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Likely House Judiciary Chairman Is an Anti-Immigration Extremist and Birther

“Anchor babies” kook will head the panel that oversees immigration
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After losing the presidential election, with 70% of the Latino vote going to Obama, Republicans are suddenly making noises about the need to be less anti-immigrant.

Or to be more precise, the need to appear to be less anti-immigrant.

Of course, if they’re serious about this, they should probably start by shunning people like Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), instead of putting him in charge of the House Judiciary Committee with primary jurisdiction on immigration matters: Likely House Judiciary Panel Chairman Is Strong Opponent of DREAM Act.

Hard-line immigration reform lawmaker Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) is expected to take the gavel of term-limited Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas). The panel has primary jurisdiction on immigration matters.

Goodlatte opposes efforts to create guest-worker programs, or grant amnesty to illegal aliens. He spoke out against the DREAM Act when the House voted on the measure in December of 2010, calling it “unfair” and “ripe for fraud.”

Goodlatte said that “the DREAM Act could mean mass amnesty for 2.1 million illegal immigrants…same thing occurred after the 1986 amnesty bill, the Immigration and Control Act, was enacted. Everyone said that was going to end illegal immigration. It opened the doors to more. This is going to do exactly the same thing.”

The Republican Party has been soul searching after Tuesday’s election, with 70 percent of the Latino vote going to President Obama. The DREAM Act is strongly supported by Obama and most congressional Democrats.

Boehner said as much at a press conference on Friday morning: “It’s clear that as a political party we’ve got some work to do…clearly conversations are underway and will continue.”

Given Goodlatte’s stances on immigration, it is difficult to envision how the Virginia Republican would compromise with Democrats.

This article at The Hill is actually soft-pedaling Goodlatte’s rabid right wing anti-immigrant extremism. He’s not simply opposed to the DREAM Act, he’s a full blown xenophobe.

Rep. Goodlatte is a supporter of the Minutemen, got a 100% rating from white nationalist anti-immigrant group FAIR, wants to pass a bill requiring hospitals to report undocumented immigrants, wants to declare English the official language of the US, and wants to end the birthright citizenship guaranteed by the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

More info on this kook.

Good luck with that Latino outreach, Republicans.

UPDATE at 11/11/12 12:23:34 pm

In addition to being a hard core anti-Latino xenophobe, Rep. Goodlatte is also a Birther.

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109 comments

1 jaunte  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:01:36pm
"Throughout the history of the United States, the common thread binding individuals of differing backgrounds has been the English language."
[Link: www.ontheissues.org...]

That's what the Navajo Code Talkers always said.

2 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:01:47pm

And the GOP is off to a great start with their "Latino outreach." Not.

3 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:02:40pm

re: #1 jaunte

That's what the Navajo Code Talkers always said.

Ah. He's also an "English only" nut.

4 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:04:02pm

It's not about optics, GOP. It's not about marketing. It's about actual policies. You're not going to be able to get anywhere unless you understand that.

It won't be possible for the GOP to really reject the nativists, though. I think probably only a small minority of the GOP disagrees with each of these positions by Goodlatte.

5 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:05:10pm

Bob Goodlatte on Immigration

Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
Voted NO on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)
Rated 100% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance. (Dec 2006)
End Birthright Citizenship; no more anchor babies. (Apr 2009)
Rated A+ by the ALI, indicating a strongly anti-amnesty stance. (Nov 2010)
Declare English as the official language of the US. (Feb 2007)
Declared English the official language of the US. (Jan 1999)

6 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:05:30pm

re: #4 Obdicut

It's not about optics, GOP. It's not about marketing. It's about actual policies. You're not going to be able to get anywhere unless you understand that..

They won't figure that out until they nominate a True Believer like Santorum and still lose.

7 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:06:59pm

What if an anchor baby is a result of a legitimate rape?

8 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:07:45pm

This is Republican outreach.

Unfortunately, their outreach targets are members of VDARE, American Renaissance, and Stormfront.

9 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:08:11pm

re: #7 Iwouldprefernotto

He would have to shut it all down and go back to Mexico.

10 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:08:46pm

Presidential proof of citizenship

On May 5, 2009, Goodlatte signed on as a co-sponsor of H.R. 1503, a bill to require future presidential candidates to provide proof of citizenship by submitting copies of their birth certificate. The bill has been described as a response to the theories which claim that U.S. President Barack Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen.

11 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:10:47pm
wants to declare English the official language of the US

If this would make the fever break I'd go along with it. It's totally meaningless, but if a win would aim them towards sanity again, let them have it.

12 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:12:02pm
The Republican Party has been soul searching after Tuesday’s election

Haven't found one yet.

14 BongCrodny  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:12:29pm

If Republicans keep pretending to be one thing while in fact are the complete opposite, they're going to find that a lot of people are going to keep pretending to vote for them.

15 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:12:47pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

If this would make the fever break I'd go along with it. It's totally meaningless, but if a win would aim them towards sanity again, let them have it.

It is not totally meaningless. It's a tool of voter suppression, for one thing.

16 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:14:39pm

re: #7 Iwouldprefernotto

What if an anchor baby is a result of a legitimate rape?

Anchor fetuses are ok, it's just that being born thing....

17 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:15:28pm

I wonder what this loon thinks about Puerto Rican statehood, since it appears that might be actually coming up for a vote in the next session of Congress? Statehood is one of the few things that both Democrats and Republicans show support for - and was in both parties' platforms for 2012.

18 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:16:26pm

His name is good latte, the libs will love him!!!

19 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:16:37pm

The party of "terrorist babies are coming over teh border to kill us!"

Then there's the BMW crap.

20 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:17:14pm

That guy has the ruddiest cheeks since a Norman Rockwell painting...

23 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:20:09pm

Ah, memories. Then there was the "invasion" of Laredo, TX.

24 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:21:31pm

Big Mexican Women: The biggest threat to America's freedom, like, ever.

25 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:22:17pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

If this would make the fever break I'd go along with it. It's totally meaningless, but if a win would aim them towards sanity again, let them have it.

It's not meaningless at all.

And no, they shouldn't have it. If they're too backwards and stupid to accept a multicultural, multilingual America, that's their problem.

26 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:22:42pm

re: #24 dragonath

Big Mexican Women: The biggest threat to America's freedom, like, ever.

EXCLUSIVE: 'BMWs' Help Afghans Go AWOL From Texas Air Base

27 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:24:19pm

This thread just went Level 7 LULZ.

28 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:24:40pm

Well, I knew this was coming, and I'm not at all surprised from who it's coming from, either.

Lawmakers raise questions on how Petraeus affair was handled

29 jaunte  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:28:26pm

re: #28 RadicalModerate

(CNN) – The top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee said Sunday that the length of the FBI's investigation into David Petraeus' extramarital affair raises serious questions about the government's response to potentially comprised intelligence.

CNN has apparently fired their proofreaders.

30 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:28:28pm

re: #26 Gus

Seems to be something of a trend with this writer

Service agent on Obama detail commits suicide after probe into alleged affair, sources say

by Lena Winter

The Assistant Special Agent in Charge for the president's Secret Service detail believed to be involved in a long-term affair with a Mexican woman committed suicide

HEARTBREEEEAAAKER

DRRRREAM MAKER LOVEE TAKERRR

31 jaunte  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:34:29pm
32 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:38:08pm

Maybe it's just me,but if you're going to be on or head up a committee,shouldn't you be required to,oh,I don't know,have some knowledge of the actual subject covered by that committee? Not stuff you made up or heard on Rush Limbaugh about the subject,but actual working knowledge. Silly of me,I know,but it kinda makes sense.

33 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:38:21pm
34 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:41:05pm

From the article at the top, this is another candidate for the chair of the Committee:

“When you see this comprehensive immigration reform coming like a train, on our side, we are all very interested in that issue, but we have to have a high degree of confidence that our borders are secure,” Miller said in an interview with The Hill.

Nobody has ever defined what they mean by 'our borders are secure'. I wonder if she'll take into account the fact that we have so many Border Patrol Agents on the Mexican border that friendly fire incidents are now a problem.

35 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:41:45pm

re: #32 A Mom Anon

Nonsense.

Sincerely,
Paul "Pit of Hell" Broun
House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology

36 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:43:42pm

re: #35 The Mountain That Blogs

That's who I was thinking about when I typed that,lol. What an ignoramus,and that's the nicest thing I can think of to say about that ass beret.

37 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:44:57pm

re: #36 A Mom Anon

Also Ron Paul, Chairman of the House Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology

38 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:46:21pm

re: #37 The Mountain That Blogs

One would almost think this a purposeful thing,a pattern perhaps,appointing the least qualified person for the job....

39 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:49:05pm

re: #38 A Mom Anon

Nah. That would mean everyone would think government was always the problem. Why would they want people to...oh.

40 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:49:21pm

Moral of the day: Latinos are takers in the marketplace of love. Naturally, the House GOP will seek to remedy the situation by killing everybody's dreams.

41 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:52:12pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

I think "our borders are secure" is loosely translated(heh) to mean,"I don't want to see anyone who isn't my preferred shade of white". Only then will we be truly secure,because as we all know,white people never commit any sort of crime,are never poor and never get handouts from the government. Nor do they do any sort of that terrorizer stuff. Ever.

Of course I could be wrong....nah.

42 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:06:20pm

Just another willfully ignorant angry white man demagogue with nothing to offer but hate and lies. Rush Limbaugh trapped in a pencil neck geek's body.

43 Tumulus11  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:06:34pm

'The Afghan military men usually meet the women at three nightclubs in San Antonio, according to the DLI source, who accompanied some of the men to these locations and has been privy to discussions among them about the establishments and the women. The nightclubs include two military hangouts — Tiffany’s Cocktails and Mirage, located outside Lackland's main gate — and Graham Central Station, a massive warehouse-like building in downtown San Antonio that houses 'six nightclubs under one roof' that host a variety of theme nights. Photos on Graham Central's website show scantily clad women rolling around in what appears to be Jell-O.'
// Fox News

. True border security will involve two-way interdiction of the precursor elements: cold water, refined sugar, fruit flavorings and, most importantly, the gelatin powder.

44 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:11:12pm

So much for learning a lesson from getting shellacked.

45 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:12:41pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

So much for learning a lesson from getting shellacked.

Oh they learned a lesson alright...
Double down, and keep your mouth shut.

46 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:12:57pm

re: #32 A Mom Anon

Maybe it's just me,but if you're going to be on or head up a committee,shouldn't you be required to,oh,I don't know,have some knowledge of the actual subject covered by that committee? Not stuff you made up or heard on Rush Limbaugh about the subject,but actual working knowledge. Silly of me,I know,but it kinda makes sense.

True. heck, they make you take a written test to get your driver's license.

47 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:14:41pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

So much for learning a lesson from getting shellacked.

Learning lessons are for commie pussies.

48 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:16:16pm

re: #47 Kronocide

Learning lessons are for commie pussies.

And the coloreds.

49 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:17:57pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

So much for learning a lesson from getting shellacked.

They've learned a lesson. It just happens to be the wrong one.

These dipshits are convinced that the problem is one of messaging. They think if they get a Latino version of El Rushbo and start selling the same fail to people in Spanish that it's somehow going to make a difference.

Uh, no. The problem is with the message itself, not with how it's presented.

50 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:18:36pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

So much for learning a lesson from getting shellacked.

Once you reach the top of Bullshit Mountain you never want to come back down.

51 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:19:00pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

The GOP thinks this is reality TV,they have lost the will and the ability to govern. I think alot of the newer Congresscritters are all about the politics and have no earthly idea how the government even works,it's just about how they look to whoever it is they're trying to impress at the moment. Or pissing off liberals,whichever serves them the best in the next hour or two.

They aren't going to figure it out,it's about policy that's fear and hate driven. It's pissing people off and they're losing because of it. I don't see them recovering from it anytime soon either. It's fucking shame too,because we need two sane parties to balance each other out and hash things out reasonably. They have sown so much nastiness towards the the Democrats,my understanding is that there's not alot of good will at the end of the work day anymore either. The tea party right simply wants nothing to do with anyone outside their clique and that makes not only for bad neighbors,but really shitty governance too.

52 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:21:10pm

GAH. Barfy Tom is vomiting all over the "MILLIONAIRE'S ISLAND" page.

What. A. Freaking. Asshole.

53 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:22:11pm

re: #50 Gus

Once you reach the top of Bullshit Mountain you never want to come back down.

Bullshit Mountain is in recovery mode from the Election Day avalanche. They'd be back to their usual idiocy by now, but they keep shooting at the FEMA helicopters coming to provide aid.

54 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:22:14pm

Right wing media. Current on Newsbusters: Newsweek Cover Compares Obama to Napoleon, Calls GOP 'Too White'.

Oh, look at this comment (bolded):

Hosier Mike • 5 minutes ago
How many minutes until somebody on this discussion compares Obama to Hitler? Or Stalin., etc?

newsbubba Hosier Mike • a minute ago
Already have, Hoser. Also Mussolini and Castro. That was years ago.
He is a lot like Nappy as the article says; an arrogant little plick who is riding for a fall.

Nappy?

55 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:22:15pm

re: #45 OhNoZombies!

Oh they learned a lesson alright...
Double down, and keep your mouth shut.

The "keep your mouth shut" part is the key to having "appeared" to learn. The Orange Boner is lying through his teeth about "having learned a lesson" now. I think Boner will STFU once GOP head Rush Limbaugh power farts his disapproval of any talk of compromise with the enemy tomorrow.

56 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:23:27pm

re: #7 Iwouldprefernotto

What if an anchor baby is a result of a legitimate rape?

Unpossible, legitimate rape never results in pregnancy because a womans body has ways to shut that whole thing down. Its medical scientific truthiness.

/

57 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:24:13pm

This is scarier than any Zombie movie.

58 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:25:13pm

re: #1 jaunte

That's what the Navajo Code Talkers always said.

It is sad that this issue is another in the "dog whistle" category, and English is the de facto language of the USA in any case so these bills are just posturing. However having said that, it is true that there are advantages to having a common language and it should be encouraged, and taught, in ways that do not cause hardship or discrimination without that approach becoming yet another political football.

59 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:25:49pm

re: #54 Gus

Nappy?

*sigh*

60 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:27:08pm
61 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:27:27pm

re: #38 A Mom Anon

One would almost think this a purposeful thing,a pattern perhaps,appointing the least qualified person for the job....

They ascribe to the theory of 'small government' on the basis that all government is pretty much incompetent anyway. Therefore they are simply following the logic. If they appointed competent people, assuming they could find any in their party, it would disprove their logic.

Ergo, only incompetents can be on committees.

62 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:27:43pm

re: #54 Gus

Napoleon. I really am glad I am not so scared and full of hatred. I think hate is more addictive than meth. Without it Atlas Drinks,Free Republic,Rush,Beck and the comments sections of most newspapers would have no reason to be.

63 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:27:58pm

Funny that the Republicans who push for a common language for the Nation are so prone to speaking in code themselves.

64 bratwurst  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:28:10pm

re: #47 Kronocide

Learning lessons are for commie pussies.

I have yet to see one iota of evidence that anyone who was delusional this time last week has learned ANYTHING.

65 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:30:00pm

re: #58 Achilles Tang

It is sad that this issue is another in the "dog whistle" category, and English is the de facto language of the USA in any case so these bills are just posturing. However having said that, it is true that there are advantages to having a common language and it should be encouraged, and taught, in ways that do not cause hardship or discrimination without that approach becoming yet another political football.

Kids of immigrants always learn English. It'll happen naturally. They're going to pick it up. It's better if we teach them it thoroughly when their kids, but there's nothing at all wrong with being bilingual. There's nothing wrong with teaching a kid who speaks Spanish and only a little English, teaching him math in Spanish until his English can catch up. In fact, it is what you have to do.

Bills mandating instruction only in English cheat children out of a good education. We have kids entering our system every year who aren't fluent yet. It benefits all of us if we educate them.

66 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:30:39pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

Napoleon. I really am glad I am not so scared and full of hatred. I think hate is more addictive than meth. Without it Atlas Drinks,Free Republic,Rush,Beck and the comments sections of most newspapers would have no reason to be.

Don Henley said it best..

You keep carrying that anger, it'll eat you up inside..

67 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:31:37pm

This is not unexpected.

The GOP lost little ground in this election.

While the office of the President gets nearly all the attention, and given the (ahem) fascination with President Obama that the racists exhibits I can understand the glee of some when the gloat over the President's re-election.

But, I notice this:

(1) Obama's victory over Romney appears to be by a smaller margin than his victory over McCain, and likely Obama will have gotten fewer votes this time around, unlike the re-elected GWB or Clinton or Reagan, all of whom got many more votes the second time around.

(2) The GOP are still in solid control of the House and most of the Tea Party caucus were returned to office.

(3) In the Senate, the GOP lost 3 seats, but the Republicans who are now gone - Collins, Brown, and Lugar would have been 3 of the "moderate" Republicans on which a Democrat President would rely to cross the aisle on big issues like USSC nominees. Ideologically, after this election the new Senate has moved very little, even though practically the Democrats are sitting a bit more comfortably. However, the GOP retains a filibuster capable minority, and with the loss of most of the "moderate" Republicans the Senate GOP has been, essentially, ideologically purified, the very thing for which the Tea Partying right has pining.

I consider President Obama to be a lame duck. The immediate problem of the "fiscal cliff" will illustrate how much he can indeed swing legislation towards his own positions. I suspect, being so close to the election he'll be able to get one of his top priorities.

And then that will be it for at least 2 years.

Then, in 2014 when the turnout goes down, and the young college crowd fails to turn out, the GOP will regain the few House seats they lost this time around.

68 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:32:57pm

re: #64 bratwurst

I have yet to see one iota of evidence that anyone who was delusional this time last week has learned ANYTHING.

The smarter ones have learned to use new code words. The dumber ones have decided to just put the pedal to the floor with the old ones. Of course, dumber outnumbers smarter by around 10:1 these days.

69 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:34:52pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

Napoleon. I really am glad I am not so scared and full of hatred. I think hate is more addictive than meth. Without it Atlas Drinks,Free Republic,Rush,Beck and the comments sections of most newspapers would have no reason to be.

Yeah. Napoleon. Cough, cough, cough.

70 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:36:25pm

re: #66 Mich-again

Don Henley said it best..

You keep carrying that anger, it'll eat you up inside..

I don't know who it was that put it this way:

If you carry shit around in your pockets to throw at other people, who stinks?

71 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:43:07pm

re: #67 freetoken

Turnout doesn't have to go down. Obama squandered that a bit-- occupied with governance-- but I think this time around, the Democrats are smart enough to really understand their advantage and really drive people to the polls. And I think they'll benefit from continued GOP extremism. In addition, I think the GOP's no-compromise stance will either have to compromise quickly or really cement the blame on their own shoulders.

72 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:44:32pm

re: #65 Obdicut

Kids of immigrants always learn English. It'll happen naturally. They're going to pick it up. It's better if we teach them it thoroughly when their kids, but there's nothing at all wrong with being bilingual. There's nothing wrong with teaching a kid who speaks Spanish and only a little English, teaching him math in Spanish until his English can catch up. In fact, it is what you have to do.

Bills mandating instruction only in English cheat children out of a good education. We have kids entering our system every year who aren't fluent yet. It benefits all of us if we educate them.

Yes and no. First, I certainly never suggested that being multilingual was a bad thing, and by illustration I refer to national spelling bees, in English, that are almost always won by bilingual children.

When we have essentially homogeneous communities speaking only another language under normal circumstances they, children mainly, will indeed absorb English eventually, but unless it is more than accidental their language level will be poor and limit their prospect both within and outside their communities. Part of the education process should be to make that point clear to parents as well.

As to the difficulties of learning a language, they are vastly overblown by those who have not tried, at least for the young, and immersion is the best way to do so. Any child can learn a language in less than a year if they have to and are given some help.

I have done it, in fact with more than English, and I am no linguist or otherwise gifted in that regard.

73 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:45:16pm

re: #67 freetoken

That analysis does not take into account the demographic shift that's happening, not just in the population, but among registered voters and actual voters.

74 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:46:35pm

re: #60 Lidane

I just saw your Mark Cuban tweet from last thread. OMG the PPP poll results. The GOP is ashamed and fucked.


75 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:48:02pm

re: #74 Stanghazi

I just saw your Mark Cuban tweet from last thread. OMG the PPP poll results. The GOP is ashamed and fucked.

[Embedded content]

Lol.
"Do you approve of God's handling of natural disasters?"

Uh, like, fuck no!
XD

76 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:50:18pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

From the article at the top, this is another candidate for the chair of the Committee:

Nobody has ever defined what they mean by 'our borders are secure'. I wonder if she'll take into account the fact that we have so many Border Patrol Agents on the Mexican border that friendly fire incidents are now a problem.

The first layer is the moat filled with alligators, then the mine field, followed by double fences patrolled in between by tigers, then the "dead zone" with armored, automated, heat targeting machine-gun turrets, followed of course by the Spanish language warning signs.

/

77 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:50:57pm

re: #72 Achilles Tang

Yes and no. First, I certainly never suggested that being multilingual was a bad thing, and by illustration I refer to national spelling bees, in English, that are almost always won by bilingual children.

I didn't say that you said being multilingual was a bad thing. I didn't figure you figured it was.

When we have essentially homogeneous communities speaking only another language under normal circumstances they, children mainly, will indeed absorb English eventually, but unless it is more than accidental their language level will be poor and limit their prospect both within and outside their communities. Part of the education process should be to make that point clear to parents as well.

We don't really have those that much, though. Mostly only in illegal immigrant communities. Otherwise, kids pick it up at school, from TV, on the street, etc. If you go to the Mission in San Francisco, you can hear Spanish, and you can hear English. Most places are like that. And I've never met a single anything-speaking parent who didn't feel their kid should learn English. I'm sure there's a few whackjobs around, but it's very uncommon.

What does happen is that kids often get an accent which marks them as having grown up in a Spanish&English-speaking area. That can actually be detrimental to them in getting a job, etc, too.

As to the difficulties of learning a language, they are vastly overblown by those who have not tried, at least for the young, and immersion is the best way to do so. Any child can learn a language in less than a year if they have to and are given some help.

Well, sure. But a year of being taught math in a language you don't understand will put you behind the 8 ball in a totally unnecessary way. So if a kid really isn't fluent in English, trying to teach them in English is silly.

But really, the language-learning-immersion thing really only applies to kids and some adults. Many adults literally do not have the capacity for language learning. They may have all the effort, will, and be of average or above intelligence, but not have a facility with languages.

78 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:52:14pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

That analysis does not take into account the demographic shift that's happening, not just in the population, but among registered voters and actual voters.

Said demographic shift has been happening for a very long time.

Is said demographic shift responsible for Obama getting fewer votes this time around?

Be careful of hanging one's chads hopes on such a nebulous entity as a "demographic shift".


Mitt Romney is a very unlikeable fellow. I didn't vote for him, and I've heard very few people say they actually like him. Many of his votes were anti-Obama votes (similarly to many votes for Obama in 2008 were anti-GWB-legacy votes.)

79 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:56:44pm

One idea with which I do agree:

The GOP Is Nearly Dead In California

San Diego used to be considered one of the few large "Republican" cities. It is that no longer, as witnessed by this election but also 2008. In both years Obama has carried the area by a small margin, and with the loss of new congressional district by incumbent Republican Bilbray, SD county is now sending 3 Democrats and 2 Republicans to Congress.

And this is completely the Republicans' fault, as certainly the local Democratic party has been pretty lame as a machine.

80 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:56:44pm

re: #47 Kronocide

Learning lessons are for commie pussies.

re: #48 OhNoZombies!

And the coloreds.

And the women of Ohio.

81 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:57:09pm

re: #75 Varek Raith

Lol.
"Do you approve of God's handling of natural disasters?"

Uh, like, fuck no!
XD

But those idjits said yes! The flood, we LOVED the flood!!!

82 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:57:54pm

As a Virginia resident, I'm disappointed to learn these things about Bob Goodlatte. He's from the 6th district, which isn't mine, so I'm confident he never got my vote.

83 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:57:56pm

re: #79 freetoken

One idea with which I do agree:

The GOP Is Nearly Dead In California

San Diego used to be considered one of the few large "Republican" cities. It is that no longer, as witnessed by this election but also 2008. In both years Obama has carried the area by a small margin, and with the loss of new congressional district by incumbent Republican Bilbray, SD county is now sending 3 Democrats and 2 Republicans to Congress.

And this is completely the Republicans' fault, as certainly the local Democratic party has been pretty lame as a machine.

Bilbray is finally, finally out.

84 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:58:38pm

Before I left for the Veterans day lunch there were some Lizards talking about rescue dogs. You know, even rescue dogs want to be rescued sometimes. Like when i put Winston's little baseball cap on backwards and make him dance to Cake at full blast. He hates it when i make him be a hip hop singer. It's funnier than hell as his eyes beg me to stop and I don't.

85 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:00:40pm

re: #67 freetoken

I consider President Obama to be a lame duck. The immediate problem of the "fiscal cliff" will illustrate how much he can indeed swing legislation towards his own positions. I suspect, being so close to the election he'll be able to get one of his top priorities.

And then that will be it for at least 2 years.

Then, in 2014 when the turnout goes down, and the young college crowd fails to turn out, the GOP will regain the few House seats they lost this time around.

I like your viewpoints and all, but goddamn you sound like a sad sack liberal.

86 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:01:12pm

re: #83 Stanghazi

Bilbray is finally, finally out.

Yes, but he was the least wingnutty of local Republicans. Heck, on a few issues he was even, *gasp*, "moderate".

Still re-elected was "Car Thief" Issa, one of the richest men in Congress, and Hunter The Lesser, one of the more Tea Partying (at least on immigration issues.)

87 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:02:04pm

re: #85 dragonath

Political change comes very slowly to this country.

88 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:04:29pm

re: #87 freetoken

Political change comes very slowly to this country.

But come it does.

89 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:07:05pm

re: #77 Obdicut

I question how much it costs us to find qualified teachers, and allocate separate classrooms in order to teach subjects in another language, mainly Spanish, when the same resources could be spent on language instead.

I do agree that there are different approaches for different age groups, but my comments are primarily directed at the young, say up to Middle School. In the case of math, I know from experience that the language of math that I learned was not very conducive to tutoring my kids in the way it is presented today and I question just how far advanced those who start in one language will be when they have to switch to another.

Needless to say, we can be critical of how well language is taught to native English speakers in some communities as well. As you say, accent, vocabulary and slang usage can also be a detriment.

90 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:09:05pm

From that last article I linked, quoting the LA Times:

[...] Women also supported Obama over Romney nationally and in California, where they broke for the president by 27 percentage points.

To me, this is the bigger story, than "demographics" as far as race/ethnic group.

Women.

The GOP is losing the female vote. Nationally perhaps not by as large a share as here in California, but women voters in this country are beginning to be the litmus test for whether someone will become President. If the GOP refuses to reconsider its stands on issues important to female voters than I can't see how the GOP can ever regain the Presidency.

91 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:09:10pm

re: #67 freetoken

I think the right wing's attraction for new votes passed the inflection point some time ago. The change in the slope of their popularity is decreasing rapidly. They're running out of ammo and there's nothing left in the bag of tricks. And as the Euro zone continues to melt, The Democrats need to keep reminding voters that the GOP is pushing the same austerity strategy here.

92 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:13:12pm

re: #89 Achilles Tang

I question how much it costs us to find qualified teachers, and allocate separate classrooms in order to teach subjects in another language, mainly Spanish, when the same resources could be spent on language instead.

It's not an either or. We can't just not teach them math for a year. It's not an option.

I do agree that there are different approaches for different age groups, but my comments are primarily directed at the young, say up to Middle School. In the case of math, I know from experience that the language of math that I learned was not very conducive to tutoring my kids in the way it is presented today and I question just how far advanced those who start in one language will be when they have to switch to another.

Question it all you want, but read up on the subject and you'll find that English language literacy is very important to math learning when the instruction is in English. And once you're behind in the school system, it tends to escalate.

Needless to say, we can be critical of how well language is taught to native English speakers in some communities as well. As you say, accent, vocabulary and slang usage can also be a detriment.

Well, they can be, but do we really want to eradicate accent? I'm in a weird position on this because I grew up moving around so much that I never developed an accent; I can speak however I want. I normally combine a very slight southern drawl with a shade of Chicago, overlaid on a field of transatlantic.

But I like accents. I like that people sound different. I don't want them eradicated-- but I do think most people can learn to speak unaccented English as well as accented English. But that's tricky, I don't have any actual data to back that up. It may be that accent carries so much socio-economic data in it that it'd be better to emphasize high-status English.

93 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:15:19pm

re: #67 freetoken

obama won by the highest margin for any president since fdr facing an economic hole so deep, that is, he won. the gop was fully aware that this fact made for their best opportunity for a long time. the story that was so fresh and worked so well 32 years ago for ronald reagan has become stale and is beginning to smell, yet the gop hasn't come up with anything else

what happens to the gop in 2016 if they don't have racism and recession working for them?

the house has the 2010 gerrymandering working for it, since the total national congressional vote actually has the democrats winning by a small margin, but dem turnout is not always overwhelmed by republican in the midterms, and hopefully we will see the same kind of GOTV for democratic candidates in 2014 that we saw last week. remember that the gop house managed to shoot itself in the foot in 1998 at the same point, and the gop house now don't look no smarter derr derr

94 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:19:15pm

re: #92 Obdicut

OK, we can dissect forever, although when you said accent, I took it to mean to a degree that is detrimental and even hard to understand, but that argument is also trivial given how hard it can be for a New Yorker to understand, say, someone in rural Georgia.

Nuff said.

95 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:20:49pm

re: #84 Digital Display

Three years ago this January I rescued a pitiful,sick and malnourished puppy from our county shelter. Today she is an 80 lb happy,beautiful doggie. German Shepard/Doberman mix. My life would be much poorer without her. I count her as one of the best friends I've ever had,and certainly,she loves me more than just about any of the humans I know. It's one of the best decisions I ever made. I would never be able to put a hat on her though,she'd eat it,lol.

96 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:21:17pm

The griminess of DC marches on:

Woman who received threatening emails revealed in Petraeus scandal

The identity of the woman whose complaints sparked the FBI investigation that ended David Petraeus' public career emerged Sunday, as members of Congress demanded a fuller explanation of how and when law enforcement agents learned the CIA director was having an extramarital affair.

[...]

97 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:27:20pm

National Racists Online still demonstrating how willing they are to do whatever possible to avoid accepting the truth:

Buzzfeed’s Illiterate Insinuation

See, the real problem is leftist illiterates like Buzzfeed, not the reality about which the whole story ought to be about.

98 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:29:01pm
99 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:32:38pm

In an otherwise unremarkable (even poor) editorial by Hearst Commentary syndicate writer Jonathan Gurwitz lay one good line:

Commentary: There are few people in the GOP responsible for Republican failures of 2012

[...]

Much of the blame will be directed at Mitt Romney, who was — to be sure — an imperfect candidate who ran an imperfect campaign. It would be easy to make him the scapegoat of 2012. But consider his even more imperfect opponents in the GOP primaries.

Donald Trump with his birther conspiracies. Michele Bachmann with her Muslim conspiracies. Rick Santorum and his nausea about the separation of church and state. Newt Gingrich’s irreverence for the separation of powers. Herman Cain and the four women. Rick Perry and the three … no, make that two government agencies he’d abolish.

Their antics created a fog of buffoonery and extremism from which Romney could not escape. Others turned this fog into a toxic cloud.

[...]

Yes, a "fog of buffoonery " - that describes pretty well what the Tea Partying GOP has become.

100 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:32:50pm

freeperville today:

Within 6 months they will announce a deal on the “fiscal cliff” with great fanfare.

Then the economy will tumble.
...
The GOP will cave.

The deal that will be announced will be one that makes the whole thing worse in reality. It will prove to those who pay attention that this country is not interested in fiscal responsibility.

As the media praises Obama for “saving the economy” the real economic collapse will start.

GOP agenda 2013 - predict economic collapse and medical care prices going through the roof

GOP agenda 2016 - try to twist the facts to "prove" that this happened

101 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:39:29pm

re: #100 engineer cat

Within 6 months they will announce a deal on the “fiscal cliff” with great fanfare.

Uhh...Mr. Freeper?
They have until Jan. 1st or sequestration kicks in with 120 billion in automatic spending cuts for FY2013. The military alone gets hit for 55 billion of that which the Republicans don't want to see happen at all.

102 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:41:13pm

re: #101 watching you tiny alien kittens are

If you had posted that about ten seconds sooner, you would have saved me some typing. Can't you type any faster?

/

103 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:45:53pm

The recurrent self-blindness of the racist right continues, and they evidence an absolute refusal to allow even the tiniest bit of enlightenment into their worldview, is on display over at PJM where uber-American-exceptionalist David P. Goldman ("Spengler") puts up an article:

Stop talking about the Hispanics for a moment — what about Asian-Americans?

which discusses the obvious inability of Romney to carry the "Asian vote".

Anyway, the copious comments are full of xenophobia, racism, and war mongering.

Logical, I suppose.

And then they wonder why said groups of their targeted hate don't want to join with them.

104 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:49:51pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

If you had posted that about ten seconds sooner, you would have saved me some typing. Can't you type any faster?

/

Sorry I had to glance back at an article I read this morning to make sure I had the number right. ;)

105 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:57:59pm

declare English the official language

don't annoy me while i am painstakingly using google translate to map all of the comments for the spanish language version of my text processing software into spanish

/**
* Copia interna de la palabra a codificar, asignados por separado de cadena
* Señalado en el parámetro de entrada.
*
* Internal copy of word to be encoded, allocated separately from string
* pointed to in incoming parameter.
*/

106 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 3:20:40pm

Poorly stated post withdrawn.

107 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 4:31:31pm

re: #8 RadicalModerate

And unfortunately for Republicans, there just aren't enough White racists to get them in the White House. The White vote is actually decreasing. I think the Republicans have no choice but to pass sensible immigration reform. They need the Latino vote.

108 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 4:34:27pm

re: #103 freetoken

Yes, I'm sure it was shocking to them that Asians being the "token minority" voted overwhelmingly for President Obama. I mean why would the hardworking, family oriented, highly educated Asians vote for the lazy, dumb Black man (Sununu/Gingrich's words)? I'm sure that's very puzzling for Rightwingers.

109 theheat  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:29:15am

Goodlatte has been a filthy lying sonofabitch since he straight up lied about horse slaughter years ago, when there was a big move to make a federal amendment to end it. I was there. I saw it. I know what this prick is about.

I wouldn't trust this guy to feed my goldfish and not lie about it.


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