Dr. Richard Muller is testifying in the House of Representatives on his important climate change research project, in a hearing intended to promote the “End of Climate Change Skepticism.” A live video feed is here.
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:29:48am |
It will only make the deniers even more vindictive and vicious:
Climatologist Michael Mann works at Penn State. Penn State is going through a horrific and inexcusable child-sex-abuse scandal. Ergo….
Yes, two of the top climate science deniers on the web, Steve McIntyre at ClimateAudit and Anthony Watts of WattsUpWithThat, actually went there.
Further comments redacted to protect my LGF account.
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aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:31:57am |
re: #2 publicityStunted
It will only make the deniers even more vindictive and vicious:
Further comments redacted to protect my LGF account.
There is no smear too despicable for the Right to use. Remember McCain’s “black love child?”
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Iwouldprefernotto Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:32:48am |
I wish that I believed that this will work. I don’t. The deniers don’t need facts, it’s a religion to them and it this point even god couldn’t talk them out of their silly beliefs.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:33:47am |
re: #3 aagcobb
There is no smear too despicable for the Right to use. Remember McCain’s “black love child?”
If Max Cleland were a real patriot he would have left four limbs in Viet Nam.
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iossarian Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:35:32am |
re: #6 Decatur Deb
If Max Cleland were a real patriot he would have left four limbs in Viet Nam.
I think that one sickens me more than all the others, to be honest. Despicable.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:39:08am |
I hope they invite members of the military to these hearings too. The US military takes climate change very, very seriously, and are probably the only large organization actively preparing for it.
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freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:39:29am |
Repeating myself… Muller has a history of strongly disliking Al Gore, which I suspect was the real reason all along that he got associated with the AGW-denial groups.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:40:23am |
re: #2 publicityStunted
It will only make the deniers even more vindictive and vicious:
Further comments redacted to protect my LGF account.
That’s really weird.
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freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:41:28am |
re: #2 publicityStunted
I regard WTFUWT as being just another extension of the various reactionary right culture war machine. It was that from the beginning.
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erik_t Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:43:20am |
re: #8 Obdicut
I hope they invite members of the military to these hearings too. The US military takes climate change very, very seriously, and are probably the only large organization actively preparing for it.
This times a million. Biofuels, too. The US military is one of the very few large organizations that, for better or for worse, is able and willing to rationally plan decades ahead because it knows that nothing will ever neuter their budget.
It’s extremely telling what they make long-distance plans for.
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:45:02am |
re: #13 erik_t
This times a million. Biofuels, too. The US military is one of the very few large organizations that, for better or for worse, is able and willing to rationally plan decades ahead because it knows that nothing will ever neuter their budget.
It’s extremely telling what they make long-distance plans for.
Short term too. IIRC, the largest solar farm in the world is on Marine Corps Base Twenty Nine Palms.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:47:01am |
re: #14 rwdflynavy
Short term too. IIRC, the largest solar farm in the world is on Marine Corps Base Twenty Nine Palms.
Well, to be honest, Twenty Nine Palms is a good place for the largest solar farm in the world.
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:48:23am |
re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, to be honest, Twenty Nine Palms is a good place for the largest solar farm in the world.
Marines rarely build bases in garden spots…that’s the Navy’s job!!
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:49:44am |
I’m waiting for a GOP congressman to invoke the Bible as to why Global Warming cannot exist.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:52:43am |
I hadn’t bothered to look at Hot Air for a pretty long time, and I just checked out some of the comment threads.
Yeesh - it’s getting really crazed over there, more than ever, especially in any threads related to Muslims. Lots of religious fanatics ranting like street corner preachers.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:52:44am |
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erik_t Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:53:01am |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The Bible also tells us that dogs and cats shall never live together. All this AGW fuss is just mass hysteria.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:53:21am |
re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Reminds me of McCain promising to accept the Pentagon study on gays in the military, and then rejecting it.
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freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:54:03am |
My feeling: AGW is impotent as a political cause because the affects of climate change are just way, way too slow for the human decision making process.
We are short term thinkers and doers. That’s evolutionary and can’t really be escaped. It takes a great deal of effort, and luck, to get groups of people (societies) to manage themselves and plan for decade-long efforts. Big picture items like climate change are too difficult in these circumstances.
Which leads me to COP17, which starts in two weeks. It looks to be worse than ever. Durban will not be the savior of the process.
E.g., the Indians (and not just the reactionary right Republicans in this country) are objecting to the EU adding carbon fees to air flights that land or take off in the EU. India claims that this was not a consensual approach, that all the parties involved have to agree to these things and that a single actor (the EU) can’t make these sort of decisions on their own.
So, frankly, I think my conclusion will stand - that nothing (of consequence) at all will really be done about AGW, at least from a mitigation perspective.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:56:37am |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I’m waiting for a GOP congressman to invoke the Bible as to why Global Warming cannot exist.
It’s the Divine Toddler Gate theory.
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freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:56:46am |
re: #18 Charles
FWIW, Salem Communications have taken their various Christian forums from their own websites and moved them to Facebook groups. I suspect this was done more as a cost savings measure, but it also moves the burden (of ultimate responsibility) onto Facebook.
That Salem still has HotAir, Townhall etc. shows me that the founder of Salem Comm. really values his atavistic social theories more than the historic Christianity.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:57:36am |
Obviously the GOP has more important things on their plate:
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lawhawk Mon, Nov 14, 2011 11:59:53am |
re: #8 Obdicut
I hope they invite members of the military to these hearings too. The US military takes climate change very, very seriously, and are probably the only large organization actively preparing for it.
They’ve been doing contracts for everything from biofuels, to alternative power sources, primarily because one of the biggest costs/logistical nightmares of any military action is sending fuel to power equipment, tanks, supply vehicles, etc. Reduce fuel consumption, increase efficiency, and using fuel cells, solar, wind, etc., reduces strain on logistical supply chain.
It’s a huge area of R&D for the military. Energy savings is a major cost savings for the DoD - so it means that DoD dollars can go further (literally and figuratively).
[Link: www.acq.osd.mil…]
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:02:59pm |
re: #22 freetoken
My bet is we wait a bit long and then over react, if that is still possible. Gonna go from yawn straight to panic/crisis mode. In 2050.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:05:00pm |
I do hope they have many more witnesses, along with Muller. After all, Muller re-tested only one prong of the AGW denial.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:08:58pm |
This is actually one of the more interesting congressional hearings I’ve watched.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:09:06pm |
re: #2 publicityStunted
It will only make the deniers even more vindictive and vicious:
Further comments redacted to protect my LGF account.
Here’s what I think of them.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:11:44pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:12:22pm |
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:13:11pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:15:46pm |
re: #33 publicityStunted
We can haz translation of caption? :)
Well, that pic needs no captions, but OK: “Murziks look at Sharik like at shit”, or, adapting, “Maxes look at Fido like at shit.”
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:17:14pm |
Always nice to find out the expert your manager hired to help you out has no fucking clue as to what he is doing.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:17:17pm |
Aha, Muller goes with GW/AGW distinction.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:18:09pm |
re: #2 publicityStunted
That also reminds me of something.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:20:08pm |
Right, Muller. We need to subsidize green energy hugely, so that we can spread it throughout the developing world. Thanks for making that point.
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:21:06pm |
re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Obviously the GOP has more important things on their plate:
That dude is broke out with teh crazy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:24:39pm |
Muller: human role is uncertain.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:26:48pm |
re: #40 Sergey Romanov
Muller: human role is uncertain.
And we don’t take into account the oceans? In what fucking world does he live in?
He’s just falling back to the Lomberg position. And he got his ass handed to him on the whole developing world factor: China has enough money to invest in technology, is doing so, and pretending otherwise is idiotic.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:27:34pm |
re: #41 Obdicut
The other guy summed it up much better - there is no satisfying explanation from only natural causes.
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:29:33pm |
re: #38 Obdicut
Right, Muller. We need to subsidize green energy hugely, so that we can spread it throughout the developing world. Thanks for making that point.
Imagine if this woman got the kind of subsidies the coal/oil/gas robber-barons did.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:29:45pm |
re: #41 Obdicut
That’s the problem with relying on an attention grabber like Muller. He’s really not a specialist. They should have let the climatologists on the team to testify (maybe they did? I don’t know the names). From scientific POV Muller’s team established nothing new (although they did sort out the results nicely). It’s a pity someone like him is needed as a gimmick at all.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:30:28pm |
re: #42 Sergey Romanov
The correlation in tactics— I”m not making a moral argument, just one about rhetoric— between the holocaust deniers and AGW deniers is really amazing. Many Holocaust Deniers focus on denying specific things, like the diesel engine or the amount of room there was to bury remains at the camps. They pluck at the corners and jump on any overreach or scandal from a holocaust scholar. But they can’t come up with an answer to the question of where all the Jews who were alive before the Holocaust actually went, with any degree of credibility in the least. Some of the worst of them simply lie about the numbers, in the same way as the worst AGW deniers. But there’s a whole class of Holocaust deniers who just nitpick, as there are with the AGW deniers.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:31:21pm |
Whats more fun than a moron not knowing his job? A moron who keeps interjecting himself when people are trying to sort out his mess and keeps getting in the way.
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freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:32:04pm |
re: #44 Sergey Romanov
He is definitely an attention grabber. He is there to promote himself, probably to sell more of his books.
Again, Muller is doing nothing new, nothing that hadn’t already been known or shown.
And still, Muller is taking a political approach to all of this. I have no doubt that he still dislikes Al Gore, and wants to somehow maneuver this into another anti-Gore-ism.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:32:27pm |
re: #45 Obdicut
What can one do, if the H-deniers themselves see the identical structure of the two denials?
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:33:53pm |
re: #48 Sergey Romanov
Oh god. Do they blame Jewish scientists and media for spreading the ‘lie’ of AGW?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:34:34pm |
re: #49 Obdicut
Read it. ;)
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:36:04pm |
Website says I need a plug-in and it won’t plug-in, even manually. Not available.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:36:35pm |
re: #51 ggt
Well, it’s over anyway.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:37:16pm |
re: #8 Obdicut
I hope they invite members of the military to these hearings too. The US military takes climate change very, very seriously, and are probably the only large organization actively preparing for it.
I have great respect for the Military’s ability to recognize reality. Mostly, I don’t to know it the way they do.
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Political Atheist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:37:53pm |
re: #51 ggt
Website says I need a plug-in and it won’t plug-in, even manually. Not available.
I wound up using IE. *shudder* neither FF nor Aurora would take the plug in
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Interesting Times Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:38:18pm |
re: #49 Obdicut
Oh god. Do they blame Jewish scientists and media for spreading the ‘lie’ of AGW?
When the staff at Hatewatch wants to know about the weird weather out there, we know just where to turn: Stormfront.org. That’s right, the leading white supremacist Web forum in the world. Only there can you find a truly unique revelation about the causes of global warming, and it has nothing to do with carbon emissions.
It’s the Jews.
That the nefarious Jews are behind “climate change and carbon trading scams” comes from no less an authority than a Stormfront member of more than three years who posts under the moniker of ZOG.gov. (ZOG is a white supremacists’ acronym for Zionist Occupied Government.) He thoughtfully posted photos and biographical information of nine climate experts whom he identified as being Jewish.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:39:28pm |
re: #22 freetoken
My feeling: AGW is impotent as a political cause because the affects of climate change are just way, way too slow for the human decision making process.
We are short term thinkers and doers. That’s evolutionary and can’t really be escaped. It takes a great deal of effort, and luck, to get groups of people (societies) to manage themselves and plan for decade-long efforts. Big picture items like climate change are too difficult in these circumstances.
Which leads me to COP17, which starts in two weeks. It looks to be worse than ever. Durban will not be the savior of the process.
E.g., the Indians (and not just the reactionary right Republicans in this country) are objecting to the EU adding carbon fees to air flights that land or take off in the EU. India claims that this was not a consensual approach, that all the parties involved have to agree to these things and that a single actor (the EU) can’t make these sort of decisions on their own.
So, frankly, I think my conclusion will stand - that nothing (of consequence) at all will really be done about AGW, at least from a mitigation perspective.
I think more and more of us have become short-term thinkers. I think the ability to think long-term is related to how much and what type of education a person has.
The Vatican surely things long term. I think most scientists and philosophers do to.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:39:46pm |
re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Whats more fun than a moron not knowing his job? A moron who keeps interjecting himself when people are trying to sort out his mess and keeps getting in the way.
The call:
Tech: “So Kragar, what seems to be -“
Moron: “Yeah, what I think he’s trying to do is (insert completely incorrect statement of events)”
Me: “No, what needs to be done is - “
Moron: “What he’s trying to say is (gets it wrong again)”
Tech: “So Kragar, what seems to be the problem?”
Repeat for 10 minutes, could have settled it in 2 minutes if dipshit would have just shut the fuck up.
Moron is our Manager’s new golden boy who can do no wrong. Such joy.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:41:24pm |
Is there going to be a transcript —
I looked on C-SPAN, but couldn’t find the hearing.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:43:24pm |
re: #50 Sergey Romanov
Who is that ‘shyster’ asshole?
Lovely guy:
I dont think that’s true Poosh. I think the chimps have it that a filthy desert dwelling tribe of slaves got free, went on a genocidal rampage, and then started to fuck up every other tribe they became involved with. It was only later that the genocidal slave descendants were able to take revenege on the world for their self-loathing by taking over the running of the big tribes by stealth. Come on Poosh, keep up.
He’s almost a self-parody.
Anyway, I see that most of them avoid ever directly alleging it’s Jewish scientists, but they apparently already think that Jews control the US so it’s kind of a moot point. Oy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:45:02pm |
re: #59 Obdicut
Oh, that takes me back…//
He was one of the stupider ones, denied even the existence of crematoria in Birkenau.
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:45:13pm |
re: #59 Obdicut
Who is that ‘shyster’ asshole?
Lovely guy:
He’s almost a self-parody.
Anyway, I see that most of them avoid ever directly alleging it’s Jewish scientists, but they apparently already think that Jews control the US so it’s kind of a moot point. Oy.
The Joos control SCIENCE!! That’s why they win so many Nobel prizes!!!
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:45:54pm |
re: #61 rwdflynavy
You have probably just summarized 5-10 Stormfront threads.
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aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:46:00pm |
re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The call:
Tech: “So Kragar, what seems to be -“
Moron: “Yeah, what I think he’s trying to do is (insert completely incorrect statement of events)”
Me: “No, what needs to be done is - “
Moron: “What he’s trying to say is (gets it wrong again)”
Tech: “So Kragar, what seems to be the problem?”
Repeat for 10 minutes, could have settled it in 2 minutes if dipshit would have just shut the fuck up.
Moron is our Manager’s new golden boy who can do no wrong. Such joy.
God is teaching you patience. Or trying to give you an ulcer.
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:46:14pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:46:38pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:46:53pm |
re: #62 Sergey Romanov
You probably just summarized 5-10 Stormfront threads.
I like the idiot on that thread you link to from your site who is a pure sort of racist. He thinks that Jews are smarter than Aryans, and that’s why the Aryans had to kill ‘em, you see.
What a bizarre view of humanity.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:48:49pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 12:50:40pm |
Video archives of each hearing are posted to that hearing’s page approximately 24-48 hours after the hearing concludes.
From Charles Link. Think I’ll remember to find it and watch it?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:06:10pm |
re: #66 Obdicut
I like the idiot on that thread you link to from your site who is a pure sort of racist. He thinks that Jews are smarter than Aryans, and that’s why the Aryans had to kill ‘em, you see.
What a bizarre view of humanity.
And the Jews don’t even have the courtesy to say “thank you”?
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:07:56pm |
re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And the Jews don’t even have the courtesy to say “thank you”?
Those really are the scariest racists, to me, the ones who are afraid of Jews because they think we’re some sort of uberrace, or have some sort of secret to cultural cohesion nobody else does. Contempt is easier to defend against than fear.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:08:22pm |
Can’t play the feed on my Linux machine.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:08:58pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:11:33pm |
Linux sucks!
///
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:11:56pm |
re: #71 Obdicut
Those really are the scariest racists, to me, the ones who are afraid of Jews because they think we’re some sort of uberrace, or have some sort of secret to cultural cohesion nobody else does. Contempt is easier to defend against than fear.
Just read Hitler’s Army by Omar Bartov (a good read). I was amazed at the meme the Nazis used over and over that the Soviets were controlled by “Jewish-Bolsheviks” as if the Soviets weren’t the second runner ups in antisemitism.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:13:41pm |
re: #75 rwdflynavy
At that moment they weren’t.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:14:15pm |
re: #66 Obdicut
I like the idiot on that thread you link to from your site who is a pure sort of racist. He thinks that Jews are smarter than Aryans, and that’s why the Aryans had to kill ‘em, you see.
What a bizarre view of humanity.
Intelligence is a weird area for many modern racists. It used to be easy for them—white men were smarter than brown men and black men and yellow men.
They’re still happy to claim to be smarter than, say, blacks and Latinos, but Jews and Asians screw the whole thing up by being financially successful (which is their real mark of success), in what they think should be a white man’s world.
There’s always been an ‘intelligent, but not too intelligent’ thing going on with white supremacists anyway. When Jews were called ‘clever’ it was never more than half a compliment, back in the old days. And your modern supremacist has to battle between a more old-fashioned ideal of himself as a strong warrior, and the more modern ideal of himself as a capable capitalist.
Some racists try to make it work by including Jews (at least assimilated Ashkenazim, and anyone else who looks basically white to them) and Asians as sufficiently white for government work, and fellow victims of affirmative action.
Others divide up the evil dark peoples into two groups, the dumb brutes and the sinisterly brilliant manipulators.
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:15:14pm |
re: #71 Obdicut
Those really are the scariest racists, to me, the ones who are afraid of Jews because they think we’re some sort of uberrace, or have some sort of secret to cultural cohesion nobody else does. Contempt is easier to defend against than fear.
Uberrace indeed. You didn’t even do the umlaut correctly!!!
//
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freetoken Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:15:24pm |
Up on the Page Why the right wing fears climate action (not because they’re crazy) I’ve added some (critical) comments on the Klein piece linked (via Grist).
What I find most discomforting about her piece is that she feels the need to hitch just about every in-vogue topic for her self-described “progressive” group to the reality of AGW bandwagon, including trying to marry OWS to AGW concerns.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:15:27pm |
re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, we don’t want to be confused with the Barbarian Hordes, do we?
/gah
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:16:31pm |
re: #78 rwdflynavy
löl
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:17:13pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:18:47pm |
Vocabulary Word for today:
umlaut may refer to:
Diaeresis (diacritic), a pair of dots ( ¨ ) above a vowel, used in German to mark umlaut
Metal umlaut, the same diacritic in names of heavy metal or hard rock bands for effect
I-mutation or umlaut, historic vowel fronting or raising in any language
Germanic umlaut, this process in Germanic languages
Affection (linguistics), this process in Celtic languages
Regressive vowel harmony
Umlaut vowel can refer to any front rounded vowel:
Close front rounded vowel [y]
Close-mid front rounded vowel [ø]
Open-mid front rounded vowel [œ]
Open front rounded vowel [ɶ]
Lars Umlaut, a character playable in the Guitar Hero series of music video games
Umläut, Clinton McKinnon’s experimental Australian rock band
Regressive Vowel Harmony?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:20:02pm |
re: #75 rwdflynavy
Just read Hitler’s Army by Omar Bartov (a good read). I was amazed at the meme the Nazis used over and over that the Soviets were controlled by “Jewish-Bolsheviks” as if the Soviets weren’t the second runner ups in antisemitism.
This just reminded me of a story that I love, so I tell it when I get a chance. At a synagogue I went to for services while I was shopping around shuls, I heard that one of the ladies in the congregation, a member since the early 50s, was a camp survivor, and for years she told how when the Soviet forces came, there was a young Jewish officer in charge of a group of them. She spent some time working with him, helping with translation—he had Yiddish, which allowed him to speak to many of the prisoners, and they passed things on to the non-Yiddish speakers. She said it was a wonder, seeing a Jewish man in an officer’s uniform, being treated with respect by his Gentile troops. After what they’d been through, the very idea was like something from another world.
Anyway, she made it to the States, raised a family, and a lot of time went by. Then, in the 1980s, she volunteered to do some outreach to new Soviet immigrants in the area, went to meet some people—and guess who’s there, with his kids and grandkids?
His grandson called her up for an aliyah at his bar mitzvah, and they told the whole story.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:20:27pm |
Front Rounded Vowel?
This is why I have had no luck in learning another language.
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erik_t Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:20:39pm |
re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist
A delightfully nuanced worldview. Reminds me of Star Trek. All relevant details of any species race can be summed up in (at most) one sentence. Any member of the species race that falls outside of a tenth-of-a-standard-deviation range is an exception that proves the rule.
Klingons: honorable warriors
Romulans: Iron Space Curtain
Ferengi: megacapitalists
Cardassians: conniving
(not attempting to imply that ST writers or producers are racist etc)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:24:50pm |
re: #86 erik_t
A delightfully nuanced worldview. Reminds me of Star Trek. All relevant details of any
speciesrace can be summed up in (at most) one sentence. Any member of thespeciesrace that falls outside of a tenth-of-a-standard-deviation range is an exception that proves the rule.Klingons: honorable warriors
Romulans:IronSpace Curtain
Ferengi: megacapitalists
Cardassians: conniving(not attempting to imply that ST writers or producers are racist etc)
Hah! Just about. And I say that as a bissel Trekkie.
It’s a recurrent issue in science fiction, but I think that Babylon Five does more nuance.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:25:02pm |
re: #86 erik_t
A delightfully nuanced worldview. Reminds me of Star Trek. All relevant details of any
speciesrace can be summed up in (at most) one sentence. Any member of thespeciesrace that falls outside of a tenth-of-a-standard-deviation range is an exception that proves the rule.Klingons: honorable warriors
Romulans:IronSpace Curtain
Ferengi: megacapitalists
Cardassians: conniving(not attempting to imply that ST writers or producers are racist etc)
Humans: Annoying busybodies.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:25:36pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:25:59pm |
re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Humans:
Annoying busybodies.Carelessly messy.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:26:11pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:26:38pm |
re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Humans: Annoying busybodies.
Well-meaning explorers, if you want to be nice.
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aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:27:07pm |
Speaking of racist wingnuts, the Veteran Defenders of America group endorsed by Fox News contributor, retired Gen. Paul Vallely, held a march on Washington Friday to demand the resignation of the usurper and almost everyone else in government. They had 150 demonstrators showed up. On their Facebook page they blamed “The Media” for not advertising their pathetic little racist march.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:27:18pm |
re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist
Well-meaning explorers, if you want to be nice.
Humans: insatiable beings
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:27:18pm |
re: #90 EmmmieG
In spandex.
An entire crew of all officers, with the only enlisted men apparently working in engineering.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:27:59pm |
re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
An entire crew of all officers, with the only enlisted men apparently working in engineering.
And no women in engineering. What’s up with that?
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Lidane Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:28:15pm |
Sorry to go OT so soon, but LOL forever:
Cain Accuser Ex-Boyfriend: Yes, Herman Cain Knew Sharon Bialek
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:28:27pm |
re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist
Well-meaning explorers, if you want to be nice.
Of all the things I could be called, well-meaning is near the bottom of the list.
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erik_t Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:28:36pm |
re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Humans: Annoying busybodies.
Human: whatever we want to be, because we’re just so special, damnit.
/the one thing that B5 really screwed up even in comparison to ST
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albusteve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:28:46pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
And no women in engineering. What’s up with that?
they’re down in the laundry….
jus kidding
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aagcobb Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:28:57pm |
re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
An entire crew of all officers, with the only enlisted men apparently working in engineering.
Don’t forget the convenient red shirts, whose jobs are to die on away missions with Kirk, Spock and Bones.
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:29:07pm |
re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
An entire crew of all officers, with the only enlisted men apparently working in engineering.
and a very short life expectancy.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:29:27pm |
re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
An entire crew of all officers, with the only enlisted men apparently working in engineering.
and the kitchen …
| 105 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:30:46pm |
re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist
State antisemitism in USSR began gathering steam after 1945, culminating in late-Stalinist period and then slowly (but surely) burning throughout the rest of the Soviet period. Your story reminds me of an article I’ve recently read, analyzing the reaction of Polish Jews to the Soviet occupation in 1939. Many Jews were greeting the Soviet troops (which caused quite a negative reaction among Poles). Among the reasons, as stated in the article, was antisemitism of the Polish state, however mostly it was the relief that it was the Soviets, not the Nazis, who occupied the territory. For these Jews the Soviets by themselves didn’t necessarily represent a force of good, but rather a lesser evil. However, the article points out, many Jews were very reassured when they saw that among the Soviet officers, including high ranks, there also were Jews.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:31:29pm |
re: #102 aagcobb
Don’t forget the convenient red shirts, whose jobs are to die on away missions with Kirk, Spock and Bones.
Ensign Ricky was still an officer.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:33:26pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
And no women in engineering. What’s up with that?
IIRC, there were in the later shows.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:33:36pm |
So much facepalm:
“Is that purely a meat question?” GQ‘s Alan Richman asked.
“A manly man don’t want it piled high with vegetables!” Cain exclaimed. “He would call that a sissy pizza.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:34:10pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
And no women in engineering. What’s up with that?
“My only job on board this ship is to repeat what the computer says, and I am going to do that job!!”
Love Galaxy Quest.
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rwdflynavy Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:34:51pm |
re: #108 goddamnedfrank
So much facepalm:
More importantly, where does he come down on the whole pineapple on pizza issue?
//
| 111 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:35:35pm |
re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist
Such a fun movie.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:35:49pm |
re: #102 aagcobb
Don’t forget the convenient red shirts, whose jobs are to die on away missions with Kirk, Spock and Bones.
Old joke: Bob from Security is called on to go down to the new planet with the captain, Spock, and Dr. McCoy.
He returns some hours later, and opens the door to the bunkroom. “Dudes! Not cool! Who took all my stuff?”
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:36:02pm |
re: #110 rwdflynavy
More importantly, where does he come down on the whole pineapple on pizza issue?
//
Well, seeing as it is usually paired with some sort of ham or bacon; and therefore, not kosher … .
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:36:15pm |
re: #107 ggt
IIRC, there were in the later shows.
Which is why I never saw them. I grew up on the old ones.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:37:28pm |
re: #103 rwdflynavy
and a very short life expectancy.
Barbara Kingsolver refers to a redshirt at one point as ‘the unfortunate lieutenant of color’, a phrase I have adopted to describe the disposable ethnic character in all sorts of media.
| 117 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:38:56pm |
re: #107 ggt
IIRC, there were in the later shows.
Actually, Roddenberry did amazing work getting women and assorted minority groups into the show. It looks old-fashioned now, but you do have to put it up against other TV of the day.
| 118 |
lawhawk Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:39:49pm |
re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist
First interracial kiss on tv (Kirk and Uhura) - though Kirk would kiss anyone of the female variety, regardless of species.
| 119 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:39:53pm |
re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist
“My only job on board this ship is to repeat what the computer says, and I am going to do that job!!”
Love Galaxy Quest.
oooh, I can’t find it on youtube.
:(
| 120 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:40:50pm |
re: #118 lawhawk
First interracial kiss on tv (Kirk and Uhura) - though Kirk would kiss anyone of the female variety, regardless of species.
Nichelle Nichols—so unbelievably sexy. Even in that daft miniskirted outfit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:41:24pm |
re: #119 ggt
oooh, I can’t find it on youtube.
:(
Rent it. It’s hilarious, especially if you’re a bit of a Trekkie, or know folks who are. Also, very touching, and actually not bad science fiction in its own way.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:41:57pm |
re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, Roddenberry did amazing work getting women and assorted minority groups into the show. It looks old-fashioned now, but you do have to put it up against other TV of the day.
I love the story about the first time they had Orion slave girls on the show. They filmed the girls, then got the prints back and the girls weren’t green, so they refilmed the scene, got the film back and the girls still weren’t green. So he calls down to the developing department and the first thing they say to him is “What the hell are you doing? We keep having to color correct the film you’ve been sending us!”
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:42:28pm |
re: #83 ggt
Vocabulary Word for today:
Regressive Vowel Harmony?
vowel harmony is when the vowels in suffixes or inflections change to more closely match the vowels in the root. this process is usually found in agglutinative languages like e.g. finnish, hungarian, or turkish. here is an example via wiksterpedia from hungarian
Root Dative Gloss
város város-nak ‘city’
öröm öröm-nek ‘joy’
vowel harmony is ‘regressive’ when the change in vowels goes the other way, from the suffix to the root, and this process is thought to be implicated in the existence of umlaut vowels in languages like german, and irregular plurals in english like “goose” vs “geese”
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:44:20pm |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
Rent it. It’s hilarious, especially if you’re a bit of a Trekkie, or know folks who are. Also, very touching, and actually not bad science fiction in its own way.
Sam Rockwell made that movie for me.
Guy Fleegman: I’m just a glorified extra, Fred. I’m a dead man anyway. If I’m gonna die, I’d rather go out a hero than a coward.
Fred Kwan: Guy, Guy… maybe you’re the plucky comic relief. You ever think about that?
Guy Fleegman: Plucky?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:44:37pm |
re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist
Dr. Smith was gay on “Lost in Space”.
/
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:52:59pm |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
Rent it. It’s hilarious, especially if you’re a bit of a Trekkie, or know folks who are. Also, very touching, and actually not bad science fiction in its own way.
I OWN IT!
| 128 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:54:42pm |
re: #123 engineer dog
vowel harmony is when the vowels in suffixes or inflections change to more closely match the vowels in the root. this process is usually found in agglutinative languages like e.g. finnish, hungarian, or turkish. here is an example via wiksterpedia from hungarian
Root Dative Gloss
város város-nak ‘city’
öröm öröm-nek ‘joy’vowel harmony is ‘regressive’ when the change in vowels goes the other way, from the suffix to the root, and this process is thought to be implicated in the existence of umlaut vowels in languages like german, and irregular plurals in english like “goose” vs “geese”
u-huh
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:56:06pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:56:31pm |
re: #126 ggt
I OWN IT!
So, do you have a machine to watch it on?
If not? Look around, can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe?
| 132 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 14, 2011 1:57:41pm |
THERE IS NO QUANTUM FLUX
THERE’S NO AUXILLARY
THERE’S NO
GOD
DAMN
SHIP!
YA GOT IT?!?!?
| 133 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:00:16pm |
| 134 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:00:57pm |
Productivity calls!
Have a great evening all!
| 135 |
Atlas Fails Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:02:19pm |
The right’s war on science apparently knows no bounds.
Albert Einstein vs. Conservapedia.
I’m calling this one.
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:04:58pm |
re: #135 Atlas Fails
The right’s war on science apparently knows no bounds.
Albert Einstein vs. Conservapedia.
I’m calling this one.
Conservatives: A group of people who assume if they cannot understand it, it must be wrong.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:08:02pm |
re: #135 Atlas Fails
The right’s war on science apparently knows no bounds.
Albert Einstein vs. Conservapedia.
I’m calling this one.
Oh. Yeah. That page.
The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world.
See, e.g., historian Paul Johnson’s book about the 20th century, and the article written by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe as allegedly assisted by Barack Obama. Virtually no one who is taught and believes Relativity continues to read the Bible, a book that outsells New York Times bestsellers by a hundred-fold.
People keep telling me that the whole thing is written up by trolls, but they’ve allowed it to stay up over there for YEARS. That and the wonderful section on why you can only avoid STDs and disaster if you marry a conservative.
I suspect, from that opening line, that some of them may think that relativity has something to do with moral relativity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:08:42pm |
re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Conservatives: A group of people who assume if they cannot understand it, it must be wrong.
Calling the people at Conservapedia conservatives may be pushing it.
Then again, calling the people at Conservapedia sane may be pushing it.
| 139 |
erik_t Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:08:56pm |
re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist
This would be rejected for publication from the Onion.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:09:30pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
Calling the people at Conservapedia conservatives may be pushing it.
Then again, calling the people at Conservapedia sane may be pushing it.
A website dedicated to those of us who believe that you damn well are entitled to your own facts.
| 141 |
albusteve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:10:48pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
Calling the people at Conservapedia conservatives may be pushing it.
Then again, calling the people at Conservapedia sane may be pushing it.
of course they’re conservatives, therefore they are racists, bigots, woman haters, gay bashers and war mongers…did I leave anyone out?
| 142 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:11:14pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
Calling the people at Conservapedia conservatives may be pushing it.
Then again, calling the people at Conservapedia sane may be pushing it.
THEY KICKED ME OFF!
for correcting their metal article :D
| 143 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:11:36pm |
The website that decided to rewrite the Bible—leading my poor father to yell “That’s not conservative! That’s RADICAL!”
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albusteve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:12:07pm |
re: #142 WindUpBird
THEY KICKED ME OFF!
for correcting their metal article :D
they hate your guts and want you dead…don’t go near them, conservatives, that is
| 145 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:12:19pm |
re: #142 WindUpBird
THEY KICKED ME OFF!
for correcting their metal article :D
I’ve never seen their metal article. Searching…
| 146 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:12:31pm |
re: #141 albusteve
[Link: www.conservapedia.com…]
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engineer cat Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:12:35pm |
Virtually no one who is taught and believes Relativity continues to read the Bible
uh-huh
| 148 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:13:02pm |
re: #141 albusteve
They don’t even have an article for Little Feat :(
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Kragar Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:13:12pm |
re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist
#32) Based on Relativity, Einstein predicted in 1905 that clocks at the Earth’s equator would be slower than clocks at the North Pole, due to different velocities; in fact, all clocks at sea level measure time at the same rate, and Relativists made new assumptions about the Earth’s shape to justify this contradiction of the theory; they also make the implausible claim that relativistic effects from gravitation precisely offset the effects from differences in velocity.[21]
Pair of Aluminum Atomic Clocks Reveal Einstein’s Relativity at a Personal Scale
The NIST experiments focused on two scenarios predicted by Einstein’s theories of relativity. First, when two clocks are subjected to unequal gravitational forces due to their different elevations above the surface of the Earth, the higher clock — experiencing a smaller gravitational force — runs faster. Second, when an observer is moving, a stationary clock’s tick appears to last longer, so the clock appears to run slow. Scientists refer to this as the “twin paradox,” in which a twin sibling who travels on a fast-moving rocket ship would return home younger than the other twin. The crucial factor is the acceleration (speeding up and slowing down) of the travelling twin in making the round-trip journey.
NIST scientists observed these effects by making specific changes in one of the two aluminum clocks and measuring the resulting differences in the two ions’ relative ticking rates, or frequencies.
In one set of experiments, scientists raised one of the clocks by jacking up the laser table to a height one-third of a meter (about a foot) above the second clock. Sure enough, the higher clock ran at a slightly faster rate than the lower clock, exactly as predicted.
The second set of experiments examined the effects of altering the physical motion of the ion in one clock. (The ions are almost completely motionless during normal clock operations.) NIST scientists tweaked the one ion so that it gyrated back and forth at speeds equivalent to several meters per second. That clock ticked at a slightly slower rate than the second clock, as predicted by relativity. The moving ion acts like the traveling twin in the twin paradox.
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albusteve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:14:59pm |
re: #148 WindUpBird
They don’t even have an article for Little Feat :(
just goes to prove how worthless they are
| 151 |
Atlas Fails Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:17:04pm |
re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Conservatives: A group of people who assume if they cannot understand it, it must be wrong.
The article itself, “Counterexamples to Relativity,” is a goldmine. From its incoherent introduction:
The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world. Here is a list of 39 counterexamples: any one of them shows that the theory is incorrect.
To the laughable “counterexamples” given, the thing is a comedic masterpiece. Here’s a sampling:
Despite wasting millions of taxpayer dollars searching for gravity waves predicted by the theory, none has ever been found. Sound like global warming?
…
The action-at-a-distance by Jesus, described in John 4:46-54, Matthew 15:28, and Matthew 27:51.
…
Despite a century of wasting billions of dollars in work on the theory, “No one knows how to solve completely the equations of general relativity that describe gravity; they are simply beyond current understanding.”
…
It is impossible to perform an experiment to determine whether Einstein’s theory of relativity is correct, or the older Lorentz aether theory is correct. Believing one over the other is a matter of faith.
…
In Genesis 1:6-8, we are told that one of God’s first creations was a firmament in the heavens. This likely refers to the creation of the luminiferous aether.
Those are just a few of the derpiest. Trust me, the “list” is easily refuted by even a scientific layman like me, let alone real Jewish communist scientists.
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Obdicut Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:17:25pm |
re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
NIST is part of the Department of Commerce.
Maybe that’s why Perry wants to get rid of it.
| 153 |
erik_t Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:19:36pm |
re: #151 Atlas Fails
They’re quoting the Bible quoting the ether? Fucking seriously?
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albusteve Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:21:13pm |
re: #153 erik_t
They’re quoting the Bible quoting the ether? Fucking seriously?
fuck yeah!…seriously
so what’s new
| 155 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:57:07pm |
re: #151 Atlas Fails
this is my new technical death metal band, we’re called Counterexamples To Relativity
the first side of the record is just one 26 minute song
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Jack Burton Mon, Nov 14, 2011 2:57:11pm |
re: #151 Atlas Fails
The article itself, “Counterexamples to Relativity,” is a goldmine. From its incoherent introduction:
To the laughable “counterexamples” given, the thing is a comedic masterpiece. Here’s a sampling:
…
…
…
…
Those are just a few of the derpiest. Trust me, the “list” is easily refuted by even a scientific layman like me, let alone real
Jewish communistscientists.
That page is Weapons’ Grade DERP… and comedy.
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