Here’s Bonnie Raitt way deep in the pocket at this year’s New Orleans Jazz Fest, with “Used To Rule the World” from her great new album Slipstream.
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wrenchwench Sun, May 20, 2012 6:00:02pm |
way deep in the pocket
That a musician thing?
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Charles Johnson Sun, May 20, 2012 6:02:00pm |
re: #2 wrenchwench
That a musician thing?
That's what you say when somebody owns the groove. And Bonnie has always done that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, May 20, 2012 6:03:25pm |
re: #2 wrenchwench
That a musician thing?
rhythm/feel term, it means groove + slightly laid back backbeat
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Charles Johnson Sun, May 20, 2012 6:12:06pm |
The New Orleans Jazz Fest put a lot of great performances on YouTube this year.
Foo Fighters:
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, May 20, 2012 6:12:37pm |
re: #5 Charles Johnson
can i haz Probot tour
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Charles Johnson Sun, May 20, 2012 6:14:54pm |
Some more Bonnie, even deeper in that back pocket...
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, May 20, 2012 6:16:13pm |
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ozbloke Sun, May 20, 2012 6:19:13pm |
re: #9 Learned Mother of Zion
Hi Alouette
Your a programmer, can you do smellavision?
I would like for my mouth to drool, to accompany the watering eyes.
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ozbloke Sun, May 20, 2012 6:22:42pm |
SFZ
What's with you capital city?
Walking down a city street, freezing wind in your face.
Turn right, freezing wind in your face.
Turn right again, freezing wind in your face.
Turn right again, freezing wind in your face.
Bloody magic!
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Charles Johnson Sun, May 20, 2012 6:23:20pm |
Neville Brothers were there, of course.
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 6:23:29pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 6:23:29pm |
re: #12 ozbloke
SFZ
What's with you capitol city?
Walking down a city street, freezing wind in your face.
Turn right, freezing wind in your face.
Turn right again, freezing wind in your face.
Turn right again, freezing wind in your face.Bloody magic!
Are we talking about DC or Sacramento?
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Interesting Times Sun, May 20, 2012 6:23:53pm |
re: #13 Gus
Where has the sun gone?! It's the end of teh worldz!!
The sun is not coming back, people. Time to tell everyone you know what you really think about them.— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) May 21, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, May 20, 2012 6:26:08pm |
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:26:34pm |
re: #19 Gus
You mean the sun will only shine on America's hat?
Pretty much, considering the sun don't shine on Canada's butt.
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:27:30pm |
re: #21 Learned Mother of Zion
From my cold, dead, cheesecake-covered fingers.
Cheesecake with cherries and chocolate? You're on.
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 6:28:10pm |
re: #21 Learned Mother of Zion
From my cold, dead, cheesecake-covered fingers.
Surrender the cheesecake or we won't return the sun!
//
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ozbloke Sun, May 20, 2012 6:28:22pm |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
Are we talking about DC or Sacramento?
Oh ohhh...
Didn't expect to be tested...
I thought it was San Francisco city.
18 lanes in one direction at the toll gates.
Alamo Square, Pier 39, Fishermans Wharf, Lombarde st, Cable cars.
Oh, and the homeless man with the 'Its for weed' sign.
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Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 6:30:15pm |
re: #22 Ghost of Insanity
Pretty much, considering the sun don't shine on Canada's butt.
Mama always told me that the sun always shining on a hat when you're wearing a hat and standing in the sun.
//
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Charles Johnson Sun, May 20, 2012 6:30:58pm |
If you try to fake the funk you go to Funk Jail, and Vanilla Ice is your cellmate.
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:31:24pm |
re: #26 Gus
Mama always told me that the sun always shining on a hat when you're wearing a hat and standing in the sun.
//
You're ruining the mystery.
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:32:21pm |
re: #27 Charles Johnson
If you try to fake the funk you go to Funk Jail, and Vanilla Ice is your cellmate.
Hey, no need to be mean.
Is that anything like the twittergulag?
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Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 6:33:57pm |
Wow! Crescent sun view over the Bay Area - watch live now on NBCBayArea.com #nbcbayarea #solareclipse twitter.com/RobMayeda/stat...— Rob Mayeda (@RobMayeda) May 21, 2012
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jaunte Sun, May 20, 2012 6:34:25pm |
re: #27 Charles Johnson
If you try to fake the funk you go to Funk Jail, and Vanilla Ice is your cellmate.
[Link: www.eurweb.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 6:35:05pm |
re: #25 ozbloke
Oh ohhh...
Didn't expect to be tested...I thought it was San Francisco city.
18 lanes in one direction at the toll gates.
Alamo Square, Pier 39, Fishermans Wharf, Lombarde st, Cable cars.
Oh, and the homeless man with the 'Its for weed' sign.
Oh...sorry. No, Sacto is the capital of California.
Yes, San Francisco is a windtunnel. No way around it. We're kind of Tel Aviv's opposite number like that.
I think part of it is the way we're stuck out into the water on three sides, and something about the way the city grid is angled.
My cousins from San Diego used to come and visit, and no matter how we said 'dress warm!', they'd dress for San Diego in the summer. And they'd show up in SF in July, and the fog would be rolling in, and the windchill would make it feel like it was forty degrees, and we'd have to buy them Alcatraz sweatshirts to keep them warm.
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 6:36:40pm |
re: #27 Charles Johnson
If you try to fake the funk you go to Funk Jail, and Vanilla Ice is your cellmate.
Milli Vanilli in the next cell over?
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Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 6:37:32pm |
re: #30 Gus
[Embedded content]
Next show: Transit of Venus. Might rig a small projection scope to catch it.
[Link: www.transitofvenus.org...]
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compound_Idaho Sun, May 20, 2012 6:37:54pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sun, May 20, 2012 6:37:59pm |
Oh dude, we're so boned:
WASHINGTON -- Federal regulators have softened a plan to oversee companies that trade financial derivatives, the complex investments that played a central role in the 2008 financial crisis.
...
The Securities and Exchange Commission and Commodity Futures Trading Commission approved the rule unanimously in separate votes Wednesday. The rule says derivatives used by companies to offset their own risk will not come under scrutiny.
The higher oversight standard would apply mainly to companies that sell $8 billion or more of the investment products annually. By one limited set of regulatory data, 85 percent of companies would not be subject to oversight.
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jaunte Sun, May 20, 2012 6:38:44pm |
“@NobleIdeas: Cool. RT @greenpost unbelievable shot of a plane flying by the #eclipse in Japantwitpic.com/9nfwq6 via @jason_a_jenkins””
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) May 21, 2012
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:38:50pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice
Milli Vanilli in the next cell over?
Now you've gone to far.
Please tell me there's no Bieber there.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 6:39:49pm |
re: #23 Ghost of Insanity
Cheesecake
with cherries and chocolate?You're on.
Bare nekkid ,, the best way, imho
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Aye Pod Sun, May 20, 2012 6:40:59pm |
Just popping in to say goodnight. Spent the day at loggerheads with my pc - discovered that the reason for it repeatedly switching off in the middle of 3d renders was not some esoteric software conflict, but all the crap caked onto my cpu fan/heatsink. Working fine now...lol
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:41:30pm |
re: #40 sattv4u2
Bare nekkid ,, the best way, imho
I ain't dissin' nekkid, but dressed up is to die for.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 6:41:55pm |
re: #42 Ghost of Insanity
I ain't dissin' nekkid, but dressed up is to die for.
Long as it ends up nekkid!
/
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 6:41:55pm |
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:42:04pm |
re: #41 Aye Pod
Just popping in to say goodnight. Spent the day at loggerheads with my pc - discovered that the reason for it repeatedly switching off in the middle of 3d renders was not some esoteric software conflict, but all the crap caked onto my cpu fan/heatsink. Working fine now...lol
Common problem.
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Big Joe Sun, May 20, 2012 6:42:28pm |
I'll have a pic of maximum for SF area to post in a bit...
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Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 6:42:39pm |
re: #36 goddamnedfrank
Oh dude, we're so boned:
Figures. They're just dying to manufacture another bubble. Which is what will happen. We're in a constant cycle of boom and bust even though this bust has lasted a long period of time. Money making money out of thin air. A virtual legal Ponzi scheme.
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Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 6:43:10pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, May 20, 2012 6:45:49pm |
What's the big deal about a solar eclipse? It's just a moon shadow. Welcome to the universe.
Large objects passing in front of other large objects in space. It happens.
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ozbloke Sun, May 20, 2012 6:46:12pm |
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
My cousins from San Diego used to come and visit, and no matter how we said 'dress warm!', they'd dress for San Diego in the summer. And they'd show up in SF in July, and the fog would be rolling in, and the windchill would make it feel like it was forty degrees, and we'd have to buy them Alcatraz sweatshirts to keep them warm.
We have Alcatraz beanie souvenirs.
Left East Dublin, beautiful warm sunny day, thought no way we would be cold...
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, May 20, 2012 6:46:20pm |
re: #23 Ghost of Insanity
Cheesecake with cherries and chocolate? You're on.
There will be a buffet of cheesecake toppings:
Caramel sauce
Red & yellow raspberries
Blueberries
Strawberry & kiwi
Cherry pie filling
Sour cream topping
Chocolate sprinkles
What else?
There will be Cheese Blintzes too!
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 6:46:54pm |
re: #49 Charles Johnson
What's the big deal about a solar eclipse? It's just a moon shadow. Welcome to the universe.
Large objects passing in front of other large objects in space. It happens.
Are there magnets involved?
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, May 20, 2012 6:48:38pm |
re: #49 Charles Johnson
What's the big deal about a solar eclipse? It's just a moon shadow. Welcome to the universe.
Large objects passing in front of other large objects in space. It happens.
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Big Joe Sun, May 20, 2012 6:49:47pm |
Projected onto cardboard box.
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blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 6:50:36pm |
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:50:52pm |
re: #49 Charles Johnson
What's the big deal about a solar eclipse? It's just a moon shadow. Welcome to the universe.
Large objects passing in front of other large objects in space. It happens.
It's magic.
[IDist]"What are the odds the moon would be the right size to cover the sun"[/IDist]
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Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 6:51:00pm |
re: #49 Charles Johnson
What's the big deal about a solar eclipse? It's just a moon shadow. Welcome to the universe.
Large objects passing in front of other large objects in space. It happens.
Changed gaming history. There was a primitive EA exploration game called "Seven Cities of Gold". A game action was "Amaze the natives".
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 6:51:06pm |
A news story that will shock...absolutely no one:
Box Office Report: 'Battleship' Capsizes With $25.3 Mil Launch, Universal Faces Big Loss
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:51:42pm |
re: #51 Learned Mother of Zion
There will be a buffet of cheesecake toppings:
Caramel sauce
Red & yellow raspberries
Blueberries
Strawberry & kiwi
Cherry pie filling
Sour cream topping
Chocolate sprinklesWhat else?
There will be Cheese Blintzes too!
You're killing me here!
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 6:53:14pm |
re: #60 Targetpractice
A news story that will shock...absolutely no one:
Box Office Report: 'Battleship' Capsizes With $25.3 Mil Launch, Universal Faces Big Loss
This will strike a major blow against all board game related movies.
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bratwurst Sun, May 20, 2012 6:53:21pm |
re: #56 Gus
So out of 4 brothers only 1 is left.
Like Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, the oldest brother is the last man standing.
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 6:53:26pm |
re: #59 Decatur Deb
Changed gaming history. There was a primitive EA exploration game called "Seven Cities of Gold". A game action was "Amaze the natives".
I still have that game for the Atari 800XL (If the disk is still good)
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ozbloke Sun, May 20, 2012 6:53:56pm |
re: #63 Kragar
This will strike a major blow against all board game related movies.
And it will be a win for John McCain.
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jamesfirecat Sun, May 20, 2012 6:54:07pm |
re: #63 Kragar
This will strike a major blow against all board game related movies.
I'm given to understanding that Clue was good....
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 6:54:38pm |
re: #67 jamesfirecat
I'm given to understanding that Clue was good...
"I'm a plant."
"I thought your kind was called a fruit."
Yes. Yes it was.
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Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 6:55:24pm |
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Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 6:55:42pm |
re: #62 Ghost of Insanity
Shit happens and runs in families.
And the last one standing is the eldest. Barry Gibb.
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jamesfirecat Sun, May 20, 2012 6:55:51pm |
re: #69 Decatur Deb
And Gettysburg.
Somehow I bet that's more about, the actual battle than the boardgame...
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 20, 2012 6:56:37pm |
re: #27 Charles Johnson
If you try to fake the funk you go to Funk Jail, and Vanilla Ice is your cellmate.
Nah, ol' Rob Van Winkle's too busy taping The Vanilla Ice Project for DIY these days.
///
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Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 6:56:52pm |
re: #71 jamesfirecat
Somehow I bet that's more about, the actual battle than the boardgame...
Gamer response: "There was a battle?. Cool."
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 6:56:55pm |
re: #71 jamesfirecat
Somehow I bet that's more about, the actual battle than the boardgame...
There is a terrible, hilarious board game, called Bosworth, after the battle.
It's essentially chess, played by up to four people in up to four directions.
People who actually play chess either love it, or back away from it with a look of deep distaste on their faces.
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Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 6:57:08pm |
Eclipses aren't that big a deal. At this very moment 2.3 million are happening all across the universe.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 6:57:34pm |
re: #67 jamesfirecat
I'm given to understanding that Clue was good...
You put Tim Curry, Madeline Kahn, and Christopher Lloyd together and you're fine.
Throwing Flint Beefsteak with a popstar out there and hoping special effects will bring in a crowd while a solid franchise is out doing it bigger and better, thats just dumb.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 20, 2012 6:58:17pm |
re: #63 Kragar
This will strike a major blow against all board game related movies.
Nothing can live up to Clue, one of the best ensemble comedies ever, IMO.
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jamesfirecat Sun, May 20, 2012 6:59:19pm |
re: #76 Kragar
You put Tim Curry, Madeline Kahn, and Christopher Lloyd together and you're fine.
Throwing Flint Beefsteak with a popstar out there and hoping special effects will bring in a crowd while a solid franchise is out doing it bigger and better, thats just dumb.
Slate Fistcrunch!
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 7:00:02pm |
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:00:37pm |
If Battleship was released end of summer or around the holidays, it probably would have done alright. As it stands today, well...
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 20, 2012 7:01:20pm |
re: #77 Kronocide
Who sunk Battleship?
Aliens did...they should have just made it a WWII period piece.
If they had, I think it would've done much better at the box office and Liam Neeson wouldn't have looked like he took his role for just a paycheck.
BTW, serves Comcast (as the newest owners of NBC Universal) right that this movie stunk on ice...
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jamesfirecat Sun, May 20, 2012 7:01:26pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 20, 2012 7:02:33pm |
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jamesfirecat Sun, May 20, 2012 7:03:01pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 7:04:10pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, May 20, 2012 7:04:25pm |
Are there any good movies on DVD? I was just browsing the reviews at RottenTomatoes, either it's boring as crap, or if it's something I might be interested in, it has like a single-digit rating.
Last night I started to watch J. Edgar. Lasted about 30 minutes before I started having boredom convulsions watching Leonardo chewing the scenery. Urp, burp!
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 7:04:44pm |
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Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 7:05:44pm |
re: #82 Gitarzan
Aliens did...they should have just made it a WWII period piece.
If they had, I think it would've done much better at the box office and Liam Neeson wouldn't have looked like he took his role for just a paycheck.
BTW, serves Comcast (as the newest owners of NBC Universal) right that this movie stunk on ice...
If you're sending warships against aliens, you're not going to beat the Thunderchild.
Image: War_of_the_Worlds_Thunderchild_by_TroC__czarnyrobert.jpg
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Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:10:43pm |
Speaking of Oz. Time for a Lyre Bird doing a remodel.
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ozbloke Sun, May 20, 2012 7:12:05pm |
re: #92 Gus
Speaking of Oz. Time for a Lyre Bird doing a remodel.
[Embedded content]
Don't believe him, he's a lyre.
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compound_Idaho Sun, May 20, 2012 7:12:37pm |
growing up in small town America
Compound_Jr played his last high school baseball game this weekend. Growing up in small town America is a true blessing. Good player, but not the team star. Small school so anyone with some talent will make the team. No chance at college ball. Dates pretty young thing that has her act together, a musician and dancer. Graduation is next week. Both are off to college in the fall at different schools. Life is indeed good.
It is the young people that are really paying the price in the current economy. I hope the economy turns before college graduation.
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darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:14:42pm |
Straight shot of the eclipse, taken through coastal fog, just now...Got another shot of if during its peak, but the fog hadn't rolled in yet, so it's too bright.
Image: 552784_10150919785478024_669978023_227226686_1818086772_n.jpg
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:17:26pm |
Everyone knows if aliens really want to kick our asses, they could drop rocks on our oil fields, wait a few months for our militaries to collapse, then walk right on in.
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jamesfirecat Sun, May 20, 2012 7:18:05pm |
re: #88 Ghost of Insanity
I loved that scene.
Whedon really knows how to mix humour and dark action.
Except when he's killing off beloved characters because he feels like it...
(Yes I will remain sour over the death of Wash until Serenity 2 comes out and he gets brought back to life by some kind of sci-fi tech or we at least get a clone)
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 7:18:37pm |
re: #96 Kragar
Everyone knows if aliens really want to kick our asses, they could drop rocks on our oil fields, wait a few months for our militaries to collapse, then walk right on in.
Let's be honest, if aliens showed on up on our doorstep, wishing to take our planet, we're screwed. Any species that can cross lightyears is way past the "chemically-propelled chunks of metal" stage in military development.
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 7:23:56pm |
re: #97 jamesfirecat
Except when he's killing off beloved characters because he feels like it...
(Yes I will remain sour over the death of Wash until Serenity 2 comes out and he gets brought back to life by some kind of sci-fi tech or we at least get a clone)
The death of a favourite character is the strongest way to set the mood.
What Serenity 2?
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b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 7:24:42pm |
re: #98 Targetpractice
Let's be honest, if aliens showed on up on our doorstep, wishing to take our planet, we're screwed. Any species that can cross lightyears is way past the "chemically-propelled chunks of metal" stage in military development.
Pocket rail guns at the minimum.
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Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 7:26:06pm |
re: #98 Targetpractice
Let's be honest, if aliens showed on up on our doorstep, wishing to take our planet, we're screwed. Any species that can cross lightyears is way past the "chemically-propelled chunks of metal" stage in military development.
If they show up wanting to end world hunger and include us in their benevolent federation, we're still screwed. Simple societies go in the toilet after contact.
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jamesfirecat Sun, May 20, 2012 7:26:25pm |
re: #99 Ghost of Insanity
The death of a favourite character is the strongest way to set the mood.
What Serenity 2?
"Strongest" or "cheapest/easiest"? I mean honestly, Wash could have survived to the end of that movie, and it would not have changed the plot at all, it would not have made the final show down any less tense, The death was not in any way necessary for the story.
And shut up I can dream there will be more firefly related movies/shows...
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 7:29:49pm |
re: #101 Decatur Deb
If they show up wanting to end world hunger and include us in their benevolent federation, we're still screwed. Simple societies go in the toilet after contact.
Yeah, but they came with this great book, "To Serve Man." Surely they can't be all bad.
//
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:30:16pm |
re: #97 jamesfirecat
Except when he's killing off beloved characters because he feels like it...
(Yes I will remain sour over the death of Wash until Serenity 2 comes out and he gets brought back to life by some kind of sci-fi tech or we at least get a clone)
I have detailed notes on how Anya could be resurrected.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, May 20, 2012 7:34:49pm |
Evening Lizardim. I'm not usually around for the evening crowd, so I hope I don't cause a flamewar by my mere appearance. What is new among the Lizardim this evening?
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 7:37:52pm |
re: #105 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim. I'm not usually around for the evening crowd, so I hope I don't cause a flamewar by my mere appearance. What is new among the Lizardim this evening?
Apparently, those of us East Coast lizards are stuck listening to the wonders of the eclipse. *muttergrumblemutter*
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, May 20, 2012 7:38:35pm |
re: #106 Targetpractice
Apparently, those of us East Coast lizards are stuck listening to the wonders of the eclipse. *muttergrumblemutter*
If it makes you feel better, it's not like us here on the upper Mississippi had it any better. Oh well. 2017 is only a few years off, and then they'll be sorry.
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 7:39:27pm |
re: #107 thedopefishlives
If it makes you feel better, it's not like us here on the upper Mississippi had it any better. Oh well. 2017 is only a few years off, and then they'll be sorry.
Wait, I thought things ended Dec 21st? I had a party planned and everything.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, May 20, 2012 7:41:05pm |
Must go to bed. Starting new job tomorrow.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, May 20, 2012 7:41:28pm |
re: #108 Targetpractice
Wait, I thought things ended Dec 21st? I had a party planned and everything.
I can't imagine the sort of cheesy pickup lines that will be tried at Christmas parties this year.
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ozbloke Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:59pm |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, May 20, 2012 7:45:12pm |
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:51:40pm |
re: #110 thedopefishlives
I can't imagine the sort of cheesy pickup lines that will be tried at Christmas parties this year.
"I call this leg Christmas and this leg New Years and I'd love for you to visit me between the holidays."
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Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 8:03:26pm |
re: #13 Gus
Where has the sun gone?! It's the end of teh worldz!!
OMG YOU GUYS OBAMA IS TAKING THE SUN AWAY AND ONLY TED NUGENT CAN SAVE US!
— Wil Wheaton (@wilw) May 21, 2012
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dragonath Sun, May 20, 2012 8:05:30pm |
I'm kind of waiting for the AFA to come out and say that Obama's responsible for turning the sun half-black.
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jaunte Sun, May 20, 2012 8:26:18pm |
re: #37 jaunte
Oops!
Yeah, I wondered how many of those were real. RT @bonnkansan: Oh geez, that jet one was a fake: is.gd/Mz0Csg
— Phil Plait (@BadAstronomer) May 21, 2012
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 8:30:39pm |
re: #117 jaunte
Oops!
[Embedded content]
No one believes me when I say ninjas appear during an eclipse.
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blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 8:34:51pm |
Maybe someone has already posted this. I found it a bit haunting, but beautiful.
RIP Robin Gibb
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sagehen Sun, May 20, 2012 8:51:24pm |
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Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 8:57:12pm |
Ironic that the right wing OWS watchers are noting protesters at the NATO summit, when those right wingers have been most vociferous in rejecting NATO. Why are they not there protesting as well with their Patriot Buses?
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Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 8:59:21pm |
re: #121 Kronocide
Ironic that the right wing OWS watchers are noting protesters at the NATO summit, when those right wingers have been most vociferous in rejecting NATO. Why are they not there protesting as well with their Patriot Buses?
Because the cognitive dissonance required to protest something you hate alongside a bunch of protesters that you also hate would be too much for them.
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Mentis Fugit Sun, May 20, 2012 9:04:29pm |
re: #82 Gitarzan
Aliens did...they should have just made it a WWII period piece..
Wrong war.
Jutland, The Movie
"There's something wrong with our bloody ships today."
Oh, wait - no Americans in it.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 9:07:47pm |
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
One Eclipse Of The Sun
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 9:15:49pm |
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prairiefire Sun, May 20, 2012 9:18:04pm |
re: #114 It's a cookbook!
Lovely end to Sherlock season 2 tonight.
I've got it on the DVR. We are still talking about "the woman". M daughter talks in a fake english accent after we watch Sherlock.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, May 20, 2012 9:19:11pm |
re: #123 Mentis Fugit
Wrong war.
Jutland, The Movie
"There's something wrong with our bloody ships today."
Oh, wait - no Americans in it.
That also probably explains the lack of drive to remake "Sink the Bismarck". Though I bet given the chance Michael Bay would American-ize it somehow given the chance. Perhaps replacing HMS Rodney with a Lend-Lease US battleship crewed by Americans. And put a crew of plucky Americans in some sort of pseudo-Eagle squadron on that one Swordfish as well.
/
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 9:21:11pm |
re: #128 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
That also probably explains the lack of drive to remake "Sink the Bismarck". Though I bet given the chance Michael Bay would American-ize it somehow given the chance. Perhaps replacing HMS Rodney with a Lend-Lease US battleship crewed by Americans. And put a crew of plucky Americans in some sort of pseudo-Eagle squadron on that one Swordfish as well.
/
I think this songs sums up the current state of historical films
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freetoken Sun, May 20, 2012 9:24:35pm |
The AP story for that ultra-orthodox meeting in Queens, about which there is a Page up:
Ultra-Orthodox hold large NYC meeting on Net risks
Tens of thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jewish men attended a rally Sunday at the New York Mets' stadium on the dangers of the Internet and how to use modern technology in a religiously responsible way.
Women were not permitted to attend the meeting at Citi Field in Queens. However, it was broadcast live to audiences of women in schools and event halls in ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods. The event garnered so much interest that organizers rented the nearby Arthur Ashe Stadium for the overflow crowd.
Eytan Kobre, a lawyer who is the spokesman for the event's organizers, said the rally's purpose was not to ban the Internet but to learn how to harness it.
[....]Shlomo Cohen of Toronto told The New York Times that he uses the Internet for shopping, business and staying in touch with friends, but that "desires are out there."
"We have to learn how to control ourselves," Cohen said.
[...]A group urging more support for the victims of child sexual abuse inside the close-knit community held a counter-protest outside the stadium.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, May 20, 2012 9:34:18pm |
Smile, 99%. You looked beautiful at #NoNATO today:yfrog.com/h8dfvcqij— Occupy Wall Street (@OccupyWallStNYC) May 21, 2012
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Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 9:34:58pm |
In Conservative Media, A “Race War” Rages
It is an article of faith among many conservatives that Obama has exacerbated nationwide racial tensions. Ward Connerly, a veteran California anti-affirmative action activist and leading black conservative, accused the president of trying to take political advantage of "racial disputes," rather than diffuse them.
"Obama has been more racial than any white president has ever been in my lifetime," said Connerly, adding, "Candidly, I think that race relations are probably worse now among the average person on the street than they were the day President Obama was elected."
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 9:38:04pm |
re: #133 Kronocide
Deja-fucking-vu, that's the same shit they squealed back in '08, when he gave his speech on race.
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Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 9:46:01pm |
Riehl thinks this is flattering:
In Conservative Media, A “Race War” Rages buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/i…
— DanRiehl (@DanRiehl) May 21, 2012
MT @BuzzFeedBen: Thoughtful take on delicate subject w @danriehl @tuckercarlson @wardconnerly @abigailthernstr tinyurl.com/bo63h7z
— DanRiehl (@DanRiehl) May 21, 2012
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 9:56:37pm |
re: #135 Kronocide
Riehl thinks this is flattering:
[Embedded content]
"Woah, she calls you "callow" in here."
"You say that like it's bad."
"It means frightened and weak-willed."
"Really? Shit. That was the only part of the letter I thought was complimentary."
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Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 10:13:01pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:27pm |
re: #137 Lidane
So in other words, conservatives are in their own reality again.
Obama speaks out against racism: "He's trying to divide America!"
Obama stays silent: "He's orchestrating a race war!"
Haven't seen this sort of troll logic since the days of Dubya being simultaneously a dumbass and a diabolical genius.
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Mentis Fugit Sun, May 20, 2012 10:22:16pm |
re: #128 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
That also probably explains the lack of drive to remake "Sink the Bismarck". Though I bet given the chance Michael Bay would American-ize it somehow given the chance. Perhaps replacing HMS Rodney with a Lend-Lease US battleship crewed by Americans. And put a crew of plucky Americans in some sort of pseudo-Eagle squadron on that one Swordfish as well.
/
*shudder*
Actually, there's two parts of the Battle of Leyte Gulf which fit the bill:
The Battle of Surigao Strait was the last encounter between battleships, in which Oldendorf executed a classic crossing of the T. However the Japanese were outnumbered badly (six capital ships to two, and similar imbalance in lighter units) which kinda reduces the tension.
The Battle of Samar casts the US as the underdog, with a heavy Japanese force in pursuit of Sprague's light escort carriers, convinced they'd found Halsey's fleet units. Simply extricating themselves from that mess was a remarkable achievement.
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 10:26:54pm |
re: #139 Mentis Fugit
*shudder*
Actually, there's two parts of the Battle of Leyte Gulf which fit the bill:
The Battle of Surigao Strait was the last encounter between battleships, in which Oldendorf executed a classic crossing of the T. However the Japanese were outnumbered badly (six capital ships to two, and similar imbalance in lighter units.)
The Battle of Samar casts the US as the underdog, with a heavy Japanese force in pursuit of Sprague's light escort carriers, convinced they'd found Halsey's fleet units. Simply extricating themselves from that mess was remarkable.
Always wanted to see the Battle of Samar turned into a movie, if only because it's the sort of classic war movie that America loves, the underdog that comes out winning through fierce determination and sacrifice.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:31:37pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 10:33:14pm |
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 10:36:00pm |
re: #142 Targetpractice
Can you imagine the effects budget on the tanks alone?
Needs a love interest. Some Waffen SS guy goes AWOL and hides in a peasant cabin with a young Komsomol girl?
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:37:59pm |
re: #142 Targetpractice
Can you imagine the effects budget on the tanks alone?
Over 2 million men and 9000 tanks on the field.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:38:22pm |
re: #143 Expand Your Ground
Needs a love interest. Some Waffen SS guy goes AWOL and hides in a peasant cabin with a young Komsomol girl?
Love interests are overrated.
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Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 10:39:12pm |
re: #138 Targetpractice
Haven't seen this sort of troll logic since the days of Dubya being simultaneously a dumbass and a diabolical genius.
Oh, it's the same troll logic. Just look at the teleprompter meme. Barack Obama is either completely incompetent and incapable of speaking complete sentences without a teleprompter around, or he's an evil genius orchestrating a fraud on America by being a foreign born usurper. Or something.
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 10:39:50pm |
re: #144 Kragar
Over 2 million men and 9000 tanks on the field.
I can only imagine the sound of it all. Gun fire, cannon fire, treads, gears, engines, the explosions.
Oh yeah, totally a Bay film.
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 10:40:06pm |
re: #128 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
That also probably explains the lack of drive to remake "Sink the Bismarck". Though I bet given the chance Michael Bay would American-ize it somehow given the chance. Perhaps replacing HMS Rodney with a Lend-Lease US battleship crewed by Americans. And put a crew of plucky Americans in some sort of pseudo-Eagle squadron on that one Swordfish as well.
/
Only thing American in "Sink the Bismarck" was the Catalina flying boat that helped spot it.
Movie needs to start out with the story of the Graf Spee, which the captain scuttled when it found itself trapped in Montivideo by a British fleet, prompting Hitler to order that from then on, all German ships are to go down fighting, with colors flying until the end.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:40:54pm |
re: #147 Targetpractice
I can only imagine the sound of it all. Gun fire, cannon fire, treads, gears, engines, the explosions.
Oh yeah, totally a Bay film.
YOU SON OF A BITCH!
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 10:41:56pm |
re: #149 Kragar
YOU SON OF A BITCH!
Now now, let's not be too hasty. It's better than Uwe Boll...somewhat.
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Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 10:44:59pm |
re: #150 Targetpractice
Now now, let's not be too hasty. It's better than Uwe Boll...somewhat.
At least Michael Bay would spend money on visual effects and make every explosion loud and obnoxious. Uwe Boll? Not so much.
Of course, Bay would probably turn all the tanks into Transformers. =P
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 10:45:50pm |
re: #151 Lidane
At least Michael Bay would spend money on visual effects and make every explosion loud and obnoxious. Uwe Boll? Not so much.
Of course, Bay would probably turn all the tanks into Transformers. =P
Think I just threw up a little in my mouth there.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:46:06pm |
re: #150 Targetpractice
Now now, let's not be too hasty. It's better than Uwe Boll...somewhat.
From Hell's Heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 10:48:03pm |
re: #153 Kragar
From Hell's Heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
If you start nattering about Corinthian leather, I'm outta here.
//
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:56:03pm |
re: #154 Targetpractice
If you start nattering about Corinthian leather, I'm outta here.
//
Rich Corinthian leather dammit!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 10:56:51pm |
Here we go again:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
One of those experts is Alan R. Reich, and his answer is that he is certain he can hear a young man he concludes is Martin pleading for his life, from the start of the 45-second recording until the end.
“I’m begging you,” he hears the younger of the two men yell as the recording begins.
Twenty-six seconds later: “Help me.”
In the last second before the gunshot: a high-pitched “Stop!”
Forensic audio "science" = a lot of guesswork and opinions. And in some cases, like in this one, rich fantasy.
The FBI lab report said that the tape is not analyzable "due to extreme stress and unsuitable audio quality", seems like the only conclusion with a high degree of certainty (about uncertainty). Indeed, the other WaPo expert agrees:
Another way to consider the 45-second recording is the way James J. Ryan considers it.
Ryan is the retired head of the FBI forensic audio, video and image analysis unit. He said even the best audio forensic expert in the world using the most sophisticated equipment available would have a difficult time determining much at all from a recording of such degraded quality.
“I think it’s hard to scientifically say anything definitive with audio like this,” Ryan said. “. . . One person will come up with one scenario, one speech, one sentence, and some other well-meaning person, trying hard, unbiased in a controlled environment with headphones, will come up with another one.”
He has a lot more wise things to say.
It's scary that people like Reich are considered "experts" for legal purposes.
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freetoken Sun, May 20, 2012 11:00:16pm |
re: #156 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
People see, or in this case, hear, what they want.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 11:03:33pm |
Spiffydigs at DK answers one more Q about the alleged terrorists:
Had any of the people staying there discussed (1+ / 0-)
violence, either for or against? Did you see the can of gas that one of the three allegedly purchased?by johnny wurster on Sun May 20, 2012 at 02:53:15 AM PDT
[ Parent ]
I saw no gas. (0+ / 0-)
I think the news is saying the gas was bought the night of the raid. I was lying down in the bedroom while the majority of people were in the living room. From my vantage point I never saw a gas can.As for the other question I will say this much. I am always worried when I am around anarchists that they will do something stupid and screw up all the progress that has been made thus far. I heard no conversations among the 3 that would lead me to believe they were going to do anything violent. If I had, you better believe I would have confronted all of them with a fatherly talk. Then I would have left.
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis
by Spiffydigs on Sun May 20, 2012 at 07:58:02 AM PDT
[ Parent ]
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 11:05:03pm |
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:17pm |
re: #156 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
The thing that needs to go on trial is the law itself. Without it, Zimmerman would be in the position of having to justify his use of force. As it stands, it is the state that has to prove that he used excessive force.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:53pm |
re: #159 Targetpractice
Alright alright...J.J. Abrams?
Jean-Jacques Annaud
And I'm keeping John Carpenter in reserve for a 40k Inquisition movie.
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 11:10:02pm |
re: #161 Kragar
Jean-Jacques Annaud
And I'm keeping John Carpenter in reserve for a 40k Inquisition movie.
Oooh, good choice, Enemy At the Gates is one of my favorite war movies.
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 11:10:50pm |
"Candyland" is just crying out to be made into a movie, the screenplay is right there on the box lid!
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freetoken Sun, May 20, 2012 11:11:58pm |
Our America, for May 20th 2012:
From Ohio:
Timing of city council prayer stirs outcry
MOUNT VERNON, Ohio — The time shift wasn’t huge, maybe two minutes. The city council held its pre-meeting prayer at 7:28 p.m. instead of 7:30, and then things proceeded normally. It could have gone unnoticed.
But it didn’t go unnoticed, not in this proudly conservative Knox County seat. As the May 14 meeting drew to a close, four council members spoke against the change. Afterward, on the city hall steps, voices and questions were raised: Who complained? Who made the decision?
Why wasn’t prayer on the agenda anymore?
“I think it’s pathetic,” said local religious advocate Jeff Cline, who approached council members and demanded answers that night. “We keep kicking God out of everything.”
[...]
It’s not the first time this city of 17,000 has clashed over religion.
Four years ago, Mayor Richard Mavis begrudgingly banished the nativity scene from the public square after receiving a complaint, [...]
More famously, Mount Vernon is home to John Freshwater, a teacher fired in 2008 for teaching creationism and religion in his middle-school science classroom.[...]
Cline, a Freshwater supporter known to picket strip clubs and gay-pride parades, said he intends to pack hundreds of protesters into the council’s next meeting on May 29. That might not be necessary.
On Thursday, Councilman Sam Barone submitted a proposal to reinstate the invocation to the board’s agenda. [...]
From Louisiana:
Letters: Defense of intelligent design
[...]
Intelligent design, on the other hand, finds its roots in the theological argument for the existence of God and appeals to an evidence-based explanation for the origins of life in our universe.
[...]
What proponents of intelligent design want is a balanced curriculum that includes the many different ideas concerning the origins of the universe and life within it. Intelligent design is not Bible study; it is a different conclusion based on the same set of scientific facts. Students should be exposed to both.
Joshua Ebey
financial planner
Greenwell Springs
Um... ok... ID's "roots" are in arguing for the existence of God, but it is a "different conclusion based on ... scientific facts." Uh, yeah...
And from SC:
Letter: Teach children how to think, not what to think
[...]
The occurrence of matter from nothing, living creatures from non-living matter, complex creatures from simple creatures or man from ape-like creatures all violate the known laws or principles of science. Yet they are presented as facts in our schools, colleges and the news and entertainment media. These are all philosophical assumptions with no scientific basis.Each and every example presented by my respondent as supposed evidence of evolution can be refuted from the fields of science (although not in a 250-word letter) without any reference to any religious literature.
The debate is indeed a pointless undertaking if we do not care that our children are being taught pseudoscientific propaganda, instead of observable and verifiable data. Our children should be taught how to think and not what to think.
Furthermore, I must chide my respondent for assuming that I am too ignorant to understand or accept his “evidence.” [...]
C. F. (Frank) Morgan, Williamston
So, evolution is "psuedo-scientific" and Mr. Morgan is offended when called on his ignorance. Oh my.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:12:09pm |
re: #163 Expand Your Ground
"Candyland" is just crying out to be made into a movie, the screenplay is right there on the box lid!
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 11:12:17pm |
re: #162 Targetpractice
Oooh, good choice, Enemy At the Gates is one of my favorite war movies.
I might have liked Enemy at the Gates if they were not speaking that awful Dr-Zhivago English accent throughout it. I found myself switching to the German soundtrack so that at least parts of it sounded authentic.
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freetoken Sun, May 20, 2012 11:13:18pm |
Also, only half of NJ appears to accept evolution:
Half of N.J. doesn't believe in evolution
Well... that puts them ahead of many states.
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Varek Raith Sun, May 20, 2012 11:13:33pm |
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:15:47pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 11:18:29pm |
re: #166 Expand Your Ground
I might have liked Enemy at the Gates if they were not speaking that awful Dr-Zhivago English accent throughout it. I found myself switching to the German soundtrack so that at least parts of it sounded authentic.
Yeah, wasn't wild about the accents. But otherwise, the movie was great. Oddly enough, one of my favorite performances in it is Bob Hoskins as Nikita Khrushchev.
"I have to report this to the Boss.
*puts a gun on the table*
Perhaps you'd prefer to avoid the red tape."
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 11:22:59pm |
re: #170 Targetpractice
"Der Untergang" would have been inconceivable in any other language than German, and besides, the YouTube mashups would have been impossible otherwise!
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 11:24:57pm |
re: #171 Expand Your Ground
"Der Untergang" would have been inconceivable in any other language than German, and besides, the YouTube mashups would have been impossible otherwise!
Now that was an excellent film, even if keeping up with the subtitles gave me headaches at places. Seeing the efforts to keep the illusion of a successful defense, of a war that could still be won, alive even as everything was falling apart.
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 11:27:15pm |
re: #172 Targetpractice
Now that was an excellent film, even if keeping up with the subtitles gave me headaches at places. Seeing the efforts to keep the illusion of a successful defense, of a war that could still be won, alive even as everything was falling apart.
And the joke!
The solitary, brilliant bit of German humor, standing like a single snowdrop in a frozen field, in which the Justice of the Peace, arriving through shellfire to marry Adolf and Eva asks (as he is required to do so by law) for proof of their Aryan descent...
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 11:29:35pm |
re: #174 Varek Raith
Das Boot.
I win.
"Battleship Meets Das Boot"!!!
(furiously typing out a spec screenplay for Uwe Boll)
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Varek Raith Sun, May 20, 2012 11:30:48pm |
re: #175 Expand Your Ground
"Battleship Meets Das Boot"!!!
(furiously typing out a spec screenplay for Uwe Boll)
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:34:26pm |
re: #175 Expand Your Ground
"Battleship Meets Das Boot"!!!
(furiously typing out a spec screenplay for Uwe Boll)
Uwe Boll's one funny joke.
Jurgen Prochnow plays a boat captain ferrying a bunch of kids to a rave and one of the kids asks "What are you? Some kind of U-Boat commander?"
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 11:34:38pm |
Idea for a movie: Drop a 21st century US carrier battlegroup in 1942.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:36:12pm |
re: #178 Targetpractice
Idea for a movie: Drop a 21st century US carrier battlegroup in 1942.
Its been done.
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 11:36:19pm |
re: #178 Targetpractice
Idea for a movie: Drop a 21st century US carrier battlegroup in 1942.
I seem to recall hearing of a trashy 80's film/novel in which a US carrier group in sent back in time to prevent Pearl Harbor or something...
cannot be bothered to research title or year.
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 11:36:56pm |
re: #179 Kragar
Its been done.
Yeah, but I mean on a permanent like basis. No "reset button" at the end, no going back.
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AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 11:41:30pm |
re: #182 Targetpractice
Yeah, but I mean on a permanent like basis. No "reset button" at the end, no going back.
yeah, and then one of the crew members is demobilized in San Francisco, joins the budding-but-still-underground gay community there, starts an affair with his own grandfather...
Gotta get typing. Uwe is growing impatient...
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:41:45pm |
Read a book a few years back that would be a cool movie.
Rules of warfare for a federation of aliens says if you want to conquer a primitive planet, you can't use any technology higher than they they currently developed on the planet. In order to get a winning army, a group sneaks to Earth and kidnaps a Roman legion to fight their battles for them. They regenerate the soldiers and freeze them between battles so by the end, they figure out they've been away from home for about 2000 years.
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dragonath Sun, May 20, 2012 11:42:42pm |
Someone should do a film on Fridtjof Nansen.... oceanographer, diplomat, polar explorer, Nobel Peace Laureate, biologist, Norse patriot, and mustache-wearer!
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Targetpractice Sun, May 20, 2012 11:44:03pm |
re: #184 Kragar
Read a book a few years back that would be a cool movie.
Rules of warfare for a federation of aliens says if you want to conquer a primitive planet, you can't use any technology higher than they they currently developed on the planet. In order to get a winning army, a group sneaks to Earth and kidnaps a Roman legion to fight their battles for them. They regenerate the soldiers and freeze them between battles so by the end, they figure out they've been away from home for about 2000 years.
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Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:46:01pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 11:46:34pm |
re: #173 Expand Your Ground
And the joke!
The solitary, brilliant bit of German humor, standing like a single snowdrop in a frozen field, in which the Justice of the Peace, arriving through shellfire to marry Adolf and Eva asks (as he is required to do so by law) for proof of their Aryan descent...
Not at all how it happened.
//
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Varek Raith Mon, May 21, 2012 1:17:45am |
JPMorgan Chase loss only going to get worse
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- One thing seems clear about JPMorgan Chase's $2 billion loss. It's no longer $2 billion. It's likely much higher.
The number being bandied about now is closer to a range of $6 billion to $7 billion, according to several people working on trading desks that specialize in the derivatives JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) used to make its trades and from two sources with knowledge of the bank's positions.
DERP
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 1:28:11am |
re: #193 Varek Raith
JPMorgan Chase loss only going to get worse
DERP
one of the things that led to the banking crisis was the sort of creative bookeeping prevalent in financial institutions.: if a company showed a book loss of x million, that was only the part that they could no longer hide using bookkeeping tricks, the reall losses were several times that number.
banks no longer trusted each other, they knew how much bad debt they were hiding and assumed (generally correctly ) that other banks were doing the same.
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researchok Mon, May 21, 2012 1:33:16am |
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Targetpractice Mon, May 21, 2012 1:37:05am |
re: #193 Varek Raith
JPMorgan Chase loss only going to get worse
DERP
But, of course, stricter financial regulations are simply uncalled for, because it might stifle the poor darlings. If anything, we need fewer regulations!
///
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 21, 2012 1:38:34am |
re: #196 Targetpractice
But, of course, stricter financial regulations are simply uncalled for, because it might stifle the poor darlings. If anything, we need fewer regulations!
///
bankstas
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 1:39:11am |
re: #196 Targetpractice
But, of course, stricter financial regulations are simply uncalled for, because it might stifle the poor darlings. If anything, we need fewer regulations!
///
how else are they to create jobs?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 21, 2012 1:41:12am |
re: #189 Expand Your Ground
a fried of mine did that in grade school for a talent show :D (and got in trouble of course)
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freetoken Mon, May 21, 2012 1:41:43am |
Cast your bread upon the water...
Thousands of bales of pot worth $3.6 million found floating off Calif. coast
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Targetpractice Mon, May 21, 2012 1:42:41am |
re: #200 freetoken
Cast your bread upon the water...
Thousands of bales of pot worth $3.6 million found floating off Calif. coast
...*goes to check on plane tickets to California*
//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 21, 2012 1:45:49am |
re: #201 Targetpractice
...*goes to check on plane tickets to California*
//
Dave's cruise ship's not here
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 1:47:16am |
re: #199 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]
a fried of mine did that in grade school for a talent show :D (and got in trouble of course)
For the Hitler references or just for the rude noises?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 21, 2012 1:50:07am |
re: #203 Expand Your Ground
For the Hitler references or just for the rude noises?
it was a conservative catholic school so probably everything
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 21, 2012 1:53:04am |
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researchok Mon, May 21, 2012 1:57:02am |
re: #200 freetoken
Cast your bread upon the water...
Thousands of bales of pot worth $3.6 million found floating off Calif. coast
Kind of like Cleveland. The back door of Brinks trucks always pop open in Cleveland, with bags of money flying out the back.
The mayor pleads with people to return the bags.
They don't and he loses reelection.
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freetoken Mon, May 21, 2012 1:59:12am |
Zooming in on not too distant galaxy Centaurus A:
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EdDantes Mon, May 21, 2012 2:09:23am |
re: #208 freetoken
It would be unconscionable to destroy a single artifact of human history,
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 2:23:22am |
re: #209 EdDantes
It would be unconscionable to destroy a single artifact of human history,
If one could plead that the overall benefits to all of society outweigh the damages to artifacts, and if efforts were taken to record and document the objects/sites lost, then it might be justifiable.
But this is all about oil company profits.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 2:50:20am |
re: #209 EdDantes
It would be unconscionable to destroy a single artifact of human history,
Indeed.
A 2009 report from The UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (Unesco) said: “the archaeological city was plundered during the US-led war in 2003 that ousted Saddam Hussein.
“Contents of the Nebuchadnezzar and Hammurabi museums and of the Babylon Library and Archive were stolen and destroyed.”
And the city was damaged by “digging, cutting, scraping and levelling” for a US military base that was located there from April 2003 to December 2004.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 2:53:44am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 2:54:39am |
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Hardline Iranian MP on Saturday took a jibe at President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for failing to support an Islamic dress code for women, suggesting the president should now move to open "nightclubs" in the Islamic republic.
Fars news agency quoted MP Ali Motahari as saying that the president's alleged lax views on the Islamic dress code had allowed women, directly and indirectly, to dress in a way promoting "sexual provocation."
"The situation of the (Islamic) veil is tragic... thanks to the apparent and hidden encouragement by the president," Fars quoted Motahari as saying.
Ahmadinejad and his chief of staff Esfandiar Rahim Mashaie have promoted a situation in which girls now "wear (in public) trousers, and coats that don't cover the knees," he said.
"They have actually allowed sexual provocation... and now, they should think of opening nightclubs and cabarets," he added sarcastically in reference to Ahmadinejad and Mashaie.
Ahmadinejad, who has on occasion spoken against the use of police to enforce the Islamic dress code, is seen as too liberal by Iran's hardline regime. And Mashaie is accused of having a negative influence on his boss.
When you're worse than Ahmadinejad... you're pretty bad.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, May 21, 2012 2:57:47am |
I love NPC logic.
Me: Hey Old Wise Man, remember that star that fell from the sky and smashed through the cathedral, well I found this weird dude with amnesia in the crater. I think he's what fell.
Old Wise Man: That's fucking crazy. (To Amnesiac) You don't remember anything?
Amnesiac: Well, I think I was like part of a sword or something, but on the way down the sword broke into three pieces.
Old Wise Man's Adopted Daughter: A sword that broke into three pieces? That could explain why the Goat Men are going totally assneck insane up in the fields, right?
Old Wise Man: Totally! Falling broken swords are like Goat Man catnip.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 2:59:02am |
re: #213 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
When you're worse than Ahmadinejad... you're pretty bad.
When an entire nation is held up as a monster, it is easy to forget that there are movements and shades of distinction within the country.
And there are people (mostly among the bugeoning young, urban population) who find the whole regime ludicrous and outdated. But every time we rattle sabres at Iran or finance infiltrators we are simply strengthening the hand of the conservative/fundamentalist factions.
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freetoken Mon, May 21, 2012 3:16:33am |
re: #211 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
There's a lucrative market in antiquities.
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Shropshire_Slasher Mon, May 21, 2012 5:31:12am |
Orthodox Jews pack Citi Field for meeting on evils of the Internet
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
Facebook's stock will tank I tell ya'
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dragonfire1981 Mon, May 21, 2012 5:35:49am |
I'm sure the wingnuts will have some strong opinions on this one:
Prison riot kills 1, injures 8
A guard was killed and, at one point, hostages were taken during a riot at a Mississippi prison that holds illegal immigrants, authorities said.
The Sunday riot at the privately run Adams County Correctional Center in southwest Mississippi began around 2:40 p.m. CDT and involved dozens of inmates before it was brought under control that night.
Adams County Sheriff Chuck Mayfield told the Natchez Democrat that 15 employees were freed at one time during the uprising by opening a fence and protecting the route with guns. The sheriff said in a statement early Monday that there were at least two dozen hostages being held at one time.
Adams County Coroner James Lee confirmed that a guard died, but said he could not provide any other details until the correctional officer's family was notified. In addition to the guard who was killed, five other correctional officers and three inmates were injured.
Emilee Beach, a spokeswoman at the Adams County Correctional Center said that after the disturbance was brought under control Sunday night, inmates were being searched and sent back to their cells.
Beach said the prison, owned and operated by Corrections Corp. of America, holds illegal immigrants, most for charges of re-entering the United States after being deported.
A privately run prison for illegal immigrants, what could possibly go wrong?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, May 21, 2012 5:38:20am |
Morning Lizardim from the cool and sunny wild north country. Pretty restful weekend this time around, which is going to be the exception rather than the rule, I'm afraid. Sigh. Why does everything all have to happen all at once.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 5:51:22am |
re: #219 dragonfire1981
I am sure that it will be argued that "prison is too good for them", just dig a ditch, line up a firing squad and get it over with...
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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 21, 2012 6:17:30am |
re: #52 Kragar
Robin Gibb has passed away
That's sad. Say what you will about the commercialization of them, those boys put out some good music in their time.
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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 21, 2012 6:18:44am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 6:19:49am |
re: #218 Tommy's cone of shame
Orthodox Jews pack Citi Field for meeting on evils of the Internet
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
Facebook's stock will tank I tell ya'
"Once you start it, you go from one page to another, but it’s empty. It brings you into a fantasy."
Presumably, unlike the Bible. Heh.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 6:31:15am |
re: #224 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Life was a lot simpler when we lived in the desert and herded goats. But not easier. And even if we wanted to go back to that, most of us don't have that option: not enough grazing land left...
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 6:38:13am |
re: #193 Varek Raith
JPMorgan Chase loss only going to get worse
DERP
Greece is still on the brink. Maybe Spain and Italy too. It's only a matter of time before the banks fuck over the global economy again.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 6:40:14am |
Inside Sunday’s violent clash between ‘Black Bloc’ anarchists, cops
Only 4 injured cops, one stabbing and a handful of wannabe terrorists arrested. I'd say that qualifies as a peaceful protest by OWS standards. Good work!
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 6:43:12am |
re: #227 Killgore Trout
Inside Sunday’s violent clash between ‘Black Bloc’ anarchists, cops
Only 4 injured cops, one stabbing and a handful of wannabe terrorists arrested. I'd say that qualifies as a peaceful protest by OWS standards. Good work!
Take a squint with the other eye:
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 6:51:30am |
re: #228 Decatur Deb
Take a squint with the other eye:
The koskidz are doing the usual bleating about police state and wild claims of brutality. It's par for the course. So far it looks like everyone behaved themselves better than I expected.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 6:54:25am |
re: #229 Killgore Trout
The koskidz are doing the usual bleating about police state and wild claims of brutality. It's par for the course. So far it looks like everyone behaved themselves better than I expected.
"Only 4 injured cops, one stabbing and..."
How fortunate there were no other injuries.
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The Left Mon, May 21, 2012 7:03:14am |
My pick for the wingnuts' next outrageous outrage:
Video stirs debate on teacher's actions in North class
After reviewing a video in which a North Rowan High School teacher tells a student he can be arrested for speaking ill of President Barack Obama, the Rowan-Salisbury School System said it can be a learning experience.
Meanwhile, an expert on politics at Catawba College says the social studies teacher just doesn’t have her facts straight when she insists speaking your mind about a president can get you charged with a criminal offense.
Seems like the sort of thing Jim Hoft and Dan Riehl would drool over.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, May 21, 2012 7:06:33am |
re: #231 Millicent Islam
Good morning, {ice}. How are things in the eastern lands?
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 7:08:48am |
re: #228 Decatur Deb
Take a squint with the other eye:
I googled around a bit and it looks like the claims about the National guard are probably bogus. The only mentions of the National Guard and Chicago from yesterday seem to be related to this: Joint chiefs chairman honors Illinois soldiers
Maybe somebody saw some National Guardsmen going to the ceremony and thought martial law had been declared or something.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 7:12:35am |
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lawhawk Mon, May 21, 2012 7:13:51am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area where it's been raining like a monsoon- or standing in a dishwasher. Rain coming down sideways, and slantways, and longways, and backways. We need it badly (down 6 inches from where we should be this time of year), but I'd prefer not getting it all in one shot as we've been doing for the better part of two years. The only reason we're not in worse shape than we are is because of Hurricane Irene and TS Lee last year dumping half a year's worth of rain in just a few days time. Without those storms, we'd be facing something a whole lot worse: severe to extreme droughts right now. As it is, we're dealing with a moderate drought across much of the I-95 corridor.
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kirkspencer Mon, May 21, 2012 7:18:18am |
re: #226 Killgore Trout
Greece is still on the brink. Maybe Spain and Italy too. It's only a matter of time before the banks fuck over the global economy again.
June 17.
On June 17 Greece holds national elections, and the big issue is the economy. I'm fully expecting the winner to be the faction(s) that want to tell the EUROzone bankers "enough". Whether that forces the eurozone to blink, Greece to default and force the cascades, or Greece to leave the Eurozone remains to be seen. I think, however, that it'll be a change from business as currently practiced.
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lawhawk Mon, May 21, 2012 7:32:18am |
re: #236 kirkspencer
I'm not that familiar with the Greek political situation, but according to the polling, which is all over the map, most Greeks back staying in the EU, few want to switch out of the euro, and the extremists on both sides of the aisle are fighting for votes:
According to a survey by the MRB polling agency published in Real News newspaper, New Democracy would receive 24.4% of the vote if elections were held today, up from 18.85% support it received during the last elections. Antiausterity Syriza would receive 23.8% of the vote, up from the 16.8% support.
Support for the socialist Pasok party--which backs Greece's bailout program together with New Democracy--has also grown slightly; the poll indicated it would receive 14.5% support, up from 13.2%. The Democratic Left would receive 6.9%, slightly higher than its 6.1% showing on May 6.
Backing for the far-right Golden Dawn party, which entered parliament for the first time after campaigning against illegal immigration, fell to 5.8% from 7% in the last elections, but remains well above the 3% threshold needed to enter parliament.
Other parties that have lost support in the Marc poll are the right-wing Independent Greeks, falling to 8.5% from 10.6%, and the Communist KKE with 5.9% from 8.5%.
Another survey published in the Proto Thema newspaper by Alco pollster, shows support for New Democracy at 23.1%, while Syriza garners 21.4% of the vote. The Pasok party would receive 13.5% of votes if elections were held today, while four other parties would also enter the Greek parliament.
The survey also shows that 80% of Greek voters would like their country to stay in the euro zone, while just 10% would like to return in the country's previous national currency, the drachma.
On the other hand, two other polls show that support for Syriza has grown even more and the antibailout party would come first if elections were held today.
Specifically, according to Public Issue pollster, Syriza would receive 28% of votes if elections were held today, while it shows support for New Democracy at 24%. The survey, published in the Kathimerini newspaper, also shows that the Socialists would garner 15%. According to the pollster five other parties would enter the Greek parliament: the Independent Greeks, KKE, Golden Dawn, Democratic Left and the newly-formed center right party Recreate Greece.
Another survey by Metron Analysis shows that Syriza leads with 25.1% support, while New Democracy polled 23.8%.
If the new elections produce similar results as the just-held elections, there's no telling what would happen. Magic 8 ball has as good a chance as me to know for sure. And Magic 8 ball says: Cannot predict now. Try again later.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 21, 2012 7:35:02am |
re: #225 Expand Your Ground
Life was a lot simpler when we lived in the desert and herded goats.
I'd wait for the goats opinion on that!
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 7:36:35am |
re: #236 kirkspencer
June 17.
On June 17 Greece holds national elections, and the big issue is the economy. I'm fully expecting the winner to be the faction(s) that want to tell the EUROzone bankers "enough". Whether that forces the eurozone to blink, Greece to default and force the cascades, or Greece to leave the Eurozone remains to be seen. I think, however, that it'll be a change from business as currently practiced.
There aren't a lot of serious articles about what a Greek exit from the Euro might look like. This is the best one I've seen so far.
What would a Greek exit from the eurozone look like?
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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 21, 2012 7:36:52am |
re: #238 sattv4u2
Life was a lot simpler when we lived in the desert and herded goats.I'd wait for the goats opinion on that!
That goat is a damn liar!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, May 21, 2012 7:45:18am |
re: #148 Expand Your Ground
Only thing American in "Sink the Bismarck" was the Catalina flying boat that helped spot it.
Movie needs to start out with the story of the Graf Spee, which the captain scuttled when it found itself trapped in Montivideo by a British fleet, prompting Hitler to order that from then on, all German ships are to go down fighting, with colors flying until the end.
What I thought was nice is that in the movie from the 50s on the Graf Spee one of the cruisers that fought against it got to play itself. :)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, May 21, 2012 7:47:30am |
re: #163 Expand Your Ground
"Candyland" is just crying out to be made into a movie, the screenplay is right there on the box lid!
There is a nice "twist" game on Candyland called "Run for Your Life Candyman". The players are all gingerbread men who are running a gauntlet and attacking each other to be last one standing.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 7:49:56am |
re: #233 Killgore Trout
I googled around a bit and it looks like the claims about the National guard are probably bogus. The only mentions of the National Guard and Chicago from yesterday seem to be related to this: Joint chiefs chairman honors Illinois soldiers
Maybe somebody saw some National Guardsmen going to the ceremony and thought martial law had been declared or something.
A couple hundred guardsmen are in support roles--mostly transport. They did a disturbance response drill.
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 7:54:24am |
Can't really say what the long term holds for Facebook and its stock, but at this moment you're probably kicking yourself if you were one of the 'lucky' people or groups to have the option of purchasing their stock at the $38 IPO price. Opened at 36.56 today and has only been further down since. Right now it's hovering a bit below $34 a share with a low of $33.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 7:56:17am |
re: #243 Decatur Deb
A couple hundred guardsmen are in support roles--mostly transport. They did a disturbance response drill.
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
Ah, that makes sense.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 21, 2012 7:56:19am |
Good morning lizards!
I have jury duty in an hour. My first time.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 7:57:22am |
re: #246 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
I have jury duty in an hour. My first time.
Show them your LGF postings--you'll get home early.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 7:57:29am |
*sigh*
Missouri Legislature Approves Bill Allowing Employers To Deny Access To Birth Control
Missouri legislators passed a bill Friday that allows employers or health insurance providers to stop offering coverage for contraception, abortion, or sterilization if doing so violates their religious or moral convictions. The bill now goes to Gov. Jay Nixon (D), who has not said whether he supports the legislation.
The measure mirrors a federal restriction proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) that has not progressed in Congress and is designed to push back against the Obama administration’s rule requiring contraception coverage to be included in insurance plans at no additional cost.
While some Democrats opposed the anti-contraception bill, it passed the Senate 28-6 and the House 105-33.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 7:59:33am |
re: #248 Lidane
*sigh*
Missouri Legislature Approves Bill Allowing Employers To Deny Access To Birth Control
Ugh. Why don't any of these people ever have anything better to do than trying to screw over women and families?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 21, 2012 8:00:32am |
re: #247 Decatur Deb
Show them your LGF postings--you'll get home early.
I'll just walk in and say "That motherfucker is guilty!"
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 8:01:12am |
re: #250 NJDhockeyfan
I'll just walk in and say "That motherfucker is guilty!"
Hush--you're pointing to the DA.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, May 21, 2012 8:01:42am |
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 8:02:18am |
re: #249 Simply Sarah
Ugh. Why don't any of these people ever have anything better to do than trying to screw over women and families?
They are playing a major role in this election: we know that Obama and Romney are really not that terribly far apart on economic issues, they are both in the pockets of Big Capital and Wall Street.
But when it comes to social issues, the GOP is set on turning the clock back by decades on the gains we have made in personal freedoms, minority, gay and women's rights.
Let people like these continue to remind voters what is at stake if they elect the GOP!
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:03:04am |
re: #249 Simply Sarah
Ugh. Why don't any of these people ever have anything better to do than trying to screw over women and families?
What war on women? If the sluts would just keep their legs closed until marriage, they wouldn't have anything to complain about with these laws.
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lawhawk Mon, May 21, 2012 8:03:46am |
re: #244 Simply Sarah
All that rush to buy FB stock turned out to be less than overwhelming and the churn on Friday didn't generate the expected bounce. Now, we're seeing a buy opportunity for those who think that FB's long term success will be a revenue generator.
We're seeing the stock continuing to drop. It might be a real buying opportunity, but those mutual funds that thought they could profit from getting it in their portfolios are seeing early losses, and that has a spinoff effect too.
What this says could mean is that the stock wasn't priced correctly at its open. It was overvalued, and the price is coming down to about where it should have been priced. If they priced it at 25, instead of 38, they might have gotten the requisite bounce and big open they were looking for.
Oh well, if it keeps dropping, then it might become a real attractive buy opportunity - they've got to show consistent profits instead of consistently bad site revisions and a horrible method of dealing with site privacy matters.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 21, 2012 8:05:41am |
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 8:06:03am |
re: #253 Expand Your Ground
They are playing a major role in this election: we know that Obama and Romney are really not that terribly far apart on economic issues, they are both in the pockets of Big Capital and Wall Street.
But when it comes to social issues, the GOP is set on turning the clock back by decades on the gains we have made in personal freedoms, minority, gay and women's rights.
Let people like these continue to remind voters what is at stake if they elect the GOP!
Quit your left-wing heaving and sighing--my state is about to consider removing the poll tax and segregated schools from its constitution.
Jubilee!!!
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 21, 2012 8:06:13am |
re: #251 Decatur Deb
Hush--you're pointing to the
DAJudge.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:06:52am |
re: #255 lawhawk
Speaking of Facebook stock, Grover Norquist opened his pie hole again:
Grover Norquist: Trying To Stop Billionaires From Dodging Taxes Makes You A Nazi
After Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin avoided some $67 million in taxes by renouncing his American citizenship shortly before the company made its initial public offering, Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Bob Casey (D-PA) introduced the “Ex-Patriot” Act. The bill would make former citizens subject to the capital gains tax on U.S. investments and bar those who renounce citizenship for tax purposes from reentering the country.
To American for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist, Schumer and Casey’s effort is akin to Nazism or South African apartheid, as The Hill reports.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 8:08:49am |
re: #255 lawhawk
All that rush to buy FB stock turned out to be less than overwhelming and the churn on Friday didn't generate the expected bounce. Now, we're seeing a buy opportunity for those who think that FB's long term success will be a revenue generator.
We're seeing the stock continuing to drop. It might be a real buying opportunity, but those mutual funds that thought they could profit from getting it in their portfolios are seeing early losses, and that has a spinoff effect too.
What this says could mean is that the stock wasn't priced correctly at its open. It was overvalued, and the price is coming down to about where it should have been priced. If they priced it at 25, instead of 38, they might have gotten the requisite bounce and big open they were looking for.
Oh well, if it keeps dropping, then it might become a real attractive buy opportunity - they've got to show consistent profits instead of consistently bad site revisions and a horrible method of dealing with site privacy matters.
I can't say I'm really surprised. I know a lot of analysts were saying months ago, when the IPO was priced lower than $38 a share, that they had serious reservations about at least the short to medium range value of the stock at that price. There was a lot of media hype, but behind the scenes it was clear that many people were less than sold on it. Now that all seems to be playing out as people realize the numbers just don't support the $100+ billion evaluation.
Now, in the short term for Facebook it works out since they still raised capital selling at $38 a share.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 8:08:53am |
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:10:34am |
re: #260 Lidane
Speaking of Facebook stock, Grover Norquist opened his pie hole again:
Grover Norquist: Trying To Stop Billionaires From Dodging Taxes Makes You A Nazi
Didn't Grover work for the Reagan administration that supported Apartheid in South Africa? Oh and this is the clown whose pledges Republican office holders and candidates keep on signing. Perspective he is lacking it big time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, May 21, 2012 8:12:08am |
re: #262 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Tell me you have that nic because you're a Beatles fan.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 8:13:15am |
re: #263 HappyWarrior
Didn't Grover work for the Reagan administration that supported Apartheid in South Africa? Oh and this is the clown whose pledges Republican office holders and candidates keep on signing. Perspective he is lacking it big time.
Norquist isn't even a person. He's a walking set of simple logic statements:
If lower taxes then it is good.
If keep same taxes then it is not good.
If any tax (At least on the wealthy) goes up for any reason then it is evil.
He has no depth beyond that.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:14:15am |
re: #265 Simply Sarah
He has no depth beyond that.
Named after a Muppet and trying like all hell to act like one. Except he's way less entertaining. =P
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:14:50am |
re: #265 Simply Sarah
Norquist isn't even a person. He's a walking set of simple logic statements:
If lower taxes then it is good.
If keep same taxes then it is not good.
If any tax (At least on the wealthy) goes up for any reason then it is evil.He has no depth beyond that.
Pretty much so yeah. Really I kind of feel bad for the guy when Geller, Gaffney, and those loons say he's Muslim Brotherhood because he has a Muslim wife and then he says stupid crap like that.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 8:15:06am |
re: #266 Lidane
Named after a Muppet and trying like all hell to act like one. Except he's way less entertaining. =P
Hey now, don't you dare start hating on my old pal Grover!
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:16:04am |
I think I'd rather listen to Grover (the muppet)'s views on taxes. At least they probably make some sense.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:17:58am |
re: #269 HappyWarrior
I think I'd rather listen to Grover (the muppet)'s views on taxes. At least they probably make some sense.
Everyone knows the Muppets are socialists anyway.
Why do you hate America?
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 8:18:08am |
re: #269 HappyWarrior
I think I'd rather listen to Grover (the muppet)'s views on taxes. At least they probably make some sense.
There is a Tax Policy at the End of this Book
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lawhawk Mon, May 21, 2012 8:18:39am |
Dharun Ravi will be sentenced to prison shortly. He was convicted of hate crimes against Tyler Clementi (he videotaped an encounter Clementi had with a man in their dorm room). Clementi later committed suicide.
Some people, including former NJ Governor Jim McGreevey, have come out in favor of leniency. I would disagree. Ravi hasn't shown remorse, and he knew or should have known that his illicit and secret taping could have had negative consequences for Clementi. It definitely sends a message that the state wont tolerate illegal videotaping as a deterrent, and it shows that the state will step up to protect those who might be compromised by illegal taping.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:21:02am |
re: #272 lawhawk
Dharun Ravi will be sentenced to prison shortly. He was convicted of hate crimes against Tyler Clementi (he videotaped an encounter Clementi had with a man in their dorm room). Clementi later committed suicide.
Some people, including former NJ Governor Jim McGreevey, have come out in favor of leniency. I would disagree. Ravi hasn't shown remorse, and he knew or should have known that his illicit and secret taping could have had negative consequences for Clementi. It definitely sends a message that the state wont tolerate illegal videotaping as a deterrent, and it shows that the state will step up to protect those who might be compromised by illegal taping.
It was a very assholish thing to do. The fact that the wingnut bloggers defend Ravi shows what assholes they are. I'm not sure if it was a hate crime or not but it was definitely malicious behavior.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 8:21:36am |
re: #265 Simply Sarah
Norquist isn't even a person. He's a walking set of simple logic statements:
If lower taxes then it is good.
If keep same taxes then it is not good.
If any tax (At least on the wealthy) goes up for any reason then it is evil.He has no depth beyond that.
This is the man who wants to see the Federal Government shrunk to the size that he can "drown it in a bathtub".
Because there are so many good examples of what a small and weak central government is like: Afghanistan, Somalia for starters...
I even agree with Jefferson's adage that "the government is best that governs least", but he seems to want to take it to the conclusion that "the best government is the government that does not govern (or even exist) at all".
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dragonath Mon, May 21, 2012 8:21:39am |
re: #211 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
More on that, from Wiki:
US forces under the command of General James T. Conway of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force were criticized for building the military base "Camp Alpha", comprising among other facilities a helipad, on ancient Babylonian ruins following the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
In a report of the British Museum's Near East department, Dr. John Curtis describes how parts of the archaeological site were levelled to create a landing area for helicopters, and parking lots for heavy vehicles. Curtis wrote that the occupation forces
"caused substantial damage to the Ishtar Gate, one of the most famous monuments from antiquity [...] US military vehicles crushed 2,600-year-old brick pavements, archaeological fragments were scattered across the site, more than 12 trenches were driven into ancient deposits and military earth-moving projects contaminated the site for future generations of scientists [...] Add to all that the damage caused to nine of the moulded brick figures of dragons in the Ishtar Gate by soldiers trying to remove the bricks from the wall."
A US Military spokesman claimed that engineering operations were discussed with the "head of the Babylon museum"
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 8:23:49am |
re: #224 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
"Once you start it, you go from one page to another, but it’s empty. It brings you into a fantasy."
Presumably, unlike the Bible. Heh.
In Soviet Russia, pornography watches YOU!
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:25:13am |
Norquist only cares about one thing, lower taxes above all else. It's pathetic. Typical fuck you, I got mine mentality.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 8:27:24am |
re: #277 HappyWarrior
Norquist only cares about one thing, lower taxes above all else. It's pathetic. Typical fuck you, I got mine mentality.
He probably thinks we should raise taxes on the poor, because they don't pay "their fair share"
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:28:25am |
re: #278 Learned Mother of Zion
He probably thinks we should raise taxes on the poor, because they don't pay "their fair share"
Wouldn't shock me at all. You see that mentality a lot from people like him. Plus alot of them support a high national sales tax which is such a bad idea on so many levels in this consumer based economy of ours.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:32:42am |
Now that Grover has spoken, the rest are falling in line:
Conservatives Liken Dems’ Bill Banning Citizenship Tax-Dodging To Nazis, Soviets
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lawhawk Mon, May 21, 2012 8:32:54am |
re: #260 Lidane
Not a fan of Schumer's Ex-Patriot Act (and it wouldn't affect Saverin because it would be an ex post factor situation); it might make the politicians feel better, but that's about it.
The law presumes that someone leaves the US because they are doing so for tax avoidance purposes and that they must therefore pay to the US an equivalent of their US tax obligation.
It ignores that people might renounce citizenship for reasons other than tax purposes (such as moving for different or better job opportunities, to rejoin family, etc.). It would then ban that person's reentry into the US.
It's bad and shortsighted policy all the way around.
A similar take on the proposed legislation is here.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:33:44am |
re: #278 Learned Mother of Zion
He probably thinks we should raise taxes on the poor, because they don't pay "their fair share"
Oh, of course. Didn't you know that half the country doesn't even pay taxes because they're poor? We need to get them to pay their share!
Idiots. All of them.
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dragonath Mon, May 21, 2012 8:36:00am |
re: #282 Lidane
Ah yes what the Wall Street Journal refers to as "lucky duckies"
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 8:36:43am |
I got processed at my new job this morning with a bunch of interns. There were 19 interns in the group, and 3 regular employees.
I am pleased to observe that these interns will be receiving pay. Out of the 19 interns, 18 are male.
Now the interns are off eating lunch, and I am cleaning up my new cubicle.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, May 21, 2012 8:37:48am |
re: #282 Lidane
Oh, of course. Didn't you know that half the country doesn't even pay taxes because they're poor? We need to get them to pay their share!
Idiots. All of them.
I made so little money on the books last year I didn't even file taxes.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:37:52am |
re: #281 lawhawk
Not a fan of Schumer's Ex-Patriot Act (and it wouldn't affect Saverin because it would be an ex post factor situation); it might make the politicians feel better, but that's about it.
The law presumes that someone leaves the US because they are doing so for tax avoidance purposes and that they must therefore pay to the US an equivalent of their US tax obligation.
It ignores that people might renounce citizenship for reasons other than tax purposes (such as moving for different or better job opportunities, to rejoin family, etc.). It would then ban that person's reentry into the US.
It's bad and shortsighted policy all the way around.
A similar take on the proposed legislation is here.
Fair points but comparing it to Nazism/Apartheid is hyperbolic crap on Norquist and the WST's part.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:38:17am |
re: #283 Be Zorch, Daddio
Ah yes what the Wall Street Journal refers to as "lucky duckies"
While conveniently ignoring the payroll taxes and Medicare and Social Security those same "lucky duckies" pay into. Also, sales taxes, etc. that they pay in their local areas which apparently don't count either.
It's just a bunch of heartlessness combined with abject idiocy to say that half the country doesn't pay taxes. We ALL pay some sort of tax somewhere.
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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 21, 2012 8:38:27am |
re: #282 Lidane
Oh, of course. Didn't you know that half the country doesn't even pay taxes because they're poor? We need to get them to pay their share!
Idiots. All of them.
All those damn poor people living high on the hog, eating 3 square meals a week. They need to be brought down a peg.
//
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:39:09am |
re: #284 Learned Mother of Zion
Unpaid internships suck. That is all.
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lawhawk Mon, May 21, 2012 8:39:19am |
re: #286 HappyWarrior
That's absolutely true. Norquist's hyperbole and invective are just wrong.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:40:19am |
Yeah it's so tough being a rich person in this country. If some of the rich or their advocates were at least honest about how fortunate they are, there wouldn't be the criticism of the rich that exists. Sorry no sympathy for a guy who makes gross a million plus a year and then has to pay more taxes than the a person who makes less. That's part of how the system works. I know not every rich person thinks this way but the let's coddle and feel bad for the rich people piss me off.
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Interesting Times Mon, May 21, 2012 8:40:54am |
If you thought the solar eclipse was cool, come visit North Korea. The lights have been out here for 60 years.— KimJongNumberUn (@KimJongNumberUn) May 21, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 8:41:16am |
My new job has put me into a higher tax bracket than my previous job.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, May 21, 2012 8:43:50am |
Alrighty. Hot dog time. See y'all tomorrow.:)
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:44:09am |
The other annoying thing that Norquist/WST and like minded individuals do aside from expecting us to have a pity parade for the wealthy is scapegoat the less fortunate. That's crap. And it's far greater class warfare than anything Obama has proposed doing. Why less well off people continue to vote for politicians that support these reactionary policies amazes me.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 8:46:15am |
re: #284 Learned Mother of Zion
I got processed at my new job this morning with a bunch of interns. There were 19 interns in the group, and 3 regular employees.
I am pleased to observe that these interns will be receiving pay. Out of the 19 interns, 18 are male.
Now the interns are off eating lunch, and I am cleaning up my new cubicle.
Hooray!
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:48:03am |
Hawaii Responds to Arizona Secretary of State's Obama birth records request
The state of Hawaii has responded to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett’s request for proof that President Barack Obama was in fact born in the Aloha State.
The Hawaii attorney general’s office has reportedly told Bennett that there are steps he needs to take in order to confirm President Obama’s birth records.
Those steps include Bennett proving that he legitimately needs confirmation
in order to update the records at his office.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 21, 2012 8:49:16am |
re: #297 Lidane
Those steps include Bennett proving that he legitimately needs confirmation in order to update the records at his office.
I wonder what that proof might consist of.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 8:50:28am |
re: #298 wrenchwench
I wonder what that proof might consist of.
I don't know, but if Hawaii is smart, they'll run this assclown through a Gordian knot of red tape from now until the election just to piss him off. This birther shit has to stop.
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bratwurst Mon, May 21, 2012 8:50:38am |
re: #293 Learned Mother of Zion
My new job has put me into a higher tax bracket than my previous job.
To hear some people talk, that should have driven you to move overseas or just give up working!
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:50:43am |
Somehow I think Bennett will look for some excuse regarding the certificate. I love how he uses the excuse that he's not a birther and he was just following up on letters from concerned citizens. Yeah, right.
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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 21, 2012 8:50:44am |
re: #298 wrenchwench
I wonder what that proof might consist of.
Doesn't matter, the show will go on.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 8:51:24am |
We're going to have birthers long after President Obama dies. It's just an unfortunate fact.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 8:54:28am |
re: #300 bratwurst
To hear some people talk, that should have driven you to move overseas or just give up working!
Well yeah because, who would want to work at an actual job for $60,000 year when you can get $6,000 a year in welfare benefits!//
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 8:55:58am |
Kudos to the Koskidz!
The full context of the "police beating" at the top of the rec list.
There's the full context of the photo sequence that the diarist refuses to post. Defend the protester's attacks as "agent provocateurs" or however you wish, but don't dabble in dishonesty. There are plenty of examples of police brutality in this country without having to misrepresent protesters attacking police, and the police having the "gall" to fight back. It doesn't matter who starts it -- when you hit a police officer, you lose your right to bitch when they fight back in self defense. Welcome to reality.
It's nice to see some intellectual honesty from the left about the fake claims of police brutality. Well done.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 8:56:40am |
re: #297 Lidane
Hawaii Responds to Arizona Secretary of State's Obama birth records request
Why are the officials in Arizona not satisified with a long-form birth certificate?
Oh, right. Because they are not birthers, just concerned public officials responding to questions from concerned citizens.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 8:57:37am |
Full size pics here: Anatomy of a clash
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wrenchwench Mon, May 21, 2012 9:01:30am |
re: #262 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
I think I can see you!
My brother tweeted that this morning. He said it's Moscow.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:01:32am |
re: #307 Killgore Trout
Full size pics here: Anatomy of a clash
Yes, I saw the last photo of the series and withheld judgement for not being able to fit it into any context.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:02:01am |
re: #308 wrenchwench
I think I can see you!
My brother tweeted that this morning. He said it's Moscow.
it is
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 9:02:21am |
re: #306 Expand Your Ground
Why are the officials in Arizona not satisified with a long-form birth certificate?
Oh, right. Because they are not birthers, just concerned public officials responding to questions from concerned citizens.
Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, so he can't be a natural born citizen!
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Shropshire_Slasher Mon, May 21, 2012 9:03:19am |
re: #307 Killgore Trout
That last photo is precious.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:05:32am |
re: #297 Lidane
It is almost irrelevant and academic, Obama is not going to win any electgoral votes in Arizona.
But keeping Obama off the ballot would be a feather in their cap and prove beyond all doubt that Arizona is The Dumbest F*cking State in the Union, Bar None.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 9:06:49am |
re: #293 Learned Mother of Zion
My new job has put me into a higher tax bracket than my previous job.
It would be nice to pay a million in taxes.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 9:08:17am |
re: #309 Expand Your Ground
Yes, I saw the last photo of the series and withheld judgement for not being able to fit it into any context.
It's been a frustration of mine with this whole OWS thing. The original diary claiming police brutality linked to the one pic in the series to claim police brutality. He/she obviously saw the other pictures showing the context. It's dishonest. I can't count how many videos I've seen of protesters attacking police then shouting "shame, shame" when the police respond. They know what's really going on but chose to disconnect from reality and pretend the police are attacking them for no reason. When the protester in Oakland was seriously injured the protesters were throwing rocks and bottles. Everybody knows that but they chose to ignore their own complicity in creating these incidents.
It just makes no sense to me.
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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 21, 2012 9:10:07am |
re: #306 Expand Your Ground
Why are the officials in Arizona not satisified with a long-form birth certificate?
Oh, right. Because they are not birthers, just concerned public officials responding to questions from concerned citizens.
Then why do they keep ignoring me when I keep asking about the UFO invasion of our great nation. I think they are playing favorites.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 9:12:02am |
re: #312 Tommy's cone of shame
That last photo is precious.
Also notice the bleach blonde chick. It appears she's trying to take off police helmets.
[Link: galleries.apps.chicagotribune.com...]
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 9:12:30am |
re: #315 Killgore Trout
It's been a frustration of mine with this whole OWS thing. The original diary claiming police brutality linked to the one pic in the series to claim police brutality. He/she obviously saw the other pictures showing the context. It's dishonest. I can't count how many videos I've seen of protesters attacking police then shouting "shame, shame" when the police respond. They know what's really going on but chose to disconnect from reality and pretend the police are attacking them for no reason. When the protester in Oakland was seriously injured the protesters were throwing rocks and bottles. Everybody knows that but they chose to ignore their own complicity in creating these incidents.
It just makes no sense to me.
This bunch was cleverly concealing a trebuchet.
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prairiefire Mon, May 21, 2012 9:12:45am |
re: #293 Learned Mother of Zion
My new job has put me into a higher tax bracket than my previous job.
I'm going to take that as a good thing. Congrats!
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:13:40am |
re: #315 Killgore Trout
There are also many, many, many real cases of police brutality.
It's a good thing to try to understand-- some cases occur, not every reported case is true. If you can't understand this, you wind up doing assholic things like celebrating when a cop assaults women who are peacefully protesting. Then things get creepy.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 9:15:43am |
re: #318 Decatur Deb
This bunch was cleverly concealing a trebuchet.
That's another one. Although the officer was admonished when you watch the whole video in context it's pretty easy to see why it happened. Even the protesters on the scene started to back away when the mic check went out making demands. It was a stupid and dangerous provocation.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 9:17:43am |
re: #320 Obdicut
There are also many, many, many real cases of police brutality.
It's a good thing to try to understand-- some cases occur, not every reported case is true. If you can't understand this, you wind up doing assholic things like celebrating when a cop assaults women who are peacefully protesting. Then things get creepy.
The constant fake allegations cheapen the seriousness of real police brutality.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 9:18:16am |
re: #320 Obdicut
There are also many, many, many real cases of police brutality.
It's a good thing to try to understand-- some cases occur, not every reported case is true. If you can't understand this, you wind up doing assholic things like celebrating when a cop assaults women who are peacefully protesting. Then things get creepy.
A common marginalizing tactic that goes beyond the MBF. Find one or two extreme situations that back your preconceived position and treat those as proof that all the dozens/hundreds/thousands of legit cases can be ignored. See: 'Welfare queens' in the 80s and 90s or false sexual assault accusations even now.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 9:19:03am |
re: #321 Killgore Trout
That's another one. Although the officer was admonished when you watch the whole video in context it's pretty easy to see why it happened. Even the protesters on the scene started to back away when the mic check went out making demands. It was a stupid and dangerous provocation.
The media coverage of the protests is nothing more than a Rorshach test. We see what we expect to see. There is no real dataset to point to objective truth, and no interest in creating one.
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:20:11am |
re: #322 Killgore Trout
The constant fake allegations cheapen the seriousness of real police brutality.
Sure. But it's inevitable, and it's a lot more credible, likewise, because there are so many cases of real police brutality-- and often with very little done discipline-wise to the officers.
That's why, again, it's important to not simply knee-jerk react to a report and assume either the cop or the other person is in the right or wrong.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 9:21:02am |
re: #322 Killgore Trout
The constant fake allegations cheapen the seriousness of real police brutality.
When there are so many real examples, it becomes easy for people to become overly sensitive and support questionable reports. If something is normally true, it's pretty natural to treat another instance of it with a presumption of truth.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 9:22:33am |
re: #323 Simply Sarah
A common marginalizing tactic that goes beyond the MBF. Find one or two extreme situations that back your preconceived position and treat those as proof that all the dozens/hundreds/thousands of legit cases can be ignored. See: 'Welfare queens' in the 80s and 90s or false sexual assault accusations even now.
There were all those "repressed memory" or "recovered memory" cases about 10 years ago, were any of those valid or was the whole thing a bunch of woo?
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:22:35am |
re: #326 Simply Sarah
It's not 'normally true' that any given report of police violence is true, though. It's certainly a common phenomenon, but as the bomber said, the data is very hard to acquire.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 9:23:13am |
re: #328 Obdicut
It's not 'normally true' that any given report of police violence is true, though. It's certainly a common phenomenon, but as the bomber said, the data is very hard to acquire.
Well, granted. I perhaps should have said "if it's true often enough."
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:24:05am |
re: #327 Learned Mother of Zion
There were all those "repressed memory" or "recovered memory" cases about 10 years ago, were any of those valid or was the whole thing a bunch of woo?
The debate still goes on. There certainly are cases of people making true claims that only come later in life that claim to have repressed the memory, but it's really hard to tell if that's true or if there's a different psychological mechanism at work, whether telling themselves they repressed it and only now remember help them come to terms with it. There are also definite cases of fabrication-by-psychiatrist, which absolutely suck.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:24:29am |
re: #323 Simply Sarah
A common marginalizing tactic that goes beyond the MBF. Find one or two extreme situations that back your preconceived position and treat those as proof that all the dozens/hundreds/thousands of legit cases can be ignored. See: 'Welfare queens' in the 80s and 90s or false sexual assault accusations even now.
News is no longer about reporting facts. It is about broadcasting things that confirm peoples' preconceived notions.
That is what gets them to tune in, and those ratings in turn generate advertising revenue, which is the real product that networks sell these days.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 9:25:33am |
re: #327 Learned Mother of Zion
There were all those "repressed memory" or "recovered memory" cases about 10 years ago, were any of those valid or was the whole thing a bunch of woo?
As far as anyone is aware, those were all a bunch of woo. All evidence points to saying that there simply is no such thing as a "repressed memory."
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:25:42am |
re: #331 Expand Your Ground
It's also about using the news to shape opinion, rather than reflect it, depending on the news source. How much of that is intentional and how much of it just represents those preconceived notions at work in the producers and performers on the news, who knows.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 9:26:21am |
re: #328 Obdicut
It's not 'normally true' that any given report of police violence is true, though. It's certainly a common phenomenon, but as the bomber said, the data is very hard to acquire.
A decent study can be done, as in the Walker Report, but this cycle hasn't really risen to that level of importance.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 9:26:35am |
re: #313 Expand Your Ground
I think that's what kills me. Arizona is a red state that I doubt Obama would win anyhow. What the hell is the point of trying to keep him off the ballot apart from appeasing the raving wingnuts?
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 9:27:06am |
re: #331 Expand Your Ground
News is no longer about reporting facts. It is about broadcasting things that confirm peoples' preconceived notions.
That is what gets them to tune in, and those ratings in turn generate advertising revenue, which is the real product that networks sell these days.
I think that's very true. MSM will report whatever gets them the best ratings and offends the least people. They went easy on the Tea Party to avoid alienating wingnuts and they do the same with OWS to avoid offending the moonbats. Occasionally some real reporting happens but it's all too rare.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:27:06am |
re: #333 Obdicut
It's also about using the news to shape opinion, rather than reflect it, depending on the news source. How much of that is intentional and how much of it just represents those preconceived notions at work in the producers and performers on the news, who knows.
We need a Ministry of Fairness and Balance to make sure that viewers are exposed to The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth!!!
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 9:27:06am |
re: #335 Lidane
I think that's what kills me. Arizona is a red state that I doubt Obama would win anyhow. What the hell is the point of trying to keep him off the ballot apart from appeasing the raving wingnuts?
"All derp is local."
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 9:28:06am |
Lunchtime. I'll be back for the blow-by-blow highlights.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:28:19am |
re: #335 Lidane
I think that's what kills me. Arizona is a red state that I doubt Obama would win anyhow. What the hell is the point of trying to keep him off the ballot apart from appeasing the raving wingnuts?
They just want to prove for once and for all that they are the Dumbest F*cking State in the Union, Bar None
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:28:42am |
re: #334 Decatur Deb
It's hard to detect what the 'background level' of cops assaulting people and vice versa is, too. A lot of cops won't charge a drunk that pushes them with assault. And a lot of cops think a few hard knocks are routine in arresting people.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 9:28:52am |
re: #332 Simply Sarah
As far as anyone is aware, those were all a bunch of woo. All evidence points to saying that there simply is no such thing as a "repressed memory."
Well, at least, nothing to indicate that they are real and a lot of evidence to indicate that they can be 'created' through retrieval attempts. Even if they do exist, we basically wouldn't be able to tell.
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:29:24am |
re: #336 Killgore Trout
I think that's very true. MSM will report whatever gets them the best ratings and offends the least people.
The latter is not true. In fact, the statement is pretty contradictory; in order to get the best ratings, you're going to have to wind up offending a hell of a lot of people. Fox doesn't get its good ratings by trying not to offend people.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:32:51am |
re: #343 Obdicut
The latter is not true. In fact, the statement is pretty contradictory; in order to get the best ratings, you're going to have to wind up offending a hell of a lot of people. Fox doesn't get its good ratings by trying not to offend people.
There are different sales strategies, but please keep in mind: news is not the product they are offering. It is a means of attracting viewers, which raises the prices they can charge for their actual product, which is advertising time.
Fox has a particular demographic locked up, they are going to continue to appeal to these people so they can charge prime rates for commercials.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 9:33:06am |
re: #340 Expand Your Ground
They just want to prove for once and for all that they are the Dumbest F*cking State in the Union, Bar None
Everyone's got to have goals, I guess.
Still, it's telling that the last time a major party presidential candidate wasn't available as an option to voters was in 1860. The Republicans chose not to campaign in the South or bring their ballots for Lincoln to the South (since elections were done differently back then) so as a consequences Lincoln didn't get any votes in the Southern states.
Now all these neo-Confederate assholes want to take Obama off the ballot for their own conspiracy-fueled reasons. It's insane.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 9:34:23am |
re: #345 Lidane
Everyone's got to have goals, I guess.
Still, it's telling that the last time a major party presidential candidate wasn't available as an option to voters was in 1860. The Republicans chose not to campaign in the South or bring their ballots for Lincoln to the South (since elections were done differently back then) so as a consequences Lincoln didn't get any votes in the Southern states.
Now all these neo-Confederate assholes want to take Obama off the ballot for their own conspiracy-fueled reasons. It's insane.
The 1860 election was split four ways, when was the last time there were more than two major parties?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 9:35:21am |
re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tell me you have that nic because you're a Beatles fan.
No, I'm back from vacation in Europe.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, May 21, 2012 9:35:55am |
re: #347 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
No, I'm back from vacation in Europe.
And you're a time traveler!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, May 21, 2012 9:36:18am |
re: #331 Expand Your Ground
News is no longer about reporting facts. It is about broadcasting things that confirm peoples' preconceived notions.
That is what gets them to tune in, and those ratings in turn generate advertising revenue, which is the real product that networks sell these days.
WE HARVEST YOUR EMOTIONAL CONTENT IN ORDER TO GAIN ADVERTISEMENT REVENUE. FOX THANKS YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT - AND KEEP HATING!
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:36:34am |
re: #344 Expand Your Ground
Well, news isn't the product, but there is a very definite attempt to actually influence politics from many media places. Hell, newspapers endorse candidates-- the media has always been an influencer in politics. It's better for them to be honest about it then pretend to be non-partisan-- that's the part that I don't get, the fig-leaf. It doesn't seem necessary, from a business sense or a political sense. Fox viewers wouldn't be turned off by Fox saying outright that they were a conservative TV station. I guess by claiming to be non-partisan they can try to make radical ideals appear more central, but I'm not sure who is fooled.
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Lidane Mon, May 21, 2012 9:37:23am |
re: #346 Learned Mother of Zion
The 1860 election was split four ways, when was the last time there were more than two major parties?
That too. The Democrats split into pieces, the Republicans chose to ignore the South outright because they knew they wouldn't win, and everything was split four ways.
I guess that's the point, really. The last time we had a candidate "off the ballot" was when the GOP ignored the South in 1860 and the country was quickly falling apart and descending into civil war. It's absolute lunacy that anyone would even want to take the sitting POTUS off the ballot to appease the raving lunatics.
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lawhawk Mon, May 21, 2012 9:40:21am |
12:34 p.m. - Dharun Ravi will serve a 30-day jail term, beginning on May 31.
I think that's pretty lenient considering that the judge noted that Ravi showed no contrition at any point for his acts; he never apologized.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:41:14am |
re: #350 Obdicut
There was a time when being neutral, or at least making an ongoing effort to maintain neutrality, was seen as a sign of quality in news broadcasting.
That distinction has been cast overboard.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 9:41:17am |
I don't think I've ever seen a sitting president kept off a state's ballot before. There is no explanation for this other than that the Arizona SoS who is rumored to be running for his party's governor nomination in 2014 is desperate to pander to the crazies.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 9:42:36am |
re: #352 lawhawk
12:34 p.m. - Dharun Ravi will serve a 30-day jail term, beginning on May 31.
I think that's pretty lenient considering that the judge noted that Ravi showed no contrition at any point for his acts; he never apologized.
It does yes. Can't believe the guy has shown no guilt. What a shitty thing he did to that kid. It would have been equally embarrassing I imagine if he had filmed him having sex with a women and posted it online.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 9:42:51am |
re: #352 lawhawk
12:34 p.m. - Dharun Ravi will serve a 30-day jail term, beginning on May 31.
I think that's pretty lenient considering that the judge noted that Ravi showed no contrition at any point for his acts; he never apologized.
Are they going to put in a webcam so we can watch him being gang-raped?
/
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 9:43:31am |
re: #357 Expand Your Ground
Are they going to put in a webcam so we can watch him being gang-raped?
/
I really don't think this is appropriate, even in jest.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 9:43:43am |
re: #305 Killgore Trout
Kudos to the Koskidz!
The full context of the "police beating" at the top of the rec list.It's nice to see some intellectual honesty from the left about the fake claims of police brutality. Well done.
Glad you showed intellectual honesty posting this "internal" critique.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 9:47:19am |
re: #352 lawhawk
12:34 p.m. - Dharun Ravi will serve a 30-day jail term, beginning on May 31.
I think that's pretty lenient considering that the judge noted that Ravi showed no contrition at any point for his acts; he never apologized.
I'm honestly not sure what I think a proper punishment should have been for Ravi. I do, however, agree with many commentators over the fact that too much focus has been on him and not enough of it on the wider culture that helped drive Tyler to where he ended up. It wasn't just Ravi and his actions that led to this.
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dragonath Mon, May 21, 2012 9:48:18am |
re: #351 Lidane
Sometimes I see southern apologists trying to make the point that it was the Republican party's fault for being a sectional party. Ha. The South didn't even have a secret ballot at that point in time so who knows what kind of reprisals they would have faced.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 9:49:02am |
re: #352 lawhawk
12:34 p.m. - Dharun Ravi will serve a 30-day jail term, beginning on May 31.
I think that's pretty lenient considering that the judge noted that Ravi showed no contrition at any point for his acts; he never apologized.
Good. While Ravi is an asshole, a lot of accusations in the media against him were embellished and exaggerated.
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lawhawk Mon, May 21, 2012 9:49:14am |
re: #354 Obdicut
Yes, those were felony convictions. The jury found Ravi guilty on all 15 charges faced back in March, including bias intimidation, invasion of privacy and witness and evidence tampering.
The judge had plenty of discretion in the sentencing, since the max sentence was 10 years.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 9:49:30am |
First-person view: Cops clash with NATO protesters (video)
Chicago Tribune photojournalist Alex Garcia gets a first-person view of the tense confrontations between Chicago police and anti-NATO protesters in the South Loop Sunday afternoon, using a mounted GoPro video camera.
You can see the protesters throwing things at cops before the confrontation and then the protesters attack with sticks and flag poles.
All the while chanting "shame shame shame" at the officers.
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Obdicut Mon, May 21, 2012 9:50:41am |
re: #363 lawhawk
I think it's a fair sentence. As Sergey says, a lot of the shit stirred up about him was bogus. He does seem like a really creepy guy, but acting lay gay people are weird animals is pretty common in this nation.
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RadicalModerate Mon, May 21, 2012 9:50:59am |
re: #335 Lidane
I think that's what kills me. Arizona is a red state that I doubt Obama would win anyhow. What the hell is the point of trying to keep him off the ballot apart from appeasing the raving wingnuts?
Last few polls I've seen have Arizona as a "tossup" state. Also, Arizona isn't alone in this birtherism - there's probably a half dozen states out there whose Secretary of States and Attorneys General would move to keep Obama off the ballot - including swing states like Virginia and Florida.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 9:52:18am |
re: #366 RadicalModerate
Last few polls I've seen have Arizona as a "tossup" state. Also, Arizona isn't alone in this birtherism - there's probably a half dozen states out there whose Secretary of States and Attorneys General would move to keep Obama off the ballot - including swing states like Virginia and Florida.
Not sure about Va's SoS but our AG is running for governor in 2013 and he's a huge TP ally. Not sure if he's dabbled in birtherism or not but Cuccinnelli is a kook.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 21, 2012 9:53:42am |
re: #359 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Glad you showed intellectual honesty posting this "internal" critique.
Interesting that over at Dkos internal critiques of violent protesters can make the rec list. Over here it gets you on the bottom rated list.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 9:54:08am |
re: #365 Obdicut
I think it's a fair sentence. As Sergey says, a lot of the shit stirred up about him was bogus. He does seem like a really creepy guy, but acting lay gay people are weird animals is pretty common in this nation.
I'd basically call him a guilty scapegoat. What he did was, without question, wrong and he has shown little to no remorse. He just isn't a monster that single handedly caused all this. As Americans, we need to reflect on our own thoughts and actions and how they contributed to Tyler Clementi's death.
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gwangung Mon, May 21, 2012 9:55:31am |
re: #365 Obdicut
I think it's a fair sentence. As Sergey says, a lot of the shit stirred up about him was bogus. He does seem like a really creepy guy, but acting lay gay people are weird animals is pretty common in this nation.
I'm OK with 30 days on the harassment and privacy stuff; I think it might be a bit light on the evidence tampering stuff.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 9:55:48am |
re: #368 Killgore Trout
Interesting that over at Dkos internal critiques of violent protesters can make the rec list. Over here it gets you on the bottom rated list.
Really depends on the attitude. If, say, Obdi made it, I'm pretty sure he would've written it in such a way that it would be on the top of the featured pages, if not a frontpage article.
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RadicalModerate Mon, May 21, 2012 9:58:47am |
re: #367 HappyWarrior
Not sure about Va's SoS but our AG is running for governor in 2013 and he's a huge TP ally. Not sure if he's dabbled in birtherism or not but Cuccinnelli is a kook.
Cuccinnelli, as state Attorney General, oversees and certifies elections in Virginia - unlike many states where there it is either under the pervue of the Sec. of State or a dedicated election commissioner.
And yes, he is a birther.
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
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Kragar Mon, May 21, 2012 9:59:32am |
AFA Reveals God's Warning to Home Depot
Sharp reported that he had an opportunity to speak briefly with Home Depot Chairman Frank Blake and demand that he agree to meet face-to-face with representatives of the right-wing group for an hour so that the AFA can make its case, but that he received no such commitment.
Sharp went on to reveal that he was not alone in attacking Home Depot for its support for equality at the board meeting, as a Bishop Robert Smith of Little Rock, Arkansas was also present and delivered a message claiming that Home Depot had become "Home Despot" and warning that if it continued on this path, God would no longer bless the company or its shareholders.
Both Bryan Fischer and Sharp agreed that this was a prophetic word for Home Depot that "came directly from God":
"Excuse me, God, any word for your millions of followers about these troubled times, maybe something about the mysteries of the universe or some bit of wisdom?"
"No, but I do want to take a few minutes to talk about Home Depot."
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 9:59:52am |
re: #371 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Really depends on the attitude. If, say, Obdi made it, I'm pretty sure he would've written it in such a way that it would be on the top of the featured pages, if not a frontpage article.
If I had written it, it would have included boob puns.
(The advert I'm getting at the top of this page is for "Freshpair" bras. Fur reel.)
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 10:00:17am |
re: #371 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Really depends on the attitude. If, say, Obdi made it, I'm pretty sure he would've written it in such a way that it would be on the top of the featured pages, if not a frontpage article.
And if I had made it, I would have won a Pulitzer!
/ All aboard the USS Delusions of Grandeur
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 10:01:38am |
re: #375 Simply Sarah
And if I had made it, I would have won a Pulitzer!
/ All aboard the USS Delusions of Grandeur
If Jonah Goldberg was nominated for Pulitzer, why can't you? Oh wait, he wasn't.../
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dragonath Mon, May 21, 2012 10:02:18am |
re: #373 Kragar
I'm pretty sure there's a "prophetic word" for Bryan Fischer, and it came directly "from my mouth"
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 10:03:19am |
re: #376 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
If Jonah Goldberg was nominated for Pulitzer, why can't you? Oh wait, he wasn't.../
Well, technically all it takes to be considered is to pay the $50 entry fee.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:04:17am |
re: #378 Simply Sarah
Well, technically all it takes to be considered is to pay the $50 entry fee.
That's a better deal than "Toddlers and Tiaras".
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Kragar Mon, May 21, 2012 10:05:39am |
Grover Norquist: Trying To Stop Billionaires From Dodging Taxes Makes You A Nazi
After Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin avoided some $67 million in taxes by renouncing his American citizenship shortly before the company made its initial public offering, Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Bob Casey (D-PA) introduced the “Ex-Patriot” Act. The bill would make former citizens subject to the capital gains tax on U.S. investments and bar those who renounce citizenship for tax purposes from reentering the country.
To American for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist, Schumer and Casey’s effort is akin to Nazism or South African apartheid, as The Hill reports:
“I think Schumer can probably find the legislation to do this. It existed in Germany in the 1930s and Rhodesia in the ’70s and in South Africa as well,” said Norquist. “He probably just plagiarized it and translated it from the original German.”
The Nazis infamously implemented a departure tax on Jews who tried to flee Germany before World War II. Schumer is Jewish.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, May 21, 2012 10:05:41am |
re: #378 Simply Sarah
Well, technically all it takes to be considered is to pay the $50 entry fee.
Agreed. Why is everyone complaining about Jonah bragging about the nominations he won fair and square (by nominating himself)? Damn librul media.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 10:10:02am |
re: #373 Kragar
AFA Reveals God's Warning to Home Depot
"Excuse me, God, any word for your millions of followers about these troubled times, maybe something about the mysteries of the universe or some bit of wisdom?"
"No, but I do want to take a few minutes to talk about Home Depot."
The AFA needs to get this thing called a life.
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Kragar Mon, May 21, 2012 10:10:05am |
Missouri Legislature Approves Bill Allowing Employers To Deny Access To Birth Control
The bill states that no employer or health plan provider can be compelled to provide coverage _ or be penalized for refusing to cover _ abortion, contraception or sterilization if those items run contrary to their religious or moral convictions. The bill also gives the state attorney general grounds to sue other governmental officials or entities that infringe on the rights granted in the legislation.
“This bill is about religious freedom and moral convictions,” said Rep. Sandy Crawford, R-Buffalo. “This is about sending a message to the federal government that we don’t like things rammed down our throat.”
Bullshit
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 10:11:13am |
We don't like things being shoved down our throats but we have no problem forcing our religious views down yours.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 21, 2012 10:11:20am |
re: #383 Kragar
Missouri Legislature Approves Bill Allowing Employers To Deny Access To Birth Control
Bullshit
In one breath it's SUPPORT FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS and in the next it's CREEPING SHARIA!
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allegro Mon, May 21, 2012 10:13:54am |
re: #383 Kragar
Missouri Legislature Approves Bill Allowing Employers To Deny Access To Birth Control
Bullshit
With no apparent notice of the rights of the people who are being denied those legal rights and their freedom and moral convictions. Assholes.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:14:04am |
re: #382 HappyWarrior
The AFA needs to get this thing called a life.
Lefty dilemma: Do I keep my business at Lowe's because of Home Depot's shitty labor position, or share it out because of their equality stance? (To complicate it, both are very good supporters of our Habitat.)
Hell, I'll just follow the sales.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 10:16:11am |
re: #387 Decatur Deb
Lefty dilemma: Do I keep my business at Lowe's because of Home Depot's shitty labor position, or share it out because of their equality stance? (To complicate it, both are very good supporters of our Habitat.)
Hell, I'll just follow the sales.
I normally don't think of a company's politics when I shop. Not something I can really do on a recent grad's salary. I guess if I were in your shoes, I'd support both.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:16:58am |
re: #389 HappyWarrior
I normally don't think of a company's politics when I shop. Not something I can really do on a recent grad's salary. I guess if I were in your shoes, I'd support both.
Still boycotting grapes.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 10:17:33am |
Don't you just love it though when you're a bigot if you support marriage equality and you're being persecuted if you don't and think homosexuals are pedophiles who hate morality. Bizarro world man. Where up is down, where Barack Obama is the anti-christ, and where Rick Santorum is president.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 21, 2012 10:18:14am |
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:19:30am |
re: #392 Mostly sane, most of the time.
So you don't drink wine?
Always hated grapes.
Cesar never mentioned wine...
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wrenchwench Mon, May 21, 2012 10:20:30am |
re: #384 HappyWarrior
We don't like things being shoved down our throats but we have no problem forcing our religious views down yours.
Or "up yours" for the ladies.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 21, 2012 10:23:01am |
re: #394 wrenchwench
Or "up yours" for the ladies.
Yep. Seriously some people need to mind their own damn business. It's not religious liberty for an employer to be obsessed with their women employees' sex lives. I think the laws like those in Kansas by the way that allow for pharmacists to refuse to hand out the morning after pill because of religious beliefs are stupid. Simple, if you think a certain legal pill is unethical, you shouldn't be in the business of handing them out, that or swallow your pride.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 21, 2012 10:23:03am |
re: #393 Decatur Deb
Always hated grapes.
Cesar never mentioned wine...
Right. 'Cause wine is made out of dandelions.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:24:35am |
re: #396 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Right. 'Cause wine is made out of dandelions.
(Psst--We won that one. UFA got a contract while I was still in college. Still hate grapes.)
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 10:24:50am |
re: #395 HappyWarrior
Yep. Seriously some people need to mind their own damn business. It's not religious liberty for an employer to be obsessed with their women employees' sex lives. I think the laws like those in Kansas by the way that allow for pharmacists to refuse to hand out the morning after pill because of religious beliefs are stupid. Simple, if you think a certain legal pill is unethical, you shouldn't be in the business of handing them out, that or swallow your pride.
If you think gambling is unethical, then you probably should not be working as a croupier in Vegas...
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Kragar Mon, May 21, 2012 10:25:34am |
re: #393 Decatur Deb
Always hated grapes.
Cesar never mentioned wine...
I'll have you know Caesar was a big fan of conquered grapes.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 21, 2012 10:27:16am |
re: #397 Decatur Deb
(Psst--We won that one. UFA got a contract while I was still in college. Still hate grapes.)
Well, yes, but if you are boycotting grapes because of ethical reasons, you have to boycott all grapes.
I have a ten year old who is boycotting cheese on the grounds that "it tastes gross." I, personally, boycott seafood for the same reason.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:27:18am |
re: #399 Kragar
I'll have you know Caesar was a big fan of conquered grapes.
Caesar was very soave for a soldier.
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AK-47% Mon, May 21, 2012 10:28:41am |
re: #401 Decatur Deb
Caesar was very soave for a soldier.
He couldn't drink wine because it gave him Gaul stones...
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:29:43am |
re: #402 Expand Your Ground
He couldn't drink wine because it gave him Gaul stones...
Antony was a bit of a brut, not to mention Brutus.
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Kragar Mon, May 21, 2012 10:29:55am |
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wrenchwench Mon, May 21, 2012 10:30:05am |
re: #400 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Well, yes, but if you are boycotting grapes because of ethical reasons, you have to boycott all grapes.
That boycott was specific to "table grapes" because that was the crop being picked by farm workers who couldn't get a fair contract. Wine was still OK. Different pickers.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:33:49am |
re: #405 wrenchwench
That boycott was specific to "table grapes" because that was the crop being picked by farm workers who couldn't get a fair contract. Wine was still OK. Different pickers.
Chicago Police confrontation...check
Contraception debate...check.
Grape boycott...check
Ten-year war...check
Yup, It's 1968.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 21, 2012 10:33:51am |
Finally, a wine pun thread to go with all those cheese pun threads! I was getting Bordeaux those.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 21, 2012 10:35:21am |
re: #406 Decatur Deb
Chicago Police confrontation...check
Contraception debate...check.
Grape boycott...check
Ten-year war...check
Yup, It's 1968.
And I'm ten again! That was a good year...
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Kragar Mon, May 21, 2012 10:36:16am |
re: #407 wrenchwench
Finally, a wine pun thread to go with all those cheese pun threads! I was getting Bordeaux those.
We're just trying to stay currant.
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iossarian Mon, May 21, 2012 10:36:53am |
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 21, 2012 10:37:16am |
re: #409 wrenchwench
And I'm ten again! That was a good year...
You're 10--I've got a term paper and a wife both overdue.
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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 21, 2012 11:23:05am |
re: #388 Lidane
University Of Notre Dame Sues Obama Administration For Contraception Mandate
Then I'm suing UND for their priests and nuns using my fucking roads that I paid for and they didn't.
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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 21, 2012 11:27:20am |
re: #398 Expand Your Ground
If you think gambling is unethical, then you probably should not be working as a croupier in Vegas...
Kinda along those same line. If gambling is against your religion and you work at a convenience store that sells lottery tickets, can you refuse to sell the tickets? How long would you have that job if you did refuse? Could you sue for religious persecution? Or if the store sold alcohol and your religion is against drinking could you refuse to sell alcohol during your shift?
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