Rick Perry's New Gay-Bashing Ad: 'I'll End Obama's War on Religion'

Rick Perry’s New Gay-Bashing Ad: ‘I’ll End Obama’s War on Religion’

Rick Perry trashes gay troops, plays victim

WingnutsDecember 2011 • Views: 20,115

Rick Perry’s sick new campaign ad is chock full of gay-hatred and phony fundamentalist victimhood, trashing gay troops while attacking President Obama and “liberals” for a nonexistent “war on religion.” What a disgusting campaign this is.

Youtube Video

I’m not ashamed to admit that I’m a Christian, but you don’t need to be in the pew every Sunday to know there’s something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military but our kids can’t openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school.

As President, I’ll end Obama’s war on religion. And I’ll fight against liberal attacks on our religious heritage.

Faith made America strong. It can make her strong again.

I’m Rick Perry and I approve this message.

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178 comments

Mattand Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:58:16am

Dear Gov. Perry:

Go fuck yourself.

Hugs and kisses,
Matt

(I know I posted this last night on the other thread, but man, these idiots are really getting to me.)

Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:58:50am

Jon Stewart declares War on Christmas.

albusteve Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:59:56am

when it comes to Perry and his homies, I’m a one man hate group

nines09 Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:01:31am

There’s something wrong with Rick. Must be time for “The Official Race To The Bottom”. Creep.

Olsonist Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:02:01am

I’m Katy Perry and I approve this message:

Youtube Video

Lidane Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:02:42am

*sigh*

I’d say that this was perfect material for the Texas Dems to use to finally defeat Perry in the next governor’s election, but I won’t hold my breath.

Mattand Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:02:46am

re: #4 nines09

There’s something wrong with Rick. Must be time for “The Official Race To The Bottom”. Creep.

Nah, this is a last ditch effort to appeal to the Iowa conservatives, as Gingrich is kicking his ass five ways to Sunday.

lawhawk Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:05:35am

A last and desperate gasp for a single digit Perry to convert the conservatives that have fled his campaign back to his corner.

It wont work either.

But assuming that it does work, and this helps Perry win the nomination (a huge assumption, but work with me here), it would be a death-knell in the general, where this would come back to haunt him when independents see this crap and vote for Obama out of general principle against this kind of bigoted nonsense.

Lidane Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:05:41am

re: #5 Olsonist

This would have been a much better choice:

Youtube Video

dragonfire1981 Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:05:52am

The kids can’t openly celebrate Christmas?

WTF is he smoking?

It’s funny how he says “Faith” and “Religion”, when he really means “Christian”.

This single ad does a great job of alienating anyone who doesn’t believe in Jesus.

Obdicut Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:05:55am

And again, it’s just a lie. Kids can pray in school. They just can’t be made to pray, or have the school endorse their prayer. But they can spend any free time they’ve got praying.

Perry knows that he’s telling a lie, a dangerous lie. He must know.

And that’s not even getting into the gay-bashing. I’m more amazed that, once again, a GOP politician is simply straightforwardly lying, and the GOP base apparently doesn’t care, or wants to be told this, wants their precious victimhood status.

dragonfire1981 Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:06:59am

Can we report the video to youtube as hate speech or something?

Mattand Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:07:14am

re: #11 Obdicut

And again, it’s just a lie. Kids can pray in school. They just can’t be made to pray, or have the school endorse their prayer. But they can spend any free time they’ve got praying.

Perry knows that he’s telling a lie, a dangerous lie. He must know.

And that’s not even getting into the gay-bashing. I’m more amazed that, once again, a GOP politician is simply straightforwardly lying, and the GOP base apparently doesn’t care, or wants to be told this, wants their precious victimhood status.

The GOP base members I know are in denial about this. They usually trot out the Republican variant of the “No True Scotsman” defense.

Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:07:49am

Hasn’t got a prayer.

Lidane Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:08:08am

re: #11 Obdicut

I’m more amazed that, once again, a GOP politician is simply straightforwardly lying, and the GOP base apparently doesn’t care, or wants to be told this, wants their precious victimhood status.

Why the surprise? This is Fox News/Limbaugh conservatism in a nutshell. They’re professional victims.

erik_t Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:10:34am

I sort of expected this level of campaigning from Perry from day one. I’m surprised he kept his hatecrazy* at bay for so long.

* c.f. stupidcrazy, which he’s already shown in spades

kirkspencer Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:11:32am

The local high school was in the news a few years back because the cheerleaders put bible verses on the banner the football players burst through. There were six different christian-related extracurricular clubs, but no science or math clubs.

Pardon me while I laugh in Perry’s face. Oh, wait, better be careful or he’ll pull a Brownback and call a principal somewhere.

Four More Tears Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:12:26am

Oops.

lawhawk Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:13:34am

re: #11 Obdicut

Why are you assuming that he’d know? He can barely remember other key facts, such as the voting age (18, not 21 as he claimed), forgetting that NH has primaries, not a caucus, and couldn’t remember the 3d federal agency he’d eliminate even though it was one of his longstanding talking points (Commerce and Education Department, but forgetting Energy).

Simply Sarah Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:14:00am

re: #11 Obdicut

And again, it’s just a lie. Kids can pray in school. They just can’t be made to pray, or have the school endorse their prayer. But they can spend any free time they’ve got praying.

Perry knows that he’s telling a lie, a dangerous lie. He must know.

And that’s not even getting into the gay-bashing. I’m more amazed that, once again, a GOP politician is simply straightforwardly lying, and the GOP base apparently doesn’t care, or wants to be told this, wants their precious victimhood status.

Well, that and many of the religious right consider just that to be keeping prayer out of school. They think everyone should be forced to do it, publicly, organized by the teacher, and it needs to be Christian in nature.

wrenchwench Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:15:03am

I count six canards in 30 seconds. Good going, Rick! I bet you needed a teleprompter to get past two!

Romantic Heretic Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:15:20am

Didn’t watch the video. I can’t spare the brain cells and blinding rage isn’t good for my heart or stomach. So all I can see is Perry with the label ‘Strong’ next to him.

My immediate thought was, “Another person who confuses viciousness with strength.”

Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:15:24am

These dumb fuckers think adhering to the first amendment is a war on religion.

Interesting Times Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:15:54am

ABC News will be ~~inflicting~~ showing a GOP debate this Saturday. They’re asking people to submit questions.

I’d like to see Perry and the others questioned about this ad. Just imagine the epic audience reactions!

floppy Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:16:08am

Well said Governor, it’s time for America to go back to the founding fathers faith.

Another Great American

Youtube Video

erik_t Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:16:43am

I’m not in the pew every Sunday, and I know something is wrong with this country when social neanderthals like this campaign openly for the Presidency but our society can’t move forward on science-driven issues based on scientific thought and understanding.

Four More Tears Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:16:51am

Love to stay and chat, but I have to go and stop the neighbors’ kids from putting up those lights.

Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:16:51am

re: #22 Romantic Heretic

Didn’t watch the video. I can’t spare the brain cells and blinding rage isn’t good for my heart or stomach. So all I can see is Perry with the label ‘Strong’ next to him.

My immediate thought was, “Another person who confuses viciousness with strength.”

Maybe I should change the name of my blog to strongbabushka.com

dragonfire1981 Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:17:46am

Heh, the video currently has 103 likes and 1977 dislikes.

wrenchwench Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:17:55am

re: #25 floppy

Image: sleeper.jpg

Welcome, hatchling.

Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:17:55am

Here we go again.

Four More Tears Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:18:07am

re: #25 floppy

Well said Governor, it’s time for America to go back to the founding fathers faith.

Another Great American

[Video]

What was the faith of the Founding Fathers?

Please, enlighten us…

erik_t Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:19:06am

re: #32 JasonA

Mine, obviously.

* valid for all christian values of ‘mine’

Simply Sarah Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:19:07am

In other thoughts, can we please get at least a third party? One that I can, at the very least, agree to disagree with while mostly understanding the reasoning of its positions? I’m really tired of having the Democratic party be the only mainstream option out there to come up with policy that even has a chance of being remotely understandable to me.

blueraven Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:20:25am

This is the man who said of Bernanke, ‘I dunno what y’all would do to him in Iowa but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas’.

This is the man who said he never lost a minute of sleep over the execution of over 234 people.

Christian my ass.

bratwurst Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:21:32am

re: #25 floppy

Well said Governor, it’s time for America to go back to the founding fathers faith.

Another Great American

[Video]

The bar for “Great American” has apparently been lowered enough for a serial philanderer with dozens of ethics violations filed against him who quit on his constituents in 1998 to clear.

wrenchwench Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:22:17am

re: #34 Simply Sarah

In other thoughts, can we please get at least a third party? One that I can, at the very least, agree to disagree with while mostly understanding the reasoning of its positions? I’m really tired of having the Democratic party be the only mainstream option out there to come up with policy that even has a chance of being remotely understandable to me.

I used to feel the same way, but moving the Democrats would be much easier than starting another party.

I think you’re much younger than I am though. Are you prepared to work on it for 40 years or so?

albusteve Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:23:39am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

These dumb fuckers think adhering to the first amendment is a war on religion.

right…it’s not a war on religion, it’s a war on the Constitution

Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:24:38am

re: #25 floppy

He wants to bring back this America.

wrenchwench Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:25:11am

re: #38 albusteve

right…it’s not a war on religion, it’s a war on the Constitution

It was fine without all those Amendments!!1!

Alexzander Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:26:04am

Perry is down to 1.5 percent on intrade. Even Ron Paul is 5 times more likely to win the nomination. Huntsman is actually in third with 7 percent which is a good sign for sanity.

Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:26:14am

Santorum is a fucking idiot.

SANTORUM: We need to say very clearly that we will be conducting covert activity

If you tell them you’re doing it, it isn’t fucking covert.

/throws up in hands in disgust

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:26:24am

Really, seriously, is there not a minimum level of moral fiber in order to be president of the United States?

jaunte Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:27:04am

re: #25 floppy

“Shrink government.” Who’s going to fall for that one?

Four More Tears Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:27:12am

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Santorum is a fucking idiot.

SANTORUM: We need to say very clearly that we will be conducting covert activity

If you tell them you’re doing it, it isn’t fucking covert.

/throws up in hands in disgust

I know it’s serious when you of all people aren’t making a joke about it.

albusteve Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:27:20am

re: #43 EmmmieG

Really, seriously, is there not a minimum level of moral fiber in order to be president of the United States?

no, you just need a pulse

Simply Sarah Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:27:46am

re: #37 wrenchwench

I used to feel the same way, but moving the Democrats would be much easier than starting another party.

I think you’re much younger than I am though. Are you prepared to work on it for 40 years or so?

I suppose that might be the case. I do think something other than a two party system might help, though.

And, at this point, I don’t see having a choice. I can either work at it and hope for success or do nothing and watch things get worse. Still working on getting my ball rolling at full speed, but once I get there, nothing is going to stop me. And I need to stick to that.

Four More Tears Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:27:59am

re: #46 albusteve

no, you just need a pulse

Well, a pulse that started on American soil.

erik_t Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:28:13am

re: #41 Alexzander

Quoting intrade numbers in this fashion makes me a little peeved. Just as Vegas doesn’t necessarily think team X is Y points better than team Z, Luap Nor does not have five times Perry’s chances of winning the nomination. It’s about what numbers can make cash change hands, nothing more.

It’s definitely interesting to look at and follow, but it’s by no means a magical window into the future (or even the present).

Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:29:02am

re: #44 jaunte

“Shrink government.” Who’s going to fall for that one?

And by shrinking government, we mean we get your neighbors to spy on you.

Hey, its what they’re planning in Alabama.

erik_t Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:29:43am

re: #44 jaunte

“Shrink government.” Who’s going to fall for that one?

There’s a primary voter born every minute.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:29:55am

Twelve years ago (or so) my cousin was about to marry a guy that had not finished high school, entered college, or served a mission. (For a Mormon, this can be a red light. Doesn’t have to be.)

My concern was that the young man didn’t finish things, he didn’t stick with a task.

Guess what?

Two kids laters and about five years of marriage later, she became one more thing he wasn’t going to stick with. Just called her up (she had taken the kids to visit her parents) and told her it was over.

This is my problem with Newt.

blueraven Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:30:27am

re: #43 EmmmieG

Really, seriously, is there not a minimum level of moral fiber in order to be president of the United States?

One would hope so, but the past few years have severely tested that.

Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:31:22am

re: #45 JasonA

I know it’s serious when you of all people aren’t making a joke about it.

I wouldn’t trust Frothy to command a Boy Scout troop.

jaunte Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:32:36am

re: #43 EmmmieG

Really, seriously, is there not a minimum level of moral fiber in order to be president of the United States?

The thought did cross my mind, looking at the candidates lined up for debate, that this was a group of people badly in need of some fiber.

Alexzander Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:33:12am

re: #49 erik_t

Quoting intrade numbers in this fashion makes me a little peeved. Just as Vegas doesn’t necessarily think team X is Y points better than team Z, Luap Nor does not have five times Perry’s chances of winning the nomination. It’s about what numbers can make cash change hands, nothing more.

It’s definitely interesting to look at and follow, but it’s by no means a magical window into the future (or even the present).

Dude dont you know anything about ‘merica? The free market decides!

darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:33:22am

Rick Perry will never be this cool.

Eventual Carrion Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:34:57am

re: #25 floppy
Well said Governor, it’s time for America to go back to the founding fathers faith.

Another Great American

re: #32 JasonA

What was the faith of the Founding Fathers?

Please, enlighten us…

Thomas Jefferson:

“The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful, and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.”

“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”

“Christianity…(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. …Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.”

I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
……….Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, January 1, 1802

John Adams

“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”
……….To F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved—the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”
……….To Thomas Jefferson

Benjamin Franklin

“The nearest I can make it out, ‘Love your enemies’ means, ‘Hate your Friends’.”

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
— Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1758

“If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both here (England) and in New England.”

James Madison

“Every new and successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance”
……….James Madison, 1822, Writings, 9:101

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history”
……….James Madison, undated, William and Mary Quarterly, 1946, 3:555

Thomas Paine

“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.”

“All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”

“I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).”

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Wonder if he/she needs more?

Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:39:09am

re: #58 RayFerd

Wonder if he/she needs more?

You mean, more stuff to not read?

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:39:33am

re: #11 Obdicut

And again, it’s just a lie. Kids can pray in school. They just can’t be made to pray, or have the school endorse their prayer. But they can spend any free time they’ve got praying.

Perry knows that he’s telling a lie, a dangerous lie. He must know.

And that’s not even getting into the gay-bashing. I’m more amazed that, once again, a GOP politician is simply straightforwardly lying, and the GOP base apparently doesn’t care, or wants to be told this, wants their precious victimhood status.

The kids can pray. The kids can even pray in groups. The kids can organize Bible study.

I once worked at an incredibly lefty charter school. Some of the kids wanted to start a ‘Christian club’. You know what happened? They started one. The principal sat down with them and discussed good manners when talking about religion with people who may not agree with you. They were fine.

BongCrodny Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:40:15am

re: #25 floppy

Well said Governor, it’s time for America to go back to the founding fathers faith.

Another Great American

[Video]

Gingrich is a relic.

So are floppies, but I quibble.

darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:40:29am

re: #25 floppy

Another Great American

[Video]

Newt Gingrich? Really?

darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:41:55am

re: #61 BongCrodny

Gingrich is a relic.

So are floppies, but I quibble.

Unlike Gingrich, floppies can still serve a purpose (they make good drink coasters, for example).

Simply Sarah Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:41:59am

re: #58 RayFerd

I suppose I’d take that a step further. Even if we ignore the fact that the “founding fathers” held a huge range of religious beliefs, why is that important? Many of them also had slaves. Many didn’t have very enlightened views on women. Many didn’t care much for the poor, either.

Do those things suddenly become embedded and eternal values for Americans that we all must support (I’m aware some people have and will say “Yes”)?

They didn’t use computers, either. Does that make computers evil?

BongCrodny Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:42:38am

re: #41 Alexzander

Perry is down to 1.5 percent on intrade. Even Ron Paul is 5 times more likely to win the nomination. Huntsman is actually in third with 7 percent which is a good sign for sanity.

Unfortunately, Huntsman seems to be running *from* sanity.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:42:49am

re: #26 erik_t

I’m not in the pew every Sunday, and I know something is wrong with this country when social neanderthals like this campaign openly for the Presidency but our society can’t move forward on science-driven issues based on scientific thought and understanding.

I also love the loophole for those of you that may not actually, you know, go to church every Sunday—but by-God know that your kids have a right to have their religion reinforced at public school.

My dad goes to Mass every Sunday, Rick, which may be why he knows that the Establishement Clause is a good thing, and DADT wasn’t. Or perhaps it’s just that he’s bright.

darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:45:43am

re: #41 Alexzander

Perry is down to 1.5 percent on intrade. Even Ron Paul is 5 times more likely to win the nomination. Huntsman is actually in third with 7 percent which is a good sign for sanity.

After Iowa, the GOP will be so desperate for a sane and semi-rational candidate that they’ll be pushing Huntsman at every turn. It’s one thing to lose an election. It’s another to look stark raving mad while losing an election, and Gingrich and Romney both mean just that.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:47:07am

re: #32 JasonA

What was the faith of the Founding Fathers?

Please, enlighten us…

Well, I think Washington was an Episcopalian, and Adams was some kind of Congregationalist. I advise not trying to define Jefferson too clearly. My personal favorite line of Franklin’s has something to do with how he himself is not totally sold on Jesus’s divinity, but if believing him divine helps folks follow his teachings, that’s cool. A scattering of Deists, some Quakers, Catholics, Huguenots, Dutch Reformed…one thing that stands out as you look at the list is that these guys represent groups that were literally tearing each other to bloody shreds on the continent in living memory.

Four More Tears Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:47:47am

Damn. 14 years for Blagojevich.

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:47:50am

re: #36 bratwurst

The bar for “Great American” has apparently been lowered enough for a serial philanderer with dozens of ethics violations filed against him who quit on his constituents in 1998 to clear.

By “American” he was referring to cheese. You know, a process that produces an easily melted, but characterless, block of yellow-orange dairy product. Easy to flip-flop and you can project any values you wish on it as you push it back and forth on the plate to placate the various bases you are trying to pander to while the cheese covers and hides the vile vegetables that lie beneath.

Eventual Carrion Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:48:02am

re: #59 Charles

You mean, more stuff to not read?

/

But my copy/paste fu was getting rusty …

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:48:13am

re: #43 EmmmieG

Really, seriously, is there not a minimum level of moral fiber in order to be president of the United States?

It doesn’t say that anywhere in the Constitution. Natural-born, at least thirty-five, but moral fiber is not mentioned.

Neither, of course, is being a Cylon.

Four More Tears Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:48:14am

re: #69 JasonA

Damn. 14 years for Blagojevich.

“I got this bunk, and it’s bleepin’ golden!”

darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:48:19am

re: #69 JasonA

Damn. 14 years for Blagojevich.

That’ll put some gray in his hair.

Simply Sarah Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:49:26am

re: #69 JasonA

Damn. 14 years for Blagojevich.

Only 14? Bah. He got off easy.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:49:32am

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

It doesn’t say that anywhere in the Constitution. Natural-born, at least thirty-five, but moral fiber is not mentioned.

Neither, of course, is being a Cylon.

For that matter, having an IQ over 85 isn’t mentioned, either, but we usually look for it.

blueraven Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:50:25am

Jerry Sandusky Arrested on New Sex Abuse Charges

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:50:33am

re: #70 oaktree

By “American” he was referring to cheese. You know, a process that produces an easily melted, but characterless, block of yellow-orange dairy product. Easy to flip-flop and you can project any values you wish on it as you push it back and forth on the plate to placate the various bases you are trying to pander to while the cheese covers and hides the vile vegetables that lie beneath.

I seem to recall that we had some Canadians asking what the hell ‘American cheese’ was on here a while back.

Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:50:57am

re: #25 floppy

A dump and run job, first comment from a sleeper registered more than a year ago.

I’m always at a loss to understand what right wing trolls think they accomplish by doing things like this.

Obdicut Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:51:24am

re: #77 blueraven

Hopefully he won’t get out on bail this time, and will be put into protective custody.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:51:26am

re: #79 Charles

A dump and run job, first comment from a sleeper registered more than a year ago.

I’m always at a loss to understand what right wing trolls think they accomplish by doing things like this.

I just wonder how they choose which slight rise in the ground to die on.

Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:52:19am

re: #79 Charles

A dump and run job, first comment from a sleeper registered more than a year ago.

I’m always at a loss to understand what right wing trolls think they accomplish by doing things like this.

Victory!
/

Simply Sarah Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:52:20am

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

I just wonder how they choose which slight rise in the ground to die on.

Does seem rather random, doesn’t it?

jaunte Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:52:43am

“I’m not ashamed to admit that I’m a Christian”

This intro guarantees the rest will be complete bushwa.

Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:52:49am

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Victory!
/

Profit!
/

darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:53:20am

re: #79 Charles

A dump and run job, first comment from a sleeper registered more than a year ago.

I’m always at a loss to understand what right wing trolls think they accomplish by doing things like this.

Registered two days after I did…two years ago. Wow, my two year anniversary here was last Friday.

Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:54:59am

re: #80 Obdicut

Hopefully he won’t get out on bail this time, and will be put into protective custody.

In Florida, if you’re arrested while out on bail, the original bail usually gets revoked. Hopefully the same there.

darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:55:20am

re: #84 jaunte

“I’m not ashamed to admit that I’m a Christian”

This intro guarantees the rest will be complete bushwa.

It also serves as a “challenge” to the other candidates and President Obama to also not be ashamed of their faith(s)…whether they be Catholics, Muslims or members of a polygamist cult.

blueraven Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:55:48am

re: #86 darthstar

Registered two days after I did…two years ago. Wow, my two year anniversary here was last Friday.

Mine too…I didn’t notice until you mentioned yours. Happy Anniversary dear!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:57:00am

On the subject of moral fiber:

Yesterday I had my science class here and I mentioned in passing that today (which was then tomorrow) was the anniversary of Pearl Harbor.

I learned that some of the boys that show up are related to Mervyn Bennion, who died on the USS West Virginia. They know, of course, the entire story.

Ironically, when I went to research it later, and I read his eulogy, the personality traits that describe Mervyn Bennion also show up in these young men.

I just hope that such a sacrifice is never called for from them.

darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:57:11am

re: #89 blueraven

Mine too…I didn’t notice until you mentioned yours. Happy Anniversary dear!

I’m 59 minutes older than you!

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:57:47am

re: #86 darthstar

Registered two days after I did…two years ago. Wow, my two year anniversary here was last Friday.

Heh. Mine was Sunday. Guess that makes me the spring chicken compared to you. ;)

Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:57:53am

re: #91 darthstar

I’m 59 minutes older than you!

Get off my lawn.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:58:25am

re: #88 darthstar

It also serves as a “challenge” to the other candidates and President Obama to also not be ashamed of their faith(s)…whether they be Catholics, Muslims or members of a polygamist cult.

There are no Muslims or members of polygamist cults running. There aren’t than many of the latter, actually.

The one down in Southern Utah is completely imploding, and it’s hard to watch. The latest is that toys, bicycles, and trampolines have been banned completely.

At Christmas.

aagcobb Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:58:56am

I’m so glad that this presidential campaign will stand as a permanent monument to Perry’s hubris and stupidity. The man is vile.

CuriousLurker Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:59:20am

re: #25 floppy

Well said Governor, it’s time for America to go back to the founding fathers faith.

Another Great American

[Video]

Image: LOL_by_otakukitty.jpg

Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:59:27am

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Get off my lawn.

OH NOES!!! You’re one of those 2004 people!!!
/

Varek Raith Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:00:12am

People still use floppies?
Retro, dude, retro.

jaunte Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:00:45am

re: #94 EmmmieG

I think Darthstar is reading Perry’s intended dogwhistle.

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funky chicken Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:01:33am

I’ve said this before, but I think this kind of stuff is funny, and I think it will harm a candidate way more than it will help him, at least outside of the wackaloons who vote in the Iowa Caucuses.

Gingrich offends me much more than a clown like Perry, who is likely just following the lead of his wife and other advisors who think Perry is being oppressed in the GOP primary because of his “strong faith.”

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:01:54am

re: #99 jaunte

I think Darthstar is reading Perry’s intended dogwhistle.

Ah. Thank you for clarifying.

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Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:02:29am

Bachmann Is Concerned About Bestiality In The Military

Michele Bachmann condemned Congress on Glenn Beck’s web show last night for moving to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which outlaws both sodomy and sex with animals. The repeal measure is part of the Senate’s National Defense Authorization Act, which passed last week.

Beck played a clip of WorldNetDaily’s Les Kinsolving asking White House Press Secretary Jay Carney about the provision yesterday and Bachmann suggested that the policy change could encourage children to try bestiality:

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darthstar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:02:41am

re: #101 EmmmieG

Ah. Thank you for clarifying.

:) I’m not ashamed of my snarky irreverence.

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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:03:26am

re: #24 publicityStunted

ABC News will be ~~inflicting~~ showing a GOP debate this Saturday. They’re asking people to submit questions.

I’d like to see Perry and the others questioned about this ad. Just imagine the epic audience reactions!

Dear Governor,

When will you be coming out of the closet?

Thanks!

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:04:00am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann Is Concerned About Bestiality In The Military

Isn’t sex with animals already illegal in all the states? If you’re a person, I mean.

They should leave that part of the law in place, though, it’s animal abuse.

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:04:08am

re: #90 EmmmieG

On the subject of moral fiber:

Yesterday I had my science class here and I mentioned in passing that today (which was then tomorrow) was the anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
[snip]

Colonel Sandurz: Try here. Stop.
Dark Helmet: What the hell am I looking at? When does this happen in the movie?
Colonel Sandurz: Now. You’re looking at now, sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now.
Dark Helmet: What happened to then?
Colonel Sandurz: We passed then.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now. We’re at now now.
Dark Helmet: Go back to then.
Colonel Sandurz: When?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: Now?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: I can’t.
Dark Helmet: Why?
Colonel Sandurz: We missed it.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now.
Dark Helmet: When will then be now?
Colonel Sandurz: Soon.
Dark Helmet: How soon?

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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:04:09am

re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar

OH NOES!!! You’re one of those 2004 people!!!
/

Give up. we have you surrounded.

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aagcobb Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:04:12am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann Is Concerned About Bestiality In The Military

And the stupid continues to mount. Has there ever been a more dissolute, cynical and utterly vapid presidential campaign than that being run by the GOP?

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jaunte Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:04:28am

re: #101 EmmmieG

Perry is trying to claw his way up to the lead again, and his best chance is to try to appeal to Iowa evangelicals.

From NewsMax:

“Late last week, the Perry campaign announced it would spend $80,000 on new, more faith-based ads in Iowa to appeal to the state’s evangelicals.

In the new ad, Perry says: “Some liberals say that faith is a sign of weakness. Well, they’re wrong. I think we all need God’s help. I’m Rick Perry, I’m not ashamed to talk about my faith, and I approve this message.”

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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:04:48am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann Is Concerned About Bestiality In The Military

Right, because children are known to check the Uniform Code of Military Justice before trying something new.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:05:02am

re: #63 darthstar

Unlike Gingrich, floppies can still serve a purpose (they make good drink coasters, for example).

Not only that, they also have another leg up on Perry and the rest of the GOP field. They can receive, store, and recall facts and data.

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funky chicken Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:05:08am

re: #36 bratwurst

The bar for “Great American” has apparently been lowered enough for a serial philanderer with dozens of ethics violations filed against him who quit on his constituents in 1998 to clear.

Is that what was in his video? Thank you for watching so I don’t have to.

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albusteve Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:05:38am

re: #83 Simply Sarah

Does seem rather random, doesn’t it?

like shoplifting some attention

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:06:06am

re: #110 wrenchwench

Right, because children are known to check the Uniform Code of Military Justice before trying something new.

Could be worse. I expect the Uniform Code of the Justice League would make some of their hairs curl.

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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:06:17am

re: #25 floppy

How about the faith of Jefferson and his New Testament with all the “impossible” bits cut out? Or that grand old lecher Franklin? Or the atheism of Paine?

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funky chicken Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:06:27am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOLZ. She’s insane.

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Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:07:03am

re: #105 EmmmieG

Isn’t sex with animals already illegal in all the states? If you’re a person, I mean.

They should leave that part of the law in place, though, it’s animal abuse.

Its the way the Article was written:

Text.

“(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient
to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”

Elements.

(1) That the accused engaged in unnatural carnal copulation with a certain other person or with an animal. (Note: Add either or both of the following elements, if applicable)

(2) That the act was done with a child under the age of 16.

(3) That the act was done by force and without the consent of the other person.

Explanation.

It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person’s mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person’s sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.

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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:07:22am

re: #105 EmmmieG

Isn’t sex with animals already illegal in all the states? If you’re a person, I mean.

They should leave that part of the law in place, though, it’s animal abuse.

I don’t think so. I remember some idiot went to Washington state to have sex with a horse and was killed. The farm he went to was busted when they left the body on the sidewalk of the hospital. They then passed a law banning bestiality.

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Petero1818 Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:07:36am

This is not remotely surprising. He has floated those trial balloons for the last week or so, and I guess they are polling strong. So he is going to run with it.
The reality is that he was running a failed campaign on the issues of the economy and foreign policy. He has one chance left. Pander to the religious folks who are uncomfortable with Mitt and Newt. I predict we will hear very little from him on anything substantive. He will mention God, christian and war on religion every time he speaks. And by the way, it will probably work. I predict he will jump 5-10 points in the next 2 weeks.

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jaunte Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:07:54am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann Is Concerned About Bestiality In The Military

I look forward to her addressing the First Cavalry division.

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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:08:34am

re: #115 wlewisiii

How about the faith of Jefferson and his New Testament with all the “impossible” bits cut out? Or that grand old lecher Franklin? Or the atheism of Paine?

It finally logged out. Might be two more years before it posts again. Or maybe we will be graced with a comment just before the general election.

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aagcobb Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:08:53am

Someone, for the love of God, move the Iowa Caucuses to June, so we no longer after to endure these quadrennial descents into the black pit of rabid fundamentalism.

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Ming Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:09:01am

re: #34 Simply Sarah

In other thoughts, can we please get at least a third party? One that I can, at the very least, agree to disagree with while mostly understanding the reasoning of its positions? I’m really tired of having the Democratic party be the only mainstream option out there to come up with policy that even has a chance of being remotely understandable to me.

My impression from reading Obama’s book The Audacity of Hope is that Obama appreciates the need for a “sane center”. I’m disappointed that many liberals feel betrayed by Obama when he accomplishes what I consider to be “centrist” things, e.g. international free trade agreements. I hope that if Obama is re-elected in 2012, he’ll have the opportunity to bring more Democrats rightward to the center, and hopefully the sheer lunacy of the GOP will be marginalized. That may give us what I think you’re looking for in a third party, which at this point is simple sanity.

If the above optimistic scenario doesn’t happen (and I’m not very optimistic it will happen), then I would have to agree with your desire for a sane third party, although I’m not sure we should be optimistic about that either.

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Kragar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:09:29am

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t think so. I remember some idiot went to Washington state to have sex with a horse and was killed. The farm he went to was busted when they left the body on the sidewalk of the hospital. They then passed a law banning bestiality.

Its one of those things you would think you wouldn’t need a law to discourage people from.

“Do we really need a law on the books making it illegal to stick your balls in an egg beater?”

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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:09:59am

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its the way the Article was written:

Jeez, leaving that in is more likely to give the kids ideas.

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Romantic Heretic Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:10:07am

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ow!

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erik_t Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:10:27am

re: #123 Ming

Bill Nelson is plenty right enough already, thank you.

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Eventual Carrion Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:11:06am

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its one of those things you would think you wouldn’t need a law to discourage people from.

“Do we really need a law on the books making it illegal to stick your balls in an egg beater?”

“Honey, I was fired from the pickle factory today.”

- old joke

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:11:42am

re: #128 RayFerd

“Honey, I was fired from the pickle factory today.”

- old joke

Ding.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:12:39am

re: #120 jaunte

I look forward to her addressing the First Cavalry division.

Guess she never heard of the military incidence of ‘screwing the pooch’.

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lawhawk Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:12:39am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When she’s bested by a 8 year old over her inane positions on gays, saying “My mom is gay and she doesn’t need fixing”, I don’t think we have to worry about single digit polling Bachmann.

Youtube Video

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:12:39am

re: #105 EmmmieG

Isn’t sex with animals already illegal in all the states?

From [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Zoosexual activity (bestiality) is officially illegal in 32 states. Zoosexual activity is a misdemeanor in the following states:[25]

* Alaska[52]
* Arkansas
* California
* Florida[53]
* Iowa
* Maryland
* Maine
* Minnesota
* Missouri
* Nebraska
* New York
* North Dakota
* Oregon
* Pennsylvania
* Utah
* Wisconsin

Zoosexual activity (bestiality) is a felony in the following states:[25]

* Arizona
* Delaware
* Georgia
* Idaho
* Illinois
* Indiana
* Massachusetts
* Michigan
* Mississippi
* Oklahoma
* Rhode Island
* South Carolina
* South Dakota
* Tennessee[54]
* Virginia
* Washington

The remaining 18 states (and DC) do not have laws prohibiting zoosexual activity. Two states had laws against zoophilia that were declared unconstitutional by state courts and were subsequently invalidated: Montana and North Carolina.[25] In Kansas, a law against zoophilia was repealed.[25] In the District of Columbia, a law against zoophilia (listed under “sodomy”) was repealed.[55]

Bestiality is a felony in Puerto Rico[56] and is illegal in the U.S. Virgin Islands.[57]

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lawhawk Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:13:31am

re: #120 jaunte

I look forward to her addressing the First Cavalry division.

They’re armored. For your protection. /thanks, I’ll be here all week.

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aagcobb Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:13:40am

re: #123 Ming

My impression from reading Obama’s book The Audacity of Hope is that Obama appreciates the need for a “sane center”. I’m disappointed that many liberals feel betrayed by Obama when he accomplishes what I consider to be “centrist” things, e.g. international free trade agreements. I hope that if Obama is re-elected in 2012, he’ll have the opportunity to bring more Democrats rightward to the center, and hopefully the sheer lunacy of the GOP will be marginalized. That may give us what I think you’re looking for in a third party, which at this point is simple sanity.

If the above optimistic scenario doesn’t happen (and I’m not very optimistic it will happen), then I would have to agree with your desire for a sane third party, although I’m not sure we should be optimistic about that either.

I’m sorry, but the last two Democratic Presidents, Clinton and Obama, have been very sane centrists by any reasonable standard. Almost everything Obama has done, including the affordable care act and the stimulus, originated as GOP proposals or are acts that have been taken by the GOP in the past, before its lurch toward the extreme right.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:14:18am

re: #132 000G

From [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Thanks—I’ll sleep easier here in AL.

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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:15:06am

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its one of those things you would think you wouldn’t need a law to discourage people from.

“Do we really need a law on the books making it illegal to stick your balls in an egg beater?”

I found the article.

Man Dies In Bizarre Case Of Bestiality

A very disturbing story as a Seattle man has died following a bizarre case of bestiality.

Detectives are investigating the possibility an Enumclaw farm was the base for a ring that abuses animals for sex. And what they’ve done is not illegal in Washington State.

In a picture-perfect corner of rural King County, Sheriff’s investigators uncovered a dirty little mess: Men having sex with animals at a small farm outside of Enumclaw.

The private gatherings became public when a 45-year-old Seattle man died after having sex with an Arabian stallion.

The medical examiner says the death is accidental.

“If this pans out, it’s the most egregious case that we’ve heard of,” says Sgt. John Urquhart with the King County Sheriff’s Office. “We don’t have deaths that result from this activity, nobody can remember when anything like this has ever happened.”

Investigators believe this farm may have become a hot spot for sex with animals, with people learning about it through Internet chat rooms. They don’t know how long it’s been going on, although the man at the center has rented the farm for about six years.

…

You have to wonder who the fuck has it in their head to do such vile things and why it wasn’t illegal.

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funky chicken Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:16:06am

re: #94 EmmmieG

There are no Muslims or members of polygamist cults running. There aren’t than many of the latter, actually.

The one down in Southern Utah is completely imploding, and it’s hard to watch. The latest is that toys, bicycles, and trampolines have been banned completely.

At Christmas.

My son is convinced the husband on Sister Wives has it going on though. They seem like a nice family, and they aren’t hurting anybody. For the record, a creep like Newt Gingrich is much more of a threat to “traditional marriage” than most of the folks evangelicals like to bitch about.

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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:16:14am

re: #90 EmmmieG

On the subject of moral fiber:

Yesterday I had my science class here and I mentioned in passing that today (which was then tomorrow) was the anniversary of Pearl Harbor.

I learned that some of the boys that show up are related to Mervyn Bennion, who died on the USS West Virginia. They know, of course, the entire story.

Ironically, when I went to research it later, and I read his eulogy, the personality traits that describe Mervyn Bennion also show up in these young men.

I just hope that such a sacrifice is never called for from them.

Somehow I’d missed reading about him. Thank you for that.

WV got her measure of revenge for him though. She was one of the ships that crossed the T on the Japanese fleet at Surigao Strait.

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Eventual Carrion Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:17:53am

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

I found the article.

Man Dies In Bizarre Case Of Bestiality

You have to wonder who the fuck has it in their head to do such vile things and why it wasn’t illegal.

“No, no. We use the camel to ride to the whore house in town!”

- another old joke

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lawhawk Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:18:26am

re: #86 darthstar

Young’uns… /

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lawhawk Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:20:17am

Speaking of creeps and sex, Sandusky’s been rearrested on additional charges. They’ve increased the number of victims from 8 to 10.

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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:21:06am

re: #139 RayFerd

“No, no. We use the camel to ride to the whore house in town!”

- another old joke

BTW…the horse was behind him…if you know what I mean. What a way to go.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:22:31am

Speaking of Blagojevich – why can he and Corzine (and apparently every other NJ governor) get prosecuted but former Presidents cannot?

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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:22:48am

re: #141 lawhawk

And then there’s this…

SYRACUSE, N.Y. - The district attorney for Onondaga County in New York said Wednesday that former Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine cannot be charged with child molestation because the statute of limitations has passed.

Rick Perry’s New Gay-Bashing Ad: ‘I’ll End Obama’s War on Religion’

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