GOP Clown Car Arrives in Florida for Fifth Debate This Month

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Watch out, here comes the GOP Clown Car again, disgorging its endless cargo of makeup-laden performers for another fantabulous debate about nothing of consequence.

In the Big Top, the Romney harlequin has no choice but to attack the Gingrich jester like a mad (but hilarious!) dog tonight; you can look forward to squirting boutonnieres, joy buzzers, and whoopee cushions galore as Ron “Zany” Paul and Rick “Madcap” Santorum mug wildly for the crowd on the sidelines. Come one, come all.

Issues you won’t hear any questions about: science, climate change, evolution, education, and Newt Gingrich’s sleazy personal life (the media learned their lesson in that last debate).

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485 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:53:21pm

Wait, Rick Perry is still around, I though he did a Palin.

2 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:53:34pm
MP3 Audio
3 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:56:08pm

At this point it's really just a crazy bicycle. Not enough clowns for a full car.

4 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:57:22pm

Let's start up the GOP theme song:

Youtube Video

Send in the clowns!

5 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:02:48pm

When will it all end?

6 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:03:09pm

The embed link is different than the new one on the MSNBC site.

7 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:03:30pm

REAGAN!!

8 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:03:43pm

re: #7 freetoken

REAGAN!!

DRINK!

9 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:04:22pm

shit. tuesday is going to suck

10 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:04:36pm

re: #6 freetoken

The embed link is different than the new one on the MSNBC site.

Yep, just fixed it. Reload to see the live feed.

11 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:04:45pm

re: #8 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

DRINK!

SOCIALISM!

*drink*

EUROPEAN STYLE GOVERNMENT

*drink*

12 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:04:46pm

re: #3 erik_t

At this point it's really just a crazy bicycle. Not enough clowns for a full car.

It's a four-person pedal boat down the Sea of Fail. The clown car got left at the docks a while ago.

13 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:05:00pm

"Responsibility," my ass. You got ran out of town on a rail.

14 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:06:24pm

It's not a GOP debate without the proper soundtrack:

Youtube Video
15 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:06:27pm

"influence peddler"

Heh, some ... fire??

16 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:06:52pm

Romney breaks out the "influence peddler" line. Bashes Gingrich for believing in climate change.

17 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:07:10pm

Remember when Obama putting up a site to tackle misinformation was laughed at by the wingnuts?

18 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:08:00pm

This won't be a real debate unless there are couple moments of "OH NO HE DIDN'T"

19 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:08:10pm

Gingrich's forced resignation from office is "trivial politics."

20 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:08:24pm

I missed the part of history where Gingrich *didn't* resign in disgrace, well maybe he didn't feel he was disgraced, but that's not quite the point..

21 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:08:37pm

My own take on a theme song for the modern day GOP...

Youtube Video
22 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:08:59pm

Romney's going for Gingrich's throat. Well, his neck. If he can find it.

23 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:09:18pm

re: #22 Charles

Romney's going for Gingrich's throat. Well, his neck. If he can find it.

He's sounding pretty desperate.

24 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:09:51pm

Romney: "I learned something from that last campaign in South Carolina."

25 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:10:24pm

re: #24 Charles

Learnt how to "Whistle Dixie".

26 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:10:35pm

"MITT BOT AGGRESSION MODE ACTIVATED"

27 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:10:38pm

Mitt's going to have to simplify that message for this audience.

28 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:10:42pm

re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He's sounding pretty desperate.

No, he's attacking a fellow Republican; something he rarely does.

29 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:10:50pm

re: #24 Charles

Romney: "I learned something from that last campaign in South Carolina."

I've learned what utterly shameless reprehensible people you all are and I'm sorry that I need you to vote for me to have any chance to get elected President, ROMNEY 2012!

30 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:11:23pm

"not guilty on every single ethics charge of substance" - um, an ethics charge is an ethics charge Newt, substantive or not.

31 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:11:53pm

Is Newt seriously blaming Romney for the GOP's losses in 2006?

32 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:12:09pm

Gingrich: I am the best historian. Mitt Romney is no historian.

33 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:12:50pm

Romney sounds like he's under the clock to throw as many attacks at Gingrich as possible, while Gingrich sounds in control and almost bored.

34 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:13:27pm

this historian schtick is getting old

35 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:13:29pm

re: #21 jamesfirecat

OMG. That's hilarious and awesome. I'm sure I'll find a use for it elsewhere.

36 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:15:39pm

I've been out of the loop for politics this last week..
I missed the clown car. For me..This is fun and a nice diversion

37 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:15:45pm

Crazy fantasizing uncle doesn't daydream.

38 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:15:51pm

Ron, you're wearing the under-30 vote because they think you're promising them legal pot.

39 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:16:16pm

Did anybody else see Santorum earlier not correct a woman who called the president a "self avowed muslim" who had no legal basis to be in government?.

40 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:17:02pm

Run Paul Run! Go for it!

41 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:17:23pm

Did Dr. No seriously just say that he's not an "absolutist?"

42 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:17:31pm

And so, Ron's once again not ruling out a third party run, just "keeping it open."

43 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:17:33pm

re: #39 wozzablog

Why would Santorum want to lose 60% of the GOP vote

44 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:17:44pm

re: #39 wozzablog

Did anybody else see Santorum earlier not correct a woman who called the president a "self avowed muslim" who had no legal basis to be in government?.

It's not his job to correct people when they're wrong. Real Americans let people be ignorant.

Why do you hate America?

///

45 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:18:07pm

Gingrich is fondly mentioning Jesse Helms?

46 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:18:20pm

What does Newt know about working with people?

47 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:18:20pm

Ron Paul remember's Newt's history deferentially than he does. I bet a lot of people do.

48 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:18:33pm

What is it with this crazy obsession with the gold standard? It would be harmful and would lead to economic depression!

49 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:18:54pm

Gingrich: "We could work together a lot better than any one of us could work with Barack Obama." No shit.

50 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:18:59pm

re: #45 freetoken

Gingrich is fondly mentioning Jesse Helms?

Really?

51 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:19:22pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

I am confident of my history skills vs. his.

52 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:19:33pm

Romney trying to slither away from showing his taxes!

53 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:19:36pm

And Romney dissembles from the question on his taxes to ramble on about his tax plan again.

54 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:19:51pm

re: #48 pinkbunny


(Libertarians are crazy)

55 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:20:17pm

"Broaden the base."

Translation: Raise taxes on the poor.

56 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:20:18pm

Eh, Mitt, that isn't what people are going to be talking about.

Broaden the base? I'm assuming he's talking about the poors who need to pay more.

57 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:20:49pm

re: #49 Charles

Gingrich: "We could work together a lot better than any one of us could work with Barack Obama." No shit.

Because the key to a successful Presidency is refusing to work with your political opponents.

58 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:20:55pm

For being a career politician, Mitt Romney is a really shitty politician.

59 Linden Arden  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:21:04pm

Romney Rot - lower my taxes out of fairness!

60 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:21:07pm

"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction." -Jesse Helms 1998

61 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:21:08pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

Why would Santorum want to lose 60% of the GOP vote

found linky

"Santorum: I don't need to correct claim Obama is Muslim"

"It's not my responsibility as a candidate to correct everybody who makes a statement that I disagree with," Santorum said.

Thing is, it's not something to agree or disagree on - Obama is legally the president and he is a Christian.

62 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:21:09pm

re: #52 pinkbunny

Romney trying to slither away from showing his taxes!

Good adjective, lord knows Romney loves to shed his skin whenever he thinks it might help...

63 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:21:26pm

Mitt Romney: "I am proud of the fact that he pays a lot of taxes." Huh?

64 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:21:28pm

Mitt the other day said his tax rate sat around 15%, but he thinks he pays "a lot of taxes."

This rich boy doesn't have a clue what taxes really mean.

65 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:22:11pm

Romney: "A lot of people are out of work; let's let them start paying more taxes because they have jobs again."

I think he missed a step.

66 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:22:15pm

re: #63 Max D. Reinhardt

Mitt Romney: "I am proud of the fact that he pays a lot of taxes." Huh?

///Well when you make as much as I do, even 15% of it would seem to be a lot of money to morlocks like you!

67 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:23:01pm

re: #65 jaunte

Romney: "A lot of people are out of work; let's let them start paying more taxes because they have jobs again."

I think he missed a step.

Jobterpants gnomes.

68 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:23:04pm

Capital Gains tax rate has very little impact on investment rate! We have one of the lower capital gains tax rates vs other countries!

69 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:23:44pm

re: #68 pinkbunny

Capital Gains tax rate has very little impact on investment rate! We have one of the lower capital gains tax rates vs other countries!

Yeah, so think of how much investment we'd have with ZERO capital gains tax!

/

70 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:24:37pm

Wait? Didn't inherit it?
What is it with Republicans thinking that they have done everything by themselves? We've all had help. Some of us more than others.

71 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:24:46pm

Romney: "I was surprised to see people in the Republican Party pick up the weapons of the left." But there's a presidency at stake, man!

72 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:24:54pm

Paul Ryan: "With friends like Newt, who needs the left?"

It's still so true.

73 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:25:19pm

Hooray for destructive Capitalism.

74 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:25:29pm

No taxes for them, jobs in retail for the rest of us.

75 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:25:39pm

re: #71 Charles

Romney: "I was surprised to see people in the Republican Party pick up the weapons of the left." But there's a presidency at stake, man!

"I can't believe they're using the weapons of the Left against me, when they should be used against Newt on his ethic charges!"

76 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:25:46pm

Santorum is out of his depths, talking about finance.

77 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:26:51pm

OK, the totally silent audience is beginning to creep me out. Did they hand out Xanax before the debate?

78 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:27:13pm

re: #71 Charles

Romney: "I was surprised to see people in the Republican Party pick up the weapons of the left." But there's a presidency at stake, man!

Should we not turn the weapons of Chaos against the warp spawned fiends themselves? Pay no attention to the tentacle that I have growing out of my back... at least I hope its my back....

79 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:27:42pm

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Should we not turn the weapons of Chaos against the warp spawned fiends themselves? Pay no attention to the tentacle that I have growing out of my back... at least I hope its my back...

At least I hope that's a tentacle...

80 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:27:45pm

Ooh booh hooh Newt, it's so sad when it gets personal and nasty! You'd never do that!

81 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:27:50pm

re: #77 Charles

Did they not allow in the Paulbots?

82 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:28:04pm

ROMNEY BOT DEMANDS LOBBYHISTORY.DLL

83 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:28:25pm

No, Newt wasn't a lobbyist, because it was illegal. No, he was just a "consultant" who told Republicans on the Hill how they should vote to help Freddie/Frannie.

And the NYT article he just cited? Yeah, the subject of it was how he was advising Republicans to go ahead and vote against TARP, because it was going to pass anyway.

84 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:28:29pm

Legalistic historian defense.

85 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:28:55pm

Newt looks like he is ready to go nuclear

86 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:29:43pm

Will the other 2 be allowed to talk

87 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:29:43pm

re: #79 erik_t

At least I hope that's a tentacle...

Nah, James is just happy to see me.

88 funky chicken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:29:59pm

re: #77 Charles

OK, the totally silent audience is beginning to creep me out. Did they hand out Xanax before the debate?

Damnitall, I shoulda gone after all.

89 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:30:09pm

what another one? are they rejected from tv now?

90 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:30:10pm

re: #85 pinkbunny

Aww, I don't want Gingrich to implode.

Not yet at least.

91 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:30:12pm

re: #86 SpaceJesus

Will the other 2 be allowed to talk

Not on this planet.

92 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:30:31pm

So Mitt attacks Freddie Mac for "doing bad", why open himself up to the vulture capitalist line of attack?

93 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:30:46pm

Nope, Bain didn't work with the government...just relied upon government handouts and bailouts to save their investments.

94 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:30:46pm

This is a regulated debate?

95 webevintage  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:30:52pm

OMG! I think the audience just woke up....for a second.

96 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:31:20pm

Newt's on the defensive.

97 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:31:23pm
Youtube Video
98 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:31:29pm

re: #94 SpaceJesus

They put the cone of silence over the audience.

99 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:31:30pm

Hey Friend

100 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:32:09pm

Newt serenading the over 65 crowd, and painting Romney as leading the death panel for old folks

101 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:32:10pm

Walking is for poor people, Newt.

102 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:32:12pm

re: #96 Max D. Reinhardt

Newt's on the defensive.

Good. Just following you peeps.

103 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:32:14pm

Gingrich just had a brain freeze. Several agonizing seconds of dead air.

104 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:32:20pm

Medicare D may have helped people - why not have the stones to tax people to pay for it?

105 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:32:30pm

re: #87 wozzablog

Nah, James is just happy to see me.

No that's just the fact that I recently bound a demon of Slaanesh within my body it makes me very happy to see everyone.... and certain farm animals... and inanimate objects...

106 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:32:33pm

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Should we not turn the weapons of Chaos against the warp spawned fiends themselves? Pay no attention to the tentacle that I have growing out of my back... at least I hope its my back...

Only if it's Stormbringer.

Youtube Video
107 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:33:06pm

re: #103 Charles

Gingrich just had a brain freeze. Several agonizing seconds of dead air.

Wonder if that will hurt him like it did Perry.

108 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:33:11pm

re: #103 Charles

As bad as Perry's earlier?

109 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:33:36pm

He says nothing about the donut hole that Obama had to close. Huge problem. Medicare Part D didn't cover all meds for the year.

And guess who knows that the best....

110 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:34:12pm

Oh boy, foreign policy!

I challenge any of the President's detractors to give me one specific difference between George W. Bush's policy towards Iran and Barack Obama's.

111 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:34:19pm

re: #108 ProLifeLiberal

As bad as Perry's earlier?

It was a measured pause... Newt was able to continue firing afterwards.

Mitt needs to do better in not stuttering, btw.

112 zora  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:34:20pm

re: #108 ProLifeLiberal

not as bad as perry but mitt had him speechless for a few seconds. mitt has a new debate coach and it shows.

113 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:34:41pm

re: #108 ProLifeLiberal

As bad as Perry's earlier?

Image: rick_perry_is_not_ashamed.jpg

114 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:34:56pm

If NBC wanted to spice up the ratings of this snoozefest they would send a message to Williams to start asking some science questions.

115 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:35:09pm

re: #110 Max D. Reinhardt

Oh boy, foreign policy!

I challenge any of the President's detractors to give me one specific difference between George W. Bush's policy towards Iran and Barack Obama's.

Obama killed OBL, that's the difference :)

116 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:35:22pm

If anyone paid money to watch this debate, they should ask for their money back. This is mind-numbingly boring. They could have had just shown a recycled debate

117 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:35:30pm

I was hoping that the mask would come off Gingrich and we could see the troll underneath. (if you look closely around the neck line, you can see where the glue is getting loose)

RBS

118 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:36:02pm

I don't get it. Did I just watch the GOP lecture about the problems of lobbying?

119 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:36:09pm

I don't think that whole Newt debating Obama is going to go the way some Republicans think it will.

120 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:36:28pm

re: #111 freetoken

It was a measured pause... Newt was able to continue firing afterwards.

Mitt needs to do better in not stuttering, btw.

everytime he does that, I think is this it, is this when he starts crying about people being mean to him?

121 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:36:52pm

re: #118 SpaceJesus

I don't get it. Did I just watch the GOP lecture about the problems of lobbying?

It was all a computer simulation.

122 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:37:00pm

re: #115 marjoriemoon

Obama killed OBL, that's the difference :)

Bin Laden was hiding in Iran?

I challenge any of the President's detractors to give me one specific difference between George W. Bush's policy towards Iran and Barack Obama's.

123 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:37:35pm

The housing boom wasn't just due to Fannie and Freddie.

124 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:38:12pm

re: #121 freetoken

It was all a computer simulation.

Maybe they are actually automation from Disney... I for one welcome our robotic overlords

RBS

125 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:38:12pm

The bubble in housing prices has more to do with greed than anything else.

126 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:38:47pm

re: #122 Max D. Reinhardt

Bin Laden was hiding in Iran?

Ah, I was thinking of the War on Terror as a whole. But it's all the same crap as far as the criticism of Obama is concerned.

127 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:39:07pm

This tax stuff is killing me.. It is so complicated...After hours of being with my late father's lawyer and tons of paperwork..It's messed up.
The only thing I remember is that I'm not taxed at all on the first 100,000 dollars..After that..It's really a lawyers paradise and I'm dumping the whole shit load of paperwork on my lawyers desk..
There is no freaking reason for this..

128 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:39:23pm

Santorum - no bailouts and let capitalism work.

He has no clue at all about how bad things would have got if the banks were not guaranteed.

129 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:39:40pm

"20% down-payment on your house. In gold."

130 webevintage  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:40:07pm

re: #123 freetoken

The housing boom wasn't just due to Fannie and Freddie.

It's easier to blame then unregulated derivatives that no one understands.

131 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:40:18pm

re: #126 marjoriemoon

Ah, I was thinking of the War on Terror as a whole. But it's all the same crap as far as the criticism of Obama is concerned.

As far as the so-called "War on Terror" goes, Barack Obama has done things that would make Dick Cheney blush. There's no way he can honestly run as a civil libertarian this time around.

132 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:40:19pm

Everyone acts like they all saw the forclosure crisis happening a mile away ! What a joke!

133 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:40:20pm

re: #123 freetoken

The housing boom wasn't just due to Fannie and Freddie.

And the boom wasn't as much a problem as the crash was, which had a lot to due with mortgage derivatives and repackaged worthless tranches. And that's all the work free market capitalism.

134 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:40:35pm

"IN SECRET"

Nasty FED.

135 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:40:46pm

Were credit default swaps a figment of our imagination?

136 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:41:13pm

see mitt
see mitt lose
lose, mitt, lose

see newt
see newt lie
lie, newt, lie

see mitt attack newt
see newt smile
newt likes being attacked

137 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:41:23pm

stupid fed acting in secret so it doesn't cause speculation crises dozens of times per year

138 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:41:33pm

Dodd-Frank! DRINK!

139 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:41:41pm

re: #127 HoosierHoops

First, from a new poster but a long-time lurker, I'm sorry for your loss.

The big drama in your circumstance will be the determination of basis for the applicable assets. You mentioned being somewhat unaware of his financial holdings, so in all likelihood you won't be anywhere near the wealth transfer tax.

140 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:41:41pm

re: #110 Max D. Reinhardt

Oh boy, foreign policy!

I challenge any of the President's detractors to give me one specific difference between George W. Bush's policy towards Iran and Barack Obama's.

Barack Obama is a Seekrit Mooslim!

141 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:42:09pm

Mitt, "housing" is the "economy". Housing was the basis of the "growth" of the 2000's.

142 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:42:14pm

re: #131 Max D. Reinhardt

Barack Obama has done things that would make Dick Cheney blush. There's no way he can honestly run as a civil libertarian this time around.

Why not? He's protecting his country which is what is expected of him. And civil liberties protect us so I think it's just fine.

143 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:42:52pm

...

144 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:43:02pm

Wait, now Romney's in favor of regulating the banks?

145 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:43:25pm

Not enough regulation, plus it was burdensome.

146 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:43:32pm

Too much regulation

147 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:43:46pm

re: #131 Max D. Reinhardt

Barack Obama has done things that would make Dick Cheney blush. There's no way he can honestly run as a civil libertarian this time around.

Oh, please.

148 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:43:48pm

newt: i invoke the free market fairy

just give her what she wants and she'll fix everything with her magic wand

149 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:43:50pm

"we need new lending regulations" - a GOP candidate just now

150 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:44:29pm

weird shit going on in florida

151 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:44:35pm

re: #142 marjoriemoon

Why not? He's protecting his country which is what is expected of him. And civil liberties protect us so I think it's just fine.

Yes, we are safer than we were before 9/11. However, Obama promised to close Gitmo. He didn't. In fact, he opened a second Gitmo at Bagram Air Force Base were people are detained indefinitely without charges.

152 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:44:48pm

re: #143 Charleston Chew

Also truer.

I misread your post. Nevermind.

153 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:45:04pm

re: #149 SpaceJesus

"we need new lending regulations" - a GOP candidate just now

Translation: "We need new rules to keep the poor and middle class from borrowing anything. Leave the banks for the rich, like it's supposed to be."

154 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:45:06pm

oooh Fidel's going to hell!

155 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:45:23pm

A Cuban Spring? Really?

156 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:45:42pm

You dopes - would any of you welcome them INTO the nation!?!

157 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:45:45pm

re: #151 Max D. Reinhardt

Yes, we are safer than we were before 9/11. However, Obama promised to close Gitmo. He didn't. In fact, he opened a second Gitmo at Bagram Air Force Base were people are detained indefinitely without charges.

Obama tried to do everything he could to close Gitmo but the people in Congress wouldn't go for it. How would you Close Gitmo if you were president?

158 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:45:54pm

Newt thinks it's 1962.

159 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:45:55pm

So people wanting to be free from Mexican drug-wars = bad.
Cubans = good.
Reagan = Drink!!!

160 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:45:58pm

we are going to build pope missiles

161 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:46:03pm

I'm baffled. They're discussing Cuban policy but I bet they won't say a word about fixing America's decrepit education system in tonight's debate.

162 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:46:05pm

re: #155 Max D. Reinhardt

A Cuban Spring? Really?

They have to find a way to kiss up to the Cuban population in Florida.

163 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:46:19pm

newt is insane.

164 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:46:29pm

oh, so now we are going to use covert ops to destabilize Cuba. Can't we get some adults PLEASE????

RBS

165 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:46:39pm

oh hell yes paul is about to do his crazy thing

166 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:46:48pm

re: #161 Max D. Reinhardt

Wait - this is foreign policy, right? Why talk about education now?

167 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:46:52pm

re: #163 Major Tom

newt is insane.

He's also gaining on Mitt nationally. He could end up the GOP nominee.

168 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:47:01pm

Is Ron Paul really equating a tinpot dictator like Fidel Castro to the Soviet Union?

169 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:47:24pm

re: #157 jamesfirecat

Obama tried to do everything he could to close Gitmo but the people in Congress wouldn't go for it. How would you Close Gitmo if you were president?

Exactly!! Congress won't give the funding to close them, and they can't agree to even decide which prison to send them to.

No one wants them in their backyard.

170 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:47:25pm

That was shit you hear at a bar after a few rounds

171 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:47:38pm

re: #164 RealityBasedSteve

oh, so now we are going to use covert ops to destabilize Cuba. Can't we get some adults PLEASE???

RBS

Now's the perfect time to assassinate Castro, when he's so vulnerable from being almost dead.

172 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:47:40pm

Ta-Nehisi Coates @tanehisi
Aw man, here comes one of those sane Ron Paul moments...

173 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:47:55pm

santorum has no idea

174 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:05pm

re: #151 Max D. Reinhardt

Yes, we are safer than we were before 9/11. However, Obama promised to close Gitmo. He didn't. In fact, he opened a second Gitmo at Bagram Air Force Base were people are detained indefinitely without charges.

If you give me about 20 minutes, I could probably come up with at least 5, probably 10 names of AlQueda who are 6 feet under because of him up to and INCLUDING their leader who has been terrorizing the world for some 20 odd years and not one freakin Republican will give him that. So with all due respect, I don't want to hear about Gitmo.

175 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:11pm

Mitt looks at Santorum like, WTF?

176 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:28pm

I think it's time to let Cuba return to a great vacation place again.

177 BishopX  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:37pm

re: #127 HoosierHoops

This tax stuff is killing me.. It is so complicated...After hours of being with my late father's lawyer and tons of paperwork..It's messed up.
The only thing I remember is that I'm not taxed at all on the first 100,000 dollars..After that..It's really a lawyers paradise and I'm dumping the whole shit load of paperwork on my lawyers desk..
There is no freaking reason for this..

HoosierHoops, I cannot recommend getting a good CPA highly enough. Lawyers are great for figuring law, but they're not tax specialists. If you're dad's stuff is half as complicated as I recall you talking about (land leases, multiple properties, possibly a pile of stocks/bonds divided among multiple parties...) your lawyer may very well be outgunned. Get someone who deals with stuff full time. It makes a tremendous difference.

178 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:47pm

re: #155 Max D. Reinhardt

A Cuban Spring? Really?

can i get two of those with dark rum?

179 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:50pm

re: #169 pinkbunny

Exactly!! Congress won't give the funding to close them, and they can't agree to even decide which prison to send them to.

No one wants them in their backyard.

No prison on US soil can contain the super-mutant terrorists.

180 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:52pm

Iran! DRINK!

181 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:53pm

re: #168 Max D. Reinhardt

Is Ron Paul really equating a tinpot dictator like Fidel Castro to the Soviet Union?

Well, duh. They're both commies.

///

182 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:53pm

where do these guys get their info?

183 Coracle  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:49:22pm

Jihadists in Cuba!

184 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:49:30pm

re: #176 justaminute

I think it's time to let Cuba return to a great vacation place again.

and reparations to the mafia for everything they lost when castro took over

185 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:03pm

It is absurd that the U.S. won't talk to Cuba. So what if it's a communist nation run by a dictator. The U.S. has a history of working with dictators south of the Union.

186 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:04pm

Here comes bomb Iran!

187 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:11pm

Mitt: We have space, air and the seas... I will get the land!

188 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:17pm

we must defeat the al qaeda armada

189 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:24pm

The USSR supported Castro. He was hurting big time after the fall.

190 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:28pm

Santorum goes back to basics and logic smacks Ron Paul over Cuba. The problem is that it does not get him any major gain against the big boys.

191 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:31pm

Did I fall asleep and wake up in 1980?

192 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:52pm

re: #185 eclectic infidel

It is absurd that the U.S. won't talk to Cuba. So what if it's a communist nation run by a dictator. The U.S. has a history of working with dictators south of the Union.

Yes, but those were OUR dictators.

RBS

193 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:50:59pm

Newt's 4th personality surfaces.

194 Coracle  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:51:01pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

That was logic?

195 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:51:09pm

Someone tell Mitt that navies have changed a lot since 1917...

196 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:51:19pm

re: #176 justaminute

I think it's time to let Cuba return to a great vacation place again.

Honestly? Lift the embargo. Let Americans go there and spend money. We're one of two countries in the world that don't allow people to travel to Cuba. It makes no goddamn sense anymore. It's just a Cold War relic.

197 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:51:22pm

Wait...the Jihadists who perpetrated the acts on 9/11 were Afghani?

198 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:51:41pm

re: #195 JasonA

Someone tell Mitt that navies have changed a lot since 1917...

Cruiser Gap!!!

//

199 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:51:53pm

re: #185 eclectic infidel

It is absurd that the U.S. won't talk to Cuba. So what if it's a communist nation run by a dictator. The U.S. has a history of working with dictators south of the Union.

Because you don't work/negotiate with a dictatorship ever.

200 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:51:58pm

Newt is definitely going for the Macho President image.

201 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:06pm

re: #185 eclectic infidel

It is absurd that the U.S. won't talk to Cuba. So what if it's a communist nation run by a dictator.

Sort of like one of our largest trading partners.

202 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:16pm

re: #180 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Iran! DRINK!

When the moderator asks the question about Iran, the candidates have to mention the issue.

203 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:18pm

GEEZE!!!! When you position a carrier task force off the coast, I hardly think that's showing weakness.

RBS

204 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:22pm

Stealth jihadis are in Cuba! We're doomed!

205 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:43pm

Unless we elect Mitt Romney, of course.

206 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:47pm

yeah, let's have ANOTHER surge in Afghanistan and see if it works this time

207 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:51pm

this iran statement by newt will be conveniently forgotten when obama bombs iran after they close the strait

208 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:51pm

re: #199 marjoriemoon

Our history says otherwise.

209 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:55pm

re: #195 JasonA

Someone tell Mitt that navies have changed a lot since 1917...

He's already been awarded the Politifact PANTS ON FIRE for that one:

Mitt Romney says U.S. Navy is smallest since 1917, Air Force is smallest since 1947

Best quote from their analysis:

"If Mr. Romney wants a truly stark example of diminished military capability, he should compare today’s horse cavalry to that in 1917, or even 1941 when there were still 15 active horse-cavalry regiments in the Army. Today there has been total disarmament of horse cavalry,’ he might say, ‘leaving our nation defenseless in this regard.’ His chosen comparisons are almost as absurd."

210 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:53:11pm

They could have just all sent int a memo saying it's all Barack Obama's fault!

211 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:53:13pm

re: #201 jaunte

Ding ding ding!

Thank you.

212 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:53:27pm

re: #195 JasonA

Someone tell Mitt that navies have changed a lot since 1917...

Yes, but you still need enough ships to cover the areas you need to cover. You need to build ships. Mitt is right on that score.

213 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:53:41pm

re: #208 eclectic infidel

Our history says otherwise.

Yes it does, but it's a huge mistake and never works well, which I think is also in our history.

214 Henchman 26  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:53:46pm

re: #196 Lidane

Honestly? Lift the embargo. Let Americans go there and spend money. We're one of two countries in the world that don't allow people to travel to Cuba. It makes no goddamn sense anymore. It's just a Cold War relic.

Probably not a good idea. Canada has an open relationship with Cuba and look how commie Canada is.

215 funky chicken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:53:53pm

re: #163 Major Tom

newt is insane.

Yes, yes he is.

216 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:53:53pm

Ron Paul says something that makes sense and then just veers off into nuttiness. Though this tangent about Iran is pretty OK.

217 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:54:18pm

re: #213 marjoriemoon

Working well with China.

218 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:54:25pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but you still need enough ships to cover the areas you need to cover. You need to build ships. Mitt is right on that score.

How many ships are necessary?

219 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:54:31pm

Just sayin.

220 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:54:46pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Maybe if we got rid of a lot of the bloated defense contracts that the Pentagon doesn't want, we might be able to modernize the military.

221 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:55:14pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but you still need enough ships to cover the areas you need to cover. You need to build ships. Mitt is right on that score.

Dark how much do you know about the navy, because how do you know we don't have enough ships to cover the area we need to cover?

222 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:55:23pm

re: #216 Bunky Bunk

Ron Paul says something that makes sense and then just veers off into nuttiness. Though this tangent about Iran is pretty OK.

...and if the rest of them are marching to war in Iran, does that make him the sane one? Has the world gone mad?

223 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:55:24pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but you still need enough ships to cover the areas you need to cover. You need to build ships. Mitt is right on that score.

No. He's not.

224 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:55:55pm

Ron Paul has an amazing ability to sound totally sensible and utterly insane in the same sentence.

225 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:55:55pm

We won World War quickly? At over 3 1/2/ years in length, I wouldn't call our involvement in that war "quick". But then again, this is crazy uncle Ron we're talking about. He's knows enough about WWII to avoid a "Blutarsky Moment", but that's about it.

226 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:55:58pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but you still need enough ships to cover the areas you need to cover. You need to build ships. Mitt is right on that score.

Even if you had enough, you always need to build be building more at some nonzero rate. Naval shipbuilding is an industry that requires a certain minimum cash influx to remain worthwhile to the private companies that ply the trade. That capability is functionally impossible to rebuild once it's gone.

Same reason we like to buy military aircraft approximately alternately between Boeing and Lockheed-Martin.

227 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:56:27pm

re: #157 jamesfirecat

Obama tried to do everything he could to close Gitmo but the people in Congress wouldn't go for it. How would you Close Gitmo if you were president?

Don't close it. Just declare them all criminals not POW's, move all the prisoners to Supermax by executive order and sort them out there using the Federal Court system. Keep Gitmo as it was prior to this mess.

228 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:56:42pm

Need more submarines to scour the ocean floor for that secret Jihadi base

229 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:57:11pm

re: #228 SpaceJesus

Need more submarines to scour the ocean floor for that secret Jihadi base

I know! And where to begin!?!?!

230 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:57:22pm

re: #228 SpaceJesus

Need more submarines to scour the ocean floor for that secret Jihadi base

And for the perfect location to build Rapture!

///

231 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:57:48pm

you can't rapture under that much water...

232 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:57:51pm

re: #217 eclectic infidel

Working well with China.

I've been to China. It is not working well. It may be a bit better than it was, but those people suffer, too. And they have little personal freedom. Same as Cubans.

You can buy on the black market and get whatever you want in both countries, but you risk imprisonment or worse.

233 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:57:53pm

re: #229 eclectic infidel

Woodrow Wilson would have acknowledged the danger it presents

234 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:58:11pm

lets give them kittens. Even jihadis love kittens.

(Not) RBS

235 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:58:19pm

re: #231 Major Tom

you can't rapture under that much water...

Andrew Ryan thinks you can!

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:58:33pm

re: #196 Lidane

Honestly? Lift the embargo. Let Americans go there and spend money. We're one of two countries in the world that don't allow people to travel to Cuba. It makes no goddamn sense anymore. It's just a Cold War relic.

And that money will cause a Czech style revolution faster than anything else.

237 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:58:46pm

re: #235 jamesfirecat

Andrew Ryan thinks you can!

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

238 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:58:48pm

re: #220 Lidane

Maybe if we got rid of a lot of the bloated defense contracts that the Pentagon doesn't want, we might be able to modernize the military.

If you've got a way to reform the procurement system, I'm listening. I'd actually welcome a positive overhaul of procurement policy.

239 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:59:54pm

Do we really need to discuss the strategy of an Iranian invasion??

240 Henchman 26  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:00:12pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

If you've got a way to reform the procurement system, I'm listening. I'd actually welcome a positive overhaul of procurement policy.

Rock, paper, scissors. Best out of three.

241 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:00:17pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but you still need enough ships to cover the areas you need to cover. You need to build ships. Mitt is right on that score.

The shrinking of ships didn't happen over night. That's the dumbest thing that Mitt has ever said.

This has been a decades of reorganization in the navy! And it's been to trade off smaller ships and frigates for nuclear submarines and air-craft carriers.

It's better to spend our money on something we can actually use, as opposed to just spending to build up for the sake of it!

242 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:00:24pm

Mitt Romney says Hezbollah in Latin America poses an imminent threat to the United States
Mostly False

243 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:00:27pm

re: #239 JasonA

Do we really need to discuss the strategy of an Iranian invasion??

Can't go wrong with a little right-wing gun wank.

244 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:00:31pm

re: #235 jamesfirecat

The parasites say NO!

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:00:46pm

re: #39 wozzablog

Did anybody else see Santorum earlier not correct a woman who called the president a "self avowed muslim" who had no legal basis to be in government?.

Santorum fails the McCain Decency Test.

246 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:00:50pm

Just once id like to see someone ask Newt "If your own wives couldnt trust you why should we?

247 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:00:50pm

I'm guessing Obama is going to run pictures of a dead OBL in every ad. He should anyway. Santorum can kiss my patoot.

248 Coracle  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:01:07pm

We're already at war with Iran, according to Santorum.

249 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:01:16pm

re: #239 JasonA

the old people who vote in the primaries aren't going to be fighting it

250 Coracle  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:01:55pm

Santorum's problem with Iran is that they beat us to theocracy.

251 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:01:56pm

Wait, was it badly regulated banks or oil prices that killed the economy in '08? I'm getting confused.

252 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:02:11pm

re: #243 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Can't go wrong with a little right-wing gun wank.

The next debate should feature the candidates trying to win a war in Iran using an Avalon Hill style game.

253 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:02:20pm

"is it worth the risk?"
santorum: ...yes

254 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:02:39pm

re: #231 Major Tom

you can't rapture under that much water...

It's a Bioshock reference, not a religious one. :)

255 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:02:47pm

Santorum in major denial.

Will we get some climate change questions?

256 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:02:49pm

Somewhere Sarah Palin is touching herself.

257 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:02:56pm

Doesn't all oil drilled/refined have to go into the OPEC pool first?

258 webevintage  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:02:59pm

I'd really like to see Santorum repeat on national TV that he thinks states should be able to ban contraceptives.

259 austin_blue  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:03:11pm

re: #252 JasonA

The next debate should feature the candidates trying to win a war in Iran using an Avalon Hill style game.

God I loved those games.

260 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:03:24pm

re: #228 SpaceJesus

Need more submarines to scour the ocean floor for that secret Jihadi base

No, we need more because China a Russia are building more. If another nation is building more subs of better quality than before while you do not improve your overall force power, then you are getting weaker.

And as erik_t just pointed out, we'll always building subs, at least at a low rate. Not even Carter stopped submarine construction, because it's something that you will lose it if you shut it down.

261 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:03:47pm

Note: Evaluations of the continental shelf around Florida do not indicate that it would be a major oil production area.

But don't let geology be confused with the GOP "debate".

262 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:04:02pm

Newt is a moron. I'd just like to point that out.

Let's print everything in 86 languages then!

263 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:04:13pm

re: #256 marjoriemoon

Somewhere Sarah Palin is touching herself.

well, there goes MY appetite for dinner. thanks.

RBS

264 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:04:15pm

re: #242 jaunte

Mitt Romney says Hezbollah in Latin America poses an imminent threat to the United States
Mostly False

Isn't that the same nonsense that some batshit congress critter from California was selling? She had some conspiracy theory about Iranian agents in Venezuela trying to pass themselves off as illegal Mexican immigrants or some shit.

265 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:04:22pm

"First of all, I'm going to tell you how wrong you are to ask that question, then segue into a cloud of related oratory until everyone forgets the original question. And why do you hate national unity?"

266 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:04:23pm

Three or four hundred languages? Ok, you name the first 150.

267 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:04:48pm

re: #263 RealityBasedSteve

well, there goes MY appetite for dinner. thanks.

RBS

DRILL BABY DRILL!

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:04:59pm

re: #164 RealityBasedSteve

oh, so now we are going to use covert ops to destabilize Cuba. Can't we get some adults PLEASE???

RBS

If we were going to use covert ops to destabilize Cuba, shouldn't we have been doing that, like, forty years ago?

269 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:05:52pm

will this make cubans question their loyalty to republicans?

prolly not...

270 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:08pm

re: #233 SpaceJesus

Woodrow Wilson would have acknowledged the danger it presents

Well, he's a better American than I. That sounds weird doesn't it?
/

271 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:11pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

If we were going to use covert ops to destabilize Cuba, shouldn't we have been doing that, like, forty years ago?

I....thought we tried that and it failed miserably.

272 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:20pm

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

No, we need more because China a Russia are building more. If another nation is building more subs of better quality than before while you do not improve your overall force power, then you are getting weaker.

And as erik_t just pointed out, we'll always building subs, at least at a low rate. Not even Carter stopped submarine construction, because it's something that you will lose it if you shut it down.

Has Obama toned down sub production noticeably DF?

273 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:26pm

Ron Paul: I don't like the idea of telling people what to do. But yes, one language.

274 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:42pm

What would a GOP debate be without xenophobia?

275 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:44pm

My quota for bullshit has been reached

Good night all

276 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:52pm

"We love you, HIspanic people. But shut the hell up!"
- the GOP

277 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:55pm

So the illegals can serve, but not the Gays. OK.

278 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:06:58pm

re: #250 Coracle

Santorum's problem with Iran is that they beat us to theocracy.

That and they have the wrong kind of theocracy. Same goes for Saudi Arabia.

279 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:07:13pm

re: #274 Charles

What would a GOP debate be without xenophobia?

Rational.

280 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:07:16pm

davidfrum @davidfrum

Now Keystone pipeline is domestic sources! This is a big night for Canadian imperialism

281 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:07:26pm

re: #271 EmmmieG

I...thought we tried that and it failed miserably.

Several times, alongside a long list of wacky ideas of how to either kill him or overthrow his government.

282 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:07:30pm

davidaxelrod David Axelrod
Note to Mitt: there are more active Naval ships today than there were when President Obama took office.

283 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:07:42pm

I think one language is a good idea, and it should be Pig Latin.

Ese-thay uys-gay are all ucking-fay uts-nay.

284 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:01pm

Romney clarifies: he wouldn't sign the DREAM Act unless they agree to be cannon fodder.

285 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:08pm

Something's missing here...did they gag the audience and tie their hands together? It's so quiet.

286 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:08pm

now listen for the sound of wingnut heads popping. Newt is giving his version of amnesty.

RBS

287 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:17pm

Self deportation? Whu?

288 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:19pm

re: #276 marjoriemoon

"We love you, HIspanic people. But shut the hell up Now speak English!"
- the GOP

289 Jerk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:22pm

Self-deportation. Haha.

"My family needs money and I risked my life to get here, but gosh darn it, it's wrong!"

290 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:24pm

re: #274 Charles

What would a GOP debate be without xenophobia?

Total, blessed silence. What would they have to talk about?

291 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:27pm

re: #272 jamesfirecat

Has Obama toned down sub production noticeably DF?

The Virginia-class building program experienced at least a temporary blip below the two-sub-per-year rate that is (charitably) the minimum needed to keep both GE Electric Boats and Newport News S&DC in profitable and non-stupidly-wasteful operation.

292 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:49pm

Self-deport?

293 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:53pm

re: #283 BongCrodny

I think one language is a good idea, and it should be Pig Latin.

Ese-thay uys-gay are all ucking-fay uts-nay.

Nah, Esperanto.

294 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:08:55pm

re: #252 JasonA

The next debate should feature the candidates trying to win a war in Iran using an Avalon Hill style game.

There are several in my gaming group who'd cheerfully serve as the OpFor. And we've got enough such people who are telegenic enough to appear on national TV. Heck, give me a week's notice and I could be one of them (the week is for me to not eat, so as to shrink a bit and put on my best appearance).

295 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:09:08pm

What was that tweet? "Immigration policy that includes Cubans?" No one knows about wet foot, dry foot?

296 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:09:31pm

re: #293 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, Esperanto.

Pirate!

297 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:09:43pm

If they can get the minimum wage down low enough, they won't care about immigration status.

298 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:10:01pm

re: #295 marjoriemoon

What was that tweet? "Immigration policy that includes Cubans?" No one knows about wet foot, dry foot?

It's like Perry and Cain never left the race.

299 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:10:05pm

Naval construction, especially on the nuclear side, is characterized by very-long-lead-time items and as such it's pretty hard to ascribe praise or blame to any individual policymaker. Just bringin' the facts, yo.

300 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:10:23pm

re: #287 BongCrodny

Self deporation? Whu?

What the hell is self-deportation?

301 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:10:28pm

re: #259 austin_blue

God I loved those games.

Me too.

I still have all the counters for Squad Leader and its extensions. Most of the maps and scenario cards disappeared while I was sick and they were in storage at my parent's place.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:10:31pm

re: #271 EmmmieG

I...thought we tried that and it failed miserably.

Well, we did, but why should we think it would go well now?

303 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:10:52pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, we did, but why should we think it would go well now?

Moon beams?

304 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:11:05pm

Obama HAS ENFORCED the law. He's deported more people than any president. And that is not a good thing. Hardworking, law abiding citizens are being deported.

IMO someone should have deported the candidates' relatives and we wouldn't have this problem today.

305 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:11:11pm

re: #291 erik_t

The Virginia-class building program experienced at least a temporary blip below the two-sub-per-year rate that is (charitably) the minimum needed to keep both GE Electric Boats and Newport News S&DC in profitable and non-stupidly-wasteful operation.

Thank you for responding directly to my question even if I don't like (but have to accept) the answer.

306 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:11:34pm

maddow Rachel Maddow MSNBC
I'm #selfdeporting to the 4th floor kitchen at 30 Rock for a coke. BRB.

307 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:11:53pm

re: #300 Lidane

What the hell is self-deportation?

I'm not sure, but I think a corollary would be volunteering to pay extra taxes.

308 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:11:59pm

Get rid of subsidies? Please quote Mitt on that and hold him to that.

309 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:12:14pm

OMG... They are caught in a time warp, and have stopped talking.

310 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:12:23pm

Check the boxes, Mitt.

311 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:12:31pm

Maybe the space coast is failing because anti-science nuts like to defund NASA.

312 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:12:50pm

re: #304 marjoriemoon

Obama HAS ENFORCED the law. He's deported more people than any president. And that is not a good thing. Hardworking, law abiding citizens are being deported.

IMO someone should have deported the candidates' relatives and we wouldn't have this problem today.

Mitt's left voluntarily.

313 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:12:56pm

When Mitt Romney becomes President, everybody will work for Staples.

314 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:13:13pm

A Greece type collapse? Now that is stupid, Mr. Romney.

315 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:13:19pm

he plays golf

no sale, mitt. newt is way better at potty mouth

316 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:13:20pm

re: #313 BongCrodny

Don't forget Sports Authority.

317 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:13:33pm

90 rounds of golf when 25 million people are out of work?

Should I even bother to fact check it?

318 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:13:56pm

Let's "theoretically" save the Everglades, not monetarily however.

319 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:14:13pm

re: #317 BigPapa

90 rounds of golf when 25 million people are out of work?

Should I even bother to fact check it?

Rush said it first, so you probably should.

320 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:14:27pm

Brian Williams: "Shit, I drew the short straw again?"

321 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:14:31pm

It's not as fun without Perry or Cain.

322 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:14:38pm

re: #313 BongCrodny

When Mitt Romney becomes President, everybody will work for Staples.

I'll self-deport!!!

323 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:14:42pm

re: #317 BigPapa

90 rounds of golf when 25 million people are out of work?

Should I even bother to fact check it?

No, but we could check it against how many hours Bush spent clearing brush riding a bicycle and so on and so forth...

324 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:14:58pm

re: #318 marjoriemoon

Let's "theoretically" save the Everglades, not monetarily however.

Mitt would fire all of the alligators for being inefficient.

325 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:15:00pm

@thinkprogress
Solution to the crime problem: self-incarceration

326 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:15:09pm

re: #272 jamesfirecat

Has Obama toned down sub production noticeably DF?

The comment was more aimed at SJ's snark, James, rather than any actions of Obama. We need more sub construction, but its not a critical problem at this time.

327 Max  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:15:27pm

This is Ron Paul's game: whenever he's asked if he would cut a program that isn't exactly in line with libertarian doctrine, he just points out that we're still at war and says we should cut that.

He's trying to have it both ways. Keep the impressionable potheads and his independent and Democratic supporters in line.

328 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:15:33pm

what is mitt not doing?

making a dent in newt's lead

at this point it's newt's party to lead over the edge of the cliff

329 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:15:52pm

Maybe we could get corporate sponsors for the Everglades. "This Alligator sponsored by Nivia Hand Lotion"

RBS

330 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:15:58pm

Full employment: human chain guarding the borders.

331 BishopX  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:16:09pm

re: #317 BigPapa

90 rounds of golf when 25 million people are out of work?

Should I even bother to fact check it?

90 rounds of golf over 3 years...that's 30 rounds per year...so two rounds and change per month...keep in mind that he a boehner negotiate over golf...not unreasonable.

332 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:16:24pm

Hehehe.. I want a self-deport button. Sounds so futuristic, doesn't it? Just press this button and ZAP, you're thrust into another time-space-continuum.

333 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:16:43pm

re: #317 BigPapa

90 rounds of golf when 25 million people are out of work?

Should I even bother to fact check it?

Bush had three times more vacation than Obama - and he had two hot wars going on.

334 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:17:06pm

re: #332 marjoriemoon

Hehehe.. I want a self-deport button. Sounds so futuristic, doesn't it? Just press this button and ZAP, you're thrust into another time-space-continuum.

'That was Easy'

RBS

335 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:17:17pm

re: #317 BigPapa

re: #328 engineer dog

what is mitt not doing?

making a dent in newt's lead

at this point it's newt's party to lead over the edge of the cliff

I suppose, Mitt started really aggressively, maybe he burned himself out in the first mile.

336 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:17:20pm

re: #305 jamesfirecat

Thank you for responding directly to my question even if I don't like (but have to accept) the answer.

I know why you don't like it, but I'm glad to see you accept it. That's a big step towards maturity, James.

337 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:17:26pm

re: #330 jaunte

Full employment: human chain guarding the borders.

Full Employment? Sounds Socialist to me!

338 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:17:28pm

Mitt complains about Obama not having a plan for NASA... this in conjunction with him complaining about the "stimulus" package not creating "private sector" jobs.

Um... Mitt... NASA is part of the government and the jobs are government jobs... so if you want to grow NASA that means more government jobs.

My head hurtz.

339 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:17:36pm

re: #327 Max D. Reinhardt

This is Ron Paul's game: whenever he's asked if he would cut a program that isn't exactly in line with libertarian doctrine, he just points out that we're still at war and says we should cut that.

He's trying to have it both ways. Keep the impressionable potheads and his independent and Democratic supporters in line.

Or "review handing it to the relevant state"

341 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:18:15pm

...we're back to Terry Schaivo?

342 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:18:36pm

Holy Moley! It's a Terri Schiavo question!

343 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:18:41pm

in memoriam mitt's candidacy:

'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

344 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:01pm

re: #341 JasonA

...we're back to Terry Schaivo?

Seriously? Oh geez.

345 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:03pm

a florida thing maybe?


I'm a floridian and I'm not sure.

346 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:13pm

Isn't that the same time he said (or was it someone else) who said Miami is a 3rd world country?

347 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:15pm

re: #305 jamesfirecat

Thank you for responding directly to my question even if I don't like (but have to accept) the answer.

Without dissemination of truthful information, we are nothing.

348 Henchman 26  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:28pm

re: #317 BigPapa

90 rounds of golf when 25 million people are out of work?

Should I even bother to fact check it?

Had he shortened the number of rounds to 45, I'm sure that fewer than 13 million people would be out of work. There is a well known correlation between the number of golf rounds the POTUS plays and the number of American unemployed.

There is no way jobs going to China, India, Indonesia and Taiwan has anything to do with it, and the collapse of the monetary system because of poor regulations and unfettered greed is just coincidence.

349 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:41pm

Can anyone confirm that Rick didn't visit her? Mother Jones referenced a supposed visit to her bedside but didn't source the claim.

350 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:42pm

re: #331 BishopX

90 rounds of golf over 3 years...that's 30 rounds per year...so two rounds and change per month...keep in mind that he a boehner negotiate over golf...not unreasonable.

Yeah, true.

Not exactly rageworthy.

351 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:52pm

and 3 people clapped ???

Achem... can we move up to 2012 PLEASE.

352 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:19:54pm

re: #335 Bunky Bunk

re: #328 engineer dog

I suppose, Mitt started really aggressively, maybe he burned himself out in the first mile.

attacking newt is always going to get the opposite results from what the attacker wants - he thrives on it

353 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:20:25pm

No Newt, appeals are not automatically reviewed at the federal level in Cap cases.

354 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:20:54pm

Schiavo? WTF?

355 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:20:58pm

re: #352 engineer dog

attacking newt is always going to get the opposite results from what the attacker wants - he thrives on it

So your saying Newt is quicksand?

356 Major Tom  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:21:01pm

End of life planning!!!! ahhh eugenics!!! ahhh!!!

357 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:21:04pm

re: #341 JasonA

...we're back to Terry Schaivo?

ZOMBIE TALKING POINT RISES FROM GRAVE!

358 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:21:09pm

re: #351 marjoriemoon

and 3 people clapped ???

Achem... can we move up to 2012 PLEASE.

You're asking the GOP base to think about the present? Heh.

359 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:21:33pm

re: #352 engineer dog

attacking newt is always going to get the opposite results from what the attacker wants - he thrives on it

It's like throwing mud on a pig or fire at a dragon.

360 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:21:37pm

What a second... coming from the guy who faxed his sick wife with a divorce decree? HELLOOOO

361 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:21:39pm

I was getting a ginger ale. Did Newt just basically affirm the rights to assisted suicide?

RBS

362 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:21:39pm

Ron Paul wants living wills or other wise known as death panels.

363 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:22:06pm

G'night folks.

364 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:22:06pm

re: #359 moderatelyradicalliberal

It's like throwing mud on a pig or fire at a dragon.

So my strategy in Skryim is all wrong?

365 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:22:13pm

Pander express.

366 Henchman 26  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:22:18pm

re: #341 JasonA

...we're back to Terry Schaivo?

re: #342 marjoriemoon

Holy Moley! It's a Terri Schiavo question!

Say what? I thought that issue sailed years ago.

367 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:22:53pm

First, get NASA to stop wasting money on reinventing the wheel.

368 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:23:18pm

The Terri Schiavo insanity was one of the issues that pushed me away from the right wing. These people are deranged.

369 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:23:31pm

anamariecox Ana Marie Cox
REALLY? TERRI SCHIAVO? This debate has been on lifesupport for, like, 70 minutes now.

370 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:23:31pm

Um... Mitt, that is how space exploration is already done.

371 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:23:35pm

Whoa. A republican advocating for science.

372 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:23:50pm

Another strike against Romney.

373 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:23:51pm

re: #364 Bunky Bunk

So my strategy in Skryim is all wrong?

Sorry, I don't know video games. But if you are throwing fire at something that breathes fire, probably.

374 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:23:53pm

re: #355 Bunky Bunk

So your saying Newt is quicksand?

:-)

eeevvviiilll mud, massster, eeevvviiilll...

375 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:23:58pm

Shorter Mitt: "more government, so we can put Newt's traffic lights in space."

376 Jerk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:24:00pm

People that sit in rooms and talk, otherwise known as scientists.

377 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:24:01pm

So Newt favors subsidies for private companies for space travel?

378 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:24:36pm

re: #371 eclectic infidel

Whoa. A republican advocating for science.

No. Just pandering to Florida voter.

379 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:24:46pm

re: #366 b_sharp

re: #342 marjoriemoon

Say what? I thought that issue sailed years ago.

I don't know what the point of that was. "How much control the family has in medical decisions of others?" Was it a gay question? Church v state question? Healthcare question?

380 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:24:50pm

Newt - there is no profit in going to Mars, at least for a corporation.

381 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:02pm

re: #369 publicityStunted

anamariecox Ana Marie Cox
REALLY? TERRI SCHIAVO? This debate has been on lifesupport for, like, 70 minutes now.

ROFL

382 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:04pm

re: #376 Jerk

People that sit in rooms and talk, otherwise known as scientists.

Are they quiet rooms?

383 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:08pm

space program

in the absence of any prepared response, the answer is "obama is screwing it up"

384 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:09pm

I've begun to twitch. At (the very) least in a historical sense, NASA is nearly the model of responsible and sensible government spending.

385 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:10pm

I really, really hate the word "incentivize."

386 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:17pm

What economists agree with that?

387 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:21pm

Yes folks, economists now say that the Bush Tax Cuts saved us from a deeper recession, so sayeth the Newt.

388 Henchman 26  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:36pm

re: #377 Bunky Bunk

So Newt favors subsidies for private companies for space travel?

I wonder how a coalition between private companies and NASA would work?

389 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:25:56pm

Uh, Newt, no. Bush Tax Cuts = no positive impact on jobs.

[Link: economix.blogs.nytimes.com...]

390 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:26:19pm

yes, because we need to make it less transparent what the true state of a companies finances are...

391 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:26:20pm

He hasn't mentioned Reagan in about 10 minutes. The man's slipping.

392 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:26:20pm

NO, Newt. ND has more people drilling for oil for one reason: HIGH OIL PRICES!

393 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:26:30pm

re: #388 b_sharp

I wonder how a coalition between private companies and NASA would work?

Uh, kinda like exactly what is happening at exactly this moment?

394 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:27:08pm

re: #368 Charles

The Terri Schiavo insanity was one of the issues that pushed me away from the right wing. These people are deranged.

Both you and John Cole. I remember reading his blog at the time. It was amazing to watch him make a total and complete break with both the right and the GOP over Schiavo.

395 JAFO  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:27:21pm

re: #388 b_sharp

I wonder how a coalition between private companies and NASA would work?

SpaceX

396 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:27:45pm

I'd like to see how fast Ole Newt would have pulled the plug if poor Terry had been his wife. Holy cow!!

397 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:27:46pm

maddow Rachel Maddow MSNBC
Can't NASA just have the astronauts #selfdeport to Mars?

398 Henchman 26  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:27:48pm

re: #379 marjoriemoon

I don't know what the point of that was. "How much control the family has in medical decisions of others?" Was it a gay question? Church v state question? Healthcare question?

I suspect it was a question question.

I've heard 8 year olds ask questions just so they can say they asked a question too.

399 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:27:52pm

re: #127 HoosierHoops

This tax stuff is killing me.. It is so complicated...After hours of being with my late father's lawyer and tons of paperwork..It's messed up.
The only thing I remember is that I'm not taxed at all on the first 100,000 dollars..After that..It's really a lawyers paradise and I'm dumping the whole shit load of paperwork on my lawyers desk..
There is no freaking reason for this..

*smooch*

400 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:28:15pm

"But I'm not dead yet"

SHUT UP!

"I'm getting better!"

401 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:28:25pm

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
Gingrich: "As President, I would return Mitt Romney to Mars."

402 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:28:48pm

re: #177 BishopX

HoosierHoops, I cannot recommend getting a good CPA highly enough. Lawyers are great for figuring law, but they're not tax specialists. If you're dad's stuff is half as complicated as I recall you talking about (land leases, multiple properties, possibly a pile of stocks/bonds divided among multiple parties...) your lawyer may very well be outgunned. Get someone who deals with stuff full time. It makes a tremendous difference.

Yes, you need a math nerd on your side!

403 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:29:09pm

re: #401 jaunte

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
Gingrich: "As President, I would return Mitt Romney to Mars."

"Get your ass to Mars."

/

404 Henchman 26  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:29:41pm

re: #393 erik_t

Uh, kinda like exactly what is happening at exactly this moment?

No. Really?

405 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:30:35pm

This "debate" panel has been really lame. Brian Williams and the other two are just laying down and not questioning the answers thrown out by the candidates.

I guess they learned from the Juan Williams experience.

406 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:30:56pm

Self-Deportation Has Few Takers

With a fanfare of news conferences and Spanish-language television and newspaper ads, U.S. authorities last week started giving 457,000 illegal immigrants a chance to turn themselves in without the usual threat of arrest and detention.

Three accepted.

407 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:31:01pm

Private sector! DRINK!

408 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:31:04pm

Raised a family? Shot at Newt?

409 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:31:07pm

re: #401 jaunte

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
Gingrich: "As President, I would return Mitt Romney to Mars."

To me it's Ron Paul that sounds like he should be talking about the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.

410 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:31:08pm

Brian, honey, the GOP ain't got no soul, dear.

411 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:31:08pm

re: #403 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Get your ass to Mars."

/

See Mars, just remember to sneak across the border 'cuz you don't have a visa.

RBS

412 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:31:10pm

@Shoq Shoq Value
I think it's wrong to bring up Terri Schiavo when Romney is already on life support.

413 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:31:23pm

re: #127 HoosierHoops

This tax stuff is killing me.. It is so complicated...After hours of being with my late father's lawyer and tons of paperwork..It's messed up.
The only thing I remember is that I'm not taxed at all on the first 100,000 dollars..After that..It's really a lawyers paradise and I'm dumping the whole shit load of paperwork on my lawyers desk..
There is no freaking reason for this..

Your two best friends in that case will be an estate lawyer and a CPA.

Good luck!

414 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:32:19pm

Reagan! DRINK!

415 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:32:19pm

re: #405 freetoken

This "debate" panel has been really lame. Brian Williams and the other two are just laying down and not questioning the answers thrown out by the candidates.

I guess they learned from the Juan Williams experience.

Yes, it's pathetic. Not a single followup question. Pitiful.

416 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:32:26pm

re: #405 freetoken

This "debate" panel has been really lame. Brian Williams and the other two are just laying down and not questioning the answers thrown out by the candidates.

I guess they learned from the Juan Williams experience.

And without audience response, they've been under no pressure to do more than just snipe at each other and give boilerplate spiels.

417 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:32:31pm

REGANGASM! DRINK!

418 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:32:31pm

romneybot engaged, captain

419 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:32:49pm

re: #413 Lidane

HH, call if you like?

420 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:32:50pm

GOLDWATER!!

huh?

421 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:33:27pm

NEWT: "and then I invented the flux capacitor, air, and the vodka martini"

RBS

422 justaminute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:33:28pm

No wonder Newt thinks he is a historian, everything he cites is history.

423 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:33:42pm

newt: i've been an asshole every day of my life. let mitt match that!!

424 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:33:44pm

Is "conservative movement" a synonym for constipation?

425 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:33:48pm

re: #420 marjoriemoon

GOLDWATER!!

Now that is a winning slogan.

426 Jerk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:33:55pm

re: #405 freetoken

This "debate" panel has been really lame. Brian Williams and the other two are just laying down and not questioning the answers thrown out by the candidates.

I guess they learned from the Juan Williams experience.

We need a news organization in this country like the BBC - if only PBS could get similar power to them.

427 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:34:00pm

Newt, smearing you guys is not going to be a problem. You've written it yourself.

428 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:34:18pm

Aw, this is sooooo cute!!!

Youtube Video
429 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:34:19pm

re: #425 freetoken

Now that is a winning slogan.

In your heart, you know he's right.

430 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:34:31pm

re: #425 freetoken

Now that is a winning slogan.

LOL How out of touch can you get?!

431 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:35:13pm

Oh, it's not right that I'm having this much fun on a school night.

432 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:35:28pm

re: #430 marjoriemoon

LOL How out of touch can you get?!

The GOP primaries aren't over yet. Give them time.

433 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:35:37pm

Santorum: It's going to suck more.

434 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:36:01pm

I'm having a hard time standing this right now....

435 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:36:48pm

I'm just here to inform you that I've launched a full scale attack on the Earth. NO. MORE. DEBATES.
You have 5 minutes.
;)

436 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:37:09pm

Santorum now denying climate change. Don't expect a followup question about what he just said.

437 steve_davis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:37:12pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but you still need enough ships to cover the areas you need to cover. You need to build ships. Mitt is right on that score.

We currently have 11 aircraft carriers. 11. And the Secretary of Defense's justification for why we need to keep 11 aircraft carriers in service is.....because we can!!

438 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:37:14pm

12-term 'outsider' conservative.

439 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:37:25pm

Sure enough, Brian Williams just moves right along.

440 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:37:42pm

re: #435 Varek Raith

I'm just here to inform you that I've launched a full scale attack on the Earth. NO. MORE. DEBATES.
You have 5 minutes.
;)

Could you hurry it up please? If it's not too much of a bother that is.

RBS

441 Bunky Bunk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:37:56pm

Romeny brings up the Kennedy mortgage thing. What a dick.

442 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:38:09pm

re: #435 Varek Raith

I'm just here to inform you that I've launched a full scale attack on the Earth. NO. MORE. DEBATES.
You have 5 minutes.
;)

MP3 Audio
443 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:38:10pm

Paul, yet another anti-choice guy, says "I want the government out of my personal life, but not out of your personal life."

444 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:38:29pm

re: #439 Charles

Sure enough, Brian Williams just moves right along.

It's so brain dead.

445 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:38:48pm

throw a few shovelfuls of dirt on yourself, why don't you, mitt - thattaboy!

446 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:38:50pm

Huh. So everyone who needs "Obamacare" is poor? People with pre-existing conditions are poor?

447 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:38:53pm

re: #439 Charles

Sure enough, Brian Williams just moves right along.

I can't resist. Sorry.

Youtube Video
448 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:38:54pm

No Obamacare. Even I if I like it and it's working! - Romney

449 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:39:07pm

Polls are for strippers and Skiers.

450 Jerk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:39:12pm

This is not a debate. It's a PR event.

451 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:39:47pm

re: #437 steve_davis

We currently have 11 aircraft carriers. 11. And the Secretary of Defense's justification for why we need to keep 11 aircraft carriers in service is...because we can!!

Because it's about a 1/3-active cycle (workup, deployment, refit), there's one carrier in heavy-effort nuclear refueling, and we have three regions of traditional coverage (Atlantic/Med, East Pacific, Indian Ocean/Gulf). And as previously mentioned, if you build them too slowly, you lose the tradesmen who know how to actually do it (ever try to weld a submarine pressure hull?) and you will never really be able to do it right again.

Honestly, people, these things aren't hard to find.

452 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:39:50pm

1950.

453 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:39:55pm

Newt pretending not to be an entrenched 'elite.'

454 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:40:03pm

Sorry about the disappearing act. Firefox froze up on me.

455 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:40:06pm

re: #450 Jerk

I think it's been a very long while since debates were actually debates.

456 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:40:11pm

America's still great, but needs to be regreatened.

457 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:40:13pm

Williams: "When was America last great?"

458 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:40:32pm

How this man can utter any word about moral values is beyond me. Newt hasn't been humbled for 40 years.

459 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:41:03pm

Crony capitalism?
I thought Obama was a socialist or commie or something.

460 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:41:09pm

re: #458 marjoriemoon

He doesn't have the wiring for it.

461 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:41:10pm

re: #452 Varek Raith

1950.

Oh yeah. For straight white Christian men, yes.

462 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:41:14pm

They must have turned off the audience mics. It's just not usual.

463 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:41:19pm

Mitt coming out against crony capitalism? Whu?

464 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:41:25pm

re: #419 Floral Giraffe

HH, call if you like?

I'll call you after this debate My friend

465 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:41:34pm

And they turned it on again!

466 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:42:01pm

apparently they told them that if you make an outburst, you will be removed. About freaking time if they did.

RBS

467 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:42:13pm

So, who 'won' this debate?

468 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:42:24pm

re: #462 marjoriemoon

They must have turned off the audience mics. It's just not usual.

Sominex.

469 jaunte  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:42:27pm

@NicoleGennette
Mitt bragging about almost ruining someone financially in an election again. Great strategy, keep it up.

470 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:42:42pm

re: #462 marjoriemoon

They must have turned off the audience mics. It's just not usual.

Or maybe they were all made to wear these...

471 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:42:57pm

re: #467 Varek Raith

So, who 'won' this debate?

Again, anybody not watching. This wasn't a "debate" so much as a 2 hour free campaign commercial.

472 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:43:25pm

re: #471 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Again, anybody not watching. This wasn't a "debate" so much as a 2 hour free campaign commercial.

Brian Williams just rolled over.

473 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:44:25pm
MP3 Audio
474 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:44:47pm

re: #467 Varek Raith

So, who 'won' this debate?

In the end it's the American People who won. (I can't say that with a straight face). I think that Gingrich landed the most body blows, Mitt is hurt bad, but I think it's going to be low blows and rabbit punches from here on out.

RBS

475 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:45:04pm

re: #470 publicityStunted

Or maybe they were all made to wear these...

Oh stop, you'll get Rick excited.

476 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:45:55pm

re: #475 marjoriemoon

Oh stop, you'll get Rick excited.

I'm sure that Newt has one of those already.

477 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:47:28pm

re: #472 freetoken

Brian Williams just rolled over.

Not only that, but by muzzling the crowd, the four were never under pressure to do more than regurgitate the attacks and bullshit talking points they memorized before the show.

478 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:47:48pm

re: #467 Varek Raith

So, who 'won' this debate?

mitt is an ex-parrot, newt owns the road, and the republican establishment is FREAKING OUT

win: democrats

479 Jerk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:49:15pm

I can't see Chuck Todd now without thinking about this.

Youtube Video
480 steve_davis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:49:39pm

re: #451 erik_t

Because it's about a 1/3-active cycle (workup, deployment, refit), there's one carrier in heavy-effort nuclear refueling, and we have three regions of traditional coverage (Atlantic/Med, East Pacific, Indian Ocean/Gulf). And as previously mentioned, if you build them too slowly, you lose the tradesmen who know how to actually do it (ever try to weld a submarine pressure hull?) and you will never really be able to do it right again.

Honestly, people, these things aren't hard to find.

No offense intended, but that sounds like the answer someone would give in a committee hearing somewhere, while pork-larding congressmen nod their heads sagely. It's like the oil industry's justifications for why they need to get tax breaks in order to drill for oil: "Oh, well, drilling for oil is a technical enterprise, and if you don't give oil companies tax breaks for research and development, Exxon Mobil will stop working to make 40 billion dollars in profit a year because having to pay taxes will prevent them from being able to get out of bed in the morning." The defense industry is a trillion dollar-a-year carnival in this country. I would be willing to bet you that the next time a multi-billion dollar submarine contract comes up for bid, ACME Inc. will somehow be able to find a guy somewhere who knows how to properly do spot welds on a submarine. :-)

481 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:52:43pm

re: #480 steve_davis

It's much harder than standard welding, and it requires both specialized training and equipment. Erik's right, don't be so flippant.

482 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:53:19pm

re: #480 steve_davis

Okay, you completely ignored the first reason, so I'll assume you're only talking about the loss of vital industrial skills.

No, you won't find some guy somewhere who can do proper multi-inch-thick man-rated welds of high-tensile steel. That capability exists in submarine production and nowhere else. I love that you'll casually throw a smiley face on the end, but that production capability cannot be reproduced without many years of an entire industry learning on the job, so to speak.

We can have reasonable and rational discussions about whether or not the US Navy needs $CAPABILITY, but it's factually incorrect to suggest that construction holidays cannot have a severely deleterious effect on the relevant industrial base.

483 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:53:33pm

Wow that room emptied fast after the debate. Perhaps everyone is off enjoying a good projectile vomit.

RBS

484 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:14:03am

re: #16 Charles

Romney breaks out the "influence peddler" line. Bashes Gingrich for believing in climate change.

grrr

485 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:24:11am

Newt is a historian in only a marginal and formal sense. Yeah, he has a PhD in history. But peer-reviewed articles has he written? What historical studies? It could be said that he was a historian once, but he no longer is one.


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