Boehner Calls Obama 'Un-American,' WSJ Writer Compares SOTU Seating to 'Date Rape'

Boehner Calls Obama ‘Un-American,’ WSJ Writer Compares SOTU Seating to ‘Date Rape’

The Republican Party has gone insane

WingnutsJanuary 2012 • Views: 23,173

The President hasn’t even given his State of the Union speech yet, but Republicans are already spewing hatred at him.

Washington (CNN) - House Speaker John Boehner Tuesday forcefully denounced the Democrats’ campaign theme that they are for the middle class and Republicans are for the wealthy – saying the politics the president is running on are “almost un-American.”

“This is a president who said I’m not going to be a divider, I’m going to be a uniter, and running on the politics of division and envy is – to me it’s almost un-American,” said Boehner.

Wow. That’s the Republican Party’s Speaker of the House, actually calling the President of the United States “un-American.” And nobody even blinks.

And appearing last night on the Fox Business show of 9/11 Truther Andrew Napolitano, the senior economics writer for the Wall Street Journal, Stephen Moore, compared the bipartisan seating at the SOTU to date rape. With a big laugh.

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175 comments

shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:27:34pm

Fat imbecile having a chat with clueless dipstick. Who watches this stuff?

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:28:21pm

re: #1 imp_62

sadly, way too many people.

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:28:27pm

Remember back 8 years ago, when the Right threw a collective shit fit when Teresa Kerry threw out the word "unAmerican" during the Dem Convention? That it was a horribly ugly word, and that just uttering it was tantamount to treason?

Amazing how far we've come, huh? Ugh.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:30:48pm

Fucking assholes.

Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:31:37pm

Obama is very divisive so I'm going to call him something really divisive.

Yup.

simoom Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:31:45pm

Respect for the office (///):

[Link: thehill.com...]

Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.) will skip the State of the Union address Tuesday night in what he describes as a protest of President Barack Obama's policies, the congressman's office said Monday.

...

Mortenson is the first GOP member to announce that he's skipping the speech. The last time the president addressed a joint session of Congress - September of last year - multiple Republicans opted out, with some choosing instead to watch the NFL's kickoff game or live-tweet the address from their offices.

...

Lamborn created controversy last summer when he said that being associated with the president would be akin to "touching a tar baby."

"I don’t even want to have to be associated with him,” Lamborn had said, according to the Colorado Springs Gazette. “It’s like touching a tar baby, and you get it — you know, you’re stuck, and you’re part of the problem now, and you can’t get away.”

And a previous Spkr. Boehner statement on the SOTU:

[Link: thehill.com...]

“I’ve read a lot about what the president will talk about Tuesday night,” Boehner said on Fox News Sunday. “It sounds to me like the same old proposals we’ve seen — more spending, higher taxes, more regulation — the same policies that haven’t helped our economy, they’ve made it worse.

“If that’s what the president is going to talk about Tuesday night, I think it’s pathetic,” Boehner said.

shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:31:53pm

Comic distraction

Image: sloppier_than_fiction.png

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:32:42pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Obama is very divisive so I'm going to call him something really divisive.

Yup.

BUT I DID NOT PROMISE TO BE A UNITER! OBAMA DID!!!

- Boner.

Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:33:26pm

McConnell is accusing Obama of wanting to create gridlock with his speech tonight.

#ThatsFuckingRichComingFromHim

aagcobb Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:33:26pm

Of course when Republicans are constantly accusing the President of being a Marxist, and people receiving public assistance like food stamps and unemployment benefits of being lazy deadbeats, they are being patriotic, just like their hero Joe McCarthy.

Lidane Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:34:55pm

This is why schools should teach logic classes starting in first grade.

If people were actually forced to think things through to their logical conclusion they might not be such total douchebags.

wrenchwench Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:34:56pm

Wasn't bipartisan seating suggested last year as a way to cool the rhetoric after Giffords was shot? And they act like someone is holding a gun to their heads to sit next to a cootie-infested opponent.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:36:18pm

A Republican leader accusing a Democrat of politics of division? It's something from Carroll's stories, for sure.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:37:11pm

I just got briefed a little, in a rare moment of outreach from the White House communications team. Everything is embargoed, so no details. And being briefed about the contents is not the same as listening Obama deliver the case. But sheesh. Get some caffeine ready.

Andrew Sullivan just posted that in regards to the SOTU.

Wonder what it is meant to mean ..

erik_t Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:37:35pm

It's okay, guys, it's okay. The policies are only almost un-American. Boehner is showing his willingness to cross the aisle and come to a reasonable compromise.

shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:38:05pm

re: #14 HAL2010

Andrew Sullivan just posted that.

Wonder what it is meant to mean ..

It means he had not heard himself type something unbearably shallow for at least 15 minutes.

Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:39:34pm

re: #14 HAL2010

Andrew Sullivan just posted that.

Wonder what it is meant to mean ..

Either the reaction is going to spill over into late night...or...it's going to be a snoozefest.

Tricksy.

euphgeek Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:39:53pm

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Remember back 8 years ago, when the Right threw a collective shit fit when Teresa Kerry threw out the word "unAmerican" during the Dem Convention? That it was a horribly ugly word, and that just uttering it was tantamount to treason?

Amazing how far we've come, huh? Ugh.

IOKIYAR!

shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:40:42pm

Jut found this:
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HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:40:49pm

re: #16 imp_62

It means he had not heard himself type something unbearably shallow for at least 15 minutes.

Actually, he is one of my favourite bloggers. Been following him now since before he went to the Atlantic, I can't remember where he was before that.
Coming from England I can certainly see the Tory within him.

I tend to agree with a substantial amount of his writing, though I am of a far more libertarian streak.

Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:40:55pm

re: #12 wrenchwench

Wasn't bipartisan seating suggested last year as a way to cool the rhetoric after Giffords was shot? And they act like someone is holding a gun to their heads to sit next to a cootie-infested opponent.

While at the same time accusing Obama of being "divisive."

simoom Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:42:21pm

Not to be left out, Romney pre-responds to the SOTU too:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

In a speech to an invited crowd of supporters that was designed as a preemptive attack on Tuesday night's State of the Union address, he said it was critical "that we make today Barack Obama's last State of the Union. No more from Barack Obama."

"The president's agenda sounds less like 'built to last' and more like doomed to fail. What he's proposing is more of the same: more taxes, more spending, and more regulation," he said, predicting that Obama would use his speech "to divide our nation."

...

To applause from his backers, Romney declared that Obama "has run out of time. This president has run out of ideas. This president has run out of excuses. In 2012 we gotta make sure he's run out of the office of the White House!"

...

Sheets of drywall were stacked to his right and a sign that read "Obama Isn't Working" was suspended from the ceiling.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

In his pre-emptive rebuttal to President Obama's State of the Union address, Mitt Romney on Tuesday said Obama would serve up "divisive rhetoric from a desperate campaigner-in-chief."

...

The former Massachusetts governor also predicted Obama would "take another victory lap"

mr.fusion Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:42:35pm

re: #20 HAL2010

Actually, he is one of my favourite bloggers. Been following him now since before he went to the Atlantic, I can't remember where he was before that.
Coming from England I can certainly see the Tory within him.

I tend to agree with a substantial amount of his writing, though I am of a far more libertarian streak.

LGF and Sully are by far the two blogs I read the most. Hate being an East coast lizard and having to wait until noon for my first LGF post......although it is usually a nice way to spend my lunch break

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:43:52pm

Also, frankly, Obama has shown that he is a "compromiser" to a fault. Sometimes making people (myself incl.) mad at him for searching for a compromise with Neanderthals, thus diluting his accomplishments (alas, necessarily, as said Neanderthals have been elected). Obama proved by his actions that he is a "uniter".

mr.fusion Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:44:05pm

re: #22 simoom

Not to be left out, Romney pre-responds to the SOTU too:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Did you see the banner he was standing in front of? Wish I could find a picture but it read "Obama Isn't Working." Who's being divisive again?

andres Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:44:26pm

re: #22 simoom

Don't victory laps require, you know, a victory to do the lap for? That's my understanding of the phrase⁰.

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⁰ESL.

shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:44:27pm

re: #20 HAL2010

re: #23 mr.fusion

I had a teacher who always used to say, while handing back essays: "Less would have been more". That is generally how I feel about professional bloggers.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:45:39pm

re: #23 mr.fusion

LGF and Sully are by far the two blogs I read the most. Hate being an East coast lizard and having to wait until noon for my first LGF post...although it is usually a nice way to spend my lunch break

Well I'm in Sweden at the moment, I have to stay up until 2 - 3 in the morning to participate in the more lively debates here.
Worth it though!

Mind, the most intelligent discussions I've probably ever seen on a blog are at Ta-Nehisi Coates on the Atlantic. On par with the ones we have here, just.

Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:47:07pm

re: #25 mr.fusion

Did you see the banner he was standing in front of? Wish I could find a picture but it read "Obama Isn't Working." Who's being divisive again?

Right. And lots of people complained that I was over-reacting by calling this a race-baiting tactic.

Romney is using the exact same dog whistle tactics now that Gingrich is.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:47:10pm

re: #25 mr.fusion

Did you see the banner he was standing in front of? Wish I could find a picture but it read "Obama Isn't Working." Who's being divisive again?

Image: pub_notworking.gif

The original poster is from England, 1979.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:48:17pm

re: #29 Charles

Ha! It took several seconds to sink in what "Obama is not Working" means. "Subtle", Mitt, "subtle".

simoom Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:48:31pm

re: #25 mr.fusion

Did you see the banner he was standing in front of? Wish I could find a picture but it read "Obama Isn't Working." Who's being divisive again?

You can see it here from the LA times article. It's right above Romney:
Image: 185337160-24093534.jpg

TedStriker Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:48:32pm

re: #27 imp_62

re: #23 mr.fusion

I had a teacher who always used to say, while handing back essays: "Less would have been more". That is generally how I feel about professional bloggers.

Ex-Lizard (and white nationalist/Anders Brevik sympathizer) fjordman LOOOVVVEEESSS putting up walls of text, even in his time here back in the day. I swear, the man is the master of long paragraphs and run-on sentences.

Lidane Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:49:12pm

re: #29 Charles

Right. And lots of people complained that I was over-reacting by calling this a race-baiting tactic.

Romney is using the exact same dog whistle tactics now that Gingrich is.

It's what the base wants.

I'm going to laugh if the GOP ends up with Gingrich as the nominee. Newt is the only candidate that Obama out-polls here in Texas.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:49:45pm

re: #31 Sergey Romanov

re: #29 Charles

Respectfully, I do not believe that particular charge is correct. He is copying the Thatcher poster from 1979. If my memory serves correctly he is even using the same PR firm as she did. Of course, there are other ways he has been doing that.

The original poster:

Image: pub_notworking.gif

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:49:48pm

This date rape - wasn't there earlier another wingnut who used a rape analogy? Or a cartoon. I think there might have been even a post at LGF about this.

Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:50:06pm

The right wing blogs are incredibly worked up about Obama's SOTU. We could be approaching the wingularity.

erik_t Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:50:21pm

re: #34 Lidane

It's what the base wants.

I'm going to laugh if the GOP ends up with Gingrich as the nominee. Newt is the only candidate that Obama out-polls here in Texas.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Never in my wildest childhood dreams did I ever imagine that I would personally be able to cast a vote against Newt f'ing Gingrich in an actual factual election.

So. Excited.

shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:51:06pm

re: #38 erik_t

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Never in my wildest childhood dreams did I ever imagine that I would personally be able to cast a vote against Newt f'ing Gingrich in an actual factual election.

So. Excited.

You should change your name to "silver lining"

Lidane Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:51:35pm

re: #37 Charles

The right wing blogs are incredibly worked up about Obama's SOTU. We could be approaching the wingularity.

That won't happen until election night, especially if Obama wins a second term.

Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:51:42pm

re: #35 HAL2010

Respectfully, I do not believe that particular charge is correct.

That's why they do it.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:51:44pm

re: #37 Charles

The right wing blogs are incredibly worked up about Obama's SOTU. We could be approaching the wingularity.

Just wait for the reaction when he has held his victory speech in November ...

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:51:48pm

re: #35 HAL2010

re: #29 Charles

Respectfully, I do not believe that particular charge is correct. He is copying the Thatcher poster from 1979. If my memory serves correctly he is even using the same PR firm as she did. Of course, there are other ways he has been doing that.

The original poster:

Image: pub_notworking.gif

"Labour isn't working" is a good, creative slogan (truthfulness aside). Ironic juxtaposition. But I don't know how it refutes the charge. Yes, they used it, now in relation to Obama. Where's irony here? What's the catch?

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:53:24pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

I would argue that particular one is about the party (Labour).
Romneybot talks about the "Obama economy". Hence, "Obama isn't working".

In this context "working" refers to "functioning", and is a separate charge from the "Obama has never had a job" smear.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:54:07pm

re: #44 HAL2010

I would argue that particular one is about the party (Labour).
Romneybot talks about the "Obama economy". Hence, "Obama isn't working".

In this context "working" refers to "functioning", and is a separate charge from the "Obama has never had a job" smear.

I understand what the primary meaning is, thanks. That's not the point.

leftynyc Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:54:17pm

Which President was it that claimed "you're either with us or against us"? But Pres Obama is divisive? My head hurts.

aagcobb Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:54:25pm

re: #42 HAL2010

Just wait for the reaction when he has held his victory speech in November ...

Every right wing blog will look like Stormfront.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:54:42pm

re: #40 Lidane

That won't happen until election night, especially if Obama wins a second term.

No matter which way the election goes, election night will be a right-wing circle jerk of historical proportions. The only question is whether the circle faces inward or outward.

Robert O. Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:55:01pm

“Never before in all our history have these forces [business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, organized money] been so unanimous in their hatred for me—and I welcome their hatred.”

“I should like to have it said of my first administration that in it, the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I would like to have it said of my second administration that in it these forces met their master!”

- Franklin D. Roosevelt, in a campaign address at Madison Square Garden, Oct. 31, 1936.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:55:04pm

re: #44 HAL2010

A double entendre (French pronunciation: [dublɑ̃tɑ̃dʁə]) or adianoeta[1] is a figure of speech in which a spoken phrase is devised to be understood in either of two ways. Often the first (more obvious) meaning is straightforward, while the second meaning is less so: often risqué or ironic.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:55:22pm

re: #41 Charles

I still believe this particular charge refers to the "Obama economy" and that it isn't working.

"Obama isn't working" is in my opinion nothing to do with dog-whistle tactics. It's a simple and lazy slogan he nicked from England and refers to the fact that his policies to reduce unemployment are not working.
In his mind anyway.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:56:12pm

re: #45 Sergey Romanov

I understand what the primary meaning is, thanks. That's not the point.

Well I certainly think it is the point, as it specifically refers to unemployment and the "Obama economy".

aagcobb Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:56:27pm

re: #51 HAL2010

I still believe this particular charge refers to the "Obama economy" and that it isn't working.

"Obama isn't working" is in my opinion nothing to do with dog-whistle tactics. It's a simple and lazy slogan he nicked from England and refers to the fact that his policies to reduce unemployment are not working.
In his mind anyway.

I'm sorry, Romney is too intelligent to pretend that slogan means only one thing and not the other as well.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:56:48pm

re: #52 HAL2010

Well I certainly think it is the point, as it specifically refers to unemployment and the "Obama economy".

Again, nobody argues that this isn't the primary meaning.

William of Orange Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:56:53pm

Rightwing extremism his a new all-time low!

Killing a family cat and writing "Liberal" over it's dead body!

Words fail me......

This is bare naked terrorism! No other word for it!

Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:57:04pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

There really isn't a catch. It's just the dual meaning of "Having Obama as president isn't working for the country" and "Obama is personally not working hard."

Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:57:09pm

re: #51 HAL2010

"Obama isn't working" is in my opinion nothing to do with dog-whistle tactics.

Again, this is why people like Romney and Gingrich use these dog whistles -- because it's guaranteed that a lot of people will not hear it.

But the target audience certainly does.

wrenchwench Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:57:54pm

re: #44 HAL2010

I would argue that particular one is about the party (Labour).
Romneybot talks about the "Obama economy". Hence, "Obama isn't working".

In this context "working" refers to "functioning", and is a separate charge from the "Obama has never had a job" smear.

It can't be separated. The words mean both things, and if he didn't meant to imply both things, he would have used other words. And of course it lacks the Labour Party reference.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:58:00pm

re: #56 Obdicut

There really isn't a catch. It's just the dual meaning of "Having Obama as president isn't working for the country" and "Obama is personally not working hard."

Yes, but you should not explain that to me ;)

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:58:20pm

re: #54 Sergey Romanov

Again, nobody argues that this isn't the primary meaning.

"Ha! It took several seconds to sink in what "Obama is not Working" means. "Subtle", Mitt, "subtle"."

Honestly, I don't see it. Not in that slogan.

euphgeek Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:58:29pm

re: #37 Charles

The right wing blogs are incredibly worked up about Obama's SOTU. We could be approaching the wingularity.

"Wingularity". That's the best term I've heard to describe it so far.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 12:58:42pm

re: #60 HAL2010

"Ha! It took several seconds to sink in what "Obama is not Working" means. "Subtle", Mitt, "subtle"."

Honestly, I don't see it. Not in that slogan.

You don't see what?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:00:30pm

These slogans are made up carefully. By professionals. Who get hundreds for thousands of them. Who know implication of every letter. Nothing is left to chance.

Jimmah Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:00:37pm

re: #35 HAL2010

re: #29 Charles

Respectfully, I do not believe that particular charge is correct. He is copying the Thatcher poster from 1979. If my memory serves correctly he is even using the same PR firm as she did. Of course, there are other ways he has been doing that.

The original poster:

Image: pub_notworking.gif

Different context, different meaning. The UK Conservative's (puke) campaign was a kind of pun on the name of the "Labour" party. The US wingnuts "not working" meme is fuelled by and refects off something much uglier in it's intended audience.

Varek Raith Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:01:05pm

re: #60 HAL2010

"Ha! It took several seconds to sink in what "Obama is not Working" means. "Subtle", Mitt, "subtle"."

Honestly, I don't see it. Not in that slogan.

You may not see, but I guarantee you most in the audience did.

Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:02:12pm

Picture of Obama not at work:

Image: obama_sit_room_01.jpg

Varek Raith Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:02:57pm

re: #66 Obdicut

Picture of Obama not at work:

Image: obama_sit_room_01.jpg

♫Obama got Osama♫

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:03:44pm

re: #66 Obdicut

Picture of Obama not at work:

Image: obama_sit_room_01.jpg

He's relaxing watching that horror movie. Final Destination 5, was it? And Hillary is hilarious! Women.

///

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:04:03pm

Maybe it is because I am from England, but I simply do not see anything racist in the "Obama isn't working" statement. Romney has previously spoken of the "Obama Economy", with all sorts of ludicrous charges added to it. One only has to look at the improving state of the economy to see that it is simply not true.

Again, Romney is copying this poster from 1979, used by the Tories and Thatcher:

Image: poster.jpg

He has simply copied the work of Saatchi & Saatchis famous poster.

Frankly, I don't see anything more than that. Romney has used all sorts of dog-whistles before, but this is not one of them.

Varek Raith Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:04:24pm

re: #68 Sergey Romanov

///

I think at that point "HEAD SHOT" blared out.
/

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:05:34pm

re: #69 HAL2010

Um, what's your point in repeating that he simply copied an older poster? Yes, he did. How does that prove that in the new context it didn't become a dog-whistle?

Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:06:43pm

re: #69 HAL2010

Because it's taking place in the context of allegations that black people lack a work ethic and are all on food stamps. And that Obama plays golf rather than working, endless stories about Michelle Obama's expenses, etc.

For some people, that's solely political. They really just hate him for being a liberal. But for some people it definitely is a racist issue. And those are the people Gingrich is appealing to with his food stamp bullshit, and that Romney is calling too more softly.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:07:21pm

re: #72 Obdicut

Plus Romney explicitly said Obama's never had a job.

allegro Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:08:03pm

re: #69 HAL2010

Maybe it is because I am from England, but I simply do not see anything racist in the "Obama isn't working" statement. Romney has previously spoken of the "Obama Economy", with all sorts of ludicrous charges added to it. One only has to look at the improving state of the economy to see that it is simply not true.

Again, Romney is copying this poster from 1979, used by the Tories and Thatcher:

Image: poster.jpg

He has simply copied the work of Saatchi & Saatchis famous poster.

Frankly, I don't see anything more than that. Romney has used all sorts of dog-whistles before, but this is not one of them.

This is also flat on the heels of Newt's "food stamp President" crap that apparently earned Newtums SC. You bet it's a siren call... Big Time.

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:08:11pm

Youtube Video

Watch these two "Obama isn't working" videos on Romney's own Youtube channel and tell me where the dog-whistle is meant to be.
It's not there.

They went up in June and August respectively. Before Newt started race-baiting.

Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:08:58pm

re: #73 Sergey Romanov

Plus Romney explicitly said Obama's never had a job.

Yeah, a blatant, stupid lie. It's the smear they've chosen.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:09:17pm

I mean, even if we separate a personal attack from the racist attack, and doubt the latter, it still obviously refers to Obama not literally working too. It's still an obvious double entendre. We can debate whether it's racial, but can we please acknowledge the intentional double meaning first?

Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:09:41pm

re: #75 HAL2010

You're from England. Why are you talking so confidently about what is and isn't a dog-whistle in the US? I don't think I could guess at dog-whistles in the UK very successfully.

shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:09:45pm

re: #69 HAL2010

The fact that you cannot hear it reflects well on you. However in the overall conservative/reactionary context of careful race baiting and the frothing up of the passively racist grassroots, the "OIW" catchphrase is a distant, psychotic relative of the Tory campaign.

Jimmah Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:10:08pm

re: #69 HAL2010

Maybe it is because I am from England, but I simply do not see anything racist in the "Obama isn't working" statement. Romney has previously spoken of the "Obama Economy", with all sorts of ludicrous charges added to it. One only has to look at the improving state of the economy to see that it is simply not true.

Again, Romney is copying this poster from 1979, used by the Tories and Thatcher:

Image: poster.jpg

He has simply copied the work of Saatchi & Saatchis famous poster.

Frankly, I don't see anything more than that. Romney has used all sorts of dog-whistles before, but this is not one of them.

What do you think has more resonance to the average US wingnut at whom this is dircted? Current racist wingnut memes about black people not working or that UK conservative campaign poster from 1979 that they've never heard of?

TedStriker Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:10:33pm

re: #69 HAL2010

Maybe it is because I am from England, but I simply do not see anything racist in the "Obama isn't working" statement. Romney has previously spoken of the "Obama Economy", with all sorts of ludicrous charges added to it. One only has to look at the improving state of the economy to see that it is simply not true.

Again, Romney is copying this poster from 1979, used by the Tories and Thatcher:

Image: poster.jpg

He has simply copied the work of Saatchi & Saatchis famous poster.

Frankly, I don't see anything more than that. Romney has used all sorts of dog-whistles before, but this is not one of them.

There may not be a racial intent from the Romney camp on this, but it is a convenient double entendre that ties into the "Obama's never had a real job" meme that they've been trying to hang on the President.

It's a bonus for them in their eyes, I'm sure.

Lidane Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:10:34pm

re: #72 Obdicut

Because it's taking place in the context of allegations that black people lack a work ethic and are all on food stamps.

For example:

Gingrich: ‘Most Of The Asians,’ Some Latinos, But Not Many African Americans Understand Entrepreneurship

Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:12:05pm

re: #81 talon_262

And it's a smear. Romney knows that Obama does work, he knows that second formulation isn't true. He's choosing a smear that he knows is true and knows-- or is amazingly out of touch-- that it plays into a racist caricature of black people, and a view of Obama touted by racists like Limbaugh.

TedStriker Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:12:18pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

I think at that point "HEAD SHOT" blared out.
/

It was probably more like "HOLY SHIT!"

/blame Quake

shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:12:27pm

re: #81 talon_262

Not to mention the "food stamp President" tag

bratwurst Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:12:45pm

Romney STILL reciting America the Beautiful as part of his stump speech...couldn't he mix it up with You're a Grand Old Flag or something?

HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:13:24pm

re: #78 Obdicut

re: #80 Jimmah

Again, I would ask you to tell me where the racial element in the two video's above #75 can be found. They went up before months before the race-baiting began in South Carolina.
I'm not saying that he hasn't used racially charged language, flat out lies and deception, but I am saying that the "Obama isn't working" meme, is not one of them.

"Obama has never had a job", is one. The above mentioned one, isn't.

Varek Raith Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:13:35pm

re: #86 bratwurst

Romney STILL reciting America the Beautiful as part of his stump speech...couldn't he mix it up with You're a Grand Old Flag or something?

Karma Chameleon.
/

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:13:58pm

Also, English is not my first language, so correct me if I'm wrong. But "Obama is not working" as "Obama's policy is not working out" is a bit artificial, no? It's not a natural way of saying it.

iceweasel Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:14:01pm

re: #86 bratwurst

Romney STILL reciting America the Beautiful as part of his stump speech...couldn't he mix it up with You're a Grand Old Flag or something?

You're a grand old flag, you're a high-flying hag?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:14:27pm

re: #87 HAL2010

Leave the race thing aside for the moment. Do you acknowledge it's a double entendre?

Big Steve Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:15:11pm

Is there any short, sound bite adjectival phrase one could use as a negative toward President Obama that would not be taken as racist or a 'dog-whistle?" This is not to start an argument, just want someone to give me an example.

Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:15:33pm

re: #87 HAL2010

You're not really reading what I'm posting.

"Obama has never had a job", is one. The above mentioned one, isn't.

It's in the same context. That's what matters. If you're smearing someone in a context and you know that your smear fits into a racist stereotype, you're sure as hell to blame.

If I decide to smear a Jewish candidate, and I happen to choose that he's a miserly skinflint, I really am just that much more of an asshole for choosing to smear him with a negative quality that's part of a racist stereotype.

aagcobb Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:15:37pm

re: #87 HAL2010

re: #80 Jimmah

Again, I would ask you to tell me where the racial element in the two video's above #75 can be found. They went up before months before the race-baiting began in South Carolina.
I'm not saying that he hasn't used racially charged language, flat out lies and deception, but I am saying that the "Obama isn't working" meme, is not one of them.

"Obama has never had a job", is one. The above mentioned one, isn't.

Uh, if you don't have a job, what is it you are not doing? I'll give you one guess.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:15:56pm

re: #92 Big Steve

Is there any short, sound bite adjectival phrase one could use as a negative toward President Obama that would not be taken as racist or a 'dog-whistle?" This is not to start an argument, just want someone to give me an example.

"Obama is a failed President".

wrenchwench Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:16:19pm

re: #75 HAL2010

[Video]Watch these two "Obama isn't working" videos on Romney's own Youtube channel and tell me where the dog-whistle is meant to be.
It's not there.

They went up in June and August respectively. Before Newt started race-baiting.

Why do you think he doesn't use the more common phrase of "Obama's policies aren't working"? Why do you think he uses the more awkward-sounding "Obama isn't working", instead of a possible "Obama's plans aren't working out ..." or some such thing? It is a shortened, awkward wording. Why would he do that?

re: #87 HAL2010

re: #80 Jimmah

Again, I would ask you to tell me where the racial element in the two video's above #75 can be found. They went up before months before the race-baiting began in South Carolina.
I'm not saying that he hasn't used racially charged language, flat out lies and deception, but I am saying that the "Obama isn't working" meme, is not one of them.

"Obama has never had a job", is one. The above mentioned one, isn't.

Race baiting began in about 2007, as far as Obama and the presidency go.

Big Steve Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:16:20pm

re: #86 bratwurst

Romney STILL reciting America the Beautiful as part of his stump speech...couldn't he mix it up with You're a Grand Old Flag or something?

So long as Steven Tyler doesn't sing it....

Jimmah Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:16:31pm

re: #87 HAL2010

re: #80 Jimmah

Again, I would ask you to tell me where the racial element in the two video's above #75 can be found. They went up before months before the race-baiting began in South Carolina.
I'm not saying that he hasn't used racially charged language, flat out lies and deception, but I am saying that the "Obama isn't working" meme, is not one of them.

"Obama has never had a job", is one. The above mentioned one, isn't.

The phenomenon of US wingnut race-baiting is more than just a few months old.

darthstar Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:16:44pm

Boehner can suck Romney's dog's dick.

Speaking of Romney.

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Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:16:54pm

re: #95 Sergey Romanov

"Obama is a failed President".

Obama's policies aren't working for America.

Obama's failing to lead.

Etc.

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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:16:58pm

re: #89 Sergey Romanov

Also, English is not my first language, so correct me if I'm wrong. But "Obama is not working" as "Obama's policy is not working out" is a bit artificial, no? It's not a natural way of saying it.

I was just typing that.

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HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:17:05pm

re: #91 Sergey Romanov

Leave the race thing aside for the moment. Do you acknowledge it's a double entendre?

In the context of the videos?
I do not think so, since they have been up far longer than Mittens has been using racially charged language.
This is a non-racial meme he stole from England.

And the distinction between personal and policy I would argue is very important.

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Big Steve Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:17:10pm

re: #95 Sergey Romanov

"Obama is a failed President".

Perfect

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simoom Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:18:36pm

re: #69 HAL2010

Maybe it is because I am from England, but I simply do not see anything racist in the "Obama isn't working" statement. Romney has previously spoken of the "Obama Economy", with all sorts of ludicrous charges added to it. One only has to look at the improving state of the economy to see that it is simply not true.

Just like the "Obama's never had a job" or had "to work a real job", or "Obama doesn't value hard work," etc -- it's hard not to see a huge white on black banner with "OBAMA ISN'T WORKING" emblazoned as a not-so-subtle nod to the U.S. racial stereotype of African-Americans as shiftless & lazy. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that it wasn't the marketing gurus main focus in crafting those messages, but not that they were unaware of the secondary messaging implicit in those slogans and they at least didn't care enough to choose less loaded phrasings.

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erik_t Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:18:42pm

Even the most child-like simplicity of 'Obama is bad' is relatively free of racial overtones compared to 'Obama isn't working'.

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HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:20:25pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Why do you think he doesn't use the more common phrase of "Obama's policies aren't working"? Why do you think he uses the more awkward-sounding "Obama isn't working", instead of a possible "Obama's plans aren't working out ..." or some such thing? It is a shortened, awkward wording. Why would he do that?

Because he is lazy and stole the slogan from Saatchi & Saatchi.

re: #94 aagcobb

The ads are clearly showing that Obama's policies have failed. That is what the ads are implying.

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Jimmah Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:20:29pm

I guess being from Scotland gives one a completely different perspective :)

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:20:52pm

re: #102 HAL2010

In the context of the videos?
I do not think so, since they have been up far longer than Mittens has been using racially charged language.

You're not listening. Once more, leave the racial thing aside. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that as a matter of English language, we're dealing with a double entendre?

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darthstar Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:21:24pm

Ha! Chuck Grassley's password for his hacked twitter account was "chuck123"...what a maroon!

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

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shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:21:30pm

re: #107 Jimmah

I guess being from Scotland gives one a completely different perspective :)

Flat on your back looking up wondering what the fuck time it is?
At least, that's my memory of a delightful stay in Scotland :)

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:22:05pm

re: #106 HAL2010

Because he is lazy and stole the slogan from Saatchi & Saatchi.

Um. That's not an explanation of why this particular wording was used.

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:22:18pm

It's simply a preemptive smear strike. Make a claim about the opposition that more accurately reflects your side and then yell about the MBF when they make an accurate charge.

Thus the claims about Obama being a divider, a obstructionist, etc. etc. It's defensive projection, and it lessens the impact of things they think Obama is going to bring up.

Plus they get the initial spin on the SOTU narrative, and then get to come back afterwards and try to set the final spin.

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iceweasel Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:22:49pm

Ugh, did people look at the link for that date rape comment? I want to punch that guy in the face for making it and then giggling about it.

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erik_t Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:22:51pm

re: #109 darthstar

Ha! Chuck Grassley's password for his hacked twitter account was "chuck123"...what a maroon!

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

I believe this man should become more deeply involved in regulating the 'inter-net'.

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shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:23:17pm

re: #113 iceweasel

Ugh, did people look at the link for that date rape comment? I want to punch that guy in the face for making it and then giggling about it.

There's a queue. No cutting in.

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HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:23:25pm

re: #111 Sergey Romanov

Um. That's not an explanation of why this particular wording was used.

Actually you can see the line of unemployed people from the poster at the end of the first video I posted.

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:24:05pm

re: #109 darthstar

Ha! Chuck Grassley's password for his hacked twitter account was "chuck123"...what a maroon!

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

I wonder how often people rob his luggage or steal all his air.
/

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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:24:12pm

re: #109 darthstar

Ha! Chuck Grassley's password for his hacked twitter account was "chuck123"...what a maroon!

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

Youtube Video

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:24:34pm

re: #116 HAL2010

Actually you can see the line of unemployed people from the poster at the end of the first video I posted.

*sigh*
I'm not saying you're wrong about the origin. You're right. Now explain why this particular slogan was used as a prototype. "Lazy" is not an explanation.

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shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:24:53pm

re: #116 HAL2010

Actually you can see the line of unemployed people from the poster at the end of the first video I posted.

Romney might have borrowed the words and semiotics. But it all means something different in the American "here and now". Kind of like the word "fanny" in England and the US...

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HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:25:21pm

re: #104 simoom

Just like the "Obama's never had a job" or had "to work a real job", or "Obama doesn't value hard work," etc -- it's hard not to see a huge white on black banner with "OBAMA ISN'T WORKING" emblazoned as a not-so-subtle nod to the U.S. racial stereotype of African-Americans as shiftless & lazy. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that it wasn't the marketing gurus main focus in crafting those messages, but not that they were unaware of the secondary messaging implicit in those slogans and they at least didn't care enough to choose less loaded phrasings.

The slogan was invented in 1979!
When unemployment was high in England. He simply stole the advert, you can even see the line in the first video.

If anything it is more related to the "Obama is a socialist" canard, trying to paint him as a European left-winger.

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:25:45pm

re: #120 imp_62

Romney might have borrowed the words and semiotics. But it all means something different in the American "here and now". Kind of like the word "fanny" in England and the US...

That's what you turn to when the A/C breaks down or you've forgotten to pay the electric bill.
;)

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aagcobb Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:25:59pm

re: #113 iceweasel

Ugh, did people look at the link for that date rape comment? I want to punch that guy in the face for making it and then giggling about it.

C'mon, where's your sense of humor? What's funnier than rape?/

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:26:01pm

The slogan was invented in 1979!

And with that it's time to wind up.

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HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:26:10pm

re: #120 imp_62

Romney might have borrowed the words and semiotics. But it all means something different in the American "here and now". Kind of like the word "fanny" in England and the US...

In Sweden that is a girl's name. Can't make this stuff up.

OT, but I needed a chuckle.

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Jimmah Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:26:30pm

Jesus Christ.

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simoom Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:26:38pm

BTW, it's sort of interesting to see some of Romney's deviations from his prepared remarks. For example:

[Link: mittromney.com...]

Prepared Remarks: "You know that this President has run out of ideas. He’s run out of excuses. And, with your help, 2012 will be the year he runs out of time."

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Romney: "... has run out of time. This president has run out of ideas. This president has run out of excuses. In 2012 we gotta make sure he's run out of the office of the White House!"

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iceweasel Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:27:02pm

re: #123 aagcobb

C'mon, where's your sense of humor? What's funnier than rape?/

i recently reread Alice Sebold's memoir "lucky". What an amazing book.

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dragonath Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:27:05pm

I think this slogan is proof that Romney doesn't have an original bone in his entire body. Boy howdy, an ad from '79 is really gonna show the Democrats.

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shutdown Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:27:41pm

re: #122 oaktree

That's what you turn to when the A/C breaks down or you've forgotten to pay the electric bill.
;)

It's what you get none of when you forget to pay the bills and the A/C breaks down :D

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aagcobb Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:28:24pm

re: #120 imp_62

Romney might have borrowed the words and semiotics. But it all means something different in the American "here and now". Kind of like the word "fanny" in England and the US...

Or the word "fag." Last year my english niece was visiting, and it was rather strange hearing her ask where she could buy some fags.

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simoom Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:29:02pm

re: #121 HAL2010

The slogan was invented in 1979!
When unemployment was high in England. He simply stole the advert, you can even see the line in the first video.

The same slogan has drastically different implications when applied to a black man in the U.S.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:29:05pm

re: #131 aagcobb

Or the word "fag." Last year my english niece was visiting, and it was rather strange hearing her ask where she could buy some fags.

lol

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Lidane Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:29:16pm

re: #129 dragonath

I think this slogan is proof that Romney doesn't have an original bone in his entire body. Boy howdy, a slogan from '79 is really gonna show Democrats.

A slogan from '79 is totally relevant! Obama's just a black Jimmy Carter!

/Freeper

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HAL2010 Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:29:55pm

re: #131 aagcobb

In England, we like to sit on out bums. Doesn't quite work like that in the US (I hear ...)

Well it's been interesting, but I need to leave and read a paper exploring a hypothesis on the cross-country differences in country growth.

Anyway, always a pleasure.

Laters!

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Jimmah Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:30:03pm

re: #126 Jimmah

Jesus Christ.

Youtube Video

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:30:33pm

re: #136 Jimmah

Always a ding for them.

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iceweasel Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:30:54pm

re: #137 Sergey Romanov

Always a ding for them.

Yeah!

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darthstar Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:31:22pm

re: #118 Varek Raith

[Video]

I updinged your Spaceballs video before even clicking it. That's how strong the Schwartz was in that post.

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Bulworth Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:34:02pm

Sigh, that president obama, he's so divisive and not-bipartisanny. /

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darthstar Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:34:50pm

What the friggin' fuck?

Adler wrote Jan. 13 that Obama's assassination could be one of Israel's options in preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons. He was roundly condemned by national and local Jewish groups after larger media outlets reported on his column.

...snip...

U.S. Secret Service spokesman Max Milien says the agency is following up on the matter.

Ya think?

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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:35:56pm

re: #125 HAL2010

In Sweden that is a girl's name. Can't make this stuff up.

OT, but I needed a chuckle.

Also in the US. But I guess you wouldn't know that.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:37:10pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

Also in the US. But I guess you wouldn't know that.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

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Lidane Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:39:42pm

Apparently, the POTUS is also an alien:

Newt: President Operates On 'Planet Obama'

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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:40:21pm

re: #143 Sergey Romanov

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

and

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

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chunkymonkey Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:40:52pm

Charles sez:

Wow. That’s the Republican Party’s Speaker of the House, actually calling the President of the United States “un-American.” And nobody even blinks.

Boehner actually said:

This is a president who said I’m not going to be a divider, I’m going to be a uniter, and running on the politics of division and envy is – to me it’s almost un-American

Notice the difference. Boehner didn't call the president "un-American," he called the president's politics "almost un-American."

See that? Even CNN knows the difference:

saying the politics the president is running on are “almost un-American.”

Might at least want to spruce up your headline there, eh? Or does accuracy not matter when you are attacking your enemies?

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:40:54pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:41:12pm

re: #144 Lidane

Apparently, the POTUS is also an alien:

Newt: President Operates On 'Planet Obama'

What does Newt know, being from planet Gelgamek and all?

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darthstar Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:42:22pm

Hm...must be time to spank the monkey...wait, what?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:42:38pm

re: #146 chunkymonkey

But that's what it means. "Un-American" is not a real descriptor. It's a person who does "un-American" things.

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Obdicut Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:43:21pm

re: #146 chunkymonkey

Oh, just his policies. No big, then.

Sheesh. That's the spin, really?

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erik_t Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:43:22pm

re: #146 chunkymonkey

OMG I CALLED IT

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Jimmah Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:43:37pm

LOL Imagine what it must be like to be a stalker. Where the most exciting thing in your life right now is Walter L. Newton.

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darthstar Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:43:47pm

re: #150 Sergey Romanov

But that's what it means. "Un-American" is not a real descriptor. It's a person who does "un-American" things.

And it's a dog whistle for the bigots on the right. Un-American...foreign...Kenyan...same shit, different speaker.

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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:43:50pm

re: #146 chunkymonkey

Charles sez:

Boehner actually said:

Notice the difference. Boehner didn't call the president "un-American," he called the president's politics "almost un-American."

See that? Even CNN knows the difference:

Might at least want to spruce up your headline there, eh? Or does accuracy not matter when you are attacking your enemies?

Hi there monkey, oh master of nuance.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:44:13pm

re: #151 Obdicut

Oh, just his policies. No big, then.

Sheesh. That's the spin, really?

Because apparently there's some physical indicator of being "un-American", other than deeds.

PS: wait a minute...

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iceweasel Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:44:27pm

re: #152 erik_t

OMG I CALLED IT

You did!

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:44:35pm

re: #153 Jimmah

lololol

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lawhawk Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:45:45pm

re: #144 Lidane

As opposed to the wingnuts, who operate straight out of Prison Planet.

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iceweasel Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:50:17pm

Iceweasel confidential to Jimmah: the wine pours better after you remove the cork.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:51:17pm

re: #160 iceweasel

Iceweasel confidential to Jimmah: the wine pours better after you remove the cork.

DECODED!!!/

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Jimmah Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:52:43pm

re: #160 iceweasel

Iceweasel confidential to Jimmah: the wine pours better after you remove the cork.

OBSERVATIONAL DATA CONFIRMS THIS ASSESSMENT.

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:53:15pm

re: #153 Jimmah

*smooch*
There, that's exciting!
;)

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:53:38pm

re: #157 iceweasel

Oooh, my fave!
*waves*

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iceweasel Tue, Jan 24, 2012 1:54:42pm

re: #164 Floral Giraffe

Oooh, my fave!
*waves*

hey cutie! How the hell are you? Smooches!

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Buck Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:27:03pm

I waited to see if anyone else would mention this, but noting that no one did....

Of course, to be fair, Obama did call Bush “Unpatriotic” (due to the $4 trillion debt increase).

Maybe the speaker should have said Unpatriotic. Would that have been better?

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Irving Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:36:56pm

re: #37 Charles

The right wing blogs are incredibly worked up about Obama's SOTU. We could be approaching the wingularity.

It has been proven by now that the wingularity is unapproachable - every time you think we've hit it, they go even farther. It's been tested repeatedly by now.

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Lidane Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:45:37pm

What part of the Establishment Clause do these assholes not understand?

AZ GOPer Proposes Elective High School Bible Course

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:47:06pm

re: #168 Lidane

What part of the Establishment Clause do these assholes not understand?

AZ GOPer Proposes Elective High School Bible Course

Someone smart should propose a Quran course.

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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:59:41pm

re: #168 Lidane

What part of the Establishment Clause do these assholes not understand?

AZ GOPer Proposes Elective High School Bible Course

Given the language of the AZ law that nixed the Ethnics Studies program, I can't see how this class could be feasible.

Oh...right. I always forget about the basic premise of two parallel standards.

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Jimmi the Grey Tue, Jan 24, 2012 3:12:05pm

re: #170 The Ghost of a Flea

Given the language of the AZ law that nixed the Ethnics Studies program, I can't see how this class could be feasible.

Oh...right. I always forget about the basic premise of two parallel standards.

Yeah, I was gonna comment that Yawehistic mythology is not technically Greco/Roman traditions...

[apologies for spelling errors if there are any, spellcheck was no help]

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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 24, 2012 3:30:37pm

re: #166 Buck

I waited to see if anyone else would mention this, but noting that no one did...

Of course, to be fair, Obama did call Bush “Unpatriotic” (due to the $4 trillion debt increase).

Maybe the speaker should have said Unpatriotic. Would that have been better?

Can you tell us what exactly is "patriotic" about starting a premptive war in the middle east that drew man power and resources away from the actually justified war that we were already fighting?

Can you tell us what exactly is "patriotic" about no bid contracts to rebuild various parts of that nation which you already spent so much money destroying in the first place?

Can you tell me what exactly is "patriotic" about giving a great big tax break to people who didn't need the money by a long shot?

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Romantic Heretic Tue, Jan 24, 2012 4:37:33pm

re: #40 Lidane

That won't happen until election night, especially if Obama wins a second term.

That is a night I will be staying away from all public places. Should Obama win, and I think he will, I suspect a fair number of people may be picking up their Second Amendment voting machines, and using them.

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Neo_ Wed, Jan 25, 2012 6:12:07am

“An economy built to last, where hard work pays off, and responsibility is rewarded.”

Besides ripping off the first part from Ford, this sounds racist by the measure used for comments by Republican candidates.

But you have to give "The Man" credit for coming up with the idea that future "means-testing" for federal programs should not be based on the money you save during you lifetime.

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Obdicut Wed, Jan 25, 2012 6:15:37am

re: #174 Neo_

End of thread troll says what?

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