Kansas Religious Fanatics Set to Enact Most Restrictive Anti-Abortion Law in US

The right is dragging women back into the Dark Ages one state at a time
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In what has to be the most direct, broad-ranging attack yet on women’s right to a safe, legal abortion, Kansas right wing lunatics have now passed a measure that would effectively criminalize all abortion, and requires doctors to lie to women about a nonexistent link between abortion and breast cancer. Bad craziness getting out of control: Kansas Set to Enact Law Saying Life Starts at Fertilization.

The religious right is slowly but surely dragging this country back into the Dark Ages, and making women into chattel. I don’t know why we’re overseas fighting the Taliban when we’ve got our own branch of these thuggish fanatics right here in the good ol’ USA.

Lawmakers in Kansas passed an extensive anti-abortion measure Friday night, which Gov. Sam Brownback is expected to sign into law. The bill declares that life begins “at fertilization,” prohibits abortions related to the baby’s sex and blocks tax breaks for health care providers that perform abortions.

The House passed the bill 90-30, hours after the Senate approved it 28-10.

The Associated Press quoted Republican Kansas Sen. Steve Fitzgerald, a supporter of the bill, as saying, “The human is a magnificent piece of work in all stages of development, wondrous in every regard, from the microscopic until full development.”

The bill, called The Women’s Right to Know Act, also requires doctors to provide controversial information to patients either seeking or inquiring about an abortion of a link between the procedure and breast cancer. The National Cancer Institute concluded in 2003 that abortion does not raise the risk for breast cancer, but physicians would have to address the issue as a “potential risk” for women seeking an abortion.

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1 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:38:46am

Brownback of course.

2 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:38:59am

Smaller government!

3 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:40:36am

If this bill really does say that life begins at fertilization, can a pregnant woman get benefits treating the embryo as a child? Are they going to begin to count miscarriages as deaths— and since we know a lot of miscarriages go undetected, they’ll have to add in an unknown but significant number of deaths, too.

Are they going to do any of these things that would signify they really believe life begins at conception, or are they just going to stick with the “We believe this in so far as it means that women should be forced to bear children, and not in any other way”?

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:40:37am

Roe v Wade is treading water…

5 Kragar  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:43:59am

If a woman drinks or smokes while pregnant, is she contributing to the delinquency of a minor? If a couple has sex while she is pregnant, is it pedophilia?
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6 Kragar  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:46:46am

re: #3 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

If this bill really does say that life begins at fertilization, can a pregnant woman get benefits treating the embryo as a child? Are they going to begin to count miscarriages as deaths— and since we know a lot of miscarriages go undetected, they’ll have to add in an unknown but significant number of deaths, too.

Are they going to do any of these things that would signify they really believe life begins at conception, or are they just going to stick with the “We believe this in so far as it means that women should be forced to bear children, and not in any other way”?

What benefits? Them welfare moms are bleeding us dry.
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7 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:46:57am

re: #5 Kragar

If a woman drinks or smokes while pregnant, is she contributing to the delinquency of a minor? If a couple has sex while she is pregnant, is it pedophilia?
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Do not expect any sort of logical consistency, this is just a way around Roe v. Wade, and in line with Obdi’s statement that “We believe this in so far as it means that women should be forced to bear children, and not in any other way”

8 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:47:06am

If I believed in Hell, I’d say there’s a special place there for libertarians who claim to be socially liberal or moderate while voting for these throwbacks because TAXES.

9 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:49:39am

Wow. I finish Bioshock Infinite and escape the religious zealotry of Columbia just to come back to this? :-/

10 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:50:12am

re: #8 BongCrodny

If I believed in Hell, I’d say there’s a special place there for libertarians who claim to be socially liberal or moderate while voting for these throwbacks because TAXES.

Yeah, I hear people say they’re socially moderate to liberal but vote Republican anyhow because of taxes. Agh.

11 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:51:20am

re: #9 Four More Tears

Okay, now I have to pick up that game when the cost comes down.

Columbia?!?! That is so blatant, it’s not even funny. That is the least veiled attack on the Republicans in video gaming…..ever.

12 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:54:26am

re: #11 ProBosniaLiberal

Okay, now I have to pick up that game when the cost comes down.

Columbia?!?! That is so blatant, it’s not even funny. That is the least veiled attack on the Republicans in video gaming…..ever.

Oh that’s nothing. Wait until you see the racism for the first time. And the second. And the third…

And then there’s the founding father worship. I expect far-right Conservatives to pick this up and wonder why the developers had them fighting on the wrong side.

13 Kid A  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:56:14am

Dear Kansas,

Fuck you.

Sincerely,

Me.

14 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:57:32am

re: #11 ProBosniaLiberal

Okay, now I have to pick up that game when the cost comes down.

Columbia?!?! That is so blatant, it’s not even funny. That is the least veiled attack on the Republicans in video gaming…..ever.

Check your DMs.

15 jaunte  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:58:29am

Kansas women should move to a place that treats them like adults.

16 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:59:47am

Kansas and North Dakota, in a race to see which one hates women more.

17 jamesfirecat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:59:53am

re: #11 ProBosniaLiberal

Okay, now I have to pick up that game when the cost comes down.

Columbia?!?! That is so blatant, it’s not even funny. That is the least veiled attack on the Republicans in video gaming…..ever.

It’s not an attack on republicans though, at least it was ot intended to be, it was an attack on Extreme nationalism with America as the country in question that the notationalists are attached to (at least that was what I read dear god no spoilers had to leave for holiday on the 23 of March so will come home with a copy of the game waiting for me) it is just that the Republican Party no longer seems to represent anything but blind nationalism.


(At least given that abortion and homophobia were not political issues at that point in time)


Granted did you notice how libertarians pitched a fit with the first Bioshock then Bioshock 2 comes around and there are crickets form the radical left who do not mind that they are now deconstructing the things that they believe in, it’s almost as if the far left does not have a way to magnify its opinions into the American Political discourse!

18 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:59:53am

re: #15 jaunte

Kansas women should move to a place that treats them like adults.

When Texas looks preferable, you really need to rethink your legislative agenda…

19 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:01:37am

My brother got that bioshock game for his birthday. Really likes it. I’d probably give it a try but I am too stubborn to learn the XBox controls. Been replaying GTA San Andreas lately. That’s still a great game. Hard to believe it’s almost a decade old.

20 jaunte  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:02:26am

“In addition to the provisions on sex-selection abortions and when life begins, the bill also would:

• Establish a statutory mandate that abortion doctors must provide controversial medical information to women who are seeking an abortion, specifically of a link between abortion and breast cancer.

• Ban women from deducting any abortion expenses from their state income taxes.

• Eliminate damage to a woman’s mental health as justification for allowing a mid- to late-term abortion.

• Prohibit paid agents or volunteers connected to abortion providers – including Planned Parenthood – from providing any information on human sexuality to students in public schools.

• Require clinics that perform abortions to provide women with detailed information on gestational development.

• Require abortion providers to provide patients with a directory of abortion-alternative programs.”
kansas.com

No information on sex, please, it interrupts our fantasies about gays and animals.

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:04:03am

This is just a blueprint of what the GOP would foist on all of America if we vote them in nationally.

22 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:04:21am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

This is just a blueprint of what the GOP would foist on all of America if we vote them in nationally.

Pretty much.

23 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:05:27am

Is this a stepping stone to banning oral contraceptives, plan B, and first trimester abortions?

24 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:06:17am

re: #20 jaunte

The cornpone Taliban.

25 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:07:57am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

The cornpone Taliban.

They have a better grasp of Orwellian Newspeak than the Taliban. “A Woman’s Right To Know Act”? Sheesh.

26 jaunte  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:11:34am

From cancer.gov

In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants reviewed existing population-based, clinical, and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer. A summary of their findings can be found in the Summary Report: Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop.
cancer.gov

But what do scientists know; if the world is only 6,000 years old, there just hasn’t been enough time for study.

27 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:12:34am

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

They have a better grasp of Orwellian Newspeak than the Taliban. “A Woman’s Right To Know Act”? Sheesh.

Yeah. She has every right to know stuff that isn’t true.

28 jaunte  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:18:43am
Epidemiologic Findings
…snip…
Induced abortion is not associated with an increase in breast cancer risk. (1)

*Strength of Evidence Ratings Key

Strength of Evidence Ratings: Epidemiology
1 = Well established
2 = Weight of evidence favors
3 = Suggested from human population studies, but speculative
4 = Suggested from laboratory or theoretical considerations but essentially unevaluated in human populations

cancer.gov

29 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:19:37am

re: #28 jaunte

cancer.gov

They should study the link between abortion and Republican stupidity.

30 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:37:47am

Sorry OT

Obdi, you here? I’m reading about the new Civil War Photography exhibit at the Met. You must go. There’s also a huge collection of medical battlefield, so wife should accompany! Lawhawk, you too.

This write up is excellent.

newyorksocialdiary.com

You guys are so lucky to live where you do.

31 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:45:44am

Wired Space Photo of the Day

Saturn and Titan

32 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:49:38am

re: #30 Stanley Sea

Oh, nifty. There’s also a great one at the International Center for Photography.

icp.org

33 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:52:16am

re: #7 Sol Berdinowitz

Do not expect any sort of logical consistency, this is just a way around Roe v. Wade, and in line with Obdi’s statement that “We believe this in so far as it means that women should be forced to bear children, and not in any other way”

It won’t get around Roe, is the thing. The Supreme Court will boot this law if it ends up in front of them.

34 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:53:45am

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

It won’t get around Roe, is the thing. The Supreme Court will boot this law if it ends up in front of them.

If it can prevent any abortions along the way, they will see it as a moral victory and another soul saved for Jesus…

35 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:54:24am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

The cornpone Taliban.

Lead by General Jubilation T, making a special trip from Kentucky.

/Let’s see who gets the reference.

36 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:54:50am

re: #34 Sol Berdinowitz

If it can prevent any abortions along the way, they will see it as a moral victory and another soul saved for Jesus…

If they really wanted to reduce abortions they would promote sex education and provide birth control.

37 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:55:38am

re: #36 Iwouldprefernotto

If they really wanted to reduce abortions they would promote sex education and provide birth control.

They want to prevent sex.

38 Kragar  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:57:03am

re: #36 Iwouldprefernotto

If they really wanted to reduce abortions they would promote sex education and provide birth control.

They care about imposing their beliefs, not the end results.

39 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:57:16am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Sir, can you delete my post #230 on the last page? I over-reacted in regards to the Bengali Islamists.

40 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:58:17am
41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:58:19am

re: #39 ProBosniaLiberal

Sir, can you delete my post #230 on the last page? I over-reacted in regards to the Bengali Islamists.

Thank you for that.

And now I have to step away to attend to some condo board duties.

Back in 1.5 hours.

42 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:09:28pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that.

And now I have to step away to attend to some condo board duties.

Back in 1.5 hours.

Will you be discussing garage door colors? //

43 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:14:27pm

re: #42 Gus

Here is a question:

If English is not the native language of Americans, what do we speak?

44 Kragar  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:16:56pm

re: #43 ProBosniaLiberal

Here is a question:

If English is not the native language of Americans, what do we speak?

American, just like Jesus passed it to us in the Bible.

45 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:18:11pm

re: #43 ProBosniaLiberal

Here is a question:

If English is not the native language of Americans, what do we speak?

Pick one.

Native American Languages

46 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:18:18pm

re: #43 ProBosniaLiberal

Here is a question:

If English is not the native language of Americans, what do we speak?

Native works.

A first language (also native language, mother tongue, arterial language, or L1) is the language(s) a person has learned from birth[1] or within the critical period, or that a person speaks the best and so is often the basis for sociolinguistic identity. In some countries, the terms native language or mother tongue refer to the language of one’s ethnic group rather than one’s first language.[2] Sometimes, there can be more than one mother tongue, (for example, when the child’s parents speak different languages). Those children are usually called bilingual…

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:19:22pm

re: #43 ProBosniaLiberal

Here is a question:

If English is not the native language of Americans, what do we speak?

Last I heard it was the official language of the USofA and if’n you don’t wanna larn it proper, you better just stay home, hear?

48 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:19:37pm

re: #43 ProBosniaLiberal

Here is a question:

If English is not the native language of Americans, what do we speak?

First language might work better so as not to get accosted by the purity patrol.

49 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:23:00pm

This is what caused the fainting spells.

50 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:25:34pm

Use the wrong word with some people and suddenly you’re an imperialist, colonialist, orientalist, chauvinist pig!

51 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:26:22pm

Speaking of words… Misogynist!

52 Kragar  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:30:31pm

TechCrunch Founder Michael Arrington’s History Of Abuse Allegations Includes An Assault Investigation

When TechCrunch founder turned venture capitalist Mike Arrington was accused last week of rape and abuse by an ex-girlfriend, many in Silicon Valley were shocked, but not entirely surprised. This is because rumors that Arrington abused women have circulated almost from the time he started his career in the tech industry. Gawker has learned of two previous instances, a decade apart, in which Arrington was accused of violent, abusive behavior towards women. One—in which a coworker and ex-girlfriend accused him of assaulting her in a hotel room—resulted in an internal investigation by his then-employer. In the other incident, he allegedly threw a different girlfriend against a wall. Neither episode ended in any real fallout for Arrington.

Last week, entrepreneur Jenn Allen, who used to date Arrington, publicly accused him of physical abuse and rape in a Facebook post and in a comment on a subsequent Gawker story. The accusations have been much-discussed, at least in private, at least among the Silicon Valley elite, of which Arrington is a truculent but influential member. And it has opened the floodgates, as former friends and colleagues come forward with their own troubling stories about Arrington’s past.

53 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:31:05pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

Pick one.

Native American Languages

That raises an interesting point. Because people will say, “well, English is not the native language because, American Indians.” But as you note there is no single “American Indian language.” That would probably be closer to indigenous languages with emphasis on the plural.

54 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:34:44pm

re: #53 Gus

That raises an interesting point. Because people will say, “well, English is not the native language because, American Indians.” But as you note there is no single “American Indian language.” That would probably be closer to indigenous languages with emphasis on the plural.

That’s the same as the Chinese language where there are many dialects.

55 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:35:02pm

re: #49 Gus

I knew nothing of AlJazeera US, and don’t understand why it is necessary. AJ English covers world news in the native language of USA.

Do not understand the point of the tweet: news agencies want to tailor their programming to better appeal to target audience. Lots of non-American English speakers out there who have little or no interest in US events and vice-versa.

56 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:37:51pm

re: #55 Sol Berdinowitz

Do not understand the point of the tweet: news agencies want to tailor their programming to better appeal to target audience. Lots of non-American English speakers out there who have little or no interest in US events and vice-versa.

He was just shooting the breeze about how much he likes AJ English and didn’t understand (or see the point) as to why they’re going to have AJ America.

57 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:43:04pm

re: #55 Sol Berdinowitz

Do not understand the point of the tweet: news agencies want to tailor their programming to better appeal to target audience. Lots of non-American English speakers out there who have little or no interest in US events and vice-versa.

Someone should do an announcement about Fox News is going to start broadcasting in Arabic.

58 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:43:50pm
59 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:44:05pm

I just don’t have the patience today.

I’m going to get off-line and listen to a book about Bretten Woods. That should help me feel better.

doncha’ think?

have a good one all

60 ibob  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:46:30pm

I have always had great difficulty expressing myself in writing, and my husband usually has to write my letters and official correspondence. This can be very frustrating at times when I am unable to convey my feelings of great horror at these laws and the belief systems that lead to such laws.

These ideas deeply affect our society. It is vital for women to have control over reproduction. This is not just a vague concept. It affects people directly and is easiest to see when you are talking to teenager and her family about an unwanted pregnancy(especially if it comes from a sexual assault). I wish the people making these laws could just actually talk to women and their families in these situations. However, I don’t think really think it would help since they are incapable of empathy.

There is a PERSON/WOMAN involve in these decisions and no one so uninvolved in the situation should have any say in it.

I also wish to emphasize they have absolutely no scientific basis for their beliefs. Both the egg and sperm are already alive before fertilization. Life doesn’t just magically start at fertilization.

61 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:49:18pm

re: #53 Gus

That raises an interesting point. Because people will say, “well, English is not the native language because, American Indians.” But as you note there is no single “American Indian language.” That would probably be closer to indigenous languages with emphasis on the plural.

English is the native language of some Americans. For some Americans it is Spanish, Chinese, Laotian, Cree, ESL. For lucky ones, it’s multiple languages.

You’re not born knowing any language so ‘native language’ doesn’t actually make a ton of sense, but it kind of indicates what language your parents speak, since that will be your ‘primary’ language even if you’re fluent in English from going to school or Spanish from hanging out with your honcos.

62 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:52:25pm

re: #58 Gus

Chem trails!
//

63 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:54:19pm

re: #58 Gus

Reminds me of…

Image: cloud2.jpg

Cloud chamber.

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:54:41pm

re: #60 ibob

It has little to do with science or logic: they just want to ban abortions because they find them immoral and an abomination unto God. They feel the same about contraception, sexual education or about sex outside (hetersexual) marriage in general, and are also consistent in introducing or supporting legislation to those as well.

65 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:58:39pm

re: #63 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Reminds me of…

Image: cloud2.jpg

Cloud chamber.

Had to Google. So that’s done on a metal sheet? First thought it was scratched metal.

66 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 12:59:58pm

Uh oh.

67 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:00:03pm
68 sagehen  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:01:38pm

re: #30 Stanley Sea

Sorry OT

Obdi, you here? I’m reading about the new Civil War Photography exhibit at the Met. You must go. There’s also a huge collection of medical battlefield, so wife should accompany! Lawhawk, you too.

This write up is excellent.

newyorksocialdiary.com

You guys are so lucky to live where you do.

HEY!! I’m a New Yorker too, I like photography, I’m feeling overlooked.

69 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:12:28pm
70 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:15:51pm

re: #69 Gus

Despite what I feel for the Warrens, that has gotta be one of the saddest circumstances for a family. May he finally find peace.

71 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:21:25pm
72 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:21:43pm

re: #63 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Reminds me of…

Image: cloud2.jpg

Cloud chamber.

They used to have one of those operating full time at the Ontario Science Centre. It was so cool to watch.

Pity I couldn’t understand what the clouds and lines were telling me though.

73 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:23:32pm

re: #69 Gus

Crap. Having been there I know what it is like. I wish I could have helped.

74 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:23:36pm

re: #68 sagehen

HEY!! I’m a New Yorker too, I like photography, I’m feeling overlooked.

Go! Report back! It looks so interesting.

75 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:24:10pm

re: #49 Gus

This is what caused the fainting spells.

Huh? I think Dawkins is an ass but don’t find that offensive.

76 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:27:02pm

re: #69 Gus

Very sad.

77 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:17:15pm

The Best Of Roger Ebert’s tweets

78 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:18:37pm

re: #69 Gus

emotional pain is the most unbearable

i feel for them all

79 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:22:31pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

The Best Of Roger Ebert’s tweets

Click the link at the end, more….


716d Roger Ebert @ebertchicago

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in philosophy; the search for a moral justification for selfishness.”

80 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:28:10pm

re: #61 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

English is the native language of some Americans. For some Americans it is Spanish, Chinese, Laotian, Cree, ESL. For lucky ones, it’s multiple languages.

You’re not born knowing any language so ‘native language’ doesn’t actually make a ton of sense, but it kind of indicates what language your parents speak, since that will be your ‘primary’ language even if you’re fluent in English from going to school or Spanish from hanging out with your honcos.

if you study language history, the idea that there is a native language of a place or people becomes more difficult to hold

english has only been the native language of people living in england since sometime after 450 AD. before that, most people in britain seem to have been speaking celtic lanugages. however, celtic culture did not orginate in britain and ireland, but on the continent, it seems originally in the switzerland s.e. france western austria area sometime before 800 bc, and of course grew out of some previous cultures in the area

but people were clearly living in the british isles long before the celts got there, and dna studies seem to show that most brits come from ancient stock. the question of what languages were spoken in the british isles before the continental celts arrived is impossible to answer

however, irish folklore preserves stories of the arrival of the celts, and names cultures that arrived in ireland before then, namely the tuatha da danae and the firbolgs. i wish it were possible to know something about what languages these groups spoke…

81 sagehen  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:28:22pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

Click the link at the end, more….

716d Roger Ebert @ebertchicago

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in philosophy; the search for a moral justification for selfishness.”

Roger Ebert @ebertchicago
“Give a Republican a fish and he’ll think he learned how to fish. Teach him to fish and he’ll call you socialist.” — @lolgop

82 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:36:58pm

Petition.
Mr. President, Please do not cut Social Security!

83 Lidane  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:37:06pm

re: #13 Kid A

Dear Kansas,

Fuck you.

Sincerely,

Me.

My name is Lidane and I approve this message.

Fuck these fanatical troglodytes sideways.

84 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:38:09pm

Roger Ebert @ebertchicago

“If you go home with someone and they don’t have books, don’t f**k them.” — John Waters

85 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:50:11pm

Wha?

Schiliro, 38, allegedly turned the Marcus Hook Police Department into a private escort agency, ordering a cop on the late-night shift to bring a 20-year-old man to his house in a marked police vehicle.

He gave the man wine, then allegedly offered 20 to 30 times to perform oral sex on him, according to the report.

When the man repeatedly refused, Schiliro, who as mayor controls the police department, started to pull out handguns, informed the man that he was “going to be a hostage,” fired a 9 mm bullet into the wall and said that he’d ordered police to stay away from the house, the report states.

“The mayor, I believe, has indicated to the press that he has some issues,” said Delaware County District Attorney John Whelan.

The whole article is worth reading, and the picture of the guy is kind of priceless.

86 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:53:46pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Wha?

The whole article is worth reading, and the picture of the guy is kind of priceless.

Taking a squad car down the Appalachian Trail. He’ll at least win the primary.

87 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:54:07pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

88 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 2:56:40pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Wha?

The whole article is worth reading, and the picture of the guy is kind of priceless.

Kind of? LOL

89 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:02:22pm

Speaking of atavists, I notice that John Hawks, about whose massively open course on human evolution I linked a few days ago, mentions this as he designs the course:

Massive courses: massive opportunity or massive problem?

[…]

Ariely also discusses some of the negatives of a very large student sample: the greater likelihood of disgruntled students looking to draw attention in a public forum, for example.

This is a really concern for me as I prepare my course, “Human Evolution: Past and Future” (which I announced here earlier this week). A fraction of my students may have goals that include promoting creationist or fringe ideas, for example.

90 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:04:09pm

Hackers threaten to ‘wipe Israel off Internet map’ in massive cyber attack

Some 19,000 Israeli Facebook accounts have been reportedly attacked by hackers affiliated with Anonymous group; hackers threaten to wage ‘the largest Internet battle in the history of mankind.’

Back atcha…

Israeli cyber activists attack anti-Israel hackers

91 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:06:33pm

re: #84 engineer cat

One of my favorite Ebert blog posts was one in which he wrote about losing half of his face to cancer, something most of us can’t imagine having to deal with. There’s not the slightest hint of self-pity in it, nor is there fear or despair. There is acceptance (not to be confused with resignation). I find it inspiring.

I’ve written before about how I’ve come to terms with my appearance. The best thing that happened to me was a full-page photo in Esquire, showing exactly how I look today. No point in denying it. No way to hide it. Better for it to be out there. You don’t like it, that’s your problem. I’m happy I don’t look worse. I made a simple decision to just get on with life. I was a writer, so I was lucky. There was no question I would continue reviewing movies. And when I started writing this blog, it gave me even more focus, feedback, satisfaction. I plunged into it with sometimes desperate concentration. I wrote, therefore I lived. Another surgical attempt was proposed, but I said no. Enough is enough. I would look the way I looked, and express myself in print, and I would be content.

92 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:07:26pm

re: #3 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

They’re going to make a run at overturning Roe and PP of PA v. Casey. They’re gunning for a legal fight, even though restrictions of this kind on their face should be thrown out as unconstitutional restrictions under Casey’s analysis.

If this bill really does say that life begins at fertilization, can a pregnant woman get benefits treating the embryo as a child? Are they going to begin to count miscarriages as deaths— and since we know a lot of miscarriages go undetected, they’ll have to add in an unknown but significant number of deaths, too.

Are they going to do any of these things that would signify they really believe life begins at conception, or are they just going to stick with the “We believe this in so far as it means that women should be forced to bear children, and not in any other way”?

Full text of the Kansas HB 2253.

(2) “Unborn children” or “unborn child” shall include all unborn children or the offspring of human beings from the moment of fertilization until birth at every stage of biological development.

State defines abortion as:

(a) “Abortion” means the use or prescription of any instrument, medicine, drug or any other substance or device to terminate the pregnancy of a woman known to be pregnant with an intention other than to increase the probability of a live birth, to preserve the life or health of the child after live birth, or to remove a dead unborn child who died as the result of natural causes in utero, accidental trauma or a criminal assault on the pregnant woman or her unborn child, and which causes the premature termination of the pregnancy.

I have no idea how they’re going to treat unborn children for tax benefits at the state level, and federal language (which gives benefits like the EITC for children of the taxpayer) - and under common usage, would indicate a live baby, not a fetus in utero. But the KS law would seem to extend that right to a fetus upon fertilization, which then runs into a tax question when a pregnancy spans two tax years. Then there are things like welfare and other benefits for children at the state level. And what about a pregnancy that terminates naturally.

This whole thing is rotten to the core. And it undermine’s a woman’s civil rights, as the KS legislature supersedes a woman’s rights to those of an unborn fetus, embryo, and zygote. It’s absurd.

93 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:08:22pm

Some 19,000 Israeli Facebook accounts have been reportedly attacked

this is sure to result in significant productivity increases in the israeli economy

94 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:10:30pm

I no longer care what’s the matter with Kansas. Fuck Kansas, this is obviously what most Kansans want. Those that don’t should consider relocation. If Texas hasn’t gotten at least purple in 10 years, I am GTFO. I will have to move somewhere that isn’t completely run by wingnuts, bigots, fundamentalists, and ignorant hicks.

95 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:12:20pm

re: #92 lawhawk

They’re going to make a run at overturning Roe and PP of PA v. Casey. They’re gunning for a legal fight, even though restrictions of this kind on their face should be thrown out as unconstitutional restrictions under Casey’s analysis.

Full text of the Kansas HB 2253.

State defines abortion as:

I have no idea how they’re going to treat unborn children for tax benefits at the state level, and federal language (which gives benefits like the EITC for children of the taxpayer) - and under common usage, would indicate a live baby, not a fetus in utero. But the KS law would seem to extend that right to a fetus upon fertilization, which then runs into a tax question when a pregnancy spans two tax years. Then there are things like welfare and other benefits for children at the state level. And what about a pregnancy that terminates naturally.

This whole thing is rotten to the core. And it undermine’s a woman’s civil rights, as the KS legislature supersedes a woman’s rights to those of an unborn fetus, embryo, and zygote. It’s absurd.

Not a lawyer or doctor, but the last time I looked, the common IVF attempt would produce the death murder of a handful of small ‘persons’.

96 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:12:22pm

fuck kansas

i sense a t-shirt sales opportunity

97 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:12:46pm

re: #75 funky chicken

Huh? I think Dawkins is an ass but don’t find that offensive.

Concur. Dawkins didn’t say anything wrong.

98 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:15:31pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Not a lawyer or doctor, but the last time I looked, the common IVF attempt would produce the death murder of a handful of small ‘persons’.

Yes. They have defined unborn child from moment of fertilization of ovum with sperm. That means IVF facilities will be engaging in mass murder. And couples or individuals that want to have kids but need assistance of IVF to accomplish that will leave KS because IVF procedures usually implant several embryos to maximize chances of a successful implantation.

Another big blot on the KS law.

99 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:18:28pm

re: #94 moderatelyradicalliberal

I no longer care what’s the matter with Kansas. Fuck Kansas, this is obviously what most Kansans want. Those that don’t should consider relocation. If Texas hasn’t gotten at least purple in 10 years, I am GTFO. I will have to move somewhere that isn’t completely run by wingnuts, bigots, fundamentalists, and ignorant hicks.

This isn’t just about Kansas. GOPers and SoCons who seek the overturn of Roe, are looking for a jurisdiction that they can get the law passed and upheld through the federal appellate level so that they can get this reviewed by the Supreme Court. This is all about overturning Roe. Kansas is just the means to the end.

100 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:21:18pm

re: #99 lawhawk

This isn’t just about Kansas. GOPers and SoCons who seek the overturn of Roe, are looking for a jurisdiction that they can get the law passed and upheld through the federal appellate level so that they can get this reviewed by the Supreme Court. This is all about overturning Roe. Kansas is just the means to the end.

Probably easy enough to find ALEC boilerplate for the rest of us.

101 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:25:04pm

re: #99 lawhawk

This isn’t just about Kansas. GOPers and SoCons who seek the overturn of Roe, are looking for a jurisdiction that they can get the law passed and upheld through the federal appellate level so that they can get this reviewed by the Supreme Court. This is all about overturning Roe. Kansas is just the means to the end.

I know what it means. I just also have come to the conclusion that a majority of Kansans know what it means and its what they want to happen. People who support abortion rights fell asleep and allowed Roe vs Wade to give a false sense of security. We are behind and the curve and need to start giving some real thought to how we will fight these people at the state level if Roe ever is overturned. As of right now the anti choice forces are kicking our asses and have been for at least ten years. They have their ducks in a row, what about ours?

102 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:27:12pm

re: #101 moderatelyradicalliberal

I know what it means. I just also have come to the conclusion that a majority of Kansans know what it means and its what they want to happen. People who support abortion rights fell asleep and allowed Roe vs Wade to give a false sense of security. We are behind and the curve and need to start giving some real thought to how we will fight these people at the state level if Roe ever is overturned. As of right now the anti choice forces are kicking our asses and have been for at least ten years. They have their ducks in a row, what about ours?

That’s one reason why 2014 can’t be just another stay-at-home midterm election. (Getting irritated that every freakin’ election is “The Most Important of Our Time”.)

103 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:30:09pm

NatGeo blogger Virginia Hughes responds to someone with an axe to grind against “the Left”:

Why I Keep Harping on the Dynamic Genome

This week one of my readers, Lauren, suggested that epigenetics is a leftist plot:

The entire concept of epigenetics is being highjacked today for the Left’s eternal propaganda of neo-Lysenkoism — that “Nurture over Nature”, environment and not heredity, is what most significantly determines human qualities.

It’s essential to understand that the “methylome” is NOT — as the Left would like to give us the impression — an alternate kind of biological code created by the environment. It is not a competing genome that can overrule inherited DNA. It’s only a part of the chemical apparatus produced BY the DNA, to operate the cell.

I wouldn’t bother giving Lauren any attention except that the comment gets under my skin. I never said or implied that environmental influences determine human qualities, for one thing. But worse than that, implicit in her remark is the opposite claim, which is just as insidious and, unfortunately, much more commonly argued: that genes determine our fate, that the genome is fixed, that environments don’t matter.

I’ve ranted before about the perils of genetic determinism and how it has contributed to an overblown fear of all things genetic. Where does the idea come from? And why does it have such a stronghold on our culture? Should I blame social Darwinism? Nazis? Gattaca? Or maybe it starts in biology class.

[…]

Yes, a fear of all things genetic. I’ve copied here at times portions of fear-the-genetics stories, that get floated more frequently these days its seems.

Oh, that commenter “Lauren” had more to say on that previous Hughes blog entry:

[…] some Afghans have light eyes because they are partly descended from the original Indo-Iranian tribes from the north who had light eyes, and from Alexander the Great’s soldiers, some of whom had light eyes. Not because, as the Left tries to claim, or insinuate, or blur, or give the impression, race changes quickly in response to climate.

So much wrong in that little paragraph.

The latest flare up of atavism in Kansas is just one instance of a large pool of general throw-back, reaction-ism, against things modern.

104 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:31:49pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

That’s one reason why 2014 can’t be just another stay-at-home midterm election. (Getting irritated that every freakin’ election is “The Most Important of Our Time”.)

Right, the attitude should be that no election cycle is the end all be all. Its another battle in a never ending war. We need to win in 2014 and in 2016. Three ass kickings in a row won’t change the GOP, but it may get them out of the way so we can get some important and long overdue shit done. And maybe undo some bad shit, at the federal and state level.

105 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:34:14pm

re: #104 moderatelyradicalliberal

Right, the attitude should be that no election cycle is the end all be all. Its another battle in a never ending war. We need to win in 2014 and in 2016. Three ass kickings in a row won’t change the GOP, but it may get them out of the way so we can get some important and long overdue shit done. And maybe undo some bad shit, at the federal and state level.

Our border-state group is looking for a vulnerable FL or GA housemember to carpetbag. Developed a taste for it last Fall.

106 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:35:14pm

re: #94 moderatelyradicalliberal

I no longer care what’s the matter with Kansas. Fuck Kansas, this is obviously what most Kansans want. Those that don’t should consider relocation. If Texas hasn’t gotten at least purple in 10 years, I am GTFO. I will have to move somewhere that isn’t completely run by wingnuts, bigots, fundamentalists, and ignorant hicks.

I’ve noticed that pretty much everywhere I could reasonably afford to live is run by wingnuts, bigots, fundamentalists, and ignorant hicks. I have acquaintances whose life’s dream is to move to a small town out in the middle of nowhere. I grew up (to the extent that I’ve actually ‘grown up’) in small towns in the middle of nowhere, and take it from me: they suck.

107 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:37:16pm

Lost keyboard control on the “Grab an Asteroid” page. Anyone else?

108 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:38:45pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Lost keyboard control on the “Grab an Asteroid” …

Not what NASA would want to hear over the radio…

109 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:40:25pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Lost keyboard control on the “Grab an Asteroid” page. Anyone else?

re: #108 freetoken

Not what NASA would want to hear over the radio…

Never mind, brainlock.

(Put in eight hours today on our Habitat house.)

110 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:42:13pm

Kansas wingnut legislators want to make zygote a “person” because to them everything is all magick.

Fear of all things genetic, indeed.

111 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:45:54pm

re: #110 freetoken

Kansas wingnut legislators want to make zygote a “person” because to them everything is all magick.

Fear of all things genetic, indeed.

Well, it is the Gateway to Oz.

(The new Oz movie is surprisingly decent, though 3 seats and goodies cost about $40.)

112 SpaceJesus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:47:11pm

what is wrong with rural white men

113 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:48:14pm

re: #112 SpaceJesus

what is wrong with rural white men

BBQ overload, deli deficiency.

114 SpaceJesus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:49:33pm

we need to send a team of the world’s foremost scientists to the american midwest to study these people and find out what is wrong with their brains

115 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:50:25pm

re: #108 freetoken

Not what NASA would want to hear over the radio…

A burst of static, then loss of radio contact. In the ensuing hours of communications blackout, there would be frenzied activity in Mission Control as engineers, comms specialists, psychologists, and proctologists struggled to make sense of “~beep~ lost keyboard control{static}grab{static}ass{static}{silence}roid{static}”

116 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:51:25pm

re: #106 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’ve noticed that pretty much everywhere I could reasonably afford to live is run by wingnuts, bigots, fundamentalists, and ignorant hicks. I have acquaintances whose life’s dream is to move to a small town out in the middle of nowhere. I grew up (to the extent that I’ve actually ‘grown up’) in small towns in the middle of nowhere, and take it from me: they suck.

I’m a city girl form Dallas, Texas and I have lived in other cities in the South before moving back home for grad school and take it from me, the blue island in a sea of red thing is getting so fucking old.

Saying we aren’t crazy in Dallas, Austin, Atlanta, Raleigh-Durham, Northern Virginia, etc. is a tired line at this point. Texas is crazy. Georgia is crazy. North Carolina is fucking crazy. Red states are run by crazies. It’s that simple and if it doesn’t change in the next decade. I am going to have to GTFO. I am not proud to live in a forced vaginal probe state.

117 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:52:50pm

re: #116 moderatelyradicalliberal

Ah. You’ve seen the new state flag!!

118 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:53:37pm

re: #114 SpaceJesus

we need to send a team of the world’s foremost scientists to the american midwest to study these people and find out what is wrong with their brains

If Rod Serling were still alive, there would already have been a Twilight Zone episode exploring this scenario. The scientists would be marooned on a distant planet which they soon learn is inhabited by crazy cannibalistic aliens, and at the end of the episode we would learn that the scientists were actually extraterrestrials and the crazy cannibalistic aliens were actually us.

119 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:55:08pm

re: #116 moderatelyradicalliberal

More stories whining about “food stamps” on self-declared conservative websites - yet as VB has pointed out the wingnuttiest parts of the country have among the very highest rates of food stamp recipients.

There’s a lot of self-hatred going on in the collapsing worldview of the atavists (not just on food stamps, but everything from gay rights to gun violence.)

The self-realization that the wingnuts are fighting to stave off is something to behold. A lesson to all of us (all of whom who have the same capability to lie to ourselves.)

120 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:55:12pm

re: #116 moderatelyradicalliberal

I know what you’re talking about. I’m in FTW as we speak. If I somehow Kardashianed my way into enough money that I’d never have to worry about finding a job ever again, my first crisis would be my inability to decide between London, Berlin, or Prague as my new home.

121 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:58:59pm

re: #106 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’ve noticed that pretty much everywhere I could reasonably afford to live is run by wingnuts, bigots, fundamentalists, and ignorant hicks. I have acquaintances whose life’s dream is to move to a small town out in the middle of nowhere. I grew up (to the extent that I’ve actually ‘grown up’) in small towns in the middle of nowhere, and take it from me: they suck.

Yeah, CA is relatively cool, but the cost of living? I see it in my future to move to colder in winter climes. Ugh.

122 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 3:59:18pm

re: #120 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I know what you’re talking about. I’m in FTW as we speak. If I somehow Kardashianed my way into enough money that I’d never have to worry about finding a job ever again, my first crisis would be my inability to decide between London, Berlin, or Prague as my new home.

London for me. Michael Fassbender lives there and I here black girls are his thing. ;)

123 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:00:29pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Yeah, CA is relatively cool, but the cost of living? I see it in my future to move to colder in winter climes. Ugh.

Cheer up. We’re burning carbon as fast as we can.

124 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:00:38pm

re: #120 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

What’s wrong with San Francisco?

125 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:01:24pm

It’s good to see a bunch of intelligent, well informed science geeks gathered together in one virtual room.

126 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:02:32pm

OT, I received my second “Pensive Obama” postcard from the DNC today. I’m keeping them on my fridge, wonder if ill have 5 by the end of summer?

And my mailman hates me, my box was stuffed to the hilt with nothing.

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:03:34pm

re: #120 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I know what you’re talking about. I’m in FTW as we speak. If I somehow Kardashianed my way into enough money that I’d never have to worry about finding a job ever again, my first crisis would be my inability to decide between London, Berlin, or Prague as my new home.

Summer in Munich & winter in Barcelona. Side trips everywhere a Eurail 1st Class pass can go.

128 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:03:36pm

re: #124 funky chicken

What’s wrong with San Francisco?

$an Franci$co. Spellcheck is your friend.

129 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:03:50pm

re: #114 SpaceJesus

we need to send a team of the world’s foremost scientists to the american midwest to study these people and find out what is wrong with their brains

They live in a 1950s plastic bubble.

130 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:05:49pm

re: #127 William Barnett-Lewis

Summer in Munich & winter in Barcelona. Side trips everywhere a Eurail 1st Class pass can go.

There is a village where the Dolomite Alps meet the Po Valley named “Field of Lillies”.

131 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:06:48pm

One hand washes the other (A.K.A Dirty deeds done dirt cheap)
A Secret Deal on Drones, Sealed in Blood

Mr. Muhammad and his followers had been killed by the C.I.A., the first time it had deployed a Predator drone in Pakistan to carry out a “targeted killing.” The target was not a top operative of Al Qaeda, but a Pakistani ally of the Taliban who led a tribal rebellion and was marked by Pakistan as an enemy of the state. In a secret deal, the C.I.A. had agreed to kill him in exchange for access to airspace it had long sought so it could use drones to hunt down its own enemies.

That back-room bargain, described in detail for the first time in interviews with more than a dozen officials in Pakistan and the United States, is critical to understanding the origins of a covert drone war that began under the Bush administration, was embraced and expanded by President Obama, and is now the subject of fierce debate. The deal, a month after a blistering internal report about abuses in the C.I.A.’s network of secret prisons, paved the way for the C.I.A. to change its focus from capturing terrorists to killing them, and helped transform an agency that began as a cold war espionage service into a paramilitary organization.

132 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:07:25pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Yeah, CA is relatively cool, but the cost of living? I see it in my future to move to colder in winter climes. Ugh.

We snuggle more up here.

133 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:08:47pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

London for me. Michael Fassbender lives there and I here black girls are his thing. ;)

Aren’t they every man’s thing?

134 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:14:42pm

re: #119 freetoken

the wingnuttiest parts of the country have among the very highest rates of food stamp recipients

when their white friends need food stamps they don’t consider it bad like for other people that they don’t know personally, because of the rule of “well that’s different”

iokiyar

135 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:14:45pm

Sitting here in the grocery store watching a bus go up and down. I wonder if it’s humping a man hole.

136 Bubblehead II  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:20:00pm

Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

137 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:22:23pm

re: #120 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I know what you’re talking about. I’m in FTW as we speak. If I somehow Kardashianed my way into enough money that I’d never have to worry about finding a job ever again, my first crisis would be my inability to decide between London, Berlin, or Prague as my new home.

Prague is great, and there’s a lot of areas outside of Prague. Karlový Vary, for instance.

Berlin is cool. I enjoyed living there, and if given the chance, I’d go back.

I’m seriously thinking of Istanbul as the next stop in my extended vacation from American shore. 12 years so far.

138 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:27:49pm

re: #120 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

FTW? I’m slow.

139 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:28:01pm

Hey, here’s an interesting question.

What happened to Zahi Hawass? Also, I just noticed that the website for the Theban Mapping Project hasn’t been updated in 8 months.

Good Job Muslim Brotherhood! Laser-like focus on the economy, much?

Actually, again I do need to point out that, at this point, the Republican Party and the Muslim Brotherhood are nearly the same, with the only difference being one of the faith.

140 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:31:19pm

re: #137 Dr Lizardo

Prague is great, and there’s a lot of areas outside of Prague. Karlový Vary, for instance.

Berlin is cool. I enjoyed living there, and if given the chance, I’d go back.

I’m seriously thinking of Istanbul as the next stop in my extended vacation from American shore. 12 years so far.

I got no kick against the west coast
Warner brothers are such good hosts.
I raise my whiskey glass and give them a toast,
I’m sure they know it’s true.
I got no rap against the southern states.
Every time I’ve been there it’s been great.
But now I’m leaving and i can’t be late
And to myself be true.
I think I’m going to Katmandu,
That’s really, really where I’m going to.
If i ever get out of here,
That’s what I’m gonna do.
K-k-k-k-k-Katmandu,

141 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:33:30pm

re: #139 ProBosniaLiberal

In fact, I will go a step farther.

Egypt is what the United States would be looking like right now if the Republicans held the Senate and Presidency as well as the House and Supreme Court.

142 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:41:15pm

Hoops, has the Final Four started? I’m not really into it, was gonna follow on the twitter but nothing I can see. Thought 1st game @ 3??

143 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:48:45pm

re: #141 ProBosniaLiberal

In fact, I will go a step farther.

Egypt is what the United States would be looking like right now if the Republicans held the Senate and Presidency as well as the House and Supreme Court.

Tell me you are joking…Is it possible to simplify Geo-Political science to any more of a base inaccurate Statement than that? Good Lord PBL..

144 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:49:39pm

re: #142 Stanley Sea

Hoops, has the Final Four started? I’m not really into it, was gonna follow on the twitter but nothing I can see. Thought 1st game @ 3??

Big upset going on right now.. Louisville is in trouble

145 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:49:54pm

If I click “here”, I can see my arrest record now.

146 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:50:41pm

For the thread, not my fellows. Just to be clear :)

147 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:51:20pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

Tell me you are joking…Is it possible to simplify Geo-Political science to any more of a base inaccurate Statement than that? Good Lord PBL..

I don’t think so.

148 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:51:48pm

re: #144 HoosierHoops

Big upset going on right now.. Louisville is in trouble

Wichita? Once the gators lost I am meh. Not a real fan obviously

149 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:52:37pm

Ok, just turned it on. Forgive me o sport god.

150 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:53:17pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

If I click “here”, I can see my arrest record now.

if you’ve never been arrested yet, it will allow you to see into the future

151 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:53:39pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

One hand washes the other (A.K.A Dirty deeds done dirt cheap)
A Secret Deal on Drones, Sealed in Blood

Alternate Name for the 2007-2012 period of the Terror War: How the CIA got its mojo back.

152 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:53:42pm

Is this thing on?
‘poke’
‘poke’

153 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:54:08pm

re: #148 Stanley Sea

Wichita? Once the gators lost I am meh. Not a real fan obviously

Yup..I heard people saying Wichita State is this years Butler. They are playing great

154 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:56:31pm

re: #150 engineer cat

if you’ve never been arrested yet, it will allow you to see into the future

I’ve traveled in circles where it was embarrassing not to have an arrest record—but it helped with the security recertifications.

155 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:57:10pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

The Republican Party is urging the United States to “Find Faith,” and is showing next to no tolerance of those who believe differently.

In addition, they are both going way the hell out of their way to intimidate women, in Egypt with the virginity test, here in the United States we have the Republicans promoting the Vaginal Wand issue.

Also, they both tend to be hardcore free market, cutting subsidies and safety nets to the bone. They both use have a bogeyman they use to keep others riled up. The Muslim Brotherhood uses Jewish people, and the Republicans use Muslims.

156 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 4:57:13pm

re: #120 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I know what you’re talking about. I’m in FTW as we speak. If I somehow Kardashianed my way into enough money that I’d never have to worry about finding a job ever again, my first crisis would be my inability to decide between London, Berlin, or Prague as my new home.

ignatz cat tells me he wants to settle permanently in lapland

157 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:01:15pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

I’ve traveled in circles where it was embarrassing not to have an arrest record

huh

i must say you have travelled more widely than me in this regard

158 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:05:53pm

re: #157 engineer cat

huh

i must say you have travelled more widely than me in this regard

Was going to say “It was the 60s, you had to be there”, then I realized old guys in our current Alabama Dem group got their heads busted for good reasons.

159 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:06:57pm

re: #155 ProBosniaLiberal

Shield wall…

Kosovo Riot Police in full gear use an age old defensive formation during a protest. Made famous by the Romans and Spartans, that particular formation in the picture is called a “Testudo (Tortoise) Shield Wall”, albeit the stationary/immobile variation.

Image: tumblr_mkmcofVsrp1r9khx4o2_1280.jpg

Fascinating how modern technology made a drill created by the Roman legions relevant again.

160 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:07:33pm

Fascinating pics are just that. Don’t assume the real deal. This one obviously. BUT CUTE

161 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:08:32pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

Yes it is cute. :)

162 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:08:38pm

re: #155 ProBosniaLiberal

The Republican Party is urging the United States to “Find Faith,” and is showing next to no tolerance of those who believe differently.

In addition, they are both going way the hell out of their way to intimidate women, in Egypt with the virginity test, here in the United States we have the Republicans promoting the Vaginal Wand issue.

Also, they both tend to be hardcore free market, cutting subsidies and safety nets to the bone. They both use have a bogeyman they use to keep others riled up. The Muslim Brotherhood uses Jewish people, and the Republicans use Muslims.

Well, I don’t agree with your assessment trying to conflate the two political viewpoints. BTW. They tore down the poly-Sci Building and are building a new one and this weekend is the fair over at the park.
Do you miss being here?

163 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:11:40pm

Also from the Balkans:

Ottoman “Knee Pistol” . Beautiful silver wire inlaid stock barrel is profusely inlaid with silver and is of superior quality work. The buttplate is inlaid en suite with the barrel. Stock is carved with stylized bird heads. The lock has an Ottoman Tughra (seal). Barrel length 11”, overall length 18 1/2”.

Image: tumblr_mkaz51p5p81qdrno0o1_500.jpg

It was called a “Knee Pistol” because a cavalryman carried it slung near his knee, where he could easily draw it and fire on the move.

164 calochortus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:14:22pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

If I click “here”, I can see my arrest record now.

Wouldn’t you know if you’d been arrested? Wouldn’t it make more sense if I could click here and see your arrest record. Or you could just share it with us…
/

165 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:14:33pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

re: #161 PhillyPretzel

(in a low voice) Hello, ladies.

These nutjobs in KS are going to get their way. It’s so ironic considering Kansas’s roots as a free state for progressives in the mid 1800’s.

166 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:15:00pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

For the thread, not my fellows. Just to be clear :)

Instead of “BRAINS,” they’re yelling “UTERI!”

167 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:15:18pm

re: #164 calochortus

Hello, are you the lizard with an asian grandbaby?

168 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:16:34pm

re: #164 calochortus

Wouldn’t you know if you’d been arrested? Wouldn’t it make more sense if I could click here and see your arrest record. Or you could just share it with us…
/

That’s a question for the Google Advert Targeting ‘Bot. I guess if it was a really freakish felony, people might not remember.

169 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:16:53pm

re: #165 prairiefire

re: #161 PhillyPretzel

(in a low voice) Hello, ladies.

These nutjobs in KS are going to get their way. It’s so ironic considering Kansas’s roots as a free state for progressives in the mid 1800’s.

Girlfriend!

170 calochortus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:16:58pm

re: #167 prairiefire

Not yet, but with any luck I will have a half Asian grandbaby within the next few years…

171 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:17:45pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Be careful of the rewriting of history.

The CIA was into far more than just intelligence gathering, from the beginning. It was authorized to conduct covert operations from the very start. Hillenkoetter did active operations in Italian politics. Counter-espionage operations would include killing operatives and their associates, if necessary.

“Intelligence” was never purely a passive activity.

172 calochortus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:18:15pm

re: #168 Decatur Deb

I suppose you’re supposed to want to find out what others could find out about you. I just figure I’m not that interesting, never having been arrested or anything myself.

173 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:18:43pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Shield wall…

Image: tumblr_mkmcofVsrp1r9khx4o2_1280.jpg

Fascinating how modern technology made a drill created by the Roman legions relevant again.

For some reason the forms behind the plexi shields remind me of Cylons…

Image: 891293-cent_005.jpg

174 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:19:14pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

Fascinating pics are just that. Don’t assume the real deal. This one obviously. BUT CUTE

flickr.com

175 Decatur Deb  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:19:29pm

re: #172 calochortus

I suppose you’re supposed to want to find out what others could find out about you. I just figure I’m not that interesting, never having been arrested or anything myself.

Nor I, though I’ve been very polite to a couple cops. I blame the nuns.

176 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:19:41pm

re: #166 BongCrodny

Instead of “BRAINS,” they’re yelling “UTERI!”

This is good for dealing with Zombies:

Image: biggun.jpg

But this one is the best for dealing with Zombies, because it has the rules stamped onto it:

Image: f1.jpg

177 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:20:31pm

re: #173 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

For some reason the forms behind the plexi shields remind me of Cylons…

Image: 891293-cent_005.jpg

I can see that.

178 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:22:25pm

Nancy Rose’s photostream

179 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:23:09pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

This is good for dealing with Zombies:

Image: biggun.jpg

But this one is the best for dealing with Zombies, because it has the rules stamped onto it:

Image: f1.jpg

I have to seriously question whether you’re going to escape from zombies if you keep winding up on your ass after you pull the trigger.

180 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:25:51pm

What is with this craze for giant 4X4 pickups among hinterland suburbanites who have no possible use for them? If not for the garish paint and chrome, a visiting alien might mistake a typical Lubbock parking lot for the assembly area of a mechanized infantry division. Never mind, I know the cause. President Obama should appoint a blue ribbon national healthcare commission to look into this epidemic decline in penis size.

181 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:25:54pm

re: #170 calochortus

Not yet, but with any luck I will have a half Asian grandbaby within the next few years…

Fingers crossed. Nature loves ethnic diversity. Cutest babies in the world! (bar none, except everyone else’s)

182 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:26:38pm

re: #179 BongCrodny

I have to seriously question whether you’re going to escape from zombies if you keep winding up on your ass after you pull the trigger.

It’s a “wall gun”, used to fire from a mount on the wall of your stronghold when a large group of zombies show up. A modern round chambered for that gun will destroy a zombie’s brain with one shot, and the round will keep going to knock down and damage the zombie right behind the destroyed one.

183 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:27:07pm

re: #174 Gus

flickr.com

So the photog built the scene? Cuuuuuute.

184 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:27:46pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

So the photog built the scene? Cuuuuuute.

Yep.

185 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:28:36pm

I find it comical, though in an ugly sort of way, that people are so concerned about drones today, as if the US (via the CIA or some other organization) hasn’t been actively meddling all around the world since WWII.

The point of using drones is so one doesn’t have to insert larger operational units (special forces) or full scaled war (Iraq I and II).

Nevertheless, the meddling remains.

The US uses force to change the world into what we want. (Though it backfires now and then.)

I’m reminded of Mitt Romney’s bald faced lying and denial in the “debates” when this issue was raised in a roundabout way. Romney denied the US ever involves itself in other countries’ affairs. It was a classic window into what it means to be “Mitt Romney”.

186 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:32:01pm

re: #43 ProBosniaLiberal

Here is a question:

If English is not the native language of Americans, what do we speak?

Sioux, Crow, Algonquin? Maybe one of those were the native language of North America. English came much later, with the invaders.

187 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:32:11pm

re: #184 Gus

Yep.

And that squirrel looks skinny compared to the ones I’ve seen. Hope the reward was there.

188 The Mountain That Blogs  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:33:13pm

re: #186 Eventual Carrion

Link

189 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:33:31pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

And that squirrel looks skinny compared to the ones I’ve seen. Hope the reward was there.

Looks like a small squirrel.

190 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:35:14pm

A newswire story overlooked by most, but it is one of my contenders for important-story-of-the-week-everyone-ignores award:

Alaska trims expectations for North Slope oil output

Oil production from Alaska’s North Slope has fallen faster than expected, even though the fiscal impact was offset by higher prices, according to a semiannual forecast released on Friday by the Alaska Department of Revenue.

[…]

North Slope production will continue its steady decline through the foreseeable future, dropping to 526,600 bpd in fiscal 2014, before sliding to 344,500 by fiscal 2022, according to the forecast. North Slope oil output is far below peak production of about 2.1 million bpd reached in 1988.

[…]

191 calochortus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:36:15pm

re: #190 freetoken

And that’s why they want to look around in ANWR.

192 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:36:22pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

And that squirrel looks skinny compared to the ones I’ve seen. Hope the reward was there.

Might be a Pine squirrel.

193 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:41:23pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

This is good for dealing with Zombies:

Image: biggun.jpg

But this one is the best for dealing with Zombies, because it has the rules stamped onto it:

Image: f1.jpg

I don’t think I’d want a rifle as my primary anti-zombie weapon. If it turned out that a .22 could reliably put down a walker, I might make an exception for the Marlin model 60. I had one of those as a wee lad, and it was amazingly accurate out to fairly long (for .22 LR) distances. Much more accurate than the Ruger 10/22. It’s relatively quiet, and you can carry hundreds of rounds with comparatively little weight. The 60’s cons for zombie defense are the really stupid tube magazine, and the extreme difficulty of field stripping it for cleaning.

I think the best way to go is to try to find defensible high ground, and establish barriers and booby traps for medium range / perimeter defense. Be careful to plan fall-back positions ahead of time, in case of a breech. Know your exits. Consider flame to be the only thing more dangerous than the zombies.

194 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:41:34pm

re: #191 calochortus

And that’s why they want to look around in ANWR.

The thing is, those estimated production values for the future includes new production from the much larger NPR. Those estimates also include production from Point Thompson, described by the Alaska DNR as “Alaska’s largest undeveloped oil and gas field.”

While ANWR gets all the attention, part of that is due to how it became a token for political football.

195 Gus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:41:44pm

Or an American red squirrel.

196 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:41:58pm

re: #171 freetoken

Be careful of the rewriting of history.

The CIA was into far more than just intelligence gathering, from the beginning. It was authorized to conduct covert operations from the very start. Hillenkoetter did active operations in Italian politics. Counter-espionage operations would include killing operatives and their associates, if necessary.

“Intelligence” was never purely a passive activity.

Good catch. That was a bit of editorializing from NYT and, of course, it’s not really true. The article is an interesting piece of journalism but the usual caveats should apply: Anonymous sources should be taken with a grain of salt and if the sources are accurate they have been given approval to talk to reporters. Very few things show up in the NYT (or any other news outlet) by accident.
Just like rendition, new administrations rearrange the furniture and shuffle the cards but very little actually changes.

197 palomino  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:43:45pm

Sadly not too surprising. Kansas is still a rural bible belt state, one of the reddest in the country.

Furthermore, just like many other states, their state legislature is overwhelmingly male (75-80%) so there’s not significant balance there as far as perspective on the entire issue of abortion/reproductive rights.

Like my sis-in-law, a nurse, likes to say, “If men could get pregnant, abortions would be available at 7-11.”

198 calochortus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:46:13pm

re: #194 freetoken

Who would ever have thought we could run out of a non-renewable resource?
//

There is some pretty well supported thought that Saudi Arabia is running low on easily produced oil too.

199 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:46:58pm

John Hawkins over on Townhall laments the decline of marriage… and he blames… women:


7 Reasons Marriage Is Falling Apart in America

[…]

5) Increased Economic Options For Women: There was a time when the surest path to economic security for women was to get married. Today, that’s not necessarily true. Women on the low end of the pay scale can have the government step in to pay many of their bills. Women with college degrees or in demand skills can make just as much as a man if they’re willing to put in the same hours. Those additional economic options make marriage — and staying in a difficult marriage — less attractive to women.

[…]

See, it’s all the lazy women’s fault. (Well, that and the high achieving women.)

If it weren’t for all the lazy women, and the over-achieving women, marriage would be much better off in the US.

200 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:47:02pm

Afghan attacks kill 6 Americans as Dempsey arrives

The Zabul incident occurred as the Americans and Afghan civilians “were on their way to donate books to students in a school in Qalat, the province’s capital, when they were struck by this despicable attack,” Kerry said in a statement.

201 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:48:21pm

I wonder if we could quantify the amount of DERP per kilobyte, and give some sort of award for the site that measures the highest.

202 calochortus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:51:40pm

re: #199 freetoken

“Those additional economic options make marriage — and staying in a difficult marriage — less attractive to women.”

Imagine that. Women who know they won’t starve if they leave are less likely to let some guy treat them poorly. Who would have guessed?

203 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:53:50pm

In other signs of distress:

Starving Sea Lion Pups Still Washing Up by the Hundreds in California

There’s no indication the ocean plans to stop littering Southern California’s shores with the tiny bodies of starving sea lion pups any time soon.

For three months, these frail animals have been found stranded along California’s waterfront. As of Apr. 4, roughly 1,100 pups have entered marine mammal rehabilitation centers in the area. They likely represent a fraction of the animals in trouble offshore.

“We’re still getting strandings of animals at kind of equal rates to what they had been,” said Sarah Wilkin, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s marine mammal stranding coordinator for the state of California. “We don’t know how long the event is going to go on.”

Last week, NOAA declared the mass stranding an “Unusual Mortality Event.” Now, teams of investigators are assembling, ready to tackle the mystery surrounding the event. So far, no one knows what’s causing the sea lion pups to starve. The magnitude of the stranding resembles what has been seen during El Niño years, when warm waters cause ocean productivity to decrease and the sea lions’ food supply to disappear.
But there hasn’t been an El Niño event in years.

At this point, centers from Santa Barbara to San Diego are at capacity. In the past two weeks, pups not in need of critical care have been left for observation on the beaches until space opens up in a rehab center.

[…]

204 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:54:58pm

re: #199 freetoken

John Hawkins over on Townhall laments the decline of marriage… and he blames… women:

7 Reasons Marriage Is Falling Apart in America

See, it’s all the lazy women’s fault. (Well, that and the high achieving women.)

If it weren’t for all the lazy women, and the over-achieving women, marriage would be much better off in the US.

Boiled down, the list basically lays out the reality that marriage has declined as male dominance has. As men have ceased to be the sole breadwinners, have shared the workplace with female workers, and ceased being the undisputed lord and master of their household, marriage rates have dropped off. No-fault’s thrown in there, but it’s an effect rather than a cause, the result of rising numbers of couples in the 60s who were perjuring themselves on the stand just to get a divorce.

205 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:54:59pm

re: #190 freetoken

A newswire story overlooked by most, but it is one of my contenders for important-story-of-the-week-everyone-ignores award:

Alaska trims expectations for North Slope oil output

I read some Alaskan blogs, remnants of the Palin effect. They are bitching that their socialist shaing in the oil bounty is only 700 per man woman and child this year. Used to be 2500. Sister Sarah and her brood are hurting. As well as any Alaskan counting on the socialist spreading of the wealth. Bummer. Exxon still wins.

206 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:58:00pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

I read some Alaskan blogs, remnants of the Palin effect. They are bitching that their socialist shaing in the oil bounty is only 700 per man woman and child this year. Used to be 2500. Sister Sarah and her brood are hurting. As well as any Alaskan counting on the socialist spreading of the wealth. Bummer. Exxon still wins.

Yeah, shocker, a state that derives 80% of its economic output from hydrocarbon extraction and exportation seeing its fortunes fall as production falls.

207 calochortus  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:59:01pm

Well, dinner calls. BBL.

208 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:59:23pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

I read some Alaskan blogs, remnants of the Palin effect. They are bitching that their socialist shaing in the oil bounty is only 700 per man woman and child this year. Used to be 2500. Sister Sarah and her brood are hurting. As well as any Alaskan counting on the socialist spreading of the wealth. Bummer. Exxon still wins.

Rick Perry and Texas are where its at. North Dakota, too. Even if Alaska doesn’t yield as much oil as thought, we’re finding more from other sources now. The production within CONUS is especially good because it also gives us an abundance of natural gas, which we can liquify and sell to Europe.

209 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:59:48pm

re: #203 freetoken

In other signs of distress:

Starving Sea Lion Pups Still Washing Up by the Hundreds in California

In our neighborhood. Well PB and La Jolla.

210 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:00:41pm

re: #162 HoosierHoops

Yes, I do.

They killed that building?

211 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:05:01pm

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel

What is with this craze for giant 4X4 pickups among hinterland suburbanites who have no possible use for them? If not for the garish paint and chrome, a visiting alien might mistake a typical Lubbock parking lot for the assembly area of a mechanized infantry division. Never mind, I know the cause. President Obama should appoint a blue ribbon national healthcare commission to look into this epidemic decline in penis size.

I moved halfway across town recently, and more than once during the process I found myself wishing I had a truck. My ‘People’s Wagon’ can only haul so much at a time. It’s also not very dog-friendly (incidentally, I feel I must point out that I hold in very low regard people who allow their dog to ride in the bed of a pickup.) But it’s paid for, and the gas mileage is about as good as I can hope to get without negating the savings by taking on a new car payment.

During the 2008 election, one particular branch of my family tree somewhat surprisingly caught Palin Fever and thereafter went Full Metal Wingnut. I’m not asserting a causal relationship, but at exactly the same time, a few of them bought new SUVs even though they are exclusively urban commuters who only rarely take on more than 1 or 2 passengers. Each one of them independently claimed that part of the reason they bought these giant glorified station wagons is because they perceived them to be somehow “safer” than sedans. My personal preference would be that they simply pay attention to the road and the other vehicles around them, but apparently that’s wussified anti-Murrican talk, or something.

212 freetoken  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:05:05pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

ND petroleum production is peaking as the Bakken production is from rapid decline wells … Texas petroleum production is very well past peak and on its eternal decline….

Global production of petroleum the past 8 years has roughly plateaued, even though prices have risen to pay for the exploration of ever increasingly difficult to produce regions.

The truth is simply this - petroleum is now in its golden years. It may take a century or two to wind down the whole endeavor, but the big boom time in humanity due to petroleum is over.

213 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:08:05pm

re: #212 freetoken

ND petroleum production is peaking as the Bakken production is from rapid decline wells … Texas petroleum production is very well past peak and on its eternal decline….

Global production of petroleum the past 8 years has roughly plateaued, even though prices have risen to pay for the exploration of ever increasingly difficult to produce regions.

The truth is simply this - petroleum is now in its golden years. It may take a century or two to wind down the whole endeavor, but the big boom time in humanity due to petroleum is over.

That’s not what Austin Blue was saying. He was talking about a big new field coming online there.

214 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:08:11pm

re: #211 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I moved halfway across town recently, and more than once during the process I found myself wishing I had a truck. My ‘People’s Wagon’ can only haul so much at a time. It’s also not very dog-friendly (incidentally, I feel I must point out that I hold in very low regard people who allow their dog to ride in the bed of a pickup.) But it’s paid for, and the gas mileage is about as good as I can hope to get without negating the savings by taking on a new car payment.

During the 2008 election, one particular branch of my family tree somewhat surprisingly caught Palin Fever and thereafter went Full Metal Wingnut. I’m not asserting a causal relationship, but at exactly the same time, a few of them bought new SUVs even though they are exclusively urban commuters who only rarely take on more than 1 or 2 passengers. Each one of them independently claimed that part of the reason they bought these giant glorified station wagons is because they perceived them to be somehow “safer” than sedans. My personal preference would be that they simply pay attention to the road and the other vehicles around them, but apparently that’s wussified anti-Murrican talk, or something.

Gas prices have sucked for quite awhile. I look at people who buy gas hogs today, as fools. All their disposable income going into their macho tank.

215 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:09:41pm

re: #210 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, I do.

They killed that building?

Yes..It took only a few days to raze and now they are prepping to build a new building. They needed it. It was old.
Be well..

216 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:26:13pm

re: #215 HoosierHoops

The one on Lindsey? The tower-y one?

217 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:49:44pm

re: #211 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I moved halfway across town recently, and more than once during the process I found myself wishing I had a truck. My ‘People’s Wagon’ can only haul so much at a time. It’s also not very dog-friendly (incidentally, I feel I must point out that I hold in very low regard people who allow their dog to ride in the bed of a pickup.) But it’s paid for, and the gas mileage is about as good as I can hope to get without negating the savings by taking on a new car payment.

During the 2008 election, one particular branch of my family tree somewhat surprisingly caught Palin Fever and thereafter went Full Metal Wingnut. I’m not asserting a causal relationship, but at exactly the same time, a few of them bought new SUVs even though they are exclusively urban commuters who only rarely take on more than 1 or 2 passengers. Each one of them independently claimed that part of the reason they bought these giant glorified station wagons is because they perceived them to be somehow “safer” than sedans. My personal preference would be that they simply pay attention to the road and the other vehicles around them, but apparently that’s wussified anti-Murrican talk, or something.

Big pickups and SUVs give the people inside a false sense of security. They are safer in some ways — more mass and sturdier construction gives you some advantages in a collision, but not safer in others — higher centers of gravity make it easier to roll the vehicle over, greater mass means longer stopping distances.

Plus, they suck your wallet dry everytime you fill the 38-gallon tank.

218 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:53:56pm

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

This is just a blueprint of what the GOP would foist on all of America if we vote them in nationally.

Well lets hope it gets overturned ( which its very unlikely not to be ) and the people behind these laws lose come next election, since most likely that’s going to happen someday, and that way they’ll be less likely to try it, if they know very few people will support it, and it will be likely to get them to lose their power.

219 worknhard  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:54:28pm

This is kind of like the gun control argument.

It’s a constitutional right but how far can you regulate it.

220 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:59:49pm

re: #219 worknhard

Thing is, its obvious that Republicans in states like Kansas aren’t trying to regulate it, they’re trying to out right ban it.

221 worknhard  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 7:05:16pm

re: #220 CriticalDragon1177

Very good point.

222 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 7:05:18pm

re: #138 Stanley Sea

FTW? I’m slow.

I think that’s “Ft. Worth”, if only because “For The Win” doesn’t work in context.

223 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 7:07:40pm

re: #189 Gus

Looks like a small squirrel.

Is that a live squirrel or a taxidermed one like the mice in Dinner For Shmucks?

224 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 7:08:11pm

re: #222 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I think that’s “Ft. Worth”, if only because “For The Win” doesn’t work in context.

Fuck The World.

225 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 7:29:00pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Well, it is the Gateway to Oz.

(The new Oz movie is surprisingly decent, though 3 seats and goodies cost about $40.)

My youngest and I went and saw it in 3D. We both enjoyed it. I liked the way they stayed true to the original by filming in black and white while in Kansas and color in Oz. I’d recommend it.

226 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 8:29:50pm

re: #195 Gus

Or an American red squirrel.

Incredibly rare these days.

227 labman57  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 9:34:55pm

Republican leadership to female voters: “The GOP has your back.”

Meanwhile, Republicans in Congress vote against anti-domestic violence legislation,

… the governor of Wisconsin repeals “equal pay for women” legislation,

… conservative pundits and politicians claim that men deserve higher pay for equal work because “men need the added income more than do women” or because “men know more stuff than do women”,

… Congressional GOP leadership vow to “kill ObamaCare”, including all of the components within the ACA that provide affordable preventative health care for women and children,

… Congressional and state Republican legislators strive to make affordable access to contraception and breast cancer screenings more difficult with their assault on PP and employee health insurance coverage,

… female state legislators are shunned and silenced for uttering the word “vagina” (gasp) during an abortion debate,

… GOP-controlled state legislatures mandate that women seeking an abortion provide social conservative politicians with “a womb with a view”,

… several Republican politicians utter a commonly-held view among conservatives that some rapes are inherently “rapier” than are other rapes, and that women won’t get pregnant from rape if they are REALLY being raped,

… previously, Paul Ryan advocated a federal ban on abortion, in-vitro fertilization, and most forms of birth control, as well as a national mandate on the forced ultrasound requirement for women.

Several Republican-controlled state governments enact or propose “personhood” legislation, which would not only outlaw ALL abortions but also the standard birth control pill.

And not to be outdone, Rand “Small Government” Paul steps up to the plate with his own effort to micromanage the medical affairs of women and sidestep the decision handed down by the SCOTUS in Roe vs. Wade.

Indeed, abortions performed in certified medical clinics must be banned, no matter the circumstances of the pregnancy. Because the GOP doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the rights and well-being of rape and incest victims.

Much better to have said procedure performed with a wire coat hanger in a back alley, or with a chemical coat hanger provided by a non-accredited physician in a dingy third world doctor’s office.

So much for the tea party/conservative movement’s mantra: “small, non-intrusive government”.

A key goal of numerous Republican-controlled state legislatures during 2013: A chicken in every pot and a spy-cam in every uterus.

American women to Republican Party: “WE will decide whether or not our rights are being assaulted by conservative policies, thank you very much.”


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