American Family Association Spokesman Fischer: Government Should Force Everyone to Go to Church

“Tax the atheists who don’t go to church”
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Insane religious fanatic Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association has a great new idea; spinning off from the health care individual mandate, he proposes that the government should force everyone to go to church or pay a penalty.

He means Christian churches, of course, and far right ones. You may be tempted to think he’s being sarcastic here, but Fischer is so freaking crazy that he probably sincerely believes this would be a good idea.

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131 comments
1 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:48:26am

Freedom. Less government. Lower taxes. Liberty. #16000 IRS agents to arrest you if you don't pay the tax. //

2 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:48:27am

ROTFLMAO

3 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:49:48am

This from the same douche who says the 1st Amendment only applies to Christians.

What a dick.

4 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:50:59am

What first amendment?

5 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:51:33am

I'll agree but say it has to be a different one every Sunday (or Friday for Mosque/Synagog services) so ok a different one every week. Perhaps a coffe cup full of chits that you pull one from every week?

/// Need I?

6 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:51:41am

So much for that whole pesky Constitution. Who needs it anyway?

7 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:51:44am

I do think this is a bit of sarcastic mode from him, as the discussion involved his opposition to the HC mandate. But I wonder if he would also include mosque attendance...

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:52:07am

I repeat my previous comment:

If people are going to be forced to go to churches they don't believe in, Fischer should be forced to go to a church he doesn't believe in, in the interest of fairness.

9 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:52:47am

I worship at the Church of the Government-Mandated Broccoli

10 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:52:50am
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Fischer proposes violating at least two provisions of the 1st (establishing religion or prohibiting free exercise thereof) and possibly a third - the right of people peaceably to assemble.

What part of separation of church and state does Fischer not understand? Nothing he's chattering on about even comes close to what the Constitution says, what the Federalist or Anti-Federalists had to say, or what the Founders had to say. It's all the rantings of a fevered mind.

11 dragonath  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:53:33am

I can't believe these guys had the pull to take TV shows off the air back in the 80s. Makes you wonder if people are getting more sane or just crazy all over.

12 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:53:36am

re: #8 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I repeat my previous comment:

If people are going to be forced to go to churches they don't believe in, Fischer should be forced to go to a church he doesn't believe in, in the interest of fairness.

Satanic ritual.

Humanist conference.

Atheist baby cook-off.

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:54:20am

At colonial Williamsburg a year ago, we were in the church. Back in colonial times, attendance and tithing were mandatory in Virginia. It was once a month or something.

They showed us the pew that Washington used to sit in and noted that he slipped out quietly and quickly after the sermons. They postulated that maybe he didn't want to stay and be social.

Or, maybe, he was hungry? Who knows, since we don't know whether he was there voluntarily or not.

They had Jefferson's pew marked. I tried not to raise my eyebrows.

14 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:54:37am

re: #1 Bulworth

Freedom. Less government. Lower taxes. Liberty. #16000 IRS agents to arrest you if you don't pay the tax. //

Lower taxes on full citizens. Noncomfomists and helots will experience taxation, property confiscation, and punative labor until they fall into line.

The line occasionally moves.

15 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:54:55am

He has said enough crazy shit to fill a megachurch parking lot.

But I would pretty much give him a pass on this, he was speaking rhetorically against the HC mandate: "if they can force you to buy insurance, then they should be able to etc..."

16 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:55:01am

re: #9 Expand Your Ground

I worship at the Church of the Government-Mandated Broccoli

Not acceptable. It needs to be Church of the Government-Mandated Cauliflower.

17 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:55:48am

I invite Fischer to the Church of Crom (Khorne revised)

18 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:56:15am

re: #16 b_sharp

Not acceptable. It needs to be Church of the Government-Mandated Cauliflower.

Does not cover root vegetable-based faiths?

19 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:56:59am

re: #15 Expand Your Ground

He has said enough crazy shit to fill a megachurch parking lot.

But I would pretty much give him a pass on this, he was speaking rhetorically against the HC mandate: "if they can force you to buy insurance, then they should be able to etc..."

Yah, we know.

He's so batshit crazy, anything said about him has to continue from where it left off.

20 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:57:08am

re: #10 lawhawk

What part of separation of church and state does Fischer not understand?

The fact that it exists at all. For Fischer and the other theocratic wingnuts like him, separation of church and state is a liberal myth.

21 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:57:54am

Aren't we so glad that politicians seek out this guy's endorsement?

/

22 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:58:33am

re: #18 Expand Your Ground

Does not cover root vegetable-based faiths?

There are only three: Cabbage, Broccoli and Cauliflower. Only one is white.

23 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:58:40am

Did you know that Benjamin Franklin paid a fine for the birth of his son, William Franklin (who he split from over the Revolutionary War)? The son was illegitimate, and there was a fine for that, as your illegitimate children were considered to be a drag on society.

That would be a profitable fine these days.

24 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:58:48am

American Family Association Spokesman Fischer: Government Should Force

yeah ok i have a suggestion for you, fischer: somebody should teach you to read the words of jesus and learn to act like a real christian

25 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:58:59am

re: #17 Kragar

Naw, he needs to attend the Church of the Holy Cthulhu. Crom can be appeased. Cthulhu cannot. You will pay for your sins - in this life and the next. Twice if you present yourself as being pure and righteous.

26 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:59:12am

re: #22 b_sharp

There are only three: Cabbage, Broccoli and Cauliflower. Only one is white.

If all three of these became mandatory, we'd need to increase the ventilation in most public buildings.

27 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:00:10am

re: #22 b_sharp

There are only three: Cabbage, Broccoli and Cauliflower. Only one is white.

you realize of course that those are all cruciferous vegetables

28 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:00:33am

Church of Scientology asks followers to censor Web comments

The church has sent an email to followers instructing them on how "to counter free speech on the internet," according to former Scientologist and current anti-Scientologist blogger Marty Rathbun, who posted the email message in its entirety on his blog.

He notes that it comes from the church's Office of Special Affairs, otherwise known as the "dirty tricks and propaganda arm of Scientology Inc." The message begins:

I am not a big fan of media, but you may have glanced the news of the split between TC and Holmes and all the speculations around. While this is a personal matter, when people start to bring our religion into the middle and a bunch of uninformed people start to spread false datum, rumors and defame our religion it became a matter that does affect my Dynamics and I believe that affects yours as well.

The message instructs followers to visit media sites, including Microsoft, Google or any other that requires users to agree to a code of conduct that prohibits comments that threaten, defame or degrade any group or individuals.

Followers should hunt for any comments about the Cruise-Holmes divorce, click the "Report" tag, and report the comments as violations of the site's code of conduct, the email instructs.

You can write something like "Violate Your Code of Conduct". 'defames or degrades a group for any reason including on the basis of religion.'

The author of the email notes that if only one person does it, the news site moderators won't act. Thus, the email says, "if you start to have 10 or 20 people reporting it, they are going to take this down."

29 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:00:34am

re: #22 b_sharp

There are only three: Cabbage, Broccoli and Cauliflower. Only one is white.

I'm a proponent of the Bok Choi Heresy.

30 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:01:29am

re: #25 lawhawk

Naw, he needs to attend the Church of the Holy Cthulhu. Crom can be appeased. Cthulhu cannot. You will pay for your sins - in this life and the next. Twice if you present yourself as being pure and righteous.

Cthulhu doesn't care about sin, only that you're delicious.

31 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:01:31am

Charles Johnson

You know I just mentioned this same rightwing watch story on Twitter, before you posted this here. Did you see happen to see my tweet?

32 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:01:51am

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

I'm a proponent of the Bok Choi Heresy.

That is still cabbage.

33 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:02:15am

I'll just pretend I'm asleep, like I did the last time I stayed at Grandma's house. She didn't tax me, though.

34 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:02:38am

re: #28 Kragar

Church of Scientology asks followers to censor Web comments

Sea Gulag.

35 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:02:41am

re: #16 b_sharp

Not acceptable. It needs to be Church of the Government-Mandated Cauliflower Protestant Freedom Fries and the 128 Ounce Big-Gulp. With cheese.

FTFY

36 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:02:46am

re: #30 Kragar

Cthulhu doesn't care about sin, only that you're delicious.

I taste terrible. Cookie dough straight out of the fridge does not translate into a good meaty taste. It tastes rotten.

Really.

37 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:02:47am

I personally attend the church of hedonism.

38 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:02:53am

re: #32 Kragar

That is still cabbage.

Lies! I deny Brassica Universalism!

39 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:03:03am

re: #27 engineer cat

you realize of course that those are all cruciferous vegetables

They're the same damn species, one that I can't bear.

40 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:03:12am

re: #28 Kragar

same tactic that churches everywhere have used and still use in various forms to bat down dissenting views

41 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:03:38am

re: #36 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I taste terrible. Cookie dough straight out of the fridge does not translate into a good meaty taste. It tastes rotten.

Really.

You're like a poptart then.

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:04:03am

re: #41 Kragar

You're like a poptart then.

A rotten pop tart! Rotten, I tell you.

43 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:04:26am

re: #39 b_sharp

They're the same damn species, one that I can't bear.

They're kind of sulpherous brimstoney.

44 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:04:46am

re: #36 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I taste terrible. Cookie dough straight out of the fridge does not translate into a good meaty taste. It tastes rotten.

Really.

Cthulu has 12 tongues and can taste your raw doughy chocolate chippy goodness.

45 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:05:32am

re: #40 Expand Your Ground

same tactic that churches everywhere have used and still use in various forms to bat down dissenting views

My church has never told us to try to get other people censored.

They are making an effort to get our own message out. No harm in presenting your own point of view, just in trying to get other people silenced.

46 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:05:42am

I may just jump off the internets altogether today. The crazy is a little too thick for my liking, and I might just end up smashing valuable equipment.

47 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:06:12am

re: #39 b_sharp

They're the same damn species, one that I can't bear.

You will not fare well in the coming Sproutocalypse.

48 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:06:46am

re: #46 makeitstop

I may just jump off the internets altogether today. The crazy is a little too thick for my liking, and I might just end up smashing valuable equipment.

Chill out in the back yard with a bit of wine and a paddle pool.

49 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:07:25am

re: #46 makeitstop

I may just jump off the internets altogether today. The crazy is a little too thick for my liking, and I might just end up smashing valuable equipment.

Try my brand.

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50 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:07:29am

Roy "10 commandments" Moore: 'False Religions' in America are Persecuting Christians; Undocumented Immigrants Have More Rights than Citizens

Moore: Thomas Jefferson in his Bill for Religious Freedom said that would happen, when men presume to restrict your freedom then they will allow false religions to come into your country and it all began when he said ‘well aware that the opinions and beliefs of man depend not upon their own will but follow involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds that almighty God hath created the mind free.’ You see he recognized that God gives him that freedom of conscience and when men come in and try to restrict it what happens is false religions come in and that’s what’s happening in our country today. Christians are being persecuted while people of a religion foreign to our country are doing what they want.

Technically, Christianity is also a foreign religion because last I checked, it didn't originate here.

51 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:07:29am

re: #45 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Not all churches, of course, but for example, churches in Germany did that to censor films, TV shows and books they found blasphemous or offensive, preaching from the pulpit and even distributing form protest letters for people to sign and send.

52 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:08:53am

re: #49 wrenchwench

Try my brand.

Image: funny-cat-pictures-uh-oh.jpg

That'll work. Turns out I've got just the tool for that job.

(makeitstop wanders off in search of cat...)

53 dragonath  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:09:26am

Wha... so Chuck Norris writes for the AFA too? I thought he was more of a free-lance kind of nut.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

54 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:09:43am

re: #42 Mostly sane, most of the time.

A rotten pop tart! Rotten, I tell you.

Image: flavor.jpg

55 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:10:48am

re: #50 Kragar

Roy "10 commandments" Moore: 'False Religions' in America are Persecuting Christians; Undocumented Immigrants Have More Rights than Citizens

Technically, Christianity is also a foreign religion because last I checked, it didn't originate here.

Roy Moore has the secret decoder ring for the Bible *and* the Constitution. He totally knows what he's talking about.

56 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:11:59am

re: #6 Lidane

So much for that whole pesky Constitution. Who needs it anyway?

F%^$in laws, how do they work?!

57 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:12:10am

re: #50 Kragar

Roy "10 commandments" Moore: 'False Religions' in America are Persecuting Christians; Undocumented Immigrants Have More Rights than Citizens

Technically, Christianity is also a foreign religion because last I checked, it didn't originate here.

Pfft. Everyone knows that Jesus is a rich, straight, white, blue-eyed blond landowning Republican from Real America.

58 Mattand  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:12:17am

re: #10 lawhawk

Fischer proposes violating at least two provisions of the 1st (establishing religion or prohibiting free exercise thereof) and possibly a third - the right of people peaceably to assemble.

What part of separation of church and state does Fischer not understand? Nothing he's chattering on about even comes close to what the Constitution says, what the Federalist or Anti-Federalists had to say, or what the Founders had to say. It's all the rantings of a fevered mind.

This is why I get so frustrated when Fischer goes on the Daily Show and Stewart handles him with kid gloves. You know Colbert wouldn't let this shit pass.

59 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:12:33am

re: #50 Kragar

Roy "10 commandments" Moore: 'False Religions' in America are Persecuting Christians; Undocumented Immigrants Have More Rights than Citizens

Technically, Christianity is also a foreign religion because last I checked, it didn't originate here.

Didn't the GOP make America the honorary birthplace of Jesus?

60 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:12:48am

re: #57 Lidane

Pfft. Everyone knows that Jesus is a rich, straight, white, blue-eyed blond landowning Republican from Real America.

Beat me by two posts lol.

61 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:13:15am

re: #59 dragonfire1981

Didn't the GOP make America the honorary birthplace of Jesus?

Last I heard, they were trying to get everyone named Jesus to self deport.

62 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:13:32am

Republican Jesus approves of Bryan Fischer

63 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:15:15am

5 Ways Republicans Have Sabotaged Job Growth

64 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:15:32am

“Tax the atheists who don’t go to church”

But don't tax the not too subtly partisan Christians who do!

65 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:16:13am

re: #61 Kragar

Last I heard, they were trying to get everyone named Jesus to self deport.

Dostoyevsky called it.

66 dragonath  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:16:27am

Bet you didn't know November 6th is IMPEACHMENT DAY!!

67 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:17:12am

re: #63 Kragar

5 Ways Republicans Have Sabotaged Job Growth

You know that article does a masterful job of highlighting the Republican desire to make Obama fail at all costs. They didn't necessarily do those things because they felt it was against their party doctrine, they did it because they wanted to make Obama look bad at every opportunity.

68 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:19:20am

re: #66 Be Zorch, Daddio

Bet you didn't know November 6th is IMPEACHMENT DAY!!

Now that an irrational, illogical, stupendously mind-numbing and eye-crossing ruling has come down from John Roberts, unconstitutionally propping up the economy-destroying ObamneyCare legislation, it’s time to remember that the American people themselves possess the power of impeachment. It’s called an election.

Now there's a word salad that would make Sarah Palin proud.

69 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:22:54am

re: #3 Kragar

This from the same douche who says the 1st Amendment only applies to Christians.

What a dick.

He is not American in my book, so what he thinks America should do has no meaning. He is nothing but a taliban like organization trying to destroy the American way of life.

70 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:23:28am

Huntsman to skip GOP convention

"I will not be attending this year’s convention, nor any Republican convention in the future," Huntsman said, "until the party focuses on a bigger, bolder, more confident future for the United States — a future based on problem solving, inclusiveness, and a willingness to address the trust deficit, which is every bit as corrosive as our fiscal and economic deficits."

71 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:23:44am

OT

//Rant On

To all the goodly leaders of the world's fucked up countries:

Fer fuck sakes people, spend a little. Money is just an abstraction used to facilitate sharing goods and service, and you've reified it into a bloody commodity. We might as well trade Tinkerbell on the stock exchange.

Money's a hallucinogen, so pretend you're at a party and spread some out.

If the entire world is going into monetary meltdown, then somebody's hording the stuff, so figure it out and spend a little.

//Rant off

72 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:24:48am

re: #71 b_sharp

hallucnations work as long as people believe in them

73 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:25:05am

re: #69 RayFerd

He is not American in my book, so what he thinks America should do has no meaning. He is nothing but a taliban like organization trying to destroy the American way of life.

If the Evangelical movement was a little more aware, they would see they're emulating the very elements of radical Islam and Sharia law they claim to stand against.

74 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:25:39am

re: #70 Kragar

Huntsman to skip GOP convention

I'd laugh if he decides to run again in 2016, but as a Democrat. That would be interesting.

75 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:27:35am

re: #73 Kragar

If the Evangelical movement was a little more aware, they would see they're emulating the very elements of radical Islam and Sharia law they claim to stand against.

They're aware. It's a race to implement the "correct" theocracy.

76 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:28:52am

re: #75 The Ghost of a Flea

They're aware. It's a race to implement the "correct" theocracy.

Exactly. It's why these imbeciles are shocked when their little pet theocracy projects like school vouchers might actually apply to non-Christian schools.

77 Tom  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:28:59am

In my 20s someone gave me a little booklet about the evils of something or other and why the church was this or that, I don't remember the context exactly.

One of the things they harped on was the fact that church was now on Sunday when in fact the day of the sabbath was Saturday. To push forward the end of the world, all you had to do was legislate church attendance on Sunday and trigger the end of the world.

Sometimes, I wonder if the folks like this want to do that.

78 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:29:04am

re: #75 The Ghost of a Flea

They're aware. It's a race to implement the "correct" theocracy.

I kinda dig the Norse gods, they know when to cut people off.

79 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:34:25am

re: #74 Lidane

I'd laugh if he decides to run again in 2016, but as a Democrat. That would be interesting.

Isn't Huntsman the candidate who digs science?

80 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:35:36am

re: #28 Kragar

Church of Scientology asks followers to censor Web comments

Oh scientology, you people are such FRAUDS.

81 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:35:47am

re: #79 b_sharp

Isn't Huntsman the candidate who digs science?

disqualifies him for the GOP

82 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:36:41am

re: #80 RayFerd

Oh scientology, you people are such FRAUDS gullible idiots.

83 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:38:15am

re: #81 Expand Your Ground

disqualifies him for the GOP

"I don't know why you always have to be judging me because I only believe in science!"

84 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:39:03am

GOP

GuanO Psychotic.

85 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:39:18am

re: #83 ArchangelMichael

upding for El Nacho Libre reference

86 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:40:02am

re: #82 b_sharp

Can I interest you in a used E-Meter in excellent condition?

87 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:40:21am

re: #85 Expand Your Ground

upding for El Nacho Libre reference

I had to look that up.

88 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:40:25am

re: #77 Tom

Sometimes, I wonder if the folks like this want to do that.

Yes.

...and not kidding. I have an ex-friend who converted into a Rapture-ready church. His FB became a window into the groups excitement about the eminent end of the world (their version being based on Tim LaHaye and his "Left Behind" theology/popular novels series). Some folks are just waiting because they view it as inevitable. Others interpret Revelations (or, more accurately, have it interpreted for them) and see things that can be "helped along."

Global warming shouldn't be fought because it's the prelude to the seals opening and the 4 Horsemen. Israel needs to be hawkish so it can expand out to it's original borders. Jews need to be encouraged to move back to Israel, and for Israel to kick out its non-Jews, so that the world can end.

89 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:41:40am

re: #25 lawhawk

Naw, he needs to attend the Church of the Holy Cthulhu. Crom can be appeased. Cthulhu cannot. You will pay for your sins - in this life and the next. Twice if you present yourself as being pure and righteous.

Is that the church that baptizes in ketchup and hot sauce?
/

90 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:41:47am

re: #79 b_sharp

Isn't Huntsman the candidate who digs science?

Only to the point that he acknowledges AGW is real, not that we should do anything about it.

91 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:42:19am

re: #86 Gus

Can I interest you in a used E-Meter in excellent condition?

I'd love to but I made a deal with Hubbard for one a number of years ago and I'm still waiting for him to get back to me with his price.

92 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:42:37am

re: #79 b_sharp

Isn't Huntsman the candidate who digs science?

AND he speaks Chinese. He's a regular commie.

Of course, he's also full of some really shitty ideas too, but he's miles better than anyone else in the GOP these days.

93 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:44:04am

re: #88 The Ghost of a Flea

...the seals ... and the 4 Horsemen.

That is just begging for a bit of Photoshop magic.

94 abolitionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:44:38am

re: #75 The Ghost of a Flea

They're aware. It's a race to implement the "correct" theocracy.

No.such.thing.

95 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:45:19am

re: #91 b_sharp

I'd love to but I made a deal with Hubbard for one a number of years ago and I'm still waiting for him to get back to me with his price.

Image: Scientology_Miscavige.jpg

96 Stephen T.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:45:57am

I can see it now Valarie Hodges votes in favor of the new law that taxes those who don't attend church, but then is surprised to find out that Jews and Muslims aren't being taxed, because they have a "church" they attend.

97 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:46:33am

re: #73 Kragar

If the Evangelical movement was a little more aware, they would see they're emulating the very elements of radical Islam and Sharia law they claim to stand against.

Sounds like they have little against the elements. It's that someone *else* is using them to try to gain power and influence that annoys them.

98 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:46:41am

I'd like Mitt to tell us what he thinks when someone he actively pursued to get an endorsement from says this.

Ted Nugent: I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War.

99 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:48:30am

re: #98 Kragar

I'd like Mitt to tell us what he thinks when someone he actively pursued to get an endorsement from says this.

Ted Nugent: I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War.

I'm sure that if Nugent was around during the Civil War he would have shat in his pants for 1 month prior to going to the Confederate Army "draft board" and avoided that draft as well.

//

100 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:48:46am

re: #96 Stephen T.

I can see it now Valarie Hodges votes in favor of the new law that taxes those who don't attend church, but then is surprised to find out that Jews and Muslims aren't being taxed, because they have a "church" they attend.

I'm going to form 'The Church of the Lesser Insane' and hold services in our invisible orbiting giant teacup every Thursday right after the universe is remade.

Edit: Edit

101 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:49:09am

Other churches Fischer might not have anticipated:

The Tentpole Church - for circus attendees, freaks, and geeks (original meaning)

The Church of the Holy Pole - for strippers, horny guys, and the ability to worship at the Holy of Holies.
///

102 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:49:16am

re: #98 Kragar

I'd like Mitt to tell us what he thinks when someone he actively pursued to get an endorsement from says this.

Ted Nugent: I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War.

I'm sure that Mitt will say that those aren't the words he would have chosen.
:p

103 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:49:34am
104 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:50:30am

The Church of Festivus would be popular in the current political environment simply for the weekly airing of grievances!
;)

106 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:52:44am

re: #98 Kragar


Ted Nugent: I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War.

It was about states' rights to regulate owning people. And about Southerners being noble warrior Normans while the Northerners were servile Saxons...

What racism?

107 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:52:48am

re: #103 Gus

[Embedded content]

Isn't this an old conspiracy?
Steak doesn't taste better when cooked the second time.

108 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:53:16am

re: #103 Gus

These assholes aren't going to be happy until everyone is in the streets shooting each other. Matt Drudge: Boil on the ass of humanity. I'm sure he's so proud of himself.

109 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:56:48am

re: #98 Kragar

I'd like Mitt to tell us what he thinks when someone he actively pursued to get an endorsement from says this.

Ted Nugent: I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War.

Because our legislative, judicial and executive branches of government hold the 10th Amendment in contempt, I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War. Our Founding Fathers’ concept of limited government is dead.

um in 1788 when the idea of changing from a lose confederation of essentially independent states to the current constitution creating a powerful centralized federal government with the ability to levy taxes was being discussed, they would have been pretty startled that anybody thought that 'limited government' was a good description of it

ignorant moronic nugent troll is ignorant and moronic

110 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:56:50am

re: #108 A Mom Anon

These assholes aren't going to be happy until everyone is in the streets shooting each other. Matt Drudge: Boil on the ass of humanity. I'm sure he's so proud of himself.

Some can only aspire to being a mole in the taint of humanity. He reached farther, and stuck his head up his ass further.

111 Stephen T.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:56:56am

re: #105 Kragar

Sore Loser Oklahoma Lawmaker Lashes Out At SCOTUS With Unconstitutional Bill To Nullify Obamacare

There is a part of me that hopes that this law passes, heads to the same SCOTUS and loses (more than likely by the same narrow margin) just to see what the wingnuts will do next.

There is an even smaller part of me that wishes that the wingnuts would get off their butts and start the shooting already, just so I can see them put down.

112 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:58:10am

Ted Nugent: I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War

an lissen mister you're only a quantity of melanin away from being somebody's property in that alternate universe

113 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:59:54am

Nullify Obamacare

somebody page andrew jackson

114 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:00:37pm

re: #111 Stephen T.

There is a part of me that hopes that this law passes, heads to the same SCOTUS and loses (more than likely by the same narrow margin) just to see what the wingnuts will do next.

There is an even smaller part of me that wishes that the wingnuts would get off their butts and start the shooting already, just so I can see them put down.

Do you think any of those fat asses living in momma's basement actually have the balls to point one of their many penises guns at another human and pull the trigger?

115 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:00:41pm

re: #113 engineer cat

Nullify Obamacare

somebody page andrew jackson

The Calhoun Signal is already shining.

116 Stephen T.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:02:30pm

re: #114 b_sharp

Far too many of them do point their guns and shoot. The usually end up shooting their spouses, their brothers-in-law, their neighbor or themselves. Yet they still get together and grouse about the government on occasion, so they have some rudimentary organizing skills.

117 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:03:18pm

re: #108 A Mom Anon

Some only want to watch the world burn...

118 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:04:02pm

re: #111 Stephen T.

There is a part of me that hopes that this law passes, heads to the same SCOTUS and loses (more than likely by the same narrow margin) just to see what the wingnuts will do next.

There is an even smaller part of me that wishes that the wingnuts would get off their butts and start the shooting already, just so I can see them put down.

Tempting as that might be from an emotional standpoint I don't want to see it happen due to the collateral damage to property, innocent lives, and the national (and global) economy.

119 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:08:19pm

re: #116 Stephen T.

Far too many of them do point their guns and shoot. The usually end up shooting their spouses, their brothers-in-law, their neighbor or themselves. Yet they still get together and grouse about the government on occasion, so they have some rudimentary organizing skills.

Rudimentary describes them well.

120 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:10:37pm

George Zimmerman released from jail after making bail - NBC News

121 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:14:52pm

re: #120 lawhawk

George Zimmerman released from jail after making bail - NBC News

Guess they still don't have enough to deny him bail. Everyone is entitled to make their case for bail. Hope the judge made him give up the other passport and made the bail much higher than when he was claiming indigent status.

122 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:18:06pm

re: #114 b_sharp

Do you think any of those fat asses living in momma's basement actually have the balls to point one of their many penises guns at another human and pull the trigger?

I'd argue the opposite: they'll hurt someone precisely because they don't have balls. They want to feel powerful, they want to prove their rightness by striking at those who disagree with them.

That they're coward just means they'll go after targets they think can't strike back effectively.

123 Mattand  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:22:56pm

re: #122 The Ghost of a Flea

I'd argue the opposite: they'll hurt someone precisely because they don't have balls. They want to feel powerful, they want to prove their rightness by striking at those who disagree with them.

That they're coward just means they'll go after targets they think can't strike back effectively.

We've already had one Civil War. We don't need another.

What's upsetting is all of these morons threatening violence over the ACA is that everything was done according to the Constitution. But since it didn't come out the way they wanted, they're ready to shoot the black guy in the White House.

Their message is "Give us what we want or we'll kill you." No different than the Al Queda.

124 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:38:13pm

re: #8 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I repeat my previous comment:

If people are going to be forced to go to churches they don't believe in, Fischer should be forced to go to a church he doesn't believe in, in the interest of fairness.

Or perhaps forced to take a civics class? You know, to explain to him how the U.S. is supposed to work.

125 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:48:16pm

re: #28 Kragar

I do believe "This Affects My Dynamics" is going to be my new canned post content. I'll have to try it on for a bit, see how it fits.

126 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:51:22pm

Hmmm. I sense sarcasm here. Mean sarcasm, yes.

127 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:22:14pm

Fischer has no dang imagination. Why not go the whole hog and say if Americans don't go to a church of his choosing (no cults!), the government can put them to death? I'm sure he believes in the death penalty, after all.

128 Dazed  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:19:30pm

Kiss my Hippie ass Fischer...Religion/Money is the root of all evil...

129 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:29:38pm

re: #128 Dazed

Kiss my Hippie ass Fischer...Religion/Money is the root of all evil...

Dazed,

I don't agree with Fischer at all. However, that's an over simplification to say the least, not all evil actions have been motivated by greed or done in the name of a religion. For example, this is far from common place, and we can be very thankful for that, but sometimes sick people commit murder just because killing other people gives them pleasure. Its not like all immorality is connected to money or religion in some way.

130 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 4:54:23am

Religious tax exemptions are legislative grace. They are not etched in stone.

131 Thorzdad  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:06:26am

I think it's just a matter of time until the US experiments (however briefly) with being a de-facto conservative Christian theocracy. Probably just long enough for the Christian-Soldier-In-Chief to lob a few nukes into Iran and the rest of the world to respond very negatively.


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