LGF Poll: A Clown Supreme
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421 comments
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Kragar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:00:01pm |
Trick question.
All internet polls require Ron Paul as the answer.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:02:35pm |
No vote form me this time. I did not see much of the debate, preferring the Saints/Lions game.
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funky chicken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:02:51pm |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Trick question.
Only Jon Huntsman showed the intelligence and maturity to deserve a driver's license, but he has no chance. So do I answer Huntsman or ... shudder ... Santorum? Or the inevitable Romney?
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:02:55pm |
I move this poll be edited to add the ghost of Ronald Reagan as an option.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:04:04pm |
re: #5 funky chicken
Just answer Bozo, since he's the one driving the clown car. =P
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krypto Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:04:56pm |
It's not clear how to interpret the vote for Bozo the Clown being in charge of the clown car, given that "Bedtime for Bozo" starred Ronald Reagan.
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funky chicken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:04:57pm |
Eh, I'm off for the night. Barack Obama is a lucky guy, and fortunately, a decent president.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:06:47pm |
re: #9 krypto
You're thinking of Bedtime for Bonzo.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:07:09pm |
I watched the last part of that debate, but damned if it didn't feel like I was still playing Dead Island.
"Gawt-damn you zombie bastards"!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:07:32pm |
re: #9 krypto
It's not clear how to interpret the vote for Bozo the Clown being in charge of the clown car, given that "Bedtime for Bozo" starred Ronald Reagan.
That show was actually called "Bedtime for Bonzo".
Bozo the Clown was a character on Chicago's WGN Channel 9.
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blueraven Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:10:44pm |
Well one thing for sure, Obama is getting volumes of material from these debates. Lies, more lies, and damn lies.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:14:43pm |
I just stopped keeping track of the lies. Practically every bogus right wing meme of the past 3 years made an appearance tonight.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:15:59pm |
re: #16 Charles
It took some rhetorical skill for Newt to throw in "bow" at just the right moment. His lips are well practiced at these sort of things.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:16:42pm |
Can it work? Can they out wingnut each other 'til the nomination, then veer back to the middle to win the general?
I doubt it. They don't deserve to, anyway.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:17:50pm |
re: #17 freetoken
Newt bows to no one. He has a servant pump his gas.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:19:24pm |
re: #20 jaunte
Newt bows to no one.
But that's only because he knows he won't be able to get back up again. Cut the guy some slack.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:19:25pm |
re: #20 jaunte
Newt bows to no one. He has a servant pump his gas.
Fortunately, with the lack of a minimum wage and with legal child labor, gasoline pump servants can be had cheap.
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aagcobb Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:20:02pm |
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Robert O. Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:20:34pm |
End the federal reserve
Return to the Gold standard
End labor laws
End the social safety net
End environmental protection
End public education
Ron Paul 1912! (Or 1812)
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:20:53pm |
The ABC talking heads, all the talking heads really, are trying to keep the "race" alive for the nomination. They know the public will lose what little interest it has in tuning in and watching these things if everyone acknowledges that it is all kabuki theatre and that Mitt has already been selected as the nominee.
Gotta sell more advert time.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:22:21pm |
Huntsman must be nuts if he thinks the GOP base is going to respond favorably to him speaking Mandarin Chinese.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:22:32pm |
Romney is such a chicken-shit. He wouldn't answer a single question...just let the others on stage commit then said, "Well, it could go this way or it could go that...you have to be blah blah blah when deciding on this..." Fucking coward.
Oh, and my wife just got an iPhone 4S today...how the fuck do you enable Siri and how do you find her/him/it?
I also bought her a new PC today - Acer - solid state drive with HDD as well...I like not giving a fuck about features anymore...just give me something I can have her do MS Office on and internet and be happy.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:22:53pm |
re: #27 Charles
I think he's just messing with them at this point.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:25:05pm |
re: #29 jaunte
I agree. Huntsman is running for 2016, or a position in a Romney administration (as unlikely as that might be the result of the 2012 election.)
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:25:18pm |
Evening lizards!
I missed the debate. Anything important happen?
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darthstar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:25:39pm |
re: #31 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards!
I missed the debate. Anything important happen?
Obama won...again.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:26:20pm |
BTW...that was my first post from my new iPad. I broke my iPad cherry.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:26:30pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:27:03pm |
I like how Mitt came out against the principle behind Griswold v. Connecticut (right to privacy) but didn't want to admit that this means states should be able ban contraception. He even feigned not knowing there was such a case. What a huge asshole.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:28:12pm |
re: #33 NJDhockeyfan
BTW...that was my first post from my new iPad. I broke my iPad cherry.
It's a good thing iPads are absorbant.
Image: ipadvideobbb.jpg
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:28:22pm |
re: #28 darthstar
Hold down the home button and she'll pop right up if you have her enabled.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:28:30pm |
re: #35 goddamnedfrank
He was for privacy before he was against it.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:29:19pm |
re: #37 JasonA
Hold down the home button and she'll pop right up if you have her enabled.
And how do I enable her if she isn't by default?
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darthstar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:31:25pm |
re: #39 darthstar
And how do I enable her if she isn't by default?
I'll assume it is...Going to log off now...thanks for the help.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:31:40pm |
re: #39 darthstar
The phone would have you asked you when it was activated. Just click the button on the homescreen that says settings. After that there should be an entry for Siri. If not on the first settings screen then maybe it's under general.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:31:44pm |
re: #38 freetoken
He was for privacy before he was against it.
Speaking of...
I was listening to Mark Levin's show last night on my beer run. According to him, laws that prohibit holding a cell phone to your ear or a burger to your face while driving are an invasion of privacy, and yet another example of our freedoms and libertys being taken away from us. He was not joking.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:32:40pm |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
Speaking of...
I was listening to Mark Levin's show last night on my beer run. According to him, laws that prohibit holding a cell phone to your ear or a burger to your face while driving are an invasion of privacy, and yet another example of our freedoms and libertys being taken away from us. He was not joking.
Your right to privacy ends at the edge of your bumper.
Crashing into mine.
At 65 on the freeway.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:33:24pm |
re: #27 Charles
Huntsman must be nuts if he thinks the GOP base is going to respond favorably to him speaking Mandarin Chinese.
At this point, I don't think he cares. He has to know he doesn't stand a chance with the party base. Why not piss off the same people who made that deeply offensive ad about him?
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:33:33pm |
Hey Yankee fans...Jorge Posada is retiring.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:34:22pm |
It's been a very warm end of December and beginning of January in the middle of the country:
PHOTO GALLERY: Warm temperatures draw Columbians outdoors
[Link: www.nws.noaa.gov...]
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:35:10pm |
re: #35 goddamnedfrank
Are you going to justify your saying that I don't care about Israel? Because if not, I would ask you to retract the statement.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:36:56pm |
re: #46 freetoken
It should not be this warm in Michigan either. Unless we get a ton of rain in spring I'm expecting droughts throughout the Midwest.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:37:04pm |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
Speaking of...
I was listening to Mark Levin's show last night on my beer run. According to him, laws that prohibit holding a cell phone to your ear or a burger to your face while driving are an invasion of privacy, and yet another example of our freedoms and libertys being taken away from us. He was not joking.
Riiiight. And tooling down the road in a ton of steel has nothing to do with it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:41:39pm |
re: #49 marjoriemoon
Riiight. And tooling down the road in a ton of steel has nothing to do with it.
Apparently, discouraging drivers from keeping one hand off the wheel while simultaneously blocking their peripheral vision is some kind of big gov't tyranny.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:41:54pm |
re: #48 Idle Drifter
The NCDC long term outlook:
[Link: www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov...]
indicates just the opposite - that there will be excess precipitation this coming spring (for the Great Lakes/ old Northwest area.)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:42:42pm |
re: #53 freetoken
The NCDC long term outlook:
[Link: www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov...]
indicates just the opposite - that there will be excess precipitation this coming spring (for the Great Lakes/ old Northwest area.)
a/k/a Flooding -?
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:42:48pm |
Texas, however, will remain in the depths of a severe drought.
Rick Perry may not have the pull with the Almight that he claims to have.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:43:08pm |
re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth
Apparently, discouraging drivers from keeping one hand off the wheel while simultaneously blocking their peripheral vision is some kind of big gov't tyranny.
One of my former co-workers got pulled over and ticketed for driving with his iPod headphones in his ears. He couldn't understand why the cops had a problem with it. WTF.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:43:17pm |
re: #54 ggt
a/k/a Flooding -?
Unknown.
The long term outlooks are barely better than guessing, but they are a bit better.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:44:32pm |
re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth
Apparently, discouraging drivers from keeping one hand off the wheel while simultaneously blocking their peripheral vision is some kind of big gov't tyranny.
Is he like a Glenn Beck character?
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:46:49pm |
re: #56 Lidane
One of my former co-workers got pulled over and ticketed for driving with his iPod headphones in his ears. He couldn't understand why the cops had a problem with it. WTF.
That happens to be in every driving manual in the U.S.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:48:04pm |
re: #58 marjoriemoon
Is he like a Glenn Beck character?
He's a big thing on the RW talk radio syndicate. Lot's of wingnuts reference his books or other material.
And since he is a "constitutional scholar", so I guess he knows what he's talking about.
Seriously, the dude spends so much time railing about this or that not being in the constitution he should be in the tank for Ron Paul instead of hating on him. Shit, but for a couple of key points, Levin sounds just like Paul.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:48:47pm |
re: #59 marjoriemoon
That happens to be in every driving manual in the U.S.
Has been since the '80s, as far as I remember.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:50:29pm |
re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
Has been since the '80s, as far as I remember.
Before that even! Of course, we had driver's ed back in the olden days.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:51:59pm |
As some of you noticed, in tonight's "debate" the candidates seemed stuck on 1000BC (phrased "3000 years ago") as somehow of special meaning to our nation.
They were, of course, speaking code to the religious right, code for "Davidic/Solomon theocracy".
Over at Scientific American, one blog writer broached the issue yesterday on the origins of human sexual behavior:
The Case of the Missing Polygamists
I probably don't agree with everything the writer put up, e.g.:
There is no greater mystery in human evolution than the origins of our sexuality. Following the trail of clues available researchers have independently concluded that humans evolved through systems of monogamy, polygamy, as well as polyamory. However, only one can be the culprit. Like a detective interrogating multiple suspects, the solution ultimately depends on which account you’re willing to believe.
First, there are many great "mysteries" (such as why we have 46 and not 48 chromosomes, the role of multiple species in our ancestry, and why our ancestors chose to walk upright, just for a start). Secondly, and more importantly, the idea that our backgrounds require "only one" path (for any given parameter) is a wrong way to look at evolution - genetics is leading us to believe our ancestry is quite mixed up.
Nevertheless, it is good to read something other than a "3000 years ago" viewpoint on why we humans do what we do, wrt sex.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:52:01pm |
re: #59 marjoriemoon
That happens to be in every driving manual in the U.S.
Well, yes. But how many people actually read the damned things anymore?
I looked at him and told him to think real hard about why cops wouldn't like a driver deliberately plugging their ears and blotting out all the sounds around them. I don't think he ever quite got it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:52:25pm |
re: #62 marjoriemoon
Wait, they had headphones before the 80's? How could you even fit them in the car, then?
/
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:52:51pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
Are you going to justify your saying that I don't care about Israel? Because if not, I would ask you to retract the statement.
I don't think you care about anything but your party. You've never demonstrated any compelling reason to believe that Israel means anything to you personally, and while I don't think you harbor any antipathy towards the nation I think you reflexively, like many conservatives, wield it like a tool against the political opposition. Like I said, a MacGuffin.
You're flexible and inconsistent in general except with regards to party loyalty and this gives me great reason to doubt your sincerity and integrity. You said that Romney's dishonest ads would prevent you from voting for him in the primary but now you're back to saying you'll vote for him, because your viable options turned out to be less than viable. You said that if you'd been in charge that you would have lied to Pat Tillman's family until continued opposition to that position forced a retraction. No consistency, no integrity, no demonstrable independent sense of self or honor, just obedience to party and the expediency of the moment.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:54:17pm |
re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth
Wait, they had headphones before the 80's? How could you even fit them in the car, then?
/
You plugged them in the 8-track player.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:55:04pm |
re: #64 Lidane
Well, yes. But how many people actually read the damned things anymore?
I looked at him and told him to think real hard about why cops wouldn't like a driver deliberately plugging their ears and blotting out all the sounds around them. I don't think he ever quite got it.
Is it illegal to drive while deaf, then? If I'm blind I can still get a hunting license in Texas.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:58:42pm |
re: #68 negativ
Is it illegal to drive while deaf, then? If I'm blind I can still get a hunting license in Texas.
The deaf can drive if they can hear sirens, horns, train whistles, etc. You can be legally deaf without being totally without hearing. But if you have something in your ears, meaning you're listening to music/audio, you can't hear those things.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:00:22pm |
re: #68 negativ
Is it illegal to drive while deaf, then? If I'm blind I can still get a hunting license in Texas.
You know, I don't know the answer to that. I think they can.
From what I understand, the issue with headphones/earbuds is that not only are you blocking the sounds around you, but you're distracted by the sounds you're listening to as well.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:00:30pm |
Ta-Nehisi Coates @tanehisi
Lot of tweets claiming Ron Paul voted for MLK Day. From newsletter, "It sure burns me to have a national holiday for Martin Luther King."
Ron Paul: "Nay" [Link: www.govtrack.us...]
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:00:55pm |
re: #64 Lidane
Well, yes. But how many people actually read the damned things anymore?
I looked at him and told him to think real hard about why cops wouldn't like a driver deliberately plugging their ears and blotting out all the sounds around them. I don't think he ever quite got it.
Yea, but you still have to read the manual to pass the test though, no?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:01:30pm |
re: #69 marjoriemoon
Okay, so if I'm deaf, and missing several fingers, can I get a job as an interpreter for the deaf? And if not, can I sue for discrimination against the disabled?
///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:03:27pm |
re: #70 Lidane
I don't even like wearing them around the house. I don't like that kind of sensory disconnect from my environment.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:05:07pm |
re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth
Okay, so if I'm deaf, and missing several fingers, can I get a job as an interpreter for the deaf? And if not, can I sue for discrimination against the disabled?
///
There's a lawyer out there for everyone :)
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:09:04pm |
re: #51 Lidane
Answering my own question, yes they did. Apparently, Huntsman told Romney that he doesn't understand the situation in China:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:09:19pm |
re: #72 marjoriemoon
I took my first drivers test in '89. That's the last time I studied the manual. When the laws for license renewal changed here in CA, I had to take the written test again in '07. 18 years without even looking at that manual, and I aced the test, 100%.
Now, ask me to remember the names of three people I met for the first time today. Hint: I won't be able to.
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kirkspencer Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:09:33pm |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
Speaking of...
I was listening to Mark Levin's show last night on my beer run. According to him, laws that prohibit holding a cell phone to your ear or a burger to your face while driving are an invasion of privacy, and yet another example of our freedoms and libertys being taken away from us. He was not joking.
I have had more close calls while on my motorcycle from these idiots than anything else. I have become fully supportive of the total ban.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:09:41pm |
re: #66 goddamnedfrank
You'd be wrong about me when it comes to Israel. Not only have some of my best friends and colleagues held dual US/Israeli citizenship, but I also see Israel as a genuinely loyal and decent ally. And I never betray those who are genuinely loyal, and on that point I will never retreat. No Frank, were the Republican party to abandon Israel, I would abandon the Republican Party.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:13:21pm |
re: #76 Lidane
Answering my own question, yes they did. Apparently, Huntsman told Romney that he doesn't understand the situation in China:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Clever, but it won't win him many votes. It will play well in China, though, if it is broadcast there.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:13:58pm |
re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth
I took my first drivers test in '89. That's the last time I studied the manual. When the laws for license renewal changed here in CA, I had to take the written test again in '07. 18 years without even looking at that manual, and I aced the test, 100%.
Now, ask me to remember the names of three people I met for the first time today. Hint: I won't be able to.
hehe I can't remember the last time I took a written test. Probably in highschool in the 70s. They don't require it here for some reason (FL).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:14:28pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:15:15pm |
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:15:55pm |
re: #78 kirkspencer
I have had more close calls while on my motorcycle from these idiots than anything else. I have become fully supportive of the total ban.
Remember when lighting a cig in the car was a huge deal?
Driving a motorcycle makes you a far better car driver.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:16:05pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
Clever, but it won't win him many votes. It will play well in China, though, if it is broadcast there.
Of course it won't win him votes. The only decent candidate in that entire slate of fail, and the GOP are ignoring him completely.
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aagcobb Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:16:22pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
Clever, but it won't win him many votes. It will play well in China, though, if it is broadcast there.
How many delegates does China get at the GOP primary?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:18:33pm |
re: #86 aagcobb
How many delegates does China get at the GOP primary?
None, but given that they do underwrite a substantial (though often exaggerated) portion of our nation debt you'd think they'd at least get a couple of super-delegates.
/kidding
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:19:07pm |
The IDiots are now sending out press releases (published here by the WSJ "MarketWatch" web site) trying to help Santorum:
Most Americans Support Santorum Amendment's Approach to Teaching Evolution
With his near-win in Iowa and his recent rise in the polls, Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum is facing new scrutiny about his views on intelligent design and evolution. Reporters and others have expressed particular interest in the so-called "Santorum Amendment" authored by Senator Santorum, which was adopted in revised form in the Conference Report of the landmark No Child Left Behind Act.
The Santorum Amendment won overwhelming bipartisan support in the United States Senate. In fact, Sen. Ted Kennedy enthusiastically endorsed the Amendment on the Senate floor. Others voting in favor of the Amendment included Sen. Hillary Clinton, Sen. Joe Biden, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Harry Reid, Senator John McCain, and Senator Sam Brownback. (See Congressional Record, June 13, 2001, p. S6153.)
The Santorum Amendment did not mandate teaching intelligent design, nor did it encourage teaching creationism or religion in the classroom. Instead, it encouraged open discussion and inquiry by teachers and students of the evidence both for and against controversial scientific theories such as Darwin's theory of evolution.
[...]
Spin, spin, spin.
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aagcobb Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:19:15pm |
re: #32 darthstar
Obama won...again.
Perry had another brilliant debate moment when he stated he wanted to send our troops back into Iraq. Yes, he really did.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:20:02pm |
I can't believe that Bioware stole one of their own storylines and reused it in TOR...
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Kragar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:20:11pm |
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:20:42pm |
re: #90 JasonA
I can't believe that Bioware stole one of their own storylines and reused it in TOR...
Which one?
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:21:41pm |
re: #93 JasonA
Inquisitor.
Was it a KOTOR storyline or something? It's been a while since I played those games.
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aagcobb Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:22:19pm |
Here's an interesting question. We know how much the GOP candidates love talking about Reagan. Have any of the candidates mentioned the last GOP President in any of the debates? Even once?
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:22:40pm |
re: #94 Lidane
Was it a KOTOR storyline or something? It's been a while since I played those games.
Dragon Age, actually. Did you play that one?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:22:41pm |
re: #90 JasonA
I can't believe that Bioware stole one of their own storylines and reused it in TOR...
Bioware has been recycling crap since the 90's. Believe it.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:24:48pm |
re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth
Bioware has been recycling crap since the 90's. Believe it.
But this is so blatant, and from a game that's so recent. I'm surprised they did that.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:25:39pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
You'd be wrong about me when it comes to Israel. Not only have some of my best friends and colleagues held dual US/Israeli citizenship, but I also see Israel as a genuinely loyal and decent ally. And I never betray those who are genuinely loyal, and on that point I will never retreat. No Frank, were the Republican party to abandon Israel, I would abandon the Republican Party.
Fine. It seems somewhat strange that that's your line in the sand. Some of your best friends and colleagues are probably also gay. However the extreme homophobia demonstrated by the majority of your party and candidates doesn't seem to phase you at all. In fact, until recently you've felt quite comfortable vocally opposing gay marriage and adoption yourself, along with the repeal of DADT. The party fawns over one group and demonizes the other, and the only logical connection between both behaviors is an interpretation of religious mandate.
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Robert O. Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:25:48pm |
re: #27 Charles
Huntsman must be nuts if he thinks the GOP base is going to respond favorably to him speaking Mandarin Chinese.
Or we can respond to Jon Huntsman and the GOP in Chinese:
奥巴马为连任美国总统2012!
(Ào bā mǎ wèi liánrèn měiguó zǒngtǒng Èr Líng Yī Èr!)
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:25:52pm |
re: #96 JasonA
Dragon Age, actually. Did you play that one?
I've got a copy of it and have been threatening to finish it for ages. I created a Human Rogue and went through some of the early bits, but school pretty much meant that it went on the back burner. Now, TOR dominates my game time.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:25:53pm |
re: #95 aagcobb
Here's an interesting question. We know how much the GOP candidates love talking about Reagan. Have any of the candidates mentioned the last GOP President in any of the debates? Even once?
Good point! But didn't Dubya turn into a liberal somewhere along the way?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:26:34pm |
re: #88 freetoken
"Instead, it encouraged open discussion and inquiry by teachers and students of the evidence both for and against controversial scientific theories such as Darwin's theory of evolution."
So gawt-damned controversial that it has been strengthened and confirmed by nearly every field of science for fifteen decades now. By those standards, computer science should be considered nothing more than the skylarkings of science fiction writers.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:27:22pm |
re: #95 aagcobb
Here's an interesting question. We know how much the GOP candidates love talking about Reagan. Have any of the candidates mentioned the last GOP President in any of the debates? Even once?
Yes, actually. The moderators in the first CNN debate brought up AIDS fighting funds for Africa, which Rick Santorum strongly supported and said he had been proud to stand with George W. Bush on that issue. Ron Paul attacked him of course, because in Paulian Bizzaro World all foreign aid is "EEVILL!!1".
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:27:38pm |
re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth
So gawt-damned controversial that it has been strengthened and confirmed by nearly every field of science for fifteen decades now. By those standards, computer science should be considered nothing more than the skylarkings of science fiction writers.
To the people who think the world is 6000 years old because a Bronze Age book told them so, it's controversial.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:28:55pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:29:50pm |
re: #105 Lidane
To the people who think the world is 6000 years old because a Bronze Age book told them so, it's controversial.
True. So is the idea of a secular gov't, even though we've been living with one that was set up that way over 200 years ago.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:31:35pm |
re: #99 goddamnedfrank
In fact, until recently you've felt quite comfortable vocally opposing gay marriage and adoption yourself, along with the repeal of DADT.
Conservatives speak out of both sides of their mouths.
I don't know who they think they are kidding with their sudden supposed support of anything having to do with ANYONE's civil rights, let alone The Queers.
Civil rights is the devil to them -- always has been, they will always be the ones fighting and voting against it.
Fucking liars.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:32:36pm |
re: #108 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
My support is not "sudden". Just sayin'.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:32:39pm |
re: #88 freetoken
The Santorum Amendment did not mandate teaching intelligent design, nor did it encourage teaching creationism or religion in the classroom. Instead, it encouraged open discussion and inquiry by teachers and students of the evidence both for and against controversial scientific theories such as Darwin's theory of evolution.
What crap.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:32:47pm |
re: #105 Lidane
To the people who think the world is 6000 years old because a Bronze Age book told them so, it's controversial.
Technically, it's an Iron Age book which has reworked stories from Bronze Age myths.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:33:19pm |
re: #104 Dark_Falcon
Yes, actually. The moderators in the first CNN debate brought up AIDS fighting funds for Africa, which Rick Santorum strongly supported and said he had been proud to stand with George W. Bush on that issue. Ron Paul attacked him of course, because in Paulian Bizzaro World all foreign aid is "EEVILL!!1".
I remember that... I think he referred to Africa as a country.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:33:43pm |
re: #99 goddamnedfrank
Does there need to be a connection? They've never been linked in my mind. But until 2010 I saw gay marriage as a threat to traditional marriage. I no longer hold that view, but it was reached without any regard towards Israel and the Middle East at all. Nor does my belief that Israel has a right to exist find any basis in Revelations, as it does for some evangelicals.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:33:46pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:34:24pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
But until 2010 I saw gay marriage as a threat to traditional marriage.
Dumb, ignorant, and stupid.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:35:39pm |
re: #112 marjoriemoon
I remember that... I think he referred to Africa as a country.
He slipped a bit in his wording, but on that particular matter Rick Santorum was supporting the right policy for the right reasons. When that is true, I will forgive a minor slip in wording.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:37:17pm |
re: #111 freetoken
Technically, it's an Iron Age book which has reworked stories from Bronze Age myths.
Ah, true. Good point.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:37:25pm |
re: #115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Live and learn, what can I say? It took me time to figure out I was wrong.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:37:49pm |
Open Access is a movement that has been a long time coming, but politics as usual in Congress want's to put an end to it:
Congress Considers Paywalling Science You Already Paid For
It's a story of Publishers buying Congress-critters to protect their business.
BAU in American politics.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:38:08pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:39:57pm |
re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth
No, just people similar to me.
That's just OCSP, Behemoth. She will never approve of anything conservative, ever.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:40:37pm |
re: #118 Dark_Falcon
Live and learn, what can I say? It took me time to figure out I was wrong.
Please, you'll be voting for second-class citizenship of lgbts in November.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:40:44pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
That's just OCSP, Behemoth. She will never approve of anything conservative, ever.
I'm not sure I am willing to believe that just yet.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:41:11pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
That's just OCSP, Behemoth. She will never approve of anything conservative, ever.
Conservatism does not need my approval, move past it.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:41:36pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
That's just OCSP, Behemoth. She will never approve of anything conservative, ever.
She has a crush on Sarah Palin (?)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:42:17pm |
re: #125 marjoriemoon
She has a crush on Sarah Palin (?)
That's just further proof that Sarah is not a conservative. :P
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:42:20pm |
re: #95 aagcobb
Here's an interesting question. We know how much the GOP candidates love talking about Reagan. Have any of the candidates mentioned the last GOP President in any of the debates? Even once?
They didn't even discuss him during the last RNC. Bush was essentially wiped from discussion about three months out of the end of his term.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:43:17pm |
re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth
No, just people similar to me.
Based on all the posts you've made that I've seen, I wouldn't peg you as "similar" to the modern incarnation of "conservative" at all. The modern incarnation of conservative is anti-gay, anti-reproductive rights, anti-worker's rights, anti-environment, anti-science, anti-religious-freedom-for-anyone-but-the-right-kind-of-Christian, pro-pollution, pro-child labor, and pro a return to the gilded age*.
*Should anyone dare accuse me of hyperbole, I need only refer you to the GOP debates!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:43:44pm |
re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth
No, just people similar to me.
You and people similar to you are not victims of anything said.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:44:00pm |
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:47:01pm |
The reason Joe Farah and his compatriots can sell snake-oil so easily is because half the populace is below the median in smarts.
That is also the strategy behind statements such as:
This injector simultaneously blasts methane preheated to 600°C, and coal, into a gasification reactor, thereby enabling CO2-free production of synthetic fuel.
... in a caption at the last link I provided.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:47:15pm |
re: #128 publicityStunted
*Should anyone dare accuse me of hyperbole, I need only refer you to the GOP debates!
The GOP is just yet again showing the same old true colors they have been showing the rest of us for decades. Why the behavior of their constituents, online and offline, is coming as such a shock to anyone, I'll never know.
If SB is set on overidentifying with the word "conservative" that's his issue, though. Can't be helped.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:48:08pm |
re: #129 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You and people similar to you are not victims of anything said.
Odd choice of a noun, there. Does a person taking minor issue with something said make them a victim by default?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:48:42pm |
re: #129 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You and people similar to you are not victims of anything said.
There you go again. [shakes head sadly]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:49:17pm |
re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth
Odd choice of a noun, there. Does a person taking minor issue with something said make them a victim by default?
I just said it doesn't.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:49:41pm |
re: #130 freetoken
We are doomed:
Cleaner, Cheaper Liquid Fuel from Coal
"Cleaner" is just green-washing.
Explain.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:51:10pm |
re: #134 Dark_Falcon
There you go again. [shakes head sadly]
Lol if Rick Perry is on the ticket, you will vote for it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:52:46pm |
re: #137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol if Rick Perry is on the ticket, you will vote for it.
Hell, if Rick Santorum is on the ticket, you will vote for it.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:52:57pm |
re: #136 Dark_Falcon
Explain.
First you have to mine the coal and extract the natural gas, and these processes emit plenty of CO2 (as well as having other nasty side effects.)
Secondly, increasing liquid hydro-carbon use alone makes the economy more dependent upon liquid hydro-carbon, both in the near and far term, which means that even more carbon has be dug/drilled. Repeat ad naseum.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:53:37pm |
re: #135 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I just said it doesn't.
But you seemed to imply that if I identify as conservative, and take issue with the way you generalize conservatives, I am playing the role of the victim.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:54:37pm |
Speaking of energy and lies, has anyone (besides Obama re-election operatives) read all of Mitt Romney's 160 page PDF:
[Link: mittromney.com...]
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:55:33pm |
re: #131 freetoken
The reason Joe Farah and his compatriots can sell snake-oil so easily is because half the populace is below the median in smarts.
Though I don't think you were being literal, I still feel compelled to point out there's a difference between low IQ and aggressively, maliciously, willfully stupid. The former can be tricked or goaded into doing the right thing, while the latter are beyond any hope of redemption.
And on that note, I predict with 90% certainty the human race will be extinct in 200 years (if not sooner). All it takes is passing the SO2 tipping point, thus making the air unfit to breathe - correct?
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:55:42pm |
re: #137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol if Rick Perry is on the ticket, you will vote for it.
If I could make a sock puppet, it would be:
OhCrapIThinkIHaveACrushOnRickPerry.
For realz :p He is one good lookin feller. I'd ditch the side part, though.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:55:45pm |
re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth
But you seemed to imply that if I identify as conservative, and take issue with the way you generalize conservatives, I am playing the role of the victim.
Conservatives, in general, are not oppressed by me, in any way.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:56:49pm |
re: #143 marjoriemoon
If I could make a sock puppet, it would be:
OhCrapIThinkIHaveACrushOnRickPerry.
For realz :p He is one good lookin feller. I'd ditch the side part, though.
I do like the dark hair/dark eyes look. But! Give me Jon Huntsman over any of them.
He is hot, salt and pepper, and gorgeous!!
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:57:03pm |
re: #122 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Please, you'll be voting for second-class citizenship of lgbts in November.
Exactly. This really can't be emphasized enough.
I don't know why you down-dinged this Dark, it's spot on. Right now, with your plans to support Romney you're tacitly condoning and supporting his plans to make gays second class citizens through a federal marriage amendment. You may not particularly like this fact, but you should come to terms with it before casting that ballot.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:00:19pm |
re: #142 publicityStunted
Though I don't think you were being literal, I still feel compelled to point out there's a difference between low IQ and aggressively, maliciously, willfully stupid. The former can be tricked or goaded into doing the right thing, while the latter are beyond any hope of redemption.
And on that note, I predict with 90% certainty the human race will be extinct in 200 years (if not sooner). All it takes is passing the SO2 tipping point, thus making the air unfit to breathe - correct?
I definitely agree with you, but as to the specific point, I don't think people know much about fuel and less about coal. "Clean coal you say? Well, that sounds dandy!"
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:00:45pm |
re: #146 goddamnedfrank
Exactly. This really can't be emphasized enough.
I don't know why you down-dinged this Dark, it's spot on. Right now, with your plans to support Romney you're tacitly condoning and supporting his plans to make gays second class citizens through a federal marriage amendment. You may not particularly like this fact, but you should come to terms with it before casting that ballot.
And also supporting the most radical elements in the GOP, just by voting for people with an (R) after their name. That's what keeps empowering these nutjobs. It's the people who will support the party no matter what.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:01:25pm |
re: #128 publicityStunted
Based on all the posts you've made that I've seen, I wouldn't peg you as "similar" to the modern incarnation of "conservatives" at all. The modern incarnation of conservative is anti-gay, anti-reproductive rights, anti-worker's rights, anti-environment, anti-science, anti-religious-freedom-for-anyone-but-the-right-kind-of-Christian, pro-pollution, pro-child labor, and pro a return to the gilded age*.
*Should anyone dare accuse me of hyperbole, I need only refer you to the GOP debates!
There ought to be a new word adopted, rather than attempting to reclaim "conservative". People calling themselves conservative today are actually pushing an agenda that is extremely radical. But the damage is done -- a "conservative" in today's terms is one who subscribes to an authoritarian, anti-intellectual, Christianist plutocratic ideology. I don't really care for left-wing/right-wing either. I'd rather do away with labels altogether and just argue about whether an idea is good or not. People do like their tribalism, though, and it's all too useful to politicians and kingmakers. As usual, I have no useful answers or suggestions and should probably be put away.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:01:54pm |
re: #144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Conservatives, in general, are not oppressed by me, in any way.
I never said they were.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:03:16pm |
re: #146 goddamnedfrank
Exactly. This really can't be emphasized enough.
I don't know why you down-dinged this Dark, it's spot on. Right now, with your plans to support Romney you're tacitly condoning and supporting his plans to make gays second class citizens through a federal marriage amendment. You may not particularly like this fact, but you should come to terms with it before casting that ballot.
You're talking to a person who thinks Arabs should be eliminated from immigration, Rick Perry might be someone to vote for, expresses a visceral fear/loathing of blacks committing the same crime as whites, just recently "discovered" the queers are no threat to him, and yet constantly brays and whinnies about my personal lack of enthusiasm for supremacist policies and ideologies that intend on second-classing my person.
I really hope you don't think this person uses logic and reason to reach any of his political conclusions.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:03:20pm |
re: #146 goddamnedfrank
Right now, with your plans to support Romney Obama you're tacitly condoning and supporting his plans to make gays second class citizens through a federal marriage amendment allow the indefinite detention of US citizens, Give tax payer money to the 1%bankers, censor the internet and show trials for whistle blowing patriots like Bradley Manning. You may not particularly like this fact, but you should come to terms with it before casting that ballot.
/
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:03:51pm |
re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth
I never said they were.
Then you should have no issues with anything I have said. Why do you?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:04:10pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:05:37pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:05:37pm |
re: #154 Dark_Falcon
Nor did I.
You don't need my validation. Stop whining that you're not getting it.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:05:56pm |
re: #152 Killgore Trout
If the GOP had anything close to a credible alternative, Obama might be in trouble.
However, at this point, he might as well keep the keys for four more years, since the Republicans are determined to fail by every possible standard this year.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:07:07pm |
re: #142 publicityStunted
Though I don't think you were being literal, I still feel compelled to point out there's a difference between low IQ and aggressively, maliciously, willfully stupid. ...
I intentionally did not write "IQ".
And as far as SO2: Don't know, but I have not found a near-term extinction scenario that has made any sense to me (yet.) The oceans turn over slowly, and the release of sulfur dioxide is something that would be linked to temperature change in the ocean - water at an air boundary dissolves gases in proportion to the partial pressure of said gasses - and at the water-atmosphere boundary an equilibrium is reached between the water and the atmosphere for each gas.
As the ocean water warms it can hold less gas (total) and will exhale gases (at the boundary) relative to the gas proportions.
However, the water of the oceans is stratified, very strongly in some locations. This means the abyss doesn't mix with the upper layers very much. While the abyss today is not anoxic (though it can be close) there is always the potential for it to become so in the future, and that sulfur using bacteria will once again dominate the planet. In that case then we (all the multicellular animals that are oxygen breathers) really will become extinct.
However, that is a worst case scenario, and I've not seen it proposed as anything that is likely to happen (in our civilization's lifetime, anyway.) The people who raise this worst case scenario really ought to make it clear that it is the worst case scenario and that it is not predicted by any of the accepted Earth System models.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:07:08pm |
re: #157 Lidane
If the GOP had anything close to a credible alternative, Obama might be in trouble.
However, at this point, he might as well keep the keys for four more years, since the Republicans are determined to fail by every possible standard this year.
Mitt Romney is the best they have...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:08:05pm |
re: #153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Then you should have no issues with anything I have said. Why do you?
"You don't need my validation. Stop whining that you're not getting it."
Seriously, though. If you don't like it when people take minor issue with your sweeping generalizations, you should stop making them.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:08:07pm |
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:08:39pm |
re: #159 JasonA
Mitt Romney is the best they have...
Which doesn't say much for the quality of their candidates.
Of course, the Dems are going to face a vacuum of their own in 2016. I can't think of anyone who could run a credible campaign once Obama leaves office.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:09:47pm |
re: #151 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I really hope you don't think this person uses logic and reason to reach any of his political conclusions.
No, not really, but D_F is by far the most conversational conservative we have. He at least will sometimes go though the motions of having a dialog with some semblance of earnestness.
P.S. I like you, you're like a claw hammer at a cotillion.
re: #152 Killgore Trout
Thanks for casting Goodberry, Druid. Mmmm tasty!
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Mattand Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:10:00pm |
re: #152 Killgore Trout
Right now, with your plans to support
RomneyObama you're tacitly condoning and supporting his plans tomake gays second class citizens through a federal marriage amendmentallow the indefinite detention of US citizens, Give tax payer money to the 1%bankers, censor the internet and show trials for whistle blowing patriots like Bradley Manning. You may not particularly like this fact, but you should come to terms with it before casting that ballot.
/
By voting Republican, you get all this as well as institutional homophobia/bigotry and the insane belief that cutting taxes for the rich will fix the economy.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:12:24pm |
re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
"You don't need my validation. Stop whining that you're not getting it."
Seriously, though. If you don't like it when people take minor issue with your sweeping generalizations, you should stop making them.
Take issue with the things I say about conservatism, or don't, Slumbering Behemoth. Major issue, minor issue, I'm not interested in the butthurt act.
This goes without saying, but you already know that, by now.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:12:50pm |
re: #164 mattand
By voting Republican, you get all this as well as institutional homophobia/bigotry and the insane belief that cutting taxes for the rich will fix the economy.
Also, institutional misogyny in the form of personhood laws and the "pro-life" movement.
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Mattand Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:13:57pm |
re: #166 Lidane
Also, institutional misogyny in the form of personhood laws and the "pro-life" movement.
Christ, I can't believe I forgot that one. The current GOP House has spent more time on that issue than actually fixing the economy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:14:00pm |
re: #165 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'm not interested in the butthurt act.
Could have fooled me. You pull it out every time someone even slightly criticizes what you have to say.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:14:19pm |
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:15:45pm |
re: #167 mattand
Christ, I can't believe I forgot that one. The current GOP House has spent more time on that issue than actually fixing the economy.
Well gee, when well over 90% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions, something really has to be done...
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:15:46pm |
re: #162 Lidane
Which doesn't say much for the quality of their candidates.
Of course, the Dems are going to face a vacuum of their own in 2016. I can't think of anyone who could run a credible campaign once Obama leaves office.
Hillary will run in 2016.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:16:43pm |
re: #163 goddamnedfrank
No, not really, but D_F is by far the most conversational conservative we have. He at least will sometimes go though the motions of having a dialog with some semblance of earnestness.
P.S. I like you, you're like a claw hammer at a cotillion.
Nah lol I'm just perpetually amused at the cognitive dissonance among certain types of conservatives.
They will smile in your face, then vote for people who will gut you like a fish, in a hot minute.
Then wonder why you don't find their lifestyle appealing, or something to emulate. That's the clawhammer.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:16:53pm |
re: #171 marjoriemoon
Hillary will run in 2016.
All depends on how much energy she still has left. She'll be 68.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:17:57pm |
re: #173 JasonA
All depends on how much energy she still has left. She'll be 68.
But the talking heads have spoken!
/
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:18:21pm |
re: #168 Slumbering Behemoth
Could have fooled me. You pull it out every time someone even slightly criticizes what you have to say.
Now you're just lying.
Were that true, I would not have been a daily regular at LGF for the past year.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:19:01pm |
re: #158 freetoken
However, that is a worst case scenario, and I've not seen it proposed as anything that is likely to happen (in our civilization's lifetime, anyway.) The people who raise this worst case scenario really ought to make it clear that it is the worst case scenario and that it is not predicted by any of the accepted Earth System models.
LVQ certainly makes it sound like something that could happen soon enough. And can we even call it the "worse-case" scenario? It happened once before (Permian) and the earth bounced back (eventually). The true worse-case scenario is James Hansen's Earth-goes-full-Venus. That's the only one I can't bring myself to believe, because I want to console myself with the knowledge that, even though humans are dumb enough to kill off themselves and 95% percent of other species, someday a smarter or better life form might take our place. :/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:19:19pm |
re: #172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Nah lol I'm just perpetually amused at the cognitive dissonance among certain types of conservatives.
That wasn't so hard, was it?
:P
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:20:11pm |
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:21:06pm |
Ah, the Republic of Jesustan.
CVS Refuses To Sell Texas Man Emergency Contraception For His Wife, Suggests He’s A Rapist
the overnight pharmacist, Minni Matthew, told Melbourne she wasn’t going to sell it to him.
In order for him to buy the meds, the pharmacist said, she’d need to talk to and see the ID of his wife, who was at home with their two young children. He asked why, and she pointed to the fine print on the medication’s box, which says it can only be sold to someone age 17 or older. Melbourne pointed out that he was well over 17.
“I’ve bought this plenty of times in my life, and it’s never been a problem,” he said. “Are you telling me every other place I’ve bought it from has been wrong?”
Didn’t matter, Matthew said, since the medicine obviously wasn’t for him.
“Why don’t you show me the law that says you can’t sell this to a man?” Melbourne replied.
I really hope Minni needs to start looking for a new job soon.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:21:19pm |
re: #177 Slumbering Behemoth
That wasn't so hard, was it?
:P
Oh, I know. It's SO DIFFICULT to be a conservative-identified person and hear about conservatism's effect on everyone else in its path from someone on the internet.
/boohoo!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:24:48pm |
re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth
No, I really wasn't.
Actually, you are.
The day I or anyone else ever moves to second-class conservatives -- let alone on the level that EVERY GOP candidate has expressed that intent -- you guys will finally have something to gripe about. It's never happened, and it's not happening now, just because someone in LGF comments made a throwaway comment that upset you because it had the word "conservative" in it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:25:39pm |
re: #179 JasonA
Ah, the Republic of Jesustan.
CVS Refuses To Sell Texas Man Emergency Contraception For His Wife, Suggests He’s A Rapist
I really hope Minni needs to start looking for a new job soon.
I have to suggest that if this man has actually bought emergency contraception for his wife 'plenty of times', they may want to try another form of birth control.
Not that this makes it acceptable not to sell it to him, but honestly, how many condoms does this couple break on an annual basis.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:25:43pm |
re: #168 Slumbering Behemoth
Could have fooled me. You pull it out every time someone even slightly criticizes what you have to say.
It's basically prejudice. Take an already held belief that "conservatives are X" then apply it to every post that disagrees with you. Ignore all facts that conflict with this strategy. Repeat with increasing hostility. That's how OCSP rolls.
PS: OCSP will likely disagree with this analysis. She is welcome to her opinion. I do not need her validation, nor do I seek it.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:26:51pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to suggest that if this man has actually bought emergency contraception for his wife 'plenty of times', they may want to try another form of birth control.
Not that this makes it acceptable not to sell it to him, but honestly, how many condoms does this couple break on an annual basis.
They like it rough?
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Ben G. Hazi Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:27:19pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to suggest that if this man has actually bought emergency contraception for his wife 'plenty of times', they may want to try another form of birth control.
Not that this makes it acceptable not to sell it to him, but honestly, how many condoms does this couple break on an annual basis.
Maybe they like the rough stuff...
;-P
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:27:57pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to suggest that if this man has actually bought emergency contraception for his wife 'plenty of times', they may want to try another form of birth control.
Not that this makes it acceptable not to sell it to him, but honestly, how many condoms does this couple break on an annual basis.
They should both go in and have a little talk with her OB-GYN.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:28:04pm |
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:28:39pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
This is TMI, but I can also personally attest to *ahem* losing one or two...
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:29:39pm |
re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist
If they like it that rough, the pill might be the way to go, or a diaphragm...just saying.
Or he could just get a vasectomy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:30:50pm |
re: #189 JasonA
This is TMI, but I can also personally attest to *ahem* losing one or two...
I once had one completely shred, which led to my own personal experience of emergency birth control, but once you get to 'plenty' of times, I sort of have to wonder if you're putting the damn things on correctly.
Not that this is any of my business, or in any way related to whether this poor man should be able to buy Plan B at the CVS.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:31:05pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:31:19pm |
re: #183 Dark_Falcon
I do not need her validation, nor do I seek it.
Yet, you complain about not getting it, week in and week out.
For many years, I have found it totally fascinating how conservatives demand respect and validation from the very people you seek to suppress, via your votes candidates that appeal to raw hate and bigotry.
And let's not forget the point goddamnfrank was making that spawned this discussion in the first place: you'll vote for such a candidate if it's on the ticket.
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What, me worry? Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:31:24pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:32:06pm |
re: #180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh, I know. It's SO DIFFICULT to be a conservative-identified person and hear about conservatism's effect on everyone else in its path from someone on the internet.
re: #108 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Conservatives speak out of both sides of their mouths
An effect, or a sweeping generalization?
I don't know who they think they are kidding with their sudden supposed support of anything having to do with ANYONE's civil rights, let alone The Queers.
An effect, or a sweeping generalization?
Civil rights is the devil to them -- always has been, they will always be the ones fighting and voting against it.
An effect, or a sweeping generalization?
You're the one lying if you persist in claiming those are anything but sweeping generalizations.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:33:14pm |
re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist
They might want more kids down the line.
Then she should get Depo-Provera or something similar. A simple doctor appointment for an injection every few months and voila! Problem solved.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:34:17pm |
It's kind of like having your steering fail regularly, and instead of getting a good fix, you just find a jerry-rigged solution that sort of allows you to steer.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:35:24pm |
re: #181 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Actually, you are.
The day I or anyone else ever moves to second-class conservatives -- let alone on the level that EVERY GOP candidate has expressed that intent -- you guys will finally have something to gripe about. It's never happened, and it's not happening now, just because someone in LGF comments made a throwaway comment that upset you because it had the word "conservative" in it.
Goal posts always on the run.
And your insistence that people must either be upset or butthurt when they call you on something is theater style projection.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:39:29pm |
re: #176 publicityStunted
LVQ certainly makes it sound like something that could happen soon enough.
But even he doesn't give a timeline... because one can't be given.
The only way to radically change our atmosphere from being 21% oxygen and very minor trace amounts of sulfur dioxide to one where sulfur dioxide concentration increases enough to extinguished multi-cellular land animals is to set up a condition where microbial life proportions on this planet change significantly. While I'm not claiming it is impossible for that to happen, given that during the past 500 million years the current regime (of oxygen exhaling cyano-bacteria and their descendants are symbiotic with us oxygen breathers) has kept the sulfur dioxide concentration more or less in check I'd say the onus is on those who propose this scenario to show how it exactly will be accomplished.
As for the Venus scenario - unlikely too (in the near term.) That the Earth is a "water planet" in astronomical terms keeps a run-away from happening at our current level of radiation from the sun. Though some attache Dr. Hansen's name to this scenario, when he brings it up it is more metaphor than literal. That is, runaway scenarios are possible but the end result isn't really a Venus, just a very hot Earth. Eventually, as the sun continues to expand and the flow of energy to the Earth increases (about .8% every 100 million years) the Earth will fall on the inside of the habitable zone and the Earth will indeed cook on high, but that is too far in the future for me to worry.
Climate change is serious because it will directly and indirectly affect our food supply, and on a planet that is adding about a billion mouths every 20 years food will be fought over.
Encroachment of the sea will also affect entire nations, but that is a century-scale time event, unlike the food crisis which we'll see in our lifetimes.
The expansion of tropical diseases into new areas will also affect lives negatively, but timing that one will be tricky as it depends upon so many parameters.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:40:32pm |
re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth
re: #108 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
An effect, or a sweeping generalization?
An effect, or a sweeping generalization?
An effect, or a sweeping generalization?
You're the one lying if you persist in claiming those are anything but sweeping generalizations.
You've misunderstood "effect".
The "effect" is ending up with candidates like the current GOP field, looking to exploit a win from the conservative constituency.
Effect: Breitbart claims librulzz are posting at his site to make poor conservatives look bad.
Effect: Rick Santorum claims he said "blah"
Effect: Ron Paul is a Republican/conservative, not anything else
Effect: Fox Nation comments
Effect: Newt screams at the NAACP about The Blacks preferring food stamps to jobs
Effect: It's not liberals freaking out about mosques being built
Effect: Federal marriage amendment...traditional family values
Effect: conservatives are the ones voting in these things, not liberals. If they're not trusted, it's because of their track record.
Effect after effect after effect after effect.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:43:38pm |
re: #200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You've misunderstood "effect".
No. You clearly misunderstand the difference between "effect" and "sweeping generalization".
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freetoken Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:44:15pm |
So I checked that Romney booklet (his campaign manifesto, sort of)... and it looks like the energy portion was written by some Cato/Reason wonks. The give-away is the use of Spain in trashing "green" jobs and a reference to a very flawed study of Spanish efforts wrt some specific goals.
Misdirection after misdirection, along with some plain old lying - that is the Way of the Politician.
Mitt Romney is like tofu - it can take the flavor of anything with which it is mixed.
From now on I'm going to call him the Tofu Candidate.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:44:53pm |
re: #198 Slumbering Behemoth
Goal posts always on the run.
And your insistence that people must either be upset or butthurt when they call you on something is theater style projection.
What I find funny is your own insistence on taking it personally when I talk about the various reasons to distrust conservatim's lofty, come-to-Jesus rhetoric on these issues, particularly gay ones.
If it doesn't apply to you, there's no need to take offense.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:46:12pm |
re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth
No. You clearly misunderstand the difference between "effect" and "sweeping generalization".
You're intent on casting yourself as a poor-me victim of my supposed "sweeping generalizations".
Can't help you with that, Slumbering Behemoth. Sorry.
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sagehen Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:48:25pm |
re: #95 aagcobb
Here's an interesting question. We know how much the GOP candidates love talking about Reagan. Have any of the candidates mentioned the last GOP President in any of the debates? Even once?
Gosh... Democrats just can't talk about him enough. "You remember the last Republican president, don't you? Mr 23% approval rating? These guys are all just like him. Keep that in mind as you approach the polls."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:50:11pm |
re: #203 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What I find funny is your own insistence on taking it personally when I talk about the various reasons to distrust conservatim's lofty, come-to-Jesus rhetoric on these issues, particularly gay ones.
If it doesn't apply to you, there's no need to take offense.
Again, not about conservatism, but you're sweeping generalization of conservatives.
re: #108 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Conservatives speak out of both sides of their mouths.
I don't know who they think they are kidding with their sudden supposed support of anything having to do with ANYONE's civil rights, let alone The Queers.
Civil rights is the devil to them -- always has been, they will always be the ones fighting and voting against it.
Fucking liars.
But moving the goal posts to distract from you sweeping generalizations and completely muddy the original criticism is your forte.
None the less, congratulations on yet another successful trolling. You got me again. :P
Good night.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:53:02pm |
Where was the "I did not watch cause I hate the smell of vomit" choice?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 10:57:59pm |
re: #207 Slumbering Behemoth
"You got me again. "
Another conservative who thinks he is in some kind of intellectual contest with me.
Listen, friend. Antigay supression is part and parcel of social conservatism. It will be part and parcel of the GOP platform in 2012, because the GOP has nothing other than rather-legendarily-conservative social resentments to run on.
There are people here who are going to fall for that, and give it their vote. If you're not one of them, great. You shouldn't be; I never said you were one. No one with any sense should be.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:01:15pm |
re: #209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I remember a time when I found Conservatives to be intellectual realists. Of course that was many years ago. I was young, and the GOP had honest thinkers. Much has changed....
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Kragar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:03:02pm |
re: #204 Lidane
Best. Commercial. Ever. This is why I love Austin:
[Video]
While it certainly has its charms, I have to disagree with it being the best commercial ever, for one simple reason:
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:05:38pm |
re: #209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
And.... Social Conservatism was regulated to the small hole in politics they should be. Social Conservatism has no place in the 21st Century. At least as I see it being expressed. The GOP screams about the Dems wanting to tell folks how to live while completely ignoring what the Religious Right is doing....
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:07:28pm |
re: #210 boxhead
I remember a time when I found Conservatives to be intellectual realists. Of course that was many years ago. I was young, and the GOP had honest thinkers. Much has changed...
Well, I used to be one when I was young, too. There might be something salvageable from it if the people with some sense will get off their duffs and speak up about their predicament, but the conformist, thought-stopped nature of today's conservatism precludes that.
The laments from people like DF that I can't respect or find something to congratulate in a lifestyle that intends on second-classing my person are hilarious.
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sagehen Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:10:33pm |
re: #162 Lidane
Which doesn't say much for the quality of their candidates.
Of course, the Dems are going to face a vacuum of their own in 2016. I can't think of anyone who could run a credible campaign once Obama leaves office.
Andrew Cuomo
Brian Schweizer
Hillary Clinton
Elizabeth Warren
Christine Gregoire
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:11:41pm |
re: #212 boxhead
And... Social Conservatism was regulated to the small hole in politics they should be. Social Conservatism has no place in the 21st Century. At least as I see it being expressed. The GOP screams about the Dems wanting to tell folks how to live while completely ignoring what the Religious Right is doing...
Well, it was and it wasn't. Right now, it's front and center, because it's all the GOP has. That's their own doing, especially now that unemployment has gone down from 10.1% to 8.5% /Schadenfreude
I've said for many months that what we are seeing now, the gaybaiting, the anti-black baiting, the immigrant-baiting is going to be the norm for election year 2012. I think I'm going to be right.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:12:16pm |
re: #214 sagehen
Andrew Cuomo
Brian Schweizer
Hillary Clinton
Elizabeth Warren
Christine Gregoire
Our Governor here in MO, Jay Nixon, is quite good.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:14:18pm |
re: #213 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, I used to be one when I was young, too. There might be something salvageable from it if the people with some sense will get off their duffs and speak up about their predicament, but the conformist, thought-stopped nature of today's conservatism precludes that.
The laments from people like DF that I can't respect or find something to congratulate in a lifestyle that intends on second-classing my person are hilarious.
I agree.... like I said, the Conservatism I knew was one that embraced logic and rational thought. There is almost none of that left. And that is being generous. The worst thing is that I find fewer and fewer GOPers that are even willing to allow an opposing thought be entertained by their brain. I find myself wanting to smack them with a rather large fish...
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:15:50pm |
re: #215 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, it was and it wasn't. Right now, it's front and center, because it's all the GOP has. That's their own doing, especially now that unemployment has gone down from 10.1% to 8.5% /Schadenfreude
I've said for many months that what we are seeing now, the gaybaiting, the anti-black baiting, the immigrant-baiting is going to be the norm for election year 2012. I think I'm going to be right.
And it will be to the detriment of the Right. Obama is sure to win with the GOP beating that dead horse.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:15:54pm |
re: #217 boxhead
I find myself wanting to smack them with a rather large fish...
Fresh or saltwater variety?
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:18:01pm |
re: #218 boxhead
And it will be to the detriment of the Right. Obama is sure to win with the GOP beating that dead horse.
We Democrats are quite please at how the GOP debates have been proceeding. Carry on.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:18:22pm |
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:19:19pm |
re: #220 JasonA
We Democrats are quite please at how the GOP debates have been proceeding. Carry on.
yes... but I still would like real people run for POTUS.... We have a really bad reality show going.... :p
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:19:39pm |
re: #217 boxhead
They're just going on the fumes of resentments of losses from 60-150 years ago.
Seems that's the only thing that really drives them.
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sagehen Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:21:23pm |
re: #216 prairiefire
Our Governor here in MO, Jay Nixon, is quite good.
ooohh, and he's got that heartland thing going for him....
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:21:53pm |
re: #222 boxhead
yes... but I still would like real people run for POTUS... We have a really bad reality show going... :p
The only person on the stage who I think might make a good president is Jon Huntsman. Too bad no one in the Republican Party agrees with my assessment.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:24:32pm |
re: #222 boxhead
yes... but I still would like real people run for POTUS... We have a really bad reality show going... :p
Yeah, I agree with this.
Think of the irony - Romney wants, for instance, a federal marriage amendment against me, personally. But I hope he gets the nomination, because any of these other assholes, who think the same shyt, the incumbent will just mop the floor with them.
I'd like Obama to be in (and win :D) a real race, with a real turnout. I don't want a redux of '92 or other low turnout race. But that's kind of pie-in-the-sky thinking. We're gonna get whatever we get. A lot can happen between now and November.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:24:52pm |
re: #224 sagehen
ooohh, and he's got that heartland thing going for him...
Yeah, he wears a lot of checked printed short sleeved shirts. : )
It's an interesting thing to think about. Much can happen in 5 years. The new guessing game for Democrats!
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:27:28pm |
re: #223 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
They're just going on the fumes of resentments of losses from 60-150 years ago.
Seems that's the only thing that really drives them.
I think it is the corporations and rich folks that are pissed. They have been working VERY hard to get USA where it is today. And for the most part, they have succeeded. Much to the normal folks detriment.... Both Dems and GOPs are complicit in this crime. Reversing this will be difficult. OWS folks inherently know this, but struggle producing coherent words. Those that can speak are marginalized. What is left is a few folks posting on web sites like this trying to speak truth to the lies.
damn... here I go waxing pessimistically again...
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:33:28pm |
Of COURSE he didn't go to Mars. Michele Bachmann would have mentioned it:
White House Denies CIA Teleported Obama to Mars
Forget Kenya. Never mind the secret madrassas. The sinister, shocking truth about Barack Obama’s past lies not in east Africa, but in outer space. As a young man in the early 1980s, Obama was part of a secret CIA project to explore Mars. The future president teleported there, along with the future head of Darpa.
That’s the assertion, at least, of a pair of self-proclaimed time-traveling, universe-exploring government agents. Andrew D. Basiago and William Stillings insist that they once served as “chrononauts” at Darpa’s behest, traversing the boundaries of time and space. They swear: A youthful Barack Obama was one of them.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:34:50pm |
re: #225 JasonA
re: #226 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Until we can get an Amendment passed that mandates public funding for Federal elections, we will continue to have shenanigans surrounding our elections. Romney may only spew the tripe he is because that is the only way to get the GOP nod. But we don't know. Huntsman appears to be the only GOP candidate with any integrity and brains. But because of that, has no chance. USA Founders were VERY smart folks. They would not want the current GOP crop to even brush their horses.
sad.....
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:35:47pm |
re: #229 Lidane
Alex Jones needs to get on this right away!
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:37:25pm |
re: #230 boxhead
Romney may only spew the tripe he is because that is the only way to get the GOP nod. But we don't know.
Even if he isn't, he'll bow to the pressure coming from his right.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:39:22pm |
re: #232 JasonA
Romney may only spew the tripe he is because that is the only way to get the GOP nod. But we don't know.
Even if he isn't, he'll bow to the pressure coming from his right.
Or instead of the Right, he'll bow to the pressure from the rich.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:39:42pm |
re: #229 Lidane
Question: Gunslinger or Scoundrel?
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Kragar Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:40:17pm |
re: #232 JasonA
Romney may only spew the tripe he is because that is the only way to get the GOP nod.
I don't know which would be more pathetic, him believing it or him just saying it to get votes.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:40:48pm |
re: #230 boxhead
Until we can get an Amendment passed that mandates public funding for Federal elections, we will continue to have shenanigans surrounding our elections.
You know, a younger, more naive, me thought that it couldn't get worse. Then Citizens United happened...
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:41:23pm |
re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I don't know which would be more pathetic, him believing it or him just saying it to get votes.
Take a look at Romneys (yes, that's plural) past to divine an answer.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:41:34pm |
re: #228 boxhead
I think it is the corporations and rich folks that are pissed. They have been working VERY hard to get USA where it is today. And for the most part, they have succeeded. Much to the normal folks detriment... Both Dems and GOPs are complicit in this crime. Reversing this will be difficult. OWS folks inherently know this, but struggle producing coherent words. Those that can speak are marginalized. What is left is a few folks posting on web sites like this trying to speak truth to the lies.
damn... here I go waxing pessimistically again...
Well, its corps/rich folks and the socially conservative idiots they exploit to prop themselves up, by harping on the queers, abortionists, muslims, immigrants, etc.
This kind of socon supremacist paranoia has been going on for the past 100 years, at least, and a lot of people are still stupid and ignorant enough to fall for it. Think of the election of 1912, which would have been my grandfather's first election (if he was even able to vote as a Black man in rural Arkansas, which I very seriously doubt.)
A lot of the same economic and social anxieties still remain - immigration, what whites are going to get from the government above all others, women of any color not even allowed a vote (and freaks like Coulter making jokes that this should still be the case), robber baron/industrialism-rules capitalism, conservatives having a cow over the idea of child labor laws, jesus it's like the GOP is desperate to revive that era at any cost.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:42:06pm |
re: #236 JasonA
You know, a younger, more naive, me thought that it couldn't get worse. Then Citizens United happened...
I know.... I did not think that was possible..... *sigh*
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:42:08pm |
re: #234 JasonA
Question: Gunslinger or Scoundrel?
That depends on two things -- whether you want to heal or be pure DPS, and on how much you group.
Scoundrels offer a lot of utility for groups and decent damage. I'm the primary healer when my boyfriend and I play, and when we group with others. We do fairly well. OTOH, Gunslingers are pure DPS, run and gun types. They also get the portable cover shield. Scoundrels don't.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:43:49pm |
re: #240 Lidane
That depends on two things -- whether you want to heal or be pure DPS, and on how much you group.
Scoundrels offer a lot of utility for groups and decent damage. I'm the primary healer when my boyfriend and I play, and when we group with others. We do fairly well. OTOH, Gunslingers are pure DPS, run and gun types. They also get the portable cover shield. Scoundrels don't.
Of course I only play Sith, so it'll be Sniper for me. Really not into the whole goody two shoes thing. Though I might be up for a change in scenery...
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:44:47pm |
re: #232 JasonA
Romney may only spew the tripe he is because that is the only way to get the GOP nod. But we don't know.
Even if he isn't, he'll bow to the pressure coming from his right.
The Freepers and socons already distrust him so much that Romney may be constrained by these statement he's making more than Perry or Gingrich might be. He's picked up the label of insincere flip-flopper, so it's going to be difficult for him to move to the center without derision, and also because he runs the risk of pushing a hardcore conservative into pursing a third party kamikaze campaign.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:45:25pm |
re: #241 JasonA
Of course I only play Sith, so it''l be Sniper for me. Really not into the whole goody two shoes thing. Though I might be up for a change in scenery...
Ah. In that case, you'd want the Sniper over the Operative.
Personally, I adore the Agent storyline. Early on, as a female character, I had a choice of sleeping with someone to silence them, or just shooting them. I laughed.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:46:04pm |
re: #238 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You are correct!.... It is almost the same game plan. Not to be even more pessimistic, but that is why I think the rich folks have killed public education. We can't have people learning about the past mistakes so that they can prevent them from happening again. arr what am I saying....... In many ways, they have already succeeded...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:46:42pm |
re: #236 JasonA
You know, a younger, more naive, me thought that it couldn't get worse. Then Citizens United happened...
Yeah see, I'm a bit different. I've been in it when it was WAY worse.
/uphill both ways in the snow
Seriously, though, DF and I even had a sweet little bonding moment over this over the holidays -- it has been so much worse here.
We also haven't had a Citizens United situation come up until now. So there are also some unprecedented things happening.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:47:09pm |
re: #243 Lidane
Ah. In that case, you'd want the Sniper over the Operative.
Personally, I adore the Agent storyline. Early on, as a female character, I had a choice of sleeping with someone to silence them, or just shooting them. I laughed.
Yeah, I just ran into that guy. As if a highly competent Chiss Agent would be caught dead in the sack with him...
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:47:55pm |
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:47:59pm |
re: #246 JasonA
Yeah, I just ran into that guy. As if a highly competent Chiss Agent would be caught dead in the sack with him...
That's why I flirted with him, then shot him anyway. Haha.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:50:22pm |
re: #244 boxhead
You are correct!... It is almost the same game plan. Not to be even more pessimistic, but that is why I think the rich folks have killed public education. We can't have people learning about the past mistakes so that they can prevent them from happening again. arr what am I saying... In many ways, they have already succeeded...
I guess I'm not all that pessimistic.
When you come from the kind of cultures I do, it's like, pfft, we snuffed these people over the course of many years, in front of everybody. Even put ourselves on worldwide camera, embarrassing them, doing so. That's on them if we have to go and rub their insolent noses in it again.
It's inconvenient, but we can, and we will. This is why they resent us so desperately! /Schadenfreude
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:50:30pm |
re: #245 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah see, I'm a bit different. I've been in it when it was WAY worse.
/uphill both ways in the snow
Seriously, though, DF and I even had a sweet little bonding moment over this over the holidays -- it has been so much worse here.
We also haven't had a Citizens United situation come up until now. So there are also some unprecedented things happening.
I loved listening to Gingrich whine about being hit by all that superpac money. It gave me the happies.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:51:09pm |
arrr... enough for me this night..... nothing like chatting with others who all agree we are fucked.... :P
damn I need to find that glass I used to have that was half full.....
*think positive thoughts... think positive thoughts*
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:52:57pm |
re: #250 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I guess I'm not all that pessimistic.
When you come from the kind of cultures I do, it's like, pfft, we snuffed these people over the course of many years, in front of everybody. Even put ourselves on worldwide camera, embarrassing them, doing so. That's on them if we have to go and rub their insolent noses in it again.
It's inconvenient, but we can, and we will. This is why they resent us so desperately! /Schadenfreude
I guess I just see us playing a rigged game where we are not the ones doing the rigging. Unless money is removed from politics, us REAL people cannot win.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:53:56pm |
re: #252 boxhead
arrr... enough for me this night... nothing like chatting with others who all agree we are fucked... :P
damn I need to find that glass I used to have that was half full...
*think positive thoughts... think positive thoughts*
Nah, we're not fucked, they're fucked. They act this way because they know intuitively they are fucked.
The GOP is grasping at straws, because they have nothing else. They put themselves in that boat by doing NOTHING productive during the current administration. Sux to be them, I guess.
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:54:17pm |
re: #253 boxhead
I guess I just see us playing a rigged game where we are not the ones doing the rigging. Unless money is removed from politics, us REAL people cannot win.
but but money is speech and you can't restrict a person's speech and a corporation is so obviously a people and so...
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Lidane Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:55:00pm |
re: #246 JasonA
BTW, if you haven't seen this, I've found it very useful in planning out a character:
[Link: www.torhead.com...]
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Four More Tears Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:55:39pm |
re: #256 Lidane
BTW, if you haven't seen this, I've found it very useful in planning out a character:
[Link: www.torhead.com...]
Been there, done that. :)
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:55:42pm |
re: #254 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Nah, we're not fucked, they're fucked. They act this way because they know intuitively they are fucked.
The GOP is grasping at straws, because they have nothing else. They put themselves in that boat by doing NOTHING productive during the current administration. Sux to be them, I guess.
I SO hope you are right..... And you have given me my happy thought for the night.
"Second star on the right, straight on till morning"
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boxhead Sat, Jan 7, 2012 11:57:26pm |
re: #255 JasonA
but but money is speech and you can't restrict a person's speech and a corporation is so obviously a people and so...
How do you type the sound of razz-berries... ttptptpptptpptptptptpp?
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Kragar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:01:12am |
re: #259 boxhead
How do you type the sound of razz-berries... ttptptpptptpptptptptpp?
No one dares type the razz-berries except... Lonestar!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:07:28am |
re: #253 boxhead
I guess I just see us playing a rigged game where we are not the ones doing the rigging. Unless money is removed from politics, us REAL people cannot win.
Yeah, I don't think that's true.
Think again of the situation in 1912, the EY from 100 years ago.
Segregation was the law of the land, by SCOTUS fiat.
There was NO women's suffrage for women of any race.
Reproductive rights wasn't a viable concept.
Immigrants from south and eastern Europe were horribly discriminated against.
Alien land laws against Asian-Americans owning property or living where they wanted were the norm.
Child labor laws were 4 years away, no FDA, no safety net, contraception illegal, Racial cleansings were rampant.
The NAACP was 3 years old. Give it a year, Leo Frank would be horrifically lynched and the GA KKK sparked over his image, alone.
But so was the ADL. Look at us now. Today's far right assholes are intent on going back to 100 years ago, yeah the dumb, duped cons who vote for them will let them try it, but what regular person is going to let them?
We real people win because we real people make it happen. We always have; regardless of what these conservative GOP assholes do, we always will. This is why they resent us so much! /Schadenfreude
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boxhead Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:09:29am |
re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
No one dares type the razz-berries except... Lonestar!
ROTFLMAO.... oh thank you for that... I think Spaceballs will be watched tonight...
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boxhead Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:15:08am |
re: #261 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I feel you... you are right... we have been through worse.... we as a Country....
thanks and good night... for reals this time... :)
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engineer cat Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:17:54am |
A Clown Supreme
not a famous composition by john coltrane
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:21:02am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:38:47am |
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Kragar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:41:24am |
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engineer cat Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:43:38am |
re: #270 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, you can't hurry clown. No, it just has to wait.
clown don't come easy, it's a clown of give and take?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:47:46am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:50:37am |
re: #273 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
All you need is clown.
we are the clowns, my friend
and we'll keep on clowning to the end
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:51:43am |
re: #274 Sergey Romanov
we are the clowns, my friend
and we'll keep on clowning to the end
...of the world.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:52:22am |
What's clown got to do with it?
What's clown, but a secondhand emotion?
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freetoken Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:52:30am |
re: #271 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
One thing of which we have no drought is the outpouring of idiotic comments on stories like that one.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:59:21am |
re: #267 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Rotfl RuPaul
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 1:03:36am |
re: #278 Sergey Romanov
Cute! I hadn't seen that. Lol loved the Sonny/Cher camp.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 8, 2012 1:05:35am |
re: #267 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
We talked about the possibility of him endorsing a candidate.
"Well I do have a line of shoes coming out if that's what you mean," he says. "They're called Iron Fist shoes and the platform is amazing."
lolol (4 lgf history geeks)
ok time to hit uffizi
bbl
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engineer cat Sun, Jan 8, 2012 1:08:19am |
taverner - in nomine
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 1:09:22am |
re: #281 engineer dog
Any Taverner gets an immediate upding.
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engineer cat Sun, Jan 8, 2012 1:11:58am |
re: #280 Sergey Romanov
lolol (4 lgf history geeks)
ok time to hit uffizi
bbl
we was in firenze but you gots to stay on uffizi fer hours to see alla pichers
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freetoken Sun, Jan 8, 2012 1:42:02am |
Here's a quiet, contemplative piece for the wee hours. Little known Russian pianist V. Silvestrov with a piece titled "Sanctus":
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Kragar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 2:01:49am |
After a brief struggle, I have successfully beaten the ravioli into submission.
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researchok Sun, Jan 8, 2012 2:08:40am |
re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
After a brief struggle, I have successfully beaten the ravioli into submission.
Big deal.
I can do that with my left hand.
Blindfolded.
/
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Kragar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 2:09:41am |
re: #290 researchok
Big deal.
I can do that with my left hand.
Blindfolded.
/
One hand was on the fridge door, the other was for the renegade pasta.
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Kragar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 4:41:46am |
The G.O.P.’s ‘Black People’ Platform
That didn’t take long.
As we’ve gotten around to casting votes to select a Republican presidential nominee, the antiblack rhetoric has taken center stage.
You just have to love (and despise) this kind of predictability.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 8, 2012 5:11:47am |
re: #292 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The GOP is demographically doomed, unless they alter voting laws. They're trying to.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 8, 2012 5:59:21am |
Reasons why New York isn't so bad:
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Winny Spencer Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:10:58am |
Luap Nor is the worst debater of all time!
Raaaaaambling.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:13:22am |
whew well that was good
enough aryan blonde madonnas to last half a year//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:18:08am |
This girl's parents must tell her she's hot.
Yearbook's right.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:19:55am |
re: #297 Sergey Romanov
whew well that was good
enougharyanblonde madonnas to last half a year//
Uffizi'ed out? I always thought Botticelli was painting some kind of ethereal idealized women until I got on a bus in N. Italy. My first trip, a Botticelli Grace got on--and a David.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:20:00am |
re: #297 Sergey Romanov
Did you get to see Donatello's Crucifix in Santa Croce?
It was controversial at the time, since his Christ is kind of Semitic looking, and in pain.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:21:21am |
re: #300 Obdicut
I still think Jesus looked more like Woody Allen than he did Ted Nugent.
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Winny Spencer Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:21:58am |
Gingrich is a competent debater, but Mittens is a great evader.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:22:23am |
re: #300 Obdicut
not yet
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:23:59am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This girl's parents must tell her she's hot.
Yearbook's right.
“Sometimes I am walking with my daughter, I’m talking to my daughter, I’m looking at her, I’m pushing her in the stroller. And sometimes I pick her up and I just stare at her and I realize my only job in life is to keep her off the pole.
“Keep my baby off the pole!
“I mean they don’t grade fathers but if your daughter is a stripper you fucked up.”
-Chris Rock
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:25:01am |
akshully even most magi depictions were blond.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:25:06am |
re: #300 Obdicut
It was controversial at the time, since his Christ is kind of Semitic looking, and in pain.
Jesus was supposed to be Jewish...of course he looks Semitic.
Speaking of Jesus...is the Republican debate happening now? Shouldn't he be on stage in the form of Santorum?
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Gus Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:25:15am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This girl's parents must tell her she's hot.
Yearbook's right.
And now she's famous. Well, sort of.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:26:06am |
re: #304 Sergey Romanov
not yet
If you go to Santa Croce you are three blocks from a gelateria sometimes rated the 'world's best'. Try the rice.
[Link: www.vivoli.it...]
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Winny Spencer Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:28:35am |
re: #307 darthstar
It just ended. Mittens got through it unscathed, yet again.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:30:32am |
re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I still think Jesus looked more like Woody Allen than he did Ted Nugent.
"I think it's perfectly understandable for you to have other gods before me...but I'm trying to show you the way to heaven, and really, you don't want to get on my dad's bad side, or you'll spend eternity in therapy wondering why you didn't listen to me...I mean I spend half my time talking to my shrink about why people get freaked out over me...I get nervous in crowds...end up turning water into wine, or making fish sandwiches for the masses or resurrecting the dead...I just can't help myself is all..."
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:31:16am |
re: #310 Winny Spencer
It just ended. Mittens got through it unscathed, yet again.
Not if his fans refer to him as "Mittens"...
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:31:29am |
re: #311 darthstar
"I think it's perfectly understandable for you to have other gods before me...but I'm trying to show you the way to heaven, and really, you don't want to get on my dad's bad side, or you'll spend eternity in therapy wondering why you didn't listen to me...I mean I spend half my time talking to my shrink about why people get freaked out over me...I get nervous in crowds...end up turning water into wine, or making fish sandwiches for the masses or resurrecting the dead...I just can't help myself is all..."
Kvetch on the Mount.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:31:53am |
re: #311 darthstar
If I was supposed to read that with Woody Allen's voice in my head? I did. That was funny as heck.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:32:51am |
re: #290 researchok
Big deal.
I can do that with my left hand.
Blindfolded.
/
You're thinking about your cannoli.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:35:22am |
re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I was supposed to read that with Woody Allen's voice in my head? I did. That was funny as heck.
I don't do Jewish neurotics very well, myself...but Woody just rambles so I gave it a shot. Thanks.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:45:16am |
Perry nails it!
By MAGGIE HABERMAN |
1/8/12 9:23 AM ESTRick Perry just made another reference to his "oops" moment, making a display of saying what three areas of government he'd cut.
When he smoothly finished, the debate hall crowd laughed and applauded, as did some of Perry's rivals onstage. He held up three fingers, smiling. Rick Santorum goofingly slapped his own forehead.
I'll have to find the video for that. I love the way Rick Perry looks up and smiles when the crowd applauds him. He's like a kid who for the first time came out of the bathroom with his pants up instead of still down around his ankles waiting for his mom to help him.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:45:56am |
Morning all!
I need coffee, fresh coffee.
You?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:46:34am |
re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I was supposed to read that with Woody Allen's voice in my head? I did. That was funny as heck.
Next, read it in Charlie Manson's voice, like so:
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abolitionist Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:47:31am |
Iran is mounting new clampdowns on Internet expression, including rules that will impose layers of surveillance in the country's popular Internet cafes, as Tehran's political establishment comes under increasing strains from economic turmoil and threats of more international sanctions.
In the most sweeping move, Iran issued regulations giving Internet cafes 15 days to install security cameras, start collecting detailed personal information on customers and document users' online footprints.
[snip]
The network slowdown likely heralds the arrival of an initiative Iran has been readying—a "halal" domestic intranet that it has said will insulate its citizens from Western ideology and un-Islamic culture, and eventually replace the Internet.
Replace the internet??
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Winny Spencer Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:48:13am |
Moderate Huntsman again embraces the Paul Ryan-plan.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:53:23am |
re: #316 darthstar
Ever heard Ellen Degenerous ramble? One of the funniest things in comedy, IMO.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:53:40am |
re: #321 Winny Spencer
Moderate Huntsman again embraces the Paul Ryan-plan.
If you want to win Republican primary votes, you have to support some shitty ideas. Unfortunately for Huntsman, the Ryan plan isn't going to be enough to make him competitive. Besides, Romney will just say he supports it too...until he doesn't.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:55:31am |
re: #322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ever heard Ellen Degenerous ramble? One of the funniest things in comedy, IMO.
[Video]
I loved her when she was a barely known doing Evening at the Improv on A&E...back when that network was about arts & entertainment...her, Judy Tenuda, and Paula Poundstone (whom I love on "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me")
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:55:33am |
re: #317 darthstar
He's like a kid who for the first time came out of the bathroom with his pants up instead of still down around his ankles waiting for his mom to help him.
Was in a public restroom the other day, guy steps up to the urinal and completely dropped trau... Pants and underwear to his shoes...
WTF?
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:55:47am |
re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I still think Jesus looked more like Woody Allen than he did Ted Nugent.
Why do people think Woody Allen represents the quintessential Jew? I personally always thought he sucked, from the very beginning, when I heard his shtick about his pet bug.
He is the quintessential, stepdaughter-boinking shmuck.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:58:20am |
Occupier: Ron Paul 'Lesser of Two Evils'
"If I had to vote, this wouldn't come from the Occupy movement at all, this would come from my personal opinion," said Banker, "I would probably vote for Ron Paul, but that's still the lesser of two evils, unfortunately."
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:59:41am |
re: #326 Alouette
He's got some good films, and, because of said films, has gotten to put a lot of portrayals of Jews in front of people.
And she wasn't his stepdaughter. He's still a creepy old dude picking up a younger woman, but he wasn't stepfather to her.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 8, 2012 7:59:41am |
re: #326 Alouette
Any updates on your credit card mess? I see Israel is talking tough and thinking of treating Anon creeps as terrorists.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:00:04am |
re: #329 Killgore Trout
I have this crazy idea that we should treat people who engage in terrorism as terrorists.
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Gus Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:00:17am |
re: #327 Killgore Trout
Ron Paul's useful idiots on the left
Written from a left perspective; she makes a good point for boneheads like this.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:00:54am |
re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Was in a public restroom the other day, guy steps up to the urinal and completely dropped trau... Pants and underwear to his shoes...
WTF?
If there are other people in the restroom, you should say, "Hello, Senator...I didn't recognize you with your pants up." If it's just the two of you...probably better off not addressing him directly.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:01:05am |
re: #324 darthstar
Judy Tenuda disturbs me on a very visceral level, but she was one of the best Spaceghost guests ever.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:02:13am |
re: #317 darthstar
Perry nails it!
I'll have to find the video for that. I love the way Rick Perry looks up and smiles when the crowd applauds him. He's like a kid who for the first time came out of the bathroom with his pants up instead of still down around his ankles waiting for his mom to help him.
I hope that when humans of the future invent both time travel and a cure for cancer, one result will be that I am able to read Christopher Hitchens' obituary of Kim Jong Il and Molly Ivins' commentary on Rick Perry's presidential campaign.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:02:17am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:03:34am |
re: #334 Obdicut
Judy Tenuda disturbs me on a very visceral level, but she was one of the best Spaceghost guests ever.
I follow "Judy-ism".
Once she did an entire beat down on Yoko. Basically the idea was, "Wouldn't the world be better off if that guy had aimed just a little to his left?"
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Bear Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:05:46am |
OT
Pictures from Coast Guard Ice Breaker helping Russian Tanker to deliver much needed fuel to Nome, Alaska. The usual fuel barge could not get to Nome this time due to sea ice.
[Link: icefloe.net...]
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jaunte Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:06:09am |
re: #332 Gus 802
Ron Paul's useful idiots on the left
Written from a left perspective; she makes a good point for boneheads like this.
Glenn Greenwald is thrashing around in the comment thread, claiming that support for several of Ron Paul's ideas isn't support for him as a candidate.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:07:17am |
re: #329 Killgore Trout
Any updates on your credit card mess? I see Israel is talking tough and thinking of treating Anon creeps as terrorists.
My card has been cancelled and BofA has issued a temporary card which I can use until my new card arrives.
Last Thursday night I spent about an hour and a half with BofA fraud agent going over every transaction. It wasn't easy because the fraud started just as we were on vacation so some legitimate transactions (gas purchased in states we don't live, hotel rooms, restaurants, some shopping I did in Brooklyn) got flagged as bogus.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:07:43am |
re: #340 jaunte
Glenn Greenwald is thrashing around in the comment thread, claiming that support for several of Ron Paul's ideas isn't support for him as a candidate.
Then why reference Paul? Any sane idea he has has already been articulated by someone smarter and more ethical.
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Gus Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:08:46am |
re: #340 jaunte
Glenn Greenwald is thrashing around in the comment thread, claiming that support for several of Ron Paul's ideas isn't support for him as a candidate.
Yep, Greenwald wasting bandwidth again. He should stay in Brazil and redecorate that 5 million dollar home of his. I'll be waiting for his reports on Brazilian politics and police abuse in Rio. I'll be here holding my breath.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:08:54am |
re: #341 Alouette
My card has been cancelled and BofA has issued a temporary card which I can use until my new card arrives.
Last Thursday night I spent about an hour and a half with BofA fraud agent going over every transaction. It wasn't easy because the fraud started just as we were on vacation so some legitimate transactions (gas purchased in states we don't live, hotel rooms, restaurants, some shopping I did in Brooklyn) got flagged as bogus.
what a PITA!!!
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:09:53am |
re: #341 Alouette
I had that happen with BofA once...someone got my iTunes account info (I no longer use iTunes) and charged over $2,000 in iTunes gift cards over a two week period. Took me a few months to recover.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:10:14am |
re: #343 Gus 802
The police in Brazil just shoot kids in the face when they want to. It's a bizarre choice of residence for a supposed libertarian liberal.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:10:17am |
re: #343 Gus 802
now don't risk your life like that!/
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Winny Spencer Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:10:54am |
"75% of Americans agree that we have to audit the federal reserve." - Luap Nor
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:10:55am |
re: #345 darthstar
I had that happen with BofA once...someone got my iTunes account info (I no longer use iTunes) and charged over $2,000 in iTunes gift cards over a two week period. Took me a few months to recover.
A lot of people buy iTunes gift cards and use them instead of their own credit card. Makes a lot of sense.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:11:55am |
re: #348 Winny Spencer
"75% of Americans agree that we have to audit the federal reserve." - Luap Nor
which happens already. All banks are audited.
You have to wonder about the 25% who don't think a bank should be audited.
Luap Nor is an idiot.
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Sionainn Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:11:57am |
re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Was in a public restroom the other day, guy steps up to the urinal and completely dropped trau... Pants and underwear to his shoes...
WTF?
DH just said he's seen it happen, too....very rarely, but it apparently happens. He seems to recall one guy was a person he knew who told him it was because he didn't want to pee on his clothes. LOL.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:13:12am |
re: #351 Sionainn
DH just said he's seen it happen, too...very rarely, but it apparently happens. He seems to recall one guy was a person he knew who told him it was because he didn't want to pee on his clothes. LOL.
I've heard men of different cultures do that.
Men are so weird about public restroom etiquette.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:13:19am |
re: #348 Winny Spencer
"75% of Americans in my house agree that we have to audit the federal reserve." - Luap Nor
ftfy Luap!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:13:59am |
re: #351 Sionainn
DH just said he's seen it happen, too...very rarely, but it apparently happens. He seems to recall one guy was a person he knew who told him it was because he didn't want to pee on his clothes. LOL.
I've had jobs where I cleaned public restrooms. I wouldn't want my clothes touching the floor anywhere near a urinal in a men's bathroom.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:14:32am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:14:52am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:15:49am |
re: #352 ggt
I said "Hi" to Peyton Manning once at a urinal... Didn't offer to shake hands, tho.
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Gus Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:17:19am |
re: #346 Obdicut
The police in Rio just shoot kids in the face when they want to. It's a bizarre choice of residence for a supposed libertarian liberal.
Greenwald would never do anything to interfere with his cash flow. He's become a millionaire peddling his pseudo-intellectual screeds. Knowing people of his ilk, I seriously doubt he's become a true citizen of Brazil and is there for primarily personal reasons. Another millionaire writer ex-patriot that will never become a citizen of the nation he's run away to.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:17:49am |
re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I said "Hi" to Peyton Manning once at a urinal... Didn't offer to shake hands, tho.
Men seem to have these strange rituals. Don't talk, don't look, but then gossip about everything that happens that they aren't supposed to know about the other men.
Women talk, kibbutz, complement, ask for advice. Then promptly forget it all.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:17:53am |
re: #354 ggt
I've had jobs where I cleaned public restrooms. I wouldn't want my clothes touching the floor anywhere near a urinal in a men's bathroom.
UGH! I make sure my shoestrings aren't dragging on the floor before I enter a men's room.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:19:13am |
re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
UGH! I make sure my shoestrings aren't dragging on the floor before I enter a men's room.
Don't touch the walls either.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:19:59am |
I accidentally recorded the Biography Stephen King.
Gosh, I'm glad I did. This is great.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:20:20am |
re: #345 darthstar
I had that happen with BofA once...someone got my iTunes account info (I no longer use iTunes) and charged over $2,000 in iTunes gift cards over a two week period. Took me a few months to recover.
Yeah, somebody downloaded $800 of something from some gaming site. BofA has refunded the bogus charges and declined everything made on the card since 1/2/2012 except for 2 fuel stops that I made in Pennsylavnia and Ohio on the drive home.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:20:22am |
re: #362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I accidentally recorded the Biography Stephen King.
Gosh, I'm glad I did. This is great.
What's so great about it?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:21:24am |
re: #363 Alouette
Yeah, somebody downloaded $800 of something from some gaming site. BofA has refunded the bogus charges and declined everything made on the card since 1/2/2012 except for 2 fuel stops that I made in Pennsylavnia and Ohio on the drive home.
I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.
All I can say is that I love Citibank.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:22:07am |
re: #364 ggt
Great as in an abject poverty to the best selling author of the twentieth century great.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:23:59am |
The stalker blog has made a screen shot of my Stinky-whacked post with the naughty words that I used about the [deleted] who hacked my debit card info. So proud of themselves, the little [deleted]
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:30:04am |
re: #369 jaunte
I'm hoping this new "It's cool to be a racist pig" phase of the Republican party costs them as many white votes as it does minority votes.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:30:18am |
re: #204 Lidane
Best. Commercial. Ever. This is why I love Austin:
[Video]
If I get down to Austin in April I'll have to go there.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:34:21am |
re: #370 darthstar
I'm hoping this new "It's cool to be a racist pig" phase of the Republican party costs them as many white votes as it does minority votes.
I do too, but it won't.
Plus, outside of the 17 same old people, it's not like we Blacks were ever going to vote for them, anyway.
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aagcobb Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:36:29am |
re: #328 Obdicut
He's got some good films, and, because of said films, has gotten to put a lot of portrayals of Jews in front of people.
And she wasn't his stepdaughter. He's still a creepy old dude picking up a younger woman, but he wasn't stepfather to her.
Its ultra-creepy when the younger woman you are picking up is the daughter of your girlfriend.
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aagcobb Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:37:28am |
Anyone watch the morning debate? Was anything memorable said?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:39:45am |
re: #368 Alouette
The stalker blog has made a screen shot of my Stinky-whacked post with the naughty words that I used about the [deleted] who hacked my debit card info. So proud of themselves, the little [deleted]
I didn't like your comment personally, but then my uncle came out of prison with HIV/AIDS so I'm fairly biased. I didn't think much of it though, I've been through bank account fraud and know how frustrating the experience is.
Also, it's the height of hypocrisy for those D-bags to make an issue out of it, seeing as how just before Daedalus approvingly posted a video that praises The Turner Diaries and advocates mass murder.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:42:50am |
re: #374 aagcobb
Anyone watch the morning debate? Was anything memorable said?
I didn't watch, but since last night's debate was "Give Romney a pass on everything night" I decided it wasn't worth my time. Apparently they tried to make up for it this morning but he's such a whinging asshole there's no way to actually scratch his veneer that will stick.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:44:25am |
re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I said "Hi" to Peyton Manning once at a urinal... Didn't offer to shake hands, tho.
What DID you offer to shake??
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darthstar Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:47:20am |
re: #377 sattv4u2
What DID you offer to shake??
Peyton's chicken was choking so he gave him the Heisman maneuver.
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jaunte Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:48:41am |
ALEC at work:
Continuing Assault on Unions
"...It stands to reason that a union will reduce a company’s profits somewhat, by obtaining a higher share for workers. But over the last three decades, economists have found that unionization has a minimal impact on growth and employment in an entire state or country. In fact, six of the 10 states with the highest unemployment have right-to-work laws. North Carolina, a right-to-work state, has a private sector unionization rate of 1.8 percent, the lowest in the nation. It also has the sixth highest unemployment rate: 10 percent."
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blueraven Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:50:30am |
re: #374 aagcobb
Anyone watch the morning debate? Was anything memorable said?
Huntsman did better. He scored when Romney attacked him again for serving under Obama. He made the comment that Romney's attitude is what is wrong with this country. He received a pretty good reaction from the crowd.
Also, Mitt tried to say he has not been a career politician. It was pointed out that he has been campaigning for years, but lost the senate election against Ted Kennedy and has basically been running for President ever since he left as Gov of Mass.
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Michael McBacon Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:51:20am |
Clown Car: Rick Santorum
Half-Way Sane Car: Jon Huntsman
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Gus Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:56:04am |
re: #375 goddamnedfrank
I didn't like your comment personally, but then my uncle came out of prison with HIV/AIDS so I'm fairly biased. I didn't think much of it though, I've been through bank account fraud and know how frustrating the experience is.
Also, it's the height of hypocrisy for those D-bags to make an issue out of it, seeing as how just before Daedalus approvingly posted a video that praises The Turner Diaries and advocates mass murder.
Ha! That's from this week. Never saw that until you mentioned it. Who's Gus02? I'm going to go back to ignoring this childishness. I think it's hilarious the way they monitor our ever word here and have these one-way conversations with us. It's just a waste of time and I won't get sucked into that scene anymore.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 8, 2012 8:59:49am |
re: #375 goddamnedfrank
I didn't like your comment personally, but then my uncle came out of prison with HIV/AIDS so I'm fairly biased. I didn't think much of it though, I've been through bank account fraud and know how frustrating the experience is.
Also, it's the height of hypocrisy for those D-bags to make an issue out of it, seeing as how just before Daedalus approvingly posted a video that praises The Turner Diaries and advocates mass murder.
I was angry and used some language that I don't normally use. However that's not an excuse for the Dead Louse to be jubilating over it.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:02:49am |
re: #382 Gus 802
Ha! That's from this week. Never saw that until you mentioned it. Who's Gus02? I'm going to go back to ignoring this childishness. I think it's hilarious the way they monitor our ever word here and have these one-way conversations with us. It's just a waste of time and I won't get sucked into that scene anymore.
I never go there and I wouldn't even know about their shenanigans except that some [deleted] posted the screen shot at my blog.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:05:06am |
re: #204 Lidane
Best. Commercial. Ever. This is why I love Austin:
[Video]
Other underappreciated Texas contributions:
MC 900-Foot Jesus, jazz/hip-hop genius that somehow managed to escape notice:
The Church of the Subgenius - will inevitably become a subject of sincere and earnest anthropological study as soon as everyone who might be able to collect royalties is dead:
Robert Tilton, king of all televangelists. If you do not agree, I will stab you:
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:09:00am |
re: #204 Lidane
Best. Commercial. Ever. This is why I love Austin:
[Video]
And I remember the movie that inspired his commercial.
The "commercial" starts at about 2:45 of the video
| 387 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:11:19am |
re: #334 Obdicut
Judy Tenuda disturbs me on a very visceral level, but she was one of the best Spaceghost guests ever.
You, sir, have nothing. You've been canceled.
[Link: video.adultswim.com...]
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:16:54am |
re: #382 Gus 802
Ha! That's from this week. Never saw that until you mentioned it. Who's Gus02? I'm going to go back to ignoring this childishness. I think it's hilarious the way they monitor our ever word here and have these one-way conversations with us. It's just a waste of time and I won't get sucked into that scene anymore.
I believe this is the first time I've ever posted a direct reference to the skin jobs since I've been here. I'm normally much against the practice and probably won't do it for another four and a half years, but just thought the rather extreme nature of the hypocrisy was asking to be highlighted in this case. I know there'll be many mental backflips to try and rationalize away linking to such blatant hate speech, but the fact is he was attempting to praise Pinochet as a goad, saying again how he's a fan of this right wing dictator who killed leftists to get a blood pressure rise out of rehashing an old argument. I honestly believe he either missed or glossed over the Turner Diaries reference and its obvious antisemitic connotations.
Still, I find it funny.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:21:47am |
Secular Coalition for America president Herb Silverman's autobiography looks interesting:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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funky chicken Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:22:23am |
re: #35 goddamnedfrank
I like how Mitt came out against the principle behind Griswold v. Connecticut (right to privacy) but didn't want to admit that this means states should be able ban contraception. He even feigned not knowing there was such a case. What a huge asshole.
Wait. Romney thinks states should have the right to ban contraception, but shouldn't have the right to allow gay marriages? Really?
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:26:11am |
re: #388 goddamnedfrank
I thought DoD may have been inferring Charles was Pinochet... until I read his next post:
Pinochet is the man!
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:26:31am |
re: #390 funky chicken
Wait. Romney thinks states should have the right to ban contraception, but shouldn't have the right to allow gay marriages? Really?
He doesn't think states would want to ban contraception, or that they should, but he denies the underlying principle that struck down the ban in Griswold. i.e. He doesn't believe in a constitutional right to privacy. He also wants to amend the Constitution to specifically ban both abortion and gay marriage.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:30:39am |
re: #392 BigPapa
I thought DoD may have been inferring Charles was Pinochet... until I read his next post:
Exactly. It's an old argument he was attempting to use as a goad. The dude is a huge fan of Pinochet because he's a right wing demigod who killed godless leftists and who wingnuts credit with performing some kind of economic miracle, blah blah blah.
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Gus Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:31:46am |
re: #392 BigPapa
I thought DoD may have been inferring Charles was Pinochet... until I read his next post:
Pinochet is the man!
A lot of people seem to think so.
Whatever floats their boat. Obscure blog is obscure. ;)
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funky chicken Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:34:29am |
re: #393 goddamnedfrank
Ah. This from a guy who has announced he won't release his tax records even if he is the GOP nominee. Whatever.
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funky chicken Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:41:19am |
re: #393 goddamnedfrank
He also wants to amend the Constitution to specifically ban both abortion and gay marriage.
And he wonders why people don't trust him? LOL. Thank God I never have voted for the guy, although I probably would have against Teddy Kennedy had I been a resident of MA at the time.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:41:42am |
re: #396 funky chicken
Ah. This from a guy who has announced he won't release his tax records even if he is the GOP nominee. Whatever.
I think this refusal is probably going to be one of the big issues for the general election, possibly before. Ironically, it'll be big because of the refusal more than it is about the probability it shows he paid a tax rate of less than 15%.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:42:10am |
Peaceful protests continue...
Six arrested in Oakland anti-police march
Protesters were arrested on a variety of charges that included assault on a police officer, resisting arrest and possession of explosives. Police said one person had a device that was the equivalent of a quarter stick of dynamite.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:43:06am |
Pinochet: Caravan of Death
Pinochet is the man!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:45:33am |
re: #399 Killgore Trout
Peaceful protests continue...
Six arrested in Oakland anti-police march
one person had a device that was the equivalent of a quarter stick of dynamite.
Doesn't everyone?
Don't Leave Home Without It!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:47:42am |
re: #402 sattv4u2
one person had a device that was the equivalent of a quarter stick of dynamite.Doesn't everyone?
Don't Leave Home Without It!
Peace through superior firepower - Gandhi
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:49:51am |
re: #403 Killgore Trout
Peace through superior firepower - Gandhi
they allegedly broke police squad car windows as well as those of a Starbucks coffee shop
Well,, at least glass companies will see an increase in business this week!
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:06:57am |
re: #399 Killgore Trout
Peaceful protests continue...
Six arrested in Oakland anti-police march
Police said one person had a device that was the equivalent of a quarter stick of dynamite.
That was just one protester!
Probably a Tea Party plant anyway.
//
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SidewaysQuark Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:17:30am |
My personal prediction:
1) Mitt Romney wins the Republican nomination by a healthy margin.
2) Mitt Romney magically transforms back into a moderate for the general election.
3) Barack Obama turns the campaign machine back on, and after a vigorous campaign, edges out Romney by a margin comparable to but a bit smaller than that by which he beat McCain.
4) Republicans figure the reason they lost was because they "weren't conservative enough", despite the fact that some of Romney's conservative rhetoric during the primaries contributed to his loss.
5) The Republicans thus come out with a crop of even MORE batshit insane candidates for 2016 (possibly including a hard-right-driving Sarah Palin).
You heard it here first (unless it doesn't happen, in which case I'll forget I ever predicted it).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:22:54am |
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice that always coincides with their own desires.
-Susan B. Anthony.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:26:42am |
I like Mitt Romney and he is anything but a clown. He is a moderate Republican who is doing his best to walk the tightrope with GOP primary voters. He has changed positions on many issues because in the year 2012, a moderate Republican like Romney is better suited to do well in a general election than in his own primaries. That is too bad, but Romney needs to placate the GOP primary voters or his campaign is going nowhere. Romney is a reasonable, mature, and pragmatic man who would be a good President. Make no mistake about it, President Obama is far more concerned about facing Romney than he is about any of the other candidates. And he should be. If the economy perks up even a bit, I think Obama will win. I feel he has done a good job as President. But Mitt Romney is no clown and those who underestimate him by calling him one will realize at some point that they were wrong.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:29:55am |
re: #409 _RememberTonyC
...He has changed positions on many issues...
A politician who hasn't done that does not exist.
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allegro Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:31:14am |
re: #407 SidewaysQuark
My personal prediction:
1) Mitt Romney wins the Republican nomination by a healthy margin.
2) Mitt Romney magically transforms back into a moderate for the general election.
3) Barack Obama turns the campaign machine back on, and after a vigorous campaign, edges out Romney by a margin comparable to but a bit smaller than that by which he beat McCain.
4) Republicans figure the reason they lost was because they "weren't conservative enough", despite the fact that some of Romney's conservative rhetoric during the primaries contributed to his loss.
5) The Republicans thus come out with a crop of even MORE batshit insane candidates for 2016 (possibly including a hard-right-driving Sarah Palin).
You heard it here first (unless it doesn't happen, in which case I'll forget I ever predicted it).
Here's mine:
1) Agreed.
2) Agreed.
3) Agreed but I think Romney will lose by a larger margin, perhaps significantly so. Unlike some others here, I think the OWS message and media attention to that message resonated with much of the country and that Mitt "Mr. 1%" Romney is going to be memorably labeled with attention paid to his company busting, employee firing past with Bain. His refusal to release his taxes will only add to this perception.
Romney trying to move to a more moderate position as he must in the general will only hurt him more among conservatives who already don't like him. They won't vote for Obama, but they'll be much more likely to sit the election out or go third party, thus widening the margin of loss. Independents will remember or be reminded of his batshit positions taken to get the nominations and he will take the flip-flop meme to new heights.
4) Agreed.
5) Yup.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:31:18am |
re: #409 _RememberTonyC
I like Mitt Romney and he is anything but a clown. He is a moderate Republican who is doing his best to walk the tightrope with GOP primary voters. He has changed positions on many issues because in the year 2012, a moderate Republican like Romney is better suited to do well in a general election than in his own primaries. That is too bad, but Romney needs to placate the GOP primary voters or his campaign is going nowhere. Romney is a reasonable, mature, and pragmatic man who would be a good President. Make no mistake about it, President Obama is far more concerned about facing Romney than he is about any of the other candidates. And he should be. If the economy perks up even a bit, I think Obama will win. I feel he has done a good job as President. But Mitt Romney is no clown and those who underestimate him by calling him one will realize at some point that they were wrong.
Well, said. Obama did an awful lot of pandering to his loony base during his primaries too. It was a turn off for me but he's ended up being a good pragmatic leader. I learned my lesson. When the time comes I'll look at Mitt's record and his positions, try to sort out the pandering and bullshit and try to judge him fairly.
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Decider Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:31:40am |
At this point the other clowns are simply interviewing to be Mitten's VP on the ticket. Ultimately, Mitten will lose to Obama because the GOP base will not support him and the fact most people realize that Obama is not a Kenyan, Socialist, Marxist, Black Panther that wants to kill White people. Of course Fox News will continue to push that narrative to their idiotic base and some will vote for Mittens but ultimately Romney is the next John Kerry and Bob Dole.
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Decider Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:34:35am |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
Well, said. Obama did an awful lot of pandering to his loony base during his primaries too. It was a turn off for me but he's ended up being a good pragmatic leader. I learned my lesson. When the time comes I'll look at Mitt's record and his positions, try to sort out the pandering and bullshit and try to judge him fairly.
There is a big difference. Obama does not have to cater to the real ruler of the Democratic party like a "President Mitt" would have to cater to Roger Ailes.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:34:39am |
re: #409 _RememberTonyC
Mitt Romney is no clown and those who underestimate him by calling him one will realize at some point that they were wrong.
Why ,,, we weren't wrong calling YOU a clown!!!
///
:)
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:37:46am |
re: #415 sattv4u2
Mitt Romney is no clown and those who underestimate him by calling him one will realize at some point that they were wrong.
Why ,,, we weren't wrong calling YOU a clown!!!
///
:)
Don't confuse a true comedic genius with a clown!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 8, 2012 10:41:37am |
re: #414 Decider
There is a big difference. Obama does not have to cater to the real ruler of the Democratic party like a "President Mitt" would have to cater to Roger Ailes.
Although Murdoch, Koch bros, et al have an outsized influence on the Republican party I'm pretty cautious about buying into the political caricatures. Wingnuts would say the same thing about Soros and Alinsky strategies. There's a shred of truth in all these things but I try to be careful with taking them too far.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 8, 2012 11:48:42am |
re: #417 Killgore Trout
Although Murdoch, Koch bros, et al have an outsized influence on the Republican party I'm pretty cautious about buying into the political caricatures. Wingnuts would say the same thing about Soros and Alinsky strategies. There's a shred of truth in all these things but I try to be careful with taking them too far.
I don't think there's any equivalent on the left for the massive influence Fox News has on the right wing base. They pump out far right propaganda relentlessly, on a gigantic scale.
And the Koch brothers have spent enormous amounts of money on right wing think tanks and front groups -- far more than George Soros.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Jan 8, 2012 12:32:55pm |
re: #417 Killgore Trout
Although Murdoch, Koch bros, et al have an outsized influence on the Republican party I'm pretty cautious about buying into the political caricatures. Wingnuts would say the same thing about Soros and Alinsky strategies. There's a shred of truth in all these things but I try to be careful with taking them too far.
Fox News is the victory mosque.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 8, 2012 1:48:13pm |
re: #418 Charles
I don't think there's any equivalent on the left for the massive influence Fox News has on the right wing base. They pump out far right propaganda relentlessly, on a gigantic scale.
And the Koch brothers have spent enormous amounts of money on right wing think tanks and front groups -- far more than George Soros.
There is no equivalence in scale nor in quality of the propaganda.
There are partisans on the left, no doubt. But none as accomplished or as powerful Fox and right wing radio.
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Interesting Times Sun, Jan 8, 2012 1:53:58pm |
re: #417 Killgore Trout
Ridiculous MBF. When on Earth have major Democratic leaders had to apologize and kow-tow to an inflammatory left-wing figure (e.g. Michael Moore) the way Republicans like Boehner are forced to worship Limbaugh's anal cyst? (if that turn of phrase is sensibility-upsetting disgusting, too bad - it's the only physical grotesquerie that can come anywhere near the moral one that the modern right-wing/republican party has become).
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