Why I’m Voting to Re-Elect Barack Obama

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I have to admit I’m making a deliberate effort to ignore the political world today, at least more than usual. I made up my mind a long time ago to vote for Barack Obama, and against anyone the Republican Party put up. I don’t agree with everything Obama has done, but overall he’s achieved quite a bit in his first term, despite ferocious and often deranged opposition from Republicans, and deserves a second term as much as any President I’ve ever seen.

The GOP is a serious danger to the future of this country The Republican Party … well, if you’ve been reading the site for the past couple of years you know what I think about them. They’re lost in cloud cuckoo land in so many ways and on so many levels, there’s just no doubt that they represent a serious danger to the future prosperity of this country — not just for their magical thinking on economics, but in their denial of many areas of modern science (based on either religious fanaticism or cynical political calculation for personal profit), their continuing, relentless attempts to roll back progress on women’s reproductive rights, and the shockingly prevalent racism and xenophobia that have bubbled up to the surface in a highly disturbing way since the election of our first black President.

At this point, it’s not even really about Mitt Romney, although he’s an especially cynical example of the Republican brand. Nobody the GOP could prop up and nominate would ever convince me to vote for a Republican in the foreseeable future, because of what the party as a whole represents: reactionary paranoia, manifesting as authoritarian rule whenever they gain power.

In my life, I’ve voted twice for Republican presidents, and Democrats every other time — and the second time I voted for a Republican (John McCain) it was with grave misgivings.

I’ll have no misgivings at all about casting my vote for Barack Obama.

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326 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:20:28pm

Whatever reservations I might have about Obama, the alternative is not even worth considering...

2 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:21:58pm

Interesting post, but Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi.

3 Kragar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:22:14pm

From the time I was 18 up until 2008, I was a long term Republican. I voted for McCain, even though I thought Palin was a flake. The complete collapse of reasoning by the GOP, coupled with its embrace of some of the most vile and bigoted people in the United States has led me to the conclusion I will never vote Republican again in the foreseeable future.

4 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:22:41pm

re: #2 Mocking Jay

Interesting post, but Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi.

Sandy!

5 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:22:44pm

Nicely said, Charles.

6 Kragar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:23:58pm

re: #2 Mocking Jay

Interesting post, but Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi.

Fugazi!

7 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:24:32pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

Sandy!

ЯEVEИGE!!!

8 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:25:28pm
I’ll have no misgivings at all about casting my vote for Barack Obama.

Revenge will be yours...

9 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:26:10pm

It's getting ugly out there...30 hours or so and this will all be over.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

10 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:27:05pm

I vote for Obama tomorrow because a vote for a Republican, any Republican, is a vote for a strain of insanity that has no place in modern politics or civilized society. I vote tomorrow to move forward into the 21st century, not backward into the 19th.

11 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:27:30pm

I am nonetheless pleasantly surprised at the minor and peripheral role that Sarah Palin has played in this election and in politics in general since 2010.

I think it was her inability to articulate anything coherent on her famous bus tour the other summer that laid to rest any plans of playing a role in the campaign, actively or indirectly.

12 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:27:39pm

North Carolina - Obama hung in effigy

[Link: www.wtsp.com...]

13 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:28:56pm
14 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:29:03pm

re: #12 darthstar

North Carolina - Obama hung in effigy

[Link: www.wtsp.com...]

I'm shocked and amazed that Obama hasn't been able to heal the divide in this country...

15 researchok  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:29:27pm

The GOP has hit bottom. We shall see if they ask for a shovel or start to climb out.

As CJ notes,

...in their denial of many areas of modern science (based on either religious fanaticism or cynical political calculation for personal profit), their continuing, relentless attempts to roll back progress on women’s reproductive rights...

For me, the party's stand on science will tell the tale. Science is neither progressive or conservative. Science is our terra firma. Science does not have a specific morality or religion. Science does not disenfranchise anyone. Like Lady Justice, science is blind.

Accepting science will influence everything else.

The ball is the GOP's court.

16 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:30:40pm

Because it's Bob fucking Weir, man!

17 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:31:50pm
18 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:32:34pm
19 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:33:15pm

It's not even so much about Mitt Romney for me -- there's nobody the GOP could put up that would ever convince me to vote for a Republican. It's what the party as a whole represents: reactionary paranoia, manifesting as authoritarian rule whenever they gain power.

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:33:19pm

"...their denial of many areas of modern science (based on either religious fanaticism or cynical political calculation for personal profit)..."

It is the dynamic that arises when cynical calculating bastards bankroll religious fanaticism to promote their own ends. We see it in the Middle East, and it scares me that it has gained such influence in our political landscape.

21 Kragar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:33:56pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

It's not even so much about Mitt Romney for me -- there's nobody the GOP could put up that would ever convince me to vote for a Republican. It's what the party as a whole represents: reactionary paranoia, manifesting as authoritarian rule whenever they gain power.

It just doesn't help that he's a lying scumball.

22 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:34:00pm
23 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:35:05pm

Any party that could - even for a minute - consider Michelle Bachmann or Hermann Cain as "serious" candidates is seriously skewered.

24 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:35:05pm

re: #21 Kragar

It just doesn't help that he's a lying scumball.

QFT

25 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:35:47pm

I hope Ryan got enough Romney on him that he's of no use to the GOP when he's back in the House.

26 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:36:05pm
27 Kragar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:36:12pm

My promise to you, if I ever run for elected office and lose, I will do this for my complete concession announcement:

Youtube Video
29 erik_t  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:36:33pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

It's not even so much about Mitt Romney for me -- there's nobody the GOP could put up that would ever convince me to vote for a Republican. It's what the party as a whole represents: reactionary paranoia, manifesting as authoritarian rule whenever they gain power.

I'll certainly not say that the Democrats are always correct, but the entire concept of the modern Republican Party is fundamentally broken. It's a shit sandwich made with shit bread and shit ranch and shit mayo as condiments. There's nothing one would choose to salvage. Even on subjects on which a notionally rational conservative would be in the right (say, having government butt out of definition of marriage) they're completely in the wrong. It's actually kind of impressive.

30 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:36:54pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

I hope Ryan got enough Romney on him that he's of no use to the GOP when he's back in the House.

I hope he got enough Romney on him that he has to wash it off with Santorum.
(in other words, I hope Ryan loses twice tomorrow)

31 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:38:02pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

It's not even so much about Mitt Romney for me -- there's nobody the GOP could put up that would ever convince me to vote for a Republican. It's what the party as a whole represents: reactionary paranoia, manifesting as authoritarian rule whenever they gain power.

Agreed, which is why the suggestion that there's "some" Republicans who can be supported because they're "sane" rings hollow.

32 William of Orange  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:38:23pm

Skrew all of this! We need a white president!


(But first watch this clip before you give negative kudos. ;-) )

Youtube Video
33 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:38:34pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

I hope Ryan got enough Romney on him that he's of no use to the GOP when he's back in the House.

You inspired me to tweet that.

34 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:39:23pm

re: #28 Gus

SEAL TEAM SIX: THE RAID ON OSAMA BIN LADEN

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LOL Some serious right-wing butthurt in the comments. God those people are such freaky sore-losers.

35 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:40:27pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

I hope Ryan got enough Romney on him that he's of no use to the GOP when he's back in the House.

Oh, you can be sure that they'll insist on putting him out, front and center, for the fiscal cliff negotiations. After all, he's their economic policy "wonk."

36 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:41:40pm
37 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:42:47pm

re: #34 Gus

LOL Some serious right-wing butthurt in the comments. God those people are such freaky sore-losers.

Wingnuts secretly wish Osama was still alive.

38 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:44:02pm

ICYMI: SNL on the Sandy pressers.

[Link: www.nbc.com...]

39 dragonfire1981  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:44:10pm

re: #32 William of Orange

Skrew all of this! We need a white president!

(But first watch this clip before you give negative kudos. ;-) )

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Man Chris Rock is looking older.

Funny stuff though. Love the rip on Romney's family.

40 Kragar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:44:34pm

re: #37 Mocking Jay

Wingnuts secretly wish Osama was still alive.

They're really good at milking fear over guys you can't see. The Evangelicals love it.

41 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:44:57pm

re: #37 Mocking Jay

Wingnuts secretly wish Osama was still alive.

Secretly? I think a lot of them openly wish he was still alive - and some of them believe he actually is.

42 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:45:03pm

re: #37 Mocking Jay

Wingnuts secretly wish Osama was still alive.

More than one conspiracy minded person I know thinks he was allowed to escape from Tora Bora because he was more useful alive.

Meh.
Bin Laden's dead.
GM's alive.
And I've already voted to re-elect the president.

43 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:45:45pm

re: #37 Mocking Jay

Wingnuts secretly wish Osama was still alive.

And they wish GM was dead.

44 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:46:07pm
45 erik_t  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:46:42pm

re: #43 Sheila Broflovski

And they wish GM was dead.

They wish it were alive, but due to the actions of John McCain. I don't think there was, at the time, any intrinsic ill feelings toward GM.

46 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:46:49pm

re: #37 Mocking Jay

Wingnuts secretly wish Osama was still alive.

It's pretty straight forward. Wingnuts are just butthurt because OBL was taken down under Obama's watch. It's just that simple. They're willing to cast patriotism aside to sooth their weak and baseless ideologies.

47 allegro  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:47:23pm

re: #44 darthstar

MT @dbernstein: Been writing about Mitt Romney's quest for the Presidency since 2003. Not mentally prepared for it to end.

That would make one of you. I am so ready for Romney to be no more than a joking footnote in US history.

48 nines09  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:48:43pm

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are bad enough, but the sleaze train of Senators and Representatives offered up by the GOP, and the ones in power is enough to make me vote straight Democratic for a long time. Mitt would be the empty suit rubber stamp for a whole lot of stupid. Spineless and pandering he's the GOP meat puppet. Standing with that con man Rick Scott should be all you need to see.

49 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:50:00pm
50 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:50:12pm
51 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:50:14pm
52 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:51:37pm

re: #45 erik_t

They wish it were alive, but due to the actions of John McCain. I don't think there was, at the time, any intrinsic ill feelings toward GM.

Wingnuts on Twitter post all kinds of shit against GM: that "Volts blow up," "GM is a burden on taxpayers," "GM never repaid the bailout loans" and other totally false crap. It's really like they desperately want GM to fail.

53 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:51:53pm

re: #43 Sheila Broflovski

And they wish GM was dead.

The death of GM and Chrysler were considered acceptable collateral damage to punish workers for successfully obtaining better wages and working conditions,and for having the temerity to stand up to management.

54 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:52:37pm
55 engineer cat  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:52:52pm

Why I Am Voting For Obama

human communities band together so that people may cooperate to make life better for all of us

human life is not a game with winners and losers; human communities should not be game arenas of social darwinism where citizens are pitted against one another with the goal being to breed bigger and better consumers, and cheaper, more efficient, and docile employees

the republican party is dedicated to a social darwinist view of society that came to prominence in the 19th century; the democratic party is dedicated to the traditional view of human society as one of mutual cooperation for mutual benefit

given the current makeup of the republican party, it will be difficult if not impossible for americans to solve our problems and advance our society until the republican party has been driven from power and cleansed of its vicious ideological contagion

VOTE HUMAN - VOTE COMMUNITY - VOTE DEMOCRAT

VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN in this fateful year of 2012

56 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:54:52pm

The delusion. It is so amazingly unhinged.

Opinion: Eight conservatives predicting a Romney victory tomorrow

Although many professional prognosticators see President Obama as the favorite tomorrow, some notable conservatives are dissenting. Their maps show everything from a slim win by Mitt Romney with 275 Electoral College votes to a 325-vote landslide, with some maps putting Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and even Michigan in play.
One thing these seven maps agree on, however, is a Romney win in Ohio. (Updated: Ben Domenech's map, added below, does not include Romney winning Ohio.)

57 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:55:04pm

re: #12 darthstar

North Carolina - Obama hung in effigy

[Link: www.wtsp.com...]

It's the Confederacy. I'm glad those are effigies.

58 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:55:20pm

Of course, none of this will matter in another 46 days...when the Mayan calendar comes to its end and the planet is engulfed in flames.

59 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:56:03pm

re: #51 Gus

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Between this and the Jay Z thing, Obama's just messing with Mitt now.

Mitt would probably be mad if he knew who Jay Z and Bruce Springsteen were.

60 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:56:04pm

re: #15 researchok

The GOP has hit bottom. We shall see if they ask for a shovel or start to climb out.

Shovel? If history's any guide, they've already got Wyle E. Coyote excavation machinery and blasting caps on order from the ACME company.

61 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:56:24pm
62 engineer cat  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:56:48pm

re: #53 GeneJockey

The death of GM and Chrysler were considered acceptable collateral damage to punish workers for successfully obtaining better wages and working conditions,and for having the temerity to stand up to management.

as mitt explained, he regrets that worker's pensions and benefits were protected rather than the profits of bondholders

63 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:58:54pm

re: #51 Gus

There it is -- the opening for Christie to get blamed by the wingnuts for an Obama win, since that call wouldn't have happened without POTUS, apparently.

64 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:59:06pm

re: #53 GeneJockey

The death of GM and Chrysler were considered acceptable collateral damage to punish workers for successfully obtaining better wages and working conditions,and for having the temerity to stand up to management.

What they wanted was a replay of the PATCO strike and decertification. They wanted McCain to come into office and engage in good ol'-fashioned union busting, using the looming threat of Chapter 7 bankruptcy to force the UAW to accept massive concessions that would have effectively neutered it, or else allow GM & Chrysler to fail and kill the UAW outright.

65 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:00:12pm

re: #60 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Shovel? If history's any guide, they've already got Wyle E. Coyote excavation machinery and blasting caps on order from the ACME company.

Makes sense, since ACME clearly put together their talking points, their party platform, and the RNC where the only memorable bit was Clint Eastwood yelling at an empty chair.

66 dragonfire1981  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:00:38pm

Just saw this on a tv ad:

whyIchangedmyvote.com

67 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:01:38pm

re: #65 Lidane

Makes sense, since ACME clearly put together their talking points, their party platform, and the RNC where the only memorable bit was Clint Eastwood yelling at an empty chair.

Now, don't go hating on ACME. Their products have proven only to be ineffective against road-runners.

68 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:03:23pm

re: #67 RadicalModerate

Now, don't go hating on ACME. Their products have proven only to be ineffective against road-runners.

ACME stands for American Cuckoo Machine Enterprises. Roadrunners are cuckoos. You do the math.

69 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:03:43pm

re: #67 RadicalModerate

Now, don't go hating on ACME. Their products have proven only to be ineffective against road-runners.

From 2008:

Image: 47971_600.jpg

70 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:04:09pm

To this UK observer it's pretty clear there are two Americas - one is quite inevitably on it's way out; it's really just a question of how much damage it can manage to do on the way, and to what degree it can manage to slow progress. I really hope America makes the right choice tomorrow by voting for Obama and avoids the gross, reality-eschewing, fucknut-rewarding pointlessness of the alternative.

71 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:05:07pm

When Obama was elected it proved I was wrong, that America was better than I expected. I'm voting for him again so I won't be proven right, after all.

72 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:05:42pm

re: #15 researchok

The GOP has hit bottom. We shall see if they ask for a shovel or start to climb out.

Thing is they don't care. Look at the people who've run for them this year, from Romney on down. Look at people who post to Fox Nation and Free Republic.

And most importantly, look at how close the race is. Many Americans are, at worst, comfortable with these psychos. The GOP has taken postions that normally would be reviled by a civil society, and they're being "punished" by having a reasonable chance of getting the White House.

This is why I'm anxious about tomorrow. Americans' short term political memory will be the death of us.

73 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:06:29pm

re: #54 Gus

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Youtube Video
74 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:08:04pm
75 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:09:14pm

re: #74 Mocking Jay

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I have no idea how that's gonna work. Every time I've voted they've had a book with my signature in it to match it up.

76 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:10:20pm

re: #74 Mocking Jay

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Clusterfuck, here we come.

77 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:11:04pm

Ah.

78 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:11:32pm

An aide to Christie, who agreed to speak to HuffPost about the governor's decision in exchange for anonymity, noted that New Jersey still has 700,000 people without power, the state is on an odd-and-even day gasoline rationing system, there is still massive flooding in parts of the state, and many residents remain displaced.

"The entire shore is devastated," the Christie aide said. "And if you're here on the ground, you have an appreciation of how tough it is."

"All in all, it's a lot of things that require focus. We're moving toward sort of a new normal here in New Jersey," the aide said. "The governor's been pretty clear that his number one priority is the safety and security of New Jerseyans and all his efforts are focused on Hurricane Sandy recovery right now."

79 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:11:51pm

re: #72 Mattand

And most importantly, look at how close the race is. Many Americans are, at worst, comfortable with these psychos. The GOP has taken postions that normally would be reviled by a civil society, and they're being "punished" by having a reasonable chance of getting the White House.

It's very disturbing. America has a dark passenger.

80 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:13:05pm

re: #58 darthstar

Of course, none of this will matter in another 46 days...when the Mayan calendar comes to its end and the planet is engulfed in flames.

Oh, thanks for reminding me. I gotta get some marshmallows.

81 researchok  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:13:16pm

re: #79 Aye Pod

On the mark.

82 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:13:56pm

re: #72 Mattand

And most importantly, look at how close the race is. Many Americans are, at worst, comfortable with these psychos. The GOP has taken postions that normally would be reviled by a civil society, and they're being "punished" by having a reasonable chance of getting the White House.

I put it down to most Americans being indecisive fuckers who demand instant gratification. If you can't undo 8 years of damage in 4 years or less, then you've "failed" and it's time to give the guys who caused the damage "another chance."

83 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:14:00pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

When Obama was elected it proved I was wrong, that America was better than I expected. I'm voting for him again so I won't be proven right, after all.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

84 engineer cat  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:14:30pm

re: #56 RadicalModerate

The delusion. It is so amazingly unhinged.

Opinion: Eight conservatives predicting a Romney victory tomorrow

Eight Weird Ways You Can Think Mitt Is Sure To Win

85 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:14:30pm

re: #66 dragonfire1981

Just saw this on a tv ad:

whyIchangedmyvote.com

Ah, Joe Ricketts' front-group.

Calls himself "non-partisan"... except his bio says a bit different.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ricketts served on the board of trustees of the American Enterprise Institute from 1999-2007.[26] His son is on the Republican National Committee.[27]

As for the organization's activities? Just a smear campaign involving Jeremiah Wright.

G.O.P. ‘Super PAC’ Weighs Hard-Line Attack on Obama

WASHINGTON — A group of high-profile Republican strategists is working with a conservative billionaire on a proposal to mount one of the most provocative campaigns of the “super PAC” era and attack President Obama in ways that Republicans have so far shied away from.

Timed to upend the Democratic National Convention in September, the plan would “do exactly what John McCain would not let us do,” the strategists wrote.

The plan, which is awaiting approval, calls for running commercials linking Mr. Obama to incendiary comments by his former spiritual adviser, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., whose race-related sermons made him a highly charged figure in the 2008 campaign.

“The world is about to see Jeremiah Wright and understand his influence on Barack Obama for the first time in a big, attention-arresting way,” says the proposal, which was overseen by Fred Davis and commissioned by Joe Ricketts, the founder of the brokerage firm TD Ameritrade. Mr. Ricketts is increasingly putting his fortune to work in conservative politics.

86 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:14:50pm

re: #80 Eventual Carrion

Oh, thanks for reminding me. I gotta get some marshmallows.

You better get right with Chac.

87 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:15:09pm

re: #72 Mattand

The wingnuts aren't clinging to their bibles and guns only . They are clinging to each other.

88 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:15:18pm
89 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:16:12pm

re: #87 Amory Blaine

The wingnuts aren't clinging to their bibles and guns only . They are clinging to each other.

Until someone dares to step outside of their narrowly painted lines. Then it's time to walk the plank.

90 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:16:20pm

The GOP is going the way of the dinosaurs, and they don't believe they ever existed in the first place. Funny how things work out sometimes.

91 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:16:39pm

re: #88 Gus

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Awkward...

92 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:17:05pm

I'm still a little blown away by last night's episode of The Walking Dead. I've never seen a series that's so dark, and just completely unflinching about what a zombie apocalypse would really mean. I won't give it away, but that final 15 minutes last night was one of the most harrowing things I think I've ever seen on film.

93 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:18:00pm

re: #91 Mocking Jay

Awkward...

Not as awkward as waking up next to him.
--Paul Ryan.

94 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:18:02pm

For all you poll watchers out there...

[Link: xkcd.com...]

;)

95 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:18:31pm

re: #90 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

The GOP is going the way of the dinosaurs, and they don't believe they ever existed in the first place. Funny how things work out sometimes.

Think about all the oil they'll produce!

96 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:18:48pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I'm still a little blown away by last night's episode of The Walking Dead. I've never seen a series that's so dark, and just completely unflinching about what a zombie apocalypse would really mean. I won't give it away, but that final 15 minutes last night was one of the most harrowing things I think I've ever seen on film.

Absolutely.
They're knocking it out of the ballpark this season.

97 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:19:13pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I'm still a little blown away by last night's episode of The Walking Dead. I've never seen a series that's so dark, and just completely unflinching about what a zombie apocalypse would really mean. I won't give it away, but that final 15 minutes last night was one of the most harrowing things I think I've ever seen on film.

I think what makes it so gritty is that it pretty much has declared "There are no 'good guys,' because humans are their own worst enemy."

98 JamesWI  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:19:20pm

re: #88 Gus

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Can you imagine if Christie was a Democrat and Obama asked him to come away from his suffering state, to appear in a campaign rally in another state? The Republicans would be all over Obama, how horrible it would be to take the Governor away from his people in their time of need, etc. etc.

99 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:20:07pm
100 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:21:38pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

I think what makes it so gritty is that it pretty much has declared "There are no 'good guys,' because humans are their own worst enemy."

It changes your perspective on what good and bad is.
Survival is a bitch...

101 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:22:11pm

More good news for John McCain:

Polls Suggest Undecideds Won’t Help Romney (If They Show Up)

Undecided voters have been focus grouped, split up into tiny subdivisions, and above all, relentlessly mocked this election. And now, after hundreds of millions of dollars spent to win their vote, there’s finally some evidence from pollsters that they’re reaching a decision.

The latest WSJ/NBC national poll puts Obama up over Romney by the narrowest margin, 48 percent to 47 percent. But it’s the poll’s breakdown of respondents who are either undecided or still willing to consider switching that stands out. According to NBC, the 9 percent of voters who fit the bill are overwhelmingly warmer to Obama. They approve of his performance by a 48-41 margin and like him personally by a 46-29 margin, both better than his national averages. Romney, by contrast, fares much worse with a 22-46 favorability rating.

It’s a small sample size, but as long as they don’t break strongly to Romney — and those numbers seem to suggest they won’t — Obama is in good shape. Neil Newhouse, Romney’s pollster, recently predicted victory in key states like Ohio in part because Obama often polls below 50% and the remaining undecideds are likely to flock to the challenger. If that shift doesn’t come, Obama’s leads are likely to hold up.

102 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:22:41pm

Since we're getting close to Thanksgiving, I'd like to thank President George W. Bush, Fox News and the Tea Party for driving me to never vote for another Republican for the rest of my days on this planet.

103 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:22:42pm

re: #99 Mocking Jay

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Who, in his right mind, would expect anything different from Will? He's a loon.

104 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:22:48pm

Christie denying Romney invite to go see angry cold people in PA last night getting retweeted like crazy right now. Soon, everyone is going to know about it. That'll make Romney's butt pucker.

105 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:22:51pm

re: #75 Mocking Jay

I have no idea how that's gonna work. Every time I've voted they've had a book with my signature in it to match it up.

It may be similar to the way early voting worked this year in Texas, which allowed for ballot-casting in any designated early-voting location.

I showed my voter ID card, they pulled the ID# from an online database and printed out a sticker with my info and a signature line, which they then attached to the voter logbook. It also encoded the access card to the voting machine to match the ballot entries with only what I was supposed to be voting on.

106 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:24:45pm

I always wanted to see George Will's tie spin like a propeller.

107 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:25:22pm
108 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:26:10pm

BTW.
I stood in line for four and a half hours in the cold with hundreds of my fellow Ohioans. My knees and feet refuse to warm up.
But I voted.
And anyone who still thinks there's an enthusiasm gap, well, they haven't been looking.

Obama/Biden 2012

109 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:26:50pm

Funniest thing I've seen this election season: A home made, plywood, hand-painted Mitt Romney sign, really crappy looking. Prominently included slogan: WE BUILT IT!

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:26:58pm

re: #107 darthstar

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I blame the earlier talk about The Walking Dead for why, when I saw the part about "penned in a farm," I immediately thought of Hershel Greene.

111 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:27:21pm

re: #108 R.M, Ramallo

BTW.
I stood in line for four and a half hours in the cold with hundreds of my fellow Ohioans. My knees and feet refuse to warm up.
But I voted.
And anyone who still thinks there's an enthusiasm gap, well, they haven't been looking.

Obama/Biden 2012

Democracy isn't supposed to work this way.

112 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:28:56pm

I mean, if we're seeing regular waits over 3 hours in some spots, how bad will it be when everyone has to produce ID?

113 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:29:02pm
114 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:29:04pm

re: #111 Mocking Jay

Democracy isn't supposed to work this way.

They wish.

115 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:29:44pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Yeah, that was hard, real hard. The Walking Dead has been awesome but equally disturbing. Looking forward to the rest of the season. It's supposed to be an "extended" season so more episodes this time.

116 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:29:48pm

re: #108 R.M, Ramallo

BTW.
I stood in line for four and a half hours in the cold with hundreds of my fellow Ohioans. My knees and feet refuse to warm up.
But I voted.
And anyone who still thinks there's an enthusiasm gap, well, they haven't been looking.

Obama/Biden 2012

That's insane. Here in Portland there are ballot pickup stations all over the city. You barely have to slow down your car in traffic and just pass off your ballot to a poll worker. I voted today while doing errands and literally never stopped my car.

117 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:29:49pm

Image: dodvote.gif

118 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:30:01pm

I didn't realize that NJ and PA were so close together...my geography doesn't suck that bad...I just keep forgetting how small those eastern states are.

119 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:30:02pm

re: #107 darthstar

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One question for Governor Christie:

Given the treatment you have been given recently by both the President and Governor Romney, in the face of your rather impassioned (yet misguided) anti-Obama speech from a campaign event several weeks ago, I have to ask:

Exactly why are you still supporting Gov. Romney?

120 erik_t  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:31:10pm

re: #52 Sheila Broflovski

Wingnuts on Twitter post all kinds of shit against GM: that "Volts blow up," "GM is a burden on taxpayers," "GM never repaid the bailout loans" and other totally false crap. It's really like they desperately want GM to fail.

Yes, but that's after Obama decided we had to save GM. If he'd let GM fail, they'd be freaking out about that instead.

It has nothing to do whatsoever with GM.

121 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:31:17pm

re: #98 JamesWI

Can you imagine if Christie was a Democrat and Obama asked him to come away from his suffering state, to appear in a campaign rally in another state? The Republicans would be all over Obama, how horrible it would be to take the Governor away from his people in their time of need, etc. etc.

Chris Christie should be grateful that Mitt Romney wants him on the campaign trail. He can send someone else to deal with New Jersey and take time to kiss Mitt's ass.

///

122 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:31:22pm

Evening Lizardim. It's hours before E-Day and the general sense I gather is that the voter turnout looks to be one of the highest in recent history. How fare things among the Lizardim?

123 gwangung  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:31:28pm

re: #99 Mocking Jay

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Actually, even there, Will is against sabremetrics....

124 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:31:45pm

I can not wait to watch the full metal wingnut freak out tomorrow night. Can. Not. Wait.

125 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:35:00pm

LO fucking L

126 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:35:23pm

As it stands right now, my biggest hope is that current polling here in VA holds and we go blue. That happens, this might all be over before midnight tomorrow.

127 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:36:04pm

re: #112 Amory Blaine

I mean, if we're seeing regular waits over 3 hours in some spots, how bad will it be when everyone has to produce ID?

From what I saw today, people were over prepared.
Some had three forms of I.D....
They were ready and waiting for shenanigans.

128 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:37:09pm

re: #125 Mocking Jay

Awesome...just awesome LOL

129 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:38:02pm

re: #124 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

I can not wait to watch the full metal wingnut freak out tomorrow night. Can. Not. Wait.

For me, it's going to be interesting to see who starts spouting off

"Second Amendment Solutions!!"

first, and how soon after the Eastern timezone states totals start coming in, because it's a pretty safe bet that the winner will be decided before the Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa polls even close.

130 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:38:14pm

re: #125 Mocking Jay

131 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:38:41pm

re: #127 R.M, Ramallo

From what I saw today, people were over prepared.
Some had three forms of I.D....
They were ready and waiting for shenanigans.

Are any early voting Lizards encountering True the Vote or TP activity?

132 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:40:25pm

Is there anyway for Bloomberg to be pushed out of office? He has been there too long, and while the response to the storm in New Jersey was fantastic, Bloomberg's bumbling seems like a mini-version of Ray Nagin.

He needs to step aside.

133 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:40:47pm
134 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:40:56pm
135 Kragar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:41:25pm

Sarah Palin Endorses Mitt Romney One Day Before Election

136 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:41:37pm

@CletisStump: Just broke up a Tea Party rally. Waved my library card in the air & they scattered like vampires fleeing the dawn #ctl #tcot #Romney #NAACP

137 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:41:51pm

re: #130 Mocking Jay

Golf clap for Booker.

138 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:43:14pm

re: #132 ProGunLiberal

Is there anyway for Bloomberg to be pushed out of office?

He's term limited anyway. I think this is his third term in office and an NYC mayor can only serve three consecutive terms.

139 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:44:04pm

Somebody's having fun with Nate


140 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:46:17pm

re: #138 Lidane

He's term limited anyway. I think this is his third term in office and an NYC mayor can only serve three consecutive terms.

Yeah. As if that'll stop him...

141 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:47:47pm

re: #140 Mocking Jay

Yeah. As if that'll stop him...

The Usurper will suspend the Constitution!

Oh, wait. Sorry. That only applies to Obama. Never mind. =P

142 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:49:24pm

re: #138 Lidane

He used to be term-limited to 2. Your point?

143 Digital Display  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:50:43pm

Well, I'll walk over to this church on Campus in the morning and cast my vote.
The early voting lines were stupid long Friday. I know it's going to take hours to vote, But it's not so bad hanging with thousands of college kids in line drinking vast quantities of coffee.

144 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:50:53pm

Hurl!

145 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:51:59pm

re: #144 Gus

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Hurl!

Who the hell even SAYS things like that?

146 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:52:20pm

re: #142 ProGunLiberal

He used to be term-limited to 2. Your point?

He can't run again, AFAIK. And the way I see it, getting him out of office now would have to be something the people of NYC want, not me. I don't live there and don't have the day to day viewpoint of anyone living through Sandy.

Not my place to tell New York who their mayor should be.

147 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:52:43pm

re: #145 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Who the hell even SAYS things like that?

A win by Mitt Romney in tomorrow’s U.S. presidential election is more likely to boost Wall Street compensation than if voters re-elect President Barack Obama, according to a survey conducted by eFinancialCareers.

148 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:53:15pm

re: #125 Mocking Jay

LO fucking L

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Can we have Booker for prez after Obama's done?

149 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:53:24pm

Government handouts!

150 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:53:41pm

re: #143 Digital Display

Well, I'll walk over to this church on Campus in the morning and cast my vote.
The early voting lines were stupid long Friday. I know it's going to take hours to vote, But it's not so bad hanging with thousands of college kids in line drinking vast quantities of coffee.

Hoops votes to meet chicks.

151 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:54:03pm

re: #147 Gus

A win by Mitt Romney in tomorrow’s U.S. presidential election is more likely to boost Wall Street compensation than if voters re-elect President Barack Obama, according to a survey conducted by eFinancialCareers.

Well, I mean, it's probably true, but right now that's about the last thing ordinary voters want to hear. Most people on the street already want to burn Wall Street employees at the stake.

152 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:54:23pm

re: #148 makeitstop

He has to work his way up first.

Unless I am mistaken, a major candidate has never run or won from the position of mayor.

153 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:55:05pm

re: #146 Lidane

True. I just hope his keister gets thrown out in favor of new blood.

154 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:55:37pm

re: #148 makeitstop

Can we have Booker for prez after Obama's done?

I want Booker to run against Christie for governor.

LOUDEST. ELECTION. EVAR. It would be glorious.

155 Digital Display  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:55:54pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Hoops votes to meet chicks.

My mother always told me I've never met a stranger.

156 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:56:13pm

re: #152 ProGunLiberal

He has to work his way up first.

Unless I am mistaken, a major candidate has never run or won from the position of mayor.

I was kidding. You should lighten up a little.

157 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:56:16pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Are any early voting Lizards encountering True the Vote or TP activity?

None.
There was nothing like that at all, thank goodness.

158 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:56:33pm

re: #133 Gus

I had to grab a copy of that. You never know when a picture of bat embryos will come in handy.

See no evil, speak no evil, totally evil. (R to L)

159 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:57:07pm

re: #155 Digital Display

My mother always told me I've never met a stranger.

I'm the opposite. Everybody's a stranger to me.

160 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:57:48pm

re: #139 darthstar

Somebody's having fun with Nate

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And something from the real Nate Silver

161 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:58:21pm

re: #156 makeitstop

I take things literally.

Though, I do wonder if a Mayor from NYC could run and win from that position. Mayor of NY is probably near equal to importance to being governor in some states.

162 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:59:10pm

re: #161 ProGunLiberal

Though, I do wonder if a Mayor from NYC could run and win from that position.

Ask Rudy Giuliani how well that turned out for him.

163 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:00:06pm
164 Digital Display  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:00:11pm

re: #162 Lidane

Ask Rudy Giuliani how well that turned out for him.

Didn't Al Smith run also and fail?

165 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:00:44pm

re: #161 ProGunLiberal

I take things literally.

Though, I do wonder if a Mayor from NYC could run and win from that position. Mayor of NY is probably near equal to importance to being governor in some states.

Rudy tried it, and it didn't end well. But Rudy is not without a lot of baggage (which alienated people on both sides of the aisle).

166 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:01:15pm

The robocalls are coming every five minutes!

If I don't pick up the phone, they fill up my voice mail with spam.

167 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:01:18pm
Once again, a libtard tries to deflect their penchant for vote stealing onto the right. Voter Fraud and Voter intimidation are all tactics of the Chicago political machine and union scumbags. And voter ID is NOT voter intimidation or fraud. If you cant get an ID to prove you are who you say you are and are legally allowed to vote, then you do not DESERVE to vote.

This was a comment from... Gizmodo.

O.o

168 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:01:35pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

I had to grab a copy of that. You never know when a picture of bat embryos will come in handy.

See no evil, speak no evil, totally evil. (R to L)

They're cuuuute!

169 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:01:38pm

re: #164 Digital Display

He was Governor...

re: #162 Lidane

And running on (Noun)(Verb)(Event) is a very weak platform.

170 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:02:41pm

re: #166 Sheila Broflovski

The robocalls are coming every five minutes!

If I don't pick up the phone, they fill up my voice mail with spam.

I'm even getting them on my ooma phone. And no one ever calls that number!!

171 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:03:12pm

re: #166 Sheila Broflovski

The robocalls are coming every five minutes!

If I don't pick up the phone, they fill up my voice mail with spam.

It'll all be over soon...for at least a year.

172 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:05:43pm

re: #118 darthstar

I didn't realize that NJ and PA were so close together...my geography doesn't suck that bad...I just keep forgetting how small those eastern states are.

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They share a border. Many states share borders with other states, regardless of size. Doesn't hurt that the NJ capital is right on the border with PA.

173 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:07:26pm

Apparently, Nate Silver does not weigh the same as a duck.

[Link: isnatesilverawitch.com...]

174 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:07:54pm

I don't think Christie is going to step foot outside his state until he can reasonably claim to have things under control.

175 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:08:07pm

re: #144 Gus

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Hurl!

That's what it's all about really. Won't someone think of the hedge fund managers!!

176 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:08:22pm

re: #172 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

They share a border. Many states share borders with other states, regardless of size. Doesn't hurt that the NJ capital is right on the border with PA.

That's what I meant...and Philadelphia is pretty close to NYC too...and CT. I can drive for eight hours and never leave California.

177 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:08:37pm
178 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:09:18pm

re: #173 darthstar

Apparently, Nate Silver does not weigh the same as a duck.

[Link: isnatesilverawitch.com...]

In other news, Abe Vigoda is still very much alive.

179 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:10:17pm
180 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:10:42pm

re: #177 Gus

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What's that sound? Oh right, it's Christie's stock in the GOP doing its best impersonation of the Titanic sinking.

181 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:11:10pm
182 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:11:32pm

So I'm reading an article on Buzzfeed and at the bottom is an ad that blatantly states spoilers for last night's Walking Dead. WTF, Hollywood Reporter? If I hadn't watched it already I'd be pissed.

183 dragonfire1981  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:12:06pm

Anyone know if Obama has ever used the chorus from "Born in the U.S.A." in any of his appearances?

184 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:12:08pm

This is why I have a problem with Libertarians. A guy I went to elementary school with post this on FB:

Sitting here watching a Star Wars episode and not a political message.What a pleasant relief until I checked in here to witness the unadulterated indoctrination and foolish devotion individuals insist upon demonstrating for a morally bankrupt system.

Could he be more of a pompous blowhard?

185 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:12:29pm
186 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:13:06pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

You know, I don't think he gives a damn what his "stock" is doing. His state took it on the chin and he's going to do his best to try and get what the state needs right now from all sources - state, local, and fed. That means working with whoever is in the WH regardless of political affiliation.

Do we really want a nation that determines outcomes of natural disasters based on the political affiliation of the person in charge of the state or WH? I don't. I want a competent job done regardless of who's in office. That's all I ask.

187 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:14:21pm

"Nobody the GOP could prop up and nominate would ever convince me to vote for a Republican in the foreseeable future"

I agree with that. If I'm not satisfied with the Democratic candidate, I just won't vote. Republicans are too far to the Right for me. Growing up in multicultural Ontario has made me too liberal. In fact, President Obama is probably more conservative than I am in some ways.

188 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:14:51pm

I've only watched the first couple episodes of the 1st season. I ignore some shows for years then watching them all at once. I didn't start watching Seinfeld till the last episode for example.

189 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:14:54pm

re: #186 lawhawk

You know, I don't think he gives a damn what his "stock" is doing. His state took it on the chin and he's going to do his best to try and get what the state needs right now from all sources - state, local, and fed. That means working with whoever is in the WH regardless of political affiliation.

Do we really want a nation that determines outcomes of natural disasters based on the political affiliation of the person in charge of the state or WH? I don't. I want a competent job done regardless of who's in office. That's all I ask.

Of course, in practice you want people in office who actually believe it's the business of government to do a competent job. These days, that often turns out to involve political affiliation.

190 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:17:08pm

I think Christie's given up on a Presidential run of his own and is protecting his state wide reputation for a potential later Senate run. He'd have to lose at least 150 lbs to run a viable national campaign. In the age of Youtube video this country just isn't going to elect a President of Taftian proportions.

191 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:17:43pm
192 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:18:44pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

In the age of YouTube video, half the population is of Taftian proportions.

193 aagcobb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:19:10pm

re: #78 darthstar

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It says something about today's GOP that most people probably think Christie has damaged his chances of winning the GOP nomination in '16 by doing his job during a crisis instead of playing politics.

194 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:20:14pm

Like pulling teeth from a bear.

195 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:20:18pm

re: #184 makeitstop

This is why I have a problem with Libertarians. A guy I went to elementary school with post this on FB:

Could he be more of a pompous blowhard?

Yeah, he could be Rand Paul himself. Slightly more pompous.

196 celticdragon  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:20:19pm

re: #12 darthstar

North Carolina - Obama hung in effigy

[Link: www.wtsp.com...]

Definitely North Carolina. I am so fucking ashamed of this state sometimes.

197 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:20:44pm

re: #192 Amory Blaine

Or worse, in a lot of cases.

198 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:21:03pm

re: #192 Amory Blaine

In the age of YouTube video, half the population is of Taftian proportions.

Not really. They're overweight but not that enormously obese. More importantly they're also as shallow, judgmental and hypocritical as ever.

199 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:21:08pm

re: #194 darthstar

Like pulling teeth from a bear.

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Probably had to wait til a believable excuse, in this case "Sandy totally killed Romney's momentum!"

200 JRCMYP  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:21:18pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

That and some of the final scenes from The Mist.

201 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:21:40pm

re: #196 celticdragon

Hey look, the guy who did it seems to be Cletus McDipshit.

202 aagcobb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:21:41pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I'm still a little blown away by last night's episode of The Walking Dead. I've never seen a series that's so dark, and just completely unflinching about what a zombie apocalypse would really mean. I won't give it away, but that final 15 minutes last night was one of the most harrowing things I think I've ever seen on film.

Yea, I don't have cable, so I just got through watching last year's season on Netflix. Now I'm watching last year's season of Sons of Anarchy.

203 celticdragon  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:22:56pm

re: #21 Kragar

It just doesn't help that he's a lying scumball.

We went past mere lying sometime last March. Mitt has entered an entirely new realm of anti-truth rarely approached by humans posessing even a smidgen of self consciousness or the capacity for shame.

204 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:25:38pm
"I don't think all Muslims are bad," she says in a recent interview. "But I do have a problem with anyone practicing Islam if they do not renounce the Koran."

Yes, it's Arizona. She's a candidate for the water board.

No, really.

205 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:26:16pm

Derp!

206 aagcobb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:26:24pm

re: #124 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

I can not wait to watch the full metal wingnut freak out tomorrow night. Can. Not. Wait.

If I still had cable, I would watch the returns on Fox News, just to see the depression set in.

207 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:26:46pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

Yeah I'm not up to Taft yet, approaching Jack Black for sure.

208 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:27:15pm

I never heard of this site before, but this item just showed up on Facebook: Lawsuit Filed In Ohio Over Alleged Software That Could Alter Votes

209 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:27:50pm

Christ, I can't even get away from it on the tech blogs!

Why I'm voting for Barack Obama

Our ability to succeed is why I believe President Obama should be re-elected. The Verge exists only on the internet, and Romney's position on net neutrality and network access represent a grave threat not only to our future, but to the entire technology industry. Both candidates have insisted that this election is a referendum on the future of the economy; the GOP's platform would hand control of the internet economy to a small handful of entrenched corporations with a long history of crushing innovation in the name of control. Bluntly, a vote for Romney is a vote for the worst of AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast.

Romney has been specifically opposed to net neutrality, saying the the government has now "interjected itself in how networks will be constructed and managed." The GOP's "network freedom" policy advocates reducing regulation on internet industries, including abolishing even the FCC's watered-down Open Internet rules, which Romney characterizes as the government picking "winners and losers in the marketplace." This is a total failure to understand how the internet actually works — and how much control broadband service providers have over the future of millions of startups and small businesses. The best public policy directs a vibrant free market to act in the best interests of the public by properly aligning incentives; Romney would allow the broadband industry to be ruled by radically misaligned profit incentives that defy common sense.

Not that he's wrong...

210 erik_t  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:27:52pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

Yes, it's Arizona. She's a candidate for the water board.

No, really.

Probably thought that it was an opportunity to conduct waterboarding.

Christ, Arizona. We should have left you a territory.

211 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:28:04pm

From the ridiculous to the sublime, my son has decided in the last week or two that his favorite place to sit and play/watch TV is behind my legs while I'm lying on the couch. Terribly cute, it is.

212 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:28:29pm

After four years of dealing with an economic meltdown he inherited while being obstructed at every turn by the GOP in Congress Obama deserves to win this election. He should be the one in office as the economy continues to rally, it should not be Romney who gets to take credit for the turnaround.

Just as the GOP consistently denies any involvement in the economic downturn it will also deny Obama any credit for the recovery. If Romney is elected all those economic numbers they deny are correct today will be shouted from the rooftops and credited to Romney's leadership Wednesday.

The Republicans will stay united and on message as their impressive P.R. machine spins reality yet again. It will become the "Romney Recovery" and after a year or so of constant misinformation most of the electorate will believe it. Unless he does something overt that manages to drive us back into recession Romney stands to gain a great deal of undeserved praise for what was produced by the effort and toil of President Obama.

That is another reason why I want to see Barack Obama in office for another four years. So that he is the one who gains the kudos and approval for what he has accomplished. Not Romney.

Obama/Biden 2012

213 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:29:46pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

Yes, it's Arizona. She's a candidate for the water board.

No, really.

Thought experiment!

"I don't think all Christians are bad," she says in a recent interview. "But I do have a problem with anyone practicing Christianity if they do not renounce the Bible."

214 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:30:38pm

re: #184 makeitstop

This is why I have a problem with Libertarians. A guy I went to elementary school with post this on FB:

Could he be more of a pompous blowhard?

Libertarians = people who don't understand the difference between inconvenience and oppression.

215 celticdragon  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:31:17pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I'm still a little blown away by last night's episode of The Walking Dead. I've never seen a series that's so dark, and just completely unflinching about what a zombie apocalypse would really mean. I won't give it away, but that final 15 minutes last night was one of the most harrowing things I think I've ever seen on film.

I was actually in tears at the end. I thought Battlestar Galactica could get grim, but that was the most disturbing and wrenching 15 minutes of television I have ever watched. I'm not sure that I can continue the series at this rate.

216 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:31:18pm
Democratic officials in Arizona asked federal and state authorities late Sunday to investigate robocalls from Republican Jeff Flake’s Senate campaign that told registered Democrats to vote at the wrong polling locations.

Brahm Resnik of Phoenix television station KPNX first reported on the calls on Sunday, interviewing a Democrat named Mary Crecco and at least six other Democratic voters who received them. Crecco said she believed she was purposefully told to go to the wrong polling location miles away from the correct one because she is a Democrat.

[...]

Flake says she has the same phone number as a Republican. It was a booboo, and there probably weren't very many more booboos like it.

217 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:31:21pm

re: #214 William Barnett-Lewis

Libertarians = people who don't understand the difference between inconvenience and oppression.

Does that mean that Libertarians are the hipsters of the political continuum?

218 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:32:05pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

Thought experiment!

She has not conducted the experiment of having a thought.

219 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:32:38pm

re: #214 William Barnett-Lewis

Libertarians = people who don't understand the difference between inconvenience and oppression.

I had the pleasure Friday night of being schooled by a budding 16 yo Ayn Rand objectionist at a party my wife threw for the family in my own home. Weee!!!

220 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:34:14pm

re: #217 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Sounds about right.

221 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:35:47pm

re: #217 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Does that mean that Libertarians are the hipsters of the political continuum?

I just hate having to deal with their smug superiority, as they tell me they're just too smart to participate in the democratic system.

And I love telling them how all of their smug superiority will change absolutely nothing.

222 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:36:52pm

I do have to praise Christie. I never would have thought of voting by fax.

223 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:37:26pm

re: #219 Amory Blaine

I had the pleasure Friday night of being schooled by a budding 16 yo Ayn Rand objectionist at a party my wife threw for the family in my own home. Weee!!!

Heh. Tell him to read Smith, Marx, & Keynes before you'll talk to him about it. Hell, even a copy of Krugman's Economics 101 textbook might do him wonders.

BTW, love the typo...

224 danarchy  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:37:47pm

In other news, a bunch of old military dudes endorsed Romney.

500 retired Generals and Admirals endorse Romney

225 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:38:59pm

re: #167 Mocking Jay

This was a comment from... Gizmodo.

O.o

People have been voting without ID for 200 years. I guess those people didn't deserve to vote.

226 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:39:11pm

re: #224 danarchy

In other news, a bunch of old military dudes endorsed Romney.

500 retired Generals and Admirals endorse Romney

Presumably everyone of them works for defense contractors?

227 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:39:55pm

re: #223 William Barnett-Lewis

I gave him a few sources. I'll see I guess. He's in the family. He ain't going nowhere.

228 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:40:11pm

I'm wearing my Abide shirt to work tomorrow. Hopefully nobody thinks it's "political" and asks me to change.

I never make predictions or pretend to know the future, but part of me really, really, really hopes for The Mother of All Landslides for Obama tomorrow. In a perfect world, the GOP would be left as a shattered, smouldering hulk, Presidential Limo tire tracks all over their backs, wondering WTF just happened... I'd love for the whole election to be a "Referendum on Crazy" which sees the nutbar core of the GOP sunk back into the pits where they belong.

538 says "close popular vote/Obama probably wins the electoral", though, so I'll just wait patiently like everybody else.

An Obama victory does worry me in one sense, though... The right-wing meltdown will surely include real, physical violence somewhere. There's enough of the loony-tune types that are already close to the edge, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few individual incidents of violence in the coming weeks.

229 Majacita  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:40:37pm

re: #211 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

My youngest is sitting there now.

230 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:40:44pm

As a foreigner, I cannot vote in this election. But if I could, I would have no choice.

This election does not present a choice. Sure, we may say that it's America's time to choose, that there's a clear choice between the two, but those are just motherhood statements. When one party tells you point blank that they will do whatever it takes to harm the majority of Americans to enrich a very few people, there is no choice. When they tell you that those people deserve it because they're better than you, there is no choice. When they tell you that you'll vote for them because you hate liberals and Democrats and gays and brown people, that is a political calculus so cynical and so disgraceful that I am ashamed that it receives any consideration at all in the First World of the 21st century.

The Grand Old Party of Lincoln is gone. It has been subverted by a Randian hate cult that nakedly and openly seeks to subvert the democratic principles that America's founders envisioned. This cult has created a voter so blinded by hate, so conditioned with bile that they do not care how much they are lied to, or how much they and their loved ones are hurt, as long as they are fed the hate they are now addicted to. It is nothing short of disgusting. And to watch citizens of this great nation turned into such parodies of themselves is painful to watch.

Were it up to me, voting would be mandatory. It is your civic duty, and perhaps the most sure expression of patriotism the average person will see. The fact that one party wants to see less of you exercising this basic right should tell you something in and of itself. So please, vote. Make your family vote. Make your friends vote. In your own small way, tell those who would see your rights suppressed and turn your neighbours and family against you that you are still proud of this nation's principles, and that you will not be denied.

231 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:42:10pm

re: #224 danarchy

In other news, a bunch of old military dudes endorsed Romney.

500 retired Generals and Admirals endorse Romney

Most of those wingnuts are already in Rmoney's Military Advisory Council.

232 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:43:02pm

Did they think they'd get some... benefit of some sort if Romney won? Nahhh......

233 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:43:08pm
234 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:43:17pm

re: #135 Kragar

Sarah Palin Endorses Mitt Romney One Day Before Election

This changes everything! I wonder if Nate Silver has enough time to factor this into his model before The Big Day?

235 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:44:12pm

Military endorsements like this are for military dictatorships.

236 celticdragon  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:44:26pm

re: #224 danarchy

In other news, a bunch of old military dudes endorsed Romney.

500 retired Generals and Admirals endorse Romney

The comments at that story make me want to gargle with bleach.

Typical sample:

Debra Carnrike Heathman> KCGranny•4 hours ago−you will recover ... Don't let Dems think they were smat ... Do what they do and support your own ... Don't let the Dem cashier ring up your groceries , wait on your table , treat your sick animals ect . Don't buy UNION products or things that are not made IN AMERICA BY AMERICANS ... TURN IT AROUND .

237 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:44:49pm

I already voted, and I'm on my way to Portugal, so I may be in the air during the actual election.

Remember to vote early and often, everyone. (And if you're in CA, vote NO on 30, 39 and 39. I don't care what you do on anything else.)

238 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:44:55pm

re: #219 Amory Blaine

I had the pleasure Friday night of being schooled by a budding 16 yo Ayn Rand objectionist at a party my wife threw for the family in my own home. Weee!!!

The last time something like this happened to me I rather enjoyed it. I'd just had to do some research before, so I had the numbers to hand.

So, you're about to get your driver's license. Guess under objectivism you wouldn't need that, you could just drive. But I've got a question: how do you plan to pay for the road in front of your house? For that matter, the road out of your neighborhood. Who's going to pay for the main road? Toll road? So every time you go to the grocery store you're going to pay... how much? hmm. How you going to pay for that? Oh, but you're working a minimum wage job, right? So if the min wage law goes away what is your boss going to pay?

I'd prepped, and I shattered one young man's belief in unalduterated objectivism (and seriously damaged that of his father, who tried to intercede). It turns out that is the best way to shatter it. Go truly local, in an area they know and use, and watch the panic in their eyes when they realize how much they'd have to pay and how little they'd have in return.

239 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:45:28pm

re: #228 Pawn of the Oppressor

An Obama victory does worry me in one sense, though... The right-wing meltdown will surely include real, physical violence somewhere. There's enough of the loony-tune types that are already close to the edge, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few individual incidents of violence in the coming weeks.

It's possible but I don't expect much more than outrageous outrage from the wingnuts. They lost their marbles in 08 and I expect their reaction to be pretty subdued by comparison.

240 celticdragon  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:46:27pm

re: #228 Pawn of the Oppressor

An Obama victory does worry me in one sense, though... The right-wing meltdown will surely include real, physical violence somewhere. There's enough of the loony-tune types that are already close to the edge, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few individual incidents of violence in the coming weeks.

Yeah. I am fairly certain that violence is just about inevitable. What really has my curiosity up is how long until the teatards in the House introduce articles of impeachment and on what grounds?

241 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:46:51pm

re: #231 Gus

Image: Electoral-Map-A.jpg

Most of those wingnuts are already in Rmoney's Military Advisory Council.

Gen. Jack D. Ripper would have made an excellent choice for the head of the Joint Chiefs in a Romney Administration. May he rest in peace.

242 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:47:59pm

Great photos here:

243 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:48:40pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

It's possible but I don't expect much more than outrageous outrage from the wingnuts. They lost their marbles in 08 and I expect their reaction to be pretty subdued by comparison.

KT, you're kidding, right? They all believe Romney is not only going to win, but win in a landslide. Hell, Dick Morris says there's a 90% chance Romney wins tomorrow. There is no way the RWNJ are going to take an Obama victory with just a shrug. They are going to go full metal wingnut, balls to the wall, batshit insane. They'll think it was stolen from them.

244 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:48:59pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

At some point, the right wing will have a meltdown. I think at this point, it is inevitable.

I am under the impression that FEMA's response is only as good as the local government will allow it to be, for lack of a better way to say it. Am I correct?

245 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:49:51pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

Great photos here:

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Shot by Pete Souza, ex-Chicago Sun Times (or maybe on leave).

246 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:49:51pm

Late tomorrow I expect to see shock followed by denial. Bargaining will take up most of Wednesday, and guilt will flash briefly through their minds. Then we're going to see weeks and weeks if not months and months of anger and depression. Sadly, I don't foresee acceptance for at least another six years.

247 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:50:46pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

It's possible but I don't expect much more than outrageous outrage from the wingnuts. They lost their marbles in 08 and I expect their reaction to be pretty subdued by comparison.

I think that the personal attacks on Obama will slow down because Obama won't be a target in 2016. How they expend that energy is anyone's guess right now. I think a further march rightward is in the cards though.

248 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:50:54pm

re: #246 kirkspencer

Late tomorrow I expect to see shock followed by denial. Bargaining will take up most of Wednesday, and guilt will flash briefly through their minds. Then we're going to see weeks and weeks if not months and months of anger and depression. Sadly, I don't foresee acceptance for at least another six years.

I don't see acceptance, period. This country is so polarized, I won't even mention politics on my mother's side of the family anymore, it's that bad.

249 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:51:26pm

re: #240 celticdragon

Yeah. I am fairly certain that violence is just about inevitable. What really has my curiosity up is how long until the teatards in the House introduce articles of impeachment and on what grounds?

Early January for the initiation of a special house investigation for the purpose of determining the need for articles of impeachment. Initial basis: Benghazi.

250 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:52:02pm
251 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:52:14pm

re: #164 Digital Display

Didn't Al Smith run also and fail?

He was a Catholic. Hoover was the only R to take Texas between Reconstruction and Ronny Raygun.

252 danarchy  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:52:41pm

re: #235 Gus

Military endorsements like this are for military dictatorships.

I am going to have to disagree with this. If they were still serving I would agree, but if someone spent their life serving in the military, that shouldn't preclude them from making political endorsements once they retire.

253 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:54:23pm

re: #252 danarchy

I am going to have to disagree with this. If they were still serving I would agree, but if someone spent their life serving in the military, that shouldn't preclude them from making political endorsements once they retire.

IIRC, our retired generals are always subject to recall.

254 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:54:24pm

re: #240 celticdragon

Yeah. I am fairly certain that violence is just about inevitable. What really has my curiosity up is how long until the teatards in the House introduce articles of impeachment and on what grounds?

Ask and you shall receive. Back in March:

Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-N.C., has introduced a resolution declaring that should the president use offensive military force without authorization of an act of Congress, “it is the sense of Congress” that such an act would be “an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.”

It is going to get downright ugly for Obama having to deal with this garbage.

255 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:54:29pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

It's possible but I don't expect much more than outrageous outrage from the wingnuts. They lost their marbles in 08 and I expect their reaction to be pretty subdued by comparison.

256 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:54:37pm

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257 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:55:21pm
258 danarchy  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:55:24pm

re: #253 Decatur Deb

IIRC, our retired generals are always subject to recall.

Does that mean Colin Powell shouldn't have been able to endorse Obama?

259 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:56:14pm

re: #245 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

Shot by Pete Souza, ex-Chicago Sun Times (or maybe on leave).

The. Best. Gig.

260 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:56:18pm

re: #256 darthstar

Madison today :)

261 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:56:58pm

I do find myself idly wondering if Romney will try again for the presidency. Guy's been running, off and on, since '03. Just giving up after tomorrow seems to be totally out of character.

262 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:57:35pm

re: #258 danarchy

Does that mean Colin Powell shouldn't have been able to endorse Obama?

They are all free to, but it erodes the fence between the military and party politcs. Curtis LeMay ran as someone's vice-president.

263 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:57:44pm

re: #240 celticdragon

Yeah. I am fairly certain that violence is just about inevitable. What really has my curiosity up is how long until the teatards in the House introduce articles of impeachment and on what grounds?

The Benghazi cover-up!!!

264 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:58:40pm

My friend Christian's take on things:

Youtube Video

(for the severely confused, yes, it's satire.)

265 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:59:10pm

re: #252 danarchy

I am going to have to disagree with this. If they were still serving I would agree, but if someone spent their life serving in the military, that shouldn't preclude them from making political endorsements once they retire.

My point isn't with the retired military personnel here but rather the military idolatry that people put on these men and the military which is not a reflection of a true citizenry based government. This is the kind if mentality that has led to military dictatorships in all of human history. We can admire, respect, take pride, salute and thank, but the military must remain in the backseat of governance.

266 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:00:03pm

Any word from CL?

and

Youtube Video
267 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:00:08pm

re: #240 celticdragon

Yeah. I am fairly certain that violence is just about inevitable. What really has my curiosity up is how long until the teatards in the House introduce articles of impeachment and on what grounds?

They'll have to think of something to pin to him first. Sadly for them, walking around free while being black is not illegal anymore.

Interesting that you mention impeachement - I read these two articles on The Atlantic last night (the SNL clip links got me digging and I ended up in the politics section). It's an overview of both potential presidencies based on the political climate, using ideas from an author named Stephen Skowronek. If I understand right, basically, Mittens and Barry will both be at a transition point, presiding over the decline of the "Reagan Era" and will have to make the "best" of it; Obama could try to turn things around under threat of something like impeachement, while a President Romney is predicted to end up as a fumbling, ineffective slave to the crazies.

The Atlantic: What it Will Take for Barack Obama to Become the Next FDR

The Atlantic: Why the GOP Should Fear a Romney Presidency

268 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:00:16pm
269 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:00:42pm

re: #252 danarchy

I am going to have to disagree with this. If they were still serving I would agree, but if someone spent their life serving in the military, that shouldn't preclude them from making political endorsements once they retire.

Actually, I'm a little suspicious of the ad. There are some names on that list that make me go "Hmmmm." Notice also that it's more flag officers than there are on active duty right now (451) It might be legit, but I think I'm going to keep an eye for a retraction or correction or lawsuit.

270 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:01:20pm

re: #266 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Any word from CL?

and

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YES!

271 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:02:10pm

re: #258 danarchy

Does that mean Colin Powell shouldn't have been able to endorse Obama?

Here:

"Retired Soldiers may be recalled up to age 64 for general officers, 62 for warrant officers, and 60 for all others. d. A Soldier in the Retired Reserve who receives ..."

Note: pdf file
[Link: www.google.com...]

272 danarchy  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:02:26pm

re: #262 Decatur Deb

They are all free to, but it erodes the fence between the military and party politcs. Curtis LeMay ran as someone's vice-president.

As did Admiral Stockdale, both were third party bids.

273 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:03:21pm

Earlier, we heard that people were turned away from Romney's rally because there wasn't enough room...this explains it.

274 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:03:36pm

re: #254 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

"Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-N.C., has introduced a resolution declaring that should the president use offensive military force without authorization of an act of Congress, “it is the sense of Congress” that such an act would be “an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.”

What, like every war we've been in since 1941? What a dipshit...

275 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:05:58pm

re: #273 darthstar

Most of the shots I'm seeing of Romney rallies are very tight. Not many panoramic crowd shots on my local news.

276 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:07:34pm

Has the death toll from Sandy stopped rising?

Please tell me it stopped rising.

277 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:07:57pm

In California, it's a lock for Obama. Is it too late to move to Florida?

278 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:08:14pm

re: #276 ProGunLiberal

Has the death toll from Sandy stopped rising?

Please tell me it stopped rising.

We're still waiting on the fate of Mitt Romney's campaign.

279 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:08:40pm

re: #276 ProGunLiberal

Has the death toll from Sandy stopped rising?

Please tell me it stopped rising.

Expect delayed deaths from hospitalizations and recovery worker accidents.

280 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:08:51pm
281 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:10:23pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

YES!

THANK YOU!

282 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:10:26pm

re: #280 darthstar

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283 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:10:47pm

A tale of two 'victory' parties...

Romney "will be holding his election night gathering at the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center, where access costs anywhere from $75 for a chair in the ballroom to $1,020 for permission to use the media filing center. Broadcast news organizations will be paying up to $6,500 for workspace."

"Obama's campaign party will be held at McCormick Place, in Chicago, and although his campaign is charging for premiums, credentialed reporters are granted access, which includes a workstation, electrical power and a wireless Internet connection, at no cost."

[Link: politicalwire.com...]

284 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:11:09pm

Bahh I'm out of nag champa.

285 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:11:26pm

re: #282 Gus

Image: Tricky-Mitt.jpg

"I'm not a crook!"

286 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:11:30pm

If you want a good election eve giggle, tune into the "Talking Points Memo" segment at the top of O'Reilly's show when it replays later...in which he makes a comical show of "not making an endorsement".

287 Four More Beers  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:11:47pm

"@a_dean6: If you don't get my LT, it means the majority of Obama supporters are the non working welfare faggots."

Your average Romney voter. Nice.
/

288 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:11:54pm

re: #276 ProGunLiberal

Has the death toll from Sandy stopped rising?

Please tell me it stopped rising.

110 today.

289 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:12:20pm

What the FUCK?

290 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:13:14pm

re: #289 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

What the FUCK?

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In their defense, after the loss tomorrow, they're gonna have a shitload of bills to cover.

//

291 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:13:31pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

:'( Hope that doesn't happen right now, we have 114 dead from Sandy, and 112 dead from the previous holder of the "Worst Since Katrina Award," Ike. However, it is sketchy as to the fates of 23 missing from Ike. I would presume they died.

Katrina killed 1900+.

292 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:13:45pm

re: #289 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

What the FUCK?

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Last chance to collect some coin. Maybe they should just pass on his party altogether.

293 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:13:48pm

Hey Charles, your twitter is one of the 'miscellaneous' (not Democratic or Republican) sources recommended on the Somethingawful thread about the election.

Dunno if you've got a membership, you might not be able to see this page.

[Link: forums.somethingawful.com...]

294 celticdragon  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:13:59pm

My nephew (just out of artillery observer school) just asked this on FB:

The 15 subs anybody? How about the 6 elements of call for fire??

My response...

Ork fire mission 1. I see's da enemy... 2. I thinks I can tell whats dey are! Dem Eldar pansies! 3. I calls da big gunz mech on da talky what-not an' tells him to kick da grots an' fire some high 'splosives... 4. Da big gunz mech gives da boot to da grots an' asks me fer da range an' direction ta fire... 5. Da big gunz hit sometin else instead an' the big mech loads a couple of da grots in the gunz fer some motivatin' da rest! 6. Da big gunz plaster da pansies real gud an' me an' the big mech haves a gud laff, hur hur hur!

295 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:14:18pm

re: #289 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

What the FUCK?

Clear Eye$, Full Heart$ RT @politicalwire: Romney campaign charges reporters for Election Night party... pwire.at/TGTs6Y

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Refundable, I hope.

296 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:14:33pm

re: #285 Targetpractice

"I'm not a crook! outsourcer!"

FTFY ;)

297 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:16:16pm

re: #294 celticdragon

My nephew (just out of artillery observer school) just asked this on FB:

Needs more dakka!

298 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:16:43pm

re: #293 Obdicut

Speaking of which, I want one.

299 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:17:10pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Refundable, I hope.

Ari Shapiro, riding with Romney. Scott Horsley, formerly of KPBS in San Diego (I've heard him forever) traveling with Obama.

There's a good gig, and a drew the short straw gig.

300 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:17:15pm

re: #297 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Needs more dakka!

Never enough dakka.

301 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:17:55pm

re: #298 ProGunLiberal

Speaking of which, I want one.

Yours will truly be an epic E/N thread. Actually, yours will be a billion epic E/N threads.

302 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:20:40pm

Evening Lizards. And welcome back CL. You had a lot of us worried about you.

303 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:23:09pm

re: #302 Only The Lurker Knows

Evening Lizards. And welcome back CL. You had a lot of us worried about you.

"Evening"? What is this madness?

304 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:25:16pm

re: #247 Amory Blaine

I think that the personal attacks on Obama will slow down because Obama won't be a target in 2016. How they expend that energy is anyone's guess right now. I think a further march rightward is in the cards though.

good point. I also suspect some soul searching among Republican party insiders after Mitt's loss. Of course the base will froth and demand more extreme candidates but the GOP insiders are going to start looking at rebuilding a serious political party. Not sure what direction they may take but I'm sure the discussions have been going on for a while now.

305 ninja cat  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:26:48pm

Popping up on my FB, liked by a stay at home mom who obviously doesn't do irony.

Tim Tebow tweet

306 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:27:14pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

"Evening"? What is this madness?

well, I don't know about you, but where I am at, the sun has set. Therefore it is evening.

// Earths rotation. How does that work?

307 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:28:59pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

good point. I also suspect some soul searching among Republican party insiders after Mitt's loss. Of course the base will froth and demand more extreme candidates but the GOP insiders are going to start looking at rebuilding a serious political party. Not sure what direction they may take but I'm sure the discussions have been going on for a while now.

More like searching for their souls. They seem to have left them in their other pants, or something.

308 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:29:08pm

Installment #41 of Mitt's weekly lies on the Maddow Blog, in the final week Mitt went from 884 to 917 documented and refuted lies...

Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity, Vol. XLI

...2. In the same speech, Romney said he should be elected in order to prevent "four more years of trillion dollar deficits in Washington."

According to the budget plan Romney endorsed, we'll have four more years of trillion dollar deficits in Washington anyway.

3. Romney added he has a "five-point plan ... that'll get this economy going."

The five-point plan -- oil drilling, trade, privatizing K-12 education, vague assertions about debt reduction, and ambiguous promises about doing nice things for small businesses -- is a rehash of Bush/Cheney promises. No credible analysis of the vague agenda has found it capable of boosting the economy.

4. At a campaign event in Doswell, Virginia, Romney said "Obamacare" is "crushing small businesses across America."

There is literally no evidence to support this claim in any way. Indeed, a a significant portion of the ongoing cost of the Affordable Care Act is to give small businesses a tax break...

...11. In a different ad, Romney claimed to "have a plan to help the auto industry."

Asked for a copy of that plan, the Romney campaign refused to provide one.

12. The same ad suggests Jeep production is moving "to China."

This is breathtakingly dishonest...

309 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:30:30pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

You also thought Romeny would bring the GOP back to the middle.

Instead, we got birtherism endorsed at the top along with class warfare.

310 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:30:31pm

brace yourselves
[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

311 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:37:49pm

re: #309 Obdicut

You also thought Romeny would bring the GOP back to the middle.

Instead, we got birtherism endorsed at the top along with class warfare.

Which reminds me of why I voted for Obama; I voted for Obama despite his rabid, overzealous fan base making wild accusations, stupid straw man arguments, paranoid accusations against fellow Obama supporters, conspiracy theories,bogus outrageous outrages, etc. I voted for Obama because I think he's the best practical choice in a real world sense, .despite the divisive nonsense from MSNBC, and OWS which seem mandatory to be accepted into the tribe. My vote for Obama was based on real world considerations despite the garbage his intolerant supporters engage in.

312 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:38:24pm

re: #289 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

What the FUCK?

[Embedded content]

He's been charging reporters to ride the press bus for months. I read a profile somewhere (New Yorker, maybe?) where the reporter said it cost him $500 to cover the campaign for a week.

313 jvic  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:41:39pm

1. In contrast to Charles, I voted for Obama in 2008. I will not vote for him tomorrow, but I am resigned to his winning. Intrade's 2:1 odds in his favor are in the historical ballpark for a post-WW2 incumbent, and they feel about right to me. If Obama loses, my expectations for a Romney presidency leave ample room for pleasant surprises; I would not be surprised to have him be a one-termer like he was as governor.

2. I searched the first 306 comments in this thread for the words budget, spending, deficit, and debt. Firefox turned up not a single hit.

Just sayin'.

314 sagehen  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:42:55pm

re: #132 ProGunLiberal

Is there anyway for Bloomberg to be pushed out of office? He has been there too long, and while the response to the storm in New Jersey was fantastic, Bloomberg's bumbling seems like a mini-version of Ray Nagin.

He needs to step aside.

Some of his response was less than great, but his preparation was awesome. Remember how much crap he took for shutting down the subway for Irene and it missed us and wasn't necessary? A less confident mayor wouldn't have wanted to risk doing that again, but we're so glad he did.

315 sagehen  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:49:35pm

re: #146 Lidane

He can't run again, AFAIK. And the way I see it, getting him out of office now would have to be something the people of NYC want, not me. I don't live there and don't have the day to day viewpoint of anyone living through Sandy.

Not my place to tell New York who their mayor should be.

People in Staten Island and the Rockaways have reason to be pissed off; Manhattan's getting awesome service.

But they're not totally on their own -- a bunch of runners who had their marathon cancelled strapped on backpacks full of supplies and ran around Staten Island distributing them, and Occupy Sandy is out in the Rockaways helping people clear fallen trees, remove waterlogged furniture from houses, and running outdoor cooking zones.

316 sagehen  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:57:17pm

re: #148 makeitstop

Can we have Booker for prez after Obama's done?

He's way too young; and he has to be a governor first.

Booker 2024!!

317 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:57:38pm

re: #311 Killgore Trout

My vote for Obama was based on real world considerations despite the garbage his intolerant supporters engage in.

That's kind of an interesting point that I hadn't intended. My vote for Obama does involve turning my head to a lot of stuff I despise. I suppose Mitt voters are faced with the same choice but simply came to a different conclusion. Most of us have to hold our noses, tune out the garbage and make the best choice we can.

318 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:59:23pm

re: #313 jvic

2. I searched the first 306 comments in this thread for the words budget, spending, deficit, and debt. Firefox turned up not a single hit.

Just sayin'.

Past is prologue. I hardly believe that the party that kept military expenditures off the general budget has transparency in mind. There have also been many articles about how government employment has been lower under Obama.

Remember Romney's vow to eliminate capital gains taxes. Who is going to pay for all the spending? At full employment under Bush, the country was still in a perennial $300 million dollar hole.

319 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:04:59pm

re: #301 Obdicut

Oh, I am sure.

320 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:26:40pm

re: #311 Killgore Trout

You're so much better than other people it must be hard to even breathe, man. You're just so damn enlightened.

321 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:28:05pm

re: #313 jvic

Post 308: Deficit is there. Are you just really bad at using the search function?

322 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:26:59pm

re: #311 Killgore Trout

Which reminds me of why I voted for Obama; I voted for Obama despite his rabid, overzealous fan base making wild accusations, stupid straw man arguments, paranoid accusations against fellow Obama supporters, conspiracy theories,bogus outrageous outrages, etc. I voted for Obama because I think he's the best practical choice in a real world sense, .despite the divisive nonsense from MSNBC, and OWS which seem mandatory to be accepted into the tribe. My vote for Obama was based on real world considerations despite the garbage his intolerant supporters engage in.

Gee, thanks for not being a condescending prick.

323 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:18:40pm

re: #98 JamesWI

Can you imagine if Christie was a Democrat and Obama asked him to come away from his suffering state, to appear in a campaign rally in another state? The Republicans would be all over Obama, how horrible it would be to take the Governor away from his people in their time of need, etc. etc.

Though that Romney rally the other night was in Yardley. Just over the river in PA from NJ.

Still, I think Christie is correct in that he should concentrate his activities right now on the state that he was elected to lead.

324 jvic  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 11:11:42pm

re: #313 jvic

I searched the first 306 comments in this thread for the words budget, spending, deficit, and debt. Firefox turned up not a single hit.

re: #321 Obdicut

Post 308: Deficit is there. Are you just really bad at using the search function?

Whatever my search skills may be, apparently they compare favorably with your reading comprehension.

325 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 2:06:51am

re: #324 jvic

re: #321 Obdicut

Whatever my search skills may be, apparently they compare favorably with your reading comprehension.

How so?

Debt is also in 308, by the way.

326 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 3:13:41am

Oh, I see. The first 306 comments. Ah, such an important cutoff, 306.

So, JVIC, I apologize for being wrong.

Now, can you explain how Mitt Romney is going to improve our debt situation, with his massive increase in defense spending and huge tax cuts?


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