Herman Cain Back to Hating Muslims

Someone told him all Muslims are terrorists, and he believes it

WingnutsNovember 2011 • Views: 25,860

Herman Cain’s interview with GQ magazine shows him returning to the anti-Muslim hate-baiting that serves him so well with the Republican base. Apparently he thinks a little more bigotry can help him recover from his sexual harassment scandal.

Herman Cain posing with anti-Muslim hate monger Pamela GellerDevin Gordon: What did you think about the fuss around your comments about Muslims. [Cain said in March that, if elected, he wouldn’t feel “comfortable” appointing a Muslim to his cabinet] Did you think that you were treated fairly in that conversation?

Herman Cain: No, because a lot of people misrepresented what I said. I know that there are peaceful Muslims, and there are extremists. I have nothing against peaceful Muslims. Nothing whatsoever. But I also know that we must be careful of extremists and we must be careful of the tendency by some groups in this country to infuse their beliefs into our laws and our culture.

Devin Gordon: Do you think that there is a greater tendency among the Muslim faith for that kind of extremism?

Herman Cain: That would be a judgment call that I’m probably not qualified to make, because I can’t speak on behalf of the entire Muslim community. I have talked with Muslims that are peaceful Muslims. And I have had one very well known Muslim voice say to me directly that a majority of Muslims share the extremist views.

Chris Heath: A majority?

Herman Cain: Yes, a majority.

Devin Gordon: Do you think he’s right?

Herman Cain: Yes, because that’s his community. That’s his community. I can’t tell you his name, but he is a very prominent voice in the Muslim community, and he said that.

Chris Heath: I just find that hard to believe.

Herman Cain: I find it hard to believe.

Chris Heath: But you’re believing it?

Herman Cain: Yes, because of the respect that I have for this individual. Because when he told me this, he said he wouldn’t want to be quoted or identified as having said that.

Alan Richman: Are you talking about the Muslim community in America? Or the world?

Herman Cain: America. America.

Unbelievable.

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180 comments

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:21:25am

We don't need bigotry in the WH.

jaunte Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:22:46am

a lot of people misrepresented what I said

Not even partly believable.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:23:30am

He's a bigot.

Political Atheist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:24:00am

re: #1 ggt

We don't need bigotry in the WH.

If I may?

We don't need bigotry ~~in the WH~~.

freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:24:30am

I have nothing against peaceful Muslims.

He uses the phrase "peaceful Muslims" like some people used to use the phrase "articulate negroes".

jaunte Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:25:30am

I can’t tell you his name, but he is a very prominent voice in the Muslim community, and he said that.

Commander in Chief of Makin' Shit Up.

BishopX Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:26:27am

This is what willful ignorance sounds like:

Herman Cain: That would be a judgment call that I’m probably not qualified to make, because I can’t speak on behalf of the entire Muslim community. I have talked with Muslims that are peaceful Muslims. And I have had one very well known Muslim voice say to me directly that a majority of Muslims share the extremist views.

I know I don't know, but I'm going to parrot someone because I can't be bothered to think for myself.

blueraven Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:26:37am

How convenient that this "very well known Muslim voice" does not wish to be quoted.

Please.

mr.fusion Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:27:26am

Well I heard from a very prominent person that the majority of Herman Cain's time is spent grabbing women's thighs and shoving their heads into his crotch

I personally find that hard to believe, but I have a lot of respect for this individual who I will not name, so therefore I believe it to be true

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:27:42am

re: #7 BishopX

This is what willful ignorance sounds like:

I know I don't know, but I'm going to parrot someone because I can't be bothered to think for myself.

Because my job is to manage those who do. ?

/not POTUS material

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:27:58am

re: #1 ggt

We don't need bigotry in the WH.

Yes we do!

iceweasel Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:28:11am

More Islamophobia from Cain:

Cain: Americans should be able to ban mosques

Herman Cain Tells ThinkProgress 'I Would Not' Appoint A Muslim In My Administration

Cain: Muslims 'Have An Objective To Convert All Infidels Or Kill Them'

...and those are just the ones I remember.

lawhawk Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:28:47am

And I have had one very well known Muslim voice say to me directly that a majority of Muslims share the extremist views.

Anyone want to take guesses at who this might be?

Like Bachmann before him (see HPV vaccination kerfuffle), Cain's willing to believe something an unnamed individual has said without the slightest bit of intellectual curiosity to see whether it's actually, you know, true.

lawhawk Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:29:32am

re: #12 iceweasel

And Herman Cain Tells ThinkProgress 'I Would Not' Appoint A Muslim In My Administration shows that he clearly doesn't understand federal law and the Constitution for even saying such a thing.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:30:08am

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

If I may?

We don't need bigotry ~~in the WH~~.

YES WE DO!!!

_{HOW ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO I AM, IF I HAVE NO ONE TO HATE!!!1@}

mikec6666 Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:30:24am

Given his penchant for fabricating facts, I'm sure this really is his opinion. Which makes me sad because this is an educated man (no matter your opinion of him) -- not a ignorant villager.

Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:30:43am

Cain feels he was treated "unfairly" when he said wouldn't appoint Muslims to his cabinet, so he clarifies the issue by saying the majority of American Muslims support terrorism.

Does he even hear himself saying this shit?

Spider Mensch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:30:44am

re: #8 blueraven

How convenient that this "very well known Muslim voice" does not wish to be quoted.

Please.

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Herman pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious...
Thank You Simone...

/Bueller? Bueller??

Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:30:54am

re: #10 ggt

Because my job is to manage those who do. ?

/not POTUS material

And there is a really fine line in hierarchies between managing it and being manipulated by it.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:32:13am

Do we need a president who does not understand the First Amendment?

Wait...let me rephrase that...

But I also know that we must be careful of ~~extremists~~ people ignorant about the establishment clause and we must be careful of the tendency by some groups in this country to infuse their beliefs into our laws and our culture.

lawhawk Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:32:32am

re: #17 Charles

He's clarifying himself right out of the race. Let's not stop him from further clarifications.

In fact, those clarifications are quite clearly showing just how disingenuous he is and unsuited for the White House.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:33:18am

re: #17 Charles

Cain feels he was treated "unfairly" when he said wouldn't appoint Muslims to his cabinet, so he clarifies the issue by saying the majority of American Muslims support terrorism.

Does he even hear himself saying this shit?

Yeah poor Herman, you got called out for being a bigoted asshole. Seriously, the Republican Party's increasing slide to rampant Islamaphobia is amazing to me since I can remember G.W Bush courting Muslim Americans for votes and having Muslim Americans in his administration. I am not a fan of his by and large but I'd take his more enlightened approach to Muslims over Cain's any day.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:33:19am

SCOTUS will hear the Obamacare case during the Nov 2012 election?
--according to the FOX news chicka that is on in the next room.

Never a dull moment in American Politics.

lawhawk Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:34:32am

re: #23 ggt

Oral arguments to be held in March; decision should come down in June.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:34:34am

re: #16 mikec6666

Given his penchant for fabricating facts, I'm sure this really is his opinion. Which makes me sad because this is an educated man (no matter your opinion of him) -- not a ignorant villager.

I notice not many from Morehouse claim him. His denomination, the National Baptist Convention, USA (NBCUSA) is oddly silent on him, too.

Hate to play no true black man, but he is off the rails with this anti-Moozllums act.

Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:35:02am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Yeah poor Herman, you got called out for being a bigoted asshole. Seriously, the Republican Party's increasing slide to rampant Islamaphobia is amazing to me since I can remember G.W Bush courting Muslim Americans for votes and having Muslim Americans in his administration. I am not a fan of his by and large but I'd take his more enlightened approach to Muslims over Cain's any day.

Cain is just expressing a perfectly understandable reservation about those who won't by definition order manly toppings like pepperoni, italian sausage, or bacon on their pizza!

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:35:08am

re: #24 lawhawk

Oral arguments to be held in March; decision should come down in June.

Ah, much better--gotta love that Fox Misinformation Machine.

mr.fusion Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:35:27am

re: #17 Charles

Cain feels he was treated "unfairly" when he said wouldn't appoint Muslims to his cabinet, so he clarifies the issue by saying the majority of American Muslims support terrorism.

Does he even hear himself saying this shit?

Either Herman Cain is an idiot, or a genius taking advantage of the idiots that make up the Republican Base

Remember this one?

After first apologizing for suggesting an electric fence along the border, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told reporters here Monday that he still thinks it's a good idea for controlling illegal immigration.

"I'm not walking away from that," he said.

Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:35:57am

re: #8 blueraven

I can't think of any very-well known Muslim voices, really.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:36:21am

How is it misrepresenting what he said when he said clearly he thinks the government should shut down mosques and that he wouldn't appoint Muslims to his cabinet. Imagine someone saying the same about churches/synagogues and Jews or Christians.

iceweasel Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:36:37am

re: #14 lawhawk

he clearly doesn't understand federal law and the Constitution for even saying such a thing.

Not surprising...

Lecturing Americans To 'Reread' Constitution, Herman Cain Confuses It With Declaration of Independence

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:36:42am

re: #29 Obdicut

I can't think of any very-well known Muslim voices, really.

I don't know any disembodied voices.

Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:36:43am

re: #29 Obdicut

I can't think of any very-well known Muslim voices, really.

Ali G?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:37:18am

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ali G?

Right, except for the part about him really being Jewish.

aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:37:24am

re: #17 Charles

Cain feels he was treated "unfairly" when he said wouldn't appoint Muslims to his cabinet, so he clarifies the issue by saying the majority of American Muslims support terrorism.

Does he even hear himself saying this shit?

He hears the applause of the wingnuts who believe this shit.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:37:46am

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ali G?

Is that character supposed to be Muslim?

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:37:55am

re: #31 iceweasel

Not surprising...

Lecturing Americans To 'Reread' Constitution, Herman Cain Confuses It With Declaration of Independence

"Four Score and a few years ago . . ."

"These are the times that try something . . "

One of those?

Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:37:59am

re: #34 EmmmieG

Right, except for the part about him really being Jewish.

WHAT?!

Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:38:01am

Reality:

Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans

78% believe that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam from its enemies can never be justified, and another 5% say these types of attacks are rarely justified. Fewer than one-in-ten American Muslims say that suicide bombing is sometimes (7%) or often (1%) justified.

Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:38:37am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Is that character supposed to be Muslim?

His name is Ali. How can he not be?

/It makes as much sense as Herman Cain's crap.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:38:38am

re: #39 Obdicut

Reality:

Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans

But Cain knows someone. *rolls eyes*

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:38:41am

re: #39 Obdicut

Reality:

Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans

Do we have those figures for the Neo-Nazi's White Militia types?

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:39:01am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

His name is Ali. How can he not be?

/It makes as much sense as Herman Cain's crap.

Ali= Alistair I thought I heard. It's my understanding that the character is supposed to be a white upper class British suburbanite

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:39:24am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

His name is Ali. How can he not be?

/It makes as much sense as Herman Cain's crap.

I have a friend named Alison. She goes by Ali.

Think she could be a sekrit Mooslim?

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:39:25am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Yeah poor Herman, you got called out for being a bigoted asshole. Seriously, the Republican Party's increasing slide to rampant Islamaphobia is amazing to me since I can remember G.W Bush courting Muslim Americans for votes and having Muslim Americans in his administration. I am not a fan of his by and large but I'd take his more enlightened approach to Muslims over Cain's any day.

Choice between the witch and the devil. Both can go jump in the lake, in my book.

Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:39:44am

re: #39 Obdicut

Reality:

Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans

Have they ever re-worded that question for Christians and asked about the use of violence in defense of Christianity? I'd actually expect a fairly similar result.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:39:51am

re: #45 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Choice between the witch and the devil. Both can go jump in the lake, in my book.

What if the witch floats?

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:40:02am

re: #44 ggt

I have a friend named Alison. She goes by Ali.

Think she could be a sekrit Mooslim?

Your friend wants Shariah law :).

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:40:06am

re: #8 blueraven

How convenient that this "very well known Muslim voice" does not wish to be quoted.

Please.

Look, if you were a voice in Herman Cain's head, would you want to go on record?

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:40:57am

I apologize for the silly comments. I just can't bring myself to have a serious discussion about this man.

Time is much better spent laughing.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:41:05am

This, to Wingnut-Conservative Americans, is Authentic Blackness.

jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:41:35am

re: #47 ggt

What if the witch floats?

Then we build a bridge out of her!

The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:41:39am

If there's a "source" at all, I'd guess it would be one of the hucksters currently touring the wingnut/theocrat lecture circuit presenting themselves as repentant,now-saved ex-terrorist Muslims. I could see them backing an estimate like Cain cites: after all, their bread is only buttered if they keep fanning fear of Muslims as collaborators with terrorists.

lawhawk Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:41:58am

Seems like Cain's grabbed this from Debbie Schlussel, not from any kind of prominent Muslim.

"[T]he fact is that the majority of Muslims support terrorism. The vast majority. Not just a few hijackers and a few suicide bombers. But the MAJORITY. This isn't me saying it. It's Muslims saying it. And not just in poll after poll of Muslims around the world including in America. Go to the streets of ‘moderate Muslim' Dearbornistan [Dearborn, Mich.] and see how many Muslims dare condemn Hezbollah and HAMAS. It's like playing "Where's Waldo?"
— From her website, Oct. 8, 2008

So, maybe Cain misremembered where he heard this from and his quote should really be:

And I have had one very well known anti-Muslim voice say to me directly that a majority of Muslims share the extremist views.

Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:42:00am

re: #44 ggt

I have a friend named Alison. She goes by Ali.

Think she could be a sekrit Mooslim?

Better safe than sorry.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:42:52am

Speaking of Sasha Baron Cohen though, there's a funny Australian youtube video of them talking about Lord Monckton (the climate change denier) as being a Cohen character. It's hilarious. They even talk to Monckton and ask him questions as if he were Cohen.

Youtube Video

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:42:57am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Your friend wants Shariah law :).

Sharia don't like it!

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:44:09am

*facepalm*

Fox Chicka is now counting cell phone calls from missing baby's house.

Really, can't they let the police do their jobs? Why is this news?

Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:44:22am

He's gracing our presence in Milwaukee right now downtown and then tonight in Green Bay for the game.

wrenchwench Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:44:27am

From later in the interview:

Chris Heath: You've said that you find it hard to be politically correct. Why do you find it hard?

Herman Cain: When you learn how to be politically correct, you sound like all of the other politicians. People like my directness and my bluntness. What happens when you become so worried about being politically correct, you find yourself not saying anything. Because you're trying to offend the least number of people. I'm trying to attract the greatest number of people. Different strategy.

Chris Heath: Are you at all worried that you could say something that could derail everything?

Herman Cain: Uh, no. I could, but not worried about it. And if I did, so be it.

He's like the Honey Badger.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:44:27am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

His name is Ali. How can he not be?

/It makes as much sense as Herman Cain's crap.

Nearly all the guys I know named Ali are African-American. Most aren't Muslims, either.

Although there was one time years ago when we had a new copier repair guy with an Israeli accent--very hot dude--and I wanted to set him up with the office manager.

He got to the end of his presentation on the new copier, and someone asked his name, and he said, "Oh, I'm Ali," and pulled out business cards.

I thought, "Well, heck, there goes any hope that his mother will be thrilled that I'm plotting to set him up with Yiskah."

Randall Gross Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:45:55am

re: #13 lawhawk

Anyone want to take guesses at who this might be?

Like Bachmann before him (see HPV vaccination kerfuffle), Cain's willing to believe something an unnamed individual has said without the slightest bit of intellectual curiosity to see whether it's actually, you know, true.

I'm betting it's someone like Zudhi Jasser, friend to the Shrieking Harpy camp.

Lidane Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:47:33am

re: #24 lawhawk

Oral arguments to be held in March; decision should come down in June.

Maybe Clarence Thomas will put some actual effort into his job then. =P

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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:47:35am

Well, I'm betting he completely made it up out of thin air.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:47:41am

re: #58 ggt

*facepalm*

Fox Chicka is now counting cell phone calls from missing baby's house.

Really, can't they let the police do their jobs? Why is this news?

This shit is basically HS gossip.

And people buy it.

Sometimes, it's just shameful to be part of the human race.

Randall Gross Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:47:59am

It's going to be someone like this guy:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:48:32am

re: #64 Charles

Maybe he thinks Debbie Schlussel is Muslim, or he can't tell the difference between Jews and Muslims.

Lidane Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:49:08am

re: #64 Charles

Well, I'm betting he completely made it up out of thin air.

9 - 9 - 9!

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:50:13am

re: #66 Thanos

It's going to be someone like this guy:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He called Obama's statement that Muslims have the constitutional right to build a mosque "passive aggressive meddling." Yeah and the people who will never be anywhere close to the mosque weren't being passive aggressive. But yeah this guy seems to be a jerk.

darthstar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:50:24am

Cain and Geller...there's one sex harassment scenario I don't want to imagine.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:51:23am

re: #67 Obdicut

Maybe he thinks Debbie Schlussel is Muslim, or he can't tell the difference between Jews and Muslims.

A Semite said something to me...

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:52:13am

Hmm.

Okay, Jewish Lizards, what is there in the Jewish culture that creates so many great comedians? I was sitting here thinking about it, and there are an awful lot of great Jewish comedians.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:52:36am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

A Semite said something to me...

Before or after he walked in the bar with the Pharisee and the Good Samaritan?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:53:16am

A rabbi, a priest, and a penguin walk into a bar.

The penguin says, "Wait, I'm in the wrong joke."

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:53:31am

re: #72 EmmmieG

Hmm.

Okay, Jewish Lizards, what is there in the Jewish culture that creates so many great comedians? I was sitting here thinking about it, and there are an awful lot of great Jewish comedians.

I'm not Jewish, but I'll take a stab --

Because they have more individuals comfortable with themselves and can look at themselves and laugh at the basic hilarity of humanity.

Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:54:16am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

A Semite said something to me...

Watched the death of a meme last night. At the auction a bowl of chopped liver went for $85.00.

lawhawk Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:54:20am

re: #66 Thanos

Except Jasser is noted to have said:

In his television appearances, Jasser has claimed that three to five percent of U.S. Muslims are militant and 30 to 40 percent do not believe in separation of mosque and state.

That's not 50% are extremist.

Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:54:48am

re: #72 EmmmieG

There are also a lot of Jews who think they're comedians.

Oy.

Seriously, entertainment was one of the areas more open to Jews, when a lot of standard professions were closed or difficult for them to get into because of racism. There used to be a lot of Jewish boxers, too, back in the day, just as there were a lot of Italian boxers; immigrants who are excluded from the mainstream tend to go to marginal professions. With entertainment, Jews have remained there as it's transitioned from a profession for those on the fringes to a high-status or at least perfectly acceptable occupation.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:55:36am

re: #72 EmmmieG

Hmm.

Okay, Jewish Lizards, what is there in the Jewish culture that creates so many great comedians? I was sitting here thinking about it, and there are an awful lot of great Jewish comedians.

Traditionally, we chalk it up to having to have a good, and somewhat morbid, sense of humor, given the general cruddiness of much of Jewish history.

I think it's also got to do with a tradition of performers--there's also a lot of Jewish actors and musicians and singers. We overlapped a bit with the Roma on that.

Being funny is prized in a lot of corners of Jewish culture, and being quick-witted, able to talk effectively, and pick up on cues, and nuances is prized EVERYWHERE in Jewish culture.

It sort of adds up.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:56:50am

re: #78 Obdicut

There are also a lot of Jews who think they're comedians.

Oy.

Seriously, entertainment was one of the areas more open to Jews, when a lot of standard professions were closed or difficult for them to get into because of racism. There used to be a lot of Jewish boxers, too, back in the day, just as there were a lot of Italian boxers; immigrants who are excluded from the mainstream tend to go to marginal professions. With entertainment, Jews have remained there as it's transitioned from a profession for those on the fringes to a high-status or at least perfectly acceptable occupation.

Max Baer was Jewish right? The boxer. Athletics is something that the Irish thrived at too.

Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:56:52am

John McCain 'very disappointed' with waterboarding support at GOP debate

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:57:16am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Watched the death of a meme last night. At the auction a bowl of chopped liver went for $85.00.

Thinking in terms of memes...years ago, my parents walked out of a bakery on Fairfax with friends. My mom is handing out cookies...'You get a cookie, and you get a cookie, and I get a cookie..."

A complete stranger walked up and said, "And what am I, an orphan?"

He also got a cookie.

HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:57:20am

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

John McCain 'very disappointed' with waterboarding support at GOP debate

What did he expect.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:57:24am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Traditionally, we chalk it up to having to have a good, and somewhat morbid, sense of humor, given the general cruddiness of much of Jewish history.

I think it's also got to do with a tradition of performers--there's also a lot of Jewish actors and musicians and singers. We overlapped a bit with the Roma on that.

Being funny is prized in a lot of corners of Jewish culture, and being quick-witted, able to talk effectively, and pick up on cues, and nuances is prized EVERYWHERE in Jewish culture.

It sort of adds up.

Humor is supposed to be the healthiest defense mechanisim.

jaunte Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:58:25am

re: #60 wrenchwench

Herman Cain: When you learn how to be politically correct, you sound like all of the other politicians. People like my directness and my bluntness. What happens when you become so worried about being politically correct, you find yourself not saying anything. Because you're trying to offend the least number of people. I'm trying to attract the greatest number of people. Different strategy.

It's not that he doesn't worry about being politically correct; he just doesn't worry about being correct at all.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:58:30am

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

John McCain 'very disappointed' with waterboarding support at GOP debate

Yes, but what would John McCain know about torture, anyway?

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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:58:45am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

The 100% literacy rate doesn't hurt, either. We tend to think of literacy as a given these days, but there's a big difference between being able to read the instructions on a hot pocket and being able to read complex literature. Jews culturally prize literacy to an extreme, even when they're completely 'secular' Jews, that portion of culture remains the same.

Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:58:53am

One of Cohen's earlier works, the Formation Leaning Team;

Youtube Video

Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:59:27am

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Thinking in terms of memes...years ago, my parents walked out of a bakery on Fairfax with friends. My mom is handing out cookies...'You get a cookie, and you get a cookie, and I get a cookie..."

A complete stranger walked up and said, "And what am I, an orphan?"

He also got a cookie.

Delighful.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:59:30am

re: #87 Obdicut

The 100% literacy rate doesn't hurt, either. We tend to think of literacy as a given these days, but there's a big difference between being able to read the instructions on a hot pocket and being able to read complex literature. Jews culturally prize literacy to an extreme, even when they're completely 'secular' Jews, that portion of culture remains the same.

QFT

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:00:43am

re: #87 Obdicut

The 100% literacy rate doesn't hurt, either. We tend to think of literacy as a given these days, but there's a big difference between being able to read the instructions on a hot pocket and being able to read complex literature. Jews culturally prize literacy to an extreme, even when they're completely 'secular' Jews, that portion of culture remains the same.

Oh, sure. My great-grandfather was a Talmud scholar. His daughters were modern girls who didn't waste their time on religious literature--so they read Tolstoy and E.M. Forster.

A text-obsessed culture.

Big Steve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:01:41am

re: #87 Obdicut

The 100% literacy rate doesn't hurt, either. We tend to think of literacy as a given these days, but there's a big difference between being able to read the instructions on a hot pocket and being able to read complex literature. Jews culturally prize literacy to an extreme, even when they're completely 'secular' Jews, that portion of culture remains the same.

Good point however to counterbalance, Quakers believed strongly in education and in fact educated both boys and girls equally and everyone in the community was literate. Yet you rarely see Quaker comedians.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:02:28am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Traditionally, we chalk it up to having to have a good, and somewhat morbid, sense of humor, given the general cruddiness of much of Jewish history.

I think it's also got to do with a tradition of performers--there's also a lot of Jewish actors and musicians and singers. We overlapped a bit with the Roma on that.

Being funny is prized in a lot of corners of Jewish culture, and being quick-witted, able to talk effectively, and pick up on cues, and nuances is prized EVERYWHERE in Jewish culture.

It sort of adds up.

Similar to Black culture. Without verbal/expressive literacy, you'll get nowhere in it, quick. Very dynamic.

Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:02:33am

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, sure. My great-grandfather was a Talmud scholar. His daughters were modern girls who didn't waste their time on religious literature--so they read Tolstoy and E.M. Forster.

A text-obsessed culture.

Including folk tales that include using a text to bring a clay statue to life.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:02:34am

re: #92 Big Steve

Good point however to counterbalance, Quakers believed strongly in education and in fact educated both boys and girls equally and everyone in the community was literate. Yet you rarely see Quaker comedians.

They tend to keep to themselves.

I have a feeling their "meetings" are full of humor --and we are missing it.

zora Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:03:12am

re: #53 The Ghost of a Flea

If there's a "source" at all, I'd guess it would be one of the hucksters currently touring the wingnut/theocrat lecture circuit presenting themselves as repentant,now-saved ex-terrorist Muslims. I could see them backing an estimate like Cain cites: after all, their bread is only buttered if they keep fanning fear of Muslims as collaborators with terrorists.

i was thinking the same thing. muslim to christian converts are not very tolerant of other muslims. let me rephrase. muslim to evangelical chriistian converts are not very tolerant of other muslims. it's like they were the last good muslim. liberty university and oral roberts have their own in house converts who teach how destructive and hateful islam is.

Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:03:25am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Max Baer was Jewish right? The boxer. Athletics is something that the Irish thrived at too.

Half-Jewish, raised Catholic, but wore the Star of David proudly.

But take a gander at this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It includes guys like Benny Leonard, who is in pretty much everyone's top 10 list of boxers of all time.

Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:03:42am

re: #92 Big Steve

Good point however to counterbalance, Quakers believed strongly in education and in fact educated both boys and girls equally and everyone in the community was literate. Yet you rarely see Quaker comedians.

If the spirit doesn't move, you get 12 minutes of dead air.

Eclectic Infidel Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:03:48am

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, sure. My great-grandfather was a Talmud scholar. His daughters were modern girls who didn't waste their time on religious literature--so they read Tolstoy and E.M. Forster.

A text-obsessed culture.

My ex is the same way. Orthodox parents, and the Talmud and Torah didn't interest her in the slightest. Today she's an avid reader who refuses to lend out her books to ANYONE, even the mass produced paperbacks; with authors such as Pynchon, Lessing, and Grass.

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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:04:55am

re: #96 zora

i was thinking the same thing. muslim to christian converts are not very tolerant of other muslims. let me rephrase. muslim to evangelical chriistian converts are not very tolerant of other muslims. it's like they were the last good muslim. liberty university and oral roberts have their own in house converts who teach how destructive and hateful islam is.

Converts are the worst in the RC Church too. Think they have to follow all the rules and look down their nose at other Catholics.

Those of us who were raised in it, went to RC school and all, just roll our eyes.

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Big Steve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:05:47am

re: #95 ggt

They tend to keep to themselves.

I have a feeling their "meetings" are full of humor --and we are missing it.

True story here......there is a Quaker University in Kansas. It used to be officially called the Friends University of Central Kansas. Think of the acronym on those letter jackets. They awoke to this and changed it to Friends University.....only slightly better.

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HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:06:11am

re: #97 Obdicut

Half-Jewish, raised Catholic, but wore the Star of David proudly.

But take a gander at this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It includes guys like Benny Leonard, who is in pretty much everyone's top 10 list of boxers of all time.

Ah ok. The neat thing about boxing is how much it was tied to geography and culture. I read Dan Rooney (owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers) and he talks a little about how Billy Conn was the hero in Pittsburgh's Northside due to being a Pittsburgher and of Irish decent. Joe Louis naturally was idolized by black kids everywhere.

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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:06:15am

re: #92 Big Steve

Good point however to counterbalance, Quakers believed strongly in education and in fact educated both boys and girls equally and everyone in the community was literate. Yet you rarely see Quaker comedians.

That's because they get up on stage and sit in silence until they're moved to tell a joke.

Seriously, there's just a tiny number of Friends. There's like three hundred fifty thousand of them, and there's more than five million Jews in the US.

And they don't have the tradition, since they weren't kept out of the mainstream professions in the same way.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:06:15am

re: #94 oaktree

Including folk tales that include using a text to bring a clay statue to life.

It's funny, there's a medieval saying that when it comes to magic, Christians use words, pagans use herbs, and Jews use stones. I think that comes from the fact that by that time Jews were already in the gem trade, but when I first saw it, I thought, "No, JEWS use words."

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HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:06:35am

re: #100 ggt

Converts are the worst in the RC Church too. Think they have to follow all the rules and look down their nose at other Catholics.

Those of us who were raised in it, went to RC school and all, just roll our eyes.

the convert's zeal.

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dragonath Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:06:42am

Cain's been reading too many Frank Miller comic books, lol.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:07:30am

re: #96 zora

i was thinking the same thing. muslim to christian converts are not very tolerant of other muslims. let me rephrase. muslim to evangelical chriistian converts are not very tolerant of other muslims. it's like they were the last good muslim. liberty university and oral roberts have their own in house converts who teach how destructive and hateful islam is.

It's a whole little industry.

If I were a very dishonest woman, I would have completely reinvented myself as an ex-Muslim by now.

Bet I could pull it off, too.

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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:07:39am

re: #106 dragonath

Cain's been reading too many Frank Miller comic books, lol.

IT'S SATIRE!
/

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engineer cat Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:08:41am

Cain Back to Hating

he has layers of creepiness, like an onion, or newt gingrich

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:09:14am

There are roughly the same number of Jews and Mormons in America.

Name a Mormon comedian. You may not say Glenn Beck.

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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:09:18am

Gingrich is the GOP Flavour du jour.

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leftynyc Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:09:19am

re: #6 jaunte

Commander in Chief of Makin' Shit Up.

Yes - I'm sure that anonymous source is just peachy keen with the right.

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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:10:02am

Oakland Mayor Jean Quan’s Legal Advisor Resigns In Support Of Occupy Oakland

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HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:10:22am

re: #110 EmmmieG

There are roughly the same number of Jews and Mormons in America.

Name a Mormon comedian. You may not say Glenn Beck.

Shit that's tough. I actually see some parellels between the Irish American and Jewish American communities though.

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Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:11:20am

re: #110 EmmmieG

There are roughly the same number of Jews and Mormons in America.

Name a Mormon comedian. You may not say Glenn Beck.

No coffee, no cigarettes, no booze, no comedian.

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jamesfirecat Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:11:33am

re: #110 EmmmieG

There are roughly the same number of Jews and Mormons in America.

Name a Mormon comedian. You may not say Glenn Beck.

Mitt Romney?

He's do a great performance art piece called "the man with no spine!"

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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:12:27am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

No coffee, no cigarettes, no booze, no comedian.

BILL HICKS!

Wait a sec...

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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:12:41am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

No coffee, no cigarettes, no booze, no comedian.

I was just thinking about the alcoholism rates of the Irish and Jewish communities. Definitely a correlation with commedian.

causation? probably.

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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:13:02am

re: #110 EmmmieG

Whoever it was that thought that throwing Mormon support behind Prop 8 was an unintentional comedian, working with some very dark material.

Seriously, the only one I knew was Elna Baker, but she's ex-Mormon now.

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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:13:40am

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oakland Mayor Jean Quan’s Legal Advisor Resigns In Support Of Occupy Oakland

Quan is going to let them back in the park....
Oakland Mayor Says Occupy Protesters Can Return

The mayor of Oakland, Calif., says anti-Wall Street protesters will be allowed to return to the plaza that was cleared before dawn today by police in riot gear. But she says they won't be allowed to camp out there overnight.

Mayor Jean Quan says the site can be used "as a free speech location." She says, "They can gather tonight, but no camping is allowed."

It's going to be a continuing mess. What a clusterfuck.

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albusteve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:14:07am

when a guy like Mr Pizza thinks he will make a good president, that's proof to me he's a can short of a six pack....it's just sooo AmIdol, and I could care less about his crazy notions....that's just another can

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:14:41am

There are actually some really funny "Mormon" movies, but none of you would get the jokes.

Literally, one and a half hour of in jokes.

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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:14:42am

Makes me want to put arugula on my pizza.

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albusteve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:14:58am

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Quan is going to let them back in the park...
Oakland Mayor Says Occupy Protesters Can Return

It's going to be a continuing mess. What a clusterfuck.

room service!

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RadicalModerate Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:15:15am

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BILL HICKS!

Wait a sec...

Well, up until the moment that Denis Leary stole them all from him.

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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:15:21am

Further proof the OWS idiots with the homemade bombs knew what they were doing...
Marion deputy stops three Occupy demonstrators

The men stopped on the freeway denied being involved in throwing the fireworks but, according to the sheriff’s office, acknowledged they knew the canning jars would explode and cause glass shrapnel to fly out and possibly injure someone.

Two said when they were younger, they experimented with similar fireworks, causing an explosion that required stitches to one’s leg.

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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:15:26am

re: #123 Amory Blaine

Makes me want to put arugula on my pizza.

little bitter --no?

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Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:16:34am

re: #118 ggt

I was just thinking about the alcoholism rates of the Irish and Jewish communities. Definitely a correlation with commedian.

causation? probably.

I've experienced the Irish bit, didn't sense a lot of alcohol abuse among Jews--except among entertainers. Theorem: Comedy causes alcoholism.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:16:40am

re: #110 EmmmieG

There are roughly the same number of Jews and Mormons in America.

Name a Mormon comedian. You may not say Glenn Beck.

It really is about culture, as well as history. There's a delightful short story by Grace Paley, "The Loudest Voice", where a little girl from a Jewish family in New York in the 30s is chosen as the narrator in her school Christmas pageant because boy, can she project. In the end, all the main parts are played by Jewish kids. Their parents are somewhat worried about this. It seems to them hard on the Christian children. It is, after all, their holiday, and they only got a couple of small roles.

There are cultures where a kid who's loud and opinionated and wants center stage will be encouraged to dial it back, be more modest, or ladylike, or quiet. Less likely in a Jewish family.

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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:17:41am

Bank Of America Makes Millions Charging Fees To Withdraw Unemployment Benefits

Shawana Busby does not seem like the sort of customer who would be at the center of a major bank’s business plan. Out of work for much of the last three years, she depends upon a $264-a-week unemployment check from the state of South Carolina. But the state has contracted with Bank of America to administer its unemployment benefits, and Busby has frequently found herself incurring bank fees to get her money.

To withdraw her benefits, Busby, 33, uses a Bank of America prepaid debit card on which the state deposits her funds…Busby visits the ATMs in her area and begrudgingly accepts the fees, which reach as high as five dollars per transaction. She estimates that she has paid at least $350 in fees to tap her unemployment benefits. [...]

In short, the same banks whose speculation delivered a financial crisis that has destroyed millions of jobs have figured out how to turn widespread unemployment into a profit center: The larger the number of people who are out of work and dependent upon the state for sustenance, the greater the potential gains through administering their benefits.

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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:18:05am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

I've experienced the Irish bit, didn't sense a lot of alcohol abuse among Jews--except among entertainers. Theorem: Comedy causes alcoholism.

Google: Jew's and AA.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:18:37am

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Quan is going to let them back in the park...
Oakland Mayor Says Occupy Protesters Can Return

It's going to be a continuing mess. What a clusterfuck.

For God's sakes, Jean! I don't care what you go with, but pick something already! And don't release another dove! That's not helping!

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aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:18:45am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

the convert's zeal.

I believe the twice divorced Newt Gingrich is one of those.

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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:18:50am

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bank Of America Makes Millions Charging Fees To Withdraw Unemployment Benefits

Dick Durbin is really hiding on this one.

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freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:19:11am

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The government now requires, IIRC, that recipients of government "checks" must do so electronically, so now it is not possible to not have an account at a financial institution (capable of Direct Deposit).

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jaunte Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:19:43am

Gingrich takes the lead
Newt Gingrich has taken the lead in PPP's national polling. He's at 28% to 25% for Herman Cain and 18% for Mitt Romney. The rest of the Republican field is increasingly looking like a bunch of also rans: Rick Perry is at 6%, Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul at 5%, Jon Huntsman at 3%, and Gary Johnson and Rick Santorum each at 1%.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:19:51am

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

For God's sakes, Jean! I don't care what you go with, but pick something already! And don't release another dove! That's not helping!

Maybe Sam Adams can go down and help her out. Or Mike Reese. I don't much care who came up with that plan, it was brilliant.

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HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:19:54am

re: #133 aagcobb

I believe the twice divorced Newt Gingrich is one of those.

Yeah he's a twice divorced Catholic convert who judges other people. Converts of any type tend to be much more zealous than those raised on the religion.

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freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:20:03am

The man the YEC's really don't like (besides Darwin):

Born This Day: Sir Charles Lyell

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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:20:17am

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

It's like when you get elected Mayor in the Bay Area you have to drink a Potion of Vacillation.

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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:20:28am

Chris Heath: What can you tell about a man by the type of pizza that he likes?
Herman Cain: [repeats the question aloud, then pauses for a long moment] The more toppings a man has on his pizza, I believe the more manly he is.

Read More [Link: www.gq.com...]

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Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:21:43am

re: #131 ggt

Google: Jew's and AA.

Spooky, esp since AA started as a rather hardcore Christian outreach.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:22:17am

re: #141 Amory Blaine

Read More [Link: www.gq.com...]

So...cheese pizza is a sign of being effeminate?

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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:22:38am

re: #135 freetoken

The government now requires, IIRC, that recipients of government "checks" must do so electronically, so now it is not possible to not have an account at a financial institution (capable of Direct Deposit).

Another case for the wonders and marvels of privatizing everything.

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albusteve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:22:43am

re: #141 Amory Blaine

Read More [Link: www.gq.com...]

it's posted up top, the theme of the thread

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erik_t Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:22:54am

re: #141 Amory Blaine

Cain's new media-coping strategy appears to be to make himself impossible to parody.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:23:02am

re: #122 EmmmieG

There are actually some really funny "Mormon" movies, but none of you would get the jokes.

Literally, one and a half hour of in jokes.

Slacktivist did a whole list of 'You might be an evangelical' jokes on his blog.

You could immediately tell who the evangelicals were, because the rest of us were going 'huh'?

Although the best insight I ever had into the evangelical community from Slacktivist was maybe in that same post--his sister and her family were going on vacation to Costa Rica, and he describes a conversation in which, due to his evangelical upbringing, it's beyond him that you would go to Latin America JUST on vacation, and keeps asking if they'll be building a church or a school, and if there will be any time for sightseeing.

His brother-in-law finally gets it through to him that they are just going to the beach, but it takes a while.

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aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:23:35am

re: #136 jaunte

I would never have guessed that Newt would get back in the race after his campaign imploded over the summer. Just goes to show how desperate the base is to have an alternative to Romney.

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Amory Blaine Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:23:40am

re: #145 albusteve

it's posted up top, the theme of the thread

Oops sorry. Brain farting.

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Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:24:08am

re: #133 aagcobb

I believe the twice divorced Newt Gingrich is one of those.

He's mentioned the church or the pope in all or most debates. I think he's just dogwhistling at Mitt's religion.

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CuriousLurker Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:24:16am

re: #53 The Ghost of a Flea

If there's a "source" at all, I'd guess it would be one of the hucksters currently touring the wingnut/theocrat lecture circuit presenting themselves as repentant,now-saved ex-terrorist Muslims. I could see them backing an estimate like Cain cites: after all, their bread is only buttered if they keep fanning fear of Muslims as collaborators with terrorists.

People like Zuhdi Jasser, who are snuggled up in bed with people like Frank Gaffney (Center for Security Policy), Newt Gingrich (one of the films below), and the Clarion Fund also come to mind. From his website:

Dr. Jasser was presented with the 2007 Director's Community
Leadership Award by the Phoenix office of the FBI and was recognized as a "Defender of the Home Front" at the annual Keeper of the Flame Dinner of the Center for Security Policy in 2008. Dr. Jasser is a contributing writer to a number of recently released books. He is featured in four documentaries America at Risk,
Islam v Islamists, A Question of Honor and The Third Jihad.

[Link: www.aifdemocracy.org...]

He has associations with others as well. The above is the sort list.

That said, as much as I dislike & mistrust him, I've never heard him claim that "a majority" of Muslims have extremist views.

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jaunte Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:24:36am

re: #148 aagcobb

I think he's probably just a placeholder at the top of the polling for a month or two.

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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:24:44am

I have to accomplish some Laundry.

Have a great afternoon all!

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Killgore Trout Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:25:07am

Interesting possibility...
Did Israel assassinate Iran's 'missile king'?

Iran hasn't accused Israel of causing the bomb blast at an ammunition depot near Tehran, and Israel hasn't taken credit. But the blast, which killed the founder of Iran's missile program, fits a pattern.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:26:04am

re: #150 Decatur Deb

He's mentioned the church or the pope in all or most debates. I think he's just dogwhistling at Mitt's religion.

Too bad Mitt's too classy to fire back with hints about what a real man does when his wife gets MS.

Okay, I'm being mean, but it bothers me.

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Big Steve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:26:31am

Not to hijack the thread here but last night I tuned in to astronomer Neil Tyson's Q&A on Reddit. He made a comment that has me still thinking about it. Since photons travel at the speed of light (duh....they are light) and according to Einstein time slows down as one approaches the speed of light; a photon that was created billions of years ago and is now just hitting your eye as you stare into the night sky....well to that photon no time has passed from its generation to re-absorption. To the photon it was created and destroyed in the same instant!

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alecmcc Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:26:54am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

"the convert's zeal"

e.g.: Glenn Beck

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:27:20am

re: #156 Big Steve

Not to hijack the thread here but last night I tuned in to astronomer Neil Tyson's Q&A on Reddit. He made a comment that has me still thinking about it. Since photons travel at the speed of light (duh...they are light) and according to Einstein time slows down as one approaches the speed of light; a photon that was created billions of years ago and is now just hitting your eye as you stare into the night sky...well to that photon no time has passed from its generation to re-absorption. To the photon it was created and destroyed in the same instant!

It's all one wibbly wobbley ball of Timey Wimey?

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aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:27:29am

re: #152 jaunte

I think he's probably just a placeholder at the top of the polling for a month or two.

For who? The only wingnut candidate who hasn't had a turn at the top of the polls yet is frothy mix. Is there someone else who could set TP hearts aflutter who is waiting in the wings?

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jaunte Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:28:46am

re: #159 aagcobb

They don't want to run Romney, but it looks like they're stuck with him.

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HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:28:58am

re: #157 alecmcc

"the convert's zeal"

e.g.: Glenn Beck

That's right. He was raised Catholic and is now Mormon.

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Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:29:27am

re: #155 EmmmieG

Too bad Mitt's too classy to fire back with hints about what a real man does when his wife gets MS.

Okay, I'm being mean, but it bothers me.

Actually Mitt did fire back in the next to last debate--In describing how 'constant' he was, he mentioned that he went to his original church. Shot across the bow.

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Surabaya Stew Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:29:48am

As a graduate of a Quaker High School (and a fan of the twice-weekly meetings that all students and staff attended), I can assure you that humor was a sparse element.

Lots of quiet time for reflection. Not productive for laughs.

re: #95 ggt

They tend to keep to themselves.

I have a feeling their "meetings" are full of humor --and we are missing it.

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BongCrodny Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:29:50am

re: #158 EmmmieG

It's all one wibbly wobbley ball of Timey Wimey?

Upding for The Doctor reference.

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Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:30:27am

re: #159 aagcobb

For who? The only wingnut candidate who hasn't had a turn at the top of the polls yet is frothy mix. Is there someone else who could set TP hearts aflutter who is waiting in the wings?

"Sarah, you're the POTUS in my heart..."

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aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:34:43am

re: #160 jaunte

They don't want to run Romney, but it looks like they're stuck with him.

If they were sane. There is still time for them to coalesce around an alternative, though they have run through almost every conceivable possibility.

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zora Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:40:14am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

and that he had the same wife. also a shot a gingrich, imo.

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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:41:30am

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BILL HICKS!

Wait a sec...

Love Hicks' routine about reading a book in a Tennessee diner.

Waitress: "Watcha reading a book for?"

Trucker: "Well, looks like we got a reader here!"

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theheat Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:49:59am

re: #39 Obdicut

Reality: Little Support for Terrorism Among Muslim Americans

If you were to poll citizens of all stripes in the US right now, what percentage talk about "taking back our country" with guns and/or violence? I would imagine it's the same percentage of American Muslims polled (7%) that feel suicide bombing might be warranted in some cases. Likewise, the overwhelming majority don't feel this way.

There are nuts in every religion, or no religion, that have wet dreams about killing people for some shitnuts cause they have. If the majority of Muslims in America really felt that way, we'd be having regular attacks similar to Afghanistan or Iraq.

We aren't.

That means either the majority of Muslims in America aren't buying into that terrorist and/or Sharia shit, or there's a big conspiracy where they're all - collectively - waiting for the opportunity to take down non-Muslims. And that little takedown plan wouldn't even go as well as the Coyote trying to take down the Roadrunner.

The biggest threat from a religious body right now in the US is from Christian nationalists. I'm hating on them right now because they are actively moving to change the face of politics and how each person in the US lives. If and when the majority of Muslims decide to upstage them with their own bullshit, I can switch gears pretty fast.

But don't expect politicians to mention the Christian Taliban, because that's a group they actively court. It's better for them to talk about scary Muslims.

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Randall Gross Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:55:34am

re: #77 lawhawk

He is one who changes tunes to fit audience.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:08:21pm

And he's saying this...

because Republicans want to hear it!

YEAH!

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JEA62 Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:09:58pm

So the anonymous sources who said Cain harassed them are all lying sluts, but the anonymous source who said Muslims are all sympathetic to extremists is unimpeachable.

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leftynyc Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:20:44pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Actually Mitt did fire back in the next to last debate--In describing how 'constant' he was, he mentioned that he went to his original church. Shot across the bow.

And married to the same woman. Definitely a shot at newt.

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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:24:52pm

Testing...

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Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:47:15pm

re: #110 EmmmieG

There are roughly the same number of Jews and Mormons in America.

Name a Mormon comedian. You may not say Glenn Beck.

Trey Parker.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:00:12pm

re: #110 EmmmieG

There are roughly the same number of Jews and Mormons in America.

Name a Mormon comedian. You may not say Glenn Beck.

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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:10:25pm

re: #176 000G

Only two of those are current Mormon comedians who do anything outside the Mormon community, though.

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cinesimon Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:13:49pm

"Unbelievable".
Sadly, very believable.
Every reasonable person paying attention knows this combination of ignorance, bigotry and dishonesty is right wing bread and butter. It's what they and their base, that bizarre 27%, thrive on.
The right wing has shown a pathological need to make shit up that fits their extremist views.
I just love their clinging on to CBS' Bill Kurtis' "coming forward" to repeat some elevator gossip he heard about one of Cain's accusers. Apparently, she was the office slut. And of course for the right, this proves the 'mainstream media' are not interested in the truth, because Bill Kurtis heard it in an elevator, and apparently, that totally reliably-sourced Truth is not being widely enough reported.
Not The Onion, SNL nor anyone else could adequately parody these sociopathic idiots better than they do themselves every day.
And the nomination debates are showing that to the American people extremely effectively - those debates are the biggest gift the Democratic Party has ever given the Republicans.
Though to be sure: taking the majority of America's pro-Jim Crow politicians from the Democratic Party into their welcoming arms during the 1960s was a pretty amazing gift, too.

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Donna Ballard Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:05:04pm

re: #1 ggt

We don't need bigotry in the WH.

We don't need bigotry period! In any race, color or creed!

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Origuy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 4:20:34pm

Mel Brooks and Dick Cavett did a show together that HBO has been showing. In it, Brooks says that one of the roots of Jewish humor is the tradition of the badchen, a jester that performed at Eastern European Jewish weddings.

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