Obama Campaign Ad: Romney Misled Voters About Obama’s Clean Energy Record
I actually pointed this out here at LGF the day after the debate, as one of the most outrageous lies told by Mitt Romney.
I actually pointed this out here at LGF the day after the debate, as one of the most outrageous lies told by Mitt Romney.
1 | ElCapitanAmerica Sat, Oct 6, 2012 3:44:24pm |
This highlights what a missed opportunity it was for the president not to call him out on that. Now I know it's hard to debate against made up lies, but is it too much to ask for the president to be a bit more prepared against this attack. His team should have anticipated a Solyndra mention.
2 | Obdicut Sat, Oct 6, 2012 3:48:33pm |
re: #1 ElCapitanAmerica
Maybe, maybe not, but at this point, what is the value in continuing to harp on Obama's debate performance?
3 | Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 6, 2012 3:52:13pm |
I wouldn't underestimate the damage Romney did to himself, though, by punching the truth in the face over and over and over.
Romney may have come off as more aggressive and confident during the debate, but he gave the Obama campaign a lot of good solid ammunition with all those lies.
4 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 6, 2012 3:56:24pm |
Factcheck.org agrees: [Link: factcheck.org...]
5 | funky chicken Sat, Oct 6, 2012 3:57:52pm |
Hopefully they'll find someone smarter than John Kerry to act as the Romney stand-in for debate prep this time.
6 | ElCapitanAmerica Sat, Oct 6, 2012 3:58:35pm |
re: #2 Sheeplord
Maybe, maybe not, but at this point, what is the value in continuing to harp on Obama's debate performance?
Seems entirely on topic to suggest that the campaign needs to find a good way as humanly possible to fact check during the debate, not trying to "harp". These videos are great, just afraid they don't have the audience that the debates will have.
7 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 3:58:38pm |
re: #5 funky chicken
Hopefully they'll find someone smarter than John Kerry to act as the Romney stand-in for debate prep this time.
PBO needs Alec Baldwin to practice against. youtube.com/watch?v=wVQPY4...— rootless (@root_e) October 6, 2012
8 | bluecheese Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:00:56pm |
but is this one of those just internet ads that only news junkies see online........
What are the ads that are going up on TV in the swing states?
9 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:01:15pm |
While Obama's debate performance wasn't his best, I don't think anyone could argue that there is no value in letting Mitt run off at the mouth.
10 | funky chicken Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:02:06pm |
re: #7 Gus
Chuck Schumer's a better choice. Smart, arrogant, and cynical. LOL, and I like Schumer.
11 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:02:33pm |
OT, but the Fucking Florida Gators beat #3 LSU.
Holy shit and yeeehaw.
12 | A Mom Anon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:03:44pm |
I'm glad the focus is beginning to shift now to all of the lies Romney told in that short period of time. This puts him on the defensive and gives the campaign ad folks plenty to work with. The man told what? 28 lies in 37 minutes or something? That pretty much means the only things that weren't lies were words like"the". You gotta work pretty damned hard to lie that much in such a short time. Or,maybe it wasn't work for him,in which case,that's frightening.
13 | Varek Raith Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:04:51pm |
Frank says:
The person who stands up and says, "This is stupid," either is asked to 'behave' or, worse, is greeted with a cheerful "Yes, we know! Isn't it terrific!"
14 | funky chicken Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:08:35pm |
re: #11 Blackity Black Black!
Roll Tide! LOL, don't care a thing for the Gators or Tigers tho.
15 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:10:12pm |
The ads serve as bullet points. They help to disassemble Mitt's word salad into bite sized portions.
In the debate, Mitt clearly stated his position. Now, it will be easier to pin him down. I think it's hard to adjust to a man who can lie at a mile per minute.
For the next debate can't use the old, 'that was taken out of context' line.
Time to come out swinging.
IMHO
16 | engineer cat Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:11:43pm |
Reporter Uncovers More Evidence Of Romney Lying
finds himself fired for submitting dog-bites-man stories
17 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:13:23pm |
Obama has a record and stated policies that can be attacked. Romney has done his best to avoid saying anything specific about intended policies, which leaves almost nothing for Obama to attack. That enables Romney to be the aggressor and limits Obama to playing a defensive game, not the best position to take in a debate.
What Obama needed to do, and what may have been the intention was to turn the attacks from Romney into opportunities to reinforce in the minds of the viewers the benefits of Obama's policies. His presentation just didn't pull it off. I suspect Romney's lies were pissing Obama off and he was trying to control his responses through that frustration.
18 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:13:50pm |
#Romney #Tripe logo. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 6, 2012
19 | Interesting Times Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:17:44pm |
re: #18 Gus
It may have already occurred to you, but it would be great to put all of these together on an easy-to-share LGF Page :)
20 | engineer cat Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:18:36pm |
debate
nate 'the great' silver says nobody has ever come back from this far behind this late in the game, and the debate results remind me of kerry's 'win' against bush and especially ronald reagan acting senile in the first debate in 1984, but none of this is a guarantee of what will happen
it's inconceivable to me that we would be stuck with the ignorant and lying romney for president, especially since it would leave this country at the mercy of a republican house bent on destroying the country, but i find myself without faith in the american people to react sensibly
we can only wait to see what happens in the next 30 days...
21 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:19:16pm |
re: #19 Interesting Times
It may have already occurred to you, but it would be great to put all of these together on an easy-to-share LGF Page :)
Why Romney Is and Was the Real Crony esquire.com/blogs/politics... via @esquiremag— Gus (@Gus_802) October 6, 2012
22 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:19:47pm |
re: #21 Gus
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Oops. Meant this. But that connects with it.
#Romney #Crony logo. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 6, 2012
23 | Interesting Times Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:21:54pm |
re: #20 engineer cat
it's inconceivable to me that we would be stuck with the ignorant and lying romney for president, especially since it would leave this country at the mercy of a republican house bent on destroying the country, but i find myself without faith in the american people to react sensibly
we can only wait to see what happens in the next 30 days...
Positive sign, perhaps?
Other thing I'll say is Saturday interviews we've done for polls across the country look a lot more like our pre-debate than Friday numbers— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) October 6, 2012
24 | Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:24:10pm |
re: #23 Interesting Times
The dreaded dead cat bounce.
25 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:26:02pm |
If Obama can keep his numbers up in Ohio, I think he'll be alright.
26 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:26:25pm |
I like to think that a lot of Americans, come Friday night, found themselves engaging in what TVTropes likes to dub "fridge logic." For those who haven't read, it's basically that stuff in a work of fiction that you accept due to suspension of disbelief, but when you walk to the fridge for a drink, you find yourself wondering "How does that work?" In this case, I like to think some folks found themselves impressed by Romney's "energetic" performance, but when they started breaking down what he actually said, couldn't get it to work in their heads. A Republican promising not to cut taxes? To actually keep taxes for the rich where they are?
28 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:28:32pm |
re: #24 Charles Johnson
The dreaded dead cat bounce.
Don't tell that to the people at RealClearPolitics. They had to take 3 polls favoring Obama (+9, +7, +3) out of their polling average even though they fall within the dates they set, so they can show a closer race.
And that's not even considering the ridiculous Rasmussen poll. A 4% shift overnight, going from +2 Obama to +2 Romney.....in a 3 day tracking poll.
Yeah, that happens.
29 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:29:28pm |
I'm still harping. I'll be back to normal....shortly....
No Tim Tebow. No Urban Meyer. No Problem. The Florida Gators are back.
— ESPN (@espn) October 6, 2012
30 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:30:28pm |
re: #29 Blackity Black Black!
I'm still harping. I'll be back to normal....shortly....
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What happened to Tim Tebow?
31 | bratwurst Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:31:06pm |
re: #30 reflections of a raging redneck
What happened to Tim Tebow?
He finally got too old for college football. :)
32 | Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:31:18pm |
You know how right wingers were yelling that the polls are doctored and skewed? It's because that's what they'd do if they could.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 6, 2012
33 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:32:10pm |
36 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:34:17pm |
re: #32 Charles Johnson
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Does this also explain why Global Warming deniers claim that the scientists are in it for the money?
37 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:34:26pm |
re: #32 Charles Johnson
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Obama leading: "The polls are totally oversampling Democrats! They're totally bogus! I have no time for transparently bad polls!"
Romney leading: "SUCK IT, LIBERALS!"
38 | engineer cat Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:34:35pm |
i have to say the prospect of the current republican house being allowed to run rampant without restraint scare the living crap out of me
mitt has been campaigning as a right wing rubber stamp and that's exactly what i'd expect him to be as president
39 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:38:11pm |
re: #35 reflections of a raging redneck
The Rapture?
Not yet. Dude is cool, when he played & went to UF, there was nary a mention about religion, cept for the eye black he wore. (that was when Reggie Bush was wearing 619 for San Diego)
The press picked up on it and made it a huge deal once he went pro and whatever. I love the athlete.
40 | nines09 Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:38:23pm |
My two cents on the debate distills down to Romney just reinventing Romney as Romney and his camp have stated all along they will do. Most of America is woefully ignorant of the day to day details. All Obama had going for him was either a point by point rebuttal which would have just wasted his time, or a calm and quiet Mr President Of The United States Of America allowing a desperate and increasingly agitated Mitt Romney to spin his wheels ever deeper into the muck he and the GOP have laid out. To have Obama stand there and say "Liar" would have given more credence to the bullshit Mitt was telling the entire nation. No rebuttal and Mitt did what Mitt does best; Double Down. Next day the glow of a shiny new piece of bling to hang on ones ego was bright. 48 hours later the sheen is diminished and the finger turns green. Even the supporters of Mr Romney had to be asking themselves. What the fuck was that? Why that is called Video. With Audio. That was your Platform. Your Platform is based on lies. Now a few more people see it. IMHO. Screw Romney and Fuck Ryan.
41 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:38:51pm |
re: #17 reflections of a raging redneck
Obama has a record and stated policies that can be attacked. Romney has done his best to avoid saying anything specific about intended policies, which leaves almost nothing for Obama to attack. That enables Romney to be the aggressor and limits Obama to playing a defensive game, not the best position to take in a debate.
What Obama needed to do, and what may have been the intention was to turn the attacks from Romney into opportunities to reinforce in the minds of the viewers the benefits of Obama's policies. His presentation just didn't pull it off. I suspect Romney's lies were pissing Obama off and he was trying to control his responses through that frustration.
Obama was clenching his jaw so hard, I thought he was going to break a molar.
42 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:40:24pm |
re: #36 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Does this also explain why Global Warming deniers claim that the scientists are in it for the money?
There was a study released a couple of years ago that found people are more likely to accuse others of doing what they themselves would do in the same situation.
43 | Ghost of Tom Joad Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:41:16pm |
re: #3 Charles Johnson
I wouldn't underestimate the damage Romney did to himself, though, by punching the truth in the face over and over and over.
Romney may have come off as more aggressive and confident during the debate, but he gave the Obama campaign a lot of good solid ammunition with all those lies.
After I thought about it, that could have possibly been Obama's M.O. during the debate. Romney and his campaign have done far more damage to themselves than Obama and his camp ever could have. The best ads so far have been nothing more than quoting Romney/Ryan on the things they have actually said. It's almost the same as a team playing for the counterattack: wait for the other team to overextend themselves, make a mistake, and then counter.
While it's far from the best strategy in terms of appearance, since 2008, it's been very effective in terms of results.
44 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:41:24pm |
re: #41 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Obama was clenching his jaw so hard, I thought he was going to break a molar.
I admire the man his self-control, I'd have started into biting sarcasm and pretty much blown the debate halfway in.
45 | jaunte Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:41:47pm |
You know how right wingers were yelling that the polls are doctored and skewed? It's because that's what they'd do if they could.
Possibly related:
Bookseller at today's event says Bible is most shoplifted book; children's Bibles especially
— Cory Doctorow (@doctorow) October 6, 2012
47 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:44:00pm |
48 | nines09 Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:46:20pm |
re: #45 jaunte
Possibly related:
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"I had to steal the Bible, your Honor. How else would my children know Jesus?"
Head meet desk. Blam...
49 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:46:45pm |
Seriously, the "disappointment" in some, demanding to know why Obama didn't debunk Romney's lies on stage, ignores two things. First, there's no way for Obama to demonstrate these lies in real time. He couldn't have props or charts on stage, and trying to put such concepts in simple terms would have drug out the explanations and just eaten his time.
Second, the words of the Little Corporal are best heeded in such circumstances: "Do not interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." Romney has so badly overextended himself that not only will it cause problems for Ryan in next week's debate, but it's gonna hang over his campaign like a fetid stench til the town hall two weeks from now.
Willard got the "upper hand" on Wednesday, but he's painted himself into a corner he can't get out of. Not without either admitting he lied or just cranking up the lies to the point that they're painfully obvious.
51 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:47:09pm |
re: #44 Targetpractice
I admire the man his self-control, I'd have started into biting sarcasm and pretty much blown the debate halfway in.
I still think something happened to Bo.
52 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:47:52pm |
re: #44 Targetpractice
I admire the man his self-control, I'd have started into biting sarcasm and pretty much blown the debate halfway in.
Frankly, I would have understood if President Obama had done this after having to put up with all of that shit:
53 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:49:44pm |
re: #52 Gert Fröbe
Frankly, I would have understood if President Obama had done this after having to put up with all of that shit:
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Wouldn't have blamed him if he'd done this:
54 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:50:18pm |
re: #32 Charles Johnson
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That's definitely what RCP is doing, deliberately dropping inconvenient polls from their average.
55 | engineer cat Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:52:29pm |
re: #28 JamesWI
They had to take 3 polls favoring Obama (+9, +7, +3) out of their polling average even though they fall within the dates they set, so they can show a closer race.
which ones are those?
56 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:53:13pm |
re: #6 ElCapitanAmerica
Seems entirely on topic to suggest that the campaign needs to find a good way as humanly possible to fact check during the debate, not trying to "harp". These videos are great, just afraid they don't have the audience that the debates will have.
TBS just played an Obama "Truth Squad" ad during the Oakland-Detroit ALDS game - debunking Romney's denial that he'll cut taxes for the rich. "If we can't trust him here [debate podium], why should we trust him here [Oval Office]?"
57 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:54:05pm |
58 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:55:19pm |
59 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:55:36pm |
re: #55 engineer cat
which ones are those?
NPR (9/26-9/30) Obama +7
ABC News/Wash. Post (9/26-9/30) Obama +2 (I accidentally said +3 in the previous post)
Wash.Times/JZ Analytics (9/27-9/30) Obama +9
The date spectrum for their average is 9/26-10/5, and includes one poll from 9/26-9/30 and another from 9/27-9/30
60 | engineer cat Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:56:06pm |
PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls
some right winger who signs themselves "killgore" tweeting back at ppp, but it doesn't sound like our fellow lizard
61 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:56:07pm |
re: #56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
TBS just played an Obama "Truth Squad" ad during the Oakland-Detroit ALDS game: debunking his denial that he'll cut taxes for the rich. "If we can't trust him here [debate podium], why should we trust him here [Oval Office]?"
Same ad just played here. So yeah, the fact-checking is going on. And word of mouth is gonna carry it for the next two weeks.
62 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:56:52pm |
re: #55 engineer cat
which ones are those?
NPR +7, ABC/Wash Post +2 (Not 3), and Wash Times/JZ Analytics +9. All within RCP's current stated date range and none of which have been superseded by new numbers from the same pollster.
63 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:57:01pm |
Israel checking: Was drone headed to Dimona?
After Israeli fighter jets shot down a drone over the Yatir forest in the south Mount Hebron area on Saturday, the army is trying to figure out what its destination was. One of the possibilities the security establishment is looking into is that the unmanned aircraft, which was apparently Iranian-made, was on its way to test the option of infiltrating the nuclear reactor in Dimona, perhaps even to examine the option of targeting the plant in a future conflict.
One odd thing about the video of the Israelis shooting down the drone: the plane shot it with a missile at very close range. Why bother getting that close when the missile probably has a range of a mile or better.
64 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:57:12pm |
re: #51 Blackity Black Black!
I still think something happened to Bo.
He got hit upside the head by a Romney fish.
65 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:57:18pm |
I really think he kept his eyes down to avoid glaring at Mitt.
That's what I would have done.
66 | Ghost of Tom Joad Sat, Oct 6, 2012 4:58:09pm |
re: #63 Killgore Trout
Only thing I can think of is visual confirmation from the pilot before getting authority to shoot it down?
67 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:00:07pm |
re: #59 JamesWI
NPR (9/26-9/30) Obama +7
ABC News/Wash. Post (9/26-9/30) Obama +2 (I accidentally said +3 in the previous post)
Wash.Times/JZ Analytics (9/27-9/30) Obama +9The date spectrum for their average is 9/26-10/5, and includes one poll from 9/26-9/30 and another from 9/27-9/30
As I mentioned in the last thread, if RCP was honoring their own stated formula the averaged would be Obama +3.125 (rounded down to 3.1) right now instead of 1.4.
I really wish that Nate Silver would nail them for this kind of blatant bullshitting.
68 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:00:50pm |
re: #65 Reverend Mother Ramallo
I really think he kept his eyes down to avoid glaring at Mitt.
That's what I would have done.
Obama has no trouble being confrontational. Remember his meetings with Republicans leaders over healthcare reform? He laid them out and debunked the lies, mistruths, etc without hesitation. Obama was having an off night and wasn't well prepared for the debate. I don't think it was part of a secret master plan, he didn't perform well.
69 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:02:31pm |
re: #66 Ghost of Tom Joad
Only thing I can think of is visual confirmation from the pilot before getting authority to shoot it down?
I thought about that too but as you can tell from the camera footage, the pilot wasn't the only one watching it. The cameras has close ups of it and they watched it for something like 20-30 minutes.
70 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:03:04pm |
re: #65 Reverend Mother Ramallo
I really think he kept his eyes down to avoid glaring at Mitt.
That's what I would have done.
Actually, in my case, glaring is not quite right.
I would have probably told him he was full of shit.
I'm not very presidential.
71 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:04:56pm |
Does anyone know the correlation of debate wins to election wins? Has a candidate ever lost all the debates but still won the election?
72 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:09:39pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know the correlation of debate wins to election wins? Has a candidate ever lost all the debates but still won the election?
Not sure about that, but I saw somewhere else that in years where there is an incumbent, the challenger (or one of the challengers, in the case of Perot in 92) has been considered the "winner" in the first debate every time, going back to (I believe) '72. I don't have anything in front of me to verify that this is 100% true, though.
73 | Sophia77 Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:10:15pm |
re: #70 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Actually, in my case, glaring is not quite right.
I would have probably told him he was full of shit.
I'm not very presidential.
I'd have said, With all due respect, you're full of shit.
Trying to be Presidential:)
74 | Sophia77 Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:11:05pm |
Meanwhile the polls are making me nervous. I sure hope Charles is right and the lies catch up with this scurrilous individual.
75 | engineer cat Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:12:35pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know the correlation of debate wins to election wins? Has a candidate ever lost all the debates but still won the election?
has any candidate ever definitively "lost" all debates?
like i was saying, the best comparisons for last weds are the first mondale-reagan in 1984 and kerry-bush. in other words, the correlation of challengers unexpectedly "winning" the first debate to them winning the election is zero
76 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:13:50pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Obama has no trouble being confrontational. Remember his meetings with Republicans leaders over healthcare reform? He laid them out and debunked the lies, mistruths, etc without hesitation. Obama was having an off night and wasn't well prepared for the debate. I don't think it was part of a secret master plan, he didn't perform well.
Nope. I don't think it was a master plan, but Mitt's lies vary from day to day.
I'm not sure how he would have prepared for that, and my guess is, for a guy like Obama, not even being able to be prepared would piss him off.
There wasn't even enough time to sift through that garbage in the allotted time to give a proper rebuttal.
After all is said and done though, Romney gave plenty of lemons for Obama to make delicious lemonade.
77 | engineer cat Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:14:46pm |
re: #75 engineer cat
has any candidate ever definitively "lost" all debates?
like i was saying, the best comparisons for last weds are the first mondale-reagan in 1984 and kerry-bush. in other words, the correlation of challengers unexpectedly "winning" the first debate to them winning the election is zero
no, wait, i take that back. jimmy carter was clearly in a very weakened condition, but the public didn't seem willing to commit to reagan until after the debates. but is obama-romney like carter-reagan?
78 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:18:00pm |
79 | Varek Raith Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:18:29pm |
80 | jaunte Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:22:46pm |
#therumble2012 is having technical difficulties:
[Link: twitter.com...]
Wow even @ebertchicago can't log into #TheRumble2012! Someone's getting a big thumbs-down!
— Johnny Cho (@johnnycho) October 7, 2012
81 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:24:59pm |
Love Jon Stewart, but not going to watch O'Reilly. No matter what. Whole thing kinda stinks. Wonder how many O'Reilly fans are watching? I say zero.
82 | Varek Raith Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:26:42pm |
re: #81 Blackity Black Black!
Love Jon Steward, but not going to watch O'Reilly. No matter what. Whole thing kinda stinks. Wonder how many O'Reilly fans are watching? I say zero.
When is that?
83 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:27:14pm |
re: #13 Varek Raith
Frank says:
The person who stands up and says, "This is stupid," either is asked to 'behave' or, worse, is greeted with a cheerful "Yes, we know! Isn't it terrific!"
Frank says:
The last election just laid the foundation for the next 500 years of Dark Ages. -- From 1981
84 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:27:39pm |
re: #76 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Nope. I don't think it was a master plan, but Mitt's lies vary from day to day.
I'm not sure how he would have prepared for that, and my guess is, for a guy like Obama, not even being able to be prepared would piss him off.
There wasn't even enough time to sift through that garbage in the allotted time to give a proper rebuttal.
After all is said and done though, Romney gave plenty of lemons for Obama to make delicious lemonade.
I mean, Obama had to be thinking:
1. What kind of BS is this fool gonna come up with today?
2. I think this mofo just called me boy!
3. I swear to God...If he doesn't stop smiling at me...he's lucky Michelle made me leave the R/C for the drones at the White House...
85 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:29:26pm |
I for one am glad to see that the major media have abandoned or at least moderated their policy of skewed polling. There is an obvious danger of backsliding, however, as shown by the constant nit-picking of irrelevant data by so-called "fact checkers." No doubt the media personnel were raised by wolves or perhaps hippies. Otherwise they would know that you don't need these "facts" when you have God, the free market, and American exceptionalism on your side.
86 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:29:27pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know the correlation of debate wins to election wins? Has a candidate ever lost all the debates but still won the election?
It doesn't matter because they're independent.
87 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:35:34pm |
88 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:38:12pm |
I have no idea why Jon has anything to do with O'Reilly.
It's like his weird relationship with Barton.
89 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:39:24pm |
re: #88 reflections of a raging redneck
I have no idea why Jon has anything to do with O'Reilly.
It's like his weird relationship with Barton.
$$$
90 | Varek Raith Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:42:12pm |
Congressman opens voting rights probe of tea party group
A Maryland congressman has opened an investigation of a group that has tried to remove thousands of voters from registration rolls across the nation in advance of the presidential election.
The inquiry by Rep. Elijah E. Cummings , a Democrat, is being started a week after Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) urged the Justice Department to enforce voting rights laws, citing a Los Angeles Times article detailing attempts by an Ohio offshoot of the group, True the Vote, to strike hundreds of students and others from voting rolls.
“At some point, an effort to challenge voter registrations by the thousands without any legitimate basis may be evidence of illegal voter suppression,” Cummings told True the Vote founder Catherine Engelbrecht in a letter on Thursday. “If these efforts are intentional, politically motivated and widespread across multiple states, they could amount to a criminal conspiracy to deny legitimate voters their constitutional rights.”
91 | Varek Raith Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:44:16pm |
92 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:46:14pm |
re: #91 Varek Raith
Every time I see your nic that song gets stuck in my head.
XD
You mean this one?
93 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:47:13pm |
94 | Varek Raith Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:49:56pm |
95 | Patricia Kayden Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:51:41pm |
Maybe President Obama was simply overwhelmed by the number of Romney's lies.
Hopefully, he'll be much better prepared for the next 2 debates as far as calling Romney a liar to his face.
96 | allegro Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:55:33pm |
re: #95 Patricia Kayden
Maybe President Obama was simply overwhelmed by the number of Romney's lies.
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Hopefully, he'll be much better prepared for the next 2 debates as far as calling Romney a liar to his face.
By the time of the next debate when there has been a couple of weeks of news about Romney's 28 lies in 37 minutes in the first debate, he'll be in a much better position to do that.
97 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 5:58:40pm |
lulz
@jonathanchait @daveweigelthe correct one, me, is with l in blogger the fake is with a cap "i" .. We are taking legal action
— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) October 7, 2012
Wingnuts....they love the Constitution, except when they don't. Parody and satire are protected speech, Queen of the Hacks.
99 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:04:16pm |
re: #98 reflections of a raging redneck
Do they have a union?
I believe it's more of a confederation.
100 | Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:06:58pm |
re: #66 Ghost of Tom Joad
re: #63 Killgore Trout
But why use a missile and totally destroy it. Why not cannon fire and bring it down pretty much intact for intel purposes? Only reason I can think of is they know where it came from, what its mission was and to demonstrate total complete contempt for those who sent it. But that is just me.
101 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:07:31pm |
re: #99 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
I believe it's more of a confederation.
Good, that means they don't have to be paid unearthly union rates.
102 | Varek Raith Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:08:08pm |
103 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:09:22pm |
re: #97 JamesWI
Response from the parody account:
The other Jen Rubin account makes me look like a pitiful shill who has completely lost all contact with reality. I am taking legal action.
— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBIogger) October 7, 2012
105 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:09:54pm |
re: #74 Sophia77
Meanwhile the polls are making me nervous. I sure hope Charles is right and the lies catch up with this scurrilous individual.
What polls?
106 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:10:57pm |
I just saw a new ad from Mitt's super-PAC (Restore our Future), that says "unemployment is above 8%." So, is Mitt going to go all jobs-truther on us? Please, let it be so.......
107 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:11:52pm |
This guy cracks me up.
In my prepared remarks on this conference panel, I use the locution "if you will" as code for "you Ivory Tower fucktard." #herrprofessor— Shit Germans Say (@ShitGermansSay) October 5, 2012
But some of his best ones he deletes right after posting. Like this:
@ShitGermansSay
Please refrain from oktobering the shit outta our fest. #danke
108 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:16:38pm |
Image: ydU4ouL6g02VCHf_wi6zkg2.jpg
Later, lizards.
109 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:18:18pm |
Beware of these GOP Consultant Polls-We Ask America, Purple Strategies, Rass and Garvis.
They have R-Money winning black voters in Colorado 58-40.
@jeffersonobama Yes. They have MR winning black voters in CO 58-40....— Jeremy Levine (@Jeremy10036) October 6, 2012
Smells like bullshit to me. Not that it will stop the MSM from pushing them.
110 | Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:20:05pm |
111 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:20:48pm |
re: #109 moderatelyradicalliberal
Beware of these GOP Consultant Polls-We Ask America, Purple Strategies, Rass and Garvis.
They have R-Money winning black voters in Colorado 58-40.
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Smells like bullshit to me. Not that it will stop the MSM from pushing them.
If its a push poll the numbers are nonsense.
112 | Lidane Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:20:55pm |
Been in the same room as the boyfriend watches season 3 of the show 24. He's gotten into the show lately, and it's pretty much all he's had on TV as he works his way through the DVDs.
I have to say, other than having young Spock and the villain from Desperado in it, this has to be a pretty weak season compared to the first two. Very underwhelming.
113 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:21:28pm |
re: #110 Charles Johnson
Inside cover of Donald Fagen's vinyl release of 'Sunken Condos'.
I've always liked Fagen (solo or with Steely Dan).
114 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:22:11pm |
re: #112 Lidane
Been in the same room as the boyfriend watches season 3 of the show 24. He's gotten into the show lately, and it's pretty much all he's had on TV as he works his way through the DVDs.
I have to say, other than having young Spock and the villain from Desperado in it, this has to be a pretty weak season compared to the first two. Very underwhelming.
Introduce him to The Walking Dead.
115 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:23:00pm |
re: #109 moderatelyradicalliberal
Beware of these GOP Consultant Polls-We Ask America, Purple Strategies, Rass and Garvis.
They have R-Money winning black voters in Colorado 58-40.
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Smells like bullshit to me. Not that it will stop the MSM from pushing them.
Yeah, I've been watching the polls for a while now. Gravis is one of the worst. They should have an (R) next to all their polls like they do with PPP and the Dems.
116 | Lidane Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:23:23pm |
re: #114 reflections of a raging redneck
Introduce him to The Walking Dead.
Oh, we both love that show. We even watch that Talking Dead show after each episode during the season.
That's the problem. He's bored with TV until The Walking Dead starts up again, so it's all Kiefer Sutherland all the time right now. Haha.
117 | Sheila Broflovski Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:24:11pm |
re: #112 Lidane
Been in the same room as the boyfriend watches season 3 of the show 24. He's gotten into the show lately, and it's pretty much all he's had on TV as he works his way through the DVDs.
I have to say, other than having young Spock and the villain from Desperado in it, this has to be a pretty weak season compared to the first two. Very underwhelming.
I am so over 24. They jumped so many sharks, I stopped watching after the episode where they [spoiler deleted even though it was 5 years ago]
118 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:25:23pm |
re: #114 reflections of a raging redneck
Introduce him to The Walking Dead.
I am so ready. Next weekend is all the re-runs.
119 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:27:11pm |
The real BB, sanity.
I don't hate rich people. I hate people who measure success by how much money you make not how much love, knowledge andhumanity you have.
— Big Bird (@BlGBlRD) October 6, 2012
120 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:31:40pm |
re: #119 Blackity Black Black!
The real BB, sanity.
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If R-Money fires BB I don't think poor Mr. Snuffleupagus will be able to take it. He's already depressed.
122 | Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:33:33pm |
The opening episode of 'Dexter' was kind of a disappointment. Just sayin'. Seemed like the studio suits came in and told the producers to tone it down. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I got.
Maybe I should read the books and see what they're trying to avoid for the mass audience.
123 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:34:05pm |
Haha, the best new poll I'm seeing is from a Republican firm in Ohio, sponsored by Citizens United. They have Romney up 2.......and Sherrod Brown losing his Senate seat by 4. Essentially every other poll from the last month has Brown up by at least 8%......except a Gravis poll that has him only winning by 0.9%.
There definitely are skewed polls.....it's the right-wingers doing the skewing.
124 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:34:55pm |
Cool fact about Mr. Snuffi
Snuffleupagus was a HUMONGOUS muppet on Sesame Street. Originally, he was supposed to be Big Bird's invisible friend. The audience would see this gigantic, lumbering, wooly mammoth come talk to Big Bird - but every time Big Bird would try to go get others to meet Snuffleupagus (so they would believe he existed), Snuffleupagus had decided to leave. So everyone thought Big Bird was lying about having a big wooly mammoth friend named Snuffleupagus. Eventually, researchers for the show realized that the young children tv-viewers were getting VERY anxious about this character!! We all could see him and knew he was real (it was not at all obvious to kids he was supposed to be the "invisible friend" - since we saw him the same as all the other characters). Children were getting very upset that everyone thought Big Bird was lying when Big Bird was not. Ultimately, the writers had to make Snuffleupagus an actual character on the show who interacted with everyone (not just Big Bird as before). So when I use the word Snuffleupagus, I use it to refer to someone elusive, hard to get to know or hard to believe exists
[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]
125 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:36:09pm |
re: #116 Lidane
Oh, we both love that show. We even watch that Talking Dead show after each episode during the season.
That's the problem. He's bored with TV until The Walking Dead starts up again, so it's all Kiefer Sutherland all the time right now. Haha.
I'm dumb
126 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:36:28pm |
re: #123 JamesWI
Haha, the best new poll I'm seeing is from a Republican firm in Ohio, sponsored by Citizens United. They have Romney up 2.......and Sherrod Brown losing his Senate seat by 4. Essentially every other poll from the last month has Brown up by at least 8%......except a Gravis poll that has him only winning by 0.9%.
There definitely are skewed polls.....it's the right-wingers doing the skewing.
R-Money made a 10 point turnaround. Right.
Republicans always accuse Democrats of doing what they are doing.
127 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:36:59pm |
Another funny thing about Gravis.....they release their poll results through a Blogspot website.
What, were Geocities and Tripod too expensive?
129 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:37:06pm |
re: #119 Blackity Black Black!
The real BB, sanity.
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Not quite the "real" Big Bird; notice the lower-case l's substituting for upper-case I's. However, I can dig the message.
130 | allegro Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:38:50pm |
re: #123 JamesWI
Haha, the best new poll I'm seeing is from a Republican firm in Ohio, sponsored by Citizens United. They have Romney up 2.......and Sherrod Brown losing his Senate seat by 4. Essentially every other poll from the last month has Brown up by at least 8%......except a Gravis poll that has him only winning by 0.9%.
There definitely are skewed polls.....it's the right-wingers doing the skewing.
Well of course. They always announce what they're going to do by accusing the Dems of doing it.
131 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:39:08pm |
re: #122 Charles Johnson
The opening episode of 'Dexter' was kind of a disappointment. Just sayin'. Seemed like the studio suits came in and told the producers to tone it down. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I got.
Maybe I should read the books and see what they're trying to avoid for the mass audience.
The book and the novels deviated from one another quite rapidly, not just in terms of plot, but in characterization of the protagonist. Book Dexter is not at all Series Dexter, and the former really doesn't provoke empathy...or interest, for that matter--glib sociopaths are kind of one-note.
Also, the books aren't very good after the novelty of the premise wears off. The writing is not great and the full-time Dexter POV grates.
132 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:39:17pm |
Evening Honcos.
(shout out to Stanley Sea. WOOT!!)
133 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:41:49pm |
re: #128 Gus
Mitt Romney's Air Raid on Big Bird
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If the Marquis de Mittens has his way BB will have to go back to work in the circus.
134 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:44:34pm |
Gravis poll has Romney winning 34% of the black vote in Nevada.......and 66% of the MUSLIM vote.
And they have Romney winning the 18-29 year old group......
In Colorado, they have Romney getting 58% of the black vote
Good lord, they're not even TRYING to look legit, and poll-trackers actually include them in their averages.
135 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:46:38pm |
re: #134 JamesWI
Gravis poll has Romney winning 34% of the black vote in Nevada.......and 66% of the MUSLIM vote.
And they have Romney winning the 18-29 year old group......
In Colorado, they have Romney getting 58% of the black vote
Good lord, they're not even TRYING to look legit, and poll-trackers actually include them in their averages.
I don't see how you could even create a sample that would give these results.
136 | b_sharp Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:47:24pm |
re: #135 moderatelyradicalliberal
I don't see how you could even create a sample that would give these results.
It's all how the questions are framed.
137 | jhrhv Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:47:32pm |
One of the things that Mitt did during the debate that he didn't get called out on IMHO is that he whined that President Obama spent 2 years working to get health care passed instead of working on creating jobs.
If living up to pre-election promises is something Mitt doesn't respect or value then what he is saying is that anything he is currently promising like say creating 12 million jobs or well anything else he is promising is something he won't have any trouble walking back and or away from if he gets elected.
138 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:48:07pm |
re: #135 moderatelyradicalliberal
I don't see how you could even create a sample that would give these results.
Their entire sample of 18-29 year-olds was probably the College Republican chapter at the local college.
139 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:49:25pm |
re: #137 jhrhv
One of the things that Mitt did during the debate that he didn't get called out on IMHO is that he whined that President Obama spent 2 years working to get health care passed instead of working on creating jobs.
If living up to pre-election promises is something Mitt doesn't respect or value then what he is saying is that anything he is currently promising like say creating 12 million jobs or well anything else he is promising is something he won't have any trouble walking back and or away from if he gets elected.
That 12 million number is interesting. Before R-Money was saying would create 12 million jobs some economist was predicting that 12 million jobs would be created regardless of who's president. That number doesn't come from his own camp. It's what's expected to happen no matter what.
140 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:51:09pm |
re: #136 reflections of a raging redneck
It's all how the questions are framed.
Do you:
A) Love Moose Trax ice cream
B) Can't live without Moose Trax ice cream
C) I would kill right now for some Moose Trax ice cream
/
141 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:51:54pm |
Twitter just sent me an email to try to entice me to "discover more". I'm not sure that I am interested.
142 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:54:37pm |
re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar
Evening Honcos.
(shout out to Stanley Sea. WOOT!!)
DUDE. I'm still freaking out. Texted every single person who know's I'm a Gator.
143 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:54:37pm |
re: #134 JamesWI
Gravis poll has Romney winning 34% of the black vote in Nevada.......and 66% of the MUSLIM vote.
And they have Romney winning the 18-29 year old group......
In Colorado, they have Romney getting 58% of the black vote
Good lord, they're not even TRYING to look legit, and poll-trackers actually include them in their averages.
This is ridiculous.
I don't even think they took a poll.
144 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:55:38pm |
Haha, the Biden-Palin debate is on CSPAN, I turned it over there just in time for "Say it ain't so, Joe!!!"... Good lord, she is awful.
145 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:56:43pm |
re: #144 JamesWI
Haha, the Biden-Palin debate is on CSPAN, I turned it over there just in time for "Say it ain't so, Joe!!!"... Good lord, she is awful.
STARBURSTS!
146 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:57:06pm |
I can't believe this woman was almost one heartbeat away from the Presidency......
147 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:57:11pm |
re: #142 Blackity Black Black!
And, a gorgeous Gator, at that!
*waves*
148 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:58:50pm |
re: #147 Dancing along the light of day
And, a gorgeous Gator, at that!
*waves*
Hey Flo! smooch!
I'm off to the store to get ingredients for soup. Yes, it's cooling down a little. hahah 78!!
150 | Lidane Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:00:26pm |
re: #134 JamesWI
Gravis poll has Romney winning 34% of the black vote in Nevada.......and 66% of the MUSLIM vote.
And they have Romney winning the 18-29 year old group......
In Colorado, they have Romney getting 58% of the black vote
On what planet would Mitt Romney win among black voters? Or voters under 30?
ROFL.
151 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:01:30pm |
re: #148 Blackity Black Black!
Hey Flo! smooch!
I'm off to the store to get ingredients for soup. Yes, it's cooling down a little. hahah 78!!
I hate you. It's gonna be 38 here Monday morning and my warm winter clothes are in route from NC. I am actually sitting in a room with a fireplace that actually has a fire in it for the first time in my life. (people in Florida DEMAND a fireplace when building a house to use once every 2 years. Idiots.)
152 | Mattand Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:03:27pm |
re: #117 Sheila Broflovski
I am so over 24. They jumped so many sharks, I stopped watching after the episode where they [spoiler deleted even though it was 5 years ago]
...nuked a suburb of LA and never mentioned it the rest of the season? Or so I've heard, as I refused to have anything to do with that show. Someone once described it right-wing porn. From the descriptions of the show, it sounds about right.
153 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:05:21pm |
re: #152 Mattand
...nuked a suburb of LA and never mentioned it the rest of the season? Or so I've heard, as I refused to have anything to do with that show. Someone once described it right-wing porn. From the descriptions of the show, it sounds about right.
Some seasons were good, some, not so much. But when a bad guy wants proof another guy is dead and Jack hands him a bag with dudes head in it, I'm good.
154 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:05:38pm |
Man, I thought she was terrible at the time, but I didn't realize HOW terrible she was. Her answers make absolutely no sense.
156 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:06:32pm |
re: #136 reflections of a raging redneck
It's all how the questions are framed.
If the election was held today, would you vote for:
a) Mitt Romney
b) Mitt Romney
c) Mitt Romney
d) All of the above
//
157 | Mattand Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:07:04pm |
re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar
fixed
I thought "another guy is dean" is better. Jack Bauer really, really hates college administrators.
158 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:08:44pm |
re: #157 Mattand
I thought "another guy is dean" is better. Jack Bauer really, really hates college administrators.
"Funny. I'm married to a guy named Dean Wormer"
/
159 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:09:18pm |
re: #152 Mattand
...nuked a suburb of LA and never mentioned it the rest of the season? Or so I've heard, as I refused to have anything to do with that show. Someone once described it right-wing porn. From the descriptions of the show, it sounds about right.
Funny you should say that.
When Rush Limpballs had his (or somebody's) Viagra confiscated in Palm Beach, he was with the producers of 24.
160 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:12:43pm |
Joe stumbles over his words a little too much, but he's still killing it in this debate (even factoring in the level of his competition).
I don't see Ryan winning this debate. Romneybot can actually fake emotion pretty well when he needs to. I haven't seen anything out of Ryan that makes me think he can look like anything other than a fake-nerd doofus.
161 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:12:55pm |
re: #159 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Funny you should say that.
When Rush Limpballs had his (or somebody's) Viagra confiscated in Palm Beach, he was with the producers of 24.
With the audience Rush has it makes sense for producers to hang with him to have Rush pimp the show.
162 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:13:04pm |
Heh. Watching some sort of 2nd-tier western on TV from the mid-70s. 2nd or 3rd billing (after Warren Oates) was Jenny Agutter. I thought "OK, what odds there's a mid-range shot of her nude bathing in a pond or stream?" And 20 or so minutes in what do we get but exactly that. NTTAWWT.
163 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:14:50pm |
re: #162 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Heh. Watching some sort of 2nd-tier western on TV from the mid-70s. 2nd or 3rd billing (after Warren Oates) was Jenny Agutter. I thought "OK, what odds there's a mid-range shot of her nude bathing in a pond or stream?" And 20 or so minutes in what do we get but exactly that. NTTAWWT.
I hate predictable movies.
///
164 | funky chicken Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:15:50pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Obama has no trouble being confrontational. Remember his meetings with Republicans leaders over healthcare reform? He laid them out and debunked the lies, mistruths, etc without hesitation. Obama was having an off night and wasn't well prepared for the debate. I don't think it was part of a secret master plan, he didn't perform well.
I agree with that assessment, and think the poor preparation stemmed from the fact that Obama does have a demanding job and his team's choice of John Kerry as his practice debate partner. Kerry has the obnoxious patrician thing like Romney, but he's a dunce. Romney is a walking insult generator, but his team did a much better job of preparing him for the debate, and he's apparently not as stupid as he is obnoxious and condescending. His serial fuckups on his trips abroad and his foot-in-mouth disease kinda fooled me into believing he's stupid too, so I guess I can't bash the Obama folks too much, but they did poorly in preparing POTUS for the debates. Hopefully they will do better next time.
165 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:21:49pm |
re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hate predictable movies.
///
She (Jenny Agutter) appeared nude in the movie Walkabout. Which I first saw at a church youth group retreat. The adult in charge of choosing the movie had apparently failed to do her due diligence.
166 | Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:23:03pm |
Night Lizards.
Oh, About that drone the Israeli's shot down today.
"The drone reportedly originated in Lebanon, but took a circuitous route through the Mediterranean sea and around Israeli territorial waters before turning east and flying over Gaza and into Israel, according to reports on Israel Radio and in Maariv."
Sleep well Lizards.
/// Because, you know, it could never happen here.
167 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:24:04pm |
re: #165 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
She appeared nude in the movie Walkabout. Which I first saw at a church youth group retreat. The adult in charge of choosing the movie had apparently failed to do her due diligence.
I worked at a video store (remember those?) and a woman wanted to rent the movie "Kids" for her 10 y/o. I told her, "Um, no".
168 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:24:29pm |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hate you. It's gonna be 38 here Monday morning and my warm winter clothes are in route from NC. I am actually sitting in a room with a fireplace that actually has a fire in it for the first time in my life. (people in Florida DEMAND a fireplace when building a house to use once every 2 years. Idiots.)
My parents had a fireplace that they loved. (Palm Beach Gardens) my Step Dad would buy 1/4 cord every year. One time I visited at Christmas, we turned on the A/C to be able to enjoy the fire. Hilarious.
Blankies are the best bet. Learn the Blanket Toga.
169 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:25:24pm |
re: #168 Blackity Black Black!
I lived on Singer Island. Small world.
170 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:28:06pm |
Overcast
32°F
Humidity75%
Wind SpeedE 10 mph
Barometer30.29 in (1027.0 mb)
Dewpoint25°F (-4°C)
Visibility10.00 mi
Wind Chill24°F (-4°C)
171 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:29:39pm |
re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar
I lived on Singer Island. Small world.
I did too! Over the bridge, take a left. Cute Florida 1 BR. My good friend still lives there. Across from Sailfish Marina.
172 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:30:56pm |
#Romney #Error logo. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 7, 2012
173 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:31:24pm |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hate you. It's gonna be 38 here Monday morning and my warm winter clothes are in route from NC. I am actually sitting in a room with a fireplace that actually has a fire in it for the first time in my life. (people in Florida DEMAND a fireplace when building a house to use once every 2 years. Idiots.)
A fire in a fireplace, rather than a phone book?
174 | BongCrodny Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:31:27pm |
re: #134 JamesWI
Gravis poll has Romney winning 34% of the black vote in Nevada.......and 66% of the MUSLIM vote.
And they have Romney winning the 18-29 year old group......
In Colorado, they have Romney getting 58% of the black vote
Good lord, they're not even TRYING to look legit, and poll-trackers actually include them in their averages.
It's also got Obama's approval rating among blacks at 35% positive, 57% negative.
It would take a lot of sugar to get me to swallow that one.
175 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:31:27pm |
re: #171 Blackity Black Black!
I did too! Over the bridge, take a left. Cute Florida 1 BR. My good friend still lives there. Across from Sailfish Marina.
Did you ever go to Ocean's 11? I paid the bartender's rent with my tips!! (I also worked at the former Burt Reynolds theater. Used to drink Fosters at The Brass Ring)
176 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:32:08pm |
#Romney #Amercia logo. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 7, 2012
177 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:32:35pm |
re: #173 prairiefire
A fire in a fireplace, rather than a phone book?
It's tricky. You wouldn't understand.
////I get it now!! Someone has been paying attention!!!
178 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:32:57pm |
#Romney #Brat logo. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 7, 2012
179 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:38:11pm |
re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did you ever go to Ocean's 11? I paid the bartender's rent with my tips!! (I also worked at the former Burt Reynolds theater. Used to drink Fosters at The Brass Ring)
If Stanley and CCA are separated by 6 degrees, I will raise my glass! To the diversity of America!
180 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:40:10pm |
re: #174 BongCrodny
It's also got Obama's approval rating among blacks at 35% positive, 57% negative.
It would take a lot of sugar to get me to swallow that one.
Yeah, I'd say that these Gravis folks are pulling some serious shit outta their asses.
181 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:42:10pm |
re: #179 prairiefire
If Stanley and CCA are separated by 6 degrees, I will raise my glass! To the diversity of America!
I eat at a Mexican restaurant owned by people from India. I also applied years ago to a French restaurant on Siesta Key owned by a Mexican. America. Everyone else can suck it!!!
182 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:44:48pm |
re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar
I eat at a Mexican restaurant owned by people from India. I also applied years ago to a French restaurant on Siesta Key owned by a Mexican. America. Everyone else can suck it!!!
Agreed.
183 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:45:57pm |
re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did you ever go to Ocean's 11? I paid the bartender's rent with my tips!! (I also worked at the former Burt Reynolds theater. Used to drink Fosters at The Brass Ring)
yep, know it all. I worked right down the street from the Brass Ring.
184 | dragonath Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:46:50pm |
185 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:48:04pm |
re: #183 Blackity Black Black!
yep, know it all. I worked right down the street from the Brass Ring.
I would take "Blue Heron" home at night. Left off A1A. Just wow.
186 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:49:33pm |
re: #184 dragonath
"Everything that is in error must be sterilized!"
Ah. Since the government is not perfect it must be destroyed.
187 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:52:01pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Obama has no trouble being confrontational. Remember his meetings with Republicans leaders over healthcare reform? He laid them out and debunked the lies, mistruths, etc without hesitation. Obama was having an off night and wasn't well prepared for the debate. I don't think it was part of a secret master plan, he didn't perform well.
Sitting presidents tend to do poorly in the first debate. No matter how hard they prep, the fact remains that they are used to a deference as head of state that a debate opponent will not extend to them. They also haven't debated anyone publicly for years whereas their opponent will have gone through a number of debates to win the nomination. Usually, the president does better in the 2nd debate. The only real exceptions were Ford and Bush the Elder, and they both lost the election (there was only 1 debate in 1980, so Jimmy Carter never got a chance to rebound in that way).
189 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:56:49pm |
re: #2 Sheeplord
Maybe, maybe not, but at this point, what is the value in continuing to harp on Obama's debate performance?
Why continue to harp? Because if Obama has 1 or 2 more debate performances like that, he may blow the election.
And because it's almost inconceivable that he wasn't better prepared, and that he looked inexperienced compared to 2008 when Obama handled John McCain (no slouch himself) with relative ease.
And, most galling, Obama had a chance to put Romney away; instead, he gave him new life. If the first debate had been even a draw, Romney would now have his back against the wall with a month to go. Basically he would be finished. But now it's a race again, due to what was probably Obama's worst public performance over the last 5 years.
Obama weathered a lot over the last 6 months, and still held a small but measurable lead the whole time. In recent weeks, that lead began to look formidable. Now it's slipping (at least some) and we may have a real race. Obama gave a giant gift to Romney. And if Mittens can pull this thing out, Oct. 3 will be seen as the night the big turnaround began. Makes me sick to say all this, but it is what it is now.
190 | blueraven Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:57:15pm |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Sitting presidents tend to do poorly in the first debate. No matter how hard they prep, the fact remains that they are used to a deference as head of state that a debate opponent will not extend to them. They also haven't debated anyone publicly for years whereas their opponent will have gone through a number of debates to win the nomination. Usually, the president does better in the 2nd debate. The only real exceptions were Ford and Bush the Elder, and they both lost the election (there was only 1 debate in 1980, so Jimmy Carter never got a chance to rebound in that way).
I also thought the questioning in this debate was just awful. There were no specific questions, just general questions about "how are you two different"?
No follow up questions...the moderation was a disaster.
I much prefer several moderators.
Not to make excuses for Obama. He did not do well, but the format sucked.
191 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:57:31pm |
192 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:58:17pm |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Sitting presidents tend to do poorly in the first debate. No matter how hard they prep, the fact remains that they are used to a deference as head of state that a debate opponent will not extend to them. They also haven't debated anyone publicly for years whereas their opponent will have gone through a number of debates to win the nomination. Usually, the president does better in the 2nd debate. The only real exceptions were Ford and Bush the Elder, and they both lost the election (there was only 1 debate in 1980, so Jimmy Carter never got a chance to rebound in that way).
That sounds about right. But I would admit that debating isn't Obama's strong suit. He lost to Hillary in most of their debates and his town hall performance against John McCain was much better then his performance in the first one. I suspect he will do much better in his town hall debate and the foreign policy debate against Mitt Romney.
193 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:59:02pm |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Sitting presidents tend to do poorly in the first debate. No matter how hard they prep, the fact remains that they are used to a deference as head of state that a debate opponent will not extend to them.
I can't think of another opponent comparing a sitting President to his boys, or spewing the sheer quantity of lies Romney did. I can't remember another challenger being immediately contradicted by his own campaign like Romney was regarding his stance on pre-existing conditions.
194 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:59:16pm |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Sitting presidents tend to do poorly in the first debate. No matter how hard they prep, the fact remains that they are used to a deference as head of state that a debate opponent will not extend to them. They also haven't debated anyone publicly for years whereas their opponent will have gone through a number of debates to win the nomination. Usually, the president does better in the 2nd debate. The only real exceptions were Ford and Bush the Elder, and they both lost the election (there was only 1 debate in 1980, so Jimmy Carter never got a chance to rebound in that way).
If Obama expects some special "deference as head of state" from today's Republicans, he's delusional. They've shown virtually nothing but contempt since Day 1.
195 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:00:00pm |
re: #192 moderatelyradicalliberal
That sounds about right. But I would admit that debating isn't Obama's strong suit. He lost to Hillary in most of their debates and his town hall performance against John McCain was much better then his performance in the first one. I suspect he will do much better in his town hall debate and the foreign policy debate against Mitt Romney.
I said Obama wasn't quick on his feet during debates and got two responses telling me I was wrong. I still stand by my comment.
196 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:00:45pm |
197 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:00:58pm |
re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar
I said Obama wasn't quick on his feet during debates and got two responses telling me I was wrong. I still stand by my comment.
He's not good at soundbites. Never has been. Debates are geared towards sound bites.
198 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:02:14pm |
re: #189 palomino
Why continue to harp? Because if Obama has 1 or 2 more debate performances like that, he may blow the election.
And because it's almost inconceivable that he wasn't better prepared, and that he looked inexperienced compared to 2008 when Obama handled John McCain (no slouch himself) with relative ease.
And, most galling, Obama had a chance to put Romney away; instead, he gave him new life. If the first debate had been even a draw, Romney would now have his back against the wall with a month to go. Basically he would be finished. But now it's a race again, due to what was probably Obama's worst public performance over the last 5 years.
Obama weathered a lot over the last 6 months, and still held a small but measurable lead the whole time. In recent weeks, that lead began to look formidable. Now it's slipping (at least some) and we may have a real race. Obama gave a giant gift to Romney. And if Mittens can pull this thing out, Oct. 3 will be seen as the night the big turnaround began. Makes me sick to say all this, but it is what it is now.
I see the 1st debate will be this elections Bradley Effect. Willard needs a lot more than one debate to win and Obama needs a lot more then one debate to lose.
199 | KoolEarl Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:02:22pm |
As far as the poll watching/speculating: I think we need to wait until around Tuesday/Wed to see how everything shakes out after the debate and jobs report
200 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:03:38pm |
re: #199 KoolEarl
As far as the poll watching/speculating: I think we need to wait until around Tuesday/Wed to see how everything shakes out after the debate and jobs report
That sounds reasonable.
201 | blueraven Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:03:41pm |
re: #189 palomino
Why continue to harp? Because if Obama has 1 or 2 more debate performances like that, he may blow the election.
And because it's almost inconceivable that he wasn't better prepared, and that he looked inexperienced compared to 2008 when Obama handled John McCain (no slouch himself) with relative ease.
And, most galling, Obama had a chance to put Romney away; instead, he gave him new life. If the first debate had been even a draw, Romney would now have his back against the wall with a month to go. Basically he would be finished. But now it's a race again, due to what was probably Obama's worst public performance over the last 5 years.
Obama weathered a lot over the last 6 months, and still held a small but measurable lead the whole time. In recent weeks, that lead began to look formidable. Now it's slipping (at least some) and we may have a real race. Obama gave a giant gift to Romney. And if Mittens can pull this thing out, Oct. 3 will be seen as the night the big turnaround began. Makes me sick to say all this, but it is what it is now.
Still the question remains. After you have said all that, and it has been repeated ad nauseum, what is the point of piling on?
You are angry, OK we get it.
Do something. Bitching on a blog wont help.
Will you not vote?
Are you so angry you will just give up?
202 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:03:53pm |
re: #190 blueraven
I also thought the questioning in this debate was just awful. There were no specific questions, just general questions about "how are you two different"?
No follow up questions...the moderation was a disaster.
I much prefer several moderators.
Not to make excuses for Obama. He did not do well, but the format sucked.
Three segments on the economy and the fourth segment on health care reform couched almost entirely in terms of budgetary effects. Nothing at all on immigration, nothing on abortion / reproductive rights, nothing on science education or marriage equality. A debate on domestic policy that deliberately ignored the vast majority of domestic issues.
203 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:04:06pm |
re: #184 dragonath
"Everything that is in error must be sterilized!"
Nomad, is that you? You wait here and I'll get Dr. Roykirk.
204 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:05:32pm |
re: #201 blueraven
Still the question remains. After you have said all that, and it has been repeated ad nauseum, what is the point of piling on?
You are angry, OK we get it.
Do something. Bitching on a blog wont help.
Will you not vote?
Are you so angry you will just give up?
I hope PBO isn't in the same state of mind because he won't win the next debate if he can't shake off the last.
205 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:05:45pm |
re: #193 goddamnedfrank
I can't think of another opponent comparing a sitting President to his boys, or spewing the sheer quantity of lies Romney did. I can't remember another challenger being immediately contradicted by his own campaign like Romney was regarding his stance on pre-existing conditions.
True, but Obama should have expected this. It's basically what Romney did over the course of 22 GOP debates. He can't really be debated on his positions, since he has none that last more than a few weeks. But he can be attacked for a million things Obama forgot to mention on Wed. night.
No mention of Mitt's flip flops, lies, the 47% speech, "let them go to the emergency room" comment, Bain, offshore accounts, etc, etc. Really? Obama's campaign speeches and ads over the last few months have been hard hitting. The guy who should have been repeating those attacks didn't show up.
206 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:06:16pm |
re: #196 Dancing along the light of day
EXCUSE ME?
///
Those were two male giraffes fighting. They knock one another out cold to prove themselves worthy of your affections, Floral.
207 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:06:47pm |
re: #183 Blackity Black Black!
re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar
Some seasons were good, some, not so much. But when a bad guy wants proof another guy is dead and Jack hands him a bag with dudes head in it, I'm good.
I have to say I always resented the way the drug dealers could glad hand the club owners. "Hey, my money's just as good!"
208 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:06:50pm |
The one thing that the debate cemented in my mind is that lying and listening to lies are a Republican's two favorite activities.
209 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:08:55pm |
re: #208 goddamnedfrank
The one thing that the debate cemented in my mind is that lying and listening to lies are a Republican's two favorite activities.
That and that they consider being as asshole as being an "alpha male".
210 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:09:40pm |
re: #209 moderatelyradicalliberal
That and that they consider being as asshole as being an "alpha male".
AMEN!
211 | jaunte Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:12:09pm |
Say what? In Missouri, Akin is fighting for...the *Middle*?? dld.bz/bPvcq
— Roger Ebert (@ebertchicago) October 7, 2012
"On March 16, Akin said he wants to abolish the minimum wage, on April 21, said he would eliminate student loans. And, on August 19, Todd Akin said, only some rapes are legitimate."
Obviously a centrist.
212 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:12:43pm |
re: #210 prairiefire
AMEN!
It's funny Democrats like Obama because he seems like truly decent and kind man. A real gentleman. Republicans seem to yearn for someone who's a dick and willing to be one in public.
213 | dragonath Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:12:44pm |
Strains of infectious bacteria could be classified as "Alpha" too.
It doth not mean what they think it means.
214 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:13:00pm |
re: #211 jaunte
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Obviously a centrist.
Haha if he's a centirst. Then Obama's actually a Marxist.
215 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:13:41pm |
re: #209 moderatelyradicalliberal
That and that they consider being as asshole as being an "alpha male".
The whole alpha / beta fixation is just the frustrated expression of barely repressed homosexual lust.
216 | Mattand Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:13:41pm |
re: #81 Blackity Black Black!
Love Jon Stewart, but not going to watch O'Reilly. No matter what. Whole thing kinda stinks. Wonder how many O'Reilly fans are watching? I say zero.
There were a lot of Jon Stewart fans not watching as well, but not for the reasons you might think. Apparently the company webcasting the event had a major meltdown:
[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
Saw O'Reily on TDS Wednesday or Thursday, don't remember which. My God, if smug were fuel, the man could power every combustion engine on the planet for decades.
You rarely see someone so utterly convinced in the belief he's got the world figured out.
217 | blueraven Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:14:09pm |
re: #204 moderatelyradicalliberal
I hope PBO isn't in the same state of mind because he won't win the next debate if he can't shake off the last.
And he will lose if dems cant get over one bad debate.
I remember the same shit in 2008. Bed wetters.
218 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:14:36pm |
re: #211 jaunte
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Obviously a centrist.
Please, Jaunte, I could take you to some areas in my state and you would ask yourself, "Really?"
220 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:15:37pm |
re: #201 blueraven
Still the question remains. After you have said all that, and it has been repeated ad nauseum, what is the point of piling on?
You are angry, OK we get it.
Do something. Bitching on a blog wont help.
Will you not vote?
Are you so angry you will just give up?
Of course I'm not gonna give up, and of course I'll vote, not having missed an election since 1984, first time I was eligible. One reason to discuss these kinds of things is to make sure they don't happen again. We can all tell ourselves that one debate won't make a big difference. But if Obama lays two more such eggs, do you really like his chances on election day?
As far as "bitching on a blog," that's so broad it could cover just about every post. There are things that make us angry--from AGW denial to theocracy to terrorism to anti-women policies to racism directed at Obama to a million other things--and our anger is one of the things that compels us to care enough to write comments. Complacency and indifference is what could kill us on election day, not anger.
221 | Obdicut Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:16:08pm |
re: #220 palomino
How does us talking about it make sure it won't happen again?
222 | Mattand Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:16:40pm |
re: #217 blueraven
And he will lose if dems cant get over one bad debate.
I remember the same shit in 2008. Bed wetters.
I guess I'm a Dem. I'm not that worked up over it. I'm sure he'll get over it, but my concern trolling is over how much bullshit Romney was apparently allowed to Gish Gallop all over the place.
American voters aren't known for their fact check skills.
223 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:16:57pm |
re: #212 moderatelyradicalliberal
It's funny Democrats like Obama because he seems like truly decent and kind man. A real gentleman. Republicans seem to yearn for someone who's a dick and willing to be one in public.
Mitt Romney couldn't and still can't be polite and deferential. When you're behind you have to turn up the heat on your opponent and force him to react to you. Mitt did just that on Wednesday, and come the next debate he'll get Obama's reaction. Mitt got where he needed to go, now the question is: Can he survive it? My money's on 'yes'.
224 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:18:38pm |
re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar
I would take "Blue Heron" home at night. Left off A1A. Just wow.
F-L-O-R-I-D-A GO GATORS!
Reliving the end of the 3rd Qtr. aaaahhhhhhh!
225 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:18:54pm |
re: #208 goddamnedfrank
The one thing that the debate cemented in my mind is that lying and listening to lies are a Republican's two favorite activities.
It's what happens when you're still so tightly wedded to an ideology that's way past its expiration date.
In the 70s and 80s, it seemed that the two parties were roughly equal in their devotion to ideological purity (maybe the Dems even more so). Now the Dems are pragmatists and the Republicans fanatics.
226 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:19:04pm |
re: #222 Mattand
I guess I'm a Dem. I'm not that worked up over it. I'm sure he'll get over it, but my concern trolling is over how much bullshit Romney was apparently allowed to Gish Gallop all over the place.
American voters aren't known for their fact check skills.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Many will vote according to the last sound bite they heard.
227 | jaunte Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:19:14pm |
So much for Romney’s “bipartisanship” claims
Michael Wines at the New York Times has a thing or two to say about a thing or two regarding Willard M. Romney’s boasts about how well he played with Democratic others while he was governor of Massachusetts.
"...But on closer examination, the record as governor he alluded to looks considerably less burnished than Mr. Romney suggested. Bipartisanship was in short supply; Statehouse Democrats complained he variously ignored, insulted or opposed them, with intermittent charm offensives. He vetoed scores of legislative initiatives and excised budget line items a remarkable 844 times, according to the nonpartisan research group Factcheck.org. Lawmakers reciprocated by quickly overriding the vast bulk of them. "
“I figured out from Day 1 I had to get along, and I had to work across the aisle to get anything done.”
228 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:19:30pm |
re: #223 Dark_Falcon
When you're behind you have to turn up the heat on your opponent and force him to react to you.
By lying, you must be so proud.
229 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:22:22pm |
re: #227 jaunte
“I figured out from Day 1 I had to get along, and I had to work across the aisle to get anything done.”
Is anyone really shocked that Mitt lied about this? Hell I am going to be shocked the day when Mitt is honest more than not.
230 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:22:49pm |
re: #217 blueraven
And he will lose if dems cant get over one bad debate.
I remember the same shit in 2008. Bed wetters.
2008 nearly gave me high BP. The constant wailing and gnashing of teeth. And then no matter what happened the constant fear of the Bradly Effect would not go away. It was constant "OMGZ! ONOZ!"
I have a new name for it Democratic Hysteria Syndrome or DHS. Thank God PBO doesn't seem to have it.
232 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:24:18pm |
re: #228 goddamnedfrank
It is as I said: Go Hard or Go Home. Mitt Romney chose the former course.
233 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:24:31pm |
re: #220 palomino
Of course I'm not gonna give up, and of course I'll vote, not having missed an election since 1984, first time I was eligible. One reason to discuss these kinds of things is to make sure they don't happen again. We can all tell ourselves that one debate won't make a big difference. But if Obama lays two more such eggs, do you really like his chances on election day?
As far as "bitching on a blog," that's so broad it could cover just about every post. There are things that make us angry--from AGW denial to theocracy to terrorism to anti-women policies to racism directed at Obama to a million other things--and our anger is one of the things that compels us to care enough to write comments. Complacency and indifference is what could kill us on election day, not anger.
The maybe the debate was good thing in the long run. You could argue that complacency could have become a problem before the debate.
234 | Mattand Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:25:18pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
It is as I said: Go Hard or Go Home. Mitt Romney chose the former course.
Heh, "Lie Often or Lie Down" might be more appropriate.
235 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:26:25pm |
re: #221 Sheeplord
How does us talking about it make sure it won't happen again?
It doesn't insure that it won't happen again. But it's probably better than pretending it didn't happen in the first place.
We spend a lot of our time talking about things in the past that got fucked up. Should we stop all of that because we're not sure that discussing it will make a difference?
236 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:26:46pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
It is as I said: Go Hard or Go Home. Mitt Romney chose the former course.
You know, there are ways to "Go Hard" without lying about literally everything you've said in the past 5 months.
237 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:28:15pm |
re: #236 JamesWI
You know, there are ways to "Go Hard" without lying about literally everything you've said in the past 5 months.
Not if you're Mitt Romney.
238 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:29:15pm |
re: #223 Dark_Falcon
Mitt Romney couldn't and still can't be polite and deferential. When you're behind you have to turn up the heat on your opponent and force him to react to you. Mitt did just that on Wednesday, and come the next debate he'll get Obama's reaction. Mitt got where he needed to go, now the question is: Can he survive it? My money's on 'yes'.
Until I see a legitimate poll that shows Mitt winning Ohio, he didn't get where he needed to go. Getting a response from Obama isn't his problem, losing every swing state is. Now he's lost his main talking point about unemployment being above 8%.
Let's not lose focus. Mitt only becomes the next president if a majority of Americans think the current one needs to be replaced. Reagan won 49 states with unemployment at 7.4%. I'd say 7.8% is worth quite a few swing states.
239 | blueraven Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:29:47pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
It is as I said: Go Hard or Go Home. Mitt Romney chose the former course.
More like dazzle them with bullshit...as Colbert said; he was generally against republicans abandoning every position they have campaigned on but, fuck it, it worked.
241 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:30:25pm |
re: #236 JamesWI
You know, there are ways to "Go Hard" without lying about literally everything you've said in the past 5 months.
It's worked for the Romney up to this point. No reason to think it will change in the next month...or if the douchebag gets elected.
242 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:31:43pm |
re: #238 moderatelyradicalliberal
Until I see a legitimate poll that shows Mitt winning Ohio, he didn't get where he needed to go. Getting a response from Obama isn't his problem, losing every swing state is. Now he's lost his main talking point about unemployment being above 8%.
Let's not lose focus. Mitt only becomes the next president if a majority of Americans think the current one needs to be replaced. Reagan won 49 states with unemployment at 7.4%. I'd say 7.8% is worth quite a few swing states.
People talk about landslides and never mention this fact.
243 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:33:06pm |
re: #241 palomino
It's worked for the Romney up to this point. No reason to think it will change in the next month...or if the douchebag gets elected.
Unemployment up until yesterday was above 8%. If what Mitt was doing was working he'd be 5-7 points ahead. He's still a shit candidate, with a shit campaign and shit ideas.
244 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:34:19pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
It is as I said: Go Hard or Go Home. Mitt Romney chose the former course.
Human beings have core convictions. Your candidate has none, he's proven this over the last SIX years, during which he's been continually running for president and continually changing his views, his policies, even rewriting his own history. You might as well be voting for a white mannequin named Mr. Not Obama.
245 | alpuz Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:34:45pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
heh.. that sounds so noble. How about this. He chose to lie his ass off to score points with an ill-informed base. Eerily familiar to my own current Governor, and just as smug.
246 | Sheila Broflovski Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:35:01pm |
I started watching the "Hunger Games." I don't what all the hype is about, I think it's pretty sucky so far.
If this movie is supposed to take place centuries in the future:
1. Why are they still freaking MINING COAL?
2. Why is everybody in "District 12" dressed like it's the 1940's? (OK I kind of get they want "The Reaping" to look like the Holocaust but still it's freaking lame)
3. The costumes on the people in "The Capitol" are really stupid looking. They all look like a combination of 18th-century France and a psychedelic Ringling Brothers.
4. Where is Maximus?
247 | allegro Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:35:01pm |
re: #236 JamesWI
You know, there are ways to "Go Hard" without lying about literally everything you've said in the past 5 months.
He had to lie. He's got nothing else.
248 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:35:33pm |
SNL has Obama distracted because he forget Michelle's anniversary gift, and they just threw in the altitude.
"Mr. President, Governor Romney just said he killed Osama bin Laden, would you like to respond?"
"No, you two go ahead"
249 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:37:55pm |
SNL just spanked Obama's ass, as I knew they would.
250 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:38:04pm |
That was pretty lame, other than the Bin Laden line. Not even close to their past election year sketches.
Now I'll go back to ignoring SNL like I have for the last 4 years.
251 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:38:57pm |
Anyone see that "skewed" poll from GRAVIS today?
Hilarious. This GRAVIS "polling" outfit is run by a Doug Kaplan. His other "projects" includes "Livemortgageleads.com" site.dougkaplan.net/Showcase.html— Gus (@Gus_802) October 7, 2012
253 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:40:27pm |
Doug Kaplan was also involved in a "fax blasting" incident in Missouri. news.google.com/newspapers?nid...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 7, 2012
254 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:41:22pm |
re: #242 Cannadian Club Akbar
People talk about landslides and never mention this fact.
We haven't had a real landslide since 1984, and we're obviously unlikely to have one this year. What we have now is a deeply, and for the time being nearly equally, divided nation. Too many solid red and blue states for there to be landslides these days. NY, TX, CA, IL, MO, LA, etc., used to be in play at least some of the time. Now, not at all. So the 45+ state landslides of 1964, 1972 and 1984 are all near impossibilities today.
255 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:41:28pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
It is as I said: Go Hard or Go Home. Mitt Romney chose the former course.
He chose to lie, to show zero personal integrity. I know it's old news that you're okay with this, that you have no personal integrity either.
But it's sad. This is who you're backing for the highest leadership position on Earth, an admitted serial liar. It's just sad, this is someone that less than a year ago you admitted stood for nothing but his own ambition.
It's just so sad. It's no wonder that you're so unhappy, processing all that cognitive dissonance has to take a real toll on a person's soul.
256 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:41:37pm |
re: #246 Sheila Broflovski
I started watching the "Hunger Games." I don't what all the hype is about, I think it's pretty sucky so far.
If this movie is supposed to take place centuries in the future:
1. Why are they still freaking MINING COAL?
2. Why is everybody in "District 12" dressed like it's the 1940's? (OK I kind of get they want "The Reaping" to look like the Holocaust but still it's freaking lame)
3. The costumes on the people in "The Capitol" are really stupid looking. They all look like a combination of 18th-century France and a psychedelic Ringling Brothers.
4. Where is Maximus?
1. Because the author wanted Katniss to come from a poor rural area and Appalachia fit the bill. A mine explosion was also a useful plot device for removing Katniss's father.
2. I got nothing.
3. You're right, but its deliberate. The object is to make the people of the Capital appear leisured at the expense of everyone else and solely concerned with looks and amusements.
4. You could say that it is Katniss who becomes Maximus later in the trilogy.
257 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:42:21pm |
re: #251 Gus
Anyone see that "skewed" poll from GRAVIS today?
[Embedded content]
I saw one thing when I googled their name the first time I saw one of their ridiculous polls. It took me to a left-wing site (I think it was something like "Democratic Underground") where they were talking about how he's donated to plenty of Republican candidates (and Hillary in her primary against Obama).
That guy actually showed up to try to defend himself. Though he posted simply under a user-name like "Gravis Marketing" and initially tried to act like he was just an employee. But then he let it slip when he said something like "Yeah, I donated to Republicans, but I also donated to Hillary, so that obviously means I'm completely unbiased."
258 | Mich-again Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:44:31pm |
I posted the link a while back. It is an unflattering book about Mitt's dad George, written by a Michigan political insider from back in the day. The Romney Riddle by Gerald O, Plas. Pretty brutal stuff. George comes off a real political animal.
I'm not trying to say Mitt is just like his dad, but the longer this campaign goes and the more adversity he runs into, you can see that maybe the acorn didn't fall so far from the tree.
259 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:45:55pm |
re: #258 Mich-again
I posted the link a while back. It is an unflattering book about Mitt's dad George, written by a Michigan political insider from back in the day. The Romney Riddle by Gerald O, Plas. Pretty brutal stuff. George comes off a real political animal.
I'm not trying to say Mitt is just like his dad, but the longer this campaign goes and the more adversity he runs into, you can see that maybe the acorn didn't fall so far from the tree.
Massive daddy issues seems to be an important puzzle piece in the conservative psyche.
260 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:46:22pm |
Defendant: Texas v. The Kaplan Group, Inc. dba Cash Awards Bureau dba
Disbursement Center
Headquarters: Pompano Beach, FL
Product or Business: Direct mail sweepstakes solicitations and fraudulent invoices
Action: Agreed Final Judgment and Permanent Injunction (January 27, 2000)
Court or Agency: Travis County District Court, Texas
[Link: www.ftc.gov...]
261 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:46:32pm |
re: #246 Sheila Broflovski
I started watching the "Hunger Games." I don't what all the hype is about, I think it's pretty sucky so far.
If this movie is supposed to take place centuries in the future:
1. Why are they still freaking MINING COAL?
2. Why is everybody in "District 12" dressed like it's the 1940's? (OK I kind of get they want "The Reaping" to look like the Holocaust but still it's freaking lame)
3. The costumes on the people in "The Capitol" are really stupid looking. They all look like a combination of 18th-century France and a psychedelic Ringling Brothers.
4. Where is Maximus?
I thought it was terrible. I couldn't believe how bad it was and then I remembered that like Twilight it is based on a book for tweens and I had no business watching it anyway.
262 | kirkspencer Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:47:21pm |
re: #254 palomino
We haven't had a real landslide since 1984, and we're obviously unlikely to have one this year. What we have now is a deeply, and for the time being nearly equally, divided nation. Too many solid red and blue states for there to be landslides these days. NY, TX, CA, IL, MO, LA, etc., used to be in play at least some of the time. Now, not at all. So the 45+ state landslides of 1964, 1972 and 1984 are all near impossibilities today.
For what it's worth, I think there's some potential for a landslide in 2016, and more in 2020.
See, I think we're that close to seeing the voting hispanic population "spike".
I'm guessing the sparkplug to this will be if/when Castro runs for governor in Texas. The hispanic population here underperforms the already low national turnout level, but it's driven in part by not having a reason to vote (backed by encouragement - both subtle and overt - to keep their heads down). That's 2014 or 2018.
Once they've seen their votes matter, they'll vote more heavily in the following presidential election. The sheer quantity of press they'll have received from the Texas vote two years prior will encourage the hispanic vote in other states.
I'm not expecting them to go to huge levels, but even if they come close to current black turnout rates it'll throw everybody's current gameboards to the floor.
263 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:47:23pm |
re: #259 goddamnedfrank
Thanks for the psychoanalysis, Sigmund, please fade back into the woodwork.
264 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:47:51pm |
Defendant: Illinois v. Discovery Marketing, Inc. and Source Marketing, Inc. dba
Fax Source
Headquarters: Discovery Marketing: Longwood, FL; Source Marketing:
Littleton, CO
Product or Business: Unsolicited faxes offering discount vacations without disclosing the full
terms and conditions of the offer
Action: Final Judgment and Consent Decree (April 6, 2000)
Court or Agency: U.S. District Court, Central District of Illinois
265 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:48:25pm |
re: #251 Gus
Anyone see that "skewed" poll from GRAVIS today?
[Embedded content]
Another con artist. Has anyone else wondered why there are so many grifters on the GOP side?
Gee....... I wonder why that it?
266 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:49:25pm |
re: #265 moderatelyradicalliberal
Another con artist. Has anyone else wondered why there are so many grifters on the GOP side?
Gee....... I wonder why that it?
Here's a warning he received from the FCC in 2001.
[Link: transition.fcc.gov...]
267 | alpuz Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:52:08pm |
Let me get this straight. 'Go Hard' = lie your ass off to belittle your 'honorable' opponent to motivate people is now noble? Got it.
268 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:54:00pm |
re: #262 kirkspencer
For what it's worth, I think there's some potential for a landslide in 2016, and more in 2020.
See, I think we're that close to seeing the voting hispanic population "spike".
I'm guessing the sparkplug to this will be if/when Castro runs for governor in Texas. The hispanic population here underperforms the already low national turnout level, but it's driven in part by not having a reason to vote (backed by encouragement - both subtle and overt - to keep their heads down). That's 2014 or 2018.
Once they've seen their votes matter, they'll vote more heavily in the following presidential election. The sheer quantity of press they'll have received from the Texas vote two years prior will encourage the hispanic vote in other states.
I'm not expecting them to go to huge levels, but even if they come close to current black turnout rates it'll throw everybody's current gameboards to the floor.
The spike you mention will only be more impactful due to age distribution. A disproportionately large number of Hispanics are under 18, while a disproportionately large number of whites are over 65. Not to be too crude about it, but with each passing day old white voters are being replaced by young minority voters. Thus I completely agree with your point about landslides...the only holdout strong red states would be conservative states with very small minority populations--Idaho, Alaska, etc.---mostly small states in the plains and rocky mountain regions.
269 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:54:06pm |
re: #249 prairiefire
SNL just spanked Obama's ass, as I knew they would.
Fuck SNL. They finally got a real black man to play Obama for goodness sake. They've been great for female cast members, but it's like they have a two black people at a time rule.
270 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:54:21pm |
re: #267 alpuz
Let me get this straight. 'Go Hard' = lie your ass off to belittle your 'honorable' opponent to motivate people is now noble? Got it.
Noble? No. But the man challenging a sitting president who keeps his campaign at 'noble' will be giving a concession speech on election night.
271 | jaunte Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:56:12pm |
Remember how Romney initially said he stood by this #47Percent comments but now says they were "completely wrong"? What an asshole.— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) October 7, 2012
"Well, clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of question and answer sessions, now and then you're going to say something that doesn't come out right. In this case I said something that's just completely wrong. And I absolutely believe however that my life has shown that I care about the 100 percent and that has been demonstrated throughout my life. This whole campaign is about the 100 percent. When I become president it'll be about helping the 100 percent."
This was quite different than what Romney said in that hastily called press conference after Mother Jones released the 47 percent video. At that point, Romney maintained that his comments had been inelegant, but he embraced the "message" he had been trying to convey at that private $50,000-a-plate fundraising dinner at a Boca Raton mansion. Nothing wrong with these comments, except for a certain clumsiness, said the candidate who wrote a book titled No Apology.
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]
272 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:56:15pm |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
Noble? No. But the man challenging a sitting president who keeps his campaign at 'noble' will be giving a concession speech on election night.
Mitt will still be giving a concession speech.
273 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:57:34pm |
re: #268 palomino
The spike you mention will only be more impactful due to age distribution. A disproportionately large number of Hispanics are under 18, while a disproportionately large number of whites are over 65. Not to be too crude about it, but with each passing day old white voters are being replaced by young minority voters. Thus I completely agree with your point about landslides...the only holdout strong red states would be conservative states with very small minority populations--Idaho, Alaska, etc.---mostly small states in the plains and rocky mountain regions.
Sorry but I find that intensely threatening. You ought not to put things in such racialist terms, even if that is the truth.
274 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:57:46pm |
re: #263 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for the psychoanalysis, Sigmund, please fade back into the woodwork.
I don't mean to be rude, but you engage in the same type of self-introspection and speculation about others' thoughts and reasoning; indeed, most of us do.
And you have admitted that Romney's lack of a human core doesn't bother you since he's on the Red Team and the other guy is on the Blue Team. You're being called cynical, something to which you've already confessed, so why are you getting angry?
275 | alpuz Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:58:15pm |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
Got it. The 'means' to justify your 'ends' are lies. No further explanation needed. It's almost as clear as when kilgore said he thinks Romney will 'probably' bank center after he's elected. Mud.
276 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:59:30pm |
re: #273 Dark_Falcon
Sorry but I find that intensely threatening. You ought not to put things in such racialist terms, even if that is the truth.
You're gonna have to clarify as your statement is really vague. What part of racial statistics do you find threatening?
277 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:00:14pm |
Gravis (R) has us believe, Obama is within 4 points of whites with Romney in #Colorado but Obama losing state's blacks by 17 POINTS? #POLLS— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) October 7, 2012
278 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:01:14pm |
279 | Gus Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:02:04pm |
re: #278 HappyWarrior
Yeah that doesn't make any sense to me.
Just some BS "polling" outfit. He either just doesn't know what he's doing or he's push-polling for Romney.
280 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:02:45pm |
re: #276 palomino
You're gonna have to clarify as your statement is really vague. What part of racial statistics do you find threatening?
I don't really think I should elaborate. I don't discuss matters of race on the net.
281 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:03:30pm |
re: #273 Dark_Falcon
Sorry but I find that intensely threatening. You ought not to put things in such racialist terms, even if that is the truth.
It's what demographers and political analysts, as well as corporate researchers do, on a daily basis.
Is the threatening part that whites are shrinking and nonwhites growing? If so, why is this a threat?
Otherwise, why would you find such info threatening. It's scientific data, backed up by decades of research and accurate prediction models for future demographics.
282 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:03:33pm |
re: #279 Gus
Just some BS "polling" outfit. He either just doesn't know what he's doing or he's push-polling for Romney.
Neither would shock me.
283 | sagehen Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:05:23pm |
re: #250 JamesWI
That was pretty lame, other than the Bin Laden line. Not even close to their past election year sketches.
Now I'll go back to ignoring SNL like I have for the last 4 years.
It wasn't a great open, but they made up for it with their sketch of MSNBC coverage of the debate -- they have Rachel, Rev Al, Chris Matthews and S E Cupp critiquing Obama's performance, making suggestions for next time....
(for those in the time zone that have already missed it, Hulu in the morning. And I still have high hopes for Weekend Update.)
284 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:05:25pm |
re: #280 Dark_Falcon
I don't really think I should elaborate. I don't discuss matters of race on the net.
Sure you do. We've all read them. They tend to be ham-fisted and lacking in sensitivity.
But even if the topic makes you uncomfortable in general, why should I and others refrain from discussing it?
285 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:05:26pm |
Honestly, I welcome the changing demographics. It's part of how a country grows. It's like when the country went from overwhelmingly Protestant to having more Catholics and Jews in the late 19th and early 20th century. I'd be much more concerned if we were in a situation where we had negative population growth which is the case in some countries.
286 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:05:53pm |
re: #272 moderatelyradicalliberal
Mitt will still be giving a concession speech.
Jesus H. Christ, I hope you're right.
287 | dragonath Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:06:03pm |
Romney, the candidate for your dog eat dog, rat race dreams. So much for Lincoln.
Hey, Dark_Falcon- funny you go on about honor and nobility as things to live your life by (per your "death before dishonor" quote) and then you support the candidate that pisses all over it. What's up with that?
288 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:07:09pm |
re: #281 palomino
It's what demographers and political analysts, as well as corporate researchers do, on a daily basis.
Is the threatening part that whites are shrinking and nonwhites growing? If so, why is this a threat?
Otherwise, why would you find such info threatening. It's scientific data, backed up by decades of research and accurate prediction models for future demographics.
Threatening and disgraceful because facts are facts, and the Red Team needs to get it's shit together. (but they'd rather not discuss it)
289 | sagehen Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:08:00pm |
re: #259 goddamnedfrank
Massive daddy issues seems to be an important puzzle piece in the conservative psyche.
Liberals have a different set of Daddy issues -- Clinton had a dead dad and abusive alcoholic stepdad, Obama was abandoned by his.
290 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:08:43pm |
Just realized that I forgot Radiohead was on Austin City Limits tonight. Thankfully, it's already up on their website.
Damn commie TV station we need to get rid of!
291 | alpuz Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:09:42pm |
re: #287 dragonath
Ya know.. I'm not trying to pile on here, but yeah, wtf is up with that? Is that question out of line?
292 | Interesting Times Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:09:47pm |
re: #288 Blackity Black Black!
Threatening and disgraceful because facts are facts, and the Red Team needs to get it's shit together. (but they'd rather not discuss it)
Tough titties if they're "threatened" at the prospect of not enough "angry white males". The sooner the racist, sexist, Limbaugh-loving, Fox-watching "angry white male" demographic shuffles off this mortal coil, the better off the world will be.
293 | sagehen Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:10:38pm |
re: #268 palomino
The spike you mention will only be more impactful due to age distribution. A disproportionately large number of Hispanics are under 18, while a disproportionately large number of whites are over 65. Not to be too crude about it, but with each passing day old white voters are being replaced by young minority voters. Thus I completely agree with your point about landslides...the only holdout strong red states would be conservative states with very small minority populations--Idaho, Alaska, etc.---mostly small states in the plains and rocky mountain regions.
If we're speaking about future demographics, it's time to search and replace all comments with "non-white" rather than "minority."
294 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:11:35pm |
re: #292 Interesting Times
Tough titties if they're "threatened" at the prospect of not enough "angry white males". The sooner the Limbaugh-loving, Fox-watching "angry white male" demographic shuffles off this mortal coil, the better off the world will be.
They need to get over it. Whatever happens though we can't do the same thing that their ideological ancestors did in the 1920's and that's limit immigration from certain regions. My last immigrant ancestor arrived just before the 1920's quotas that limited emigration from Southern and Eastern Europe.
295 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:11:43pm |
Discussing racial demographic statistics = out of line.
Supporting a man to lead our nation when he lies about EVERYTHING, including the ideas he espoused just days earlier... = Just peachy!
296 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:12:26pm |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
Noble? No. But the man challenging a sitting president who keeps his campaign at 'noble' will be giving a concession speech on election night.
As. He. Should. Be.
Not for challenging a sitting President. For conducting a campaign of lies.
297 | jaunte Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:13:38pm |
Mitt Romney claimed his daddy marched with Martin Luther King.
[Link: thephoenix.com...]
298 | dragonath Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:14:40pm |
re: #291 alpuz
Ya know.. I'm not trying to pile one here, but yeah, wtf is up with that? Is that question out of line?
I've gotten to the point that I don't really expect an answer from him, although I would be pleased to hear one. I didn't think much of his evasion the first time he never replied. It annoyed me the second time, and it started pissing me off after the third time.
Sometimes ya gotta stop acting like Charlie Brown.
299 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:15:55pm |
re: #293 sagehen
If we're speaking about future demographics, it's time to search and replace all comments with "non-white" rather than "minority."
I'm working on that, but it's hard traveling back and forth in the time machine while making sure the numbers all add up.
Geez, don't tell this stuff to DF or else he's really gonna be "threatened" by the "racialism" of discussing racial statistics. Or whatever the problem is.
300 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:17:32pm |
So, DF finds the idea of white people eventually becoming a minority "intensely threatening." Not to accuse him of anything.....but there's a whole lot of conclusions one could draw from that comment, none of them good.
301 | alpuz Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:18:05pm |
302 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:18:23pm |
re: #63 Killgore Trout
Israel checking: Was drone headed to Dimona?
One odd thing about the video of the Israelis shooting down the drone: the plane shot it with a missile at very close range. Why bother getting that close when the missile probably has a range of a mile or better.
May have wanted to get a look at it before it went down?
303 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:22:36pm |
re: #189 palomino
Palomino, some folks are coming from a non-partisan background. Are you from California?
304 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:25:11pm |
re: #303 prairiefire
Palomino, some folks are coming from a non-partisan background. Are you from California?
Yes, guilty as charged.
But what difference does it make?
305 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:26:08pm |
re: #298 dragonath
re: #300 JamesWI
So, DF finds the idea of white people eventually becoming a minority "intensely threatening." Not to accuse him of anything.....but there's a whole lot of conclusions one could draw from that comment, none of them good.
No, they aren't good. but while I do my very best to judge individuals as individuals (and I succeed in doing so) I've also read often about the ethnic strife that changing demographics means in other nations and I am quite afraid that might happen here. I'm not a white nationalist, I have not use for their hate. So I don't really have an 'ism' to describe my feelings, just my own fears.
306 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:28:13pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
re: #300 JamesWI
No, they aren't good. but while I do my very best to judge individuals as individuals (and I succeed in doing so) I've also read often about the ethnic strife that changing demographics means in other nations and I am quite afraid that might happen here. I'm not a white nationalist, I have not use for their hate. So I don't really have an 'ism' to describe my feelings, just my own fears.
So, you think the moment white people are no longer the majority, everyone else is going to enslave us? Put us in concentration camps? Forcefully take our homes and money and throw us in ghettos?
307 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:30:10pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
re: #300 JamesWI
No, they aren't good. but while I do my very best to judge individuals as individuals (and I succeed in doing so) I've also read often about the ethnic strife that changing demographics means in other nations and I am quite afraid that might happen here. I'm not a white nationalist, I have not use for their hate. So I don't really have an 'ism' to describe my feelings, just my own fears.
Over the last 30 years, our demographic picture has changed A LOT. And yet we've managed not to turn into Zimbabwe. Fears of race wars or whatever are overblown, especially in the right wing media you consume. People like Mark Steyn may be terrified; you shouldn't be.
308 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:31:33pm |
re: #306 JamesWI
So, you think the moment white people are no longer the majority, everyone else is going to enslave us? Put us in concentration camps? Forcefully take our homes and money and throw us in ghettos?
Hell, no! As I said, I am afraid of the ethnic tensions often found in multi-ethnic nations. But I don't think that there's going to be some sort of pogrom.
309 | allegro Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:34:11pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
re: #300 JamesWI
No, they aren't good. but while I do my very best to judge individuals as individuals (and I succeed in doing so) I've also read often about the ethnic strife that changing demographics means in other nations and I am quite afraid that might happen here. I'm not a white nationalist, I have not use for their hate. So I don't really have an 'ism' to describe my feelings, just my own fears.
Keep voting for racists who stay in power by stoking that fear and paranoia and your fears could come true.
310 | JamesWI Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:35:49pm |
re: #308 Dark_Falcon
Hell, no! As I said, I am afraid of the ethnic tensions often found in multi-ethnic nations. But I don't think that there's going to be some sort of pogrom.
Newsflash. We are already a multi-ethnic nation. There are already ethnic tensions. The world isn't ending.
311 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:36:29pm |
re: #308 Dark_Falcon
Hell, no! As I said, I am afraid of the ethnic tensions often found in multi-ethnic nations. But I don't think that there's going to be some sort of pogrom.
This already is a multi-ethnic nation. And frankly it's one of the best things about this country. That people of varied backgrounds come together as one. Look at our military, it's one of the most diverse bunches of people you'll find and an effective fighting force. Other nations I think aren't as good as we are at integrating their immigrants and their descendants as we are.
312 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:37:21pm |
re: #310 JamesWI
Newsflash. We are already a multi-ethnic nation. There are already ethnic tensions. The world isn't ending.
I worry a lot, OK? I'm not a hater or bigot, but I am a worrier. Let's just leave it at that. I'll try not to talk about things I can't state clearly.
313 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:39:00pm |
re: #308 Dark_Falcon
Hell, no! As I said, I am afraid of the ethnic tensions often found in multi-ethnic nations. But I don't think that there's going to be some sort of pogrom.
Be afraid all you want. But the multi-ethnic nation you fear has already arrived. Better to recognize it and talk about it, than to clam up and ignore it.
It's not going away, quite the opposite. And avoiding the issue will only make whatever hurdles exist that much higher.
314 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:41:46pm |
Let's look at it realistically. This is already demographically a different country than it was for our fathers and grandfathers but it was the same thing for them too. I know it sounds cheesy but I think one of the best things about growing up where I did was the diversity. It really prepared me to meet people from all over. I've had classmates from all over the place. I still remember a classmate of mine in 12th grade government. An Afghan immigrant who was so eager to learn about our form of government. My own brother's girlfriend is a Pervuian immigrant.
315 | dragonath Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:41:53pm |
Using modern right-wing viewpoints would inevitably lead one to believe that all other ethnicities live by similar right wing viewpoints. Imagine if everybody did.
Today I canvassed with a bunch of latino and black folks and I'm as white as paste. Hell yeah liberalism.
316 | Interesting Times Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:44:09pm |
re: #308 Dark_Falcon
Hell, no! As I said, I am afraid of the ethnic tensions often found in multi-ethnic nations.
Toronto and surrounding areas are some of the most multi-ethnic places on Earth, but I certainly don't see any significant tensions as a result. For the most part, everyone minds their own business and gets on with their lives. I love being in a racially diverse area. So many more food opportunities, for one!
317 | palomino Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:47:32pm |
re: #316 Interesting Times
Toronto and surrounding areas are some of the most multi-ethnic places on Earth, but I certainly don't see any significant tensions as a result. For the most part, everyone minds their own business and gets on with their lives. I love being in a racially diverse area. So many more food opportunities, for one!
Funny thing is, the guy you're responding to lives in Chicago, another of the more multi-cultural places on the planet (whites are nowhere near a majority in the very diverse Windy City). Like all big cities, it's got its problems. But just like Toronto, it hasn't turned into Zimbabwe.
318 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:47:55pm |
re: #316 Interesting Times
Toronto and surrounding areas are some of the most multi-ethnic places on Earth, but I certainly don't see any significant tensions as a result. For the most part, everyone minds their own business and gets on with their lives. I love being in a racially diverse area. So many more food opportunities, for one!
Ha, so true about the food opportunities as silly as it sounds but one of my regular haunts in D.C is an Eritrean restaurant/bar. Cheap but quality beer and a good range of food.
319 | prairiefire Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:50:34pm |
re: #304 palomino
Yes, guilty as charged.
But what difference does it make?
I think it makes a difference to cognitive resonance. There are so many folks who are right leaning here, for a long time. It seems there is strength in cognitive numbers here in Missouri. Democrats were almost completely wiped out in local positions in 2010. Steel against steel.
320 | allegro Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:50:42pm |
re: #316 Interesting Times
Toronto and surrounding areas are some of the most multi-ethnic places on Earth, but I certainly don't see any significant tensions as a result. For the most part, everyone minds their own business and gets on with their lives. I love being in a racially diverse area. So many more food opportunities, for one!
I've mentioned before that I've recently had a need to get a number of official documents at city and county offices and seen first hand just how diverse Houston is. I have been in a very significant minority at every occasion. I even see it grocery shopping now. I feel no threat at all - quite the opposite.
321 | alpuz Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:59:53pm |
re: #314 HappyWarrior
I remember a 5th grade classmate from Ghana. Being from west-central Wisconsin he was the only black kid in my class at the time. The first day it snowed the whole class sat back and watched him freak out because he'd never seen snow fall from the sky. It was awesome. I love the fact that I grew up on a college campus and attended the elementary school that was attached.
322 | wheat-dogg Sun, Oct 7, 2012 4:12:30am |
re: #246 Sheila Broflovski
I started watching the "Hunger Games." I don't what all the hype is about, I think it's pretty sucky so far.
If this movie is supposed to take place centuries in the future:
1. Why are they still freaking MINING COAL?
2. Why is everybody in "District 12" dressed like it's the 1940's? (OK I kind of get they want "The Reaping" to look like the Holocaust but still it's freaking lame)
3. The costumes on the people in "The Capitol" are really stupid looking. They all look like a combination of 18th-century France and a psychedelic Ringling Brothers.
4. Where is Maximus?
For a similar treatment of the future, see the first Dune movie, with Kyle MacLachlan. Both are trying to evoke pre-Revolutionary France, I suspect.
323 | wheat-dogg Sun, Oct 7, 2012 4:25:24am |
re: #314 HappyWarrior
Let's look at it realistically. This is already demographically a different country than it was for our fathers and grandfathers but it was the same thing for them too. I know it sounds cheesy but I think one of the best things about growing up where I did was the diversity. It really prepared me to meet people from all over. I've had classmates from all over the place. I still remember a classmate of mine in 12th grade government. An Afghan immigrant who was so eager to learn about our form of government. My own brother's girlfriend is a Pervuian immigrant.
My folks grew up in NYC during the '20s and '30s. It was pretty multi-ethnic even then. Now that pattern has spread across America.
324 | funky chicken Sun, Oct 7, 2012 6:21:55am |
re: #174 BongCrodny
It's also got Obama's approval rating among blacks at 35% positive, 57% negative.
It would take a lot of sugar to get me to swallow that one.
If they confined themselves to northern CO Springs and Tom Tancredo's wingnut district, it's possible. There's only a handful of African-Americans in those places, but they tend to be infected by the madness like the other folks. Some of them probably even work for Focus on the Family or other huge evangelical organizations which dominate northern CO Springs. We lived there for 4 years fairly recently. We went back and my son was super excited to see black folks walking into the Dick's Sporting Goods store down in the south side of the city.
We had moved to CO Springs from NJ, which is very diverse. My kids were little but they definitely noticed the lack of diversity. LOL. Anyway, it's possible their survey is technically "correct," but it doesn't mean there's a groundswell of support for Mitt Romney among African Americans.
325 | Aye Pod Sun, Oct 7, 2012 7:36:38am |
re: #268 palomino
The spike you mention will only be more impactful due to age distribution. A disproportionately large number of Hispanics are under 18, while a disproportionately large number of whites are over 65. Not to be too crude about it, but with each passing day old white voters are being replaced by young minority voters. Thus I completely agree with your point about landslides...the only holdout strong red states would be conservative states with very small minority populations--Idaho, Alaska, etc.---mostly small states in the plains and rocky mountain regions.
Hush now with that sort of talk. For all you know there could be white people reading this thread - won't anyone think of their feelings?///