By Sander van den Berg
The footage in this video is derived from image sequences from NASA’s Cassini and Voyager missions. I downloaden a large amount of raw images to create the video.
The song is The Cinematic Orchestra -That Home (Instrumental).
(Used under a Creative Commons Non-Commercial Attribution Share Alike license.)
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:01:17pm |
Few things are as refreshing to my attitude and outlook as a renewed sense of awe. Today, this video did that for me. Thanks.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:06:58pm |
re: #2 Daniel Ballard
Few things are as refreshing to my attitude and outlook as a renewed sense of awe. Today, this video did that for me. Thanks.
Ya, you look at something that intellectually is very powerful, but the way that it was designed, so very soothing.
Nice.
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:08:57pm |
What awesome special effects!!!
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:09:14pm |
Meanwhile, back on Earth, US Astronauts have to fly Space-A on Soyuz because of the shortsightedness of Congress. Feh...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:09:33pm |
re: #4 Everything in Its Right Place
Stop GOP!!
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:11:50pm |
re: #5 William Barnett-Lewis
Hey, no money to be made in space. Priorities. /
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:13:26pm |
re: #6 Hoodies for Justice. T
Stop GOP!!
Isn't it amazing what these artists do with this "Solar System" they speak of? I mean it's total science fiction, but it looks sooo believable!!!
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engineer cat Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:13:36pm |
re: #7 Romantic Heretic
Hey, no money to be made in space. Priorities. /
no more evolution until it's profitable
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b_sharp Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:14:22pm |
re: #9 engineer cat
no more evolution until it's profitable
"I smile because I don't know what the hell is going on."
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:18:13pm |
re: #2 Daniel Ballard
Few things are as refreshing to my attitude and outlook as a renewed sense of awe. Today, this video did that for me. Thanks.
Seriously though, this video is absolutely effing amazing.
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engineer cat Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:20:49pm |
this is the time of day when all the blood in the blogosphere goes to the stomach
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:22:59pm |
Space!!!???
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:26:58pm |
re: #5 William Barnett-Lewis
Go Dragon!
A private spaceship mission to the International Space Station is on track for a planned April 30 launch, which will mark a historic first for the orbiting laboratory, NASA officials announced April 16.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:28:43pm |
A Catholic bishop, doing what they apparently do best:
Group blasts Peoria bishop's comparison of Obama policies to Hitler, Stalin
A homily delivered Sunday by Peoria’s Roman Catholic Bishop Daniel Jenky has angered the Anti-Defamation League, a watchdog for anti-Semitism.
In the homily at in St. Mary’s Cathedral in Peoria, Jenky took aim at health care policies proposed by the Obama administration, which have been a source of consternation for Catholic bishops since they were announced earlier this year.
He included Obama’s policies in a litany of government challenges the Catholic Church has overcome in previous centuries.
“Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their churches like the first disciples locked up in the Upper Room,” he said. “In the late 19th century, Bismarck waged his ‘Kulturkampf,’ a Culture War, against the Roman Catholic Church, closing down every Catholic school and hospital, convent and monastery in Imperial Germany.
“Clemenceau, nicknamed ‘the priest eater,’ tried the same thing in France in the first decade of the 20th Century. Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services, and health care."In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama – with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda -- now seems intent on following a similar path.”
On Wednesday, Lonnie Nasatir, the regional director of Chicago’s Anti-Defamation League, demanded an apology from Jenky, calling his remarks “outrageous, offensive and completely over the top.”“Clearly, Bishop Jenky needs a history lesson,” Nasatir said. “There are few, if any, parallels in history to the religious intolerance and anti-Semitism fostered in society by Stalin, and especially Hitler, who under his regime perpetuated the open persecution and ultimate genocide of Jews, Catholics and many other minorities.”
“The 6 million Jews and millions of others who perished in the Holocaust should not have their deaths at the hands of Hitler trivialized by such offensive words,” Nasatir said.
A spokeswoman for the Peoria diocese could not be reached for comment. [...]
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:29:49pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:31:45pm |
re: #15 freetoken
A Catholic bishop, doing what they apparently do best:
Group blasts Peoria bishop's comparison of Obama policies to Hitler, Stalin
Never got last night's video of the speech to work. Was it taken down?
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:33:42pm |
That would be so cool if Earth had rings. But I guess we're lucky to have our awesome moon. What if there were no tides? Everything would be different.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:36:06pm |
#ALEC is Working to Make You Pay 750% More For High-Speed Internet goo.gl/ssdsp Rt #StopALEC #OWS #p2
— TheNewDeal (@TheNewDeal) April 18, 2012
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:36:09pm |
re: #19 wrenchwench
As a consolation prize, Pluto might have rings. :)
Mars will eventually have rings too.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:38:05pm |
Hey all, I had a shitty day.
In case you were wondering.
If I watch the above video, will I feel better?
How are you?
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:38:10pm |
re: #21 ProGunLiberal
As a consolation prize, Pluto might have rings. :)
Mars will eventually have rings too.
Pluto needs a consolation prize. It had its planethood revoked.
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:38:51pm |
re: #22 ggt
Hey all, I had a shitty day.
In case you were wondering.
If I watch the above video, will I feel better?
It's certainly worth a try.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:39:07pm |
re: #19 wrenchwench
That would be so cool if Earth had rings. But I guess we're lucky to have our awesome moon. What if there were no tides? Everything would be different.
I hear we used to have 2 moons.
What did that do to the tides? --it boggles my mind.
At least I am intelligent enough to realize they would have been affected. I just am not intelligent enough to understand how.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:40:31pm |
re: #22 ggt
Hey all, I had a shitty day.
In case you were wondering.
If I watch the above video, will I feel better?
How are you?
I'd bet it will.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:40:37pm |
re: #23 wrenchwench
It already has a number of consolation prizes.
A huge moon (in comparison to itself) that is likely to make it part of a Double Dwarf Planet.
3 Other Moons that are larger than a majority of the moons around the 4 Gas Giants.
And a topography that is only rivaled by Earth in its color contrast.
I'm excited for 2015!
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wrenchwench Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:41:43pm |
re: #20 jaunte
Shortly after issuing a press release announcing that it was disbanding its "Public Safety and Elections Task Force" after 30 years, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) held a training for the right-wing blogosphere.
[...]
Korb outlined ALEC's PR counter-offensive. She told bloggers that ALEC will launch a website called "I Stand with ALEC" in the next few days. The phrase is familiar to Wisconsinites, as it tracks the Americans for Prosperity (AFP) campaign on behalf of the embattled governor, whose slogan is "Stand with Walker." AFP is also an ALEC member.
[...]
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:44:46pm |
re: #22 ggt
Hey all, I had a shitty day.
In case you were wondering.
If I watch the above video, will I feel better?
How are you?
(((GGT)))
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:45:04pm |
The video was beautiful, I feel a little better.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:49:13pm |
re: #28 wrenchwench
Sounds to me like ALEC is trying to go underground and off-the-radar with their astroturf; the "disbanding" of their Public Safety and Elections Task Force distinctly smells like BS to me.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:52:26pm |
re: #27 ProGunLiberal
Actually Pluto could have even more moons.
The team that discovered S/2011 P 1 also found possible evidence of a couple of even fainter moons, but this needs more study to be confirmed.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:52:47pm |
Meanwhile, over in the world of science and evolution, Coyne has gotten published his article: SCIENCE, RELIGION, AND SOCIETY: THE PROBLEM OF EVOLUTION IN AMERICA
ABSTRACT
American resistance to accepting evolution is uniquely high among First World countries. This is due largely to the extreme religiosity of the U.S., which is much higher than that of comparably advanced nations, and to the resistance of many religious people to the facts and implications of evolution. The prevalence of religious belief in the U.S. suggests that outreach by scientists alone will not have a huge effect in increasing the acceptance of evolution, nor will the strategy of trying to convince the faithful that evolution is compatible with their religion. Since creationism is a symptom of religion, another strategy to promote evolution involves loosening the grip of faith on America. This is easier said than done, for recent sociological surveys show that religion is highly correlated with the dysfunctionality of a society, and various measures of societal health show that the U.S. is one of the most socially dysfunctional First World countries. Widespread acceptance of evolution in America, then, may have to await profound social change.
Some have raised questions of whether this might hurt the nature of the journal itself:
Coyne on religion and evolution in Evolution
An interesting dilemma in some ways, played out in other topics too.
I do agree with Coyne that the hyper-religious nature of America is a stumbling block to accepting sound science.
The latest paper from the NORC looking at GSS data was put out a few days ago:
Belief in God strongest in US and Catholic countries, surveys find
Maybe I'll write more on this later, but for now just let me say that I am sure, positive, that the religious nature of Americans is the central axis around which our other political/social issues are discussed.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:54:07pm |
re: #15 freetoken
A Catholic bishop, doing what they apparently do best:
Group blasts Peoria bishop's comparison of Obama policies to Hitler, Stalin
Don't you people get it!!?? Obama ate Dog!!!
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:56:02pm |
Is your google chrome having a hard time finding things in searches right now? I keep getting a page returning that it can't find the page it found in the search.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:56:58pm |
Thinking Only Of The Country's Greater Good Dept.:
Larry O’Connor of Breitbart News pushes Romney for a federal investigation of Media Matters.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:57:15pm |
We lost Pluto!
That is the other thing that goes on my list of unthinkable big changes that have happened in recent years that have cause a lot of cognitive dissonance and people yearing for the way-back machine to turn the country into some Utopian Mythical Past.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:57:32pm |
re: #35 Darth Vader Gargoyle
Don't you people get it!!?? Obama ate Dog!!!
//
So we should, what? Feel sorry for him that someone fed him dog as a boy and all send him gift certificates to In N Out?
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Gus Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:57:49pm |
re: #37 jaunte
Thinking Only Of The Country's Greater Good Dept.:
Larry O’Connor of Breitbart News pushes Romney for a federal investigation of Media Matters.
Pathetic. Romney really is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:58:16pm |
re: #39 Mostly sane, most of the time.
So we should, what? Feel sorry for him that someone fed him dog as a boy and all send him gift certificates to In N Out?
No, you should send me gift certificates to Five Guys (no In N Out in DC area).
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:58:34pm |
re: #19 wrenchwench
That would be so cool if Earth had rings. But I guess we're lucky to have our awesome moon. What if there were no tides? Everything would be different.
The tides would be the least of our, or whatever's, problems. Without the moon the axis of the earth would precess over 180 degrees back and forth over time. Some ages would have the south pole pointing towards the sun for part of the year, and some the north pole.
Would make for a rather different planet altogether.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:59:48pm |
re: #37 jaunte
The Right wants to quash the freedoms of those not like them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:00:05pm |
re: #34 freetoken
Meanwhile, over in the world of science and evolution, Coyne has gotten published his article: SCIENCE, RELIGION, AND SOCIETY: THE PROBLEM OF EVOLUTION IN AMERICA
Some have raised questions of whether this might hurt the nature of the journal itself:
Coyne on religion and evolution in Evolution
An interesting dilemma in some ways, played out in other topics too.
I do agree with Coyne that the hyper-religious nature of America is a stumbling block to accepting sound science.
The latest paper from the NORC looking at GSS data was put out a few days ago:
Belief in God strongest in US and Catholic countries, surveys find
Maybe I'll write more on this later, but for now just let me say that I am sure, positive, that the religious nature of Americans is the central axis around which our other political/social issues are discussed.
All the way down to slavery and religious discrimination against black people
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:01:58pm |
re: #39 Mostly sane, most of the time.
So we should, what? Feel sorry for him that someone fed him dog as a boy and all send him gift certificates to In N Out?
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:02:05pm |
This is one thing that Frustrates me about Obama:
Under the FY2013 budget that President Obama released on February 13, 2012, NASA terminated its participation in ExoMars due to budgetary cuts, in order to pay for the cost overruns of the James Webb Space Telescope. In addition, all proposed NASA flagship planetary missions were put on hold indefinitely. As of March 2012, there are no plans to develop more planetary flagships beyond the $2.5 billion Mars Science Laboratory (MSL).
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jaunte Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:02:12pm |
“For the life of me, I cannot begin to understand why this is something that is a debate within Congress.”
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engineer cat Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:03:04pm |
there are 1.45 million native speakers of nahuatl. there are 310,000 native speakers of icelandic
but does microsoft provide nahuatl language support?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:03:24pm |
The Whacko attack on women's rights is really about abortion. We give-up abortion and they say they will let-up on the rest (my theory).
Sounds a lot to me like the KSA and Israel. They say if we (Israel) give-up Jerusalem, the problems will stop. (remember from Ambassador Saud interview a while back)
I don't believe either, but the point is that neither are going to happen.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:04:24pm |
re: #47 jaunte
Because in the Utopian Mythical Past, women were chattel and it was God's will they be subject to the alcoholic and psychotic whims of their male keepers.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:04:32pm |
re: #48 engineer cat
there are 1.45 million native speakers of nahuatl. there are 310,000 native speakers of icelandic
but does microsoft provide nahuatl language support?
Is nahuatl a written language?
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:05:07pm |
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:05:31pm |
re: #49 ggt
On the other hand, Arabs have a stake in Jerusalem too, and some parallels can be drawn between Likud and the BJP, which could put both Al-Aqsa and Dome of the Rock under threat.
I am in the middle on Israel-Palestine.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:05:33pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:05:56pm |
re: #41 Darth Vader Gargoyle
No, you should send me gift certificates to Five Guys (no In N Out in DC area).
Drats....I was just saying the same thing!
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engineer cat Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:06:01pm |
re: #51 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Is nahuatl a written language?
Sample text
Nochi tlakamej uan siuamej kipiaj manoj kuali tlakatisej, nochi san se totlatechpouiltilis uan titlatepanitalojkej, yeka moneki kuali ma timouikakaj, ma timoiknelikaj, ma timotlasojtlakaj uan ma timotlepanitakaj.
Translation
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:07:03pm |
re: #51 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
No. Linguists are trying to fit the Latin Alphabet to it, but are running into trouble.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:07:16pm |
re: #53 ProGunLiberal
On the other hand, Arabs have a stake in Jerusalem too, and some parallels can be drawn between Likud and the BJP, which could put both Al-Aqsa and Dome of the Rock under threat.
I am in the middle on Israel-Palestine.
I'm in favor of a DMZ like North and South Korea --let the Swiss administrate it.
I don't see any other type of solution with at least 3 major groups claiming Jerusalem.
Like when little kids fight over a toy --no one gets to keep it.
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Kragar Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:10:20pm |
re: #48 engineer cat
there are 1.45 million native speakers of nahuatl. there are 310,000 native speakers of icelandic
but does microsoft provide nahuatl language support?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:11:00pm |
re: #56 engineer cat
Sample text
Nochi tlakamej uan siuamej kipiaj manoj kuali tlakatisej, nochi san se totlatechpouiltilis uan titlatepanitalojkej, yeka moneki kuali ma timouikakaj, ma timoiknelikaj, ma timotlasojtlakaj uan ma timotlepanitakaj.
TranslationAll human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
But is that a phonetic approximation into western script, or is there a defined standard language.
A quick google seems to suggest that the original language was pictorial in script, and has morphed into many dialects, not one language spoken by a million or more.
Seems that would be hard to convert to software in a practical manner.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:11:13pm |
re: #58 ggt
I got a better idea.
Independent City-State with separate governmental structures for the holy sites. This structure will also control all Christian Holy Sites in Israel and Palestine.
My ideas after that go into wonky territory.
Also, the blockade of Cuba is hurting us. Time to let it go.
Cuba, blocked amid intense pressure from other countries by the U.S. from attending the 7th Summit of the Americas, hails a Latin American and Caribbean "rebellion" against U.S. dominance at last weekend's 6th Summit of the Americas in Colombia, with U.S. President Barack Obama forced to use his "imperial veto" to stop the summit calling for an end to the U.S. embargo against it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:11:18pm |
re: #47 jaunte
it'd be nice if he just told the truth: 'Republicans oppose rights for women across the board, including the right not to be raped and beaten"
simple! When Christian cultists rule the discourse, that's what happens in congress
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:12:29pm |
re: #61 ProGunLiberal
I got a better idea.
Independent City-State with separate governmental structures for the holy sites. This structure will also control all Christian Holy Sites in Israel and Palestine.
My ideas after that go into wonky territory.
Also, the blockade of Cuba is hurting us. Time to let it go.
I don't think the three main religions can work together, even on this.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:12:37pm |
Night Lizards.
If so, He/She/or it must be disappointed in us. Becaused We have failed on so many levels.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:13:52pm |
re: #64 Bubblehead II
Night Lizards.
If so, He/She/or it must be disappointed in us. Becaused We have failed on so many levels.
That only matters if
1) I believe he/she/it will intervene
2) I believe in an afterlife
Which I don't.
I do, however, refuse to give-up my childhood emotional need for Santa.
:0
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:14:37pm |
re: #58 ggt
I'm in favor of a DMZ like North and South Korea --let the Swiss administrate it.
I don't see any other type of solution with at least 3 major groups claiming Jerusalem.
Like when little kids fight over a toy --no one gets to keep it.
Right, and the Swiss guard will check IDs for everyone entering, and keep the peace..when pigs fly//
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jaunte Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:15:43pm |
re: #62 windupbird is in the gravity well
Oh look, Janice Shaw Crouse, senior fellow of Concerned Women for America's Beverly LaHaye Institute, thinks it "should outrage decent people"
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engineer cat Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:16:54pm |
re: #60 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
But is that a phonetic approximation into western script, or is there a defined standard language.
A quick google seems to suggest that the original language was pictorial in script, and has morphed into many dialects, not one language spoken by a million or more.
Seems that would be hard to convert to software in a practical manner.
Among the indigenous languages of the Americas, extensive corpus of surviving literature in Nahuatl dating as far back as the 16th century may be considered unique.[86] Nahuatl literature encompasses a diverse array of genres and styles, the documents themselves composed under many different circumstances. It appears that the preconquest Nahua had a distinction much like the European distinction between "prose" and "poetry", the first called tlahtolli "speech" and the second cuicatl "song".
Nahuatl orthography describes the methodologies and conventions used to express the Nahuatl languages and dialects in some given writing system, and the inventory of glyphs, graphemes and diacritics employed for that purpose.
Historically Nahuatl has been written with greatly differing orthographies because no institution has governed its spelling. This is still true for the classical dialect (Classical Nahuatl) which is a dead language documented in many historical sources and literature, but spelling of the modern dialects of Nahuatl is governed by the Mexican Secretaría de Educación Publica (federal education ministry), although they do have some difficulties in implementing their orthographic standards in the Nahuatl communities.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:17:10pm |
I'd love to see Obama give a Press Conference with the SS agents who partied in Columbia in the front row.
I would want him to make every person who ever cheated on their spouse feel extreme shame.
If he took a strong stance on 'individual integrity" and "keeping one's word" and the plain stupidity of breaking that word in a society in which one enters a marriage in freely, I think it would reach some of the Independents. And it would make a strong impact not only on the SS agents, but on many people.
He could make the SS men cry --they deserve it.
He wouldn't have to say anything about the unprofessionalism or the security issues or religion.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:17:52pm |
re: #66 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Right, and the Swiss guard will check IDs for everyone entering, and keep the peace..when pigs fly//
In their Vatican costumes!
LOL
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:18:30pm |
re: #67 jaunte
Oh look, Janice Shaw Crouse, senior fellow of Concerned Women for America's Beverly LaHaye Institute, thinks it "should outrage decent people"
Jim Jones couldn't hope for better drones
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:19:26pm |
re: #58 ggt
I'm in favor of a DMZ like North and South Korea --let the Swiss administrate it.
I don't see any other type of solution with at least 3 major groups claiming Jerusalem.
Like when little kids fight over a toy --no one gets to keep it.
You had me right up until "the Swiss." Let's pick a nation that didn't collaborate with the Nazi's to steal gold from Holocaust victims.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:19:59pm |
re: #71 windupbird is in the gravity well
Whenever I see the name Concerned Women for America, I imagine them getting together to knit extra brows.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:20:08pm |
re: #72 goddamnedfrank
You had me right up until "the Swiss." Let's pick a nation that didn't collaborate with the Nazi's to steal gold from Holocaust victims.
Aren't they the one's that administrate the DMZ between the Koreas?
Whoever does that then.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:20:12pm |
re: #66 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Swiss-Swiss, not Vatican Swiss!
re: #63 ggt
A little more optimistic, I am.
However, a big stumbling block is poisoning of history on both sides. However, it is more prevalent among the Palestinians, partially because of Saudi Interference.
Saudi must be cut out of the discussions. They have already done horrific levels of damage to Mecca and Medina.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:20:33pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:20:51pm |
re: #75 ProGunLiberal
Swiss-Swiss, not Vatican Swiss!
re: #63 ggt
A little more optimistic, I am.
However, a big stumbling block is poisoning of history on both sides. However, it is more prevalent among the Palestinians, partially because of Saudi Interference.
Saudi must be cut out of the discussions. They have already done horrific levels of damage to Mecca and Medina.
KSA has the money and the power. They aren't going away anytime soon.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:20:59pm |
re: #73 jaunte
Whenever I see the name Concerned Women for America, I imagine them getting together to knit extra brows.
ahahahahahahahah
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:22:17pm |
re: #72 goddamnedfrank
You had me right up until "the Swiss." Let's pick a nation that didn't collaborate with the Nazi's to steal gold from Holocaust victims.
Fuck the Swiss.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:22:22pm |
re: #76 ProGunLiberal
Sweden?
One of the most trusted nations on Earth.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:23:42pm |
re: #76 ProGunLiberal
Sweden?
One of the most trusted nations on Earth.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:23:56pm |
re: #72 goddamnedfrank
You had me right up until "the Swiss." Let's pick a nation that didn't collaborate with the Nazi's to steal gold from Holocaust victims.
what we need is more political power concentrated in the hands of incredibly rich people
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:24:36pm |
Since the Armistice was signed, it has been monitored by members of the Neutral Nations Supervisory Commission (NNSC). Since 1953, members of the Swiss[5] and Swedish[6] Armed Forces have been members of the NNSC stationed near the DMZ.
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The Neutral Nations Supervisory Commission (NNSC) was established by the Korean Armistice Agreement signed July 27, 1953, ending the Korean War. It is, with the Military Armistice Commission (UNCMAC), part of the mechanism regulating the relations between the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK, North Korea) and the Republic of Korea (ROK, South Korea).
According to the Armistice, the NNSC shall be composed of four senior officers, two of whom shall be appointed by neutral nations nominated by the United Nations Command (UNC) and two of whom shall be appointed by neutral nations nominated jointly by the Korean People's Army (KPA) and the Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV). The term "neutral nations" was defined as those nations whose combat forces did not participate in the hostilities in Korea. The United Nations Command chose Sweden and Switzerland, while the Korean People's Army and Chinese People's Volunteers chose the People's Republic of Poland and Czechoslovakia.
On August 1, 1953, the first Swiss NNSC delegation, consisting of 96 members, arrived in Panmunjeom. The first force reduction took place in 1955, when the delegation was reduced to 41 members. In the following years, the delegation was successively reduced. Since 1982, there are six Swiss members in Panmunjom and until August 1987, exactly 700 Swiss soldiers have worked for the NNSC in Korea. The mission of the NNSC is defined in article 41 of the Armistice and reads as follows: "The mission of the NNSC shall be to carry out the function of supervision, observation, inspection, and investigation and to report the results of such supervision, observation, inspection and investigation to the Military Armistice Commission."
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:25:19pm |
re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion
Fun Fact:
Swiss didn't give women the right to vote until 1978.
re: #77 ggt
But there are ways of undercutting it.
Getting off oil ASAP. Helping Morocco become more powerful religiously, along with Jordan.
Also, as horribly cynical, as it is, try and stamp into the American (collective) Mind that 9/11 is Saudi's fault.
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Kronocide Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:25:40pm |
re: #82 windupbird is in the gravity well
what we need is more political power concentrated in the hands of incredibly rich people
because the terrorists hate us because of our freedoms
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:25:43pm |
re: #83 ggt
Okay, Sweden, you take of its defense.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:26:35pm |
re: #74 ggt
Aren't they the one's that administrate the DMZ between the Koreas?
Whoever does that then.
No, the two Koreas administer the DMZ, with semi regular incursions by the North. It was also built with help from the UN which oversaw the signing of the armistice. Technically the two nations are still at war.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:26:35pm |
re: #86 ProGunLiberal
Okay, Sweden, you take of its defense.
Let's just give it to the NNSC -and let them fight it out amongst themselves.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:26:39pm |
re: #81 Learned Mother of Zion
And who took in the Jews from Denmark after the Holocaust?
Also, lets not forget that Sweden has its own Lillehammer Incident equivalent.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:27:53pm |
it's funny because they're evil
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:27:58pm |
Maybe it has to be a Neutral Religion --Give the Job to the Dalai Lama?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:28:04pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:28:19pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:29:25pm |
re: #76 ProGunLiberal
Sweden?
One of the most trusted nations on Earth.
Gekko State. It's just as realistic if you think about it.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:29:30pm |
Well, speaking of Teh Jooz
Nice spin, @EricBoehlert but have you apologized for repeatedly publishing antisemitic content? How many donors have you lost now?— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) April 19, 2012
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:29:33pm |
re: #84 ProGunLiberal
Fun Fact:
Swiss didn't give women the right to vote until 1978.
re: #77 ggt
But there are ways of undercutting it.
Getting off oil ASAP. Helping Morocco become more powerful religiously, along with Jordan.
Also, as horribly cynical, as it is, try and stamp into the American (collective) Mind that 9/11 is Saudi's fault.
How do we do all this without a powerful CIA and nasty Black-Ops?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:30:17pm |
Now that I think of it, I am all for putting the Great Danes in charge.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:30:23pm |
re: #94 Learned Mother of Zion
The Swedes took them in during 1943. I'm sure you know this.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:31:36pm |
re: #99 ggt
Yes, SUNY Albany is quite trustworthy... /alumnus
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:32:32pm |
re: #98 ggt
There is no black ops or CIA here. Just trying to help out 2 allies, becoming energy independent, and focusing on how the Saudi's influence caused 9/11.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:33:14pm |
Free Bayer Aspirin if you are quick enough to sign-up.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:33:53pm |
re: #100 ProGunLiberal
The Swedes took them in during 1943. I'm sure you know this.
Some Jews may have tried to escape to Sweden but the Swedes would not accept them. I'm sure you know this.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:34:09pm |
/not
I never saw so much Hello Kitty merchandise as I saw in Hawaii. Little Asian Girl tourists were awfully cute with their stuff tho.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:35:38pm |
re: #99 ggt
Now that I think of it, I am all for putting the Great Danes in charge.
Mmm. No, I'm thinking Border Collies. Maybe Australian Shepherds?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:36:17pm |
re: #104 Learned Mother of Zion
Some Jews may have tried to escape to Sweden but the Swedes would not accept them. I'm sure you know this.
Some tried to escape to the US, but the US would not accept them.
*Hangs head*
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:36:27pm |
re: #99 ggt
Now that I think of it, I am all for putting the Great Danes in charge.
They are good dogs. It's too bad they don't live long. My dad's friend had one. His name was Othello.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:36:44pm |
re: #92 windupbird is in the gravity well
“I’m stunned,” said Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of Network, a Catholic social justice lobby founded by sisters. Her group was also cited in the Vatican document, along with the Leadership Conference, for focusing its work too much on poverty and economic injustice, while keeping “silent” on abortion and same-sex marriage.
[Link: www.towleroad.com...]
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:36:56pm |
re: #107 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Some tried to escape to the US, but the US would not accept them.
*Hangs head*
I think that along with the internment of the Japanese-Americans is FDR's worst legacy.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:38:02pm |
re: #92 windupbird is in the gravity well
it's funny because they're evil
This makes the Vatican look real good huh. What a bunch of jerks. Hey you stop helping the poor and condemn women for a tough choice and gays for being who there are.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:38:35pm |
re: #108 HappyWarrior
They are good dogs. It's too bad they don't live long. My dad's friend had one. His name was Othello.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:39:16pm |
re: #108 HappyWarrior
They are good dogs. It's too bad they don't live long. My dad's friend had one. His name was Othello.
But their short lives make them perfect for leadership -:)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:39:17pm |
re: #23 wrenchwench
Pluto needs a consolation prize. It had its planethood revoked.
Pluto was too rich! The 1% are called 'plutocrats for a reason!!1
/Occupy the Solar System
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jaunte Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:39:41pm |
re: #111 HappyWarrior
This makes the Vatican look real good huh. What a bunch of jerks. Hey you stop helping the poor and condemn women for a tough choice and gays for being who there are.
Your prayer is important to us. Please stay on your knees. An authorized angelic technician will be with you shortly.
— God (@TheTweetOfGod) April 19, 2012
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:40:45pm |
re: #107 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Some tried to escape to the US, but the US would not accept them.
*Hangs head*
There was a huge issue with Jewish Refugees. The National Holocaust Museum (name?) in DC did a thingy a while back on CSPAN about it. One of FDR's advisors (Hill?) died and his family released his papers. He worked very hard to find places for the Jews and tried to convince world leaders of the writing on the wall, but he was banging his head against the wall.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:40:48pm |
re: #112 ggt
Nah he was black. Him, the other dog (a Prynesses named Loki), and my poodle Brady were quite the trio. I nicknamed the three Musketeers because they were so tight.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:40:52pm |
re: #104 Learned Mother of Zion
And yet, this happened:
As related by the historian Richard Rhodes, on 30 September 1943 Bohr persuaded King Gustaf of Sweden to make public Sweden’s willingness to provide asylum, and on 2 October 1943 Swedish radio broadcast that Sweden was ready to offer asylum. Historians are divided, however, on the implications of Bohr's political actions in Sweden, some arguing that he was among those rescued and therefore could have played no role in facilitating the mass rescue, whereas Richard Rhodes and others interpret Bohr’s actions in Sweden as being a necessary precursor without which that mass rescue could not have occurred. Whether or not the mass rescue of the Danish Jews could have happened without Bohr’s political activity in Sweden, there is no doubt that he did all that he could for his countrymen.
Sweden is not evil, despite what you think. They were certainly less cooperative than Switzerland in regard to the Nazis.
But go on hating Sweden. I know you will.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:41:59pm |
re: #110 HappyWarrior
I think that along with the internment of the Japanese-Americans is FDR's worst legacy.
In the case of the Jews, he felt his hands were tied by his constituents, as Anti-Semitism still had strong currency in America during the 1930's. Morally wrongly, he decided to leave the Jews to be brutalized (and eventually murdered) in order to appease the bigots in his party.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:42:01pm |
re: #118 ProGunLiberal
And yet, this happened:
Sweden is not evil, despite what you think. They were certainly less cooperative than Switzerland in regard to the Nazis.
But go on hating Sweden. I know you will.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:42:29pm |
re: #116 ggt
There was a huge issue with Jewish Refugees. The National Holocaust Museum (name?) in DC did a thingy a while back on CSPAN about it. One of FDR's advisors (Hill?) died and his family released his papers. He worked very hard to find places for the Jews and tried to convince world leaders of the writing on the wall, but he was banging his head against the wall.
It's my understanding that there was a lot of ingrained Anti-Semitism at the State Department during that time. Just sucks. For every hero who risked his life to save people, there was someone who acted cowardly.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:42:46pm |
re: #119 Dark_Falcon
In the case of the Jews, he felt his hands were tied by his constituents, as Anti-Semitism still had strong currency in America during the 1930's. Morally wrongly, he decided to leave the Jews to be brutalized (and eventually murdered) in order to appease the bigots in his party.
Seems to be a meme with politicians of all Partys.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:44:30pm |
re: #119 Dark_Falcon
In the case of the Jews, he felt his hands were tied by his constituents, as Anti-Semitism still had strong currency in America during the 1930's. Morally wrongly, he decided to leave the Jews to be brutalized (and eventually murdered) in order to appease the bigots in his party.
I know it did but sometimes you just gotta step up and do the right thing. He was afraid of losing the South if he condemned lynching. I think FDR was a very good if not great president but I think he had shortcomings in areas like this.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:44:33pm |
re: #118 ProGunLiberal
And yet, this happened:
Sweden is not evil, despite what you think. They were certainly less cooperative than Switzerland in regard to the Nazis.
But go on hating Sweden. I know you will.
Yes, but Sweden did keep selling iron ore to Germany, almost to the very end of the war, in both World Wars. Thus, it can be readily argued that the good Sweden did in taking in Denmark's Jews was outweighed by the ill Sweden did in helping to sustain the Nazi war machine.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:45:18pm |
re: #120 Learned Mother of Zion
And, looking at the Swedish news, they are having a conniption fit. This is government that only 3 weeks ago had to have their Defense Minister resign as a result of a corrupt deal with Saudi.
And their reaction the anti-Muslim Sweden Democrats getting just over 5% of the vote in the last election was worse. It was common to hear people say that the Scandia region (which gave 10% of the vote to SD) should have been kicked out of Sweden and given to Denmark.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:45:29pm |
re: #118 ProGunLiberal
Sweden also profited hugely from selling iron ore to the Nazis, without which the Nazis probably would not have been able to supply their troops with sufficient materiel.
Swedes, in general, are not proud of their position in WWII.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:46:45pm |
re: #126 Obdicut
Sweden also profited hugely from selling iron ore to the Nazis, without which the Nazis probably would not have been able to supply their troops with sufficient materiel.
Swedes, in general, are not proud of their position in WWII.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:47:17pm |
re: #122 ggt
Seems to be a meme with politicians of all Partys.
It is. A president has to keep his governing coalition together, and sometimes this has meant letting assholes within the coalition shit on people not within the coalition.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:47:44pm |
re: #124 Dark_Falcon
Sweden was also incredibly small population wise, surrounded on the West and South by the Nazis, and to the East by the Soviets.
What would you have them do exactly?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:48:13pm |
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jaunte Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:48:36pm |
Allen West Explains Why Democrats Are Communists: ‘The Creation And Expansion Of The Welfare State’
Rep. Allen West (R-FL) clarified his earlier claim that members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus are communists at a press event with other House GOP conservatives Tuesday afternoon. He said communism is defined broadly as the creation and expansion of a welfare state.
West, a prolific fundraiser, has also recently started raising money by trumpeting his willingness to call House Democrats communists, in an e-mail to supporters: “In response to a question about Marxists in Congress, I called out the Congressional Progressive Caucus for their extreme left-wing positions. I stand by the point of my comments and I need you to stand with me today by making a contribution of $10 or more.”
Bootstraps, Allen. Don't go begging for handouts.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:49:26pm |
re: #130 ProGunLiberal
Fight. When presented with Nazis, choose to fight the Nazis. Don't use your Navy to escort their ships, as Sweden did.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:49:41pm |
re: #132 jaunte
Allen West Explains Why Democrats Are Communists: ‘The Creation And Expansion Of The Welfare State’
Bootstraps, Allen. Don't go begging for handouts.
Heh- I have here in my hand the list of 100 Communists but I need ten bucks please.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:50:19pm |
While I am on a Sweden hate:
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Digital Display Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:50:37pm |
re: #120 Learned Mother of Zion
That is just disgusting...All under the guise of Art..
Artists..pfff..Can't live with em and you can't fit 3 of em in the trunk.
//
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:51:30pm |
re: #127 Learned Mother of Zion
Yes, they did. Thousands of Swedish men joined the SS Nordland division and wore the vile Totenkopf and Sigrunen. Sweden's actions during WWII were in many cases shameful.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:52:11pm |
re: #127 Learned Mother of Zion
Okay, I will cede that point.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:53:28pm |
re: #133 Obdicut
Fight. When presented with Nazis, choose to fight the Nazis. Don't use your Navy to escort their ships, as Sweden did.
They had a strong navy too, more than enough to deliver harder blows than the weakened Kriegsmarine could sustain after its losses in Norway.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:53:39pm |
Oh, the signs that I am old.
Tupperware Parties that aren't for tupperware but press-on nails.
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Kronocide Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:54:35pm |
re: #135 Learned Mother of Zion
While I am on a Sweden hate:
IKEA is not made in Sweden? FFS I'm gonna lose it.
They're going to get into the electronics market soon. Good luck on that.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:54:42pm |
re: #139 Dark_Falcon
They had a strong navy too, more than enough to deliver harder blows than the weakened Kriegsmarine could sustain after its losses in Norway.
Didn't know that or the extent of their help to the Nazis during the war. The current generation shouldn't blame themselves but should be willing to learn from the lessons of the past.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:56:40pm |
re: #135 Learned Mother of Zion
While I am on a Sweden hate:
Yeah, I have no use for IKEA.
For as hard as it is to shop their the merchandise should be free.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:57:53pm |
re: #143 ggt
YIKES. Pass the brain bleach!
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 6:58:47pm |
I am sorry for not knowing entirely how Sweden acted in WWII.
I still stand by earlier ideas about Jerusalem.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:00:49pm |
IKEA reminds me of the old Service Merchandise concept. I hated it too!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:01:10pm |
re: #146 ProGunLiberal
I am sorry for not knowing entirely how Sweden acted in WWII.
I still stand by earlier ideas about Jerusalem.
It's OK, PLL. WWII is a very large and complex set of topics and you're only 22. Even at 34 and having studied WWII since I was 12, I still get caught side-out sometimes by facts I didn't know about.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:02:12pm |
WTF with North and South Sudan. North Sudan vows to liberate South Sudan. What, they've been a sovereign country for what seems like a week and already they want to go to war again?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:03:48pm |
Mff. My printer died. My four-year old Canon MP830 suddenly shut off, and now it's saying "incorrect print head installed," even though I didn't touch the print head.
Looks like a new print head is pretty expensive too. Thinking of getting a new all-in-one home office printer instead -- the Canon ink is too expensive and runs out too fast, and there are faster printers now.
Anyone have experience with the HP Officejet Pro 8600 Premium E-All-in-One Wireless Color Printer With Scanner, Copier & Fax?
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:04:11pm |
re: #149 ggt
This is why Bashir needs to go.
Did the ICC warrant for his arrest say he had to be taken alive? Because I have an assumption he has near absolute power, and that if he goes, things might be calmer.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:04:50pm |
re: #149 ggt
WTF with North and South Sudan. North Sudan vows to liberate South Sudan. What, they've been a sovereign country for what seems like a week and already they want to go to war again?
Political Islam + Racism/Religious Bigotry = North Sudan deciding to go back on its deal.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:04:57pm |
re: #150 Charles Johnson
Mff. My printer died. My four-year old Canon MP830 suddenly shut off, and now it's saying "incorrect print head installed," even though I didn't touch the print head.
Looks like a new print head is pretty expensive too. Thinking of getting a new all-in-one home office printer instead -- the Canon ink is too expensive and runs out too fast, and there are faster printers now.
Anyone have experience with the HP Officejet Pro 8600 Premium E-All-in-One Wireless Color Printer With Scanner, Copier & Fax?
We've got three HP All-In-One Wireless's in the house. NO problems. And you can get good deals on HP print cartridges with the reward programs at the major office supply stores.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:08:51pm |
re: #152 Dark_Falcon
Omar al-Bashir has gone back on deals so many times it will make your head spin. This is a country that harbored al-Qaeda for several years, and I have no doubt they still harbor terrorists.
Of course, it goes without saying Eritrea, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan are worse.
Eritrea harbors al-Shabaab.
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Kronocide Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:08:58pm |
50% of the comedy in #ObamaEatsDog is the hysterical lefty grimacing about it.
— David Burge (@iowahawkblog) April 19, 2012
Douche is acting like a 12 yr old. The ones acting hysterical are the idiots haranguing dog jokes about Obama.
We're grimacing at you, not with you.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:10:12pm |
re: #150 Charles Johnson
Mff. My printer died. My four-year old Canon MP830 suddenly shut off, and now it's saying "incorrect print head installed," even though I didn't touch the print head.
Looks like a new print head is pretty expensive too. Thinking of getting a new all-in-one home office printer instead -- the Canon ink is too expensive and runs out too fast, and there are faster printers now.
Anyone have experience with the HP Officejet Pro 8600 Premium E-All-in-One Wireless Color Printer With Scanner, Copier & Fax?
I've sold the preceding models. They worked very well for the people that bought them. HP all-in-ones are excellent, and I fully recommend them.
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Digital Display Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:10:15pm |
re: #142 HappyWarrior
Didn't know that or the extent of their help to the Nazis during the war. The current generation shouldn't blame themselves but should be willing to learn from the lessons of the past.
I agree..America and Germany are really close now.. We hold the Country forgiven.. What about Japan? Large scale atrocities beyond the pale? Has Japan become forgiven? No less can Norway or Sweden be judged.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:11:38pm |
re: #158 HoosierHoops
I agree..America and Germany are really close now.. We hold the Country forgiven.. What about Japan? Large scale atrocities beyond the pale? Has Japan become forgiven? No less can Norway or Sweden be judged.
I may be wrong but I think they're our biggest ally on continental Europe.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:12:19pm |
re: #157 Dark_Falcon
I've only had one issue with an HP Printer, and that was because I am in a small room without much space, at I have to put stuff on top of the printer. This particular printer had a fax on top. Somehow, this caused the printer to break.
Mom's Laserjet from 1996 is still chugging along.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:13:06pm |
re: #159 HappyWarrior
I always that that county would be France.
Although, if you are talking Loyalty, than it is no question. That's Albania.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:14:26pm |
re: #158 HoosierHoops
I agree..America and Germany are really close now.. We hold the Country forgiven.. What about Japan? Large scale atrocities beyond the pale? Has Japan become forgiven? No less can Norway or Sweden be judged.
Japan is held to have pout its militarism behind it. Japan is not really held forgiven by any of the nations it wronged, for the sole reason that Japan is not really sorry for having wronged them. Forgiveness requires repentance, and that Japan refuses to do.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:15:06pm |
re: #150 Charles Johnson
Epson Workforce 840 had really good reviews & I'm happy with mine.
No more HP here!
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:15:19pm |
re: #157 Dark_Falcon
Did you see this stuff here:
Vatican orders crackdown on American nuns
The Catholic Church is getting ridiculous. They are trying to squash any internal voices of difference. They care more about bashing than taking care of the least of us.
I am now seriously wondering if the Catholic Church will survive to the end of the century.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:16:31pm |
I heard an interview with this Author about his book today. So kewl. He wanted to trace his Great Grandfather's life while working in a Cotton Mill in Mexico and found more relatives in Mexico than he had in England.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:17:01pm |
re: #164 ProGunLiberal
Did you see this stuff here:
Vatican orders crackdown on American nuns
The Catholic Church is getting ridiculous. They are trying to squash any internal voices of difference. They care more about bashing than taking care of the least of us.
I am now seriously wondering if the Catholic Church will survive to the end of the century.
No Comment.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:18:07pm |
re: #150 Charles Johnson
And, ink cartridges are readily available on overstock dot com....
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:20:09pm |
re: #167 Dancing along the light of day
And, ink cartridges are readily available on overstock dot com...
Or at Walgreens.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:20:32pm |
re: #161 ProGunLiberal
I always that that county would be France.
Although, if you are talking Loyalty, than it is no question. That's Albania.
Nah, historically yes, but I can't see it being the top ally in continental Europe with the trouble we had with them over the Iraq War but I think DeGaulle had some problems with Kennedy.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:22:27pm |
re: #164 ProGunLiberal
I am now seriously wondering if the Catholic Church will survive to the end of the century.
There will always be people who want to pray in a language they can't understand, just like most Muslims do (no offense meant).
However, they can do one thing that will guarantee that they survive in a prominent way; let priest marry and let women be priests.
I don't think Jesus ever said anything against that.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:26:46pm |
re: #133 Obdicut
Fight. When presented with Nazis, choose to fight the Nazis. Don't use your Navy to escort their ships, as Sweden did.
Sweden escorted, protected, fought for, the Nazis?
Care to be specific? Was this before or after many people fled to Sweden to escape the Nazis?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:30:30pm |
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:31:20pm |
re: #170 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
No, he didn't. The current pope is going backwards at such speed it is dizzying. I don't think the Catholic Hierarchy realizes that the number problem they are having is mostly because of the corruption they have, and how disconnected from modern society they are.
I always thought it was a stupid thing that Conservative Religious Organizations can fire at us, but that we can't fire back.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:31:36pm |
re: #139 Dark_Falcon
They had a strong navy too, more than enough to deliver harder blows than the weakened Kriegsmarine could sustain after its losses in Norway.
I suppose one could argue, after the fact, that Sweden attacking Germany early in the war would have resulted in some losses to the Nazis and some dilution of their forces after the first week when they would have had to put troops into Sweden that could be used elsewhere.
Needless to say, the same could have been said of Switzerland, and then there would have been no possible haven at all for escaped allied airmen, or Jews.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:33:20pm |
South Park with a "live action" segment. That was so disturbing. They had adults playing the kids, BTW.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:34:11pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:34:40pm |
re: #175 Learned Mother of Zion
South Park with a "live action" segment. That was so disturbing. They had adults playing the kids, BTW.
I just saw it. I got a kick out of that episode because when I was the age as the boys, I had a zip-lining experience. I remember it being fun but it wasn't with a massive tour group like that. That did show how I felt about skiing the one and only time I went.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:36:05pm |
re: #176 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Those groups that bashed the Matthew Shepard hate crime law, those groups that are trying to kill contraceptive coverage. That kind of thing.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:36:13pm |
re: #177 HappyWarrior
I just saw it. I got a kick out of that episode because when I was the age as the boys, I had a zip-lining experience. I remember it being fun but it wasn't with a massive tour group like that. That did show how I felt about skiing the one and only time I went.
I was thinking that a "live action" South Park would be a cool idea, then I saw this:
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dragonath Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:37:07pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:37:58pm |
re: #173 ProGunLiberal
re: #170 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
No, he didn't. The current pope is going backwards at such speed it is dizzying. I don't think the Catholic Hierarchy realizes that the number problem they are having is mostly because of the corruption they have, and how disconnected from modern society they are.
I always thought it was a stupid thing that Conservative Religious Organizations can fire at us, but that we can't fire back.
He's German, when Germans decide decisive action is needed they tend to move swiftly. It's the 'logic of the central position' taken to a new ideological plane, but still there:
"Our enemies outnumber us and if we give them time they will wear us down and destroy us, so we will strike hard and swiftly. We will smash them before they can mobilize their full strength and use our shreklichkeit to terrify them and reduce resistance."
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HappyWarrior Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:40:08pm |
re: #179 Learned Mother of Zion
I was thinking that a "live action" South Park would be a cool idea, then I saw this:
[Embedded content]
Heh that was weird. I can't imagine it IRL. I remember when Malcolm and the Middle came out, the Fox promos sold it as a live action Simpsons. It just wasn't.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:41:11pm |
re: #181 Dark_Falcon
I think the same way, but Ottoman tendencies to it. I tend to be very vicious about it. While am trying to change that, I admit I get some sort of adrenaline rush out of doing it. It makes it very hard to resist.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:42:38pm |
re: #183 ProGunLiberal
I think the same way, but Ottoman tendencies to it. I tend to be very vicious about it. While am trying to change that, I admit I get some sort of adrenaline rush out of doing it. It makes it very hard to resist.
That is why Germans and Turks made such hard foes to each other.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:45:19pm |
re: #172 Mostly sane, most of the time.
This is the printer the EmmmieG offspring want.
[Link: cubify.com...]
Hahahahahaha...
No.
Science Fiction come true!
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:46:10pm |
re: #171 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Sweden escorted, protected, fought for, the Nazis?
Care to be specific? Was this before or after many people fled to Sweden to escape the Nazis?
I want to add to this aspect, that I assume you are aware, when you as an American retroactively criticize self survival decisions by countries like Sweden, which would have been invaded and occupied within weeks while causing relatively minor damage to the Nazis, that the USA was on the sidelines at that time and with considerable domestic Nazi support.
It took Japan to bring the USA into the war, remember?, not altruistic principles of attack the Nazis regardless of consequences.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:46:56pm |
re: #184 Dark_Falcon
I got the blood of one, and emulate the other. Good combination.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:58:33pm |
So I learned tonight that Robert Bork long ago ruled that a company could demand that its female employees be sterilized or lose their jobs. I did not know that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 18, 2012 8:00:59pm |
re: #188 Oblivious Troll
So I learned tonight that Robert Bork long ago ruled that a company could demand that its female employees be sterilized or lose their jobs. I did not know that.
I need a link on that.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 19, 2012 1:43:56am |
re: #171 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Sweden escorted, protected, fought for, the Nazis?
Care to be specific? Was this before or after many people fled to Sweden to escape the Nazis?
I didn't say they fought for them. I'm not aware of any incidents of the Allies attacking Swedish naval ships escorting Nazi ore ships.
But they did escort them.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 19, 2012 1:44:57am |
re: #186 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
I want to add to this aspect, that I assume you are aware, when you as an American retroactively criticize self survival decisions by countries like Sweden, which would have been invaded and occupied within weeks while causing relatively minor damage to the Nazis, that the USA was on the sidelines at that time and with considerable domestic Nazi support.
Of course I'm aware of that.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize saying that you should fight the Nazis was controversial.
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