National Review Goes for Some “War on Women” Turnspeak

Words, do you speak them?
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This is a good one. Always searching for some kind of way to reverse the “War on Women” meme (because they know it’s so deadly accurate), the National Review tries to make something out of Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus’s statement that Sarah Palin has “a tart approach.”

Of course, it couldn’t be more obvious that Marcus was using the word like this:

tart 3 |tärt|
adjective
sharp or acid in taste: a tart apple.
• (of a remark or tone of voice) cutting, bitter, or sarcastic: I bit back a tart reply.

But with Sarah Palin’s boob jokes and double entendres, I guess I see why the National Review’s Andrew Johnson thought she meant this (even though it’s a noun, not an adjective):

tart 2 |tärt|
noun (informal, derogatory)
a prostitute or a promiscuous woman.

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278 comments
1 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:36:13pm

Englisch iz hard.

2 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:36:53pm

And Ruth Marcus is noted for her leadership of The Left and the Democratic Party. ///

3 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:37:39pm

National Review has as much credibility on women’s issues as they do on race.

Pfft.

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:38:33pm

Context? What’s that? We’ve got an magical balance fairy factory to run here folks!

5 Tigger2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:38:45pm

I think moronic approach would have summed up Palins speech and not caused that tart reference confusion NR has.

6 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:39:46pm

re: #1 freetoken

Englisch iz hard.

Their and there
They’re not the same

7 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:42:34pm

This is feeling like the lipstick on a pig remark Obama made in the 2008 campaign and NRO and other Palin synchopants were saying OHMG LIBERAL SEXISM. Of course, these are the same people who cosign off Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut and popularizing a term that compares feminists to Nazis.

8 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:44:27pm
tart 2 |tärt|
noun (informal, derogatory)
a prostitute or a promiscuous woman.

Also about as commonly used in modern parlance as “slattern” and “trollop”.

9 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:44:30pm

Wait…

Words can have more than one meaning?

Didn’t we go over that last night?

10 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:45:08pm

Goes on stage. Makes a boob joke. Continues to make jokes while slowly sucking down a Big Gulp through a straw… gets called a tart. Outrage. Right.

11 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:45:08pm

re: #8 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Also about as commonly used in modern parlance as “slattern” and “trollop”.

Harlot, Calamitous Jezzebelle!

12 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:46:22pm

re: #11 Kragar (Antichrist )

Harlot, Calamitous Jezzebelle!

Roundheels!

13 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:48:20pm

re: #10 Gus

Goes on stage. Makes a boob joke. Continues to make jokes while slowly sucking down a Big Gulp through a straw… gets called a tart. Outrage. Right.

Of course, if you point that out, you’re just a humorless liberal, if you call it what it is, tacky, you’re engaging in a war on women. To think that this woman was nearly one heartbeat away from being president, to think.

14 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:52:40pm

Ah, this has nothing to do with the speech. It’s about the Palin-Rove feud and it specifically is about Palin taking a “tart approach.” Tart as in “sharp or acid in taste.” So, let’s take a look at the word “tart” as it is used at NRO.

15 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:53:06pm

re: #6 HoosierHoops

Their and there
They’re not the same

Never mind that my son’s fifth grade English class teaches the difference between all three…

16 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:54:07pm

re: #14 Gus

Ah, this has nothing to do with the speech. It’s about the Palin-Rove feud and it specifically is about Palin taking a “tart approach.” Tart as in “sharp or acid in taste.” So, let’s take a look at the word “tart” as it is used at NRO.

“At Democracy in America, Will Wilkinson has a characteristically tart and well-observed critique of Rick Santorum’s new “economic freedom”
Obviously he was calling Santorum a slut.

17 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:54:20pm

Nothing to see here. Move along. Nontroversy.

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:55:10pm

Breitbart has a very small piece [see what I did there?] about Tucker Carlson & his thoughts about Sarah Palin:

Daily Called [sic] Editor-In-Chief TuckerCarlson chimed in on the very public back-and-forth between Sarah Palin and Karl Rove this morning on WMAL-DC’s Mornings on the Mall with Brian Wilson and Larry O’Connor.

When asked about the exchange Carlson said that Rove’s jab at Palin about not fulfilling her entire term as Governor of Alaska was “indisputably true.” He also said, “Sarah Palin is a good speaker and all that.. but, I’m not clear what Sarah Palin does, actually.”

breitbart.com

19 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:56:46pm

Virginia Postrel wrote a tart comment yesterday about Howard Dean’s support for a sweeping re-regulation of corporate America and some libertarians’ support for Dean…

War on women!

20 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:57:38pm

Some of the commentary about the reluctance of the military to employ force against Saddam is downright silly. For example, the New York Times’s tart-tongued Maureen Dowd, accused the Bush administration of a “civilian coup” against the military during the Crawford meeting in August. One can only be astounded at the liberals’ newfound fondness for the military. Of course, perhaps she really does understand the Constitution differently than the rest of us

War on women!

21 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:57:47pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

Breitbart has a very small piece [see what I did there?] about Tucker Carlson & his thoughts about Sarah Palin:

Daily Called [sic] Editor-In-Chief TuckerCarlson chimed in on the very public back-and-forth between Sarah Palin and Karl Rove this morning on WMAL-DC’s Mornings on the Mall with Brian Wilson and Larry O’Connor.

When asked about the exchange Carlson said that Rove’s jab at Palin about not fulfilling her entire term as Governor of Alaska was “indisputably true.” He also said, “Sarah Palin is a good speaker and all that.. but, I’m not clear what Sarah Palin does, actually.”

I am not sure what she actually does either. Seems like her chief job is cheap attacks on Obama like when she acted like he was terrible for not attending that decorated sniper’s funeral. It never occured to her that the family may not want to have to deal with the security detail that having POTUS in attendance would entail. Or sometimes she’s just weird when she’s telling people to drink Sam Adams and think of Sam Adams on St. Patrick’s Day.

22 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:59:47pm

Derp.

23 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:00:17pm
24 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:01:43pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Well, she is allegedly putting out a book celebrating the War on Christmeth, but, other than that, seems like she just jumps out from under her rock to toss disconnected red meat to her dwindling fan base whenever her family slushfund PAC balance starts to diminish.

25 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:02:29pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, she is allegedly putting out a book celebrating the War on Christmeth, but, other than that, seems like she just jumps out from under her rock to toss disconnected red meat to her dwindling fan base whenever her family slushfund PAC balance starts to diminish.

Her next stunt will be standing in a lake distributing swords to indicate the next chosen GOP candidate.
//

26 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:03:20pm

I have been beyond busy the past couple of days but I did want to get around to commenting on McCain’s loss to Obama and the impact Sarah Palin had.

I don’t think Palin was the best VP choice, but that aside it’s important to note that ANY GOP candidate would have been facing long odds to win in 2008.

They economy had JUST gone into a tailspin that at the time many Americans pinned on George W. Bush and his policies, that alone would have given a big boost to any Democratic candidate.

But then you have Barack Obama who was something new, something different, something fresh.

In the 2008 vote Americans wanted change in so many ways. They wanted progress, they wanted a stronger economy, they wanted to make a bold statement that the country was moving into the 21st century.

Off the top of my head I can’t think of any Republican candidate that would have had a chance in 2008 against Obama. Not one.

27 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:03:32pm

Apparently they threw out their dictionary over at NRO.

28 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:03:58pm

re: #23 Gus

And here’s an example of what the National Review really thinks of women, rape survivors especially:

Military-Sexual-Trauma Syndrome

Feminists claim (speciously) that a whopping one-quarter of college co-eds are sexually assaulted by their fellow students in college; I am not aware of comparable claims that huge numbers of female college graduates are as a result ending up on the street. (The difference between the outcomes for college graduates and vets does not lie in the relative availability of services: College rape crisis centers and hotlines are barely used.) I am not even aware of claims that victims of stranger rape are more likely to end up dealing drugs and homeless, but that evidence may in fact be out there. (I recently wrote about a tough-as-nails, pro-police building superintendent in the Bronx who was raped three times, including by her mother’s boyfriend as a child; she is only one case, obviously, but she was not on disability benefits or on the streets.)

But let’s say that for these homeless female vets, it really was their sexual experiences in the military that caused their downward spiral into, as the Times puts it, “alcohol and substance abuse, depression and domestic violence.” Why then have those same feminists who are now lamenting the life-destroying effects of “MST” insisted on putting women into combat units?

(Derp * Evil)99

29 ramex  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:04:43pm

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

Are you calling her a watery tart?

30 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:05:10pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

And here’s an example of what the National Review really thinks of women, rape survivors especially:

Military-Sexual-Trauma Syndrome

(Derp * Evil)99

Yeah but Ruth Marcus called Sarah Palin’s speech “tart” so it’s all good.//

31 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:06:11pm

Steubenville rape victim receives death threats

Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla was in contact with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation on Monday investigating death threats made against a rape victim in Steubenville.

Abdalla first learned of threats on Twitter Sunday afternoon, hours after the verdict came down against two teenage boys.

WTRF’s Jamie Ward is in Steubenville talking with Abdalla about this investigation on Monday.

Both teens are to be committed to the Department of Youth Services for minimum of 1 year. Trent Mays received two years to be served consecutively. Ma’Lik Richmond will serve one year, according to Judge Lipps. He said both can be held until they are 21. Mays, who’s 17, was sentenced to an additional year in jail on a charge of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material, to be served after his rape sentence is completed.

32 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:07:02pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Steubenville rape victim receives death threats

I hate people sometimes, I really do.

33 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:08:27pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Steubenville rape victim receives death threats

She’s going to have to go into a witness protection program to save her from high school football fans. What a sick fucking country this has become.

34 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:13:07pm

re: #33 Skip Intro

She’s going to have to go into a witness protection program to save her from high school football fans. What a sick fucking country this has become.

Let’s not forget how fox news so helpfully informed the death-threat-makers:

Fox News Airs Name Of 16-Year-Old Steubenville Rape Victim

35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:16:33pm

re: #34 Interesting Times

Let’s not forget how fox news so helpfully informed the death-threat-makers:

Fox News Airs Name Of 16-Year-Old Steubenville Rape Victim

Tell me that wasn’t the plan all along.

36 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:17:41pm
37 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:19:51pm

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38 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:19:58pm

re: #1 freetoken

Englisch iz hard.

I keep saying - context matters and the far right just has no grasp of how it works.

39 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:20:01pm

re: #34 Interesting Times

re: #35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Most likely, everyone who cares is local and already knew. it’s still an outrage, but hey—Fox.

40 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:20:17pm

re: #35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Tell me that wasn’t the plan all along.

It gets better worse:

What’s more, an AP story on the trial that ran on FoxNews.com had the the accusers’ names edited out. And editor’s note at the end of the piece read, “The Associated Press named the minors charged due to the fact they have been identified in other news coverage and their names were used in open court. FoxNews.com will not name the defendants.” That Fox News showed such undue respect to these convicted rapists, and then felt free to destroy the privacy of their accuser, is reprehensible.

41 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:20:40pm

re: #6 HoosierHoops

Their and there
They’re not the same

Your kidding me.

42 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:22:04pm

re: #9 Kragar (Antichrist )

Wait…

Words can have more than one meaning?

Didn’t we go over that last night?

They could have concluded Palin was being called a pastry.

43 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:23:20pm

re: #42 b_sharp

They could have concluded Palin was being called a pastry.

Sugary with no real nutritional content.

44 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:24:52pm

Image: Sarah_Palin_and_Her_Big_Derp.jpg

45 stabby  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:25:42pm

re: #8 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Also about as commonly used in modern parlance as “slattern” and “trollop”.

You miss that the uptight fogies on Republican sites use tart.. and slattern… and trollop…

46 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:25:46pm

re: #42 b_sharp

They could have concluded Palin was being called a pastry.

If her 1st name was Claire and it was done via the web would that make her an E-Claire??

47 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:25:51pm

re: #27 Gus

Apparently they threw out their dictionary over at NRO.

I suspect they know the different meanings, but it tells us something about the author that his/her first assumption was that it meant cheap floozy. It’s easy to see where that head was resting.

48 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:27:00pm

re: #47 b_sharp

It’s easy to see where that head was resting.

On a rack, on a rack.

49 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:27:16pm

re: #46 sattv4u2

If her 1st name was Claire and it was done via the web would that make her an E-Claire??

I know berliners, and she’s no berliner.

50 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:27:27pm

re: #47 b_sharp

I suspect they know the different meanings, but it tells us something about the author that his/her first assumption was that it meant cheap floozy. It’s easy to see where that head was resting.

Hey. Don’t knock resting your head on a cheap floozy!!
/

51 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:27:30pm

re: #47 b_sharp

I suspect they know the different meanings, but it tells us something about the author that his/her first assumption was that it meant cheap floozy. It’s easy to see where that head was resting.

The sense of victimization must be perpetuated. There’s an entire para-economy dependent on it.

52 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:27:34pm

re: #34 Interesting Times

Let’s not forget how fox news so helpfully informed the death-threat-makers:

Fox News Airs Name Of 16-Year-Old Steubenville Rape Victim

What incredible shitheads.

I mean that in the nicest way.

53 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:27:42pm

Image: Big-Derp-2.jpg

54 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:28:25pm

re: #35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Tell me that wasn’t the plan all along.

Wingnuts think her name is Jane Doe, and all the networks revealed it.

No, I am not kidding.

55 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:29:14pm

re: #54 Skip Intro

Wingnuts think her name is Jane Doe, and all the networks revealed it.

Wonder how many death threats Ms. Doe gets.

56 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:29:43pm

re: #53 Gus

Image: Big-Derp-2.jpg

Your GOP Presidential dream candidate.

57 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:30:01pm

Off topic… but given the increasing re-examination into what the Iraq War was all about, it doesn’t surprise me that Deulfer runs to the usual outlets to cover his ass:

No Books Were Cooked

Deulfer is trying real hard to convince us (or himself?) that it wasn’t GWB’s fault that the latter misled everyone.

58 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:30:33pm

re: #56 Kragar (Antichrist )

Your GOP Presidential dream candidate.

I wonder how much she got paid for that endorsement?

59 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:30:34pm

re: #56 Kragar (Antichrist )

Your GOP Presidential dream candidate.

Night-mare.

60 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:31:05pm

Me,,,”Honey. It’s started to rain. I won’t be able to start pressure washing the deck”
Her,,”That’s okay. You can start taking off the old wallpaper in the master bathroom”!


DRATS ,,,, Another day off,,,foiled again

61 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:31:14pm

re: #58 Skip Intro

I wonder how much she got paid for that endorsement?

More than she’s worth, no doubt.

62 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:31:44pm

re: #60 sattv4u2

Me,,,”Honey. It’s started to rain. I won’t be able to start pressure washing the deck”
Her,,”That’s okay. You can start taking off the old wallpaper in the master bathroom”!

DRATS ,,,, Another day off,,,foiled again

Use the pressure washer.

63 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:33:03pm

re: #62 b_sharp

Use the pressure washer.

Comes right off.

64 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:33:36pm

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Comes right off.

Soon followed by my wedding ring!!

65 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:34:01pm

“Honey,, I decided while I was at it, to knock that wall down!”

66 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:34:49pm

re: #64 sattv4u2

Soon followed by my wedding ring!!

Then you won’t have to shoot it off.

cbsnews.com

67 Virginia Plain  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:37:09pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Then you won’t have to shoot it off.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

Couldn’t he just go to the ER to have it cut off?

68 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:37:44pm

re: #67 Virginia Plain

Couldn’t he just go to the ER to have it cut off?

Seemed like a good idea at the time.

69 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:38:05pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Then you won’t have to shoot it off.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

helluva way to give his wife the finger!

70 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:38:49pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Right before he said “Hold my beer. I’m going to try something”

71 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:38:58pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

helluva way to give his wife the finger!

You should have been at his son’s bris.

72 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:39:00pm

That sound you hear is Bryan Fischer popping a blood vessel:

73 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:39:05pm

Breitbart commenters are pretty sure that Barack Obama really is Satan.

breitbart.com

74 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:39:15pm
75 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:39:38pm

re: #36 Lidane

Yeah how terrible that we do Rush. If only we cared more about limiting people’s civil liberties and rights like you do then we’d be real Americans./

76 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:41:42pm

re: #74 Gus

Fuck the corporate media with a [redacted].

77 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:43:32pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

You should have been at his son’s bris.

“Hold my beer. I’m going to try something”

78 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:44:40pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Breitbart commenters are pretty sure that Barack Obama really is Satan.

[Link: www.breitbart.com…]

Just like WND.

Hmmm… indeed, the whole Breitbart empire now is like WND.

79 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:45:06pm

re: #29 ramex

Are you calling her a watery tart?

That moistened bint? Yeah.

80 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:45:59pm

re: #78 freetoken

Just like WND.

Hmmm… indeed, the whole Breitbart empire now is like WND.

NRO will get there eventually.

81 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:46:34pm
82 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:47:23pm

re: #74 Gus

Kilgore may be on to something here.

83 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:47:24pm

At least Ruth Marcus didn’t quote Shakespeare.

From A&C:

(Cleopatra.) …
 But there’s no goodness in thy face: if Antony
Be free and healthful,—so tart a favour
To trumpet such good tidings! …

For Palin to give us so many opportunities for jokes… is so tart a favor.

84 Tigger2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:48:07pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Breitbart commenters are pretty sure that Barack Obama really is Satan.

[Link: www.breitbart.com…]

Morons

85 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:48:53pm

Are we sure she said “tart approach” and not “tard approach”? That would be more fitting.

86 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:49:58pm

re: #33 Skip Intro

She’s going to have to go into a witness protection program to save her from high school football fans. What a sick fucking country this has become.

All the major news organizations played footage that included her name, too. They should all be fined heavily for that, at the least.

87 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:50:13pm

re: #81 Kragar (Antichrist )

So basically, we should have gone into Iraq, blown it all to shit, killed Saddam, then left the Iraqis to deal with our actions.

Brilliant plan, hoss. Tell me more. What’s next? Nuking Syria and letting Damascus deal with the fallout?

88 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:52:05pm

Image: Newt-Satan.jpg

89 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:52:31pm

re: #81 Kragar (Antichrist )

With long-term thinking like that, he obviously should be teaching counterinsurgency theory at West Point. Too bad they’re too “feminized” for him. They could benefit from his flawless vision.

90 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:52:33pm

*headdesk*

91 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:54:42pm

re: #88 Gus

Desaturate the face a bit, make it darker by a shade or two, just like Burnett did.

92 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:56:14pm

re: #90 Lidane

*headdesk*

M-M-M-MONSTER DERP!!!

Evening Lizardim.

93 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:57:04pm

re: #72 Lidane

That sound you hear is Bryan Fischer popping a blood vessel:

Bell has already been declared a heretic for his criticism of the fundamentalist belief in hell. Now he’s OK with teh gay. Take those two precious beliefs away from many Christians and they won’t have anything left. That should tell you something about the substance of their faith system. If teh gay are OK and most people aren’t going to burn in hell fire for eternity then what Meaning Does Life Have?

/

94 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:57:10pm

The Houston Chronicle runs a story on the Obama-Satan thing… the comments are telling:

‘Bible’ producers dismiss Obama-Satan connection

95 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:57:54pm

re: #93 Bulworth

Yeah, I was going to write that the True Christians already have decided that Bell is not one of them.

96 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:58:49pm

So, Houston Chron has to delete a lot of comments.

Even WND is having to delete a lot of comments… and what does it take to get a comment deleted at WND?

97 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:58:51pm

re: #95 freetoken

Yeah, I was going to write that the True Christians already have decided that Bell is not one of them.

The “True” Christians are going to be in for one hell of a rude awakening (pardon the pun) when they get where they’re going.

98 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:59:02pm

re: #91 freetoken

Desaturate the face a bit, make it darker by a shade or two, just like Burnett did.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:59:24pm

re: #93 Bulworth

Bell has already been declared a heretic for his criticism of the fundamentalist belief in hell. Now he’s OK with teh gay. Take those two precious beliefs away from many Christians and they won’t have anything left. That should tell you something about the substance of their faith system. If teh gay are OK and most people aren’t going to burn in hell fire for eternity then what Meaning Does Life Have?

/

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100 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:59:44pm

re: #98 Gus

Now we’re talking evil.

101 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:08:34pm

re: #60 sattv4u2

Me,,,”Honey. It’s started to rain. I won’t be able to start pressure washing the deck”
Her,,”That’s okay. You can start taking off the old wallpaper in the master bathroom”!

DRATS ,,,, Another day off,,,foiled again

HEH,,so I pry the mirror over my sink off the wall. (mirrors are 4 feet wide by 3 1/2 feet high)

Of course, some of the wallpaper came of with it. So I start to pull more pieces of and they’re coming off almost whole! If this keeps up, I may have all the paper off by dinner time!

102 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:11:27pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

HEH,,so I pry the mirror over my sink off the wall. (mirrors are 4 feet wide by 3 1/2 feet high)

Of course, some of the wallpaper came of with it. So I start to pull more pieces of and they’re coming off almost whole! If this keeps up, I may have all the paper off by dinner time!

Is that what you’re having for dinner?

103 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:13:17pm

Where have all the monarchs gone?

Monarch Butterflies Hit New Low; “Worrisome” Trend

104 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:13:18pm

re: #102 b_sharp

Is that what you’re having for dinner?

Wallpaper paste makes an excellent gravy on mashed taters!

105 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:13:35pm

re: #87 Lidane

So basically, we should have gone into Iraq, blown it all to shit, killed Saddam, then left the Iraqis to deal with our actions.

Brilliant plan, hoss. Tell me more. What’s next? Nuking Syria and letting Damascus deal with the fallout?

Why not? After all, we’re (well some of us like Bryan are) all God’s representatives on earth, so we can do whatever the fuck we want, to whomever we want.

106 jaunte  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:15:41pm
Washington Post columnist dismisses Palin’s ‘tart approach’

She’s obviously more of a hoyden.

107 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:16:06pm
108 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:21:22pm

More on monarchs:

Animal Behaviour: Monarchs Catch a Cold

The spectacular migration of the Monarch from northeastern America to its overwintering grounds in Mexico requires the butterfly to set its time-compensated compass south in the autumn, then north in the spring for its return home. The stimulus responsible for compass resetting has been identified as a reduction in temperature.

Coldness Triggers Northward Flight in Remigrant Monarch Butterflies

Remigrant monarchs use a time-compensated sun compass to fly north in the spring;

Fall migrants prematurely exposed to overwintering-like coldness orient north;

Fall migrants without cold exposure during overwintering continue to orient south;

The overwintering thermal environment is necessary for successful migration.

109 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:21:23pm

re: #107 Gus

Wow. That’s some pretty spectacular career self-immolation there.

110 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:22:11pm

Michelle Shocked - Yes God is Real

Youtube Video

Michelle Shocked performed on 10/08/2006 at West Angeles Church of God in Christ, Bishop Charles E. Blake, Pastor - Note- Comments won’t be censored or deleted, but please, be mature and civilized if possible.

111 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:22:11pm

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

She’ll have a career on the church circuit.

112 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:22:59pm

re: #111 freetoken

She’ll have a career on the church circuit.

The Anita Bryant of the Twenty-First Century.

With hairy legs.

113 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:24:58pm

re: #107 Gus

Crom doesn’t give a damn about homosexuality, but hates bigoted assholes.

114 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:25:03pm

re: #107 Gus

Nice to see more hateful asshats come out of the closet.

Best we know who to avoid.

115 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:25:16pm
116 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:26:31pm

re: #107 Gus

She was also arrested at an Occupy rally.

I can’t wait to see the spin on this.

117 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:27:36pm

re: #116 Lidane

She was also arrested at an Occupy rally.

I can’t wait to see the spin on this.

Doesn’t seem like she’s spinning. That Tweet sure doesn’t look like spin. TRUTH! THANK YOU JESUS!

118 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:28:36pm

re: #117 Gus

Doesn’t seem like she’s spinning. That Tweet sure doesn’t look like spin. TRUTH! THANK YOU JESUS!

Not from her. From the usual gang of idiots. On the one hand, she’s an anti-gay bigot. On the other, ZOMG OWS.

119 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:29:18pm

re: #35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Tell me that wasn’t the plan all along.

I can’t do that.

120 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:30:04pm

re: #115 Gus

The TRUTH that the Bible is a centuries old collection of folklore from one tiny corner of the globe, and has about as much actual DIVINE WISDOM as a phone book?

121 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:30:15pm

re: #116 Lidane

She was also arrested at an Occupy rally.

I can’t wait to see the spin on this.

Maybe that’s where she met HIM!

Image: la-marathon-2013-01.jpg

122 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:30:28pm

re: #96 freetoken

…..what does it take to get a comment deleted at WND?

Facts

123 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:30:45pm

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

Wow. That’s some pretty spectacular career self-immolation there.

Before today, when was the last time you or anyone else talked about Michelle Shocked?

QED.

124 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:34:03pm

re: #123 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Before today, when was the last time you or anyone else talked about Michelle Shocked?

QED.

To be honest, it would’ve been the late 1980s or early 1990s.

Well, if she wanted people talking about her, beyond her fanbase, this’ll pretty much guarantee it.

125 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:36:11pm

re: #107 Gus

Michelle Shocked, known for living up to her surname, cleared out San Francisco club Yoshi’s last night, and shut down the venue, after she went on an anti-gay tirade, which she summed up by saying, ”You can go on Twitter and say ‘Michelle Shocked says God hates fags.’”

Please talk about me on social media and make me go viral for 15 more minutes please, I have a mortgage and it hasn’t been the 1990s for a lonnnnng time. Although I hear the dream’s still alive in Portland..

126 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:36:12pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

To be honest, it would’ve been the late 1980s or early 1990s.

Well, if she wanted people talking about her, beyond her fanbase, this’ll pretty much guarantee it.

But much of her fan base will probably desert her over this. If it was a career move, it was a damned stupid one.

127 Bear  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:36:28pm

Here is a story about a woman with what I believe has exceptional courage. I wonder just how many men or women would be able to do what she did? alaskadispatch.com

128 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:36:35pm

Michelle Shocked Tour Dates

Tour going all the way into October.

129 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:36:46pm

re: #74 Gus

The Ministry of Truth strikes again.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.

130 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:37:07pm

re: #125 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Please talk about me on social media and make me go viral for 15 more minutes please, I have a mortgage and it hasn’t been the 1990s for a lonnnnng time. Although I hear the dream’s still alive in Portland..

Right. But see #110.

131 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:40:06pm

re: #126 makeitstop

But much of her fan base will probably desert her over this. If it was a career move, it was a damned stupid one.

Prediction: she quits the music biz and gets recruited by the GOP to be the Fresh Young Face of the Nu-Perfekt Real America Republican™ Brand.

And a commentary gig on Fox News. She can replace Victoria Jackson as Token Entertainment Industry Wingnut.

132 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:40:47pm

re: #125 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Please talk about me on social media and make me go viral for 15 more minutes please, I have a mortgage and it hasn’t been the 1990s for a lonnnnng time. Although I hear the dream’s still alive in Portland..

The dream will always be alive in Portland. Keep Portland weird, dude!!

133 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:41:37pm

re: #131 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Prediction: she quits the music biz and gets recruited by the GOP to be the Fresh Young Face of the Nu-Perfekt Real America RepublicanTM Brand.

And a commentary gig on Fox News. She can replace Victoria Jackson as Token Entertainment Industry Wingnut.

“I’m fighting back against Big Ghey and Liberal Hollywood. Buy my new album.”

134 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:42:14pm

re: #96 freetoken

So, Houston Chron has to delete a lot of comments.

Even WND is having to delete a lot of comments… and what does it take to get a comment deleted at WND?

Proper use of the subjunctive.

135 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:42:51pm

re: #107 Gus

I just saw that and came to post…here’s a link to more.

meowonline.org

I like the comment “She should change her name to Michelle Sucked. Far more appropriate.”

136 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:42:55pm

re: #133 Kragar (Antichrist )

“I’m fighting back against Big Ghey and Liberal Hollywood. Buy my new album.”

The wingnuts now have a new vaguely adogynous-looking, hairy-legged pin up girl!

137 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:42:56pm

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

The dream will always be alive in Portland. Keep Portland weird, dude!!

Portlandia is weird. It doesn’t rain there any more. It must have gotten all rained out while I lived there.

138 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:44:34pm

re: #128 Gus

Michelle Shocked Tour Dates

Tour going all the way into October.

Apparently she’s a fundy…Image: Screen_Shot_2013-03-18_at_2.44.05_PM.png

139 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:44:51pm

re: #135 darthstar

I just saw that and came to post…here’s a link to more.

[Link: meowonline.org…]

I like the comment “She should change her name to Michelle Sucked. Far more appropriate.”

Yeah, looks like she’s taking the final leap into the God thing. She’s a born again christian.

140 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:49:11pm

Fischer: GOP Should Not ‘Pander’ to Ignorant, Naive, and Uneducated Young Voters on Gay Issues

Bryan Fischer is right. The GOP is already busy pandering to the ignorant and uneducated on the economy, history, science, religion and so many other issues, they can’t take on anymore.

141 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:49:25pm

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

obvious_ann_coulter_joke()

142 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:53:00pm

re: #137 Skip Intro

Portlandia is weird. It doesn’t rain there any more. It must have gotten all rained out while I lived there.

I lived in and around Portlandia for the better part of 20 years. It’s…..different.

The last time I was back there, in 2004, it was being invaded by hipsters.

143 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:53:23pm

Yoshi’s SF director of marketing and public relations Lisa Bautista answered my call this morning and said she was not there when the incident happened, but she did get a phone call from Yoshi’s artistic director Derek Hunter after Shocked’s show. Hunter confirmed they did indeed stop the show. Bautista also got additional comments from people who were present.

In his official statement to Bautista, Hunter said, “This was Michelle Shock’s third visit to Yoshi’s San Francisco; her first was March 2009. She has never given any indication that she is anti-gay or racist in her previous plays. She obviously has some serious issues and unfortunately chose our venue to vent them.”

Added Bautista to me, “[Shocked] won’t be back.” Bautista also had venues nationwide calling this morning to verify if Shocked made such remarks.

144 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:55:17pm

sfbg.com

145 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:55:21pm

re: #143 Gus

BIG GHEY IS KEEPING US DOWN!

146 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:57:08pm
148 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:59:14pm

re: #127 Bear

From Cindy Abbott’s FB page on Saturday:

My finish line: About 20 miles out from the start, I fractured my pelvic broke. I thought I was going to have to scratch at the first check point but continued taking the race one section at a time. The increasing difficulty of the trail helped me determine if I could drive my team to the next check point. In this way I made it 630 miles, but I realized that this was as far as I could go and I was going to have to stop - out of concern for my dogs. I took out the banner I had held on the summit of Mt. Everest, put it by my dogs’ feet, and took a picture of my finish line. It was an amazing 10 days: the people, the culture, the Alaskan wilderness, and my wonderful team of dogs: Dred, Prego, Shasta, Sexy, Tyrell, Baby Drool, Tim, Italy, Barb, Pimp, Rapper, Wayne, Raven, and Falcon.

facebook.com

149 Mattand  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:59:22pm

re: #115 Gus

150 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:01:23pm

WND: ‘Obama’s Long History of Attracting Flies’ Suggests Demonic Possession

SCIENCE!

151 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:02:22pm

re: #139 Gus

Yeah, looks like she’s taking the final leap into the God thing. She’s a born again christian.

The biggest problem I have with other people who profess Christianity is that far too many of them don’t know when to shut their cavernous yappers.

152 Minor_L  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:02:48pm

Shorter NRO: I’m rubber, you’re glue!

153 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:02:49pm
154 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:08:35pm

It’s puzzling why Republicans find Palin so alluring. She’s such an embarrassment that my formerly Republican co-worker who voted for McCain refuses to let me call her name, which I find hilarious.

There is nothing intelligent about Palin. She appears to be a flame thrower and a money maker. Nothing else. Certainly, she has nothing relevant to say about politics. Will Republicans be trotting her out in 2016/2020 to make pithy comments?

155 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:12:02pm

North Carolina church halts all weddings until same sex couples can marry

In an interview that aired on Monday, Green Street United Methodist Church Senior Pastor Kelly Carpenter told WXII that heterosexual members of his congregation wanted same sex couples to “share a sense of the love that they have found.”

On Friday, the church posted a statement to its Facebook page explaining that “the church sees injustice in the legal position of state government and the theological position of our denomination.”

“North Carolina prohibits same sex marriage and all the rights and privileges marriage brings,” the statement said. “The Leadership Council has asked that their ministers join others who refuse to sign any State marriage licenses until this right is granted to same sex couples.”

“Because the United Methodist Church prohibits its pastors from conducting same sex weddings, excluding gay and lesbian couples from the holy sacrament of marriage, the Leadership Council has asked their pastor to refrain from conducting wedding ceremonies in our sanctuary for straight couples, until the denomination lifts its ban for same sex couples.”

156 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:12:12pm

re: #154 Patricia Kayden

It’s puzzling why Republicans find Palin so alluring.

STARBURSTS!

/Rich Lowry

157 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:12:37pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I have been beyond busy the past couple of days but I did want to get around to commenting on McCain’s loss to Obama and the impact Sarah Palin had.

I don’t think Palin was the best VP choice, but that aside it’s important to note that ANY GOP candidate would have been facing long odds to win in 2008.

They economy had JUST gone into a tailspin that at the time many Americans pinned on George W. Bush and his policies, that alone would have given a big boost to any Democratic candidate.

But then you have Barack Obama who was something new, something different, something fresh.

In the 2008 vote Americans wanted change in so many ways. They wanted progress, they wanted a stronger economy, they wanted to make a bold statement that the country was moving into the 21st century.

Off the top of my head I can’t think of any Republican candidate that would have had a chance in 2008 against Obama. Not one.

I agree with you but that doesn’t justify McCain choosing someone as woefully unqualified as VP. I recently watched “Game Change” and almost felt sorry for Palin. She was simply not qualified to be VP (and possibly President if anything happened to McCain). That’s wasn’t her fault, except I guess she could have declined to run with McCain.

158 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:14:24pm

Pat Robertson says bankrupt families should give him ‘just $20 a month’

159 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:17:35pm

re: #149 Mattand

My addition….

160 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:18:26pm

re: #144 Gus

[Link: www.sfbg.com…]

No, I don’t think she’ll be returning to Yoshi’s any time soon…

161 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:18:33pm
162 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:19:36pm

Heh…

Image: 62419_10151557051730883_2136647126_n.jpg

163 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:22:05pm
164 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:22:32pm

re: #160 darthstar

No, I don’t think she’ll be returning to Yoshi’s any time soon…

I foresee many, many cancellations in her immediate future.

165 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:23:24pm

re: #163 Gus

“Not being an asshole” would be a good choice.

166 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:24:11pm

re: #163 Gus

What does everybody @yoshi’s want to hear tonight? Truth? Or Reality?

The ‘truth’ and ‘reality’ thing refers to two sets they posted outside the venue. Fans were encouraged to Tweet whichever set they wanted to hear. They chose ‘Truth,’ which was her first album in its entirety.

167 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:24:12pm

Reince Priebus Says Self-Deportation Is ‘Not Our Party’s Position’ – But It Is

“One of the issues that I think really cut pretty badly within the Hispanic communities [was] when Mitt Romney talked about self-deportation,” Priebus told CNN. He added that “it’s a concept that really doesn’t — it’s not our party’s position. But it was something that i think hit every Hispanic kitchen table across america.”

Despite Priebus’ stated shock at the idea undocumented immigrants should be expected to “self-deport,” Romney’s plan actually is the party’s position today. According to the GOP platform approved by the RNC last year under Priebus’ stewardship, “We will create humane procedures to encourage illegal aliens to return home voluntarily, while enforcing the law against those who overstay their visas.” In addition, the current GOP platform declares that “State efforts to reduce illegal immigration must be encouraged, not attacked.” The laws its referring to, like Arizona’s SB 1070, are the at the core of the “self-deportation” concept as they’re designed to make life for undocumented immigrants so difficult that they decide to leave on their own accord.

Update: Asked for comment about the discrepancy, RNC spokeswoman Kirsten Kukowski e-mailed: “In meeting after meeting the phrase self-deportation was brought up as a problem that we need to address and the chairman has been clear he agrees.”

So the GOP position is to lie about their actual platform, and the real problem is the term, not the policy behind it.

168 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:26:16pm

re: #164 Dr Lizardo

I foresee many, many cancellations in her immediate future.

Would that be Truth or Reality biting her on the ass?

169 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:28:34pm

re: #168 darthstar

Would that be Truth or Reality biting her on the ass?

Both. And biting with all the force of a great white shark, I’d say.

170 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:28:43pm
171 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:29:02pm

re: #170 darthstar

I think that makes it pretty clear.

172 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:30:09pm

Unreal. At first I thought it might have been a drunk rant. She had a freaking meltdown and seems to be enjoying it.

173 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:30:52pm

re: #172 Gus

Unreal. At first I thought it might have been a drunk rant. She had a freaking meltdown and seems to be enjoying it.

She should have played CPAC. They like that shit.

174 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:31:54pm

re: #173 darthstar

She should have played CPAC. They like that shit.

She would’ve received a five-minute standing ovation for that rant at CPAC.

175 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:33:05pm

re: #173 darthstar

She should have played CPAC. They like that shit.

Yeah. If she wants to, she can make a boat of money now, playing right-wing shit. Downside: Looking at the audiences.

176 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:33:25pm

Whew. Your bad craziness trending hashtag of the day: #ObamaIsNotSatan

177 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:36:13pm
178 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:36:56pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

Whew. Your bad craziness trending hashtag of the day: #ObamaIsNotSatan

Comments are all over the map.

179 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:37:25pm

re: #177 Lidane

Why do I have this bad feeling that something crazy is going to go down soon in Colorado?

180 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:37:49pm

re: #177 Lidane

And the freakout commences in 5….4….3….2….1….

181 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:38:16pm

Reince Priebus: “It is not our party’s position that Obama is Satan.”

182 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:38:50pm

Human Statue Punches Man Harrassing Him In The Face

183 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:39:06pm

re: #175 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah. If she wants to, she can make a boat of money now, playing right-wing shit. Downside: Looking at the audiences.

Gotta wear UV-400 glasses when you look at a sea of those faces.

184 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:39:27pm

Two girls have been arrested for making death threats in the Stubenville rape case.

AGAINST THE VICTIM.

Goddamn humanity, just goddamn it.

wtov9.com

185 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:40:36pm

I say we deploy the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to Stubenville and have them educate the population about consent.

Image: RickRickman739563616.jpg

186 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:41:42pm

re: #183 darthstar

Gotta wear UV-400 glasses when you look at a sea of those faces.

Maybe she can go for a whole Bob Roberts sorta thing

Youtube Video
187 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:45:42pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

Sounds like someone used wallpaper primer on the wall before putting the paper up. Makes life lots easier. You’re lucky.

About 16 yrs ago we moved into an old retro 70’s nightmare of a house. Some of the most godawful wallpaper EVAR. Only one room had primed walls. It took forever to get the other paper off. I used something called a paper tiger(it scores the paper so the adhesive remover can get under the paper and makes it easier to remove) and a steamer and it took forever. I hate wallpaper.

188 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:46:15pm

re: #184 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Two girls have been arrested for making death threats in the Stubenville rape case.

AGAINST THE VICTIM.

Goddamn humanity, just goddamn it.

[Link: www.wtov9.com…]

All too predictable.

189 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:46:46pm

Alright. Time for kickboxing. Good timing. Need to work off rage now.

190 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:50:32pm

re: #188 Kragar (Antichrist )

This whole thing just breaks my heart. This girl will not be able to finish high school there even, not with this madness going on. Since her name is out there now, how can she even go to another school in the area? Anyone in that town supporting this level of threats, the rapists and their enablers needs a damned kick in the ass. WTF is wrong with people? Who does this?

191 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:50:49pm

re: #184 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Two girls have been arrested for making death threats in the Stubenville rape case.

AGAINST THE VICTIM.

Goddamn humanity, just goddamn it.

[Link: www.wtov9.com…]

What are the odds that these were the girlfriends/booty calls of the two rapists?

192 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:53:05pm

re: #191 Lidane

What are the odds that these were the girlfriends/booty calls of the two rapists?

My first thought was cheerleaders.

193 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:55:01pm

re: #192 Kragar (Antichrist )

My first thought was cheerleaders.

Vicious, homicidal, catty cheerleaders? Say it ain’t so!!

194 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:58:02pm

re: #192 Kragar (Antichrist )

My first thought was cheerleaders.

Bingo.

195 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:58:05pm

re: #191 Lidane

When I read some of the testimony of what happened to this girl,I am just freaked the hell out that not one person that night, not ONE tried to stop this madness and take this girl somewhere safe. I was a wild ass teenager, partied my ass off on the weekends, but my friends and I watched out for each other. No one would have left me laying naked in the street vomiting or let guys drag me around unconscious from party to party. I just do not understand the complete lack of compassion or empathy here. Especially from other girls.

196 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:59:45pm

re: #192 Kragar (Antichrist )

My first thought was cheerleaders.

Is there a difference? The rapists were football players, after all.

197 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:02:30pm

re: #195 A Mom Anon

When I read this testimony, I’m suddenly reminded why I never had kids and why I really don’t want them. People suck.

198 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:03:52pm

Michelle Shocked

About three months later, after returning to her homeless lifestyle, her friends in Austin call her mother who, alarmed over Michelle’s wild lifestyle, has her admitted to the psychiatric ward at Dallas’ Baylor Hospital where she is diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. She is released when her mother’s insurance coverage runs out after a month. Michelle goes to live in New York City.

199 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:04:27pm

Been struggling all freaking day with a misbehaving EyeTV box. Got no TV on mah computerz now. It just stopped working. Been on with tech support, sending logs, etc.

200 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:05:36pm

There is something sick and pathetic about people who think High School is the best days of their lives.

201 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:05:57pm
202 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:11:06pm

re: #200 Kragar (Antichrist )

There is something sick and pathetic about people who think High School is the best days of their lives.

I was one of the nerdiest nerds that ever nerded up the joint in high school. I couldn’t wait to get out.

I recently saw a friend of mine I hadn’t seen since graduating in ‘91 and we spent hours reminiscing and talking about the 20th reunion. She went, but I missed it because I was in the middle of grad school and had no money and lots of work due. She was telling about the Mean Girls who all got fat and wrinkled and bitter. I couldn’t help the schadenfreude. Heh.

203 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:11:42pm
After graduating, she hitched her way to the West Coast, where she wound up playing guitar and mandolin in a street band. At one point she suffered a bad trip on LSD, and ended up high for three days. Wandering around in a paranoid daze, the police attempted to stop her for questioning. She panicked and ran. After a harried chase, she was taken to a mental hospital and subdued with Thorazine. A few days later her father arrived and took her home to Dallas.

From there she headed to Austin, where an old friend let her sleep in his bookstore. The shop hosted a songwriter’s group, and Michelle began to participate. During her stay she experienced an LSD flashback, and, unaware of what was happening, confused the hallucinations with a spiritual vision in which she envisioned herself as a warrior in the midst of battle. Concerned friends called her father, but this time he wasn’t interested in helping out. After a short stay with her mother, it was decided she would be committed to the psychiatric ward of Dallas’ Baylor Hospital; the same hospital she was born in. The decision would result in a mother/daughter estrangement that would take decades to heal.

Throughout the stay she was heavily medicated, at times unable to understand where she was or why she was even there. Under the guise of occupational therapy, patients were instructed in such basic tasks as weaving yarn around Popsicle sticks and gluing beads on paper.

At a hearing to determine whether she should remain hospitalized long term, doctors diagnosed her as suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. When a psychiatrist commented that she was “under the influence of literature,” she readily agreed with the assessment. “I had just recently graduated from University, where my major was Oral Interpretation of Literature.” The comment smacked of anti-intellectualism; she was reading the classics, not escapist or fantasy-based stories.

204 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:13:49pm

re: #203 Gus

Literature is a gateway drug.

205 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:14:02pm

re: #200 Kragar (Antichrist )

There is something sick and pathetic about people who think High School is the best days of their lives.

Among other things, it is an admission that nothing all that wonderful has happened since high school. The older one is, the worse that sounds.

206 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:14:24pm

re: #190 A Mom Anon

This whole thing just breaks my heart. This girl will not be able to finish high school there even, not with this madness going on. Since her name is out there now, how can she even go to another school in the area? Anyone in that town supporting this level of threats, the rapists and their enablers needs a damned kick in the ass. WTF is wrong with people? Who does this?

Seriously, she’s going to have to go into a witness protection program, assuming that’s even available to her. If she doesn’t leave that shithole of a town, she’s going to end up dead.

207 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:14:51pm

re: #184 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Two girls have been arrested for making death threats in the Stubenville rape case.

AGAINST THE VICTIM.

Goddamn humanity, just goddamn it.

[Link: www.wtov9.com…]

Ironically, they could potentially get more time than the rapists did for that.

208 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:16:59pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

Literature is a gateway drug.

More hear. It’s pretty wild.

narpa.org

PDF

209 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:17:05pm

re: #202 Lidane

I was one of the nerdiest nerds that ever nerded up the joint in high school. I couldn’t wait to get out.

I recently saw a friend of mine I hadn’t seen since graduating in ‘91 and we spent hours reminiscing and talking about the 20th reunion. She went, but I missed it because I was in the middle of grad school and had no money and lots of work due. She was telling about the Mean Girls who all got fat and wrinkled and bitter. I couldn’t help the schadenfreude. Heh.

The last time I saw or spoke to anyone from high school was high school.

210 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:17:29pm

re: #203 Gus

I recall her liner notes to “The Arkansas Traveller”, one of my favorite MS albums, in which she said she had considered posing for the album cover in blackface but decided not to because she did not want to evoke a PC outcry.

211 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:17:29pm

re: #207 SidewaysQuark

Ironically, they could potentially get more time than the rapists did for that.

Yeah, but if they do, the people of this evil town are just going to quadruple down on their attacks on the victim.

212 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:17:35pm
And so I found artistic ways of expressing issues that
concerned me, rather than through psychological dramas.
And I definitely focused on political outlets for my expression.
And then I also developed a reputation for
being, well, quirky. I’ve created a world for myself, and in
my world, Michelle Shocked is very sane and normal.
The world I live in profits from my creativity. Creativity
comes from my unorthodox view of the world. It’s empowering.
It’s definitely empowering because I know
what I’ve had to crawl up from in order to have this quality
of mine celebrated rather than condemned.
NARPA is a place where the journeys of people like
myself are honored and understood, and I have a great
appreciation for that. But this movement is not just about
celebrating the healing and growth of individuals whose
lives were disrupted by psychiatry. It is also the place
from which change must come. Right here in this room,
we have the skills, knowledge, talent, power, and energy
to fix what’s broken and create something new. Our experience
experience
with psychiatric oppression, and our ability to
stand up to it - this makes us a community. And communities
working together in a spirit of compassion is what
creates positive social change. This has been true
throughout history, and we need to remember it today,
when it sometimes feels like the forces of backlash and
oppression are on the rise.
As a community, we can take strength in the words of
Mohandas Gandhi, a man who understood how to use
moral force to defeat an overwhelming foe. During the
non-violent struggle for Indian independence from Britain,
he came to the following understanding, which should
give heart to all people working for social justice:
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then
they fight you, then you win.”
© Copyright 2003 by Michelle Shocked
213 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:19:36pm

From the ‘Growth Opportunity Project’:

On messaging, we must change our tone — especially on certain social issues that are turning off young voters. In every session with young voters, social issues were at the forefront of the discussion; many see them as the civil rights issues of our time. We must be a party that is welcoming and inclusive for all voters.

Emphasis added, because it’s one of the many stilted phrases throughout the document that sound like the Committee has gone on a safari to see the exotic world of not-old, not-white, not-male. They define ‘young voters’ as those under 30. Then they say Rinsed Prius is young. He’s 41.

214 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:24:53pm

re: #209 Kragar (Antichrist )

The last time I saw or spoke to anyone from high school was high school.

Same—of course there were only 6 of us.

215 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:25:46pm

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Same—of course there were only 6 of us.

Probably around 500+ in my graduating class

216 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:27:29pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

From the ‘Growth Opportunity Project’:

Emphasis added, because it’s one of the many stilted phrases throughout the document that sound like the Committee has gone on a safari to see the exotic world of not-old, not-white, not-male. They define ‘young voters’ as those under 30. Then they say Rinsed Prius is young. He’s 41.

Good catch. The old white men of the GOP are honestly baffled by the concept that self-determination for women, equal rights for gays, and equal rights for racial minorities would be viewed as civil rights issues by those affected.

217 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:28:33pm

From: Michelle Shocked Energizes NARPA 2003

218 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:31:37pm

re: #217 Gus

From: Michelle Shocked Energizes NARPA 2003

Whoa.

219 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:34:15pm

re: #202 Lidane

Hated with hot flame HS. Fake assholes of privilege. Quit. GED. Onto university. It didn’t help that my family moved between 10th & 11th and new school.peeps listened to country music.

220 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:36:38pm

DERP

221 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:41:06pm

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

Whoa.

Might explain the sudden rant.

222 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:43:50pm

re: #221 Gus

Might explain the sudden rant.

Indeed it might.

223 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:44:44pm

Their plan? Cut everything other than defense, a flat tax, and raising the age of medicare.

So basically, another “Fuck the Poor” pipe dream.

224 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:45:40pm
And then, of course, every few days the psychiatrist
would show up for a session. And I would sit with her
and talk, and she had obviously talked to my mother.
She had talked to my father. But what I remember best
about those sessions was the psychiatrist who sat there
facing me. She was wearing a gold pendant, and the design
of the pendant was a teddy bear, of all things. And
the teddy bear was designed so that the head was separated
but attached by a chain to the torso, which was
separated but attached by a chain to the legs. In my heightened
state, I couldn’t believe that the psychiatrist would
wear such symbolic evidence of dissociation. What was
she trying to say with this teddy bear ?

The psychiatrist informed me that a judge was going
to be coming to the mental hospital and this judge was to
determine whether I was sound enough to speak on my
own behalf at a hearing about whether I should be committed
to long term care in a state hospital. And that set
off alarm bells for me. And then my father visited me
and said, “You better get it together. This is getting serious.
”
So the judge came and I had the experience of talking
to this judge and trying desperately to sound normal and
sane, and yet the whole time I realized that it didn’t matter
what I said to this guy. He was the judge and the jury;
the verdict had already been decided. And sure enough,
I was told that I had been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia
and that it had been determined that long term
care was necessary.

Being in a mental institution has all of the contours
and shapes of any other kind of institutional life- and as
I said earlier, the first 22 years of my life were basically
spent in institutions of one kind or another. In the mental
institution, activities are scheduled and very rigid. You
don’t stop when you finish the project. You stop when
the schedule says to stop. The people who work there,
some of them are good people, but the institution pretty
much forbids them from functioning outside a certain
standard of compassion. The institutional mentality told
the staff, “You can have one percent of compassion and
ninety-nine percent follow-the-rules.”

Her wording makes it sound the judge made that diagnosis. I’m pretty sure that was from the psychiatrist.

225 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:51:13pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

Been struggling all freaking day with a misbehaving EyeTV box. Got no TV on mah computerz now. It just stopped working. Been on with tech support, sending logs, etc.

My condolences.

226 Kid A  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:51:21pm

I had the pleasure of seeing Local Natives play a show in Dallas on Saturday night, and it was worth every penny. Here’s a cool video of “Wide Eyes.” A band getting a ton of attention now, so it was cool seeing them in front of 1,500 people instead of 15,000 which is where they may be heading.

Youtube Video
227 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:54:39pm

re: #222 Dr Lizardo

Indeed it might.

We’ll see what she says.

228 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:55:49pm
…Being in a mental institution has all of the contours
and shapes of any other kind of institutional life- and as
I said earlier, the first 22 years of my life were basically
spent in institutions of one kind or another….
229 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:00:02pm

I guess a lot of people don’t believe that mental health may cause these types of episodes. The people on Twitter are getting a little carried away in their reaction to Michelle Shocked.

230 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:02:17pm

Alleged War Criminal Turns Himself In To U.S. Embassy

In a move that shocked many observers, a alleged international war-criminal walked into the U.S. Embassy in Rwanda and requested he be transferred to The Hague to answer for his alleged crimes.

Confusion swirled following Rwandan Foreign Minister Louise Mushikiwabo announcing via Twitter that Gen. Bosco Ntaganda had surrendered willingly to the United States. The International Criminal Court first indicted Ntaganda for recruiting children in 2003 as part of a rebellion against the government of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, but he has until now avoided capture.

The U.S. Embassy in Kigali was unable to confirm or deny Mushikiwabo’s statements for the next two hours, before State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland affirmed during her daily press briefing that Ntaganda was inside the Embassy. Complicating matters, the United States, Congo and Rwanda are not members of the Court, thus none are obliged to hand Ntaganda over. Instead, the U.S. is currently working with other countries to facilitate Ntaganda’s transfer to The Hague.

231 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:06:18pm

Someone thinks that it doesn’t matter that she was diagnosed with schizophrenia because that was 40 years ago.

O_o

I need a smoke.

232 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:09:49pm

re: #223 Kragar (Antichrist )

Their plan? Cut everything other than defense, a flat tax, and raising the age of medicare.

So basically, another “Fuck the Poor” pipe dream.

If they can get the government to fuck the poor, they poor will have nowhere to turn to but…

Can I get an amen on that?

233 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:11:26pm

It’s not a very long article….

234 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:12:40pm

re: #231 Gus

Rate of remission of schizophrenia is pretty much non-existent.

Now I feel bad for her.

235 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:12:44pm

NY Assemblyman Who Voted Against Medical Marijuana Bill Ticketed For Possession

236 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:13:08pm

re: #234 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Rate of remission of schizophrenia is pretty much non-existent.

Now I feel bad for her.

Exactly.

237 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:13:43pm

re: #231 Gus

Someone thinks that it doesn’t matter that she was diagnosed with schizophrenia because that was 40 years ago.

O_o

I need a smoke.

Schizophrenia never goes away. It can be controlled.

Until we hear what else she said, it’s difficult to say if the schizophrenia had anything to do with her outburst.

238 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:15:16pm

re: #234 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Rate of remission of schizophrenia is pretty much non-existent.

Now I feel bad for her.

Same here. Schizophrenia never “goes away”.

239 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:18:40pm

re: #237 b_sharp

Schizophrenia never goes away. It can be controlled.

We don’t know. In some cases it may go away. Like with many mental illnesses, if the person is functional enough it may never even get diagnosed. Some studies have shown as much as 20% of people returning to functionality, though most of those still with some symptoms. But if you’re bad enough to get institutionalized, pretty non-existent.

Anyway, it’s a terrible thing. What she said still is terrible and blows and I don’t want to negate her identity by saying ‘poor dear, just can’t help herself’ but no matter what, her life is really hard. I hope the gay people hurt by her stupid rant can find it to have empathy for what she’s been through.

240 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:19:37pm

Two girls charged with threatening Steubenville rape victim

The two teens, both Steubenville residents, allegedly threatened to assault and kill the victim via Twitter.

WTRF.com reported that one teen turned herself in, while the other one was arrested by authorities. The two girls are being held in the Jefferson County Juvenile Detention Center.

They face aggravated menacing charges.

241 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:20:48pm
242 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:26:47pm

re: #240 Kragar (Antichrist )

Two girls charged with threatening Steubenville rape victim

Oh, I get the feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg.

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:31:09pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

Oh, I get the feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg.

There’s a Kos diary with screenshots of some of the tweets, and also links to other source.
Just.stunning.disconnect with the people of Steubenville.

dailykos.com

244 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:33:02pm

re: #241 Gus

Your post got linked at TPM by Benjy Sarlin today:

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

245 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:34:56pm

And K. Carl Smith has ideas that are almost as weird and twisted as Scott Terry’s.

246 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:34:56pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #242 Targetpractice

There’s a Kos diary with screenshots of some of the tweets, and also links to other source.
Just.stunning.disconnect with the people of Steubenville.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

What a charming group of subhuman scum.

247 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:35:14pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Your post got linked at TPM by Benjy Sarlin today:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Awesome… Uh oh. My page has 666 Tweets!

248 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:36:11pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

Oh, I get the feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I get the feeling that the victim is going to need something like the Witness Protection Program and relocate out of the state. Maybe somewhere like the Pacific Northwest or California or something. Far, far away.

249 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:37:31pm

Delhi men take to the streets in solidarity with survivors of sexual violence

A Saturday protest had a lower turnout than organizers had hoped for, but their very presence on the streets was a critical step toward raising the profile of male allies against sexual violence, advocates say. And Geom Abraham, a healthcare NGO worker who attended the protest, told the Journal that he was not disheartened by the group’s small numbers. The movement is young, after all. “The ripple will not end here,” he said. “People will hear about it on the Internet and the conversation will continue.”

A commonly featured sign: Don’t Tell Your Daughter Not To Go Out, Tell Your Son To Behave Properly.

250 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:39:06pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

And K. Carl Smith has ideas that are almost as weird and twisted as Scott Terry’s.

So there’s that. There was also one older page linked at Wonkette and another article linked at Daily Kos.

Irrelevant!

251 Kid A  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:39:07pm

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

I get the feeling that the victim is going to need something like the Witness Protection Program and relocate out of the state. Maybe somewhere like the Pacific Northwest or California or something. Far, far away.

It’s times like this when social media can be the devil. Those bastards posted stuff from that night on YouTube, and now the victim is getting death threats. It just makes me want to vomit.

252 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:39:10pm

Found a new EyeTV HD box on eBay for $44, no cables, no software, just the device in a plastic bag. Perfect - the full package is about $200. Deals are good.

253 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:41:12pm

Atheist group targets Rick Perry for urging Texans to pray away gun violence

the American Atheists’ new billboard in Texas features an image of Perry along with text reading, “His solution to school shootings? Prayer.” The billboard refers to comments the Republican governor made in January.

“Rick Perry’s statement is out of touch with reality,” American Atheists president Dave Silverman said. “Prayer does not solve problems, rather it masks them. Asking Americans to pray to solve the violence problem is an admission of administrative impotence. Playing the God card is not a valid substitute for real action.”

The atheist group also announced it purchased another new billboard targeting former Arkansas governor and Fox News host Mike Huckabee. That billboard reads, “Amend the Constitution to what I say are God’s Standards.”

254 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:43:28pm

re: #251 Kid A

It’s times like this when social media can be the devil. Those bastards posted stuff from that night on YouTube, and now the victim is getting death threats. It just makes me want to vomit.

It’s certainly been my observation that the anonymity of the internet allows the inner asshole of a whole lot of folks to manifest itself in every conceivable fashion.

I understand that the death threats are being reported to the Sheriff of Stubenville, which is good. On the other hand, I think he’s gonna need a bigger jail.

255 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:43:33pm

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

I get the feeling that the victim is going to need something like the Witness Protection Program and relocate out of the state. Maybe somewhere like the Pacific Northwest or California or something. Far, far away.

Which is a sad fucking commentary on this nation, that her life is truly ruined while these boys got a virtual slap on the wrist. The only worthwhile part of their sentence is that they’ll have to register as sex offenders. She’s going to have to leave the state, possibly change her name, and totally leave her life as she’s known it.

256 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:45:42pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

Found a new EyeTV HD box on eBay for $44, no cables, no software, just the box. Perfect - the full package is about $200. Deals are good.

Addiction is tough.

257 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:46:52pm

Congratulations on driving qualified doctors out of counties across the nation.

258 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:47:51pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

There’s also the breach of trust. Nobody looked out for her. When she needed help most desperately, nobody was there for her.

During high school and college, it wasn’t in the least bit unusual to have a girl at the party get too drunk and pass out. Sometimes it was the girl trying to show-off, sometimes it was the shy and nervous girl, sometimes it was just a girl who didn’t know her limit. Whatever the case, the routine was the same— find a place for her to lie down on her side, check on her regularly. If her breathing got weird, drive her to the hospital.

I never got the brand of ‘humor’ that involves messing with people while they’re asleep, even to the limited extent of drawing on their faces and crap. Urinating on them, molesting them— how can you do that and not realize it’s an evil thing to do? You’re urinating on someone, for fuck’s sake.

259 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:48:36pm

re: #257 Kragar (Antichrist )

Congratulations on driving qualified doctors out of counties across the nation.

Dead woman, that’s what happens.

260 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:50:13pm

re: #254 Dr Lizardo

The ::facepalm:: aspect of this is that the kids use their real names. They don’t think of anonymity at all and apparently have no idea that once a tweet, instagram, YouTube, whatever…it’s forever and the whole world sees it, not just their mean little friends.

261 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:51:01pm

Meet The Moderator Behind CPAC’s Race Panel Gone Wrong | TPMDC

…He accurately noted that Scott Terry, the person who asked Smith why Frederick Douglass forgave his former master for “giving him shelter and food,” was greeted with a shocked response from many attendees — not applause or cheers. But Terry and his companion, Matthew Heimbach, both of whom are associated with white nationalist movements, weren’t removed either. And several attendees expressed sympathy with their grievances about oppression against whites if not their take on slavery….

262 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:51:13pm

Post-St Patrick’s review:

Youtube Video
263 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:54:21pm

Interesting - a different recording of the white supremacist moment at CPAC from another audience member:

Youtube Video

via: dangerousminds.net

264 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:55:34pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

Which is a sad fucking commentary on this nation, that her life is truly ruined while these boys got a virtual slap on the wrist. The only worthwhile part of their sentence is that they’ll have to register as sex offenders. She’s going to have to leave the state, possibly change her name, and totally leave her life as she’s known it.

It’s certainly a sad fucking commentary on Steubenville, Ohio, which is clearly contending for the title of “Shittiest Town On Earth”.

Most likely, Jane Doe is indeed going to have to leave the state, and very likely change her name and leave her life up to this point behind.

I just don’t understand people.

265 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:56:54pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

The ::facepalm:: aspect of this is that the kids use their real names. They don’t think of anonymity at all and apparently have no idea that once a tweet, instagram, YouTube, whatever…it’s forever and the whole world sees it, not just their mean little friends.

I noticed that as well. Epic stupidity…..they apparently think that NO ONE ELSE ON THE PLANET WILL EVER KNOW WHAT THEY’VE POSTED or something like that.

266 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:58:38pm

re: #264 Dr Lizardo

It’s certainly a sad fucking commentary on Steubenville, Ohio, which is clearly contending for the title of “Shittiest Town On Earth”.

Most likely, Jane Doe is indeed going to have to leave the state, and very likely change her name and leave her life up to this point behind.

I just don’t understand people.

Unfortunately, I can’t find it in me to believe that Steubenville is all that unusual. There are lots of places in the US where this could happen (and undoubtedly has happened, without the recordings).

267 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:01:22pm

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

I noticed that as well. Epic stupidity…..they apparently think that NO ONE ELSE ON THE PLANET WILL EVER KNOW WHAT THEY’VE POSTED or something like that.

exactly! The complete and total self-absorption is breath-taking conceit.
I was far from the perfect teenager, but I generally behaved as if someone could be watching because if I did do something outrageous my parents would most likely hear about it long before I got home.
It trained me to be sneaky, if not thoughtfully cautious.

268 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:06:10pm

How much news in in your “news”
Pew: State of the News Media 2013
stateofthemedia.org

269 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:07:11pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Interesting - a different recording of the white supremacist moment at CPAC from another audience member:

[Embedded content]

via: dangerousminds.net

“My demographic.” What demographic would that be? Racist Kinists?

270 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:09:26pm

Popups still crashing Firefox and IE. Chrome seems to work, sort of.

271 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:10:18pm

re: #266 EPR-radar

Unfortunately, I can’t find it in me to believe that Steubenville is all that unusual. There are lots of places in the US where this could happen (and undoubtedly has happened, without the recordings).

Perhaps it’s not unusual or even untypical, and that’s the saddest part of all. I think of a small town I lived in, and had this happened there, I can honestly say that outcome would’ve been much the same, with the victim being essentially hounded out of town.

When I was 16, I was dating the only black girl in this town. Seriously, this place was lily-white. Oh, the shit I used to hear; I can still recall it vividly and it was ugly. Of course now, those handful of friends who still live there and recall that epoch now regard me as a pioneer of sorts, the guy who broke the mold.

This squalid, tragic case has no winners and the ultimate loser is Jane Doe. Her life has been destroyed, and from what I’ve been seeing in the social media, there’s more than a few folks in Steubenvillle, Ohio who very likely wouldn’t mind seeing her physically annihilated for daring to speak up and say, “Enough. You will not get away with this.”

272 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:10:47pm

re: #269 Gus

Just testing to see if reply buttons work with Chrome. Carry on.

273 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:13:16pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

Just testing to see if reply buttons work with Chrome. Carry on.

I no see anything.

274 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:15:08pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

My MacBook Pro is working beautifully. OS X 10.8.3

275 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:17:57pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

Is this in Windows XP?

276 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:21:47pm

re: #257 Kragar (Antichrist )

Congratulations on driving qualified doctors out of counties across the nation.

Someone ask Bryan Fischer if he’d rather his daughter rip her uterus and vagina apart with a coat hangar. Fucking asshole.

277 darthstar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:22:27pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Is this in Windows XP?

Works fine in Chrome on Ubuntu.

278 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:41:42pm

re: #276 darthstar

Someone ask Bryan Fischer if he’d rather his daughter rip her uterus and vagina apart with a coat hangar.

Why, yes, I believe he would.


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Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
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