Monday Night Jam: The Knife - a Tooth for an Eye

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‘A Tooth For An Eye’ from The Knife’s forthcoming album ‘Shaking The Habitual’ released on 8/9 April. Available to pre order here: http://theknife.net/shaking-the-habitual

‘A Tooth For An Eye’ deconstructs images of maleness, power and leadership. Who are the people we trust as our leaders and why? What do we have to learn from those we consider inferior? In a sport setting where one would traditionally consider a group of men as powerful and in charge, an unexpected leader emerges. A child enters and allows the men to let go of their hierarchies, machismo and fear of intimacy, as they follow her into a dance. Their lack of expertise and vulnerability shines through as they perform the choreography. Amateurs and skilled dancers alike express joy and a sense of freedom; There is no prestige in their performance. The child is powerful, tough and sweet all at once, roaring “I’m telling you stories, trust me”. There is no shame in her girliness, rather she possesses knowledge that the men lost a long time ago.

Music: ‘A Tooth For An Eye’ by The Knife taken from the album ‘Shaking The Habitual’

Dir. Roxy Farhat & Kakan Hermansson
DOP: Aida Chehrehgosha
Editing: Roxy Farhat

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1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:20:14pm

Awesomely great video. Karin Andersson is also the creator of Fever Ray.

2 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:26:13pm

One of the Kinist goons wrote something about the Scott Terry/CPAC evemt:

Oratorical Terrorism: How Scott Terry Ruined CPAC
Matt Parrott

Minorities and immigrants prefer to think of themselves as sentient and mature adults, whereas White liberals see them as their racially handicapped dependents. Contrary to popular belief, White Supremacism didn’t miraculously vanish overnight in the sixties, it transformed into contemporary liberalism: Supremacism with a Smile. People who are truly equal don’t need to be protected like children from adult conversations. People who are truly equal aren’t emotionally devastated by political contention.

I accept the scientific consensus that there are real and consequential differences in the average intelligence, but a caveat is necessary: There is no human as willfully, malignantly, and self-destructively stupid as a White person in the throes of a moral panic. Charles Mackay declared in Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds that “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”

Scott Terry Pierces the Popular DelusionCPAC’s organizers intended to whip the crowd even deeper into the anti-White diversity cult, but one by one, young men like Scott Terry, Matt Heimbach, and others at the conference are recovering their senses. And as with the fable, The Emperor’s New Clothes, it only takes a handful of humble voices in the crowd speaking the truth to imperil a popular delusion.

Slate journalist Dave Weigel’s declaration that Matt and Scott had “ruined everything” was delivered tongue-in-cheek, but it’s essentially accurate. It genuinely only takes one single person speaking up in the audience to utterly devastate the GOP’s fragile, awkward, and disingenuous minority outreach efforts.

RNC Chairman Reince Preibus just announced a $10 million initiative to reach out to minority voters, a project that can assuredly be negated by merely ten men or women throughout America with the courage to stand up and ask why the party’s not reaching out to them, too.

The GOP is panicking because it’s pinned between an impossible effort to recruit minorities and immigrants and the unthinkable specter of becoming the de facto party of White interests and identity. History has proven time and again that unthinkable events will happen despite the wishes, prayers, and the multi-million dollar campaigns of those who would wish it away.

We White Advocates have a tremendous amount of philosophical, organizational, and local work to do if we expect to secure a future for our children, but all we have to do to thwart the Republican Party’s attempts to betray us is to periodically show up and indulge in some oratorical terrorism.

3 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:30:53pm

Neo-Nazis

4 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:32:03pm

re: #2 Gus

What … what is wrong with people. I don’t understand.

5 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:32:03pm

re: #2 Gus

One of the Kinist goons wrote something about the Scott Terry/CPAC evemt:

Oratorical Terrorism: How Scott Terry Ruined CPAC
Matt Parrott

We White Advocates have a tremendous amount of philosophical, organizational, and local work to do if we expect to secure a future for our children, but all we have to do to thwart the Republican Party’s attempts to betray us is to periodically show up and indulge in some oratorical terrorism.

Well, you know what they say: one man’s oratorical terrorism is another man’s derp.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:33:47pm

re: #2 Gus

…periodically show up and indulge in some oratorical terrorism.

There you have it.

These cowardly white power fucks do this at CPAC because they know they’re in a basically friendly environment.

7 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:35:47pm

re: #2 Gus

White Supremacism didn’t miraculously vanish overnight in the sixties, it transformed into contemporary liberalism

Someone has been smoking some high grade weed.

8 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:37:47pm

re: #3 Gus

Neo-Nazis

Soon enough, we’ll be able to dispense with the “neo-“.

9 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:38:29pm

re: #4 thedopefishlives

What … what is wrong with people. I don’t understand.

They’re capable of writing a lot of words. Was just breezing through this.

Kvetching about the Schvartzes
Matt Parrott

As America continues to decline both socially and economically, we can be assured that more Jews will join Matt Drudge, Michael Savage, and Mark Levin in kvetching about the schvartzes. They’ll continue trying to stir up vulgar supremacism and strife between America’s various racial groups while carrying water for and covering the asses of the Jewish anti-White globalist financiers like Michael Bloomberg and his cronies. We White Americans should continue learning more about racial differences and we should continue reporting anti-White violence, but neither of those are substitutes for the vital work of reviving the spirit of our extended family of ethnic kinsmen and rallying them in defense of the rich inheritance our generation has been entrusted to preserve, perfect, and perpetuate.

10 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:39:52pm

re: #9 Gus

OK. My #8 has the timing wrong. Wow.

11 jaunte  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:39:52pm

re: #2 Gus

Right out of the David Lane phrasebook.

We White Advocates have a tremendous amount of philosophical, organizational, and local work to do if we expect to secure a future for our children

12 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:39:55pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

There you have it.

These cowardly white power fucks do this at CPAC because they know they’re in a basically friendly environment.

But I can enjoy the notion that a handful of these freaks, acting out in front of the all-seeing eye of the Internet, will torpedo the TPGOP’s bullshit ‘outreach’. If they are not silenced, by conservatives, they are the conservatives.

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:41:50pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

But I can enjoy the notion that a handful of these freaks, acting out in front of the all-seeing eye of the Internet, will torpedo the TPGOP’s bullshit ‘outreach’. If they are not silenced, by conservatives, they are the conservatives.

Anyone who says they’re a moderate Republican, and doesn’t say a thing about this kind of BS, isn’t a moderate.

14 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:46:09pm

re: #13 Kragar (Antichrist )

Anyone who says they’re a moderate Republican, and doesn’t say a thing about this kind of BS, isn’t a moderate.

I’m disappointed for my parents. (Or maybe a better phrasing is, disappointed IN my parents.) I’m sure, if I pressed them on this, they’d offer platitudes about wingnuts and No True Republican and so forth and then look at me quizzically like, “But you’re still a hard-line conservative, right?” Uhh, no, because I refuse to associate with crapholes like this, and I can’t believe you guys will.

15 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:48:11pm

Yeah, I look at myself in the mirror every day and I think, “dude, you are one shining fucking example of white supremacism.”

16 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:48:58pm

re: #14 thedopefishlives

I’m disappointed for my parents. (Or maybe a better phrasing is, disappointed IN my parents.) I’m sure, if I pressed them on this, they’d offer platitudes about wingnuts and No True Republican and so forth and then look at me quizzically like, “But you’re still a hard-line conservative, right?” Uhh, no, because I refuse to associate with crapholes like this, and I can’t believe you guys will.

Out of curiosity, do you know the mental model your parents have of democrats/liberals?

17 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:49:14pm

White Supremacists Vent Rage Over Obama’s Win

On Stormfront, extremists also felt that this was a moment that they could seize to make an impact. “White Apex” declared, “It is obvious as of tonights [sic] overload that white people are already waking up and looking for answers. If we handle this obamanation correctly we can gain many new comrades! We can’t mess this up, can’t you see this is what we need!” Greg Johnson, an editor for The Occidental Quarterly, agreed, writing that “the election of Barack Obama as president of the United States is a good thing for white nationalism. Whites will regain control over our nation and our destiny only when we have a change of consciousness.” On Vanguard News Network (VNN), a white supremacist Internet forum, posters declared that they were ready to put themselves on the line to fight for the white race. “Toe Cutter” wrote, “Get used to the idea of having to sacrifice Yourself, for a greater good.”

Greg Johnson is also editor of Counter Currents.

18 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:50:17pm

Backgrounder: American Third Position

Tomislav Sunic is a white supremacist author and hosts a radio program, “The Sunic Journal,” on Voice of Reason, an online streaming radio network that hosts a number of anti-Semitic and extremist broadcasts. Sunic has invited many prominent extremist figures to speak on his program, among them Kevin MacDonald, an anti-Semitic professor; Dr. Greg Johnson, editor of The Occidental Quarterly, an anti-Semitic journal; Holocaust deniers Mark Weber, Friedrich Paul Berg, and Carolyn Yeager; Klan leader and Christian Identity pastor Thomas Robb; and E. Michael Jones, editor of the anti-Semitic Culture Wars magazine.

19 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:52:23pm

In Their Words: Hating Barack Obama

“An Obama presidency … will only intensify racial polarization and stimulate greater white racial consciousness and self-assertiveness. More of the sleepers will waken.”
—Greg Johnson writing in The Occidental Quarterly, a far-right race journal

20 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:53:41pm

Kevin MacDonald is the current editor of Occidental Quarterly.

21 calochortus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:55:29pm

re: #9 Gus

While that guy is perfecting his whiteness and all that, I think I’ll enjoy the rich diversity that is America. We’ll see who has more fun.

23 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:57:15pm

re: #16 EPR-radar

Out of curiosity, do you know the mental model your parents have of democrats/liberals?

Big-government, selfish, wasteful spending, intellectually bankrupt sleazebags.

24 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:57:35pm

re: #23 thedopefishlives

Oh, and atheists. Good Christian Folk are all conservatives.

25 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:57:36pm

re: #19 Gus

Unfortunately, there’s some truth to that. But it also has the opposite effect, and wakes people up to the agenda of these hateful morons.

26 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:01:06pm

re: #22 Gus

John Bolton is now doing interviews for Taki’s Magazine.

He’s found a home.

27 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:02:07pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

He’s found a home.

Patrick J. Buchanan
Bruce Cochran
Charles A. Coulombe
John Derbyshire
The Editors
Nicholas Farrell
Jim Goad
Paul Gottfried
Scott Locklin
Gavin McInnes
Bunky Mortimer
Steve Sailer
Kathy Shaidle
Guy Somerset
Taki Theodoracopulos
Mandolyna Theodoracopulos
Robert Weissberg

28 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:06:35pm

I’ve had it. Charles I’ve never made a comment about how you run your blog but I demand Destro be banned for life for this.

29 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:08:58pm

re: #28 Kronocide

I’ve had it. Charles I’ve never made a comment about how you run your blog but I demand Destro be banned for life for this.

You sure you have the right link?

30 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:10:57pm

re: #29 Gus

I do. Meant to be tongue in cheek as both Charles and I like the show and Destro was touching yellow level on the ban stick the other day.

31 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:11:24pm

re: #30 Kronocide

I do. Meant to be tongue in cheek as both Charles and I like the show and Destro was touching yellow level on the ban stick the other day.

Ah.

32 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:12:26pm

Sometimes I forget I’m on a blog and the meta subtle meta doesn’t transfer well.

33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:14:10pm

re: #24 thedopefishlives

Oh, and atheists. Good Christian Folk are all conservatives.

Atheist pro tip: if a family member opines that “atheists are just angry at God”, and/or “atheists can’t imagine anything greater than themselves”, then DON’T BOTHER ARGUING. There’s no getting through to that person on any level.

34 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:15:05pm

re: #2 Gus

One of the Kinist goons wrote something about the Scott Terry/CPAC evemt:

Oratorical Terrorism: How Scott Terry Ruined CPAC
Matt Parrott

DARVO

Deny
Accuse
Reverse
Victim
and Offender

35 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:16:05pm

Invading Iraq was a mistake however it provides an incredible opportunity for the Iraqi people now that have been ridden of Saddam Hussein and the Baathists.

36 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:22:57pm

At the best of times, the forces of reason have a tenuous grasp on the course of history.

37 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:25:15pm

Now my wireless home phone is acting up, refusing to connect with the base. Solar flares? Is this the beginning of the end?

38 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:25:45pm

re: #33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Atheist pro tip: if a family member opines that “atheists are just angry at God”, and/or “atheists can’t imagine anything greater than themselves”, then DON’T BOTHER ARGUING. There’s no getting through to that person on any level.

I’ve known several decent, upstanding atheists. I have no problem with them unless they get militantly defensive and/or offended at the mere mention of a deity.

39 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:29:02pm

It is the beginning of the end. Of your phone.

40 Mattand  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:29:04pm

re: #33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Atheist pro tip: if a family member opines that “atheists are just angry at God”, and/or “atheists can’t imagine anything greater than themselves”, then DON’T BOTHER ARGUING. There’s no getting through to that person on any level.

One the first one, I like to say being angry at God is akin to being angry at Bugs Bunny, but it usually doesn’t go over well.

41 EmmaAnne  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:34:54pm

re: #33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Atheist pro tip: if a family member opines that “atheists are just angry at God”, and/or “atheists can’t imagine anything greater than themselves”, then DON’T BOTHER ARGUING. There’s no getting through to that person on any level.

I don’t know how to argue with that. It doesn’t even scan.

42 calochortus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:34:57pm

re: #38 thedopefishlives

I’ve known several decent, upstanding atheists. I have no problem with them unless they get militantly defensive and/or offended at the mere mention of a deity.

I was almost snarky here, but decided against it. I trust you don’t really mean it to sound quite like it comes across to me, anyway. Consider the slightly changed version:

I’ve known several decent, upstanding people of faith. I have no problem with them unless they get militantly defensive and/or offended at the mere lack of mention of their preferred deity.

Atheists are pretty much like everybody else except for the lack of belief in a deity. We don’t attend religious services, but other than that we live lives that aren’t easily distinguished from the rest of the world.

43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:38:55pm

re: #38 thedopefishlives

I’ve known several decent, upstanding atheists. I have no problem with them unless they get militantly defensive and/or offended at the mere mention of a deity.

I’ve known several decent, upstanding theists. I have no problem with them unless they get militantly assertive and/or offended at the mere denial of a deity.

44 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:43:41pm

re: #42 calochortus

I was almost snarky here, but decided against it. I trust you don’t really mean it to sound quite like it comes across to me, anyway. Consider the slightly changed version:

Atheists are pretty much like everybody else except for the lack of belief in a deity. We don’t attend religious services, but other than that we live lives that aren’t easily distinguished from the rest of the world.

The 1.6% of us are destroying the world.

45 calochortus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:45:07pm

re: #44 Kronocide

The 1.6% of us are destroying the world.

Bwahahahaha.

46 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:54:19pm

Philosoraptor asks:

How can an atheist be angry in God if he doesn’t believe in God?

47 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:57:08pm

re: #46 Kronocide

Philosoraptor asks:

How can an atheist be angry in God if he doesn’t believe in God?

Because atheists are like other people: A minority of them derive some form of satisfaction from angry, DERPy rants, and a partially overlapping group uses atheism to satisfy its members need to feel self-righteous and superior to others.

48 calochortus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:59:47pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but the point is you can’t really be angry at something that doesn’t exist. When was the last time you were really angry with the Tooth Fairy?

49 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:03:32pm

Sorry. Still going with Hitch.

50 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:04:16pm

re: #48 calochortus

Yes, but the point is you can’t really be angry at something that doesn’t exist. When was the last time you were really angry with the Tooth Fairy?

There are atheists who are angry at religion and religious people. There are also religious people who are angry at religious and religious people, though they make an exception for their own faith.

51 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:05:10pm
52 calochortus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:05:16pm

re: #50 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There are atheists who are angry at religion and religious people. There are also religious people who are angry at religious and religious people, though they make an exception for their own faith.

Too many angry people out there.

53 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:06:22pm

re: #48 calochortus

Yes, but the point is you can’t really be angry at something that doesn’t exist. When was the last time you were really angry with the Tooth Fairy?

Those angry atheists sometimes get pissy when some members of the 98.4% go douchey.

Not condoning it…. but I understand.

54 calochortus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:08:19pm

re: #53 Kronocide

Yeah, I might get annoyed with religious people, but not God, which was the original statement. I don’t believe in God.

55 calochortus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:09:13pm

Anyhoo, I need to catch up on some reading.

56 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:19:19pm

re: #51 Gus

You’ve got a good point, but you’ll never get through to the rejectionists; Those who see the Operation: IRAQI FREEDOM as a disaster created by BushHitler with no redeeming points whatsoever.

More of that need to be self-righteous in play with that kind of rejectionist, as well with the right-wing rejectionists who hate Barack Obama.

57 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:19:20pm
58 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:22:05pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

You’ve got a good point, but you’ll never get through to the rejectionists; Those who see the Operation: IRAQI FREEDOM as a disaster created by BushHitler with no redeeming points whatsoever.

More of that need to be self-righteous in play with that kind of rejectionist, as well with the right-wing rejectionists who hate Barack Obama.

There was a lot of killing in Iraq after we invaded, too. A hell of a lot. Lots of Shi’ite killing Sunni, some vice-versa.

59 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:22:44pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

You’ve got a good point, but you’ll never get through to the rejectionists; Those who see the Operation: IRAQI FREEDOM as a disaster created by BushHitler with no redeeming points whatsoever.

More of that need to be self-righteous in play with that kind of rejectionist, as well with the right-wing rejectionists who hate Barack Obama.

Iraq is better off now than it was on 9/10. A lot of lives were lost. But people are still dying under the brutal regime of Assad in Syria. It is up to the Iraqi people now to make lemonade from their lemons.

60 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:23:53pm

And now Destro is getting praise from all the wrong people. Daedalus AKA Rodan AKA Dorkus is praising Destro for his ugly insult of Curious Lurker. Dorkus justifies the insult in true Gellerite fashion, calling it justified because CL is a Muslim.

Congrats Destro, the bigots think your nastiness on Saturday was the Cat’s Meow!

[flips Stalkers the bird]

61 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:23:59pm

re: #48 calochortus

Yes, but the point is you can’t really be angry at something that doesn’t exist. When was the last time you were really angry with the Tooth Fairy?

A not insignificant number of people refuse to believe that atheists really don’t think there’s a God. They think that atheists know deep down that God exists, but claim otherwise so as to absolve themselves of any responsibility to worship him or obey his moral laws.

John Calvin (from The Institutes of the Christian Religion):

All men of sound Judgment will therefore hold, that a sense of Deity is indelibly engraven on the human heart. [I. iii. 3] … The expression of David (Psalm 14:1, 53:1), “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God,” is primarily applied to those who, as will shortly farther appear, stifle the light of nature, and intentionally stupefy themselves. [I. iv. 2]

62 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:24:38pm

re: #58 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There was a lot of killing in Iraq after we invaded, too. A hell of a lot. Lots of Shi’ite killing Sunni, some vice-versa.

That’s because the Ba’ath Party or Sunni were busy slaughtering Shi’ite by the thousands before the Iraq War. Saddam also was intent on the genocide of Kurds.

63 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:26:04pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

And now Destro is getting praise from all the wrong people. Daedalus AKA Rodan AKA Dorkus is praising Destro for his ugly insult of Curious Lurker. Dorkus justifies the insult in true Gellerite fashion, calling it justified because CL is a Muslim.

Congrats Destro, the bigots think your nastiness on Saturday was the Cat’s Meow!

[flips Stalkers the bird]

The weird part of course is that Destro also, most likely, supported Saddam Hussein’s regime. They’re clueless and drunk.

64 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:26:31pm

re: #58 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There was a lot of killing in Iraq after we invaded, too. A hell of a lot. Lots of Shi’ite killing Sunni, some vice-versa.

I’m not saying their wasn’t. I’m just agreeing with Gus that getting rid of Saddam and the Baath Party, even if it was a mistake, was not without its positive aspects.

65 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:27:49pm

re: #63 Gus

The weird part of course is that Destro also, most likely, supported Saddam Hussein’s regime. They’re clueless and drunk.

He’s openly stated he thinks Saddam was better than the Saudis. And I’d lay a bet that he wishes Saddam Hussein had overrun Saudi Arabia in 1990.

66 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:28:16pm

re: #59 Gus

Iraq is better off now than it was on 9/10.

I’m really not sure it is. From what I’ve heard, the judicial system is extremely corrupt. You can’t move around as a foreigner without an armed escort. The police use torture. People disappear.

It may be better. I don’t know. I’d like to think it was.

67 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:32:36pm

re: #66 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m really not sure it is. From what I’ve heard, the judicial system is extremely corrupt. You can’t move around as a foreigner without an armed escort. The police use torture. People disappear.

It may be better. I don’t know. I’d like to think it was.

I’d like to think it is. The Arab Spring is an outcome IMO. I do know one thing. The Kurds sleep better at night.

68 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:32:47pm

re: #62 Gus

That’s because the Ba’ath Party or Sunni were busy slaughtering Shi’ite by the thousands before the Iraq War. Saddam also was intent on the genocide of Kurds.

Well, yeah. And Sunni still slaughtered Shi’ite in some places after we took over.

I have no idea if Iraq is better off now than it was before the invasion. Certainly a lot more people are dead. They’re not better off.

69 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:33:30pm

re: #66 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m really not sure it is. From what I’ve heard, the judicial system is extremely corrupt. You can’t move around as a foreigner without an armed escort. The police use torture. People disappear.

It may be better. I don’t know. I’d like to think it was.

Fewer people disappear, a lot fewer. FAR fewer are tortured. Elections now mean something. The rape rooms and children’s prisons are gone.

That’s progress, even if highly flawed.

70 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:33:52pm

re: #66 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

From what I’ve read, it’s better only in that Saddam is gone. We’ve done a shitty job in rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure, billions of dollars have gone missing, and the present government there is on shaky foundations. It’s going to take at least another decade to repair the physical, social, economic and political damage done by the war. I doubt Washington is even considering helping on that front.

71 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:35:08pm

re: #67 Gus

I’d like to think it is. The Arab Spring is an outcome IMO. I do know one thing. The Kurds sleep better at night.

The Kurds and the Iraqi government exchange gunfire a lot, which isn’t that good for sleep.

nytimes.com

I guess at least the Kurds have their own standing army now instead of a bunch of irregulars.

72 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:35:16pm

re: #68 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, yeah. And Sunni still slaughtered Shi’ite in some places after we took over.

I have no idea if Iraq is better off now than it was before the invasion. Certainly a lot more people are dead. They’re not better off.

Disagree. The Sunni have been slaughtering Shi’ite from time to time now for thousands of years. It happens in Pakistan almost weekly and The Kingdom doesn’t seem to care. The Taliban in Afghanistan was on a killing spree long before 9/11. They are an outcome of radical Madrasas in Pakistan.

73 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:35:59pm

re: #71 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The Kurds and the Iraqi government exchange gunfire a lot, which isn’t that good for sleep.

www.nytimes.com

I guess at least the Kurds have their own standing army now instead of a bunch of irregulars.

They also take fire from Turkey. Whose PM thinks Israel is a terrorist state.

74 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:36:00pm

re: #68 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, yeah. And Sunni still slaughtered Shi’ite in some places after we took over.

I have no idea if Iraq is better off now than it was before the invasion. Certainly a lot more people are dead. They’re not better off.

No way the Baathists were ever leaving except “feet first”. Any method of getting rid of them, from within Iraq and from without, was always going to be bloody. Saddam Hussein had spent decades making sure of that.

75 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:36:29pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

Fewer people disappear, a lot fewer.

Really? Can you demonstrate this, please?

FAR fewer are tortured.

Or this?

The rape rooms and children’s prisons are gone.

Nope.

guardian.co.uk

Hundreds of children, some as young as nine, are being held in appalling conditions in Baghdad’s prisons, sleeping in sweltering temperatures in overcrowded cells without working fans, no daily access to showers, and subject to frequent sexual abuse by guards, current and former prisoners say.

At Karkh juvenile prison, Omar Ali, a 16-year-old who has spent more than three years there, showed the multiple skin sores he and many other fellow inmates have contracted through lying on thin, sweat-soaked mattresses night after night.

“The electricity comes from a generator and it’s only switched on during the two-hour weekly session when visitors come in, and for two or three hours in the evening. We are convinced the guards sell the generator fuel on the black market,” he said.

76 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:37:07pm

re: #70 wheat-dogghazi

From what I’ve read, it’s better only in that Saddam is gone. We’ve done a shitty job in rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure, billions of dollars have gone missing, and the present government there is on shaky foundations. It’s going to take at least another decade to repair the physical, social, economic and political damage done by the war. I doubt Washington is even considering helping on that front.

Whether the war was justified will be a matter of historical debate, which is pretty much par for the course.

77 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:37:24pm

re: #72 Gus

Disagree. The Sunni have been slaughtering Shi’ite from time to time now for thousands of years. It happens in Pakistan almost weekly and The Kingdom doesn’t seem to care. The Taliban in Afghanistan was on a killing spree long before 9/11. They are an outcome of radical Madrasas in Pakistan.

I’m sorry, you disagree with what, exactly?

78 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:40:51pm

Getting back to the History (*cough*) channel show, The Bible, apparently it is coming out in book form:

‘The Bible’ the Novel About a Program About the Bible?

So while browsing through the New Releases section at Barnes and Noble yesterday, I came across this rather fascinating book:

[ amazon.com ]

In case you were wondering, yes, this is a novel based upon the History Channel special, ‘The Bible’–which happens to be a dramatization of….the bible. So this is a watered-down book from a watered down television series about a very nuanced and multifaceted book (actually a large collection of books). But the title and the function of this book is both condescending and ignorant for various reasons…

[…]

So it is quite sad–pathetic even–that the version that people should be reading (that is, the actual bible) is selling less copies currently than the craptastic watered-down book based upon a rather conservative (yet liberally rendered) televised dramatization of the bible.

Wow, we can now get “The Bible” in book form!

79 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:41:16pm

re: #78 freetoken

Now with fewer begats.

80 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:42:02pm

re: #75 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That was 4 years ago. Has there been any follow-up since?

81 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:42:28pm

re: #77 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m sorry, you disagree with what, exactly?

That this started happening because of the Americans. Sectarian violence has been an ongoing problem. Most of which is ignored.

82 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:42:30pm

re: #78 freetoken

Reader’s Digest Condensed Books could do it better, I’m sure. But then the Religious Right would get all hot and bothered.

83 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:44:04pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

That was 4 years ago. Has there been any follow-up since?

Yeah, they’re still arresting 9 year olds and torturing people.

Here’s the Amnesty International report on the past decade if you want to depress yourself.

amnesty.org

84 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:45:07pm

re: #83 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah, they’re still arresting 9 year olds and torturing people.

Here’s the Amnesty International report on the past decade if you want to depress yourself.

www.amnesty.org

So what’s your answer?

85 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:45:43pm

re: #38 thedopefishlives

I’ve known several decent, upstanding atheists. I have no problem with them unless they get militantly defensive and/or offended at the mere mention of a deity.

Try and imagine what it would be like if you woke up one day to find that the majority of your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers and fellow citizens were Scientologists. The most devout among them would regularly go in for auditing, would treat their E-Meters very VERY seriously, would read LRH tech with the utmost sincerety, and spent every minute (and dollar) of their lives pursuing ever higher Operating Thetan Levels. They would sign billion-year contracts with Sea Org. After having spent sufficient money and years, they would come to learn that an evil alien called Xenu embarked on a conspiracy with space-psychiatrists to transport victims to Earth where they would be killed with nuclear bombs at the base of volcanoes.

Further, try and imagine that THAT is not “the minority position”. Most people believe that. You do not believe that. You, in fact, believe that is some of the most preposterous shit ever dreamed up.

In earlier times, and in worse places even today, letting it slip that you think all that stuff is a load of bollocks could get you killed.

Now imagine someone coming along and saying that they’ve “known several decent, upstanding nonbelievers in Xenu. I have no problem with them unless they get militantly defensive and/or offended at the mere mention of Xenu.”

86 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:45:53pm

re: #81 Gus

That this started happening because of the Americans. Sectarian violence has been an ongoing problem. Most of which is ignored.

I don’t think people ignore that it’s an ongoing problem, no. That Muslims kill other Muslims a lot is pretty well-established.

And I was just addressing the idea that Iraq is better off now. I have no idea if it is. I know it is seriously fucked and that the judicial system remains corrupt. Calculating whether or not it’s better off would be difficult and depressing.

87 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:46:46pm

re: #83 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah, they’re still arresting 9 year olds and torturing people.

Here’s the Amnesty International report on the past decade if you want to depress yourself.

www.amnesty.org

Well, the arrests aren’t random, as I understand it. Though I confess AmI is not a group of my favorite people, as they always call for gentleness, even when the situation clearly requires a “hammer down” approach.

88 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:47:02pm

re: #78 freetoken

Getting back to the History (*cough*) channel show, The Bible, apparently it is coming out in book form:

‘The Bible’ the Novel About a Program About the Bible?

Wow, we can now get “The Bible” in book form!

Coming soon to a store near you:The Bible: the Miniseries: the Book: the CliffsNotes™.

89 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:47:59pm

re: #79 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, it is long overdue for a new edition.

So, as in the old days, why not gather 70 (or is that 72?) scribes (or is that virgins - virginal scribes perhaps?) in Alexandria, set them in a room for a year and have them come up with rewrite.

90 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:49:02pm

re: #84 Gus

So what’s your answer?

Answer to what? To despots brutalizing their own citizens? There isn’t any fast or good or quick answer. It takes, first of all, us not support regimes that torture and kill and kidnap just because they’re strategically valuable to us. We still do that.

There’s no magic wand. Right now, in Russia, they’re kicking the shit out of pro-Democracy people. Any solution for that? Nope. Hungary has actual fascists in the streets attacking Jews. Is there a solution for that? Nope. No fast one, anyway. Any real solution will take decades.

91 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:49:10pm

Meanwhile, Israel is still building settlements inside the 1967 borders while claiming a peace plan would be acceptable with 1967 borders. Can you say passive-aggressive much?

92 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:49:49pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

Well, the arrests aren’t random, as I understand it.

What does whether or not the arrests are random have to do with anything?

Though I confess AmI is not a group of my favorite people, as they always call for gentleness, even when the situation clearly requires a “hammer down” approach.

Er, is this in regard to arresting 9 year olds and putting them in prisons without electricity?

93 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:50:31pm

re: #89 freetoken

Well, it is long overdue for a new edition.

So, as in the old days, why not gather 70 (or is that 72?) scribes (or is that virgins - virginal scribes perhaps?) in Alexandria, set them in a room for a year and have them come up with rewrite.

Did you know there’s a Cockney version of the bible? There really, really is, and it’s really freaking terrible.

The Lord’s Prayer, Cockney edition, starts out with,

“Hello dad, up there in good old heaven.”

94 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:50:54pm

re: #92 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

What does whether or not the arrests are random have to do with anything?

Er, is this in regard to arresting 9 year olds and putting them in prisons without electricity?

Now, its much more general than that. It’s an opinion I’ve held since college.

95 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:52:40pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Now, its much more general than that. It’s an opinion I’ve held since college.

Okay. Well, it’s not to the point. Amnesty International is very good at documenting abuses and atrocities. That you thought that the children’s prisons were closed is a little surprising, but if you want to educate yourself more on the human rights abuses in Iraq so you don’t make mistakes like that, the PDF is probably a good thing to read, though it will anger up your blood.

Anyway, my wife is about to get back from a 14 hour day so I’m going to cook her up something nice.

I can’t save any 9 year old kids in Iraq but I can feed my wife, I guess.

96 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:53:42pm

re: #93 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Did you know there’s a Cockney version of the bible? There really, really is, and it’s really freaking terrible.

The Lord’s Prayer, Cockney edition, starts out with,

“Hello dad, up there in good old heaven.”

9 u pray leik dis: Ceiling Cat, who r watchin us, u can has cheezburger.10 Wut yu want, yu gets, srsly.11 Let us dis day has our dalee cheezburger.12 And furgiv us for makin u a cookie, but eateding it, same as we furgiv teh kittehz taht maked us cookiez, but eated tehm.13 An leed us not into teh showa, but deliver us from teh wawter. Cuz all our base n teh pwnage n teh +1s r belong 2 U 4eva&evah, srlsy kthxbai.

(Lolcat Bible Translation Project)

97 palomino  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:56:05pm

re: #2 Gus

One of the Kinist goons wrote something about the Scott Terry/CPAC evemt:

Oratorical Terrorism: How Scott Terry Ruined CPAC
Matt Parrott

White nationalists are dead enders, prattling on about race wars and the real racism being in the Democratic Party.

I just can’t see how a white person (especially in the South) could see himself as disenfranchised. I’m guessing he doesn’t really understand the term.

And his feelings are likely the result of having a little less white privilege than the previous generation. In relative terms, whites are slightly less dominant in the South than they once were, and to the mental defectives in the group (Scott Terry, for example) this makes them the victim of bigotry. Totally ass-backwards thinking.

98 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:57:29pm

Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (ie, choose to have normal or homo- sexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.

2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.

3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.

4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.

5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.

6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).

7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.

8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.

9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.

10. Cancelling the need for a husband’s consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.

99 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:59:39pm

Speaking of not-history on the “History” channel, not long ago the BBC, whose documentaries have been very good to just blah at times, produced a show called “Chivalry and Betrayal: The Hundred Years War”.

It’s worth seeking out.

Definitely the type of show that The History Channel doesn’t produce.

Namely, history.

100 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:00:25pm

re: #99 freetoken

Speaking of not-history on the “History” channel, not long ago the BBC, whose documentaries have been very good to just blah at times, produced a show called “Chivalry and Betrayal: The Hundred Years War”.

It’s worth seeking out.

Definitely the type of show that The History Channel doesn’t produce.

Namely, history.

Do you watch a lot of TV? I don’t.

101 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:00:49pm

re: #100 Gus

Do you watch a lot of TV? I don’t.

I find on the internet what is worth watching.

102 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:04:04pm

re: #98 Gus

Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

I always get them and Conservative Christians mixed up.

103 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:04:16pm

Bzzt. Clinton and Gore had about the same policy lines on Iraq as Bush. In fact, Gore ran with that.

104 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:06:29pm

re: #98 Gus

Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

Not a surprise that they feel that way, but it is a surprise they’re admitting it so openly. But it does make their evil as plain as day.

105 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:13:41pm

re: #103 Gus

Bzzt. Clinton and Gore had about the same policy lines on Iraq as Bush. In fact, Gore ran with that.

There’s no way to know, of course, but I don’t think Gore would have invaded Iraq after 9/11.

106 palomino  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:14:03pm

re: #103 Gus

Bzzt. Clinton and Gore had about the same policy lines on Iraq as Bush. In fact, Gore ran with that.

Yeah, except that Clinton said, “Thanks, but no thanks” when pressed by neocons in the 90’s to invade Iraq. My guess is that Gore would have done the same, kept his eye on the ball in Af-Pak, and not followed the advice of Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al., given the fact that, among other things, they wouldn’t have been in his administration.

And Gore voted against the First Persian Gulf War, so it’s doubtful he would have started the Second (much bigger) version thereof.

107 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:15:54pm

Interesting History lesson from the Maddow show tonight. New Tapes released from LBJ calls really sheds new light on the Vietnam war.. I don’t always agree with her but I really appreciate the discussion she brings to the table.

108 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:21:17pm

re: #98 Gus

Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

It’s utterly loathsome and grotesque. But successful pushback against it, ultimately, can only come from within the Muslim world.

(think of it this way - did a foreign power convince the US to end slavery, give women the right to vote, end segregation, etc? No, America had to make those changes for itself)

109 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:24:16pm

Imagine a headline that is “Explaining Obama’s Fixation with Israel”

If I wrote that here people would raise an eyebrow or three… after all, isn’t one of the complaints conservatives/wingnuts have against Obama about how he ignored Israel and had never traveled there?

Well, guess what, NRO just ran a piece with that headline.

From none less than Daniel Pipes.

“Fixation with Israel”, if it applies to anybody, applies to fundamentalists and neo-cons.

Now Pipes is declaring that Obama has such fixation.

Will the projections never end?

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:26:55pm

re: #107 HoosierHoops

Interesting History lesson from the Maddow show tonight. New Tapes released from LBJ calls really sheds new light on the Vietnam war.. I don’t always agree with her but I really appreciate the discussion she brings to the table.

22,000 American lives lost from ‘68 to ‘73 because of Nixon. He deserves a special place in Hell for that.

112 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:30:36pm

re: #111 Gus

Well, I think it is important that the video you linked is from 1992. And, Saddam did indeed have a history of harboring terrorists - but this was way before AQ. Abu Nidal for example, lived there until he committed suicide (ahem…).

113 palomino  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:36:08pm

re: #111 Gus

Gore criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq’s ties to terrorism

[Embedded content]

But Iraq’s ties to terrorism weren’t the reason Bush Sr. took us to Iraq in 1991.

And highlighting those ties hardly suggests Gore would have approved a similar war, particularly given the fact that he opposed both wars: the first while he was a Senator; the second while a private citizen merely duping—singlehandedly!—the entire world into believing climate change.

114 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:37:09pm

re: #112 freetoken

Well, I think it is important that the video you linked is from 1992. And, Saddam did indeed have a history of harboring terrorists - but this was way before AQ. Abu Nidal for example, lived there until he committed suicide (ahem…).

It should also be pointed out that Bush Sr. bears a major portion of the blame for Saddam’s post-First Gulf War purge of those in Iraq’s borders who opposed his rule and had been sought to follow up on the encouragement given by the Bush White House to rise up against Saddam.

Thousand died because we told them that if they rose up, we’d be there to support them, when really nobody in the West had the stomach to support such an uprising. Those mass graves pictured above? Many of those were filled with men, women, and children who’d died hoping that the US would save them from Saddam.

115 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:48:25pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

22,000 American lives lost from ‘68 to ‘73 because of Nixon. He deserves a special place in Hell for that.

The tapes have revealed how politics changed the war.. And Nixon interfering with the peace talks and LBJ declaring it was an act of treason in a private call with a US Senator? Unbelievable and sickening.

116 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:50:24pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

22,000 American lives lost from ‘68 to ‘73 because of Nixon. He deserves a special place in Hell for that.

… and not for the Vietnamese lives lost?

117 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:51:02pm
118 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:55:41pm

re: #116 Shvaughn

… and not for the Vietnamese lives lost?

I don’t mean to sound callous when I say “them too.” Really, the costs of the war, in human terms, economic terms, political terms, and so forth on both sides that could have been avoided had it been brought to a negotiated end in ‘68 should earn Nixon the title of Worst President in History. He actually one-ups James Buchanan, because he didn’t just sit on his ass while the country moved to war, he actively worked to prolong a war to ensure his election to the presidency.

119 palomino  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:00:45pm

re: #117 Gus

This shows Clinton’s smarts and restraint in contrast to Bush/Cheney. Under Clinton, we attacked (dropped bombs), but neither invaded nor tried to nation build.

I don’t think there’s much debate as to who made the better call. Hell, Republicans (except those named Cheney) don’t even like to talk about the Iraq War anymore. They’ve moved on and finally rejected the silly notion that the War will be rehabilitated in the eyes of historians and the general public if they just appear on more talk shows and repeat that it was all a great triumph. Like Vietnam, this ship has sailed.

120 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:02:46pm

re: #117 Gus

…and with that attack President Clinton destroyed the last of Saddam Hussein’s WMDs.

121 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:02:59pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

I don’t mean to sound callous when I say “them too.” Really, the costs of the war, in human terms, economic terms, political terms, and so forth on both sides that could have been avoided had it been brought to a negotiated end in ‘68 should earn Nixon the title of Worst President in History. He actually one-ups James Buchanan, because he didn’t just sit on his ass while the country moved to war, he actively worked to prolong a war to ensure his election to the presidency.

That’s what the tapes reveal about the History of the Vietnam war..
Nice Summary

122 palomino  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:11:32pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

I don’t mean to sound callous when I say “them too.” Really, the costs of the war, in human terms, economic terms, political terms, and so forth on both sides that could have been avoided had it been brought to a negotiated end in ‘68 should earn Nixon the title of Worst President in History. He actually one-ups James Buchanan, because he didn’t just sit on his ass while the country moved to war, he actively worked to prolong a war to ensure his election to the presidency.

I “love” the tapes released a couple years back of Nixon and Kissinger discussing the bombing of Cambodia. Kissinger is clearly hesitant about such use of force, and he advises against the bombing because of civilian casualties and Cambodia’s status as a non-combatant nation. (Kissinger also says he’s concerned about appearances and the effect on Nixon’s legacy.)

Nixon responds by essentially saying he doesn’t care about that shit…and then effectively calls Kissinger a pussy for expressing such concerns. I don’t have much nice to say about Nixon, other than he was an ideological moderate and secularist by comparison to today’s Republicans.

123 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:19:21pm

What Rinsed Prius won’t face - the GOP is now the party of anti-modernity.

However, at the grass roots it becomes evident, especially as grasses root into asphalt:

Disappointed GOP didn’t back N.H. road improvements

I was disappointed to read (N.H. Roll Call, Sunday, March 10, 2013) that my state representative, Pamela Tucker, voted against the Gas Tax & Road Improvements legislation in the N.H. House.

After rereading the article, I became doubly disappointed to see that all of the region’s Republican representatives save one voted against the legislation. With the serious deterioration of the state’s roads and bridges, New Hampshire can no longer claim to be a pro-business state. Our highways are the lifeblood of the state’s economy getting workers to and from their jobs as well as providing the means of freight movement. […] it is essential to have good roads.

When I was growing up, the Republican Party was noted as being the “party of business” and stood for enhancing its growth. Now I call on the Republican Party, particularly those in the N.H. Senate, to stop being the “party of no,” the party of reaction, etc., and get with the program to pass the long-overdue gas tax increase for improving our highway system.

Leonard M. Schwab

Greenland

Reactionary atavism is not governance, and that becomes evident quickly in the real world.

Maybe the Rinsed one ought to own up to that.

124 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:21:03pm

re: #122 palomino

I “love” the tapes released a couple years back of Nixon and Kissinger discussing the bombing of Cambodia. Kissinger is clearly hesitant about such use of force, and he advises against the bombing because of civilian casualties and Cambodia’s status as a non-combatant nation. (Kissinger also says he’s concerned about appearances and the effect on Nixon’s legacy.)

Nixon responds by essentially saying he doesn’t care about that shit…and then effectively calls Kissinger a pussy for expressing such concerns. I don’t have much nice to say about Nixon, other than he was an ideological moderate and secularist by comparison to today’s Republicans.

Richard Nixon was a bastard, more specifically a pragmatic bastard. Every step he took was towards getting elected and then staying elected. He’s moderate by comparison to the modern GOP, but that’s not praise for him so much as an acknowledgment of just how far to the right the GOP has drug itself since the 70s. That Nixon orchestrated the extension of the Vietnam War, then the escalation in the hopes of getting the deal he’d promised the South Vietnamese, doesn’t surprise me a bit.

The man likely went with the deal figuring that when he got into office, Hanoi would be willing to come back to the table and deal with him. He’d negotiate the end of the war, win praise for having ended things with a minimal loss of life, and he could move onto things that were more to his liking.

125 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:23:30pm

re: #123 freetoken

What Rinsed Prius won’t face - the GOP is now the party of anti-modernity.

However, at the grass roots it becomes evident, especially as grasses root into asphalt:

Disappointed GOP didn’t back N.H. road improvements

Reactionary atavism is not governance, and that becomes evident quickly in the real world.

Maybe the Rinsed one ought to own up to that.

It’s sad that the reason for voting against such a bill could be as simple as believing that it’s wrong to raise taxes or as asinine as believing that if roads need improvement/repair, private businesses will do it on their own.

126 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:30:53pm

Tennessee is deeply afraid of teh ghey:

A ‘Religious Right’ to Not Counsel Gays?

127 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:37:54pm

re: #126 freetoken

Tennessee is deeply afraid of teh ghey:

A ‘Religious Right’ to Not Counsel Gays?

Heaven forbid a Christian be expected to actually aid a homosexual as part of their job.

128 allegro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:43:22pm

re: #127 Kragar (Antichrist )

Heaven forbid a Christian be expected to actually aid a homosexual as part of their job.

For the sake of the potential client/patient, this is a feature. Not a bug.

129 palomino  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:52:09pm

re: #126 freetoken

Tennessee is deeply afraid of teh ghey:

A ‘Religious Right’ to Not Counsel Gays?

Sadly the gay rights divide matches up very closely with the red state/blue state schism.

No red state offers any legal status to same sex couples. Indeed, most red states specifically prohibit any type of same sex coupling in their state constitutions.

OTOH, 19 blue states offer either marriage or civil unions. The overall divide couldn’t be much more stark. Gay rights map

130 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:55:48pm

Rand Paul inches more towards consistent “libertarianism” and less revanchist:

Tea Party favorite Rand Paul backs path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, with conditions

The patriots over at Free Republic are not happy. Comments about Rand’s decision:

No, Mr. Paul, I am not willing to let those who stole into my country vote to determine my and my country’s fate.
6 posted on Mon Mar 18 2013 21:23:52 GMT-0700 (PDT) by chris37 (Heartless.)

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Never thought a communist was correct, but Nikita Khrushchev looks to have been. He said they would overrun the US without firing a single shot. Never thought our leaders would help Nikita Khrushchev’s dream to come true. I was wrong.

15 posted on Mon Mar 18 2013 21:31:50 GMT-0700 (PDT) by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)

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and so forth.

132 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:09:18pm

re: #130 freetoken

133 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:11:51pm

conservatives will leave out the back and you’ll wonder where they went

yeah, i truly do wonder where the hell you think you’d go

134 palomino  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:20:44pm

re: #130 freetoken

Rand Paul inches more towards consistent “libertarianism” and less revanchist:

Tea Party favorite Rand Paul backs path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, with conditions

The patriots over at Free Republic are not happy. Comments about Rand’s decision:

—

—

and so forth.

It should be entertaining over the next few months to see the conflict between the strident anti-immigration wing of the party and the wing that has taken a look at the scoreboard and interpreted its results. The Rubios and McCains and others who understand math have reached the correct conclusion, “We can’t win national elections with 5% of the black vote and 25% of the Hispanic vote. We have to stop the bleeding with Hispanics.”

Still, I don’t think immigration reform will quickly turn many Hispanics Republican; among other things, the Dems are pretty united in favor of reform, while Republicans are not. And a Dem President will be the one signing whatever bill gets passed.

The sudden embrace of immigration reform is the result of Republicans looking at the scoreboard and the results finally sinking in.

135 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:28:40pm

re: #2 Gus

One of the Kinist goons wrote something about the Scott Terry/CPAC event:

Oratorical Terrorism: How Scott Terry Ruined CPAC
Matt Parrott

“We White Advocates have a tremendous amount of philosophical, organizational, and local work to do if we expect to secure a future for our children, but all we have to do to thwart the Republican Party’s attempts to betray us is to periodically show up and indulge in some oratorical terrorism.”

re: #132 Kragar (Antichrist )

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

“GOP: you welcome illegal aliens in the front door, conservatives will leave out the back and you’ll wonder where they went.”

Wow. These people are as crazy as shit house rats. Unbelievable.

Their hate controls them, and yet the new “mainstream” R’s embrace them. In fact, it appears they are *of* them. Who *wasn’t* attending CPAC, except for Christie?

It’s amazing what happens to racists, whackos, and feebs when a mixed race gentleman gets elected and then re-elected to be the President of the USofA.

But the R’s want be the Party of the Big Tent. Right?

When pigs take wing.

136 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:32:01pm

Updated job growth numbers put Wisconsin No. 44 among states since 2011

Read more: host.madison.com

137 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:57:12pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

It should also be pointed out that Bush Sr. bears a major portion of the blame for Saddam’s post-First Gulf War purge of those in Iraq’s borders who opposed his rule and had been sought to follow up on the encouragement given by the Bush White House to rise up against Saddam.

Thousand died because we told them that if they rose up, we’d be there to support them, when really nobody in the West had the stomach to support such an uprising. Those mass graves pictured above? Many of those were filled with men, women, and children who’d died hoping that the US would save them from Saddam.

A bit of perspective. We supported Saddam against the Iranians. Why? He was a Sunni and the Shiite Mullahs scared both us and the Saudis

We pushed Saddam out of Kuwait in Gulf War #1 because he was threatening the Saudis and was a *secular* Sunni. But after beating him like a red-headed stepchild, and with the road to Baghdad wide open, we stopped. Why? Because, asshole that he was, he was a Sunni and stood between Iran and the Saudis. But he was weakened, and the Iranian Mullahs were emboldened and both they and the Iraqi Shiites believed the west when we said we would support a popular uprising against Saddam. So the Iraqi Shiites rose, we did nothing, and they got slaughtered. Which kept the Iranians from influencing anything in Iraq for 11 years. Which hamstrung Iran.

Then came Gulf War #2, which has been a smashing success…

Whee! Geopolitics, the Great Game, is fun, isn’t it? Not that I’m cynical about it…

138 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:57:22pm

There is not one issue facing America where the GOP comes even close to having a sensible, reasoned position.

139 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 12:04:12am

re: #138 Kragar (Antichrist )

There is not one issue facing America where the GOP comes even close to having a sensible, reasoned position.

Well, the rich getting *richer* is certainly an issue for America and the GOP. And they certainly have a reasoned opinion on that. It’s good for America, you silly wiper of other peoples’ bottoms.

Bedtime. Night all. Sweet dreams!

140 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 12:56:10am

Spent the evening planning my younger girl’s new 40k army. She is very excited that she is getting to design, paint and assemble her own force. She decided she wanted to play Thousand Sons, because she likes the Egyptian motifs they feature and liked the idea of an army of ghosts trapped inside their armor. Because they’re tougher than a standard Marine force, we can get away with smaller squads than usual, and we decided on attaching some weapon beasts to them for heavy fire power. We’re going to place our order this weekend and hopefully begin the hard work next weekend when she starts spring break.

Color Scheme:
Image: 200px-ThousandSonsPost-Heresy.jpg

An assembled Squad:
Image: thousandsons.gif

Forgefiend (only ours will be painted in the Blue and Yellow pattern as above)

Image: Forgefiend-03.jpg

141 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 1:11:20am

Antonin Dvorak’s “Requiem Aeternum”:

MP3 Audio
142 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 1:29:08am

re: #126 freetoken

Tennessee is deeply afraid of teh ghey:

A ‘Religious Right’ to Not Counsel Gays?

It it is a religious and free speech right to say that you disagree with the homosexual lifestyle and find it against your religious beliefs, no matter how “depply held” these beliefs are.

Is there some sort of objective test for depth of belief?

But it is also a matter of law that you cannot discriminate against homosexuals. That is where “religious rights” are supposed to end in this country.

143 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 2:15:30am

“Graduale”:

MP3 Audio
144 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 2:39:28am

re: #132 Kragar (Antichrist )

GOP: you welcome illegal aliens in the front door, conservatives will leave out the back and you’ll wonder where they went.

BF is making a derpy but valid point: the GOP risks losing its “base” if it reaches out beyond bigots and religious fundamentalists. Problem is, this “base” is not expanding, just growing louder and more demanding on the party to embrace full-on conservative principles.

145 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:11:22am

Not what Rinse was hoping for, probably:

Rep. Dunn knocks UT’s planned ‘Sex Week’ in House floor speech

In a House floor speech Monday night, Rep. Bill Dunn said plans for “Sex Week” at the University of Tennessee provide an example of campus organizations promoting behavior offensive to Christians and why legislators need to protect them.

Sen. Stacey Campfield, meanwhile, said he expects UT officials to be called before the Senate Education Committee to explain the event, scheduled on the Knoxville campus April 7-12.

Campfield wrote members of the committee suggesting the panel reconsider its approval of UT’s budget for the coming year because of the event. He said Monday that the committee’s chairman, Sen. Dolores Gresham, R-Somerville, told him reconsideration of budget approval would be difficult, but that UT officials would be summoned to explain.

Dunn and Campfield, both Knoxville Republicans, cited a Fox News report on Sex Week, arranged by Sexual Empowerment and Awareness in Tennessee.

Dunn told House colleagues that participants will engage in a scavenger hunt for a golden condom and workshop topics include “getting laid,” “sex positivity,” “queer as a bug” and “how to turn up the heat on our sex drive.”

The Fox News report says the event will use about $20,000 in UT funds, mostly from student fees.

“My blood runs deep orange and it’s boiling,” said Dunn, repeating what he said was a comment from a UT alumnus.

[…]

Because we all know Fox News only serves up the truth, eh?

Nasty libruls, talking about sex and all.

146 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:12:58am

How horrible of U of Tennessee… they might offend someone’s Christian sensibilities.

147 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:15:25am

Meanwhile, down in Texas:

Texas lawmakers mull tracking chips in school IDs

Texas House members are to discuss a proposed ban on school districts from requiring student ID badges embedded with locator chips.

The bill by influential Republican Rep. Lois Kolkhorst of Brenham would allow voluntary use of such IDs, but wouldn’t let schools require it.

Kolkhorst has introduced unsuccessful proposals since 2005 to ban the chips in schools. She is detailing her latest bill Tuesday before the House Public Education Committee.

The proposal would require schools to provide alternative IDs to students whose parents object to chips.

[…]

Why are they afraid of “chips”. Oh, yes, I forgot, it’s the mark of the beast or something.

148 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:16:46am

The RNC may have to start some messaging about “messaging”.

Sort of meta-messaging.

149 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:18:48am

Here’s one that puts the “scary” in “scary GOP”:

Bachmann’s claim that 70 percent of food stamps go to ‘bureaucrats’

150 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:20:34am

“Dies Irae”:

MP3 Audio
151 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:48:58am

re: #148 freetoken

The RNC may have to start some messaging about “messaging”.

Sort of meta-messaging.

Heh.

Why not just automatically award four Pinocchios to EVERYTHING Michele Bachmann says and then let her repudiate it?

Might save you time and effort.

152 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:50:06am

Oops, wrong quote.

153 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:51:24am

“Tuba Mirum”:

MP3 Audio
154 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:57:26am

A choicely worded headline:

Mark Sanford Mounts His Comeback

155 freetoken  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:00:01am

Prostitution scandal surrounding Sen. Menendez was a lie, officials say

[…]

The videotaped interviews were ultimately put online by the Daily Caller, a conservative website, after several skeptical news organizations — including ABC News — were approached by an anonymous tipster.

An ethics advocacy group in Washington was also contacted but had doubts about the story as well, and gave what it knew to the FBI, which exchanged several e-mails with the anonymous tipster.

[…]

Brubaker urged a federal investigation into the matter, noting that making intentionally false reports to a federal law enforcement agency is a criminal offense.

“These lies were peddled to reporters by Republican operatives, as ABC has reported, and also sent to the FBI by parties yet unknown.”

The Daily Caller, which is operated by Tucker Carlson, a conservative commentator, said only that it “has not independently verified the identities of the women involved in the Dominican National Police investigation, but will continue to investigate the case.”

David Martosko, the Daily Caller’s executive editor, who wrote many of the articles, left the website last week to become U.S. political editor of the Daily Mail, a British daily tabloid.

[…]

Why are we not surprised that the Daily Fail would hire a slime from the Daily Caller?

156 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:00:26am

re: #154 freetoken

A choicely worded headline:

Mark Sanford Mounts His Comeback

“Comeback”? Some sort of beast you saddle up for the Appalachian Trail?

157 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:03:48am

re: #151 Varek Raith

Why not just automatically award four Pinocchios to EVERYTHING Michele Bachmann says and then let her repudiate it?.

MB does not repudiate, she refudiates.

Although they could get proactive and simply prefudiate whatever she says before she opens her motherhood-and-apple-piehole

158 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:29:15am

Good morning! First DERP of the Day!

159 Tigger2  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:31:30am

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

Good morning! First DERP of the Day!

Yeah a man that sat out the Nam in France.

160 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:32:38am

What makes Mitt “100x more a man” than Scott Prouty and Ed Show? Because he has 100000x more $$$?

161 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:52:55am
162 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:53:18am

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

Forcing somebody to own up to his own words is not “fighting dirty”.

163 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 4:54:44am

re: #162 Sol Berdinowitz

Forcing somebody to own up to his own words is not “fighting dirty”.

WAAAAH!!11 He made our candidate LOOK BAD by SEEKRITLY RECORDING HIS WORDS!!!1111

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:10:26am

Good morning Lizards!

Drizzly and misty this morning in Philadelphia. Fits the mood of the Flyers fans since they dropped another game last night.

Rain was heavy at times last night, but temp never quite dropped low enough for it to switch over into sleet or snow. Lucky for us I guess.

The political babble is getting annoying in its “our team right or wrong” approach. Sounds similar to sports talk radio in that you see this odd mix of misinformation, emotion, and irrationality leading to a constant geyser of childish claims, lies, and claiming of high ground that is in reality a boggy depression.

With sports teams you can write it off as something of relatively low import that allows people to vent a bit. In politics the stakes are higher, its profitable enough to draw the rabble rousers, and when it goes wrong a lot more damage gets done.

165 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:17:20am
166 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:22:40am

‘Morning, Lizards.

Is this new derpy news, or old derpy news that I missed somehow? I haven’t seen it, but the wingnuts on Facebook seem to love this story (big surprise there):

Hacker Begins Distributing Confidential Memos Sent To Hillary Clinton On Libya, Benghazi Attack

167 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:29:03am
168 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:48:52am
169 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:56:49am

re: #168 Lidane

Six Marines killed, eight wounded in overnight live fire exercise at US Army Depot in Hawthorne, NV.

Aww, man. How in the hell does that happen?

170 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:00:33am

Apparently an explosion.

171 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:00:49am

re: #169 makeitstop

Aww, man. How in the hell does that happen?

Six killed? Holy shit. That’s terrible. Those poor families.

172 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:09:01am

Also, honey traps are still a thing:

buzzfeed.com

A defense contractor who works in intelligence at the U.S. Pacific Command has been charged with giving national security secrets to a 27-year-old Chinese woman he was dating, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Monday.

Benjamin Pierce Bishop, 59, is accused of sending the woman an email last May with information on existing war plans, nuclear weapons and U.S. relations with international partners, according to the complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Honolulu.

The complaint alleged Bishop told the woman over the telephone in September about the deployment of U.S. strategic nuclear systems and about the ability of the U.S. to detect other nations’ low- and medium-range ballistic missiles.

173 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:11:29am

re: #165 Lidane

Pearce is completely opposed to any and all forms of amnesty.

174 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:15:37am

re: #173 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Pearce is completely opposed to any and all forms of amnesty.

See? He’s the perfect guy to reach out to those lazy, shiftless moochers and tell them to go home. Latino outreach at its finest.

///

Having Pearce as the poster boy for GOP Latino outreach is like having Code Pink recruiting for the military. WTF.

175 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:16:33am

re: #174 Lidane

The sad part is he does count as a ‘moderate’ because he doesn’t want hospitals to verify immigration status before treating sick people. That’s moderate in the GOP these days.

176 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:17:52am

re: #175 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The sad part is he does count as a ‘moderate’ because he doesn’t want hospitals to verify immigration status before treating sick people. That’s moderate in the GOP these days.

“Moderate” in the GOP right now means you’re advocating they be forced out of the country at gunpoint, you just want to make life so uncomfortable for them that they “self-deport.”

177 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:19:15am

re: #175 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The sad part is he does count as a ‘moderate’ because he doesn’t want hospitals to verify immigration status before treating sick people. That’s moderate in the GOP these days.

Not being a complete raging asshole counts as moderate in the GOP these days. =P

The GOP efforts at rebranding are a joke. The problem isn’t their branding. It’s their policies. If all you’re going to do is change how you talk about issues instead of actually changing your policy positions, it’s all a scam.

178 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:26:13am

re: #177 Lidane

Not being a complete raging asshole counts as moderate in the GOP these days. =P

The GOP efforts at rebranding are a joke. The problem isn’t their branding. It’s their policies. If all you’re going to do is change how you talk about issues instead of actually changing your policy positions, it’s all a scam.

It’s the metaphorical rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic. Grabbing up relative nobodies or third-party spokespeople and putting them out there in the public as “outreach” is going to bomb the moment they leave and the person they tried to butter up turns on Fox News or tunes into Rush Limbaugh.

179 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:29:59am

re: #178 Targetpractice

It’s the metaphorical rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic. Grabbing up relative nobodies or third-party spokespeople and putting them out there in the public as “outreach” is going to bomb the moment they leave and the person they tried to butter up turns on Fox News or tunes into Rush Limbaugh.

And it is going to be harder and harder to drop the evangelical crazy side since it has become their grass roots at the state and local level. The question is whether the business and corporate interests with the deep pockets are ever going to turn off the money faucet or try to find a new place to play. And when.

180 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:34:34am

re: #179 Feline Fearless Leader

And it is going to be harder and harder to drop the evangelical crazy side since it has become their grass roots at the state and local level. The question is whether the business and corporate interests with the deep pockets are ever going to turn off the money faucet or try to find a new place to play. And when.

That’s their biggest problem, namely that in the wake of Citizens United, the party leadership has lost a lot of their ability to scare the rank and file into jumping onto the new narrative or their ability to keep the riff raff out of the races. What’s that, the incumbent Republican Senator agreed to raise taxes 1/10th of a percent to pay for new doorknobs on the state capital? Well, now he’s got three or four challengers in the party primary, all bankrolled by big businesses looking to overturn those higher taxes, and all calling themselves “true conservatives.”

181 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:36:37am

re: #179 Feline Fearless Leader

And it is going to be harder and harder to drop the evangelical crazy side since it has become their grass roots at the state and local level. The question is whether the business and corporate interests with the deep pockets are ever going to turn off the money faucet or try to find a new place to play. And when.

The funny thing is, the bolded bit is exactly what this bullshit “rebranding” effort is trying to prevent.

If you read far enough into that report, the RNC want to completely change their nominating rules. Not only do they want to halve the number of debates, they also want to create a regional primary cluster after the traditional early states, and they want to switch entirely to primaries instead of caucuses and conventions. Each one of those things would marginalize the crazies even further and give the advantage to the well-funded establishment candidates like Mitt Romney.

The GOP establishment has no interest in actually changing any of their approach. They just want to reshape how they talk about issues and they want to marginalize the wingnuts.

182 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:40:29am

re: #181 Lidane

The GOP establishment has no interest in actually changing any of their approach. They just want to reshape how they talk about issues and they want to marginalize the wingnuts.

In modern GOP, wingnut marginalize you!

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:43:04am

re: #182 Sol Berdinowitz

In modern GOP, wingnut marginalize you!

That’s not the problem though. It’s the petulant POTUS denying White House tours to school children since he won’t compromise on the budget!

(spit) Pretty much an actual letter to the editor in a local Philadelphia paper.

184 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:47:42am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

(spit) Pretty much an actual letter to the editor in a local Philadelphia paper.

Yeah, that was an actual amendment to the Senate’s version of the Continuing Resolution, a bill that would take money from foreign aid to Egypt just to start up the White House tours again.

In fact, the long list of amendments proposed to the CR pretty much read as a laundry list of Senate Republicans trying to undo those portions of the sequester that are directly biting them in the ass.

185 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:49:06am

Good luck with that rebranding, Reince:

186 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:52:25am

Heh:

187 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:54:44am

re: #185 Lidane

Good luck with that rebranding, Reince:

Sure, go ahead, shut down the government. But before you do that, why not give Newt a call and ask him how well that worked out for Republicans in ‘96.

188 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:55:44am

re: #184 Targetpractice

Yeah, that was an actual amendment to the Senate’s version of the Continuing Resolution, a bill that would take money from foreign aid to Egypt just to start up the White House tours again.

In fact, the long list of amendments proposed to the CR pretty much read as a laundry list of Senate Republicans trying to undo those portions of the sequester that are directly biting them in the ass.

That explains all the wingnut Tweets which compare the apple of “Foreign Aid to Countries We Don’t Like” to the orange of “Stuff We Think The Government Should Continue to Pay For.”

Also, the constant complaining about “OBAMA’S GOLF & VACATIONS!!!111!!” when Bill Clinton and Ike Eisenhower played way way more golf. But that is only because wingnuts think the only thing Obama should be doing on a golf course is carrying someone else’s clubs.

189 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:56:57am

DERP

190 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:57:16am

DERPTY DERP

191 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:57:51am

DERP DERP HURR HURR

192 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:58:56am

re: #188 Vicious Babushka

That explains all the wingnut Tweets which compare the apple of “Foreign Aid to Countries We Don’t Like” to the orange of “Stuff We Think The Government Should Continue to Pay For.”

Also, the constant complaining about “OBAMA’S GOLF & VACATIONS!!!111!!” when Bill Clinton and Ike Eisenhower played way way more golf. But that is only because wingnuts think the only thing Obama should be doing on a golf course is carrying someone else’s clubs.

Yeah, it’s that attitude that says that there’s plenty of money to pay for everything they want, they just have to cut it from the things they hate. What’s that, the Army needs new boots? No problem, defund the Department of Education and you got plenty of money for boots and belts!

193 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:00:43am

re: #191 Vicious Babushka

And that is why all the “rebranding” efforts are doomed to fail.

The only thing that will ever push the GOP to truly reform itself is to run a total ideologue for POTUS and get a Mondale-style national humiliation for it.

194 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:01:06am

re: #189 Vicious Babushka

I’d say heavy drinkers have a higher risk of hazardous drinking than lesbians.

Has Fischer been watching some drunk girls or girl-on-girl videos lately? He seems to be off his usual boy-boy buttsex motif.

195 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:01:53am

re: #193 Lidane

And that is why all the “rebranding” efforts are doomed to fail.

The only thing that will ever push the GOP to truly reform itself is to run a total ideologue for POTUS and get a Mondale-style national humiliation for it.

They want Rand Paul to run. PAUL/RUBIO 2016 make Hillary haz a happy.

196 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:03:15am

re: #191 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR

At this point, I wanna see Rush run for elected office, just so the public who doesn’t tune into his radio station can get a good whiff of just what sort of man passes for a “true conservative” these days.

On the other hand, I’m afraid that with the way the GOP’s trying to rig elections that he might actually manage to win an election.

197 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:04:38am

re: #191 Vicious Babushka

You might like this.

buzzfeed.com

198 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:06:37am

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

They want Rand Paul to run. PAUL/RUBIO 2016 make Hillary haz a happy.

Ooh! Can we call that the “PUBIO” ticket?


Sorry, I’m feeling a bit twelve years old today. It’ll pass.

199 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:09:40am

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

They want Rand Paul to run. PAUL/RUBIO 2016 make Hillary haz a happy.

What, Ted Cruz said no?

200 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:12:31am

re: #197 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

You might like this.

www.buzzfeed.com

HA HA HA HA.

I think I have been asked most, if not all of those lame stereotypes.

201 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:12:55am

re: #199 Targetpractice

What, Ted Cruz said no?

HE’S A CANADIAN!!!

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:14:24am

re: #193 Lidane

And that is why all the “rebranding” efforts are doomed to fail.

The only thing that will ever push the GOP to truly reform itself is to run a total ideologue for POTUS and get a Mondale-style national humiliation for it.

They probably have to lose heavily in Congress as well for it to take hold. Right now they have stalemate, and that might be good enough for a lot of the monied interests since they can profit in the status quo and make further inroads at the state level where their money buys more.

203 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:14:43am

We have a real live Juice-Hater on Twitter. My surprise, just imagine it.

204 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:15:43am

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

HE’S A CANADIAN!!!

And? They wanted to amend the Constitution to run Ahnold once upon a time, and they didn’t have anywhere near the man crush on him that they do on Teddy these days.

205 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:17:45am

re: #204 Targetpractice

And? They wanted to amend the Constitution to run Ahnold once upon a time, and they didn’t have anywhere near the man crush on him that they do on Teddy these days.

They want much more extra-special nutty crunchness. There is much man love for Ben Carson, but I predict that he will step a toe over the line and then he will be a BRINO just like Condi Rice and Colin Powell.

206 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:18:52am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

HA HA HA HA.

I think I have been asked most, if not all of those lame stereotypes.

I might get to meet the woman who wrote that at a thing at the Y. She kinda reminded me, in her writing, of you in her pugnacious attitude.

207 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:19:22am

Besides, AFAIK, the natural-born business only applies to the top job. Imagine for a sec a Paul/Cruz ticket in ‘16.

Hey, stop laughing, this is serious!//

208 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:22:20am

re: #206 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I might get to meet the woman who wrote that at a thing at the Y. She kinda reminded me, in her writing, of you in her pugnacious attitude.

I think she emailed me once, based on my Twitter profile, she wanted to do a blog post about religious Jews in the auto industry. She never got back to me, though.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:22:56am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Besides, AFAIK, the natural-born business only applies to the top job. Imagine for a sec a Paul/Cruz ticket in ‘16.

Hey, stop laughing, this is serious!//

Pau-uz-zoo ‘16 - Party like it’s 1859!

210 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:25:33am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Besides, AFAIK, the natural-born business only applies to the top job. Imagine for a sec a Paul/Cruz ticket in ‘16.

Hey, stop laughing, this is serious!//

Some Wingnuts want a PAUL/CARSON ticket

JUST 2 PRUV 2 TEH LIBTARDS TAHT WE IZ NOT TEH RACIST

but I don’t think they will get far with that. I am pretty sure that Carson will do something to take himself off their BLAX WE HEART list.

211 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:26:48am

I don’t know who Larry Grooms is, but he got the endorsement of a white supremacist.

212 efuseakay  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:29:01am

So much for the “Everyone thought Saddam had WMD meme of the right

213 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:29:22am

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

South Carolina State Senator (R). He’s agin gay marriage.

214 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:29:46am

But speaking of Cruz, he decided to not only continuing being a dick of such proportions as to rival Rick Santorum, he decided to then hide behind the skirt of one of his own staff:

Cruz opposes multiple sclerosis resolution

But last week, Cruz objected to including the MS Awareness resolution. He was unhappy with a clause in the resolution describing the purpose of the Multiple Sclerosis Coalition, according to a Democratic staffer.

Cruz’s staff said the problem was timing.

“The Senator, like many of his colleagues, will not grant consent to call up and pass a resolution or bill at the last minute without time for review,” spokesman Sean Rushton said in a statement. “The Texans who sent him to Washington expect nothing less.”

After the story was posted about Cruz’s opposition to the resolution, his office pushed back harder.

“Senator Cruz does not oppose the substance of the MS resolution, and he never did,” his spokesman said. “Unfortunately, the sponsors of this resolution circulated their request for unanimous consent less than 48 hours before they wanted it passed. A member of Sen. Cruz’s staff—who herself suffers from MS—asked for time to review the language, and to perhaps suggest revisions to the language, as is typical. It appears that Senate Democratic staff, instead of working to ensure unanimous consent, instead decided to leak this story to try to malign Senator Cruz.”

215 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:37:41am

re: #214 Targetpractice

Does Politico offer details about what clause Cruz objects to?

216 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:39:19am

re: #215 wheat-dogghazi

Does Politico offer details about what clause Cruz objects to?

None. But this is supposedly the section that Cruz needs 48 hours to review and potentially offer revisions:

“Whereas the Multiple Sclerosis Coalition, an affiliation of multiple sclerosis organizations dedicated to the enhancement of the quality of life for all those affected by multiple sclerosis, recognizes and supports.
Multiple Sclerosis Awareness Week during March of every calendar year;.
Whereas the Multiple Sclerosis Coalition’s mission is to increase opportunities for cooperation and provide greater opportunity to leverage the effective use of resources for the benefit of the multiple sclerosis community.”

217 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:40:38am

re: #216 Targetpractice

None. But this is supposedly the section that Cruz needs 48 hours to review and potentially offer revisions:

How wonderfully harmless.
Cruz is such a dick.

218 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:41:26am

re: #216 Targetpractice

Seems harmless, typical boilerplate for such resolutions. What’s his beef? Surely, he can read and understand it, being an Ivy-league trained lawyer.

219 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:42:12am

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

I think she emailed me once, based on my Twitter profile, she wanted to do a blog post about religious Jews in the auto industry. She never got back to me, though.

If I run into her, I’ll mention it. Small world.

220 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:42:47am

re: #219 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

If I run into her, I’ll mention it. Small world.

Are you talking about @JewInTheCity?

221 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:43:23am

re: #218 wheat-dogghazi

Seems harmless, typical boilerplate for such resolutions. What’s his beef? Surely, he can read and understand it, being an Ivy-league trained lawyer.

No clue. I get the feeling he’s doing shit like this just to see how far he can push being an utter dick before he gets pushback. So far, the party leadership is muttering about how much of a dick he is, but aren’t taking any active steps to do anything about it.

222 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:43:46am

DERP DERP HURR HURR

223 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:45:14am

DERP DERP HURR HURR

They should pick our crops for subminimum wage and STARVE!


224 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:46:15am

re: #221 Targetpractice

I think Cruz, Paul and few other freshmen are trying really hard to stand out from the crowd by defending some half-baked “principles.” I don’t know Cruz all that well, but he seems like he’s got a big chip on his shoulder. Paul (from the state where I currently vote absentee as an expat) is a flake. Loose cannon on deck, like his pa.

225 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:47:10am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Are you talking about @JewInTheCity?

Yes, I might be going to a thing at the 92nd Street Y where she’ll be.

226 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:48:39am

re: #223 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR

God, the idea of taking in poor, tired people and feeding them. How awful! That sounds like something some itinerant preacher in the Middle East circa 0 AD would have done!

What about that biblical principle, assholes? That of feeding the hungry, of cutting the cloak on your back in half to give to a beggar?

227 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:49:39am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

Is it too much to ask that a potential candidate for prez have served in some political capacity at some time, somewhere?

228 Mattand  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:50:26am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

(spit) Pretty much an actual letter to the editor in a local Philadelphia paper.

Yeah, if anyone tells you racism is dead, point them to the comments section at Philly.com.

229 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:50:29am

re: #226 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

God, the idea of taking in poor, tired people and feeding them. How awful! That sounds like something some itinerant preacher in the Middle East circa 0 AD would have done!

What about that biblical principle, assholes? That of feeding the hungry, of cutting the cloak on your back in half to give to a beggar?

JESUS NEVER WANTED THE GOVERNMENT TO GET INVOLVED!11!!!! ONLY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SHUD GIVE CHARITY TO TEH DESERVING POORS (BUT NOT SLUTZ OR HOMOS OR BROWN PEOPLE)


No really, this is their excuse.

230 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:52:47am

re: #226 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Not just a Biblical principle. It’s an obligation among Middle Eastern people to welcome travelers, IIRC.

231 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:52:55am

Image: conservativejesus.jpg

232 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:56:18am

From Daily Kos:

The Rise of the Motivated Left-Wing Billionaire?

MA-Sen: Interesting—are we about to see a new generation of left-leaning billionaires rise up to counter the Sheldon Adelsons, David Kochs, and Foster Friesses of the world? Philanthropist Tom Steyer, who made his fortune in the private equity world, has issued an unusual challenge to Rep. Stephen Lynch, who supports the controversial Keystone XL pipeline. In a biting open letter, Steyer demands that Lynch “act like a real Democrat and oppose Keystone’s dirty energy” by “high noon on Friday” or else face “an aggressive public education campaign” ahead of his April 30th primary matchup against fellow Rep. Ed Markey. (Markey does not support the pipeline.)

Steyer’s threat seems real: According to the Washington Post, he’s spent almost $40 million on environmental advocacy in his home state of California over the last two election cycles. Along with Mike Bloomberg, who’s been spending big sums on guns, Steyer’s move could herald a new chapter in electoral politics. Lynch, though, is uncowed, with a spokesman saying, “It’s like something out of a James Bond film: a billionaire giving an ultimatum.” If Lynch fancies himself as 007, then he should be able to escape Goldfinger’s space laser without a problem, right?

I don’t know about you, but when I read “public education campaign,” I immediately think “ultimatum.”

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:56:29am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR

I see that there must be a “no WH tours for school kids” talking point distributed out since I’ve seen that complaint via 4-5 different RW-based forums now. Any data on what %-age of WH tours are for kids as compared to Congress-critter passed-out tickets?

234 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:56:57am

re: #230 wheat-dogghazi

Not just a Biblical principle. It’s an obligation among Middle Eastern people to welcome travelers, IIRC.

One of the principle teachings of Abraham was “raping wayfarers is bad mmkay” which was a thing back then as we learn from the Biblical story of Sodom which the wingnuts totally misinterpret.

235 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:03:30am

DERP

236 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:05:05am

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

One of the principle teachings of Abraham was “raping wayfarers is bad mmkay” which was a thing back then as we learn from the Biblical story of Sodom which the wingnuts totally misinterpret.

Well, they focus on the whole man-man sex thing, ignore the “No man-man stuff here, hey? You can haz my daughters” and completely skip over the reason why the visitors were so pissed in the first place.

237 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:05:19am

I was glancing over a New York Times article last week about Dick Cheney, “Serenity of a War Strategist.”

I was looking at the headline upside down, and I read it as “Senility of a War Strategist.”

238 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:05:43am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Prosecutor had no choice, the judge threw the whole thing out when he was shown the unedited video and saw that the prosecution had no case.

239 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:06:45am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Prosecutor had no choice, the judge threw the whole thing out when he was shown the unedited video and saw that the prosecution had no case.

Dana & the wingnuts still Derping over this obvious fraud setup.

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:06:54am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Prosecutor had no choice, the judge threw the whole thing out when he was shown the unedited video and saw that the prosecution had no case.

yes but UNION THUGZ!!11!!ty!1

241 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:11:57am

*drops to the floor laughing*

So the House “Republican Study Committee” has spoken and put forth their own budget proposal, separate from Ryan’s debacle. Only they think they can balance the budget in 4 years. How? They speed up the voucherization of Medicare by 5 years, put lower caps on non-discretionary (read: social safety net) spending atop the caps Ryan puts on discretionary spending, and raise the retirement age on both SS and Medicare.

If there’s any sign on sanity in this budget, it’s that they don’t use the budget cuts they’re making to give even more money away to the rich through tax cuts.

242 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:14:11am

Wait, what?
1. Didn’t that happen 11 years ago?
2. In Pakistan, which is not in the Middle East

243 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:14:52am

Looks like the live fire accident last night was a mortar round detonating inside the mortar tube:

At least seven Marines are dead and another seven are injured after an accident Monday night in Nevada in which a mortar round exploded inside an artillery tube, military officials tell NPR’s Tom Bowman.

The Marines were taking part in a live-fire exercise, those officials say. “Shell fragments, I’m told, killed almost three [Marines] immediately,” Tom says. The others died before they could be evacuated to a hospital.

npr.org

244 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:15:51am

re: #243 William Barnett-Lewis

Looks like the live fire accident last night was a mortar round detonating inside the mortar tube:

www.npr.org

Yegods. Hell of a way to go.

245 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:21:34am

re: #241 Targetpractice

More tax cuts come after the budget is balanced. After another deficit results from the tax cuts, the budget is balanced again through more cuts. Then after the budget is balanced again, more tax cuts. And so forth.

246 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:22:21am

OBAMA IS TEH DERP DERP DEVIL!!!1111!!


247 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:22:24am

re: #245 Bulworth

More tax cuts come after the budget is balanced. After another deficit results from the tax cuts, the budget is balanced again through more cuts. Then after the budget is balanced again, more tax cuts. And so forth.

until the federal government is small enough for Grover Norquist to drown in a bathtub.

248 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:25:21am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Prosecutor had no choice, the judge threw the whole thing out when he was shown the unedited video and saw that the prosecution had no case.

Obviously the judge is a union thug himself, supported by George Soros and the Chicago thug machine. //

249 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:25:38am

re: #244 Targetpractice

Yegods. Hell of a way to go.

I hope there’s enough of the fragments left to figure out exactly what went wrong. There shouldn’t have been enough set back for the fuse to go off normally at that point, so I tend to wonder if it was broken or had been mishandled at some point. Odds are that we, the public, won’t ever hear the details (unless it becomes a mess like the Iowa turret explosion they tried to hang on a sailor instead of too old powder) but hopefully they can figure out how to prevent a recurrence.

250 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:27:16am

re: #242 Vicious Babushka

So does Faux news think we should bomb the middle east some more, withdraw U.S. forces completely from the middle east, or what?

251 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:29:27am

Remember a couple weeks back, when the Daily Caller got revealed as a bunch of rumor-mongering dipshits, specifically about the Menendez “prostitution scandal”? How they first tried to brush it off by saying the wrong prostitute had been found recanting her story, but when challenged to prove so said they’d “investigate” it?

Well yesterday word came from the Dominican Republican that three women have now spoken with police there and claimed they were paid to make such allegations. And in true “searching for the real killers” fashion, the Daily Caller is still “investigating”:

Daily Caller Still Investigating Menendez Prostitution Story

TheDC has not independently verified the identities of the women involved in the Dominican National Police investigation, but will continue to investigate the case.

252 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:31:30am

re: #243 William Barnett-Lewis

Looks like the live fire accident last night was a mortar round detonating inside the mortar tube:

www.npr.org

Have the wingnuts found a way to blame the explosion on Obama yet?

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:32:03am

re: #248 Bulworth

Obviously the judge is a union thug himself, supported by George Soros and the Chicago thug machine. //

Is the Chicago Thug Machine a musical group like the Miami Sound Machine?
;)

254 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:32:25am

Think for a moment what would happen if the GOP was 1/10th as concerned about jobs as they are about repealing Obamacare.

255 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:32:48am

re: #253 Feline Fearless Leader

Is the Chicago Thug Machine a musical group like the Miami Sound Machine?
;)

Rage against the machine!

256 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:33:16am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

Think for a moment what would happen if the GOP was 1/10th as concerned about jobs as they are about repealing Obamacare.

That would require the GOP to admit that government spending creates jobs, which would pretty much blow their entire ideology out of the water.

257 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:33:33am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

Rage against the machine!

That’s Milwaukee Rage Machine I think — the third group.

258 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:35:29am

A white supremacist asks the question, “How should white supremacists respond to accusations of racism?” I can’t read the answer because it’s on a white supremacist site! My guess is:

TEH BLAX IS TEH RACISTS!! FARRAKHAN ALSHARPTON JESSEJACKSON DERPDERP HURRHURR!!!11111ty

259 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:36:33am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

I hope there’s enough of the fragments left to figure out exactly what went wrong. There shouldn’t have been enough set back for the fuse to go off normally at that point, so I tend to wonder if it was broken or had been mishandled at some point. Odds are that we, the public, won’t ever hear the details (unless it becomes a mess like the Iowa turret explosion they tried to hang on a sailor instead of too old powder) but hopefully they can figure out how to prevent a recurrence.

Lots of potential issues to look into. Issue with the tube, with the round, or possibly even with the fuse. Also unlikely, but a possibility that someone really messed up procedurally and dropped a second round into the tube on top of a round that failed to launch?

260 Bear  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:37:33am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

Wonder if the round went off in the tube or if it went off outside?

261 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:38:03am

*FACE PALM* DERPDERP

262 Slap  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:39:15am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

I hope there’s enough of the fragments left to figure out exactly what went wrong. There shouldn’t have been enough set back for the fuse to go off normally at that point, so I tend to wonder if it was broken or had been mishandled at some point. Odds are that we, the public, won’t ever hear the details (unless it becomes a mess like the Iowa turret explosion they tried to hang on a sailor instead of too old powder) but hopefully they can figure out how to prevent a recurrence.

I’m a big supporter of our armed forces - but IMO, that Iowa mess was perhaps the most detestable thing the Navy has done in my memory. There’s no reason any of us should have known that sailor’s name, but for the USN’s scapegoating and character assassination. Sadly, I believe that we now should remember Clayton Hartwig’s name as a caution against such dishonorable behavior in the future.

263 Bear  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:43:34am

re: #259 Feline Fearless Leader

That was my thought. The first round could have stuck above the firing pin and a new round was dropped on top causing the first to hit the pin and go off but only had enough power to push the second out and when the second fell to the ground it went off.

264 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:45:03am

en.wikipedia.org

265 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:57:59am

TURNSPEAK DERP

266 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:59:55am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

A white supremacist asks the question, “How should white supremacists respond to accusations of racism?”

Here’s the only legitimate answer: STOP BEING RACIST DOUCHEBAGS.

Being a racial supremacist of any kind is completely retarded. It’s you deciding that because someone else with the same skin color as you did something, that somehow, that’s your achievement too. WTF.

267 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:03:48am
268 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:06:57am

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

TURNSPEAK DERP

Pretty rich that she includes the NRA amongst the tag, since the NRA’s spent years fighting against laws that would take guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, arguing that the only court decision that should have that power is a felony conviction. And since the first felony will very likely be the domestic abuse victim’s murder…

269 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:07:41am

DERP DERP
Beer is from Europe & Canada
Guns are from Germany
Sex workers are from Ukraine

270 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:07:50am

Steubenville updates:

Two Teens Charged With Threatening Jane Doe Arraigned In Court Today

The teen girls who made the threats are facing a felony-three intimidation of a witness, a misdemeanor-one of aggravated menacing, and misdemeanor-one of telecommunication harassment.

DeWine Issues Warning RE: Threatening Jane Doe

“Let me be clear. Threatening a teenage rape victim will not be tolerated. If anyone makes a threat verbally or via the internet, we will take it seriously, we will find you, and we will arrest you.”

A lot of people in that town need to be taught hard lessons. Time to clean up that little rat’s nest.

271 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:08:44am

DERP DERP
Would u follow someone with this profile avatar?

272 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:14:07am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP
Would u follow someone with this profile avatar?

4:02 PM - 19 Mar 13 from El Paso, TX, United States

El Paso is 80% Hispanic. Not a happy place for a white bigot.

273 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:17:41am

Reading this conversation on Twitter. Just jaw-dropping.

274 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:19:06am

A customer dropped off a huge box about a half hour ago, with a bike in it for me to assemble. The aroma of patchouli is wafting out of it. I noticed it when walking by the box at first, now it’s spreading….

275 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:20:54am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

A white supremacist asks the question, “How should white supremacists respond to accusations of racism?” I can’t read the answer because it’s on a white supremacist site! My guess is:

Actually, he said that whites should “own it” and not be afraid of the word. (yeah, I went there)

276 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:22:21am

re: #275 Sionainn

Actually, he said that whites should “own it” and not be afraid of the word.

Thanks for going over to that sewer and reporting back. Did you remember to use the decontamination chamber?

277 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:22:44am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP
Beer is from Europe & Canada
Guns are from Germany
Sex workers are from Ukraine

There’s always meth.

278 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:22:57am

re: #273 Vicious Babushka

Reading this conversation on Twitter. Just jaw-dropping.

I’ll have to find it, but there was a report the other day that a quarter of Americans with 401Ks are dipping into them, even though it means incurring steep penalties, in order to cover things like mortgages and bills.

I’ve had more than one faux economist wingnut tell me that, if people could keep all the money “taken” from them to pay for SS and were able to “invest it wisely,” they could not only have plenty of money to retire on, but could leave what’s left to their descendents. Yet the payroll tax cut holiday’s end pretty much snuffed that out, because all we’re hearing now is lamenting about how people have less money to spend, not invest.

279 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:24:01am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

Thanks for going over to that sewer and reporting back. Did you remember to use the decontamination chamber?

It was a quick in and out. Just read the answer to that particular question which was helpfully at the top of the page.

280 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:24:57am

re: #278 Targetpractice

I’ll have to find it, but there was a report the other day that a quarter of Americans with 401Ks are dipping into them, even though it means incurring steep penalties, in order to cover things like mortgages and bills.

I’ve had more than one faux economist wingnut tell me that, if people could keep all the money “taken” from them to pay for SS and were able to “invest it wisely,” they could not only have plenty of money to retire on, but could leave what’s left to their descendents. Yet the payroll tax cut holiday’s end pretty much snuffed that out, because all we’re hearing now is lamenting about how people have less money to spend, not invest.

BUT MOAR TAX BREAKS FOR TEH JOB CREATURZ!111!!!!

281 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:25:53am

Especially hard work done for less than minimum wage.

282 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:27:16am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

Thanks for going over to that sewer and reporting back. Did you remember to use the decontamination chamber?

Decon can have its attractions.

283 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:27:53am

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

Especially hard work done for less than minimum wage.

If he’s such a “hard worker” how does he have time for a twitter pissing match?

284 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:29:35am
285 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:32:07am

re: #283 William Barnett-Lewis

If he’s such a “hard worker” how does he have time for a twitter pissing match?

That’s what I was just wondering. He’s working two jobs, but has time to waste on Twitter? That’s time he could be working! Does his boss know he’s wasting company time?!

286 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:32:47am

re: #285 Targetpractice

That’s what I was just wondering. He’s working two jobs, but has time to waste on Twitter? That’s time he could be working! Does his boss know he’s wasting company time?!

I think he said he’s retarded.

I mean retired.

287 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:33:47am

re: #286 Vicious Babushka

I think he said he’s retarded.

I mean retired.

Probably living a very sad, lonely life. I mean, working 80 hours a week leaves you little time for anything resembling a social life, let alone raising a family.

288 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:38:44am

re: #287 Targetpractice

Probably living a very sad, lonely life. I mean, working 80 hours a week leaves you little time for anything resembling a social life, let alone raising a family.

I’ll bet he is not working at all, just bragging about it on Teh Internetz.

289 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:39:26am

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

Especially hard work done for less than minimum wage.

I have no problem with hard work, so long as I am properly compensated for said work.

290 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:40:44am

I had to miss my grandson’s Bar Mitzvah in New York last week because WORK. Still it beats being unemployed.

291 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:41:40am

re: #286 Vicious Babushka

I think he said he’s retarded.

I mean retired.

Damn!
:)

292 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:43:11am
293 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:43:54am

re: #292 Lidane

See, this is why they lose.

294 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:45:15am

re: #292 Lidane

That has Norquist all over it.

295 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:46:04am

That he sees absolutely nothing wrong with being forced to work 2 jobs at 80 hours a week combined just to afford retirement is an excellent demonstration of just what the GOP expect us to accept as the new normal. Which is laughable when you consider that they also think that men should be the sole breadwinners in a family and bring home enough that they can raise the “traditional” family with enough money left over to invest in their retirement.

I can’t say as I remember Ward Cleaver being depicted as working two full-time jobs just to make ends meet in his household.

296 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:46:06am

DERP. FAIL. THE ELECTION IS OVER YOU DIPSHITS.

297 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:46:25am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

That has Norquist all over it.

It has infantile passive/aggressive all over it, like trying to argue with my ex…

298 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:46:51am

SHANNON THE ELECTION IS OVER, U KNOW THAT?

299 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:47:18am

Can’t respond to Shannon, she blocked me for correcting a Fake Quote.

300 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:48:06am

Yeah, that’s like why he totally lost the election. DERP.

301 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:48:20am

Americans “had enough” so much that they made him the first president since Reagan to get over 50% of the vote in both elections.

302 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:49:17am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, that’s like why he totally lost the election. DERP.

When you ask why they disapprove of his handling of the economy…Well, the Rs would be shocked.
;)

303 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:49:27am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Americans “had enough” so much that they made him the first president since Reagan to get over 50% of the vote in both elections.

I think those billboard are from before the election, that nobody bothered to take down, and dumb Shannon thinks they represent ALL AMURKINZ.

304 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:49:41am

Hey!

I just thought of a brilliant plan for the GOP to win the next election! Just pass legislation that gives every Republican TWO VOTES!

305 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:49:55am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Americans “had enough” so much that they made him the first president since Reagan to get over 50% of the vote in both elections.

And now you know why the Republicans want to make it harder for people to vote.

306 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:51:00am

re: #303 Vicious Babushka

I think those billboard are from before the election, that nobody bothered to take down, and dumb Shannon thinks they represent ALL AMURKINZ.

Yeah all that sign proves is a bunch of people with enough money got the sign constructed. Wow, I and some people could do the same thing with one praising Obama’s record. Simplistic morons.

307 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:51:08am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey!

I just thought of a brilliant plan for the GOP to win the next election! Just pass legislation that gives every Republican TWO VOTES!

WHITE MEN WHO WORK & OWN PROPERTY SHOULD GET MOAR VOTES, LIKE THE FOUNDING FATHERS INTENDED! TEH BLAX SHUD ONLY GET 3/5 OF A VOTE!111!!!

308 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:51:09am

OT, but finally got around to seeing Argo this weekend. Great film. I wasn’t alive in ‘79 so I’ve been researching the events around the so-called “Canadian Caper” and I must say I am so proud of my countrymen for the lengths they went to get those Americans to safety.

309 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:51:40am

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

Especially hard work done for less than minimum wage.

“We give them scrips for the company store while the executives make 7 figure salary. What do they have to complain about?”

310 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:51:48am

I watched “Premium Rush” last night. AWESOME MOVIE.

311 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:51:50am
312 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:52:01am

re: #292 Lidane

Why does that not surprise me? The GOP’s latest attempt to sell us on the Ryan Plan shit sandwich is avoid any specifics and instead convince folks that the best way forward is a “balanced budget.” What sort of balance? Well, they don’t wanna delve into specifics, just want to say their budget balances itself, the Dems doesn’t, and a balanced budget is the ideal…that all the economists are saying is total bullshit.

313 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:53:11am

re: #309 Kragar (Antichrist )

“We give them scrips for the company store while the executives make 7 figure salary. What do they have to complain about?”

WHY JRRB CREATERZ ONLY GETTIN 7 FIGUR SALARY? PAY LAZY BOTTOM-TIER WORKERS LESS & GIVE EXECS BONUS 4 THERE HARD WURK!11!!!

314 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:53:16am

re: #308 Eclectic Cyborg

OT, but finally got around to seeing Argo this weekend. Great film. I wasn’t alive in ‘79 so I’ve been researching the events around the so-called “Canadian Caper” and I must say I am so proud of my countrymen for the lengths they went to get those Americans to safety.

It’s a good reminder to people who want to portray you and your countrymen as weak and cowardly. Good film, I agree. I’m happy that Ben Affleck’s had a career renaissance.

315 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:53:30am

Beck: Start Hoarding Cash Now!

Glenn Beck turned his attention to the financial crisis in Cyprus and urged his audience to pull their money out of the stock market and out of the banks and start stockpiling it at home since what is happening if Cyprus “will happen here” because “it has happened before; it happened the last time the progressives tried a utopia.”

Beck went on to warn his audience not to tell anyone but their immediate family that they were hoarding money because “the last thing you want to be known as is someone with cash on hand when all of the banks are closed,” warning that they will “become more and more of a target” even from their “relatives who call you a joke now” because “drowning people pull others under the water”:

316 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:55:00am

re: #315 Kragar (Antichrist )

Beck: Start Hoarding Cash Now!

U know what happened to people who hoarded cash during the Depression? FDR CHANGED THE CURRENCY!!! BWAHAHAA!

317 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:55:25am

re: #315 Kragar (Antichrist )

Beck: Start Hoarding Cash Now!

Beck went on to warn his audience not to tell anyone but their immediate family that they were hoarding money because “the last thing you want to be known as is someone with cash on hand when all of the banks are closed,” warning that they will “become more and more of a target” even from their “relatives who call you a joke now” because “drowning people pull others under the water”:
Well Glenn when you’ve been saying it since the man got elected president, yeah you are crazy.

318 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:56:27am

Beck is what happened if Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh had a baby.

319 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:56:36am

Texas tea party leader promotes Fascist Party as ‘pro-Constitution, pro-America’

A tea party leader in Texas is defending his promotion of the American Fascist Party as something he thought was “pro-Constitution, pro-America.”

James Ives, who was listed as the president of the Greater Fort Bend County Tea Party in 2011, confirmed to The Texas Tribune on Monday that he had made a promotional video for the American Fascist Party and advocated tea party principles on a Fascist Party message board.

In the video, a man who looks like Ives sits in front of a Fascist Party logo wearing a uniform with yellow shoulder patches. Another photo shows a uniformed man sitting in front of a fascist cross. The blog that inspired Norwegian mass shooter Anders Behring Breivik describes fascist solar crosses as “symbolic representations buried deep in the regions of the brain where the primal responses to stimuli are rage, awe, and fear.”

320 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:57:48am

re: #319 Kragar (Antichrist )

Texas tea party leader promotes Fascist Party as ‘pro-Constitution, pro-America’

Obviously a liberal plant trying to make the Tea Party look bad because that’s what we lefties do!

321 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:57:50am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

It’s a good reminder to people who want to portray you and your countrymen as weak and cowardly. Good film, I agree. I’m happy that Ben Affleck’s had a career renaissance.

Honestly, I thought Affleck was one of the weakest parts of the movie. Cranston and Arkin overshadowed him big time. It’s not that I thought the character was bad, he just needed more development.

322 Gus  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:58:33am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Beck is what happened if Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh had a baby.

I heard there’s a video on what led to that.

//

323 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:59:03am

re: #315 Kragar (Antichrist )

Beck: Start Hoarding Cash Now!

Also known as the Mr. Krabs Economic Plan.

324 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:59:06am

re: #315 Kragar (Antichrist )

Beck: Start Hoarding Cash Now!

Wait wait wait.

I thought Beck’s deal was that eventually cash will be worthless so we should be hoarding gold and ammo?

Did he switch sponsors or something?

325 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:59:25am

re: #321 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly, I thought Affleck was one of the weakest parts of the movie. Cranston and Arkin overshadowed him big time. It’s not that I thought the character was bad, he just needed more development.

Yeah true but he’s come a long way from where he was. And yeah I enjoyed Cranston and Arkin’s characters. Always enjoy seeing John Goodman as well.

326 makeitstop  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:59:32am

re: #319 Kragar (Antichrist )

Texas tea party leader promotes Fascist Party as ‘pro-Constitution, pro-America’

“I never did anything… There really weren’t enough people involved to be a gathering, let alone a rally. It was basically a scattering of people across the continent just complaining.”

So his experience with the Fascist Party prepared him well for working with the Tea Party.

327 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:00:13am

re: #324 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait wait wait.

I thought Beck’s deal was that eventually cash will be worthless so we should be hoarding gold and ammo?

Did he switch sponsors or something?

I thought wingnuts were sure that cash was worthless because the Fed could just print more?

328 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:00:22am

A dried up, bitter old hag says what?

329 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:00:53am

re: #328 Lidane

A dried up, bitter old hag says what?

Phyllis Schlafly, proof that hate is one hell of a preservative.

330 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:01:16am

Henry Rollins: Steubenville rape case highlights the importance of women’s equality

What made these young people think that that what they did was ok? What was in their upbringing, the information and morals instilled in them that allowed them to do what they did, minute after minute, laughing, joking, documenting it and then calling it a night and going home? Out of all the people who were witness to what happened, why wasn’t there someone putting a stop to it?

What I am attempting to get at, and I apologize if I am not being clear enough is that this is a failure on many levels. Parents, teachers, coaches, peers all come into play here. I am not trying to diffuse blame or lessen the awfulness of what happened but I want to address the complexity of the cause in an effort to assess the effect so it can be prevented.

Some might say that the two going to the youth facility are as much victims as the young women who was assaulted. I do not agree. The two are offenders. What they did was obviously wrong. That being said, we cannot end the discussion at that point and expect things to change.

331 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:04:26am

Isn’t Phyillis Schalfry’s whole mantra that she hates everything modern whether it be feminism, GLBT equality, respect for people who aren’t conservative Christians, etc. Really her act is old and it was old in the 60’s when she first started. But yeah Republican party, please wonder some more why you struggle finding new voters when you get a response like that to Rob Portman realizing that his position was wrong.

332 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:04:32am

Rand Paul introduces “Life Begins at Conception” bill.

I thought he wanted smaller government? Yeah, small enough to fit inside a vagina.

333 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:05:22am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul introduces “Life Begins at Conception” bill.

I thought he wanted smaller government? Yeah, small enough to fit inside a vagina.

When you make government smaller, you can get more to go around.

334 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:05:42am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul introduces “Life Begins at Conception” bill.

I thought he wanted smaller government? Yeah, small enough to fit inside a vagina.

The whole thing’s precipitated on the idea that RvW’s majority opinion includes an out for the anti-choice crowd to exploit, that all they have to do is establish that life begins at conception and RvW is rendered null and void.

335 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:06:01am

re: #330 Kragar (Antichrist )

Henry Rollins: Steubenville rape case highlights the importance of women’s equality

Rollins is awesome. I’ve seen his spoken word shows, read his books and even bought spoken word CDs over the years. The guy is fantastic, and he’s spot on here.

Steubenville makes me want to break things. SO many people failed in addition to the rapists. The entire town should be razed to the ground and serve as an indictment of our slut-shaming, victim blaming society that prizes athletes over their rape victims.

336 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:08:31am

Speaking of Argo, here’s an article about how the Canadian Ambassador felt he was portrayed.

337 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:09:00am

No charges filed against man who punched Fox News contributor on video

… after watching both that video and a longer, unedited account of the incident as aired on Current TV, Dunnings said, “It’s pretty clear the person that they wanted to charge was acting in self-defense.” In the longer video, the man who punched Crowder was pushed by an unseen person before striking him, giving the encounter a different context.

“I’m not holding that against him, but why would they provide the edited video?” Dunnings said. “The longer video clearly shows the guy got pushed down and came up swinging.”

338 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:12:06am

re: #335 Lidane

Rollins is awesome. I’ve seen his spoken word shows, read his books and even bought spoken word CDs over the years. The guy is fantastic, and he’s spot on here.

Steubenville makes me want to break things. SO many people failed in addition to the rapists. The entire town should be razed to the ground and serve as an indictment of our slut-shaming, victim blaming society that prizes athletes over their rape victims.

Oh, I heard the final insult yesterday. I’d been under the impression that the sex offender registration had been ruled as mandatory by the judge, that they’d carry that black mark the rest of their lives. But no, it’s like the rest of their sentences, i.e. conditional on serving the 1-2 years in juvie without giving authorities the impression that they’ll re-offend. If they manage that, they get out at 18, their records sealed, and they go on their way.

Her life is ruined, theirs is inconvenienced by not being able to go to college on football scholarships.

339 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:12:32am
Really her (Schlafly’s) act is old and it was old in the 60’s when she first started.

This.

Who are the ad wizards who keep inviting her to their high profile conferences? But please, proceed, GOP.

340 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:13:35am

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

Especially hard work done for less than minimum wage.

His choice of Twitter names is a bit dodgy, given that Paul Newman (“Cool Hand Luke”) was a proud liberal.

341 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:14:37am

re: #339 Bulworth

This.

Who are the ad wizards who keep inviting her to their high profile conferences? But please, proceed, GOP.

Yeah, I’d love to know who the marketing geniuses the GOP and conservative organizations have working for them because you just aren’t going to get new people into your ideology by having bitter old relics like Phyillis Schalfry whose reputation is based on the fact that she was the face behind opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment. Something FWIW every post WWII Republican presidential candidate until Reagan supported.

342 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:15:04am

re: #340 BongCrodny

His choice of Twitter names is a bit dodgy, given that Paul Newman (“Cool Hand Luke”) was a proud liberal.

A Nixon’s Enemies list liberal I believe too. Good guy that Paul.

343 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:16:17am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul introduces “Life Begins at Conception” bill.

I thought he wanted smaller government? Yeah, small enough to fit inside a vagina.

The party of “Big Bedroom.”

344 Lidane  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:17:03am

My surprise, let me show you it:

Oh, I don’t know. Maybe they should have done their fucking jobs instead of just being a White House stenography pool?

345 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:27:21am

re: #264 Varek Raith

en.wikipedia.org

I’m reading that page right now. Basic coverup at higher levels indicating that the USN hasn’t learned from their earlier screwups going back through their history. Organization is not interested in learning the truth - they just want the incident to go away.

346 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:30:46am

re: #340 BongCrodny

His choice of Twitter names is a bit dodgy, given that Paul Newman (“Cool Hand Luke”) was a proud liberal.

Here is the rest of the wingnut meme: work until you drop AND NO GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE FOR YOU!

347 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:33:02am

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