Obama: Sen. Graham ‘Generated Headlines’ on Boston, Benghazi

Still frantically doing the Benghazi boogaloo
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In the continuing saga of Republican derangement, Lindsey Graham has been desperately trying to pander to the Tea Party elements in his state (who hate him) by launching crazed illogical attacks on President Obama, repeating “Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi” over and over. And now Graham is trying to picture the Boston bombings as evidence of a “decline” in US security, because these people will politicize anything if they see a chance to damage Obama.

This is despite the fact that the FBI and law enforcement actually did a fantastic job, identifying the bombers within days, killing one and capturing the other alive. Graham is actually insulting the people who worked around the clock to find these terrorists.

Today the President addressed Graham directly: Obama: Sen. Graham ‘Generated Some Headlines’ on Boston, Benghazi.

“No, Mr. Graham is not right on this issue. Although I’m sure it generated some headlines,” Obama said at a morning news conference.

Obama said law enforcement personnel on all levels of government responded to the Boston bombings in “exemplary fashion.” The President also disputed the notion that the FBI was negligent in identifying a threat posed by Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older of the two brothers accused of carrying out the bombing near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with police during the ensuing manhunt earlier this month in greater Boston, while his younger brother, Dzhokar Tsarnaev, has been charged in the deadly explosions.

“I think what we saw in Boston was state, local, federal officials, every agency, rallying around a city that had been attacked. Identifying the perpetrators just hours after the scene had been examined. We now have one individual deceased, one in custody. Charges have been brought. I think that all our law enforcement officials performed in exemplary fashion after the bombing had taken place,” Obama said.

In true right wing fashion, Graham cannot be embarrassed, or ever admit he was wrong, so of course he immediately fired back with another statement full of BENGHAZI lunacy.

With all due respect Mr. President, Benghazi and Boston are compelling examples of how our national security systems have deteriorated on your watch.

In Benghazi, multiple requests for increased security were denied and numerous warnings from Ambassador Stevens about the growing threats from al Qaeda were ignored by Washington. For over seven and a half hours during the attack our Americans in the field were abandoned. After the attack, your Administration provided misleading information to the American people.

In Boston, both the FBI and CIA were warned by the Russians about a radical Islamist in our midsts. Once enrolled in the system as a potential terror suspect, the older brother was able to travel back to Russia unimpeded by DHS or any of our intelligence agencies. Agencies under your control were unable to coordinate the information they received on the Boston terrorists.

If Benghazi is not an example of system failure before, during and after the attack what would be? If Boston is not an example of a pre-9/11 stovepiping mentality what would be?

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252 comments
1 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:59:58am

“In Benghazi, multiple requests for increased security…”

were not funded by the GOP controlled Congress.

2 A Mom Anon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:00:08am

Someone ready Sen Graham’s fainting couch and a mint julep,stat!!

Good god I wish he and McCain would go to work, STFU and do their damned jobs. Which, if I recall correctly should involve helping their constituents in need, among other things.

3 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:00:52am
For over seven and a half hours during the attack our Americans in the field were abandoned.

The 7 1/2 hour missing hours tape gap.

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4 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:07:38am

I hope Obama, or some surrogate, responds by directly calling Graham a liar.

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:07:47am

I think Miss Lindsey needs a nice cup of tea

and a handful of these

6 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:10:03am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

rofl.

7 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:10:29am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

For Linds

8 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:13:10am

How’s Senator f2m’s popularity doing in his home district?

9 Lidane  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:14:07am

Dear Senator,

Image: memo.jpg

No love,
Me

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:16:04am

I had to google “stovepiping mentality”.
Silly me, I had a vision of Lincoln and stovepipe hats…

I suppose that’s going to be the newest wingnut chant now.

11 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:19:05am
12 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:20:22am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Damn, now I want french fries and pizza.

14 Lidane  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:22:20am

The answers are many and varied:

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:22:41am

re: #11 Charles Johnson


actually, it sounds like a great pro-marijuana ad!

16 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:23:55am

As per the Accountability Review Board on Benghazi produced in the aftermath:

The recommendations in this report attempt to grapple with these issues and err on the side of increased attention to prioritization and to fuller support for people and facilities engaged in working in high risk, high threat areas. The solution requires a more serious and sustained commitment from Congress to support State Department needs, which, in total, constitute a small percentage both of the full national budget and that spent for national security. One overall conclusion in this report is that Congress must do its part to meet this challenge and provide necessary resources to the State Department to address security risks and meet mission imperatives.

Mindful of these considerations, the ARB has examined the terrorist attacks
in Benghazi with an eye towards how we can better advance American interests and protect our personnel in an increasingly complex and dangerous world. This Board presents its findings and recommendations with the unanimous conclusion that while the United States cannot retreat in the face of such challenges, we must work more rigorously and adeptly to address them, and that American diplomats and security professionals, like their military colleagues, serve the nation in an inherently risky profession. Risk mitigation involves two imperatives – engagement and security – which require wise leadership, good intelligence and evaluation, proper defense and strong preparedness and, at times, downsizing, indirect access and even withdrawal. There is no one paradigm. Experienced leadership, close coordination and agility, timely informed decision making, and adequate funding and personnel resources are essential. The selfless courage of the four Americans who died in the line of duty in Benghazi on September 11-12, 2012, as well as those who were injured and all those who valiantly fought to save their colleagues, inspires all of us as we seek to draw the right lessons from that tragic night.

In other words, if you’re not going to properly fund the security initiatives necessary to keep the FSOs safe in carrying out their mission, then all else flows from that incontrovertible fact.

That report also indicated that there were issues within the Special Mission in Benghazi that meant that the security situation wasn’t what it should have been even taking into account the fiscal restrictions placed on State.

That report also indicates the timeline of events, and note that the attack occurred around 2142 local time. A DS team from Tripoli didn’t arrive on scene until 0500 local time because they had to procure aircraft. That’s even after alerting AFRICOM, which launched two UAVs (neither armed) to monitor the situation.

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:24:02am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

They do make however for a great sandwich topping. #Pittsburgheratheart

18 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:26:12am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

actually, it sounds like a great pro-marijuana ad!

Thinking cheesy fries with pepperoni and sausage.

And I will horse whip the first person who says they want them with pineapple.

19 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:26:18am

The republicans are not about to give up on Benghazi.

Fox had a “disquised” military special ops member who said we had time to make it there

Then another guest Victoria Toensing, a former Justice Department official says whisleblowers are being threatened by the Obama admin. A house republican Trey Gowdy promises EXPLOSIVE hearings to come.

20 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:26:31am

So how long until the nimwit blogsphere calls POTUS a “bully.”

21 Lidane  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:27:08am

Because really, what could go wrong?

22 chadu  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:27:40am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

They do make however for a great sandwich topping. #Pittsburgheratheart

Or a great steak salad component! #DaBurgh

23 freetoken  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:28:11am

re: #21 Lidane

They worship those things, sort of like phallus symbols were in the Bronze Age.

24 Lidane  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:28:45am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

So how long until the nimwit blogsphere calls POTUS a “bully.”

They’ve been doing that since Caribou Barbie was proven to be a fraud.

25 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:31:25am

FBI probes Virginia governor’s failure to disclose gifts from campaign donor

Federal investigators are looking into the connections between Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) and a campaign donor that runs a health supplements company in the state, four unnamed sources told The Washington Post.

The Post learned that Star Scientific CEO Jonnie R. Williams Sr. and McDonnell appear to have unusually close ties after the company disclosed that it had been subpoenaed in a federal securities investigation. Sources speaking off the record reportedly said that investigation has now turned to undisclosed gifts given to McDonnell and his wife Maureen, and whether they responded with favors in turn.

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:31:40am

well, I see my idiot senator Rand Paul has endorsed the asshat Mark Sanford.

Those “family values” just continue to be so important to the TP crowd…

27 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:36:09am

re: #19 blueraven

Yeah, they’ve been touting that on Fox and Twitter all morning. Never mind that you’ve got DS in Tripoli Libya who when informed of the events in Benghazi needed more than 5 hours to get to the scene. Who was getting there faster? Wishful thinking that it could have been done faster is not the same as the actual ability to get there faster.

It’s 1680km between Aviano, Italy (where there’s a USAF base) and Benghazi, versus the ~650km between Benghazi and Tripoli where the main embassy and DS was located.

Should security have been different, improved, or better? Yes.
Should the response have been quicker? Yes.

Is all this - including the death of the Ambassador and DS staff - the fault of the president or somehow a scandal? No.

But treating it like one once again shows just how unserious the GOP is about security and actually doing something to improve security for FSOs. They’re looking to gain an advantage politically, thinking that if they repeat Benghazi enough that it will look like a scandal.

28 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:36:11am

The fun part of responding to reviewer comments: when you’re like WTF did you read this?

Of course, you’re not allowed to write that in the response letter.

29 freetoken  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:37:51am

re: #19 blueraven

Fox can keep up this gimmick indefinitely. There is a never ending supply of gullible and willingly ignorant marks. Fox can do BENGHAZI!!! for quite some time, then just transition to the next bit outrage when some notable and unfortunate event happens.

Seriously. Gold hawkers have gone decades with the same schtick. The entire late-night radio industry, from UFOs to Rosicrucians, is built on the premise that a fraction of the populace will believe anything presented to them.

30 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:37:59am

Is Benghazi a scandal yet?!

31 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:38:17am

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, I see my idiot senator Rand Paul has endorsed the asshat Mark Sanford.

Those “family values” just continue to be so important to the TP crowd…

Elizabeth Colbert Busch ripped him a new asshole last night by calling him out on his Appalachian Trail adventure.

32 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:38:38am

re: #30 Targetpractice

It’s trying…but failing.

33 erik_t  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:38:40am

re: #23 freetoken

They worship those things, sort of like phallus symbols were in the Bronze Age.

A better ‘shopper than I needs to change the face on this bad boy.

34 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:38:44am

re: #21 Lidane

Because really, what could go wrong?

Arizona is just trolling the Nation now.

How can we be more fucked up they ask daily.

35 AntonSirius  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:39:11am

re: #21 Lidane

Because really, what could go wrong?

Have they made it a felony to melt down a gun yet?

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:40:05am

re: #30 Targetpractice

Is Benghazi a scandal yet?!

if not, iz still an OUTRAGE!!!11!!!

37 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:40:15am

re: #28 klys

The fun part of responding to reviewer comments: when you’re like WTF did you read this?

Of course, you’re not allowed to write that in the response letter.

“That’s an excellent question. In fact, it’s SUCH an excellent question that I spent several weeks and lots of effort answering it, as you might have noticed it you’d read the Results section, or spared a glance at Figure 4, you lazy, pompous jerk.”

38 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:40:16am

re: #21 Lidane

Because really, what could go wrong?

Ah Arizona, the Meth Lab of Democracy.

/

39 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:40:49am

re: #25 Kragar

FBI probes Virginia governor’s failure to disclose gifts from campaign donor

15K catering bill for McDonnell’s daughters wedding, paid for by donor.

So sleazy.

40 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:40:59am

Agencies under your control were unable to

well i for one am glad to see that the ‘patriot’ act gave our security services the tools they needed to prevent a bombing at the boston marathon

41 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:40:59am

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Arizona is just trolling the Nation now.

How can we be more fucked up they ask daily.

Arizona’s laws are very BASIC
10 Buy back guns at $100 apiece.
20 Sell for a profit!
30 goto 10
40 end

42 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:42:02am

re: #35 AntonSirius

Have they made it a felony to melt down a gun yet?

buying a gun is speech

as a matter of fact, guns are all the amendments in the bill of rights

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:42:55am

re: #21 Lidane

Soooo, in this case it’s all right for government to meddle in the free market?

44 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:43:48am

re: #41 darthstar

Arizona’s laws are very BASIC
10 Buy back guns at $100 apiece.
20 Sell for a profit!
30 goto 10
40 end

‘40 end’: warning - unreachable code - resembles congress

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:45:34am

re: #31 darthstar

Elizabeth Colbert Busch ripped him a new asshole last night by calling him out on his Appalachian Trail adventure.

She used him like morgue mop throughout the debate.
Someone counted it up…Sanford said “Pelosi” 16 times. Apparently that was his go-to pivot point whenever he didn’t want to answer a question.

46 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:46:03am

re: #30 Targetpractice

It amazes me the extent to which the wingnuts live in another reality.

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:46:42am

re: #44 engineer cat

‘40 end’: warning - unreachable code - resembles congress

and punchcards spew throughout the computer room…
(sorry, leftover thought from a thread yesterday…)

48 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:47:39am

re: #46 GeneJockey

It amazes me the extent to which the wingnuts live in another reality.

Another reality? You are being very generous.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:48:08am

re: #37 GeneJockey

“That’s an excellent question. In fact, it’s SUCH an excellent question that I spent several weeks and lots of effort answering it, as you might have noticed it you’d read the Results section, or spared a glance at Figure 4, you lazy, pompous jerk.”

or, in the case of the Colbert-Busch/Sanford debate:
good question….PELOSI!!!!11!!

50 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:51:17am

re: #46 GeneJockey

It amazes me the extent to which the wingnuts live in another reality.

It’s nothing new for them. They spent a similar period during the 90s acting as if they were hot on the trail of a major “scandal” concerning the president’s dick and his uses of it. To this day, they remain adamant that they had him right where they wanted him but Democrats let him skate.

51 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:54:00am

re: #50 Targetpractice

Yeah, but it’s gotten more severe. I think their reality only touches ours tangentially now, whereas in the 1990s it actually overlapped a bit.

52 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:54:52am

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

She used him like morgue mop throughout the debate.
Someone counted it up…Sanford said “Pelosi” 16 times. Apparently that was his go-to pivot point whenever he didn’t want to answer a question.

Dear Mark,

Pelosi is not who you are running against. Go take a hike.

53 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:56:10am

re: #38 Targetpractice

Ah Arizona, the Meth Lab of Democracy.

/

Fixed.

54 gwangung  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:56:56am

re: #27 lawhawk

It’s 1680km between Aviano, Italy (where there’s a USAF base) and Benghazi, versus the ~650km between Benghazi and Tripoli where the main embassy and DS was located.

Isn’t this the key point? The one that derpers are ignoring?

You don’t withdraw forces from one area and leaving it uncovered…you draw from reserves. And you had a LOT of territory to cover, even under heightened alert.

55 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:58:07am

re: #54 gwangung

It’s 1680km between Aviano, Italy (where there’s a USAF base) and Benghazi, versus the ~650km between Benghazi and Tripoli where the main embassy and DS was located.

Isn’t this the key point? The one that derpers are ignoring?

You don’t withdraw forces from one area and leaving it uncovered…you draw from reserves. And you had a LOT of territory to cover, even under heightened alert.

And that is assuming you had forces capable of mounting a rescue operation staged at that base.

56 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:59:18am

re: #55 Kragar

And that is assuming you had forces capable of mounting a rescue operation staged at that base.

And that they were ready to go at a moment’s notice, as opposed to sleeping or off-base.

57 erik_t  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:03:38pm

re: #55 Kragar

And that is assuming you had forces capable of mounting a rescue operation staged at that base.

Do note that the Ready Brigade of the 82nd Airborne, our highest-state-of-readiness major force, has a mandate for its initial company (four platoons, around 150 men) be wheels-up within 18 hours. And that’s a damned sight better than anyone else.

Anything on higher readiness is a tiny fringe force that could not necessarily go into a relatively unknown and unpredictable situation like that one.

58 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:11:19pm

re: #57 erik_t

Do note that the Ready Brigade of the 82nd Airborne, our highest-state-of-readiness major force, has a mandate for its initial company (four platoons, around 150 men) be wheels-up within 18 hours. And that’s a damned sight better than anyone else.

Anything on higher readiness is a tiny fringe force that could not necessarily go into a relatively unknown and unpredictable situation like that one.

So you’re saying Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin couldn’t have led an elite team into enemy territory and have saved everyone in a matter of minutes?

59 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:11:26pm

re: #21 Lidane

Because really, what could go wrong?

Demonstrating again that when Americans talk about ‘gun rights’, they mean ‘rights that guns have’.

I mean, won’t somebody think of the gun’s feelings in all of this?

60 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:12:26pm

re: #57 erik_t

The other thing the wingnuts willfully ignore is how difficult it must have been to know what was happening in real time, especially when other shit was flying. IIRC there was a protest at the Cairo embassy that very day that turned into a breach, as well as protests at other embassies in Muslim countries. But no,

the White House MUST HAVE KNOWN exactly what was going on at the Consulate in Benghazi, as it was happening, with absolute clarity, and CHOSE not to send in the imagined legions of instantly-ready Special Forces that were just minutes away!

61 Skip Intro  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:12:42pm

re: #31 darthstar

Elizabeth Colbert Busch ripped him a new asshole last night by calling him out on his Appalachian Trail adventure.

I wish someone would call it his “Argentinian Tail” adventure. Much more accurate.

62 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:13:19pm

re: #58 Kragar

So you’re saying Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin couldn’t have led an elite team into enemy territory and have saved everyone in a matter of minutes?

Not without Steven Seagal.

63 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:14:50pm

re: #57 erik_t

The USMC has set up a rapid response force, which will be located in Spain, and which will be able to respond within 6 hours of orders given.

The first of 500 Marines have begun deploying to Spain as part of a new rapid reaction force to respond to threats against U.S. citizens, government personnel or installations in Africa.

The new task force is based at Moron Air Base in southern Spain, which provides quick access especially to northern Africa, where security concerns have grown since the September 2012 attack on a U.S. government facility in Benghazi, Libya, a Pentagon official told CNN.

Deployment began Wednesday

When fully operational, the unit will be required to be airborne within six hours of receiving orders, providing the type of rapid response that the Pentagon says was not possible during the Benghazi attack. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans died during the assault at the U.S. mission and CIA annex.


The Marine unit will have the job of providing protection for embassies and diplomatic compounds under attack or receiving threats; protecting U.S. citizens; rescuing downed pilots; and assisting other elements of the U.S. military in the event of a need to evacuate American citizens, the official said. He declined to be identified because much of the group’s work has not yet been publicly discussed by the Marine Corps.

Spain provided final approval for the unit’s presence Friday. The full 500-strong team, which is to be in place within 30 days, will include 225 Marines equipped for ground combat along with intelligence and communications specialists, plus another 225 personnel to man and maintain the six V-22 Osprey aircraft and two C-130 refueling aircraft that make up the aviation component of the unit.

The refueling aircraft will allow the Osprey to fly greater distances without landing.

The change will improve the response time, but it would still mean that 6 hours plus flying time (~2400km or 3.5 hours according to this) would have meant that the response force would have arrived in Benghazi after the Ambassador was dead and the fighting had concluded. Assuming that everything went to plan and the orders were cut immediately upon the distress call received (because it takes time to gear up and get troops in positions).

64 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:14:56pm

re: #19 blueraven

The republicans are not about to give up on Benghazi.

Fox had a “disquised” military special ops member who said we had time to make it there

Then another guest Victoria Toensing, a former Justice Department official says whisleblowers are being threatened by the Obama admin. A house republican Trey Gowdy promises EXPLOSIVE hearings to come.

$5 says that was Rupert Murdoch.

65 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:15:06pm
Anything on higher readiness is a tiny fringe force that could not necessarily go into a relatively unknown and unpredictable situation like that one.

All you need is one smart bomb bombed from a plane or ship and bomb the whole place and rescue the embassy!11!!11

66 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:15:40pm

re: #62 GeneJockey

Not without Steven Seagal.

I smell Expendables 3!

67 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:16:41pm

re: #65 Bulworth

That’s EXACTLY what would go down in say, a Call of Duty video game. Interestingly enough, that seems to be where most of these people get their “knowledge of military tactics” from.

68 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:18:34pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s EXACTLY what would go down in say, a Call of Duty video game. Interestingly enough, that seems to be where most of these people get their “knowledge of military tactics” from.

“You can totally climb to the roof of a building just by firing a shotgun straight down.”

69 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:20:56pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s EXACTLY what would go down in say, a Call of Duty video game. Interestingly enough, that seems to be where most of these people get their “knowledge of military tactics” from.

You can’t take away my guns. It’s entertainment.

70 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:21:16pm

re: #19 blueraven

The republicans are not about to give up on Benghazi.

Fox had a “disquised” military special ops member who said we had time to make it there

Then another guest Victoria Toensing, a former Justice Department official says whisleblowers are being threatened by the Obama admin. A house republican Trey Gowdy promises EXPLOSIVE hearings to come.

Fox news email just in:
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71 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:22:34pm

Oh, and that USMC rapid response team is using the VC-22 Osprey, the top speed is 316mph - let’s say they’re pushing it to the max and are going 350mph. The trip from the Spanish base to Benghazi - 2400km, would take 4 hours 47 minutes. That, plus the 6 hour time to wheels up means that it’s nearly 11 hours after the call is made to send in the Marines.

And this is what the logistics people in the Marines know is possible. It’s not some chairborne ranger saying that they’ll be there in 30 minutes or less.

We simply don’t have the assets or willingness to put a group of troops in the air at all times to respond anywhere on the planet to a distress call. It was never done that way, and even the movies show that it takes time to get these things together - whether it was the Raid on Entebbe (based on the real deal) or the Delta Force flicks.

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:22:42pm

wow. just.wow

Bagram Airfield crash caught on dashcam

73 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:24:00pm

Fox secret witness expands his immediate response time to six hours.

We had the ability to load out, get on birds and fly there, at a minimum stage,” the operator told Fox News. “C-110 had the ability to be there, in my opinion, in a matter of about four hours…four to six hours.”

foxnews.com

74 A Mom Anon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:24:53pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

Holy. Shit.

75 majii  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:24:56pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

If the people of VA make Cuccinelli their next governor, there will be more of the same type of BS—a republican politician who panders to certain individuals and companies that provide them with perks and who thinks he is above the law. Cuccinelli claimed earlier this week that he “forgot” that a donor had done certain things for him and his family, and said that that was why he didn’t include them in his disclosure statement. BS, pure BS. He’s as crooked a winding road.

76 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:26:42pm

re: #73 jaunte

Funny how he backtracks to make it 4-6 hours, especially since the USMC rapid response team is tasked with a response within 6 hours of the call to act. Coincidence? I don’t think so. The Pentagon admits it didn’t have any assets that it could deploy within that timeframe before - and they’ve created this new unit to handle these kinds of things.

77 erik_t  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:26:42pm

re: #71 lawhawk

That’s also assuming the needed refueling assets were available for positioning along the way. Combat radius of the V-22 is only about 700km.

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:27:42pm

re: #58 Kragar

So you’re saying Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin couldn’t have led an elite team into enemy territory and have saved everyone in a matter of minutes?

They’re expecting a Megaforce class reaction as compared to Delta Force.
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79 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:27:44pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow. just.wow

Bagram Airfield crash caught on dashcam

Awful. The worse thing about plane crashes in my mind, is the time you have knowing its going to end. ugh.

80 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:28:51pm

re: #73 jaunte

Fox secret witness expands his immediate response time to six hours.

“C-110”? Who is this fucker trying to fool?

81 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:29:01pm

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

They’re expecting a Megaforce class reaction as compared to Delta Force.
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82 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:31:38pm

re: #73 jaunte

Fox secret witness expands his immediate response time to six hours.

Sounds like a jargon-y filled response by someone who doesn’t really know what the hell they’re talking about.

83 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:31:45pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

“C-110”? Who is this fucker trying to fool?

First, no such plane exists.

Second, where exactly was a large scale transport plane expected to land and disembark troops and equipment in time to do anything?

84 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:31:49pm

re: #73 jaunte

Fox secret witness expands his immediate response time to six hours.

And the plan was to get there and do what? Essentially invade another country? I guess planes/helicopters could drop right in on the embassy. It would be similar to the plan to get OBL in Pakistan, but that wasn’t planned or implemented instantly. And it’s strained our relations with Pakistan (although I think for a worthy cause). But do, wingnuts, please procede. Please tell us what the plan is.

85 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:33:06pm

The Bagram Airfield crash happened at about 7 am EST yesterday.
The tinfoil crowd is late…

86 erik_t  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:33:06pm

re: #83 Kragar

First, no such plane exists.

Second, where exactly was a large scale transport plane expected to land and disembark troops and equipment in time to do anything?

Wikipedia suggests there was a C-110. It was in the WW2 era. We built… twelve.

87 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:33:17pm
First, no such plane exists.

Minor details….

//

88 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:33:55pm
Sounds like a jargon-y filled response by someone who doesn’t really know what the hell they’re talking about.

This

89 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:34:26pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

The ‘whistleblower’ says it’s a special unit:

“I know for a fact that C-110, the EUCOM CIF, was doing a training exercise in … not in the region of North Africa, but in Europe,” the operator told Fox News’ Adam Housley. “And they had the ability to act and to respond.”

The C-110 is a 40-man Special Ops force capable of rapid response and deployment specifically trained for incidents like last year’s attack in Benghazi.

90 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:34:36pm

re: #83 Kragar

First, no such plane exists.

Second, where exactly was a large scale transport plane expected to land and disembark troops and equipment in time to do anything?

It’s a SECRET plane, dummy!!1

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:35:04pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

Awful. The worse thing about plane crashes in my mind, is the time you have knowing its going to end. ugh.

Looks like it happened really fast. It was carrying large cargo (vehicles and other large cargo), maybe some of the cargo broke loose and shifted during final descent to landing takeoff?

Edited because I read the story again and saw the plane had just taken off from Bagram en route to Dubai.

92 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:35:31pm

re: #84 Bulworth

Please tell us what the plan is.

First, Plisken can land the Gullfire on top of the WTC…

93 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:35:45pm

It sure is handy for Fox to have a secret whistleblower to line up all the bullet points.

94 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:35:52pm

re: #83 Kragar

First, no such plane exists.

Second, where exactly was a large scale transport plane expected to land and disembark troops and equipment in time to do anything?

They could try to handwave that by saying we could parachute troops in, but that would have been an utter disaster. Without a means of extraction, Stevens would have been going nowhere. If anything, they’d have just ratcheted up the death toll by putting more men in harms way.

95 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:35:54pm

re: #86 erik_t

Wikipedia suggests there was a C-110. It was in the WW2 era. We built… twelve.

I was talking about currently in operational service.

96 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:37:52pm

re: #83 Kragar

First, no such plane exists.

Second, where exactly was a large scale transport plane expected to land and disembark troops and equipment in time to do anything?

I think he’s claiming it refers to a European Command Counterterrorism strike force, but the EUCOM website provides no such luck - no references to CIF or C-110:

The C-110 is a 40-man Special Ops force capable of rapid response and deployment specifically trained for incidents like last year’s attack in Benghazi.

Read more: foxnews.com

Even on this, he claims that the group was deployed somewhere in Europe - meaning that it was at least a couple of hours from deploying to Benghazi no matter what.

97 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:38:03pm

Even the bullet point about how risky a whistle-blowing this was, got into a pull-quote somehow.
Image: Screen_shot_2013-04-30_at_2.37.00_PM.png

98 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:38:26pm

The issue is bullshit. Our guys were dead before any level with authority and time to act knew what was happening.

99 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:41:18pm

re: #92 Kragar

Plisken? I heard you were dead….

100 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:41:27pm

re: #96 lawhawk

I think he’s claiming it refers to a European Command Counterterrorism strike force, but the EUCOM website provides no such luck - no references to CIF or C-110:

Even on this, he claims that the group was deployed somewhere in Europe - meaning that it was at least a couple of hours from deploying to Benghazi no matter what.

He even admits the most they could have done was provide support for exfil on the second attack. There was no way they were going to be anywhere near Benghazi in time to save Stevens.

101 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:42:24pm

re: #92 Kragar

Plissken? I thought you were taller.

102 Tigger2  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:43:35pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

Awful. The worse thing about plane crashes in my mind, is the time you have knowing its going to end. ugh.

That’s why I wont fly.

103 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:43:40pm

re: #99 Bulworth

Plisken? I heard you were dead….

You and everybody else.

104 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:43:45pm

Battle of Mogadishu. We had air assets and heavy SOF at the edge of the box—it took two days.

en.wikipedia.org

105 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:45:20pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

The issue is bullshit. Our guys were dead before any level with authority and time to act knew what was happening.

Yes, obviously. Even the ‘whistleblower’ says as much, and nobody’s been able to show that there were any forces ready to go anywhere near enough to make a rat’s ass worth of difference, and yet you have this asshole U.S. Senator saying shit like this:

“For over seven and a half hours during the attack our Americans in the field were abandoned.”

And people ask why Obama doesn’t do more to reach out to them?

106 iossarian  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:47:26pm

re: #105 GeneJockey

And people ask why Obama doesn’t do more to reach out to them?

This. What’s the fucking point?

Obama said as much in his PC: the House is a tire fire and the Senate now requires 60 votes to get anything done so the Democratic majority there means nothing.

Total waste of time trying to work with these idiots.

107 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:54:20pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

The issue is bullshit. Our guys were dead before any level with authority and time to act knew what was happening.

Yes, but add ‘scary shadow dude’ as some kind of pseudo expert and the intrigue level will rise among the conspiracy minded and total idiots.

It is pure theater and Fox is playing it for all it is worth.

108 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:55:29pm

re: #107 blueraven

Yes, but add ‘scary shadow dude’ as some kind of pseudo expert and the intrigue level will rise among the conspiracy minded and total idiots.

It is pure theater and Fox is playing it for all it is worth.

And the only sane answer to that should come from Angry Boston Guy.

109 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:56:01pm

Nudniks!

110 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:56:14pm

re: #107 blueraven

Yes, but add ‘scary shadow dude’ as some kind of pseudo expert and the intrigue level will rise among the conspiracy minded and total idiots.

It is pure theater and Fox is playing it for all it is worth.

Did I mention, they have no shame at all? Do they give a fuck about the people who died in Benghazi? I dont think so.

111 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:00:43pm

re: #110 blueraven

Did I mention, they have no shame at all? Do they give a fuck about the people who died in Benghazi? I dont think so.

Anything to attack Obama.

112 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:03:14pm

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

There are members in the Senate right now and I suspect members in the House as well who understand that deep down, but they’re worried about their politics. It’s tough. Their base thinks that compromise would mean somehow a betrayal. They’re worried about primaries and I understand all that. And we’re going to try to do everything we can to create a permission structure to do what’s best for the country.

Hear that GOP? We’ll make it possible for you to vote for the good of the country, and give you a bathroom pass.

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:03:21pm

re: #110 blueraven

Did I mention, they have no shame at all? Do they give a fuck about the people who died in Benghazi? I dont think so.

You’re implying that they are simply using the victims of the attack at Benghazi simply to leverage political advantage. That sounds as bad as Obama!
/// :p

114 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:07:18pm

re: #110 blueraven

Did I mention, they have no shame at all? Do they give a fuck about the people who died in Benghazi? I dont think so.

Well, they get to say an Ambassador was killed, and of course there’s the two Navy Seals, but as far as the actual PEOPLE killed? No, they don’t give a shit.

115 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:07:40pm

re: #111 Kragar

Anything to attack Obama.

Even CNN who has been quite aggressive on Benghazi has stayed away from this bullshit. At least on the cable TV, haven’t checked their website.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:07:53pm
117 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:09:01pm

re: #115 blueraven

Even CNN who has been quite aggressive on Benghazi has stayed away from this bullshit. At least on the cable TV, haven’t checked their website.

Except Ed Henry of CNN who raised Benghazi this morning for some stupid reason.

118 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:09:37pm

re: #117 darthstar

Except Ed Henry of CNN who raised Benghazi this morning for some stupid reason.

He is with Fox now.

119 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:10:19pm

re: #118 blueraven

He is with Fox now.

I can’t tell CNN reporters from Fox reporters to save my life.

120 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:11:42pm

re: #119 darthstar

I can’t tell CNN reporters from Fox reporters to save my life.

I swear the only one I trust anymore is Pete Williams of NBC.

121 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:11:48pm

Florida Legislators Pass Bill To Speed Up Death Penalty, Saying, ‘This Is Not About Guilt Or Innocence’

The Florida legislature passed a bill this week to impose new obstacles on challenging the death penalty in a state with the greatest number of exonerations. The bill’s intent was to shorten the time inmates wait for execution by imposing time limits for appeals and post-conviction motions, but DNA and other evidence often emerges years after a crime is committed – a concern that didn’t seem to faze Republican proponents of the bill who said swift justice is “not about guilt or innocence”:

“Is swift justice fair justice?” asked Democratic party Senator Arthenia Joyner, a Tampa attorney who voted against the bill. “We have seen cases where, years later, convicted people were exonerated,” she said. […]

But Republican Senator Rob Bradley said, “this is not about guilt or innocence, it’s about timely justice.” Frivolous appeals designed only for delay are not fair to victims and their families, he said. […]

“Only God can judge,” Matt Gaetz, a Republican who sponsored the bill in the House of Representatives, said last week during House debate. “But we sure can set up the meeting.”

Fucking hell, why not just take those found guilty behind the courthouse and shoot them in the back of the head? Would that make the GOP happy?

122 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:11:54pm

re: #119 darthstar

I can’t tell CNN reporters from Fox reporters to save my life.

You need the Roger Tory Peterson field guide. It focuses on hair color and silhouettes of skirt length.

123 freetoken  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:13:38pm

re: #121 Kragar

“Only God can judge,” Matt Gaetz, a Republican who sponsored the bill in the House of Representatives, said last week during House debate. “But we sure can set up the meeting.”

Wow.

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:13:43pm

re: #121 Kragar

But Republican Senator Rob Bradley said, “this is not about guilt or innocence, it’s about timely justice.” Frivolous appeals designed only for delay are not fair to victims and their families, he said. […]

O.M.G.

125 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:14:06pm

Shit…we’re losing some good musicians these days.
Image: MOSSON-obit-articleInline.jpg
RIP Cordell.

nytimes.com

126 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:14:15pm
Frivolous appeals designed only for delay are not fair

All appeals are frivolous then, I guess.

Also, too: less government.

127 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:14:25pm

re: #121 Kragar

Florida Legislators Pass Bill To Speed Up Death Penalty, Saying, ‘This Is Not About Guilt Or Innocence’

Fucking hell, why not just take those found guilty behind the courthouse and shoot them in the back of the head? Would that make the GOP happy?

Yes, I believe it would.

Suddenly criminals aren’t people with rights anymore. They’re animals to be simply eliminated and forgotten about when they are no longer deemed useful.

128 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:15:12pm
“Only God can judge,” Matt Gaetz, a Republican who sponsored the bill in the House of Representatives, said last week during House debate. “But we sure can set up the meeting.”

Dude watches too many movies.

129 erik_t  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:16:06pm

re: #121 Kragar

Florida Legislators Pass Bill To Speed Up Death Penalty, Saying, ‘This Is Not About Guilt Or Innocence’

“Only God can judge,” Matt Gaetz, a Republican who sponsored the bill in the House of Representatives, said last week during House debate.

NO, THE FUCKING CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM CAN JUDGE. THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF IT. THIS IS A CRITICAL PART OF THE GOVERNMENT YOU OSTENSIBLY SERVE, AND A FUNDAMENTAL TENANT OF THE CONSTITUTION YOU PRESUMABLY PRETEND TO WORSHIP.

FUCK RIGHT OFF.

130 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:16:29pm

re: #121 Kragar

Fucking hell, why not just take those found guilty behind the courthouse and shoot them in the back of the head? Would that make the GOP happy?

Only if they control the state. Otherwise it’s

OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT!!! KANGAROO COURTS!!!

131 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:17:08pm

re: #128 Bulworth

Dude watches too many movies.

Not even original. It’s copped from a USMC bumper sticker about Bin Laden. Might be even older.

132 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:17:53pm

If Benghazi is all you have, then you talk about Benghazi.

OVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVER.

How is it today?

133 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:17:57pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

I guess teabaggers in Florida are jealous of Texas.

134 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:18:06pm

re: #130 GeneJockey

Only if they control the state. Otherwise it’s

DERP PANELS!

135 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:18:29pm

re: #130 GeneJockey

yeah, otherwise its TYRANNY!!

136 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:18:58pm

Paged:

Florida GOP wants to speed up the death penalty, let God sort them out

137 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:19:36pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

And from Denzel Washington’s characterin Man On Fire. Which probably means I watch too many movies.

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:19:37pm

re: #126 Bulworth

All appeals are frivolous then, I guess.

Also, too: less government.

and it’s just a matter of time before the actual trials become too burdensome…

139 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:19:42pm

re: #136 Kragar

Paged:

Florida GOP wants to speed up the death penalty, let God sort them out

I was just about to say this needs to be paged and let me be the first to say I think it should ALSO be promoted because that is some seriously, SERIOUSLY messed up shit.

140 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:19:47pm

Yesterday, while watching kids on the playground at the Women’s Shelter, this HUGE, majestic bird sailed in and started looking for food in the grass. In the middle of an urban area!

The kids said it was a Turkey Vulture.

Of course, I had no clue.

141 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:19:50pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

You need the Roger Tory Peterson field guide. It focuses on hair color and silhouettes of skirt length.

You can’t depend on differentiating them by their songs or call patterns since they’re all the same, or often very simple variations of the same base song.
;)

142 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:20:31pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Not even original. It’s copped from a USMC bumper sticker about Bin Laden. Might be even older.

Arnaud Amalric

Arnaud (or Arnau) Amalric (died 1225) was a Cistercian church leader who took a prominent role in the Albigensian Crusade. He is remembered for allegedly giving advice to a soldier wondering how to distinguish the Catholic friendlies from the Cathar enemies to just “Kill them all. For the Lord knows them that are His.”

143 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:21:07pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bring back the lynchings!!

To protect southern womanhood of course.
//

144 freetoken  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:21:19pm

re: #141 Feline Fearless Leader

You can’t depend on differentiating them by their songs or call patterns since they’re all the same, or often very simple variations of the same base song.

Mimicry is an important evolutionary outcome.

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:21:31pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

If Benghazi is all you have, then you talk about Benghazi.

OVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVER.

How is it today?

Insomnia last night. Really starting to drag at work this afternoon…

Need to go home soon and do something exciting. Like laundry.

146 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:21:37pm

re: #136 Kragar

Paged:

Florida GOP wants to speed up the death penalty, let God sort them out

And people wonder why I oppose the death penalty almost absolutely. You got idiots like these ones who think it’s terrible for the state to interfere in health care but want it to be involved in life and death.

147 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:22:20pm

re: #142 Kragar

Arnaud Amalric

Yup. Here’s the Marine version:

Image: Bumper+Sticker+111609+%231.jpg

148 erik_t  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:25:00pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

And people wonder why I oppose the death penalty almost absolutely. You got idiots like these ones who think it’s terrible for the state to interfere in health care but want it to be involved in life and death.

At the very least, it makes it extremely easy to oppose the death penalty in practice, even if the principle is considered acceptable.

People will always fuck it up.

149 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:25:03pm

re: #142 Kragar

Arnaud Amalric

upding for albigensian mention

note that the originator of ‘kill them all and let god sort em out’ was an enemy of the albigensians

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:25:26pm

re: #144 freetoken

Mimicry is an important evolutionary outcome.

Never thought of how dumbing down society would serve as a reproductive advantage. Or that Wolf Blitzer would serve as some sort of alpha male to be aped for evolutionary reasons.

151 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:26:14pm

Heh. Walking Spanish and I had a hilarious Twitter conversation with a BENGHAZI freak, he used all his talking points on us.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:26:28pm

re: #149 engineer cat

upding for albigensian mention

note that the originator of ‘kill them all and let god sort em out’ was an enemy of the albigensians

Old School methods for handling the “not True Christians”.

:p

153 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:27:56pm

re: #149 engineer cat

upding for albigensian mention

note that the originator of ‘kill them all and let god sort em out’ was an enemy of the albigensians

Also puts things in perspective:

“Our men spared no one, irrespective of rank, sex or age, and put to the sword almost 20,000 people. After this great slaughter the whole city was despoiled and burnt…”

This is the mindset that so many zealots want to return to.

154 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:27:57pm

re: #148 erik_t

At the very least, it makes it extremely easy to oppose the death penalty in practice, even if the principle is considered acceptable.

People will always fuck it up.

Right, and from what I understand Florida has one of the highest rates of wrongful capital convictions. One of the main reasons I oppose the DP is the thought of executing an innocent man is horrid to me.

155 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:29:37pm

re: #145 Feline Fearless Leader

Insomnia last night. Really starting to drag at work this afternoon…

Need to go home soon and do something exciting. Like laundry.

eh, laundry isn’t going anywhere, but I am.

Stick around, I have to leave soon!

teehee

156 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:30:10pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Right, and from what I understand Florida has one of the highest rates of wrongful capital convictions. One of the main reasons I oppose the DP is the thought of executing an innocent man is horrid to me.

I think these legislators need to develop a little more fear of the possibility and consequences of arbitrary justice.

157 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:30:19pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Right, and from what I understand Florida has one of the highest rates of wrongful capital convictions. One of the main reasons I oppose the DP is the thought of executing an innocent man is horrid to me.

For all the reputation of Alabama and Mississippi, Florida had the highest rate of lynchings in the ‘old times’ that are ‘not forgotten’.

158 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:31:40pm

I guess due process is too abstract a concept for followers of Free Market Jesus.

159 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:31:48pm
160 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:32:04pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

For all the reputation of Alabama and Mississippi, Florida had the highest rate of lynchings in the ‘old times’ that are ‘not forgotten’.

That I did not know. And one can’t attribute that to population density either since FL until post WWII was a relatively small state population wise I believe.

161 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:32:29pm

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

Proven! Confirmed. FACT.

//

162 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:32:52pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

For all the reputation of Alabama and Mississippi, Florida had the highest rate of lynchings in the ‘old times’ that are ‘not forgotten’.

One of the governors in the 20s bragged he would have all union members in his state “strung up from light posts” or something like that.

163 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:33:37pm

re: #158 dragonath

Weren’t wingnuts just lecturing us all about the Rule Of Law? The Rule Of Law is very important, except when it’s not. /

164 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:33:42pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

That I did not know. And one can’t attribute that to population density either since FL until post WWII was a relatively small state population wise I believe.

Remembering that as a rate. Tuskeegee Institute has a good site for records, but I can’t find my bookmark.

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:34:37pm

re: #156 Feline Fearless Leader

I think these legislators need to develop a little more fear of the possibility and consequences of arbitrary justice.

They need to read the paper. Feels like I read something in the WaPo every month or so about a wrongfully convicted man having his sentenced overturn. It’s my opinion that the justice system will never be perfect so why have a punishment that you can’t take back. I mean it’s bad enough if an innocent man spends a year or so over in prison for a crime he did not commit. It’s a tragedy if an innocent man is in fact executed and I think that’s what horrified me about Rick Perry. HE didn’t seem to care if that happened. There’s too much a desire to appear “tough” on crime in both parties if you ask me. The R’s are IMO worse than the Dems but I am also not a big fan of the three strikes law.

166 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:35:30pm

re: #163 Bulworth

Weren’t wingnuts just lecturing us all about the Rule Of Law? The Rule Of Law is very important, except when it’s not. /

I AM THE LAW

-“Judge Jesus”

167 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:35:42pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Remembering that as a rate. Tuskeegee Institute has a good site for records, but I can’t find my bookmark.

Right, I know you said rate. I’m actually surprised to hear that. Whenever people think about lynchings, I think Mississippi comes to mind immediately because of Emmett till and the three Freedom Riders murdered.

168 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:35:43pm

re: #13 Kragar

Willie Nelson plays ‘Stoned Gandalf’ in Conan’s ‘Hobbit’ spoof

Thank you for this. I needed it!

169 Lidane  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:35:59pm

re: #136 Kragar

Paged:

Florida GOP wants to speed up the death penalty, let God sort them out

So basically, they want to be Texas.

170 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:36:44pm

re: #169 Lidane

So basically, they want to be Texas.

I’m perfectly willing to travel to a foreign country to visit Disney Land.

171 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:37:38pm

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

I’m perfectly willing to travel to a foreign country to visit Disney Land.

Disney Land is in CA.

172 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:39:20pm

re: #171 Kragar

Disney Land is in CA.

Canada!

173 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:39:53pm

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

I’m perfectly willing to travel to a foreign country to visit Disney Land.

I thought The Mouse was the Antichrist. Or the Mark of Beast. I forget.

174 GunstarGreen  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:40:02pm

re: #163 Bulworth

Weren’t wingnuts just lecturing us all about the Rule Of Law? The Rule Of Law is very important, except when it’s not. /

The Rule Of Law is only important when it’s enforcing God’s Law. Screw everything and everyone else. Their eagerness for Guantanamo should be all the proof you need of that, but in case it wasn’t, here you have this.

“Who cares if innocent people get executed? Fuck ‘em.”

The GOP are enemies of the state, plain and simple.

175 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:42:13pm

re: #166 dragonath

I remember now. Immmigration. The Rule Of Law is sacred when it comes to those people coming over into the land we took from them God gave us many years ago.

176 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:44:04pm

Rule of Law is important to the GOP, which is why they are trying to make it legal to execute people as quickly as possible.
/

177 sagehen  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:44:58pm

re: #27 lawhawk

But treating it like one once again shows just how unserious the GOP is about security and actually doing something to improve security for FSOs. They’re looking to gain an advantage politically, thinking that if they repeat Benghazi enough that it will look like a scandal.

If they can make Benghazi look like a scandal, they can use it against Hillary in 2016.

She can make them lose interest in the whole thing just by announcing she’s not going to run.

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:45:18pm

re: #176 Kragar

Rule of Law is important to the GOP, which is why they are trying to make it legal to execute people as quickly as possible.
/

And you have to remember that quite often LAW =/= JUSTICE.

179 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:45:21pm

And the Rule Of Law is very important, sacred above all other causes even, when it comes to Contracts. Contracts may not be abridged or trangressed at all, ever. Except union/labor contracts. Those can be voided and ripped up anytime. /

180 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:48:45pm

This is why I had to leave behind my fellow archers on an Archery/Bowhunting forums, because I could no longer restrain myself from from asking “WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!? WERE YOU DROPPED ON YOUR HEADS IN INFANCY?!?”

181 Lidane  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:49:04pm

This is an amazing story. People risked their lives to save these manuscripts. Read it.

The Brazen Bibliophiles of Timbuktu: How a team of sneaky librarians duped Al Qaeda

Over the summer, the Islamists became brasher and more destructive. They began a campaign of assault on the city’s most cherished religious sites, its mausoleums of Sufi saints. In July, the militants knocked down the doors of the fifteenth-century Sidi Yahia Mosque, doors that were meant to stay closed until the last day of the world. Then, in September, Haidara began to receive panicked calls from Timbuktu. The Islamists were breaking into private homes, particularly those of the city’s oldest families, and stealing anything that they could sell on the black market. For the moment, they were focused on flat-screen televisions, stereos, and computers, but Haidara knew eventually they would begin searching the houses more carefully. It was time for the manuscripts to leave Timbuktu altogether.

182 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:50:42pm

re: #180 GeneJockey

This is why I had to leave behind my fellow archers on an Archery/Bowhunting forums, because I could no longer restrain myself from from asking “WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!? WERE YOU DROPPED ON YOUR HEADS IN INFANCY?!?”

Bows and arrows are very effective against the government… just ask the Indians.

///

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:51:40pm

re: #143 Bulworth

Bring back the lynchings!!

To protect southern womanhood of course.
//

As a real Southern woman, I can protect myself just fine, thankyew.
I haz cast iron skillets.
And other kitchen gadgets that have amazing other uses when needed.
Just sayin’….

184 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:53:38pm
185 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:54:27pm

Ever see that MST3K show where God is some kind of judge in a crappy looking 1940’s office?

It’s totally like that, man

186 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:54:51pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a real Southern woman, I can protect myself just fine, thankyew.
I haz cast iron skillets.
And other kitchen gadgets that have amazing other uses when needed.
Just sayin’….

I haz a marble rolling pin.
And a pressure cooker.

187 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:55:39pm

DERP

188 GunstarGreen  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:55:47pm

re: #184 Vicious Babushka

Because assault rifles don’t cause Republicans to lose elections. Votes do.

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:56:50pm

re: #187 Vicious Babushka

DERP

With a hefty helping of French powder and troops.

190 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:57:13pm

DERP

191 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:58:20pm

Uh oh Gawker is unhealthy.

Error 503 Backend is unhealthy

Backend is unhealthy

Guru Meditation:

XID: 3639004297

192 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:58:25pm

re: #190 Vicious Babushka

Maybe someone should dump the tea party into Boston Harbor.

193 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:58:25pm

re: #190 Vicious Babushka

Elections. How the fuck do they work?

194 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:58:38pm
The truth is that the American Revolution was fueled by biblical principles.

Name one uniquely biblical principle which fuels the American Revolution.

195 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:59:01pm

re: #185 dragonath

Ever see that MST3K show where God is some kind of judge in a crappy looking 1940’s office?

It’s totally like that, man

I know which one you’re talking about, can’t remember which episode, where the bad driver had to defend himself against the Judge of driving after he died.

196 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:59:11pm

re: #187 Vicious Babushka

Truth! Confirmed. FACT!

/

197 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:59:34pm

re: #187 Vicious Babushka

DERP

“Prayer Guided George Washington, His Soldiers and our Nation! The truth is that the American Revolution was fueled by biblical principles.
 ”
George Washington’s preferred method of encouraging deserters was to hang only a small number of convicted soldiers, having the nooses removed from the others randomly. Like all wars, the AR was fueled by fear.

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:59:35pm

re: #179 Bulworth

And the Rule Of Law is very important, sacred above all other causes even, when it comes to Contracts. Contracts may not be abridged or trangressed at all, ever. Except union/labor contracts. Those can be voided and ripped up anytime. /

and marriages…especially Xtian ones

199 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 1:59:53pm

re: #187 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Name one.

200 GunstarGreen  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:00:08pm

re: #193 Bulworth

Elections. How the fuck do they work?

Votes for the candidate you support are part of a wholesome, legitimate process to democratically select leaders.

Votes for the other candidate are traitorous, illegitimate stuffing of the ballot box.

201 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:00:09pm

Heh

Cookie Monster covers Tom Waits…Hell Broke Luce

Youtube Video
202 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:01:06pm

re: #201 blueraven

Heh

Cookie Monster covers Tom Waits…Hell Broke Luce

[Embedded content]

That is a new one for me.

203 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:01:30pm

re: #194 GeneJockey

No taxation without representation. It’s in the Sermon on the Mount. /

204 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:01:46pm
205 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:02:45pm

Well, we’re talking about people who believe that “defending” Chik-Fil-A was defending religion. Case in point:

Disclosure- found this on a twitter feed with the handle named “Thomas Paine”- who was no friend of religion.

206 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:02:51pm

DERP

207 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:02:52pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

I haz a marble rolling pin.
And a pressure cooker.

I have two, count them…TWO, pressure cookers.
But, then, I hate to brag.
And I don’t want inept terrorists breaking into my house in an attempt to steal them…

208 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:05:04pm

I’m sure it’s been said but Lindsey Graham can go suck a bag of dicks followed by a side of hairy trucker balls.

209 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:05:20pm
American Revolution was fueled by biblical principles.

The term ‘biblical principles’ is magical. It simultaneously means that a)while there’s no specific verse or passage that gives us license to believe or do what we want, nevertheless b) it freely allows us, but not you, to patch together disparate verses from various books/letters plus some ‘in-between-the-lines, make shit up stuff’, we assume from the passages to give us Authority.

All totally unfalsifiable of course.

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:05:44pm

re: #190 Vicious Babushka

I can’t share this enough…
Alex also needs
a handful of these

211 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:05:46pm

re: #171 Kragar

Disney Land is in CA.

ahhhhhh!

212 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:06:12pm

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

Hey, we’re just asking questions here!!

/

213 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:06:39pm

The conquistadores were motivated by “biblical issues” too. Usually ones covered in gold.

214 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:06:47pm

re: #208 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It would be irresponsible not to speculate…

215 sagehen  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:07:24pm

re: #208 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’m sure it’s been said but Lindsey Graham can go suck a bag of dicks followed by a side of hairy trucker balls.

Miss Lindsey is far too delicate for hairy trucker balls.

(fully manscaped, exfoliated gym queen balls, on the other hand…)

216 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:07:27pm

re: #181 Lidane

This is an amazing story. People risked their lives to save these manuscripts. Read it.

The Brazen Bibliophiles of Timbuktu: How a team of sneaky librarians duped Al Qaeda

BIBLIOPHILES UNITE!

217 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:07:48pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a real Southern woman, I can protect myself just fine, thankyew.
I haz cast iron skillets.
And other kitchen gadgets that have amazing other uses when needed.
Just sayin’….

Hot Grits

—Madea

218 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:08:05pm

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

Hmmm. Why is “monsters” in quotes? Can the tweeter point to an instance in which PBO referred to Xchians as “monsters”?

219 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:08:29pm

DERP

220 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:09:37pm

re: #217 FemNaziBitch

One step better … hot oil. :)

221 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:10:54pm

DERP


Teh Snoaps says: FAKE QUOTE.

222 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:11:09pm

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

Blocked testimonies…persecuted whistleblowers…refused to secure embassy facilities or respond to pleas for help…7 and a half hours…disarming embassy personnel…

Their story(ies) just keep sprouting new wet noodles of sand.

No, I have no idea what I just said, but be that as it may….

223 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:11:30pm

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

One step better … hot oil. :)

There is a great scene in Diary of a Mad Black Women (which everyone should see if you haven’t) in which a women uses hot grits on her abusing husband.

Total Justice

224 Lidane  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:12:16pm

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

Who was the douche that asked Obama about Benghazi this morning? I caught part of his press conference today while getting ready for work, but missed it.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:12:45pm

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

One step better … hot oil. :)

ah….the medieval methods….
I LIKE it!

226 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:12:57pm

re: #222 Bulworth

Blocked testimonies…persecuted whistleblowers…refused to secure embassy facilities or respond to pleas for help…7 and a half hours…disarming embassy personnel…

Their story(ies) just keep sprouting new wet noodles of sand.

No, I have no idea what I just said, but be that as it may….

They just keep repeating the same shit talking points over and over and over.

IT’S TOTALLY PROVEN EVIDENCE FACT!!11 U R LIBRUL TROLL COMMUNIST!!111TY

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:13:48pm

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

DERP


Teh Snoaps says: FAKE QUOTE.

but the graphic notes at the bottom “(abridged)” so it’s all good…

//

228 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:13:56pm

Fairness is expected, even within the animal kingdom

Two Monkeys Were Paid Unequally

Youtube Video
229 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:15:07pm

re: #224 Lidane

Who was the douche that asked Obama about Benghazi this morning? I caught part of his press conference today while getting ready for work, but missed it.

That would be Ed Henry: Fox News cub reporter

230 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:15:26pm

re: #203 Bulworth

No taxation without representation. It’s in the Sermon on the Mount. /

Don’t tread on me, or I’ll turn the other cheek.

231 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:15:48pm

re: #201 blueraven

Heh

Cookie Monster covers Tom Waits…Hell Broke Luce

[Embedded content]

That was great.

232 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:16:20pm

I think if there was any doubt whatsoever if WND hasn’t gone full-bore white nationalist, it’s safe to say that the mask is completely off now:
(warning: direct link as there is no cache link available)
WND EXCLUSIVE: ‘Beach week’ draws black crowd - and violence

The article’s “race-realist” editor’s note just so you know exactly where they are coming from on this story:

(Editor’s note: Colin Flaherty has done more reporting than any other journalist on what appears to be a nationwide trend of skyrocketing black-on-white crime, violence and abuse. WND features these reports to counterbalance the virtual blackout by the rest of the media due to their concerns that reporting such incidents would be inflammatory or even racist. WND considers it racist not to report racial abuse solely because of the skin color of the perpetrators or victims.)

Needless to say, it’s being relinked like crazy by a who’s who of white supremacist sites, and the comment section is about as ugly as humanly possible, in many cases openly advocating racial violence.

233 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:18:13pm

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Hey, they fucked up. The bloody hand is white.

234 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:18:44pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

but the graphic notes at the bottom “(abridged)” so it’s all good…

//

Young People? Interested in sex?

IMPOSSIBLE!

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:19:19pm

Because I had a few minutes of boredom this afternoon…

jokes write themselves

236 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:20:28pm

re: #232 RadicalModerate

I think if there was any doubt whatsoever if WND hasn’t gone full-bore white nationalist, it’s safe to say that the mask is completely off now:
(warning: direct link as there is no cache link available)
WND EXCLUSIVE: ‘Beach week’ draws black crowd - and violence

The article’s “race-realist” editor’s note just so you know exactly where they are coming from on this story:

Needless to say, it’s being relinked like crazy by a who’s who of white supremacist sites, and the comment section is about as ugly as humanly possible, in many cases openly advocating racial violence.

Was Tan Mom there? Or Boehner? That could cause confusion…

237 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:22:16pm

DERP

238 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:23:05pm

re: #232 RadicalModerate

nationwide trend of skyrocketing black-on-white crime, violence and abuse.

Nationwide…skyrocketing…

Totally not racist. Actually, it would be racist not to write extensively on the ‘nationwide’, ‘skyrocketing’ instances of black-on-white crime.

Also, too: totally not racist

///

239 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:25:05pm
Needless to say, it’s being relinked like crazy by a who’s who of white supremacist sites, and the comment section is about as ugly as humanly possible, in many cases openly advocating racial violence.

But the WND article is totally not racist. Can’t imagine why comments would be ugly or white suprems would link to it. //

240 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:25:29pm

Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography and Postcards in America

withoutsanctuary.org

241 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:25:57pm

re: #171 Kragar

Disney Land is in CA.

Dude, have you driven into CA from other states? They have agricultural customs stations!

242 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:26:06pm

re: #191 Vicious Babushka

Uh oh Gawker is unhealthy.

Error 503 Backend is unhealthy

Backend is unhealthy

Guru Meditation:

XID: 3639004297

!!!
Guru Meditiation numbers? Shades of the Amiga!

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:28:48pm

re: #241 klys

Dude, have you driven into CA from other states? They have agricultural customs stations!

No undocumented or other illegal alien fruits/nuts/veggies allowed!
//

244 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:32:00pm

re: #238 Bulworth

Nationwide…skyrocketing…

Totally not racist. Actually, it would be racist not to write extensively on the ‘nationwide’, ‘skyrocketing’ instances of black-on-white crime.

Also, too: totally not racist

///

By the way, I got in touch with some folks I know who live in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area, and a couple of them were actually there - their take on it was that it wasn’t anything any more outlandish than what a typical college “Spring Break” weekend would entail - ie a whole bunch of college-age kids mixed with large quantities of alcohol, and the crowds there were pretty diverse - in direct opposition to the slant that WND is trying to spin.

Here’s an actual local news writeup on the events:
timesdispatch.com

245 Mattand  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:32:35pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

The most HIGHlarious anti-marijuana advert I have ever seen. pic.twitter.com/UcdTFOzxeM

Like Americans need to be high to eat shitty like that…

246 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:33:48pm

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

Not only is that billboard dumb on general grounds— the American Indians had lots of guns. They were the best light cavalry in the world, they were survivalists extreme, and they were experts at ambush and asymmetrical warfare.

Their guns didn’t save them.

247 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:51:45pm

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

From the comments:

V the K • 21 minutes ago
Good time to note that the founder of the Democrat Party, Andrew Jackson, rode to power by driving Indians off their lands for the benefit of white slaveowners. Plus ca change…

Another one that imagines the parties’ personalities have remained unchanged since then.

248 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:54:40pm
249 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:57:22pm

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

My main takeaway of that is that his Twitter avatar is …I can’t even figure out what the stick figure’s hat is supposed to be. Money? A lotus? Dead fish?

250 AlexRogan  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:17:07pm

re: #121 Kragar

Florida Legislators Pass Bill To Speed Up Death Penalty, Saying, ‘This Is Not About Guilt Or Innocence’

Fucking hell, why not just take those found guilty behind the courthouse and shoot them in the back of the head? Would that make the GOP happy?

Not unless they get to hand-deliver the bill for the bullet to the condemned’s family themselves…

251 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:19:05pm

re: #205 dragonath

Well, we’re talking about people who believe that “defending” Chik-Fil-A was defending religion. Case in point:

Disclosure- found this on a twitter feed with the handle named “Thomas Paine”- who was no friend of religion.

S.E.Cupp is a fake atheist.

252 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:29:45pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

BIBLIOPHILES UNITE!

To form LIBERTRON!!!


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