White House: Miniter's Bombshell Scoop Is an "Utter Fabrication"

White House: Miniter’s Bombshell Scoop Is an “Utter Fabrication”

An outrage that is fake

PoliticsJuly 2012 • Views: 26,427

The White House responds to the latest ludicrous right wing fake outrage: White House: ‘Fabrication’ That Obama Called Off Bin Laden Raid.

In a new book previewed by the Daily Caller, author Richard Miniter alleges that Obama called off the raid three times at the urging of senior advisor Valerie Jarrett, before finally authorizing the mission.

“That is an utter fabrication. It seems pretty clear that Mr. Miniter doesn’t know what he’s talking about,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters Monday.

“Ms. Jarrett, like the vast majority of the president’s senior staff, was not read in on the operation on the mission against Osama bin Laden,” Earnest said.

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Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:27:10pm

Make believe facts are conservative's favorite kind.

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:32:12pm

The Daily Caller's Highly Suspect Bin Laden Raid "Bombshell"

The Daily Caller reported late last night that they obtained an exclusive first look at Richard Miniter's forthcoming book Leading From Behind: The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him, which contains the "bombshell" allegation (sourced to a single anonymous official) that in the first three months of 2011, President Obama thrice canceled the mission to kill Osama bin Laden. Miniter's and the Caller's reporting is contradicted by previous in-depth reports indicating that the plan for the raid wasn't delivered to the president until the end of March, and training for the operation didn't begin until mid-April, meaning that there wasn't yet a "mission" for the president to cancel.

Varek Raith Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:33:17pm

Osama Bin Laden was unavailable for comment.

blueraven Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:34:03pm

Oh but it was Obama's greatest failure!
These idiots will believe anything, ANYTHING that will take away from the fact that Barack Obama, a democrat!! was the one who got Bin Laden.

They want to retroactively change history. I am sure Texas is re-writing as we speak.

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:37:03pm

re: #4 blueraven

Oh but it was Obama's greatest failure!
These idiots will believe anything, ANYTHING that will take away from the fact that Barack Obama, a democrat!! was the one who got Bin Laden.

They want to retroactively change history. I am sure Texas is re-writing as we speak.

"Get the history book publishers on the line stat!"

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:40:29pm

re: #4 blueraven

Oh but it was Obama's greatest failure!
These idiots will believe anything, ANYTHING that will take away from the fact that Barack Obama, a democrat!! was the one who got Bin Laden.

They want to retroactively change history. I am sure Texas is re-writing as we speak.

Ya, and we know how they hate Valerie Jarrett. Why? WTF

goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:49:15pm

re: #6 Stanley Sea

Ya, and we know how they hate Valerie Jarrett. Why? WTF

She's a Lectroid, from Planet 10, by way of the eighth dimension.

Youtube Video

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:01:16pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

She's a Lectroid, from Planet 10, by way of the eighth dimension.

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And with that I'm out. Thanks for the brevity. Dang, I thought tonight I had just registered. Such a flash back,

Night all!

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:02:37pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

She's a Lectroid, from Planet 10, by way of the eighth dimension.

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What exactly is the watermelon doing there?

Girth Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:04:26pm

re: #3 Varek Raith

Osama Bin Laden was unavailable for comment.

This is the only reply that ever needs to be given to any of this kind of BS.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:05:20pm

re: #9 Kragar

What exactly is the watermelon doing there?

Being transmuted into Pure Liberalism: Forming a dense mass of government programs from which no tax dollar or freedom can escape.

///

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:09:12pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Being transmuted into Pure Liberalism: Forming a dense mass of government programs from which no tax dollar or freedom can escape.

///

Ah, the counter to the derpularity; a conservative idea so dense, no rational thought can escape.

mikec6666 Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:10:40pm

We're moving into Bill Clinton murdered Vince Whatshisname land here.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:11:29pm

re: #12 Kragar

Ah, the counter to the derpularity; a conservative idea so dense, no rational thought can escape.

Yeah, but which Chaos Daemons use which void and what chapters of Chaos Space Marines do they control?

/40K geekage in progress.

Girth Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:16:59pm

re: #12 Kragar

Ah, the counter to the derpularity; a conservative idea so dense, no rational thought can escape.

Sources indicate that Roger Ailes will actually try to observe this particle by slamming Sarah Palin into Sean Hannity at near the speed of light in the Fox News Collider.

goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:19:10pm

re: #9 Kragar

What exactly is the watermelon doing there?

It's an anti-MaCGuffin. Something that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with advancing the plot, but nevertheless catches the viewer's attention and stands out as memorable.

Only the most advanced forms of fiction employ it.

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:19:38pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but which Chaos Daemons use which void and what chapters of Chaos Space Marines do they control?

/40K geekage in progress.

Chaos Marines are designated by Legion or warband, not Chapter. The Chapter system was used by some Legions pre-heresy, notably the Ultramarines and Dark Angels, to describe a regimental level, but did not become a widespread designation until the post Heresy adoption of the Codex Astartes.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:19:47pm

re: #15 Girth

Sources indicate that Roger Ailes will actually try to observe this particle by slamming Sarah Palin into Sean Hannity at near the speed of light in the Fox News Collider.

The resulting particles became known as the FNC Moron.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:21:34pm

re: #17 Kragar

Chaos Marines are designated by Legion or warband, not Chapter. The Chapter system was used by some Legions pre-heresy, notably the Ultramarines and Dark Angels to describe a regimental level, but did not become a widespread designation until the post Heresy adoption of the Codex Astartes.

Thank you. Still, which baddies would use which void? You might give the Daemon who claims to be devoted to pleasure the 'liberal' void, just as a thought.

Girth Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:22:14pm

re: #17 Kragar

Chaos Marines are designated by Legion or warband, not Chapter. The Chapter system was used by some Legions pre-heresy, notably the Ultramarines and Dark Angels to describe a regimental level, but did not become a widespread designation until the post Heresy adoption of the Codex Astartes.

I have no idea what this means, but I'm updinging it anyway for obvious geektasticness.

simoom Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:23:05pm

I took a look at the transcript from today's WH Daily Press Briefing to see who asked the question. I was pretty confident it was going to be either the WND or DailyCaller WH Press Corps member, but looks like it was Fox News' Ed Henry:

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

MR. EARNEST: Okay. Ed.

...

Q Last thing on a different topic -- the bin Laden raid. There’s a book out by an author, Richard Miniter, who in context seems like a critic of the President and is claiming that he has information that the bin Laden raid was called off a few times, in part because Valerie Jarrett suggested to the President that he call it off. Does the White House have any reactions, whether this is factually correct?

MR. EARNEST: That is an utter fabrication. It seems pretty clear that Mr. Miniter doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Ms. Jarrett, like many -- like the vast majority of the President’s senior staff, was not read in the operation, on the mission against Osama bin Laden. So I wouldn’t put any stock into that vignette -- or into the book itself.

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:24:11pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. Still, which baddies would use which void? You might give the Daemon who claims to be devoted to pleasure the 'liberal' void, just as a thought.

Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion, possibly Word Bearers would all use the Derpularity.

World Eaters are strictly Dominionist Evangelicals.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:27:46pm

re: #22 Kragar

Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion, possibly Word Bearers would all use the Derpularity.

World Eaters are strictly Dominionist Evangelicals.

And the other?

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:29:54pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

And the other?

Stricty Adeptus Terra, no chaos involved.

goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:36:04pm

A Democratic official says support for gay marriage is set to be included in the official party platform adopted at this summer’s convention.
The Democrats’ platform drafting committee voted to include language backing same-sex unions at a meeting in Minneapolis over the weekend. Democratic delegates will formally approve the platform during the convention, which will be held in early September in Charlotte, N.C.

Even though attitudes are changing this move isn't nearly devoid of political risk. I'm glad to see them making it now, before the tide completely shifts. Of course the GOP is going to oppose equality until the bitter end, until the party is reduced to nothing but a bunch of bitter old bigots reminiscing about the good old days when they could bash out & proud gays to a pulp then drive to a highway rest stop and celebrate by sucking each other off anonymously.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:40:59pm

re: #24 Kragar

Stricty Adeptus Terra, no chaos involved.

No, try again. The left has Chaos in it.

Mentis Fugit Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:41:13pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

It's an anti-MaCGuffin. Something that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with advancing the plot, but nevertheless catches the viewer's attention and stands out as memorable.

Only the most advanced forms of fiction employ it.

The watermelon is, in fact, there for a reason. That the reason has absolutely nothing to do with the plot only enhances its antimcguffinitude.

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:43:35pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

No, try again. The left has Chaos in it.

You're mistaking Chaos with chaos.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:50:28pm

re: #28 Kragar

You're mistaking Chaos with chaos.

I'd say that Slaanesh is a thing of the left, or at least the worst parts of the left.

freetoken Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:53:13pm

re: #28 Kragar

You're mistaking Chaos with chaos.

... or KAOS...

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Destro Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:55:02pm

Are Republicans now saying Osama Bin Laden got away retroactively?

efuseakay Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:03:54pm

re: #30 freetoken

... or KAOS...

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Da Craw. Not Da Craw!!!

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:15:42pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

I'd say that Slaanesh is a thing of the left, or at least the worst parts of the left.

So Pure Liberalism is used by the Emperor's Children.

Mocking Jay Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:19:24pm

Here's Rachel Maddow interviewing Richard Muller tonight.

MSNBC Video

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:19:49pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

So Pure Liberalism is used by the Emperor's Children.

Incorrect. The Emperor's Children do not engage in government programs.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:26:34pm

re: #35 Kragar

Incorrect. The Emperor's Children do not engage in government programs.

Ah, raiding for slaves was a governrment program for some pirate states.

Also, just concede this one thing: The pursuit of pleasure and sensation has some roots on the left and can lead one down the dark path Slaanesh represents if it is not tempered by discipline.

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:31:23pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Ah, raiding for slaves was a governrment program for some pirate states.

Also, just concede this one thing: The pursuit of pleasure and sensation has some roots on the left and can lead one down the dark path Slaanesh represents if it is not tempered by discipline.

Agreed. Right wingers have no idea about what constitutes fun.

I would argue Chaos is more akin to Libertatianism.

Now the Tau on the other hand...

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:36:38pm

re: #37 Kragar

Agreed. Right wingers have no idea about what constitutes fun.

I would argue Chaos is more akin to Libertatianism.

Now the Tau on the other hand...

Just give something that go after the left, without the MBF at the right, so i can sign off and go to bed.

Kragar Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:39:47pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Just give something that go after the left, without the MBF at the right, so i can sign off and go to bed.

OK, you can have the Tau, with their "for the greater good" nonsense, but that is as far as I'll go.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:42:29pm

re: #39 Kragar

OK, you can have the Tau, with their "for the greater good" nonsense, but that is as far as I'll go.

Good debate, honorable as always.

Good Night, all.

sagehen Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:45:47pm

I'm doing a crossword: what's the name of the Garbo movie where she says "I vant to be alone"?

sagehen Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:48:33pm

(ah. found it.) Grand Hotel.

freetoken Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:13:56pm

re: #42 sagehen

Youtube Video

freetoken Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:37:45pm

re: #42 sagehen

(ah. found it.) Grand Hotel.

Ironically, one of the tunes used in the movie I posted not long ago.

Rachmaninov's Piano concerto no. 2, mvt. 1, recorded in 1929 with the composer himself at the keyboard:

MP3 Audio

freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 12:34:33am

MP3 Audio

Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 12:39:54am

re: #45 freetoken

Youtube Video

AK-47% Tue, Jul 31, 2012 12:43:45am

I vont to be a loaf...

Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 12:45:09am

re: #47 Expand Your Ground

I vont to be a loaf...

There can be only bun...

Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 12:47:08am

Bread puns... I pita anyone who stumbles in here.

Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 31, 2012 12:59:25am

re: #49 Kragar

Bread puns... I pita anyone who stumbles in here.

Your words are like a wedge between us.

Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 1:03:56am

re: #50 Mocking Jay

Your words are like a wedge between us.

You're a rye one.

researchok Tue, Jul 31, 2012 1:07:51am

Morning, all

researchok Tue, Jul 31, 2012 1:17:58am

re: #44 freetoken

Nice...

researchok Tue, Jul 31, 2012 1:22:49am

re: #45 freetoken

Makes me wanna grab the ex and tango...

naw....no the ex.

Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 1:23:40am

re: #54 researchok

Makes me wanna grab the ex and tango...

naw...no the ex.

Just Tango? Not into Cash?

and with that, bed.

researchok Tue, Jul 31, 2012 1:26:25am

Listening to you vid...

I'm a movin' now

Digital Display Tue, Jul 31, 2012 1:52:10am

re: #56 researchok

Listening to you vid...

I'm a movin' now

Good Morning..It's almost 4am and I'm packing for another trip..
Why so early? It will be at least 107 today in Norman, Ok. I'm over it..
It will be like 90 by 10am. By then I plan to sleep then make the great escape. The weather is brutal here.
So good fucking morning my lizard friends

freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:50:03am

Most of Andy Williams' covers of famous tunes leave me a bit cold, but on this one he does a good job:

MP3 Audio

freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:57:36am

Since we're doing easy-listenin' crooners, here's another guy whose covers always struck me as being somewhat empty, but on occasion he did a good job:

MP3 Audio

Targetpractice Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:58:25am

'AC/DC' virus hits Iranian nuclear plants

TEHRAN, July 26 (UPI) -- A Web site monitoring spyware said statements from Iran suggest nuclear plants were hit by a virus causing computers to play music from rock band AC/DC.

F-Secure Security Labs reported that it reviewed messages from Iranian nuclear energy scientists that stated the computer systems at the Natanz and Fordo nuclear facilities were compromised by a computer worm.

The scientists, which the lab confirmed were Iranian, said the Metasploit hacker tool was used to attack and shut down its automated network and Siemens hardware.

"There was also some music playing randomly on several of the workstations during the middle of the night with the volume maxed out," the message, as translated by the lab, read. "I believe it was playing 'Thunderstruck' by AC/DC."

freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 3:03:25am

And to finish off an elevator trio from the 60's, here's band leader Frank Chacksfield for all you seeking something a bit more genteel than AC/DC:

MP3 Audio

freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 3:08:39am

And last on my playlist tonight... I went old school:

SoundCloud

researchok Tue, Jul 31, 2012 3:16:08am

re: #58 freetoken

Off to Branson?

researchok Tue, Jul 31, 2012 3:29:07am

re: #62 freetoken

When a capella is done right...nothing like it.

freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 3:29:33am

Sometimes threads can be sort of like this:

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 3:46:03am

re: #65 freetoken

Sometimes threads can be sort of like this:

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

Capricious.

Randall Gross Tue, Jul 31, 2012 3:56:50am

"not read in" says it pretty clearly.

Stephen T. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 4:23:11am

re: #9 Kragar

What exactly is the watermelon doing there?

Found here.
"The following explanation was written by the director of the 1984 docudrama, W.D. Richter, for the April 1986 edition of the World Watch 1 Newsletter: "I can only imagine Buckaroo trying to grapple with this question. When cornered (as I feel now), he often quotes H.L. Mencken's nasty remark about how every complex question always has a simple answer...that is usually wrong. But it is high time poor New Jersey's honest inquiry be answered. Let me rephrase the question first one way, then another. "Why is a watermelon trapped between those monstrous pressure plates deep within the Institute's Critical Stress Laboratory?" Team Banzai botanical agronomists have been for years hard at work on the problem of hunger in Third World countries under constant revolutionary turmoil. A nonpolitical, humanitarian effort, their goal has been to find ways to feed starving peoples in remote areas where traditional food delivery systems prove woefully inadequate. Often, the only way to get the nourishment into the bellies of the needy is to hit and run, avoiding all petty ideological side-taking. What you see in the Critical Stress Lab is a revolutionary watermelon capable of withstanding impact pressures of 300,000 pounds per square inch! Sweet, juicy and vitamin-packed, this remarkable fruit can be dropped from the bomb bays of low-flying aircraft into the backyards of disenfranchised villagers in the remotest backwaters of this angry planet. Just another Team Banzai effort to cut through all the unnecessary crap around us and help people help themselves. Look for high-impact, low cholesterol eggs next... and sooner than you think, shatter-proof whole-wheat taco shells."

Targetpractice Tue, Jul 31, 2012 4:52:21am

And once again, the GOP demonstrates just why you can't trust any deal made with them:

Republicans Want Off The Hook For Voting For Defense Sequester

Republicans have been been clear that they do not regard deep, looming cuts to defense and domestic programs — the enforcement mechanism at the heart of last year’s debt limit agreement — as a reason to compromise with Democrats and put real tax revenues into the mix of cuts and reforms required to reduce deficits over time.

But in recent weeks they’ve taken things a step further. They’ve disavowed the so-called “sequester” altogether and handed full responsibility for its existence to President Obama — despite the fact that an overwhelming majority of them voted to implement it last August.

“It was the president who came up with the sequester because he didn’t want the debt limit to get in the way of his campaign,” said House Speaker John Boehner at his weekly press availability last week. “Now these cuts are looming and he’s nowhere to be found.”

In a private meeting with his conference, Boehner said the sequester exists, “for one reason: because the President of the United States didn’t want to deal with the debt limit again before the presidential election. Because the president didn’t want to be inconvenienced, he came up with the sequester.”

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:00:35am

morning all!

2.5 hours sleep on my first night with steroids. Luckily it's a the decreasing dosage pack, so it will get better and I'll be able to breathe!

Damn, I'm tired.

you?

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:02:12am

re: #65 freetoken

Sometimes threads can be sort of like this:

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

too freakin' cute!

Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:17:30am

We're Number One!!!
(In teen traffic fatalites among metro areas.)

"We have traditionally had higher death rates on our highways," said Jim McVay, director of the Bureau of Health Promotion and Chronic Disease at the Alabama Department of Public Health.

Tradition!!!

[Link: blog.al.com...]

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:32:57am

going to try to sleep again.

Romantic Heretic Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:34:40am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

I'd say that Slaanesh is a thing of the left, or at least the worst parts of the left.

Just as Khorne is a thing of the right. New Fox News ad: Join Khorne. Become a foaming Berserker! Wipe out the Left! Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne.

Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:52:28am

New tactic from the Romney camp...

Romney spokesman tells reporters to "shove it." njour.nl/QsQ7J8
— National Journal (@nationaljournal) July 31, 2012

Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:53:48am

I wonder what culture that's from?

Anglo-saxon culture?

darthstar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:55:44am

Ah, he didn't forget Poland..."Kiss my ass, this is a holy site." - yeah, way to end the trip on a positive note. #p2
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 31, 2012

Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:56:13am

re: #75 Gus

New tactic from the Romney camp...

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Not just a spokesman--described as his "traveling press aide". Flamingo he's not.

Image: The-West-Wing-the-west-wing-21752659-500-379.png

darthstar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 5:59:28am

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Not just a spokesman--described as his "traveling press aide". Flamingo he's not.

Image: The-West-Wing-the-west-wing-21752659-500-379.png

Well, he's a good press aide. He wrote today's headlines before 9am EST.

Interesting Times Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:00:09am

re: #75 Gus

New tactic from the Romney camp...

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So when will the Corporate Media™ hacks ditch the MBF, get over their "battered press" syndrome, and report the truth about the TP/GOP/Romney? Oh, I forgot, since CEOs favor Romneybot 4 to 1 over Obama, and 6 CEOs control 90% of the media, you'll just have to look elsewhere for anything remotely resembling relevant facts.

Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:01:39am

re: #80 Interesting Times

Nah--they're all in the bag for Obama. I read it on the intertubes.

Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:03:44am

Dog walk. BBL

AK-47% Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:04:33am

"“Kiss my ass,” Gorka said back. “This is a Holy site for the Polish people"...

I get it, this is a holy site, which means we get to act like assholes, but you don't get to do your job.

darthstar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:07:26am

In the final event of the three legged competition (the third leg being firmly wedged into Romney's mouth to keep him from speaking), the challenge was to lay a wreath on the ground without offending anybody.

Could Mitt do it?

Yes! But still there was the tricky dismount, and navigating the press corps as he left the tomb of the unknown soldier...why was he unknown? and why does some guy who doesn't even have a name have such a nice headstone?...focus Mitt! The press! Yes...just ignore them and it will all be over in a few steps an- "Kiss my ass, this is a holy site!" What?

Targetpractice Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:10:55am

re: #77 darthstar

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*facepalm* So, remind me again, what was the point of this whole three country tour? To show just how much of a n00b the man is on the foreign policy scene?

Bulworth Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:11:55am

re: #31 Destro

Are Republicans now saying Osama Bin Laden got away retroactively?

I think they're saying that Cheney ordered the raid that killed OBL in 2007 and then Obama called the raid off in 2010. Or something.

AK-47% Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:15:46am

re: #86 Bulworth

I think they're saying that Cheney ordered the raid that killed OBL in 2007 and then Obama called the raid off in 2010. Or something.

You mean, the raid had already been ordered when he assumed office and he blew it off and re-ordered it so he could take sole credit?

It would only fit our preconceived notions about Obama, wouldn't it?

Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:21:01am

Operation piss-off Romney continues!

Pro-Obama crowd greets Romney during Poland trip europeonline-magazine.eu/lead-pro-obama... #tfy
— Arrogant Demon (@ArrogantDemon) July 31, 2012

Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:29:53am

Mitt needs more foreign policy cred--road trip to Patagonia!!

Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:30:56am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Mitt needs more foreign policy cred--road trip to Patagonia!!

Patagonia? I bet they make gosh darn fine burritos down there.
-- Mitt Romney

lawhawk Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:32:25am

re: #90 Gus

They make excellent outerwear. Wait, it's a region? ////

GunstarGreen Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:32:29am

Taking a look-see at the latest crop of ads, I'm not sure that I am ready for TAXMAGEDDON.

I'm not even sure that I know what that is.

AK-47% Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:33:30am

re: #92 GunstarGreen

Taking a look-see at the latest crop of ads, I'm not sure that I am ready for TAXMAGEDDON.

I'm not even sure that I know what that is.

I believe it involves raising the maximum tax rate from 36% to 39%...

Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:35:43am

Alan Dershowitz went to bat for Obama. "No regrets" and supporting his Israel policy. Something for everyone as usual with people wondering if it's "a trap" and others having "a sad" like the Breitbots that thought they had an ally with him. Twitter feed here.

lawhawk Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:35:59am

re: #92 GunstarGreen

The President and Congress had agreed to a temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts into 2013. When those cuts expire pursuant to the legislation, the pre-cut rates take effect, and it would have a substantial impact on businesses and individuals. The top tax bracket rate would revert to 39.6% from 35%; capital gains and other tax rates would also rise significantly; depreciation and net operating loss provisions would also result in higher taxes.

Congress has been battling it out on another extension - Democrats are fighting to make the middle class cuts permanent while allowing the top tax bracket to revert to 39.6%, while GOPers are pushing to get all tax rates to stick at the current rates.

All this would be coupled with the tax/spending changes imposed under legislation to curb federal spending. If Congress can't come up with cuts on its own, there would be across the board mandatory spending cuts.

Bulworth Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:39:43am

re: #87 Expand Your Ground

You mean, the raid had already been ordered when he assumed office and he blew it off and re-ordered it so he could take sole credit?

It would only fit our preconceived notions about Obama, wouldn't it?

BOMBSHELL! BushCheney actually killed OBL in 2008 during the economic crisis but forgot to tell anyone, then Obama had his and Hilary's pictures paint-brushed in to the now famous photo of top officials observing the raid that killed OBL. BOMBSHELL!

Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:41:41am

Mitt Romney's big, gay Olympics: mojo.ly/Q7tiZ7
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) July 31, 2012

AK-47% Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:43:13am

re: #97 Gus

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Which means that he will have no choice but to double down on gay-bashing to prove his conservative creds.

Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:44:27am

re: #98 Expand Your Ground

Which means that he will have no choice but to double down on gay-bashing to prove his conservative creds.

Yep. Romney's big on self-flagellating his former self. It's part of his culture.

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GunstarGreen Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:48:13am

re: #93 Expand Your Ground

I believe it involves raising the maximum tax rate from 36% to 39%...

Yeah, that's why I'm confused. Historically we've had top rates somewhere in the 90s and yet we still managed to do fine, so I'm not really getting how a 3- to 4-point increase to 39% is something that can logically be equated to armageddon.

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Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:56:15am

bbl

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Eventual Carrion Tue, Jul 31, 2012 6:59:06am

re: #100 GunstarGreen

Yeah, that's why I'm confused. Historically we've had top rates somewhere in the 90s and yet we still managed to do fine, so I'm not really getting how a 3- to 4-point increase to 39% is something that can logically be equated to armageddon.

Better drama, more "OMG we're all gonna die" rhetoric. Drama sells. Truth, logic and facts are boring. The entertainment viewing public demands it. No holds barred, full contact economics (or a reasonable/unreasonable facsimile of).

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lawhawk Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:06:58am

re: #100 GunstarGreen

The top tax bracket hasn't been near or above 90% since 1964.

[Link: www.taxpolicycenter.org...]
It dropped below 70% in 1981, and had been at 50% as recently as 1986. Still, the current top rate is several times higher than the top tax rate when the individual income tax was first implemented for 1913.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:12:49am

re: #103 lawhawk

The top tax bracket hasn't been near or above 90% since 1964.

[Link: www.taxpolicycenter.org...]
It dropped below 70% in 1981, and had been at 50% as recently as 1986. Still, the current top rate is several times higher than the top tax rate when the individual income tax was first implemented for 1913.

So is the cost of an air-superiority fighter:

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andres Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:13:01am

re: #60 Targetpractice

'AC/DC' virus hits Iranian nuclear plants

Damn Iron Man!

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GunstarGreen Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:20:25am

re: #103 lawhawk

The top tax bracket hasn't been near or above 90% since 1964.

[Link: www.taxpolicycenter.org...]
It dropped below 70% in 1981, and had been at 50% as recently as 1986. Still, the current top rate is several times higher than the top tax rate when the individual income tax was first implemented for 1913.

You'd be very hard pressed to come up with much of anything that doesn't cost several times more than it did a hundred years ago.

My point is that we were up that high in the 60s, and as you say, still nearly double the current rate as recently as the 80s, and I'm pretty sure our economy didn't melt down or explode.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:41:13am

re: #76 Gus

I wonder what culture that's from?

Anglo-saxon culture?

Well, people have traditionally excused being crude in English with 'pardon my Anglo-Saxon', so possibly.

Almost all of our cussing goes straight back to old English.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:43:21am

re: #100 GunstarGreen

Yeah, that's why I'm confused. Historically we've had top rates somewhere in the 90s and yet we still managed to do fine, so I'm not really getting how a 3- to 4-point increase to 39% is something that can logically be equated to armageddon.

History has been rewritten. In the new history, back in the 1950s, millionaires used to be sent an envelope once a year by the IRS into which they could put some spending money for the government if they felt it had been good that year.

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labman57 Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:44:01am

It's incredible how Obama's successes pain right wingers so greatly that they have to go fishing for reasons to minimize his achievements.

Obama got him, Bush didn't. End of story.

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jhncsy Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:22:36am

Forgive me if someone has already explained this, but does it matter if Obama canceled previous attempts? I mean, does it matter in for sane people- I know the GOP will condemn everything Obama does. The way I see it, you don't any mistakes on an operation like this. If you have to abort and try again, you do so.

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Destro Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:51:18am

re: #86 Bulworth

I think they're saying that Cheney ordered the raid that killed OBL in 2007 and then Obama called the raid off in 2010. Or something.

A raid that for 2 years did not find its target? That about sums up the Bush years.

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