Images: Edward Snowden Modeling Shoot Found

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TheTrueHOOHA
Ars Scholae Palatinae
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:10 pm

So I got invited to model for this guy (potentially NSFW) last week, and I just now got the proofs back from him. He shoots mostly guys, and he’s got some… “questionable” people interested in his work, so I was actually a little worried he might, you know, try to pull my pants off and choke me to death with them, but he turned out to be legit and is a pretty damn good model photographer.

It’s only my third shoot, so be gentle. Big Green

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279 comments
1 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:12:12pm

We may see a reprise of the one with the brick wall at some point.

2 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:22:23pm

“Although I’m not a diplomat, I work for the Department of State.” — TheTrueHOOHA, July 31, 2006

3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:23:13pm

Changed your headline to “exclusive” — I think it fits.

4 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:23:58pm

It is truly impressive to see someone more gaunt-looking than I am. Being 6”5’, with an average weight of 150 lbs, that is saying something.

5 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:24:33pm

exclusive? well, I found this and posted it to Twitter an hour ago, but sure, why not.

6 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:25:09pm

re: #5 neilk

exclusive? well, I found this and posted it to Twitter an hour ago, but sure, why not.

I’m not looking around everywhere.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:25:38pm

re: #5 neilk

You found the pictures?

8 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:25:50pm

If he’s lucky, these will be the only kind of head shots he gets.
//

9 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:26:06pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Yeah, they’re posted on BuzzFeed and a few other places now. I thought Gus got them from there, but it looks like he found them independently. Sorry!

10 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:26:45pm

re: #9 neilk

Yeah, they’re posted on BuzzFeed and a few other places now. I thought Gus got them from there, but it looks like he found them independently. Sorry!

I just started searching and found them on my own. So, in any case here they are.

11 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:27:14pm

re: #10 Gus

yeah, I see that now. Good work, anyway :)

12 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:27:32pm

re: #9 neilk

Just checked - they only have a few of the photos.

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:30:24pm

OK, hadn’t seen that at Buzzfeed so maybe exclusive isn’t appropriate - changed it to ‘Images:’.

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:31:12pm

Gus did dig up a lot more pictures than Buzzfeed has.

15 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:31:32pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

they took them from the imgur gallery I uploaded which looks like it has all the same photos Gus found.

16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:32:22pm

What the fuck, dude.

17 Sparsam  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:37:12pm

“Basically, I’m trying to figure out how I can connect to a remote host without ever leaving a real IP address”

arstechnica.com

18 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:38:08pm

“I think it’s cute how he keeps trying to pass off douchebaggery as morality. It’s as if contemptible justifications and greasy double standards are the official currency of AZ World.” — TheTrueHOOHA, July 2006

20 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:42:59pm

Gus, if you go back to the ArsTechnica find and hit the first hyperlink, it tries to load the archive of ModelMayhem.com. (I didn’t let it finish.) ModelMayhem is a portfolio management site whose google images take you to what looks like a lot of fairly mild NSFW stuff.

Note the AT commenter said he modeled for the guy in the pics. Be very right about this.

21 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:45:48pm

In this thread, TheTrueHOOHA congratulates a user who ratted someone out for smoking pot, and says he’d have done the same. “the more of a consequence he suffers, the better chance he’ll un-fuck himself.”

22 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:46:35pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

Gus, if you go back to the ArsTechnica find and hit the first hyperlink, it tries to load the archive of ModelMayhem.com. (I didn’t let it finish.) ModelMayhem is a portfolio management site whose google images take you to what looks like a lot of fairly mild NSFW stuff.

Note the AT commenter said he modeled for the guy in the pics. Be very right about this.

From the comments over at Ars, especially comments by TheTrueHOOHA, it is pretty clear that the pictures are of TheTrueHOOHA. I don’t think this grammer error overrides the conversation in that thread.

23 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:49:11pm

Snowden’s name and birthdate have been linked to the handle “The True HOOHA” by a Reuters report, so it’s not just the similarity of appearance that speaks to them being the same person.

24 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:50:24pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

Gus, if you go back to the ArsTechnica find and hit the first hyperlink, it tries to load the archive of ModelMayhem.com. (I didn’t let it finish.) ModelMayhem is a portfolio management site whose google images take you to what looks like a lot of fairly mild NSFW stuff.

Note the AT commenter said he modeled for the guy in the pics. Be very right about this.

No comprendo. I’m tired, have a beer in front of me now, and Denver is engulfed in smoke from the wildfires. :D

25 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:50:43pm

re: #22 EPR-radar

re: #23 neilk

This whole thing is turning into a sad carnival.

26 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:51:50pm

Looks like this is all coming out at once so no one really has an exclusive.

27 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:52:07pm

re: #17 Sparsam

“Basically, I’m trying to figure out how I can connect to a remote host without ever leaving a real IP address”

arstechnica.com

From that conversation you can see that he did have some network skillz, but he’s kinda shaky on how anonymous proxies work.

28 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:53:47pm

Feds Hunted for Snowden in Days Before NSA Programs Went Public | Reuters

(Reuters) - U.S. government investigators began an urgent search for Edward Snowden several days before the first media reports were published on the government’s secret surveillance programs, people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Snowden, who has admitted to providing details of the top-secret programs, had worked on assignment at a Hawaii facility run by the National Security Agency for about four weeks before he said he was ill and requested leave without pay, according to the sources who spoke on condition of anonymity.

When Snowden failed to return, that prompted a hunt for the contractor, first by his employer Booz Allen Hamilton and then by the U.S. government, they said.

29 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:56:08pm

arstechnica.com

First, for Peter:

quote: One can be happy and peaceful but not free (one’s happiness need not be conditional on freedom).

This is no more true than GWT’s statements. This is entirely dependant on the individual — as is the definition of freedom. Freedom isn’t a word the can be (pardon) freely defined. This is the case with so many words, and I think your disagreement with Gwt is a testament (giggle) to this.

Further, on the topic of your quotation: Haven’t you ever heard of an American?

The saying goes, “Live free or die,” I believe. That seems to intimate a conditional dependence on freedom as a requirement for happiness. Unless you’re a part of Heaven’s Gate, I guess.

And Peter, as an aside: Dear lord (heh)! You have over thirty thousand posts! Take a moment and stretch!

For GwT:

While I appreciate the Buddhist belief system, and in fact I even marked that as my “religion” on my Army paperwork (agnostic is strangely absent), I feel it is important to point out that it is the restriction of religion, specifically, that is being discussed. Ideally, religion should serve as a resource, a sort of reference or novel approach for examining and finding one’s own beliefs. I believe (titter) that your posted “definition” of freedom came under fire because it is simply someone [else’s, apparently,] belief being utilized as a -fact-.

As you have debated, that definition can be made to fit. However, as your opponents counter, it can also be disproven.

It is, as Peter stated, conditional.

To summarize, since my writings did not really address my own feelings, I feel that religion, adopted purely, is ultimately representative of blindly making someone else’s beliefs your own. So, yes, I feel religion limits humanity insofar that individuality could arguably be taken as necessary (in an emotional sense) to humanity. Religion, taken as a non-negotiable set of beliefs (in this context), would obviously act a limitation of individuality and, thusly, that which makes us human.

However, I feel that, as Caesar was quick to point out, individual belief is not something that we can be without.

…I’m not certain I made that post entirely clear…

30 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:00:57pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Note that that post is from 2003. You can learn a lot in ten years.

31 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:02:13pm

re: #30 neilk

Note that that post is from 2003. You can learn a lot in ten years.

This is true.

32 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:02:29pm
TheTrueHOOHA
Ars Scholae Palatinae
Registered: Dec 29, 2001
Posts: 773

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:21 pm
funny stuff.

I also laugh do to the ridiculous message behind the video, though. I will pay for reasonably priced software. However, as long as game developers continue to make uninspired games and charge far too much for far too little, I’ll simply continue to refuse to pay.

Piracy is today’s boycott.

Just say no to corporate amerika. Support the small-timers (online shareware) and FUCK electronic arts.

Mad

P.S. OMFGLOL neverwinter nights! Looks like they released the original artwork for the expansion.

arstechnica.com

33 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:04:49pm
34 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:06:23pm

re: #32 Gus

A consistent picture is emerging of a self-absorbed twit who decides for himself which rules/laws are worth obeying and which are not.

Pity this pattern was not caught in the background check for security clearances.

35 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:09:00pm

Edited to add: WANRING: This page may casuse butthurt level : massive.

36 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:10:11pm

re: #35 Gus

Edited to add: WANRING: This page may casuse butthurt level : massive.

Oddly enough, it is hard to tell what is driving the examples of massive butthurt that have been posted. Usually such things are very clear…

37 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:11:32pm

Some girls are all about the glasses. I honestly don’t like em all that much, but many women are like “put your glasses on and I’ll take my shirt off.”
— Edward Snowden (2006)

38 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:11:45pm

In a 2006 thread he claims that he broke both his legs in basic infantry training, and was discharged.

39 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:13:24pm
Yeaaaah…. born 1983.
40 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:16:25pm

PC games recommendations for girls/women?
Barbie Horse Adventures.
(2006)

41 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:18:31pm

Tip: if you link to a page at YouTube, add class=”video” to the link and it will open and play in a popover box.

Example:

butthurt level : massive

42 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:20:22pm

From: Just had my best arcade experience ever!

Truly, I congratulate you. You’ve taken your first step into a larger world. Big Grin

I wish I still remembered the first time when I really put people in their place… the arcade (Tilt, in Annapolis Mall, obviously) I grew up in (high school/college) is home to some of the best fighters (players) on the east coast. Our DDR players, myself included, however, suck abominably (single A on light! OMFG I ROCK!).

I’ve been playing the Tekken series on the same goddamned colossal cabinet since the first one. They always use that same cabinet… just yank the old board out and slap a new one in. They’ve got a great crew working there, when they actually stop smoking up in the back room (good luck EVER cashing in tickets). I was only twelve back then, and I was ritually raped by large black men until the heady days of Tekken 2, when I dispensed prepubescent justice upon the vast majority of my oppressors. By Tekken 3, perhaps 8 people in Maryland could beat me. In Tekken Tag, that number shrank to only 3 who could maintain a chance of success (Hi Glenn, Ted, and Nugget!). We were as gods; our arcade was no stranger to crowds who loved to revel in the gladatorial combat (and ritual rape of their grandchildren).

Now, well, I don’t go to arcades anymore, but I’ve been known to keep the story from fading into legend, if’n ya know what I mean. Wink

Your victories should become more numerous, and the thrill will eventually fade from the rigamorole of casting down the pretenders and scrubs from their home-built pantheons. You shall be a champion, and carry on the legacy that has been handing down to you by those who themselves once accepted the mantle. Our forefathers once fought upon the shores of Galaga, and they shall not be forgotten. Perhaps, one day not so far off, you may even have the good fortune to defend your arcade’s honor against the arcade-lancers who travel into foreign lands to test the strength of the gospel.

You must make ready!

-TheTrueHOOHA

P.S. Stay away from that newfangled “dance dance” nonsense. It can steal your focus away from what’s really important, like Tekken and laughing at Virtua Fighter players!

43 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:21:05pm

” I was only twelve back then, and I was ritually raped by large black men until the heady days of Tekken 2, when I dispensed prepubescent justice upon the vast majority of my oppressors.”

WTF is he talking about?

44 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:22:54pm

re: #43 Gus

He wasn’t good at Tekken 1 because he was only 12. He got better after Tekken 2 came out in 1995.

45 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:24:51pm

re: #44 neilk

He wasn’t good at Tekken 1 because he was only 12. He got better after Tekken 2 came out in 1995.

Ah.

46 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:30:42pm

Breitbart, Derpin’ away:

47 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:36:15pm

So I ratted out a pot smoker…
I would have done the same thing. The dude was an ass, and the more of a consequence he suffers, the better chance he’ll un-fuck himself.

48 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:37:38pm

Night Lizards. Been a wild ride today, Sleep well.

49 sauceruney  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:46:54pm

Where I come from, HOOHA is a slang term for female body parts. Just sayin’

50 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:53:10pm

re: #49 sauceruney

Where I come from, HOOHA is a slang term for female body parts. Just sayin’

Sounded Marines to me. But I’m from a Navy background, so what do I know?

51 dragonath  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:11:14pm

Hiring guidelines must have been kind of sloppy in the Bush Administration.

52 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:16:07pm

Promoted!

53 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:18:05pm

I also made all the pictures into a slideshow.

54 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:19:19pm

hahaha

55 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:20:29pm
56 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:21:05pm

he’s actually not that bad looking, but that doesn’t mean this isn’t ridiculous

57 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:22:12pm

That first picture just screams “weighty, responsible consideration of which top secret information to reveal.”

58 Kragar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:22:19pm

What a putz.

59 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:23:25pm
60 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:24:05pm

re: #56 SpaceJesus

he’s actually not that bad looking, but that doesn’t mean this isn’t ridiculous

The pictures themselves are irrelevant, of course.

The pointed reminder that the internet is forever, and that ordinary people can accomplish much in the way of connecting the dots is very relevant, given the issues at stake with massive surveillance.

61 freetoken  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:24:47pm

re: #56 SpaceJesus

Not sure the photog did him many favors with some of the angles. Have to handle that nose and chin properly.

Doesn’t scream “model” to me. Does say “boy”.

62 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:26:17pm

re: #38 neilk

In a 2006 thread he claims that he broke both his legs in basic infantry training, and was discharged.

Did anyone else confirm that?

63 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:26:51pm

I think it’s relevant in that he’s clearly a narcissist. Even more so when you read his comments at ars. I see no comments about social justice and barely any on global politics.

64 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:28:27pm

re: #63 Gus

I think it’s relevant in that he’s clearly a narcissist. Even more so when you read his comments at ars. I see no comments about social justice and barely any on global politics.

Does anyone else comment on social justice and/or global politics?

65 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:29:12pm
66 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:30:14pm

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Does anyone else comment on social justice and/or global politics?

I don’t know. Only been checking thread he’s been in.

67 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:30:32pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

WTF is reMilkinized mean? Every day brings so many new wonderful things learned, I can barely stand it.

68 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:31:15pm

re: #67 BigPapa

WTF is reMilkinized mean? Every day bring so many new wonderful things learned, I can barely stand it.

Malkin, Michelle.

69 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:31:21pm

re: #63 Gus

I think it’s relevant in that he’s clearly a narcissist. Even more so when you read his comments at ars. I see no comments about social justice and barely any on global politics.

I’m a misanthrope who hates having my picture taken, so my personal quirk is to regard getting model type photographs taken as 90% of the way to narcissism.

However, that is not reasonable, and his comments are much more informative. E.g., the business about justifying piracy according to some personal code.

70 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:31:24pm

re: #67 BigPapa

WTF is reMilkinized mean? Every day bring so many new wonderful things learned, I can barely stand it.

I believe he meant “Malkinized,” meaning that I have now become exactly the same as Michelle Malkin in his mind.

Oh well.

71 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:33:02pm

A lot of these people obviously believe that the US has no right to keep any secrets at all, and that any libertarian weenie who gets access should have the right to dump anything at all out into the public, with no negative consequences.

The scope of the naivete is pretty amazing.

72 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:34:00pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

I believe he meant “Malkinized,” meaning that I have now become exactly the same as Michelle Malkin in his mind.

Oh well.

Jeebus H, at least I’m getting a few laughs out of it. But the world is going mad.

73 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:34:41pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

A lot of these people obviously believe that the US has no right to keep any secrets at all, and that any libertarian weenie who gets access should have the right to dump anything at all out into the public, with no negative consequences.

The scope of the naivete is pretty amazing.

From what I can tell, Ars Technica mainly focuses on technology and is not intended to be a political forum. An infestation of clueless libertarians can be expected in such cases.

74 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:35:21pm

Hilarious Funny Or Die vid:

NSA Wiretapping Public Service Announcement

75 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:35:29pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

I was actually referring to the continuing attacks from Greenwald fans on Twitter.

76 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:36:18pm

re: #74 BigPapa

Did you know if you just paste in the page’s URL, FunnyOrDie videos will auto-embed?

FunnyOrDie Video

77 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:36:42pm

It’s only acceptable if you’re wearing your sport coat open to reveal the naked manliness beneath, in which case it helps hold back the jacket. And provide better crotchular viewing.

If you’re posing for a shot, try something neutral like “omg i don’t know what to do with my hands” dead-arms or more professionally clasping your hands in front of you like oh so many baby CEO’s before you. It’s a nice compromise between uncomfortable (hands in pockets) and camwhore (oh, I’m sorry, I was just readjusting my glasses in a ludicrously sexy manner).
— Edward Snowden
arstechnica.com

78 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:36:53pm

Weighing in on the NSA story, Bill O’Reilly, seconds ago:
“…You can’t trust any government agency. Just ask Ben Franklin.”

79 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:37:47pm

From Wikipedia, the powers of the President of Turkey

Legislative functions

-to deliver, if he deems it necessary, the opening address of the parliament on the first day of the legislative year,
-to summon the parliament to meet, when necessary,
-to promulgate laws,
-to return laws to the parliament to be reconsidered,
-to submit to referendum, if he deems it necessary, legislation regarding amendment of the constitution,
-to appeal to the Constitutional Court for the annulment of certain provisions or the entirety of laws, decrees having the force of law, and the Rules of Procedure of the parliament on the grounds that they are unconstitutional in form or in content,
-to call new elections for the parliament

Executive functions
-to appoint and to accept the resignation of the prime minister,
-to appoint and dismiss ministers upon the proposal of the prime minister,
-to preside over the council of ministers or to call the council of ministers —to meet under his chairmanship whenever he deems it necessary,
to accredit representatives of the Turkish State to foreign states, and to receive the representatives of foreign states appointed to the Republic of Turkey,
-to ratify and promulgate international treaties,
-to represent the Supreme Military Command of the Turkish Armed Forces on behalf of the Turkish Grand National Assembly,
-to decide on the mobilization of the Turkish Armed Forces,
-to appoint the Chief of the General Staff,
-to call the National Security Council to meet,
-to preside over the National Security Council,
-to proclaim martial law or state of emergency, and to issue decrees having the force of law, upon a decision of the council of ministers meeting under his chairmanship,
-to sign decrees,
-to grant full or partial clemency, on grounds of chronic illness, disability, or old age, all or part of the sentences imposed on certain individuals
-to appoint the members and the chairman of the State Supervisory Council,
-to instruct the State Supervisory Council to carry out inquiries, investigations and inspections,
-to appoint the members of the Higher Education Council,
-to appoint rectors of universities.

Curiosity now is, could Gul use a combination of these powers if necessary to get Erdogan out of office? Gul has been critical of Erdogan’s attitude.

80 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:38:01pm

To me there seems to be a lot of naivete about national security from people left, right, libertarian, etc. Nation states are going to have secrets. It’s just a fact of being a nation state. I’ll tell you this much. I knew Ron Paul was off his rocker back in 2008 when he proposed getting rid of the CIA. I mean I have my problems with a lot of CIA’s history and past actions, it’s a necessity.

81 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:38:57pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Did you know if you just paste in the page’s URL, FunnyOrDie videos will auto-embed?

[Embedded content]

Holy moly, I was honestly just about to comment about all the new refinements I’m having a hard time keeping up with. That’s hella cool. $10 a month is a bargain.

Let me know if you ever want some beach sand or poke mailed to you.

82 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:40:57pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I was actually referring to the continuing attacks from Greenwald fans on Twitter.

Ah. Another source of the clueless, although they probably aren’t standard issue libertarians.

83 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:41:45pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

The pictures themselves are irrelevant, of course.

The pointed reminder that the internet is forever, and that ordinary people can accomplish much in the way of connecting the dots is very relevant, given the issues at stake with massive surveillance.

Exactly. What you post is public property basically.

84 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:42:22pm
85 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:42:35pm

Later, lizards.

86 dragonath  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:42:43pm

re: #63 Gus

I think it’s relevant in that he’s clearly a narcissist. Even more so when you read his comments at ars. I see no comments about social justice and barely any on global politics.

The guy is a Ron Paul supporter. Says it all really.

87 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:46:28pm

re: #86 dragonath

The guy is a Ron Paul supporter. Says it all really.

I still don’t get why a Ron Paul fan would go work at NSA. That’s why i am not buying the “disillusioned” angle.

88 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:49:18pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

I still don’t get why a Ron Paul fan would go work at NSA. That’s why i am not buying the “disillusioned” angle.

Agreed. The alternative scenario where he went into the intelligence community intending from the beginning to eventually create a dramatic leak is also plausible.

89 simoom  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:50:16pm

re: #390 Charles Johnson

Turned on Chris Hayes, I think maybe for the last time. He had Greenwald on and was completely uncritical about every claim he’s made, even the ones that are now known to be false.

Yeah, it was generally a terrible interview, but, even though I was only half watching it, I think there was one bit worth a second look. As I said, my attention was divided, but I’m pretty sure I heard Greenwald waffling around on the “direct access” question, and even fell back on something akin to his having accurately reported on what the PPT slides said. It may be worth looking more closely at that one answer when the transcript comes out, because it isn’t just the validity of the PPT slides in question here, it’s Snowden’s credibility as well. One of his most fantastical claims had to do w/ real-time direct access: “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type.”

90 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:51:28pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

his posts on Ars Technica establish that he’s been working in the intelligence world for at least seven years. that would be a pretty long game to play.

91 neilk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:52:08pm

re: #62 jaunte

I saw it reported on the Daily Mail today as fact, but I don’t know if they got the claim from his Ars post.

92 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:53:32pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

I still don’t get why a Ron Paul fan would go work at NSA. That’s why i am not buying the “disillusioned” angle.

He’s a young kid who found his cult. Ended up at the right place, right time.

93 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:54:33pm

Cisco’s wiretapping system open to exploit, says researcher

It really concerns me how little this sort of corporate behavior bothers those outside of technology circles. Society really seems to have developed an unquestioning obedience towards spooky types.

I wonder, how well would envelopes that became transparent under magical federal candlelight have sold in 1750? 1800? 1850? 1900? 1950? Did we get to where we are today via a slippery slope that was entirely within our control to stop, or was it an relatively instantaneous sea change that sneaked in undetected because of pervasive government secrecy?

94 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:57:10pm
95 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:58:41pm

Whoa… this post is now the first item on the front page at Digg:

digg.com

96 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:59:01pm

Announcing Mr. And Ms. Sexiest Gamer

What a sham. I would not hit that with a truck. Standards, people. Standards.

97 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:59:41pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Whoa… this post is now the first item on the front page at Digg:

digg.com

Whodathunkit. Bwahahaha!

98 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:00:02pm

re: #96 Gus

Oh look, he’s an MRA.

99 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:00:42pm

Digg’s traffic must have slipped a lot. In the old days a front page Digg link would have crashed our server in about 23 seconds.

Of course, we have much better servers now too.

100 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:01:03pm
Gen. Alexander replied: “Some of these folks have tremendous skills to operate networks.”

He added that Mr. Snowden’s ability to obtain those documents had uncovered a significant security problem and said intelligence agencies are taking an across-the-board look at the issue.

FYI that’s official confirmation that as administrator Snowden was able to exploit loopholes to access information way above his own clearance level.

Head -> desk.

101 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:01:57pm

Its like DOAX Volleyball..except no volleyball?

Some hentai games are very good. While wanton sexuality, ironically enough, seems to turn most people off, in some (admittedly rare) cases it can actually deepen your attachment to a character and really make you appreciate a plot that much more. There are hentai games that are funny as hell, emotionally touching (even through a language barrier), and there are also games that are just straight up twisted.

To expound on Crispy’s statement, I feel that console ports that are successful even minus the colorful pr0n are a fairly reliable indicator that there’s more to these games than just cartoon nipples of unrealistic pinkness.

Not Sexy Beach, though. That’s just the rape simulator engine used for something aside from rape. Thanks, Illusion!

102 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:03:53pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Many happy irrelevances to you and Gus!

103 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:04:39pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

What the fuck, dude.

Was this guy upset when Bush rendered people to secret black holes? I don’t agree with what the NSA is doing since it appears to be an overreach/gross invasion of privacy but I was against the Patriot Act from the get go. I doubt that many Bush supporters, who now are screaming about the NSA revelations, were against the Patriot Act or Bush’s actions under it. They sound hypocritical to me.

Anyways, hopefully the ACLU lawsuit will force President Obama to provide more oversight to the NSA’s activities.

104 Kragar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:05:37pm

re: #102 BigPapa

Many happy irrelevances to you and Gus!

Image: IRRELEVANT.jpg

105 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:06:07pm

What is your profession?

Escort.

106 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:06:29pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Three years after Bradley Manning’s arrest this is the kind of in house exploit that should have been Red Teamed to death.

107 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:08:10pm

em>re: #103 Patricia Kayden

Was this guy upset when Bush rendered people to secret black holes? I don’t agree with what the NSA is doing since it appears to be an overreach/gross invasion of privacy but I was against the Patriot Act from the get go. I doubt that many Bush supporters, who now are screaming about the NSA revelations, were against the Patriot Act or Bush’s actions under it. They sound hypocritical to me.

Anyways, hopefully the ACLU lawsuit will force President Obama to provide more oversight to the NSA’s activities.

I am sure he had a problem with Bush’s admin doing it too. Not a fan or supporter of Snowden but I’m willing to bet. Now the Johnny come late outrages like Sean Hannity, on the other hand…….

108 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:08:11pm

I’m gonna go do some programming instead of reading about a 17 year old model.

Is there some takeaway from this that I’m missing? What the fuck could possibly be interesting or relevant about the fact that he once had a camera pointed at him?

109 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:08:12pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

FYI that’s official confirmation that as administrator Snowden was able to exploit loopholes to access information way above his own clearance level.

Head -> desk.

Which does not necessarily imply, by the way, that he was able to do all of the things that he claimed. Merely that he had access to information above his clearance.

110 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:10:08pm
111 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:10:13pm

re: #109 thedopefishlives

Which does not necessarily imply, by the way, that he was able to do all of the things that he claimed. Merely that he had access to information above his clearance.

Right, I still maintain that he probably never tried to tap anybody and instead just made huge assumptions about operational doctrine and the lack of safeguards based on his own incredibly narrow, ideological view.

112 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:10:26pm

re: #108 stabby

I’m gonna go do some programming instead of reading about a 17 year old model.

Is there some takeaway from this that I’m missing? What the fuck could possibly be interesting or relevant about the fact that he once had a camera pointed at him?

Uh. I added a warning.

WARNING: This page may cause butthurt level : massive.

113 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:10:31pm

re: #104 Kragar

You have no idea how much I approve of this. :D

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:10:32pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Shit when it did it become a liberal value that no nations should have secrets. From what I’ve seen from liberal and libertarian friends on facebook, they’re aghast about the whole idea of nations having secrets.

115 freetoken  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:10:41pm

The ball keeps rolling…. Reuters distributed a column by documentary maker James Bamford:

Building America’s secret surveillance state

First, the Guardian reported details on a domestic telephone dragnet in which Verizon was forced to give the NSA details about all domestic, and even local, telephone calls. Then the Guardian and the Washington Post revealed another massive NSA surveillance program, called Prism, that required the country’s major Internet companies to secretly pass along data including email, photos, videos, chat services, file transfers, stored data, log-ins and video conferencing.


[…]

Note how blindly Bamford goes along for the ride. He’s made a career over the secrecy of the NSA, and this will make yet another series of products for him to sell.

116 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:10:49pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

First time ever for LGF?

117 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:10:59pm

The butthurt continues…

118 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:11:59pm

re: #112 Gus

I still don’t get it.

119 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:12:21pm

re: #79 ProTARDISLiberal

From Wikipedia, the powers of the President of Turkey

-to promulgate laws

i only promulgate on alternate thursdays

120 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:12:23pm

re: #116 Gus

First time ever for LGF?

Well, it doesn’t mean the same thing it used to … but we did get onto the Digg front page a couple of times in the past, before the bury squads stopped it.

121 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:12:44pm

We must take the life story of this brave (though peripatetic) leaker seriously.
////////

122 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:12:44pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

The butthurt continues…

Exactly what have you said or done that was dishonest? I’m curious, really. So far as I’ve seen, what you’ve been reporting is facts and a few opinion pieces by non-rabid-foaming-mouthers.

123 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:13:27pm

re: #122 thedopefishlives

Exactly what have you said or done that was dishonest? I’m curious, really. So far as I’ve seen, what you’ve been reporting is facts and a few opinion pieces by non-rabid-foaming-mouthers.

People see what they want to see.

124 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:13:52pm

I seem to have a talent of being able to make pages that get a lot of attention from out of the blue. :D

125 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:14:09pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Shit when it did it become a liberal value that no nations should have secrets. From what I’ve seen from liberal and libertarian friends on facebook, they’re aghast about the whole idea of nations having secrets.

libertarians think in platonic solids

126 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:14:41pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

People see what they want to see.

Haters gonna hate.

127 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:16:23pm

re: #119 engineer cat

I was surprised by the amount of power Gul does hold.

I wonder if he could, declare martial law, mobilize the military to force Erdogan out of office, accept the resignation, then call for new elections.

128 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:16:29pm

re: #125 engineer cat

libertarians think in platonic solids

These aren’t just libertarians though. I expect it from libertarians since libertarianism is a much more absolutist ideology compared to liberalism.

129 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:16:48pm

re: #105 Gus

What is your profession?

Escort.

Well being the sort of guy who lies about uhm, his salary, and small things like whether he can spy on the President and read everyone’s email…

I guess he could grow up to be someone important enough to destroy Medicare…

How did you spend your summer?
“Sucking Grover Norquist’s dick for blow.”

Heh, no butthurt from me.

130 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:17:24pm

re: #122 thedopefishlives

Exactly what have you said or done that was dishonest? I’m curious, really. So far as I’ve seen, what you’ve been reporting is facts and a few opinion pieces by non-rabid-foaming-mouthers.

The best humor for me so far is that I’m aiding and abetting the totalitarian White House line because I’m a Social Democrat and not a real leftist. I must have forgotten that “Permanent Revolution” schtick so that a different 1% can oppress us was the real Leftist Value ;) Must be why dinglefritz is singing to Chinese intel “reporters”.

They didn’t like it when I’d bad mouth Manning or Chavez either :LOL:

131 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:18:10pm
132 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:18:36pm

re: #130 William Barnett-Lewis

Yay! Not the only one here!

133 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:19:03pm
134 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:19:27pm

Just for the record, Bush administration officials made the same unverifiable claims about torture:

The director of the National Security Agency, defending his agency after days of furor over secret data-surveillance programs, said those government efforts had prevented dozens of terrorist attacks in recent years.

While I have little doubt that what the General says has merit, Tom Udall also makes a compelling argument:

Added Sen. Tom Udall (D., N.M.): “It’s very, very difficult I think for us to have a transparent debate about secret programs approved by a secret court issuing secret court orders based on secret interpretations of the law.”

135 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:19:52pm

re: #127 ProTARDISLiberal

I was surprised by the amount of power Gul does hold.

I wonder if he could, declare martial law, mobilize the military to force Erdogan out of office, accept the resignation, then call for new elections.

Looks like that would need the (unlikely) consent of Erdogan’s ministers.

Someone riding in on a white horse to save the day in Turkey with a benevolent temporary dictatorship is about as likely there as it is anywhere else in the word (i.e., it aint gonna happen).

136 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:20:19pm
137 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:21:27pm

publicshaming.tumblr.com

Racist tweets about young Mariachi singer doing the National Anthem.

138 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:22:00pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

Just for the record, Bush administration officials made the same unverifiable claims about torture:

The director of the National Security Agency, defending his agency after days of furor over secret data-surveillance programs, said those government efforts had prevented dozens of terrorist attacks in recent years.

While I have little doubt that what the General says has merit, Tom Udall also makes a compelling argument:

There is a definite problem if the same lawmakers who passed a bill (legitimately) don’t recognize it as interpreted by the courts and agencies.

139 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:22:16pm

re: #137 BigPapa

publicshaming.tumblr.com

Racist tweets about young Mariachi singer doing the National Anthem.

Yeah Lidane brought that up earlier. That really pissed me off. We’re fucking better than that as a country.

140 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:22:32pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

Perhaps Gul could just call for new elections?

There have to be AKP members unhappy with Erdogan, maybe have them start a new party, and offer to be in coalition with some of the other major parties.

Yes, I know I am going Machiavellian. I don’t think the Prozac is working.

141 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:22:36pm

Bob Cesca:

How the hell did a low level IT guy with only a GED have access to a world of top secret information and national security operations, and, if he truly did have access and didn’t somehow hack into information he wasn’t otherwise permitted to access, doesn’t this reveal another huge problem with the integrity of private personal data — that it’s in the hands of random low level workers employed at corporate subcontracting outfits?

I’ve tried to ask Greenwald similar questions via social media, but he’s blocked me on Twitter.* Strange for someone whose goal is to have a public debate about all this.
thedailybanter.com

*That seems to be going around.

142 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:24:47pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

These aren’t just libertarians though. I expect it from libertarians since libertarianism is a much more absolutist ideology compared to liberalism.

well despite the fact that obama voted enthusiastically for retroactive immunity for telecoms involved in violations of customer privacy when requested by the nsa

before the 2008 election

i find that many of my progressive friends still think that he ran as a progressive and not, as it seemed clear to me, as a corporatist middle of the road democrat

yet despite everything i still support him overall, even with his flaws, since, given the choice, i’d rather be somewhat fucked than have voted to be fucked mercilessly and without ky jelly

143 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:25:00pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Yes, because you’re obviously all about hate. All they’d have to do is spend time on this blog to see all the examples of hate for Snowden…

(do I really need to sarc tag this?)

144 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:25:21pm
145 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:26:53pm

Eyeroll.

146 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:27:16pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

I must have missed the part about Ellsberg going to China or the USSR with the Pentagon papers.

147 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:27:48pm

Ellsberg:

United Stasi of America
We’re A Turnkey Away From A Police State

That Daniel Ellsberg?

148 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:28:42pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

There is a definite problem if the same lawmakers who passed a bill (legitimately) don’t recognize it as interpreted by the courts and agencies.

There’s also a very simple structural problem, as far as I can tell there’s no opposing council, nobody that can appeal a ruling and anyways no clear channel for any hypothetical appeal. No built in oversight - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

This is why the ACLU is starting from scratch at the district court level with their lawsuit. If Senator Wyden hadn’t vaguely alluded to a secret court ruling that the spirit of the law may have been violated they still might not have anything at all tangible for reference to the courts.

149 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:29:26pm

re: #142 engineer cat

well despite the fact that obama voted enthusiastically for retroactive immunity for telecoms involved in violations of customer privacy when requested by the nsa

before the 2008 election

i find that many of my progressive friends still think that he ran as a progressive and not, as it seemed clear to me, as a corporatist middle of the road democrat

yet despite everything i still support him overall, even with his flaws, since, given the choice, i’d rather be somewhat fucked than have voted to be fucked mercilessly and without ky jelly

Right, I remember noticing that he criticized the Bush administration for Iraq and how they handled Afghanistan not for dovish reasons but for practical reasons. Nothing wrong with being a dove but Barack Obama was and has never been a dove. And frankly with all respect to my progressive friends, they set themselves up for disappointment way too easily. Frankly to me the fact that Obama’s been the most vocal supporter of LGBT rights we’ve ever had in the WH is progress in itself. After all DADT which he signed a repeal of was something signed by a Dem president and DOMA which he opposes was signed by that same president after passing the Senate overwhelmingly.

150 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:31:06pm

DERP (ralphie, avert your maidenly gaze)

151 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:31:09pm

No secrets! Everything should be out in the open! …

CHARLES JOHNSON WHY DID YOU POST THAT MODEL SHOOT OF EDWARD SNOWHANDS!!??

152 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:31:22pm

re: #131 jaunte

Yep. Good follow up article.

153 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:31:29pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

There’s also a very simple structural problem, as far as I can tell there’s no opposing council, nobody that can appeal a ruling and anyways no clear channel for any hypothetical appeal. No built in oversight - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

This is why the ACLU is starting from scratch at the district court level with their lawsuit. If Senator Wyden hadn’t vaguely alluded to a secret court ruling that the spirit of the law may have been violated they still might not have anything at all tangible for reference to the courts.

That’s very good news about the ACLU lawsuit. Much better than having it based on the recent leak reporting, as I had assumed.

154 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:32:00pm
155 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:32:19pm

re: #147 BigPapa

Ellsberg:

United Stasi of America
We’re A Turnkey Away From A Police State

That Daniel Ellsberg?

That would be this guy, right?

156 Kragar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:32:29pm

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

DERP (ralphie, avert your maidenly gaze)

/facepalm

157 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:33:09pm

re: #154 jaunte

That one actually surprises me. I thought GG would have been someone like Moore or some of the others on the left/libertarian side who would have had a problem with this regardless of who was in office. That doesn’t mean I like GG but I thought he at least had some ideological consistency.

158 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:33:46pm

OMG! All caps! PANIC!!!!

The Secret War

INFILTRATION. SABOTAGE. MAYHEM. FOR YEARS FOUR-STAR GENERAL KEITH ALEXANDER HAS BEEN BUILDING A SECRET ARMY CAPABLE OF LAUNCHING DEVASTATING CYBERATTACKS. NOW IT’S READY TO UNLEASH HELL.

Quick! Somebody start a drum circle and I’ll find the giant drone puppet.

159 Kragar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:33:49pm

I have yet to see one bit of information Snowden presented to the “American Public”

So far, they only people who’ve seen what he’s got are Greenwald and the Chinese.

Please, keep defending him.

160 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:33:55pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Yeah Lidane brought that up earlier. That really pissed me off. We’re fucking better than that as a country.

Maybe not.

161 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:34:12pm

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

That would be this guy, right?

Yeah it is. That’s too bad. He did a noble service in his day but what he did was different than Snowden and Manning whom I believe he’s also defended. I am not unsuprirsed though.

162 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:34:54pm

re: #160 Stanghazi

Maybe not.

Yeah after all YouTube had to disable comments on a commercial featuring an interracial family.

163 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:35:00pm

re: #142 engineer cat

I remember being pretty much indifferent on the question of whether Clinton or Obama won the democratic primary in 2008. There really wasn’t much of a difference in their policy positions at all, especially in comparison with the difference between D and R these days.

164 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:35:10pm

re: #159 Kragar

I have yet to see one bit of information Snowden presented to the “American Public”

So far, they only people who’ve seen what he’s got are Greenwald and the Chinese.

Please, keep defending him.

Cha-Cha-ching.

165 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:35:13pm

So really. They gave top secret clearance to a guy that said this in 2006?

It really concerns me how little this sort of corporate behavior bothers those outside of technology circles. Society really seems to have developed an unquestioning obedience towards spooky types.

I wonder, how well would envelopes that became transparent under magical federal candlelight have sold in 1750? 1800? 1850? 1900? 1950? Did we get to where we are today via a slippery slope that was entirely within our control to stop, or was it an relatively instantaneous sea change that sneaked in undetected because of pervasive government secrecy?

166 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:35:50pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

GG: “…advancing the argument that America’s actions are wrong by hiding behind how things look “in the eyes of the rest of the world these past few years” displays both illogic and intellectual cowardice. Contrary to Ignatius’ unstated assumption, an unpopular U.S. foreign policy is not the same as a misguided or evil U.S. foreign policy, and indeed, the former is not even evidence of the latter.”

167 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:36:03pm

The Pentagon Papers were much different than Bradley Manning and Snowden.

It seems most fans of Snowden can’t tell the difference between the three.

168 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:36:24pm

re: #163 EPR-radar

I remember being pretty much indifferent on the question of whether Clinton or Obama won the democratic primary in 2008. There really wasn’t much of a difference in their policy positions at all, especially in comparison with the difference between D and R these days.

I wanted Obama to win because I thought there was a stylistic difference between him and Hillary, I also did not want Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton. Hell even though I’ve since warmed up to her, I am still not in a huge rush to nominate her in 2016. Now that said I’d take her over any of the Republicans no doubt.

169 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:36:49pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Yeah after all YouTube had to disable comments on a commercial featuring an interracial family.

YouTube should disable all comments on everything.

170 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:37:25pm

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

YouTube should disable all comments on everything.

Nah. Let people show how ugly they are.

171 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:38:44pm


Man, these people. I’m getting a headache.

172 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:39:21pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Man, these people. I’m getting a headache.

There they go getting religious again.

173 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:39:37pm

There must be a lot of room in Australia to let the self-righteousness spread out.

174 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:40:02pm

re: #21 neilk

In this thread, TheTrueHOOHA congratulates a user who ratted someone out for smoking pot, and says he’d have done the same. “the more of a consequence he suffers, the better chance he’ll un-fuck himself.”

Ron Paul!

?

175 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:40:24pm

re: #166 jaunte

As I said, it surprises me. Interesting stuff tho.

176 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:42:02pm

re: #174 funky chicken

Well now we know that he started out as the kind of meddling asshole who works for the police… but it doesn’t explain how he’s the sort to sell out his country.

177 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:44:01pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

As I said that shocks me since I thought GG had been in the re: #166 jaunte

As I said, it surprises me. Interesting stuff tho.

In the linked GG article, his main point seems to be that the US shouldn’t decide what is and is not in its national interest by doing a popularity poll of other nations.

That does not speak directly to the question of what level of secrecy/surveillance is proper in GG’s view.

178 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:44:21pm

re: #165 Gus

So really. They gave top secret clearance to a guy that said this in 2006?

Jeez, he sounds like a character in a Dan Brown novel.

179 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:44:32pm

Wingnuts WTF

180 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:45:02pm

re: #177 EPR-radar

In the linked GG article, his main point seems to be that the US shouldn’t decide what is and is not in its national interest by doing a popularity poll of other nations.

That does not speak directly to the question of what level of secrecy/surveillance is proper in GG’s view.

True enough.

181 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:45:53pm
182 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:46:22pm

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts WTF

Yeah Leo Gerard the president of the Steelworkers union which hasn’t had much power in years. I give him an A for originality though.

183 erik_t  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:47:24pm

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts WTF

Who in the honest fuck is Leo Gerard?

184 Kragar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:53:53pm

re: #183 erik_t

Who in the honest fuck is Leo Gerard?

Not.. the LEO GERARD?!

Fuck if I know.

185 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:57:03pm

re: #183 erik_t

Who in the honest fuck is Leo Gerard?

YOUR NOT SUPPOSE TO KNOW!!11!!

186 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:57:17pm

DERP

187 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:58:37pm

re: #184 Kragar

Youtube Video

188 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:58:59pm

I’m really glad my friends here at LGF came down on the same side of this issue that I had. I’m amazed at how much support he’s getting.

(And I hope he’s not gay, like Bradley Manning is. It could start a backlash in the newly integrated Military….)

189 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:59:19pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

190 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:00:12pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

DERP

The online survey of 645 Americans.

191 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:00:24pm

re: #189 lawhawk

Online survey no less.

192 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:00:49pm

re: #189 lawhawk

Also. You are so blocked! //

193 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:01:19pm

re: #190 Gus

The online survey of 645 Americans.

Taken on Twitter.

194 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:01:31pm

re: #191 Gus

No way to screw with those results. No siree.

///////////All of the Sarc tags.

195 bratwurst  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:01:55pm

re: #190 Gus

The online survey of 645 Americans.

An unscientific survey done in an unscientific manner. If such surveys were valid, Ron Paul would be into his second presidential term.

196 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:02:25pm

Oh, shit

Venezuela: Where You Need A Smartphone App To Find Toilet Paper

There are often little signs that all is not well in an economy. Large numbers of young men hanging around moodily on street corners might indicate that the unemployment rate is rather high just as one example. Another might be that the simple basics of a modern life are not available in the shops. So it is in Venezuela at present, so much so that someone’s written a smartphone app to provide crowd sourced information of where those basics are:

Toilet roll has been in short supply in the South American country in recent months, with economists blaming price controls imposed by the government.

The new programme, launched last week, uses crowdsourcing technology to enable users to let each other know which supermarkets still have stocks of the tissue.

Called Abasteceme - “Supply Me” in English - the free Android app has already been downloaded more than 12,000 times.

197 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:02:56pm

re: #195 bratwurst

An unscientific survey done in an unscientific manner. If such surveys were valid, Ron Paul would be into his second presidential term.

RON PAUL WINS AGAIN!

198 simoom  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:02:59pm

re: #89 simoom

Here we go. The Hayes > Greenwald interview “direct access” question:

video.msnbc.msn.com

HAYES>> in terms of the revelations that we’ve gotten so far, and they fall into a number of different categories, i do want to ask you, before i let you go, there’s been some push back on the reporting, particularly about the prism program, and there’s another program that comes from those power point slides that use the phrase directly from the servers, direct access . and there was push back by the tech companies who are listed in those slides saying we didn’t give any direct access . there’s question about what that phrase means or could mean. and i just want you to clarify your best understanding of what the reality is about the nexus between how the nsa is working with these private tech companies.

GREENWALD>> sure. we’ve published four stories so far. the only one about which there has been any question raised is the one that the — the only one the washington post also published is the prism story. our story was written differently than the way the post wrote theirs. our story was the following, we have documents, a document from the nsa that very clearly claims that they are collecting directly from the servers of the internet giants. that’s the exact language that this document used. we went to those internet companies before publishing and asked them and they denied it. we put into the story prominently that they denied it. our story is that there is a discrepancy between the relationship, the private sector and the government has in terms of what the nsa claims and what the technology company claims. what is definitely true. and follow-up by the times has proven this, there have been all kinds of negotiations about back door access. they have agreements to share data with the government. i don’t think anybody knows at this point what the nature of the arrangements are. the reason we published our story and presented it as this discrepancy is because whatever the tech companies and companies are doing, should be done in public. we should know what agreements they’ve reached. we should know what the government has asked for and what they’re negotiating with now in terms of access. what we do know for sure, is that the government has a program that targets the communication over these companies, huge numbers of people around the world used to communicate with one another. we think there should be accountability and transparency for whatever those exact agreements are.

So it looks like my recollection was right. Greenwald majorly waffled on his definitive claims of direct access and is now saying the story is actually about the discrepancy between his interpretation of the Powerpoint slide and the denials of all the major stakeholders involved.

Also when he mentions arrangements between the stakeholders he makes it evidently clear that he has no idea what they might be. Examples:

“… i don’t think anybody knows at this point what the nature of the arrangements are.”

“… whatever those exact agreements are.”

Greenwald gave away the game here.

199 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:03:31pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

Some 23 percent of those surveyed said former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden is a traitor while 31 percent said he is a patriot. Another 46 percent said they did not know.

31% vs. 23% of an online survey is “more Americans.”
What hackery.

200 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:03:50pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Yeah Leo Gerard the president of the Steelworkers union which hasn’t had much power in years. I give him an A for originality though.

Didn’t recognize the name. One thing about the RWNJ brigade, they find someone new to attack every week.

Check how often Leo Gerard appears in tweets the next 5.25 days.

201 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:04:39pm

re: #199 jaunte

31% vs, 23% of an online survey is “more Americans.”
What hackery.

“Most Americans don’t give a flying f—- about Edward Snowden.” It’s just as accurate as the drivel they put up there.

202 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:09:56pm

Derp.

203 Weet  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:11:34pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Thrilled that I found your site. Have left the sites I used to read due to the liberal ‘outrage’. I had no idea they were that ignorant and lacking in critical thinking skills. How anyone could look at that ppt, and then read Snowflake’s interview, not to mention Greenbeck, and think there was anything ‘heroic’ or even truthful about this story — it’s beyond me.

204 Kragar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:11:47pm

re: #199 jaunte

31% vs. 23% of an online survey is “more Americans.”
What hackery.

31% of 645 surveyed means about 200 people.

Who can argue with that?

205 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:14:07pm

re: #203 Weet

Welcome hatchling.

206 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:15:28pm

re: #204 Kragar

Alternate headline:
“Online survey shows that at least 297 Americans don’t give a shit about Edward Snowden. “

207 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:18:48pm
208 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:23:11pm

Youtube Video
I’m off to buy some yogurt to calm my stomach
Anyway the above is an example of how religion deserves to be treated

209 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:24:29pm

re: #203 Weet

Many so-called-Liberals seem to have gotten caught up in Libertarianism. Granted, there was a time I did so, but that time was High School. Idealism and ideology are meant to be dropped as one gets older, and becomes more pragmatic.

And welcome hatchling, you are doing much better than I did when I was a hatchling.

210 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:31:48pm
211 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:32:13pm

Ruckus in Wisconsin Senate: Republicans push through ultrasound bill after silencing Democrats

212 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:33:42pm

re: #211 jaunte

Ruckus in Wisconsin Senate: Republicans push through ultrasound bill after silencing Democrats

Just proves one thing. White dudes still rule. Look at how these two white dudes almost get to hold an administration almost at ransom.

213 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:34:27pm

re: #210 Gus

That’s where the international pressure (that Greenwald was advising us to ignore in 2005) comes into play.

214 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:35:03pm

re: #208 stabby

Yes, we get it, you hate religion reflexively.

You know what though? Some of us believe in a higher power. We get comfort, and to some extent purpose, from it.

So how about you drop your silly little anti-religion soapbox. Religion is not the only thing to be fought over. Nationalism and Ethnocentrism can be just as toxic. Hell, in a few cases, Religion can ameliorate these quite secular faults in humanity.

And to the others here, I have had a bit of a bad night, and my patience for this kind of bullcrap is low.

215 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:36:38pm

re: #213 jaunte

That’s where the international pressure (that Greenwald was advising us to ignore in 2005) comes into play.

Hahaha! Yes, I see what you did there. But hey, national identity! [Salute!] //

216 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:37:46pm

What if Greenwald and Snowden were two Puerto Rican-Americans from Booklyn?

217 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:41:05pm

What if it was Al Sharpton instead of Glenn Greenwald?

218 Weet  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:45:10pm

re: #205 Stanghazi

Welcome hatchling.

Danke!

219 Lancelot Link  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:45:32pm

This is entirely superficial, but doesn’t he look like a prettyboy version of James O’Keefe (without the broken nose)?

220 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:46:54pm

re: #217 Gus

What if it was Al Sharpton instead of Glenn Greenwald?

It wouldn’t be. For all his banter and wrongheadedness, Al Sharpton’s no traitor. Also, even at his tracksuit 1980’s worst, he can across better than that little emo Snowden. He even seems like he’s whining in those modeling photos.

221 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:47:44pm
222 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:47:48pm

re: #208 stabby

GAZE

223 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:51:26pm

Youtube Video

Home Deport Co-Founder Ken Langone told Neil Cavuto the NSA leaker Edward Snowden should be celebrated. “I’d throw a party for him. I’d congratulate him. I’d ssay thank you for helping protect America’s privacy rights. That’s what I’d do for him… I think we ought to be grateful that we have kids like that in America.”

224 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:53:36pm

This about Snowden over at Blackfive. Please excuse me if someone posted it already.

blackfive.net

225 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:54:29pm

re: #221 NJDhockeyfan

For all you crazy hell raisers. A moment of silence.

226 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:55:14pm

re: #224 Ojoe

This about Snowden over at Blackfive. Please excuse me if someone posted it already.

blackfive.net

Yes, I admit. I actually agree with wingnuts sometimes.

227 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:55:59pm
228 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:56:15pm

re: #224 Ojoe

This about Snowden over at Blackfive. Please excuse me if someone posted it already.

blackfive.net

Booze Allan Hamilton also verified that he lied about his employment with them (ie, that he made less than he said, and did not have the powers he claimed to have).

Edward Snowden = Sad-sack loser.

229 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:56:17pm

re: #224 Ojoe

Snowden’s credibility takes another arrow to the knee.

230 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:56:23pm

The wires are crossed with this story. Politically. That’s cool.

231 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:56:45pm

re: #229 jaunte

Well played.

232 Weet  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:57:02pm

re: #209 ProTARDISLiberal

Idealism and ideology are meant to be dropped as one gets older, and becomes more pragmatic.

And welcome hatchling, you are doing much better than I did when I was a hatchling.

Pragmatic indeed. And thank you for the welcome!

233 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:57:20pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

True that, but it’s too tough a maneuver for the lazy-minded.

234 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:58:55pm

re: #226 Gus

Yes, I admit. I actually agree with wingnuts sometimes.

Well I like a lot of what they post at Blackfive. Anyway there’s a military tradition on both sides of my family so the warrior/honor stuff resonates with me.

235 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:01:40pm

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

I think we ought to be grateful that we have kids like that in America

Has anyone told him Snowden’s in China?

236 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:04:32pm

re: #234 Ojoe

Well I like a lot of what they post at Blackfive. Anyway there’s a military tradition on both sides of my family so the warrior/honor stuff resonates with me.

Yep. Has little to do with politics. It’s too early to go unicorn on national defense. That doesn’t mean we can’t loosen up the NSA and FISA stuff a touch. Either that or the NSA will go underground again. The tools for tyranny are always there. In our human history we’ve had tyranny from stone and leather.

237 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:06:02pm
238 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:06:06pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

Youtube Video

239 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:06:43pm
240 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:08:14pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

That’s the problem with politics. Too many damn absolutists. But thanks for your tweets especially the one about one can still have a problem with the PA and want more transparency and yet still have a problem with Snowden. That one resonates big with me.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:08:20pm

re: #235 jaunte

Has anyone told him Snowden’s in China?

Grateful that we have kids in America that will give government secrets to China. I think that’s what he meant.

242 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:09:06pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

[Builds giant puppet of Elvis and NIXOOOONNNNN11!!!ty]

243 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:09:40pm

Fucking Snowden and Greenwald poisoning the well of discussion.

244 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:10:36pm

re: #224 Ojoe

This about Snowden over at Blackfive. Please excuse me if someone posted it already.

blackfive.net

Excellent!

245 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:13:45pm

re: #242 Gus

[Builds giant puppet of Elvis and NIXOOOONNNNN11!!!ty]

Just try being seen, hidden behind the giant Greenwald head.

246 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:15:34pm

re: #190 Gus

The online survey of 645 Americans.

online = Paulbots

247 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:16:38pm
248 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:16:54pm

re: #246 BigPapa

online = Paulbots

Exactly. Set up that kind of online survey and it will swiftly by overrun by Crazy Uncle Ron’s flying monkeys.

249 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:17:44pm

Scientists figure out sailing rocks.

core77.com

Pretty cool shit…really.

250 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:17:59pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

I love the “uh” part.

251 calochortus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:21:21pm

re: #249 darthstar

Scientists figure out sailing rocks.

core77.com

Pretty cool shit…really.

Way cool. I only regret that I have but one upding to give to that post.

252 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:22:13pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

You know, the Justice Department’s investigation of national security leaks offers a recent example of the challenges involved in striking the right balance between our security and our open society. As commander in chief, I believe we must keep information secret that protects our operations and our people in the field. To do so, we must enforce consequences for those who break the law and breach their commitment to protect classified information. But a free press is also essential for our democracy. That’s who we are. And I’m troubled by the possibility that leak investigations may chill the investigative journalism that holds government accountable.

Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs. Our focus must be on those who break the law. That’s why I have called on Congress to pass a media shield law to guard against government overreach. And I’ve raised these issues with the attorney general, who shares my concern. So he’s agreed to review existing Department of Justice guidelines governing investigations that involve reporters, and he’ll convene a group of media organizations to hear their concerns as part of that review. And I’ve directed the attorney general to report back to me by July 12th.
washingtonpost.com

Well, how about that.

253 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:22:35pm
254 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:25:14pm

A summer camp that makes Jesus Camp look benign by comparison:

Gaza kids play ‘kidnap Israeli soldier’ in summer camp

n a somewhat unorthodox summer camp in the Gaza Strip, children aged between six and 16 picked up AK-47s and engaged in a series of quasi-military drills, including a lively game of “kidnap an Israeli soldier” in the sand dunes of Rafah.

An AFP correspondent listed some of the activities the Islamic Jihad summer camp offers its enrollees: Weapons use, jumping over fire and crawling under barbed wire, all performed to the tune of exploding charges.

Aside from technical skills, camp organizers also promise religious lessons.

Several photographs released on Wednesday show a young khaki-clad vacationer, his face colored in camouflage, dragged by two gun-toting tykes from an “outpost” adorned with an Israeli flag, in what appeared to be a reenactment of the Gilad Shalit kidnapping.

Image: AFP0334587-01-08327534_wa.jpg

255 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:26:51pm

re: #253 Gus

The Guardian would never have pulled this with a British secret program, because they’d then be prosecuted for violating that nation’s Official Secrets Act.

257 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:27:53pm

Put another way. [Glasses clink.] I’d rather have Mitt Romney as president then some nut from Occupy Fill In the Blank Space.

258 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:30:40pm

The NSA is not like some science fiction movie.

259 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:31:03pm

Jesus H. Christ.

260 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:34:21pm

Explaining the NSA thing to my wife tonight:

She: So they have direct access to Google, etc?

Me: No. FiSA gives a warrant to the NSA, and they send a request to Google, who puts the requested information (most likely international data) onto an SFTP server (SFTP being SECURE FTP) and the NSA requests it. They don’t have access to the Google servers with your searches for rabbits with pancakes on their heads.

She: Oh, well then, that makes perfect sense.

261 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:38:00pm

re: #132 ProTARDISLiberal

Yay! Not the only one here!

Bit late, but more Socialist than the European meaning of Social Democrat. I’m in the Democratic Socialists of America and am fairly hard left, especially in Economics. But not “pure” enough apparently ;)

262 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:38:41pm

re: #257 Gus

Put another way. [Glasses clink.] I’d rather have Mitt Romney as president then some nut from Occupy Fill In the Blank Space.

Oh God.

I didn’t get Bush Derangement Syndrome and I didn’t get Obama Derangement Syndrome.

But Mr. “fuck the 47%” and his zombie-eyed granny starver would have me buying a ticket to anywhere else so fast it would make your head spin.

263 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:39:22pm

re: #257 Gus

Put another way. [Glasses clink.] I’d rather have Mitt Romney as president then some nut from Occupy Fill In the Blank Space.

Yeah, but I’d rather have one of the cool and sensible people I met at Occupy in the early days than Romney, too.

264 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:40:37pm

Oh, “Occupy fill in the blank”
:/

I missed the “occupy” part.

265 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:44:19pm

re: #210 Gus

I’m telling ya. I don’t know what’s up and down. Whom I’m agreeing with is leaving me with mental whiplash.

266 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:46:31pm

re: #261 William Barnett-Lewis

I do believe that some economic sectors should be state owned.

A few off the top of my head are power companies, utilities, and insurance.

267 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:51:47pm

re: #266 ProTARDISLiberal

Power generation is fine being private, so long as its regulated.

268 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:55:15pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

Power generation is fine being private, so long as its regulated.

No, because they’re monopolies. I’m opposed to privatized toll roads for the same reason.

269 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:57:12pm

re: #262 stabby

Oh God.

I didn’t get Bush Derangement Syndrome and I didn’t get Obama Derangement Syndrome.

But Mr. “fuck the 47%” and his zombie-eyed granny starver would have me buying a ticket to anywhere else so fast it would make your head spin.

Well, I can now think of one good thing that would have happened in a Romney presidency!

270 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:01:26pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

Power generation is fine being private, so long as its regulated.

I disagree due to the cost of appropriate (nuke, solar, wind) infrastructure that for profit companies - especially ones holding monopolies don’t want to have to pay out from their profit margins. Things like a power plant that provide for the common benefit should be paid for out of the common wealth so that the costs are distributed evenly.

For a good example, see TVA.

271 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:02:38pm

re: #268 Interesting Times

No, because they’re monopolies. I’m opposed to privatized toll roads for the same reason.

Not necessarily. You can have more than one power generation firm, or have such a firm that sells to several different utilities. Monopolism isn’t a ‘must’.

272 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:06:45pm

re: #270 William Barnett-Lewis

And I disagree again, because I’f rather not allow the government that kind of control. Better AGW than energy hostile government actively pushing up consumer costs. I trust government far less than private industry.

273 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:17:49pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

And I disagree again, because I’f rather not allow the government that kind of control. Better AGW than energy hostile government actively pushing up consumer costs. I trust government far less than private industry.

Whereas, as we’ve discussed previously, I trust government far more than any man or company seeking profit. Only when profit is removed, as it is in a government owned entity, can those running it be trusted to do so for the common good rather than the sole good of their pocket.

274 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:27:07pm

re: #268 Interesting Times

And thank you for another example.

Some things should be Private, some things should be state.

275 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 11:26:18pm

re: #241 NJDhockeyfan

Grateful that we have kids in America that will give government secrets to China. I think that’s what he meant.

My kids are such failures. Not one has divulged any sensitive intel to anyone. Where have I failed as a parent?

//

276 Lancelot Link  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:26:52am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

I trust government far less than private industry.

Private industry like Enron? We saw how well that worked.

277 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 6:01:36am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

And I disagree again, because I’f rather not allow the government that kind of control. Better AGW than energy hostile government actively pushing up consumer costs. I trust government far less than private industry.

You should know better than to spout this sort of reflexive, cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face stupidity. You sound little better than this douche when you say things like that, and are the perfect argument against the very things you purport to support.

278 122 Year Old Obama  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 6:14:26am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

And I disagree again, because I’f rather not allow the government that kind of control. Better AGW than energy hostile government actively pushing up consumer costs. I trust government far less than private industry.

…Really? The future of the planet is less important to you than reduced consumer costs? What the fuck?
What is this I don’t even… Do you even think about this before spouting off inane, kneejerk bullshit like this?

Better humanity as a whole suffer than have the precious private industry, much of which is notorious for fucking people over in the first place, follow some sort of ethical standard on this?

279 EPR-radar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 4:13:19pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

And I disagree again, because I’f rather not allow the government that kind of control. Better AGW than energy hostile government actively pushing up consumer costs. I trust government far less than private industry.

Well, this really does cut to the chase, doesn’t it? No dicking around with denials of AGW.

Instead, we have the flat assertion that AGW is preferable to government operated power plants. Do you not get how amazingly fucked up this position is?

In other words, profit is the only God, and all other considerations are to be swept away in favor of private enterprises having the freedom to screw everyone over with little or no government interference.

We have been there and done that (i.e., Laissez Faire capitalism) and it stank on ice when it was tried. Now we know better, economically, and we also face an AGW issue that was not known earlier.

Profit über alles isn’t going to cut it any more.


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