Thursday Night Jam: The Reign of Kindo - Romancing a Stranger (Live Sessions 2013)

I have changed the way I speak to please your ears
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‘Romancing A Stranger’ performed by The Reign of Kindo

Recorded Live with no overdubs.

Joey Secchiaroli - Vocals and Guitar
Danny Pizarro - Piano
Steven Padin - Drum Kit and Percussion
Jeffrey Jarvis - Bass Guitar
Mike Carroll - Percussion
Geraldo Castillo - Percussion
Jay Jennings - Trumpet & Synth
Darren Escar - Tenor Sax
Brian Sanders - Cello
Hannah Levinson - Viola
Carolin Pook - Violin
Frederika Krier - Violin
Julia Adamy - Upright Bass
The Doyle Brothers (Ryan Doyle, Todd Doyle) - Vocals
Stephanie Weatherly - Vocals
Kate Mills - Vocals

Performances mixed by Joey Secchiaroli

Director / Editor: Jon Hoeg
Producer: Ant Gentile

Steadicam Op: Brandon Sumner

Camera Operators:

Derek Sexton Horani
Nicole Januarie
Montana Leonard
Jason Lee
Lenny Emery

Production Assistants:

Chris Gentile
Charles Choice

Romancing A Stranger
I found the roses that I bought her
She threw them on the street
She doesn’t love me
And all the letters that I sent her
She never wrote to say
She’s thinking of me
All the words that I could say
All the looks I sent her way
To make her love me
With one look upon her face
She puts me in my place
She’s high above me
Oh, it’s plain enough to see
She doesn’t love me
Oh, but her love is all I need
Oh my dear
I have changed the way I speak to please your ears
I listen only to the words that you revere
And I’ve renounced the things I love to draw you near
Tell me what else would you change?
What else do you find strange when you think of me?
If you’d give me some more time,
I’ll be made to your design so you can love me
Her jokes, all quite awful,
Still I’m certain to laugh to a strain
I dwell in discomfort
But if she looks my way it’s worth the pain
She may tell me she prefers a cup of tea that I despise
So I’ll choke it down and smile to see approval in her eyes
She may may not like my opinions so in silence they’ll reside
But Godforbid
if she thinks me just a fool
I’ve carefully played this game to an endless despair
If she says jump, I’ll ask how high
Over mountains, through the sky
To the stars and then beyond so she’d be mine
I’ve earned a few smiles, I’ve heard a kind word here and there,
But I must face the morning air,
How pathetic that I’ve cared
For the romance of a stranger’s

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183 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:53:02pm

Not something I enjoy seeing on LGF: A Google Ad by some wingnut group that is pissed at Sen. Mark Kirk for supporting non-discrimination legislation for gay people.

Perhaps we should call such groups “Friends of Russia”, since they seem to take the same tack as Russia’s “anti gay propaganda” law.

2 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:53:36pm

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are watching House of Cards on DVD this week. Damn, but this show is shit hot.

3 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:54:27pm

We have three cats but there is already a clear winner for Problem Child.

Unfortunately he doesn’t seem to understand this and continues to do his best to beat the other two to the top.

*sigh*

4 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:54:34pm

re: #2 austin_blue

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are watching House of Cards on DVD this week. Damn, but this show is shit hot.

They just put Alphas season 2 on as well.

5 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:56:20pm

re: #2 austin_blue

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are watching House of Cards on DVD this week. Damn, but this show is shit hot.

The Mrs. Fish is currently on Glee. She asked what the show was going to do now that Cory is dead. I don’t know, it’s not like I follow pop culture that closely.

6 Stanley Sea  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:59:09pm

KagroX is relentless in these tweets. And I thank him for them.

7 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:59:15pm

re: #5 thedopefishlives

The Mrs. Fish is currently on Glee. She asked what the show was going to do now that Cory is dead. I don’t know, it’s not like I follow pop culture that closely.

Where in the world can they find another semitalented tween actor to replace him?
/

8 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:02:16pm

re: #7 Kragar

Where in the world can they find another semitalented tween actor to replace him?
/

Where tween = 31.

9 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:03:33pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Not something I enjoy seeing on LGF: A Google Ad by some wingnut group that is pissed at Sen. Mark Kirk for supporting non-discrimination legislation for gay people.

Perhaps we should call such groups “Friends of Russia”, since they seem to take the same tack as Russia’s “anti gay propaganda” law.

So often the Google Ads seem to be diametrically opposite the political leanings of the blog. Their algorithm must be pretty simplistic.

10 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:04:18pm

re: #8 klys

Where tween = 31.

In my business, ‘Tween’ is a surfactant.

11 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:05:02pm

re: #9 Mateo Scrounge

So often the Google Ads seem to be diametrically opposite the political leanings of the blog. Their algorithm must be pretty simplistic.

Eh, it’s more like they see certain keywords and serve up everything relevant to that keyword. Whether or not it actually fits the tone of what’s being discussed.

12 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:06:36pm

re: #9 Mateo Scrounge

So often the Google Ads seem to be diametrically opposite the political leanings of the blog. Their algorithm must be pretty simplistic.

True. The ads are keyed to individual users and the system might well figure a “conservative from Illinois” would be hostile to Sen. Kirk’s position. As it happens, though, this conservative isn’t.

BBL

13 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:07:12pm

So instead of taking the current big project on the road trip, I am opting for smaller cross stitch pieces and then crocheting.

In part because when calochortus and I went to the yarn store, I fell in love with this amazing yarn. And then needed an excuse to buy it. And can’t knit very well.

The plan is now to make 6 scarves by Christmas. They had the most amazing scarf pattern and in between working on stuff for the road trip (the car! it is clean! and partially packed!) I stopped by and begged someone to teach me how to read crochet patterns. Because seriously, that shit is in a different language.

I have ~5” done so far of the one for me (which is the first one because I am figuring this out) and the color is AMAZING. I would love to wear clothes made of this yarn. Except they would cost an arm and 5 legs.

14 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:07:38pm

re: #11 thedopefishlives

Eh, it’s more like they see certain keywords and serve up everything relevant to that keyword. Whether or not it actually fits the tone of what’s being discussed.

That would seem to fit the description of a pretty simplistic algorithm.
//

Hey, let’s all randomly insert the word ‘dysfunction’ into our posts and see what shows up.

15 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:08:38pm

re: #10 Mateo Scrounge

In my business, ‘Tween’ is a surfactant.

I worked in the basic research fragrance lab of IFF for a summer. I learned most of what I know about surfactants there.

It is a slight ego boost to work that between your freshman and sophomore years of college and then help interview your replacements with full BS degrees in chemistry.

On the downside, ewwwww, organics.

16 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:09:55pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

True. The ads are keyed to individual users and the system might well figure a “conservative from Illinois” would be hostile to Sen. Kirk’s position. As it happens, though, this conservative isn’t.

BBL

Then why am I getting ads for “Lumo, The Smart Posture and Movement Sensor”? Too much time spent sitting on my ass?

17 Stanley Sea  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:12:31pm
18 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:13:39pm

12th Doctor being announced Sunday.

Hyperventilating begins…now.

19 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:15:31pm

re: #18 ProTARDISLiberal

12th Doctor being announced Sunday.

Hyperventilating begins…now.

Mmmm, Sunday is my birthday.

I like that purpose to the day better.

/

20 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:16:11pm

re: #9 Mateo Scrounge

So often the Google Ads seem to be diametrically opposite the political leanings of the blog. Their algorithms must be pretty simplistic.

they appear to be exceedingly crude at the moment

i fear the day when these algorithms are perfected

21 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:16:26pm

re: #18 ProTARDISLiberal

12th Doctor being announced Sunday.

Hyperventilating begins…now.

Matt Berry.

22 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:16:56pm

re: #21 Kragar

Matt Berry.

WILLIAM SHATNER.

23 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:17:23pm

re: #20 engineer cat

they appear to be exceedingly crude at the moment

i fear the day when these algorithms are perfected

Minority Report.

24 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:17:26pm

re: #19 klys

I’m gonna miss Matt so hard. :’(

But, I will have an open mind.

ALEXANDER SIDDIG!

25 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:19:56pm

re: #22 klys

WILLIAM SHATNER.

Let’s see. The Doctor has to be human-ISH, but with a certain alien-ness about him. Always wears the same thing. Often an off-beat sense of humor, and doesn’t get romantically involved with his companions.

I’ve got it!!!

26 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:20:40pm

re: #24 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m gonna miss Matt so hard. :’(

But, I will have an open mind.

ALEXANDER SIDDIG!

I have no real dog in this race because I am about as allergic to TV with a plot as anything (I watch Mythbusters, this is pretty much it). And also suspense makes me itchy and want to leave the room.

It’s a wonder my husband puts up with me sometimes.

27 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:20:44pm

re: #25 Mateo Scrounge

Let’s see. The doctor has to be human-ISH, but with a certain alien-ness about him. Always wears the same thing. Often an off-beat sense of humor, and doesn’t get romantically involved with his companions.

I’ve got it!!!

Yeah, that just made a whole bunch of sci-fi nerd heads asplode.

28 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:20:46pm
29 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:23:46pm

Testing the waters:

Gov. Bobby Jindal heads to Iowa

Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.) is going to Iowa on Saturday.

The potential 2016 presidential candidate will attend Bruce Rastetter’s annual summer party, a source tells POLITICO, a hot ticket on the Hawkeye State political calendar.

Rastetter, a hog and ethanol baron, is a major GOP donor and his event brings together an important network of caucus players. He will be one of the big gets for anyone who seeks the GOP nod.

Jindal, the chairman of the Republican Governors Association, was invited by Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad. He will attend an event in support of Branstad, who is running for reelection in 2014, at Rastetter’s home before the party.

Ratsetter seems to be the big cheese in Iowa. From over two years ago, when the 2012 election was forming, a quick review of Ratsetter:

wcfcourier.com

Not only did Rastetter’s donations buy him a seat on the board of regents, he wound up being President of the board. He’s also generated controversy about his influence squelching dissenters and thus concerns over academic freedom. The DSM Register has an index of blog entries about him:
blogs.desmoinesregister.com

Rastetter does not appear to be the religious fanatic that VanderPlaats is. Rather, Rastetter is BigAg in capital letters, and has suckled at the ethanol teat of government handouts.

Who would have guessed that politics is about rich men getting their way?

30 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:23:50pm

re: #27 thedopefishlives

Yeah, that just made a whole bunch of sci-fi nerd heads asplode.

Chairy and Jambi would look great in the Tardis, and Pterry could perch on top of the center console.

31 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:23:53pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Not something I enjoy seeing on LGF: A Google Ad by some wingnut group that is pissed at Sen. Mark Kirk for supporting non-discrimination legislation for gay people.

Perhaps we should call such groups “Friends of Russia”, since they seem to take the same tack as Russia’s “anti gay propaganda” law.

When you vote for the Republican Party, you’re supporting ads like these.

32 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:24:53pm

DERP

33 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:25:53pm

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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It’s early yet.

34 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:28:15pm

re: #25 Mateo Scrounge

This is where I differ. I don’t mind if the Doctor has romantic entanglements, but they a) have to make sense/have a progression of relationship shown, and b) be shown as be some sort of intellectual competition for the Doctor and be able to put him in his place.

Unfortunately, in the new series, everyone has fallen into one or the other categories, but not both. Until the most recent one.

Besides, Romance and Love is a very human condition. Handwaving it away/ ignoring it leads to very dry sci-fi, that is more about the sci-fi than the humanity. And we have enough of those already. Romance in Doctor Who, be free!

35 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:28:39pm

re: #30 Mateo Scrounge

Not as good as Siddig though.

36 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:30:08pm

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Says the man who has absolutely no idea what it’s like in Russia. Man, I wish Sergey were around to put him in his place.

37 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:30:50pm

re: #36 thedopefishlives

Says the man who has absolutely no idea what it’s like in Russia. Man, I wish Sergey were around to put him in his place.

Life in Russia can be very pleasant if you’re an oligarch.

If you’re not an oligarch, Russia sucks.

38 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:32:48pm

Wingnuts keep derping this shit:


Now what would they do if I Tweeted this picture and said RT if you are OUTRAGED that the NRA is blocking background checks for gun purchases!

39 Stanley Sea  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:34:41pm

re: #24 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m gonna miss Matt so hard. :’(

But, I will have an open mind.

ALEXANDER SIDDIG!

Benedict Cumberbatch!

40 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:36:05pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Benedict Cumberbatch!

Last I heard, he was already doing another season of Sherlock

41 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:36:35pm

re: #38 Vicious Babushka

That picture is just as heart-breaking. A coffin that small means so many dreams extinguished, 1st times that will never be had, an infinity of things that could have been. 20 of them.

42 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:37:05pm

re: #34 ProTARDISLiberal

This is where I differ. I don’t mind if the Doctor has romantic entanglements, but they a) have to make sense/have a progression of relationship shown, and b) be shown as be some sort of intellectual competition for the Doctor and be able to put him in his place.

Unfortunately, in the new series, everyone has fallen into one or the other categories, but not both. Until the most recent one.

Besides, Romance and Love is a very human condition. Handwaving it away/ ignoring it leads to very dry sci-fi, that is more about the sci-fi than the humanity. And we have enough of those already. Romance in Doctor Who, be free!

The relationships with companions tend to be fatherly or avuncular, where the Doctor is always an authority figure. I think him getting romantically involved would border on creepy, in addition to messing with the Canon. But there’s often some degree of tension, which IIRC Amy Pond brought out in the open, hence the Doctors sudden mad dash to pick up Rory.

OTOH, one of the 4th Doctors companions was another Time Lord (Time Lady?), so there was less of the fatherly/avuncular/not-the-same-species issue.

43 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:38:02pm

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

One Day in the Life of Edward Snowdinovitch.

44 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:38:07pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Benedict Cumberbatch!

Only if he does the creepy voice from Into Darkness.

45 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:38:24pm

I hate the “comment is too long” pop up box.

46 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:39:04pm

I am in facepalm mode over a science story today, which was prompted by two papers published in Science, the press release claim itself is erroneous (as some bloggers have pointed out) but even more so the popular reporting is, and I know this is not unique, just plain bad.

Bloomberg:

Adam Roamed With Eve as Male Ancestor Older Than Presumed

“Adam,” humankind’s most-common male ancestor, is from an older era than once thought, living about the same time as genetic “Eve,” a study found.

Using the complete strand of DNA that determines male sex, researchers have determined that Y Chromosome Adam lived 120,000 to 156,000 years ago, overlapping with Mitochondrial Eve, who probably lived 99,000 to 148,000 years ago, according to a paper published today in the journal Science. Researchers previously thought Adam lived 50,000 to 150,000 years ago.

[…]

One of the most stupid and backward steps in science communication was using the names “Adam” and “Eve” for the most recent common male ancestor FOR THE Y CHROMOSOME for all humans and the most recent common female ancestor FOR THE MITOCHONDRIA for all humans.

Down buried in the article is this:

Despite the Adam and Eve nicknames, the two most likely didn’t coexist, Bustamante said. There were other people around when Adam and Eve were alive; these two were simply the most successful at producing surviving offspring.

Even that is misleading, as stating they were the “most successful at producing” is misleading because “most successful” doesn’t mean what most people will think it means, and the individual involved wasn’t actually responsible for the passing on of genes hundreds of generations downstream.

This story has sprung from this paper:

Sequencing Y Chromosomes Resolves Discrepancy in Time to Common Ancestor of Males Versus Females

The Y chromosome and the mitochondrial genome have been used to estimate when the common patrilineal and matrilineal ancestors of humans lived. We sequenced the genomes of 69 males from nine populations, including two in which we find basal branches of the Y-chromosome tree. We identify ancient phylogenetic structure within African haplogroups and resolve a long-standing ambiguity deep within the tree. Applying equivalent methodologies to the Y chromosome and the mitochondrial genome, we estimate the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of the Y chromosome to be 120 to 156 thousand years and the mitochondrial genome TMRCA to be 99 to 148 thousand years. Our findings suggest that, contrary to previous claims, male lineages do not coalesce significantly more recently than female lineages.

[continued…]

47 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:40:02pm

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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48 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:40:34pm

I just octupled the maximum comment size.

49 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:40:37pm
50 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:41:13pm

Copy.

51 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:42:58pm

The folks who run Medium probably had a real roller coaster ride today.

52 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:43:15pm

re: #46 freetoken

Gotta love the presentation of Scientific findings in the popular press, huh?

Creationists declare victory in 3…2…1…

53 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:43:41pm

re: #42 Mateo Scrounge

See, the Doctor being in charge is something that has begun to go away. Clara saved his live far more than the other way around, and the companions smack his bullshit down more often. The power differential is there, but it has gotten way, way smaller. Not only that, but NuWho is a distinctly romantic animal. Though the show has always been about the triumph of intelligence and romance over brute force and cynicism.

Hell, the potato-esque Sontaran Strax expressed displeasure at his fatalistic attitude during the Snowman, and Vastra and Jenny were looking for an opportunity to smack him out of it. And there aren’t any Time Lords left. There is an unrealistic thing among the less human of fans who don’t understand this. Not only that, but the Doctor has really gone native, for lack of a better term.

54 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:44:35pm

[continued]

But also in the same publication:

Low-Pass DNA Sequencing of 1200 Sardinians Reconstructs European Y-Chromosome Phylogeny

Genetic variation within the male-specific portion of the Y chromosome (MSY) can clarify the origins of contemporary populations, but previous studies were hampered by partial genetic information. Population sequencing of 1204 Sardinian males identified 11,763 MSY single-nucleotide polymorphisms, 6751 of which have not previously been observed. We constructed a MSY phylogenetic tree containing all main haplogroups found in Europe, along with many Sardinian-specific lineage clusters within each haplogroup. The tree was calibrated with archaeological data from the initial expansion of the Sardinian population ~7700 years ago. The ages of nodes highlight different genetic strata in Sardinia and reveal the presumptive timing of coalescence with other human populations. We calculate a putative age for coalescence of ~180,000 to 200,000 years ago, which is consistent with previous mitochondrial DNA–based estimates.

However, not long ago another clade of Y was discovered for the root, the so called A00, found in an African American and there is now a search in west Africa for others. This deeper root for the common Y already pushed back the most recent common Y ancestor to 200,000 years or so and has spawned a new search for a better way of looking at ancient admixture within AFrica.

Anyway, the popular press need their “Adam” and “Eve” because that sells. Conceptually these evolutionary genetics ideas are already difficult to understand and to communicate, but when throwing in hyper-loaded terminology from religion the whole enterprise becomes an exercise in firefighting.

And, we all have common ancestors much more recent than these two ancestors - much more recent.

55 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:45:12pm
56 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:45:34pm

re: #55 Gus

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Quelle surprise.

57 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:46:47pm

re: #56 Mateo Scrounge

Quelle surprise.

Number 1 most viewed.

58 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:47:21pm

re: #55 Gus

“The joint terrorism task force did not press Catalano’s husband on the dilemma facing liberals over whether quinoa consumption is ethically sound - many Bolivians can no longer afford their staple food now everyone in Brooklyn is eating it.”

59 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:48:36pm

Someone is on a downding rampage. It’s impressive.

60 Stanley Sea  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:48:51pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Only if he does the creepy voice from Into Darkness.

Really, I just know the dude from his sexiness.

61 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:48:53pm

re: #58 jaunte

“The joint terrorism task force did not press Catalano’s husband on the dilemma facing liberals over whether quinoa consumption is ethically sound - many Bolivians can no longer afford their staple food now everyone in Brooklyn is eating it.”

Settler Colonial //

62 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:49:28pm

re: #59 klys

Someone is on a downding rampage. It’s impressive.

Nasruddin?

63 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:49:30pm

Hello Lizards!

Yosemite.

[GeorgeTakei]
Oh my!
[/GeorgeTakei]

64 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:49:50pm

Brooklyn liberals sigh in relief, finally having an excuse to stop buying quinoa.

65 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:49:50pm

re: #57 Gus

Number 1 most viewed.

Quelle surprise, part 2.

“The NSA sent the FBI to raid my house after I googled pressure cookers!!!” is a much sexier, more preferred-narrative-following than “The Suffolk County Police visited after my husband’s ex-employer shared suggestive items from his work computer’s search history”.

66 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:49:55pm

re: #62 Gus

Nasruddin?

Yep. Quite a quiet little hatchling, and yet so violent…

67 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:51:25pm

And all is quiet, once again…

(Thanks Charles!)

68 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:51:27pm

re: #59 klys

Not any more.

69 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:51:27pm

re: #64 jaunte

Brooklyn liberals sigh in relief, finally having an excuse to stop buying quinoa.

“Wonder grain”, my ass. You’ll wonder what you were thinking when you bought 5 lbs of it.

70 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:51:38pm

Here’s an important point missing from so many of these stories about “Adam” and “Eve” - by putting the most recent common ancestor FOR THE Y CHROMOSOME for ALL humans (well, males) back to 200,000 year we are talking about a “human” who pre-dates our modern selves.

Yes, that’s right, that person carrying that Y chromosome would probably not be though of as a modern Homo sapiens sapiens.

And with known admixture between different groups of the genus Homo, there is no reason to believe that the most recent female carrier of the mitochondria ancestor to all our mitochondria would be necessarily placed in the same species (or sup-species) as that Y chromosome carrier.

This is so far from the concept of “Adam” and “Eve” that exist in the popular imagination that using these two names is highly misleading.

71 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:51:56pm

re: #69 Mateo Scrounge

“Wonder grain”, my ass. You’ll wonder what you were thinking when you bought 5 lbs of it.

I much prefer couscous.

Cooks a hell of a lot faster.

72 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:52:12pm

re: #65 Mateo Scrounge

Quelle surprise, part 2.

“The NSA sent the FBI to raid my house after I googled pressure cookers!!!” is a much sexier, more preferred-narrative-following than “The Suffolk County Police visited after my husband’s ex-employer shared suggestive items from his work computer’s search history”.

Like I said earlier on Twitter. Millions of people were Googling that when the bombing in Boston occurred. Even I searched it. If LE had to check on everyone that searched for “pressure cooker bombas” they’d be bust for the next 100 years. Notice how I’m paranoid now and used the word bombas instead of bombs. :D

73 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:53:55pm

re: #13 klys

For any other crochet-inclined Lizards, the pattern is here and free! I am doing it in Ella Ray’s lace merino.

This is why the scarves are Christmas presents.

74 Carlos Dangler  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:54:23pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

I just octupled the maximum comment size.

Beware the Great Walls of Text to come…

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75 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:55:19pm

re: #74 Carlos Dangler

Beware the Great Walls of Text to come…

At 32,000 characters I might write a novella.

76 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:56:05pm

re: #72 Gus

Like I said earlier on Twitter. Millions of people were Googling that when the bombing in Boston occurred. Even I searched it. If LE had to check on everyone that searched for “pressure cooker bombas” they’d be bust for the next 100 years. Notice how I’m paranoid now and used the word bombas instead of bombs. :D

Yeah, but now Carnivore, or Omnivore, or Piscivore, or whatever will have to look for words within words. If you say “Alton Brown’s praise of pressure cookers bordered on the bombastic”, you’ll get dinged for ‘pressure cooker’, ‘bomb’, ‘border’, and probably ‘Brown’.
//

77 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:59:29pm

Off topic. But do any LA-area Lizards have advice regarding traffic? I’ll be coming south tomorrow from the Fresno area during the afternoon. I need to pick a place to stay tomorrow night with plans to hop over to Long Beach before heading out.

So, how far down into the LA area can I come in the afternoon before I risk getting massively caught in traffic?

And how easily can I get from a point north or east of LA over to Long Beach on Saturday morning?

78 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:59:30pm
79 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:00:13pm

re: #75 freetoken

At 32,000 characters I might write a novella.

‘32,000 characters’ would describe the population of central berkeley

80 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:00:24pm

re: #77 Feline Fearless Leader

I am not an LA area Lizard so can’t offer specific advice, except that LA area traffic makes me cry.

And maybe you should change travel reservations to fly out of SFO.

/half

81 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:02:14pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

My favorite description of childbirth relates to this:

82 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:02:26pm

re: #80 klys

I am not an LA area Lizard so can’t offer specific advice, except that LA area traffic makes me cry.

And maybe you should change travel reservations to fly out of SFO.

/half

Can’t get rid of it since you have to have I-405 still in use so that a volcanic eruption can bury it suddenly in ash to leave an intact deposit of our current culture for future archeologists to find and study.
/

83 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:02:38pm

re: #80 klys

I am not an LA area Lizard so can’t offer specific advice, except that LA area traffic makes me cry.

And maybe you should change travel reservations to fly out of SFO.

/half

I am flying into LAX on New Year’s Eve.

84 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:03:02pm

Reducto: Every conversation is scanned for key words. Here, give me your phone, I’ll show you.

Harvey: Umm…

Reducto: Hello. Mail bomb.

Harvey: Uh, heh… um…

Reducto: Assassination.

Harvey: Hey, can I have that back? I just remembered…

Reducto: Fertilizer.

Harvey: …I’m almost out of minutes.

Reducto: Same-sex marriages. Patagonia. Nader for President.

Harvey: See, nothing happened. Nobody’s monitoring these things!

Phil: Huh, I always took Reducto for a libertarian.

85 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:03:10pm

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

I am flying into LAX on New Year’s Eve.

Our plans for New Year’s Eve this year involve Tokyo.

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:04:08pm

re: #85 klys

Our plans for New Year’s Eve this year involve Tokyo.

Hope Godzilla and the other monsters don’t have similar plans.
//

87 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:05:33pm

re: #86 Feline Fearless Leader

Hope Godzilla and the other monsters don’t have similar plans.
//

If they do, I’m ok with that.

Husband has always wanted to do New Year’s in Japan and never has, despite living there for 2.5 years. So we’re making it happen this year, along with my best friend.

The nasty bit is going to be plane tickets, because we will be leaving from the East Coast but coming home to the West coast…

88 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:05:51pm
89 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:07:49pm

re: #87 klys

If they do, I’m ok with that.

Husband has always wanted to do New Year’s in Japan and never has, despite living there for 2.5 years. So we’re making it happen this year, along with my best friend.

The nasty bit is going to be plane tickets, because we will be leaving from the East Coast but coming home to the West coast…

Do airlines still get pissy if you book round trips and then “forget” to take a leg on the return? Luggage recovery would probably be the issue.

90 Stanley Sea  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:09:06pm

re: #82 Feline Fearless Leader

Can’t get rid of it since you have to have I-405 still in use so that a volcanic eruption can bury it suddenly in ash to leave an intact deposit of our current culture for future archeologists to find and study.
/

You need to find RWC or Charles, actually.

91 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:09:46pm

re: #89 Feline Fearless Leader

Do airlines still get pissy if you book round trips and then “forget” to take a leg on the return? Luggage recovery would probably be the issue.

Open-jaw still tends to be doable. We’ll probably do Southwest to NC, and then from NC to NJ, and then United from NJ to Tokyo (which means likely Narita this time). United back could mean SFO but he absolutely hates customs there so might suggest that we route through LAX on the way back. I am more ambivalent probably because it wasn’t bad the last time.

Last trip we flew into Haneda which was really nice, but I don’t know if that’s doable from NJ.

92 calochortus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:10:13pm

re: #87 klys

Ultimately you’ll be making a complete round trip, won’t you? West coast to East coast to Japan to West coast. I’m guessing it will be a huge PITA, but do-able.

93 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:11:38pm

re: #92 calochortus

Ultimately you’ll be making a complete round trip, won’t you? West coast to East coast to Japan to West coast. I’m guessing it will be a huge PITA, but do-able.

The downside is we are probably doing different airlines for different legs. Southwest is our preferred domestic carrier these days. Internationally we have less of a preference.

94 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:11:44pm

Endorsement bombing - Finally…something fun to do with LinkedIn.

Image: 1000898_460514624054478_1548693192_n.jpg

95 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:12:13pm

removed because of autoplay

96 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:13:09pm

re: #95 Vicious Babushka

That started autoplaying in two tabs and I couldn’t figure out why the sound kept going when I paused it in one…

97 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:13:40pm

re: #88 Gus

It was a good interview. And I liked his comment that Snowden isn’t in his own driver’s seat…Wikileaks is. That caught Chris Hayes off-guard, and now he’ll have Glenn Greenwald begging to come back on his show and give a rebuttal. That’s when Hayes needs to ask Glenn what his relationship to Wikileaks is…

98 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:13:50pm

re: #96 klys

That started autoplaying in two tabs and I couldn’t figure out why the sound kept going when I paused it in one…

Yeah it started playing on this thread and also in the Spy tab.

Gah.

99 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:15:31pm

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

Yeah it started playing on this thread and also in the Spy tab.

Gah.

I was like, “BUT IT’S PAUSED!!! WHY?????”

100 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:15:39pm

Note to self: do not post anymore Stephen Colbert tweets.

101 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:18:29pm

re: #88 Gus

Hayes and the woman from HRW sort of rolled right by Schindler’s comment that “Venezuela seemed to want” to host Snowden, while they strongly suggested that Russia was his only choice.

102 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:18:38pm

re: #22 klys

WILLIAM SHATNER.

Johnny Depp.

103 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:18:54pm

Yikes I can’t stand the far-left.

104 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:19:15pm

Yet another little bit of science miscommunication today, though in this case I’m being a bit more pedant:

If beer or blue cheese smell good to you, thank your DNA

We all smell things a little differently, and new research shows why: By examining the DNA of hundreds of individuals and testing their sense of smell, scientists found the genetic basis for why we smell certain scents.

[…]

Here’s the picture the LA Times is running with the story, with the following caption:

New research pinpointed the exact mutation that allows you to smell violets. The genetic basis for smelling malt, apples and blue cheese was also discovered. (Don Bartletti / Los Angeles Times)

Only one problem - the picture is not of a “violet”, but of a saintpaulia, commonly referred to as an “African Violet” but is not a member of the Violaceae family of plants, which is the “violet” referenced in the actual research, as some of the Violaceae do give off beta-Ionone.

BTW, I can’t stand the smell of either beer or blue cheese.

The research in question:

A Mendelian Trait for Olfactory Sensitivity Affects Odor Experience and Food Selection

Genome-wide and in vitro assays demonstrate rs6591536 as the causal variant for β-ionone odor sensitivity. rs6591536 encodes a N183D substitution in the second extracellular loop of OR5A1 and explains >96% of the observed phenotypic variation, resembling a monogenic Mendelian trait. Individuals carrying genotypes for β-ionone sensitivity can more easily differentiate between food and beverage stimuli with and without added β-ionone. Sensitive individuals typically describe β-ionone in foods and beverages as “fragrant” and “floral,” whereas less-sensitive individuals describe these stimuli differently. rs6591536 genotype also influences emotional associations and explains differences in food and product choices. These studies demonstrate that an OR variant that influences olfactory sensitivity can affect how people experience and respond to foods, beverages, and other products.

105 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:21:06pm

re: #103 Gus

Yikes I can’t stand the far-left.

I figure that is what makes me, despite all my relatively socialist leanings, not on the far left. Because I agree.

On the plus side, I seem to fit in fine here.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:21:09pm

Off to soak my scales in the pool. Back in a while.

:)

107 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:21:43pm

O’Reilly Claims Peer Pressure, Not Contraceptives, Will Prevent Teen Pregnancy

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

108 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:23:08pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

“It Has Nothing To Do With Sex, It Has To Do With Getting Pregnant”

Can’t we get some old-fashioned slut-shaming going here?

109 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:23:20pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

O’Reilly Claims Peer Pressure, Not Contraceptives, Will Prevent Teen Pregnancy

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Funny, I was always sure that peer pressure caused teen pregnancy.

110 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:23:28pm

Okay, may want to expand search outside of Colorado.

111 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:27:56pm

I suppose they’re in the business of collecting a lot of personal information.

112 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:28:07pm

So O’Reilly’s “solution” to teen pregnancy is to spend federal money to go to schools, to teen girls, and tell them “Don’t have sex!” Let’s ask Texas how well that has worked as a strategy.

113 calochortus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:28:25pm

re: #93 klys

The downside is we are probably doing different airlines for different legs. Southwest is our preferred domestic carrier these days. Internationally we have less of a preference.

You just want to make it as tough as possible, don’t you?

114 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:29:05pm

re: #113 calochortus

You just want to make it as tough as possible, don’t you?

Generally, yes.

I’d say this was sarcasm but I did a coursework masters in a different discipline at the same time as my Ph.D., so…

115 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:30:09pm

re: #113 calochortus

You just want to make it as tough as possible, don’t you?

Also, when all the travel is done, you are going to have to see my (hopefully plural at that point) scarf! It looks AWESOME.

I figured since I was doing for my mom and one sister I needed to also do for my other sister and my mother-in-law.

116 Carlos Dangler  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:30:27pm

re: #111 jaunte

I suppose they’re in the business of collecting a lot of personal information.

And, in keeping with the quickening of anti-gay sentiments in Russia as of late, Snowden’s new employer just, more or less, gave a big “fuck you” to their gay customers/members.

117 calochortus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:32:17pm

re: #115 klys

Also, when all the travel is done, you are going to have to see my (hopefully plural at that point) scarf! It looks AWESOME.

I figured since I was doing for my mom and one sister I needed to also do for my other sister and my mother-in-law.

Yes, I really do want to see it. Many, many years ago I made an afghan with a similar crochet stitch. Since it was just shades of blue and done in acrylic, it was not awesome, but I see where there might be distinct possibilities.

118 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:32:29pm
119 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:33:11pm

The next 63.5 hours are gonna be tough.

120 calochortus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:34:41pm

Meanwhile, I’m working hard at getting all my digital photos in one place, organized and labelled. In some ways, I long for the days of throwing out the really bad photos, writing stuff on the backs of the rest and putting them in an album or file. It’s way too easy to accumulate a lot of photos and end up with duplicates and 10 different places where you put them, etc.

121 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:34:46pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

O’Reilly: “It Has Nothing To Do With Sex, It Has To Do With Getting Pregnant”

Um Bill, we need to have a talk.

122 calochortus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:35:31pm

re: #121 Kragar

O’Reilly: “It Has Nothing To Do With Sex, It Has To Do With Getting Pregnant”

Um Bill, we need to have a talk.

About contraception?

123 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:36:08pm

re: #122 calochortus

About contraception?

About how ladies get pregnant.

124 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:36:39pm

re: #123 Kragar

About how ladies get pregnant.

Perhaps he still believes in the stork.

125 bratwurst  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:37:14pm

If you’re not watching the “Our Nixon” documentary on CNN, I can highly recommend catching one of the many upcoming rebroadcasts. It is nothing but home movies, mostly by H.R. “Bob” Haldeman, with audio taken from various interviews with Haldeman and John Ehrlichman done mostly around the late 70s (both died in the 90s), as well as Dwight Chapin…the only one of these criminals still alive today. There is also some pretty amazing period news clips and excerpts from the Nixon tapes themselves. It mostly makes for compelling viewing.

126 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:39:11pm

re: #124 Targetpractice

Perhaps he still believes in the stork.

“The stork comes in and the baby shows up. You can’t explain that.”

127 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:41:11pm

re: #117 calochortus

Yes, I really do want to see it. Many, many years ago I made an afghan with a similar crochet stitch. Since it was just shades of blue and done in acrylic, it was not awesome, but I see where there might be distinct possibilities.

I will say, finding your e-mail address was tricky because my normal search term methods don’t work! Gah.

128 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:44:02pm

re: #88 Gus

From Diana PoKempner, HRW, who was on that Chris Hayes clip:

“The Ethics of Large Data Leaks”

“…Next, large data sets are hard to handle responsibly. They require large resources to review, analyze and redact, as my organisation, Human Rights Watch, has discovered when it secured troves in Kurdistan, Chad and Libya. WikiLeaks appropriately went to major newspapers that could muster the resources to handle it well. Yet it is governments and intelligence services that have the most resources to analyze and mine large data sets (and correlate information to other intelligence), making it all the more important for those who publish whistleblowing to try to protect individuals at risk.

Not everything is worth the effort of publishing in a responsible way. Newspapers know this, because they have to pay for newsprint. But there is a moral economy as well, where the more attenuated the public’s interest, the more other values and goals might weigh against exposure. Most researching professions, to ensure their moral legitimacy, aim not only to increase knowledge but to protect human security, privacy, and dignity. Sometimes preserving rather than uploading can be a reasonable alternative.

Finally, we should strive to create a culture of ethical transparency, because without an ethical underpinning, it will be difficult to resist growing efforts to tighten up laws that punish leaks. Part of that is cultivating some modesty about our ability to fortell the full consequences of either exposure or concealment, and a willingness to be responsible for decisions either way.
blog.indexoncensorship.org

Looking for some sense and consistency here, but I can’t find it.

129 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:47:45pm

re: #128 jaunte

From Diana PoKempner, HRW, who was on that Chris Hayes clip:

“The Ethics of Large Data Leaks”

Looking for some sense and consistency here, but I can’t find it.

Upon a cursory glance neither can I. Let’s form a drum circle and figure this out. Perhaps, a mic check.

130 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:47:58pm

“A willingness to be responsible” unless it looks hard.

131 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:48:56pm

But hey, “Not everything is worth the effort of publishing in a responsible way,” so just dump it all.

132 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:49:42pm

“The Ethics of Large Data Leaks”

Don’t ever do it.

133 calochortus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:52:41pm

re: #127 klys

And I have responded to your email

134 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:53:23pm
135 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:57:20pm

re: #115 klys

Also, when all the travel is done, you are going to have to see my (hopefully plural at that point) scarf! It looks AWESOME.

I figured since I was doing for my mom and one sister I needed to also do for my other sister and my mother-in-law.

If you get them tangled in the proper complicated knot do you get a scarf-king?

136 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:59:43pm

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

If you get them tangled in the proper complicated knot do you get a scarf-king?

It’s really funny, because all crochet (or knitting) really is is a bunch of loops intertwined in the proper order. So if you pulled it all tight you’d get a proper knot.

If I evolve it properly, perhaps….

/Pokemon reference

137 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:00:38pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Benedict Cumberbatch!

Simon Pegg!

138 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:04:47pm
139 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:07:02pm

Ok, the mail arriving addressed to Dr. klys hasn’t gotten old yet.

140 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:08:10pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

And what is Sen. Kirk? Chopped liver?

141 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:12:33pm

re: #138 darthstar

Love that soundtrack.

142 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:14:06pm

At risk of showing how deep I have gotten, I’m hoping the next Doctor will come into the role like Tennant, and continue Whouffle.

143 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:14:10pm

re: #138 darthstar

When I first saw that film I freaked at how authentic the whole safe/diamond wallet stuff was. Just as for real.

144 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:26:52pm

And I killed the thread.

145 calochortus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:28:35pm

re: #144 ProTARDISLiberal

Don’t worry, it happens to us all occasionally.

However, I’m about computered-out for the evening. Hasta Mañana.

146 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:28:43pm

re: #144 ProTARDISLiberal

And I killed the thread.

Pfft, husband got home, I needed to prove I didn’t do nothing all day.

//

147 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:34:06pm

re: #144 ProTARDISLiberal

And I killed the thread.

Well, maybe this’ll bring it back for you:

Dhaka, Bangladesh (CNN) — Bangladesh’s high court has declared the registration of the country’s largest Islamist party, the Jamaat-e-Islami, illegal.

Jamaat is one of two main opposition parties and a constant thorn in the side of the ruling Awami League.

With the declaration, Jamaat will not be able to take part in the country’s upcoming general election — certainly welcome news to Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.

But such a ruling can also reignite a fresh round of political unrest in the South Asian nation.

Drumbeat gets louder

Jaamat enjoys considerable support, particularly in rural areas. And periodically, it will summon the masses to swarm the capital city, Dhaka, as a reminder.

But in recent months, the drumbeat to ban Jamaat has gotten louder, especially from progressive groups that point to the party’s role during Bangladesh’s struggle for independence in the early 1970s.

Between one million and 3 million people were killed in the nine-month war.

In 2010, Bangladesh set up a court that it called the International Crimes Tribunal to bring to justice those it accused in the massacre.

Among those the court has convicted of crimes against humanity are several top Jamaat leaders.

148 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:35:11pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

And what is Sen. Kirk? Chopped liver?

It can’t escape you that Kirk and Portman are the extreme outliers in a party otherwise entirely characterized by abject bigotry. In any event, it seems rather disingenuous to point to them as proof of some glimmer of good in the GOP while also supporting and voting for prejudiced douchebags like Mitt Romney at the national level.

149 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:39:38pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

That makes me happy to see. Now we will see their true colours tomorrow.

150 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:41:48pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

Kirk has sens McCain and Graham as allies and Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R, NH) is looking good as is Sen. Rubio. I have faith, Frank.

151 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:51:39pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Kirk has sens McCain and Graham as allies and Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R, NH) is looking good as is Sen. Rubio. I have faith, Frank.

They’re exceptions, not the rule.

152 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:52:09pm

Glenn Beck DERPs at Diane Sawyer:

Outspoken conservative pundit Glenn Beck railed on ABC News veteran Diane Sawyer in a stream of consciousness rant on Wednesday.

The 49-year-old former Fox News host opened up about the 67-year-old anchor of ABC World News during his radio show.

Beck used colourful language to say he was Sawyer’s minion when he joined her as a commentator in 2007 on ABC’s Good Morning America.

SNIP

Beck said Sawyer cut off all contact with him and he blamed pressure from the Council on American-Islamic Relations for their rift.

He then described a later encounter and insulted Sawyer.

‘Finally, about eight months later, she has lunch with me, and she becomes the biggest bigot I’ve ever seen in my life,’ Beck said.

The controversial firebrand never elaborated on why he called Sawyer a bigot.

When someone this crazy fixates on a woman it is a very dangerous situation.

153 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:53:23pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Kirk has sens McCain and Graham as allies and Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R, NH) is looking good as is Sen. Rubio. I have faith, Frank.

Rubio is a bigot:

Rubio Says It Should Be Legal To Fire Someone For Being Gay

I haven’t read the legislation. By and large I think all Americans should be protected but I’m not for any special protections based on orientation.

And a weaselly one, at that.

154 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:58:02pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Kirk has sens McCain and Graham as allies and Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R, NH) is looking good as is Sen. Rubio. I have faith, Frank.

McCain, Graham, Ayotte and Rubio are all bigots though, which just proves the point that there zero in the way of principle involved. It all just goes to show that the issue of people’s lives and rights mean absolutely zero to you, it’s all a game. Instead we’re left with some intellectually gutshot assessment that Mark Kirk provides a thin fig leaf of credibility for his faction, a modestly pragmatic minority wing of soul cancer ridden establishment hacks in a party of nutjobs, where bigotry is enshrined into the basic platform.

155 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:58:52pm

re: #153 Interesting Times

Rubio is a bigot:

Rubio Says It Should Be Legal To Fire Someone For Being Gay

I haven’t read the legislation. By and large I think all Americans should be protected but I’m not for any special protections based on orientation.

And a weaselly one, at that.

Rubio’s another one of those who got into Congress because he happened to run in ‘10, aka The Great Lemming Migration. But this seems to be self-correcting, as there’s a lot of bad vibes building in Florida to kick his ass from office, including two separate (and unconstitutional) efforts to have him recalled from office. That he’s grabbing for whatever piece of driftwood floats by is indicative of a career in tailspin.

156 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:01:23pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

It’s three years till the next election and his work on immigration is intended to latch down the ‘Caribbean Latino’ votes that will give him the margin to fend off any primary challenge.

157 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:04:09pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

It’s three years till the next election and his work on immigration is intended to latch down the ‘Caribbean Latino’ votes that will give him the margin to fend off any primary challenge.

And instead fueling the angry racist vote, while his own party’s leadership is too fucking spineless to put the bill he helped craft and secure passage for through the Senate to a vote on the House floor for fear that it will incense the angry racist vote far enough to see every single one of them primaried out of office. So he’s pissed off his own party’s base without any guarantee of a payoff.

158 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:05:34pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Dark, I know we disagree on a lot of things and I do try to give you a lot of credit because I know your votes (or not votes) are based on your individual principles.

I think the point where we separate is I refuse to weight my tax bill (and yes, we float in and out of that mythical 1% tax bracket depending on bonuses and where the line is drawn, thanks Bay Area and no dependents) based on refusing to allow someone else the rights that I enjoy (or, you know, allowing male lawmakers access to my uterus).

I think you would find that these days, the Democrat tent is the bigger one. There’s a bunch of us willing to listen to sensible financial policy …but not willing to sacrifice someone else’s rights on the altar of it.

159 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:06:56pm

Republicans have probably become more anti gay in the last 10 years, which is really saying something considering Bush, for reals, campaigned on an actual amendment to the constitution.

The Democrats, however, have totally come around on the position and the Republicans are the only thing holding back gay equality. Even non-insane candidates like Huntsman couldn’t find the courage to talk down the mob at the debates.

160 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:07:54pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

And instead fueling the angry racist vote, while his own party’s leadership is too fucking spineless to put the bill he helped craft and secure passage for through the Senate to a vote on the House floor for fear that it will incense the angry racist vote far enough to see every single one of them primaried out of office. So he’s pissed off his own party’s base without any guarantee of a payoff.

He has to take risks. The white vote isn’t enough to carry Florida anymore, and Florida Republicans need to accept that. They can either make their peace with Cubans Dominicans and Puerto Ricans, or they can lose the state. Forcing that sort of change means making enemies without a guarantee of victory. but Adm. Nelson had it right: “He who will not risk cannot win.”

161 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:09:10pm

re: #159 Carlos Danger

Republicans have probably become more anti gay in the last 10 years, which is really saying something considering Bush, for reals, campaigned on an actual amendment to the constitution.

The Democrats, however, have totally come around on the position and the Republicans are the only thing holding back gay equality. Even non-insane candidates like Huntsman couldn’t find the courage to talk down the mob at the debates.

If you ever wanted an example of how much thinks changed in politics post ‘08, you only needed to watch the GOP debates last year. Between booing a vet for being gay, cheering on the death of a person who can’t pay medical bills, and a candidate getting essentially run down and savaged for suggesting that you can’t just deport every undocumented worker and build a wall across our southern border, it was pretty clear just where the party’s base sits. And it’s not in favor of anything approaching sanity.

162 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:09:58pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

It’s three years till the next election and his work on immigration is intended to latch down the ‘Caribbean Latino’ votes that will give him the margin to fend off any primary challenge.

I’d be nice if you could look at these constituencies as something more than an interest group for Republicans. It seriously undermines the sincerity of your position.

163 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:11:41pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

He has to take risks. The white vote isn’t enough to carry Florida anymore, and Florida Republicans need to accept that. They can either make their peace with Cubans Dominicans and Puerto Ricans, or they can lose the state. Forcing that sort of change means making enemies without a guarantee of victory. but Adm. Nelson had it right: “He who will not risk cannot win.”

They’re not accepting it, hence the efforts over past years to get as many Democrats or minorities believed to lean towards the Democratic Party off the voter rolls, closing voting centers and short-staffing the ones opened, cutting back on early-voting periods, and other methods meant to discourage the very voters you think will save Rubio’s sorry ass.

164 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:11:59pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

They can either make their peace with Cubans Dominicans and Puerto Ricans, or they can lose the state.

Please name a specific GOP policy that benefits Cubans, Dominicans, and Puerto Ricans, even if they happen to also be poor, gay, or female.

165 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:13:20pm

Before the two senators were pretty much run out of the party, both Chaffee and Jeffords were far better advocates for gay rights than anyone in the GOP today.

166 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:19:52pm

re: #162 Carlos Danger

I’d be nice if you could look at these constituencies as something more than an interest group for Republicans. It seriously undermines the sincerity of your position.

What do you mean? They are a part of Sen. Rubio’s planning coalition in Florida, and as part of the team their needs and issues must be attended to.

That’s how I look at politics. If you’re looking for love or warmth, look elsewhere, as I have little of either.

167 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:21:50pm

re: #165 Carlos Danger

Before the two senators were pretty much run out of the party, both Chaffee and Jeffords were far better advocates for gay rights than anyone in the GOP today.

Jeffords wasn’t run out, he left because the Dems made him a better offer. Lincoln Chaffee is an unreliable RINO whom the GOP is better off without.

168 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:22:51pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

Jeffords wasn’t run out, he left because the Dems made him a better offer. Lincoln Chaffee is an unreliable RINO whom the GOP is better off without.

I admit, these are the statements that make it hard to be charitable.

169 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:23:23pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

And what is Sen. Kirk? Chopped liver?

Pretty much.

170 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:23:57pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

What do you mean? They are a part of Sen. Rubio’s planning coalition in Florida, and as part of the team their needs and issues must be attended to.

That’s how I look at politics. If you’re looking for love or warmth, look elsewhere, as I have little of either.

Then your view of politics is flawed. The general welfare of the people means more than sops and quid pro quo inducements.

171 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:28:33pm

re: #170 Carlos Danger

Then your view of politics is flawed. The general welfare of the people means more than sops and quid pro quo inducements.

THIS. This this this this this.

Governance isn’t about keeping your party in power.

Governance is about the good of the people.

The moment the former rises above the latter, someone deserved to be voted out of office.

More than anything, I believe my principles should be consistently applied to ALL people, and that’s what results in me voting Democrat. It’s not about taxes (hi, I tend to pay higher taxes), it’s not about welfare benefits (what’re those?), it’s about making sure everyone has the same rights as I do, and the ability to put food in their bellies and make their own choices if they’re willing to work at it.

172 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:28:55pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

Jeffords wasn’t run out, he left because the Dems made him a better offer. Lincoln Chaffee is an unreliable RINO whom the GOP is better off without.

Funny, Rubio’s being dubbed a RINO for his part in immigration reform. Does this in any way change your opinion of him?

173 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:32:44pm

re: #170 Carlos Danger

Then your view of politics is flawed. The general welfare of the people means more than sops and quid pro quo inducements.

Well, of course you put the team together to make things better. I didn’t argue against that. What I said was that you have to keep your team together and that means addressing the concerns of its members.

I know that view is limited, but there’s limits to my conceptual abilities on this matter. For the most part I’m not able to inspire people, since I often don’t have the insight into others needed for it and I greatly prefer longer detailed statements to short pithy ones. So I tend to focus on attending to people’s wants and needs.

174 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:33:40pm

re: #168 klys

I admit, these are the statements that make it hard to be charitable.

Lincoln Chaffee signed marriage equality into law in Rhode Island, a more concrete step for equality than anything Kirk ever put his name to.

175 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:34:51pm

re: #172 Targetpractice

Funny, Rubio’s being dubbed a RINO for his part in immigration reform. Does this in any way change your opinion of him?

Yes, it makes me respect him more. He’s come under heavy fire, but he’s not running. Like Chris Christie, Marco Rubio has a decent amount of courage, and I respect courage.

176 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:35:13pm

re: #128 jaunte

From Diana PoKempner, HRW, who was on that Chris Hayes clip:

“The Ethics of Large Data Leaks”

Looking for some sense and consistency here, but I can’t find it.

So is she saying that the media outlets have a responsibility to report things ethically because when the penalties for leaking sensitive info are tightened, those in the media will be partially to blame?
In other words, there is a proper way to report this stuff, don’t just throw shit out there, because you’ll mess it up for everyone.
Maybe?

177 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:38:05pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it makes me respect him more. He’s come under heavy fire, but he’s not running. Like Chris Christie, Marco Rubio has a decent amount of courage, and I respect courage.

…

Chris Christie is at least running for re-election.

Doing things that align with your principles even when you’re running = courage.

If you’re willing to back down from your principles because you want people to vote for you, that is not courage. Sorry.

178 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:38:17pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it makes me respect him more. He’s come under heavy fire, but he’s not running. Like Chris Christie, Marco Rubio has a decent amount of courage, and I respect courage.

Then why not respect Chafee for his courage in voting his beliefs or for his constituents rather than always for what the party wanted?

179 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:41:18pm

re: #177 klys

…

Chris Christie is at least running for re-election.

Doing things that align with your principles even when you’re running = courage.

If you’re willing to back down from your principles because you want people to vote for you, that is not courage. Sorry.

…and before someone accuses me of lying or a double standard towards Snowden or whatever, this also means a) not taking a job that conflicts with your principles if it would render you incapable of doing your job (HI PHARMACISTS WHO WON’T PRESCRIBE BIRTH CONTROL, I ALSO THINK YOU’RE JERKS) or b) being honest in the interview and clearance process. I think one of these things was not true for Snowden and thus I have no issues with prosecuting him despite thinking the Patriot Act has more than its share of bullshit in it.

180 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:42:43pm

Good Night. Sorry to leave, but I’m having trouble keeping my eyes open. I’m just too worn out to keep going.

181 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:44:56pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Good Night. Sorry to leave, but I’m having trouble keeping my eyes open. I’m just too worn out to keep going.

I hope at some point you’ll be able to consider what I said in #158.

182 chadu  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:19:41am

re: #70 freetoken

Here’s an important point missing from so many of these stories about “Adam” and “Eve” - by putting the most recent common ancestor FOR THE Y CHROMOSOME for ALL humans (well, males) back to 200,000 year we are talking about a “human” who pre-dates our modern selves.

Yes, that’s right, that person carrying that Y chromosome would probably not be though of as a modern Homo sapiens sapiens.

This is very cool. Thanks for posting.

183 chadu  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:30:16am

re: #171 klys

Governance isn’t about keeping your party in power.

Governance is about the good of the people.

The moment the former rises above the latter, someone deserved to be voted out of office.

More than anything, I believe my principles should be consistently applied to ALL people, and that’s what results in me voting Democrat. It’s not about taxes (hi, I tend to pay higher taxes), it’s not about welfare benefits (what’re those?), it’s about making sure everyone has the same rights as I do, and the ability to put food in their bellies and make their own choices if they’re willing to work at it.

I regret I have but one upding to give.


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