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Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Billionaires

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A screenshot of the archived U.S. Tea Party site, as it appeared online on Sept. 13, 2002

A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene.

Far from a genuine grassroots uprising, this astroturf effort was curated by wealthy industrialists years in advance. Many of the anti-science operatives who defended cigarettes are currently deploying their tobacco-inspired playbook internationally to evade accountability for the fossil fuel industry’s role in driving climate disruption.

The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, traces the roots of the Tea Party’s anti-tax movement back to the early 1980s when tobacco companies began to invest in third party groups to fight excise taxes on cigarettes, as well as health studies finding a link between cancer and secondhand cigarette smoke.

Published in the peer-reviewed academic journal, Tobacco Control, the study titled, ‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party, is not just an historical account of activities in a bygone era. As senior author, Stanton Glantz, a University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) professor of medicine, writes:

“Nonprofit organizations associated with the Tea Party have longstanding ties to tobacco companies, and continue to advocate on behalf of the tobacco industry’s anti-tax, anti-regulation agenda.”

The two main organizations identified in the UCSF Quarterback study are Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks. Both groups are now “supporting the tobacco companies’ political agenda by mobilizing local Tea Party opposition to tobacco taxes and smoke-free laws.” Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity were once a single organization called Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE). CSE was founded in 1984 by the infamous Koch Brothers, David and Charles Koch, and received over $5.3 million from tobacco companies, mainly Philip Morris, between 1991 and 2004.

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98 comments

1 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 11:56:01am

Taxes are too high and tax code too complicated. Who would think that? Probably people who make a lot of money. And they want us peasants to grab some pitchforks on their behalf.

And can we stop with how the tax code is so, so very complicated? I fill out a tax return every year that technically is one full piece of paper with lines on both sides, but I only put numbers in about 10 of those lines. I realize there’s more to it for business owners. But for most Americans the tax code is pretty simple.

2 Mongo only pawn... in game of life.  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:21:21pm

Tea Party to America; “Here! Quick! Cut your throat!”

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:39:34pm

Repeat from a previous thread: the central image of the Tea Party is that of armed uprising against a tyrant.

Unless they have a “tyrant” to rail against, the whole thing is as stupid as it is pointless.

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:41:06pm

Grassroots my ass.

5 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:41:38pm

…but now it turns out that these fine wealthy gentlemen find that they have gotten up with fleas and they want to get rid of them, so carl rove is volunteering to fumigate them

tsk, tsk, tsk

6 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:42:15pm

re: #3 Sol Berdinowitz

Repeat from a previous thread: the central image of the Tea Party is that of armed uprising against a tyrant.

Unless they have a “tyrant” to rail against, the whole thing is as stupid as it is pointless.

Which is why such a “party” went nowhere during the Bush Years, because they don’t see themselves as tyrants.

7 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:42:36pm

So one astroturf group, Citizens for a Sound Economy, gets split into two, AFP and FW. No one plays a craftier shell game than wingnuts with money.

8 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:43:22pm
9 Robur  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:46:24pm

Big Tobacco and Billionaires Huh!? Hell I thought all along that they grew out from under some elephant poop as a result of some slimy little microbes that the pachyderm shat on and then they evolved (smirk) until they gained the powers of speech but not thought….It’s time to stomp the Tea into mud…they picked the perfect symbol a Snake!

10 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:46:58pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

Which is why such a “party” went nowhere during the Bush Years, because they don’t see themselves as tyrants.

any why the party took off like wildfire under obama, since for them black is the perfect color for a projection screen for all their pent-up rage and discontent with everything that a government chosen freely and fairly by the American electorate has “imposed” on them.

11 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:50:43pm

“b-b-but i personally created the tea party in my underwear trailer home when i sientiffically discovered that black people r takin my munny!!!”

12 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:51:04pm

re: #2 nines09

Tea Party to America; “Here! Quick! Cut your throat!”

“No, mate! What sort of fool would waste his valuable leisure time voluntarily going off on annoying little quests set by stupid and ungrateful people, eh? ” [Cut-Me-Own-Throat-Dibbler]

13 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:51:19pm

Suckers.

14 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:53:08pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

Which is why such a “party” went nowhere during the Bush Years, because they don’t see themselves as tyrants.

tea party slogan, clinton years: “i love my country but fear my government”

tea party slogan, bush years: “don’t you think criticizing the president during time of war is unpatriotic? why do you hate america?”

tea party slogan, obama years: “i love my country but fear my government”

15 efuseakay  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:55:52pm

Wait. You mean people actually had no idea big tobacco and the Koch brothers were not involved?

*scratches head*

16 Tars Tarkas  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:55:59pm

re: #3 Sol Berdinowitz

Repeat from a previous thread: the central image of the Tea Party is that of armed uprising against a tyrant.

Unless they have a “tyrant” to rail against, the whole thing is as stupid as it is pointless.

Sadly the new central image is some Revolutionary War Cosplayer slamming down the gas on a car driving off a cliff

17 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:56:39pm

re: #14 engineer cat

tea party slogan, clinton years: “i love my country but fear my government”

tea party slogan, bush years: “don’t you think criticizing the president during time of war is unpatriotic? why do you hate america?”

tea party slogan, obama years: “i love my country but fear my government”

Here is some typical Tea Party Obama derangement:




18 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:57:58pm
19 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:59:23pm

re: #18 Lidane

Related:

20 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:00:05pm

Some people are so stupid and gullible. Fucking morans.

21 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:01:36pm
UNPRESEDENTED! Obama Has Chosen HIMSELF as Chairman of UN(UNCONSTITUTIONAL!)
#TGDN
#TCOT
inchsurvival.com/site/2013/01/u…
— Stuart Smith (@ForeverReagan)

No idea what this is supposed to mean.

22 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:01:55pm
23 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:03:16pm

re: #21 Bulworth

No idea what this is supposed to mean.

It means the man’s an untreated paranoid schizophrenic. His next tweet will probably be something about how Obama is a dog-headed alien from Uranus.

24 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:03:56pm
25 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:04:27pm

re: #21 Bulworth

No idea what this is supposed to mean.

Let me translate that into non-wingnut English for you.

‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gire and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves;
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Makes more sense now, doesn’t it.

26 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:04:46pm

re: #23 Romantic Heretic

It means the man’s an untreated paranoid schizophrenic. His next tweet will probably be something about how Obama is a dog-headed alien from Uranus.

They all see Obama as TEH DESTROYER OF TEH HOLY CONSTITUTION!1! It’s a mass psychosis.

27 erik_t  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:04:48pm
@ForeverReagan UNPRESEDENTED! Obama Has Chosen HIMSELF as Chairman of UN(UNCONSTITUTIONAL!) #TGDN #TCOT http://inchsurvival.com/site/2013/01/unpresedented-obama-has-chosen-himself-as-chairman-of-ununconstitutional/ …

The US Constitution governs the functioning of… the United Nations?

Huh. Learn something new every day.

28 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:05:10pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

Someone, fetch me my pearls.

29 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:05:54pm

DESTROYER OF TEH CONSTITUTION AND A MARXIST KENYAN SOCIALIST COMMUNIST WITHOUT PAPERS!1!


30 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:05:55pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

Don’t forget your clutch. /

31 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:05:56pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

The opposite of what he says is true. Sticking it to the rich will work.

32 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:06:35pm

re: #31 Amory Blaine

The opposite of what he says is true. Sticking it to the rich will work.

But The Rich don’t want you to know that!

33 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:06:42pm

re: #25 Dr Lizardo

Yes, actually it does.

34 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:07:03pm

OMG OMG OMG OMG

35 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:07:03pm

From the ‘Patriot Guest Book’ linked in the link at the top:

Troy Clopton (Magnolia, Kentucky)

I found it amusing, but we need to do something real. If we wait much longer we will be a socialist state.

2002-09-24 Party Goer #59

Eleven years later, we still aren’t a socialist state, even with a Marxist president. Damn socialists can’t do anything right.

36 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:07:41pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Even if he cut them in half we’d still have enough to obliterate the fucking planet. WTF.

37 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:08:10pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Why must U have a background check to buy a gun-But can hide your background & run America?

The simple answer: You’re an idiot.

38 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:08:12pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

So now they don’t want to cut government spending and waste? Very confused.

39 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:09:07pm

TEH STUPID, IT BURNZ!

40 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:09:08pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

OMG OMG OMG OMG

How can we blow up the world several times over if we don’t pour billions of dollars into weapons that just sit in silos doing nothing?

41 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:09:41pm

re: #33 Bulworth

Yes, actually it does.

A good working knowledge of Jabberwocky helps in understanding Wingnutese.

42 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:10:35pm

The Nuge says he’s all ready for the SOTU.

Image: ted-nugent1.jpg

43 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:10:49pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

OMG OMG OMG OMG

Good news!
We can still blow the shit outta the planet several times over!

44 erik_t  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:11:01pm

I ask, again, of no one in particular:

Don’t these people, like, have jobs? What do they do all day? Read WingNut Daily and piss themselves in fear?

45 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:11:32pm

re: #42 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Nuge says he’s all ready for the SOTU.

Image: ted-nugent1.jpg

I shudder to think what he’ll consider “formal” for such an occasion.

46 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:11:54pm

Stating the Obvious, part Derp:

47 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:12:22pm

re: #44 erik_t

I ask, again, of no one in particular:

Don’t these people, like, have jobs? What do they do all day? Read WingNut Daily and piss themselves in fear?

You apparently weren’t paying attention during the Tea Party rallies in ‘09 and ‘10, when Rascal scooters outnumbered people on foot.

48 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:12:35pm

re: #46 Lidane

So the anti-abortion laws will never work then. Sigh. /

49 erik_t  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:12:56pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

I shudder to think what he’ll consider “formal” for such an occasion.

Pants shat with the remnants of fine truffles.

50 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:13:16pm

The last paragraph in the link at the top:

Finally, this report might serve as a wake-up call to some people in the Tea Party itself, who would find it a little disturbing that the “grassroots” movement they are so emotionally attached to, is in fact a pawn created by billionaires and large corporations with little interest in fighting for the rights of the common person, but instead using the common person to fight for their own unfettered profits.

I doubt there is a wake-up call loud enough to disturb the mental slumber of the average Teapartier. The want to believe in the thing they fell for.

It would be nice if a few woke up, though.

51 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:14:10pm

Seems legit:

52 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:14:14pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

OMG OMG OMG OMG

We’ll only have enough firepower to disinfect the entire surface of the Earth twice! How dare the Kenyan usurper do such a thing?!!!111!!

53 dragonfire1981  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:14:59pm

re: #51 Lidane

Seems legit:

Am I crazy or is she holding that gun in a TOTALLY unrealistic manner?

54 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:15:20pm

re: #46 Lidane

Stating the Obvious, part Derp:

You gotta love the double-talk that says that current gun laws aren’t enough, but at the same time they just need to be “properly enforced” to be effective.

And if present laws are ineffective in their eyes, it’s because the NRA has spent years using its influence to gut those laws and slow down the rate of enforcement.

55 erik_t  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:16:09pm

re: #51 Lidane

Seems legit:

My eyes are rolling so hard that conservation of angular momentum lengthened Earth’s day by approximately two minutes.

56 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:16:19pm

re: #51 Lidane

Seems legit:

Yes, they have this ongoing fantasy of gunning down criminal home invaders (or the UPS man, or the neighborhood kid selling magazine subscriptions, or the homeless guy distributing pizza flyers)

57 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:16:59pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

I shudder to think what he’ll consider “formal” for such an occasion.

Secret Service should deny him entry.

58 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:17:49pm
You gotta love the double-talk that says that current gun laws aren’t enough, but at the same time they just need to be “properly enforced” to be effective.

Yeah. So if the laws we already have are “properly enforced” then the criminals will obey them?

59 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:17:53pm

re: #57 Kragar (Antichrist )

Secret Service should deny him entry.

After his comments about how, if Obama was reelected, he’d either be dead or in jail? Yeah, I’d consider that grounds to deny him entry.

60 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:17:54pm

re: #55 erik_t

My eyes are rolling so hard that conservation of angular momentum lengthened Earth’s day by approximately two minutes.

How massive are your eyes?

61 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:18:31pm

Moar typical Tea Party derangement:

62 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:18:39pm

@michellemalkin Criminals never follow law

definitely, all laws are useless becuz criminals never obey them yes i see the lite nao

IF KILLING PEOPLE IS KRIMINALLIZED ONLY KRIMINALLS WILL KILL PEOPLE

63 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:18:49pm

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

Yes, they have this ongoing fantasy of gunning down criminal home invaders (or the UPS man, or the neighborhood kid selling magazine subscriptions, or the homeless guy distributing pizza flyers)

or the round punching thru the wall into the next apartment or the rounds you miss taking out the neighbors.

An assault rifle for self defense is like using nerve gas to kill a fly.

64 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:18:56pm

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

Voice of the common man there, I see.

/

65 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:20:16pm

Of course criminals never obey the law…which is why so many guns get sold at flea markets or gun show on a nod and a wink.

66 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:21:01pm

re: #63 Kragar (Antichrist )

or the round punching thru the wall into the next apartment or the rounds you miss taking out the neighbors.

An assault rifle for self defense is like using nerve gas to kill a fly.

RAID!!!

67 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:21:04pm

This video always shows up in my head when I hear words ‘Tea Party.’ It’s summed up my vision of them ever since; a group composed entirely of heartless bastards and bitches.

68 Robur  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:21:50pm

re: #51 Lidane

Quite frankly the mug on this woman would make me drop a gun if I were so inclined to commit a robbery! Funny how most of the people who would commit this or any type of crime are SELDOM Dems, Libs, or Atheists…the right wing produces the lions share of uneducated low life criminals and gun owners.

69 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:22:54pm

re: #68 Robur

Quite frankly the mug on this woman would make me drop a gun if I were so inclined to commit a robbery! Funny how most of the people who would commit this or any type of crime are SELDOM Dems, Libs, or Atheists…the right wing produces the lions share of uneducated low life criminals and gun owners.

You have evidence of this?

70 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:22:58pm

If criminals don’t obey laws, why have laws?
/

71 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:23:21pm

DERP

72 Tigger2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:23:33pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

OMG OMG OMG OMG

Damn that means we can only kill the planet 6 times.

73 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:23:37pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

If criminals don’t obey laws, why have laws?
/

How else would we know they’re criminals?

74 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:24:06pm

DERP DERP

75 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:24:12pm

re: #72 Tigger2

Damn that means we can only kill the planet 6 times.

I think it’s down to 2 or 3.
OUTRAGE!

76 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:24:27pm

And dollars to donuts, we’ll find out in a couple days that the fellow in Delaware got his gun in one of three usual manners: 1) Bought it from a private seller, 2) Bought it online, or 3) Stole it from someone else.

77 dragonfire1981  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:24:51pm

I miss the days when to me the Tea Party was nothing more than a pretty darned good Canadian rock band.

78 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:25:44pm

Face it wingnuts, nuclear weapons are obsolete.

79 Tigger2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:26:07pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

I think G.M. Anderson should have had to get a background check and take an intelligence test before he got to post on twitter.

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:26:32pm

re: #71 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Reminds me of the whole New START business, when they were up in arms that Obama wanted it ratified because “OMG, he’s pushing unilateral disarmament!” Uh, no, the whole “1/3rd stockpile” business is a recommendation as the floor for any new negotiations with the Russians. Considering the glacial speed such negotiations move at these days, whatever treaty is finally agreed upon will likely be signed by his successor and ratified under the administration of their’s.

81 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:27:08pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

Face it wingnuts, nuclear weapons are obsolete.

Pretty tough to nuke a non-centralized terrorist organization. They aren’t terribly afraid of nukes either.

82 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:27:17pm

re: #77 dragonfire1981

I miss the days when to me the Tea Party was nothing more than a pretty darned good Canadian rock band.

Or a Tom Petty video:

83 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:27:17pm

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP

I have it on good authority that solar power leads to skin cancer.

85 Tigger2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:31:18pm

re: #75 Varek Raith

I think it’s down to 2 or 3.
OUTRAGE!

Well dammit if they can throw bullshit then I can to. lol

86 Gus  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:31:32pm

Apparently, it’s a real issue. Which doesn’t mean solar energy is “derpity, derp, derp.”

87 klys  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:31:44pm

re: #1 Bulworth

Taxes are too high and tax code too complicated. Who would think that? Probably people who make a lot of money. And they want us peasants to grab some pitchforks on their behalf.

And can we stop with how the tax code is so, so very complicated? I fill out a tax return every year that technically is one full piece of paper with lines on both sides, but I only put numbers in about 10 of those lines. I realize there’s more to it for business owners. But for most Americans the tax code is pretty simple.

I will agree that for most people, the simple one page form is sufficient.

The tax code is still far, far too complicated. (And this is a separate issue from whether taxes are too high or not.) An example:

I was fortunate to have a scholarship that covered tuition, room, and board. Turns out, the room and board portion are considered taxable income. (No real issues with that.) But figuring out how and where to file that info and what impact it had on my taxes every year was not trivial.

88 Robur  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:34:32pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

Formal would be a real tie instead of a clip on and the flannel shirt would be fresh from Wal-Mart still wrrapped around the cardboard and held in place by plastic clips,the creases would be seen by those with Hi-Def screens I would love to see that human rectum at the SOTU! and you know that he would have to open his stupid mouth and embarass himself and be a hero to the insane! This cretin soiled himself to get out of service and my brother Mike as well as thousands other REAL Americans died and he shytes on the honor of each and every one of them and us.Ted claimed that if Obama won re-election that he would be dead or in prison by this date next year…well Teddy that date is approaching April 12th and please dont disappoint us! nothing would be a better 5 day late birthday present than reading your obit or commit to your end! You Ted like your gunpowderpussies just need to go away,slip off your mortal coils to the delight and respite of us all…

89 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:35:05pm

Consider that the typical nuke in our inventory (2,200 warheads or so), are about 350kt (the W-87 warhead on the MX missile is 350, SLCM and other warheads are smaller, the Trident D-5 is 475kt ). All are considerably larger than the weapons used at either Hiroshima or Nagasaki and can be delivered far more precisely.

So, without further ado, here’s what it would do to your friendly neighborhood if someone dropped the bomb.

It will put some serious harsh in your mellow.

Reducing the number of weapons improves safety and storage, particularly because storage and disposal of the waste products (much of which is highly radioactive and deadly in nature) is already a huge headache and concern (and a cost). Cleaning up Oak Ridge and Hanford are decades-long projects to name two, and the challenges of storing radioactive debris for hundreds and thousands of years is something we still can’t address (and that’s for the lower radiation of nuclear power plants).

90 Robur  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:38:34pm

re: #69 b_sharp

bsharp..yes why don’t you try to be just that! All the proof you need is history and what transpires everyday in this nation! The right wing is insane! The GOP has ceased to be a political entity and is now for certain a psychosis. They live in an opposite world,your inquiry shows just this…

91 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:46:34pm

re: #68 Robur

Quite frankly the mug on this woman would make me drop a gun if I were so inclined to commit a robbery! Funny how most of the people who would commit this or any type of crime are SELDOM Dems, Libs, or Atheists…the right wing produces the lions share of uneducated low life criminals and gun owners.

What the fuck is this bullshit.

92 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:48:16pm

re: #90 Robur

bsharp..yes why don’t you try to be just that! All the proof you need is history and what transpires everyday in this nation! The right wing is insane! The GOP has ceased to be a political entity and is now for certain a psychosis. They live in an opposite world,your inquiry shows just this…

Listen, if you are going to make wild assed comments here, we, the community of intelligent science minded lizards, request you back it up with something more than the thin gruel of your imagination.

93 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 1:54:52pm

re: #89 lawhawk

Consider that the typical nuke in our inventory (2,200 warheads or so), are about 350kt (the W-87 warhead on the MX missile is 350, SLCM and other warheads are smaller, the Trident D-5 is 475kt ). All are considerably larger than the weapons used at either Hiroshima or Nagasaki and can be delivered far more precisely.

So, without further ado, here’s what it would do to your friendly neighborhood if someone dropped the bomb.

It will put some serious harsh in your mellow.

Reducing the number of weapons improves safety and storage, particularly because storage and disposal of the waste products (much of which is highly radioactive and deadly in nature) is already a huge headache and concern (and a cost). Cleaning up Oak Ridge and Hanford are decades-long projects to name two, and the challenges of storing radioactive debris for hundreds and thousands of years is something we still can’t address (and that’s for the lower radiation of nuclear power plants).

Interesting site. I calculate that a one-megaton Minuteman W-59 warhead out cause damage all the way damned near to Prague Ruzyně Airport from Kladno.

Factor in a Tsar Bomba at design specs (100 megatons), and you can pretty much take out a sizable portion of the Czech Republic. One more over Brno would mostly finish the country off.

94 stabby  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 2:01:05pm

Apropos of the article, I’d like to have Charles tell us whose money backs pjmedia, and turned it into a den of GOP/tea party toadies.

95 EPR-radar  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:58:35pm

re: #1 Bulworth

Taxes are too high and tax code too complicated. Who would think that? Probably people who make a lot of money. And they want us peasants to grab some pitchforks on their behalf.

And can we stop with how the tax code is so, so very complicated? I fill out a tax return every year that technically is one full piece of paper with lines on both sides, but I only put numbers in about 10 of those lines. I realize there’s more to it for business owners. But for most Americans the tax code is pretty simple.

What gets me is the endless moaning about how tax brackets and progressive marginal rates are so very complicated. That part is trivial, and can be set forth in a single page or less.

All of the complexity of the tax code is in defining taxable income. There is a lot of legitimate complexity there, but there is also a lot of BS complications that were put specifically into the tax code to let rich people make lots of their income non-taxable.

96 Robur  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 7:16:26am

re: #92 b_sharp

Face/Palm..I Am science minded!…But NOT a lizard! If you want to be a reptile then feel free to indulge yourself…I prefer to be a bi-ped homo sapien! Have a nice reptilian day and find a nice rock to sun on I have work to do as a human….

97 Robur  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 7:17:47am

re: #91 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

What the F%^& is thisS@#$?!…It’s called reality! Come join us will You!?

98 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 7:25:57am

re: #97 Robur

Hate to break it to you, but you come off as a complete goddamn lunatic.


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