Sunday Night Silly Video: Willy Wonka Remix
Gettin’ down with Grandpa Joe and Charlie
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(h/t: Dangerous Minds.)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:41:34pm |
Gene Wilder is the shit. He wrote the screen play for Young Frankenstein, dontchya know.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:43:27pm |
re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Gene Wilder is the shit. He wrote the screen play for Young Frankenstein, dontchya know.
He really is one of my favorites from the era.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:46:18pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
When Gilda passed, I really felt bad. Not so much for our loss of a brilliant woman/comedian, but for Gene's loss. I really do consider him a giant of sorts.
Gilda too.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 6:58:02pm |
Ugh, the birthers have gotten some "respectability" again because of Pravda, of all things. Apparently in a bit of political tit-for-tat, they're responding to criticisms about Putin's election by wondering aloud why Obama's not taking Sheriff Joe's "Cold Case Posse" seriously and trying to put the whole issue to rest. And the birthers, being the creatures of habit we've come to know, are demanding to know why Pravda's asking the question but not our own press.
Le sigh.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:00:56pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
Ugh, the birthers have gotten some "respectability" again because of Pravda, of all things. Apparently in a bit of political tit-for-tat, they're responding to criticisms about Putin's election by wondering aloud why Obama's not taking Sheriff Joe's "Cold Case Posse" seriously and trying to put the whole issue to rest. And the birthers, being the creatures of habit we've come to know, are demanding to know why Pravda's asking the question but not our own press.
Le sigh.
Because they're dirty commies attacking the President! WAIT A SEC!
/JBS
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:03:43pm |
re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
When Gilda passed, I really felt bad. Not so much for our loss of a brilliant woman/comedian, but for Gene's loss. I really do consider him a giant of sorts.
Gilda too.
Not only him losing Gilda, but also Richard Pryor, one of the best comedic partners one could have, to the ravages of MS.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:08:02pm |
His Imperial Crankiness (resident Feline Overlord) is meowing in time to this to complain about the lack of tuna in his dish. Especially while I sit here watching this instead of fixing the situation.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:09:47pm |
Man, that episode of The Walking Dead was intense.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:11:32pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
NO SPOILERS!!!!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:14:21pm |
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:15:28pm |
re: #12 To hold my temper, most of the time.
There were zombies.
I thought the ninjas were a bit over the top, but the dinosaurs were a nice touch.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:17:06pm |
re: #12 To hold my temper, most of the time.
YOU TRAMP!!!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:18:21pm |
re: #13 Kragar
I thought the ninjas were a bit over the top, but the dinosaurs were a nice touch.
My favorite was the carnivorous, singing, glow-in-the-dark unicorns.
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:18:31pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
Ugh, the birthers have gotten some "respectability" again because of Pravda, of all things. Apparently in a bit of political tit-for-tat, they're responding to criticisms about Putin's election by wondering aloud why Obama's not taking Sheriff Joe's "Cold Case Posse" seriously and trying to put the whole issue to rest. And the birthers, being the creatures of habit we've come to know, are demanding to know why Pravda's asking the question but not our own press.
Le sigh.
Pravda is a rag.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:19:52pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:20:01pm |
re: #15 To hold my temper, most of the time.
My favorite was the carnivorous, singing, glow-in-the-dark unicorns.
I thought that was the My Little Pony; Zombies are Magic episode...
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:20:23pm |
re: #16 b_sharp
Pravda is a rag.
"In the Truth there is no news, and in the News there is no truth."
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:21:56pm |
I have never watched The Walking Dead.
Ever.
I don't believe zombies should get any press, cause they're all me, me, me in your face narcissists.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:21:59pm |
re: #15 To hold my temper, most of the time.
My favorite was the carnivorous, singing, glow-in-the-dark unicorns.
I wasn't expecting the giant carnivorous sand clown either. Brilliant!!!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:27:12pm |
Meanwhile, Limbart and Breitbaugh both command more media attention than Mitt Romney.
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erik_t Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:28:23pm |
re: #23 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
Even in death, Breitbaugh is more interesting than Mitt Romney.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:28:50pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:28:55pm |
I see this everyday but you guys might find it interesting.
Image: FeO08.jpg
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:29:02pm |
re: #22 lawhawk
To this day I remain slightly disappointed that the Everlasting Gobstopper does not exist.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:29:46pm |
Dear entertainment industry.
This is a cease and desist notice. Please stop including no talent rap artists shitting all over a single verse in otherwise pleasant songs.
Thank you
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:30:35pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
Optical illusion, photoshopish, or real mini-camera stuff?
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:30:47pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
I see this everyday but you guys might find it interesting.
Image: FeO08.jpg
Wow, that's one big violin.
How did you do that, mini-camera?
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:30:51pm |
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:33:38pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
I see this everyday but you guys might find it interesting.
Image: FeO08.jpg
The one on the right looks like it has been repaired at some point.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:34:05pm |
re: #28 Kragar
Dear entertainment industry.
This is a cease and desist notice. Please stop including no talent rap artists shitting all over a single verse in otherwise pleasant songs.
Thank you
To perhaps ease your pain, I offer Ice-T rapping over James Brown's "The Boss".
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:35:41pm |
re: #30 b_sharp
Killgore is actually a Smurf. Kinda like those tiny elves that secretly help the cobbler while he sleeps. Except instead of shoes, he works on fine musical instruments.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:36:28pm |
dependency injection and aspect oriented programming
where will it all end?
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Amory Blaine Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:36:49pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
Looked like inside shots of a real cool apartment at first.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:39:21pm |
re: #34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Killgore is actually
a SmurfGargamel.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:40:36pm |
re: #37 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
Nah. I don't think he's a cat lover.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:41:22pm |
re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Optical illusion, photoshopish, or real mini-camera stuff?
I'm pretty sure it's real. not sure what kind of camera or endoscope they're using. That's really what they look like inside. The first frame is from the neck end towards the lower bout, the second is from the lower bout up.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:42:20pm |
I just got done watching H.B.O.'s "Game Change" and thought it was great, they really did stick it to Palin with a vengeance while (almost entirely) sticking to the known facts. I read some peoples reviews and have to say I disagree just a bit, many say the main theme they got from watching was of Palin being considerable out of her depth and possibly even mentally unstable. I saw the main theme as revolving around the mistake made by some members of the campaign staff in selecting her in the first place and then them struggling mightily to keep the campaign afloat once they realized just how flawed their candidate for V.P. was.
I suppose that is kind of a six of one vs. half a dozen of the other nuance but that is how I saw it. I also really enjoyed Woody Harrelson's performance as the strategist mainly responsible for pushing her on McCain who valiantly strives to keep their sinking ship afloat. Julianne Moore gave a dead on performance as Sarah Palin, the voice, the mannerisms, the wink, even better than Tina Fey on SNL.
No hugh LOL moments, but quite a few that will gain a chuckle or at least a snarky grin if you are not a Palin fan.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:42:56pm |
re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Nah. I don't think he's a cat lover.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:43:10pm |
re: #32 b_sharp
The one on the right looks like it has been repaired at some point.
That's why I'm pretty sure it's a real photograph. Those cleats hold together cracks. All old violins have those repairs.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:43:31pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:45:52pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
Ugh, the birthers have gotten some "respectability" again because of Pravda, of all things. Apparently in a bit of political tit-for-tat, they're responding to criticisms about Putin's election by wondering aloud why Obama's not taking Sheriff Joe's "Cold Case Posse" seriously and trying to put the whole issue to rest. And the birthers, being the creatures of habit we've come to know, are demanding to know why Pravda's asking the question but not our own press.
Le sigh.
How can a purely online, Alex Jones-level publication without respectability or clout, add respectability to anything, rather than take it away by endorsing something? ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:47:57pm |
re: #41 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Well I'll be flat-fucked sideways. I hate Killgore even more now. Gawt damned hippie!
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:48:01pm |
I should mention I found the awesome thing in Fallout:
Charon looks awesome in Samurai Armor and a Stormchaser Hat.
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:48:01pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
That's why I'm pretty sure it's a real photograph. Those cleats hold together cracks. All old violins have those repairs.
I've had my head inside a few acoustic guitars, but never a violin.
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:49:00pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
That's why I'm pretty sure it's a real photograph. Those cleats hold together cracks. All old violins have those repairs.
The lighting is impressive.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:50:27pm |
re: #44 Martryr Cookie Monster
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:52:11pm |
re: #44 Martryr Cookie Monster
How can a purely online, Alex Jones-level publication without respectability or clout, add respectability to anything, rather than take it away by endorsing something? ;)
Apparently we're seen as a laughing stock if Pravda's talking about it but the New York Times isn't. Basically, they're trying to treat Pravda as a major paper, rather than as the Russian version of World Nut Daily.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:52:16pm |
re: #48 b_sharp
The lighting is impressive.
It is. Actually that's two different fiddles. The first one is is actually a new violin. decently made but not exceptional choice of materials. The second pic on the right is a finely made violin at least 100 years old.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:53:03pm |
re: #50 Targetpractice
Well, yeah, that's what gets me. Pravda is just a private site. It means nothing.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:54:16pm |
[Link: www.thisiscolossal.com...]
[Link: www.behance.net...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:54:53pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:55:46pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
I see this everyday but you guys might find it interesting.
Image: FeO08.jpg
that's amazing!
but now i want to remodel my living room to look like that
btw - why do you see it everyday?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:56:21pm |
re: #55 engineer cat
that's amazing!
but now i want to remodel my living room to look like that
btw - why do you see it everyday?
I restore violins and cellos for a living.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:57:36pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:57:46pm |
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:59:29pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
It is. Actually that's two different fiddles. The first one is is actually a new violin. decently made but not exceptional choice of materials. The second pic on the right is a finely made violin at least 100 years old.
I try to keep my guitars in a temperature and moisture controlled area, I've seen too many soundboards crack from dryness. That's why I recognized the cleats for what they are.
Trying to repair an instrument through f-holes must be a real pain, although things like magnets probably come in handy. I used to buy parts and tools from Stew-Mac and noticed a couple of specialty tools for placing cleats on the inside of violins.
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ozbloke Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:59:39pm |
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:01:52pm |
Hey, look what Wikipedia's featured article tomorrow is:
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:02:15pm |
re: #56 Killgore Trout
I restore violins and cellos for a living.
I just noticed the one on the left doesn't have any visible cross braces and the soundboard looks to be made of plywood.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:06:43pm |
I propose a remake of Buckaroo Banzai starring Neil Patrick Harris.
WHO IS WITH ME?
/storms for the door
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:09:00pm |
re: #63 Kragar
I propose a remake of Buckaroo Banzai starring Neil Patrick Harris.
WHO IS WITH ME?
/storms for the door
Who would you have for John Bigboote?
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:10:27pm |
re: #64 b_sharp
Who would you have for John Bigboote?
Raiin Wilson.
Will Ferrel would be Dr. Lazardo.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:10:44pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
Ugh, the birthers have gotten some "respectability" again because of Pravda, of all things. Apparently in a bit of political tit-for-tat, they're responding to criticisms about Putin's election by wondering aloud why Obama's not taking Sheriff Joe's "Cold Case Posse" seriously and trying to put the whole issue to rest. And the birthers, being the creatures of habit we've come to know, are demanding to know why Pravda's asking the question but not our own press.
Le sigh.
That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense as an argument, which makes it perfect for the birthers.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:10:49pm |
re: #58 engineer cat
awesome!
ever see any viols?
plz notez: viol is not the same as viola
i've acquired a fondness for viol consort music
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:11:32pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:12:00pm |
re: #61 ProGunLiberal
Hey, look what Wikipedia's featured article tomorrow is:
Partisan editing of the article begins in 3..2..1...DERP!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:12:49pm |
re: #67 engineer cat
plz notez: viol is not the same as viola
i've acquired a fondness for viol consort music
I love those "mushy" cat gut strings.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:15:30pm |
re: #59 b_sharp
I try to keep my guitars in a temperature and moisture controlled area, I've seen too many soundboards crack from dryness. That's why I recognized the cleats for what they are.
Trying to repair an instrument through f-holes must be a real pain, although things like magnets probably come in handy. I used to buy parts and tools from Stew-Mac and noticed a couple of specialty tools for placing cleats on the inside of violins.
Violins are actually much easier to repair which is why they last so long. They are designed to be taken apart and reassembled. Guitars aren't and there's only so much you can do (within reason) to save them.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:19:34pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
Violins are actually much easier to repair which is why they last so long. They are designed to be taken apart and reassembled. Guitars aren't and there's only so much you can do (within reason) to save them.
Is that because of the built in structural rigidity due to the arched shape and the compactness of the instrument?
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:19:51pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
Violins are actually much easier to repair which is why they last so long. They are designed to be taken apart and reassembled. Guitars aren't and there's only so much you can do (within reason) to save them.
As long as they use hide glue, and don't use a spanish neck joint they can be steamed apart fairly easily, but it's not something you want to do too often.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:20:01pm |
Come Again
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:21:30pm |
re: #73 Gus
Is that because of the built in structural rigidity due to the arched shape and the compactness of the instrument?
I suspect it's more the type of glue, how the binding and purfling is attached and the neck joint.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:21:31pm |
re: #61 ProGunLiberal
Hey, look what Wikipedia's featured article tomorrow is:
I was just thinking that Wonka's response in the OP is the perfect summation of how the GOP is gonna come out over the contraception mandate: "You lose! You get nothing! Good day, sir!"
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:22:05pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
Violins are actually much easier to repair which is why they last so long. They are designed to be taken apart and reassembled. Guitars aren't and there's only so much you can do (within reason) to save them.
Can I rent out your greenhouse for a bit???
It's cold.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:26:57pm |
re: #78 Varek Raith
Can I rent out your greenhouse for a bit???
It's cold.
If you can withstand the pepperspray and baton beating I suppose you've earned it.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:28:13pm |
The strange things you learn from reading peoples biographies...
I never would have known that at least some American Occupation Force Soldiers in Germany in 1946 were smoking smuggled pot flown in by Army Air Force personnel from Africa.
...Thank you Tony Bennett. ;)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:28:26pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:28:35pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
How does one decide to become a luthier? Through a hobby?
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:29:26pm |
Thought this was interesting: John Wayne on liberals. He even mentions Keynesian economics.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:29:44pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
If you can withstand the pepperspray and baton beating I suppose you've earned it.
"Occupy Greenhouse"?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:31:28pm |
re: #77 Targetpractice
I was just thinking that Wonka's response in the OP is the perfect summation of how the GOP is gonna come out over the contraception mandate: "You lose! You get nothing! Good day, sir!"
A major turning point for the movement came during World War I, when many U.S. servicemen were diagnosed with venereal diseases. The government's response included an anti-venereal disease campaign that framed sexual intercourse and contraception as issues of public health and legitimate topics of scientific research. This was the first time a U.S. government institution had engaged in a sustained, public discussion of sexual matters; as a consequence, contraception transformed from an issue of morals to an issue of public health.
History is important!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:31:49pm |
re: #63 Kragar
I will track you down and...
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:32:52pm |
re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
I will track you down and...
Support my efforts to the best of your abilities.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:33:40pm |
re: #63 Kragar
I propose a remake of Buckaroo Banzai starring Neil Patrick Harris.
WHO IS WITH ME?
/storms for the door
I propose a remake of Howard The Duck starring Stuff That Doesn't Suck.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:33:49pm |
re: #66 Dark_Falcon
I'm actually a bit surprised Putin would be that petty to be a birther (as least that's what I get out of the statement).
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:33:58pm |
re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
I will track you down and...
RULES: No wigs, sundresses and butcher knives.
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:34:20pm |
re: #83 Martryr Cookie Monster
How does one decide to become a luthier? Through a hobby?
Apprentice to a luthier after taking classes, and/or having it as a hobby for a few years.
I tried it as a hobby for a couple of years, but never got any good at it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:34:29pm |
re: #90 ProGunLiberal
I'm actually a bit surprised Putin would be that petty to be a birther (as least that's what I get out of the statement).
What does Putin have to do with this?
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:35:25pm |
re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
I propose a remake of Howard The Duck starring Stuff That Doesn't Suck.
Starring Patrick Warburton as Dr. Bong.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:35:34pm |
re: #88 Kragar
I might be convinced to support a remake of Big Trouble in Little China.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:39:28pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:39:50pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:42:46pm |
re: #94 Gus
Who the hell is serving drinks in this joint?
I'm more worried about those drinking joints on this server.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:43:41pm |
re: #102 Gus
In shot glasses that look like half a large lizard egg shell. Argh.
//
But why is the rum gone?!
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:43:43pm |
re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
I'm more worried about those drinking joints on this server.
That would be rough. Get a chance to listen to Duke?
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Mocking Jay Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:44:12pm |
Hm. I was going to take Game Change with a big grain of salt, but even Nicole Wallace says it was "true enough to make [her] squirm."
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:44:17pm |
re: #93 Martryr Cookie Monster
Sorry, misread. I'm a tick out of it.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:44:48pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
But why is the rum gone?!
And the limes to prevent scurvy! Hoist up the sails! We sail towards Tahiti tonight.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:45:04pm |
re: #104 Gus
Get a chance to listen to Duke?
Gotta admit, that went right over my head. Did we have a discussion about something I was too drunk to remember now?
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:45:12pm |
re: #107 Gus
And the limes to prevent scurvy! Hoist up the sails! We sail towards Tahiti tonight.
//
I got a jar of dirt.
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palomino Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:46:41pm |
OT: Any ideas who the "worms" are in the esteemed Mr. Boortz's analogy?
"The situation in this country is like a dog with worms. You bring the dog to the vet to be dewormed, but the vet is Dr. Obama, and he says you can't get the dog dewormed because the worms have a vote. And that's the problem, folks: the worms have a vote," - Neal Boortz
Gee, Neal really seems to love democracy.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:46:52pm |
Whole genome analysis of Chlamydia trachomatis highlights risks with current method of tracking
In a study released today in Nature Genetics, researchers have found that Chlamydia has evolved more actively than was previously thought. Using whole genome sequencing the researchers show that the exchange of DNA between different strains of Chlamydia to form new strains is much more common than expected.
The team highlights that current clinical testing methods do not capture the variation between Chlamydia strains. [...]Chlamydia trachomatis is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI) both in the UK and globally, with approximately 100 million new cases worldwide each year. It is also the most common cause of infectious blindness, or trachoma, in the developing world. Relatively little is known about the evolution of the different strains of Chlamydia that are causing infection.
"Scientists recently discovered that if two Chlamydia strains co-infect the same person at the same time, they can swap DNA by a process called recombination." explains Dr Simon Harris, lead author from the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute. "This was originally thought only to affect a few 'hotspots' within the genome. We were very surprised to find recombination is far more widespread than previously thought."
[...]
Uh oh...
Making health insurance companies cover STDs is funding the evolution of STDs!
Wait... evolution is a hoax!
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:46:55pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
But why is the rum gone?!
Somebody used it as a propellant in a potato gun.
It wasn't me.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:47:56pm |
re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Gotta admit, that went right over my head. Did we have a discussion about something I was too drunk to remember now?
John Wayne video above. Not really important. :)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:49:13pm |
re: #106 ProGunLiberal
Sorry, misread. I'm a tick out of it.
Pravda.ru is a private outfit that is no different than breitbart.com or wnd.com. It's not an official source. It's not a respectable source. It's not a newspaper.
While materials appearing there may serve some interests or other, depending on who pays, it doesn't represent any sort of a respectable Russian consensus on anything.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:49:57pm |
re: #110 palomino
OT: Any ideas who the "worms" are in the esteemed Mr. Boortz's analogy?
Gee, Neal really seems to love democracy.
He is comparing American Citizens to worms?
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:50:01pm |
re: #115 Martryr Cookie Monster
Pravda.ru is a private outfit that is no different than breitbart.com or wnd.com. It's not an official source. It's not a respectable source. It's not a newspaper.
While materials appearing there may serve some interests or other, depending on who pays, it doesn't represent any sort of a respectable Russian consensus on anything.
IMO? [Looks around.] Pravda is the world champion.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:50:46pm |
That is. Pravda always wins the gold. Breitbart get the bronze and WND the silver.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:50:54pm |
re: #117 Gus
Pravda.ru is a business first and foremost ;)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:51:19pm |
re: #110 palomino
OT: Any ideas who the "worms" are in the esteemed Mr. Boortz's analogy?
Gee, Neal really seems to love democracy.
Why do i get the feeling that he thinks the "worms" are people who aren't white and/or aren't "conservative"?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:51:20pm |
re: #118 Gus
I think in degree of nuttiness nothing comes close to WND.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:52:13pm |
Also, it's not Pravda. It's Pravda.ru. Pravda is a commie newspaper.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:52:37pm |
re: #122 Martryr Cookie Monster
Also, it's not Pravda. It's Pravda.ru. Pravda is a commie newspaper.
The devil wears Pravda.
//
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:53:07pm |
re: #121 Martryr Cookie Monster
I think in degree of nuttiness nothing comes close to WND.
WND ain't got nothing on TimeCube.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:53:29pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:54:31pm |
Everything on timecube is a rotating title nomination.
Everything.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:55:07pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
Why do i get the feeling that he thinks the "worms" are people who aren't white and/or aren't "conservative"?
(people who aren't productive)
/
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erik_t Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:55:18pm |
Fact: $CAT is much less picky about when exactly she comes inside when the outside air temperature is +55F instead of +15F.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:55:20pm |
MAGNIFICENT
SUPERNATURAl
4 DAY TIMECUBE,SAME ROTATION.
VOIDS 1 DAY RELIGIONS -
CONTRADICTS 1 DAY GODS.
Fraudulent ONEness of religious
academia has retarded your opposite
rationale brain to a half brain slave.
YOU IGNORE 3 OF 4 DAYS -
FORCE 4 DAYS ON EARTH,
THEY ALREADY EXIST.
4 HORSEMEN HAVE 4 DAYS
IN ONLY 1 EARTH ROTATION.
4 ANGLES STOOD ON 4 CORNERS.
4 CORNERS ROTATE TO 16 CORNERS
WHICH EQUAL TO 4 CORNER DAYS.
TEACHERS ARE EVIL LIARS - THE
ONEness OF GOD IS STILLness DEATH.
YOU WERE ONEness RETARD ON THE
EARTH OPPOSITES ALL YOUR LIFE.
LOVE OF GOD IS HATE OF CHILDREN.
SUPPORT TIMECUBE OR BE CURSED.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:57:53pm |
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:58:02pm |
Now we toast to our enemies!
Bring up the challis!
Drink!
[Dobro slide]
[String trio staccato]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:58:16pm |
re: #128 erik_t
Fact: $CAT is much less picky about when exactly she comes inside when the outside air temperature is +55F instead of +15F.
_The Physics of Cats_, eh? Your future bestseller?
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:58:29pm |
re: #129 Martryr Cookie Monster
I AM THE KEEPER OF THE CHEESE... AND YOU ARE THE LEMON MERCHANT!
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erik_t Sun, Mar 11, 2012 8:58:59pm |
re: #129 Martryr Cookie Monster
Imagine the writings of the child of Gene Ray and Sarah Palin.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:00:22pm |
re: #134 erik_t
Imagine the writings of the child of Gene Ray and Sarah Palin.
...I think I just felt my brain just try to escape in protest. Ow.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:01:16pm |
re: #134 erik_t
Imagine the writings of the child of Gene Ray and Sarah Palin.
[Turns over the ship's railing and proceeds to vomit.]
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:01:41pm |
Dr Gene Ray steps inside his backyard shed, a wooden building constructed for the purpose of housing his Time Cube notes. All those boxes we can see stacked up at the back of the shed are in fact Dr Ray's "papers and notes" as he says. He has clearly accumulated a huge amount of Time Cube material over the past few decades.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:02:14pm |
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palomino Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:06:22pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
Why do i get the feeling that he thinks the "worms" are people who aren't white and/or aren't "conservative"?
Yeah, afraid so. Problem for Boortz is that these "worms" become a bigger part of the population each day, while his demo (mid aged and older white males, often filled with sexist and racist bitterness) gets just a little smaller each day.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:06:37pm |
The Fox News site run of this AP article has already gather over 1500 comments, and I expect as this court case goes forward that vested parties will make sure that even more coverage will be forthcoming in the politico-sphere:
Former NASA specialist claims he was fired over intelligent design
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory [...] latest mission is defending itself in a workplace lawsuit filed by a former computer specialist who claims he was demoted -- and then let go -- for promoting his views on intelligent design, the belief that a higher power must have had a hand in creation because life is too complex to have developed through evolution alone.
David Coppedge, who worked as a "team lead" on the Cassini mission exploring Saturn and its many moons, alleges that he was discriminated against because he engaged his co-workers in conversations about intelligent design and handed out DVDs on the idea while at work. Coppedge lost his "team lead" title in 2009 and was let go last year after 15 years on the mission.
Opening statements are expected to begin Monday in Los Angeles Superior Court after two years of legal wrangling in a case that has generated interest among supporters of intelligent design. The Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian civil rights group, and the Discovery Institute, a proponent of intelligent design, are both supporting Coppedge's case.
[...]
Coppedge, who began working for JPL as a contractor in 1996 and was hired in 2003, is active in the intelligent design sphere and runs a website that interprets scientific discoveries through the lens of intelligent design. His father authored an anti-evolution book and founded a Christian outreach group.
He is also a board member for Illustra Media, a company that produces video documentaries examining the scientific evidence for intelligent design. The company produces the videos that Coppedge was handing out to co-workers, said Becker, his attorney.
[...]
This is an interesting case for multiple reasons. One is that Coppedge is claiming religious discrimination, based on handing out ID material. Isn't this a declaration that ID is in fact religious by nature?
The DI of course would never admit to their blatant hypocrisy here.
And, I'm not sure that JPL will win the case. This will come down to how well the legal teams perform their legal-jujitsu, no?
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:08:19pm |
One of the reasons we should not want Iran to gain nukes is because I don't want to see the possibility of Iran being nuked either.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:09:25pm |
re: #141 freetoken
he engaged his co-workers in conversations about intelligent design and handed out DVDs on the idea while at work
It seems like he was both not working while while at work and wasting other people's time too.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:09:33pm |
One thing you could say about Buckley and Novak is that at least most of the time they had class.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:09:41pm |
re: #141 freetoken
The Fox News site run of this AP article has already gather over 1500 comments, and I expect as this court case goes forward that vested parties will make sure that even more coverage will be forthcoming in the politico-sphere:
Former NASA specialist claims he was fired over intelligent design
This is an interesting case for multiple reasons. One is that Coppedge is claiming religious discrimination, based on handing out ID material. Isn't this a declaration that ID is in fact religious by nature?
The DI of course would never admit to their blatant hypocrisy here.
And, I'm not sure that JPL will win the case. This will come down to how well the legal teams perform their legal-jujitsu, no?
Actually would be interesting if the case was ruled in his favor on religious grounds, as it would pretty much end ID as far as teaching it in classrooms.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:09:56pm |
the worms have a
ok, we'll limit the voting franchise to despicable morons
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:10:15pm |
re: #141 freetoken
Handing out (or emailing) religious-related materials at the work place, being told to stop, and then continuing anyways, will get you canned.
That this guy managed to just stick to ID, and keep it totally scientific? I doubt it. And then how can he claim religious discrimination?
This seriously sounds like someone who went out of his way to create his own martyrdom.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:10:27pm |
They're over 1600 comments now on that article. It seems to have attracted the usual juvenile name calling, as well as the "OBUMMER" crowd.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:12:36pm |
re: #143 jaunte
It seems like he was both not working while while at work and wasting other people's time too.
Well, it's not uncommon for people to interact in a working environment in ways that are not directly (or even indirectly) related to assigned tasks, and that is true for most any job.
Simply handing out items could be made in court, by a good defense team, to be as harmless as handing out cards at a birthday celebration, which many work environments (and I bet that happens at JPL) allow.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:12:38pm |
re: #148 freetoken
They're over 1600 comments now on that article. It seems to have attracted the usual juvenile name calling, as well as the "OBUMMER" crowd.
I AR CLEVR!
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jaunte Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:13:52pm |
re: #149 freetoken
True, i guess it depends on the frequency and amount of time spent.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:16:22pm |
re: #149 freetoken
Well, it's not uncommon for people to interact in a working environment in ways that are not directly (or even indirectly) related to assigned tasks, and that is true for most any job.
Simply handing out items could be made in court, by a good defense team, to be as harmless as handing out cards at a birthday celebration, which many work environments (and I bet that happens at JPL) allow.
If he was proselytizing during break time or with the management's permission, that's one thing. If he was doing it during work hours or despite orders not, then his defense doesn't fly. You're hired to do a job, not to convert the non-believers.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:16:30pm |
Lawrence Anthony, Baghdad Zoo Savior, Dies at 61
Lawrence Anthony, who abandoned a career in insurance and real estate to play Noah to the world’s endangered species, most spectacularly in rushing to the smoldering Baghdad Zoo after the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, died on March 2 in Johannesburg. He was 61.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:16:46pm |
re: #140 palomino
Yeah, afraid so. Problem for Boortz is that these "worms" become a bigger part of the population each day, while his demo (mid aged and older white males, often filled with sexist and racist bitterness) gets just a little smaller each day.
(the economy is going to collapse)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:18:14pm |
re: #141 freetoken
The Fox News site run of this AP article has already gather over 1500 comments, and I expect as this court case goes forward that vested parties will make sure that even more coverage will be forthcoming in the politico-sphere:
Former NASA specialist claims he was fired over intelligent design
This is an interesting case for multiple reasons. One is that Coppedge is claiming religious discrimination, based on handing out ID material. Isn't this a declaration that ID is in fact religious by nature?
The DI of course would never admit to their blatant hypocrisy here.
And, I'm not sure that JPL will win the case. This will come down to how well the legal teams perform their legal-jujitsu, no?
Perhaps he spent to much of his time at work doing non-work activities-religious or not?
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:18:17pm |
re: #152 jaunte
In a research atmosphere one expects a great deal of informality. Highly educated people working in research environments are expected to have idiosyncrasies and management (that has grown up in that atmosphere and hasn't been wheeled in from some other type of work environment) accept this.
re: #153 Targetpractice
... If he was doing it during work hours or despite orders not, then his defense doesn't fly. You're hired to do a job, not to convert the non-believers.
This is probably JPL's defense: that some management had requested that he stop. It might be their only defense.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:19:50pm |
Purchasing Power: Why Bill Maher Is Wrong About Rush
...By conflating this economic feedback loop with Rush's right to free speech, Bill Maher played into a right-wing canard, misinterpreted the protections guaranteed by the First Amendment, and did himself and his viewers a disservice. In order to uphold the First Amendment, which is very important, it helps to know what it means. It does mean that Rush should not be censored for his views by the government apparatus. His opinions should not be criminalized, nor should his business be shut down by an arbitrary panel of judges empowered by the State. But nowhere in the Constitution is Rush, or anyone else, guaranteed the right to be shielded from popular outrage if he chooses to engage in hate speech, misogyny, or slander. Advertisers who exercises their preference to support Rush do not have a right to retain customers angered by this decision.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:20:09pm |
re: #157 freetoken
In a research atmosphere one expects a great deal of informality. Highly educated people working in research environments are expected to have idiosyncrasies and management (that has grown up in that atmosphere and hasn't been wheeled in from some other type of work environment) accept this.
re: #153 Targetpractice
This is probably JPL's defense: that some management had requested that he stop. It might be their only defense.
I'm sure JPL Human Resources crossed all "t's" and dotted all "i's" on this one.
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Big Joe Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:21:59pm |
It's simple, he created a hostile work environment. Boom, gone.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:22:04pm |
re: #157 freetoken
re: #153 Targetpractice
This is probably JPL's defense: that some management had requested that he stop. It might be their only defense.
It would certainly be an effective one, provided they can show proof. You're free to worship as you like, not to expand the flock on other people's time.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:23:02pm |
re: #158 jaunte
In our Brave New World of instant total global communications we seem to have a new phenom. Maybe not, but it seems that way to me.
The Political Celebrity:
Rush
Sarah Palin
People who "technically" hold no political power, but have considerable influence.
The Lifestyle Celebrity:
Kardashians
Paris Hilton
People who have no talent but influence market for those that do.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:23:44pm |
I remember those days. Most of the animals at the Baghdad Zoo were either dead or loose. There weren't many left. Have you ever thought about what it would be like to have your city bombed? We should think more about the Iraqi people and what they went through.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:24:49pm |
re: #163 Gus
I remember those days. Most of the animals at the Baghdad Zoo were either dead or loose. There weren't many left. Have you ever thought about what it would be like to have your city bombed? We should think more about the Iraqi people and what they went through.
Iraqi people went thru alot before we got there too!
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:25:07pm |
Barrett Brown supposedly had a six figure advance yet he had to beg for money to allegedly run away from the Zetas. You have to admit he's kind of a genius. That he has them fooled for being a leader of anonymous. He's the perfect patsy.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:25:34pm |
re: #164 ggt
Iraqi people went thru alot before we got there too!
Well yes. They were executing people on the street before the invasion.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:28:07pm |
re: #165 Gus
Barrett Brown supposedly had a six figure advance yet he had to beg for money to allegedly run away from the Zetas. You have to admit he's kind of a genius. That he has them fooled for being a leader of anonymous. He's the perfect patsy.
Had a run in with a member of Anon the other day playing an MMO. After about a minute, I shut him down with "How can I be sure you aren't an FBI informant?"
2 minutes later, he got booted for threats.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:28:11pm |
re: #166 Gus
Well yes. They were executing people on the street before the invasion.
genocide, mass graves, disappearing people, torture chambers . . . .
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:31:29pm |
Humans have a thing about punishment.re: #168 Kragar
Had a run in with a member of Anon the other day playing an MMO. After about a minute, I shut him down with "How can I be sure you aren't an FBI informant?"
2 minutes later, he got booted for threats.
My message to anonymous would be this. You are breaking the law. A felony in fact. Some of you are looking at a possibility of 18 years max. At the very least you become a felon and you can't vote in your state. Is it worth it?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:31:48pm |
re: #169 ggt
And the sorry results of the invasion on top of all that. Thanks, Bush.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:32:00pm |
re: #169 ggt
genocide, mass graves, disappearing people, torture chambers . . .
They used drills and 12 volt car batteries.
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:32:37pm |
re: #171 Martryr Cookie Monster
And the sorry results of the invasion on top of all that. Thanks, Bush.
And that. They got the triple layer cake.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:35:13pm |
re: #173 Gus
I wholly support invasions when they are necessary to stop genocides, and this, of course, is not what happened in this case - the invasion was not for humanitarian reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if more people died due to the invasion than due to all of Saddam's murderous actions taken together.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:35:22pm |
I'm outta here for a while.
Have a great evening all!
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:35:58pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:36:36pm |
The Enterprise will be replaced by the Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78).
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:37:08pm |
re: #175 Gus
Either the next Carrier after the JFK should be the Enterprise, or the Reagan is renamed.
Reagan did more harm than good to the nation, so I like the second one.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:37:12pm |
SXSW: The Nerd Club, in doodles and photos (my latest blog piece)wp.me/pfwII-5y
— Karl Gude (@karlgude) March 12, 2012
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:37:19pm |
re: #181 Varek Raith
The Enterprise will be replaced by the Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78).
AKA the USS Overkill.
//
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:39:06pm |
Thing what gets me is that it's pretty much been decided that CVN-65 is gonna be totally scraipped. There's talk about turning the island into a memorial, but the rest of the ship will be turned into razor blades instead of being turned into a museum. But I guess that's a family tradition.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:40:00pm |
re: #185 Targetpractice
Think what gets me is that it's pretty much been decided that CVN-65 is gonna be totally scraipped. There's talk about turning the island into a memorial, but the rest of the ship will be turned into razor blades instead of being turned into a museum. But I guess that's a family tradition.
In order to remove the reactors everything below deck 2 will have to be cut up.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:41:58pm |
re: #184 Gus
Well, I tried to influence that, but to no avail (I was puny on the totem poll of power.)
Yes, it is overkill, created as much to support the military industrial complex as much as anything else.
I still maintain that the obsession with power projection and the requisite machinery (such as aircraft super-carriers) for such is not sound for our future.
Rather, I wanted the Navy to go with smaller, but faster and cheaper, designs. We could have afforded more, and if we designed our Navy around what we will really need during the rest of the century (especially amphibious craft, polar operations, and control of the sea) we could do it better with more but smaller vessels.
But they didn't listen to me.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:42:16pm |
re: #186 Varek Raith
In order to remove the reactors everything below deck 2 will have to be cut up.
Once the Navy dismantles and recycles the ship's reactors, there will be very little left to turn into a museum; virtually everything two decks below the hangar bay would have to be cut apart.[
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:42:57pm |
re: #187 freetoken
Well, I tried to influence that, but to no avail (I was puny on the totem poll of power.)
Yes, it is overkill, created as much to support the military industrial complex as much as anything else.
I still maintain that the obsession with power projection and the requisite machinery (such as aircraft super-carriers) for such is not sound for our future.
Rather, I wanted the Navy to go with smaller, but faster and cheaper, designs. We could have afforded more, and if we designed our Navy around what we will really need during the rest of the century (especially amphibious craft, polar operations, and control of the sea) we could do it better with more but smaller vessels.
But they didn't listen to me.
Screw that.
We need a space carrier!
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:43:31pm |
re: #187 freetoken
Well, I tried to influence that, but to no avail (I was puny on the totem poll of power.)
Yes, it is overkill, created as much to support the military industrial complex as much as anything else.
I still maintain that the obsession with power projection and the requisite machinery (such as aircraft super-carriers) for such is not sound for our future.
Rather, I wanted the Navy to go with smaller, but faster and cheaper, designs. We could have afforded more, and if we designed our Navy around what we will really need during the rest of the century (especially amphibious craft, polar operations, and control of the sea) we could do it better with more but smaller vessels.
But they didn't listen to me.
I gave up when Reagan won. We never do anything unless it's a crisis. We're constantly in denial. Always avoid issues. Posturing. I don't care anymore really.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:43:40pm |
re: #186 Varek Raith
They overkilled with the Enterprise. When she was designed, she was the first Nuclear Powered Carrier. TVTropes explains it well.
USS Enterprise (CVN-65) is also known as the Mobile Chernobyl due mainly to the fact that she is powered by eight nuclear reactors, more than any other ship ever built. The designers figured that she'd need as many reactors as a conventional ship would need boilers. The later nuclear-powered carriers of Nimitz class use much more advanced reactors, getting just as much power out of only two. She is also known as Three-Quarter Mile Island, referring to her length (the longest warship ever built) and the other infamous nuclear reactor incident.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:47:16pm |
re: #181 Varek Raith
The Enterprise will be replaced by the Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78).
Is that the one that tripped going down the slipway?
;)
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:49:00pm |
re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Is that the one that tripped going down the slipway?
;)
[Link: homerjerry.ytmnd.com...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:49:30pm |
re: #189 Varek Raith
Screw that.
We need a space carrier!
They'll find the wreck of the Yorktown and resurrect that for the space-carrier.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:50:15pm |
re: #196 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
They'll find the wreck of the Yorktown and resurrect that for the space-carrier.
Nice ref.
:)
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:50:19pm |
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:53:58pm |
They are trying to identify two sailors from the USS Monitor:[Link: newswatch.nationalgeographic.com...]
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Gus Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:57:28pm |
OK. Newsflash. You want to lose the election? Keep focusing on Rush Limbaugh. Sooner or later you have to let him go.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:58:46pm |
re: #196 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
They'll find the wreck of the Yorktown and resurrect that for the space-carrier.
We can use a Project Orion drive and call it The Micheal.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:58:52pm |
re: #201 Gus
OK. Newsflash. You want to lose the election? Keep focusing on Rush Limbaugh. Sooner or later you have to let him go.
THE GREAT AND POWERFUL RUSH is more important than any puny election!
//
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:59:39pm |
This discussion needs more Wave Motion Gun.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:03:10pm |
re: #202 Kragar
We can use a Project Orion drive and call it The Micheal.
Hmm, if you want a sunken US carrier hull you actually don't have a lot of choices*. Largest is probably the Lexington. Not sure what shape the Saratoga is in, but it might be a good Orion Drive candidate since she is probably still a bit radioactive.
* - Lexington, Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp were the only combat losses along with a few light and escort carriers. Saratoga was sunk in an A-bomb test. I think a few Essex-class hulls and also the CV-66 America have been expended as targets or artificial reefs.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:04:33pm |
They're pushing 1800 comments over on that Fox News article about JPL. Mostly its just the wingnuts and their juvenile antagonizers.
Yet I do think it shows that the religious nerve of the electorate is exposed.
I wonder if the next GOP "debate" will touch on religion?
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:05:03pm |
re: #204 goddamnedfrank
This discussion needs more Wave Motion Gun.
[Embedded content]
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:05:08pm |
re: #205 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Hmm, if you want a sunken US carrier hull you actually don't have a lot of choices*. Largest is probably the Lexington. Not sure what shape the Saratoga is in, but it might be a good Orion Drive candidate since she is probably still a bit radioactive.
* - Lexington, Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp were the only combat losses along with a few light and escort carriers. Saratoga was sunk in an A-bomb test. I think a few Essex-class hulls and also the CV-66 America have been expended as targets or artificial reefs.
Best bet would be the USS Oriskany.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:08:58pm |
re: #208 Targetpractice
Best bet would be the USS Oriskany.
Stripped and sunk upright in shallow water as a reef in the Gulf of Mexico. And recently lubricated to prevent rust buildup...
/
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:13:52pm |
re: #207 Kragar
[Embedded content]
So the Japanese have a fixation on making live action versions of classic animations as well I see.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:15:25pm |
re: #207 Kragar
An overly long movie. It could have benefitted greatly from better editing and shortening some scenes.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:17:28pm |
re: #210 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
So the Japanese have a fixation on making live action versions of classic animations as well I see.
AND FAILING AT IT!!!
:mad:
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:19:15pm |
re: #210 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
So the Japanese have a fixation on making live action versions of classic animations as well I see.
I think a longer list than the one of live-action adaptations they've made would be ones that are still stuck in development hell.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:20:08pm |
re: #211 freetoken
An overly long movie. It could have benefitted greatly from better editing and shortening some scenes.
Which version did they attempt the live-action on?
A friend and I had a running debate about parts of the Star Blazers series. Turns out I'd seen one version of it, and he'd seen another. :p
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:21:22pm |
re: #213 Targetpractice
I think a longer list than the one of live-action adaptations they've made would be ones that are still stuck in development hell.
The US list for that sort of thing is pretty long as well.
And given the general utter failure of most efforts that have actually been made that might not be a bad thing.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:24:03pm |
lickety-split
geez there's a lot of idiomatic expressions in english that need to be explained to furriners
my hongarian girlfriend once asked me a question that i didn't know the answer to so i said, naturally : "well, that's a good question"
she waited a few seconds and then said "ya, ok, so it's a good qvestion, dots nice, so vat is de answer den huh?"
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:26:06pm |
re: #214 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I don't know the origins of the story in the movie, as I've only seen the movie.
All I know is that the movie struck me as a Japanese attempt to make a big-budget looking "SciFi" (really, Space-Fantasy) movie but including essential Japanese elements (e.g., fatalistic self-sacrifice) and a story that doesn't quite make sense.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:30:43pm |
re: #217 freetoken
I don't know the origins of the story in the movie, as I've only seen the movie.
All I know is that the movie struck me as a Japanese attempt to make a big-budget looking "SciFi" (really, Space-Fantasy) movie but including essential Japanese elements (e.g., fatalistic self-sacrifice) and a story that doesn't quite make sense.
Well, it started as a 1974 anime series in Japan.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:32:40pm |
re: #217 freetoken
I don't know the origins of the story in the movie, as I've only seen the movie.
All I know is that the movie struck me as a Japanese attempt to make a big-budget looking "SciFi" (really, Space-Fantasy) movie but including essential Japanese elements (e.g., fatalistic self-sacrifice) and a story that doesn't quite make sense.
Because the stories for most Hollywood Blockbusters are so tight and well written...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:34:20pm |
re: #216 engineer cat
lickety-split
geez there's a lot of idiomatic expressions in english that need to be explained to furriners
my hongarian girlfriend once asked me a question that i didn't know the answer to so i said, naturally : "well, that's a good question"
she waited a few seconds and then said "ya, ok, so it's a good qvestion, dots nice, so vat is de answer den huh?"
I saw that and thought, "Oooo, she speaks Jagermonster!"
(Girl Genius comic reference)
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:36:32pm |
re: #219 Kragar
Because the stories for most Hollywood Blockbusters are so tight and well written...
Heh, I've been working my way through all the Star Wars sequence (only the last one remains). The Prequel series is quite the feat of marketing (and computer graphics) over story. All six movies suffer from Plan 9 level of bad dialogue. The acting is particularly bad in the Prequel entries, though the visual arts (computer graphics, editing) are better.
The movies were saved from ignominy, I propose, by the John Williams music.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:39:01pm |
re: #221 freetoken
Heh, I've been working my way through all the Star Wars sequence (only the last one remains). The Prequel series is quite the feat of marketing (and computer graphics) over story. All six movies suffer from Plan 9 level of bad dialogue. The acting is particularly bad in the Prequel entries, though the visual arts (computer graphics, editing) are better.
The movies were saved from ignominy, I propose, by the John Williams music.
I assume you've seen the greatest Phantom Menace review ever made?
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:42:04pm |
i felt n sad so i built an n tear system
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:42:42pm |
re: #223 freetoken
Oh yeah.
but now we have...
(Part 1 of 9) Star Wars Episode 2: Attack of the Clones Review
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:46:59pm |
The Star Wars prequels, or "How to completely ruin a franchise in three simple movies."
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:48:19pm |
re: #221 freetoken
Heh, I've been working my way through all the Star Wars sequence (only the last one remains). The Prequel series is quite the feat of marketing (and computer graphics) over story. All six movies suffer from Plan 9 level of bad dialogue. The acting is particularly bad in the Prequel entries, though the visual arts (computer graphics, editing) are better.
The movies were saved from ignominy, I propose, by the John Williams music.
Ep IV was very cutting edge for its day in terms of the special effects.
I credit Lucas with having a very good eye for visuals. I think unfortunately that has left him wanting certain visuals and thus you get these multiple minute plot meaningless set pieces that are there to set up visuals or simply allow "hey, look at how we can do this!" effects.
And the dialogue and character development. Bleh. He drew from the 30s serials and apparently didn't find any reason or ability to improve from that in this regard.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:48:36pm |
re: #220 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I saw that and thought, "Oooo, she speaks Jagermonster!"
(Girl Genius comic reference)
hongorians are much more sarcastical
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:50:34pm |
re: #227 Targetpractice
The Star Wars prequels, or "How to completely ruin a franchise in three simple movies."
Heck, he also took the first series out behind the shed and shot it with all the "special editions" with extra effects and what-not edited in.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:51:46pm |
re: #230 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Heck, he also took the first series out behind the shed and shot it with all the "special editions" with extra effects and what-not edited in.
Just so long as Grand Admiral Thrawn never appears on screen.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:58:36pm |
re: #231 Kragar
Just so long as Grand Admiral Thrawn never appears on screen.
Don't give George any ideas. He's been muttering on and off for years now that he's considering making Episodes VII-IX.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 11, 2012 11:36:58pm |
Meanwhile, in weather news, a large and easily discerned low pressure system moves across the upper midwest:
[Link: radar.weather.gov...]
And high temperature records are falling across the upper Mississippi valley. E.g. in Rochester MN:
[Link: www.nws.noaa.gov...]
000
SXUS73 KARX 112140
RERRSTRECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
0435 PM CDT SUN MAR 11 2012...RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE SET AT ROCHESTER MN...
A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 63 DEGREES WAS SET AT ROCHESTER MN
TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 60 SET IN 1990.
Past few days have seen highs broken throughout the region, and the near future looks to be quite warm too.
Here in San Diego some plants are continuing their seasonal confusion. Picked some loquats today - March is the traditional start of loquat season - but they were past their prime, a bit too ripe and falling off the tree. Way too early to be doing that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 11, 2012 11:52:51pm |
re: #110 palomino
OT: Any ideas who the "worms" are in the esteemed Mr. Boortz's analogy?
Gee, Neal really seems to love democracy.
Boortz is full on radio KKK
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 12:59:02am |
Con artists seeking new fools to rob
The Crystal Cathedral is getting a new name and the congregation of the financially struggling Orange County megachurch will relocate, its senior pastor announced Sunday.
The ministry will be renamed Hope Center of Christ, Sheila Schuller Coleman said in a short video posted on the Crystal Cathedral website.
An announcement regarding the new location will be made in the next few weeks, she said.
The church sold its iconic glass-paned cathedral to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange last month to emerge from federal bankruptcy protection.
...
The church raked in millions in donations through its “Hour of Power’’ broadcasts, but a series of financial setbacks led to the megachurch’s filing for bankruptcy in October 2010 and the forced sale of its 40-acre campus.Turmoil in the ministry included the firings of Schuller’s daughter Gretchen Penner and two sons-in-law last week.
Because proper worship of The Lord requires limos and making sure the family of the pastor has high paying jobs.
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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 1:22:56am |
re: #201 Gus
OK. Newsflash. You want to lose the election? Keep focusing on Rush Limbaugh. Sooner or later you have to let him go.
Rush may have lost lots of advertisers, but he will certainly find enough other ones to continue. But the damage done to his EIB Network brand is nothing compared to the damage done to the other brand he is associated with, namely the GOP brand.
Their relationship was too close and symbiotic for them to simply drop him.
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William of Orange Mon, Mar 12, 2012 1:27:02am |
Sad news.
Now that the anti-conception pill is in the news lately, the Limbaugh vs. Fluke controversy... Coincidentally the inventor of the pill died this week in the Netherlands. Scientist Max de Winter died at the age of 91, the producer MSD announced this week.
After surviving the Auschwitz extermination camp in WWII, de Winter went to work at the company Organon in Oss, the Netherlands. There he along with other scientists he developed the anti conception pill Lyndiol.
In 1962 the pill was introduced into the market. It wasn't the very first pill but it was a worldwide success. Organon was a leading company in the field of anti conception pills.
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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 1:29:26am |
re: #238 William of Orange
Sad news.
Now that the anti-conception pill is in the news lately, the Limbaugh vs. Fluke controversy... Coincidentally the inventor of the pill died this week in the Netherlands. Scientist Max de Winter died at the age of 91, the producer MSD announced this week.
After surviving the Auschwitz extermination camp in WWII, de Winter went to work at the company Organon in Oss, the Netherlands. There he along with other scientists he developed the anti conception pill Lyndiol.
In 1962 the pill was introduced into the market. It wasn't the very first pill but it was a worldwide success. Organon was a leading company in the field of anti conception pills.
What an odd irony: God spares a Jew from the concentration camps so he can come up with something a lot of Christians see as an abomination unto the Lord...
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 1:52:43am |
re: #239 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
What an odd irony: God spares a Jew from the concentration camps so he can come up with something a lot of Christians see as an abomination unto the Lord...
More odd irony: Another 'father' of the pill was Catholic, and did field trials in a predominantly Catholic society.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 2:04:45am |
re: #181 Varek Raith
The Enterprise will be replaced by the Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78).
First they should build the USS Nixon, and replace it with a USS Gerald R. Ford.
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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 2:16:03am |
I read that the USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) was sent to Japan last year to help with lending tsunami aid.
I wish I could have been there when the captain presented his credentials and announced "We're from the US government and we're here to help you!"
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William of Orange Mon, Mar 12, 2012 3:28:36am |
re: #241 Decatur Deb
First they should build the USS Nixon, and replace it with a USS Gerald R. Ford.
Would be the first ship ever to be named after a non-full term president think. But I think based on his WWII service it should be justified as well to name a ship after him.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 3:32:26am |
re: #244 William of Orange
Would be the first ship ever to be named after a non-full term president think.
Well, we haven't had that many of those.
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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 3:35:51am |
re: #241 Decatur Deb
First they should build the USS Nixon, and replace it with a USS Gerald R. Ford.
They could build one, start to name it the USS Al Gore, and then have the Supreme Court rule that it must be rechristened the George W. Bush...
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William of Orange Mon, Mar 12, 2012 3:40:45am |
re: #244 William of Orange
Would be the first ship ever to be named after a non-full term president think. But I think based on his WWII service it should be justified as well to name a ship after him.
I expect the USS Sarah Palin to be nothing but a tugboat... only towing you half the way before abandoning ship. :)
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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 3:46:04am |
re: #247 William of Orange
I expect the USS Sarah Palin to be nothing but a tugboat... only towing you half the way before abandoning ship. :)
No, the USS Sarah Palin could be nothing other than a gunboat.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 3:49:43am |
re: #248 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
No, the USS Sarah Palin could be nothing other than a gunboat.
Tanker.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Mar 12, 2012 4:09:01am |
man, if LGF is firing ads that play sound, that is a good way to make it so I never visit LGF :/
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 4:25:55am |
re: #250 windupbird is in the gravity well
Try contacting Charles. Somethingawful gets those too, even though they've got a policy against it.
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sagehen Mon, Mar 12, 2012 4:51:53am |
It's a sad morning that I'm excited to brag to people I couldn't pick out of a lineup that I had a very good Angry Birds yesterday.... but YIPPEE!! On the new Cherry Blossoms segment of Seasons, my ranking is in triple digits. (I had to tell you quick, because enough people are catching up and passing me that won't last very long... it's already dropped by more than 200 just while I slept).
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Mar 12, 2012 4:53:50am |
re: #250 windupbird is in the gravity well
man, if LGF is firing ads that play sound, that is a good way to make it so I never visit LGF :/
I couldn't figure out which one it was. If you happen to know, please share so I can blacklist that domain.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:08:43am |
Morning Lizardim. Spring has finally sprung here in the wild north country, with temps even warm enough to open the windows in the house for a while yesterday. Too bad the sleep lost from Daylight Savings Time observation is currently negating any improvement in mood I might have gotten from the increased sun exposure.
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sagehen Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:09:28am |
re: #235 Kragar
Con artists seeking new fools to rob
Because proper worship of The Lord requires limos and making sure the family of the pastor has high paying jobs.
It is a really beautiful building... but I'm disturbed that the Catholic Church had cash on hand to buy it while they're whining about being unable to afford court-ordered compensation to the children their priests raped.
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sagehen Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:12:04am |
re: #253 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
I just won at spider solitaire...
(what is spider solitaire? should I be embarassed that I've never heard of it?)
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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:16:56am |
re: #257 sagehen
(what is spider solitaire? should I be embarassed that I've never heard of it?)
the only computer games I ever play, it is a variant of the solitaire that is installed on most computers.
I do not go for panic-reaction games.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:22:49am |
re: #258 Ministry of Fairness and Balance
Heh. While I wait for things to compile, I'm playing The Unreal World, which could be best described as a slow-panic game. It basically puts you into Finland during the Iron Age, and there's no 'wining', there's just survival.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:33:04am |
re: #245 Obdicut
Well, we haven't had that many of those.
That lived.
There have been non-full-term Presidents. But that was usually due to them dying of illness or bullets.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:40:03am |
Good morning Lizards.
One benefit of the DST change has been noticed. The Feline Overlord is now waking me up at 7am to complain about a lack of food rather than at 6am.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:41:52am |
re: #261 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Good morning Lizards.
One benefit of the DST change has been noticed. The Feline Overlord is now waking me up at 7am to complain about a lack of food rather than at 6am.
I'm sure my wife will appreciate that the fishspawn will follow a similar pattern of behavior. However, unfortunately for me, work does not obey such guidelines.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:43:13am |
re: #259 Obdicut
Heh. While I wait for things to compile, I'm playing The Unreal World, which could be best described as a slow-panic game. It basically puts you into Finland during the Iron Age, and there's no 'wining', there's just survival.
Sounds interesting.
No one wins Dwarf Fortress either. You might get some stability, be obliterating goblin sieges with ease, but entropy or something else will eventually get your fortress, usually from within.*
* - And with the new release version including a lot of undead stuff including vampires mixed into your migrants it might come sooner. Or a neighboring necromancer will come by and animate all the mussel shells in your refuse pile. Beware the clacking that comes in the night!
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:43:37am |
re: #260 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Of the four presidents who were assassinated, I believe only one died in his first term, Garfield. Aside from him, there were three who died of illness, Harding, Taylor, and Harrison. So, not that many.
And, quick research reveals the SS Zachary Taylor, so there has been a ship named after a non-full-term president before, albeit only a Liberty Ship.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:44:07am |
re: #263 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I still play 40d. I'll catch up to the changes eventually but I didn't want to have to learn the raft of new bugs.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:47:08am |
re: #265 Obdicut
I still play 40d. I'll catch up to the changes eventually but I didn't want to have to learn the raft of new bugs.
I've been on-and-off playing a .25 game. Waiting for the new version to un-bug as well. Plus I'm not that enamored with DF turning into a episode of the Walking Dead.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:52:40am |
re: #264 Obdicut
Of the four presidents who were assassinated, I believe only one died in his first term, Garfield. Aside from him, there were three who died of illness, Harding, Taylor, and Harrison. So, not that many.
And, quick research reveals the SS Zachary Taylor, so there has been a ship named after a non-full-term president before, albeit only a Liberty Ship.
Well, part of it as well would be that the USN doesn't name a lot of ship classes after former Presidents. There was the APA class in WW2 (President Jackson), and after that I think it has been SLBM subs and then the later Nimitz-class carriers.
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sagehen Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:54:16am |
re: #264 Obdicut
Of the four presidents who were assassinated, I believe only one died in his first term, Garfield. Aside from him, there were three who died of illness, Harding, Taylor, and Harrison. So, not that many.
And, quick research reveals the SS Zachary Taylor, so there has been a ship named after a non-full-term president before, albeit only a Liberty Ship.
FDR also died of illness (or were you only looking for first term?). JFK's assassination was also first-term.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:56:43am |
re: #268 sagehen
Oh right, I always forget that was JFK's first term. But yeah, we were talking about ships named after not-even-one-term presidents.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 5:58:29am |
re: #269 Obdicut
Oh right, I always forget that was JFK's first term. But yeah, we were talking about ships named after not-even-one-term presidents.
Well, JFK got a carrier (CV-67) named after him of course. And it looks like CVN-79 might be named after him as well.
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AK-47% Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:00:58am |
lesse, there was Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln and did not serve an entire term. Don't think he has had a ship named after him.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:02:39am |
re: #270 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
JFK was in the Navy, too, so I'd assumed he'd get a ship.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:05:26am |
re: #272 Obdicut
JFK was in the Navy, too, so I'd assumed he'd get a ship.
Quip on the Wiki page for the JFK says that the CVN would be the third ship in the USN named after a member of the Kennedy family. CV-67 was one, what was the other one? (Of course the page doesn't say.)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:13:43am |
re: #273 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Quip on the Wiki page for the JFK says that the CVN would be the third ship in the USN named after a member of the Kennedy family. CV-67 was one, what was the other one? (Of course the page doesn't say.)
Ah. Gearing Class DD named after Joseph Kennedy Jr. (JFKs elder brother who was killed in 1944. Was in the USAAF.)
Currently a museum ship at Fall River Cove, MA.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:30:17am |
Hopefully CVN 80 will get to carry on the name of Enterprise since CVN 65 will be going to the scrapper after the deployment it just left on. Nothing against dead Presidents but that one means a bit more I think.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:32:19am |
re: #275 William Barnett-Lewis
Hopefully CVN 80 will get to carry on the name of Enterprise since CVN 65 will be going to the scrapper after the deployment it just left on. Nothing against dead Presidents but that one means a bit more I think.
The Mrs. Fish was devastated to learn that the Big E would be consigned to the scrap heap. I was a little confused, until she started rambling on about Star Trek. And here she claims she's not a geek.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:34:31am |
re: #275 William Barnett-Lewis
Hopefully CVN 80 will get to carry on the name of Enterprise since CVN 65 will be going to the scrapper after the deployment it just left on. Nothing against dead Presidents but that one means a bit more I think.
I wish the USN would go back to naming their ships traditionally rather than after politicians (alive or dead). Wasp, Hornet, and Essex are due a new turn at some point as well as Enterprise.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:38:12am |
re: #276 thedopefishlives
The Mrs. Fish was devastated to learn that the Big E would be consigned to the scrap heap. I was a little confused, until she started rambling on about Star Trek. And here she claims she's not a geek.
Well, they have to gut it to get at the reactors. Unless someone has a crazy idea to convert her into a floating power station somewhere and hook her into the electrical grid.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:40:31am |
re: #277 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
A number of those former Essex class carriers (WWII fleet carriers) names are now being utilized in amphibious assault ships - the Wasp class:
USS Wasp (LHD-1), Norfolk, Virginia
USS Essex (LHD-2), Sasebo, Japan
USS Kearsarge (LHD-3), Norfolk, Virginia
USS Boxer (LHD-4), San Diego, California
USS Bataan (LHD-5), Norfolk, Virginia
USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD-6), San Diego, California
USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7), Norfolk, Virginia
USS Makin Island (LHD-8), San Diego, California
Also, there's a move afoot in Congress to eliminate naming ships and other structures (buildings, parks, etc.) after living members of Congress and the US government. You know, because it's kinda scandalous to have a politician perpwalked into the courthouse named after.. .them.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:42:50am |
re: #278 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
The Big E is unique among American carriers. It has 8 nuclear reactors, compared with two on all the other Nimitz and improved Nimitz class carriers. The Enterprise was the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier and trying to keep the ship going was just cost prohibitive - the other Nimitz carriers share commonalities that make training and operations much easier.
The thing that strikes me about the scrapping of the Enterprise is that they're defueling the ship at Newport News VA, but will have to tow it all the way around to Washington State for scrapping. Guess there aren't any locations on the East Coast to do that anymore.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:44:29am |
re: #278 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Well, they have to gut it to get at the reactors. Unless someone has a crazy idea to convert her into a floating power station somewhere and hook her into the electrical grid.
Not confused about why it had to be scrapped, confused about why she would care. Sorry.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:52:17am |
re: #279 lawhawk
A number of those former Essex class carriers (WWII fleet carriers) names are now being utilized in amphibious assault ships - the Wasp class:
USS Wasp (LHD-1), Norfolk, Virginia
USS Essex (LHD-2), Sasebo, Japan
USS Kearsarge (LHD-3), Norfolk, Virginia
USS Boxer (LHD-4), San Diego, California
USS Bataan (LHD-5), Norfolk, Virginia
USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD-6), San Diego, California
USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7), Norfolk, Virginia
USS Makin Island (LHD-8), San Diego, CaliforniaAlso, there's a move afoot in Congress to eliminate naming ships and other structures (buildings, parks, etc.) after living members of Congress and the US government. You know, because it's kinda scandalous to have a politician perpwalked into the courthouse named after.. .them.
Forgot about those. And the Hornet Essex-class hull is a current museum ship.
I think a lot of the naming of ships after even dead politicians should be skipped. Though it's obviously too big of a plum to be passed on. And some of the founders and others deserve the recognition.
I was always more of a fan of the older scheme with cap ships after states and cruisers after cities. The submarines took that up as the BBs and large CAs were winnowed out. Though there is a solid history of DDs and escorts being named after naval heroes and personnel.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:58:27am |
re: #283 Gus
Mornin'. Hope I behaved myself last night.
You drooled over some Tigercats. Other than that I didn't notice anything out of hand.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:59:38am |
re: #284 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
You drooled over some Tigercats. Other than that I didn't notice anything out of hand.
Whew. Thanks. ;) That's right. We were talking about the USS Enterprise too.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:01:50am |
I'm getting continuous sound, talking, this morning from LGF and I don't know where it's coming from.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:03:32am |
re: #286 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang
Someone else complained of it. I'm not getting it.
Probably just one of the ads. Lemme reload to see if I can get it.
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makeitstop Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:07:14am |
I reloaded and got the Derrick Bell sound clip. Didn't know where it was coming from, either.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:08:13am |
re: #289 makeitstop
Ah, so not an ad, just a video autoplaying.
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makeitstop Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:09:08am |
re: #291 Obdicut
Ah, so not an ad, just a video autoplaying.
Yeah, kinda freaked me out at first as it's otherwise quiet in the house today.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:10:00am |
Interesting response in Afghanistan. Especially compared to the response for "something else" last month.
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:11:49am |
re: #293 Gus
Interesting response in Afghanistan. Especially compared to the response for "something else" last month.
If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, it's hardly the first time in history symbols have been considered more important than human lives :/
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:12:57am |
re: #294 Interesting Times
If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, it's hardly the first time in history symbols have been considered more important than human lives :/
Exactly. Of course we should let the relative silence fool us. There will likely be some kind of reprisal.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:13:38am |
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:13:57am |
Stuff we don't want to? The race is tightening up.
The Washington Post/ABC News poll released Monday showed Obama statistically tied with Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum among registered voters. Obama received 47% support to Romney's 49% and 49% to Santorum's 46%.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:19:02am |
re: #298 Gus
Lenin's ghost!
And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling Reaganites!
;)
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:21:23am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:22:23am |
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:23:45am |
re: #305 Lenin's Mummy
Sexist-capitalist Trotskyite pig.
Nothing says hipster like calling yourself a Trotskyite. ;)
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:24:15am |
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BongCrodny Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:24:38am |
Morning, all.
I have a question to ask of any of the more tech-savvy Lizards on the site.
I recently applied for a job at the USPS; took the test and passed it. Now, of course, comes the waiting.
This morning, I received an e-mail from a company called geninfo.com with a subject that read "Action needed in connection with your application for USPS employment!"
Of course, I'm wondering how legitimate it is. Obviously, the PO is a government job so they would need at least some personal information, but the personal information they're requesting is setting off the old spider sense: Social Security Number, date of birth and all addresses lived at over the past five years.
Has anyone ever heard of these guys or had experience doing same? I don't know how they would have found out about my post office application if they're not legit, but with the scare stories we've all read about identity theft, I've got some serious heebie-jeebies about giving out my SSN online.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:24:47am |
re: #304 Gus
Good morning fellow traveler!
The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:26:26am |
re: #308 BongCrodny
Why not just contact the post office and ask them?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:26:46am |
re: #308 BongCrodny
It looks reasonably legit, but I would call and ask. It never hurts to be slightly paranoid.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:27:39am |
re: #307 Obdicut
More like sexy-capitalist.
Bow-chicka.
Whocka-chicka. Whocka-chicka. Whocka-chicka. Bwow!
[Pling!]
Woops. Broke a string.
//
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:27:46am |
re: #297 Gus
Stuff we don't want to? The race is tightening up.
The frothy mix, with a support percentage of forty-six? o_O
Way to prove freetoken's "doomer" predictions are far too optimistic.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:28:20am |
re: #308 BongCrodny
Morning, all.
I have a question to ask of any of the more tech-savvy Lizards on the site.
I recently applied for a job at the USPS; took the test and passed it. Now, of course, comes the waiting.
This morning, I received an e-mail from a company called geninfo.com with a subject that read "Action needed in connection with your application for USPS employment!"
Of course, I'm wondering how legitimate it is. Obviously, the PO is a government job so they would need at least some personal information, but the personal information they're requesting is setting off the old spider sense: Social Security Number, date of birth and all addresses lived at over the past five years.
Has anyone ever heard of these guys or had experience doing same? I don't know how they would have found out about my post office application if they're not legit, but with the scare stories we've all read about identity theft, I've got some serious heebie-jeebies about giving out my SSN online.
Given the request for addresses over the past five years that sounds like a request for information to make a background check.
[Link: www.geninfo.com...]
And it looks like a legitimate corporate web-site for a company that does that.
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BongCrodny Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:28:31am |
re: #297 Gus
Stuff we don't want to? The race is tightening up.
Damn. This is one stupid country.
Given the economy, I can kinda sorta understand how Milquetoast Romney might be running neck and neck with the President.
Santorum, however -- that's some scary shit there. Rick Santorum with a Republican House and Republican Senate is a place I'd rather not go.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:28:53am |
re: #313 Interesting Times
The frothy mix, with a support percentage of forty-six? o_O
Way to prove freetoken's "doomer" predictions are far too optimistic.
I know. Gotta keep your eyes on the prize. I have some suggestion for the folks on Twitter. One of which involves forgetting about Rush for now.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:31:34am |
re: #308 BongCrodny
Morning, all.
I have a question to ask of any of the more tech-savvy Lizards on the site.
I recently applied for a job at the USPS; took the test and passed it. Now, of course, comes the waiting.
This morning, I received an e-mail from a company called geninfo.com with a subject that read "Action needed in connection with your application for USPS employment!"
Of course, I'm wondering how legitimate it is. Obviously, the PO is a government job so they would need at least some personal information, but the personal information they're requesting is setting off the old spider sense: Social Security Number, date of birth and all addresses lived at over the past five years.
Has anyone ever heard of these guys or had experience doing same? I don't know how they would have found out about my post office application if they're not legit, but with the scare stories we've all read about identity theft, I've got some serious heebie-jeebies about giving out my SSN online.
Contact the USPS, and ask if they use Geninfo. In general, I don't think any request for SSAN over the internet is legit.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:32:34am |
re: #316 BongCrodny
Damn. This is one stupid country.
Given the economy, I can kinda sorta understand how Milquetoast Romney might be running neck and neck with the President.
Santorum, however -- that's some scary shit there. Rick Santorum with a Republican House and Republican Senate is a place I'd rather not go.
Have to get out the vote.
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:32:50am |
re: #317 Gus
I know. Gotta keep your eyes on the prize. I have some suggestion for the folks on Twitter. One of which involves forgetting about Rush for now.
I don't think it's a question of forgetting about him so much as hanging his words around the necks of the entire GOP brand. Like this graphic sort of does:
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BongCrodny Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:34:18am |
re: #310 Obdicut
Why not just contact the post office and ask them?
I've already contacted GenInfo and the person I spoke with there wasn't exactly chatty.
Given that I'm applying for a job up here in Maine, I just wanted to make sure that a subcontractor with a South Carolina address made sense.
I was planning on calling the post office, but I confess to thinking finding anybody that knows anything might be like finding my way through the Labyrinth.
I've read posts from a number of people on this site that are in the same "unemployment boat" that I'm in; I thought maybe there might be someone here with some previous experience with the website.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:35:26am |
re: #318 Decatur Deb
A former landlord of mine got freaked out a bit. He was an Russian emigre and one day a couple of DoD guys turned up to talk to him. Was just a background check being done on me due to a job application and interview I had with a government agency after graduating.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:36:18am |
re: #321 BongCrodny
I've seen them both reported as legitimate and a scam. I really advise calling the post office to ask.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:37:32am |
I don't know about torture but I do know that our prison system is brutal.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:37:54am |
re: #323 Gus
Well, seems like critics of Manning's detention measures were right after all.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:38:29am |
re: #326 Lenin's Mummy
Mind you, that doesn't excuse those who support what he did.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:39:10am |
re: #327 Lenin's Mummy
Mind you, that doesn't excuse those who support what he did.
I was going to say, he's still a scumbag. He's just a very improperly treated scumbag.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:40:15am |
re: #326 Lenin's Mummy
Well, seems like critics of Manning's detention measures were right after all.
Prison critics have been talking about this for a while now. Several decades in fact. Don't want to bring race into this but I could -- i.e. comparing reactions. The "torture chief" said this but he didn't say it was "torture." I almost made that mistake. He said it was "cruel and inhuman." However, people will see this and say that Manning was "tortured."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:40:41am |
re: #328 thedopefishlives
I don't have much sympathy for him as a person, but he should be treated properly indeed. Both for moral reasons, and because improper treatment tends to throw monkey wrench in the prosecution process.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:41:28am |
re: #321 BongCrodny
I've already contacted GenInfo and the person I spoke with there wasn't exactly chatty.
Given that I'm applying for a job up here in Maine, I just wanted to make sure that a subcontractor with a South Carolina address made sense.
I was planning on calling the post office, but I confess to thinking finding anybody that knows anything might be like finding my way through the Labyrinth.
I've read posts from a number of people on this site that are in the same "unemployment boat" that I'm in; I thought maybe there might be someone here with some previous experience with the website.
Didn't you put your SSAN on the post office application? If they wanted a contractor to have it, they would have given it to him.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:42:04am |
re: #329 Gus
Let's wait for the official reaction.
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Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:42:22am |
re: #329 Gus
Prison critics have been talking about this for a while now. Several decades in fact. Don't want to bring race into this but I could -- i.e. comparing reactions. The "torture chief" said this but he didn't say it was "torture." I almost made that mistake. He said it was "cruel and unusual." However, people will see this and say that Manning was "tortured."
Well, what he seems to be saying is "He has treated badly and in a cruel and inhumane manner, but due to the U.S. government stonewalling us, I cannot say one way or another if it was actually torture."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:43:49am |
re: #329 Gus
Yes, moreover now those who support Manning no matter what he did will also claim the high moral ground.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:45:40am |
re: #333 Simply Sarah
Well, what he seems to be saying is "He has treated badly and in a cruel and inhumane manner, but due to the U.S. government stonewalling us, I cannot say one way or another if it was actually torture."
Perhaps the UN could forward this to the UNESCO human rights commission and have the Syrian membership look into it.
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BongCrodny Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:45:53am |
re: #331 Decatur Deb
Didn't you put your SSAN on the post office application? If they wanted a contractor to have it, they would have given it to him.
Exactly what I thought.
I'm on hold with the USPS Postal Inspectors service right now, to see whether they know anything about it.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:46:55am |
re: #336 BongCrodny
Exactly what I thought.
I'm on hold with the USPS Postal Inspectors service right now, to see whether they know anything about it.
Obama has some extra SSIS numbers. Perhaps you can borrow one.
//
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Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:47:04am |
re: #334 Lenin's Mummy
Yes, moreover now those who support Manning no matter what he did will also claim the high moral ground.
Well, that's part of the reason you should be careful about how you treat prisoners. Beyond pure moral reasons, it tends to make them sympathetic regardless of their guilt or crimes.
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BongCrodny Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:47:41am |
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:48:47am |
re: #334 Lenin's Mummy
Yes, moreover now those who support Manning no matter what he did will also claim the high moral ground.
They're a bunch of dummies for treating him like this. They should know better that it only detracts from their case. Unfortunately, the military has a frequent tendency to be a little, how should I put it, wingnutty.
The reality is that people are thrown into solitaire all the time in the prison system. People that are in prison for less serious crimes. Thrown in because they're not set-up for the mental health care required for many of the inmates. Many of them are thrown into solitaire and heavily medicated or sedated for months at a time.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:50:36am |
*facepalm* CNN leads with an op-ed from Jane Fonda, Gloria Steinem and others calling to silence Rush Limbaugh over his misoygnistic comments (among others). A counter opinion says that he has a First Amendment right to be heard.
So much stupid packed into so little space. Both op-eds appear to be about talking and showing just how stupid they are.
Again - this isn't about the 1st Amendment. Government isn't involved in this. Rush isn't being silenced by the government. They (via the FCC - a governmental entity) haven't called for his suspension, removal, etc. It's private citizens who are demanding he be silenced. Not a 1st Amendment issue.
Free speech isn't necessarily a 1st Amendment issue - only when the government is restricting it and that's not the case here.
Rush has lost nearly 100 sponsors if the reports are accurate. That's because companies don't want to associate with his brand. That's diminished his brand and will affect him down the line in the pocketbook. He's still free to spout off and remove all doubt what kind of a xenophobic and racist and misogynistic fool he is - and everyone else can pile on and ridicule him as just that.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:51:31am |
Give 'em a bed, reading materials, a TV maybe and a pack of smokes. Then close the door. Enough already with this "tough prison" BS.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:52:20am |
re: #342 Gus
Give 'em a bed, reading materials, a TV maybe and a pack of smokes. Then close the door. Enough already with this "tough prison" BS.
Or actually try to rehabilitate people again, instead of creating a permanent criminal underclass.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:52:58am |
This morning's derp from WND:
"Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-N.C., has introduced a resolution declaring that should the president use offensive military force without authorization of an act of Congress, “it is the sense of Congress” that such an act would be “an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.”
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:53:59am |
re: #343 Obdicut
Or actually try to rehabilitate people again, instead of creating a permanent criminal underclass.
Yeah. The prison system itself has become this entrenched monolith with a huge amount of self-interest. But it's not just the prison system -- it includes the judiciary.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:54:36am |
re: #344 jaunte
This morning's derp from WND:
So much fail packed into so little space. Amazing derp density.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 7:56:55am |
re: #345 Obdicut
It's nice that a black president helped Jones (NC) and Jeff Sessions (AL) rediscover Article I, Section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:00:21am |
re: #341 lawhawk
*facepalm* CNN leads with an op-ed from Jane Fonda, Gloria Steinem and others calling to silence Rush Limbaugh over his misoygnistic comments (among others). A counter opinion says that he has a First Amendment right to be heard.
So much stupid packed into so little space. Both op-eds appear to be about talking and showing just how stupid they are.
Again - this isn't about the 1st Amendment. Government isn't involved in this. Rush isn't being silenced by the government. They (via the FCC - a governmental entity) haven't called for his suspension, removal, etc. It's private citizens who are demanding he be silenced. Not a 1st Amendment issue.
Free speech isn't necessarily a 1st Amendment issue - only when the government is restricting it and that's not the case here.
Rush has lost nearly 100 sponsors if the reports are accurate. That's because companies don't want to associate with his brand. That's diminished his brand and will affect him down the line in the pocketbook. He's still free to spout off and remove all doubt what kind of a xenophobic and racist and misogynistic fool he is - and everyone else can pile on and ridicule him as just that.
The media is playing it as a win-win. They went straight to a bunch of "liberal" talking heads that they knew would sound off and would also be red meat to the right-wing base. Rush has won since the debate is now about him and how the liberals are trying to silence him.
And the media gets another outrageous outrage to play for attention for at least the next week.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:00:37am |
Wait. Looks like they retracted that "wrong word." More than we can say about the wingers.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:01:13am |
re: #336 BongCrodny
Exactly what I thought.
I'm on hold with the USPS Postal Inspectors service right now, to see whether they know anything about it.
Been looking at them (General Information Services). They claim to be a large HR clearinghouse, have a decent-looking website, but I've not found anything good from an independent source.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:02:01am |
re: #351 Gus
Just you watch, soon supporters of J-Street will suddenly find out that they're antisemitic.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:02:56am |
re: #353 Lenin's Mummy
Just you watch, soon supporters of J-Street will suddenly find out that they're antisemitic.
I'm sure they already are accused as such.
Wait! "Caption challenged!"
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:04:33am |
re: #350 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I don't really think Rush has 'won'. I think he's permanently shifted his status towards a Beck/Savage style guy. His old schtick was about being non-blatant. He fucked up.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:04:39am |
Aigle has logged out finally. That guy never shuts up.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:04:44am |
Oops. Forgot something.
I am not using term "Israel Firster" anymore! I explain why here. politicalcorrection.org/fpmatters/2012...— MJ Rosenberg (@MJayRosenberg) March 12, 2012
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:04:51am |
re: #344 jaunte
This morning's derp from WND:
What's the common definition of "offensive military force"?
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:05:57am |
re: #360 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
"Aggressive projection of armed force?"
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:06:08am |
re: #360 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
What's the common definition of "offensive military force"?
Clashing tops and bottoms. Wearing a brown belt with black shoes. Etc.
//
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:07:01am |
re: #360 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
What's the common definition of "offensive military force"?
Blowing the crap out of stuff.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:07:34am |
re: #357 Obdicut
I don't really think Rush has 'won'. I think he's permanently shifted his status towards a Beck/Savage style guy. His old schtick was about being non-blatant. He fucked up.
Well, then he is about 6-8 months ahead of the storm that will break if Obama is re-elected. As compared to most of the GOP it appears that Limbaugh is capable of leading. Where he is leading, of course, is what is beneficial (usually) for Rush, not beneficial for the Republican Party or the United States.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:08:12am |
re: #359 Gus
MJR is a big poopiehead and his subjective rants bring no credibility to MediaMatters' sister org. Personally, I'd like him to leave. But frankly, he is just a liberal Zionist in the mold of Israeli lefties. Accusations by Dershowtiz et al. go overboard. I'm glad he has at last stopped using this term, since his use was mighty imprecise and designed to inflame.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:09:27am |
re: #358 jaunte
Aigle has logged out finally. That guy never shuts up.
Fuck Aigle. It pushed my "Zionist Mall" page off the front sidebar with its spam.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:09:57am |
re: #363 Varek Raith
Blowing the crap out of stuff.
So, if this goes through a US mission to covertly (or otherwise) attack Iran's development of a nuclear weapon (the sky is falling!) would then require a Congressional authorization to do so. Which is obviously not very covert.
Yea. Perfect case of wingnut logic.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:11:24am |
Dane County Circuit Judge Richard Niess will act on an injunction request from the League of Women Voters – which contends that the law disenfranchises the poor, elderly, and other groups.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:11:31am |
re: #362 Gus
Clashing tops and bottoms. Wearing a brown belt with black shoes. Etc.
//
How about brown shirts with jackboots, does that work?
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:11:31am |
Spamming pages and not sticking around to discuss them is annoying.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:12:34am |
Slaughter of civillians, urination on corpses indicative of presence of Geller/Spencer/Boykin crusader culture in military— Gen JC Christian (@JC_Christian) March 12, 2012
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:13:07am |
re: #373 Gus
Slaughter of civillians, urination on corpses indicative of presence of Geller/Spencer/Boykin crusader culture in military— Gen JC Christian (@JC_Christian) March 12, 2012
Oh snap, somebody just WENT THERE.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:13:13am |
re: #367 Learned Mother of Zion
Fuck Aigle. It pushed my "Zionist Mall" page off the front sidebar with its spam.
Go ahead and do a repost and yours will appear at the top again. I think that would be ok under the circumstances.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:15:20am |
re: #374 thedopefishlives
Our military has a plethora of problems. Infection by forms of Radical Christianity is one of them.
Until it can be rooted out, it is a poor proposition for us to be occupying nations, as the actions many troops will anger local populations.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:16:07am |
re: #378 ProGunLiberal
Ah, I don't think that there's any connection between radical Christianity and any of the latest offenses, is there?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:16:09am |
FCC should clear Limbaugh from airwaves
By Jane Fonda, Robin Morgan and Gloria Steinem,
Limbaugh doesn't just call people names. He promotes language that deliberately dehumanizes his targets. Like the sophisticated propagandist Josef Goebbels, he creates rhetorical frames -- and the bigger the lie, the more effective -- inciting listeners to view people they disagree with as sub-humans. His longtime favorite term for women, "femi-Nazi," doesn't even raise eyebrows anymore, an example of how rhetoric spreads when unchallenged by coarsened cultural norms.
...
This isn't political. While we disagree with Limbaugh's politics, what's at stake is the fallout of a society tolerating toxic, hate-inciting speech. For 20 years, Limbaugh has hidden behind the First Amendment, or else claimed he's really "doing humor" or "entertainment." He is indeed constitutionally entitled to his opinions, but he is not constitutionally entitled to the people's airways.
It's time for the public to take back our broadcast resources. Limbaugh has had decades to fix his show. Now it's up to us
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:16:17am |
That bastard better not get a slap on the wrists. He should face the death penalty in any military trial.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:17:12am |
re: #380 Killgore Trout
That's dumb of them to bring the FCC into it.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:17:46am |
re: #379 Obdicut
Not in this particular case, but there are other incidents I remember hearing about.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:18:14am |
re: #384 ProGunLiberal
Not in this particular case, but there are other incidents I remember hearing about.
Like what?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:19:04am |
re: #382 jaunte
That's dumb of them to bring the FCC into it.
The Koskidz have been doing this for a while. Appearantly there's some rule about when you call a radio station to complain you can request your complaint be entered into the stations FCC file.
I serious doubt the FCC is going to step in, I don't think he violated any FCC rules.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:19:44am |
re: #378 ProGunLiberal
Our military has a plethora of problems. Infection by forms of Radical Christianity is one of them.
Until it can be rooted out, it is a poor proposition for us to be occupying nations, as the actions many troops will anger local populations.
I don't doubt that's true. I'm just amazed that someone had the balls to come out and say it. You know the wingnuts will be whining and seething about this once they get ahold of it.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:19:58am |
re: #386 Killgore Trout
The FCC only gets involved if there's a nipple exposed. Calling women sluts isn't offensive-- nudity is. This makes perfect sense.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:20:37am |
re: #388 Obdicut
The FCC only gets involved if there's a nipple exposed. Calling women sluts isn't offensive-- nudity is. This makes perfect sense.
Because nudity is women exposing themselves as sluts. There's obviously a clear distinction here.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:21:37am |
re: #385 Obdicut
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:22:01am |
re: #389 thedopefishlives
It's stupid to get the FCC involved. It's an awkward, stupid way to attempt to enforce morality.
I don't think they will, though.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:22:21am |
re: #390 Gus
Not healthy, keeping grudges for so long.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:23:37am |
re: #392 Obdicut
It's stupid to get the FCC involved. It's an awkward, stupid way to attempt to enforce morality.
I don't think they will, though.
Enforcing morality is a poor way to do things in any case.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:26:11am |
re: #391 ProGunLiberal
I'm not debating that there's a problem with Evangelical Christianity in the armed forces. But the burning of the Korans, the biggest incident, wasn't prompted by it.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:26:44am |
Priest who denied communion to lesbian suspended
A priest who denied communion to a lesbian at her mother's funeral has been placed on leave, according to the Roman Catholic archdiocese.
A letter from an archdiocese official said that the Rev. Marcel Guarnizo was placed on leave for engaging in intimidating behavior, according to NBCWashington.com. The archdiocese had previously apologized for Guarnizo’s behavior.
The letter was read at all Masses this weekend at St. John Neumann, according to The Washington Post. The pastor there, the Rev. Thomas LaHood, said the removal was not related to the communion standoff, but "pertains to actions over the past week or two." He did not elaborate.
“When questions arise about whether or not an individual should present themselves for communion, it is not the policy of the Archdiocese of Washington to publicly reprimand the person,” the statement said. “Any issues regarding the suitability of an individual to receive communion should be addressed by the priest with that person in a private, pastoral setting.”
Full article:
[Link: usnews.msnbc.msn.com...]
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BongCrodny Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:27:26am |
re: #352 Decatur Deb
Been looking at them (General Information Services). They claim to be a large HR clearinghouse, have a decent-looking website, but I've not found anything good from an independent source.
I found this, but I'm not convinced yet.
US Postal Service awards contract to GIS
If they're not legit, somebody's gone through a *hell* of a lot of work to make it look legit. :-)
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:27:53am |
re: #396 Obdicut
No, that was prompted by another problem our military seems to have:
Weapons-grade idiocy.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:30:34am |
re: #399 ProGunLiberal
It was contractors who burnt the Korans, I believe. The decision to have a ton of contractors around was not the military's.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:37:31am |
From the Dkos Rec list: Did Soldier who Killed 16 in Afghanistan Receive his Diploma from the Rush Limbaugh Show?
The Rush Limbaugh Show is being broadcast to troops on bases all over the world. However, America has too much at stake, to allow this seedy, ugly-spirited man to roll around in the minds of vulnerable young men. These soldiers are thousands of miles from home, getting shot at by an enemy indistinguishable from our Afghan allies, for a war whose rationale nobody even remembers any more. They need something better than an education in anti-Muslim hatred. Please sign the petition here to get Limbaugh removed from Armed Forces Radio. Thank you.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:39:01am |
re: #401 Killgore Trout
Do you think it's appropriate for Limbaugh to be on AFR, considering that we have women in the military, and that the radio is often going to be played in a group setting?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:39:04am |
re: #401 Killgore Trout
OK, that's stupid, even though someone who regularly demeans the CiC probably shouldn't be on the Armed Forces Radio anyway, since it doesn't make sense.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:39:57am |
re: #403 Lenin's Mummy
Oh right, I forgot about that bit. Not to mention spreading disinformation about enemies of the military like the Lord's Resistance Army.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:42:19am |
It's like, if Olbermann had a radio show during Bush's time, it would be stupid to let him spout, whether we agree with Bush or Olbermann.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:42:51am |
Looks like Oliver Willis has created his own version of hell. All original Lizards have been relegated to eternal damnation!
Except for Robert Byrd. Whatever. I hate these people.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:43:29am |
re: #407 Gus
Linky?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:44:23am |
re: #402 Obdicut
Do you think it's appropriate for Limbaugh to be on AFR, considering that we have women in the military, and that the radio is often going to be played in a group setting?
Probably not. Armed Forces Radio's purpose is to provide troops away from home the popular shows from the States. If you've ever been lonely and homesick overseas it can be very comforting to hear radio shows from home. I wouldn't deprive our soldiers in the field that comfort.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:46:57am |
When I was a kid AFR played a lot of old radio shows from the 40's. Jack Benny, The Shadow, Uncle Milty (Milton Berle). I loved those shows.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:48:53am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
When I was a kid AFR played a lot of old radio shows from the 40's. Jack Benny, The Shadow, Uncle Milty (Milton Berle). I loved those shows.
If there's a lot of pressure about Rush on AFR maybe they can dredge up some old Father Coughlin broadcasts to replace him with.
//
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:49:11am |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
Probably not. Armed Forces Radio's purpose is to provide troops away from home the popular shows from the States. If you've ever been lonely and homesick overseas it can be very comforting to hear radio shows from home. I wouldn't deprive our soldiers in the field that comfort.
Sorry, you think it's probably not appropriate for Limbaugh to be on, because his race-baiting, sexism, and gay-bashing will obviously be a morale detriment to minority, female, and gay soldiers? Is that what you're saying? I can't really tell.
I mean, aside from the constant detraction of their commander-in-chief, that is.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:49:23am |
re: #412 jaunte
It's hard to satisfy the Purity Commission.
Another self-anointed leader of from Puritopia.
Unfollowed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:51:03am |
re: #415 Gus
Someone who can't see the changes here is utterly and willfully blind.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:57:11am |
re: #416 Lenin's Mummy
Someone who can't see the changes here is utterly and willfully blind.
I'm glad I saw his crap this morning. Works as reminder that some on the left or just as deranged as those on the right. Sort of like when John Cole was defending Glenn Greenwald's Obama/nun rape joke.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:57:45am |
re: #416 Lenin's Mummy
Totally OT: Is Michael Mills some sort of racist robot? He's got such a staggering freaking output.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:59:10am |
re: #417 Gus
Sorry, disagree with "as deranged" in regard to Cole and Willis. Willis is simply stupid, Cole may have a blind spot, but don't we all?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 8:59:44am |
re: #418 Obdicut
You been reading AHF again? ;)
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:00:08am |
re: #419 Lenin's Mummy
Sorry, disagree with "as deranged" in regard to Cole and Willis. Willis is simply stupid, Cole may have a blind spot, but don't we all?
Off-kilter.
I'm doomed now. I said deranged. It will be in my record! ///
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:00:50am |
re: #421 Gus
Off-kilter.
I'm doomed now. I said deranged. It will be in my record! ///
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:00:53am |
Heh. Have online comments become a joke - outliving their usefulness? Well, if you're going by what you see at FoxNews, Yahoo, and other big name sites, the answer would be absolutely yes. The companies do a poor job of moderating for spam and racist, bigoted, and other comments. Cesspool is a more accurate reflection of the comments sections there (and I'm sure other examples can be proffered).
If you're going to run a tightly moderated site, then you might get a much better comments section that potentially adds value.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:01:50am |
Charles has done more to expose Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, RS McCain, et al than anyone else on the left side of the internet.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:03:36am |
re: #420 Lenin's Mummy
You been reading AHF again? ;)
Yes. Good to see David Thompson still holding the line, but Mills-- my god, he was always so creepy to interact with. Just something so off about him.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:05:21am |
re: #414 Obdicut
Sorry, you think it's probably not appropriate for Limbaugh to be on, because his race-baiting, sexism, and gay-bashing will obviously be a morale detriment to minority, female, and gay soldiers? Is that what you're saying? I can't really tell.
I mean, aside from the constant detraction of their commander-in-chief, that is.
I'll leave that decision to the military. I don't have any interest in telling soldiers overseas what radio shows they can listen to.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:06:47am |
re: #425 Obdicut
Yeah, it's strange. Aside from antisemitism, he's vv knowledgeable, but he will seize some marginal idea and run with it, defending it at all costs, like his insistence that Aktion Reinhard was an economic operation (even though he acknowledges the gas chambers), SLON camps should be called "the elephant camps" (and AIDS must be a helper disease by this logic), etc.
He is someone in the mold of David Irving and Kevin McDonald.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:08:58am |
re: #414 Obdicut
Sorry, you think it's probably not appropriate for Limbaugh to be on, because his race-baiting, sexism, and gay-bashing will obviously be a morale detriment to minority, female, and gay soldiers? Is that what you're saying? I can't really tell.
I mean, aside from the constant detraction of their commander-in-chief, that is.
The soldiers can handle it, and the DoD is very good about non-censorship. Here's the AFN programming drift from Wiki. (In Korea, my staff shop got all the Superbowl commercial slots--freakn' gold.)
"AFN programming
While the audience tunes into AFN to watch their favorite shows or listen to the latest Stateside hits, entertainment is the "candy coating" used to attract the military viewer/listener. AFN's primary mission is to provide access for worldwide, regional and local command information (CI) spots, which air during commercial breaks in programming instead of commercial advertisements. These CI spots run the gamut from reminding servicemembers to register to vote, promoting local command-sponsored recreation events & off-duty educational programs, providing health and wellness tips, and listing what's playing at local base movie theaters.
AFN also inserts public service announcements from the Ad Council. Some of the 35 overseas AFN affiliates have the capability to cover the "worldwide" CI spots placed by the AFN Broadcast Center in California with regional or locally produced CI spots (such as localized messages from senior leadership).
Many service members welcome this approach, while others find it troublesome, especially during the airing of the Super Bowl.
The network is allowed to broadcast commercial movie promotion trailers provided by the Army & Air Force Exchange Service (AAFES) and the Navy Motion Picture Service (NMPS) to promote the latest film releases in base theaters worldwide. Previously these were the only true "commercials" authorized for broadcast. AFN has recently started airing advertisements for colleges and universities, including for-profit universities such as the University of Phoenix which has been a source of controversy.[12]
AFN Radio and TV schedules are available at myafn.net.
[edit] Radio
AFN also offers a variety of radio programming over its various frequencies throughout the world. Not only is there local programming (with military disc jockeys), but there is satellite programming, as well. Music programming spans Classic Rock, Rhythmic R&B, Jack FM, Techno/Trance and country music. Ryan Seacrest's AT 40, The Rick Dees' Weekly Top 40 and the American Country Countdown with Kix Brooks are broadcast weekly over AFN Radio. In addition to music, AFN broadcasts syndicated talk radio programs such as Car Talk, Kidd Kraddick in the Morning, Kim Komando, The Rush Limbaugh Show, The Motley Fool Radio Show, A Prairie Home Companion, Doug Stephan,Titillating Sports with Rick Tittle, Sports Overnight America, and other programs form a variety of sources. Weekly religious programming is offered to AFN stations via closed-circuit.
On December 5, 2005, liberal/progressive Ed Schultz and conservative talk show host Sean Hannity were added to the radio programs provided by the AFN Broadcast Center to its affiliate stations. Liberal Alan Colmes rounds out the political talk lineup on The Voice channel."
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:09:02am |
re: #426 Killgore Trout
I'll leave that decision to the military. I don't have any interest in telling soldiers overseas what radio shows they can listen to.
Why do you continue to dishonestly represent questions that are asked to you? Do you think it won't be obvious?
You've previously talked about how, if Limbaugh is offensive, people can simply change the channel and walk away. I'm asking you to consider the group setting that radio is often played in. You're simply unwilling to actually answer the question.
Why? If you want discussion, why not actually have a discussion? Why resort, constantly, to passive aggressive nonsense?
Furthermore, the military, as you well know, is governed by congress. They are not independent. They are under civilian leadership. It's the duty of citizens to make sure we're taking care of our armed forces.
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BongCrodny Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:11:19am |
Hey, all ~~
Thanks for all your help with the Post Office thing.
I checked the Post Office job posting, and this was at the very bottom of the announcement:
ATTENTION! Please add the following email addresses to your contact list right away to allow correspondence, especially if you use SPAM blocking software, use a yahoo account, or use a work or military email address!
USPSeServices@geninfo.com
So if they're not legitimate, it looks like the Post Office is in on the scam.
...oh, hell. I think I just made myself *more* paranoid. :-)
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:11:50am |
re: #428 Decatur Deb
Heh. I doubt they're good at non-censorship, otherwise there'd be a lot more hardcore porn being broadcast.
Are there any rules about playing the radio in a group setting?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:12:24am |
re: #430 BongCrodny
Heh, should have been in BIG BOLD RED LETTERS.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:12:41am |
re: #430 BongCrodny
Hey, all ~~
Thanks for all your help with the Post Office thing.
I checked the Post Office job posting, and this was at the very bottom of the announcement:
So if they're not legitimate, it looks like the Post Office is in on the scam.
...oh, hell. I think I just made myself *more* paranoid. :-)
Did you apply at a big building, with lots of red, white and blue trucks parked out front?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:13:20am |
re: #434 Gus
Whahappened?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:14:35am |
re: #436 Gus
Eh. Minor disturbances in the Force ;)
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:16:45am |
re: #431 Obdicut
Heh. I doubt they're good at non-censorship, otherwise there'd be a lot more hardcore porn being broadcast.
Are there any rules about playing the radio in a group setting?
Just the rules the guys in the shop set. We often kept a flat screen on one or another news channels for work purposes--We had CNN (stateside) on when the planes went into the Twin Towers. By the time they hit the Pentagon, we were talking to our liaison there.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:23:40am |
re: #439 Decatur Deb
Yeah, I think that's pretty problematic. Obviously, we wouldn't want to be broadcasting someone who was calling the troops babykillers-- or, alternately, encouraging them to desert or go AWOL. I think the effect on morale can't be overlooked.
Glad to see they've got Car Talk, though. Would be hilarious to have someone call in from Afghanistan with a problem with their Humvee.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:25:01am |
re: #441 Obdicut
Yeah, I think that's pretty problematic. Obviously, we wouldn't want to be broadcasting someone who was calling the troops babykillers-- or, alternately, encouraging them to desert or go AWOL. I think the effect on morale can't be overlooked.
Glad to see they've got Car Talk, though. Would be hilarious to have someone call in from Afghanistan with a problem with their Humvee.
They once had a call from someone in a Government-Owned Vehicle (GOV), the space shuttle in orbit.
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Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:26:06am |
re: #442 Decatur Deb
They once had a call from someone in a Government-Owned Vehicle (GOV), the space shuttle in orbit.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that they laughed and snorted. Just wild speculation on my part.
/
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:27:01am |
re: #443 Simply Sarah
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that they laughed and snorted. Just wild speculation on my part.
/
They were impressed by the top speed.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:27:35am |
re: #444 Decatur Deb
They were impressed by the top speed.
Did they note that finnicky problem with those damn heat tiles?
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:28:49am |
re: #445 Obdicut
Did they note that finnicky problem with those damn heat tiles?
Wonder how many miles they put on the most veteran shuttle?
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:30:17am |
re: #446 Decatur Deb
Wikipedia sez that Discovery, the oldest shuttle, got 149 Million Miles.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:30:50am |
re: #447 ProGunLiberal
Wikipedia sez that Discovery, the oldest shuttle, got 149 Million Miles.
Yeah, but a lot of those were downhill.
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:34:05am |
re: #448 Obdicut
Yeah, but a lot of those were downhill.
You hear about the new 100% green Italian car?
Its called the Runzonli Downhill.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:35:08am |
re: #446 Decatur Deb
By your command:
Discovery logged 365 days — a full year — in space, and journeyed 148,221,675 miles (238,539,663 km). Over its career, Discovery also made 5,830 orbits of the Earth.
Up to and including its most recent flight, STS-132, Atlantis has traveled 120,650,907 miles (194,168,813 km). The orbiter has made 4,648 orbits of the Earth and to date, has spent 293 days, 18 hours, 29 minutes in space.
Atlantis' STS-135 mission will be the orbiter's 33rd flight, and will tack on 12 days and many more miles to these current figures.
Endeavour is the youngest shuttle in NASA's orbiter fleet, and was built as a replacement for Challenger. The shuttle flew 25 missions over the course of its spaceflying career, logging a total of 122,883,151 miles (197,761,261 km) on its odometer.
Columbia, before it disintegrated on reentry, had logged more than 125 million miles.
By comparison, Challenger logged just over 25 million miles before the disaster took the lives of all onboard in 1986.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:35:36am |
My brain just took a ride to Idontgiveashitstan.
Must. Unstuck. Myself.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:36:08am |
Afternoon lizards!
I got my first HDTV on Friday. I got a hellava deal at Bestbuy and got to enjoy it yesterday after DirecTV brought me a new DH DVR. I have been living with ane old fashion TV forever.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:36:18am |
re: #447 ProGunLiberal
Wikipedia sez that Discovery, the oldest shuttle, got 149 Million Miles.
The call was from John Grunsfeld in Atlantis. It must have been a cream-puff then, only 4 million miles.
[Link: articles.orlandosentinel.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:39:11am |
re: #451 Gus
Cute little boars:
[Link: www.roev.ru...]
Cute little porcupines:
[Link: www.roev.ru...]
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:40:16am |
re: #456 Lenin's Mummy
Cute little boars:
[Link: www.roev.ru...]
Cute little porcupines:
[Link: www.roev.ru...]
Snooo! Iz teh wittle Spoonkins!
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:42:28am |
It's official, I am one week smoke/nicotine free!
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General Nimrod Bodfish Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:42:46am |
Been following Voyager 2 (and its twin Voyager 1) on Twitter lately. Still operating 34 years after launch, and on the verge of leaving the Solar System. At the distance they are, it takes light 13 hours to reach them! And the Earth is catching up with them (due to the Earth orbiting faster than them right now). It's just amazing to me.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:43:32am |
re: #458 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
It's official, I am one week smoke/nicotine free!
You're now addicted to clean air. Sucker! ///
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:44:24am |
re: #460 Lenin's Mummy
You're now addicted to clean air. Sucker! ///
I am thoroughly addicted to cold turkey. Its a bitch to give up.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:45:21am |
re: #458 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
It's official, I am one week smoke/nicotine free!
Congrats--wife says you stop thinking about it after a month.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:45:29am |
re: #459 Give the Mule what he wants
Been following Voyager 2 (and its twin Voyager 1) on Twitter lately. Still operating 34 years after launch, and on the verge of leaving the Solar System. At the distance they are, it takes light 13 hours to reach them! And the Earth is catching up with them (due to the Earth orbiting faster than them right now). It's just amazing to me.
They just don't make 'em like they used to.
/Damn kids, get off my lawn
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:45:33am |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:46:22am |
thanks Deb
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:47:44am |
re: #464 Obdicut
Meh, it'll only kill 10% of the enemy.
Well played sir, well played.
Maybe a Tomb Stalker instead
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:48:06am |
re: #468 Gus
Good grass.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:48:17am |
re: #458 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
It's official, I am one week smoke/nicotine free!
Congratulations. Keep us updated.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:51:03am |
re: #458 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
It's official, I am one week smoke/nicotine free!
Keep it up. These first few weeks are the toughest. Remember, every day, your heart, lungs, and overall health are improving.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:51:59am |
Thanks Obdicut and thedopefishlives
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:53:46am |
re: #453 Decatur Deb
The call was from John Grunsfeld in Atlantis. It must have been a cream-puff then, only 4 million miles.
[Link: articles.orlandosentinel.com...]
Click: What seems to be the problem?
Caller: We start it up and it goes FOOM! ROAR ROAR ROAR!
And for some reason the manufactorer requires you to have a degree in rocket science in order to drive it!
:)
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Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:54:12am |
About that sound that was annoying everyone - the Breitbart clowns apparently modified their Farrakhan video so that it would autoplay. I removed the video.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:56:35am |
re: #477 Charles Johnson
About that sound that was annoying everyone - the Breitbart clowns apparently modified their Farrakhan video so that it would autoplay. I removed the video.
There are no speakers in a computer at work and my dial up at home has kept me away from the computer at home.
I'm glad I missed it. I have a new toy anyway.
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:57:17am |
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:57:53am |
I'm not the biggest Doonesbury fan, but this comic hit the mark re: the ultrasound shaming legislation sweeping the nation courtesy of the GOP.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:59:22am |
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 9:59:43am |
re: #480 Kragar
I ran across that on HuffPo (Decided to look at that video from the Challenger Disaster).
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:00:27am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:00:41am |
re: #479 Gus
Kommie-Katze ;)
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:01:45am |
Billionaire Romney Backer: The Ultrawealthy Have An ‘Insufficient Influence’ Over Politics
Ah, poor widdle billionaires never get anything.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:02:34am |
re: #486 Kragar
"Who are all these little people in the way of my limo?"
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Tigger2005 Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:02:41am |
As much as I like Johnny Depp, his portrayal of Willie Wonka was awful. His Wonka was just creepy, rather than eccentric but kindly. Wilder got it right.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:02:58am |
re: #484 Kragar
Before getting a prescription for Viagra or other erectile dysfunction drugs, men would have to see a sex therapist, receive a cardiac stress test and get a notarized affidavit signed by a sexual partner affirming impotency, if state Sen. Nina Turner has her way.
The Cleveland Democrat introduced Senate Bill 307 this week.
Does she have a problem with erections?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:03:46am |
re: #489 NJDhockeyfan
Does she have a problem with erections?
Not sure. But she does have a sense of humor apparently.
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BongCrodny Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:03:57am |
re: #480 Kragar
Poll: GOP Voters In Deep South Think Obama Is Muslim, Unsure On Interracial Marriage
"There are five lights. Now, how many lights are there?"
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:04:04am |
re: #489 NJDhockeyfan
Does she have a problem with erections?
As many problems as Issa's panel had with ovarian cysts.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:04:30am |
re: #489 NJDhockeyfan
She has a problem with Charlatans trying to force religion on her and others.
This brilliant innovator had an idea to fire back.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:05:12am |
re: #492 Kragar
As many problems as Issa's panel had with ovarian cysts.
Bi-partisan anti-sex bills?
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:05:46am |
re: #491 BongCrodny
The guys at HuffPo are making comments like this:
This poll raises an interesting question: if a couple gets divorced in Alabama or Mississippi, are they still brother and sister?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:06:19am |
re: #494 NJDhockeyfan
Bi-partisan anti-sex bills?
No, just a Democrat exposing Republican hypocrisy and absurdity.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:06:34am |
re: #495 ProGunLiberal
The guys at HuffPo are making comments like this:
That's an old joke. They have the same joke here but it involves West Virginians.
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:07:27am |
re: #497 NJDhockeyfan
That's an old joke. They have the same joke here but it involves West Virginians.
West Virginia...
Lol.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:07:31am |
re: #497 NJDhockeyfan
True. I've heard that joke from my Dad about Southerners in general.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:07:39am |
PA House expected to pass voter ID law today; will be the 9th GOP state since '10 to require photo ID to vote bitly.com/x8OyaY
— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) March 12, 2012
Rolling Stone:
Pennsylvania will be the ninth GOP state since 2010 to require a photo ID in order to vote; the state's law mandates a government-issued ID or one from a college or nursing home. According to a study by the Brennan Center for Justice, 11 percent of U.S. citizens lack a government-issued ID, but the numbers are significantly higher among young voters (18 percent), voters 65 or older (18 percent) and African-Americans (25 percent). Based on these figures, as many as 700,000 Pennsylvanians may not be able to vote in the next election. (Pennsylvania Secretary of State Carol Aichele claims 99 percent of Pennsylvanians possess the proper ID, which seems unlikely given the state’s large student, elderly and African-American population).
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:08:43am |
re: #500 jaunte
The Republican Party is at this point trying to turn the US into one of the Central Asian "Republics."
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:09:17am |
Obama's poll numbers are slipping again.
Gas prices sink Obama’s ratings on economy, bring parity to race for White House
Disapproval of President Obama’s handling of the economy is heading higher — alongside gasoline prices — as a record number of Americans now give the president “strongly” negative reviews on the 2012 presidential campaign’s most important issue, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
Increasingly pessimistic views of Obama’s performance on the economy — and on the federal budget deficit — come despite a steadily brightening employment picture and other signs of economic improvement, and they highlight the political sensitivity of rising gas prices.
The potential political consequences are clear, with the rising public disapproval reversing some of the gains the president had made in hypothetical general-election matchups against possible Republican rivals for the White House. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and former senator Rick Santorum (Pa.) now both run about evenly with Obama. The findings come just five weeks after Obama appeared to be getting a boost from the improving economy.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:09:31am |
re: #500 jaunte
Rolling Stone:
I'm just surprised they (PA) didn't make hunting licenses a valid form of voter ID as well.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:09:50am |
Hey, Obdi, this might be of some interest - [Link: www.basarchive.org...]
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Kragar Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:10:11am |
re: #501 ProGunLiberal
The Republican Party is at this point trying to turn the US into one of the Central Asian "Republics."
"Only party members in good standing with the Central Committee may vote."
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:10:42am |
re: #500 jaunte
The actual goal of the voter ID laws is to suppress voter turnout, so I'm not surprised to see the GOP lying about the statistics behind it.
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Gus Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:15:58am |
Former wingnuts:
• Ariana Huffington
• Andrew Sullivan
• Glenn Greenwald*
• John Cole
• Robert Byrd
...
| 508 |
Varek Raith Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:16:50am |
Fox News On Gas Prices In 2008
Derpity der derp.
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blueraven Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:16:52am |
re: #502 NJDhockeyfan
Obama's poll numbers are slipping again.
Gas prices sink Obama’s ratings on economy, bring parity to race for White House
Wipe the spittle off your chin.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:18:19am |
Remember, no matter how tough your life is, at least Rick Santorum isn't talking to you right now.
— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) March 12, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:19:22am |
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makeitstop Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:20:38am |
Bradlee Dean's band offers an uplifting Christian message to high schoolers...
Dean’s band — Junkyard Prophet, a Christian heavy metal/rap group — performed at Dunkerton High School on Thursday and then split the audience up into several groups: boys, girls and teachers. They reportedly told the girls that they would have mud on their wedding dresses if they weren’t virgins, advised them to take a submissive role in their marriages and showed images of aborted fetuses.
Another week, another double helping of 'tolerance.' Sigh.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:22:13am |
re: #512 makeitstop
Bradlee Dean's band offers an uplifting Christian message to high schoolers...
Another week, another double helping of 'tolerance.' Sigh.
Did the teachers group get given important documents on the teaching of intelligent design in their science classrooms?
/
| 515 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:22:17am |
re: #513 Obdicut
How is that related to Obama?
You didn't know that Obama sets the prices by executive order? Ignoramus./
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:22:35am |
Oil production is higher now than it ever was under Bush.
Same with the number of wells in operation.
Funny, that.
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makeitstop Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:22:43am |
re: #513 Obdicut
How is that related to Obama?
Everything is Obama's fault unless it's a good thing, then it's not.
//
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Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:23:16am |
re: #517 makeitstop
Everything is Obama's fault unless it's a good thing, then it's not.
//
No. Then it's still his fault. It's his fault things aren't even better.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:23:57am |
re: #517 makeitstop
Everything is Obama's fault unless it's a good thing, then it's not.
//
Is Obama the one in the corn field, or the one sending people there?
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blueraven Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:24:26am |
re: #511 NJDhockeyfan
I would rather have lower gas prices.
Don't worry, they will go back down, then you can find something else to be outraged about.
| 521 |
jaunte Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:24:43am |
re: #517 makeitstop
New acronym: IDMIITIIHRW:
"It doesn't matter if it's true if it helps Republicans win."
| 522 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:25:40am |
Drunken Buggy Driving?!?
[Link: usnews.msnbc.msn.com...]
| 523 |
NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:40:54am |
re: #520 blueraven
Don't worry, they will go back down, then you can find something else to be outraged about.
Outraged?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:45:14am |
re: #515 Lenin's Mummy
You didn't know that Obama sets the prices by executive order? Ignoramus./
When gas prices went up during the George Bush administration Obama and the Dems blamed him. Now all of a sudden it's not the president's fault?
| 525 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:48:07am |
re: #524 NJDhockeyfan
When gas prices went up during the George Bush administration Obama and the Dems blamed him. Now all of a sudden it's not the president's fault?
Do you think it's Obama's fault, and if so, on what basis?
| 526 |
Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:48:45am |
re: #524 NJDhockeyfan
When gas prices went up during the George Bush administration Obama and the Dems blamed him. Now all of a sudden it's not the president's fault?
Can you cite Obama blaming Bush for a rise in gas prices?
| 527 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:49:04am |
"Bush got blamed for high gas prices, so that makes it okay to blame Obama for them, too." Weak sauce.— Ian Boudreau (@iboudreau) March 12, 2012
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makeitstop Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:50:53am |
re: #519 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Is Obama the one in the corn field, or the one sending people there?
How I wish Obama could wish some of these bastards out to the corn field.
| 529 |
Eventual Carrion Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:03:28am |
re: #516 Varek Raith
Oil production is higher now than it ever was under Bush.
Same with the number of wells in operation.
Funny, that.
Isn't it. Makes you think it is more profit driven (and manipulated) than a pure supply and demand setup. Supply high, demand lower. what is suppose to happen in that scenario?
| 530 |
NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:16:05am |
re: #526 Obdicut
Can you cite Obama blaming Bush for a rise in gas prices?
Barack Obama on Gas Prices, in Indianapolis
April 25, 2008
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:18:21am |
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:28:40am |
re: #530 NJDhockeyfan
Did you listen to it? He doesn't blame Bush for higher gas prices. He was talking about us still being on oil in the first place, and thus vulnerable to oil prices spikes, and how Bush was not pursuing energy alternatives.
Sadly, Obama's been prevented from his goal of alternative energy by the GOP, but it would have helped a hell of a lot on gas prices if they had the foresight and guts to invest in it.
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