Onion: Obama Approval Rating Plunges After Shocking Photos Surface
“He’s just sitting there chewing away, staring off into space”
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 4, 2012 5:56:53pm |
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, May 4, 2012 5:59:57pm |
I'll bet the socialist Kenyan elitist usurper even got arugula and dijon on that samwich!!1!11! Revolution now! We can't wait till November!
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Kragar Fri, May 4, 2012 6:02:04pm |
re: #2 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
I guess that is the photo for the article on the left "Spouse's outburts are hard to take."
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 6:04:14pm |
I got a letter from Scott Walker today asking for money...seeing as he's short on funds, I put all of the propaganda in his request into the "no postage necessary" return envelope so he wouldn't have to print it again and sent it back to him. I feel like I've done my civic duty.
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Interesting Times Fri, May 4, 2012 6:07:18pm |
Think of the treatment Charles has received from certain people, and the creepy (to say the least) undertones in their behavior. Now cue the Twilight Zone music o_O
A creepy old guy(Romney) stalking the POTUS, thats his strategy, stalking and lying? Sound more like a jilted lover than rival— Arrogant Demon (@ArrogantDemon) May 5, 2012
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 6:07:29pm |
Chen escaped from house arrest on a moonless night. He's blind. How did he know it was moonless?
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 4, 2012 6:11:36pm |
re: #8 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
Chen escaped from house arrest on a moonless night. He's blind. How did he know it was moonless?
Somebody told him? He read a braille almanac?
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 6:13:05pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
Somebody told him? He read a braille almanac?
Rachel's covering the story...that detail just popped up on my radar...the funny thing is China's government paper, China Daily, has been ranting against Obama and Mitt Romney is echoing their sentiments...what a tard.
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freetoken Fri, May 4, 2012 6:18:27pm |
As I mentioned downstairs, the Romneys had more grandchildren via IVF and wondered if many GOP would find it sinful. Politico reports:
Tagg Romney has twin boys through surrogate
[...]
Asked whether Mitt Romney had publicly expressed views on IVF or surrogacy, Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul emailed his position on stem cell research. He has repeatedly voiced support for stem cell research using excess embryos from IVF under “appropriate ethical boundaries.”
According to a biography written by a distant Romney relative, Ronald B Scott, a former Time Inc writer, at least three of Mitt Romney’s sons have used in vitro fertilization.
OK, so there is the morality question (and fwiw here is the Holy See's opinion.)
There's another question, though, besides the IVF = destruction_of_humans moral question.
That is, why are Rominee's sons having so many children via IVF. Three sons? Now, I'm not at all judging the practice - I realize that some women cannot carry a pregnancy. But one of his sons, the happy father today, has twice used a surrogate. But the others have not.
The answer lay in the essential nature of Mormonism, and the struggle over polygamy, I think. The idea is to take over the Earth, and the most successful method is simply to have more children than other people. This is why the LDS hasn't officially condemned IVF, though they do so for abortion. The Holy See in Rome is consistent, but the LDS wants to have more babies regardless of coherent positions.
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freetoken Fri, May 4, 2012 6:20:14pm |
I still can't find an avatar I like. Maybe I'll just go with plain white, sort of like painting walls.
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 6:20:47pm |
re: #11 freetoken
In other words, Romney's sons are as unfuckable as he is.
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 6:21:42pm |
re: #12 freetoken
I still can't find an avatar I like. Maybe I'll just go with plain white, sort of like painting walls.
I've been painting walls all day. Plain white isn't so easy to get when you have a brown stripe going around the room you have to cover.
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jaunte Fri, May 4, 2012 6:21:50pm |
I had a braille almanac once, but the font just felt wrong.
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Gus Fri, May 4, 2012 6:24:03pm |
"It has been revealed that America is run by a weak little man who eats big sandwiches alone outside. The time to strike is now. -- Hu Jintao
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 6:24:11pm |
re: #15 jaunte
I had a braille almanac once, but the font just felt wrong.
We have some software for validating 508 compliance (accessibility for the blind) in our applications. It came with a cassette tape for a manual. Who the hell uses cassettes in 2012?
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Mocking Jay Fri, May 4, 2012 6:28:35pm |
re: #11 freetoken
Oh I'm certainly not shaking my stick at that hornet's nest...
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Decatur Deb Fri, May 4, 2012 6:29:09pm |
re: #15 jaunte
I had a braille almanac once, but the font just felt wrong.
re: #17 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
We have some software for validating 508 compliance (accessibility for the blind) in our applications. It came with a cassette tape for a manual. Who the hell uses cassettes in 2012?
Up through the 1970s, the Government Printing Office produced Braille editions of Playboy. Ran into one in a used book store. It was the size of a large road atlas, no pictures. The project was cut for 'economic' reasons in the late 70s or 80s.
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steve_davis Fri, May 4, 2012 6:36:48pm |
re: #17 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
We have some software for validating 508 compliance (accessibility for the blind) in our applications. It came with a cassette tape for a manual. Who the hell uses cassettes in 2012?
Earth Wind & Fire?
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makeitstop Fri, May 4, 2012 6:36:52pm |
re: #20 Decatur Deb
re: #17 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
Up through the 1970s, the Government Printing Office produced Braille editions of Playboy. Ran into one in a used book store. It was the size of a large road atlas, no pictures. The project was cut for 'economic' reasons in the late 70s or 80s.
I remember seeing one of those! Thought it was pretty funny.
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 4, 2012 6:36:54pm |
My greenhouse is already over producing for me. Once it gets going it will probably feed a family of 3-4 with little supplement. I've arranged for a produce-egg swap with a neighbor who owns ducks. The rest will go to the Plant a Row Program I stopped by my nearest donation center this afternoon. Nice folks doing good things.
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 4, 2012 6:40:58pm |
Produce donation to the Obama campaign: Dog Tree
[Link: imgur.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 6:49:03pm |
re: #6 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
I got a letter from Scott Walker today asking for money...seeing as he's short on funds, I put all of the propaganda in his request into the "no postage necessary" return envelope so he wouldn't have to print it again and sent it back to him. I feel like I've done my civic duty.
It's OK, my dad made an extra donation that more than made up for you. And I plan to donate to Gov. Walker after I get paid next week.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 6:50:10pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
My greenhouse is already over producing for me. Once it gets going it will probably feed a family of 3-4 with little supplement. I've arranged for a produce-egg swap with a neighbor who owns ducks. The rest will go to the Plant a Row Program I stopped by my nearest donation center this afternoon. Nice folks doing good things.
The beginning of trade, replicated in miniature. Bravo, Killgore.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, May 4, 2012 6:53:16pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
It's OK, my dad made an extra donation that more than made up for you. And I plan to donate to Gov. Walker after I get paid next week.
LOL, the state that lost both the most private sector jobs and jobs overall in the last twelve months and you're like "that's some quality governing, let me reward!"
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 6:55:03pm |
re: #27 goddamnedfrank
LOL, the state that lost both the most private sector jobs and jobs overall in the last twelve months and you're like "that's some quality governing, let me reward!"
Their unemployment rate is now lower than it has been since 2008. Things are getting better there, and they'd have gotten better faster if it had not been for this recall.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 6:56:24pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
My greenhouse is already over producing for me. Once it gets going it will probably feed a family of 3-4 with little supplement. I've arranged for a produce-egg swap with a neighbor who owns ducks. The rest will go to the Plant a Row Program I stopped by my nearest donation center this afternoon. Nice folks doing good things.
Preparing for the coming zombie apocalypse, are we?
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 4, 2012 6:57:34pm |
re: #29 Targetpractice
Preparing for the coming zombie apocalypse, are we?
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No need for the sarc tags. Yes.
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Interesting Times Fri, May 4, 2012 6:59:30pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
It's OK, my dad made an extra donation that more than made up for you. And I plan to donate to Gov. Walker after I get paid next week.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 6:59:37pm |
This t-shirt has been a big seller at the NBC Store in the NBC Tower in Chicago. From what the man who runs the store tells me, the biggest buyers are Chicago and state police. For you, Killgore:
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 4, 2012 7:00:39pm |
re: #26 Dark_Falcon
The beginning of trade, replicated in miniature. Bravo, Killgore.
I've been wondering what to do with my outdoor garden now that most of my food needs are served by the greenhouse. This gives me an excuse to continue producing food outdoors as long as someone is going to eat it.
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dragonath Fri, May 4, 2012 7:01:21pm |
re: #11 freetoken
I was kinda expecting his kids names to be something like Zapp or Fuzz or something suitably Romney sounding.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:03:37pm |
re: #34 Be Zorch, Daddio
I was kinda expecting his kids names to be something like Zapp or Fuzz or something suitably Romney sounding.
You're thinking of the Palin family (where the father of Bristol's son is planning to name his second child after the Beretta pistol). Mitt Romney is a good bit more up-market.
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wrenchwench Fri, May 4, 2012 7:06:50pm |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
This t-shirt has been a big seller at the NBC Store in the NBC Tower in Chicago. From what the man who runs the store tells me, the biggest buyers are Chicago and state police. For you, Killgore:
I was in Joliet during the Democratic Convention in 1968. My aunt went to Chicago. My gramma was worried sick. That t-shirt is in poor taste despite the accuracy. Or maybe because of it.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:07:47pm |
Two big elections over the weekend:
One, in France. I am rooting for Hollande to win, as it sounds like he will try to give more leeway to the minority languages, even though will run into opposition in the Constitutional Court and the Academie Francaise.
And in Greece, the fascist Golden Dawn will capture a number of seats, more in percent terms than what happened in Sweden a few years ago.. Seems right for Greece, a nation that assisted in 2 Genocides during my time in Elementary School, and obstructed NATO's ability to do something about it.
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dragonath Fri, May 4, 2012 7:08:19pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
You know it's bad when you're giving Baby Bonnie Hood a run for her money.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:14:07pm |
re: #37 ProGunLiberal
Two big elections over the weekend:
One, in France. I am rooting for Hollande to win, as it sounds like he will try to give more leeway to the minority languages, even though will run into opposition in the Constitutional Court and the Academie Francaise.
And in Greece, the fascist Golden Dawn will capture a number of seats, more in percent terms than what happened in Sweden a few years ago.. Seems right for Greece, a nation that assisted in 2 Genocides during my time in Elementary School, and obstructed NATO's ability to do something about it.
Don't root for Hollande. His ideas of increasing spending in France would be disastrous. France needs market-based reforms, not the government spending money it doesn't really have.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 7:15:07pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
Don't root for Hollande. His ideas of increasing spending in France would be disastrous. France needs market-based reforms, not the government spending money it doesn't really have.
"Market-based reforms"?
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:16:04pm |
re: #37 ProGunLiberal
Here's twist:
Doing a little research, alot of those who went and helped in the Genocide become influential in the Golden Dawn.
Screw Greece so much.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:17:18pm |
re: #36 wrenchwench
I was in Joliet during the Democratic Convention in 1968. My aunt went to Chicago. My gramma was worried sick. That t-shirt is in poor taste despite the accuracy. Or maybe because of it.
The cops aren't concerned with taste, they just don't like leftist protestors. Now, the good news is that this summit won't be anything like 1968:
1. For all the crap the Occupy crowd puts out, they are order-of-magnitude less violent than the protestors back in 1968 were.
2. The Chicago and state police are much better equipped and trained this time to deal with a hostile crowd without large scale violence.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:18:48pm |
re: #40 Targetpractice
"Market-based reforms"?
Reforms based on making it easier for people to start businesses and making it more cost effective for businesses to add workers.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:19:03pm |
re: #41 ProGunLiberal
Here's twist:
Doing a little research, alot of those who went and helped in the Genocide become influential in the Golden Dawn.
Screw Greece so much.
Concur.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 7:19:24pm |
re: #43 Dark_Falcon
Reforms based on making it easier for people to start businesses and making it more cost effective for businesses to add workers.
Such as?
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wrenchwench Fri, May 4, 2012 7:21:34pm |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
The cops aren't concerned with taste, they just don't like leftist protestors. Now, the good news is that this summit won't be anything like 1968:
1. For all the crap the Occupy crowd puts out, they are order-of-magnitude less violent than the protestors back in 1968 were.
2. The Chicago and state police are much better equipped and trained this time to deal with a hostile crowd without large scale violence.
Number two is true, so the fixed number one looks like this:
1. For all the crap the
Occupy crowdt-shirt makers putsout, theycops are order-of-magnitude less violent than theprotestorscops back in 1968 were.
Cops should also not care whether the protesters are leftist, rightist, or none of the above.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:21:35pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
Market-based reforms have failed everywhere. Look what happened to Iceland, and so many other nations. Time to go to Mixed Economies. Scandinavia is what we are aiming for.
Some things cannot be handled by the markets. Like utilities and water. I would argue Health Insurance too. Hell, considering the insurance debacle after Katrina, I wouldn't mind a national insurance program.
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
The only reason I want to do anything about Greece is because I don't want Europe, and by extension, the world's economy dragged down by it.
But I don't mind the measures occurring. To me, they are little more than sanctions against their depravity in the 90's they never got punished for.
Fun Fact: Greece, Serbia, and Pakistan are the most Anti-American Nations on the planet according to Polling.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 7:21:54pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
Austerity is a failure. Reject Ayn Rand faith-based economics. Look at the evidence around you. Stop believing in things just because someone told you. Think critically.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:23:41pm |
re: #45 Targetpractice
Such as?
Reducing taxes on businesses that hire new workers, might be a start.
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compound_Idaho Fri, May 4, 2012 7:23:54pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
My greenhouse is already over producing for me. Once it gets going it will probably feed a family of 3-4 with little supplement. I've arranged for a produce-egg swap with a neighbor who owns ducks. The rest will go to the Plant a Row Program I stopped by my nearest donation center this afternoon. Nice folks doing good things.
Don't forget to keep records so you can pay your fair share of taxes. The feds consider what you receive in a barter trade as income even if just for personal needs.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 7:24:40pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
Reducing taxes on businesses that hire new workers, might be a start.
Is this the point where we argue whether tax cuts count as spending or not?
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:26:24pm |
re: #50 compound_Idaho
How much is a potato worth to the feds?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:26:35pm |
re: #46 wrenchwench
Number two is true, so the fixed number one looks like this:
Cops should also not care whether the protesters are leftist, rightist, or none of the above.
Number one works fine as was. The protestors in 1968 were violent, and in New York and Chicago the vast majority of Occupy crowd has not been violent.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:27:05pm |
re: #51 Targetpractice
Is this the point where we argue whether tax cuts count as spending or not?
I dunno, maybe.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 4, 2012 7:28:09pm |
Corporations don't need more tax breaks. They have all the loopholes they need.
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dragonath Fri, May 4, 2012 7:28:52pm |
re: #41 ProGunLiberal
That'd be like saying "Screw America because of John Yoo". Unfortunately they're gonna be around for a long time.
The thing I have a hard time understanding his how Turkey still has a lot of opprobrium held against it for what happened in Cyprus. Granted, I don't know a whole lot about the politics there, but the invasion was started by a coup instigated by the Greek military dictatorship.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 7:30:23pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
I dunno, maybe.
Well then, let's try to cut to the chase. How do you expect business tax cuts to generate jobs when nobody has any money to spend?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:31:06pm |
re: #56 Be Zorch, Daddio
That'd be like saying "Screw Amercia for John Yoo". Unfortunately they're gonna be around for a long time.
The thing I have a hard time understanding his how Turkey still has a lot of opprobrium held against it for what happened in Cyprus. Granted, I don't know a whole lot about the politics there, but the invasion was started by a coup instigated by the Greek military dictatorship.
Much of it has to do with the way the Turks drove out the Greek Cypriots as they advanced and then have refused to leave and allow the island to be reunified, to the point of shipping in thousands of Turks over the years.
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wrenchwench Fri, May 4, 2012 7:33:42pm |
Later, lizards.
Image: funny-cat-pictures-cats-are-so-maintanance-intensive.jpg
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:34:22pm |
re: #57 Targetpractice
Well then, let's try to cut to the chase. How do you expect business tax cuts to generate jobs when nobody has any money to spend?
The people who are currently employed have money and making it easier to hire workers will generate revenue over time, as opposed to social spending funded by new taxes, which mostly eats wealth instead of generating it.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 7:37:37pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
The people who are currently employed have money and making it easier to hire workers will generate revenue over time, as opposed to social spending funded by new taxes, which mostly eats wealth instead of generating it.
We don't need wealth generated, we need it passed around. You want those businesses to start putting on jobs, they gotta have customers with money to spend. Slashing social spending to afford even deeper tax cuts isn't going to accomplish that.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:37:46pm |
re: #56 Be Zorch, Daddio
Eh, I side with Turkey over Greece.
Doing more research, I realize just how truly bizarre the Bosnian War was.
Serbia had support of Greece, Russia, and other Orthodox nations.
Croatia had the support of Neo-Nazis, and hyper-radical Catholics.
And the weird one, Bosnians had the support of NATO and the Muslim World, meaning that the US and Iranian Revolutionary Guard were on the same side. Bosnian Records indicate that several hundred Revolutionary Guards shipped into that Warzone.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:38:46pm |
re: #61 Targetpractice
Which is exactly the problem in most of Europe right now. Though, again, real hard to feel sympathy for Greece.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 4, 2012 7:41:23pm |
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 7:41:25pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
Explain how 'social funding' eats wealth.
For example, food stamps: Food stamps are given to a person who is living at the poverty line. This means this person spends that food stamp income on food at a store. That income goes to the supermarket, and part is passed along to the shipping companies, distributors, farmers. Most of it will stay in-country. With the income freed up from necessities, the poverty-level person may be able to afford a cheap used car, or a bus pass, and be more able to find employment. Alternately, they might just be able to make rent, and not be homeless, in which case they cost money in terms of taking up resourced in a shelter if lucky, and police resources if not.
Explain what part of that scenario 'eats wealth', please.
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b_sharp Fri, May 4, 2012 7:45:17pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
Reducing taxes on businesses that hire new workers, might be a start.
Without the tax break being directly tied to hiring, what is the real likelihood the businesses will hire new workers, especially if there is no increased demand for their services.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:46:29pm |
re: #62 ProGunLiberal
Eh, I side with Turkey over Greece.
Doing more research, I realize just how truly bizarre the Bosnian War was.
Serbia had support of Greece, Russia, and other Orthodox nations.
Croatia had the support of Neo-Nazis, and hyper-radical Catholics.And the weird one, Bosnians had the support of NATO and the Muslim World, meaning that the US and Iranian Revolutionary Guard were on the same side. Bosnian Records indicate that several hundred Revolutionary Guards shipped into that Warzone.
Although if the Mahdi Army failure at Najaf in 2004 is any guide (Al-Sadr's force had Iranian advisers), the Iranian RG influence might well have been a negative for the Bosnians. The 'Pasadran' (as the Revolutionary Guard is sometimes called in Iran) tended to favor frontal assaults that let the US(and likely the Serbs before them) used superior firepower to simply blow away the attacking enemy.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:49:18pm |
re: #68 Dark_Falcon
Still somewhat bizarre. Bosnians had alot of people behind them that almost never cooperate. Though, just 6 years after the Bosnian War, us and Iran did a fantastic one-two punch to take Herat.
If it weren't for hardliners on both sides in the months after 9/11, we may have had much different world today.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:49:22pm |
re: #66 Obdicut
Explain how 'social funding' eats wealth.
For example, food stamps: Food stamps are given to a person who is living at the poverty line. This means this person spends that food stamp income on food at a store. That income goes to the supermarket, and part is passed along to the shipping companies, distributors, farmers. Most of it will stay in-country. With the income freed up from necessities, the poverty-level person may be able to afford a cheap used car, or a bus pass, and be more able to find employment. Alternately, they might just be able to make rent, and not be homeless, in which case they cost money in terms of taking up resourced in a shelter if lucky, and police resources if not.
Explain what part of that scenario 'eats wealth', please.
I wasn't talking about food stamps, I was talking about Hollande's desire for increased spending on more expansive programs, paid for with new taxes.
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dragonath Fri, May 4, 2012 7:49:46pm |
re: #62 ProGunLiberal
It's kind of a bummer that that the so called "Annan Plan" to reunify the island didn't go through. The North voted for it but the South didn't.
Unforunately, Turkey doesn't exactly have a great history with any of its neighbors (an understatement!), and Greek Nationalism didn't exactly make a whole lot of friends either.
(FUN FACT: Kemal Ataturk's birthplace is a national museum in Greece!)
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goddamnedfrank Fri, May 4, 2012 7:52:05pm |
re: #70 Dark_Falcon
I wasn't talking about food stamps, I was talking about Hollande's desire for increased spending on more expansive programs, paid for with new taxes.
Could you be less specific?
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Varek Raith Fri, May 4, 2012 7:52:59pm |
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:53:59pm |
re: #71 Be Zorch, Daddio
Yeah, Turkey's hyper-nationalism is idiotic.
The Turkish hyper-nationalism caused (combined with the Assad-like rule of Abdulhamid II) the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the Orthodox Genocides of World War I.
I think if the Ottoman Empire had not been possessed my Hyper-Nationalism and a military Dictatorship, we might not have had the issue with Salafi Radicals.
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b_sharp Fri, May 4, 2012 7:55:52pm |
re: #70 Dark_Falcon
I wasn't talking about food stamps, I was talking about Hollande's desire for increased spending on more expansive programs, paid for with new taxes.
Work it out, track the flow of that money through the local economy. Don't just assume new taxes equate to higher unemployment.
Go through history and look at the causes for the major recessions and depressions and compare those causes to tax increases as trigger. Check times when the economy has boomed and the causes, and compare those causes with any immediately preceding tax changes.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:56:25pm |
re: #74 ProGunLiberal
Yeah, Turkey's hyper-nationalism is idiotic.
The Turkish hyper-nationalism caused (combined with the Assad-like rule of Abdulhamid II) the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the Orthodox Genocides of World War I.
I think if the Ottoman Empire had not been possessed my Hyper-Nationalism and a military Dictatorship, we might not have had the issue with Salafi Radicals.
Given the nationalism of its subject peoples, Turkish Nationalism in the Ottoman Empire was inevitable.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 7:57:13pm |
re: #70 Dark_Falcon
I wasn't talking about food stamps, I was talking about Hollande's desire for increased spending on more expansive programs, paid for with new taxes.
Most of the programs that you'd call 'social program's have a similar operation. The increased spending is mainly domestic, and circulates in the economy. No wealth is destroyed.
Give an example of wealth being eaten by increased spending.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 7:58:49pm |
re: #75 Obvious Reveal
The point of my #70 was to get the food stamps point off the table quickly. I spent a good deal of time differentiating myself from Newt Gingrich during Newt's "food stamps" dog-whistles earlier this year.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 7:59:12pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
Maybe, but they didn't have to try being Proto-Third Reich. The way they acted in the first two decades of the 20th Century were eerily similar to Nazi Germany.
And Nations can survive with in large states. Look at Spain, or the UK. Or Canada or India.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:00:41pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
Then give a specific example, please. Like, perhaps, increased education, which raises the wages of the person and makes it easier for companies to hire workers that they need. Or perhaps increased health care for the poor, which enables them to take fewer days sick off work and increases productivity while they're there. In both those cases, of course, again the spending goes right back into the domestic economy.
Please give an example of spending that 'eats wealth'.
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b_sharp Fri, May 4, 2012 8:03:30pm |
re: #81 Obdicut
Then give a specific example, please. Like, perhaps, increased education, which raises the wages of the person and makes it easier for companies to hire workers that they need. Or perhaps increased health care for the poor, which enables them to take fewer days sick off work and increases productivity while they're there. In both those cases, of course, again the spending goes right back into the domestic economy.
Please give an example of spending that 'eats wealth'.
Spending that goes into the pockets of wealthy people who do not reinvest it in growing businesses.
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dragonath Fri, May 4, 2012 8:04:13pm |
re: #80 ProGunLiberal
You must be referring to the "Megali Idea"?
The Ottomans really didn't have to go out they way they did. They got more and more radical as time went on...
Here's an interesting wiki page on a Shiite sect in Turkey that has been one of the strongest supporters of secularism in the Turkish state (and some of the most consistent opponents of the current goverment). Not something you would really expect to be in the middle of Anatolia.
Of course, the fundies hate them too.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 8:06:37pm |
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 8:07:09pm |
re: #86 ggt
Socialist Kitty using someone else's heat because he's too lazy to make his own?
:0
"That's a funny lookin' wart you got there, Jerry."
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:08:06pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
Does the fact that you can't immediately name something-- whereas it was easy for me to name three cases where government 'social spending' doesn't eat wealth, but rather, in one case is at least neutral, and in the others creates wealth-- doesn't that indicate anything to you?
Maybe you'd like to think about increased infrastructure spending, which increases reliability of transport for businesses, increases safety, etc. In that case-- in any large construction projects-- money flows out to China because they're doing so much of the steel these days, but that's hardly the government's fault. But other than that, it's the same formula.
Maybe you want to consider increased government spending on basic science, which has an incalculably large return. Almost every single amazing technology we have today started out in a government or government-funded lab. Computers, the internet, modern pharmacology, all of this has its basis in government spending. Private industry has a huge role to play in mass-producing and productizing these discoveries, but without the basic science-- which companies don't invest heavily in-- we'd be nowhere.
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b_sharp Fri, May 4, 2012 8:08:08pm |
re: #86 ggt
Socialist Kitty using someone else's heat because he's too lazy to make his own?
:0
He's a sinister cat.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 8:09:20pm |
re: #83 Be Zorch, Daddio
Yeah. Alot of it is the fault of Abdulmecid II. He was more-or-less the first example of the proto-typical Military Strongman in the Middle East.
The Ottoman Empire had a good history before it too. The protection of the Protestants, one of the Protestant allies (the first one in fact) during the 30 Years War. The first state confront Radical Islam, in the form of the First Saudi State.
Which makes what happened at the end so much worse.
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b_sharp Fri, May 4, 2012 8:09:48pm |
re: #89 Obdicut
Does the fact that you can't immediately name something-- whereas it was easy for me to name three cases where government 'social spending' doesn't eat wealth, but rather, in one case is at least neutral, and in the others creates wealth-- doesn't that indicate anything to you?
Maybe you'd like to think about increased infrastructure spending, which increases reliability of transport for businesses, increases safety, etc. In that case-- in any large construction projects-- money flows out to China because they're doing so much of the steel these days, but that's hardly the government's fault. But other than that, it's the same formula.
Maybe you want to consider increased government spending on basic science, which has an incalculably large return. Almost every single amazing technology we have today started out in a government or government-funded lab. Computers, the internet, modern pharmacology, all of this has its basis in government spending. Private industry has a huge role to play in mass-producing and productizing these discoveries, but without the basic science-- which companies don't invest heavily in-- we'd be nowhere.
Quoted because the point is important.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:10:00pm |
re: #89 Obdicut
If I posted too quickly and in so doing gotten facts wrong, you'd have jumped all over me. I'd rather try to get things right and avoid that.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:11:23pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
His part on the reason housing prices rose is obvious bullshit. And most of what he talks about is just complaints about wasteful spending, which occurs in both governmental and private spending. Please give an actual example of social spending that eats wealth. You, yourself, give it.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 8:11:59pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
Mass Transit is a natural monopoly, as it is incredibly difficult for competition to develop.
One area where government should own. Because Private Companies cannot be trusted to not hike prices to the sky. Or, the issue with GM and the Street Cars. That guy just sounds like someone who wants Status Quo, which isn't working.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 8:12:04pm |
re: #95 Ghost of Tom Joad
Kinda sad that the troll has a point, how the frak does Romney expect to get taken seriously when he takes 3 days to get around to waving a finger at a guy like Fischer?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:13:58pm |
re: #98 Targetpractice
Kinda sad that the troll has a point, how the frak does Romney expect to get taken seriously when he takes 3 days to get around to waving a finger at a guy like Fischer?
The Norks can't undermine Romney's base of political support, Fischer can.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 8:14:38pm |
On a new train of thought, why does the French Constitutional Court and the Academie Francaise get so worked up over regional languages. It seems incredibly stupid.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 8:14:40pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
The Norks can't undermine Romney's base of political support, Fischer can and likely will.
If Fischer is the guy who Romney has to tip-toe around to keep the base on his side, then he's screwed.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:15:55pm |
re: #94 Dark_Falcon
If I posted too quickly and in so doing gotten facts wrong, you'd have jumped all over me. I'd rather try to get things right and avoid that.
But you should be able to name something off the top of your head. A social spending program that eats wealth. I can name a bunch of programs that eat wealth, like subsidies for fossil fuels. I can name others that eat wealth but are, at least to a certain extent, worth it-- like paying for the Armed Forces, or for the police. But those aren't social programs.
The fact that you can't think of anything really, really, really ought to make you stop and think about your economic theories, and make you re-evaluate them.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:18:06pm |
re: #100 ProGunLiberal
On a new train of thought, why does the French Constitutional Courst the Academie Francaise get so worked up over regional languages. It seems incredibly stupid.
The French state has in modern times very much considered itself the protector of the French language and part of that protection is keeping it centralized, without a multitude of patois.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:19:24pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
By the way, that author is kind of ridiculous.
The federal government could also give cities incentives to build express toll roads that charge a premium for usage, alleviating congestion on free roads.
Where the fuck do you put the express toll road in a city? It's a city. Is he proposing we level a ton of buildings and make cross-city toll highways? What about when the demographics of the city shift and the roads no longer service the right areas?
That's one of the dumber ideas I've ever heard to reduce congestion. There would be the same number of cars; congestion could only go down if you built more roads. Anywhere that has a congestion problem has property far too valuable to make into new roads unless vitally necessary, and if you did make it into new roads making them toll would do nothing more to reduce congestion than not making them toll.
That's a really bizarre, obvious mistake for that guy to make. Why do you like him?
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 8:20:54pm |
re: #103 Dark_Falcon
Eh, why?
I mean, French is univerally understood in the country. All I see is a misguided nationalism to try and destroy the regional groups. Do they actually think that allowing the regional languages a place will cause France to disintegrate And languages change.
Granted English the most extreme example, but still.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:21:29pm |
re: #102 Obdicut
Obdi, I get yelled at a lot here lately, and I don't like it. I'm not a liberal and the fact I'm always on the defensive makes things unfun for me. As a result, I'm in a bunker mentality and I try to avoid much of anything "off the top of my head". Because if its at all wrong I get downdinged and buried under a pile of hostile replies.
So sorry it took me a while, but that's just how it is.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:22:02pm |
re: #105 ProGunLiberal
French used to be spoken by only 20% of the population in France back in the 1700s. It took a concerted government effort (which started back in 1516 or so) to get it to really be a national language. I think the hyperosity of the academie stems from that.
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erik_t Fri, May 4, 2012 8:22:11pm |
Good friend at [ALMA MATER REDACTED], the guy who checked me into the dorm freshman year and was the math and physics tutor for the floor, just had his girlfriend die in some damned car wreck.
Various (usually right-wing) subjects can now describe to me how God has a plan, or whatever.
Fuck that. This universe has serious defects and I demand a refund.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:22:19pm |
re: #105 ProGunLiberal
Eh, why?
I mean, French is univerally understood in the country. All I see is a misguided nationalism to try and destroy the regional groups. And languages change.
Granted English the most extreme example, but still.
Read up on it, PLL. I'm not prepared to comment on it in detail.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:22:40pm |
re: #107 Obdicut
French used to be spoken by only 20% of the population in France back in the 1700s. It took a concerted government effort (which started back in 1516 or so) to get it to really be a national language. I think the hyperosity of the academie stems from that.
Thank you for that.
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BishopX Fri, May 4, 2012 8:25:10pm |
re: #102 Obdicut
I'm a little uncomfortable with the whole "if you can't name examples of bad government spending your argument is hollow" approach. My standard response to arguments about government waste is accede that there are plenty of wasteful, badly managed government programs, but that doesn't negate the existence of good government programs. Arguing that government spending isn't bad is simple, just point to a good government program (e.g. food stamps).
Arguing that government spending is good on the other hand requires a higher burden of proof, you need to prove the existence of good programs and demonstrate that they're more likely to be a positive net investment than the equivalent amount of money spent in the private sector, or that government spending is doing something that the private sector can't.
None of that is disproven by the existence of a wasteful government program.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:26:20pm |
re: #106 Dark_Falcon
Obdi, I get yelled at a lot here lately, and I don't like it. I'm not a liberal and the fact I'm always on the defensive makes things unfun for me. As a result, I'm in a bunker mentality and I try to avoid much of anything "off the top of my head". Because if its at all wrong I get downdinged and buried under a pile of hostile replies.
So sorry it took me a while, but that's just how it is.
It took you more than awhile; you haven't produced anything yet. You produced an article of highly dubious quality that I immediately found a massive flaw in. Unless I missed a post, you haven't yet answered the challenge.
So far, very few of the self-professed fiscal conservatives I've met can do so, either. The most that I've been given is people who think rehabilitative programs don't work (demonstrably false, but arguable), funding for arts and aesthetic building programs-- which I can agree with dryly, but if that eats wealth than a lot of what we consider 'wealth', like movies, TV, fashion, isn't actually wealth. The most real example, one that I'll happily give you, is that government spending on health care often eats wealth because money is spent on the health of those who are too old to be productive. However, I think taking care of the elderly is one of the moral obligations of society.
In the end, we are a society, and it's very hard to help out a member of our society without benefiting the whole.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 4, 2012 8:27:08pm |
re: #107 Obdicut
So...this goes back to issues from hundreds of years ago, and they are still stuck there?
The French Language won over the regional languages, and France is so interconnected nowadays that French will continue to remain dominant. I think French is spoken by approximately 100% of the French nowadays.
Time to let go of complex there, Academie Francaise.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:29:45pm |
re: #114 ProGunLiberal
So...this goes back to issues from hundreds of years ago, and they are still stuck there?
The French Language won over the regional languages, and France is so interconnected nowadays that French will continue to remain dominant. I think French is spoken by approximately 100% of the French nowadays.
Time to let go of complex there, Academie Francaise.
American attitudes towards the use of the military to deal with civil unrest are still influenced by the depredations of Oliver Cromwell's New Model Army. Cultural traits borne of great stress or great efforts are often very long lived, long after the challenge they arose to meet is over.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:30:14pm |
re: #112 BishopX
I'm a little uncomfortable with the whole "if you can't name examples of bad government spending your argument is hollow" approach. My standard response to arguments about government waste is accede that there are plenty of wasteful, badly managed government programs, but that doesn't negate the existence of good government programs.
I'm not talking about government waste, though, but the concept of government social spending eating wealth by its nature. Obviously there are wasteful programs.
Arguing that government spending is good on the other hand requires a higher burden of proof, you need to prove the existence of good programs and demonstrate that they're more likely to be a positive net investment than the equivalent amount of money spent in the private sector,
I'm sorry, this isn't true. First of all, you can't ascertain whether that amount of money would be spent in the private sector. Second of all, again, we're not talking about the programs being wasteful or not, because waste isn't unique to government-- private companies are highly wasteful. I'm not asserting anything hand-wavey. The outputs I'm talking about are real, they exist.
If all you mean is that government spending may not find the optimal utilitarian utilization of wealth, then sure. But private spending definitely won't, either.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 8:32:00pm |
re: #11 freetoken
As I mentioned downstairs, the Romneys had more grandchildren via IVF and wondered if many GOP would find it sinful. Politico reports:
Tagg Romney has twin boys through surrogate
OK, so there is the morality question (and fwiw here is the Holy See's opinion.)
There's another question, though, besides the IVF = destruction_of_humans moral question.
That is, why are Rominee's sons having so many children via IVF. Three sons? Now, I'm not at all judging the practice - I realize that some women cannot carry a pregnancy. But one of his sons, the happy father today, has twice used a surrogate. But the others have not.
The answer lay in the essential nature of Mormonism, and the struggle over polygamy, I think. The idea is to take over the Earth, and the most successful method is simply to have more children than other people. This is why the LDS hasn't officially condemned IVF, though they do so for abortion. The Holy See in Rome is consistent, but the LDS wants to have more babies regardless of coherent positions.
"The essential nature" of Mormonism is that they want to take over the earth?
Weren't we having this conversation a tick about about Islam?
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b_sharp Fri, May 4, 2012 8:32:09pm |
re: #106 Dark_Falcon
Obdi, I get yelled at a lot here lately, and I don't like it. I'm not a liberal and the fact I'm always on the defensive makes things unfun for me. As a result, I'm in a bunker mentality and I try to avoid much of anything "off the top of my head". Because if its at all wrong I get downdinged and buried under a pile of hostile replies.
So sorry it took me a while, but that's just how it is.
D_F, I have no interest in down dinging you or piling on, all I want is for you to think beyond an apparent, rather rigid, blind spot when it comes to what is basically libertine economics.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:32:26pm |
re: #114 ProGunLiberal
So...this goes back to issues from hundreds of years ago, and they are still stuck there?
No, that's not what I said.
Time to let go of complex there, Academie Francaise.
It's difficult for English-speakers to really comprehend other languages, because most other languages have tiny vocabularies compared to English. I think it makes us think that having more words is obviously better. I like having all the words we do, but I'm not sure it's obviously better.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 8:34:02pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
You're thinking of the Palin family (where the father of Bristol's son is planning to name his second child after the Beretta pistol). Mitt Romney is a good bit more up-market.
He and his new girlfriend, Sunny Oglesby, are expecting after Sunny forgot to bring her birth control during a weekend escape to a hunting cabin.
It's not that these things don't happen. It's that when these things happen, you don't inform the Daily Mail.
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freetoken Fri, May 4, 2012 8:35:12pm |
re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist
Heh, you can call me an essentialist.
In the case of Mormonism, part of their doctrine (as I understand it) is that in the afterlife the couple(s) remain married, and enjoy eternal bliss (ahem...) as well as the companionship of their children.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:35:21pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
He and his new girlfriend, Sunny Oglesby, are expecting after Sunny forgot to bring her birth control during a weekend escape to a hunting cabin.
It's not that these things don't happen. It's that when these things happen, you don't inform the Daily Mail.
Yes, but a jackass looking for the spotlight might, v that is. Assholes think differently than those here, SFZ, when they think at all.
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jaunte Fri, May 4, 2012 8:36:56pm |
re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist
"The essential nature" of Mormonism is that they want to take over the earth?
I think that was Sherwin-Williams.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 4, 2012 8:37:55pm |
re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist
"The essential nature" of Mormonism is that they want to take over the earth?
Weren't we having this conversation a tick about about Islam?
We're running out of people to take casseroles to. We need more.
Take that chicken and broccoli casserole voluntarily, or we'll have to find a way to force it on you.
Or...maybe we just really like children. At the scout camporee send off, one of my son's twelve year old friends was carrying around his baby brother, showing him off. This was a twelve year old boy, not girl.
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Obdicut Fri, May 4, 2012 8:39:22pm |
re: #121 freetoken
There may be some devout of the Mormon church who want to 'take over the world', but I suspect the vast majority of them are just peeps, you know?
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b_sharp Fri, May 4, 2012 8:39:40pm |
re: #108 erik_t
Good friend at [ALMA MATER REDACTED], the guy who checked me into the dorm freshman year and was the math and physics tutor for the floor, just had his girlfriend die in some damned car wreck.
Various (usually right-wing) subjects can now describe to me how God has a plan, or whatever.
Fuck that. This universe has serious defects and I demand a refund.
My condolences, friend.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 8:43:20pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
He and his new girlfriend, Sunny Oglesby, are expecting after Sunny forgot to bring her birth control during a weekend escape to a hunting cabin.
It's not that these things don't happen. It's that when these things happen, you don't inform the Daily Mail.
First of all, this is way TMI for anyone to disclose. Like the kid get's to read the news clippings later in life and found out he was born because his parents were horny and lazy?
Second --why was it only Sunny's responsibility to bring the Contraception --it's her fault?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 8:44:03pm |
re: #124 Mostly sane, most of the time.
We're running out of people to take casseroles to. We need more.
Take that chicken and broccoli casserole voluntarily, or we'll have to find a way to force it on you.
Or...maybe we just really like children. At the scout camporee send off, one of my son's twelve year old friends was carrying around his baby brother, showing him off. This was a twelve year old boy, not girl.
IT'S A CASSEROLE CONSPIRACY!!!!!
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dragonath Fri, May 4, 2012 8:44:22pm |
re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a cool piece of religious iconography that goes along with the concept: The "Globus Cruciger"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 8:44:49pm |
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 8:45:06pm |
re: #124 Mostly sane, most of the time.
We're running out of people to take casseroles to. We need more.
Take that chicken and broccoli casserole voluntarily, or we'll have to find a way to force it on you.
Or...maybe we just really like children. At the scout camporee send off, one of my son's twelve year old friends was carrying around his baby brother, showing him off. This was a twelve year old boy, not girl.
*perks up* Chicken and broccoli, you say?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 4, 2012 8:46:22pm |
re: #131 Targetpractice
*perks up* Chicken and broccoli, you say?
It involved curry and Campbell's cream of something soup. It was around a lot in the 90's.
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palomino Fri, May 4, 2012 8:46:53pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
It's OK, my dad made an extra donation that more than made up for you. And I plan to donate to Gov. Walker after I get paid next week.
Donating to a homophobic misogynist makes you proud?
Your party is now a church, does that make you proud too?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 4, 2012 8:47:21pm |
Sorry, but my narcolepsy is getting bad tonight. I've got to turn in. Good night.
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Targetpractice Fri, May 4, 2012 8:47:33pm |
re: #132 Mostly sane, most of the time.
It involved curry and Campbell's cream of something soup. It was around a lot in the 90's.
You know, I've never tried curry. Grew up on a meat and potatoes diet.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 4, 2012 8:48:51pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
You know, I've never tried curry. Grew up on a meat and potatoes diet.
I am very certain that somewhere on the web is a recipe that involves meat, potatoes, and curry.
It's a big web.
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freetoken Fri, May 4, 2012 8:49:12pm |
re: #125 Obdicut
There may be some devout of the Mormon church who want to 'take over the world', but I suspect the vast majority of them are just peeps, you know?
I suppose one could make a similar argument for most everyone on the planet in whatever situation they find themselves.
Yet, this idea of Celestial Marriages is a real doctrine of Mormonism, and like several other religions the emphasis on having a large number of children becomes quite consuming.
Marriage is a central doctrine, in general, to many religions. However, other than a few misc. Christian/pseudo-Christian cults, I know of no other religion that emphasizes the family, and a large family, than Mormonism.
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 8:50:18pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
It's OK, my dad made an extra donation that more than made up for you. And I plan to donate to Gov. Walker after I get paid next week.
I would expect nothing less from you.
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jaunte Fri, May 4, 2012 8:50:40pm |
re: #136 Mostly sane, most of the time.
"About 19,600 results"
[Link: www.google.com...]
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palomino Fri, May 4, 2012 8:53:09pm |
re: #139 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
I would expect nothing less from you.
Pretty sad, really...he seems to think the gop is still a political party. It's become a religious protest organization masquerading as a political party.
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Digital Display Fri, May 4, 2012 8:54:28pm |
One of my favorite times of the year.. The NBA play-offs..Big party tomorrow for the Thunder game..I'm going for the food, like I said last week they could feed a small African nation for a day from a Oklahoma BBQ.. I was counting the Pies that the Ladies brought. Really? 12 pies? I had the fresh Blackberry Cobbler and Apple pie. As you all know i hate most food and am a very picky eater..So most of the food I would never eat.. But I had perhaps the best chicken off the grill in my freaking life.. I swear..When I was leaving there was so much food left over and they told me to take some home.. There was like 4 plates of chicken breast left..I was shoving that shit into a bag as fast as possible..With utmost discretion of course..Madly shoving breasts into the bag.. Winston and I have eaten well this week
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 8:55:06pm |
$4.2B in Tax Fraud?
From a report in Indiana --anyone heard of this?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 8:55:25pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
You know, I've never tried curry. Grew up on a meat and potatoes diet.
mmmmmmm! curry!!!!
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 8:55:51pm |
re: #136 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I am very certain that somewhere on the web is a recipe that involves meat, potatoes, and curry.
It's a big web.
I made seared scallops in thai red curry tonight. It wasn't bad at all.
1. Sear some scallops in a bit of olive oil, set aside.
2. Saute onions, jalapeno, garlic, and diced bell pepper, then add a couple of tablespoons of thai red curry paste (yes, it's cheating)
3. Add a can of coconut milk and bring to simmer.
4. Return scallops to pan and let simmer for about ten minutes.
Serve over rice (I used brown rice, but white is fine).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 8:57:13pm |
re: #142 HoosierHoops
One of my favorite times of the year.. The NBA play-offs..Big party tomorrow for the Thunder game..I'm going for the food, like I said last week they could feed a small African nation for a day from a Oklahoma BBQ.. I was counting the Pies that the Ladies brought. Really? 12 pies? I had the fresh Blackberry Cobbler and Apple pie. As you all know i hate most food and am a very picky eater..So most of the food I would never eat.. But I had perhaps the best chicken off the grill in my freaking life.. I swear..When I was leaving there was so much food left over and they told me to take some home.. There was like 4 plates of ken breast left..I was shoving that shit into a bag as fast as possible..With utmost discretion of course..Madly shoving breasts into the bag.. Winston and I have eaten well this week
I believe there something bigger tomorrow--no?
First Saturday in May
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 8:58:44pm |
re: #141 palomino
Pretty sad, really...he seems to think the gop is still a political party. It's become a religious protest organization masquerading as a political party.
He votes out of familial contrition. Maybe daddy approves of his political loyalty, but I'm guessing it still doesn't scratch the itch.
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freetoken Fri, May 4, 2012 8:59:36pm |
I fear that we have become so sensitive to the bullying by some, and even the persecution of, minority religious groups in this country that we have stopped being critical of said religious groups when required.
That is why my last Page was: Video: Mitt Romney and the Mormons
Because it is done by a non-American from a more secular nation than ours I think it hits harder in some areas than what US based secular TV networks would do.
Yes, fundamentalist Christians rail against Mormonism all the time. Is that due to envy over the latter's success? Mormonism is growing faster (percent per year) than fundamentalist Christianity, at least in this country and some others.
Anyway, I'm not going to pull back my criticism of what I consider a backwards, and yes at times overly cultic, group.
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dragonath Fri, May 4, 2012 8:59:56pm |
re: #144 ggt
If you haven't tried it yet, a company called MTR makes ready to eat Indian curry dishes, they're great!
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palomino Fri, May 4, 2012 9:04:00pm |
re: #147 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
He votes out of familial contrition. Maybe daddy approves of his political loyalty, but I'm guessing it still doesn't scratch the itch.
There's some real cognitive dissonance in a guy who piles on the GOP constantly and then says, "Vote Republican!"
The quaint but delusional thing is that he thinks his party is just a step or two away from returning to the moderation of decades ago, when they actually had a moderate/liberal wing. But they are nowhere near that, as they are no longer interested in compromise or governance.
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Interesting Times Fri, May 4, 2012 9:13:34pm |
@mdrfl @AngryBlackLadyI try and refrain from using any derogatory terms, other than republican, conservative and Mitt Romney.— T. (@TPPratt) May 5, 2012
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, May 4, 2012 9:14:29pm |
O.T.
Well now I have a two-three month old O'possum, the current question is what in hell am I going to do with it.
I saw it out in the new rose bed an hour or so before I went back and found it still in the same place, so it wasn't just "playing possum." I picked it up and took it inside, placed in my "cat carrier" along with some water and a little canned cat food. It (he/she?) is in the spare bedroom with the lights out and the door closed (so my cat doesn't worry it).
Poor critter is pretty skinny with a very thin coat...either sick or just malnourished (it is very dry out there). I may just keep it for a day or two if it will eat something and then release it. If it doesn't eat tonight then I guess I need to seek professional help for it. Now I just need to figure out where one takes a sick juvenile possum for treatment/placement in pinellas county, if any such place exists.
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darthstar Fri, May 4, 2012 9:17:11pm |
re: #152 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
O.T.
Well now I have a two-three month old O'possum, the current question is what in hell am I going to do with it.
Two options:
1. Braise it with raisins, brown sugar, and red wine.
2. Look for a local wild animal rescue and let them take care of it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 4, 2012 9:17:34pm |
re: #154 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
Two options:
1. Braise it with raisins, brown sugar, and red wine.
2. Look for a local wild animal rescue and let them take care of it.
I would say #2.
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b_sharp Fri, May 4, 2012 9:22:34pm |
I have no words.
I'll be back tomorrow when the shipment comes in.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 4, 2012 9:30:22pm |
re: #148 freetoken
You have clearly made your mind up. However, I would ask you to be cautious of your sources. I have seen articles written by people who claim to be Mormon which make me raise my eyebrows.
Recently, a woman wrote an article in which she said that Mormon women are supposed to do two things: Keep a journal and bear children.
First of all: Two? Two? If I were to make a list of things that LDS women feel they are supposed to do, the list would be longer than two.
Secondly: journals? The woman put this in there because she wrote and article about her mother's journals. We are counseled to keep a journal, but frankly, it's way down the list. Number fifteen or something. Frankly, any such list that doesn't start with "Pray & read your scriptures" is inaccurate, at best. I don't keep a journal, and I'm not losing sleep over it.
Thirdly: The last piece of official counsel about the number of children is that couples are supposed to jointly and prayerfully decide on the matter, and that it's nobody else's business. This was in one of the more recent General Conference talks.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 9:35:15pm |
re: #152 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
O.T.
Well now I have a two-three month old O'possum, the current question is what in hell am I going to do with it.I saw it out in the new rose bed an hour or so before I went back and found it still in the same place, so it wasn't just "playing possum." I picked it up and took it inside, placed in my "cat carrier" along with some water and a little canned cat food. It (he/she?) is in the spare bedroom with the lights out and the door closed (so my cat doesn't worry it).
Poor critter is pretty skinny with a very thin coat...either sick or just malnourished (it is very dry out there). I may just keep it for a day or two if it will eat something and then release it. If it doesn't eat tonight then I guess I need to seek professional help for it. Now I just need to figure out where one takes a sick juvenile possum for treatment/placement in pinellas county, if any such place exists.
Amonia rags at the corners of the territory you want to be varmint free! works every time.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 4, 2012 9:41:15pm |
re: #108 erik_t
((hugs for you and your friend))
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 9:43:34pm |
re: #121 freetoken
Heh, you can call me an essentialist.
In the case of Mormonism, part of their doctrine (as I understand it) is that in the afterlife the couple(s) remain married, and enjoy eternal bliss (ahem...) as well as the companionship of their children.
That sounds nice. Also not particularly odd, as concepts of the afterlife go.
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freetoken Fri, May 4, 2012 9:43:36pm |
re: #157 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Over the years I have dealt with many religious people directly.
Once there was an older gentleman with whom I worked who married a Mormon, and became then became one. However, he was very bright and not typical (in many ways), and we used to have long discussions. He came to doubt many Mormon doctrines, and I did my best to illustrate how many of them were just incorrect, and also where they deviated from orthodox Christian beliefs (he had started out assuming Mormonism was Christian.) And yes, as he grew to realize that he didn't really want to believe in Mormonism, and started asking difficult questions of the Bishop and others, the gentleman was increasingly shunned by those in his congregation, and I IIRC eventually they wouldn't let him speak in the meetings.
Also had a co-worker who was a Mormon bishop; not one in control of a whole stake - he did eventually move and take over a stake in another state - and at times he approached me. We were always cordial, and indeed we got along very well when we interacted, but whenever he would approach me about Mormonism he realized I was well enough informed that he just gave up.
I've studied this enough, and interacted enough, to be sure that my criticisms of Mormonism are not only warranted but more ought to be forthcoming.
My criticisms of Romney did not start with Mormonism. If you look back at my comments about Mitt in 2008 I made it quite clear about how I didn't like him - he always came off to me as the worst of the used car salesman type.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 4, 2012 9:43:40pm |
re: #142 HoosierHoops
OMG! You are too funny!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 9:44:32pm |
re: #124 Mostly sane, most of the time.
We're running out of people to take casseroles to. We need more.
Take that chicken and broccoli casserole voluntarily, or we'll have to find a way to force it on you.
Or...maybe we just really like children. At the scout camporee send off, one of my son's twelve year old friends was carrying around his baby brother, showing him off. This was a twelve year old boy, not girl.
Let me guess, the broccoli and chicken casserole has dairy in it?
I'll have to pass. Can I have another cookie?
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 4, 2012 9:44:34pm |
re: #152 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Call the SPCA! STAT!
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 4, 2012 9:45:51pm |
re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist
Oatmeal? Passes the plate, they're chewy ones...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 9:47:19pm |
re: #137 freetoken
I suppose one could make a similar argument for most everyone on the planet in whatever situation they find themselves.
Yet, this idea of Celestial Marriages is a real doctrine of Mormonism, and like several other religions the emphasis on having a large number of children becomes quite consuming.
Marriage is a central doctrine, in general, to many religions. However, other than a few misc. Christian/pseudo-Christian cults, I know of no other religion that emphasizes the family, and a large family, than Mormonism.
Check out the Chassids sometime.
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freetoken Fri, May 4, 2012 9:49:01pm |
re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist
re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist
That sounds nice. Also not particularly odd, as concepts of the afterlife go.
Other than they are so damned hyper-committed to it.
There have been a very many strange beliefs in the whole movement of theism over the past 3000 years or so - the Mormons aren't unique in that way.
But here in the US in 2012 the Mormons stand out as being a particularly peculiar successful religious movement. Most religious groups with fringe beliefs remain small and eventually die out. The Mormons keep growing, in no small part because of their central dogma of family-first.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 9:54:36pm |
re: #148 freetoken
I fear that we have become so sensitive to the bullying by some, and even the persecution of, minority religious groups in this country that we have stopped being critical of said religious groups when required.
That is why my last Page was: Video: Mitt Romney and the Mormons
Because it is done by a non-American from a more secular nation than ours I think it hits harder in some areas than what US based secular TV networks would do.
Yes, fundamentalist Christians rail against Mormonism all the time. Is that due to envy over the latter's success? Mormonism is growing faster (percent per year) than fundamentalist Christianity, at least in this country and some others.
Anyway, I'm not going to pull back my criticism of what I consider a backwards, and yes at times overly cultic, group.
And I'm not going to stop criticizing religious bigotry, especially when said bigotry conveniently privileges more mainstream groups.
You want to criticize specific things the Romneys, or the LDS church have done? Have at it. Complaining that they use IVF, have big families, and 'want to take over the earth', not to mention believing that they remain married in the next world, is not reasonable, it's the same kind of fear-mongering that accompanied Jack Kennedy's presidential run.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 9:55:43pm |
re: #152 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
O.T.
Well now I have a two-three month old O'possum, the current question is what in hell am I going to do with it.I saw it out in the new rose bed an hour or so before I went back and found it still in the same place, so it wasn't just "playing possum." I picked it up and took it inside, placed in my "cat carrier" along with some water and a little canned cat food. It (he/she?) is in the spare bedroom with the lights out and the door closed (so my cat doesn't worry it).
Poor critter is pretty skinny with a very thin coat...either sick or just malnourished (it is very dry out there). I may just keep it for a day or two if it will eat something and then release it. If it doesn't eat tonight then I guess I need to seek professional help for it. Now I just need to figure out where one takes a sick juvenile possum for treatment/placement in pinellas county, if any such place exists.
Is there an animal care and control agency that would take it? Or a local vet?
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 4, 2012 10:00:23pm |
re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there an animal care and control agency that would take it? Or a local vet?
No, it's a possum.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 10:01:34pm |
re: #172 Dancing along the light of day
No, it's a possum.
Local animal control will step in for a bunch of creatures--my mom brought them a crow a while back.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 10:05:19pm |
I'm totally enjoying this. Thanks for your patience.
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blueraven Fri, May 4, 2012 10:06:43pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 4, 2012 10:10:26pm |
Guess what? I just got an email that I can help a foreigner get her funds out of...um...something. I could get as much as 40%.
If you don't hear from me this time next week, it's because I got those millions and I've retired to the Bahamas.
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freetoken Fri, May 4, 2012 10:11:36pm |
re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist
...it's the same kind of fear-mongering that accompanied Jack Kennedy's presidential run.
Jack Kennedy sat in the pew (on occasion.) Mitt Romney ran a local congregation and used LDS tactics to control them.
If Jack Kennedy had been part of the RC hierarchy I would have been all for criticizing him and scrutinizing his religious activities. However, he was Catholic by birth (baptism) and not part of the power structure.
It is sad that Mitt Romney had to go to Texas and do obeisance to the SoCons. However, I will not give Mitt a pass on scrutinizing Mormonism.
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prairiefire Fri, May 4, 2012 10:12:16pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
Local animal control will step in for a bunch of creatures--my mom brought them a crow a while back.
SFZ, "Who Do You Think You Are" had Rashida Jones on tonight. She is descended from Latvian Jews on her mom's side. It was an interesting and sad show.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 10:12:54pm |
re: #177 freetoken
Jack Kennedy sat in the pew (on occasion.) Mitt Romney ran a local congregation and used LDS tactics to control them.
If Jack Kennedy had been part of the RC hierarchy I would have been all for criticizing him and scrutinizing his religious activities. However, he was Catholic by birth (baptism) and not part of the power structure.
It is sad that Mitt Romney had to go to Texas and do obeisance to the SoCons. However, I will not give Mitt a pass on scrutinizing Mormonism.
We're not going to see eye to eye on this. Ever.
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Big Joe Fri, May 4, 2012 10:12:57pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
Local animal control will step in for a bunch of creatures--my mom brought them a crow a while back.
Out here the Lindsay Wildlife Museum runs a wild animal veterinary and rehab clinic.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 10:13:05pm |
re: #178 prairiefire
SFZ, "Who Do You Think You Are" had Rashida Jones on tonight. She is descended from Latvian Jews on her mom's side. It was an interesting and sad show.
Very cool.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 10:17:06pm |
Sergey if you are out there.
This is what Brat Puppy looks like now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 10:19:09pm |
Tagg Romney is thirty-five years old, and has four children. Among the frum people in my community, that's a terribly small family, one that speaks of fertility issues, or some sort of marital problem.
If the Mormons are planning to take over the world by outbreeding the rest of us, they're gonna get their asses kicked by the Orthodox Jews, handily.
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Big Joe Fri, May 4, 2012 10:22:21pm |
re: #180 Ghost of Tom Joad
Out here the Lindsay Wildlife Museum runs a wild animal veterinary and rehab clinic.
I should link to them for all the awesome work they've done. I've been a big fan for 40 years.
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prairiefire Fri, May 4, 2012 10:22:23pm |
re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist
Tagg Romney is thirty-five years old, and has four children. Among the frum people in my community, that's a terribly small family, one that speaks of fertility issues, or some sort of marital problem.
If the Mormons are planning to take over the world by outbreeding the rest of us, they're gonna get their asses kicked by the Orthodox Jews, handily.
I remember seeing a very, very large family of Orthodox Jews at the airport trying to get their massive amount of luggage where it needed to go. They had about three platform hand trucks packed sky high.
Is it traditional for the men to always walk in front of the women by several paces?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 10:28:45pm |
Totally deserves a 1000 updings.
Never Give-Up your Dreams.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 10:29:24pm |
re: #185 prairiefire
I remember seeing a very, very large family of Orthodox Jews at the airport trying to get their massive amount of luggage where it needed to go. They had about three platform hand trucks packed sky high.
Is it traditional for the men to always walk in front of the women by several paces?
It's common in some communities. Following behind a woman is commonly seen as immodest. (Ladies, of course, are presumed to be able to look at a man's tuchis proceeding up the street ahead of them, and control their lust.)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 10:29:34pm |
re: #185 prairiefire
I remember seeing a very, very large family of Orthodox Jews at the airport trying to get their massive amount of luggage where it needed to go. They had about three platform hand trucks packed sky high.
Is it traditional for the men to always walk in front of the women by several paces?
All I know is that my Reform Jewish friends complain about their Orthodox relatives a lot.
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prairiefire Fri, May 4, 2012 10:33:18pm |
In this family, the dad and the older boys wore the large hats that look like a type of cowboy hat. My kids were impressed, with the hats and the sheer number of kids in one family. Maybe 12? I love to people watch at airports.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 4, 2012 10:37:31pm |
re: #190 prairiefire
In this family, the dad and the older boys wore the large hats that look like a type of cowboy hat. My kids were impressed, with the hats and the sheer number of kids in one family. Maybe 12? I love to people watch at airports.
My mother once had the pleasure of sitting at a cafe in San Francisco as the local Chabad rabbi and his posse passed by on the way to shul. Black, eighteenth-century, hats, talitot, the whole nine yards.
Sitting next to her were a group of Goth kids, who were absolutely entranced. They were also in retro black, and they loved the Chassid's outfits.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, May 4, 2012 10:53:40pm |
re: #172 Dancing along the light of day
No, it's a possum.
Lol, my cat is sitting vigil outside the spare bedroom door.
BTW, some of the food is gone, and the water is muddy with food particles, I take those as good signs so far.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 4, 2012 11:08:11pm |
A friend just gave me permission to use an eerie photo of her cat for my current cafepress obsession. I'm going to have so much fun with it!!! White cat with yellow glowing eyes --for real --I won't have to do much work on it.
I made an autism awareness graphic she loved (she has an autistic child). I wish I had the time to find a better venue than cafepress, I think their prices are high.
I'm having fun regardless. Which is the point --an outlet for my creative energies and political frustrations.
Off to bed. Have to drive to Wisconsin tomorrow to see Brat Puppy in his beauty contest.
Have a great evening/morning all!
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austin_blue Fri, May 4, 2012 11:48:40pm |
re: #6 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
I got a letter from Scott Walker today asking for money...seeing as he's short on funds, I put all of the propaganda in his request into the "no postage necessary" return envelope so he wouldn't have to print it again and sent it back to him. I feel like I've done my civic duty.
Tape it to a brick next time and put your return address on it. You will quickly find yourself off his mailing list. Conversely, *don't* put your return address on it and scrounge around for more bricks.
Endless entertainment!
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Mocking Jay Sat, May 5, 2012 12:47:33am |
re: #197 Kragar
Who just saw the Avengers?
This guy.
Who just saw the Avengers for the second time?
This guy.
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Kragar Sat, May 5, 2012 12:50:05am |
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Mocking Jay Sat, May 5, 2012 12:51:56am |
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austin_blue Sat, May 5, 2012 12:53:17am |
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Kragar Sat, May 5, 2012 12:53:43am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 1:38:19am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 5, 2012 3:11:00am |
re: #148 freetoken
I fear that we have become so sensitive to the bullying by some, and even the persecution of, minority religious groups in this country that we have stopped being critical of said religious groups when required.
That is why my last Page was: Video: Mitt Romney and the Mormons
Because it is done by a non-American from a more secular nation than ours I think it hits harder in some areas than what US based secular TV networks would do.
Yes, fundamentalist Christians rail against Mormonism all the time. Is that due to envy over the latter's success? Mormonism is growing faster (percent per year) than fundamentalist Christianity, at least in this country and some others.
Anyway, I'm not going to pull back my criticism of what I consider a backwards, and yes at times overly cultic, group.
As long as you're an equal opportunity offender ;)
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Obdicut Sat, May 5, 2012 3:25:16am |
re: #209 May Day! May Day!
He does have a point that Romney was actually a Mormon bishop, and that's different than just being a congregant.
If someone who had been a Catholic priest, and was still Catholic after resigning from that position, wanted to run for office, I'd be more leery of them than I would someone who was just Catholic. Likewise, if someone had been an Imam or a Rabbi, it'd bother me. To me, that would mean that that person had declared that his faith was very, very central to his life, and it would make me wonder if he were capable of truly being a secular leader.
However, to me it's more important what Romney did as a Mormon bishop, rather than that he simply was a Mormon bishop.
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Obdicut Sat, May 5, 2012 3:27:06am |
re: #202 Kragar
I'm on probation.
My wife's cousin was just in jail for a stint, and it made me mad all over again about the way we treat prisoners. He sent us a letter, and it really, really looked like the prison had opened it and read it.
I can understand, though still disagree with, a policy of reading incoming mail for prisoners. But reading outgoing mail-- except in very specific circumstances like a mob boss-- that's, to me, a significant violation of rights.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 3:27:40am |
re: #129 Be Zorch, Daddio
There's a cool piece of religious iconography that goes along with the concept: The "Globus Cruciger"
"Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat." It's a little ditty we learned in gradeschool.
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Obdicut Sat, May 5, 2012 3:29:24am |
re: #212 Decatur Deb
"Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat." It's a little ditty we learned in gradeschool.
Looks to me like the right phrase to go along with that object is "one, two, five."
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 3:33:14am |
re: #211 Obdicut
My wife's cousin was just in jail for a stint, and it made me mad all over again about the way we treat prisoners. He sent us a letter, and it really, really looked like the prison had opened it and read it.
I can understand, though still disagree with, a policy of reading incoming mail for prisoners. But reading outgoing mail-- except in very specific circumstances like a mob boss-- that's, to me, a significant violation of rights.
Uh..My highschool/college read all incoming and outgoing mail, even to our parents. They didn't think to open the USPS laundry mailers.
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Obdicut Sat, May 5, 2012 3:36:50am |
re: #214 Decatur Deb
Heh. Nice one. My wife just figured out that her med school reserves the right to read all her email she sends while logged in-- even email sent through gmail, etc. I don't know if they're actually technically adept enough to do it, and it least in that case they have an excuse-- there have been students talking about sensitive patient information promiscuously, which obviously needs to get stamped down on hard.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, May 5, 2012 3:39:02am |
re: #211 Obdicut
But reading outgoing mail-- except in very specific circumstances like a mob boss-- that's, to me, a significant violation of rights.
Once they're in prison pressure gets exerted on all kinds of people in all kinds of ways. I've got tons of problems with the US corrections system, but I can understand why it's unwise to assume that even a model prisoner is immune from being used to communicate with the outside world on behalf of someone else.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 3:39:11am |
re: #215 Obdicut
Heh. Nice one. My wife just figured out that her med school reserves the right to read all her email she sends while logged in-- even email sent through gmail, etc. I don't know if they're actually technically adept enough to do it, and it least in that case they have an excuse-- there have been students talking about sensitive patient information promiscuously, which obviously needs to get stamped down on hard.
One of my classmates was expelled for mailing an inquiry to another college. It showed he was not committed. Serious school.
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Obdicut Sat, May 5, 2012 3:45:38am |
re: #216 goddamnedfrank
Sure, but that's still going to be the exception, and he wasn't stored with any mob bosses. Prisoners are allowed to have unobserved face-to-face meetings with visitors, so if you want to pass out information, you can always do it that way. The mail thing just seems like a pointless insult.
My main concern with prisoners is rehabilitation, because I'd like a lower crime rate. If some drug kingpin is 'running his business' from inside the prison, put him in solitary, don't let him talk to other prisoners, get court-ordered permission to read his mail. Don't treat everyone there like, well, a criminal.
My wife's cousin was in on driving for a suspended license, and came very close to getting the shit beaten out of him on a couple of occasions. I really don't see how him sitting in jail for a month benefited anyone. I don't think jail time-- which cost him his job, and put him in a more marginal economic position-- lowered his likelihood of taking risky, illegal chances like driving without a license, it increased it.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 3:52:05am |
re: #218 Obdicut
Sure, but that's still going to be the exception, and he wasn't stored with any mob bosses. Prisoners are allowed to have unobserved face-to-face meetings with visitors, so if you want to pass out information, you can always do it that way. The mail thing just seems like a pointless insult.
My main concern with prisoners is rehabilitation, because I'd like a lower crime rate. If some drug kingpin is 'running his business' from inside the prison, put him in solitary, don't let him talk to other prisoners, get court-ordered permission to read his mail. Don't treat everyone there like, well, a criminal.
My wife's cousin was in on driving for a suspended license, and came very close to getting the shit beaten out of him on a couple of occasions. I really don't see how him sitting in jail for a month benefited anyone. I don't think jail time-- which cost him his job, and put him in a more marginal economic position-- lowered his likelihood of taking risky, illegal chances like driving without a license, it increased it.
The problem then was the system that put him in the jail for a stupid failure. The gang reality has left the administrators of my daughter's kiddie jail completely (and justifiably) terrified. Her students are not allowed to know her name. If anything is written or drawn in a textbook, the book is destroyed. Some idiotic or corrupt guard let a prisoner get to his private Kindle, and the daughter had to go to war to keep all her classroom Kindles from being junked.
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, May 5, 2012 3:56:30am |
That sammich looks yummy!
Good morning!
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Obdicut Sat, May 5, 2012 3:56:36am |
re: #219 Decatur Deb
Heh. Some really stupid Aryan nation guys did approach him while he was in there.
My wife's cousin, like her, is 1/4 Romany. So he doesn't like neo-Nazis that much.
He was able to skate through without having to throw in with anyone, but only by dint of stopping his work in the kitchen and getting into a cell by himself in the more-secure area of the prison.
The gang problem, and the physical safety problem, are enormous. However, akin to what you say, the problem really lies before they even get to prison, in the reasons why they get there-- the dumbass drug war.
It's all dispiriting and frustrating.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 3:59:25am |
re: #221 Obdicut
Heh. Some really stupid Aryan nation guys did approach him while he was in there.
My wife's cousin, like her, is 1/4 Romany. So he doesn't like neo-Nazis that much.
He was able to skate through without having to throw in with anyone, but only by dint of stopping his work in the kitchen and getting into a cell by himself in the more-secure area of the prison.
The gang problem, and the physical safety problem, are enormous. However, akin to what you say, the problem really lies before they even get to prison, in the reasons why they get there-- the dumbass drug war.
It's all dispiriting and frustrating.
When it comes to drug prohibition, I could side with the craziest libertarian in the room. (Except that he would want drugs sold, and I would give them away through the single-payer med insurance program until the market is destroyed.)
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Obdicut Sat, May 5, 2012 4:05:14am |
re: #222 Decatur Deb
There are a few drugs I stop short on allowing except in a program to get people off it as quickly as possible, like meth and PCP. But other than the ones that can really inspire psychotic breaks, I'd agree. Addiction should be a medical matter.
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, May 5, 2012 4:07:29am |
re: #152 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
I know you are offline, but just a quick note of concern. If you see any night time animal during the day, stay away. Rabies season is coming (I don't think it ever ends) and it is a nasty disease. Possum, skunks, bats etc. work exclusively at dusk and night.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 4:07:45am |
re: #223 Obdicut
There are a few drugs I stop short on allowing except in a program to get people off it as quickly as possible, like meth and PCP. But other than the ones that can really inspire psychotic breaks, I'd agree. Addiction should be a medical matter.
It is, if you're a multi-millionaire talk show host. If you're a ghetto kid, not so much.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 4:10:43am |
re: #215 Obdicut
Heh. Nice one. My wife just figured out that her med school reserves the right to read all her email she sends while logged in-- even email sent through gmail, etc. I don't know if they're actually technically adept enough to do it, and it least in that case they have an excuse-- there have been students talking about sensitive patient information promiscuously, which obviously needs to get stamped down on hard.
That's pretty boilerplate in the corporate world too. Doesn't mean they do (perhaps beyond some basic word filter checks), but they reserve the right to do so.
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, May 5, 2012 4:19:11am |
re: #222 Decatur Deb
I have struggled with the idea of drug prohibition. On one hand you could wipe out the illegal market and remove some of the OD'ing issues (drug potency) on the other would be a pandemic of new addicted users. Look back at Prohibition in the 1930's, gangsters flourished, killings, much like todays drug wars. Safe access to drugs would eliminate that, but at what cost? How about we just legalize all natural drugs, like mother nature intended, opium, marijuana, coke leaves, what else?
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 4:22:44am |
re: #227 Tommy's cone of shame
I have struggled with the idea of drug prohibition. On one hand you could wipe out the illegal market and remove some of the OD'ing issues (drug potency) on the other would be a pandemic of new addicted users. Look back at Prohibition in the 1930's, gangsters flourished, killings, much like todays drug wars. Safe access to drugs would eliminate that, but at what cost? How about we just legalize all natural drugs, like mother nature intended, opium, marijuana, coke leaves, what else?
Something like my position would cause tens of thousands of early deaths. We would still come out ahead. Ambulances kill people.
(In reality, I would want to see it introduced experimentally.)
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, May 5, 2012 4:31:29am |
Mitt Romney may or may not become the first Mormon to move into the White House, but a new study shows that Mormonism is moving into more parts of the country than any other religious group.
Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Catholics better kick it up a notch, they are down 5%
Maybe some new window dressings?
Better smelling incense?
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 4:35:12am |
re: #229 Tommy's cone of shame
Mitt Romney may or may not become the first Mormon to move into the White House, but a new study shows that Mormonism is moving into more parts of the country than any other religious group.
Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Catholics better kick it up a notch, they are down 5%
Maybe some new window dressings?
Better smelling incense?
Attacking the few remaining nuns is sure to work.
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, May 5, 2012 4:35:25am |
Now I want hot dogs in a nice meat sauce:
Long Island 'hooker' accused of selling sex out of hot-dog truck -- again
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
Can you tell today is the first day of my diet?
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 4:42:02am |
re: #222 Decatur Deb
When it comes to drug prohibition, I could side with the craziest libertarian in the room. (Except that he would want drugs sold, and I would give them away through the single-payer med insurance program until the market is destroyed.)
Good morning socialist hippie and the rest of you peoples.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 4:43:33am |
re: #232 RogueOne
Good morning socialist hippie and the rest of you peoples.
'Morning. Crushed any proletarians lately?
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 4:45:32am |
re: #233 Decatur Deb
Not lately but I think I found some new nerd henchman last night. We went to see Avengers and the guys behind me were all dressed in character and talking Ron Paul-itics before the movie.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 4:46:39am |
A Paul-tard dressed like Captain America. I got a good chuckle out of it.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 4:46:54am |
re: #234 RogueOne
Not lately but I think I found some new nerd henchman last night. We went to see Avengers and the guys behind me were all dressed in character and talking Ron Paul-itics before the movie.
Say 'hi' to Sheldon for me.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 4:48:41am |
re: #219 Decatur Deb
The problem then was the system that put him in the jail for a stupid failure. The gang reality has left the administrators of my daughter's kiddie jail completely (and justifiably) terrified. Her students are not allowed to know her name. If anything is written or drawn in a textbook, the book is destroyed. Some idiotic or corrupt guard let a prisoner get to his private Kindle, and the daughter had to go to war to keep all her classroom Kindles from being junked.
Ideas on what to do about it? BEcause I understand gangs are serious problem in such cases, but I myself haven't the first clue as to what to do about prison gangs.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 4:48:54am |
BTW, Great movie. I liked it enough I'm going to take the SiL to see it in 3D. The last 90 minutes of the movie was outrageously good.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 4:57:11am |
re: #237 Dark_Falcon
Ideas on what to do about it? BEcause I understand gangs are serious problem in such cases, but I myself haven't the first clue as to what to do about prison gangs.
Come up with something that reserves lockup only for violent, hopeless cases. Get rid of drug prohibition, and other truly victimless crimes. (Don't want to be in charge of that definition.) It's a little weird here in small-town deep south. A couple days ago I stood in a Walmart checkout behind two prisoners in stripes and their guard--I've taken Habitat volunteers to the 7-11 so they could bring some fried chicken back to their cells. (Don't get all Andy Griffith about that--the hardcore stay in lockup.)
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 5:02:06am |
re: #239 Decatur Deb
My county jail is a horrible place (dirty and violent) but they do have one of the best work release programs I've seen. A couple of local judges really stick their necks out if they think there's a chance a guy will turn out ok. One judge let me take a guy all the way to Green Bay for a week to do a job and another let me take a guy to Denver for 2 months.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 5:04:36am |
re: #240 RogueOne
My county jail is a horrible place (dirty and violent) but they do have one of the best work release programs I've seen. A couple of local judges really stick their necks out if they think there's a chance a guy will turn out ok. One judge let me take a guy all the way to Green Bay for a week to do a job and another let me take a guy to Denver for 2 months.
Yes-- that takes some guts. One fuckup, and you and the judge star in a Willie Horton commercial.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 5:05:08am |
re: #239 Decatur Deb
Come up with something that reserves lockup only for violent, hopeless cases. Get rid of drug prohibition, and other truly victimless crimes. (Don't want to be in charge of that definition.) It's a little weird here in small-town deep south. A couple days ago I stood in a Walmart checkout behind two prisoners in stripes and their guard--I've taken Habitat volunteers to the 7-11 so they could bring some fried chicken back to their cells. (Don't get all Andy Griffith about that--the hardcore stay in lockup.)
The problem I see with that is that there are people who are not hopeless, but are violent enough that they need to be locked up. A guy who pulverizes someone in a bar fight may well not be hopeless, but they do need to go to jail for having done so. In a similar vein, I've seen employers of mine (when I worked retail) uncover some pretty sophisticated theft and kickback schemes. The architects of those schemes were entirely non-violent, but nevertheless were deservedly jailed for them.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 5:06:53am |
re: #241 Decatur Deb
Exactly. We were lucky. My dad was big in the prison ministry stuff and we always had at least a couple guys from work release running around. Out of all the guys we had over the years only one screwed up bad enough to go back to jail for awhile. The guy couldn't stay away from alcohol.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 5:12:59am |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
The problem I see with that is that there are people who are not hopeless, but are violent enough that they need to be locked up. A guy who pulverizes someone in a bar fight may well not be hopeless, but they do need to go to jail for having done so. In a similar vein, I've seen employers of mine (when I worked retail) uncover some pretty sophisticated theft and kickback schemes. The architects of those schemes were entirely non-violent, but nevertheless were deservedly jailed for them.
I'd even say deservedly punished (heh... rehabilitated). Doubt that jail is the best possible way. Jack Abramoff or Bernie Madoff needed to be made very sorry for what they did, but they were probably wasting a cell. Young criminals need to be isolated, dissuaded, educated, and given a reasonable chance at an alternative approach to life. For some of my daughter's students crime is a rational adaptation, allowing them to live a little before they die. She keeps a number chalked in the upper left of her blackboard--it's the count of her teenage alumni known dead since she started teaching there.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 5:15:30am |
re: #244 Decatur Deb
Tossing teens into a max facility prison, or even into the general population of a large county jail, is a recipe for disaster. You may as well pin a sign to their chest.."Fresh Meat".
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Kronocide Sat, May 5, 2012 5:16:00am |
[Link: www.owsexposed.com...]
OWS Irrelevant?
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 5:20:38am |
re: #245 RogueOne
Tossing teens into a max facility prison, or even into the general population of a large county jail, is a recipe for disaster. You may as well pin a sign to their chest.."Fresh Meat".
And the survivors are more likely to get a PhD in Crime Proficiency than to go straight. And most get out, at least for a while.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 5:30:01am |
re: #247 Decatur Deb
I've been hesitant to mention this but.....around xmas time my cousin's kid in Detroit got mugged and beaten so badly he spent 2 weeks in the hospital. During those two weeks he missed a court date for underage drinking. Last month he was a passenger in a car and got pulled over for speeding. When they ran his ID they found a warrant for missing court and tossed him in the county jail over the weekend. The 2nd day in he got molested. My cousin moved to Arkansas last winter so my folks spent a week or so up there with him to get him a lawyer and meet with the prosecutor about filing charges. The kids a mess. He already comes from a screwed up background and he'll never be the same.
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dragonfire1981 Sat, May 5, 2012 5:30:51am |
Anyone here seen this yet?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 5:32:48am |
re: #247 Decatur Deb
The thing is that jailing them is more likely to sate the public desire to see criminals punished. "Deterrence" such as you suggest strikes many people as "too soft". The other problem is that it puts egg on the face of the justice system when some is given a chance and then fucks up even worse than before.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 5:39:11am |
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 5:39:42am |
re: #248 RogueOne
I've been hesitant to mention this but...around xmas time my cousin's kid in Detroit got mugged and beaten so badly he spent 2 weeks in the hospital. During those two weeks he missed a court date for underage drinking. Last month he was a passenger in a car and got pulled over for speeding. When they ran his ID they found a warrant for missing court and tossed him in the county jail over the weekend. The 2nd day in he got molested. My cousin moved to Arkansas last winter so my folks spent a week or so up there with him to get him a lawyer and meet with the prosecutor about filing charges. The kids a mess. He already comes from a screwed up background and he'll never be the same.
Sounds like a really well-thought-out system. And he's probably not too far from the mainstream for someone who once enters it. Now think of the 14-yr old who shows up in jail with facial scars from where he's been kept chained to a radiator, the kid who took a heavy possession rap for his mother because she had two strikes, or the kid who never showed up on any record in any school for a day. We have a lot of crime because we have developed a machine to make criminals.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 5:44:52am |
re: #249 dragonfire1981
Anyone here seen this yet?
Check this guy's archive, he seems pretty kooky to me:
Finally, WSJ Reports of Suspicious Activity in Gold Market
Smart Money Banking Big on Gold & Silver Prices to Soar
What’s Really Behind Utah’s Mock Earthquake Drill
Operation ‘Easter Egg’: 200 Arab Billionaires Conspire to “Kill” the Dollar
That's sounds like the kind of stuff Alex Jones and Glenn Beck rant about. Not worth the server space used to post it.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 5:46:05am |
re: #254 Dark_Falcon
Check this guy's archive, he seems pretty kooky to me:
That's sounds like the kind of stuff Alex Jones and Glenn Beck rant about. Not worth the server space used to post it.
Here's one of Hagmann's pages.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 5:47:57am |
re: #249 dragonfire1981
Anyone here seen this yet?
Seems a little overwrought. We have been preparing for massive civil uprising since the Whiskey Rebellion. It's Job 2 (some say Job 1) for a couple million trained shooters in the military and the police.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 5:48:24am |
re: #249 dragonfire1981
Anyone here seen this yet?
Christ, the comments on this screed look like Thursday night at Free Republic:
Ck Kelsey
Right about the government. It's Cloward & Piven in action use all the bad policy to cause the economy to collapse in on itself. The Planned destruction of America starring Barack Obama the fascist dictator in charge.
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12 hours ago
in reply to Ptolemy
23 LikesCiaran
It IS the immigrants - but they are one piece of the puzzle.
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16 hours ago
in reply to Ptolemy
25 LikesLindawillsey
It's government and illegal immigrants
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3 hours ago
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3 LikesSheridan18
Not the immigrants...wow. I agree with Ciaran, they are part of the problem among other things. America needs to repent to the God of the Holy Bible for judgment is coming , no doubt about it.
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4 LikesSam I Am
From : [Link: armypubs.army.mil...]
FM 3-39.40 2/12/2010 INTERNMENT AND RESETTLEMENT OPERATIONS PDFHere it is. Happy reading :
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4 LikesIM8888
Obama doesn't want to get rid of the illegals. Obama is and always has been a detriment to this country......and NO ONE EVER STOPPED HIM BY DOING ANYTHING!
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13 LikesRohn Ussery
The only thing i can disagree with is, while it would create millions of jobs, with 50% on government teat, they certainly wont take them. But illegals (mexican, mid-east etc) have put a legitimate burden on taxpayer, closed down hospitals, schools & certainly INCREASED crime, afterall they are criminals and many are gang members at night & labors during the day.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 5:48:46am |
re: #253 Decatur Deb
Sounds like a really well-thought-out system. And he's probably not too far from the mainstream for someone who once enters it. Now think of the 14-yr old who shows up in jail with facial scars from where he's been kept chained to a radiator, the kid who took a heavy possession rap for his mother because she had two strikes, or the kid who never showed up on any record in any school for a day. We have a lot of crime because we have developed a machine to make criminals.
I had heard horror stories but didn't really do any reading/research until it happened to my spouses brother. He was 18 when they tossed him in a max facility and in less than a week they had knocked out his teeth and tore off his ear. You don't need a very good imagination to know why the teeth were knocked out right away. He wasn't a violent person up to that point. A few years later (after he had grown a couple inches and gained about 30 lbs)...they charged him with stabbing another inmate 27 times. He never talks about it but my guess is it was a "paybacks are a bitch" situation. He has 2 years left. He'll be almost 34 years old and hasn't seen the outside of a jail since he was 17.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 5:49:55am |
CLOWARD PIVEN!!1
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT GANGBANGERS!!1
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!1
BUY GOLD!!1
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 5:53:23am |
re: #260 Dark_Falcon
Sorry to steal your applause lines, Gus, but this was such a rich vein of crazy that I had to take a SMACK! at it.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 5:53:41am |
re: #260 Dark_Falcon
CLOWARD PIVEN!!1
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT GANGBANGERS!!1
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!1
BUY GOLD!!1
It's just the usual conspiracy BS. Hagmann's another conspiracy nutcase and "security expert."
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 5:53:47am |
re: #259 RogueOne
I had heard horror stories but didn't really do any reading/research until it happened to my spouses brother. He was 18 when they tossed him in a max facility and in less than a week they had knocked out his teeth and tore off his ear. You don't need a very good imagination to know why the teeth were knocked out right away. He wasn't a violent person up to that point. A few years later (after he had grown a couple inches and gained about 30 lbs)...they charged him with stabbing another inmate 27 times. He never talks about it but my guess is it was a "paybacks are a bitch" situation. He has 2 years left. He'll be almost 34 years old and hasn't seen the outside of a jail since he was 17.
It's good that he'll be able to slide into a good-paying job and start a stable family life. Maybe become a deacon in a suburban megachurch.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 5:57:48am |
re: #263 Decatur Deb
Heehee, there's always hope for a silver lining! His family is sioux and his grandpa (100% and lives on a reservation) has a job and a place for him to live already lined up. He's been going through some new fed program trying to get an early work release. If he's lucky he'll get out 1 year early.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 5:59:51am |
re: #264 RogueOne
Heehee, there's always hope for a silver lining! His family is sioux and his grandpa (100% and lives on a reservation) has a job and a place for him to live already lined up. He's been going through some new fed program trying to get an early work release. If he's lucky he'll get out 1 year early.
Good luck to him. He'll probably want to stay away from people for a while.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 6:01:37am |
Speaking of Indians Native Americans....when the Elizabeth Warren thing blew up people were making comments about her being the palest indian ever. Those people need to meet my wife. Her G-pa is 100% but the rest of the family is all northern European (swedes). My wife is so pale she's almost translucent. The only way she can get a tan is if it comes in a can.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 6:02:25am |
re: #265 Decatur Deb
Good luck to him. He'll probably want to stay away from people for a while.
It's just like living in a war zone for years. He's going to be screwed up for awhile.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 6:08:49am |
re: #268 Gus
She's a freak but I'm having doubts about the story. The little ginger kid is so pale if her mom did take her to tan it was the first time.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 6:09:26am |
re: #269 RogueOne
She's a freak but I'm having doubts about the story. The little ginger kid is so pale if her mom did take her to tan it was the first time.
I'll let them figure it out. I just think those two are funny.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 6:10:49am |
re: #270 Gus
I'll let them figure it out. I just think those two are funny.
"You're going to jail and they're going to treat you wrong because you look black!". Heehee
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 6:15:00am |
GeekDad Exclusive: Auction Preview of D&D Co-Creator’s Personal Collection and Archives — Game’s Secrets to Be Revealed
[Link: www.wired.com...]
The auction also includes a 1959 "Risk" board game. That's one I'd love to have. A buddy has one from the early 60's that he found at a yard sale and I've been jealous for years.
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 6:20:05am |
Unfortunate fake water reflection in newspaper photo
[Link: boingboing.net...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 5, 2012 6:22:47am |
re: #249 dragonfire1981
Anyone here seen this yet?
My only comment on the topic is to buy Reynald's stock because tin-foil hats are all the rage with RWNJ's.
The comments are even more hilarious than the article. Morons.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 6:22:51am |
re: #271 RogueOne
"You're going to jail and they're going to treat you wrong because you look black!". Heehee
Well, as we've been reading, "treat you wrong" can be lethal in jail or prison. But the racial angle is somewhat less of an issue in most women's jail and prisons, or so MSNBC informs me.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 6:23:47am |
re: #274 William Barnett-Lewis
My only comment on the topic is to buy Reynald's stock because tin-foil hats are all the rage with RWNJ's.
The comments are even more hilarious than the article. Morons.
Did my #260 capture the spirit of those comments correctly?
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RogueOne Sat, May 5, 2012 6:29:48am |
Time to take my dogs to our vet the "Dobie Doctor". He's an old guy that's semi-retired so he only comes in a few times a month. You have to make an appt with him weeks in advance and today is our turn. We're all very excited.
Enjoy your day people!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 6:33:04am |
re: #275 Dark_Falcon
Well, as we've been reading, "treat you wrong" can be lethal in jail or prison. But the racial angle is somewhat less of an issue in most women's jail and prisons, or so MSNBC informs me.
And this part is especially a howler:
Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.
And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.
These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.
Point 1: The prohibition on hollow-point ammunition applies only to the military (via the Hague Conventions), law enforcement is free to purchase such ammo if it wishes (as are private citizens in this country).
Point 2: Federal agencies prefer large purchases of ammunition. Multimillion round orders are common, as these provide a volume discount.
3. A Federal agency with thousands of armed agents expends hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo per month even if its agents do not shoot at even a single person. Federal Agents need to practice their shooting skills, same as any target shooter or hunter.
Now why can't other blogs have people who'll invest 7 minutes to knock down a scary statistic.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 6:40:14am |
And from the "Department of Oh Brother" and "Eye Roll":
Escort in Secret Service scandal says her life is 'ruined by this'
...Her days of selling her body are over, she said, but she is open to appearing nude in men's magazines.
"My life is already ruined by this," she said.
Suarez said she considers her reputation shattered but is looking for opportunity by voluntarily stepping fully into the limelight that has been chasing her.
If a magazine offered the "right price," she would pose nude, she said....
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 6:41:46am |
re: #279 Gus
And from the "Department of Oh Brother" and "Eye Roll":
Escort in Secret Service scandal says her life is 'ruined by this'
It should also be cross-listed under "Boo-Freakin'-Hoo".
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 6:44:35am |
re: #280 Dark_Falcon
It should also be cross-listed under "Boo-Freakin'-Hoo".
Magazine spread should be worth at least 50 grand. Then you have movie titles using a form of "Secret Service Escort...". She should probably get a Visa and head on up to LA.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 6:49:40am |
EDL is having another goofy protest in the UK. It's like a collection of similar body types.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 6:51:52am |
You ever notice how EDL members all look like they came from the same parents?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 7:13:17am |
And this last little "Dominique de Kevelioc de Bailleul" gem is especially stupid and ugly:
During Medieval Europe, leadership of the various fiefdoms lived by a strict code of honor: if a war must be fought, members of the peerage class would lead the charge, including the king, himself, as a display of worthiness and courage to lead his fiefdom. But today’s American leadership resembles a mob of genetically defective sociopaths and cowards, according to Celente.
SNIP
Moreover, Celente becomes incensed by the notion that his vehement protest to today’s common mob-run government has elicited some disdain from those not quite steeped in an historical prospective of sacrifices made on behalf of Americans by truly honorable men of the American Revolution, Civil War, WWI and WWII.
“If they want me to leave, let them come and tell me to leave,” he continued his heated response. “And I’m sick and tired of these people telling me, well you know, if you don’t like it, you should leave. No! You should leave! You’re the ones who are raping the Constitution. I’m staying.”
But the 60-something-year-old Celente is well past his fighting years, and will regrettably leave the U.S. if the Hun-like savages come for him with goons and guns.
As Gerald Celente spoke those words, every dog in Kingston, New York rose up onto its haunches and howled.
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William of Orange Sat, May 5, 2012 7:13:49am |
Anyone in the mood for a heavy dose of "feel good"?
I think I'll post this in more threads! Love it!
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M. Dubious Sat, May 5, 2012 7:14:29am |
What happened to Ludwig? He hasn't posted in ages. I miss his rants. Also, I get the "no pages found" when clicking his name. Did he delete everything?
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M. Dubious Sat, May 5, 2012 7:15:46am |
re: #283 Gus
You ever notice how EDL members all look like they came from the same parents?
They like their jeans tight.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 5, 2012 7:19:28am |
re: #287 M. Dubious
What happened to Ludwig? He hasn't posted in ages. I miss his rants. Also, I get the "no pages found" when clicking his name. Did he delete everything?
He was here twice this week. His job keeps him busy, but he was finally able to free up some time to post.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 5, 2012 7:22:18am |
re: #287 M. Dubious
What happened to Ludwig? He hasn't posted in ages. I miss his rants. Also, I get the "no pages found" when clicking his name. Did he delete everything?
He was on for a short time the other night. He seemed to be in fine fettle at that time. I think that the Soon-to-be-Mrs.LVQ is taking up his time & he doesn't mind :)
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darthstar Sat, May 5, 2012 7:23:49am |
For those who thought the Grenell story would go away quickly, it appears this isn't the first time a gay staffer has been forced out of work because of Mitt Romney.
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]
Happy Saturday!
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darthstar Sat, May 5, 2012 7:34:03am |
re: #294 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
For those who thought the Grenell story would go away quickly, it appears this isn't the first time a gay staffer has been forced out of work because of Mitt Romney.
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]
Happy Saturday!
Sorry, that was being too generous. This isn't the first time Mitt Romney has forced a staffer out of work because they were gay (and could make him look bad in front of his base).
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darthstar Sat, May 5, 2012 7:38:17am |
Prospective wins the Kentucky Derby with Daddy Long Legs coming in a close second. That's my prediction, and I'll check tonight to see if I was right. (Prospective is a 63-1 shot)
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Lidane Sat, May 5, 2012 7:42:09am |
Speaking of Mitt Romney, Mr. "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" has an idea:
Romney: Anything Over 4% Unemployment “Not A Cause For Celebration”
I know that politicians constantly want to raise the bar on their opponents, but that's just stupid, as the Los Angeles Times points out:
In recent decades, unemployment has rarely been 4% or under. The last time was for five months in 2000 and once in late 1999. The last time before that was in 1970. The federal government began tracking such figures in 1948, and recorded the highest unemployment levels in 1982 and 1983, when it routinely topped 10%.
Democrats argue that Romney is being disingenuous, especially in light of his record in Massachusetts: Unemployment was never below 4.7% during his tenure.
By Romney's own standard, the GOP couldn't even celebrate St. Ronald of Reagan's time in office.
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darthstar Sat, May 5, 2012 7:45:56am |
re: #298 Lidane
Related:
Rom says unemp shld be 4%. I was Sec of Lab last time it was 4%. We got there by raising taxes on rich and investing in ed and infrstructre.— Robert Reich (@RBReich) May 5, 2012
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darthstar Sat, May 5, 2012 7:49:12am |
re: #298 Lidane
Notice how Romney started with talking about how unemployment is above 8% (8.1% now), then realizing it would likely drop into the sevens before the election, pulled 4% out of his ass. Why not just say "Unemployment should be zero! Everyone who wants to work should be able to." ? Romney just wanted to pick a number he knew wouldn't be achieved before November.
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Lidane Sat, May 5, 2012 7:54:12am |
OK. Clever or creepy?
[Link: www.teatanic.de...]
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darthstar Sat, May 5, 2012 7:56:06am |
re: #301 Lidane
OK. Clever or creepy?
[Link: www.teatanic.de...]
Clever. The Titanic sank, what, 100 years ago? I think it's safe to mock now.
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Lidane Sat, May 5, 2012 7:58:47am |
re: #302 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
Clever. The Titanic sank, what, 100 years ago? I think it's safe to mock now.
I want one, just as long as I'm not forced to listen to that damn Celine Dion song every time I have tea. Haha.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 8:06:18am |
re: #237 Dark_Falcon
Ideas on what to do about it? BEcause I understand gangs are serious problem in such cases, but I myself haven't the first clue as to what to do about prison gangs.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Could go back to a system that limited interaction between inmates. Definitely more expensive than the current system though.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 8:08:22am |
That was quick...
Atheist Activist Who Became Christian Returns to Atheism
Patrick Greene, an atheist activist in Texas who said last month he had become a believer in Christ after a Christian woman showed compassion to him, now says his conversion was merely out of excitement.
"I got all caught up in the excitement," Greene, a retired cab driver who lives in East Texas since 2005, told San Antonio Express-News.
In an apparent attempt to play a victim, the 63-year-old resident of San Antonio said, "It's easy to do when you get ostracized and treated like garbage. When you're an atheist, you're public enemy No. 1."
Having gone back to atheism, Greene is opposing Christians once again. He fought against Mayor Julián Castro's participation in the National Day of Prayer event on City Hall Thursday. In a lawsuit, he argued that the event was organized by evangelical Christians, was sectarian and therefore unconstitutional for a mayor to engage in...
Derp. Go away please.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 8:08:25am |
re: #304 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Could go back to a system that limited interaction between inmates. Definitely more expensive than the current system though.
And the prison "rights" activists would be all over it
((not sure in this case they'd be wrong,,,, all but THE most serious criminals shouldn't be isolated, imho))
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 8:09:06am |
re: #305 Gus
who said last month he had become a believer in Christ after a Christian woman showed compassion to him, now says his conversion was merely out of excitement.
Translation ,, they necked !!!
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 5, 2012 8:13:08am |
Hey folks. How's your Saturday going? We got bright and sunny here, maybe good weather for that big moon tonight.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 5, 2012 8:14:53am |
re: #308 Daniel Ballard
Hey folks. How's your Saturday going? We got bright and sunny here, maybe good weather for that big moon tonight.
The weather here is breaking up too so even I might get to see it. We miss a lot of celestial events in Oregon because of the damn clouds.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 8:15:18am |
re: #303 Lidane
I want one, just as long as I'm not forced to listen to that damn Celine Dion song every time I have tea. Haha.
Ugh. I was taught that you don't squeeze tea bags. It presses out bitter oils as well as the last dregs of tea flavor.
Then again I switched over to brewing using loose tea only a few years back in any case.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 8:18:52am |
re: #306 sattv4u2
And the prison "rights" activists would be all over it
((not sure in this case they'd be wrong,,, all but THE most serious criminals shouldn't be isolated, imho))
You'd have to work on the requirements of the isolation. Note from the article that there were daily required interactions and with the staff and warden. So there would be standards there for length, type, etc.
And I mainly mentioned it as a way to address gangs and abuse. It would probably affect the former, and abuse would be from the staff and that would be something you would want to be heavily monitoring in any case.
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Gus Sat, May 5, 2012 8:21:52am |
Gadzooks. Just saw some images from the mass hanging at that Nuevo Laredo bridge.
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Lidane Sat, May 5, 2012 8:22:19am |
re: #310 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Heh. I just want it as a conversation piece. I use my French press for both coffee and tea.
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William of Orange Sat, May 5, 2012 8:22:47am |
Gotye - I kicked your monkey, then I used your goat.
(Another Bad Lip Reading classic.)
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 8:23:54am |
re: #308 Daniel Ballard
Hey folks. How's your Saturday going? We got bright and sunny here, maybe good weather for that big moon tonight.
Sunny and was already very warm on my long quiet drive in to work this a.m.
looking forward to the moon show!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 8:25:17am |
re: #308 Daniel Ballard
Hey folks. How's your Saturday going? We got bright and sunny here, maybe good weather for that big moon tonight.
Overcast and damp here in Philly. Typical spring weather.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 8:25:55am |
re: #313 Lidane
Heh. I just want it as a conversation piece. I use my French press for both coffee and tea.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use with iced tea though?
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Lidane Sat, May 5, 2012 8:27:55am |
re: #312 Gus
And that, ladies and gents, is why you NEVER talk about the cartels out loud when you're on the border. They're not afraid to attack or kill anyone.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 5, 2012 8:33:47am |
re: #318 Lidane
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
As brutal a threat as can be. I used to do biz down there in Guadalajara. No more.
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Digital Display Sat, May 5, 2012 8:37:52am |
I'd like to talk about Junior Seau. My observations of this heart breaking story. I will make a few points that may surprise you at first but read on to see my view of the big picture. I believe this is a tragic case of Football brain trauma. God rest Junior..
Let's go back about a year ago when Junior drove his car off a cliff. Little reporting in the media that he had just got in fight with his girlfriend ( The same one that found him dead). Junior claimed he fell asleep at the wheel.
Sure..Every guy after a fight gets sleepy and drives off a cliff. Right.. You know how guys are..We punch something or go out drinking with the boys or drive cars fast cursing all the way with the radio up all the way. Junior was depressed..I heard a doctor say that amazingly the symptoms of brain traumas are surprisingly similar.. Failed or troubled relationships, Depression, failed businesses and substance abuse. We have known about this for years.Fighter were called punch drunk when they would retire.
Junior knew he had a problem but couldn't fight it.. Why do I know this?
Every guy in the world that shoots myself does so in the head.. Every single one..Why? Guys hate to suffer..Hell they will do that so there isn't any suffering..We hate to suffer..Generally guys hate slow painful deaths and end their lives with a shot to the head or a violent car crash. Junior knew they would study his brain and he preserved it. He hurt so bad that if could have seen the pain in his mother he might have changed his pained mind. But he could not. Rest in Peace Junior
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 8:48:09am |
re: #320 HoosierHoops
.I heard a doctor say that amazingly the symptoms of brain traumas are surprisingly similar.. Failed or troubled relationships, Depression, failed businesses and substance abuse.
Thats been endemic with lots of former athletes, even ones in non-contact sports. Why? They're still looking for the "thrills" they had during their careers, and not much in "real life" can replicate that
They go from training year round, playing and traveling for 8-9 months a year, the adulation, the locker room camaraderie, to what ,,,,, LOTS of free time ,, lots of disposable income,,,
I'm not disagreeing with your assessment, especially the . Junior knew they would study his brain and he preserved it. I'm just saying the post career troubles you listed above are not necessarily due to brain trauma
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Digital Display Sat, May 5, 2012 8:54:17am |
re: #321 sattv4u2
Very valid points..They climb the mountain as young men then what?
The highest paid athletes in the world are basketball players. Most are broke within 5 years of retiring. But that is another story.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 8:55:33am |
re: #320 HoosierHoops
So here's the theory
The Lakers will purposely lose another game or two to Denver to chew up Artests (Metta World Peace) suspension so he'll be eligible for the 1st (or 2nd) game of the next round
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Obdicut Sat, May 5, 2012 8:56:03am |
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Digital Display Sat, May 5, 2012 9:00:51am |
re: #323 sattv4u2
So here's the theory
The Lakers will purposely lose another game or two to Denver to chew up Artests (Metta World Peace) suspension so he'll be eligible for the 1st (or 2nd) game of the next round
I have always hated the Lakers. I root for any team playing them.
Going to a big BBQ tonight for the Thunder game tonight. I'm jacked.
Are you working?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 5, 2012 9:01:55am |
re: #324 Obdicut
I think Mr Reich should also mention that little dot com boom thing as a contributor to well paid employment at the time.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 5, 2012 9:02:40am |
re: #310 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
OT: Is the feline overlord feeling any better?
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 9:03:18am |
re: #325 HoosierHoops
I have always hated the Lakers. I root for any team playing them.
Going to a big BBQ tonight for the Thunder game tonight. I'm jacked.
Are you working?
Yup,,, BIG day here. Not only the NBA games but we're doing the Mayweather/ Cotto fight as well as a handfull of MLS games amongst other stuff
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allegro Sat, May 5, 2012 9:06:26am |
re: #321 sattv4u2
.I heard a doctor say that amazingly the symptoms of brain traumas are surprisingly similar.. Failed or troubled relationships, Depression, failed businesses and substance abuse.Thats been endemic with lots of former athletes, even ones in non-contact sports. Why? They're still looking for the "thrills" they had during their careers, and not much in "real life" can replicate that
They go from training year round, playing and traveling for 8-9 months a year, the adulation, the locker room camaraderie, to what ,,, LOTS of free time ,, lots of disposable income,,,
I'm not disagreeing with your assessment, especially the . Junior knew they would study his brain and he preserved it. I'm just saying the post career troubles you listed above are not necessarily due to brain trauma
Speaking as one who was married to a former pro football player and lived with him and his football injuries for 20 years... the man was beat to hell. The good part of the game was that it gave him a college education (full scholarship to Ga Tech) and a career as a ChemE that he would never have been able to do otherwise. The bad part was that after playing college football and 3 years of pro until his knee was blasted is that he hurt every day of his life, had repeated surgeries on his neck, back, rotator cuffs, knees, etc. and it ultimately killed him at age 61.
The big difference between his experiences (he was pro in the 60s) and the players of the past 20 - 30 years is that when he played, football was still a game and never meant to be a career. It was something the guys did for a while after graduating from college and before starting their real careers. They did not make big bucks playing. There is an enormous difference in mindset that sets today's players up for some very, very bad falls.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 9:07:05am |
re: #325 HoosierHoops
I have always hated the Lakers. I root for any team playing them.
Going to a big BBQ tonight for the Thunder game tonight. I'm jacked.
Are you working?
Rondo put on a hellava show last night
How does the smallest guy on the court snag double digit rebounds!!
And some of his moves/ passes remind me of when I was a kid watching Cousy
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 9:08:16am |
re: #327 PhillyPretzel
OT: Is the feline overlord feeling any better?
He's behaving fairly normally and appears to be getting sight back in his right eye. So the vet has me tapering off the steroid eyedrops that helped with the glaucoma-like condition and we're going to check the blood pressure med levels again next week.
He's also irked that I took him downstairs to a P.A.W.S.* event in the apartment building last night. He's not the photogenic type so I'll have to see if any of the photos came out. I also got him back upstairs before anyone was there with dogs. He was quiet and didn't struggle, but once we came back upstairs I got howled at for the indignity suffered.
*- This is a Philadelphia-area animal shelter that does events to raise awareness about strays, get strays adopted, and so on.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 9:08:52am |
re: #329 allegro
The big difference between his experiences (he was pro in the 60s) and the players of the past 20 - 30 years is that when he played, football was still a game and never meant to be a career
I'm well versed in that. I have a cousin that played in that same era and he had a "fulltime job" in the offseasons to make a living
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 5, 2012 9:10:18am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
Those studies that show income growth beyond all reason with CEO's really should have looked at athletes too. I have a hunch the numbers grew out of hand there too.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 5, 2012 9:10:57am |
re: #331 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I am happy to hear he is doing better.
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allegro Sat, May 5, 2012 9:11:09am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
The big difference between his experiences (he was pro in the 60s) and the players of the past 20 - 30 years is that when he played, football was still a game and never meant to be a career
I'm well versed in that. I have a cousin that played in that same era and he had a "fulltime job" in the offseasons to make a living
Hubby did a paid internship with [some big oil company] during off seasons, so he was advancing his career and they got to be proud of having a football pro on their "team."
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Mocking Jay Sat, May 5, 2012 9:14:06am |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 5, 2012 9:14:09am |
Voter Fraud? What voter fraud?
I met this blogger during Occupy. He seems like a good guy to me.
Long history of Republican registration fraud continues, dwarfs allegations against ACORN workers...
Hat Tip to the Brad Blog
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 9:14:52am |
re: #329 allegro
ESPN had their one 30-for-30 film on Marcus Dupree "The Best That Never Was". And you realize that a lot of athletes follow that same trajectory but never quite rise as high.
And that film also made me disdain the college "football factory" system even more. I've never liked that two of the major sports (football and basketball) use the colleges as a minors system, and that it has essentially corrupted multiple levels of college athletics, and arguably some of the universities themselves.
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allegro Sat, May 5, 2012 9:20:12am |
re: #338 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
ESPN had their one 30-for-30 film on Marcus Dupree "The Best That Never Was". And you realize that a lot of athletes follow that same trajectory but never quite rise as high.
And that film also made me disdain the college "football factory" system even more. I've never liked that two of the major sports (football and basketball) use the colleges as a minors system, and that it has essentially corrupted multiple levels of college athletics, and arguably some of the universities themselves.
I think that once really big money entered that corruption naturally followed. In my husband's day, he was on full scholarship to play football but he also had to carry a full load with his engineering major and maintain a B average or better to keep playing and keep his scholarship to what is still one of the finest engineering schools in the world. I imagine those standards have been slipped considerably due to the money these days.
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andres Sat, May 5, 2012 9:29:17am |
There's some things that are quite troubling. So I was looking at the lists of free ebooks, and found ... this. I found the description highly disturbing.
Just reading the blurb made me sick...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 9:30:12am |
re: #339 allegro
I think that once really big money entered that corruption naturally followed. In my husband's day, he was on full scholarship to play football but he also had to carry a full load with his engineering major and maintain a B average or better to keep playing and keep his scholarship to what is still one of the finest engineering schools in the world. I imagine those standards have been slipped considerably due to the money these days.
It seems to vary. And a lot hinges on the student. When I was an engineering student at Pitt in the early 80s there were a few football players in the engineering curriculum. Generally backup players who were using their scholarship to get an education and with no expectations of playing pro. And I saw that in larger numbers among the basketball players (Pitt was just entering the Big East then.)
Mixed in with this were some players who were pro caliber. And a lot of them, but not all, simply had a massive attitude about themselves and their career - that they were above things like obeying laws and decent behavior. Driven by huge egos that had probably been stoked all through high school and college because they *were* more physically gifted than others.
I didn't follow the pro (if any) and post-college careers of any of these guys, so I don't generally know how they ended out*.
* - A few exceptions. I know one guy had a 2-3 year pro career with the Vikings and was cut. Last I heard he and his father had been arrested for assault. This lovely personality once pulled a hunting knife on me in a dorm room - as a joke.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 5, 2012 9:31:33am |
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Mich-again Sat, May 5, 2012 9:58:12am |
re: #341 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
It seems to vary. And a lot hinges on the student. When I was an engineering student at Pitt in the early 80s there were a few football players in the engineering curriculum. Generally backup players who were using their scholarship to get an education and with no expectations of playing pro. And I saw that in larger numbers among the basketball players (Pitt was just entering the Big East then.)
I was an engineering student at Wayne State in Detroit in the early '80's and I had a lab partner who played football there, D2 school. Paul Butcher, he was an animal. No neck, kind of crazy look in his eye, a killer on Defense. He graduated as an engineer but earned a spot as a special teams player for Oakland Raiders and later Detroit. Even made All-Madden one year. But a rarity for the NFL.. not too many engineers make it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, May 5, 2012 10:02:37am |
re: #343 Mich-again
I was an engineering student at Wayne State in Detroit in the early '80's and I had a lab partner who played football there, D2 school. Paul Butcher, he was an animal. No neck, kind of crazy look in his eye, a killer on Defense. He graduated as an engineer but earned a spot as a special teams player for Oakland Raiders and later Detroit. Even made All-Madden one year. But a rarity for the NFL.. not too many engineers make it.
My father made the OSU football team, but decided he had to choose between his engineering major and football.
This was a good choice, because the years he spent in football in high school have contributed to the fact he is legally disabled at the age of 65. I can't imagine what more years would have done.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 5, 2012 10:04:55am |
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andres Sat, May 5, 2012 10:10:49am |
re: #342 sattv4u2
The author
In 2000 Erne (Lewis) ran for Congress as the Libertarian Party candidate.
Well, that explains the author's POV. But equally frightening is the amount of 5 and 4 stars it has. Either way to many people agree with this stuff, or this is how Paulbots pass time until their "hero" emerges.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 5, 2012 10:20:05am |
re: #344 Mostly sane, most of the time.
My father made the OSU football team, but decided he had to choose between his engineering major and football.
This was a good choice, because the years he spent in football in high school have contributed to the fact he is legally disabled at the age of 65. I can't imagine what more years would have done.
I met a few guys in college who essentially had semi-disabling injuries from high school sports. Blown-out knees, easily dislocated shoulders, etc. One of my roommates in the fraternity had four knee operations before he was 22.
College could do it to you, but at the high school level the trainers and medical supervision appear to be much more scanty and at a lower level of training. At least it appeared that way back in the 70s and 80s. ("Rub dirt in it and take a lap" was almost a reality as a diagnosis then.)
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 5, 2012 1:10:12pm |
re: #346 andres
Well, that explains the author's POV. But equally frightening is the amount of 5 and 4 stars it has. Either way to many people agree with this stuff, or this is how Paulbots pass time until their "hero" emerges.
In this case, it's just another kind of poll stuffing, I suspect. To be fair, my daughter's friends also piled on the Amazon reviews of her autism book.
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