More Complete Video of Zimmerman’s Arrival at Sanford PD Posted

Again, no visible injuries at all
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The City of Sanford has uploaded a more complete set of video clips showing George Zimmerman being brought into the police station after killing Trayvon Martin, and again there is absolutely no evidence of injuries to Zimmerman, neither on the back of his head (which supposedly had “lacerations”) nor to his nose (which supposedly was “broken”).

Youtube Video

Meanwhile, right wing “news” site The Daily Caller isolated one split second from the earlier ABC News video and “enhanced” it to show what they claim “may be an injury.” But it’s very obviously a reflection of the overhead light on Zimmerman’s shaved head; many other views of Zimmerman’s head show absolutely no injuries in that area. The Daily Caller’s attempt to claim otherwise is, frankly, ludicrous.

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1 simoom  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:25:13pm
Meanwhile, right wing “news” site The Daily Caller isolated one split second from the earlier ABC News video and “enhanced” it to show what they claim “may be an injury.” But it’s very obviously a reflection of the overhead light on Zimmerman’s shaved head; many other views of Zimmerman’s head show absolutely no injuries in that area.

A collage of back-of-the-head screencaps, including the one the Daily Caller cherry picked, I saw posted at reddit:
Image: ocyA0.png

2 neilk  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:25:19pm

Sure would be nice if someone would investigate this case other than internet sleuths scrutinizing YouTube and Twitter.

3 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:25:21pm

Exclusive footage of the Daily Caller enhancement process...

Youtube Video
4 neilk  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:26:29pm

Remember when the right-wing sites were outraged that (they thought) Martin supporters were digitally enhancing photos of him to make him look more innocent(?).

A week is a long time these days.

5 simoom  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:27:11pm

re: #3 Kragar

Youtube Video
6 iossarian  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:29:46pm

If that's a guy who's had his head "slammed against the sidewalk" then I'm Santa Fucking Claus.

7 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:32:24pm

I wonder if there's a booking shot or the police took photos for evidence.

8 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:33:30pm

What the video doesn't show of course are the multiple lacerations and devastating head traumas that are revealed by a just few minutes work with Photoshops 'pen' tool.

9 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:35:03pm

re: #8 Aye Pod

Head has layers.

10 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:35:41pm

re: #6 iossarian

If that's a guy who's had his head "slammed against the sidewalk" then I'm Santa Fucking Claus.

Worst. Claus. Ever.

/my damn x-mas stocking was all sticky

11 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:36:29pm

re: #10 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Worst. Claus. Ever.

/my damn x-mas stocking was all sticky

He really did come down the chimney...

12 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:37:12pm

So this has quietly been released, with no denial of any kind by the SPD?

13 blueraven  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:37:17pm

re: #11 Kragar

He really did come down the chimney...

Roasted chestnuts

14 simoom  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:38:58pm

re: #1 simoom

A collage of back-of-the-head screencaps ...

Actually, those screencaps from the old ABC website video have nothing on the video Charles posted. It makes it obvious the enormous, head-splitting gash the Daily Caller tries to invent with a sharpen-filtered single frame, isn't there.

15 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:40:42pm

The special prosecutor must be jumping with joy. She couldn't have asked for more positive proof that the SPD is full of shit.

16 funky chicken  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:41:12pm

I think somebody at the Sanford PD got tired of being part of the "clean up after Judge Zimmerman's nutjob kid" brigade.

17 erik_t  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:43:00pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

So this has quietly been released, with no denial of any kind by the SPD?

I assume they've been instructed by this point to keep their lips tightly fucking shut. There's nothing they could say at this point that would not be damaging.

18 funky chicken  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:43:14pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

The special prosecutor must be jumping with joy. She couldn't have asked for more positive proof that the SPD is full of shit.

Actually, that the State's Attorney who personally came down to the station and declined to allow prosecution is full of shit. Not everybody at the PD appears to have agreed with that decision.

19 neilk  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:43:52pm

I heard about a FOIA request, but maybe that was someone's assumption.

20 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:44:15pm

re: #16 funky chicken

I think somebody at the Sanford PD got tired of being part of the "clean up after Judge Zimmerman's nutjob kid" brigade.

It's got to be frustrating as a policeman to watch what your colleagues can get away with, yet be constrained from speaking against them by the "keep it in-house" culture.

21 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:45:48pm

re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea

It's got to be frustrating as a policeman to watch what your colleagues can get away with, yet be constrained from speaking against them by the "keep it in-house" culture.

My guess is whoever leaked the video is one of those who's weighing the potential of losing his pension/benefits against criminal charges and deciding he'd rather get forced out in disgrace than spend time behind bars.

22 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:50:36pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

We don't know if this was leaked or if it's just policy to release these sorts of things to news organizations if they request them.

23 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:51:45pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

My guess is whoever leaked the video is one of those who's weighing the potential of losing his pension/benefits against criminal charges and deciding he'd rather get forced out in disgrace than spend time behind bars.

If this keeps going the way that it's going, the Sanford PD is going to be torn apart like it's soft bread...and justly so. This is messed up, and a bunch of people should have their jobs...and asses...on the line.

On a dark note...I find myself wondering, when someone talks about "not interfering in the local law enforcement" (either by the state or federal levels) how often it's blind suspicion of large institutions and how often there's a conscious recognition of how local politics and economic conditions colors local justice.

24 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:52:15pm

re: #22 Obdicut

We don't know if this was leaked or if it's just policy to release these sorts of things to news organizations if they request them.

Considering the shitload of things that have no doubt been requested and denied under the blanket of "impending trial," not to mention the "leaks" that have been seen as bolstering Zimmerman's case, leaves me unwilling to believe that this was the SPD having a moment of conscience.

25 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:52:48pm

House Republicans once again prove their absolute commitment to individual privacy rights.

Oh wait.

Employee Social Password Privacy Measure Fails in the House

An amendment that would have prevented employers from demanding your social media passwords was defeated by House Republicans on Wednesday.

The measure, which was attached to a larger FCC bill, was introduced by Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) and defeated on a vote of 236-185.

“What this amendment does is it says that you cannot demand, as a condition of employment, that somebody reveal a confidential password to their Facebook, to their Flickr, to their Twitter, whatever their account may be,” Perlmutter said during a floor debate before the vote.

The password amendment met resistance from House Republicans, who didn’t consider the amendment necessary despite Perlmutter’s insistence that the amendment “would not change the overall impact or intent of the FCC Reform Act.”

26 blueraven  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:52:56pm

If you watch the video, you can see the bald officer also has a shadow on the back of his head when he is in the relative same position as he leans over slightly and places his jacket in the trunk of the squad car.

Maybe someone should ask the DC if he got whacked in the head too.

27 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:53:04pm

The Sanford PD is probably operating in CYA mode at this point, and the leaks began with the investigator saying that they wanted charges filed, but were overruled from on high (who it was that made the determination not to file was not within the Department). These videos further corroborate the investigator's statements that Zimmerman's statements were inconsistent and otherwise didn't match what was found by police at the scene.

So, if it wasn't the PD that made a mess of this, it leaves the FL state attorneys who are responsible for prosecuting criminal cases.

And that raises all kinds of other issues regarding familial relationships and problems within the justice system in FL besides the whole SGY mess.

28 neilk  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:53:09pm

I just read for the first time that Zimmerman's father is a retired magistrate judge. That seems like a relevant fact.

Edit: I could've read it in this thread if I'd looked.

29 jaunte  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:54:00pm

Sanford police threaten to arrest reporters for asking questions

Sanford Police on Wednesday threatened to arrest members of the media who approach or ask questions of city employees during non-working hours.
Some city employees have been "followed or approached at their home or in settings outside of working hours," according to the statement, released late Wednesday.
The city further asked that reporters not approach, call or email city employees at home.
"Law enforcement officials will not hesitate to make an arrest for stalking*," the press release stated.

*Only if you're a reporter.

30 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:54:20pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

I really don't know much of anything about what can and can't be requested by the police. I know that long before many trials, things like dash cam footage and other details are released by by the police. Whether this is because they have to or they normally want to because of transparency, I don't know.

31 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:55:30pm

re: #29 jaunte

Sanford police threaten to arrest reporters for asking questions

*Only if you're a reporter.

Doesn't sound legal. It certainly doesn't sound Constitutional -- i.e. Freedom of the Press.

32 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:57:09pm

Whatever else might be said about this case, those who complain about "hysterics" and "agendas" in this case are clearly in the wrong. Only the ourcry helped to propel it to spotlight, and if there will be any justice done, it's only because of the outcry.

33 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:57:13pm

re: #10 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Worst. Claus. Ever.

/my damn x-mas stocking was all sticky

Ewwwwwww

34 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:57:14pm

re: #29 jaunte

Sanford police threaten to arrest reporters for asking questions

*Only if you're a reporter.

Can the reporter call it self defense and get away with it?

35 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:57:24pm

re: #31 Gus

Doesn't sound legal. It certainly doesn't sound Constitutional -- i.e. Freedom of the Press.

Doesn't sound like it'll deter a young reporter intent on making his bones.

36 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:57:24pm

re: #30 Obdicut

I really don't know much of anything about what can and can't be requested by the police. I know that long before many trials, things like dash cam footage and other details are released by by the police. Whether this is because they have to or they normally want to because of transparency, I don't know.

Not saying it's impossible, just saying it's very unlikely. They've been making every effort they can to dodge releasing things you've expect be made readily available, such as a coroner's report that would put to rest questions of whether Trayvon was the aggressor. If this release was by the SPD, then there's a reason behind it, and none of the plausible ones are particularly pleasant.

37 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:58:02pm

re: #11 Kragar

He really did come down the chimney...

Over and over and over again.

/somebody was wearing that Vitamin E out ;-P

38 tajsagay01  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:58:59pm

i thought the police said zimmerman was injured? can the police be sued in america? cos they shouldnt be giving false accounts

39 jaunte  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:00:09pm

re: #31 Gus

Sanford PD, out of their depth.

40 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:00:54pm

Time stamp on the video is 35 minutes after the shooting. Consider that in making a determination of what took place before being taken to the station. Cops are en-route before the shooting; arrive at scene; make a quick field assessment; gather evidence; call EMT; EMTs arrive and "clean up" Zimmerman; cops place Zimmerman in patrol car; return to police station. All in 35 minutes.

41 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:01:17pm

Mr. Zimmerman does not have police powers. Every security guard knows that their job is to "observe and report." One does not pursue a a suspicious person (other than to observe their direction of travel) even less to confront them. Good security guards observe, report and, if necessary, run!

42 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:01:25pm

I'm reluctant to make this point, but in their own hateful way, the Brietbart people have identified an genuine inconsistency with Liberals and race.

There's an umbrella term of "people of color" that's used to refer to "non-White" people. And this is broadly set to include Latinos, though not all Latinos will agree. An interesting commentary I saw on this was from Herman Badillo who said that Puerto Ricans are in a position to chose their racial categorization, and "white" would help them more. See his book "One Nation, One Standard"

And there is some Left-Wing ridiculousness about this. There was a call to African Americans to encourage Rainbow Grocery, a local food co-op, to stop selling Israeli food. Why? Because, according to them, Palestinians are fellow people-of-color! Nevermind the majority of Israelis are of immediate mid-eastern ancestry. (My paternal grandparents were born in Gaza city, kicked out in 1929. If we were just a different religion, we'd be "people of color!") And never mind the large number of non-Jewish African refugees living in Israel. And never mind the Ethiopian Jews. To many liberals, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about race.

I think some of the right-wingers pointing out left-wing inconsistency have a small point.

However, their larger point is one of hate--that Martin had it coming, that Stand Your Ground is a good idea, so I won't stick my neck out for the Brietbart crowd.

43 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:02:18pm

re: #40 Gus

Oh really? I'd heard it asserted this was four hours after, which made some cleanup make sense. If it was only 35 minutes-- that's very fast.

I hope the SPD isn't silly enough to have an incorrect time stamp.

44 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:02:20pm

re: #28 neilk

I just read for the first time that Zimmerman's father is a retired magistrate judge. That seems like a relevant fact.

That would put a new spin on this.
Not so much the "black kid deserved to get shot" idea, but the "Sanford Police/courts covering for the kid of one of our judges" angle.

45 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:02:51pm

re: #42 ReamWorks

I haven't heard 'people of color' used in a long time.

46 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:03:03pm

re: #42 ReamWorks

I'm reluctant to make this point, but in their own hateful way, the Brietbart people have identified an genuine inconsistency with Liberals and race.

There's an umbrella term of "people of color" that's used to refer to "non-White" people. And this is broadly set to include Latinos, though not all Latinos will agree. An interesting commentary I saw on this was from Herman Badillo who said that Puerto Ricans are in a position to chose their racial categorization, and "white" would help them more. See his book "One Nation, One Standard"

And there is some Left-Wing ridiculousness about this. There was a call to African Americans to encourage Rainbow Grocery, a local food co-op, to stop selling Israeli food. Why? Because, according to them, Palestinians are fellow people-of-color! Nevermind the majority of Israelis are of immediate mid-eastern ancestry. (My paternal grandparents were born in Gaza city, kicked out in 1929. If we were just a different religion, we'd be "people of color!") And never mind the large number of non-Jewish African refugees living in Israel. And never mind the Ethiopian Jews. To many liberals, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about race.

I think some of the right-wingers pointing out left-wing inconsistency have a small point.

However, their larger point is one of hate--that Martin had it coming, that Stand Your Ground is a good idea, so I won't stick my neck out for the Brietbart crowd.


"To many liberals, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about race."

*Citation Needed!*

47 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:03:08pm

re: #34 Kragar

Can the reporter call it self defense and get away with it?

If he lives.

48 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:03:08pm

re: #38 tajsagay01

i thought the police said zimmerman was injured? can the police be sued in america? cos they shouldnt be giving false accounts

Law enforcement considers it ethical to lie to suspects. And to witnesses, and the general public too, now, apparently.

49 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:03:18pm

re: #43 Obdicut

Oh really? I'd heard it asserted this was four hours after, which made some cleanup make sense. If it was only 35 minutes-- that's very fast.

I hope the SPD isn't silly enough to have an incorrect time stamp.

35 minutes is the buzz. Unless their excuse is that the station video clock was off.

50 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:03:44pm
51 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:04:02pm

35 minutes later, he's still be bleeding!

This is me

Image: 2242418813_5633c78563.jpg

about an hour after I hit my head into a hanging lamp in a Las Vegas hotel. It took forever to stop the blood!

52 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:04:06pm

re: #45 Obdicut

I haven't heard 'people of color' used in a long time.

Really? I see it used, generally as self-identification, all the time.

53 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:04:30pm
54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:04:33pm

re: #49 Gus

Earlier I've seen allegations of 4 hours.

55 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:05:01pm

re: #54 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Earlier I've seen allegations of 4 hours.

Something isn't right here obviously.

56 tajsagay01  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:05:09pm

re: #48 abolitionist

mighty shame it has come to that!

57 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:05:30pm

re: #34 Kragar

Can the reporter call it self defense and get away with it?

I think that's part of the problem. I'm sure local officials and police are getting plenty of death threats. Having strangers hanging around their houses and knocking on their doors must be pretty frightening for them and their families.

58 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:05:36pm

re: #52 Simply Sarah

Yep. And most of my professional associations in US are more than 50% non'white'. Maybe it just doesn't come up that often. But it seems kind of antiquated. Then again, so does any other race descriptor.

59 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:06:19pm

re: #51 ReamWorks

Wow. You're bleeding like Chuck Wepner.

60 erik_t  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:06:26pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I think that's part of the problem. I'm sure local officials and police are getting plenty of death threats.

This seems like a statement made with a curious level of certainty given its gravity.

61 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:06:58pm

re: #58 Obdicut

Yep. And most of my professional associations in US are more than 50% non'white'. Maybe it just doesn't come up that often. But it seems kind of antiquated. Then again, so does any other race descriptor.

Well, I admittedly tend to run in various activist circles and its usage is probably more common there.

62 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:07:00pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I think that's part of the problem. I'm sure local officials and police are getting plenty of death threats. Having strangers hanging around their houses and knocking on their doors must be pretty frightening for them and their families.

///Yes, can nobody shed a tear for the real victims in all of this, the police whose only crime was possibly helping cover up the murder of an innocent teenager?

63 iossarian  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:07:39pm

re: #58 Obdicut

Yep. And most of my professional associations in US are more than 50% non'white'. Maybe it just doesn't come up that often. But it seems kind of antiquated. Then again, so does any other race descriptor.

It's pretty common in higher ed, FWIW. "Students of color".

65 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:08:20pm

INFOGRAPHIC: George Zimmerman’s Story Vs. Surveillance Images

67 iossarian  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:08:34pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I think that's part of the problem. I'm sure local officials and police are getting plenty of death threats. Having strangers hanging around their houses and knocking on their doors must be pretty frightening for them and their families.

Maybe they'd feel safer if they lived in a state with more reasonable laws concerning who you're allowed to shoot, and when.

68 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:09:10pm

re: #67 iossarian

Maybe they'd feel safer if they lived in a state with more reasonable laws concerning who you're allowed to shoot, and when.

ha!

69 blueraven  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:09:41pm

re: #43 Obdicut

Oh really? I'd heard it asserted this was four hours after, which made some cleanup make sense. If it was only 35 minutes-- that's very fast.

I hope the SPD isn't silly enough to have an incorrect time stamp.

I think the 4 hrs later came in as to when the written police report was actually filed.

70 Sionainn  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:10:40pm

re: #64 Gus

Jeez.

White Supremacist Hacks Trayvon Martin’s Email Account, Leaks Messages Online

That's despicable.

71 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:10:57pm

If anyone knows the Sanford PD can't protect the people of Sanford, it would be the Sanford PD.

72 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:12:40pm

re: #42 ReamWorks

I'm reluctant to make this point, but in their own hateful way, the Brietbart people have identified an genuine inconsistency with Liberals and race.

There's an umbrella term of "people of color" that's used to refer to "non-White" people. And this is broadly set to include Latinos, though not all Latinos will agree. An interesting commentary I saw on this was from Herman Badillo who said that Puerto Ricans are in a position to chose their racial categorization, and "white" would help them more. See his book "One Nation, One Standard"

And there is some Left-Wing ridiculousness about this. There was a call to African Americans to encourage Rainbow Grocery, a local food co-op, to stop selling Israeli food. Why? Because, according to them, Palestinians are fellow people-of-color! Nevermind the majority of Israelis are of immediate mid-eastern ancestry. (My paternal grandparents were born in Gaza city, kicked out in 1929. If we were just a different religion, we'd be "people of color!") And never mind the large number of non-Jewish African refugees living in Israel. And never mind the Ethiopian Jews. To many liberals, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about race.

I think some of the right-wingers pointing out left-wing inconsistency have a small point.

However, their larger point is one of hate--that Martin had it coming, that Stand Your Ground is a good idea, so I won't stick my neck out for the Brietbart crowd.

Citation for the bolded component?

Generally I see "Palestinian" used as an ethnic designation, not a race. The line between the two constructs...which are both pretty arbitrary...is hard to define, but the former tends to be a cultural complex, while the latter is viewed (inaccurately) as a hereditary biological trait. They can overlap, and often do.

Making things even more complicated is that there are terms out there, like "African American" that are at once describe ethnicity and race, but also exist as a linguistic expedient for label that can be applied to census rolls and other legal documents.

And generally I see liberals trying to make liasons between subaltern groups--those that have at some time been under the toe of another group--and Palestinians.

Not quite the same thing.

73 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:12:50pm

re: #70 Sionainn

That's despicable.

Some 4chan asshole.

74 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:13:04pm

re: #27 lawhawk

The Sanford PD is probably operating in CYA mode at this point, and the leaks began with the investigator saying that they wanted charges filed, but were overruled from on high (who it was that made the determination not to file was not within the Department). These videos further corroborate the investigator's statements that Zimmerman's statements were inconsistent and otherwise didn't match what was found by police at the scene.

So, if it wasn't the PD that made a mess of this, it leaves the FL state attorneys who are responsible for prosecuting criminal cases.

And that raises all kinds of other issues regarding familial relationships and problems within the justice system in FL besides the whole SGY mess.

Considering this video pretty much puts the entire police report we've seen so far into question, if not outright shreds it, then it begins to look more and more like the fix was in from the word "Go." You got a falsified report, tainted evidence, tampering with witnesses, and lord knows what's lurking in the items not yet released like the coroner's report.

I'm not sure this is about SYG anymore, it looks more like rampant corruption going on within the Sanford PD and possibly the state attorney's office.

75 erik_t  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:13:35pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Trayvon Martin Case: Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee gets death threat, Florida man arrested

One is too many, but this is not a number I would characterize as 'plenty'. Your mileage, of course, strongly varies as usual.

76 blueraven  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:14:07pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Trayvon Martin Case: Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee gets death threat, Florida man arrested

To be quite clear...this is a nut job

John Carnduff Stewart of Melbourne Beach emailed Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee on Friday, saying Lee and his family should be killed.

Melbourne beach is nearly 70 miles south of Sanford.

The sheriff's office says Stewart has sent threatening emails previously, including threats to Penn State University assistant football coach Mike McQueary.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:15:13pm

We have some dinghole.

78 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:15:22pm

re: #64 Gus

Jeez.

White Supremacist Hacks Trayvon Martin’s Email Account, Leaks Messages Online

What a piece of racist shit.

79 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:15:23pm

re: #72 The Ghost of a Flea

Here's one! The website from the group that wants to boycott the local food coop because they carry Israeli couscous.

[Link: rainbowbig.blogspot.com...]

It was in my post.

80 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:15:47pm

re: #77 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

We have some dinghole.

I'm having trouble figuring that one out.

81 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:16:32pm

re: #80 Gus

I'm having trouble figuring that one out.

i miss everything when I'm not running spy. Help me out!

82 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:16:41pm

re: #76 blueraven

Aren't nutjobs those whom we are supposed to be afraid of? I know I am.

83 Sionainn  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:18:33pm

I hate people. I need to step away from this stuff because it's making me depressed and pissed at the same time. BBL.

84 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:18:59pm

re: #51 ReamWorks

35 minutes later, he's still be bleeding!

This is me

Image: 2242418813_5633c78563.jpg

about an hour after I hit my head into a hanging lamp in a Las Vegas hotel. It took forever to stop the blood!

Youtube Video
85 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:19:11pm

re: #80 Gus

I'm having trouble figuring that one out.

Best as I can tell, they seem to not like posts that were critical of Spike Lee's retweet situation.

86 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:19:23pm

re: #81 Millicent Islam

i miss everything when I'm not running spy. Help me out!

Someone seemingly up or down dinging posts with no distinct political average.

87 Shvaughn  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:19:33pm

I mentioned this a few days ago -- a teenager was shot by police in Pasadena.

Turns out that the guy who reported being robbed at gunpoint totally made up the existence of the gun(s) -- the guys who (supposedly) nabbed his backpack from his car were unarmed.

Police received a 9-1-1 call from Carrillo late Saturday in which he described being robbed by two men. Carrillo, who said he was parked beside a taco truck, told the dispatcher he was following the two men; he said one fled west on Orange Grove Boulevard while the other, who Carrillo said had a gun, ran north on Raymond Avenue.

Carrillo later changed his story and told the dispatcher that both men were armed. Sanchez said that misstatement may have cost McDade his life.

Sanchez said a videotape shot near the taco truck shows the 17-year-old reaching into Carrillo's car and allegedly grabbing both a backpack and a laptop computer. Sanchez said McDade acted as a "lookout" during the alleged burglary.

Sanchez declined to release the videotape.

It's unclear which officer shot first. Harper, the McDade family attorney, said Griffin fired a shot at McDade from the police car. Newlen pursued McDade on foot and also fired, Harper said.

She said the officers fired as many as eight shots.

The officers told investigators that McDade reached toward his waistband, leading them to believe he was reaching for a weapon.

After McDade was shot, police officers drove Carrillo by the location where they had the 17-year-old alleged accomplice detained. Carrillo identified him, Sanchez said.

Carrillo was never taken to the scene where McDade lay dead, Sanchez said.

Police are now certain that neither McDade nor his suspected accomplice was armed, Sanchez said.

Oscar Carrillo, the 911 caller who said Kendrec McDade waved a gun in his face, has been arrested for manslaughter.

88 funky chicken  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:19:36pm

re: #25 RadicalModerate

House Republicans once again prove their absolute commitment to individual privacy rights.

Oh wait.

Employee Social Password Privacy Measure Fails in the House

I don't use those networks, but I'm still confused why an employer/potential employer would require your password. Couldn't they just ask you to "friend" them or whatever?

89 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:21:10pm

re: #88 funky chicken

I don't use those networks, but I'm still confused why an employer/potential employer would require your password. Couldn't they just ask you to "friend" them or whatever?

And are these companies really not going to hire you if you say "I don't use facebook" or don't realize that people will just create dummy facebook accounts that they never do anything with? Will they fire you if they don't see you updating your facebook account often enough?

90 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:21:30pm

Damn you know. What they're doing to Trayvon's reputation is repulsive. They're writing him up like freaking public enemy number 1. Like he was some kind of serial killer or mass murderer that wasn't worthy of living anyway. They're trying to justify his death by creating fictional accounts of who he was based on a couple of stupid email or Tweets. It's disgusting.

91 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:22:08pm

re: #88 funky chicken

Considering all the questions you're not allowed to ask when interviewing people, (e.g., marital status), any employer who asks for the Facebook password is walking into a legal minefield.

92 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:22:26pm

re: #88 funky chicken

I don't use those networks, but I'm still confused why an employer/potential employer would require your password. Couldn't they just ask you to "friend" them or whatever?

I have had a whole bunch of job interviews in the past 6 weeks, and not one has even asked if I am on Facebook, let alone my password to Facebook. At my previous job, no one asked for my FB password but they did ask me to "friend" and "like" various work-related products.

93 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:22:51pm

He was drug dealer! OMG! What? He sold pot? Seriously? Like that's a reason enough to say "fuck him who cares"? By a bunch of right wing assholes on line who themselves smoke weed? Selling pot at 17? Do people honestly think that's uncommon? Well, it's not.

94 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:23:17pm

re: #90 Gus

Damn you know. What they're doing to Trayvon's reputation is repulsive. They're writing him up like freaking public enemy number 1. Like he was some kind of serial killer or mass murderer that wasn't worthy of living anyway. They're trying to justify his death by creating fictional accounts of who he was based on a couple of stupid email or Tweets. It's disgusting.

Par for the course. It's a given in cases involving minorities. And any cases where a woman accuses a guy of rape or sexual harassment or the like. Attacking the victim is a time honoured practice.

95 blueraven  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:23:29pm

re: #82 EdDantes

Aren't nutjobs those whom we are supposed to be afraid of? I know I am.

My point is, this guy has done this before, to other people. Yes we should be afraid of the crazy people. But he was going to do this anyway.

96 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:23:44pm

re: #78 talon_262

What a piece of racist shit.

The hacker, who goes by the name Klanklannon, posted what he said were Martin's private Facebook messages to the politics section (NSFW) of the anarchic message board 4chan—called "/pol/"—Tuesday afternoon at around noon. The messages were posted on four slides, strategically arranged to back up the insane racist argument that Trayvon was a Scary Black Teenager and so somehow deserved to be killed by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman that night.

[...]

On 4chan, Klanklannon made clear their intention to smear Trayvon. Klanklannon introduces the post with, "Today /pol/, tomorrow CNN." One 4chan user told us Klanklannon had been attempting to break into Martin's accounts for days, posting periodic updates to the board.

"Where did all the liberals go?," Klanklannon taunted after posting his slides. "Did they run off because they can't handle the facts?"

Anyone who's been to the /pol/ imageboard knows that the place is an absolute cesspool of white supremacists and trolls who feed their insanity.
Example: They've posted the linked Gawker story, and are wearing it as a badge of honor.

97 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:23:48pm

re: #90 Gus

Damn you know. What they're doing to Trayvon's reputation is repulsive. They're writing him up like freaking public enemy number 1. Like he was some kind of serial killer or mass murderer that wasn't worthy of living anyway. They're trying to justify his death by creating fictional accounts of who he was based on a couple of stupid email or Tweets. It's disgusting.

"Life unworthy of life"-- it's the wingnut way.

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:24:42pm

re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea

It's got to be frustrating as a policeman to watch what your colleagues can get away with, yet be constrained from speaking against them by the "keep it in-house" culture.

Or to have no one to speak to who will listen. Would-be whistleblowers don't necessarily have access, or get taken seriously.

99 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:25:11pm

re: #97 Millicent Islam

"Life unworthy of life"-- it's the wingnut way.

Dehumanizing people is the quickest route to absolving oneself of feelings of guilt. "This person who died wasn't 'human' this person was ______ and he/she deserved to die in the end."

100 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:25:12pm

Martin's background has zero impact on the night of his murder. Zimmerman had no way of knowing anything about the kid before seeing him walking down the street and deciding he was going to do something about it.

101 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:25:42pm

re: #97 Millicent Islam

"Life unworthy of life"-- it's the wingnut way.

I bet the guy is ant-abortion too.

102 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:26:10pm

re: #79 ReamWorks

Here's one! The website from the group that wants to boycott the local food coop because they carry Israeli couscous.

[Link: rainbowbig.blogspot.com...]

It was in my post.

Well...it's one. Extrapolating from that to "most liberals" is what I'm questioning.

103 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:26:57pm

Self-appointed policemen shouldn't be shooting people. This issue's really that simple. It has nothing to do with the character of Trayvon Martin.

104 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:27:38pm

re: #95 blueraven

I understand your argument. But we discount those people at our own risk.

105 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:28:06pm

re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea

You are a liar. I said "many liberals". I didn't say "most liberals." By being a liar, you are no better than the 4chan/pol people.

106 blueraven  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:28:22pm

re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea

Well...it's one. Extrapolating from that to "most liberals" is what I'm questioning.

This group and its silly boycott was mocked on the daily show, which I think most people would classify as liberal.

107 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:29:14pm

re: #88 funky chicken

I don't use those networks, but I'm still confused why an employer/potential employer would require your password. Couldn't they just ask you to "friend" them or whatever?

Facebook has created a succession of designations so that you can filter who among your "friends" sees what.

Demanding a password basically means the company wants to see everything about you.

108 Shvaughn  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:29:16pm

re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea

Well...it's one. Extrapolating from that to "most liberals" is what I'm questioning.

ReamWorks has a lot of extrapolation problems. Like when he tried to claim the "black blogosphere" was going crazy with rumors that Zimmerman was a racist Jew, and for his "proof" he pointed not to any black bloggers but a general forum full of what seemed to be a bunch of racist (white) conservatives.

109 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:30:06pm

re: #100 Kragar

Martin's background has zero impact on the night of his murder. Zimmerman had no way of knowing anything about the kid before seeing him walking down the street and deciding he was going to do something about it.

They've been looking for "facts" that they can incorporate into their version of how things "really went down." I've been treated to various renditions of the same scenario, namely that Trayvon's a gang member who was casing houses when Zimmerman spotted him. When Zimmerman confronted him, Trayvon decided that beating up a "white guy" would earn him serious cred and decided to attack (though sometimes this gets exchanged with GZ telling TM that the cops are coming, causing TM to panic and lash out).

It's basically the continuing effort to turn Trayvon from innocent teen walking back from the convenience store into a gang thug who Zimmerman was doing everybody a favor by shooting.

110 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:30:40pm

re: #105 ReamWorks

You are a liar. I said "many liberals". I didn't say "most liberals." By being a liar, you are no better than the 4chan/pol people.

Ack my bad. Not a liar, someone who didn't check back to the original post and flipped two four letter words.

Seriously...not trying to start anything, and it was a slip with no malice or intent behind it.

111 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:31:38pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

It's basically the continuing effort to turn Trayvon from innocent teen walking back from the convenience store into a gang thug who Zimmerman was doing everybody a favor by shooting.

These are people to whom the only good negro seems to be a dead negro. They are just looking for arguments to support their point of view.

Fucking goons...

112 blueraven  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:31:47pm

re: #104 EdDantes

I understand your argument. But we discount those people at our own risk.

We should not discount them at all. However, having reporters ask vigorous questions of Sanford city workers did not cause numerous threats as was suggested.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:32:00pm

re: #42 ReamWorks

I'm reluctant to make this point, but in their own hateful way, the Brietbart people have identified an genuine inconsistency with Liberals and race.

There's an umbrella term of "people of color" that's used to refer to "non-White" people. And this is broadly set to include Latinos, though not all Latinos will agree. An interesting commentary I saw on this was from Herman Badillo who said that Puerto Ricans are in a position to chose their racial categorization, and "white" would help them more. See his book "One Nation, One Standard"

And there is some Left-Wing ridiculousness about this. There was a call to African Americans to encourage Rainbow Grocery, a local food co-op, to stop selling Israeli food. Why? Because, according to them, Palestinians are fellow people-of-color! Nevermind the majority of Israelis are of immediate mid-eastern ancestry. (My paternal grandparents were born in Gaza city, kicked out in 1929. If we were just a different religion, we'd be "people of color!") And never mind the large number of non-Jewish African refugees living in Israel. And never mind the Ethiopian Jews. To many liberals, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about race.

I think some of the right-wingers pointing out left-wing inconsistency have a small point.

However, their larger point is one of hate--that Martin had it coming, that Stand Your Ground is a good idea, so I won't stick my neck out for the Brietbart crowd.

Both right and left, (along with the center, because this is America) have weirdnesses about race. I could write a book (and have considered it), on the way race is used in the I/P conflict, and boy, you said a mouthful there.

And frankly, if Zimmerman were, say, being appointed by Obama to run a White House program, or something nice, I think that we would be seeing some positions reversed on how white he is. And his family stated that he was Latino, so I am happy to assume that's how he wishes to identify, and in this matter, I won't examine his actions or object.

But that's a really, really marginal matter to this case. The race that's frankly important to the wingnuts about this one, and was important in how it went down, is Trayvon's.

People acting like psychotic racists over the murder of a teenager: high priority.

America has its collective and entire head up its butt about race: ongoing priority, but if you fume about it constantly you'll get ulcers.

114 Mattand  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:32:20pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Trayvon Martin Case: Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee gets death threat, Florida man arrested

Are you the Magical Balance Fairy's payroll? As someone stated above, one threat is one too many. But goddamn, you sure are determined to deflect as much focus as humanly possible from the actual murder in this case.

115 Shvaughn  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:32:20pm

re: #111 Expand Your Ground

re: #109 Targetpractice

These are people to whom the only good negro seems to be a dead negro. They are just looking for arguments to support their point of view.

Fucking goons...

I see what you did there.

116 shutdown  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:32:23pm

I don't have time to review the entire thread, but something does jump out at me from the video. If there had been any blood at all on Zimmerman, even from Martin, wouldn't the officers be wearing gloves to avoid contamination? Nonetheless, in the vehicle bay the officer who drove the police car seems to be inspecting the back of Zimmerman's head, even though there are no visible injuries.

117 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:32:26pm

re: #105 ReamWorks

You are a liar. I said "many liberals". I didn't say "most liberals." By being a liar, you are no better than the 4chan/pol people.

Does one group qualify as "Many liberals" now?

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:32:51pm

re: #45 Obdicut

I haven't heard 'people of color' used in a long time.

Really? It's still de rigeur in a lot of circles.

119 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:33:00pm

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Spike Lee settles with family he marked for murder. (It must have been a very large check!)

120 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:33:12pm

re: #115 Shvaughn

I see what you did there.

That line does not require any enhancement to be undertood clearly...

121 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:33:30pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

Really? It's still de rigeur in a lot of circles.

I think there's some self-selection going on between me and those circles.

122 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:33:38pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

Facebook has created a succession of designations so that you can filter who among your "friends" sees what.

Demanding a password basically means the company wants to see everything about you.

My standard answer would be that the profile contains information that they are by law prohibited from requesting, like my age and religious affiliation.

123 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:34:07pm

re: #116 Phlebas

I don't have time to review the entire thread, but something does jump out at me from the video. If there had been any blood at all on Zimmerman, even from Martin, wouldn't the officers be wearing gloves to avoid contamination? Nonetheless, in the vehicle bay the officer who drove the police car seems to be inspecting the back of Zimmerman's head, even though there are no visible injuries.

Not only wearing gloves to avoid touching contaminated bodily fluids, but also to avoid contaminating any evidence he might find in the jacket itself. Funny how they didn't do that search at the scene of the crime.

124 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:34:52pm

re: #106 blueraven

This group and its silly boycott was mocked on the daily show, which I think most people would classify as liberal.

That group...and anyone that tries to frame Israel/Palestine as simply "racist" is dumb or cynically appropriating the language of racial struggle.

It's a kind of disrespect for the gravity of the situation to just slap a label on it and not look at what's happening in depth.

125 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:34:58pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

Not only wearing gloves to avoid touching contaminated bodily fluids, but also to avoid contaminating any evidence he might find in the jacket itself. Funny how they didn't do that search at the scene of the crime.

BTW. Zimmerman's clothing should have been bagged and taken in as evidence.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:35:04pm

re: #46 jamesfirecat


"To many liberals, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about race."

*Citation Needed!*

You do not have to cite sources for facts that are not the result of unique individual research. Facts that are readily available from numerous sources and generally known to the public are considered "common knowledge," and are not protected by copyright laws. You can use these facts liberally in your paper without citing authors.

The argument we could get into here is about who's a 'liberal' and who's not. Pointless argument.

127 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:35:17pm

re: #116 Phlebas

I don't have time to review the entire thread, but something does jump out at me from the video. If there had been any blood at all on Zimmerman, even from Martin, wouldn't the officers be wearing gloves to avoid contamination? Nonetheless, in the vehicle bay the officer who drove the police car seems to be inspecting the back of Zimmerman's head, even though there are no visible injuries.

He's just checking his own reflection in the sheen...

128 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:35:39pm

re: #125 Gus

BTW. Zimmerman's clothing should have been bagged and taken in as evidence.

Especially if they had blood or other stains on them.

129 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:35:45pm

All I see in the video is them walking around the station aimlessly for the most part. Rather odd.

130 Shvaughn  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:35:49pm

re: #114 mattand

Are you the Magical Balance Fairy's payroll? As someone stated above, one threat is one too many. But goddamn, you sure are determined to deflect as much focus as humanly possible from the actual murder in this case.

Just wait and see if John Carnduff Stewart has any ties to the Occupy movement!

131 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:35:53pm

re: #29 jaunte

Sanford police threaten to arrest reporters for asking questions

*Only if you're a reporter.

Constitution says there should be no law against this. They are traitors to the constitution (That is not just hyperbole, it is fucking fact). No law can be made or brought against the press for doing their job.


US Constitution Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:36:21pm

re: #63 iossarian

It's pretty common in higher ed, FWIW. "Students of color".

Useful shorthand, sometimes.

133 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:36:24pm

re: #125 Gus

BTW. Zimmerman's clothing should have been bagged and taken in as evidence.

That's what the police report "leaked" on Tuesday supposedly stated, that his clothing and his gun were bagged and tagged. Again, something you'd expect done at the scene of the crime, rather than at the station, after he's ridden in the back of a squad car and leaned against a wall.

134 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:36:37pm

re: #124 The Ghost of a Flea

BTW: The Daily Show mocked another situation. One in New York. You see it is "many liberals."

I was talking about something that happened here in San Francisco a couple of years ago.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:36:47pm

re: #64 Gus

Jeez.

White Supremacist Hacks Trayvon Martin’s Email Account, Leaks Messages Online

Stay classy, white supremacists.

136 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:37:01pm

re: #131 RayFerd

You can't be a traitor to the Constitution. That doesn't make any sense. The legal definition of traitor is a real one, and it carries the penalty of death, so throwing it around lightly is silly.

137 shutdown  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:37:06pm

re: #125 Gus

BTW. Zimmerman's clothing should have been bagged and taken in as evidence.

I can't really comment on proper police procedure. Only that as a public health precaution, gloves would almost certainly have been worn by any officer coming into contact with a detainee with any visible injuries or blood.

138 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:37:12pm

re: #129 Gus

All I see in the video is them walking around the station aimlessly for the most part. Rather odd.

And right past the fingerprinting station, rather odd if they were still considering him the suspect in a manslaughter/negligent homicide case at the time.

139 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:37:21pm

re: #125 Gus

BTW. Zimmerman's clothing should have been bagged and taken in as evidence.

Apparently it was.

140 Shvaughn  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:37:42pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Trayvon Martin Case: Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee gets death threat, Florida man arrested

I don't have an opinion on this yet, I'm waiting for all the facts to be in.

//

141 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:37:49pm

re: #124 The Ghost of a Flea

That group...and anyone that tries to frame Israel/Palestine as simply "racist" is dumb or cynically appropriating the language of racial struggle.

It's a kind of disrespect for the gravity of the situation to just slap a label on it and not look at what's happening in depth.

I take you are unaware of the word "Apartheid" being bandied about.

142 funky chicken  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:37:50pm

re: #95 blueraven

My point is, this guy has done this before, to other people. Yes we should be afraid of the crazy people. But he was going to do this anyway.

Sounds a lot like George Zimmerman.

143 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:37:52pm

re: #96 RadicalModerate

And guess who just showed up in the /pol/ thread about the Gawker story?

Image: pol-Capture.JPG

144 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:38:12pm

re: #116 Phlebas

Anyone who has had a broken nose would likely attest to the fact that there's usually quite a bit of blood - and some of it would make it onto their clothes. None appears to have done so - see around 4:10 of the video above. Not conclusive, but definitely interesting.

145 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:38:15pm

re: #131 RayFerd

I don't disagree with you. They probably can't arrest reporters for hanging around city employee's homes. Just pointing out why it might be frightening to their families.

146 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:38:42pm

re: #134 ReamWorks

BTW: The Daily Show mocked another situation. One in New York. You see it is "many liberals."

I was talking about something that happened here in San Francisco a couple of years ago.

Given the fact that the Daily Show mocked the hell out of such actions would you be willing to accept that many liberals see framing the Israel and Palestine conflict along those lines as completely wrongheaded?

147 Shvaughn  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:39:12pm

re: #134 ReamWorks

BTW: The Daily Show mocked another situation. One in New York. You see it is "many liberals."

I was talking about something that happened here in San Francisco a couple of years ago.

If you have to go back a couple years to condemn "many liberals" then maybe it's not as "many" as you're making out.

Sort of like how you claimed many people in the "black blogosphere" were making anti-Semitic comments about Zimmerman.

148 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:39:36pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

Apparently it was.

We'll find out. Seem to be a lot of loose ends here. At this point I would say that the Sanford PD is a bit clumsy. If I'm being kind. I say this after watching the Boulder PD botch up the Jonbenet Ramsey murder.

149 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:39:57pm

re: #129 Gus

The video apparently cobbles together the intake process - from arrival at the station (multiple views) to going down several corridors (again several views of the same transit).

Many of the views are seeing a hallway (or garage) from both the inbound and outbound views

150 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:40:37pm

re: #144 lawhawk

Anyone who has had a broken nose would likely attest to the fact that there's usually quite a bit of blood - and some of it would make it onto their clothes. None appears to have done so - see around 4:10 of the video above. Not conclusive, but definitely interesting.

There's nothing visible on his clothing that matches the version of events given in the police report. No blood stains, no grass stains, nothing. I saw it suggested elsewhere that blood from a head wound might have been washed by the rain onto the back of his shirt, but that wouldn't explain the lack of blood on the front of his shirt. Hell, he doesn't even look particularly wet.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:41:03pm

re: #124 The Ghost of a Flea

That group...and anyone that tries to frame Israel/Palestine as simply "racist" is dumb or cynically appropriating the language of racial struggle.

It's a kind of disrespect for the gravity of the situation to just slap a label on it and not look at what's happening in depth.

This is true, however, framing I/P as a conflict between white colonialist invaders and the indigenous brown people of the region is, in fact, a very, very, common tactic among anti-Israel groups, and it's common because it is very effective. People don't like white colonialist invaders very much, and because it is a familiar narrative, it is easy to impose over the not-very-well-known-or-understood history of the Middle East.

152 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:41:12pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I think that's part of the problem. I'm sure local officials and police are getting plenty of death threats. Having strangers hanging around their houses and knocking on their doors must be pretty frightening for them and their families.

Having to explain why they did or didn't do what they did must be even more frightening.

153 funky chicken  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:41:33pm

re: #129 Gus

All I see in the video is them walking around the station aimlessly for the most part. Rather odd.

Waiting for daddy's powerful friends to tell them what to do this time...

154 shutdown  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:42:07pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

There's nothing visible on his clothing that matches the version of events given in the police report. No blood stains, no grass stains, nothing. I saw it suggested elsewhere that blood from a head wound might have been washed by the rain onto the back of his shirt, but that wouldn't explain the lack of blood on the front of his shirt. Hell, he doesn't even look particularly wet.

Is it known that the clothes/jacket he is seen wearing during transport and intake are the ones worn at the scene during the shooting?

155 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:42:22pm

Ha! Some levity.

The 2012 TIME 100 Poll

Guess who won! Or is winning...

156 shutdown  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:42:26pm

I have a pickup to make. bbl

157 erik_t  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:43:10pm

OT: For someone who keeps claiming the GOP primary is over, Romney sure seems to keep playing to the fringes of the base.

"As you know the fight against big labor led by Gov. Walker isn't over, here in Wisconsin," a voice says in an automated Romney telephone call. "I was shocked to find out that Rick Santorum repeatedly supported big labor and joined with liberal Democrats in voting against right-to-work legislation during his time in Washington."

Tying yourself to a hard-right politician in the middle of a recall: perhaps not the best way to put a left-leaning state in play in November.

158 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:43:20pm

re: #154 Phlebas

Is it known that the clothes/jacket he is seen wearing during transport and intake are the ones worn at the scene during the shooting?

Witnesses who've been quoted stated they saw a guy in a red jacket and/or gray shirt, which he's wearing in the video.

159 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:43:34pm

re: #153 funky chicken

Waiting for daddy's powerful friends to tell them what to do this time...

That's what I was thinking. No doubt he pulled a lot of strings to get his son out.

160 funky chicken  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:43:36pm

re: #154 Phlebas

Is it known that the clothes/jacket he is seen wearing during transport and intake are the ones worn at the scene during the shooting?

Do people involved in shootings get to change clothes before they go to the police station?

161 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:44:12pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

This is true, however, framing I/P as a conflict between white colonialist invaders and the indigenous brown people of the region is, in fact, a very, very, common tactic among anti-Israel groups, and it's common because it is very effective. People don't like white colonialist invaders very much, and because it is a familiar narrative, it is easy to impose over the not-very-well-known-or-understood history of the Middle East.

I'd like to apologize if my prior comments came across as harsh SFZ but all I can say is that I have not heard this argument before, though I don't spend much time thinking/reading about Israel on the whole.

162 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:44:27pm

re: #160 funky chicken

Do people involved in shootings get to change clothes before they go to the police station?

"You have the right to remain stylish!"

163 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:44:32pm

re: #97 Millicent Islam

"Life unworthy of life"-- it's the wingnut way.

Unless it's in someone's uterus, then they'll move heaven and earth to "protect" it at all costs, even if its a detriment to the woman carrying it.

164 leftynyc  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:44:55pm

re: #119 ReamWorks

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Spike Lee settles with family he marked for murder. (It must have been a very large check!)

He at least owed them the reimbursement for their hotel bills. What he did was ridiculously stupid.

165 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:46:41pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

You do not have to cite sources for facts that are not the result of unique individual research. Facts that are readily available from numerous sources and generally known to the public are considered "common knowledge," and are not protected by copyright laws. You can use these facts liberally in your paper without citing authors.

The argument we could get into here is about who's a 'liberal' and who's not. Pointless argument.

But this is the issue:

Facts that are readily available from numerous sources and generally known to the public are considered "common knowledge," and are not protected by copyright laws.

There's a prior disagreement about what constitutes Facts.

166 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:46:48pm

re: #162 Expand Your Ground

"You have the right to remain stylish!"

Yeah, his clothes look in pretty good shape for a guy who was fighting for his life. I've seen spectators to fights who were in worse shape afterward than he looks in the video.

167 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:46:57pm

re: #164 leftynyc

He at least owed them the reimbursement for their hotel bills. What he did was ridiculously stupid.

an asshole thing to do but at least he owned up to it and tried to make amends. true assholes just double down.

168 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:47:34pm

The primary reason, IMHO, why this has become such a contentious national issue is that over one month later, we still can't have straight answers to such basic questions.

What am I missing? Is evidence of this sort considered confidential?

169 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:49:21pm

re: #163 talon_262

Unless it's in someone's uterus, then they'll move heaven and earth to "protect" it at all costs, even if its a detriment to the woman carrying it.

Yeah, the GOP is really relying on the fetus vote. /

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:49:35pm

re: #161 jamesfirecat

I'd like to apologize if my prior comments came across as harsh SFZ but all I can say is that I have not heard this argument before, though I don't spend much time thinking/reading about Israel on the whole.

No problem. This is something you can, actually, manage not to spend much time thinking about if Israel is not one of your 'things'.

Reuven is not pulling this out of thin air. It's one of the basic toolboxes of anti-Israel (as oppposed to pro-Palestinian) activism, and it's very effectively pushed by some very nasty people.

Goes hand in hand with the "Khazar" bullshit, and (ironically enough) effectively denies the existence, history and relevence of any Jews who are not white Ashkenazim.

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:50:32pm

re: #165 Millicent Islam

But this is the issue:

There's a prior disagreement about what constitutes Facts.

Always.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:51:06pm

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

effectively denies the existence, history and relevence of any Jews who are not white Ashkenazim.

Ie, a HELL of a lot of Jews.

173 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:51:32pm

re: #168 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

The primary reason, IMHO, why this has become such a contentious national issue is that over one month later, we still can't have straight answers to such basic questions.

What am I missing? Is evidence of this sort considered confidential?

I'm not sure what they claimed prior to the naming a special investigator whose job it was to impanel a grand jury, but now they're using that as an excuse to claim that the law bars them from releasing anything that might prejudice that grand jury's decision or a jury's decision if Zimmerman should be charged.

174 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:52:31pm

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

No problem. This is something you can, actually, manage not to spend much time thinking about if Israel is not one of your 'things'.

Reuven is not pulling this out of thin air. It's one of the basic toolboxes of anti-Israel (as oppposed to pro-Palestinian) activism, and it's very effectively pushed by some very nasty people.

Goes hand in hand with the "Khazar" bullshit, and (ironically enough) effectively denies the existence, history and relevence of any Jews who are not white Ashkenazim.

My reaction to Reuven was a result of misreading "many liberals" as "most liberals"--hence my apology. I don't doubt that there's lot of cynical use of the language of oppression by anti-Israel folks.

175 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:52:44pm

re: #169 Millicent Islam

Yeah, the GOP is really relying on the fetus vote. /

They can't vote. In any case, how would they make up their yokes, not being able to read and all.

176 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:54:13pm

re: #175 EdDantes

Insert sarc tag

177 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:54:28pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

Ie, a HELL of a lot of Jews.

You might want to consider an alternative unit of measure. /

178 leftynyc  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:55:12pm

re: #167 Expand Your Ground

an asshole thing to do but at least he owned up to it and tried to make amends. true assholes just double down.

Absolutely - and I'm no fan of Mr. Lee. I worked with Annabella Sciorra's mother lots of years ago (she was the female lead in Jungle Fever) and she had tales to tell.

179 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 1:59:13pm

re: #136 Obdicut

You can't be a traitor to the Constitution. That doesn't make any sense. The legal definition of traitor is a real one, and it carries the penalty of death, so throwing it around lightly is silly.

"Fucking scum sucking pigs going against the values and foundation this country was founded on" was too much to type at the time.

180 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:03:12pm

re: #179 RayFerd

"Fucking scum sucking pigs going against the values and foundation this country was founded on" was too much to type at the time.

It's still hyperbole. Reporters can break stalking laws and otherwise unjustly harass people. The freedom of press isn't carte blanche to ignore other laws, nor is the freedom of press absolute.

181 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:03:45pm

Santorum: ‘Friends Don’t Let Friends Use Pink Balls’

182 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:06:06pm

re: #178 leftynyc

Absolutely - and I'm no fan of Mr. Lee. I worked with Annabella Sciorra's mother lots of years ago (she was the female lead in Jungle Fever) and she had tales to tell.

Now that sounds interesting!

183 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:06:31pm

re: #181 Kragar

Santorum: ‘Friends Don’t Let Friends Use Pink Balls’

...

Of course. Because everyone knows that boy who use pink bowling balls are really queer and if they get beaten to death by a gang of right Christian men the only person to blame would be that little boy who should have learned better.

184 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:07:38pm

re: #183 Gus

...

And gay blacks wear pink hoodies at their own peril!

185 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:08:29pm

re: #184 Expand Your Ground

And gay blacks wear pink hoodies at their own peril!

Oh, we'd kick their ass!

186 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:09:17pm

Secret Video: Newt Gingrich’s Creepy Wife Grooming Him Like a Circus Walrus

As John Edwards learned the hard way, the camera is always on. It was certainly on in the bowels of Fox News' dark tower last November as failed presidential candidate Newt Gingrich's icy wife-bot Callista prepared him for an interview with Bill O'Reilly. She brushed him like a horse, sprayed him like Cher, and locked down his hair with dead-eyed precision.

187 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:09:38pm


The Towson University chapter of the conservative student group Youth for Western Civilization (YWC) has lost its campus privileges after some of its members chalked “White Pride” at several locations on the school’s Baltimore campus two weeks ago.

White nationalists/supremacists are popping like mushrooms.

It's hard to watch the filtration system by which ideas by out-and-out bigots are echoed by successively more mainstream...and influential...figures.

188 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:10:46pm

re: #181 Kragar

Santorum: ‘Friends Don’t Let Friends Use Pink Balls’

Lol.
Who gives a shit what the color of the bowling ball is???
Oh, right...

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:11:21pm

re: #181 Kragar

Santorum: ‘Friends Don’t Let Friends Use Pink Balls’

It's good to know that Rick has priorities.

190 jaunte  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:11:43pm

re: #181 Kragar

Santorum: ‘Friends Don’t Let Friends Use Pink Balls’

Santorum: "Color is the key element in how one is perceived."

191 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:12:01pm

re: #188 Varek Raith

Lol.
Who gives a shit what the color of the bowling ball is???
Oh, right...

People who continuously stuggle not to have anal sex with other men.

192 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:13:08pm

re: #191 The Ghost of a Flea

People who continuously stuggle not to have anal sex with other men.

Santorum is generally associated with brown balls, of course...

193 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:14:31pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

It's good to know that Rick has priorities.

Rick must have a lot of experience picking the right color of balls to play with.

194 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:14:35pm

If I ever go bowling, I'll make it a point to get a pink bowling ball.
Thanks Rick!

195 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:14:44pm

re: #192 Expand Your Ground

Santorum is generally associated with brown balls, of course...

And AC/DC will never let him near their big balls.

Youtube Video
196 AK-47%  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:14:59pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

If I ever go bowling, I'll make it a point to get a pink bowling ball.
Thanks Rick!

and matching shoes, bag and lipstick...

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:15:02pm

re: #195 The Ghost of a Flea

And AC/DC will never let him near their big balls.

[Embedded content]

My husband loves that song.

198 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:15:17pm

re: #188 Varek Raith

Lol.
Who gives a shit what the color of the bowling ball is???
Oh, right...

...

Sez so in the Bible you Communist. Pink is the color for girls and blue is the color for boys -- so sayeth the Lord. It is His word!

199 EdDantes  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:15:29pm

re: #192 Expand Your Ground

Santorum is generally associated with brown balls, of course...

Get off Santorum or I'm going to link to that photo of him sunbathing! Ya, wild kid, ya!

200 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:15:45pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

Before the 30s, pink was the masculine color.

It was the baby version of 'red'.

201 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:16:05pm

re: #191 The Ghost of a Flea

People who continuously stuggle not to have anal sex with other men.

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

202 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:16:58pm

re: #201 Millicent Islam

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

The Onion is always good, but that has got to be my favorite article ever.

203 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:17:17pm

re: #200 Obdicut

Before the 30s, pink was the masculine color.

It was the baby version of 'red'.

Did not know that.
I prefer dark colors. Even green is too bright.

204 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:18:02pm

re: #201 Millicent Islam

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

Probably my second favorite Onion article after "Area man kicks woman out of bed for eating crackers."

205 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:18:04pm

Only camo for my boy's bowling balls.

206 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:18:12pm

re: #201 Millicent Islam

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

Youtube Video
207 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:18:40pm

re: #200 Obdicut

Before the 30s, pink was the masculine color.

It was the baby version of 'red'.

Blue was delicate and feminine.

Someone here suggested that the switch might have come about because of the popularity of sailor suits for little boys, but I see Victorian boys in sailor suits all the time--white ones.

208 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:19:09pm

re: #205 Gus

If it's not on a vehicle or person of war, camo looks terrible.

209 erik_t  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:20:51pm

This Romney endorsement language is utterly magical.

Sen. Rubio (FL):

"There are a lot of other people out there that some of us wish had run for president -- but they didn't," Rubio told Townhall.com in an interview. "I think Mitt Romney would be a fine president, and he'd be way better than the guy who's there right now."

Jeb Bush:

I am endorsing Mitt Romney for our Party's nomination.

Sen. Lee (UT):

"I think the time has come for Republicans to get behind the nominee," Lee said Monday. "Mitt Romney is our nominee."

Feel the Mittmentum!

210 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:20:54pm

I want to shoot this poor car. It must be suffering terribly.
Image: camo-continental.jpg

211 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:21:02pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

If it's not on a vehicle or person of war, camo looks terrible.

Camo pants, wife beater shirt, mullet and Rebel flag baseball cap.

212 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:22:18pm

WHO DOES THAT TO A BENTLEY?!?!

213 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:22:33pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

If it's not on a vehicle or person of war, camo looks terrible.

A CHALLENGER APPEARS!!! nsfw

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:22:40pm

Speaking of the Onion, they weigh in on the latest development on Zimmerman:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

215 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:22:55pm

re: #213 Kragar

A CHALLENGER APPEARS!!! nsfw

...I'll be in my bunk.

/

216 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:23:20pm

re: #206 Kragar

Is that Kids in the Hall? Brilliant!

217 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:23:31pm

re: #213 Kragar

A CHALLENGER APPEARS!!! nsfw

I don't see any camo...
All I see are...
OH! Now I see it.

218 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:24:39pm

re: #209 erik_t

This Romney endorsement language is utterly magical.

Sen. Rubio (FL):

Jeb Bush:

Sen. Lee (UT):

Feel the Mittmentum!

They certainly sound enthusiastic about it, don't they? You can almost ignore the sound of money being counted.

219 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:25:29pm

U.S. moving minesweepers to waters near Iran

Spider senses are going haywire.

220 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:25:46pm

re: #219 Varek Raith

U.S. moving minesweepers to waters near Iran

Spider senses are going haywire.

Any ship can be a minesweeper...once.

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:26:00pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

Blue was delicate and feminine.

Someone here suggested that the switch might have come about because of the popularity of sailor suits for little boys, but I see Victorian boys in sailor suits all the time--white ones.

Blue is the all purpose color *_* quiet, Squeaky

222 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:26:07pm

re: #219 Varek Raith

U.S. moving minesweepers to waters near Iran

Spider senses are going haywire.

Wait.
We name a mine sweeper Devastator?!?!
FAIL.
XD

223 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:26:21pm

re: #213 Kragar

A CHALLENGER APPEARS!!! nsfw

Yeah, but that's sort of like any sufficiently advanced technology looking like magic...but with hotness and making clothing look good.

224 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:27:01pm

re: #198 Gus

...

Don't tell that to the Victorians who liked to dress their boys in Manly pink to get them ready to wear their Red Coats across the Empire.

225 Kragar  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:27:16pm

Paul Ryan: The Generals Are Lying About Their Support For Obama’s Pentagon Budget

Today at a “policy summit” hosted by the National Journal, managing editor Kristin Roberts asked the GOP’s budget guy Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) why the Republicans went “against the advice of the generals.” Ryan’s response? They were lying:

ROBERTS: Why did the committee choose to go against the advice of the generals?

RYAN: We don’t think the generals are giving us their true advice. We don’t think the generals believe that their budget is really the right budget. I believe that the president’s budget by virtue of the fact that when he released his budget number of about $500 billion, the number was announced at the same time they announced the beginning of their strategy review of the Pentagon’s budget. So what we get from the Pentagon is more of a budget driven strategy, not a strategy driven budget.

WTF?

226 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:28:10pm

re: #225 Kragar

Paul Ryan: The Generals Are Lying About Their Support For Obama’s Pentagon Budget

WTF?

THE SOVIET UNION!!!

227 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:28:13pm

I assume that y'all have seen this famous Santorum photo?

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

228 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:28:33pm

re: #225 Kragar

Paul Ryan: The Generals Are Lying About Their Support For Obama’s Pentagon Budget

WTF?

The GOP supports the military contractors!

229 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:29:16pm

re: #228 The Ghost of a Flea

The GOP supports the military contractors!

I dunno, I think it needs another engine....

230 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:29:20pm

re: #212 Varek Raith

WHO DOES THAT TO A BENTLEY?!?!

by bentley do you mean Volkswagen? :D

231 Lidane  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:29:24pm

For a guy that had just been in an epic fight to the death 35 minutes earlier, including getting his nose broken and his head slammed into the concrete and everything, George Zimmerman looks very healthy.

It's obvious now. George Zimmerman is Wolverine. That's the only explanation that makes any damn sense.

232 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:29:36pm

OT, but to the shock of absolutely nobody:

House approves Paul Ryan budget plan

So yeah, no budget this year, again. But hey, it's good to know that the GOP are making it clear that deals made with them in good faith are...well...absolutely worthless.

233 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:31:10pm

re: #231 Lidane

For a guy that had just been in an epic fight to the death 35 minutes earlier, including getting his nose broken and his head slammed into the concrete and everything, George Zimmerman looks very healthy.

It's obvious now. George Zimmerman is Wolverine. That's the only explanation that makes any damn sense.

Perhaps.
I think it's more likely that an EMT from the future treated him with advanced tech.

234 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:31:18pm

re: #231 Lidane

For a guy that had just been in an epic fight to the death 35 minutes earlier, including getting his nose broken and his head slammed into the concrete and everything, George Zimmerman looks very healthy.

It's obvious now. George Zimmerman is Wolverine. That's the only explanation that makes any damn sense.

Perhaps that's why we haven't seen the coroner's report, because it would prove that what killed Trayvon was not a bullet, but an adamantium claw.

//

235 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:31:46pm

re: #231 Lidane

For a guy that had just been in an epic fight to the death 35 minutes earlier, including getting his nose broken and his head slammed into the concrete and everything, George Zimmerman looks very healthy.

It's obvious now. George Zimmerman is Wolverine. That's the only explanation that makes any damn sense.

Couldn't he be a honey badger?

[Link: wakingupnow.com...]

236 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:33:36pm

Q turned me into a newt!
;)

237 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:35:32pm

re: #236 Varek Raith

Q turned me into a newt!
;)

Oh, Mr. Speaker, I didn't know it was you!

//

238 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:36:14pm

re: #231 Lidane

For a guy that had just been in an epic fight to the death 35 minutes earlier, including getting his nose broken and his head slammed into the concrete and everything, George Zimmerman looks very healthy.

It's obvious now. George Zimmerman is Wolverine. That's the only explanation that makes any damn sense.

The murder occurred in a localized time/space distortion, which can can only mean that Obama's TARDIS is involved somehow.

239 erik_t  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:37:33pm

re: #238 The Ghost of a Flea

The murder occurred in a localized time/space distortion, which can can only mean that Obama's TARDIS is involved somehow.

Aha, so THAT'S why Obama deserves all of the blame for TARP!

240 Gus  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:39:12pm

BBL. Need to snooze.

241 Lidane  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:39:34pm

Ha! This is awesome:

A clinic’s landlord turns the tables on anti-abortion protesters

But his harassers crossed the line last fall, when a big group showed up at his daughter’s middle school on the first day of classes and again at back-to-school night. They had signs with his name and contact information as well as those awful images of the fetuses.

“What parent wants to have that conversation with an 11-year-old on the first day of school?” he fumed.

Soon after that, the harassing calls from protesters started coming to his home. By the dozens, at all hours. Friends asked him how they could help. He began to take the names and phone numbers down of anyone who contacted him with an unwanted call. And he gave those lists to his friends and asked them to call these folks back.

“In a very calm, very respectful voice, they said that the Stave family thanks you for your prayers,” he said. “They cannot terminate the lease, and they do not want to. They support women’s rights.”

This started with a dozen or so friends, then grew. Soon, there were more than a thousand volunteers dialing.

If they could find the information, Stave’s callers would even ask the family how their children were doing, and mention their names and the name of their school. “And then we’d tell them that we bless their home on such and such street,” giving them their address.

In some cases, the family of a protester who called Stave’s home could get up to 5,000 calls in return.

Harsh? Nope.

“We gave them back what they gave us,” he said. Do onto others, and so forth.

The supporters came so fast and in such big numbers, Stave founded a group, Voice for Choice . And now there are about 3,000 volunteers ready to make calm, reasoned calls to the homes of people who bombard doctors, landlords and families with their unsolicited protests at homes or schools across the country.

Stave is pretty rakish about explaining the tactic, clearly enjoying turning the tables after decades of not fighting back.

“What? They don’t want unsolicited calls to their homes?” he asked.

242 The Left  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:42:50pm

re: #241 Lidane

Pageworthy!

243 Lidane  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:43:41pm
244 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:46:47pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

Oh, Mr. Speaker, I didn't know it was you!

//

Q is an epic troll of epicness.

245 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 2:48:07pm

re: #243 Lidane

[Embedded content]

I'll believe that no right to privacy exists within the Constitution just as soon as a right to choose not to buy insurance is found there.

246 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 3:02:43pm

re: #201 Millicent Islam

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

Nails the most virulently anti-homosexual RWNJs (who wind up with a rent boy or propositioning dudes in an airport restroom) to a T.

247 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 3:09:35pm

re: #210 Varek Raith

I want to shoot this poor car. It must be suffering terribly.
Image: camo-continental.jpg

A pickup truck, a SUV, or a Jeep I can see (and have seen) with a camo paint job, but a Bentley? That's just all sorts of wrong right there...

248 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 3:22:12pm

re: #225 Kragar

Paul Ryan: The Generals Are Lying About Their Support For Obama’s Pentagon Budget

WTF?

"Us here in our lofty perches here at Capital Hill, most of whom have never served in the military and have avoided such service through money and privilege, know more about what boondoggle projects the Pentagon needs than the people who actually have to deal with it!"

Paul Ryan: know-it-all jerk.

249 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 3:24:13pm

re: #241 Lidane

Ha! This is awesome:

A clinic’s landlord turns the tables on anti-abortion protesters

Delicious...I approve!

250 Lemon  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 5:23:25pm

re: #187 The Ghost of a Flea

I'd just like to add to this post; I'm a student at Towson right now, and some of the graffiti was considerably more inflammatory than what's included in the articles. It was pretty surprising to see it, but the campus community did overwhelmingly reject it at least.

251 efuseakay  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 6:46:23pm

I'm trying to figure out in what twisted world the words "We don't need you to be doing that" does not = "Don't do that,"... That's another talking point coming from the wingers.

The dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following Martin. Or was I just hearing things? Oh well.

252 budda10000  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 6:56:21pm

You expect logic in politics? tisk tisk!

253 efuseakay  Thu, Mar 29, 2012 7:37:57pm

re: #252 budda10000

You expect logic in politics? tisk tisk!

Eh... I don't really consider this politics... I consider this reality. Point taken though! ;)

254 aug3  Fri, Mar 30, 2012 6:13:27am

the knees of those blue jeans are pretty clean for someone who has been fighting in wet grass, also didn't the funeral parlor guy say he could only find one wound mark on the body and it was in the chest, sounds like Trayvon may have been shot in the back

255 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 30, 2012 11:56:56am

We knew it was going to happen to someone. Santorum hits the linguistic edge:

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

--from Crooks and Liars


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Yesterday
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Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
William Lewis
3 days ago
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
3 weeks ago
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