

Could advertise on-line. There must be someone.

"wanted....handsome, genius Afro-American, with violent tendencies"

355 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:12:43pm

re: #353 talon_262

I think that may be some Lizards' problem...they're getting tired of Rosie Palms.

///

I have a son. Darned if I can remember how that happened, though.

356 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:12:50pm

re: #348 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Go fornicate with yourself vigorously!

///

I just did, but I broke a nail.

357 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:13:43pm

re: #352 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Self-identified, or government-imposed?

You will not find many of the former anymore. I doubt even a dumb confederate conservative asshole like Herman Cain self-identifies as a Negro. He's a Morehouse Man, after all.

And too individualistic to take help from UNCF.

358 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:15:14pm

re: #356 b_sharp

I just did, but I broke a nail.

heh...life is such a...beeyoch!

359 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:15:44pm

re: #348 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Go fornicate with yourself vigorously!

///

your maiden aunt from des moines fantasizes about clog dancing with albigensians

360 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:16:18pm

re: #353 talon_262

I think that may be some Lizards' problem...they're getting tired of Rosie Palms.

///

It's not a problem if you're willing to admit you're powerless over your uh...hm...and...and have a higher power take control of your...uh...hm...never mind.

361 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:16:27pm

re: #350 b_sharp

What did you say?

See this line on the floor?

No, not that one, this one. The one with strawberry jam on it.

I dare you to cross that line.

Reminds me of an old W.C. Fields set. WC Fields, and a surly waitress in a random diner. She gives him the menu, he looks over it. "Say, is there any goulash on this menu?"

She uses her apron to wipe something off the menu.

"That's roast beef gravy!"

362 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:16:53pm

re: #359 engineer dog

your maiden aunt from des moines fantasizes about clog dancing with albigensians

'Your mother mates out-of-season.'
--Scred

363 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:17:47pm

re: #354 albusteve

"wanted...handsome, genius Afro-American, with violent tendencies"

That sounds like our President, if you count killing terrorist motherfuckers as a violent tendency.

364 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:18:14pm

re: #361 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Reminds me of an old W.C. Fields set. WC Fields, and a surly waitress in a random diner. She gives him the menu, he looks over it. "Say, is there any goulash on this menu?"

She uses her apron to wipe something off the menu.

"That's roast beef gravy!"

The old guys sure knew how to write a joke.

365 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:20:34pm

re: #361 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Reminds me of an old W.C. Fields set. WC Fields, and a surly waitress in a random diner. She gives him the menu, he looks over it. "Say, is there any goulash on this menu?"

She uses her apron to wipe something off the menu.

"That's roast beef gravy!"

Fields was something...an American icon and a very interesting personality

366 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:20:45pm

re: #357 Decatur Deb

And too individualistic to take help from UNCF.

Though not individualistic enough to not go to Black Men's Harvard and join Black Men's fraternity, and still advocate for Black Affirmative Action, while the most bigoted conservative whites crown him as the Blackittyest Blacky, Ever in the World. lol

Conservatives are so full of shit.

367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:21:47pm

re: #363 darthstar

That sounds like our President, if you count killing terrorist motherfuckers as a violent tendency.

Also sounds like my girl, Condi.

368 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:22:22pm

re: #363 darthstar

That sounds like our President, if you count killing terrorist motherfuckers as a violent tendency.

he just says yes or no...killing terrorist are other peoples business...
you knew that tho

369 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:24:14pm

re: #368 albusteve

he just says yes or no...killing terrorist are other peoples business...
you knew that tho

Just like a mob boss.

370 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:24:18pm

re: #367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Also sounds like my girl, Condi.

She does the "Queen of Pain" style very effectively.

Image: CondiInMyBoots.jpg

371 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:24:29pm

Joe Paterno just hired a criminal defense attorney.

372 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:24:57pm

re: #368 albusteve

he just says yes or no...killing terrorist are other peoples business...
you knew that tho

And he gets blamed for making the wrong decision either way.

373 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:25:19pm

re: #370 Decatur Deb

She does the "Queen of Pain" style very effectively.

Image: CondiInMyBoots.jpg

Dayum... I'm not really one that goes for black girls, but she makes that outfit look good.

374 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:25:30pm

@CNBCbrk CNBC Breaking News
Joe Paterno has hired a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer to represent him in the Penn State sex abuse case - NBC

375 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:25:59pm

re: #371 Gus 802

Joe Paterno just hired a criminal defense attorney.

He shouldn't be the only one.

376 McSpiff  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:26:02pm

re: #374 Gus 802

@CNBCbrk CNBC Breaking News
Joe Paterno has hired a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer to represent him in the Penn State sex abuse case - NBC

That's not a good sign.

377 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:26:32pm

re: #375 darthstar

He shouldn't be the only one.

He won't be.

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:26:55pm

re: #370 Decatur Deb

She does the "Queen of Pain" style very effectively.

Image: CondiInMyBoots.jpg

Let's just say that I think a lot of guys who weren't crazy Libyan dictators liked that outfit.

Condi is hawt.

379 darthstar  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:28:24pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

Let's just say that I think a lot of guys who weren't crazy Libyan dictators liked that outfit.

Condi is hawt.

Bush's alleged affair with her was one of the few things I liked about him.

380 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:28:50pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

Let's just say that I think a lot of guys who weren't crazy Libyan dictators liked that outfit.

Condi is hawt.

And Michelle is hawter.

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:29:02pm

re: #379 darthstar

Bush's alleged affair with her was one of the few things I liked about him.

I think he just wishes...

382 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:29:52pm

re: #376 McSpiff

That's not a good sign.

Sure isn't.

383 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:30:09pm

re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he just wishes...

I doubt Condi stoops.

384 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:30:20pm

re: #374 Gus 802

@CNBCbrk CNBC Breaking News
Joe Paterno has hired a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer to represent him in the Penn State sex abuse case - NBC

He's going to need one, as I think he's going to be a defendant in either a criminal case or a civil case. He knew what had happened and never done everything that he could do to ensure it was 1) properly investigated and 2) ensure that Sandusky NEVER was near kids again. He may not get any jail time, but I can sure a hell guarantee you that he's going to be paying the victims a settlement over this.

385 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:31:13pm

re: #376 McSpiff

That's not a good sign.

The more that comes out, the deeper the rabbit hole goes. Paterno is in the clear regarding the 2002 incident, but there's no telling what other things have happened on his watch that he'll have to answer for.

386 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:33:21pm

This is not how you handle a chicane in motorsports:

Youtube Video
387 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:36:25pm

re: #386 commadore183

This is not how you handle a chicane in motorsports:

[Video]

Ralph is no Michael.

388 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:37:04pm

re: #386 commadore183

This is not how you handle a chicane in motorsports:

[Video]

That looked like a fun ride.

389 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:37:51pm

re: #388 thedopefishlives

That looked like a fun ride.

Probably was fun until the nose-first landing, then it wasn't so fun anymore LOL

390 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:38:22pm

re: #385 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The more that comes out, the deeper the rabbit hole goes. Paterno is in the clear regarding the 2002 incident, but there's no telling what other things have happened on his watch that he'll have to answer for.

I think it's too early to say he's in the clear about 2002. Way too many possibilities of him being involved in covering things up for that to get a handwave.

391 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:38:40pm

re: #388 thedopefishlives

That looked like a fun ride.

Probably cost a lot of money, it better have been fun. :)

392 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:39:53pm

re: #391 makeitstop

"You must be this tall to ride the Schumi-Shuttle."

393 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:40:24pm

re: #369 b_sharp

Just like a mob boss.

exactly the same...
ice him?...done

394 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:40:51pm

re: #388 thedopefishlives

That looked like a fun ride.

Here's an even more fun ride.

Youtube Video
395 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:41:17pm

re: #372 darthstar

And he gets blamed for making the wrong decision either way.

he's a tough guy, no?....he can take the heat

396 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:41:37pm

re: #389 commadore183

Probably was fun until the nose-first landing, then it wasn't so fun anymore LOL

I can just imagine what had to be going through his head between the time he lost his front end and the time said front end (or lack thereof) caused him to go spinning off into the dirt.

397 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:42:41pm

re: #396 thedopefishlives

I can just imagine what had to be going through his head between the time he lost his front end and the time said front end (or lack thereof) caused him to go spinning off into the dirt.

Now what would my brother do...

398 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:43:15pm

re: #394 b_sharp

Here's an even more fun ride.


[Video]

So we're going to play that game, eh? This was one of the scariest I'd ever seen:

Youtube Video
399 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:44:16pm

re: #394 b_sharp

Here's an even more fun ride.

[Video]

Peter Dumbreck has that easily beat:

Youtube Video
400 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:44:24pm

re: #390 kirkspencer

I think it's too early to say he's in the clear about 2002. Way too many possibilities of him being involved in covering things up for that to get a handwave.

True enough. I've heard more than a few voices, since yesterday, that have called for the NCAA to assign the death penalty to Penn State. That a failure to do so would be the final proof that what matters, what has mattered since the beginning of this whole sordid affair, is the money that can be wrung out of football at Penn State.

401 Atlas Fails  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:44:33pm

I posted this on another thread, but I think it bears repeating. As I've made clear before, this whole Penn State affair has me very emotional.

For what it's worth, I have friends who attend Penn State who are just as disgusted by this embarrassing display from their fellow students as we are. Some of them plan to participate in a "blue out" to honor the victims at the game this Saturday. The others are too sickened by the whole debacle to even go to the game.

402 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:45:03pm

War....toy piano
why knot?

Youtube Video
403 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:46:03pm

re: #398 thedopefishlives

So we're going to play that game, eh? This was one of the scariest I'd ever seen:

[Video]

I watched a lot of open wheel racing. This one tore my heart out as soon as I recognized the car.

Youtube Video
404 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:47:34pm

There are probably lots of excellent programs that utilize sports to help underprivileged youths that are about to get pitched.

This is a tragedy.

405 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:48:04pm

re: #403 b_sharp

I watched a lot of open wheel racing. This one tore my heart out as soon as I recognized the car.


[Video]

I've only ever watched the Indianapolis 500, being from Indiana. My family was into NASCAR for a few years, starting not long after Earnhardt Sr. got himself killed, and some of those accidents have been even more spectacular than the one I linked. However, to their credit, they learned the lessons from Earnhardt's death, and no one else has died in a stock car since.

406 TedStriker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:48:45pm

re: #398 thedopefishlives

So we're going to play that game, eh? This was one of the scariest I'd ever seen:

[Video]

Nah...this one has "Holy Shit!" all over it:

Youtube Video
407 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:49:50pm

re: #405 thedopefishlives

I've only ever watched the Indianapolis 500, being from Indiana. My family was into NASCAR for a few years, starting not long after Earnhardt Sr. got himself killed, and some of those accidents have been even more spectacular than the one I linked. However, to their credit, they learned the lessons from Earnhardt's death, and no one else has died in a stock car since.

no drag racing?...roundy round is super boring, made for TV...gasp!

408 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:52:27pm

re: #406 talon_262

Nah...this one has "Holy Shit!" all over it:

[Video]

Not an accident in the traditional sense, but I wouldn't want to be in the hot seat (heh heh heh):

Youtube Video
409 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:53:19pm

re: #406 talon_262

I was actually looking for that video. That's easily in the top-5 most destructive non-fatal crash in motorsports history.

re: #407 albusteve

And all drag racers do is go in a straight line. See, one can play that game.

Each discipline has their own styles and skills a driver needs to excel. No one form of motorsport is better or worse than another.

(Full disclosure: I watch every form of motorsports I can)

410 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:53:41pm

there is only one premier racing...
you got your car, this here is my car...
we're gonna go down the road til the engine blows or somebody loses...
drag racing

411 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:53:43pm

re: #405 thedopefishlives

I've only ever watched the Indianapolis 500, being from Indiana. My family was into NASCAR for a few years, starting not long after Earnhardt Sr. got himself killed, and some of those accidents have been even more spectacular than the one I linked. However, to their credit, they learned the lessons from Earnhardt's death, and no one else has died in a stock car since.

Open wheel is more dangerous than NASCAR so to keep speeds down they change the car but they tend to make some good decisions and some really bad ones. The year Greg died, they lowered the downforce. That directly led to his loss of control and his death when his car left the ground.

412 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:54:39pm

re: #411 b_sharp

Open wheel is more dangerous than NASCAR so to keep speeds down they change the car but they tend to make some good decisions and some really bad ones. The year Greg died, they lowered the downforce. That directly led to his loss of control and his death when his car left the ground.

NASCAR has been making a lot of car changes since the flip video I linked, in order to prevent cars from flipping over at the superspeedways. There was another, more destructive accident where the car lifted off and slammed back into the pavement on its roof. I'll see if I can find it.

413 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:54:52pm

re: #409 commadore183

I was actually looking for that video. That's easily in the top-5 most destructive non-fatal crash in motorsports history.

re: #407 albusteve

And all drag racers do is go in a straight line. See, one can play that game.

Each discipline has their own styles and skills a driver needs to excel. No one form of motorsport is better or worse than another.

(Full disclosure: I watch every form of motorsports I can)

fast cars and tunnel vision...I dig speed

414 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:55:37pm

re: #406 talon_262

Nah...this one has "Holy Shit!" all over it:

[Video]

Danica Patrick had a similar crash in a Champ car. Not much left of it at the end, but she walked away.

415 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:55:41pm

Just saw that Chavez's cancer is "progressing faster than expected".

So; it's progressing nicely.

416 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:56:21pm

re: #412 thedopefishlives

Youtube Video
417 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:57:45pm

drag racing is BOLD and PROVOCATIVE!...
like me

418 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:59:17pm

re: #411 b_sharp

Open wheel is more dangerous than NASCAR so to keep speeds down they change the car but they tend to make some good decisions and some really bad ones. The year Greg died, they lowered the downforce. That directly led to his loss of control and his death when his car left the ground.

When Dan Wheldon died, my dad had a hard time with that one. He actually met Dan at the Indianapolis International Airport after the 500. He was a good racer and an all-around good guy. Racing isn't all fun and games, no matter how hard they try to make it safe.

419 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:59:23pm

re: #408 thedopefishlives

Youtube Video

Like the Schumacher one I posted, the track is AVUS, which was a section of the German Autobahn near Berlin sectioned off and the cars raced down and up it, with just two turn connecting it: A tight hairpin in the south turn, and a long looping right in the north, with a chicane between the south turn and the Nordschleife (North Loop). AVUS's north turn used to be banked nearly 40 degrees in the 50s, but there was no wall to keep any cars from flying off of it, so obviously cars began to fly off (one driver died in a crash) and they decided to tear down the banking. The last race on AVUS was in 2000 or so.

420 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:00:50pm

re: #419 commadore183

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

421 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:01:18pm

Niki Lauda at Zolder in Brabham BT46

Youtube Video
422 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:02:25pm

re: #418 thedopefishlives

When Dan Wheldon died, my dad had a hard time with that one. He actually met Dan at the Indianapolis International Airport after the 500. He was a good racer and an all-around good guy. Racing isn't all fun and games, no matter how hard they try to make it safe.

not wanting to seem cold, but crashes are the allure to all motor sports, maybe less so in drag racing...people dig death and destruction

423 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:03:35pm
Youtube Video
424 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:04:20pm

re: #418 thedopefishlives

When Dan Wheldon died, my dad had a hard time with that one. He actually met Dan at the Indianapolis International Airport after the 500. He was a good racer and an all-around good guy. Racing isn't all fun and games, no matter how hard they try to make it safe.

Greg had the record for youngest driver with a win in Champ/Indy a few years before he died. He was, by all accounts, a terrific young man. The year he died I was really pissed about the changes to the down force and predicted a bad wreck because of it.

425 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:04:38pm

Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft (DTM, the previous incarnation) on the legendard Nurburgring Nordschleife:

Youtube Video
426 Olsonist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:05:36pm

re: #422 albusteve

not wanting to seem cold, but crashes are the allure to all motor sports, maybe less so in drag racing...people dig death and destruction

Exactly. It's like fighting in hockey. Take fighting out of hockey and you have mens figure skating. Take car crashes out of NASCAR and you have competitive commuting.

427 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:06:37pm

re: #423 000G

[Video]

Youtube Video
428 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:08:21pm

re: #426 Olsonist

Exactly. It's like fighting in hockey. Taking fighting out of hockey and you have mens figure skating. Take car crashes out of NASCAR and you have competitive commuting.

at 200mph, a motor cycle can toss the driver over three miles...fact

429 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:09:44pm

re: #417 albusteve

drag racing is BOLD and PROVOCATIVE!...
like me

Heard the GOP is desperately looking for candidates of your calibre.

431 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:11:11pm

Damn. That's insane.

432 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:11:19pm

re: #429 Decatur Deb

Heard the GOP is desperately looking for candidates of your calibre.

I just create reality, I don't explain it....
I can herd sheep as well as anybody I bet

433 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:13:12pm

re: #431 Gus 802

Damn. That's insane.

yeah...those guys are out for blood...crazy Latinos and their machismo

435 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:13:22pm

re: #432 albusteve

I just create reality, I don't explain it...
I can herd sheep as well as anybody I bet

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

/Hey, that sounds like something Herman Cain would say

436 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:13:27pm

re: #432 albusteve

I just create reality, I don't explain it...
I can herd sheep as well as anybody I bet

If you can remember 3 things for 90 minutes, you're in.

437 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:16:10pm

They can get a a license plate like that when we start celebrating Union Appreciation Victory Month. in the non traitorous part of the country.

You know, celebrating our rich history of kicking the confederacy's ass!

438 freetoken  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:16:34pm

The future of our soldiers athletes?


Tweaking a gene makes muscles twice as strong

A team of researchers at EPFL, the University of Lausanne and the Salk Institute created super strong, marathon mice and nematodes by reducing the function of a natural inhibitor, suggesting treatments for age-related or genetically caused muscle degeneration are within reach.

It turns out that a tiny inhibitor may be responsible for how strong and powerful our muscles can be. This is the surprising conclusion reached by scientists in EPFL's Laboratory of Integrative Systems Physiology (LISP), in collaboration with a group in the Center for Integrative Genomics at the University of Lausanne and at the Salk Institute in California. By acting on a receptor (NCoR1), they were able to modulate the transcription of certain genes, creating a strain of mighty mice whose muscles were twice a strong as those of normal mice.

[...]

In an article appearing today in the journal Cell, a team led by EPFL professor Johan Auwerx reports on the results of experiments done in parallel on mice and nematodes. By genetically manipulating the offspring of these species, the researchers were able to suppress the NCoR1 corepressor, which normally acts to inhibit the buildup of muscle tissues.

In the absence of the inhibitor, the muscle tissue developed much more effectively. The mice with the mutation became true marathoners, capable of running faster and longer before showing any signs of fatigue. In fact, they were able to cover almost twice the distance run by mice that hadn't received the treatment. They also exhibited better cold tolerance.

Unlike previous experiments with so-called super mice, this study addresses the way energy is burned in the muscle and the way the muscle is built. Examination under a microscope confirmed that the muscle fibers of the modified mice are denser, the muscles are more massive, and the cells in the tissue contain higher numbers of mitochondria--cellular organelles that deliver energy to the muscles.

Similar results were also observed in nematode worms, allowing the scientists to conclude that their results could be applicable to a large range of living creatures.

Obese but not diabetic

According to a second article published in the same journal and also involving EPFL's LISP Laboratory, suppressing the NCoR1 receptor in adipose tissues (fat) also led to interesting results. By acting on this corepressor, it was possible to fundamentally change the corpulence of the mice being studied without inducing weight-related diseases. "The specimens that became obese via this treatment did not suffer from diabetes, unlike mice who become obese for other reasons," notes Auwerx.

The scientists have not yet detected any deleterious side effects associated with eliminating the NCoR1 receptor from muscle and fat tissues, [...]

In addition, they give a glimpse at possible long-term therapeutic applications. "This could be used to combat muscle weakness in the elderly, which leads to falls and contributes to hospitalizations," emphasizes Auwerx. [...]

439 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:16:46pm

re: #436 Decatur Deb

If you can remember 3 things for 90 minutes, you're in.

mother
son
holy ghost

440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:16:51pm

re: #428 albusteve

at 200mph, a motor cycle can toss the driver over three miles...fact

You mean like the slow motion Evel Knieval Caesars Palace rolling over and over?

441 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:16:51pm

re: #430 Gus 802

Best F1 Duel - Gilles Villeneuve x Rene Arnoux , NA v Turbo

[Video]

Bumping wheels in open wheel is not a good idea.

Gilles' kid, Jacques had some interesting duels with Michael Schumaker a few years back but they just tried to knock each other out of the race.

442 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:16:55pm

re: #433 albusteve

yeah...those guys are out for blood...crazy Latinos and their machismo

Yeah. Gilles was from Canada and unfortunately died while racing at the age of 32.

443 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:17:30pm

re: #441 b_sharp

Bumping wheels in open wheel is not a good idea.

Gilles' kid, Jacques had some interesting duels with Michael Schumaker a few years back but they just tried to knock each other out of the race.

The 70s were crazy. ;)

444 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:17:45pm

re: #433 albusteve

yeah...those guys are out for blood...crazy Latinos and their machismo

Villeneuve was Canadian.

445 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:18:21pm

re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You mean like the slow motion Evel Knieval Caesars Palace rolling over and over?

was that cool or what?...what kind of idiot would do that?...I loved it

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:18:41pm

re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Youtube Video
447 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:19:09pm

re: #444 b_sharp

Villeneuve was Canadian.

I made up a riff...you didn't notice

448 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:19:37pm

re: #444 b_sharp

Villeneuve was Canadian.

You might enjoy this. It's about that race:

Villeneuve was joined by Jody Scheckter in 1979 after Carlos Reutemann moved to Lotus. Villeneuve won three races during the year. The 1979 French Grand Prix is remembered for Villeneuve's wheel-banging duel with René Arnoux in the last laps of the race.[22] Arnoux passed Villeneuve for second place with three laps to go, but Villeneuve re-passed him on the next lap. On the final lap Arnoux attempted to pass Villeneuve again, and the pair ran side-by-side through the first few corners of the lap, making contact several times. Arnoux took the position but Villeneuve attempted an outside pass one corner later. The cars bumped hard, Villeneuve slid wide but then passed Arnoux on the inside at a hairpin turn and held him off for the last half of the lap to secure second place. Villeneuve commented afterwards, "I tell you, that was really fun! I thought for sure we were going to get on our heads, you know, because when you start interlocking wheels it's very easy for one car to climb over another."[23] At the Dutch Grand Prix a slow puncture collapsed Villeneuve's left rear tyre and put him off the track. He returned to the circuit and limped back to the pits on three wheels, losing the damaged wheel on the way. On his return to the pits Villeneuve insisted that the team replace the missing wheel, and had to be persuaded that the car was beyond repair.[24] Villeneuve could have won the World Championship by beating Scheckter at the Italian Grand Prix, but chose to follow team orders and finish behind him, ending his own championship challenge. The pair finished first and second in the championship, with Scheckter beating Villeneuve by just four points. During the extremely wet Friday practice session for the season-ending United States Grand Prix, Villeneuve set a time variously reported to be either 9 or 11 seconds faster than any other driver. His team-mate Jody Scheckter, who was second fastest, recalled that "I scared myself rigid that day. I thought I had to be quickest. Then I saw Gilles's time and — I still don't really understand how it was possible. Eleven seconds!"

449 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:20:07pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

Agree with some of what you're saying here, but not this. I do not think the point was to honor slavery per se, but it was, inherently, to honor not only the cause, but the behavior of those who have used that cause in every generation to justify racism, violence, and godawful whininess.

They're trying to legitimize the Confederacy, and the godawful baggage that goes with that flag, including some recent dumbass talk out of Texas about another try at secession, and it's not OK.

The truest mark of reconciliation for me is that in the years since the war, Texans of all colors have fought in some much better wars, and some bad ones too, under the flag of the United States of America. Let's stick with that one.

(Realize you are not supporting the license plate, just feel you're giving a little too much credibility to the slimy, doubletalking SOBs trying to push this through.)

I'm making a meta-point. It's not a good idea to impute to the other side the worst motives. It closes down dialog. It's a relief you abstained from calling me sick and twisted here, but the folks backing this measure just might not be slimy, doubletalking SOB's. They might instead be---wrong.

They might not have given much thought to the prospect that a lot of folk on the roads would take the logo as a slap in the face. It might not even have occurred to them. Believe it or not, there's circles in Texas where the stars and bars represents, not slavery, nor KKK, but Pickett's charge and Appomattox.

The visceral fury that my mild mannered defense, not of the proposed action, but of the possible motives of the backers, evoked, is evidence of a tendency to assign the worst of motives to people.

Some sense of perspective may be found in contemplation of this little experiment recounted in Steven Pinker's recent book on the history of violence.

Two subjects are given a device which includes a slot for your finger, which can be pressed on by another subject to deliver a measured, quite bearable, little dose of discomfort. The device, in fact, measures exactly how much.

Participants take turns pressing on each others' fingers. Each is instructed, before the start, to press with exactly the same force that the other had just used on them.

On average, after a few rounds, the pressure had escalated to 18 times its initial measured value.

We see our own side differently.

Keeping this in mind, I try to look for a possible less malignant motive or driving principle behind things. It's a way of discounting this my-side-good other-side-bad bias that's built into the hardware of my human cognitive tool set.

450 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:20:19pm

re: #442 Gus 802

Yeah. Gilles was from Canada and unfortunately died while racing at the age of 32.

He never did win the championship. Jacques did though.

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:21:43pm

re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[Video]

As a result of the crash, Knievel received a crushed pelvis and femur, fractures to his hip, wrist and both ankles and a concussion that kept him in a coma for 29 days.

452 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:22:58pm

re: #447 albusteve

I made up a riff...you didn't notice

Damn, I'm way too serious to see the fun things today. I gotta lighten up.

453 Gus  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:23:18pm

re: #450 b_sharp

He never did win the championship. Jacques did though.

We all loved Gilles at the time.

454 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:24:37pm

re: #448 Gus 802

I did enjoy that...thanks
something about racing that I like...cool looking cars, loud engines, rubber, nitro and gas in the air...chics, food, more noise, gigantic horsepower

455 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:26:04pm

re: #449 lostlakehiker

I don't think politicians in Texas supporting this are naive to to the confederate flag's meaning to black people

I'm sorry, I don't think they're that clueless

456 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:26:31pm

re: #452 b_sharp

Damn, I'm way too serious to see the fun things today. I gotta lighten up.

I tried a joke...Euros are road racers and guys with Mexican names rock

457 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:27:30pm

re: #449 lostlakehiker

average guy somewhere who has never been in politics, perhaps


Land Commissioner? No. he knows what he's doing

458 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:29:00pm

re: #449 lostlakehiker

I'm making a meta-point. It's not a good idea to impute to the other side the worst motives.

Too bad the side a bunch of your Confederate ancestors fought on, lost.

They did have the worst motives

It closes down dialog. It's a relief you abstained from calling me sick and twisted here, but the folks backing this measure just might not be slimy, doubletalking SOB's. They might instead be---wrong.

They're quite likely states rights butthurt bigots. In any case, they're conservative Republican bigots

459 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:29:12pm

re: #454 albusteve

I did enjoy that...thanks
something about racing that I like...cool looking cars, loud engines, rubber, nitro and gas in the air...chics, food, more noise, gigantic horsepower

I started with drag racing and moved to Indy/Champ and F1. They all have two things in common - power and speed. I built several street engines back in the '70s because I wanted a piece of both.

460 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:29:47pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

You really do specialize in non-thoughts.

Remember when you called this a hate site?

Yes. It was at the point when the thread became a hate-fest against anyone or any institution that would refuse, on principle, to perform abortions.

I think abortion is a necessary backstop to contraception. I think women have a right to abort unwanted pregnancies. But that doesn't, to me, translate into a right to outlaw Catholicism because Catholic hospitals won't perform abortions. Or even to a right to shut down all Catholic hospitals.

Consider the tone. The tone here is getting away from measured, deliberate, peace-seeking, and consensus seeking. I've strayed, myself...but things have gone beyond occasional bursts of frustration.

461 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:29:49pm

re: #455 WindUpBird

I don't think politicians in Texas supporting this are naive to to the confederate flag's meaning to black people

I'm sorry, I don't think they're that clueless

Not just black people, either. One need not be black to take offense to enslavement by stupid conservative bigots.

462 albusteve  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:31:14pm

re: #459 b_sharp

I started with drag racing and moved to Indy/Champ and F1. They all have two things in common - power and speed. I built several street engines back in the '70s because I wanted a piece of both.

build up an old muscle car if you can afford it...make some money...that market is off the meter

463 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:31:48pm

re: #460 lostlakehiker

Yes. It was at the point when the thread became a hate-fest against anyone or any institution that would refuse, on principle, to perform abortions.

I think abortion is a necessary backstop to contraception. I think women have a right to abort unwanted pregnancies. But that doesn't, to me, translate into a right to outlaw Catholicism because Catholic hospitals won't perform abortions. Or even to a right to shut down all Catholic hospitals.

Consider the tone. The tone here is getting away from measured, deliberate, peace-seeking, and consensus seeking. I've strayed, myself...but things have gone beyond occasional bursts of frustration.

What do you think the consensus is supposed bo be on the topic of white conservative enslavement of blacks?

Please instruct me in the proper tone to use when discussing that topic.

464 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:32:35pm

re: #455 WindUpBird

I don't think politicians in Texas supporting this are naive to to the confederate flag's meaning to black people

I'm sorry, I don't think they're that clueless

That's not very peaceful or consensus-seeking!!

465 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:35:26pm

re: #462 albusteve

build up an old muscle car if you can afford it...make some money...that market is off the meter

I wish. The closest I can come is to supercharge my Cherokee 5.9 next summer.

466 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:44:02pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

meanwhile, neighborhoods ruined by the subdivision, by the county, every day, failling into ghost towns, families wiped out, underwater on houses they put their lives in

like, actual billions of $$ of peoples' value and net worth lost. That is "violence" done to people, what's been done to their lives because their home values have cratered, everything they put into their homes, poof, gone, neighborhoods deserted, economy ruined because we now have broken our real estate market, the one market that kept us on the road and out of the weeds.

but let's worry about frowny hippies instead because hippie punching is easier.

Rising home prices are not an undiluted good, and falling home prices are not violence. When average homes cost more than the average person can hope to afford, it does no good for Fannie and Freddie to encourage bankers and other lenders to extend however much credit it takes to would be buyers. That just serves to inflate a bubble.

Jimmy Johnson, Franklin Raines, Newt Gingrich, Peter Orszag---the dishonor roll is long. The banks were not the only ones at fault. Government encouraged reckless lending and enabled much of it by buying mortgages and putting them on the books as if they were likely to be paid off. Regulators were emasculated---political pressure brought to bear so they'd back off. Banks that wouldn't lend on those reckless terms were pilloried.

The Bush administration, and before it, the Clinton administration, were all hot to see more and more people buying houses, at higher and higher prices. And now we're seeing the same thing in education. Borrow some ungodly sum. Spend whatever it takes for an education. A college education is a ticket to the good life and a big salary. Any degree, any major, any college.

Well, that's not true either, and the number of graduates with degrees that cannot be translated into high earnings, or maybe into any earnings, is soaring. The answer isn't more student loans. That just digs the borrowers deeper into debt. The loans also serve to inflate the price of college. And so even as we stagger under the consequences of the previous bubble, we're inflating another one.

467 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 5:48:03pm

re: #463 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What do you think the consensus is supposed bo be on the topic of white conservative enslavement of blacks?

Please instruct me in the proper tone to use when discussing that topic.

The topic was actually a proposed license plate logo. Whether it meant slavery, or whether it meant something else, would be partly in the eye of the beholder.

To you, it says slavery. To me, the stars and bars say wrong side, wrong cause, --- but they don't say that the guy driving around with that decoration is human vermin. I've seen enough Texans of that stripe to know better.

I know that the confederate states seceded because they wanted to preserve slavery. I don't know, and you don't know, that everyone who wants a stars and bars logo knows that too, and sees it as the most important part of the story.

468 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:01:12pm

re: #467 lostlakehiker

To you, it says slavery.

Actually, you should ask me what it means to me. It means a lot more to me than just "slavery".

I'm not alone, either.

To me, the stars and bars say wrong side, wrong cause, --- but they don't say that the guy driving around with that decoration is human vermin.

"Human vermin" is an oxymoron. No one here has used it or said that about the guy driving around with that decoration.

Your defense of it is unnecessary, and reveals your personal anxiety about this topic.

Plus, you did not answer the question, which was a request for guidance on how to discuss the topic of whites-rule confederacy.

469 wilburs  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:03:10pm

meanwhile

the koolaid over at Fox seems to be a little bitter

A few comments from red state.....

"I have completely lost all respect for: Hannity, Rush, Ann Coulter, Malkin. The Ann Coulter Malkin and Hannity are like little school girls/guys with a crush on Cain – it is sicking.

I don’t believe it but I have started watching CNN. Most confusing."

followed by

"I didn’t even have CNN on my cable package until I got it to watch one of the first debates. Now I am off Fox, unless I hear that Perry is going to be on one of the shows."

We seem to be moving ever closer to the ginormas apocalyptic wingnut catfight.

Me, I'm quietly buying up popcorn futures.

470 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:15:38pm

re: #469 wilburs

meanwhile

the koolaid over at Fox seems to be a little bitter

A few comments from red state...

"I have completely lost all respect for: Hannity, Rush, Ann Coulter, Malkin. The Ann Coulter Malkin and Hannity are like little school girls/guys with a crush on Cain – it is sicking.

Haha they talked in the same sexually-jealous terms about Obama.

/Schadenfreude

Me, I'm quietly buying up popcorn futures.

Good one. Good idea.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:17:17pm

re: #449 lostlakehiker

They might not have given much thought to the prospect that a lot of folk on the roads would take the logo as a slap in the face. It might not even have occurred to them. Believe it or not, there's circles in Texas where the stars and bars represents, not slavery, nor KKK, but Pickett's charge and Appomattox.

If they seriously do not understand the way in which this flag has been used, and continues to be used, and the reasons many people on the road--myself included--would take the use of the Confederate battle flag as a slap in the face, then they're...at the the kindest...remarkably naive.

And if they really do not understand that it's problematic to ask that the flag of a defunct nation whose entire history was spent at war with the United States of America to be put on the license plates of one of the states of the United States of America...then maybe they need to learn some history outside of Pickett's Charge and Appomattox.

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:22:12pm

re: #467 lostlakehiker

The topic was actually a proposed license plate logo. Whether it meant slavery, or whether it meant something else, would be partly in the eye of the beholder.

To you, it says slavery. To me, the stars and bars say wrong side, wrong cause, --- but they don't say that the guy driving around with that decoration is human vermin. I've seen enough Texans of that stripe to know better.

I know that the confederate states seceded because they wanted to preserve slavery. I don't know, and you don't know, that everyone who wants a stars and bars logo knows that too, and sees it as the most important part of the story.

Let them buy a flag, and fly it from their vehicle. Or house. Or whatever they like. I'm not complaining.

But there's no way to make it an OK thing to put on a state license plate. And I'm pretty sure the gentlemen who proposed it were not naive about the implications.

473 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:31:26pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

If they seriously do not understand the way in which this flag has been used, and continues to be used, and the reasons many people on the road--myself included--would take the use of the Confederate battle flag as a slap in the face, then they're...at the the kindest...remarkably naive.

And if they really do not understand that it's problematic to ask that the flag of a defunct nation whose entire history was spent at war with the United States of America to be put on the license plates of one of the states of the United States of America...then maybe they need to learn some history outside of Pickett's Charge and Appomattox.

As someone who has ancestors that left scotland and are now buried in confederate cemetaries in North Carolina - I say that the confederate flag is a traitors symbol. Many people who fought for the confederacy - the poorest whites who didn't have slaves or property - had no choice but to fight. They were conscripted or despatched by their employers.

Clinging to that flag these days though is traitorous.

474 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:59:29pm

re: #473 wozzablog

As someone who has ancestors that left scotland and are now buried in confederate cemetaries in North Carolina - I say that the confederate flag is a traitors symbol. Many people who fought for the confederacy - the poorest whites who didn't have slaves or property - had no choice but to fight. They were conscripted or despatched by their employers.

Clinging to that flag these days though is traitorous.

You make my point. If you were right, it would follow that those who proposed this measure should be hauled before a court and tried on charges of treason. On conviction, they'd be eligible for the death penalty.

You're using a word that's overkill for the situation. The stars and bars is the best-known emblem of one side in our civil war. The side that lost, as it ought to have lost. The side that should never have embarked on the effort in the first place. The side that, in the final analysis, was fighting for an indefensible, morally abominable cause.

And yet, in Lincolns' words, "with malice toward none, with charity toward all...". The losers were not executed for treason. Not even the leadership. They were accepted back into society as folk who had gone wrong but would be forgiven, more or less.

Today's stars and bars crowd is, on the whole, a fairly backward rural bunch. They vote, and the guys they elect try to please them, and have to be voted down by cooler and wiser heads. They aren't trying to bring back slavery, though. They don't want to secede. They work away at tough jobs, listen to country western, drink more cheap beer than is good for them, and fight once in a while. They're nowhere near as stupid as they are ignorant, and they can surprise you with what they do know in their own realm. Lincoln was right to want to have them [their type, that is] back as citizens.

475 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 7:03:56pm

re: #460 lostlakehiker

Consider the tone. The tone here is getting away from measured, deliberate, peace-seeking, and consensus seeking. I've strayed, myself...but things have gone beyond occasional bursts of frustration.

Seriously? Was the tone "measured, deliberate, peace-seeking, and consensus seeking" back in 2006 when you registered? Because the few times I accidentally ended up here it sure as hell didn't seem that way to me.

476 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 7:08:51pm

re: #474 lostlakehiker

It is the flag of what was a country that broke away from the USA and waged a war of aggression against the USA....in order to try and keep people in bondage.

There is nothing about any of that which deserves to be mollycoddled.

Young men who were conscripted into the southern army died - they had no stake in the fight and were made worse off by the continuation of slavery.

Many young german boys were killed fighting for Germany during WW2 after being brainwashed and conscripted - is a public Swastika ok because their warrantless sacrifice is remembered?. "hey, just thinking of the kids man".

There are some symbols that are so outrageous - that are such an affront to common memories and decency that they should just be let go.

477 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 7:26:03pm

re: #475 CuriousLurker

Seriously? Was the tone "measured, deliberate, peace-seeking, and consensus seeking" back in 2006 when you registered? Because the few times I accidentally ended up here it sure as hell didn't seem that way to me.

Lol I always love fingerwagging about "tone".

To me, "watch your tone!!" typically means "you stop talking about things that make me uncomfortable and nervous!!!"

478 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 7:43:45pm

re: #477 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol I always love fingerwagging about "tone".

To me, "watch your tone!!" typically means "you stop talking about things that make me uncomfortable and nervous!!!"

You nailed it. I don't usually go into the archives becuase it's highly unpleasant for me, however just to be sure my memory wasn't playing tricks on me I went back and looked over the articles & comments for November 10, 2006. Many of the comments are as ugly as I remember, and that's minus the worst (deleted) ones. I saw plenty of familiar nics too—amazing how much some attitudes appear to have changed in the intervening years.

479 SidewaysQuark  Fri, Nov 11, 2011 8:10:13am
“These veterans need to be honored, too,” James, whose organization requested the plate, told the board.

Well, honor the veterans then, by name. Displaying that flag honors the Confederacy, not the veterans.

480 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 11, 2011 8:40:56am

Fuck the Confederate flag.

Don't give me this bullshit of honoring the vets or it's a symbol of pride nonsense.
You don't see these excuses for flying the swastika.


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