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1 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:45:12am

Yet, he's the go-to guy to get deals done. The fiscal cliff (not clavin). He's done something right.

2 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:45:33am

Obviously this is the most outrageously outrage of all things outrageable and can only by fixed by immediately impeaching all Democrats starting with Obama.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:47:43am

O/T but here's the list of Republicans who voted against aid for Sandy victims but who lobbied for disaster aid in their own states.

4 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:49:14am

Ya gota like Biden.

5 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:49:41am

Biden has his eye "on-the-ball".

I have no doubt.

6 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:50:00am

re: #1 lawhawk

Yet, he's the go-to guy to get deals done. The fiscal cliff (not clavin). He's done something right.

I think that actually goes with this. Biden's gift seems to me that he works hard on serious issues but he doesn't take himself seriously so he's probably easier to work with. I just imagine him as the guy who cracks jokes during serious negotiations to ease the tension.

7 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:50:31am

This was great by the way. Makes me wish Biden wasn't going to be 70+ in 2016 because I think he would be a good president.

8 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:51:52am

re: #3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

O/T but here's the list of Republicans who voted against aid for Sandy victims but who lobbied for disaster aid in their own states.

They're frickin' hypocrites. They want theirs and screw #Sandy victims.

They weren't going to accept setoffs or sequestration or delays on getting aid done. But with Sandy they're going all out to block or reduce the aid due to victims across the Middle Atlantic states.

9 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:53:50am

re: #3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

O/T but here's the list of Republicans who voted against aid for Sandy victims but who lobbied for disaster aid in their own states.

Just watch when the next natural disaster hits their district, they'll be begging for it. Fucking assholes.

10 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:54:02am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

This was great by the way. Makes me wish Biden wasn't going to be 70+ in 2016 because I think he would be a good president.

But he's a drunk! And a gaffe machine! And Ryan is going to destroy him in the debate!

11 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:54:09am

Just in case anyone needs some perspective.

12 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:54:29am

re: #10 bratwurst

Ryan is a "master debater" :).

13 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:54:58am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Ryan is a "master debater" :).

I think you have too many syllables there.

14 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:55:06am

Whose mother was that by the way that he was having the most fun with?

15 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:55:31am

re: #13 FemNaziBitch

I think you have too many syllables there.

"policy wank"?

16 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:55:38am

That wacky Vice President says the darndest things

where's art linkletter whenya need him?

17 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:56:55am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Just watch when the next natural disaster hits their district, they'll be begging for it. Fucking assholes.

this is why, in my darker fantasies, the admin would take the red states seriously when they vote against shit like this. And by take them seriously I mean deny federal disaster assistance when they get hit, after all they sent people to congress who don't believe in those things.

Now the "good" side of me says we should help no matter what, this is America for fuck's sake. The darker side of me says screw 'em, let 'em drown, drink cruddy water, get disease and decrease the surplus population.

18 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:57:29am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

I think it was Sen. Barrasso's mother.

19 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:57:37am

re: #11 FemNaziBitch

Just in case anyone needs some perspective.

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20 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:57:53am

re: #18 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I think it was Sen. Barrasso's mother.

Ah okay.

21 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:58:57am

re: #17 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this is why, in my darker fantasies, the admin would take the red states seriously when they vote against shit like this. And by take them seriously I mean deny federal disaster assistance when they get hit, after all they sent people to congress who don't believe in those things.

Now the "good" side of me says we should help no matter what, this is America for fuck's sake. The darker side of me says screw 'em, let 'em drown, drink cruddy water, get disease and decrease the surplus population.

I kind of feel that way sometimes I admit but it doesn't last for long because I'm a bleeding heart after all. Plus, the kids that live in those states and districts shouldn't be punished because their parents and grandparents are voting for idiots.

22 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:03:36pm

Have to admit though, I'm getting tired of the "Help me government when my district or state needs help" but "Fuck you if you live anywhere else." We're all in this together ultimately. And despite their excuses. This isn't about the debt. It's not about the debt at all.

23 leftynyc  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:03:44pm

re: #19 Kragar

Image: 36g1r1.jpg

That cracked me up. Was playing with the laser light with Sundance last night. Never fails to amuse the hell out of me.

24 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:03:55pm

WSJ On GOP Debt Ceiling Threat:

You can’t take a hostage you aren’t prepared to shoot.

25 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:07:32pm
Depression Increases in Areas Superstorm Sandy Hit Hardest
Daily worry and anger also increase in most affected areas
by Dan Witters and Steve Ander

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- While federal and state government authorities identified Superstorm Sandy as the second costliest storm in U.S. history at over $71.3 billion in damages, this figure does not reflect the emotional costs. Residents in the ZIP codes most affected by Superstorm Sandy experienced a 25% increase in depression diagnoses in the six weeks immediately following the storm. Similarly, those living elsewhere in New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut also saw an increase in depression diagnoses of 17% compared to pre-storm levels.

26 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:09:07pm

re: #25 FemNaziBitch

That'll show them for making fun of Glenn Beck and voting for Obama!

27 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:11:32pm

Phone call of the day (so far):

[I answer with the name of my shop]

"Hi. Is this [name of competitor down the street] too?"

"No, they have their own phone number, would you like to have it?"

"Yes, please."

[I give him the number. I worked there 14 years ago, so I know it.]

"OK, thank you, sorry."

"No problem."

28 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:12:15pm

Have You Ever Wondered What Compells Your Conservative Relatives to Vote the Way They Do?

To begin with, left and right have different understandings of fairness. The left tends to focus on equality, with an emphasis on equality of outcome. In contrast, the right cares exclusively about proportionality of outcome: if outcomes are equalized when deservingness isn’t the same, they consider that an abomination. This is why welfare is such a contentious issue. When social conservatives look at people who might have contributed to their own sorry state, they’re deeply offended by the thought of bailing them out, but on the left, compassion for those who are suffering is more widespread. There’s a basic difference in moral attitude about how each side thinks about “fairness.”

29 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:12:59pm

re: #24 jaunte

WSJ On GOP Debt Ceiling Threat:

You can’t take a hostage you aren’t prepared to shoot.

Thing about it is that the GOP has gerrymandered the country so effectively that they'd actually cement their reelections by driving the country into a depression in order to pressure Obama into killing Medicare.

30 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:13:08pm
31 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:15:21pm

re: #28 FemNaziBitch

Have You Ever Wondered What Compells Your Conservative Relatives to Vote the Way They Do?

AND HEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM:

With political and moral questions, our goal isn’t “the truth.”

32 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:15:49pm

re: #30 bratwurst

If I had the time, I'm sure I could come up with disaster declarations and demands for the rest of 'em. Hypocrites one and all. Huelskamp claims to be fiscally responsible and wants offsets, but he actually is on the record as questioning the need for Sandy relief at all.

33 Lidane  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:15:51pm

Matt Taibbi: The 10 Most Pretentious Moments In History: Readers Speak Out

Excerpt:

Ayn Rand fits this list for many reasons, but the biggest is that she had absolutely no sense of humor. You can smoke a whole ounce of the world's most potent marijuana and not laugh a single time reading one of Rand's books.

34 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:16:08pm

re: #23 leftynyc

That cracked me up. Was playing with the laser light with Sundance last night. Never fails to amuse the hell out of me.

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35 Gus  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:16:37pm

re: #32 lawhawk

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If I had the time, I'm sure I could come up with disaster declarations and demands for the rest of 'em. Hypocrites one and all. Huelskamp claims to be fiscally responsible and wants offsets, but he actually is on the record as questioning the need for Sandy relief at all.

The entire Kansas delegation voted against Sandy relief. Freaking tornado central.

36 iossarian  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:17:23pm

re: #32 lawhawk

Thoroughly unsurprising from the party of "I've got mine, Fuck You."

37 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:17:39pm

re: #34 Kragar

Image: MrReddot.jpg

I've got a red, a green, and a blue/violet now. Fearless Hunter loses interest in any one color after more than a half-dozen bloodless catches, but OMG LOOK AT THE GREEN THING! OMG NOW LOOK AT THE BLUE THING!

38 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:18:09pm

re: #32 lawhawk

They're punishing the liberal states for reelecting Obama.

39 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:18:33pm

re: #35 Gus

And the heart of drought disaster declarations too.

Forget about the periodic rearrangement of towns or communities. Droughts stick around. And the current one is one heck of a mess for Kansas farmers and the local economy. Disaster declarations and aid relief forthcoming. No problem. Sandy strikes? Kansas votes against it.

40 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:22:50pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

They're punishing the liberal states for reelecting Obama.

Pretty much. And then the spiteful fuckers have teh nerve to claim that they stand for family values. A party of family values doesn't have a good chunk of its membership vote against relief for victims of a disaster.

41 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:23:17pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Thing about it is that the GOP has gerrymandered the country so effectively that they'd actually cement their reelections by driving the country into a depression in order to pressure Obama into killing Medicare.

Disagree (mostly). They face the O'Donnell Angle. That is, their gerrymandering has put many of them in a painful fork: win their primary, or win their election. Yes, for a while they can do both. But in most of the gerrymander locations they're facing primaries from the right, for which the only winning answer is to be "nuttier than thou". As already seen the internet never forgets, nor do the moderate republicans. Push it too far and they either stay home (which happened a lot this past election) or vote the other way.

It isn't going to be soon, but most of them will be destroyed by their success.

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:24:33pm

re: #17 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this is why, in my darker fantasies, the admin would take the red states seriously when they vote against shit like this. And by take them seriously I mean deny federal disaster assistance when they get hit, after all they sent people to congress who don't believe in those things.

Now the "good" side of me says we should help no matter what, this is America for fuck's sake. The darker side of me says screw 'em, let 'em drown, drink cruddy water, get disease and decrease the surplus population.

Desire to see poetic justice. But you also have to realize that those who will get the short end of the relief stick when said disaster hits is not going to be these politicians, or their wealthy backers.

43 Lidane  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:25:39pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

They're punishing the liberal states for reelecting Obama.

Yep. Because we all know that everyone in a blue state is a Democrat and/or liberal.

Buncha spiteful motherfuckers. And it kills me that they try to present themselves as the party of God, America, and apple pie, and of virtue.

44 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:25:43pm

re: #41 kirkspencer

Disagree (mostly). They face the O'Donnell Angle. That is, their gerrymandering has put many of them in a painful fork: win their primary, or win their election. Yes, for a while they can do both. But in most of the gerrymander locations they're facing primaries from the right, for which the only winning answer is to be "nuttier than thou". As already seen the internet never forgets, nor do the moderate republicans. Push it too far and they either stay home (which happened a lot this past election) or vote the other way.

It isn't going to be soon, but most of them will be destroyed by their success.

True, but in the mean time, the crazies in the party are demanding that they "stare down" Obama, with the truly nutty fuckers suggesting that the GOP just let the country slam into the debt limit in order to force the sort of cuts they think need to happen. "We take in enough taxes to cover our debts, we'll just have to figure out what we can pay for with what's left over!"

45 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:26:30pm

Everyday we think we've witnessed peak wingnut. Someone on the right says you ain't seen nothing yet.

46 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:29:09pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

True, but in the mean time, the crazies in the party are demanding that they "stare down" Obama, with the truly nutty fuckers suggesting that the GOP just let the country slam into the debt limit in order to force the sort of cuts they think need to happen. "We take in enough taxes to cover our debts, we'll just have to figure out what we can pay for with what's left over!"

And true as well.

fwiw, I'm in agreement with the recent proposal (forgot where) to start pointing to this framing. The GOP is acting like the people on a part-time salary who want to save on their bills by refusing to pay the mortgage instead of working more hours.

47 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:31:15pm

250 year old Swiss bank to close after admitting it helped wealthy American commit tax evasion

Wegelin & Co, the oldest Swiss private bank, said on Thursday it would shut its doors permanently after more than 2 1/2 centuries, following its guilty plea to charges of helping wealthy Americans evade taxes through secret accounts.

The plea, in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, marks the death knell for one of Switzerland's most storied banks, whose original European clients pre-date the American Revolution. It is also potentially a major turning point in a battle by U.S. authorities against Swiss bank secrecy.

A major question was left hanging by the plea: Has the bank turned over, or does it plan to disclose, names of American clients to U.S. authorities? That is a key demand in a broad U.S. investigation of tax evasion through Swiss banks.

"It is unclear whether the bank was required to turn over American client names who held secret Swiss bank accounts," said Jeffrey Neiman, a former federal prosecutor involved in other Swiss bank investigations who is now in private law practice in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

48 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:31:31pm

I blame Congress for doing what they have done for years.. They can't resist pork on a unrelated issues of relief. How many Billions of dollars in the Relief bill would send Billions of dollars to Alaska for fisheries, The gulf coast and California and lets not forget millions for planting trees or some such nonsense in Ohio. Clean the bill up for only relieve to those effected by Sandy. I don't think Congress can do that.

49 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:33:47pm

re: #48 A Man for all Seasons

I blame Congress for doing what they have done for years.. They can't resist pork on a unrelated issues of relief. How many Billions of dollars in the Relief bill would send Billions of dollars to Alaska for fisheries, The gulf coast and California and lets not forget millions for planting trees or some such nonsense in Ohio. Clean the bill up for only relieve to those effected by Sandy. I don't think Congress can do that.

Problem is to me, there's a culture of "pork for me is good" but "pork for you and yours is terrible terrible." Ron Paul was a huge pork hoarder during his time in Congress. I don't blame him for fighting for his constiuents but I do sure as hell blame him for doing while acting like other more important issues were just "waste" and not to mention his arrogant act of acting like he's the only principled person in Congress.

50 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:35:02pm

re: #48 A Man for all Seasons

It's baffling how that is allowed, but then you realize, it's Congress. Any Bill can have anything attached to it no matter how unrelated the two are.

It's pretty much legalized bribery. Let my amendment into the bill to funnel money to my district or you don't get my vote.

51 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:35:54pm
Have You Ever Wondered What Compells Your Conservative Relatives to Vote the Way They Do?

It's not really a good article. It's basically just psychobabble MBF.

If you ask most 'Conservatives' questions about their beliefs of fairness, etc., you're not going to find that they're very different from anyone else. Yes, there will be some small differences, but by and large Conservatives are voting against their best interests and their own beliefs. And they do so because they are deliberately confused by hate.

52 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:35:55pm

Rep. King: Issa is 1,000 percent wrong; "no pork in the bill"

Rep. Peter King (R-NY) tells Starting Point that although he disagreed with Speaker John Boehner for not holding the vote on Hurricane Sandy relief Tuesday night, they are getting results. Later in the interview, he criticizes and disagrees with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) for saying that there is pork in the bill.

Rep. King says, “With all due respect, Darrell Issa is 1,000 percent wrong. There is absolutely no pork in the bill. There were some items that were added in the Senate, involving Alaska for one, which is about less than one percent of the bill…. Every one of those items was removed from the House bill. And I wish Darrell Issa had learned that and looked into that before he went public and said that my constituents should not get their homes rebuilt….”

53 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:36:11pm

re: #47 Kragar

250 year old Swiss bank to close after admitting it helped wealthy American commit tax evasion

If you are rich and powerful enough, it isn't a crime.

Well, it used to be that way anyway and if the Republican Mullahs have it there way, it will be again.

54 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:37:02pm

re: #52 jaunte

Rep. King: Issa is 1,000 percent wrong; "no pork in the bill"

Issa's just mad that the money's not going to his district.

55 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:37:37pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Issa's just mad that the money's not going to his district.

He probably needs another road built near a business he owns.

56 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:38:32pm

re: #51 Renaissance_Man

It's not really a good article. It's basically just psychobabble MBF.

If you ask most 'Conservatives' questions about their beliefs of fairness, etc., you're not going to find that they're very different from anyone else. Yes, there will be some small differences, but by and large Conservatives are voting against their best interests and their own beliefs. And they do so because they are deliberately confused by hate.

I think the problem is many conservative voters genuinely believe that the Republican party champions individual rights and small government. They don't. They're just as and I'd argue more guilty of supporting measures that impede individual rights and liberties and are okay with expanding the government if it suits their agenda.

57 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:38:52pm

re: #55 Ghost of Tom Joad

He probably needs another road built near a business he owns.

Probably. Issa's a fucking piece of work.

58 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:38:55pm

re: #48 A Man for all Seasons

You've identified about $400 million out of the $60b Sandy aid. It wasn't billions as you intimate.

Of that, $150m is for fisheries assistance, including cleaning up damage done by the Japanese tsunami (a natural disaster of epic proportions and scope/size).

The rest includes repairing damage to the Smithsonian due to the DC quake last year, and other items that are unrelated to Sandy. Some of that is truly worthwhile undertakings, and those items should have been addressed separately but weren't.

And for what it's worth, those items were pulled from the version that the House could have voted on - but Boehner chose not to.

This wasn't some pork laden package as the GOP and right wing intimate. It was actually a prudent and pared down bill.

It included re-funding the NFIP, which not only helps current #Sandy victims, but future flood victims.

59 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:39:08pm

Petition seeks Joe Biden reality show

A day after Vice President Joe Biden "killed it" on C-SPAN2, a new White House petition asks the Obama administration to approve the filming of a regular C-SPAN show starring the veep.

"Vice President Joe Biden has a demonstrated ability to bring people together, whether at the negotiating table or at the neighborhood diner," writes the creator "Nathan B." of Washington, D.C. "We, therefore, urge the Obama Administration to authorize the production of a recurring C-SPAN television program featuring the daily activities and interactions of the Vice President with elected officials, foreign dignitaries and everyday American families.

"Such a program would educate the American public about the duties and responsibilities of their Vice President, while providing a glimpse of the lighthearted side of politics even in the midst of contentious and divisive national debates."

60 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:39:27pm

re: #51 Renaissance_Man

It's not really a good article. It's basically just psychobabble MBF.

If you ask most 'Conservatives' questions about their beliefs of fairness, etc., you're not going to find that they're very different from anyone else. Yes, there will be some small differences, but by and large Conservatives are voting against their best interests and their own beliefs. And they do so because they are deliberately confused by hate.

I thought the author did a good job of explaining the Right's eternal fear of someone getting something they did not earn or otherwise do not deserve. You know, like all those welfare queens and their big screen TV's . . . .

61 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:39:27pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Probably. Issa's a fucking piece of work.

You misspelled shit.

62 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:39:55pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Probably. Issa's a fucking piece of work shit.

63 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:40:02pm

re: #61 Kragar

You misspelled shit.

Well I do have some dyslexic tendencies.

64 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:40:05pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

I think the problem is many conservative voters genuinely believe that the Republican party champions individual rights and small government. They don't. They're just as and I'd argue more guilty of supporting measures that impede individual rights and liberties and are okay with expanding the government if it suits their agenda.

They want big government and they want total control of it.

65 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:40:19pm

re: #64 FemNaziBitch

They want big government and they want total control of it.

Precisely.

66 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:40:39pm

re: #58 lawhawk

Thanks Lawhawk.. I knew you would bring real numbers to this discussion.

67 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:40:57pm

re: #59 Kragar

Petition seeks Joe Biden reality show

That would actually be really cool. I'd watch.

68 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:41:33pm

States Rights is code for "We don't control the Federal government right now."

69 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:43:00pm

re: #68 Kragar

States Rights is code for "We don't control the Federal government right now."

Pretty much. Look at the antebellum South and its instance on the Fugitive Slave Act as a good exhibit A.

70 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:44:31pm

re: #68 Kragar

States Rights is code for "We don't control the Federal government right now."

Sounds like a good bumper sticker!

71 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:45:49pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Pretty much. Look at the antebellum South and its instance on the Fugitive Slave Act as a good exhibit A.

"We support a state's right to ignore another state's rights in pursuit of fugitive slaves."

72 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:46:09pm

I always like reminding the CSA apologists that the state rights they claim that the CSA was fighting for, the big one among them was slavery. So, yeah, states rights is true, they were fighting for a state's right for human beings to own other human beings as property. You don't get to lecture me on freedom and liberty when you defend a society that permitted that.

73 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:47:46pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I always like reminding the CSA apologists that the state rights they claim that the CSA was fighting for, the big one among them was slavery. So, yeah, states rights is true, they were fighting for a state's right for human beings to own other human beings as property. You don't get to lecture me on freedom and liberty when you defend a society that permitted that.

The state's rights argument is horseshit because they were actively fighting against the rights of state's they disagreed with.

74 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:48:00pm

And ditto that with Civil Rights. It's not freedom and liberty to deny equal access to schools, restaurants, etc because of race and it's definitely not tyrannical for the federal government to stop that especially considering that the subject of said discrimination laws weren't even allowed to vote.

75 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:48:30pm

re: #73 Kragar

The state's rights argument is horseshit because they were actively fighting against the rights of state's they disagreed with.

It's an excuse. Fucking Lost Causers trying to romanticize a most disgusting cause.

76 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:49:28pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

It's an excuse. Fucking Lost Causers trying to romanticize a most disgusting cause.

Yes, the Civil War was about Chivalry!

*spit*

77 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:49:38pm

Big night tonight. It's the Cotton bowl and a huge party out in the Oklahoma country. Go OU! I heard they are BBQ'ing a whole Deer tonight. I don't eat that stuff so Winston is going to be excited to eat when I get home. I'll eat the Tater salad and veggies tonight.

78 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:50:20pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

I'm sure there's others out there, but that was the first I could find (the link off his own House website dead-ends - go figure).

79 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:50:25pm

Barney Frank wants Kerry's former seat.

or did we already talk about this?

80 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:52:03pm

Coming soon to a school near you: Bulletproof clothing for kids.

81 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:52:28pm

Connecticut Cop Halts Gun Shows After Newtown

Michael Gugliotti, chief of police in Waterbury, Conn., decided to stop issuing gun show permits on the day after the nearby Newtown massacre.

“I was just sitting home, really just thinking about what I need to do as a police chief during this type of crisis to ensure that our citizens are feeling safe and comfortable,” Gugliotti told TPM on Friday.

It happened that the day before, one of his aides had a scheduled meeting with a representative of Westchester Collectors Inc., which wanted to hold a firearm and knife show in Waterbury on Jan. 12 and 13. (According to The American-Republican newspaper, the company planned to hold the show at the convention center of the CoCo Key Water Resort Hotel on East Main Street.) Waterbury, a city of 110,000, is about 20 miles northeast of Newtown.

“Out of respect and honor for those 26 folks that lost their life in Newtown, I made the decision then and there to send the promoter a message that I would not be signing any permit for any gun show until further notice,” Gugliotti said.

82 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:53:06pm

re: #80 dragonfire1981

Coming soon to a school near you: Bulletproof clothing for kids.

Sometimes you just want to grab people and shake the bejesus out of them.

Get in line. I'm first.

83 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:53:12pm

[Link: www.costa.house.gov...]

84 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:53:14pm

re: #79 FemNaziBitch

Barney Frank wants Kerry's former seat.

or did we already talk about this?

First I'm hearing of it.

85 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:53:42pm

Yeah Issa's a fucking hypocrite, imagine that.

86 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:54:17pm

re: #47 Kragar

250 year old Swiss bank to close after admitting it helped wealthy American commit tax evasion

Oh no, Gringotts is closing?

87 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:54:28pm

In case anyone has been wondering, this is not my broom. I don't drink.

88 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:54:30pm

re: #77 A Man for all Seasons

Big night tonight. It's the Cotton bowl and a huge party out in the Oklahoma country. Go OU! I heard they are BBQ'ing a whole Deer tonight. I don't eat that stuff so Winston is going to be excited to eat when I get home. I'll eat the Tater salad and veggies tonight.

Oh man, it's too bad that you don't like venison meat. I'd eat it more often if I could.

89 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:54:56pm

from hot air

* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

Let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:

* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

90 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:55:20pm

re: #81 Kragar

Some people are also burning video games.

91 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:56:01pm

re: #90 FemNaziBitch

Some people are also burning video games.

Heard about that, sigh. THat's just as fucked up as book burning in my book.

92 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:56:24pm

re: #89 engineer cat

from hot air

Let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:

I'm not a country. Neither are you.

93 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:56:42pm

re: #86 Eventual Carrion

Oh no, Gringotts is closing?

Wonder how much back taxes the IRS will be collecting. The article goes on to say that there were previous cases with other banks in which something like 4500 names had to be disclosed to the court.

Once again, the GOP is not vocal about the rich who don't pay their fair share.

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:56:47pm

re: #90 FemNaziBitch

Some people are also burning video games.

[Link: xkcd.com...]

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:57:40pm

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

Wonder how much back taxes the IRS will be collecting. The article goes on to say that there were previous cases with other banks in which something like 4500 names had to be disclosed to the court.

Once again, the GOP is not vocal about the rich who don't pay their fair share.

Just Fischer going on about how rich Americans are now off-shoring their wealth. How patriotic of them.

96 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:57:44pm

re: #89 engineer cat

from hot air

* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

Let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:

* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

Wow, that really puts in perspective! I mean obviously Government budgeting is far more complex than family income but that's a great way to present the information in a way that most all of us can relate to.

Also it illustrates how totally out of whack our nations finances are.

98 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:58:01pm

re: #86 Eventual Carrion


Well, they no longer have the dragon protection, and the security proved ineffective after all...

99 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:58:52pm

re: #92 erik_t

I'm not a country. Neither are you.

i agree. the country is not a business, either

not to mention, republicans have never gotten serious about their precious budget cutting aside from proposals to eliminate the modern state and return to the 19th century

but eliminating the 8 zeros does help me to wrap my feeble mind around the budget arithmetic

100 Mattand  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:59:40pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Heard about that, sigh. THat's just as fucked up as book burning in my book.

Some LGF readers are trying to make the case that it isn't. That's kind of bothersome in that it's basically the same concept.

As I stated earlier: burning (fill in the blank) is protected free speech, but in this case, something more productive and civilized would be contacting elected officials about gun laws.

Free speech doesn't always translate into rational speech, unfortunately.

101 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:59:58pm

re: #96 dragonfire1981

If you transpose what they the outstanding credit card balance into a different term - let's say - mortgage, those numbers take on a slightly different connotation. Yes, there's budget problems, but a good part of that debt is due to housekeeping - the actual nuts and bolts of maintaining the nation, whether it's national defense and costs associated, or infrastructure, etc.

Not exactly frivolous costs that can be pared down.

102 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:00:45pm

re: #89 engineer cat

Also, asking for a raise makes you a socialist traitor.

103 aagcobb  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:01:27pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Have to admit though, I'm getting tired of the "Help me government when my district or state needs help" but "Fuck you if you live anywhere else." We're all in this together ultimately. And despite their excuses. This isn't about the debt. It's not about the debt at all.

Of course it isn't. Just as Newt said, it is right-wing social engineering; they want to take the country back to at least 1928.

104 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:02:22pm

re: #100 Mattand

Some LGF readers are trying to make the case that it isn't. That's kind of bothersome in that it's basically the same concept.

As I stated earlier: burning (fill in the blank) is protected free speech, but in this case, something more productive and civilized would be contacting elected officials about gun laws.

Free speech doesn't always translate into rational speech, unfortunately.

Absolutely. And yeah it is free speech and yet I always cringe a bit seeing or hearing about a mass burning of something.

105 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:02:33pm

re: #102 The Mountain That Blogs

Also, asking for a raise makes you a socialist traitor.

And here I thought it just made you a communist prick.

106 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:04:54pm

re: #102 The Mountain That Blogs

Also, asking for a raise makes you a socialist traitor.

according to alan greenspan and his buddies, employees asking for more gruel money please is called "wage pressures"

it's a bad thing, yanno

107 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:05:16pm

Christ, why do people always have to burn things? Maybe Fredric Wertham should have looked into that.

108 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:05:50pm

re: #107 dragonath

Christ, why do people always have to burn things? Maybe Fredric Wertham should have looked into that.

i wanna go back to black rock city

109 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:06:20pm

re: #101 lawhawk

If you transpose what they the outstanding credit card balance into a different term - let's say - mortgage, those numbers take on a slightly different connotation. Yes, there's budget problems, but a good part of that debt is due to housekeeping - the actual nuts and bolts of maintaining the nation, whether it's national defense and costs associated, or infrastructure, etc.

Not exactly frivolous costs that can be pared down.

It certainly puts into perspective the idea that the national deficit can be magicked away through a year or three of austerity.

Rather like trying to pay off the mortgage on the family ranch by shooting every last head of cattle and selling the meat in a fire sale.

110 leftynyc  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:06:53pm

re: #37 erik_t

I've got a red, a green, and a blue/violet now. Fearless Hunter loses interest in any one color after more than a half-dozen bloodless catches, but OMG LOOK AT THE GREEN THING! OMG NOW LOOK AT THE BLUE THING!

Must know where you got this. Although my boys do good with red, it'll be nice to change things up and make them crazier.

111 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:07:04pm

re: #107 dragonath

Christ, why do people always have to burn things? Maybe Fredric Wertham should have looked into that.

Hmm, would there be some sort of odd quantum head explodey thing if someone started burning guns?

112 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:08:09pm

re: #107 dragonath

Christ, why do people always have to burn things? Maybe Fredric Wertham should have looked into that.

The symbolism behind it. Burn something and you're pretty much erasing it. But yeah I can't imagine ever doing it outside your usual childish escape of burning army men. But a book? video game? or any work of art? No.

113 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:08:11pm

re: #111 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, would there be some sort of odd quantum head explodey thing if someone started burning guns?

Well, it would take a lot more power to get a fire hot enough to burn a gun. I mean, you can burn a book or a video game with a burning book or video game.

114 KingKenrod  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:08:16pm

re: #89 engineer cat

from hot air

* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

Let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:

* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

If a household could borrow 30 year money @ less than 3% and knew future income would grow faster than that, then running up the credit card would be a no brainer as long as you spend the borrowed money on essentials or investments (like infrastructure) with a good rate of return...

115 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:08:31pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

The symbolism behind it. Burn something and you're pretty much erasing it. But yeah I can't imagine ever doing it outside your usual childish escape of burning army men. But a book? video game? or any work of art? No.

marshmallows on a stick!

116 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:09:06pm

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

marshmallows on a stick!

Well aside from practical matters. And now look what you've done. Made me hungry for smores!

117 iossarian  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:09:41pm

re: #114 KingKenrod

It's unfortunate that the hurr durr crowd who liken national finances to a household budget have no hope of grasping the relatively simple truth that you have just laid out.

118 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:09:50pm

re: #114 KingKenrod

If a household could borrow 30 year money @ less than 3% and knew future income would grow faster than that, then running up the credit card would be a no brainer as long as you spend the borrowed money on essentials or investments (like infrastructure) with a good rate of return...

It only works if the house increases in value and greedy people don't use the same money over and over and then make your monthly repayments the basis for the world economy.

119 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:11:20pm

ggrrrrrr

Just realized I've been so busy today that I haven't had any food and now I have a caffeine headache!

Bright side, I only have 6 hours to go at work
Dark side, I've already been here for 7 hours
Bright side, I just ordered food
Dark side, now that I did, I'm really not enthused with what I ordered!!

Other than that, life is peachy!!

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:11:50pm

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

It only works if the house increases in value and greedy people don't use the same money over and over and then make your monthly repayments the basis for the world economy.

And we start down the road that leads from microeconomics to macroeconomics. A much different kettle of fish, and often dependent on irrational factors such as consumer confidence.

121 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:12:29pm

re: #119 sattv4u2

ggrrrrrr

Just realized I've been so busy today that I haven't had any food and now I have a caffeine headache!

Bright side, I only have 6 hours to go at work
Dark side, I've already been here for 7 hours
Bright side, I just ordered food
Dark side, now that I did, I'm really not enthused with what I ordered!!

Other than that, life is peachy!!

We are lucky to have such 1st world problems.

122 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:12:36pm

re: #119 sattv4u2

ggrrrrrr

Just realized I've been so busy today that I haven't had any food and now I have a caffeine headache!

Bright side, I only have 6 hours to go at work
Dark side, I've already been here for 7 hours
Bright side, I just ordered food
Dark side, now that I did, I'm really not enthused with what I ordered!!

Other than that, life is peachy!!

[Link: xkcd.com...]

123 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:12:51pm

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

And we start down the road that leads from microeconomics to macroeconomics. A much different kettle of fish, and often dependent on irrational factors such as consumer confidence.

ahhhh, you are using big words again!

124 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:12:55pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Burning things is so 12th century. I don't consider anything erased from existence unless it's been atomized with a Tesla Energy Beam.

125 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:13:28pm

re: #124 dragonath

Burning things is so 12th century. I don't consider anything erased from existence unless it's been atomized with a Tesla Energy Beam.

Or turned sideways in space?

126 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:13:58pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. And yeah it is free speech and yet I always cringe a bit seeing or hearing about a mass burning of something.

I can't even diagnose whatever those people have. For myself, I see it as a coping mechanism for people who are petrified by reality and need scapegoats to project problems onto. If it makes them feel better and they're not confiscating things, then so be it, as stupid and nonsensical as it is. The biggest problem I see is that these types of symbolic gestures and scapegoats divert attention from actual problems.

127 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:14:14pm

re: #124 dragonath

Burning things is so 12th century. I don't consider anything erased from existence unless it's been atomized with a Tesla Energy Beam.

Well it's the symbolism I guess. I think that's why book burning was so popular in Nazi Germany because they saw the books being burned as somehow "erasing" them and their influence from German society and culture.

128 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:14:25pm

re: #110 leftynyc

Must know where you got this. Although my boys do good with red, it'll be nice to change things up and make them crazier.

Trivial Amazon purchases.

These are near enough to my own models as to be clearly the same Chinese factory, notional product name notwithstanding.

129 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:14:30pm

Okay, so who packs Duct Tape and wire ties when flying from Iceland to NYC!?!?!?!
A passenger aboard an Icelandair flight had to be tied down by fellow passengers after going on a rampage Thursday.

The photo shows a man bound to his chair with plastic ties and tape.

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

130 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:14:42pm

re: #126 Ghost of Tom Joad

I can't even diagnose whatever those people have. For myself, I see it as a coping mechanism for people who are petrified by reality and need scapegoats to project problems onto. If it makes them feel better and they're not confiscating things, then so be it, as stupid and nonsensical as it is. The biggest problem I see is that these types of symbolic gestures and scapegoats divert attention from actual problems.

opiate for the masses?

giving the children some busy work?

soma tablet?

131 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:15:22pm

re: #129 sattv4u2

Okay, so who packs Duct Tape and wire ties when flying from Iceland to NYC!?!?!?!
A passenger aboard an Icelandair flight had to be tied down by fellow passengers after going on a rampage Thursday.

The photo shows a man bound to his chair with plastic ties and tape.

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

every good flight attendent has duct tape!

132 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:15:54pm

re: #129 sattv4u2

Okay, so who packs Duct Tape and wire ties when flying from Iceland to NYC!?!?!?!
A passenger aboard an Icelandair flight had to be tied down by fellow passengers after going on a rampage Thursday.

The photo shows a man bound to his chair with plastic ties and tape.

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

Toothbrush? Check
Passport? Check
Underwear? Check
Duct Tape? Check

133 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:16:14pm

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

every good flight attendent has duct tape!

kinky!!!
/

134 darthstar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:16:19pm

I watched a bunch of that live yesterday...it was quite entertaining.

In other news, I went for a bike ride today...wasn't feeling it at first and was tempted to just do a 12 mile flat loop, but turned left into the hills to see how I did...ended up being a nice 23 mile ride with a 765 foot climb...which I made without stopping...that always feels good.

135 darthstar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:17:04pm

re: #129 sattv4u2

Okay, so who packs Duct Tape and wire ties when flying from Iceland to NYC!?!?!?!

Who doesn't?

136 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:17:55pm

re: #135 darthstar

Who doesn't?

You know what you use if duct tape doesn't work?

137 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:18:06pm
139 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:18:49pm

re: #136 FemNaziBitch

You know what you use if duct tape doesn't work?

chicken wire?

140 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:18:53pm

re: #137 lawhawk

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You're going to be busy. Good research tho.

141 gwangung  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:19:19pm

re: #114 KingKenrod

If a household could borrow 30 year money @ less than 3% and knew future income would grow faster than that, then running up the credit card would be a no brainer as long as you spend the borrowed money on essentials or investments (like infrastructure) with a good rate of return...

This is, in fact, what a lot of rich people did, cashing out the equity in their home and putting it into ventures that paid it back faster than it went out.

142 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:19:25pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Well it's the symbolism I guess. I think that's why book burning was so popular in Nazi Germany because they saw the books being burned as somehow "erasing" them and their influence from German society and culture.

Well, back then it had an actual purpose behind it. Burn the books and the people no longer have any avenue to learn about anything, and therefore are easier to control (the anti-learning thing is big with the fire-breathing religious types because learned people tend to question bullshit). Obviously that tactic would work for shit in today's social-media world.

143 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:19:33pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

Image: 528488_10151289321526731_1251152911_n.jpg

The laborers those guys employed should get some mention too but yeah.

144 Kronocide  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:19:54pm

re: #132 sattv4u2

Toothbrush? Check
Passport? Check
Underwear? Check
Duct Tape? Check

I never roll without;

18lb 4 in wire ties
50lb 7 in wire ties
50lb 14in wire ties
100lb 36 in wire ties
duct tape
gaffer's tape
electrical tape
Velcro roll
single malt
double mushroom velcro

145 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:19:59pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

On the upside, it is goosing my twitter feed. New followers. Wider exposure of the GOP hypocrisy. Not a bad thing. Might tie things together with a blog posting later.

146 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:20:23pm

re: #145 lawhawk

On the upside, it is goosing my twitter feed. New followers. Wider exposure of the GOP hypocrisy. Not a bad thing. Might tie things together with a blog posting later.

Cool deal.

147 Kronocide  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:20:35pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

Image: 528488_10151289321526731_1251152911_n.jpg

WIN

148 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:20:49pm

re: #95 Feline Fearless Leader

Just Fischer going on about how rich Americans are now off-shoring their wealth. How patriotic of them.

because, what choice do they have when things are so unreasonable here? They have to break the law, of course!

*spit*

149 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:21:21pm

re: #139 sattv4u2

chicken wire?

no, try again.

150 dragonath  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:21:30pm

A comic book for Real Americans™

151 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:22:05pm

re: #144 Kronocide

I see what you did there. Of those, there's only two essentials. The Single Malt (I prefer a good gin over Scotch, but that's getting picky) and gaffer's tape - in some ways more versatile than duct tape.

152 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:22:14pm

re: #144 Kronocide

I never roll without;

18lb 4 in wire ties
50lb 7 in wire ties
50lb 14in wire ties
100lb 36 in wire ties
duct tape
gaffer's tape
electrical tape
Velcro roll
single malt
double mushroom velcro

no bobbi pins?

153 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:23:33pm

re: #151 lawhawk

I prefer a good gin over Scotch

Do you pack that already mixed?

/i hope

154 Mattand  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:24:24pm

re: #150 dragonath

A comic book for Real Americans™

And on the 7th day, he KICKED HITLER'S ASS!!!

155 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:24:31pm

re: #144 Kronocide

I never roll without;

18lb 4 in wire ties
50lb 7 in wire ties
50lb 14in wire ties
100lb 36 in wire ties
duct tape
gaffer's tape
electrical tape
Velcro roll
single malt
double mushroom velcro

KINKY!

156 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:24:40pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

Do you pack that already mixed?

/i hope

duct tape around the neck and cap should keep it from leaking.

157 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:24:51pm

re: #144 Kronocide

I never roll without;

18lb 4 in wire ties
50lb 7 in wire ties
50lb 14in wire ties
100lb 36 in wire ties
duct tape
gaffer's tape
electrical tape
Velcro roll
single malt
double mushroom velcro

On a trans Atlantic flight?
/

158 leftynyc  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:25:13pm

re: #128 erik_t

Trivial Amazon purchases.

These are near enough to my own models as to be clearly the same Chinese factory, notional product name notwithstanding.

Just ordered two of them (free shipping!) - thanks a bunch (from me, Butch and Sundance)

159 Mattand  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:25:52pm

re: #132 sattv4u2

Toothbrush? Check
Passport? Check
Underwear? Check
Duct Tape? Check

Apparently, the Gimp's steamer trunk was in the cargo hold.

160 darthstar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:28:22pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

On a trans Atlantic flight?
/

Good point...almost forgot to pack heels.

161 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:30:15pm

re: #160 darthstar

Good point...almost forgot to pack heels.

These?

Really, they'll go with anything and are appropriate for any occasion. AND, will make your legs look really sexy.

162 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:31:48pm

re: #160 darthstar

Good point...almost forgot to pack heels.

I gotta say, that was a good interpretation.

163 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:31:57pm

re: #160 darthstar

Good point...almost forgot to pack heels.

Now I know why you pack the duct tape

Tape down your,, umm,,man parts, huh?

164 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:33:30pm

"You married up, son." LOL.

That was so awesome.

165 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:34:08pm

re: #163 sattv4u2

Now I know why you pack the duct tape

Tape down your,, umm,,man parts, huh?

Nah, probably uses it as a substitute for wax to take the hair off the legs. /yeeoouuch!

166 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:35:02pm

re: #165 Ghost of Tom Joad

Nah, probably uses it as a substitute for wax to take the hair off the legs. /yeeoouuch!

TMI

167 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:36:49pm
The Church of England has dropped its prohibition on gay clergy in civil partnerships becoming bishops.

The announcement, from the Church's House of Bishops, would allow gay clergy to become bishops if they promise to be celibate.

Conservative evangelical Anglicans say they will fight the move in the Church's ruling general synod.

The issue has split the church since 2003 amid a row over gay cleric Jeffrey John becoming Bishop of Reading.

Mr John, now Dean of St Albans, was forced to withdraw from the role shortly after having initially accepted it, following protests from traditionalists.

He was also a candidate for Bishop of Southwark in 2010 but was rejected. Evidence emerged that this was because of his sexual

168 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:37:47pm
Former French film star Brigitte Bardot has threatened to apply for Russian citizenship unless France stops two sick zoo elephants from being put down.

The animals, which suffer from tuberculosis, were due to be killed in December, but were granted a reprieve until after Christmas.

Ms Bardot said she would move abroad if the reprieve was not made permanent.

Fellow actor Gerard Depardieu obtained a Russian passport this week following a tax row with the French government.

Mr Depardieu had earlier threatened to move to Belgium to avoid higher taxes.

After the government criticised his decision, he declared he would give up his French nationality.

169 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:38:54pm

Sandy flood aid passes US Congress

170 darthstar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:39:40pm

re: #163 sattv4u2

Now I know why you pack the duct tape

Tape down your,, umm,,man parts, huh?

Nah...I just use it to cover my quack.

171 darthstar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:42:18pm

re: #169 FemNaziBitch

Sandy flood aid passes US Congress

Paul Ryan voted no. Fucking asshole.

172 Mattand  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:43:45pm

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

As much as I hate seeing animals suffer, I'm not sure moving to a quasi-dictatorship is something I'd consider.

And how exactly do you cure an elephant of TB anyways?

173 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:44:15pm

re: #89 engineer cat

from hot air

* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

Let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:

* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

And again what's not mentioned is the fact that all it takes to increase the family income is to quit giving various debters relief, and start charging more for the provided services. IOW, close the loopholes and raise the taxes.

174 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:44:35pm

re: #171 darthstar

Paul Ryan voted no. Fucking asshole.

Zombie-eyed Staten Island starver.

Funny, that.

175 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:44:50pm

re: #172 Mattand

As much as I hate seeing animals suffer, I'm not sure moving to a quasi-dictatorship is something I'd consider.

And how exactly do you cure an elephant of TB anyways?

I'm not sure you can cure any TB, animal or human, can you?

Perhaps they are suffering with the TB?

176 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:45:02pm

re: #114 KingKenrod

If a household could borrow 30 year money @ less than 3% and knew future income would grow faster than that, then running up the credit card would be a no brainer as long as you spend the borrowed money on essentials or investments (like infrastructure) with a good rate of return...

also - and somebody check my arithmetic - since the normal percentage of the annual federal budget outlay spent on debt service is about 6%, and the united states never seems to pay down the principal, the amount due on the national credit card per year would be $2,292. however, this hypothetical family only has an income of $21,700, and the median family income would be around $55,000 - so, a more realistic estimate of the impact of the debt on our national family budget would be more in the $9,000/yr range, which would make it considerably less than typical mortgage + credit card operating expenses for a family

177 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:47:06pm

re: #176 engineer cat

also - and somebody check my arithmetic - since the normal percentage of the annual federal budget outlay spent on debt service is about 6%, and the united states never seems to pay down the principal, the amount due on the national credit card per year would be $2,292. however, this hypothetical family only has an income of $21,700, and the median family income would be around $55,000 - so, a more realistic estimate of the impact of the debt on our national family budget would be more in the $9,000/yr range, which would make it considerably less than typical mortgage + credit card operating expenses for a family

Actually the US does pay off the principle. See, one of the places the analogy breaks down is that the debt isn't "a" credit card. It's a bunch of credit cards and other loans. We borrow, we pay them off, we borrow more. We do it on a constant cycle - but we pay every single one of them off, on time.

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:48:24pm

re: #177 kirkspencer

Actually the US does pay off the principle. See, one of the places the analogy breaks down is that the debt isn't "a" credit card. It's a bunch of credit cards and other loans. We borrow, we pay them off, we borrow more. We do it on a constant cycle - but we pay every single one of them off, on time.

For governments can do things that would get individuals arrested.

179 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:49:35pm

re: #173 kirkspencer

And again what's not mentioned is the fact that all it takes to increase the family income is to quit giving various debters relief, and start charging more for the provided services. IOW, close the loopholes and raise the taxes.

apparently this is a family that fails to pitch in enough to take care of grandma and pay her medical bills

180 darthstar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:50:21pm

Just saw this on facebook...tone deaf or just being dicks? (sure, they've got 600,000 likes on facebook...big fuckin' deal)

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181 iossarian  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:50:33pm

re: #177 kirkspencer

Actually the US does pay off the principle. See, one of the places the analogy breaks down is that the debt isn't "a" credit card. It's a bunch of credit cards and other loans. We borrow, we pay them off, we borrow more. We do it on a constant cycle - but we pay every single one of them off, on time.

What's funny is that one part of the government/household analogy that does work at the moment is that people are desperate to lend money to the US. Similarly, if you have a good credit score at the moment, you can borrow $10K for free for a year from any number of cc companies.

182 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:50:56pm

re: #177 kirkspencer

Actually the US does pay off the principle. See, one of the places the analogy breaks down is that the debt isn't "a" credit card. It's a bunch of credit cards and other loans. We borrow, we pay them off, we borrow more. We do it on a constant cycle - but we pay every single one of them off, on time.

yeah - but the total amount of the principal has never, as far as i know, gone down, so it's a kind of 'revolving' credit pool i guess

183 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:52:40pm

Well, I'm off to be productive.

Have a good evening all!

184 darthstar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:52:55pm

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185 Kragar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:53:35pm

Fischer: Businesses Threatened by 'Flaming Homosexual' Job Applicants and the 'Return of Jim Crow Laws'

American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer today blew up over the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), warning in a blog post that “ENDA would represent the return of Jim Crow laws.” On his radio program Focal Point, Fischer warned that if ENDA is signed into law businesses will be faced with a barrage of “flaming homosexual” job applicants. “The homosexual lobby,” Fischer said, “will send a guy in there wearing stilettos, a dress and dangly earrings” in order to provoke Christian business-owners “not to hire him.”

186 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:54:07pm

re: #182 engineer cat

yeah - but the total amount of the principal has never, as far as i know, gone down, so it's a kind of 'revolving' credit pool i guess

Yes.

Which is why it's better to compare us to business than to a family, because businesses have this accounting line for long term liabilities. If you don't break them down they look like one loan that goes on forever - the principle. If you get into the full audit you see each loan gets paid off on time.

Of course if you go into that mode you have to start accurately determining assets, and you have to account for the money you left on the table (discounts/tax breaks), and all that sort of thing that makes it look better.

187 darthstar  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:54:12pm

I think I'll follow ggt's lead and get some shit done. See you all in a while.

188 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:56:09pm

I just received this important emaii:

Effective Jan 1, 2013, aspirin will be heavily taxed under Obamacare.
The only explanation given was that
they are white and they work.
No other reason was given, but I thought you'd want to know about it.

conservatives finally recycle something, old racist jokes

189 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:56:48pm

re: #178 Feline Fearless Leader

For governments can do things that would get individuals arrested.

This would not get individuals arrested. Go down to the bank and get a 90 day signature loan. Pay it off, and as it's paid off get another loan. Repeat through the year, and don't forget to get the one that carries into the next year. Do it also for longer term, multi-year loans. (You can, legally. Getting the bank to go along may be tricky, but you can.)

Is it stupid? Usually -- unless the amount that comes in can be leveraged to generate more income than you're paying in interest.

190 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:57:33pm

re: #188 wilburs

The only explanation given was that
they are white and they work.

Foster Friess' birth control?

191 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:59:56pm

re: #186 kirkspencer

Yes.

Which is why it's better to compare us to business than to a family, because businesses have this accounting line for long term liabilities. If you don't break them down they look like one loan that goes on forever - the principle. If you get into the full audit you see each loan gets paid off on time.

Of course if you go into that mode you have to start accurately determining assets, and you have to account for the money you left on the table (discounts/tax breaks), and all that sort of thing that makes it look better.

shhhh!

wingnuts are not allowed to know that large successful corporations often maintain large amounts of debt

192 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:01:01pm

re: #190 jaunte

And here is Mr Jerry Frame who originated the email chain

[Link: www.manta.com...]

He's a job creator, so I guess its OK

193 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:02:52pm

re: #191 engineer cat

shhhh!

wingnuts are not allowed to know that large successful corporations often maintain large amounts of debt

If you're good at talking, you can make heads asplode. You have to start in business mode, and you basically get the folk to agree that if you can borrow money now at a rate that is less than or equal to the inflation rate it's a good thing. Which it is, mind you. Walk them a little further and get them to agree that borrowing enough to fully restore your plant and capital equipment is really, really smart.

Then point out that the US is borrowing at rates at or just below the interest rate, and ask if they think the US government should be allowed to be as smart as businesses.

194 jaunte  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:05:57pm

re: #192 wilburs

"Employees: 1"

That's not a lot of jobs created in 37 years of trying.

195 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:07:39pm

re: #194 jaunte

"Employees: 1"

Like many other builders, he probably has subs doing the work

Easier bookkeeping. Doesn't have to pay them (and bennies) when there's no work

196 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:08:17pm

re: #195 sattv4u2

Like many other builders, he probably has subs doing the work

Easier bookkeeping. Doesn't have to pay them (and bennies) when there's no work

amendment

SMALL builders

197 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:14:59pm

re: #194 jaunte

"Employees: 1"

That's not a lot of jobs created in 37 years of trying.

It's the thought that counts

Just like Wal Mart employees worrying about the estate tax

198 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:15:15pm

re: #185 Kragar

Fischer: Businesses Threatened by 'Flaming Homosexual' Job Applicants and the 'Return of Jim Crow Laws'

WTF?!

Yeah, Brian........that's EXACTLY like telling a black man or black woman that they can't order lunch or a Coca-Cola at a particular establishment after they've been working all day and their hungry or thirsty, because negro. ///s

EPIC FAIL.

199 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:19:09pm

The day Mr Fisher finally gets busted for cruising some rest stop is going to be mighty sweet

200 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:21:04pm

re: #199 wilburs

No, someone like him is going to be much depraved.

He'll be found with a little girl.

201 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:21:46pm

RIP, Drink Less Coffee Resolution. You had a good run.

202 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:22:11pm

re: #200 ProMayaLiberal

He'll be found with a little girl.

Boy

203 blueraven  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:23:00pm

re: #101 lawhawk

If you transpose what they the outstanding credit card balance into a different term - let's say - mortgage, those numbers take on a slightly different connotation. Yes, there's budget problems, but a good part of that debt is due to housekeeping - the actual nuts and bolts of maintaining the nation, whether it's national defense and costs associated, or infrastructure, etc.

Not exactly frivolous costs that can be pared down.

Also our intake from the recession...loss of revenue has certainly been dramatic. Couple that with the outgoing expense of jobless benefits and other temporary social safety net spending and you could see this getting better as we recover.

204 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:23:03pm

re: #185 Kragar

Fischer: Businesses Threatened by 'Flaming Homosexual' Job Applicants and the 'Return of Jim Crow Laws'

everything that bryan fischer can imagine in his wildest dreams will definitely happen therefore we should blame obama for it and he should resign

205 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:24:01pm

re: #202 The Mountain That Blogs

True.

206 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:28:29pm

re: #201 erik_t

RIP, Drink Less Coffee Resolution. You had a good run.

4 days?

207 erik_t  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:30:18pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

4 days?

A new rrrrecord!

[vibrates at desk]

208 wilburs  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:36:59pm

MSNBC now discussing the all important Zero Dark Thirty non issue

No word on the VAWA

209 stabby  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:58:04am

re: #138 wrenchwench

You didn't build that!

210 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 8:38:41am

re: #209 stabby

You didn't build that!

That's right, I stole it off of Facebook.


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