Video: Marco Rubio’s Drinking Problem
It’s the dreaded Obama State of the Union Curse. Any politician who gives the GOP response is suddenly tongue-tied and dry-mouthed, and their career dies.
It’s the dreaded Obama State of the Union Curse. Any politician who gives the GOP response is suddenly tongue-tied and dry-mouthed, and their career dies.
4 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:30:41pm |
“I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.”
5 | Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:31:39pm |
That horrible wet gulping sound will be in my dreams!
6 | wrenchwench Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:31:59pm |
People take a drink in the middle of a speech all the time.
But not like that.
7 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:32:40pm |
With prominent Democrats making heroes out of lawbreakers at SOTU, is it any wonder that leftists lionized Chris Dorner?— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) February 13, 2013
10 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:34:06pm |
Dave Matthews Band - Don’t Drink The Water: youtu.be/psIuidkkLjI via @youtube— Invisible Obama (@InvisibleObama) February 13, 2013
11 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:34:15pm |
re: #7 Kragar (Antichrist )
Who are these “Leftists” he speaks of?
14 | engineer cat Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:34:36pm |
valarie jarret says she thinks americans should be committed
i agree but you have to catch them first
17 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:35:19pm |
Those canned Romney talking points are pretty dry by now.
18 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:35:20pm |
Be honest now, how many of you haven’t been hit with a bad case of cottonmouth after a long, hard day of keepin’ women down? #rubiowater— James Morrison (@JamesPMorrison) February 13, 2013
19 | klys Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:35:33pm |
re: #5 Charles Johnson
That horrible wet gulping sound will be in my dreams!
Wait, there’s sound to go with it? Dude, I thought it was crazy just from the visuals!
20 | Mich-again Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:35:43pm |
That’s one small sip for man, one big gulp for mankind.
21 | wrenchwench Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:35:55pm |
@lawrence Any chance for a guest spot on your show? I want to SATURATE the market. #Rubio— @MarcosWaterBottle (@RubiosWtrBottle) February 13, 2013
22 | Interesting Times Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:35:59pm |
#RubioFilms Extremely Dumb and Incredibly Thirsty— Path2Enlightenment (@Path2Enlighten) February 13, 2013
23 | engineer cat Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:36:04pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice
Who are these “Leftists” he speaks of?
those are the cheetos still left in the bag after the trolls wingnuts have dinner
25 | Interesting Times Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:37:04pm |
Zero Dark Thirsty#RubioFilms— Eric Wolfson (@ericwolfson) February 13, 2013
27 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:38:11pm |
re: #7 Kragar (Antichrist )
Asshole Derper acts like an asshole = Dog bites man.
28 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:38:56pm |
To quote Ted Nugent…
I got the droolin’, droolin’,
get all wet, salivate, salivate
I got salivate late, salivate late, salivate late
Got salivate, salivate, salivate, salivate
29 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:39:06pm |
Right about here is where Rubio looks like Billy Bob Thornton from Sling Blade.
30 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:39:29pm |
I think it’s overstating it to say the G.O.P. is being torn apart by a civil war — it’s merely being torn in half.— Stephen Colbert (@StephenAtHome) February 13, 2013
31 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:40:18pm |
Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.): “There’s nothing that the president can propose on climate change that’s going to pass and get to his desk.”
— Sabrina Siddiqui (@SabrinaSiddiqui) February 13, 2013
32 | wrenchwench Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:41:12pm |
33 | wrenchwench Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:42:36pm |
#AguaBuddha— David Waldman (@KagroX) February 13, 2013
34 | Interesting Times Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:43:48pm |
36 | Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:44:41pm |
Jennifer Rubin, hackiest hack of them all: Rubio Responds and Shines.
Fresher! More dynamic! Whitens while it brightens!
37 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:44:56pm |
The night John Boehner just sat there
“Obama backed preschool, jobs, keeping kids alive and helping a 102-year-old vote; GOP not impressed.”
38 | klys Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:45:01pm |
In the irony category, yesterday’s Daily Show was talking about Pope Rubio.
39 | Interesting Times Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:45:14pm |
The slo-mo is amazing - Deadspin XY: Let’s All Watch Marco Rubio’s Panicked Drink Of Water In Extreme Slow Motion deadspin.com/5983866/lets-a…— James Carter (@JECarter4) February 13, 2013
41 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:46:21pm |
re: #36 Charles Johnson
“If the GOP can piggy-back on his personality and adopt his tone, it will be on the comeback trail. And he, tonight, no doubt began his 2016 presidential quest.”
Better bring a canteen.
42 | wrenchwench Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:46:24pm |
re: #36 Charles Johnson
Jennifer Rubin, hackiest hack of them all: Rubio Responds and Shines.
Fresher! More dynamic! Whitens while it brightens!
…
presented by a fresher and more dynamic face
Anybody have a shot of that smile at the end?
43 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:47:35pm |
re: #36 Charles Johnson
Jennifer Rubin, hackiest hack of them all: Rubio Responds and Shines.
Fresher! More dynamic! Whitens while it brightens!
Whatever the Washington Post pays her is wasted money. She’s hopeless.
44 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:47:55pm |
re: #36 Charles Johnson
Jennifer Rubin, hackiest hack of them all: Rubio Responds and Shines.
Fresher! More dynamic! Whitens while it brightens!
Wasn’t so much shine as much as a wet look
45 | Single-handed sailor Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:48:00pm |
re: #36 Charles Johnson
Jennifer Rubin, hackiest hack of them all: Rubio Responds and Shines.
Fresher! More dynamic! Whitens while it brightens!
Wow, did she previously work as a fluffer on a porn set?
46 | Joanne Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:49:11pm |
47 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:49:23pm |
re: #45 Single-handed sailor
Wow, did she previously work as a fluffer on a porn set?
You’re implying she is useful?
48 | wrenchwench Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:49:24pm |
re: #39 Interesting Times
I didn’t want to watch, but that was awesome.
49 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:50:07pm |
re: #37 jaunte
The night John Boehner just sat there
“Obama backed preschool, jobs, keeping kids alive and helping a 102-year-old vote; GOP not impressed.”
50 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:50:37pm |
Everybody forgot about Ted Nugent once that water thing happened.
— David Waldman (@KagroX) February 13, 2013
51 | klys Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:52:23pm |
52 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:52:23pm |
re: #50 jaunte
Yeah, where was Ted tonight? Did they have him restrained and sedated during the speech?
53 | Interesting Times Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:53:10pm |
Disaster. Movie.#GOPresponse twitter.com/InvisibleObama…— Invisible Obama (@InvisibleObama) February 13, 2013
54 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:53:27pm |
re: #52 Targetpractice
I saw a photo of him talking to some reporters outside, after the SOTU.
55 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:55:00pm |
MARCO RUBIO: PINCHE MOJADO— Mexican Mitt Romneez (@MexicanMitt) February 13, 2013
56 | Interesting Times Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:55:49pm |
Ever see me reach for water in one of my videos? Don’t think so. And that was in the fucking desert.— Osama bin Laden (@OsamaInHell) February 13, 2013
57 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:55:49pm |
Amusing how immigration reform got a GOP standing ovation tonight. Last year it was alligator moats, electric fences and self deportation.— justamexican (@justamexican) February 13, 2013
58 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:56:51pm |
So tonight, Obama threw down the gauntlet, Boehner looked like was passing a kidney stone, Rubio looked like he needed an acting coach, and Rand Paul lost his mind on TV.
All in all, I call it in Obama’s favor.
59 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:59:00pm |
LAPD denies reports that body of fugitive ex-cop Dorner found
In a press conference, LAPD spokesman Andy Smith denied multiple reports claiming that the body of fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner was found inside a burned out cabin near California’s Big Bear Mountain. Smith said the smoldering cabin is still “simply too hot” for authorities to investigate the scene and said it could still take several days for authorities to fully investigate the scene and identify Dorner’s body, if it is in fact found on the scene.
“That was a mistake. If someone said it was all-clear two hours ago, that was a mistake,” Smith told reporters, adding that the LAPD planned to hold another press conference Wednesday morning.
61 | klys Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:00:28pm |
62 | ProBosniaLiberal Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:01:30pm |
re: #61 klys
Might need a doctor to look at it then.
63 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:02:03pm |
64 | klys Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:02:13pm |
re: #62 ProBosniaLiberal
Might need a doctor to look at it then.
I’ll see them when I go back for my government-paid birth control renewal before I update my Obamaphone info.
65 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:03:28pm |
Freepers can’t decide whether Rubio’s speech best thing since sliced bread or that they hate him. But they do agree that the media is horrible for snickering at his water drinking flub.
67 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:06:52pm |
And predictably, the Breitbartians have their knickers tightly in a wad that Obama didn’t dwell on Benghazi.
68 | engineer cat Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:09:39pm |
these young republicans of the future like rubio and gilligan jindal take me back to the old days when young republican meant a guy in dorky plastic glasses wearing a tie with a short sleeved shirt
71 | engineer cat Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:13:03pm |
re: #70 Gus
PBO is no JFK.
jfk could read a grocery bill and make it sound like the gettysburgh address
72 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:15:17pm |
Minimum wage:
Calculated in real 2012 dollars, the 1968 minimum wage was the highest at $10.51. The real dollar minimum wage (red squares) falls during periods Congress does not raise the minimum wage to keep up with inflation. The minimum wage increased in three $0.70 increments—to $5.85 in July, 2007, $6.55 in July, 2008, and to $7.25 in July 2009. The 2012 minimum wage is equal to what was paid in 1960.
[Link: oregonstate.edu…]
74 | Gus Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:19:31pm |
What happens is you raise the minimum wage but along with that the price of goods and services and rent goes up along with it. It’s really not that simple. It’s sort of a Catch 22 situation. I realize that liberals want it to seem that simple, but that’s just not the case.
75 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:21:27pm |
re: #65 Targetpractice
Freepers can’t decide whether Rubio’s speech best thing since sliced bread or that they hate him. But they do agree that the media is horrible for snickering at his water drinking flub.
It is, kind of, unfair. Except he looks like he’s raiding eggs from an unguarded ostrich nest while glancing around to make sure Mom doesn’t charge in and kick his ass to sleep.
76 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:21:34pm |
re: #74 Gus
What happens is you raise the minimum wage but along with that the price of goods and services and rent goes up along with it. It’s really not that simple. It’s sort of a Catch 22 situation. I realize that liberals want it to seem that simple, but that’s just not the case.
All I want is an honest week’s pay for an honest day’s work.
77 | Gus Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:22:22pm |
Everytime you raise the cost of running a business you wind up raising the cost of good. It’s adjusted. Democrats want you to believe that you can raise the minimum wage and it won’t have an affect down the line. That’s simply not the case. Your boss won’t sell his house to pay you more. Your boss will simply raise the cost of his goods and services. Which means the people for whom you’ve raised their wages will have to pay more for those same good and services. Net gain? Zero.
78 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:23:04pm |
Minimum Wage in Canada for 2012
[Link: www.wageindicator.org…]
79 | Gus Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:23:06pm |
re: #76 Kragar (Antichrist )
All I want is an honest week’s pay for an honest day’s work.
I want a sound bite.
80 | klys Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:23:33pm |
re: #74 Gus
What happens is you raise the minimum wage but along with that the price of goods and services and rent goes up along with it. It’s really not that simple. It’s sort of a Catch 22 situation. I realize that liberals want it to seem that simple, but that’s just not the case.
The question I would then ask (because I don’t want to put words in your mouth): do you think it’s possible to have a living wage where, if both parents in the family* are working 40 hours a week, the family could have a lifestyle above the federal poverty line?
* This is leaving aside issues of both single-parent families and states where minimum income requirements exceed the poverty line. Hi CA.
ETA: removed an extraneous space that snuck in there.
81 | Gus Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:24:02pm |
re: #78 jaunte
Minimum Wage in Canada for 2012
[Link: www.wageindicator.org…]
Yes. But that’s Canada. We’re in the USA which is effectively a hillbilly nation.
82 | gwangung Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:25:03pm |
re: #74 Gus
What happens is you raise the minimum wage but along with that the price of goods and services and rent goes up along with it. It’s really not that simple. It’s sort of a Catch 22 situation. I realize that liberals want it to seem that simple, but that’s just not the case.
I think this is true, but not to as great as an extent as conventional wisdom has it. There’s been more than one economic study that I recall that shows that the rise in prices is not as fast/high as the rise in wages.
83 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:25:29pm |
re: #81 Gus
Yes. But that’s Canada. We’re in the USA which is effectively a hillbilly nation.
I’m not sure if that’s a technical economic category.
84 | mr.fusion Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:26:02pm |
re: #77 Gus
Everytime you raise the cost of running a business you wind up raising the cost of good. It’s adjusted. Democrats want you to believe that you can raise the minimum wage and it won’t have an affect down the line. That’s simply not the case. Your boss won’t sell his house to pay you more. Your boss will simply raise the cost of his goods and services. Which means the people for whom you’ve raised their wages will have to pay more for those same good and services. Net gain? Zero.
Sorry but you clearly know very little about this.
Something is worth what someone will pay for it - no more, no less. Do you think that I have chosen the price of my goods willy nilly? Of course not, I set prices based on what people are willing to pay for my goods and services. If I think people would pay more for it then I would charge more for it regardless of what I pay my employees
85 | Gus Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:26:09pm |
re: #80 klys
The question I would then ask (because I don’t want to put words in your mouth): do you think it’s possible to have a living wage where, if both parents in the family* are working 40 hours a week, the family could have a lifestyle above the federal poverty line?
* This is leaving aside issues of both single-parent families and states where minimum income requirements exceed the poverty line. Hi CA.
ETA: removed an extraneous space that snuck in there.
I think it’s difficult because Americans are very competitive. We worship murderers like Ray Lewis.
87 | Gus Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:27:49pm |
Anywho. Yeah. They can raise your minimum wage but your life will still suck. They adjust to keep themselves rich. Might as well raise it I suppose.
88 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:29:31pm |
re: #77 Gus
Everytime you raise the cost of running a business you wind up raising the cost of good. It’s adjusted. Democrats want you to believe that you can raise the minimum wage and it won’t have an affect down the line. That’s simply not the case. Your boss won’t sell his house to pay you more. Your boss will simply raise the cost of his goods and services. Which means the people for whom you’ve raised their wages will have to pay more for those same good and services. Net gain? Zero.
The cost of goods is determined by what the market will bear, your analysis like all supply side analysis of the minimum wage, ignores demand and competition. Just because people want to maximize profits doesn’t mean they always can by increasing prices. We’ve gotten so used to the growing disparity between the top and bottom that we construct false narratives about owners having to sell houses, as if they might actually go homeless rather than live on what was historically more than enough.
89 | klys Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:30:18pm |
re: #85 Gus
I think it’s difficult because Americans are very competitive. We worship murderers like Ray Lewis.
With all due respect, I’m not sure what Ray Lewis has to do with anything about economics, and I’m kind of confused.
I’ll agree, Americans are competitive and it would result in an increase drive towards foreign goods unless action is taken in that direction, although the form and consequence of that action hasn’t really been discussed much, I agree. Although the argument of increased buying power also factors into this.
90 | wrenchwench Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:35:40pm |
H2O Brother, Where Art Thou #RubioFilms— Derek Johnson (@derekjjohnson) February 13, 2013
91 | darthstar Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:37:51pm |
That was beautiful! Oh, shit…the water…it’s way the fuck over there…I’ll bet if I’m fast nobody will notice.
92 | jaunte Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:38:53pm |
August 9, 2012
Yesterday, Houston’s striking janitors reached a tentative agreement with six of the seven companies who employ them to clean some of the city’s swankiest offices. The agreement, to be ratified on Saturday, ensures them a 12% raise. It ends more than two months of public demonstrations, strikes, and sometimes-risky civil disobedience.
The janitors’ previous contract, which expired at the end of May, gave them $8.35 an hour. The union, Service Employees International Union Local 1, pointed out that Chicago janitors, some employed by the same contractors, made $15.45 an hour, and sought a raise of $1.65 per hour over three years. The contractors called this unreasonable and countered with an offer of $.50 over five years.
Under the new contract, janitors will receive a raise of one dollar per hour installed over the next four years.
[Link: www.texasobserver.org…]
I think the law firms, banks and oil companies that pay for their services are not going to feel the increase too badly.
…Texas’ anti-union sentiment also has its roots in the very concrete strategy of attracting outside industries to take advantage of cheap labor—a tactic that has worked well in this border state, with Mexico providing us a steady stream of exploitable employees. New York-based companies like ABM, Pritchard and JP Morgan Chase are all contractors of the Houston janitors that, until yesterday, refused to increase the paltry $9,000 a year average wage for janitors.[Link: www.texasobserver.org…]
93 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:44:18pm |
Huckleberry Closetcase decided to vent to the press about his anger over Reid saying he won’t honor any holds put on Hagel’s nomination. He’s now calling on all Senate Republicans to fall on their swords by joining him in filibustering the vote until he’s “satisfied” about Benghazi.
94 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:45:39pm |
re: #93 Targetpractice
Huckleberry Closetcase decided to vent to the press about his anger over Reid saying he won’t honor any holds put on Hagel’s nomination. He’s now calling on all Senate Republicans to fall on their swords by joining him in filibustering the vote until he’s “satisfied” about Benghazi.
Next up, the GOP swears to hold their breath until Obama self-impeachs
95 | Mich-again Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:47:01pm |
Speaking from experience, wages are not the be-all end-all in regards to business profitability. There are a million ways to reduce waste in operations before getting to the point of reducing wages to stay in business. It is a better approach to have fewer people who are kept productive and are well paid than it is to just slash wages and keep too many people on board.
In my business an American factory will have 6 employees on a particular operation making $25 an hour. Same operation in Thailand, 40 employees making $2 an hour. So the wages are less in the low scale country true, but each of those employees needs a uniform, materials, ventilation, line space, etc. and big surprise but too many people generally produce worse quality and now you get into big money repairing goods once they are manufactured.
Also, in the low wage countries, the transportation and energy infrastructures are lacking, energy costs are sky high, regulations are not consistent, the legal systems can be corrupt, and those factors increase overall costs as well.
Wages aren’t everything and the less people know about business the more importance they place on them.
96 | klys Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:48:09pm |
re: #85 Gus
Ray Lewis & The God Band-Aid: youtu.be/M8Uh0dSwZGA #p2 #tlot #SuperBowl #NFL #Ignorance #Atheism #Homicide #Murder #Ravens
— Gus (@Gus_802) February 13, 2013
For the record, I’m not disagreeing with you that he is a scumbag or a disgrace to humanity. But since you replied without actually addressing my question, I think it’s fair to ask again:
The question I would then ask (because I don’t want to put words in your mouth): do you think it’s possible to have a living wage where, if both parents in the family* are working 40 hours a week, the family could have a lifestyle above the federal poverty line?
* This is leaving aside issues of both single-parent families and states where minimum income requirements exceed the poverty line. Hi CA.
Also, if I said or did something to offend you, I’m sorry. It genuinely wasn’t my intent. I’m new, I lurked awhile before posting, but I probably didn’t have the full lay of the land before I said hi and I have tried to avoid stepping on toes. Well, stabby excluded, but I think that’s fair after some of the responses.
97 | darthstar Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:48:14pm |
I didn’t know that Joe Biden & John Boehner knew each other as infants. twitter.com/RelUnrelated/s…— Dan J (@RelUnrelated) February 13, 2013
98 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:51:20pm |
Boehner’s face tonight had all the appearance of that guy in the office who gets a stack of work dropped on his desk and told that he has a strict deadline to abide by, with failure to do all the work reflecting on him and him alone.
99 | darthstar Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:53:27pm |
The most impressive feat was Marco Rubio turning water into whine. #GOPresponse— Invisible Obama (@InvisibleObama) February 13, 2013
100 | darthstar Tue, Feb 12, 2013 9:54:48pm |
And Biden’s wife gets in on the fun
Marco Rubio is playing his own drinking game. #Respect— Dr. Jill Biden (@JillBidenVeep) February 13, 2013
101 | makeitstop Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:00:14pm |
I just got home. Did Nuge do anything dumb?
102 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:01:17pm |
re: #101 makeitstop
I just got home. Did Nuge do anything dumb?
Yeah, he showed up. Other than that, no, he failed to impress.
103 | Amory Blaine Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:06:24pm |
DerpmichaelFinley 46 minutes ago
People on MDMA thought Marco Rubio was licking his lips too much.
104 | darthstar Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:06:28pm |
So…last I heard there was no body in the cabin…WTF is up with Dorner now? And no, I don’t actually give a shit.
105 | stabby Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:08:25pm |
The Republican response was bad, I was saying:
“liar”
“liar”
“fucking liar”
“bullshit”
“fuck you”
“liar”
and so on over and over while I listened, but that was NOTHING compared with the Tea Party response.
I got a few minutes past the “a one cent cut on every dollar spent would balance the budget” lie and gave up.
Every damn word out of their mouths is a BIG fucking lie. How do these people sleep at night?
Anyway I’ve got an hour ride home now.
Ttyl
106 | stabby Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:10:08pm |
re: #4 Targetpractice
“I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.”
It’s the only prayer he answers every time.
107 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:11:51pm |
re: #104 darthstar
So…last I heard there was no body in the cabin…WTF is up with Dorner now? And no, I don’t actually give a shit.
This is the part in the action film where they search the cabin and find out that there’s no body, that he made a break for it under cover of smoke.
108 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:15:55pm |
re: #104 darthstar
So…last I heard there was no body in the cabin…WTF is up with Dorner now? And no, I don’t actually give a shit.
The cabin just went up in flames today. They’ve got to let it cool down first and make sure it’s safe before they explore the scene to see if there’s a body.
109 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:21:02pm |
Rubio: “Ours is a party of small ideas, small minds, and even smaller water bottles.” #SOTU #Rubioing— Karl Frisch (@KarlFrisch) February 13, 2013
110 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:25:21pm |
Marco Rubio’s long drink of water dominates rebuttal speech coverage
Rising GOP start Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) fell victim to the long-standing Obama rebuttal curse tonight, as he awkwardly reached for a drink of water from an off-camera bottle mid-speech.
“In the short time I’ve been here in Washington, nothing has frustrated me more than false choices like the ones the President laid out tonight,” Rubio said. He then reached for a water bottle and drank while staring at the camera, then continued. “The choice isn’t just between big government or big business.”
It led to a moment of levity for many in an otherwise uninspiring speech that focused on the importance of small government and the President’s supposed plan to increase the size of government (with no acknowledgment that President George W. Bush led the largest expansion of the federal government since World War II).
111 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:31:06pm |
re: #110 Kragar (Antichrist )
Marco Rubio’s long drink of water dominates rebuttal speech coverage
I have to agree with them, if it hadn’t been for the constant face-touching and the drink of water, Rubio’s speech would have been utterly forgettable. Like I said downstairs, he did well if you think that getting through the speech without falling over is an accomplishment. Otherwise, it was utter disaster of a cookie-cutter speech that anybody could have given. If this was supposed to be the beginning of his rise to the ‘16 nomination, then he’s got a long way to go.
112 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:34:32pm |
re: #111 Targetpractice
I have to agree with them, if it hadn’t been for the constant face-touching and the drink of water, Rubio’s speech would have been utterly forgettable. Like I said downstairs, he did well if you think that getting through the speech without falling over is an accomplishment. Otherwise, it was utter disaster of a cookie-cutter speech that anybody could have given. If this was supposed to be the beginning of his rise to the ‘16 nomination, then he’s got a long way to go.
The point of a rebuttal speech is to get people to question the President and offer an alternative for people to talk about.
They failed in that utterly.
113 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:36:14pm |
re: #112 Kragar (Antichrist )
The point of a rebuttal speech is to get people to question the President and offer an alternative for people to talk about.
They failed in that utterly.
OTOH, sales of Poland Spring water just went up among the wingnuts. Heh.
114 | Targetpractice Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:37:43pm |
re: #112 Kragar (Antichrist )
The point of a rebuttal speech is to get people to question the President and offer an alternative for people to talk about.
They failed in that utterly.
Ayep. Tonight might as well have been a stump speech, and a yawner of one at that.
115 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:47:24pm |
Jon Stewart: ‘Every time Dick Cheney laughs, an angel gets stabbed in the dick’
Just before President Obama’s 2013 State of the Union address, Jon Stewart found himself enraged by former Vice President Dick Cheney’s criticisms of the President aired on CBS. Among other things, Cheney called Obama’s policies flawed and said he was trying to hurt America’s reputation in the world and take the country “down a peg.”
“You know,” said Stewart, “Cheney’s really confident in his opinions and analysis, probably forgetting that he sucked at this.”
116 | gwangung Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:47:33pm |
re: #88 goddamnedfrank
The cost of goods is determined by what the market will bear, your analysis like all supply side analysis of the minimum wage, ignores demand and competition. Just because people want to maximize profits doesn’t mean they always can by increasing prices. We’ve gotten so used to the growing disparity between the top and bottom that we construct false narratives about owners having to sell houses, as if they might actually go homeless rather than live on what was historically more than enough.
Hm, yes. It’s not like the price charged the customer is actually staying the same in all case—they have to be going up because there’s steady price inflation over the years (while wages remain the same). A raise in minimum wage could just as easily restore lost buying power and increase the amount of goods bought elsewhere.
117 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:09:05pm |
Graham Vows To ‘Fight Back’ Against Reid For Disregarding His Hold On Hagel
Sen. Linsdey Graham (R-SC) said Tuesday night that he was very disappointed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) threat not to honor his “hold” on the confirmation of Chuck Hagel for secretary of defense.
“I’m very disappointed,” Graham told a small group of reporters after the president’s State of the Union speech. “I’m very upset about it and I’m going to fight back.”
Eat a bag of dicks, Linds.
118 | Lidane Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:10:23pm |
re: #21 wrenchwench
.@rubioswtrbottle Be here at 10pm!!— Lawrence O’Donnell (@Lawrence) February 13, 2013
119 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:24:42pm |
#GOPResponse #SOTU #gop #tcot twitter.com/marcorubio/sta…— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) February 13, 2013
120 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:28:21pm |
Rand Paul cites Adam Smith, a major proponent of banking regulations
Paul said that Obama should have learned from 18th century philosopher Adam Smith, author of The Wealth Of Nations. Though conservatives like Paul frequently cite Smith to justify their opposition to new regulations, Smith actually said that regulations on banks were as important as fire codes and other safety regulations. As Paul Krugman notes, he even supported banning high-risk, high-interest loans, similar to today’s subprime lending.
121 | Single-handed sailor Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:45:07pm |
Adam Smith - “It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion”
Rand Paul, I wonder if he understands anything in context.
122 | simoom Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:53:23pm |
This was retweeted in Sen. Mark Kirk’s (R-IL) twitter feed:
This GIF of Obama’s Exploding Fist Bump Is the State of the Union Highlight via @gawkertwitpic.com/c37zxw— Ben Dreyfuss (@bendreyfuss) February 13, 2013
That’s Kirk with the President in the .gif. Kirk served in the Illinois delegation with then senator Obama and suffered a major stroke in 2012.
123 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 13, 2013 12:01:58am |
Seeing Law Enforcement is now confirming that they have found a body in the cabin but are not saying its Dorner yet.
124 | engineer cat Wed, Feb 13, 2013 12:08:05am |
re: #123 Kragar (Antichrist )
Seeing Law Enforcement is now confirming that they have found a body in the cabin but are not saying its Dorner yet.
if this was an action flick definitely not altho the police captain would think so but our hero would have suspicions and the movie wouldn’t even be half over
125 | engineer cat Wed, Feb 13, 2013 12:13:25am |
unlike movies my life has too many boring scenes where i’m working late again
126 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 13, 2013 12:29:25am |
re: #125 engineer cat
unlike movies my life has too many boring scenes where i’m working late again
Which means that the likelihood of a ninja incursion happening while you’re there goes way up.
YAY YOU!
127 | Tigger2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 2:07:47am |
Kind of looks like Rubio is going to be the GOPs next Watergate.
128 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 13, 2013 2:25:59am |
Dorner manhunt: Charred human remains found in burned cabin
Charred human remains have been found in the burned cabin where police believe fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner was holed up after trading gunfire with law enforcement, authorities said.
If the body is identified to be Dorner’s, the standoff would end a weeklong manhunt for the ex-LAPD officer and Navy reserve lieutenant, who is accused of going on a revenge-fueled spree following his firing by the Los Angeles Police Department several years ago. Four people have died allegedly at Dorner’s hands.
Got to figure it will be a couple days before they can confirm a preliminary ID based off of dental or maybe a finger print if one is recoverable. A DNA test will probably take a while longer.
129 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 3:04:34am |
re: #74 Gus
What happens is you raise the minimum wage but along with that the price of goods and services and rent goes up along with it. It’s really not that simple. It’s sort of a Catch 22 situation. I realize that liberals want it to seem that simple, but that’s just not the case.
The price of goods is not directly related to the minimum wage; this is amply demonstrated by any look at prices of goods and wages over the past twenty years.
130 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 3:17:52am |
Fuck your phone.
131 | dragonath Wed, Feb 13, 2013 3:23:39am |
Apropos of nothing, here’s one place where Poland Spring water comes from:
In June 2003, Poland Spring was sued for false advertising in a class action lawsuit charging that their water that supposedly comes from springs, is in fact heavily treated common ground water.[9] The suit also states, hydro-geologists hired by Nestlé found that another current source for Poland Spring water near the original site stands over a former trash and refuse dump, and below an illegal disposal site where human sewage was sprayed as fertilizer for many years.[9]
In fact, Nestle derives a lot of their water from (gasp) public
water sources. One of their large “manufacturing” plants has been in the news for drawing public water during a heavy drought.
132 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 3:26:10am |
re: #130 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Fuck your phone.
[Embedded content]
There’s an app for THAT!?!
eewww!!!!
133 | Bulworth Wed, Feb 13, 2013 3:34:12am |
re: #120 Kragar (Antichrist )
Adam Smith was 4 Free Markets and Capitalism and not Soshulism, arrrrgggghghhghg
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134 | Bulworth Wed, Feb 13, 2013 3:40:52am |
re: #58 Targetpractice
To be fair, only the Tea Party Express got a SOTU rebuttal. Where was the Tea Party Nation rebuttal? And the Tea Party Patriot rebuttal? Gdamn librul media bias.
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135 | dragonath Wed, Feb 13, 2013 3:58:17am |
ProTip for Republicans: when your rebuttals become so boilerplate and mechanical that someone taking a swig of water is considered a highlight, ur doing it wrong.
136 | dragonath Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:01:47am |
Even More Exclusive ProTips: Surrounding yourselves with indiscrete loudmouths In a vain attempt to fight this perception only makes you look stupid and desperate.
137 | dragonath Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:04:19am |
Super Secret Cheat Code: It’s rumored that John Boehner gets oranger every time he polishes off a bottle of Grand Marnier.
138 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:34:16am |
Who didn’t see this coming?
Christopher Dorner Fan Site Already Alleging Conspiracy
Even as the flames begin to die down at the Big Bear Lake, California cabin where suspected quadruple murderer and former Los Angeles Police Department officer Christopher Dorner is believed to have been cornered by authorities, supporters of his rage-and-revenge-fueled quest against the LAPD have already set up a site dedicated to airing what they believe is the truth about the week-long manhunt in putsuit of Dorner.
Christopher-Dorner.com has an online poll asking viewers whether police or Dorner set the fire which is believed to have taken his life. As of 9:16 p.m. on Tuesday, 568 people or 78% of all poll respondents said they believed authorities had set the fire. 56% of respondents to a previous poll indicated that they believed Dorner would survive his encounter with the authorities.
139 | iossarian Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:35:20am |
140 | Areopagitica Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:39:45am |
Despite Rubio’s amateurish flubs in his speech, two things I found really frightening were:
1. His opening remarks about how the Federal Government is bad included a horrid misstatement that it was the Federal Government’s fault that the economy crashed. Um, I was fairly sure that the whole credit default swap thing was the cause of this mess, and last I checked, the feds didn’t run to AIG asking it to ensure toxic subprime mortgages; Bear, Chase, Merrill Lynch and Goldman were.
2. The GOP still thinks that because Solyndra was a joke, any R&D into alternative energy should not be pursued but we should drill the shit out of the planet for oil and if we kill some sea turtles along the way, oh well, its good for shareholders.
141 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:44:54am |
142 | A Mom Anon Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:45:58am |
re: #140 Areopagitica
It never ceases to amaze me that people will vote for people to run the government who hate the government,while drawing a paycheck from the hated government (not to mention the other benefits and perks they have no problem taking). That’s like hiring a babysitter that hates kids. A chef who hates cooking, a dog trainer who prefers cats. It’s stupid.
If Rubio is the best they’ve got for 2016….well, good luck with that.
143 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:47:07am |
TGDN waking up this morning with a very bad hangover.
144 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:55:42am |
Ladies and gentlemen, start your conspiracies!
Did Christopher Dorner Really Burn to Death in That Cabin? theatln.tc/V8P3gp— The Atlantic Wire (@TheAtlanticWire) February 13, 2013
145 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 4:59:39am |
re: #144 Vicious Babushka
Ladies and gentlemen, start your conspiracies!
From what I hear, he was whisked away to Area 51 where he shares a condo with Elvis and Osama Bin Laden!!
146 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:06:47am |
Watching a replay of The Westminster Dog Show (don’t ask!!)
I like how the dogs have trained their handlers how to trot beside them!!!
147 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:11:27am |
Getting inked for #TeamDorner a few hours ago. He is the based-God. twitter.com/vxbinaca/statu…— vxbinaca (@vxbinaca) February 13, 2013
148 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:12:45am |
re: #147 NJDhockeyfan
Will they be adding flames???
((bad satt,, bad bad bad !!!))
149 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:18:02am |
I Googled this meme “11,629 go on food stamps every day” where does it come from? STORMFRONT.
#tcot #p2 @gop #TGDN #ccot #ocra STATE OF THE UNION: 11,629 MORE GO ON FOOD STAMPS EACH DAYshar.es/Yez8x via @sharethis— Perry (@BAMAPERRY) February 13, 2013
150 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:22:06am |
TGDN seething about minimum wage.
“Living Wage” or “raise minimum wage” has long been a staple of the Liberal Agenda. BHO is #clueless how it affects employment. #TGDN #tcot— Dorothy Grissom (@DorothyGrissom) February 13, 2013
THOZ POORS SHUD BE HAPPY 2 WURK 4 BOWL OF RICE & GRUEL A DAY!1!
151 | steve_davis Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:24:49am |
re: #71 engineer cat
jfk could read a grocery bill and make it sound like the gettysburgh address
I wonder if Youtube has that classic video of John Houseman (or a John Houseman imitator, I can’t remember now) reading the phonebook to a rapt, appreciative audience.
152 | iossarian Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:24:55am |
re: #150 Vicious Babushka
TGDN seething about minimum wage.
Exploitation of the working class by the holders of capital, how does it work?
153 | steve_davis Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:34:33am |
re: #101 makeitstop
I just got home. Did Nuge do anything dumb?
Yes, he spent the last week urinating and defacating in his pants, because he was afraid the GOP might draft him for office at the SOTU.
154 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:35:29am |
Meanwhile, on board the Carnival ship, now we know why it’s called the Poop Deck.
155 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:36:04am |
They asked Ted Nugent what he wants to do now and he said “I’m taking a Carnival cruise!”
156 | Flounder Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:40:23am |
Some pics from our dream Carnival Cruise
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
So romantic, yellow waterfalls in the Gulf.
157 | iossarian Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:48:39am |
re: #156 Flounder
Some pics from our dream Carnival Cruise
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
So romantic, yellow waterfalls in the Gulf.
I’m always astounded by the sheer volume of fluff on the Mail’s right sidebar. It’s ho-hum to have “celeb outfit cleavage” links, but when you put a bazillion of them together like that it’s almost like a new, spontaneous artform.
158 | Flounder Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:52:03am |
Re: 157 Iossarian
Yeah, unfortunately work blocks all that juicy gossip :(
159 | Flounder Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:58:07am |
I guess they are gonna stuff Knut
[Link: www.thelocal.de…]
160 | geoffm33 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:05:44am |
OT: Interesting read if you fancy the Whitey Bulger stories.
161 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:11:34am |
TGDN nutbars continue to confuse the TV show Homeland with real life:
Former FBI Agent claims John Brennan converted while in Saudi Arabia @ presidentbobama.com <—- #tcot #GOP #OpSlam #TGDN #Patriots— Hershel Croy(@HershelCroySr) February 13, 2013
Link goes to a poorly designed birther/wingnut site.
162 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:14:39am |
re: #161 Lidane
TGDN nutbars continue to confuse the TV show Homeland with real life:
Link goes to a poorly designed birther/wingnut site.
The rumor started at WhirledNuts.
163 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:15:09am |
re: #160 geoffm33
OT: Interesting read if you fancy the Whitey Bulger stories.
Cool. I actually “met’ him back in the mid 80’s.
I place “met” in quotes because at the time I didn’t realize who it was.
At that time I owned a small business that sold/ installed. maintained satellite dish systems (pre- Direct TV) for bars, restaurants/ hotels/ homes. Whitey was the silent owner of South Boston’s Triple O’s bar (amongst others). I went there one day to sell them a dish and the guy I was pitching it to walked me over to a booth and intor’d me to his ‘partner” Without getting up from the table, he shook my hand, asked how much the system would be ($2500 installed) , reaching into his pocket and said “10% discount for cash, right?” and handed me the money on the spot
Only after did I realize who it was
164 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:15:32am |
Obama’s SOTU agenda, pitched directly to his growing majority coalition, intensifies GOP’s dilemma: washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-lin…— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) February 13, 2013
165 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:16:58am |
re: #162 Vicious Babushka
The rumor started at WhirledNuts.
My surprise, let me show you it.
WTF. Even if Brennan did convert to Islam, that doesn’t automatically make him a terrorist. These people are deranged.
166 | geoffm33 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:17:30am |
re: #163 sattv4u2
Wow! Do you still live around the area? If not, you wouldn’t recognize the Broadway station area anymore. If you do, you know what I mean!
167 | geoffm33 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:18:56am |
re: #160 geoffm33
OT: Interesting read if you fancy the Whitey Bulger stories.
As JeffFX pointed out to me, the article is behind a paywall so apologies for that. If you have access to BostonGlobe.com or have never visited, you’ll likely be able to access, good read for those interested.
168 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:19:19am |
169 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:19:54am |
*FACE PALM*
Muslims have Mecca. Israel has Jerusalem. @barackobama selling #Israel out b/c of his Muslim sympathies. #TGDN @miller51550— SCPatriot68 (@SCPatriot68) February 13, 2013
170 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:20:01am |
re: #167 geoffm33
As JeffFX pointed out to me, the article is behind a paywall so apologies for that. If you have access to BostonGlobe.com or have never visited, you’ll likely be able to access, good read for those interested.
Still a subscriber even though i moved from Boston 14 years ago
171 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:20:20am |
173 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:20:56am |
In TGDNspeak, all facts are lies and lies are facts.
@americafirstpa #liberal leftists dare to lie while using the word “fact” to promote their lies—shameful. #RedNationRising #TGDN #tcot— John Wayne (@John_Wayne1111) February 13, 2013
174 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:21:29am |
re: #171 Lidane
Link in first tweet goes to Weird Nut Drooly.
OK, I will be happy to turn over the monitoring of TGDN to you.
175 | geoffm33 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:21:56am |
re: #169 Vicious Babushka
Insure? Premiums must be pretty damn high!
176 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:22:07am |
re: #169 Vicious Babushka
*FACE PALM*
Does the GOP have a iPhone app yet so they know where the Koch Bros are so that they can kowtow in the correct direction?
////
177 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:23:49am |
re: #174 Vicious Babushka
OK, I will be happy to turn over the monitoring of TGDN to you.
Can’t. Have to finish breakfast, shower and head to work.
You know, since I’m an unemployed librul moocher in the 47%. =P
178 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:24:54am |
“Mr. President, I don’t oppose your plans because I want to protect the rich, I oppose your plans because I want to protect my neighbors.”
Except that Rubio’s neighbors are the same rich folks. Spinning doesn’t ignore the core existential questions facing the GOP. The GOP has alienated entire segments of the population with its mesage of misogyny and exclusion.
Putting a shiny new face on the stage wont fix that.
Economic growth and taxes can go hand in hand. Higher taxes were the norm under President Clinton, and yet tax cuts didn’t bring in higher revenues under President Bush. Taxes were higher during the 1950s and 1960s, even as there was an economic boon. Taxes don’t completely correlate with economic growth and economic vitality.
And yet, the GOP recognizes that the sequester (which they voted for) is a bad thing for the economy and something that they’re trying to pin on Obama, because it would result in cuts in government spending across the board and result in job losses and spending cuts that affect private businesses as well. Their solution is to try and shield military spending from the cuts, but it’s a tacit recognition that government spending can be a good thing - it’s just that the GOP differs from Democrats on where and how the spending should be done.
Frankly, the one part of the President’s speech that needs to be hammered home is the infrastructure portion. A completely dedicated infrastructure bill would serve to create jobs, rehabilitate critical infrastructure, and expand transit and utility needs around the nation. It should come with a concurrent effort to reduce the costs for constructing big projects (like narrowing the cost differential between a tunnel project in Europe versus a similar project in the US). For instance, one of the most daring and daunting tunnel projects in Europe, the Gotthard Base Tunnel that will open in 2016, stretches 35 miles and change (and includes about 90 miles of tunnels in total), costs about $10 billion.
Two of the biggest tunnel projects in the US are in NYC. The 2d Avenue subway is about $3.4 billion for the first phase, which stretches for all of 3 miles. That’s more than any comparable expansion of the Paris, Berlin, or London subway systems (which are themselves comparable in size/scope/population density). The East Side Access is another tunnel project that is wildly over budget at $8.4 billion. It will provide the LIRR with access to Grand Central Terminal in a new concourse under the existing station platforms. That project has seen multiple delays, and a cost that ballooned from an initial estimate of $3 billion to $6.4 billion to $8.4 billion. These kinds of costs and overruns mean that the money gets tied up and can’t go to other deserving projects to maintain and upgrade the system.
On a practical level, it means that we just can’t build like we used to because there’s not the money to go around, and critical needs get deferred. All that will come back to bite us in the end with a loss of competitiveness.
Now, some GOPers will bristle at the need to spend more on mass transit or infrastructure in places like NY, MA, CA, NJ, IL, FL, and even TX and AZ but fact is that’s where the people are and it requires a whole lot of money to build out an infrastructure that can move those kinds of crowds. Roads alone can’t do it (see the perpetual traffic jams and congestion in roads around LA or even Atlanta).
Thus, it’s critical to get the construction costs down all while pushing for a major expansion of infrastructure projects. At a time when borrowing costs are at an all time low, there’s no better time to get these projects underway.
179 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:25:15am |
Majority of Republicans would prefer their daughter to become a porn star than take Obama’s advice and go to college nationalmemo.com/poll-republica…— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) February 13, 2013
180 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:25:18am |
re: #177 Lidane
Can’t. Have to finish breakfast, shower and head to work.
You know, since I’m an unemployed librul moocher in the 47%. =P
IF U ARE BEING PAID MORE THAN A BOWL OF RICE & GRUEL A DAY, U R OVERPAID YOONYUN THUG!1!
183 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:27:11am |
Another effort at maintaining economic competitiveness? Universal pre-K. That shouldn’t have opposition from the GOP, but we know that it will because you’ve got the socons and wingnuts who are against any kind of schooling that they can’t completely manipulate and spin for their agenda.
184 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:28:38am |
Immediately after the State of the Union, Fox Newsers pushed lies about the minimum wage proposal: mm4a.org/VTEuJ6— Media Matters (@mmfa) February 13, 2013
185 | iossarian Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:29:42am |
re: #182 darthstar
drink of water.
I’ve got my Poland Spring on the go right here!
Kind of like Arab Spring, but with a faint whiff of cabbage.
186 | Flounder Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:31:14am |
Now I want some of my mom’s stuffed cabbage, with extra sour cream
mmmmmmmmmmm
187 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:32:24am |
re: #185 iossarian
I’ve got my Poland Spring on the go right here!
Kind of like Arab Spring, but with a faint whiff of cabbage.
Worst. Product placement. Ever. Some marketing genius said, “It’s going to be great, Marco Rubio will take a drink of water in his speech and we’ll be the water!” then he set the table four feet to the left.
188 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:33:10am |
By any sensible measure, Rubio’s entire pitch was incoherent gibberish. He thinks President Obama is hostile to free enterprise and wants to increase the deficit, neither of which makes any sense. Rubio thinks the housing crisis was caused by big government, which is simply idiotic. Rubio celebrates his family’s history of dependence on government social programs like student loans and Medicare, while articulating a policy agenda that guts government social programs like student loans and Medicare.
Forget ideology, subjectivity, and areas of opinion — the fact is Marco Rubio’s speech was filled with a series of claims with no meaningful connection to reality. The senator even thinks combating the climate crisis means asking government to “control the weather,” which is just genuinely dumb.
I know many of the folks watching Rubio’s right-wing infomercial kept asking, “What’s wrong with the guy’s mouth?” but I kept wondering, “What planet is this guy living on?”
189 | iossarian Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:34:12am |
re: #187 darthstar
Worst. Product placement. Ever. Some marketing genius said, “It’s going to be great, Marco Rubio will take a drink of water in his speech and we’ll be the water!” then he set the table four feet to the left.
Brings a whole new meaning to “product placement”, doesn’t it?
To be honest, though, if Rubio isn’t smart enough to make sure his water’s within reach before starting to talk, you’ve got to wonder if he can really handle negotiating with Putin’s rearing head.
190 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:38:03am |
re: #189 iossarian
Rubio is the GOP’s lipstick to make them more appealing. Unfortunately, it’s being applied by a three year old.
Image: 7030288499_6306f01d84.jpg
191 | iossarian Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:39:27am |
re: #189 iossarian
Brings a whole new meaning to “product placement”, doesn’t it?
To be honest, though, if Rubio isn’t smart enough to make sure his water’s within reach before starting to talk, you’ve got to wonder if he can really handle negotiating with Putin’s rearing head.
“Now, listen here, Vladimir. The United States will not tolerate… hold on a second…”
*leans over to side, grabs Poland Spring bottle, takes gulp, resumes upright position*
“…as I was saying, will not tolerate this latest outrage…”
192 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:41:55am |
re: #191 iossarian
“Now, listen here, Vladimir. The United States will not tolerate… hold on a second…”
*leans over to side, grabs Poland Spring bottle, takes gulp, resumes upright position*
“…as I was saying, will not tolerate this latest outrage…”
Putin: Why are you drinking my vodka?
193 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:42:37am |
194 | geoffm33 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:42:40am |
re: #191 iossarian
“Now, listen here, Vladimir. The United States will not tolerate… hold on a second…”
*leans over to side, grabs Poland Spring bottle, takes gulp, resumes upright position*
“…as I was saying, will not tolerate this latest outrage…”
You spelled outrageous outrage wrong.
195 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:43:42am |
re: #192 Feline Fearless Leader
Putin: Why are you drinking my vodka?
I knew having this meeting in Boehner’s office was a bad idea.
196 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:45:22am |
The Waterboy
Image: BC9SShyCQAA7mhk.jpg
198 | Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:53:33am |
It says an awful lot about the current state of the Republican party that in their past 2 highly publicized events (the convention and SOTU rebuttal), an inanimate object has been the highlight of the show; a chair in one, a water bottle in the other.
re: #196 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
The Waterboy
Image: BC9SShyCQAA7mhk.jpg
“Mama says Bawack Obahma is du DEBIL!”
199 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:54:10am |
Ok. Off to get ready for work. Hope your day is going better than this:
200 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:55:17am |
#spendingistheproblem RT @rephuizenga: Video: Washington Must Get Its Spending Under Control owl.li/hFpyk #tcot #sotu #4jobs— Speaker John Boehner (@SpeakerBoehner) February 13, 2013
Spending is the problem. Yet, the GOP is pushing opposition to the sequester, which…. cuts spending. Yeah, that’s Obama’s fault too.
201 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:57:36am |
Bunch of idiots.
[Link: photoblog.nbcnews.com…]
Sports fan extremism is the lowest of the low when it reaches this sort of level.
202 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:58:37am |
re: #199 Lidane
Ok. Off to get ready for work. Hope your day is going better than this:
Ouch.
(Off to get a piece of carrot cake and another cup of coffee as the day’s conference calls continue.)
203 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:59:24am |
Wingnut obviously thinks we should have “dumber” government.
IMPEACH this jerk! Obama calls for ‘smarter’ government.- latimes.com latimes.com/news/politics/… #tcot #PJNET #TGDN #teaparty— Joseph Dinyon (@JosephDinyon) February 13, 2013
204 | Mattand Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:59:28am |
Apologies if this was posted already,but IRL LOL’d at this. Found it on Facebook via Rachel Maddow:
205 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:02:36am |
re: #204 Mattand
Apologies if this was posted already,but IRL LOL’d at this. Found it on Facebook via Rachel Maddow:
We watched the speech in a bar, and the bartender refused to turn up the volume, so I played the stream over my phone (about 2 minutes off)…but we knew when big moments were coming because John Boehner would sink lower in his chair. I think he lost a couple of inches during the speech due to slouching.
206 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:06:19am |
re: #203 Vicious Babushka
Wingnut obviously thinks we should have “dumber” government.
He misheard Jindal and thought he said “We need to be the stupid party.”
207 | Mattand Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:10:18am |
re: #205 darthstar
We watched the speech in a bar, and the bartender refused to turn up the volume, so I played the stream over my phone (about 2 minutes off)…but we knew when big moments were coming because John Boehner would sink lower in his chair. I think he lost a couple of inches during the speech due to slouching.
I’m actually sorry I didn’t watch the SOTU and the Waterboy sequel live. It really sounds like Boehner would have embarrased a 4 year-old with his behavior.
208 | Bulworth Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:10:23am |
re: #150 Vicious Babushka
Against people having healthcare/insurance? check
Against unemployed people? check
Against people receiving food stamps? check
Against minimum wage? check
I’m seeing a pattern here…
209 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:10:53am |
Rubio. The new face of the republican party. Same as the old face.
210 | geoffm33 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:11:03am |
LOL, just came across my facebook timeline
Image: 421010_10151168778526610_1829273808_n.jpg
In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Louisiana State University .
On a hike through the bush, he came across a young bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot.
The elephant turned to face the man and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned and walked away. Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day.
Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenaged son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man.
Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly.
Probably wasn’t the same fucking elephant.
This is for everyone who sends me those heart-warming bullshit stories.
211 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:11:29am |
re: #208 Bulworth
Against people having healthcare/insurance? check
Against unemployed people? check
Against people receiving food stamps? check
Against minimum wage? checkI’m seeing a pattern here…
Wingnuts blame Obama for causing unemployment, but blame unemployed people for being poor and taking food stamps.
212 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:11:31am |
What Fix It First is all about (resetting infrastructure priorities to get everything up to a state of good repair before expanding infrastructure and requiring a different calculus in cost-benefit analysis):
What Fix It First really is all about - resetting infrastructure priorities to focus on keeping state of good repairbrookings.edu/~/media/resear…— lawhawk (@lawhawk) February 13, 2013
214 | Sionainn Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:14:32am |
re: #210 geoffm33
LOL, just came across my facebook timeline
I’m a sick puppy, too, because I laughed hard when I saw this on FB awhile back.
215 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:15:07am |
Making Grumpy Cat the face of the GOP is an insult to Grumpy Cat.
216 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:15:24am |
217 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:15:50am |
219 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:16:44am |
re: #209 Amory Blaine
Rubio. The new
facefeces of the republican party. Same as the oldfacefeces.
edited for accuracy
220 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:17:59am |
re: #217 Killgore Trout
Iran’s Fake Super-Stealth Jet Takes to the Fake Skies, Now with Nice Photoshop
We must fake invade them now!
221 | Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:21:05am |
re: #220 darthstar
We must fake invade them now!
“Wag the Dog”
Didn’t care for the movie, but first thing that came to mind.
222 | Mattand Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:21:14am |
223 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:24:05am |
Ted Nugent says congressman who uses wheelchair ‘probably has s—t for brains’ nydn.us/ZamK2g— New York Daily News (@nydailynews) February 13, 2013
224 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:28:19am |
For the Catholic Lizards:
Heh. And on that note, it’s time to head to work. :)
225 | Bulworth Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:30:56am |
re: #224 Lidane
Yeah, hope I remember to get my Episcopal ashes after work.
226 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:31:34am |
Best thing about ash Wednesday are the Fish fry dinners. And the Pączki on Tuesday. :P
227 | Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:34:08am |
re: #224 Lidane
For the Catholic Lizards:
Heh. And on that note, it’s time to head to work. :)
Oi, I had no idea what that was until a few years ago. Somebody came into work with the ‘ashes’ on their forehead. (creepy religious stuff, simulating eating his body, drinking his blood, then wearing the ashes or whatever that represents…) So of course dingleberry me says “you should go into the bathroom because you got some shit on your forehead you should clean off. Looks like grease or something.”
228 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:35:06am |
re: #226 Amory Blaine
Best thing about ash Wednesday are the Fish fry dinners. And the Pączki on Tuesday. :P
Had a nice pancake & sausage supper at my little Episcopal church last night. I’ll go in for the 1:00PM service today I think. A silent cross of ash on my forehead is a nice statement against the squealing of those who would loudly pretend their faith.
229 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:35:57am |
re: #224 Lidane
For the Catholic Lizards:
Heh. And on that note, it’s time to head to work. :)
I gave up the church one year for lent…by the end of seven weeks, the habit was broken and I never went back.
230 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:37:17am |
re: #156 Flounder
Some pics from our dream Carnival Cruise
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
So romantic, yellow waterfalls in the Gulf.
Ewww…that’s some nasty shit (no pun intended)…
‘Toilets are overflowing in the cabins, we are having to sleep in the hallways. Onion and cucumber sandwiches last night.
‘Cabin carpets are wet with urine.’
Debra Rightmire, passenger‘No power, no water, having to use the bathroom in bags.’
Gary Keyes, whose wife is on board‘People are fighting over food and stuff - that’s a bunch of savages.’
Brent Nutt, whose wife Bethany is on board‘We have no power AT ALL, which means we can’t use the toilets, wash our hands, or take a shower’
A blogger Clinty76 reporting what his wife told him on board the Triumph
‘There’s no lights, no water, we can’t flush. Some people were able to shower.’
Donna Gutzman, on board
231 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:37:45am |
re: #227 Ghost of Tom Joad
Oi, I had no idea what that was until a few years ago. Somebody came into work with the ‘ashes’ on their forehead. (creepy religious stuff, simulating eating his body, drinking his blood, then wearing the ashes or whatever that represents…) So of course dingleberry me says “you should go into the bathroom because you got some shit on your forehead you should clean off. Looks like grease or something.”
I also once said that to co-worker. Had no idea that smudge between the eyes.
232 | Mattand Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:37:56am |
re: #227 Ghost of Tom Joad
Oi, I had no idea what that was until a few years ago. Somebody came into work with the ‘ashes’ on their forehead. (creepy religious stuff, simulating eating his body, drinking his blood, then wearing the ashes or whatever that represents…) So of course dingleberry me says “you should go into the bathroom because you got some shit on your forehead you should clean off. Looks like grease or something.”
I was raised Catholic, but we did the bare minimum. For years, I would see people walking around with the Holy Smudge on Ash Wednesday, and not put two and two together.
I found it to be “creepy religious stuff” when I actually believed in all that. Now that I’m done with religion, it just seems even weirder.
Whatever gets you through the day, I guess.
233 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:39:12am |
I’m a recovering Catholic myself. We all must find our path.
234 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:40:30am |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
Ah. An experience like the early explorers on sailing ships.
I presume Captain Rum is in charge of the cruise?
235 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:41:25am |
re: #217 Killgore Trout
Iran’s Fake Super-Stealth Jet Takes to the Fake Skies, Now with Nice Photoshop
ROLMAO!
236 | Interesting Times Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:43:12am |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
It gives one a new-found appreciation for this Bill Gates project, no?
The grand prize went to a team from the California Institute of Technology, who coaxed a toilet into generating electricity and hydrogen.
The hydrogen comes from poop, which is transformed by an electrochemical reactor activated by solar power. The idea is that hydrogen will be stored in fuel cells, which can provide users with power in a crunch.
But perhaps the biggest boon, explains Carl Hensman, the Gates Foundations’ program officer for their water, sanitation, and hygiene team, is that the materials could be silk-screen printed in an electrochemical cell. The effort cuts costs on otherwise expensive parts. It’s this marriage of elements — an all-angles approach to a difficult design problem — that won them funding for the most successful new throne.
237 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:43:55am |
re: #231 Vicious Babushka
I also once said that to co-worker. Had no idea that smudge between the eyes.
I have referred to it as “DFD” or “Dirty Forehead Day”. My manager was only slightly bemused.
238 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:46:33am |
re: #229 darthstar
I gave up the church one year for lent…by the end of seven weeks, the habit was broken and I never went back.
Same here. Haven’t set foot in a church aside from weddings and funerals since I was 18.
239 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:46:41am |
I heard err Rubio again did the my parents fled Cuba to escape Castro canard. Man I need coffee.
240 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:47:57am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
ROLMAO!
The photoshops are getting a little better but you’d think they have the sense not to use a stock image for the background. It’s really hard to guess what the hell they’re thinking.
241 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:49:20am |
Embarrassing religious moments:
A co-worker saw a photo of my family on my desk and asked “are you Amish?” (we are Hasidic Jews). I said “Yeah that was my horse & buggy you saw in the parking garage!” I was working at GM as a VEHICLE ENGINEER.
We went out to lunch and I ordered an iced tea. A guy (from another GM facility, did not know I keep kosher) kept offering me fried shrimps from his plate. I said “No thank you, I’m on a diet.” He said (and I love this part, remember it so fondly) “BUT YOU’RE SO THIN!” LOL
243 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:50:19am |
re: #232 Mattand
I used to look forward to the smudge…going to Catholic school, I went to mass all the fucking time. Dad would drop us off early for school, so if it was cold out, we’d catch the 6:30am mass. Ash Wednesdays I’d get the smudge at 6:30 and be already smudged at 10am when we had school mass. Wore that smudge like a badge of honor…
244 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:50:27am |
245 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:54:40am |
IDK when I was young I was forced to unplug a toilet at work while on my lunch break. I ate my liver sausage sandwich while I was performing the duty.
246 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:56:47am |
Who would have guessed the Moonbats would be in a tizzy with conspiracy theories and anti=police hysteria?
BREAKING:”Burn that f**ker down,” say cops.
Cops say “Burn it Down”
Dishonest hate blogger and conspiracy nut Max Blumenthal rides again
Media Covers for Cops in Chris Dorner Standoff
The Guardian tried to run with the story but at least they’re honest enough to add some updates
Did the police start fire that killed Christopher Dorner?
2.50pm GMT update: The Daily Caller is claiming that “burner” is police slang for tear gas canister. More details soon.
3.50pm GMT update: The word “burner” may come from “BurnSafe” containers for CS gas canisters, made by the Covina-Thomas Company in Covina, California. On its website the company lists among its recent customers the LAPD, although not the San Bernardo County sheriff’s office. More details soon.
247 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:57:20am |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
The whole incident goes against everything Carnival is trying to sell in their ad campaign that cruising is so much easier, relaxing, than other kinds of trips (amusement parks, national parks, etc.). Turns out that when the cruise ship works right, it’s often fine. But when a cruise ship goes wrong, it can get quite bad in a hurry - see Costa Concordia or the Carnival Triumph for how bad it can get.
And it’s hitting their bottom line too.
248 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:59:33am |
Oh crap, my coffee thermos is cracked. I kept wondering why coffee kept dripping out of it.
249 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:05:15am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Look at those moonbats!
When a structure is what we call “fully involved” - that is, the whole thing’s on fire - we are very, very, very unlikely to go in. We have to have extremely good reason to believe there’s someone alive in there.
Even then, it’s still an open question. The probability of saving a life has to be weight against the probability of losing a firefighter. Particulars of the building are evaluated. Some things pretty much eliminate all chances of firefighters entering a fully-involved structure:
- Evidence of structural compromise;
- Presence of explosives or oxygen tanks.We’ve got both in this situation. The police were ‘peeling the walls off’ before the fire started, so there’s a whole lot of structural compromise. And we know there was definitely a large quantity of live ammunition, and it’s likely that there were other explosives.
Firefighting gear is great, but it has limits. You can get burned through it at high enough temperatures. You can easily be scalded through it. You can be cut through it, and then badly burned through the resulting hole. You can be crushed through it. You can be trapped in it long enough to run out of air. All of these are serious dangers that fire departments have to consider each time they think about ordering firefighters into a burning structure. Recovering evidence for an investigation isn’t a good enough reason to make that call.
…
how many people did he kill today?
do you care about who he killed AT ALL?
or do you actually think that what happens to the killer is what is important?
here’s a fucking news flash for you: what is important are the PEOPLE HE KILLED AND KIDNAPPED AND TIED UP!!!
…
important if police try to kill a suspect
by starting fire….separate from what suspect did
but I get why you are pissedtoo much sympathy for this guy in lots of places
..
For one thing, it’s not BREAKING. That video was shot much earlier in the day and had been widely available all afternoon.
You have no idea how the fire started.
But don’t let that stop you from donning your tinfoil lid and concluding that what you think happened actually happened.
Look at those crazy KOSkids!
250 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:05:43am |
re: #240 Killgore Trout
The photoshops are getting a little better but you’d think they have the sense not to use a stock image for the background. It’s really hard to guess what the hell they’re thinking.
I guess they think they can fool anyone with those picture even though they get caught every time. Not the brightest bulbs are they?
251 | Political Atheist Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:07:35am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Seems to me that it’s fair to think the police started the fire, given the tear gas grenades. Which of course is supposed to drive a suspect out making a fire a moot point. Unless that thing lands in a bathtub, it will probably start a fire. Conspiracy? Laughable. A gunman that dangerous is going to get maximum force for safety of everyone around. I guess this tape will so into the same crappy blogs that already have the Davidian video and bs. Ruby Ridge etc.
History has shown that the tactical community needs a better system for delivering Non-lethal pyrotechnic chemical agents when confronted with barricaded suspects. By their very nature pyrotechnic Non-lethal chemical agents can burn in excess of 1000 degrees and constitute an extreme fire hazard. A system is needed which would minimize the chance of starting fires. Through the development of the Burn Safe and Gas Rain, heavy concentrations of pyrotechnic Non-lethal chemical agents can be delivered efficiently with minimal probability of starting a fire. Both the Bum Safe and Gas Ram are multi-purpose tools. They enable tactical teams various ways to deal with barricaded suspects by delivering Non-lethal chemical agents into hardened structures. The systems are designed so that a delivery team can deploy the tools into the structure with minimal risk of starting a fire. The effectiveness of pyrotechnic CS over liquid or dry powder delivery systems has been proven historically. Pyrotechnic CS has effectively denied access to and forced individuals from fortified structures. Liquid and powder barricade penetrating projectiles have proven to be less effective in maintaining airborne persistency. They are potentially dangerous due to the ballistic capability of the projectile which could strike a suspect. The frangible projectiles often deploy their contents into drapes, furniture or embed into walls; thereby decreasing their effectiv
252 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:08:38am |
re: #244 Vicious Babushka
Cucumber & shit sandwiches must suck.
Apparently, they’re all that’s on the menu on Carnival Cruises these days.
Much of the ship’s electrical power went down in the fire, causing widespread malfunctions, including taking out sanitary systems.
Passengers have reported sewage sloshing around in hallways, flooded rooms and trouble getting enough to eat.
“It’s disgusting. It’s the worst thing ever,” passenger Ann Barlow told CNN
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
253 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:09:06am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Conspiracy kooks at DKos? You don’t say!
254 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:10:37am |
EARTH TO TGDN: MINIMUM WAGE IS STILL MINIMUM.
The sentiment in my liberal neighborhood is folks are gonna wait for the minimum wage to go up to $11/hr before looking for work #TGDN— Stuart(@Ringo6) February 13, 2013
255 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:10:59am |
I think the police may have set fire to the house to get him to flee from it. Setting fire to the house is not an attempt to kill him; being in a burning house is very survivable by, say, leaving the house. If he chose to stay in it, he chose to stay in it. I have no problem with the cops setting the house on fire if they did.
There are people who think that the cops fully intended to kill him before bringing him in— the main reason for thinking this, I’d say, is that the LAPD shot the fuck out of a couple of pickups based on no actual threat. These were likely stupid, trigger-happy mistakes and not any actual policy. There are probably quite a few individual cops who’d shoot him without giving him much of a chance to surrender— I also don’t have a problem with that, either, since he was trying to wage ‘asymmetrical warfare’ and pretending to surrender could easily be a part of that.
256 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:15:01am |
re: #251 Political Atheist
Seems to me that it’s fair to think the police started the fire, given the tear gas grenades. Which of course is supposed to drive a suspect out making a fire a moot point. Unless that thing lands in a bathtub, it will probably start a fire. Conspiracy? Laughable. A gunman that dangerous is going to get maximum force for safety of everyone around. I guess this tape will so into the same crappy blogs that already have the Davidian video and bs. Ruby Ridge etc.
It’s possible that the fire was started by the tear gas canister but I’m pretty sure it’s very illegal for the police to intentionally set fire to a house. To use the police slang “burner” for tear gas as proof that the police intentionally set the fire is silly.
257 | dragonfire1981 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:15:21am |
re: #252 darthstar
Apparently, they’re all that’s on the menu on Carnival Cruises these days.
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
Here’s what’s confusing to me: They had a sister ship (i.e. another cruise ship) drop off some supplies to them recently.
Why couldn’t they have transferred the passengers to that ship (which you know had power and running water) and gotten them home faster?
Yes I know there’s logistics to consider and I know it would impact the vacationers aboard the other boat but surely there is enough space on a giant cruise ship to fit the passengers from both boats. If conditions on the damaged ship are as bad as indicated, I would think an evacuation would be a reasonable option.
258 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:15:37am |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
It’s possible that the fire was started by the tear gas canister but I’m pretty sure it’s very illegal for the police to intentionally set fire to a house.
Can you explain why you think it’s illegal for the police to set fire to a house under these circumstances?
259 | dragonfire1981 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:16:08am |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
It’s possible that the fire was started by the tear gas canister but I’m pretty sure it’s very illegal for the police to intentionally set fire to a house. To use the police slang “burner” for tear gas as proof that the police intentionally set the fire is silly.
Even if they’ve confirmed there’s a hostile criminal inside who has already wounded/killed several of their own?
260 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:18:55am |
re: #257 dragonfire1981
Here’s what’s confusing to me: They had a sister ship (i.e. another cruise ship) drop off some supplies to them recently.
Why couldn’t they have transferred the passengers to that ship (which you know had power and running water) and gotten them home faster?
Yes I know there’s logistics to consider and I know it would impact the vacationers aboard the other boat but surely there is enough space on a giant cruise ship to fit the passengers from both boats. If conditions on the damaged ship are as bad as indicated, I would think an evacuation would be a reasonable option.
The problem is getting them between the boats. Panicky people going down ladders onto the lifeboats or whatever they have, right next to a big ship that’s lacking propulsion and guidance, is not good. Lowering the liferafts by winch is also not risk-free.
261 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:19:07am |
re: #257 dragonfire1981
Here’s what’s confusing to me: They had a sister ship (i.e. another cruise ship) drop off some supplies to them recently.
Why couldn’t they have transferred the passengers to that ship (which you know had power and running water) and gotten them home faster?
Yes I know there’s logistics to consider and I know it would impact the vacationers aboard the other boat but surely there is enough space on a giant cruise ship to fit the passengers from both boats. If conditions on the damaged ship are as bad as indicated, I would think an evacuation would be a reasonable option.
I am sure there are insurance regs about accepting more passengers than the ship is legally licensed to carry, as well as logistics of ship to ship transfer. This ain’t the fucking Titanic.
262 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:20:18am |
Here’s the telegraph: Police ‘tried to burn out Christopher Dorner’
New footage of America’s most wanted man Christopher Dorner’s last stand appears to show police officers urging each other to burn the building down.
263 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:20:22am |
re: #257 dragonfire1981
Here’s what’s confusing to me: They had a sister ship (i.e. another cruise ship) drop off some supplies to them recently.
Why couldn’t they have transferred the passengers to that ship (which you know had power and running water) and gotten them home faster?
Yes I know there’s logistics to consider and I know it would impact the vacationers aboard the other boat but surely there is enough space on a giant cruise ship to fit the passengers from both boats. If conditions on the damaged ship are as bad as indicated, I would think an evacuation would be a reasonable option.
It would take them less than a day to ferry everyone back on another ship at full power. Four days? And you know the pool is filthy as well so there’s no bathing options whatsoever. If I was on that boat, I’d grab a deck chair and sleep on it. Take turns with whomever I was travelling with making drink and food runs. Pee over the side of the ship.
264 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:21:44am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
Here’s the telegraph: Police ‘tried to burn out Christopher Dorner’
Grab a drink of water. Nobody gives a crap about Dorner if he’s dead..he is dead, right?
265 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:22:20am |
re: #257 dragonfire1981
Here’s what’s confusing to me: They had a sister ship (i.e. another cruise ship) drop off some supplies to them recently.
Why couldn’t they have transferred the passengers to that ship (which you know had power and running water) and gotten them home faster?
Yes I know there’s logistics to consider and I know it would impact the vacationers aboard the other boat but surely there is enough space on a giant cruise ship to fit the passengers from both boats. If conditions on the damaged ship are as bad as indicated, I would think an evacuation would be a reasonable option.
Probably a complex set of safety concerns and design limitations leading to potential liability issues. And then a decision to not take the additional risk. (And I hope not simply a financial decision to not mess up the cruise of two shiploads of people as compared to one.)
And a large unpowered ship drifting (or even under tow) is a hazard to get close to and work with. Especially in open water with wave action and such affecting the use of boats. And I suspect the ability to get a gangway in place (which would still have considerable risks) is probably unlikely to impossible.
266 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:23:02am |
Conspiracies grow over LAPD’s call for #Dorner blackout
AS the LAPD surrounded the burning cabin containing former US Marine Reserve and alleged cop killer Christopher Dorner, police called for a worldwide Twitter blackout.
Conspiracy theories are mounting that the police in the San Bernardino County created their own version of events, trying at all costs to block journalists’ from accessing the scene to confirm how the events unfolded.
…Earlier today the US Marshal’s Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told CNN that “a suspect” tried to get out of the back door of the cabin, but he was pushed back inside. Twitter users jumped to many conclusions including allegations that police left Dorner to burn alive inside the cabin.
“Cops started the fire and now lying about it,” tweeted user @Anon4Justice. “Heard them on scanner one hour ago ‘Going forward with the burn’. #dorner”.Another user @GeorgieBC wrote: “So US ‘authorities’ have apparently burnt someone to death in a cabin and let it burn through the basement so no body is left. #Dorner”.
She continued: “So police scanners were cut and media was told to stop filming then they lit the cabin on fire? Anyone ask for surrender? #Dorner.”
Another user @nicsha tweeted: “I don’t sympathise with murders but burning a man alive in a cabin who is ‘suspected to be a guy who might have killed’ is wrong #dorner”.Hacking group Anonymous also weighed in, calling the police’s requests for silence “shady”.
“Note to media: If cops ask you to back away, it’s b/c they’re about to do something shady. It has nothing to do with your safety. #dorner,” @Occupythemob tweeted.
San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said that no one was allowed to go near the fire, including the fire department.
Twitter user, @DanjoLabeef tweeted: “‘Hey, so this guy went into a cabin. We’re not sure it’s #Dorner, and even if it is, we’re not sure he’s guilty. Let’s light it on fire!’”.
“#Dorner chased back into cabin when SO plan was to set fire??”, tweeted another user @eurekasue49.
Twitter user @alpamin wrote: “Why don’t they put that fire out? They obviously don’t want him alive!!! #dorner.”
This conspiracy will stay around for a while. Dorner supporters will not accept that he himself is responsible for everything that happened and will look for any reason to blame the police.
267 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:24:47am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
Did you have any source for your assertion that it’s illegal for cops to set fire to the house other than your own truthiness, Killgore?
To me, it seems like an odd thing to believe. Cops can use a tank to smash through the side of it, they can shoot the shit out of it, they can throw flashbangs and tear gas and other things that have a possibility of setting it on fire, but they can’t actually set it on fire? It’s a free-standing building, they can cut off any gas supply to it from the outside. Setting fire to it seems ethically and tactically okay.
So did you have any reason for thinking it’s illegal?
268 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:26:49am |
re: #266 NJDhockeyfan
Conspiracies grow over LAPD’s call for #Dorner blackout
This conspiracy will stay around for a while. Dorner supporters will not accept that he himself is responsible for everything that happened and will look for any reason to blame the police.
I’m pretty sure the people who believe this stuff will continue to do so permanently. Just like the 9-11 truthers, it just takes a few media clips, out of context facts and anomolies is media coverage and the conspiracy nuts will stick to it forever.
269 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:26:50am |
Last night it was reported on CNN that “suspect attempted to leave the cabin and was driven back inside” (by hail of bullets). Since media was not allowed anywhere near the cabin, they were totally relying on what they were told by LE sources.
There were conflicting reports, such as “Suspect fired over 500 rounds” and “ammo dump ignited by fire” when it was impossible for Dorner to have carried that much ammo around while he was running through the woods.
270 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:27:25am |
re: #266 NJDhockeyfan
Conspiracies grow over LAPD’s call for #Dorner blackout
This conspiracy will stay around for a while. Dorner supporters will not accept that he himself is responsible for everything that happened and will look for any reason to blame the police.
Dorner’s supporters - all twelve of them, can go fuck themselves. The fact that they have people (like yourself) watching them to see what they’ll do, say or…heaven forbid…tweet! is even more embarrassing to our phylum.
271 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:28:01am |
re: #258 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
It’s possible that someone could construe the setting of a fire as excessive force. I’m sure someone will try to suggest that and bring up Waco or the MOVE debacle in Philly, but the difference between situations is that in the 1985 Philly incident cops not only used tear gas and fired what amounted to 10k rounds at the rowhouses where MOVE were holed up in an actual bunker but then dropped actual explosives on the bunker from a helicopter resulting in a fire that ended up engulfing the entire block and 9 died. Here in the Dorner case, cops didn’t drop an actual bomb on the cabin and appear to have used tear gas to force Dorner to exit the cabin.
Firing the tear gas isn’t excessive force considering all the facts and circumstances of what we know of Dorner. It was a nonlethal method of dealing with a serious threat.
A fire that was inadvertently set in the course of firing the tear gas isn’t excessive force. Letting the fire burn isn’t necessarily excessive force either considering the deadly threat posed by Dorner and that he’d already shot and killed cops and relatives of cops.
Some people trying to make hash of the situation by keying in on codewords for taking a tactical action (firing a tear gas canister - burner) isn’t really any different than the troofers who say that 7WTC was deliberately destroyed by keying on the FDNY “pulling” its guys out of the building. It’s a deliberate distortion of what happened.
272 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:28:28am |
I’m convinced now that there’s always going to be a conspiracy for something no matter what. Now to find a bunch of CTers to help me explain why I don’t have a date for Valentines Day…………
273 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:30:12am |
re: #271 lawhawk
I wouldn’t even have a problem if they did intentionally set the fire, nor do I think it would constitute excessive force. Dorner has had every chance to surrender. If setting fire to the house was considered a good tactical way to get him to get the fuck out of it, it’d represent an opportunity to take him alive, because there’s very, very little chance that if they stormed the house that they’d feel confident enough they had the drop on him to not immediately shoot when they saw him.
274 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:31:35am |
re: #272 HappyWarrior
I’m convinced now that there’s always going to be a conspiracy for something no matter what. Now to find a bunch of CTers to help me explain why I don’t have a date for Valentines Day…………
There is a flat-earth society. I know one of them.
It’s when conspiracy theorists gain actual political power— like the GOP, which is basically a large accumulation of conspiracy theories— that they’re a problem. People saying dumb shit on twitter doesn’t cause an actual problem.
275 | Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:33:45am |
re: #267 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Given the circumstances, it seems like at least the best decision out of a list of bad decisions to try and get him.
As long as they were dead certain that house was empty besides Dorner himself.
I do wonder if they have specific guidelines in their ability to draw out a suspect who has taken sanctuary in a house/building. Can they set it on fire? Did they exhaust all options before making that decision (considering they were having a shootout with him, I’d say so)?
I’m sure somewhere an entrepreneurial civil liberties lawyer could find a legal ramification of going that route, but again, lesser of various evils and sacrificing more police officers in attempts to get him vs. just burning it down.
276 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:33:58am |
re: #257 dragonfire1981
Part of it has to deal with trying to avoid screwing the passengers on the functioning ship (which will result in more refunds/comps) and part of it has to deal with the passenger loads and where to put those who are being displaced from the Triumph (it’s just not feasible). The Triumph is a larger ship than the Legend that first appeared on scene to assist. The ships carry just enough provisions for the cruise they’re on, so it’s not like they’ve got so much that they could transfer over either.
277 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:34:23am |
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
100,000+ GT weight ship. Roughly on par with a Nimitz-class carrier.
But obviously not designed in such a way to keep engine rooms separate or have sufficient backup generator capacity to handle a emergency of this scope.
And given the picture I do wonder what sort of things are worked into the design to allow working with the ship away from a dock in terms of repair, evacuation, etc.
Going to be a pile of lawsuits and some big insurance claims out of this. And then get to see what sort of margins Carnival operates within and whether they are able to ride things out.
278 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:34:24am |
re: #274 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
There is a flat-earth society. I know one of them.
It’s when conspiracy theorists gain actual political power— like the GOP, which is basically a large accumulation of conspiracy theories— that they’re a problem. People saying dumb shit on twitter doesn’t cause an actual problem.
Yep, very true. There’s always going to be someone out there hollering and hollering that space aliens invented donuts to fatten humans up but you’re right, it’s when CTers have political power that they’re a problem because they have actual influence on policy.
279 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:34:54am |
Setting fire to the house may be acceptable. If they are 199% positive no on else is in there with him.
280 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:36:23am |
re: #275 Ghost of Tom Joad
I don’t think it was deliberately set afire. I’m thinking it was a combination of tear gas canisters setting combustibles on fire and that the building itself was a log cabin construction. Without any fire department moving in to fight the flames, the building was going to go up in flames. Withholding fire fighting is not a criminal act either under the circumstances where the shooter has already shown a willingness to attack law enforcement on multiple occasions.
281 | efuseakay Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:36:56am |
re: #275 Ghost of Tom Joad
Given the circumstances, it seems like at least the best decision out of a list of bad decisions to try and get him.
As long as they were dead certain that house was empty besides Dorner himself.
I do wonder if they have specific guidelines in their ability to draw out a suspect who has taken sanctuary in a house/building. Can they set it on fire? Did they exhaust all options before making that decision (considering they were having a shootout with him, I’d say so)?
I’m sure somewhere an entrepreneurial civil liberties lawyer could find a legal ramification of going that route, but again, lesser of various evils and sacrificing more police officers in attempts to get him vs. just burning it down.
From what it sounds like, they don’t even know if it was actually Dorner. I can only imagine the backlash/embarrassment the LEAs involved would suffer should he come out with a video taunting them, proving that he’s still alive and on the run.
282 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:37:10am |
“Backup generator? Nahh put in another rock wall”.
283 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:37:30am |
re: #271 lawhawk
It’s possible that someone could construe the setting of a fire as excessive force. I’m sure someone will try to suggest that and bring up Waco or the MOVE debacle in Philly, but the difference between situations is that in the 1985 Philly incident cops not only used tear gas and fired what amounted to 10k rounds at the rowhouses where MOVE were holed up in an actual bunker but then dropped actual explosives on the bunker from a helicopter resulting in a fire that ended up engulfing the entire block and 9 died. Here in the Dorner case, cops didn’t drop an actual bomb on the cabin and appear to have used tear gas to force Dorner to exit the cabin.
Firing the tear gas isn’t excessive force considering all the facts and circumstances of what we know of Dorner. It was a nonlethal method of dealing with a serious threat.
A fire that was inadvertently set in the course of firing the tear gas isn’t excessive force. Letting the fire burn isn’t necessarily excessive force either considering the deadly threat posed by Dorner and that he’d already shot and killed cops and relatives of cops.
Some people trying to make hash of the situation by keying in on codewords for taking a tactical action (firing a tear gas canister - burner) isn’t really any different than the troofers who say that 7WTC was deliberately destroyed by keying on the FDNY “pulling” its guys out of the building. It’s a deliberate distortion of what happened.
Not to mention the clusterfuck that occurred during the shootout with the Symbionese Liberation Army, when they did not even know of Patty Hearst was in the building or not.
284 | Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:38:24am |
re: #280 lawhawk
Yup. Either way, let it burn, as long as the original caveat of knowing 100% it was empty besides Dorner.
285 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:38:44am |
re: #281 efuseakay
I think they were really, really, really, really confident it was Dorner. They earlier pickup shootouts probably made for some intense morning meetings that involved telling everyone to stop going off half-cocked.
I suspect colorful language may have been used.
286 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:40:02am |
re: #281 efuseakay
From what it sounds like, they don’t even know if it was actually Dorner. I can only imagine the backlash/embarrassment the LEAs involved would suffer should he come out with a video taunting them, proving that he’s still alive and on the run.
Not too embarrassing though. I don’t think the authorities have definitively stated it is (was) Dorner, only that the body has been taken to the morgue for ID
If it isn’t, then someone else died there that wasn’t exactly a “model citizen”
287 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:40:34am |
WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM? (A link because I’m not embedding it here)
288 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:40:34am |
re: #280 lawhawk
Considering the kinds of LEOs who were positioning themselves outside the cabin (and reported as SWAT forces), it’s entirely possible that the LEOs had infrared gear and/or remote control robots to see whether there were others in the building at the time.
289 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:41:58am |
re: #286 sattv4u2
Not too embarrassing though. I don’t think the authorities have definitively stated it is (was) Dorner, only that the body has been taken to the morgue for ID
If it isn’t, then someone else died there that wasn’t exactly a “model citizen”
In the initial day or two when the Dorner situation broke wasn’t there a hotel standoff that some initially thought was Dorner, but turned out to be another fugitive?
290 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:42:55am |
re: #280 lawhawk
I don’t think it was deliberately set afire. I’m thinking it was a combination of tear gas canisters setting combustibles on fire and that the building itself was a log cabin construction. Without any fire department moving in to fight the flames, the building was going to go up in flames. Withholding fire fighting is not a criminal act either under the circumstances where the shooter has already shown a willingness to attack law enforcement on multiple occasions.
It was not wise to send the firefighters in so soon with all the ammo going off.
291 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:43:50am |
re: #289 Feline Fearless Leader
In the initial day or two when the Dorner situation broke wasn’t there a hotel standoff that some initially thought was Dorner, but turned out to be another fugitive?
I hadn’t heard that, but wouldn’t be shocked with the number of “tips” the cops got in such a short timeframe
292 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:45:29am |
re: #286 sattv4u2
Not too embarrassing though. I don’t think the authorities have definitively stated it is (was) Dorner, only that the body has been taken to the morgue for ID
If it isn’t, then someone else died there that wasn’t exactly a “model citizen”
I heard they found his drivers license underneath the rubble of the cabin.
293 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:46:02am |
re: #291 sattv4u2
I hadn’t heard that, but wouldn’t be shocked with the number of “tips” the cops got in such a short timeframe
Need to check back and see if that was just rumors flying around in the first 24 hours, or there was actually something to the report. Will do some searching and report back in a while.
294 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:46:26am |
re: #290 NJDhockeyfan
It was not wise to send the firefighters in so soon with all the ammo going off.
How did all the ammo get in there?
295 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:46:52am |
re: #290 NJDhockeyfan
It was not wise to send the firefighters in so soon with all the ammo going off.
A few firemen just got shot going to a fire. There’s no way they’d send them in in this situation.
296 | efuseakay Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:47:31am |
re: #285 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I think they were really, really, really, really confident it was Dorner. They earlier pickup shootouts probably made for some intense morning meetings that involved telling everyone to stop going off half-cocked.
I suspect colorful language may have been used.
I sure hope so. That we haven’t heard from this guy on FB/Twitter/YT after yesterday really does lead me to believe it was him. But the way the LEAs have handled this in the previous days still brings out the cynic in me.
The sooner this guy is off the street, the better.
297 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:47:38am |
re: #292 NJDhockeyfan
I heard they found his drivers license underneath the rubble of the cabin.
hmmmm, I would assume he had his license on him (as opposed to placing it aside on a table or something) and if the body was burned beyond recognition I would imagine a piece of plastic (his license) would have melted
Maybe,, maybe not
298 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:47:50am |
re: #293 Feline Fearless Leader
Need to check back and see if that was just rumors flying around in the first 24 hours, or there was actually something to the report. Will do some searching and report back in a while.
:)
299 | dragonfire1981 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:48:01am |
Man, I’m glad I don’t comment over on this site.
Due to an unusually high number of death threats, we are now requiring valid e-mail addresses on all comments.
300 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:48:18am |
re: #292 NJDhockeyfan
I heard they found his drivers license underneath the rubble of the cabin.
Just like Mohamed Atta’s passport. Inside job!
/
301 | efuseakay Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:48:22am |
re: #286 sattv4u2
Not too embarrassing though. I don’t think the authorities have definitively stated it is (was) Dorner, only that the body has been taken to the morgue for ID
If it isn’t, then someone else died there that wasn’t exactly a “model citizen”
Very true, but you know how “TeamDorner” would be spinning this!
302 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:49:13am |
re: #278 HappyWarrior
Yep, very true. There’s always going to be someone out there hollering and hollering that space aliens invented donuts to fatten humans up but you’re right, it’s when CTers have political power that they’re a problem because they have actual influence on policy.
To take a good example, climate change deniers are conspiracy theorists. They probably don’t think of themselves as such, but it’s what they are: they believe that 99% of the climatologists on earth, every scientific body, every major government on earth are either deliberately lying about global warming, or lying about the amount of scientific certitude we have that global warming exists.
Yet you’ll probably find global warming deniers mocking other people for being conspiracy theorists on other topics. Sometimes people don’t think things through, and so wind up being accidental conspiracy theorists.
303 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:49:46am |
re: #300 Killgore Trout
Just like Mohamed Atta’s passport. Inside job!
/
I hear all the Jewish people were e-mailed not to be around Bear Mountain yesterday!!!
/
304 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:50:43am |
re: #302 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
To take a good example, climate change deniers are conspiracy theorists. They probably don’t think of themselves as such, but it’s what they are: they believe that 99% of the climatologists on earth, every scientific body, every major government on earth are either deliberately lying about global warming, or lying about the amount of scientific certitude we have that global warming exists.
Yet you’ll probably find global warming deniers mocking other people for being conspiracy theorists on other topics. Sometimes people don’t think things through, and so wind up being accidental conspiracy theorists.
That is a good example and what I was thinking of too.
305 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:51:19am |
re: #297 sattv4u2
hmmmm, I would assume he had his license on him (as opposed to placing it aside on a table or something) and if the body was burned beyond recognition I would imagine a piece of plastic (his license) would have melted
Maybe,, maybe not
Christopher Dorner’s wallet found in burned-out cabin, sources say
Investigators were picking through the rubble of a burned-out cabin in California’s San Bernardino Mountains on Wednesday, trying to piece together details of the violent last stand for a fugitive former Los Angeles police officer whose life apparently ended hours earlier in a barrage of bullets and blazing fire.
The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office said charred human remains were found in the rubble where Christopher Dorner is said to have been cornered Tuesday. “We have reason to believe that it is him,” sheriff’s spokeswoman Cynthia Bachman said.
A wallet with a California driver’s license bearing the name Christopher Dorner also was found, the Associated Press reported, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but declined to be named because of the ongoing probe.
306 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:52:25am |
re: #305 NJDhockeyfan
I guess he had a flame retardant wallet!!
Image: fire_resistant_wallet.jpg
307 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:55:03am |
re: #306 sattv4u2
I guess he had a flame retardant wallet!!
Any fireman will tell you fires are weird. They go in paths, in lanes, you’ll find totally unburned things right next to incinerated stuff.
In other happy news, a ton of arson investigators are completely unscientific and tons of arson cases are now being shown to be suspect to do the lack rigor.
308 | efuseakay Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:56:11am |
re: #302 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
To take a good example, climate change deniers are conspiracy theorists. They probably don’t think of themselves as such, but it’s what they are: they believe that 99% of the climatologists on earth, every scientific body, every major government on earth are either deliberately lying about global warming, or lying about the amount of scientific certitude we have that global warming exists.
Yet you’ll probably find global warming deniers mocking other people for being conspiracy theorists on other topics. Sometimes people don’t think things through, and so wind up being accidental conspiracy theorists.
Yup. Cryosat really is a conspiracy!
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]
309 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:57:24am |
{{yawn}}
Don’t like working the overnight shift. Just as it gets going here my eyelids start slamming shut
Hitting the hay soon
310 | dragonfire1981 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:58:33am |
You know, Dorner’s not a dumbass. I wouldn’t be surprised if he left that wallet there on purpose to throw off investigators.
311 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:58:38am |
re: #270 darthstar
Dorner’s supporters - all twelve of them, can go fuck themselves. The fact that they have people (like yourself) watching them to see what they’ll do, say or…heaven forbid…tweet! is even more embarrassing to our phylum.
A+ post, would quote and upding again.
312 | dragonfire1981 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:00:37am |
re: #309 sattv4u2
{{yawn}}
Don’t like working the overnight shift. Just as it gets going here my eyelids start slamming shut
Hitting the hay soon
I feel you. I work a night shift job at a casino that typically either has me working from 2 am to somewhere between 10 am and 12 noon or 4 am to somewhere between 12 noon and 2ish.
Afternoon naps have become my friend. The hours aren’t ideal BUT it’s great having my afternoons free for appointments and such during the week and also being able to attend events in the evening so long as I take the aforementioned nap.
313 | erik_t Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:02:08am |
re: #310 dragonfire1981
You know, Dorner’s not a dumbass. I wouldn’t be surprised if he left that wallet there on purpose to throw off investigators.
Extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence, Occam’s Razor, etc.
It’s possible, but I would be surprised if it were the case. The fact that he went to an isolated place like Big Bear Lake in the first place isn’t really indicative of a scheming mastermind.
314 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:02:52am |
From George Takei’s FB page:
315 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:03:16am |
re: #313 erik_t
Nor is writing a manifesto and delivering it. If they hadn’t had a clue who he was, this’d be a fuckload worse. We can thank his vanity.
316 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:06:20am |
Some on the ground footage
Christopher Dorner Shootout Footage: Reporter Carter Evans Captures Raw Video Of Firefight (VIDEO)
317 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:08:18am |
re: #277 Feline Fearless Leader
I’d also note that it’s flagged in the Bahamas, which allows them to avoid all sorts of US safety regulations.
318 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:10:01am |
None of them ships fly under American flags.
319 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:11:40am |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Some on the ground footage
Christopher Dorner Shootout Footage: Reporter Carter Evans Captures Raw Video Of Firefight (VIDEO)
Your linky frozed up my puter
YOU’RE IN ON TEH KORNSPIRACY!!!
320 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:13:58am |
re: #319 sattv4u2
Your linky frozed up my puter
YOU’RE IN ON TEH KORNSPIRACY!!!
The video player is buggy on that one. It took me a couple tries to get it working.
321 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:14:21am |
Flying the Flag, Fleeing the State
But maritime lawlessness isn’t confined to pirates. Thanks to a system of ship registration called “flags of convenience,” it is all too easy for unscrupulous ship owners to get away with criminal behavior. They have evaded prosecution for environmental damage like oil spills, as well as poor labor conditions, forcing crews to work like slaves without adequate pay or rest. But unlike piracy, which seems intractable, the appalling conditions on some merchant ships could be stopped.
Ships used to fly the flags of their nation. They were floating pieces of their home country on ungovernable seas, with all the advantages and disadvantages of government oversight: if things went wrong, seafarers were protected by their governments. If they did wrong, they could be punished.
But in the early 20th century, this began to change. Panama, seeking to attract American ships avoiding Prohibition laws, allowed non-Panamanians to fly its flag, for a fee. Liberia and other countries followed suit. Today these “open registries” are used by over 60 percent of shippers, up from 4 percent in the 1950s.
Under the flags of convenience system, registries have been divorced from government oversight. North Korea has a thriving registry, as does landlocked Mongolia. Liberia’s registry, the second-largest in the world, flourished even during a dozen years of civil war. Some registries allow ship owners to change the flags they’re registered under within 48 hours; some require little more than a signature or an online form from an owner. Many don’t require owners to disclose their identities at all.
322 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:15:42am |
re: #312 dragonfire1981
I feel you. I work a night shift job at a casino that typically either has me working from 2 am to somewhere between 10 am and 12 noon or 4 am to somewhere between 12 noon and 2ish.
Afternoon naps have become my friend. The hours aren’t ideal BUT it’s great having my afternoons free for appointments and such during the week and also being able to attend events in the evening so long as I take the aforementioned nap.
I used to make the transition from day>nights>days easier. Would take about a week to adjust my body clock (we typically do 3 or 4 months of days followed by the same of overnights)
Now that I’m aged, it takes forever to adjust, and just as I do, it’s back to the other shift!
{sigh}
323 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:15:47am |
Memo to idiot client: Tying the hands of my project manager then getting pissed off at her for not managing your project is a dick move. It’s like hiring a chef then getting pissed off at him because you didn’t give him a kitchen and utensils to work with.
Moron.
324 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:16:09am |
re: #306 sattv4u2
I guess he had a flame retardant wallet!!
““If the wallet did burn I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever burned a wallet. I do believe that it defies physics that the cabin which burned in on itself—it is impossible for a cabin to burn a wallet without explosives being involved. It would be the first time in history a wallet was burned by fire. It is physically impossible.”
~Rosie O’Donnell
326 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:18:21am |
re: #311 Lidane
A+ post, would quote and upding again.
Thanks…I know he’s “only posting links” and isn’t really a gore-whore himself (he just likes following gore-whores to see what they’ll say next), but looking for a major conspiracy in a local law enforcement incident is just silly.
327 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:18:43am |
re: #317 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Carnival’s just glad that the ship still floats. Passenger comfort takes a back seat, and they’ll hang their hat on the fact that the fire suppression systems worked as they should to prevent a bigger catastrophe.
It doesn’t mean that the cruise ship industry should breath a sigh of relief. It just highlights that the cruise ships can and do have big problems when the main power systems go down and the backups really don’t have the capacity to handle the loads (literally and figuratively).
And how to get them to address that problem is something that the IMO will have to address.
328 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:19:12am |
re: #279 Amory Blaine
Setting fire to the house may be acceptable. If they are 199% positive no on else is in there with him.
I’m pretty sure that if I owned the house and all the stuff inside it, my legal team and I would have a different view.
329 | Bear Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:21:33am |
re: #321 Amory Blaine
Can only vessels built in the US be registered as a US flagged vessel?
330 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:22:33am |
331 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:22:48am |
re: #324 NJDhockeyfan
Because when I think of scientific authorities, Rosie O’Donnell is the first name that comes to mind. ///
The actual #StateOfTheUnion: Science Illiteracy is rampant among American adults.— Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) February 13, 2013
332 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:23:56am |
I asked Boehner’s office to back up claim minimum wage kills jobs. Two cites: NFIB study & Forbes article: washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-lin…— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) February 13, 2013
333 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:24:42am |
re: #331 Lidane
I’m still holding that Pluto demotion against him. /
334 | erik_t Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:26:58am |
re: #327 lawhawk
It doesn’t mean that the cruise ship industry should breath a sigh of relief. It just highlights that the cruise ships can and do have big problems when the main power systems go down and the backups really don’t have the capacity to handle the loads (literally and figuratively).
Turns out shit goes sour when non-revenue tonnage is cut to the absolute bone to add another deck of luxury cabins, to the substantial detriment of passenger safety and comfort when things go wrong.
Who could have ever seen such a thing coming?!
335 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:27:34am |
Laser-like focus, etc. —
Richard Burr is asking Jack Lew about Benghazi, an incredibly pertinent issue for the next Treasury Secretary.— Travis Waldron (@Travis_Waldron) February 13, 2013
336 | A Mom Anon Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:28:13am |
A little OT FYI:
Mice can do extraordinary damage in the engine compartment of your car. I had made an appointment to get my oil changed at the dealership this morning and on the way there smoke started rolling out from under the hood. Fortunately I was only about a mile away from the dealership,but by the time I got there, there was no coolant left in the car. The early damage assessment is as follows:
Coolant line-chewed,coolant tank-chewed,firewall-chewed,fuel line-almost chewed through,top of one of the struts(plastic cap part)-chewed,battery insulation-chewed,wiring harness-partially chewed. And that’s just what can be seen without taking more of it apart. State Farm says I’m covered, but I won’t know for sure til an adjuster looks at it. What’s not covered is a freaking rental car, so I am sans wheels for at least a week.
The shop supervisor told me that placing moth balls inside the engine compartment will keep them away and to place some in a dish under the engine on the garage floor. I am scared to know how much this is going to end up costing, the mechanic working on my car said he had one come in last winter with nearly 10K of rodent damage and insurance wouldn’t cover it.
I hate today.
337 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:28:13am |
Wow, a liberal Godwin! Those are rare.
@saynotogop I can’t believe him favorable rankings were that high! He is another Adolph Hitler and his policies are worse!— Greg Ebeling (@ArmyDawg77) February 13, 2013
338 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:30:15am |
re: #331 Lidane
Because when I think of scientific authorities, Rosie O’Donnell is the first name that comes to mind. ///
Or anyone in the GOP.
Bam!
339 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:32:40am |
*headdesk*
.@gbmegafan Shouldn’t police (and all govt) be outgunned by citizens? Isn’t that what the founders would consider liberty? #tgdn #tcot #2A— RepublicanGangster (@RepGangster) February 13, 2013
Dear TGDN nutters,
You will never outgun the US government. Ever.
Deal with it.
No love,
Me
340 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:35:02am |
341 | erik_t Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:36:21am |
re: #339 Lidane
@RepGangster .@gbmegafan Shouldn’t police (and all govt) be outgunned by citizens? Isn’t that what the founders would consider liberty? #tgdn #tcot #2A
Look up the Whiskey Rebellion, you unbelievable fucking moron.
342 | chadu Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:36:40am |
Why aren’t the kidz at Tiger Beat On The Potomac ever at my poker table? Why don’t they come to my door every day to buy some magic beans? These cats ‘n kittens will buy almost anything. Take, for example, today’s extended rehabilitation of the unfortunate Marco Rubio, who went on TV without his stillsuit yesterday, but in whom Jonathan Martin sees the future Kwisatz Haderach anyway.
Love it!
343 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:47:49am |
Rubio really is just another typical Republican. And honestly I am sick of him equating President Obama’s policies with Fidel Castro’s when he invokes his own parents’ story. And from what I understand the elder Rubios emigrated before Castro took power.
344 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:50:03am |
re: #343 HappyWarrior
And his parents both benefit from programs that the GOP now wants to dismantle and otherwise end as we know it.
Rubio himself benefited from education programs that he’d now want to dismantle or otherwise reduce, ending that pathway to success for middle class Americans.
Pretty much, he’s found that ladder to success but is pulling it up behind him so no one else can follow.
345 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:50:56am |
Shit the Constitution was written in the first place because the Articles of Confederation was too weak. The founders didn’t like the government being too big or more importantly too distant (see the British parliament) but they didn’t oppose a functioning government. But yeah let’s act like the Founders wanted us to have unregulated gun ownership and would think it would be liberty for a fraction of the people to own an overwhelming majority of the guns.
346 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:51:38am |
re: #344 lawhawk
Pretty much, he’s found that ladder to success but is pulling it up behind him so no one else can follow.
Just like every other Republican. It’s “Fuck you, I got mine”, but in both English and Spanish.
347 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:52:21am |
re: #344 lawhawk
And his parents both benefit from programs that the GOP now wants to dismantle and otherwise end as we know it.
Rubio himself benefited from education programs that he’d now want to dismantle or otherwise reduce, ending that pathway to success for middle class Americans.
Pretty much, he’s found that ladder to success but is pulling it up behind him so no one else can follow.
As I said, he’s typical. He and his have benefited from the same programs his party either wants to weaken or in some case dismantle. Rubio’s a bullshit artist.
348 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:53:22am |
re: #346 Lidane
Just like every other Republican. It’s “Fuck you, I got mine”, but in both English and Spanish.
GOP minority outreach in 2013 ladies and gents. Sure, Marco Rubio has the same failed ideas and rhetoric of Mitt Romney but he’ll tell you it in English and Spanish. Isn’t that what you people want!
349 | iossarian Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:54:15am |
re: #348 HappyWarrior
+1 “you people” reference. Happy memories.
350 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:54:48am |
Armed police who stormed to a house after reports of a mortar gun discovered it was an Action Man toy.
Police wielding submachine guns raced to the home of Ian Driscoll, 43, after he posted a new profile picture on Facebook.
Mr Driscoll’s picture showed an Action Man plastic figure and in the background was a toy mortar gun, around six inches tall.
The mortar gun was next to a TV remote control clearly showing its small size but someone who saw it contacted police.
Five officers, including two armed with submachine guns, then arrived at his home in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire.
Mr Driscoll said after showing them the offending toy the police apologised and left - but still managed to ‘see the funny side’.
351 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:58:43am |
I had a cookie once. I HATED IT. Grumpy Cat cookies by @whippedbakeshop: twitpic.com/c3evyt— thinkgeek (@thinkgeek) February 13, 2013
352 | Amory Blaine Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:59:21am |
re: #351 Lidane
That is funny! I would bring these home.
353 | Interesting Times Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:00:48am |
re: #352 Amory Blaine
That is funny! I would bring these home.
Obama should have served some up to GOPers at the SOTU.
354 | wrenchwench Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:02:34am |
Dumb tweet:
Follow @fernandanyt for the latest updates on the #ChristopherDorner developments. She’s on the scene.— Dan Frosch (@djfrosch1) February 13, 2013
She’s six miles from the scene.
355 | Big Steve Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:02:57am |
re: #346 Lidane
Just like every other Republican…..
I am Republican and yes I feel I have worked hard to get what is mine but I don’t begrudge anyone else’s success either.
356 | wrenchwench Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:04:28am |
re: #355 Big Steve
I am Republican and yes I feel I have worked hard to get what is mine but I don’t begrudge anyone else’s success either.
One documented exception….
Can you say it in Spanish?
357 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:06:16am |
In Dorner rampage, Glenn Beck finds more proof that progressives are fomenting violence to provoke civil war: bit.ly/X3jyRR— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) February 13, 2013
358 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:06:34am |
359 | Gus Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:07:10am |
re: #350 NJDhockeyfan
Holy crap. How stupid. Just wait and you’ll soon see a bunch of weasels calling to ban these action figures. Derp.
360 | Gus Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:07:54am |
What’s the Dorner fan-club status on Twitter? I’m afraid to look.
361 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:08:06am |
362 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:09:34am |
re: #359 Gus
Holy crap. How stupid. Just wait and you’ll soon see a bunch of weasels calling to ban these action figures. Derp.
Next to be banned…Yosemite Sam cartoons.
363 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:09:51am |
re: #355 Big Steve
I am Republican and yes I feel I have worked hard to get what is mine but I don’t begrudge anyone else’s success either.
Meanwhile, all these elected Republicans go out of their way to ensure that every avenue that led to their success — student loans, government programs, etc. — are denied to anyone else.
It’s hypocrisy of the highest order.
364 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:10:22am |
re: #357 Lidane
Because a man who praises Jon Huntsman, George H.W and W. Bush in his writings is a progressive? And yes I know he praised Obama and I believe Clinton too but the idea of Dormer as a leftist or even progressive is laughable as fuck. And you know what even if he was, the idea that this “rproves” progressive violence is so laughable considering all the right wing nutjobs who have targeted people over the past few years. Not least of all Brevik, who many of them actually sympathize with.
365 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:11:55am |
re: #298 sattv4u2
:)
False report on Feb 7 about Dorner being sited at a hotel in San Diego. Nothing with that story indicating that it was anything more than a false report; e.g. not another criminal/fugative mistakenly thought to be Dorner.
366 | Big Steve Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:12:14am |
re: #356 wrenchwench
Yo soy Republicano y sí siento que he trabajado mucho para conseguir lo mío, pero yo no envidio a nadie el éxito tampoco.
367 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:12:58am |
re: #364 HappyWarrior
You’re trying to apply logic to Glenn Beck. Won’t work.
368 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:13:10am |
re: #363 Lidane
Meanwhile, all these elected Republicans go out of their way to ensure that every avenue that led to their success — student loans, government programs, etc. — are denied to anyone else.
It’s hypocrisy of the highest order.
Yeah, and don’t you just love Rick Santorum, he of the BA, MA, and law degree putting down university level education? All of those schools were public ones as well. Really, it’s this that drives me nuts about elected Republicans. Many of them benefited directly from the same programs they want to weaken or destroy for people in my generation but they will tell you non stop about how student loans and stuff helped them out. Shit look at Paul Ryan the Ayn Rand fan who had his father’s social security benefits help pay for his college education. I don’t begrudge him at all for doing it but I do have a problem with the rank hypocrisy of it all.
369 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:13:23am |
A BUNCH OF UNEMPLOYED, WELFARE MOOCHING, FOOD STAMP TAKERS.
40 years, 55 million aborted. Who where they? Who would they have become? #prolife #ccot #tgdn #pjnet— Peter M. Abraham (@PeterMAbraham) February 13, 2013
370 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:15:29am |
No mention of drug war, at home or abroad, in #SOTU. 60,000 dead across the border is a vital nat’l security concern. #Mexico— Cato Foreign Policy (@CatoFP) February 13, 2013
CATO fail: Ignores that the President mentioned border security and that the number of border security guards exceeds the 20,000 level he set. Reduces illegal crossing to lowest levels in 40 years.
371 | wrenchwench Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:16:35am |
re: #366 Big Steve
Yo soy Republicano y sí siento que he trabajado mucho para conseguir lo mío, pero yo no envidio a nadie el éxito tampoco.
Not bad. Google Translate?
372 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:16:40am |
re: #336 A Mom Anon
A little OT FYI:
Mice can do extraordinary damage in the engine compartment of your car. I had made an appointment to get my oil changed at the dealership this morning and on the way there smoke started rolling out from under the hood. Fortunately I was only about a mile away from the dealership,but by the time I got there, there was no coolant left in the car. The early damage assessment is as follows:
Coolant line-chewed,coolant tank-chewed,firewall-chewed,fuel line-almost chewed through,top of one of the struts(plastic cap part)-chewed,battery insulation-chewed,wiring harness-partially chewed. And that’s just what can be seen without taking more of it apart. State Farm says I’m covered, but I won’t know for sure til an adjuster looks at it. What’s not covered is a freaking rental car, so I am sans wheels for at least a week.The shop supervisor told me that placing moth balls inside the engine compartment will keep them away and to place some in a dish under the engine on the garage floor. I am scared to know how much this is going to end up costing, the mechanic working on my car said he had one come in last winter with nearly 10K of rodent damage and insurance wouldn’t cover it.
I hate today.
Might need to borrow b sharp’s armed weasels.
373 | Gus Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:17:33am |
re: #362 NJDhockeyfan
Next to be banned…Yosemite Sam cartoons.
Wait? You mean they’re not banned already? I’m sure someone finds it offensive!
374 | CuriousLurker Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:17:45am |
Sorry for going OT, but this cracked me up so I made it into a Page: When Diplomats Go Wild: High-Five Causes Outrage in Iran, Germany
*facepalm*
375 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:17:59am |
Police: Wife kills member of 1979 Final Four team
PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A member of the University of Pennsylvania’s 1979 Final Four team was fatally stabbed by his wife, who told police she had caught him looking at child pornography, according to court documents.
Matthew White was found stabbed in the neck around 12:45 p.m. Monday in bed at his home, police said, and was pronounced dead a short time later. An officer responding to the home for a report of a stabbing found White’s wife, Maria Rey Garcia-Pellon, as she pulled into the driveway, authorities said. As she was being taken into custody, according to a police affidavit, she said, “I caught him looking at pornography, young girls. I love kids. I had to do it.”
376 | A Mom Anon Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:18:06am |
re: #369 Vicious Babushka
OK,I hear this number (40-60 million, depending on the wingnut) all the time from anti-choicers. Where is that statistic from? Do doctors report every abortion to some sort of data gathering body? Would that number include spontaneous abortions too?
377 | Gus Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:18:29am |
Oops. My bad. It’s reported by the Daily Mail. I better wait until MSNBC reports this.
//
379 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:19:21am |
re: #373 Gus
Wait? You mean they’re not banned already? I’m sure someone finds it offensive!
Is there anything in the world that doesn’t offend someone?
381 | A Mom Anon Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:20:14am |
re: #372 Feline Fearless Leader
Only if they don’t like the taste of various and sundry automotive pieces parts.
382 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:20:23am |
383 | Gus Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:20:28am |
re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
Is there anything in the world that doesn’t offend someone?
As longs as it meets a certain political criteria? Not much.
384 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:20:36am |
re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
Is there anything in the world that doesn’t offend someone?
6 billion plus people. There’s bound to be something.Err what I mean is chances are with 6 billion plus people that someone’s going to find something to be offended over no matter how trivial it is.
385 | wrenchwench Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:20:55am |
re: #370 lawhawk
CATO fail: Ignores that the President mentioned border security and that the number of border security guards exceeds the 20,000 level he set. Reduces illegal crossing to lowest levels in 40 years.
And I don’t think 60,000 dead across the border is a security threat to the US. Even if it is, as some say, more like 80,000. CATO’s problem with it is probably the billions we’re spending there to upgrade Mexico’s justice system and help them fight the cartels.
But CATO probably agrees with me that the drug was is stupid.
386 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:21:57am |
re: #381 A Mom Anon
Only if they don’t like the taste of various and sundry automotive pieces parts.
Weasel: Nice garage you got here. Pity if something were to happen to it, if you know what I mean.
387 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:22:05am |
re: #385 wrenchwench
And I don’t think 60,000 dead across the border is a security threat to the US. Even if it is, as some say, more like 80,000. CATO’s problem with it is probably the billions we’re spending there to upgrade Mexico’s justice system and help them fight the cartels.
But CATO probably agrees with me that the drug was is stupid.
They do agree about the drug war being stupid part.
388 | wrenchwench Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:23:02am |
re: #387 HappyWarrior
They do agree about the drug war being stupid part.
Yeah, it’s the one thing I can’t argue with libertarians about.
389 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:23:03am |
re: #374 CuriousLurker
Sorry for going OT, but this cracked me up so I made it into a Page: When Diplomats Go Wild: High-Five Causes Outrage in Iran, Germany
*facepalm*
I took the FSOE for that shit? I mean granted I took the American one obviously and not the Iranian or German one but really?
390 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:23:17am |
re: #376 A Mom Anon
OK,I hear this number (40-60 million, depending on the wingnut) all the time from anti-choicers. Where is that statistic from? Do doctors report every abortion to some sort of data gathering body? Would that number include spontaneous abortions too?
Wingnuts have a whole bunch of “numbers” that they accept on faith, such as: “11,629 people added to Food Stamps EVERY SINGLE DAY.” This just seemed so weirdly specific that I Googled it and one of the first sites to come up was Stormfront.
391 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:23:42am |
re: #388 wrenchwench
Yeah, it’s the one thing I can’t argue with libertarians about.
Same. The fun part about dealing with libertarians is they make me feel like a pragmatist when I am still an idealist at heart.
393 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:25:13am |
re: #373 Gus
Wait? You mean they’re not banned already? I’m sure someone finds it offensive!
Sadly he’s been toned down and last I saw he rarely ever has his guns on him. It’s also rare to see a road runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoon given how “violent” they are. The only way to get good Looney Toons cartoons anymore is to buy the collections.
394 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:25:44am |
CATO’s shocked that a president didn’t mention the Drug War. Again libertarians have that gift of making me feel pragmatic. I hate the Drug War too but I’m realistic.
395 | Gus Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:26:20am |
re: #393 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Sadly he’s been toned down and last I saw he rarely ever has his guns on him. It’s also rare to see a road runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoon given how “violent” they are. The only way to get good Looney Toons cartoons anymore is to buy the collections.
Of course. Cartoons cause gun violence! Derp.
396 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:27:45am |
re: #393 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Sadly he’s been toned down and last I saw he rarely ever has his guns on him. It’s also rare to see a road runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoon given how “violent” they are. The only way to get good Looney Toons cartoons anymore is to buy the collections.
We also have YouTube.
397 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:28:11am |
re: #392 Gus
No mention of ____________________ .
Outrage!
Did you notice? Pres. Obama didn’t mention Chris Kyle’s name this week. And he didn’t refer to him in the State of Dis-Union. #tcot #TGDN— Doc Jerry K (@Doc_JJK) February 13, 2013
398 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:28:17am |
re: #393 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Sadly he’s been toned down and last I saw he rarely ever has his guns on him. It’s also rare to see a road runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoon given how “violent” they are. The only way to get good Looney Toons cartoons anymore is to buy the collections.
Yea, they censored everything after making the connection between Bugs Bunny and consumption of sleeping pills. As well as the sudden increase in hunting accidents on the day that rabbit season turned into duck season without any overlap.
;)
399 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:28:40am |
re: #393 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Sadly he’s been toned down and last I saw he rarely ever has his guns on him. It’s also rare to see a road runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoon given how “violent” they are. The only way to get good Looney Toons cartoons anymore is to buy the collections.
All the good ones were made before 1955 anyway. Are any of those still broadcast on TV?
400 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:28:51am |
Damn what is Loony Toons without Yosemite Sam? I always liked Daffy. He’s a stubborn sob which made him and me one and the same.
401 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:28:55am |
NRA’s LaPierre to respond to Obama’s #SOTU on Thursday: bit.ly/WJi94E— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) February 13, 2013
402 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:30:04am |
re: #397 Vicious Babushka
And if he had mentioned him, people like this guy would be accusing POTUS of “exploiting Kyle’s death for political reasons.” Really, it’s a State of the Union address, not “name everything that’s happened in the past 2 months” speech.
403 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:32:10am |
404 | Gus Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:33:40am |
2.13.39 TIME mag on Hitler’s Reichstag address “one of the most sensational and threatening talks ever made…” #Holocaust #onthisday— LAMOTH (@HolocaustDiary) February 13, 2013
Imagine if the Japanese didn’t attack Pearl Harbor?
405 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:34:31am |
re: #397 Vicious Babushka
If they had, then they would have complained that he was busy making his death a political one - and that wasn’t right.
406 | darthstar Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:36:20am |
re: #350 NJDhockeyfan
Admit it…you only read that paper for the pics of hot asses.
Image: article-2239722-163FAE1F000005DC-975_634x610.jpg
Story here:
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
407 | HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:36:44am |
re: #404 Gus
Imagine if the Japanese didn’t attack Pearl Harbor?
Shit even then. It arguably took Pearl Harbor and Hitler stupidly declaring war on the US following our declaration of war on Japan.
408 | Lidane Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:38:02am |
Another sign that I’m getting older — Henry Rollins is 52 today:
My 52nd birthday started with this fantastic cake by Heidi May. How lucky can a man be? twitter.com/henryrollins/s…— henryrollins (@henryrollins) February 13, 2013
409 | Gus Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:42:00am |
re: #406 darthstar
Admit it…you only read that paper for the pics of hot asses.
Image: article-2239722-163FAE1F000005DC-975_634x610.jpg
Story here:
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
Yeah, I’m sure the Huffington Post didn’t cover that.
410 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Feb 13, 2013 11:00:04am |
re: #406 darthstar
Admit it…you only read that paper for the pics of hot asses.
Image: article-2239722-163FAE1F000005DC-975_634x610.jpg
Story here:
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
Gaaaaa!
411 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 13, 2013 11:57:35am |
re: #373 Gus
Wait? You mean they’re not banned already? I’m sure someone finds it offensive!
Almost nothing in the US is banned for being offensive. Except various forms of porn, even bafflingly including nudity on TV.
412 | BeenHereAwhile Wed, Feb 13, 2013 12:13:57pm |
re: #269 Vicious Babushka
Last night it was reported on CNN that “suspect attempted to leave the cabin and was driven back inside” (by hail of bullets). Since media was not allowed anywhere near the cabin, they were totally relying on what they were told by LE sources.
There were conflicting reports, such as “Suspect fired over 500 rounds” and “ammo dump ignited by fire” when it was impossible for Dorner to have carried that much ammo around while he was running through the woods.
An ammo can (840 rounds) of 5.56 X 45 weighs 29.5 lbs
413 | BeenHereAwhile Wed, Feb 13, 2013 12:25:53pm |
re: #251 Political Atheist
Seems to me that it’s fair to think the police started the fire, given the tear gas grenades. Which of course is supposed to drive a suspect out making a fire a moot point. Unless that thing lands in a bathtub, it will probably start a fire. Conspiracy? Laughable. A gunman that dangerous is going to get maximum force for safety of everyone around. I guess this tape will so into the same crappy blogs that already have the Davidian video and bs. Ruby Ridge etc.
During the Miami riots, the Miami PD started a lot of the fires which burned out businesses in the riot area, by throwing tear gas grenades into the buildings.
How do I know this?
Because I knew them and they bragged about doing it.
It was, “hey, look! These things get so hot they will start a fire.”
So then they drove around throwing tear gas canisters into buildings in areas where no riot action was taking place for amusement. Cop humor, because they knew that the rioters would get blamed for all the fires.