Buchanan: Better to Destroy Country Than End Anti-Obamacare Drive

Kragar
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Pat Buchanan shows what he is really all about:

In a column fittingly titled “Republicans, Stand Up - Polls Be Damned!,” Pat Buchanan calls on Republicans in Congress not to give up on the push to derail Obamacare, even if it means the collapse of the Republican Party. If the GOP goes down, Buchanan writes, Republicans should bring America down with them as he urges the GOP to be like Samson, who killed himself along with countless Philistines in bringing down the temple.

“Republicans should refuse to raise the white flag and insist on an honorable avenue of retreat,” Buchanan claims. “And if Harry Reid’s Senate demands the GOP end the sequester on federal spending, or be blamed for a debt default, the party should, Samson-like, bring down the roof of the temple on everybody’s head.”

He urges Republicans to ignore three new polls showing the GOP approval rating tanking over its role in the government shutdown, because time will prove the Republicans were right about Obamacare all along.

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1 blueraven  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 2:50:14pm

mind just blown
need a nap

2 BusyMonster  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:21:08pm

These guys are total bastards. Nothing matters to them except their un-earned authority.

3 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:14:45pm

Batshyte Buchanan is like the abusive ex-partner who tells the object of his affection “If I can’t have you, nobody will have you” just before he lights the match on the pool of gasoline he’s doused them both in.

It wouldn’t be so bad if it were just himself going up, but he wants to see all of America go up in flames with him.

RBS
Who just hit 1000 points, and want to know who ate the pie he had left on the counter to cool?

4 nines09  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:46:17pm

Pat is a True Patriot. Of course todays definition of a Patriot in his twisted world is anyone who would be willing to “water the tree of liberty” with unbelievers blood. He’s gone far beyond that. He’ll destroy an entire nation for his “Religion”. His is the Dharma of greed, avarice, gluttony, bigotry, hatred, and Fascism. All with “Gods” blessing of course. All dressed up and pissing on you.

5 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:59:19pm

Congrats Pat, now you really are thinking exactly like Hitler. The destruction of the Germany that had failed him was what he wanted at the end.

Paleo Pat is a piece of shit.

6 scottslemmons  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:28:37pm

Well, Buchanan is considered an admirer of Hitler. Maybe he figures this is Der Fuhrer’s from-the-grave vengeance against the Allies.

7 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:57:23pm

Pat can always ride the Ratline to Argentina.

8 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:58:31pm

Yeah, Paleo Pat was out there two weeks back, calling on Republicans to “fix bayonets” and fight to the bitter end instead of accepting anything less than the defunding of the ACA.

Guess he just doesn’t get that if the economy goes tits up, his wealth is gonna lose a lot of its value very damned quick.

9 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:04:47pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Yeah, Paleo Pat was out there two weeks back, calling on Republicans to “fix bayonets” and fight to the bitter end instead of accepting anything less than the defunding of the ACA.

Guess he just doesn’t get that if the economy goes tits up, his wealth is gonna lose a lot of its value very damned quick.

Government shutdown: billions of dollars domestically.
Default: trillions of dollars worldwide
Getting the race war you always dreamed of; Priceless.

10 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:05:02pm
Pat Buchanan shows what he is really all about…

He’s been doing that for at least 40 years.

11 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:08:18pm

This war by the tea partying right is indeed a religious war, though it seems many talking heads want to avoid this topic.

Everyday across this country the Party of God makes clear what they are about:

Tenn. GOP Leader Denounces ACLU’s Alleged ‘Scare Tactics’ Against School Prayer

Tennessee’s Republican Party has sent a letter to school superintendents denouncing an earlier letter from a civil liberties group expressing opposition to prayer at high school football games.

Tennessee GOP Chairman Chris Devaney sent the letter to superintendents last week in response to an American Civil Liberties Union letter sent earlier this month.

“Obviously, the ACLU-TN is using scare tactics and the implied threat of litigation to stamp out the First Amendment rights of students,” wrote Devaney.

“Not only is this a transparent political stunt, it is a misreading of the law and misunderstanding of Tennessee’s unique spiritual heritage.”

[…]

“Groups like the ACLU and Freedom from Religion Foundation won’t be happy until God is completely removed from public life,” said Devaney.

“In doing so they miss a vital point laid out by our Founding Fathers—the First Amendment isn’t meant to protect government from religion, it’s meant to protect individuals of faith from an overbearing government.”

[…]

The Party of God’s number one issue is to make sure that God is not “completely removed from public life” .

12 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:08:49pm
13 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:09pm

From Pat’s WND piece:

If she does not stop squandering hundreds of billions on liberal agenda items like Obamacare and if she do not end these trade deficits sucking the jobs, factories and investment capital out of our country, we will find ourselves beside Greece, Spain, Illinois and Detroit.

Somebody wake the editor. They don’t let Pat post unsupervised, do they?

14 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:26pm

Meanwhile, here in Texas our Lt. Gov — who lost to Ted Cruz for that Senate seat, BTW — is busy proving he’s a goddamn moron:

15 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:16:32pm

re: #14 Lidane

Yeah, I had that up in a tab, but I though we talked about that yesterday. Time mag ran with a blurb also.

But yes, Dewhurst is yet another wingnut loon, but we already new that from this summer’s escapades.

16 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:17:49pm

re: #11 freetoken

I though TN’s unique heritage was 1st cousin’s getting married.

Or was that Missouri?
///

17 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:20:17pm

re: #15 freetoken

It’s possible it came up yesterday. The derp is so overpowering these days it’s hard to keep up with it all.

And meanwhile I’m having to explain to a friend of mine that Obama will veto anything less than a clean DL increase because turning the full faith and credit of the US into a bargaining tool is unacceptable and it would be a horrible precedent. I told him to imagine how he’d feel if a Democratic House was holding the country hostage and threatening default if a GOP Senate and a GOP President didn’t give in to their demands.

No answer yet. I don’t really expect one, either.

18 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:21:07pm

through the looking glass in the freeper thread

Zero and Reid are pushing the country toward a Constitutional crisis, and their partisan media shills are trying to lay down the memes. I’m sure my allegedly intelligent family members (just ask ‘em, they’ll tell you how smart they are and how stupid everyone is who disagrees with them) will be among the small but sizable group in the country who will wholeheartedly support the destruction of the Constitutional structure in favor of “paying our bills” (IOW, raising the amount that we owe in order to spend even more).

19 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:23:39pm

Bad craziness. As your attorney, I suggest you take the blue one.

20 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:23:41pm

The story of the allegedly abusive ranch in NM has hit the New York Times.

21 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:26:34pm

pat has been bad for so long was an asshole before it was fashionable

22 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:27:31pm

Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Penn: Speaker Boehner likely to take up Senate deal in the House first even without majority GOP support - @jaketapper

23 Joanne  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:29:35pm

re: #22 dog philosopher

Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Penn: Speaker Boehner likely to take up Senate deal in the House first even without majority GOP support - @jaketapper

Buh bye, Speaker B.

24 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:35:51pm

re: #22 dog philosopher

Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Penn: Speaker Boehner likely to take up Senate deal in the House first even without majority GOP support - @jaketapper

That’d be nice.

25 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:39:25pm

When Teapublicans fail and get voted out if a job, guess what? Pat will still have a job.

26 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:41:55pm

re: #25 GlutenFreeJesus

Most will no doubt not get voted out. Teapublicans come for the most part from diehard, or gerrymandered, wingnut areas.

27 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:42:39pm

re: #25 GlutenFreeJesus

When Teapublicans fail and get voted out if a job, guess what? Pat will still have a job.

And people wonder why I don’t believe in an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god.

28 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:44:47pm

re: #27 Assless ChapJockey

And people wonder why I don’t believe in an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god.

If it lasts for longer than four hours, you better pray some more instead of using that Commie ObummerKKKare!!!!

29 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:45:24pm


[…]

Chris Ramirez: I read Connor Griffoul’s story weeks ago.

It stood out to me in this stack of police documents because it showed Connor’s story is similar to so many others that I read about what goes on at Tierra Blanca Ranch.

And it shows how the state didn’t take the claims of what was happening at the Ranch serious until only just recently.

Connor now lives in the San Francisco Bay area. I interviewed him through an internet connection.

Connor Griffoul: We were placed in handcuffs and shackles and orange suits for three months straight. The entire time, we were camping, we weren’t in a house. We were literally in handcuffs wearing orange jumpsuits and had to camp in a tent. We were there for nine months and I took seven showers. I wasn’t allowed to talk to my friends, I was allowed to talk to my family. I got one phone call my entire stay there. I wasn’t allowed to get letters from my mother. It was awful.

Connor Griffoul ran away from Tierra Blanca in 2008.

When a State Police officer found him, he noted in his report that Connor was in handcuffs and in possession of a stolen phone that Connor had used to call for help.

Instead of taking Connor to safety, that State Police officer returned Connor to the Tierra Blanca Ranch.

[…]

30 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:45:32pm
31 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:51:29pm

Surely GG has something to say about this!

m.bbc.co.uk

32 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:52:11pm

re: #30 Lidane

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The Senate is working on a plan. But they are running out of time. How the House will react to any deal is uncertain. But I bet they embarrass themselves in the process.

33 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:52:28pm

Later, lizards.

34 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:54:28pm

This is making the rounds on Facebook:

35 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:56:16pm

re: #34 Sol Berdinowitz

This is making the rounds on Facebook:

Wishful thinking. Won’t happen.

36 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:57:33pm

Also, WTF do website glitches and internet traffic have to do with the individual mandate?

37 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:58:16pm

re: #34 Sol Berdinowitz

This is making the rounds on Facebook:

The authors recount a “darkly amusing” thread on Reddit where web designers are picking through the site’s code and mocking it mercilessly. “They’re loading 11 CSS files and 62 (wat?) JavaScript files on each page, uncompressed and without expires headers,” writes Spektr44. “They have blocks of HTML inexplicably wrapped in script tags. Wtf?”

time to go home and get some sleep so i can have a cup of darkly amusing french roast in the morning

38 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:58:25pm

re: #36 Lidane

Also, WTF do website glitches and internet traffic have to do with the individual mandate?

Benghazi.

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:59:24pm

The Competitive Marketplace would have done a better job.

40 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:06:34pm

If a picture is worth a thousand words, then this is a snapshot of the House of Representatives:

s220.photobucket.com

41 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:07:59pm
42 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:19:06pm

Peter Kingr: ‘It was madness to follow Ted Cruz’

“I’ve said all along, this is madness — it was madness to follow Ted Cruz,” King said to Cooper. “It was absolute madness to say we want to shut down the government, to defund Obamacare. It never made sense and now all we’re down to, apparently, is trying to pass a [continued resolution] to take away healthcare from congressional employees. That’s what we shut down the government for. It makes no sense.”

Cooper then pointed out that King has made multiple statements to that effect, before asking him if he felt that a Senate bill including funding for the new law could pass the House now.

“As certain as I can be of anything, I’m certain of that,” King answered. “If it comes to a vote on the House floor, we’ll probably get all the Democrats and certainly enough Republicans to get it through.”

“And you’re confident Speaker Boehner would allow it to come to the House,” Cooper pressed.

“I don’t know what John would do,” King conceded. “But I would think, though, if he’s gonna be involved in expediting the process at all, he probably then would allow it to come to a vote in the House floor. It’s getting too close to the wire.

43 blueraven  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:27:55pm

“It’s time to put the partisan bickering aside and fund the vital services we all support, maintain our credit rating, and continue the debate about the damage Obamacare is doing to the economy. Sen. Cruz has fully supported individual measures to fund essential government services and to take responsible action to reduce our debt. The President and all members of Congress should send an unmistakable signal that the United States will not default on its debt. We should not put our credit ratings in jeopardy over our political disputes,” - Catherine Frazier, press secretary for Senator Ted Cruz.

Seriously?

44 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:32:05pm

Kragar,

I think Buchanan may have just lost it.

45 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:34:58pm

re: #43 blueraven

Seriously?

I bet his House friends are feeling pretty reamed right about now.

46 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:39:17pm

re: #43 blueraven

Seriously?

My neck hurts from that 180.

Freepers are gonna blow a gasket when they pick up on that. LOLOLOL

47 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:40:11pm

re: #43 blueraven

Seriously?

Typical politician — talking out of both sides of his mouth at once.

What Cruz wants, according to his press secretary, is to approve funding piecemeal, one by one, for “essential services.” That way, the Tea Party can torpedo any program it hates, like a line-item veto.

48 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:53:48pm

And once all this gets settled - hopefully within the next 24 hours - President Obama launches a new salvo: He’s going to make a push for comprehensive immigration reform.

thehill.com

Teahadi heads explode like a string of firecrackers.

49 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:02:12pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

They say never kick a man when he’s down.

Why not? It is so much easier.

50 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:02:25pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

And once all this gets settled - hopefully within the next 24 hours - President Obama launches a new salvo: He’s going to make a push for comprehensive immigration reform.

thehill.com

Teahadi heads explode like a string of firecrackers.

HIt ‘em while they’re down.

51 biorabbi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:10:09pm

I’m a Reagan republican. I like and admire Obama. I’m a low tax, pro-business guy and, sadly, I find nothing whatsoever in common with the John Birchification of the GOP. Where their used to be an intellectual pride of a William F Buckley. What is impressive today is a dumbing down of the conservative movement. Sarah Palin is/was embraced partly for her know-nothing persona. Buchanan is not a know nothing. He’s just pure hater. The tea party is part hate/rage but also this anti-scientific, bible-thumping stupidity that disgusts me.

Look at the good humored fights between Tip and the Gipper. It’s like we are splitting apart as a political party(republicans), but al so as a country. If you roll back the clock to the bircher rhetoric against communism, the chief issue of import was Jews, pinkos, black, and medicare…. now it’s Muslims, gays, Mexicans and Obamacare. Same shit, different generation. There. I feel better.

52 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:12:44pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

And once all this gets settled - hopefully within the next 24 hours - President Obama launches a new salvo: He’s going to make a push for comprehensive immigration reform.

thehill.com

Teahadi heads explode like a string of firecrackers.

Oh that will be fun. There hasn’t been enough racist derp from the RWNJs yet.

I wonder how many Confederate flags will fly in DC when immigration goes up for a vote.

53 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:16:23pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

And once all this gets settled - hopefully within the next 24 hours - President Obama launches a new salvo: He’s going to make a push for comprehensive immigration reform.

thehill.com

Teahadi heads explode like a string of firecrackers.

I almost forgot the Teahadis!

Image: teahadi.jpg

littlegreenfootballs.com

54 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:16:29pm

re: #49 Kragar

re: #50 wheat-dogghazi

It’s no secret that Paul Ryan has been quietly working on some kind of comprehensive immigration reform package behind the scenes while all this TP nonsense has been capturing the headlines for the last few weeks. There’s a good opportunity there for President Obama, and he’s smart enough of a tactician to seize that opportunity.

It also has one further benefit; if comprehensive immigration reform can indeed be passed, it will shatter the Tea Party - the Teahadis will be so furious that in their spite, they’ll sit out the 2014 mid-terms.

Divide and conquer.

55 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:16:52pm

Important note: Keep my wife far away from guacamole.

She is asleep right now and is farting up a storm. Really, really bad.

56 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:39:05pm

re: #52 Lidane

Oh that will be fun. There hasn’t been enough racist derp from the RWNJs yet.

I wonder how many Confederate flags will fly in DC when immigration goes up for a vote.

Boehner will never allow it to come up for a vote. The President’s push for immigration reform will merely serve to remind voters of who is blocking immigration reform.

57 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:41:08pm

re: #55 Kragar

Important note: Keep my wife far away from guacamole.

She is asleep right now and is farting up a storm. Really, really bad.

I hope for your sake she doesn’t read LGF.

58 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:47:40pm

re: #56 aagcobb

Boehner will never allow it to come up for a vote. The President’s push for immigration reform will merely serve to remind voters of who is blocking immigration reform.

Boehner won’t have the ability to bring it to a vote after all this is over. The teabaggers will never trust him again if he forces through the Senate deal by working with the Dems and the remaining GOP cowards won’t cross the teabaggers if they’re vulnerable in their districts.

Still, watching all the RWNJs flipping their shit over immigration after all this will be illuminating. All the racist derp we’ve seen so far will be eclipsed by any debates on immigration.

59 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:48:34pm

re: #56 aagcobb

Boehner will never allow it to come up for a vote. The President’s push for immigration reform will merely serve to remind voters of who is blocking immigration reform.

I wouldn’t necessarily count on that. Boehner may be a craven coward, but he is not an unintelligent man - he and the rest of the GOP leadership know full well that the GOP faces a demography problem. Also, the perception of the GOP as a quasi-White Nationalist party is certainly doing them no favors. Mid-term elections are coming up, and the GOP leadership may well be thinking “We gotta do something or we’re gonna get massacred in November 2014.”

Of course, such a move would severely alienate the TP’ers, who in many areas of the country, essentially are the GOP grassroots base. The GOP is in a pickle; on the one hand, they cannot afford to be seen as a “Whites Only” party with largely token minority representatives here and there - on the other hand, alienating their base would be a mortal injury.

I’m sure a good many political calculations are going on behind the scenes. As to what path the GOP will take - either become a White Nationalist party or make a sincere effort to expand the ‘Big Tent’ by being more inclusive - remains to be seen, but they need to choose soon.

60 docproto48  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:04:26am

re: #4 nines09

As I have said these people will destroy America to get the “black” man out of the “white ” house

to me this is not patriotism but treason

of course they say one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist

61 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:23:09am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

I wouldn’t necessarily count on that. Boehner may be a craven coward, but he is not an unintelligent man - he and the rest of the GOP leadership know full well that the GOP faces a demography problem. Also, the perception of the GOP as a quasi-White Nationalist party is certainly doing them no favors. Mid-term elections are coming up, and the GOP leadership may well be thinking “We gotta do something or we’re gonna get massacred in November 2014.”

Of course, such a move would severely alienate the TP’ers, who in many areas of the country, essentially are the GOP grassroots base. The GOP is in a pickle; on the one hand, they cannot afford to be seen as a “Whites Only” party with largely token minority representatives here and there - on the other hand, alienating their base would be a mortal injury.

I’m sure a good many political calculations are going on behind the scenes. As to what path the GOP will take - either become a White Nationalist party or make a sincere effort to expand the ‘Big Tent’ by being more inclusive - remains to be seen, but they need to choose soon.

From their actions, and the analysis I’ve seen on the Right of how they can win by getting even whiter, it appears they have chosen to become a White Nationalist Party. I think Boehner won’t let immigration reform come to a vote because he knows the only thing more damaging than immigration reform quietly dying would be immigration reform being killed publicly by loud, racist Teahadis. The objective isn’t to get hispanic votes, which the GOP has basically given up on, but to avoid appearing openly racist to centrist whites.

62 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:24:16am

well lets just see what deal Harry and The Turtle put together. For all of Harry’s new found strength, I still have some lingering concerns that he may offer up something unneeded that provides enough of a fig leaf to allow some people to cover their political naughty bits. Granted Harry may be able to be somewhat magnanimous considering his position and considering the amount of times that Turtle and his posse have stabbed him in the back in the name of “bipartisanship and comity”; I could understand if he wanted to have McConnell bring the Senate version to the House wearing a tutu and some sparkly red heels.

Now once whatever deal gets made and signed and delivered we all have to remember that this is unlikely to be for a year and unlikely to stop these folks from trying it again, just with added dysfunction in the House as it is wholly dependent upon whoever follows in Orange John’s footsteps. Who knows what crawls out of the wreckage and for all we know, they’ll continue to run the House as a halfway house for the politically insane. While we may be able to take in a few breaths and hope that we can repair some of the damage, doesn’t mean that these proud GOP members won’t continue their attempts to light the poo on the doorstep. I wouldn’t rule out impeachment of the President just out of petty spite.

Be thinking about who is likely to follow as speaker…. Cantor, King (Steve or Peter), Gohmert, Nuegebauer, Foxx, I wonder if Vegas is making book on this…..

63 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:28:55am

Conservatism - The opposite of what Liberals want, updated daily - Cleek’s Law

64 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:36:56am

re: #61 aagcobb

From their actions, and the analysis I’ve seen on the Right of how they can win by getting even whiter, it appears they have chosen to become a White Nationalist Party. I think Boehner won’t let immigration reform come to a vote because he knows the only thing more damaging than immigration reform quietly dying would be immigration reform being killed publicly by loud, racist Teahadis. The objective isn’t to get hispanic votes, which the GOP has basically given up on, but to avoid appearing openly racist to centrist whites.

Good points.

When the GOP loses Texas - and that’s more a matter of ‘when’, not ‘if’, despite their best efforts at gerrymandering and voter supression - I can’t help but wonder what the GOP is going to do. When they lose TX, with its electoral votes, they’re finished as a national party.

65 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:39:22am

re: #62 piratedan

well lets just see what deal Harry and The Turtle put together. For all of Harry’s new found strength, I still have some lingering concerns that he may offer up something unneeded that provides enough of a fig leaf to allow some people to cover their political naughty bits. Granted Harry may be able to be somewhat magnanimous considering his position and considering the amount of times that Turtle and his posse have stabbed him in the back in the name of “bipartisanship and comity”; I could understand if he wanted to have McConnell bring the Senate version to the House wearing a tutu and some sparkly red heels.

Now once whatever deal gets made and signed and delivered we all have to remember that this is unlikely to be for a year and unlikely to stop these folks from trying it again, just with added dysfunction in the House as it is wholly dependent upon whoever follows in Orange John’s footsteps. Who knows what crawls out of the wreckage and for all we know, they’ll continue to run the House as a halfway house for the politically insane. While we may be able to take in a few breaths and hope that we can repair some of the damage, doesn’t mean that these proud GOP members won’t continue their attempts to light the poo on the doorstep. I wouldn’t rule out impeachment of the President just out of petty spite.

Be thinking about who is likely to follow as speaker…. Cantor, King (Steve or Peter), Gohmert, Nuegebauer, Foxx, I wonder if Vegas is making book on this…..

I think Boehner remains Speaker. He gave the Teahadis the fight they wanted, and I don’t see anyone stepping forward to challenge him. Bomb throwers don’t want the responsibility of governance of the leadership position; they want to throw bombs.

66 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:43:36am

re: #65 aagcobb

I think Boehner remains Speaker. He gave the Teahadis the fight they wanted, and I don’t see anyone stepping forward to challenge him. Bomb throwers don’t want the responsibility of governance of the leadership position; they want to throw bombs.

perhaps he will, with the players involved, that would be an intelligent choice to make, as such, I wouldn’t put money on it. These guys in the Tea Party don’t strike me as the types to simply accept this set back and move on. I can only imagine what the next 12 months may look like given our current political climate.

67 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:48:40am

re: #66 piratedan

perhaps he will, with the players involved, that would be an intelligent choice to make, as such, I wouldn’t put money on it. These guys in the Tea Party don’t strike me as the types to simply accept this set back and move on. I can only imagine what the next 12 months may look like given our current political climate.

The next 12 months will indeed be interesting. Today there’s the special election in NJ, which looks like Mr. Booker will win. Next month, there’s the gubernatorial election in VA as well, and it looks like Mr. Cuccinelli and his insane running-mate are probably going to lose that as well, securing VA in the blue column for 2016.

68 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:49:20am

h/t to commenter Baud over at Balloon Juice…

The Default of Northern Aggression

69 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:53:10am

re: #64 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

Good points.

When the GOP loses Texas - and that’s more a matter of ‘when’, not ‘if’, despite their best efforts at gerrymandering and voter supression - I can’t help but wonder what the GOP is going to do. When they lose TX, with its electoral votes, they’re finished as a national party.

The US electoral system is basically designed to be two party, and the Democrats and the GOP have brand name recognition leaving third parties at a massive disadvantage in trying to compete, so I don’t see the GOP being replaced. It will evolve over time. The Southern GOP, like Southern Democrats of the past, will be stubbornly reactionary for a long time to come. But more centrist politicians, like Christie, will take the shell of the GOP in Northern and Western states and shape a more centrist party able to appeal to moderates. The Democrats will move to the left, as is their wont after a centrist President such as Obama, and that will create room for the GOP to move back toward the center. And as the GOP’s elderly white evangelical base dies out, the centrists will begin to take over and reshape the party’s image. The Democrats and Republicans have been doing this dance for 160 years, and even though you read occasional obituaries for one party or another, they have always adapted to save themselves.

70 Kragar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:59:29am

re: #63 piratedan

Conservatism - The opposite of what Liberals want, updated daily - Cleek’s Law

Conservatism: The mind numbing fear that someone, somewhere doesn’t give a flying fuck about your rules on how to live their life.

71 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 1:03:53am

re: #70 Kragar

my own version…..

Conservatism - The overwhelming fear that somebody, somewhere is having an original thought

72 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 1:04:32am

re: #69 aagcobb

The US electoral system is basically designed to be two party, and the Democrats and the GOP have brand name recognition leaving third parties at a massive disadvantage in trying to compete, so I don’t see the GOP being replaced. It will evolve over time. The Southern GOP, like Southern Democrats of the past, will be stubbornly reactionary for a long time to come. But more centrist politicians, like Christie, will take the shell of the GOP in Northern and Western states and shape a more centrist party able to appeal to moderates. The Democrats will move to the left, as is their wont after a centrist President such as Obama, and that will create room for the GOP to move back toward the center. And as the GOP’s elderly white evangelical base dies out, the centrists will begin to take over and reshape the party’s image. The Democrats and Republicans have been doing this dance for 160 years, and even though you read occasional obituaries for one party or another, they have always adapted to save themselves.

I would agree with that. The Southern wing of the GOP will, over time, fade in strength as its base dies out.

My political instinct tells me that 2010 was the last hurrah of the Southern reactionaries and their fellow-travelers, and that they’re now in a downward trajectory, leaving room for the centrists to reshape the party’s image, as you put it. It will take a while, perhaps 20 years or so.

73 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 1:16:50am

re: #72 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

I dunno, here we are 160+ years post the Civil War and all these guys have done is co-opt the religious puritans, gun nuts and the glibertarian rich (although who’s using whom is open to debate) and we’re still on the battlefield 50 years post Civil Rights legislation and these asshats are doing their damndest to trash the VRA (and block minority voting) and continue to attempt to gerrymander themselves into a permanent majority in their strongholds. They’ve got control of SCOTUS for the foreseeable future and a good portion of the MSM. Have they lost this round, apparently, but if they’re still looking to impose Plantation policy after all this time, I have a hard time believing that they’re going to fade away in a generation (as much as I would cheer this to happen, from rooftops until I am hoarse).

We still have a lot of real work that needs to be done (Immigration, Global Warming, Infrastructure to name a few), but these guys have shown a decided history of changing the playing field at every opportunity and a tenacity to not give up on anything (hell during Bush they were STILL trying to butcher Social Security and Medicare). 40 years past Roe versus Wade, anyone think they’ve given up on that front? It’s still going to be a long campaign I fear, but it’s a fight worth having.

74 bbcrackmonkey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 1:36:13am

You know what else works really well to get your legislative agenda through?

Winning elections. Might wanna try that sometime, Republicans.

75 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 2:01:58am

re: #73 piratedan

I dunno, here we are 160+ years post the Civil War and all these guys have done is co-opt the religious puritans, gun nuts and the glibertarian rich (although who’s using whom is open to debate) and we’re still on the battlefield 50 years post Civil Rights legislation and these asshats are doing their damndest to trash the VRA (and block minority voting) and continue to attempt to gerrymander themselves into a permanent majority in their strongholds. They’ve got control of SCOTUS for the foreseeable future and a good portion of the MSM. Have they lost this round, apparently, but if they’re still looking to impose Plantation policy after all this time, I have a hard time believing that they’re going to fade away in a generation (as much as I would cheer this to happen, from rooftops until I am hoarse).

We still have a lot of real work that needs to be done (Immigration, Global Warming, Infrastructure to name a few), but these guys have shown a decided history of changing the playing field at every opportunity and a tenacity to not give up on anything (hell during Bush they were STILL trying to butcher Social Security and Medicare). 40 years past Roe versus Wade, anyone think they’ve given up on that front? It’s still going to be a long campaign I fear, but it’s a fight worth having.

The fact that many folks in the South are still obsessing over their defeat in the Civil War tells me - as a strictly amateur student of the human mind - that loss inflicted a profound cultural trauma on them. I grew up in Los Angeles, and lived in the Pacific Northwest - I’ve only ever been to the Deep South on vacation as a kid and young adult, so I have no way of measuring the impact of that defeat and what it did to the regional culture.

It certainly clouded their thinking, that’s for sure.

76 sagehen  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 2:05:57am

re: #69 aagcobb

The Democrats and Republicans have been doing this dance for 160 years, and even though you read occasional obituaries for one party or another, they have always adapted to save themselves.

And if the other party fucks up bad enough, the resurrection can happen incredibly quickly.

Who would have thought, in 1972, that the party who lost by a 58-42 margin, with an electoral college count of 520-17, would run somebody almost identical and win next time? (and then do such a poor job that he lost 4 years later by an EC of 489-49 to somebody who disagreed on every single issue with his party’s previous nominee).

77 Kruk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 2:25:03am

re: #71 piratedan

my own version…..

Conservatism - The overwhelming fear that somebody, somewhere is having an original thought

Conservatism - The overwhelming fear that somebody, somewhere is having the kind of fun you’re too scared to try.

78 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:31:37am

re: #77 Kruk

Conservatism - The overwhelming fear that somebody, somewhere is having the kind of fun you’re too scared to try.

Hey, why not both, and even more free association type thinking? : )

79 Teukka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:41:38am

Somewhat OT, but I am increasingly getting this talking point from wingnuts on various forums that the US govt has revenues and resources enough to survive well past the debt ceiling, but that The SpiteHouse will shut down the EBT system on Nov 1, not because of lack of funds, but to put pressure on the GOP to let Obummer have his way.

Just a heads up to y’all.

80 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:54:21am

Now if other countries who allow this would follow suit…

Ireland is to close a tax loophole used by Apple

Ireland plans to shut a tax arrangement used by Apple to shelter $40bn (£25bn) from taxation.

bbc.co.uk

Why do people so admire others who use nefarious means to accumulate wealth while using cheap labor, over-valuing their products and themselves, and causing misery for millions in the process?

It’s pretty well proven that when you control wealth, you control the future, you shape events of every sort—political, social, economic. No amount of “charity” provided by the wealthy can ever make up for what generations of people have suffered, what they could have done for themselves had they earned wages equivalent to the value of their labor in creating that wealth for someone else.

81 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:57:10am

re: #79 Teukka

Typo: “but” for “not”?

82 Teukka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:59:51am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Typo: “but” for “not”?

Yes. FIXD. Thank you :)

I apparently overdid the WiNgNuT persona there :/

83 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:02:20am

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

Why do people so admire others who use nefarious means to accumulate wealth while using cheap labor, over-valuing their products and themselves, and causing misery for millions in the process?

When investors band together to form a corporation, that is praised and awarded with tax breaks. When employees or consumers come together to form a union, they are reviled and derided as collectivist scum out to undermine capialist competition.

84 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:23:47am

Speaking of asshats.

85 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:25:40am

re: #83 Sol Berdinowitz

When investors band together to form a corporation that is praised and awarded with tax breaks. When employees or consumers come together to form a union, they are reviled and derided as collectivist scum out to undermine capialist competition.

Well, I see the first lot as just trying to improve their wallet’s contents without doing anything; the second as trying to improve their lives by working for their money and seeing the value of that work in a product as reward in itself, not a greedy grasp for unearned wealth.

I think a lot of people saw the trend to “investing” as a means of saving money as a misrepresentation, esp when companies started shutting down dedicated (and earned) pension plans and replacing them with 401ks in the workplace. I had four 401ks during the 80s and 90s that weren’t worth any more than if I had put $100/mo in a regular bank savings account for the period I had them. And I was forced to cash those in during periods of unemployment just to keep afloat. Lots of people found out, during times of recession, esp the 2008 Wall St melt down, that putting your money into speculative ventures like the Big Boys was not protecting your money. Many people lost, collectively, billions of dollars entrusting their money to speculators who had no compunction in trying to game the system for their own advantage.

OTOH, the system known as Social Security is providing me with an income, even if I’ve had to adjust to it, enough to actually live on, because of the system’s mgmt practices, investments and low administrative costs, whereas if it had become privatized, as some want, I might be totally without anything at all right now.

As human beings, we live collectively on this planet and we are charged with taking care of each other in the best way possible. To deny that is to deny life itself.

86 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:37:21am

Good morning.

Are we still screwed?

87 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:39:50am

re: #86 Varek Raith

Good morning.

Are we still screwed?

I am really hoping my in-the-know friend really is in-the-know, and that a plan gets passed today by the senate and drug into the House where Boehner pathetically passes it.

88 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:40:01am

re: #85 Justanotherhuman

As human beings, we live collectively on this planet and we are charged with taking care of each other in the best way possible. To deny that is to deny life itself.

Someday I am sure we will develop the technology to produce fully formed adults whom we can fit with a basic education chip and send out to fulfill their individual destinies. Then we can justfiy a Randian free-for-all in our society and economy.

89 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:46:31am

Morning Lizards. Curious to see what the Stock Market does this morning when it opens up for trading.

90 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:51:01am

Was the kitchen getting too hot for Greenwald? Is that why he looked for other “opportunities”? Is it why he stays in Brazil, whose govt is protecting him (until they turn on him when he stops kissing ass).

Britain’s PM Cameron says Snowden files damaged national security

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Britain’s national security was damaged by the Guardian newspaper’s publication of intelligence documents supplied by U.S. whistleblower Edward Snowden, Prime Minister David Cameron said on Wednesday.

“The plain fact is that what has happened has damaged national security,” Cameron told parliament. “In many ways, the Guardian themselves admitted that when they agreed, when asked politely by my national security advisor and cabinet secretary, to destroy the files they had.”

91 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 4:53:50am

Speaking of rebranding, Fukushima names a new mascot, forgets to consult with someone who speaks English.

92 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:04:27am

re: #88 Sol Berdinowitz

Someday I am sure we will develop the technology to produce fully formed adults whom we can fit with a basic education chip and send out to fulfill their individual destinies. Then we can justfiy a Randian free-for-all in our society and economy.

Have you read this yet? I would like to.

rushkoff.com

93 ninja cat  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:19:08am

re: #89 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. Curious to see what the Stock Market does this morning when it opens up for trading.

I don’t think I will watch, I don’t want to know. In fact I have a dentist appt this afternoon that may be more pleasant.

94 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:27:36am

re: #93 ninja cat

I don’t think I will watch, I don’t want to know. In fact I have a dentist appt this afternoon that may be more pleasant.

Yeah, I have a feeling it’s going to be ugly. Fox is showing all markets down in over night trading. DJIA -133.25 NASDAQ -21.26 and the S&P 500 -12.08.

CNN for some reason hasn’t updated their site yet.

95 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:31:07am

re: #94 Bubblehead II

Bloomberg reports this way.

U.S. Stock Futures Rise as Investors Await Debt Talks

bloomberg.com

96 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:31:30am

Tea Party nutjobs on Twitter are all HURR HURR SHUTDOWN & DEFAULT IZ ALL OBAMAZ FAULT SO HE CAN TAKE ARE GUNZ AWAY!!111!!!!

97 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:32:09am
98 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:33:13am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of rebranding, Fukushima names a new mascot, forgets to consult with someone who speaks English.

They tried to combine the Japanese word for good fortune (fuku) and the English word ‘happy’
So..
FUKUHAPPY!
XD

99 BusyMonster  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:34:30am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

The fact that many folks in the South are still obsessing over their defeat in the Civil War tells me - as a strictly amateur student of the human mind - that loss inflicted a profound cultural trauma on them. I grew up in Los Angeles, and lived in the Pacific Northwest - I’ve only ever been to the Deep South on vacation as a kid and young adult, so I have no way of measuring the impact of that defeat and what it did to the regional culture.

It certainly clouded their thinking, that’s for sure.

I live in the Buckle of the Bible Belt, and I’m a transplant from Colorado. My impression here is they have not got a fuck of a lot to be proud of, because basically the South is a giant impoverished, dirty shithole, so they take the Confederate pride because it’s all they’ve got.

I mean, more and more folks are not demoralized white trash and have an actual desire to make things better, but there are a lot of church-going folks here who simply blindly accept the narrative (and also are dizzyingly ignorant of life outside their familiar cluster of Thorntons’ and White Castles).

100 ityler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:34:38am

White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage said: “The president has said repeatedly that members of Congress don’t get to demand ransom for fulfilling their basic responsibilities to pass a budget and pay the nation’s bills.” Actually, the President’s statement is disingenuous because the President and Senate Democrats don’t get to demand Obamacare ransom for fulfilling their basic responsibilities to pass a budget and pay the nation’s bills, against the overwhelming expression against Obamacare of the American people they are pledged to serve.

101 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:35:32am

re: #98 Varek Raith

They tried to combine the Japanese word for good fortune (fuku) and the English word ‘happy’
So..
FUKUHAPPY!
XD

And it came out as: FUCK-UPPY!

102 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:36:05am

Incoming.

103 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:36:34am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

And it came out as: FUCK-UPPY!

:D

Yep.

104 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:37:36am

re: #100 ityler

The Affordable Care Act is a law, not a demand.

105 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:38:08am

re: #95 Justanotherhuman

Bloomberg reports this way.

U.S. Stock Futures Rise as Investors Await Debt Talks

bloomberg.com

Well it will be interesting to see what happens in 30 minutes. Bloomberg seems to think (if I read that right) that the markets will remain stable and continue to rise. Either way, it’s going to be an interesting day.

106 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:38:24am

CNBC:

US futures tick higher on hopes for debt ceiling deal

cnbc.com

“U.S. stock index futures pointed to a higher open on Wednesday, with lawmakers looking to strike a deal to lift the country’s borrowing limit before Thursday’s deadline.

“Senate leaders will continue negotiations at noon ET Wednesday, after a failed attempt in the House of Representatives to hold a vote on a short-term funding bill.

“Just a day before the Treasury’s new borrowing authority is set to expire, and, after yesterday’s House effort predictably came to naught, the ball is now back in the court of the Senate to craft a compromise,” Chris Scicluna, an economist at Daiwa Capital, said in a morning research note. “

107 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:38:30am

re: #100 ityler

Fuckuppy you!

108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:38:47am

re: #100 ityler

against the overwhelming expression against Obamacare of the American people they are pledged to serve.

There is no such overwhelming expression against the ACA.

Can you explain why you believe there is?

109 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:39:26am

re: #100 ityler

That is some pathetic trollery, there. Come back when you have some game.

110 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:39:27am

re: #108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

There is no such overwhelming expression against the ACA.

Can you explain why you believe there is?

It reads Breitbart.

111 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:40:22am

re: #107 Varek Raith

I honestly thought that the little thing there was a statement of protest against the incompetent TEPCO.

I read it as “Fuk-uppy”

112 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:43:27am

re: #99 BusyMonster

I live in the Buckle of the Bible Belt, and I’m a transplant from Colorado. My impression here is they have not got a fuck of a lot to be proud of, because basically the South is a giant impoverished, dirty shithole, so they take the Confederate pride because it’s all they’ve got.

I mean, more and more folks are not demoralized white trash and have an actual desire to make things better, but there are a lot of church-going folks here who simply blindly accept the narrative (and also are dizzyingly ignorant of life outside their familiar cluster of Thorntons’ and White Castles).

Well, I’ve lived in the south almost all my life, and you’re pretty spot on with that observation, except around here, it’s church, McDonald’s and the ABC (liquor) store. Those Baptists cum fundies still get drunk on Sat night and repent on Sunday.

113 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:43:36am

Anyone overnight convince the people who don’t believe in climate change, evolution and vaccines that default would be a bad thing?

114 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:44:49am

re: #100 ityler

Cool story, bro.

115 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:45:23am

Meanwhile in Libya:

Libya’s Grand Mufti Wants to Veil Female Teachers

A new fatwa by Libya’s top religious authority, the Grand Mufti, saying that all women teachers must veil their faces when instructing males who have reached puberty has prompted the anger of liberal activists, who fear this is the start of widespread educational gender segregation.

Libya’s Grand Mufti, Sheikh Sadik Al-Ghariani made the fatwa following a request from the Ministry of Education for advice on the issue as some schools had started to order women teachers to cover up.

I think we need to heed what Zeidan said, and help Libya. We can’t help Afghanistan, but we can do good in Libya.

116 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:45:40am

re: #100 ityler

1. It’s the Law, not a demand.
2. Obama ran on the ACA and won reelection.
3. Romney ran against the ACA and lost.
4. Breitbart and the other RWNJ blogs are not considered reliable sources of information.

117 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:58:47am

re: #100 ityler

It’s a little late for the GOP to pull out the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” argument.

118 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:00:48am

DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS:

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:00:49am

re: #116 Bubblehead II

1. It’s the Law, not a demand.
2. Obama ran on the ACA and won reelection.
3. Romney ran against the ACA and lost.
4. Breitbart and the other RWNJ blogs are not considered reliable sources of information.


1. So was Slavery
2. Obama won because he promised voters free stuff
3. Romney lost because he was not True Conservative
4. God speaks to us through Breitbart and his disciples.

so there

120 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:02:50am

Dumber and Dumberer. This much derp in one place should cause a derpocalypse.


That’s right. The constitutional scholar Sarah Palin claims that default is grounds for impeaching the President. Jim Hoft agrees.

Except that it isn’t the President’s job to appropriate. That’s Congress. And the debt ceiling is the flip side of appropriations - to make sure that the full faith and credit of the nation’s debts are met.

That too is on Congress.

If anyone should be impeached, recalled, or thrown out of office, it’s the GOPers who brought us to this point. They’re the ones who used the shutdown and default as leverage to demand the end to Obamacare - a program that creates health exchanges so people can get access to affordable health insurance. It creates a new marketplace - the opposite of socialism. It creates a program that’s based on the ideas first spouted by the Heritage Foundation and other GOPers.

But facts and logic don’t matter to the derpers. It just feels right to claim that this is an impeachable offense.

121 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:03:44am

Well, if OBAMA WANTZ TO DEFAULT!!!1!! why doesn’t the House GOP foil his eebil plan and vote to end the shutdown and a clean CR?

122 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:04:21am

Honestly, I would love it if they would get rid of the fucking debt ceiling. It’s nothing but an invitation to extortion at this point.

123 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:04:37am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS:

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It is an impeachable offense, just not an impeachable offense of the guy that they’re looking at.

124 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:05:52am

Well, this is unsettling.

Congressional Study Finds Uneven Safety Enforcement At U.S. Nuclear Plants

talkingpointsmemo.com

I live less than 10 mi, as the crow flies, from a nuclear plant. So far, so good, but I know for a fact that during its construction some welds were done by pot smoking construction workers. A good friend’s brother told her of taking pot breaks while on duty to “relieve the tedium” of his welding job. This was back in the ’60s, and there was, of course, no drug testing back then so he and his buddies were able to get away with it. Since xrays were only done randomly on welds, and not on all of them, I just hope the thing holds together but it is almost half a century old.

125 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:05:59am
126 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:06:41am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS:

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And dumbest woman ever to hold office of any kind.

127 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:08:19am

re: #120 lawhawk

Dumber and Dumberer. This much derp in one place should cause a derpocalypse.

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That’s right. The constitutional scholar Sarah Palin claims that default is grounds for impeaching the President. Jim Hoft agrees.

Except that it isn’t the President’s job to appropriate. That’s Congress. And the debt ceiling is the flip side of appropriations - to make sure that the full faith and credit of the nation’s debts are met.

That too is on Congress.

If anyone should be impeached, recalled, or thrown out of office, it’s the GOPers who brought us to this point. They’re the ones who used the shutdown and default as leverage to demand the end to Obamacare - a program that creates health exchanges so people can get access to affordable health insurance. It creates a new marketplace - the opposite of socialism. It creates a program that’s based on the ideas first spouted by the Heritage Foundation and other GOPers.

But facts and logic don’t matter to the derpers. It just feels right to claim that this is an impeachable offense.

Can we call this condition “The Gohmert Effect”?

128 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:09:04am

Wasn’t Pat Buchanan a founder of “The American Conservative”? I guess the child has disowned the father, because that’s one of the few places you can go to find sane Conservative thought on this whole mess. Daniel Larison has been particularly merciless to the GOP loons:

theamericanconservative.com

129 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:10:22am

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

And dumbest woman ever to hold office of any kind.

I don’t know. Michele Bachmann hasn’t retired yet. I could think of a few others as well. The stupid bench is deep on the GOP side.

130 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:11:29am

Also, Bruce Bartlett’s twitter feed has been fantastic too. You don’t get much better conservative credentials than having been a principal architect of Reaganomics, but he’s been ripping into the GOP (“wankers”, as he calls the) like crazy:

twitter.com

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:11:45am

re: #100 ityler

Yeash. Baby word salad troll. Not even as good a word salad as the The Quitter blathers either. Probably not worth the trouble to club.

132 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:12:30am
133 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:13:49am

re: #129 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I don’t know. Michele Bachmann hasn’t retired yet. I could think of a few others as well. The stupid bench is deep on the GOP side.

Eh, there’s a difference between Palin and Bachmann. Palin is abjectly stupid, Bachmann is stupid but also completely insane.

It’s like “Beavis and Butt-head”. Butt-Head was dumber than Beavis, but Beavis was also insane.

134 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:15:07am

Yes there are Glenn. Do you want a list?

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:15:58am

re: #120 lawhawk

Dumber and Dumberer. This much derp in one place should cause a derpocalypse.


That’s right. The constitutional scholar Sarah Palin claims that default is grounds for impeaching the President. Jim Hoft agrees.

Except that it isn’t the President’s job to appropriate. That’s Congress. And the debt ceiling is the flip side of appropriations - to make sure that the full faith and credit of the nation’s debts are met.

That too is on Congress.

If anyone should be impeached, recalled, or thrown out of office, it’s the GOPers who brought us to this point. They’re the ones who used the shutdown and default as leverage to demand the end to Obamacare - a program that creates health exchanges so people can get access to affordable health insurance. It creates a new marketplace - the opposite of socialism. It creates a program that’s based on the ideas first spouted by the Heritage Foundation and other GOPers.

But facts and logic don’t matter to the derpers. It just feels right to claim that this is an impeachable offense.

And, if Obama unilaterally acts to avoid impeachment (citing the 14th Amendment) it is grounds for impeachment as well. Obama’s entire run has been “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” with these people - doesn’t matter what decisions he makes it will be the “wrong” one.

Same thing with the bomb-tossing sportswriters every city has. Any decision can be twisted to be wrong and then the columns essentially write themselves.

136 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:16:33am

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

Yes there are Glenn. Do you want a list?

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You could start with Russia and Brazil, just off the top of your head.

137 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:17:40am

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

Russia
Brazil
China
;)

138 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:18:02am

re: #136 Justanotherhuman

You could start with Russia and Brazil, just off the top of your head.

Pshaw!

139 Egregious Philbin  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:20:21am

Drink your warm milk Pat, and try to remember the last time you were relevant…

140 simoom  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:21:01am

Bloc of 20?… They allowed all this chaos because they were running scared from just 20 of their House brethren?

141 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:21:04am

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

Yes there are Glenn. Do you want a list?

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Does Cuba not count as a “western” nation? Glenn’s not even trying anymore.

The whole list is right here:

en.rsf.org

142 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:21:06am

re: #138 Varek Raith

Pshaw!

[dudebro] Glenn said WESTERN NATION people!! He is too smart for all of you drooling Obamabots! [/dudebro]

143 ityler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:23:12am

RE: #108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Obamacare is NOT popular with many segments of the American public.

Let’s start with doctors: According to a new survey recently released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA), a nationwide physicians group dedicated to maintaining and protecting individualized care for all patients, 83 percent of private physicians have considered calling it quits Surveying nearly 700 doctors from at least 45 U.S. states, most doctors believe that the transition from privatized care to government-run care [remember: many coverage details in the offerings on the exchanges are required by Obamacare] will further erode the quality of healthcare in America.

Then, there’s small business: The U.S. Chamber’s most recent quarterly small business survey shows similar concern - opposition to Obamacare has increased by 10 points since June 2011 and by four points since just last quarter. 71% report that the health care law makes it more difficult to hire.

If only half the recent surveys are true, the results still are telling. Obamacare supporters can’t disparage every survey result they don’t like - that would be dishonest.

144 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:23:51am

Best comment in the Daily Kos diary about Glenn Greenwald’s new GreenBay gig:

not only(14+ / 0-)
could this take new media to the next level, it could take it to a level unprecedented by any mass media. as in redefining paradigms. safe to say, these reporters and commentators will not be embedded or in bed with anyone.

oh brother
(bolded by me)

145 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:24:33am

Time to go make New Jersey as Tea Bag free as possible.

146 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:25:10am

re: #140 simoom

If Costa’s reports are true (and I trust him more than just about anyone with inside scoops on the GOP’s thoughts), then the GOP is not just defeated, but completely demoralized too, and running scared. It’s not the Confederates in 1863. It’s the Iraqis in 1991.

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:25:28am

re: #143 ityler

If only half the recent surveys are true, the results still are telling. Obamacare supporters can’t disparage every survey result they don’t like - that would be dishonest.

If only two thirds of the branches of government had passed, signed or upheld the ACA, then it would have failed.

But all three did.

148 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:26:57am

re: #143 ityler

RE: #108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Obamacare is NOT popular with many segments of the American public.

Let’s start with doctors: According to a new survey recently released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA), a nationwide physicians group dedicated to maintaining and protecting individualized care for all patients, 83 percent of private physicians have considered calling it quits Surveying nearly 700 doctors from at least 45 U.S. states, most doctors believe that the transition from privatized care to government-run care [remember: many coverage details in the offerings on the exchanges are required by Obamacare] will further erode the quality of healthcare in America.

Then, there’s small business: The U.S. Chamber’s most recent quarterly small business survey shows similar concern - opposition to Obamacare has increased by 10 points since June 2011 and by four points since just last quarter. 71% report that the health care law makes it more difficult to hire.

If only half the recent surveys are true, the results still are telling. Obamacare supporters can’t disparage every survey result they don’t like - that would be dishonest.

DPMA is an ALEC-linked astroturf shop formed to fight ACA. But you know that.

sourcewatch.org

149 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:27:00am

re: #143 ityler

71% report that the health care law makes it more difficult to hire.

Do you think a default, run on stocks, treasuries, and the dollar would make it more difficult to hire?

If small business wants better business conditions, supporting the GOP is the last thing they should be doing.

150 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:27:27am

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

It all comes to impeachment for “presidenting while black.”

Make as much trouble for the economy and nation - for everyone - and have the GOP blame Obama for all that goes wrong.

We see media outlets and pundits claiming that if only the President showed more leadership, this could be avoided. Nonsense. The GOP isn’t listening to the President. Heck, they’re not even listening to their leadership or senior members. They want Obama and Obamacare gone, and are going to default if they don’t get their way. They refuse a clean CR or clean debt limit hike, even though they profess to want to protect the nation’s credit.

But in the end, the shutdown and default play into the TP/GOP’s intentions to destroy Obama by any means necessary, and if takes out the economy at the same time, oh well. Collateral damage and making omelets and all that.

151 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:27:42am
152 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:27:54am

re: #143 ityler

Only those living in the FOX news echo chamber.

Remember how a certain major Republican player refused to believe the real numbers coming out from Ohio because he’d believed the lies they were spinning? The next election will have much more of the same for the GOP and I will be dancing a jig of joy in the rain shower of their disappointed tears.

153 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:27:58am

re: #145 Mattand

154 simoom  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:28:09am

re: #144 b.d.

Best comment in the Daily Kos diary about Glenn Greenwald’s new GreenBay gig:

not only(14+ / 0-)

could this take new media to the next level, it could take it to a level unprecedented by any mass media. as in redefining paradigms. safe to say, these reporters and commentators will not be embedded or in bed with anyone.

I’m kind of expecting that “level” to be some unholy amalgam of Reason and InfoWars.

155 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:28:28am

Oh brother.

156 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:28:38am

re: #143 ityler

RE: #108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Let’s start with doctors: According to a new survey recently released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA), a nationwide physicians group dedicated to maintaining and protecting individualized care for all patients,
If only half the recent surveys are true, the results still are telling. Obamacare supporters can’t disparage every survey result they don’t like - that would be dishonest.

Well, I’m convinced.

From Media Matters:

Media Matters: Doctor Patient Medical Association

The Doctor Patient Medical Association’s founder, Kathryn Serkes, is a long-time veteran of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a collection of crackpot malcontents that opposes mandatory vaccinations, wrongly believes undocumented immigrants spread leprosy, and dabbled in Vince Foster conspiracy theorism. The group itself is solidly conservative in its politics: it boasts membership in the National Tea Party Federation; describes the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act as “Destruction Of Our Medicine,” or DOOM; and published a sheet of talking points about the health law to help grassroots activists “beat back the White House spin machine!”

157 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:28:40am

re: #141 Ian G.

Does Cuba not count as a “western” nation? Glenn’s not even trying anymore.

The whole list is right here:

en.rsf.org

108 Brazil 32,75 -9 (99)

148 Russia 43,42 -6 (142)

Waaay below both the UK (29) and the US (32).

158 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:29:29am

re: #156 BongCrodny

Rofl.

159 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:29:55am

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

Yup. That was Karl Rove. Who should have known better. Same with Dick Morris. These guys know about campaigns and winning elections, and yet they’ve let their hateraid blind them to facts and logic. That makes them damaged goods and yet they continue to hang around getting paid big bucks for spouting opinions that pile on to bullshit mountain.

160 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:31:13am

re: #143 ityler

The DPMA? Seriously, dude? A regular here tried citing that AstroTurf study last year. I’ve never seen a claim so quickly debunked in my life.

161 ityler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:32:48am

re: #120 lawhawk

The American people overwhelmingly rejects Obamacare - the GOP House remaining adamant in their opposition to Obamacare is actually responding to the will of the people. The omnibus funding bill that the President and the Democratic Senate are defending in order to save Obamacare is not the way government was funded for its first two centuries. The piecemeal government funding bills that have been sent to the Senate by the House is the traditional way government has been funded. The American people are being falsely fed the Presidential lie that the GOP House is obstructionist but it is the President and the Senate who are holding hostage the normal funding process. The President and the Democratic Senate actually are the ones holding holding the budget process hostage by refusing to admit that Obamacare is highly flawed and should be addressed outside of the government funding issue. The GOP and independent groups (including myself) have offered and continue to offer better health care solutions to the problems Obamacare was supposedly created to address.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:33:03am

Did anyone hear about the latest oral flatulence from George Will?

americablog.com

Avoid default by not paying SS and cutting Medicare for the rest…

I can’t help but wonder if he secretly wants every GOP congresscritter lynched by the horde of pensioners that would descend upon Washington if that happened.

163 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:33:47am

re: #140 simoom

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Bloc of 20?… They allowed all this chaos because they were running scared from just 20 of their House brethren?

Pathetic.

164 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:34:44am

re: #161 ityler

Are you the intern who runs Steve Stockman’s Twitter feed?

165 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:35:31am

re: #140 simoom

And this last bit goes back to what I’ve been saying. There’s no one else who could be Speaker besides Boehner, who’s already shown himself to be at one with the extortionist wing. He too is an extortionist by parading that position since July.

Let’s be clear - he had a deal with the Senate in July that he destroyed because he joined with those “20” and decided to take the nation on a roller coaster ride from hell. Destroy nation’s credit. Submarine the economy. All to eliminate a program that simply can’t be eliminated by extortion - it couldn’t get out of Senate, let alone survive a WH veto. But they wanted those votes to happen b/c they thought it would put the onus on the President.

The Democrats foiled this nonsense by standing together.

It also revealed the GOP for what they are - craven loons who put politics above national security and economic health.

166 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:37:05am

What a shitbag Prudence is.

167 ityler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:38:04am

re: #109 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Enough empty disparaging of my remarks. Make your own statement and back it up with your own supporting arguments. That’s what real debate is about.

168 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:38:55am

re: #154 simoom

I’m kind of expecting that “level” to be some unholy amalgam of Reason and InfoWars.

Another jewel:

I speculated in a comment last night about this that he’d hire Poitras and Scahill for this venture. Other obvious hires would be Robert Scheer[Rand Paul backer] and David Sirota.

They could call the new venture DerpDaily or DudeBroDaily

169 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:39:10am

re: #167 ityler

Enough empty disparaging of my remarks. Make your own statement and back it up with your own supporting arguments. That’s what real debate is about.

We just did that with your bogus DPMA survey.

170 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:39:15am

re: #166 Vicious Babushka

What a shitbag Prudence is.

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A “quote” from someone not named…no doubt Prudence herself, just making shit up.

You got enough nerve to say something like that, have the balls to identify yourself, or are you too much of a scaredy cat?

That’s why it’s unbelievable.

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:39:37am

re: #167 ityler

Sad little troll. Please try harder next time.

172 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:40:27am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

A “quote” from someone not named…no doubt Prudence herself, just making shit up.

You got enough nerve to say something like that, have the balls to identify yourself, or are you too much of a scaredy cat?

That’s why it’s unbelievable.

Prudence is the main source of Fake Quotes on Twitter, so it’s not surprising that this Fake Quote is in her Timeline.

173 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:40:41am

re: #161 ityler

I’ll repeat what I’ve said before - and it’s documented going back to July. From This Week:

STEPHANOPOULOS: But Mr. Speaker, he says — and he said it publicly on many occasions, that you came to him back in July and offered to pass a clean government funding resolution, no Obamacare amendments, that was $70 billion below what the Senate wanted. They accepted it. And now, you’ve reneged on that offer.

BOEHNER: No, clearly there was a conversation about doing this.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Several conversations.

BOEHNER: Several. But—

STEPHANOPOULOS: And you offered a clean resolution.

BOEHNER: But I and my members decided the threat of Obamacare and what was happening was so important that it was time for us to take a stand. And we took a stand.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Did you decide it or was it decided for you?

BOEHNER: I, working with my members, decided to do this in a unified way. George, I have 233 Republicans in the House. And you’ve never seen a more dedicated group of people who are thoroughly concerned about the future of our country. They believe that Obamacare, all these regulations coming out of the administration, are threatening the future for our kids and our grandkids. It is time for us to stand and fight.

All that hemming and hawing doesn’t allow Boehner to escape the fact that Speaker Boehner had a deal with the Senate on a budget in hand. The GOP in the House moved to squander the deal in order to focus on destroying Obamacare.

What part of that do you not get. There was a budget deal in place if the House would have gone with the vote in July. It would have cut spending and given the GOP most of what they were looking for except the holy grail - the elimination of the ACA.

But as for the rest of your post, I’ll leave it to others to fisk. It’s a target rich environment in fact.

Oh, as for the fact that the nation reelected President Obama is proof that they didn’t want it repealed. Mitt Romney’s central policy objective was that he said he’d repeal it. Romney lost.

Only the GOP in the House are hell-bent on repeal, and of that group, it’s the TP that is most fervent in that belief. National polling also shows repeal to be out of favor with most Americans. Only those who are socon/TP/GOP think that repeal is needed.

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:40:52am

re: #166 Vicious Babushka

“So Prudence, have you ever, even accidentally, told the truth? Or only Truth!!!11ty! ?”

175 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:41:41am

re: #161 ityler

I will even agree with you on one point: ACA is flawed. But the alternative to it(namely, the status quo in the lack of any GOP alternative) was a train wreck.

176 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:42:32am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

A “quote” from someone not named…no doubt Prudence herself, just making shit up.

You got enough nerve to say something like that, have the balls to identify yourself, or are you too much of a scaredy cat?

That’s why it’s unbelievable.

Anyone who has ever met a park ranger knows that isn’t the case. Theirs is a job of love, not financial gain. They’re rangers because they get to spend much of their time just enjoying the beauty, and they love sharing the experience with others. Any real park rangers during this period probably sympathized with the tourists, offered suggestions of places to see bordering the park boundary that were equally beautiful, and apologized profusely for the inconvenience.

177 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:44:05am

re: #175 Sol Berdinowitz

I will even agree with you on one point: ACA is flawed. But the alternative to it was a train wreck.

Well, the real alternative is Single Payer but we won’t get there until the next step.

178 Stoatly  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:44:43am

re: #115 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile in Libya:

Libya’s Grand Mufti Wants to Veil Female Teachers

I think we need to heed what Zeidan said, and help Libya. We can’t help Afghanistan, but we can do good in Libya.

US and the West’s history with Libya isn’t too pretty seen from a Libyan’s perspective (gratitude for the intervention in Q’s ouster notwithstanding)
There’s no way to be seen as an honest Actor in internal Libyan affairs by any side

179 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:44:59am

re: #175 Sol Berdinowitz

Indeed. I’d like to know why the insistence is that the ACA has to be destroyed by any means(ANY means, it seems) necessary. Why not amend it to improve it down the line?

180 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:45:04am

There is a new Ark Music Factory (the geniuses who composed Rebecca Black’s “Friday, Friday”) video going viral. It is some little blonde white girl singing about “Chinese Food” with a creepy guy wearing a Panda suit.

AMF caters to rich parents of teenage wannabees and they compose songs to order by asking the teeny bopper wannabee star “What’s your favorite color? What’s your favorite day of the week? What’s your favorite food?” etc. otherwise it would just be a bunch of Miley-clones twerking their little unformed butts off.

181 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:45:25am

re: #177 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, the real alternative is Single Payer but we won’t get there until the next step.

Which will be sooner if the TPGOP links arms and drowns itself in the Potomac.

182 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:45:28am

re: #143 ityler

Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA)

“The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation and the American Grassroots Coalition.”

LOL

183 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:45:34am

re: #161 ityler

Couple of points:

1) Apparently, Democrats garnered a million or so more votes than the GOP in Congressional races last year. The only reason the GOP still has the House is because of the gerrymandering they engaged in.

I know first hand; my town essentially got kicked out of our old district for voting the wrong way.

2) The American people had the chance to elect a POTUS who ran on a platform of repealing the ACA.

AND HE LOST.

3) The GOP took the ACA before the Supreme Court.

AND THEY LOST.

You’re the kind of American that scares the shit out of me; utterly disconnected to reality. Your got your ass kicked, and now you want to destroy the US to punish everyone for not agreeing with you.

No wonder the rest of the civilized world thinks were nuts.

184 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:45:59am

re: #161 ityler

WRR CLICK… THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STRONGLY OPPOSE OBAMACARE … WRR … THE AMERICAN PEOPLE …. WRR CLICK… OBAMACARE … OBAMACARE … WRR … WRR … HELPME HELPME HELPME …

185 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:47:11am
186 ityler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:47:44am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

We’re not talking about the law. We’re talking about the tactics being used to keep the Senate and President from re-examining the law and either changing it for the better ASAP or replacing it.

187 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:47:50am

re: #183 Mattand

Couple of points:

1) Apparently, Democrats garnered a million or so more votes than the GOP in Congressional races last year. The only reason the GOP still has the House is because of the gerrymandering they engaged in.

I know first hand; my town essentially got kicked out of our old district for voting the wrong way.

2) The American people had the chance to elect a POTUS who ran on a platform of repealing the ACA.

AND HE LOST.

3) The GOP took the ACA before the Supreme Court.

AND THEY LOST.

You’re the kind of American that scares the shit out of me; utterly disconnected to reality. Your got your ass kicked, and now you want to destroy the US to punish everyone for not agreeing with you.

No wonder the rest of the civilized world thinks were nuts.

i.e.:

Youtube Video

188 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:48:14am

re: #179 122 Year Old Obama

Indeed. I’d like to know why the insistence is that the ACA has to be destroyed by any means(ANY means, it seems) necessary. Why not amend it to improve it down the line?

Because access to health care is one of the things that ties a person to a job tighter than any other consideration. Especially if there is a “pre-existing condition”. ACA negates that hold on the serfs, hence the companies - walmart, pizza delivery, etc - that most prey on workers have a less of a hold.

Companies with brains that care about something other than short term profit, however, are glad for ACA.

189 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:48:18am

Republicans just. don’t. get. it.

190 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:48:24am

re: #186 ityler

You have no understanding of how government works.

191 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:48:49am

re: #184 Aqua Obama

WRR CLICK… THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STRONGLY OPPOSE OBAMACARE … WRR … THE AMERICAN PEOPLE …. WRR CLICK… OBAMACARE … OBAMACARE … WRR … WRR … HELPME HELPME HELPME …

LOL, ityler is starting to remind me of one of the Motorized Patriots from Bioshock Infinite.

Youtube Video

192 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:49:02am

re: #186 ityler

We’re not talking about the law. We’re talking about the tactics being used to keep the Senate and President from re-examining the law and either changing it for the better ASAP or replacing it.

Where do you get your information from? Name your favorite sources.

193 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:49:11am

re: #190 Varek Raith

You have no understanding of how government works.

Yes he does, but he’s on a mission.

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:49:24am

re: #186 ityler

We’re not talking about the law. We’re talking about the tactics being used to keep the Senate and President from re-examining the law and either changing it for the better ASAP or replacing it.

They have tried to repeal it like 30 times already now, haven’t they? Let them keep trying, but after the government is back up and running.

195 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:49:36am

re: #186 ityler

We’re not talking about the law. We’re talking about the tactics being used to keep the Senate and President from re-examining the law and either changing it for the better ASAP or replacing it.

Fucking Supreme Court; how does it work?

196 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:49:51am

Dow up 80 pts.

U.S. Stocks Rise as Lawmakers Press Toward Debt Agreement

bloomberg.com

Of course, as we see, it’s contingent upon the House insanity abating…

197 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:50:04am

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

There is a new Ark Music Factory (the geniuses who composed Rebecca Black’s “Friday, Friday”) video going viral. It is some little blonde white girl singing about “Chinese Food” with a creepy guy wearing a Panda suit.

AMF caters to rich parents of teenage wannabees and they compose songs to order by asking the teeny bopper wannabee star “What’s your favorite color? What’s your favorite day of the week? What’s your favorite food?” etc. otherwise it would just be a bunch of Miley-clones twerking their little unformed butts off.

I watched it yesterday. That song is so horrible it makes ‘Friday’ sound like Beethoven’s Fifth.

That guy at Ark oughta be ashamed of himself. But as long as rich parents pony up dough to make their kid a YouTube sensation for 10 minutes, he’ll have a gig.

198 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:51:27am
199 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:51:46am

re: #190 Varek Raith

You have no understanding of how government works.

Actually, he has no idea of how a democratic republic, or a representational govt, works.

200 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:52:21am

re: #197 makeitstop

I watched it yesterday. That song is so horrible it makes ‘Friday’ sound like Beethoven’s Fifth.

That guy at Ark oughta be ashamed of himself. But as long as rich parents pony up dough to make their kid a YouTube sensation for 10 minutes, he’ll have a gig.

The guy at Ark has identified a target market and is providing a service that people will pay for. He has never claimed to be an artist or have any creative talent.

201 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:53:18am

re: #198 darthstar

Want to see the ink dry. Then the blood flow.

202 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:54:29am

Here we come,
walking down the street
We get the funniest looks from
everyone we meet.

203 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:54:40am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

The guy at Ark has identified a target market and is providing a service that people will pay for. He has never claimed to be an artist or have any creative talent.

All true.

But, geeze. If the lyrics take up a full line with a sentiment like ‘I’m getting so so so so hungry’ (actual lyric), you gotta conclude the guy is just mailing it in at this point.

204 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:55:18am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Want to see the ink dry. Then the blood flow.

They’ll lick their wounds for two days then pretend the whole thing never happened so they can prepare to do this again in two months or so.

205 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:56:15am
206 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:57:14am

re: #204 darthstar

They’ll lick their wounds for two days then pretend the whole thing never happened so they can prepare to do this again in two months or so.

Keep telling myself they can’t be that stupid. Then myself just snickers and reads aloud from Freep.

207 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:57:51am

My own scientifically-valid poll of four teabaggers, two sovereign citizens, the survivalist down the street and the creepy guy with the camera who hangs out in front of the school shows that 100% of Americans are opposed to Obamacare.

208 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:59:07am

re: #207 BongCrodny

My own scientifically-valid poll of four teabaggers, two sovereign citizens, the survivalist down the street and the creepy guy with the camera who hangs out in front of the school shows that 100% of Americans are opposed to Obamacare.

Stop by for a drink the next time you’re on my block.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:00:16am

re: #207 BongCrodny

My own scientifically-valid poll of four teabaggers, two sovereign citizens, the survivalist down the street and the creepy guy with the camera who hangs out in front of the school shows that 100% of Americans are opposed to Obamacare.

How do they feel about the ACA Act as compared to it?
/

210 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:00:22am

Well, duh!

Jeremy Scahill, Laura Poitras Teaming Up With Glenn Greenwald On New Media Venture

huffingtonpost.com

Has Scahill established residence outside the US now, too?

211 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:01:28am
212 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:01:40am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

The guy at Ark has identified a target market and is providing a service that people will pay for. He has never claimed to be an artist or have any creative talent.

Seriously, more power to him. He’s just making a buck off of the vain/stupid/rich people out there for whom 15 minutes of fame is the ultimate goal in life.

213 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:03:22am

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

I can’t wait for the GOP civil war. Anyone visit RedState or Twitchy lately? How much Dolchstoß screaming is there about how Boehner has sold them out?

214 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:03:39am
215 ityler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:04:12am

re: #149 Ian G.

Stop painting the issue as Obamacare -vs- default. That’s bogus. Default won’t happen - only a reallocation of expenditures will happen if there’s no debt limit agreement. The real issue is either to leave Obamacare as it is -or- fix it ASAP -or- replace it with a better plan ASAP. Addressing Obamacare should be independent of the budget issue.

216 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:04:19am

re: #210 Justanotherhuman

Well, duh!

Jeremy Scahill, Laura Poitras Teaming Up With Glenn Greenwald On New Media Venture

huffingtonpost.com

Has Scahill established residence outside the US now, too?

They’ve all taken up secret residence together.

Image: clubhouse.JPG

Mom! We’re out of Sunny Delight!

217 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:04:33am

re: #213 Ian G.

I can’t wait for the GOP civil war. Anyone visit RedState or Twitchy lately? How much Dolchstoß screaming is there about how Boehner has sold them out?

La Dolchstoß vita!

218 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:05:26am

re: #215 ityler

Stop painting the issue as Obamacare -vs- default. That’s bogus. Default won’t happen - only a reallocation of expenditures will happen if there’s no debt limit agreement. The real issue is either to leave Obamacare as it is -or- fix it ASAP -or- replace it with a better plan ASAP. Addressing Obamacare should be independent of the budget issue.

Any suggestions or links for that better plan to replace it, or reasonable “fix” items to start with?

219 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:05:32am

re: #215 ityler

Stop painting the issue as Obamacare -vs- default. That’s bogus. Default won’t happen - only a reallocation of expenditures will happen if there’s no debt limit agreement. The real issue is either to leave Obamacare as it is -or- fix it ASAP -or- replace it with a better plan ASAP. Addressing Obamacare should be independent of the budget issue.

Have you conveyed your concerns to Speaker Boehner?

220 ityler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:07:38am

re: #147 Sol Berdinowitz

Yes, technically they followed legal procedures. But don’t tell me that “pass the bill and then we’ll find out what’s in it” is laudable in your eyes.

221 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:07:45am

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

Must prepare my bottling and capping set for another shower of wingnut tears. Going to try to lay by a carbonated version this time.

222 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:08:40am

Man, this troll is so deep inside the bubble, you couldn’t pull him out with a winch.

Good little dupe. Hope you’re getting paid minimum wage for all your bleating.

223 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:09:51am

re: #222 makeitstop

Man, this troll is so deep inside the bubble, you couldn’t pull him out with a winch.

Good little dupe. Hope you’re getting paid minimum wage for all your bleating.

I think it’s Steve Stockman’s unpaid intern.

224 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:10:16am

re: #220 ityler

Yes, technically they followed legal procedures. But don’t tell me that “pass the bill and then we’ll find out what’s in it” is laudable in your eyes.

We don’t expect lawmakers to actually read what lobbyists print in the bills they present to them in payment of campaign contribution debt now, do we?

225 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:11:05am

STOP PAINTING THE ISSUE THE WAY IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS YOU DISHONEST LIBRULS

226 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:11:25am

re: #220 ityler

Yes, technically they followed legal procedures. But don’t tell me that “pass the bill and then we’ll find out what’s in it” is laudable in your eyes.

The bill is only 200 pages long if you publish it in paperback book format. Not 2700 pages of double-spaced with logos and crap. Totally readable in an afternoon.

227 Teukka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:11:35am

re: #222 makeitstop

Man, this troll is so deep inside the bubble, you couldn’t pull him out with a winch.

Good little dupe. Hope you’re getting paid minimum wage for all your bleating.

Sadly, they tend to be unpaid interns and volunteers indoctrinated in the belief that “our” side rips them new ones in various internet forums because we are paid well.

It hasn’t occurred to them yet that they might be epically wrong on a great many things. But when it does, it will be the rude awakening of the millennium.

228 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:12:10am

re: #215 ityler

Stop painting the issue as Obamacare -vs- default. That’s bogus. Default won’t happen - only a reallocation of expenditures will happen if there’s no debt limit agreement. The real issue is either to leave Obamacare as it is -or- fix it ASAP -or- replace it with a better plan ASAP. Addressing Obamacare should be independent of the budget issue.

Yes, addressing Obamacare should be independent of the budget issue. So why are the Jacobin clowns in the GOP unwilling to re-open government and raise the debt ceiling again? Do they even know?

229 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:12:41am
230 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:13:48am

re: #224 Sol Berdinowitz

We don’t expect lawmakers to actually read what lobbyists print in the bills they present to them in payment of campaign contribution debt now, do we?

Major bills are assembled (mostly from boilerplate) by teams of specialists to be read by other teams of specialists. If you have ever read a Defense Authorization act cover-to-cover, you are the only one.

231 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:14:17am

TEH WORSTEST SUFFERING OF TEH SHUTDOWN WAS SUFFERED BY ARE HERO VETS WHO COULD NOT GET IN TO THEY’RE MEMORIELS!!!1!!!!! THAT IS WORSER SUFFERING THEN SLAVERY & TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!11!!!!

232 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:14:46am

re: #229 darthstar

Issa addressing the important things: not the dollar as the world reserve currency, the safety of treasuries, the ability of poor people to eat, food inspections, disease control, etc.

Nope, the important thing is whether (rich, GOP) retirees can take the RV to Yosemite this weekend.

233 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:15:34am

So since Boehner has called for a vote does that mean we’re pretty much in the clear or could the GOP crazy bloc still kill it if they wanted to?

234 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:16:18am

Though apparently, the good news is that the LGFs is such a fearsome force that some ALEC shill is compelled to post here.

PH34R TEH CHARLES WITH GR8 PH34R

235 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:16:58am

re: #233 Eclectic Cyborg

So since Boehner has called for a vote does that mean we’re pretty much in the clear or could. The GOP crazy bloc still kill it if they wanted to?

Cruz and company could still do something stupid in the Senate, and Boehner could drink himself into a premature stupor.

236 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:17:30am

re: #233 Eclectic Cyborg

So since Boehner has called for a vote does that mean we’re pretty much in the clear or could the GOP crazy bloc still kill it if they wanted to?

It’s not the crazy bloc I worry about, it’s the “moderates” who may get cold feet and decide that the deal’s not “good enough” to risk primary challenges over. No, the worst the crazies can do now is just delay the inevitable, and that will only damage their party further.

237 ityler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:18:11am

re: #226 darthstar

Bills that long (200 pages IS long) can’t be only read. They need to be examined and thought out. They must be searched for unintended consequences, mistakes, conflicts, impact immediate and future, etc. No responsible lawmaker can do that in an afternoon’s “read”. And, if you remember, many lawmakers publicly stated that they voted without having had a chance to examine the law - just as Nancy Pelosi said she wanted it to be.

238 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:19:22am

Damn…great editorial

239 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:20:42am

re: #237 ityler

It was examined.
Try again.

241 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:22:10am
242 kerFuFFler  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:22:57am

re: #167 ityler

Enough empty disparaging of my remarks. Make your own statement and back it up with your own supporting arguments. That’s what real debate is about.

OK, the only reason that Obamacare is as “unpopular” as it is is that too many people believe the lies about it———like the “death panels”. Also, some of the people polled disapprove of Obamacare because it is too right-wing in flavor; they would prefer single-payer. It is intellectually dishonest to combine the numbers of the lefties with those of the righties as far as their objection to Obamacare goes because they would both like to change it in opposite ways.

243 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:23:07am

re: #237 ityler

CBO examined it, scored it.

244 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:23:53am

re: #237 ityler

Bills that long (200 pages IS long) can’t be only read. They need to be examined and thought out. They must be searched for unintended consequences, mistakes, conflicts, impact immediate and future, etc. No responsible lawmaker can do that in an afternoon’s “read”. And, if you remember, many lawmakers publicly stated that they voted without having had a chance to examine the law - just as Nancy Pelosi said she wanted it to be.

That isn’t even close to what Pelosi actually meant.

I’ll bet you’re a “57 states” kind of guy.

245 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:24:44am

re: #237 ityler

There’s just so much nonsense packed into that claim that it defies description. Unless you’re now claiming that Congress can’t understand its appropriations process either (since those are large bills that reference still other existing legislation and programs) that you can’t sit through and parse it.

Fact is, that there are a lot of people who have read through the PPACA and its implications, from the tax side to the health policy side. They include folks at the IRS and even at the Supreme Court. They ruled the central forward facing part constitutional - the individual mandate btw.

As for unintended consequences, it was a GOPer who trolled Congress by inserting a provision that would screw Congressional employees. That was Chuck Grassley, a GOPer, who now blames Democrats for drafting error that would increase health care costs to those employees. The OPM ruled that it would treat the subsidy as continuing, but another GOPer, David Vitter has kept coming back with a proposal to overrule the OPM and hike health care costs for the folks that work for Republicans like Vitter and Grassley (and all Congress members).

246 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:24:49am

re: #243 darthstar

CBO examined it, scored it.

We only accept numbers from the Westboro Baptist Church

247 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:26:04am


That means it’s time to walk the dogs.

248 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:28:35am

Well I must say I am surprised. I really thought the GOP were prepared to go full on default this time.

249 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:28:50am

re: #243 darthstar

Multiple times in fact. And they continue to do so each year - at the request of Congress.

And each version of the legislation as it was being drafted was scored as well.

Months of debate, hearings, and it was enacted into law.

Followed by years of litigation, culminating in the Supreme Court upholding.

Concurrently, 40+ attempts to repeal, delay, or defund. All of which failed.

That left the same folks with the only option they hadn’t tried - extortion.

Give up the ACA or the economy gets it. First with the shutdown, and then with the debt ceiling.

And that too has failed - rightfully so as no party should ever have the right or ability to use this as the GOP has done - extortion.

250 sagehen  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:29:43am

re: #167 ityler

Enough empty disparaging of my remarks. Make your own statement and back it up with your own supporting arguments. That’s what real debate is about.

We had an election less than a year ago.

The presidential candidate who ran on implementing the ACA got 5 million more votes than the presidential candidate who ran on repealing it.

The Senate candidates who ran on implementing the ACA got 2 million more votes than the Senate candidates who ran on repealing it.

The House candidates who ran on implementing the ACA got 1.7 million more votes than the House candidates who ran on repealing it.

This is how we measure the will of the people.

251 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:30:05am


Oops.

Killgore?

//

252 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:34:57am

It looks like ityler is getting all of its talking points from Prudence’s Twitter feed.

253 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:36:09am

re: #247 darthstar

It ain’t over ‘til it’s over.

254 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:37:00am

re: #247 darthstar

I wish the colossal fail that was this GOP assault on ACA had only hurt their brand (and, of course, it did), but there will be lasting collateral damage to the economy.

I wonder how much better the US economy would be performing if we hadn’t had a GOP Congress since January 2011…..

255 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:38:20am

re: #220 ityler

Yes, technically they followed legal procedures. But don’t tell me that “pass the bill and then we’ll find out what’s in it” is laudable in your eyes.

BZZZZTTTTT!!! WRONG!!!!

The Senate bill that forms the basis of the ACA was available online for THREE MONTHS before the House passed it. There is no excuse for lying about that.

Better trolls, please

256 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:38:36am
257 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:39:50am

re: #256 Vicious Babushka

Which one? Which variety??

258 brennant  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:41:15am

re: #256 Vicious Babushka

This is good news.

What an epic waste of time and money.

259 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:42:13am
260 sagehen  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:45:08am

TPM finds historical parallel to this set of budget shenanigans:

talkingpointsmemo.com

In 1879, the Democrats threatened to defund the federal government unless Republican President Rutherford B. Hayes repealed laws protecting the right of freed slaves to vote against the use of terror and violence by groups like the Ku Klux Klan.

261 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:45:45am
262 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:46:30am

re: #215 ityler

Stop painting the issue as Obamacare -vs- default. That’s bogus. Default won’t happen - only a reallocation of expenditures will happen if there’s no debt limit agreement.

In other words, while the US could pay the interest on its debt, it would have to choose whether to pay Medicare providers, or Social Security beneficiaries, or soldiers, or contractors whose payrolls depend on being paid for their work.

Tell me how this ‘reallocation of expenditures’, essentially taking 4% of GDP out of the economy in an instant, would not result in an immediate, deep recession.

The real issue is either to leave Obamacare as it is -or- fix it ASAP -or- replace it with a better plan ASAP. Addressing Obamacare should be independent of the budget issue.

If only a Republican think tank had come up with a plan for healthcare reform that was based in taking advantage of the free market to reduce the cost of insuring folks with preexisitng conditions by spreading them over a larger pool, by requiring everyone to have health insurance, since everyone is already unavoidably in that market…

Oh, yeah, they did. It’s called the Affordable Care Act, a Republican healthcare reform plan, passed by the House and Senate, and declared Constitutional by the Supreme Court.

263 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:46:37am
264 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:46:40am

re: #247 darthstar

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That means it’s time to walk the dogs.

So Boehner takes the deal worked out in the Senate, slaps a House number on it, and passes it with mostly Dem votes. Then it gets sent to the Senate, where the odds that Cruz or Lee could pull off a successful filibuster are virtually nil, pass this puppy with a quick vote, and then off to the White House for signature.

And like that, something that could have ended two weeks ago will likely be over in a day. Congrats, GOP, you dragged yourselves over broken glass and tar for NOTHING!

265 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:47:02am

Waiting for the fat lady to sing.

266 brennant  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:48:05am

re: #264 Targetpractice

The party of fecal responsibility.

Er, fiscal.

267 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:48:09am

My cold is worse now. My head is throbbing, and I have the voice of a kitten right now in volume. And with the exception of my sight my senses feel funny.

Wish I had a person to be there. Except then they would get sick, and I would feel bad about that.

268 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:49:25am

re: #260 sagehen

TPM finds historical parallel to this set of budget shenanigans:

talkingpointsmemo.com

Yeah, and the instigators lost control of the House in the next election.

269 erik_t  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:50:24am

re: #268 Aqua Obama

Yeah, and the instigators lost control of the House in the next election.

Please sweet baby Jesus.

It’s no sure thing, but it’s fantastically more likely than it was a month ago.

270 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:51:48am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

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Good, they deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule for this stunt in the first place.

271 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:53:37am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

The guy at Ark has identified a target market and is providing a service that people will pay for. He has never claimed to be an artist or have any creative talent.

While I agree with what you are saying…music has always been considered part of the arts. So, the guy and the people producing this stuff fall under that arts category.

But, there has always been all kinds of bad art. The big problem today is so much bad art gets mainstreamed and once it gets into the public touted as having over 1,000,000 viral hits it then gets mistaken for being popular and popular gets misconstrued as being good.

The nice thing…I can still turn it off. And laugh.

272 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:54:12am

On that happy note, I gotta get some work done. BBL

273 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 7:55:55am

re: #272 Targetpractice

On that happy note, I gotta get some work done. BBL

What you said…:)

274 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:03:22am

re: #271 ObserverArt

While I agree with what you are saying…music has always been considered part of the arts. So, the guy and the people producing this stuff fall under that arts category.

But, there has always been all kinds of bad art. The big problem today is so much bad art gets mainstreamed and once it gets into the public touted as having over 1,000,000 viral hits it then gets mistaken for being popular and popular gets misconstrued as being good.

The nice thing…I can still turn it off. And laugh.

Case in point: that ‘What Does The Fox Say’ song is now north of 120 million views on YouTube.

To the artists’ credit, though - they openly admit that the song is stupid, and are kind of embarrassed that it’s gotten so big.

275 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:03:57am

re: #267 ProTARDISLiberal

My cold is worse now. My head is throbbing, and I have the voice of a kitten right now in volume. And with the exception of my sight my senses feel funny.

Wish I had a person to be there. Except then they would get sick, and I would feel bad about that.

Take a nap and hit the OJ. Stay well.

276 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:03:58am

re: #272 Targetpractice

On that happy note, I gotta get some work done. BBL

Work? I remember that…..

277 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:04:54am

re: #274 makeitstop

Case in point: that ‘What Does The Fox Say’ song is now north of 120 million views on YouTube.

To the artists’ credit, though - they openly admit that the song is stupid, and are kind of embarrassed that it’s gotten so big.

It doesn’t help when popular media sites like Gawker feature this crap as OMG WORST SONG EVER!!! in order to get people to hate-watch it.

279 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:06:40am

re: #262 Assless ChapJockey

In other words, while the US could pay the interest on its debt, it would have to choose whether to pay Medicare providers, or Social Security beneficiaries, or soldiers, or contractors whose payrolls depend on being paid for their work.

Tell me how this ‘reallocation of expenditures’, essentially taking 4% of GDP out of the economy in an instant, would not result in an immediate, deep recession.

If only a Republican think tank had come up with a plan for healthcare reform that was based in taking advantage of the free market to reduce the cost of insuring folks with preexisitng conditions by spreading them over a larger pool, by requiring everyone to have health insurance, since everyone is already unavoidably in that market…

Oh, yeah, they did. It’s called the Affordable Care Act, a Republican healthcare reform plan, passed by the House and Senate, and declared Constitutional by the Supreme Court.

I haven’t had the stomach to ask someone who voted for Romney why they would vote for a guy who championed mandated insurance. Partly because one or both of us would reenact that scene from Scanners

Youtube Video

280 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:07:02am

re: #277 Vicious Babushka

It doesn’t help when popular media sites like Gawker feature this crap as OMG WORST SONG EVER!!! in order to get people to hate-watch it.

Everyone hate-watched “Friday” too. Hathos is a big driver of internet traffic, apparently.

281 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:07:38am

re: #278 makeitstop

Not that it’ll make much difference, but…

The Houston Chronicle has yanked its endorsement of Sen. Ted Cruz, the Teahadist architect of the government shutdown aimed at defunding Obamacare, which led to nearly one million Americans losing their jobs.

Yeah he’s not up for re-election for another five years.

282 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:08:21am

re: #280 Ian G.

Everyone hate-watched “Friday” too. Hathos is a big driver of internet traffic, apparently.

I always preferred Bad Lip Reading’s version.

Youtube Video

283 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:08:33am


Just. Try. It!

284 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:08:42am

re: #279 Mattand

I haven’t had the stomach to ask someone who voted for Romney why they would vote for a guy who championed mandated insurance. Partly because one or both of us would reenact that scene from Scanners

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Their answer for that would be that that was okay, because it was the STATE doing it, not the Federal Government. I know it doesn’t make any sense, but it covers their cognitive dissonance.

285 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:09:19am

re: #278 makeitstop

Not that it’ll make much difference, but…

The Houston Chronicle has yanked its endorsement of Sen. Ted Cruz, the Teahadist architect of the government shutdown aimed at defunding Obamacare, which led to nearly one million Americans losing their jobs.

“Yeah, sorry about saying you should hire that arsonist to guard the gasoline station.”

Fuck you, Houston Chronicle. You knew goddamn well what you were endorsing.

286 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:09:22am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Yeah he’s not up for re-election for another five years.

But the Senate is a very etiquette-driven club. He’s finished as an effective force there for violating all the norms and common decency. He’ll have desk facing the wall with a dunce cap on it once this is all over.

287 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:09:39am

re: #279 Mattand

I haven’t had the stomach to ask someone who voted for Romney why they would vote for a guy who championed mandated insurance. Partly because one or both of us would reenact that scene from Scanners

I recall that moment in the Presidential debates when Mitt was asked to explain why he is against ACA although it is identical to his health care initiative.

he explained that while his version was passed with bipartisan support, ACA was “forced on the nation” by a Democratic congress.

In other words, it was poopy because they were all acting like poopyheads and pooped all over it.

288 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:09:59am

re: #283 Aqua Obama

Please proceed.

289 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:10:09am

Cruz was the best thing that ever happened to Rand Paul.

290 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:11:00am

re: #287 Sol Berdinowitz

I recall that moment in the Presidential debates when Mitt was asked to explain why he is against ACA although it is identical to his health care initiative.

he explained that while his version was passed with bipartisan support, ACA was “forced on the nation” by a Democratic congress.

In other words, it was poopy because they were all acting like poopyheads and pooped all over it.

I suppose one could make the federalist argument that it’s OK for the states to implement it but not the federal government. It would have been a weak argument, but a better one than screaming about death panels and Marxism.

291 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:11:34am

re: #283 Aqua Obama

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Just. Try. It!

Nearly 80% of the country hates them now. Trying to impeach Obama would move them solidly into single digits.

Please proceed.

292 brennant  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:11:37am

re: #289 Aqua Obama

Cruz was the best thing that ever happened to Rand Paul.

He was the best thing that could happen to ACA and the Democratic Party.

293 Mattand  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:11:55am

re: #287 Sol Berdinowitz

I recall that moment in the Presidential debates when Mitt was asked to explain why he is against ACA although it is identical to his health care initiative.

he explained that while his version was passed with bipartisan support, ACA was “forced on the nation” by a Democratic congress.

In other words, it was poopy because they were all acting like poopyheads and pooped all over it.

Funny how the GOP loves “Majority rules” until they’re on the losing end.

294 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:12:18am

I have to say while I am no fan of libertarianism, Ron Paul’s decision to endorse Ken Cuccinnelli over the Libertarian candidate for governor here shows why Ron Paul is more less a paleo-con than libertarian.

295 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:12:24am


Again with the talk of income verification. What exactly does that mean in context of how people will be able to sign up or be penalized going forward? I’m thinking this hits self-employeds hardest, since theirs is the income that is least able to be checked against other sources (employer data). It’s a move that increases the burden on those who are self-employed.

The GOP demanding this runs against the whole GOP claim that the ACA is unconscionably is burdensome on individuals. Therefore, the GOP is going to add more reporting burdens.

296 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:13:11am

re: #290 Ian G.

I suppose one could make the federalist argument that it’s OK for the states to implement it but not the federal government. It would have been a weak argument, but a better one than screaming about death panels and Marxism.

It still would have left him in a position to explain why it was such a good idea for his own state in the first place.

297 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:13:38am

re: #283 Aqua Obama

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Just. Try. It!

Do they want to be the first group ever to poll negatively? Was not being the most unpopular party since Gallup started polling? Go ahead and try to impeach. You’ll look like the demented fools you are.

298 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:14:15am

re: #285 Mattand

“Yeah, sorry about saying you should hire that arsonist to guard the gasoline station.”

Fuck you, Houston Chronicle. You knew goddamn well what you were endorsing.

Seriously it would be nice if people actually realized that this fanatical anti-government rhetoric is real.

299 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:14:57am

re: #291 makeitstop

Nearly 80% of the country hates them now. Trying to impeach Obama would move them solidly into single digits.

Please proceed.

I mean, at least Democrats tried to bring this up against Bush, the guy was already as popular as burnt toast.

300 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:16:15am

re: #299 Aqua Obama

I mean, at least Democrats tried to bring this up against Bush, the guy was already as popular as burnt toast.

And he may actually have deserved it.

301 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:16:49am

re: #215 ityler

only a reallocation of expenditures will happen if there’s no debt limit agreement.

Let me be frank with you:

Bullshit

There is no mechanism by which the executive branch can pick and choose which bills to pay.

None.

The President must pay all expenditures incurred by the Congress. This was instituted after Watergate as a guard against shenanigans by a Nixon-type schemer.

Also, it is utterly impossible…and I mean no-fucking-way-in-Hell-possible for software to be designed and implemented that would allow the treasury to pick and choose among the one million or so outlays it makes each day by midnight tonight.

That means that bills start falling short very quickly as on average we take in around 80% (give or take) of what we need in taxes. Some days we have enough…and then you have November 1st where everything would fall apart as a bunch of bonds mature and we would not be able to pay for them with that days income.

302 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:17:31am

It feels like a portal to hell is in my sinuses.

303 Petero1818  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:17:40am

re: #283 Aqua Obama

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Just. Try. It!

Focused like a laser on the economy……/

304 Mike Lamb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:17:49am

re: #253 Internet Tough Guy

It ain’t over ‘til it’s over.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

305 Petero1818  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:18:38am

re: #304 Mike Lamb

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

You guys playing cards?

306 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:18:45am

re: #278 makeitstop

Not that it’ll make much difference, but…

The Houston Chronicle has yanked its endorsement of Sen. Ted Cruz, the Teahadist architect of the government shutdown aimed at defunding Obamacare, which led to nearly one million Americans losing their jobs.

[liberal media] We’re really surprised that Ted Cruz turned out to be Ted Cruz after all but what were we to do, endorse a democrat?!?! [/liberal media]

307 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:20:31am

re: #300 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And he may actually have deserved it.

Legally speaking…yeah, he deserved it.

Anybody notice that Bush, Cheney and Rummy are not taking trips overseas? Several countries claim universal jurisdiction on war crimes and they will be watching those three for years to come…

308 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:20:48am

re: #283 Aqua Obama

Just. Try. It!

I don’t think Boehner is that stupid to let a vote on that to reach the floor of the House.

309 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:21:20am

re: #304 Mike Lamb

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

He-111’s had some pretty incredible range I guess.

310 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:24:56am

re: #302 ProTARDISLiberal

It feels like a portal to hell is in my sinuses.

Got to watch out for those daemons of Nurgle….

311 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:26:13am
312 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:27:34am

re: #311 lawhawk

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Yeah I don’t think we’ve seen the last of them.

313 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:28:11am

re: #37 dog philosopher

The authors recount a “darkly amusing” thread on Reddit where web designers are picking through the site’s code and mocking it mercilessly. “They’re loading 11 CSS files and 62 (wat?) JavaScript files on each page, uncompressed and without expires headers,” writes Spektr44. “They have blocks of HTML inexplicably wrapped in script tags. Wtf?”

You know, I’m not sure conservatives have any ground to complain about the code in websites when two of their most popular sites are Free Republic and Drudge Report.

314 Petero1818  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:28:17am

Trying hard to understand why the GOP thinks another shut down on December 15 is going to serve their cause. Nothing people like more than being furloughed as the holidays approach so their kids have to go without presents. That should improve their polling.

315 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:30:25am

I am still interested to see what Cruz does today. If he bows to unanimous consent then he’s proved he’s all hat and no cattle. If he doesn’t then, as the figure head of the tea party, he basically screws the republicans big time.

316 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:30:35am

re: #314 Petero1818

Trying hard to understand why the GOP thinks another shut down on December 15 is going to serve their cause. Nothing people like more than being furloughed as the holidays approach so their kids have to go without presents. That should improve their polling.

Because they are delusional fuckwits.

317 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:31:30am

To add to that, he would lose the base of his support if he does nothing. I also wonder if McConnell has the stones and sway to tell Cruz, Lee and their cronies to sit down and shut up.

318 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:31:35am

re: #314 Petero1818

Trying hard to understand why the GOP thinks another shut down on December 15 is going to serve their cause. Nothing people like more than being furloughed as the holidays approach so their kids have to go without presents. That should improve their polling.

They don’t think. That’s the problem.

319 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:33:42am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

They don’t think. That’s the problem.

I have analyzed the brain waves of a typical tea bagger:

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA DONUT OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

320 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:33:44am

re: #311 lawhawk

@hblodget Assuming facts not in evidence. No evidence that GOP is embarrassed by this, or that TP wont be back at this for next deadline

But there is evidence that they will try this again.

Conservative lawmakers appeared resigned to passage of the Senate agreement on Wednesday and were already turning their attention to the next fiscal deadline.

“If we have to wait and fight those issues later, that may be where this is headed,” said Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio). “We think this argument is a powerful one, and we will continue to make it.”

Read more: thehill.com

321 Petero1818  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:34:24am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

They don’t think. That’s the problem.

These aren’t the droids you are looking for…..

322 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:34:42am

re: #319 Aqua Obama

I have analyzed the brain waves of a typical tea bagger:

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA BENGHAZI OBAMA DONUT OBAMA OBAMA BENGHAZI OBAMA

323 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:36:04am
324 Petero1818  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:36:18am

re: #319 Aqua Obama

I have analyzed the brain waves of a typical tea bagger:

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA DONUT OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

I think this is unfair to donuts.

325 calochortus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:36:31am

re: #302 ProTARDISLiberal

Sympathy upding. I do not actually endorse having your sinuses feel that way.

326 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:36:41am

re: #322 Vicious Babushka

And: IRS

327 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:36:57am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

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I’m grateful daily that the only way Mitt Romney gets to visit the WH is on a tour bus.

328 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:38:05am

re: #319 Aqua Obama

I have analyzed the brain waves of a typical tea bagger:

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA DONUT OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

Like so:

Image: D701w.jpg

329 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:38:44am

re: #319 Aqua Obama

I have analyzed the brain waves of a typical tea bagger:

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA DONUT OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

I think for a significant fraction it’s

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA NI&&ER OBAMA OBAMA DONUT OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

330 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:42:20am

re: #319 Aqua Obama

I have analyzed the brain waves of a typical tea bagger:

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA DONUT OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI

FTFY

331 erik_t  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:42:23am

re: #319 Aqua Obama

I have analyzed the brain waves of a typical tea bagger:

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA DONUT OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

Have you got anything without Obama?
Well, there’s Obama egg sausage and Obama, that’s not got much Obama in it.
I don’t want ANY Obama!

332 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:42:56am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

I’m grateful daily that the only way Mitt Romney gets to visit the WH is on a tour bus.

BARRY STOPPED TEH WHITE HOUSE TOURS!!!!!1!!!!1!11!!

333 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:48:21am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

BARRY STOPPED TEH WHITE HOUSE TOURS!!!!!1!!!!1!11!!

Heh. I’m looking forward to MOAR TEARZ when/if Lonegan loses the Senate special election tonight in NJ.

Combined with Boehner’s capitulation, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth tonight in Outer Wingnuttia.

Sweet, sweet schadenfreude.

I know…….I’m bad sometimes.

334 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:51:07am

re: #333 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

but stupidity should be painful and mocked, mercilessly. I personally look forward to the day when they do a “World’s Dumbest: Congressional edition”.

335 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:51:32am

A reminder to those that are actually paying attention that the GOP isn’t going to give up ghost of ACA repeal/defund even past this current crisis:


They’re looking to have a repeat of this in the 2016 general elections too. And until they get the result they are looking for, or destroying the GOP, whichever comes last.

336 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:52:15am

re: #334 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

but stupidity should be painful and mocked, mercilessly. I personally look forward to the day when they do a “World’s Dumbest: Congressional edition”.

Gotta think GOHMERT! would top that but Steves King and Stockman are in the running, Bachmann, and while he was there, Allan West surely qualified too.

337 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:52:25am

Still waiting for the fat lady to sing.

338 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:54:02am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Gotta think GOHMERT! would top that but Steves King and Stockman are in the running, Bachmann, and while he was there, Allan West surely qualified too.

Chris Hayes has been doing it as a nightly feature. Last night was Paul Broun from Georgia.

339 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:55:41am

re: #338 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Chris Hayes has been doing it as a nightly feature. Last night was Paul Broun from Georgia.

Ah yes, Paul Broun. Mr. Evolution Comes from the fiery pits of hell himself. Well Dr. if I am to be polite.

340 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 8:56:11am

re: #338 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Chris Hayes has been doing it as a nightly feature. Last night was Paul Broun from Georgia.

The mainstream GOP was too hesitant to shut these people down, little did they realize how quickly it would turn into an attention-grabbing race to the bottom to see who could say the most outrageous things against Obama.

341 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:05:20am

re: #302 ProTARDISLiberal

It feels like a portal to hell is in my sinuses.

No actually it is the portal to heaven that is blocked up by hell.

Do feel better.

342 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:05:21am
343 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:07:50am

WTFITS, then we have to go through all this shit AGAIN?

344 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:08:39am

re: #342 Vicious Babushka

Fuck. That means it won’t pass if they vote now.

Damn these people. Do the right thing for once in your goddamn lives.

345 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:12:04am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

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“Proceed, Mr. Speaker.”

346 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:12:31am

Good gawd, the stupid…it hurts:

347 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:15:01am

re: #303 Petero1818

Focused like a laser on the economy……/

ITS ALL ABOUT JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if Obamacare is the biggest “job killing” legislation over the past twenty years and all you’ve done is fail to kill it, then where (for the love all that you hold dear) are the jobs programs (even the crappy ones that you claim that come from tax subsidies or payroll tax cuts) for the people you claim o represent…. instead bupkis.

348 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:15:27am

re: #346 Dr. Matt

Good gawd, the stupid…it hurts:

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WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE AFA, IT WAS PELOSI WHO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT BECUASE SHE WANTED TO RAISE TAXES

349 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:15:44am

Hey Prudence, do you know what the GOP approval rating it?

350 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:16:52am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

Hey Prudence, do you know what the GOP approval rating it?

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They are still quoting that 2 week old outlier poll?

351 erik_t  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:17:02am

That’s not how you use greater-than and less-than signs, Prudence.

352 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:18:40am

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT

353 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:20:28am

re: #352 Vicious Babushka

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT

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House conservatives are not House GOP. The House conservatives were never going to vote for anything. They don’t matter. The bill can pass without them.

354 erik_t  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:20:59am

The Tea Party caucus can laugh all they want. I don’t give a shit what they think. The endgame seems pretty clear at this point.

If they want to stand out in the cold to show us who’s boss, that’s their call.

355 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:21:37am

re: #352 Vicious Babushka

Remember that one when you hear ppl complain that no one read the ACA before it was enacted. Some people will not read anything placed before them. Know-nothings.

They’ll vote for or against it based on the side of the issue, even if the issue is one that should be inviolable - the default.

356 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:22:51am

re: #355 lawhawk

Remember that one when you hear ppl complain that no one read the ACA before it was enacted. Some people will not read anything placed before them. Know-nothings.

They’ll vote for or against it based on the side of the issue, even if the issue is one that should be inviolable - the default.

Part of the mythology is that this bill is so hideously complex that no one will be able to understand all the nefarious sub-clauses until they start incinerating grannies before our very eyes…

357 BusyMonster  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:22:52am

re: #314 Petero1818

Trying hard to understand why the GOP thinks another shut down on December 15 is going to serve their cause. Nothing people like more than being furloughed as the holidays approach so their kids have to go without presents. That should improve their polling.

If they really are this dumb, there’s no way to stop them and they WILL absolutely self-destruct in time for the 2014 elections. This shutdown has been a misery to read about, and I’ve not been personally impacted much.

I’d give quite a bit to be a fly on the wall in the households of all these public employees, and their families, who gleefully voted Teabag over the last few years. Because the polling sounds like there have been some serious soul-searching moments in America these last few nights.

I hope the TeaGOP just learns to shut the fuck up and go along with the adults … but on the other hand, schadenfreude compels me to wish them the worst of their own ambitions: go ahead, guys. Do this AGAIN. Get it over with. Just finish fucking yourselves blind and making it obvious to every possible sane American out there that your party must be not just defeated, not just humiliated, but destroyed completely.

Please, just get it over with, for fuck’s sake. Thank you again to the Dems for finding a spine, at last, and standing up to this idiocy.

358 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:23:36am

Morning Lizards. I see we had a boring troll.

359 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:24:51am

re: #358 klys

Morning Lizards. I see we had a boring troll.

Decent spelling, punctuation and grammar, thus not an ‘innocent’.

360 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:24:53am

THAT’S JUST SO WHITE OF HIM!

361 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:25:51am

re: #346 Dr. Matt

Good gawd, the stupid…it hurts:

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Yeah keep on telling yourselves that guys.

362 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:26:16am

re: #360 Vicious Babushka

THAT’S JUST SO WHITE OF HIM!

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well to be fair, that’s a pretty big hurdle for Senator Cruz considering his past douchebaggery.

363 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:26:24am

re: #360 Vicious Babushka

THAT’S JUST SO WHITE OF HIM!

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I smell a primary challenge in 2016. I wish I were joking.

364 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:26:24am

re: #356 Sol Berdinowitz

Part of the mythology is that this bill is so hideously complex that no one will be able to understand all the nefarious sub-clauses until they start incinerating grannies before our very eyes…

QFT.

365 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:26:48am

re: #363 Ian G.

I smell a primary challenge in 2016. I wish I were joking.

18 but yes/

366 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:27:38am

DUMBASS, I DON’T LIVE IN FREAKING CANADA.

367 brennant  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:27:44am

Ted Cruz telling us House was listening to the will of the people. Sigh.

368 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:28:11am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

Holy shit, I had never seen that photo before. The pure pleasure of watching one’s opponent about to totally step in it.

369 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:28:18am

re: #362 piratedan

well to be fair, that’s a pretty big hurdle for Senator Cruz considering his past douchebaggery.

I don’t think he has much choice.

His chances for 2016, or even another Senate run are zilch right now.

They should remain that way.

370 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:28:23am

re: #367 brennant

Ted Cruz telling us House was listening to the will of the people. Sigh.

Which is why he will ignore the will of the people and not oppose the bill in the Senate!

371 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:28:31am

MOAR DUMBASS==>

372 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:28:46am

re: #367 brennant

Ted Cruz telling us House was listening to the will of the people. Sigh.

President Romney and Majority Leader McConnell agree.

373 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:29:12am

Ted Cruz now blaming the senate.

374 brennant  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:29:32am

Looks at Ted Cruz’s eyes. Totally dead.

375 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:29:38am

re: #371 Vicious Babushka

I agree. There are about 5 aircraft carrier battle groups that can be scrapped. And farm subsidies. And tax breaks for oil companies drilling on federal land….

376 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:30:06am

re: #373 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ted Cruz now blaming the senate.

Joe McCarthy without the booze.

377 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:30:24am

re: #237 ityler

B And, if you remember, many lawmakers publicly stated that they voted without having had a chance to examine the law - just as Nancy Pelosi said she wanted it to be.

When did any lawmaker say they didn’t read the bill before voting on it?

378 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:30:34am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Joe McCarthy without the booze.

As far as we know.

379 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:31:10am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Joe McCarthy without the booze.

He’s got religion.

380 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:31:13am

Will someone stick a sock in Sen. Cruz’s mouth..please?
Who wants me to move to Texas and Primary that fool out?

381 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:31:17am

re: #378 Justanotherhuman

As far as we know.

I think he’s into more serious shit the way he acts. I don’t think McCarthy ever said that the Truman administration would make him disappear.

382 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:32:47am

re: #377 Dr. Matt

When did any lawmaker say they didn’t read the bill before voting on it?

And again, and more to the point, the Senate bill was freely available from its passage in the Senate on 24 December 2009 until it was voted on in the House in March 2010.

383 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:34:05am

re: #358 klys

Morning Lizards. I see we had a boring troll.

Itlyer not troll! Itlyer interested in real debate!

re: #167 ityler

Enough empty disparaging of my remarks. Make your own statement and back it up with your own supporting arguments. That’s what real debate is about.

Also, itlyer is independent group!

and independent groups (including myself)

384 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:35:38am

re: #383 wrenchwench

Itlyer not troll! Itlyer interested in real debate!

Also, itlyer is independent group!

Some time back we had a short-lived troll who was in the health insurance business. Sales end, IIRC.

385 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:36:28am

re: #383 wrenchwench

Itlyer not troll! Itlyer interested in real debate!

Also, itlyer is independent group!

Like I said, a boring troll.

Real debate requires something other than pulling together wingnut talking points. “Ignoring Republican and indepedents’ solutions to the health care issues!” …what solutions? I’ve been paying attention for quite a while, and nobody’s proposed anything beyond DELAY DEFUND REPEAL.

386 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:37:12am

re: #366 Vicious Babushka

And those tweets are only half true.

Rather than open the contracting process to a competitive public solicitation with multiple bidders, officials in the Department of Health and Human Services’ Centers for Medicare and Medicaid accepted a sole bidder, CGI Federal, the U.S. subsidiary of a Canadian company with an uneven record of IT pricing and contract performance.

They may be Canadian owned, but they are U.S. based and hire U.S. workers.

Tea Party Patriots.

I know, I know. watching the wackos too closely can endanger your mental health.

387 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:37:31am

re: #384 Decatur Deb

Some time back we had a short-lived troll who was in the health insurance business. Sales end, IIRC.

Would be timely about now.

388 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:37:36am

Over the prior few weeks, a fellow lizard posted a figure showing the increasing cost of health insurance over time. Anyone have that?

389 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:37:55am

re: #385 klys

Like I said, a boring troll.

Real debate requires something other than pulling together wingnut talking points. “Ignoring Republican and indepedents’ solutions to the health care issues!” …what solutions? I’ve been paying attention for quite a while, and nobody’s proposed anything beyond DELAY DEFUND REPEAL.

I even agreed with his point that ACA is flawed, but the alternatives proposed by the GOP (*crickets*) are catastrophic.

390 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:39:05am

The Tea Party faction will try this again in January. They have to, they are trapped by their own ideology. Every time they do, their standing, and that of the Republican Party, goes further into the toilet.
I said some time ago that ACA is the rock that will break the crazy right. We are seeing this come to pass. The only question now is what the cost will be to the rest of us. The GOP’s 40 year flirtation with Birchers, racists, and religious fascists will finally end, after causing untold damage to our international reputation, our scientific community and education system, and social progress in general.

391 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:39:08am

re: #389 Sol Berdinowitz

I even agreed with his point that ACA is flawed, but the alternatives proposed by the GOP (*crickets*) are catastrophic.

That’s what gets me every time. Ok, so, where are their solutions?

Oh right, they’re pissy because the one major conservative health care proposal has been implemented and it’s called the ACA, so they’re pretty much left with “don’t get sick.”

392 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:40:16am

re: #390 Shiplord Kirel

The Tea Party faction will try this again in January. They have to, they are trapped by their own ideology. Every time they do, their standing, and that of the Republican Party, goes further into the toilet.
I said some time ago that ACA is the rock that will break the crazy right. We are seeing this come to pass. The only question now is what the cost will be to the rest of us. The GOP’s 40 year flirtation with Birchers, racists, and religious fascists will finally come to a halt, after causing untold damage to our international reputation, our scientific community and education system, and social progress in general.

Please let them be stupid enough to try again in Oct ‘14.

393 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:40:30am

In my other morning news, I can now use the generalized pigeonhole principle to prove that in a party of 6 people, there are at least 3 people who all know each other or 3 people who have never met before.

394 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:40:52am

re: #391 klys

That’s what gets me every time. Ok, so, where are their solutions?

Oh right, they’re pissy because the one major conservative health care proposal has been implemented and it’s called the ACA, so they’re pretty much left with “don’t get sick.”

1) Don’t get sick

2) If you get sick, die quickly.

This really is the GOP ‘alternative’.

395 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:41:22am

I too have studied the brainwaves of Tea Party Republicans. See chart below.

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396 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:42:33am

re: #385 klys

Like I said, a boring troll.

Real debate requires something other than pulling together wingnut talking points. “Ignoring Republican and indepedents’ solutions to the health care issues!” …what solutions? I’ve been paying attention for quite a while, and nobody’s proposed anything beyond DELAY DEFUND REPEAL.

One problem I discovered in trying to debate wingnuts on their own turf (bowhunting forum) is that the absence of mutually agreeable data sources. They would of course not accept anything from any left or centrist blog, nor anything from pretty much ANY newspaper, or any TV news operation except Fox. Nor would they accept any statistics compiled by anyone associated with the Federal Government. I ended up having to mine the RW news-and-blogosphere, and STILL as soon as anything disagreed with their prefered reality, they dismissed it.

397 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:43:05am

re: #392 Decatur Deb

Please let them be stupid enough to try again in Oct ‘14.

If their now-former corporate partners haven’t run them out town on a rail by then, I can guarantee it.

398 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:43:14am
399 erik_t  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:43:30am

re: #395 ObserverArt

I too have studied the brainwaves of Tea Party Republicans. See chart below.

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D+, no labels on either axis; see me after class.

400 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:45:14am

re: #396 Assless ChapJockey

One problem I discovered in trying to debate wingnuts on their own turf (bowhunting forum) is that the absence of mutually agreeable data sources. They would of course not accept anything from any left or centrist blog, nor anything from pretty much ANY newspaper, or any TV news operation except Fox. Nor would they accept any statistics compiled by anyone associated with the Federal Government. I ended up having to mine the RW news-and-blogosphere, and STILL as soon as anything disagreed with their prefered reality, they dismissed it.

They rely on the immutable Word of Rush, available in miniature on 14k gold-washed tablets from Franklin Mint.

401 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:47:32am

re: #396 Assless ChapJockey

One problem I discovered in trying to debate wingnuts on their own turf (bowhunting forum) is that the absence of mutually agreeable data sources. They would of course not accept anything from any left or centrist blog, nor anything from pretty much ANY newspaper, or any TV news operation except Fox. Nor would they accept any statistics compiled by anyone associated with the Federal Government. I ended up having to mine the RW news-and-blogosphere, and STILL as soon as anything disagreed with their prefered reality, they dismissed it.

This is part of why I love you people, you all like actual sources.

One of the favored papers to skewer around our lab was one where they used the same technique to measure composition data and to make claims about the proportions of structural components that are *highly dependent* on composition.

And then they didn’t even provide error bars.

402 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:49:53am

re: #401 klys

This is part of why I love you people, you all like actual sources.

I joined this site back when it was a lot more conservative, but nonetheless presented measured arguements based on verifiable and neutral sources.

And I have witnessed how sticking to that approach has led to change in orientation, as it would with any normal person.

403 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:49:59am

re: #401 klys

This is part of why I love you people, you all like actual sources.

One of the favored papers to skewer around our lab was one where they used the same technique to measure composition data and to make claims about the proportions of structural components that are *highly dependent* on composition.

And then they didn’t even provide error bars.

The shittiest part of this is that bad science is like FAKE QUOTES, in a way. You have to keep beating it down once it’s in the literature because scientists too can utterly fail at research!

404 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:51:10am

re: #391 klys

That’s what gets me every time. Ok, so, where are their solutions?

Oh right, they’re pissy because the one major conservative health care proposal has been implemented and it’s called the ACA, so they’re pretty much left with “don’t get sick.”

Their solutions are very simple, and completely nonsensical:

1) Tort reform, based on the idea that what drives healthcare costs up is ‘defensive medicine’ and that all the increase in cost over the last few decades comes from frivolous lawsuits. Easily debunked, since several states have enacted their dream proposals, and health insurance is no cheaper there. Also, while malpractice insurance is not cheap, it’s a tiny percentage of total healthcare costs.

Further, ‘defensive medicine’ actually catches a significant number of low-probability, severe problems that would otherwise have not been noticed till the patient keeled over dead - estimates are about 90,000 additional preventable deaths per year, IIRC.

2) Selling insurance across state lines. The party of ‘States’ Rights’ wants to prohibit states from setting their own standards for health insurance, so eventually everyone’s getting their insurance from Alabama, and it’s cheap but unbelievably bad.

3) Healthcare Savings Accounts - because when you can’t afford to buy health insurance, you can certainly put away enough in savings to pay for that extended stay in the cardiac intensive care unit.

And that’s all of it.

405 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:52:21am

SWEET, SWEET WINGNUT TEARS

406 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:52:24am

What does today’s events indicate?

1) The GOP will not defund/delay/destroy ACA this time.
2) The default will be averted by the slimmest of margins.
3) Ted Cruz is a hack who has no clue about math, logic, or politics.
4) The TP/GOP are comprised of hacks who have no clue about politics, which is the art of compromise, not total war in which you either win or are destroyed.
5) The TP will be right back at the defund/delay/destroy act the moment the CR and debt ceiling are addressed, and they will bring us right back to the brink upon the next series of deadlines, hoping to wring out concessions that simply didn’t happen this time.
6) The Speaker of the House will not stand up to the extortionists in his caucus except when default is on the line, feeding their delusions that they’re going to accomplish their stated and obvious goal of going after the ACA and Obama (not necessarily in that order).
7) The national debt will continue increasing, but much more slowly as the annual debt shrinks precipitously (annual budget versus long term cumulative debt)
8) So called right wing fiscal hawks didn’t care much about debt when piled up by Reagan or GWB, but are insanely dedicated to debt reduction under Obama to the point of defaulting (that would cause a spike in debt since costs to all levels of government would spike, a recession would occur, and government spending would have to bridge the gap).

407 erik_t  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:53:06am

re: #404 Assless ChapJockey

2) Selling insurance across state lines. The party of ‘States’ Rights’ wants to prohibit states from setting their own standards for health insurance, so eventually everyone’s getting their insurance from Alabama, and it’s cheap but unbelievably bad.

Coming from the alleged state’s-rights party, this one has always cracked me up.

If the State of Washington wants to protect Washingtonians from shitty health care laws in Mississippi, they would have absolutely no ability to do so.

WOOO STATE’S RIGHTS

408 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:54:00am

re: #403 klys

The shittiest part of this is that bad science is like FAKE QUOTES, in a way. You have to keep beating it down once it’s in the literature because scientists too can utterly fail at research!

Science is self-correcting, but often that takes excessive time and effort because, like Soylent Green, it’s made of people.

409 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:54:49am

Is it possible that the House could still fail to pass this?

410 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:55:26am

re: #409 Vicious Babushka

Is it possible that the House could still fail to pass this?

Yes. I’ll believe it’s over when I see BHO signing the damned thing.

411 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:55:59am

re: #409 Vicious Babushka

Is it possible that the House could still fail to pass this?

When it comes to the GOP, I’ve learned to never underestimate the power of stupid.

412 brennant  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:56:02am

re: #405 Vicious Babushka

I mix them with whiskey and a little honey.

413 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:56:02am

JHC, I just don’t like this. It’s not the best deal, and it’s temporary.

“Under the agreement, the government would be funded through Jan. 15, and the debt ceiling would be raised until Feb. 7. The Senate will take up a separate motion to instruct House and Senate negotiators to reach accord by Dec. 13 on a long-term blueprint for tax and spending policies over the next decade. “

nytimes.com

This is a fucking christmas present, not the way adults act. I hope and trust that people will remember the way these jackwagons have acted and will boot their asses out of the House next year.

414 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:56:11am

re: #408 Assless ChapJockey

Science is self-correcting, but often that takes excessive time and effort because, like Soylent Green, it’s made of people.

I did my small part: one of my papers provides evidence that they were full of shit (indirectly).

Then my advisor published the next paper that was even more direct.

The conference where I presented that data with one of the co-authors of the bad paper there was a little awkward. He didn’t like the data very much.

BUT I HAVE SEEN IT PERPETUATING SO IT MUST BE STAMPED OUT.

415 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:56:22am

re: #399 erik_t

D+, no labels on either axis; see me after class.

Hey! A flat line is a flat line no matter what. Dead is dead.

416 brennant  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:57:27am

re: #409 Vicious Babushka

Is it possible that the House could still fail to pass this?

Seems like they have enough votes on both sides to get it through.

417 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 9:58:05am


How soon before Issa attempts to frog march NPS officials before a committee over NPSgate Barrygate.

418 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:00:19am

re: #417 lawhawk

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How soon before Issa attempts to frog march NPS officials before a committee over NPSgate Barrygate.

I can see it now. O’Keefe goes before Issa’s committee dressed as a park ranger and perjures himself to get Tea Party talking points into the Congressional Record.

419 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:02:18am

Listening to CNN right now.

Newt Gingrich is trying to spin this as a victory for Ted Cruz. Then has the gall to claim that Obama was holding America hostage because he wouldn’t allow the ACA to be repealed.

420 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:03:54am

re: #419 RadicalModerate

Listening to CNN right now.

Newt Gingrich is trying to spin this as a victory for Ted Cruz. Then has the gall to claim that Obama was holding America hostage because he wouldn’t allow the ACA to be repealed.

Does anyone actually pay any attention to anything Newt The Nut says anymore…outside of Fox and the GOP Echo Chamber?

421 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:04:04am

re: #414 klys

I did my small part: one of my papers provides evidence that they were full of shit (indirectly).

Then my advisor published the next paper that was even more direct.

The conference where I presented that data with one of the co-authors of the bad paper there was a little awkward. He didn’t like the data very much.

BUT I HAVE SEEN IT PERPETUATING SO IT MUST BE STAMPED OUT.

The one thing you cannot expect is for those who publish badly done, but not fraudulent science to receive their comeuppance. Back in the 1980s, there was an HIV researcher who managed to publish a Nature ARTICLE (the long, prestigious ones) based on a single observation that we in our lab already knew was wrong. We published a much more comprehensive paper in Cell later that year which corrected the error, but that guy remained a much more prominent name in HIV research than my boss ever got to be.

Of course, it would have helped if my boss hadn’t finally decided that the line between genius and insanity had grown dull, and leapt with both feet onto the insanity side.

422 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:05:00am

This is funny…

423 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:05:38am

I wish Canada would take back Ted Cruz and his father.

424 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:05:58am

re: #422 Gus

This is funny…

THIS IS A VICTORY FOR TED CRUZ.

425 erik_t  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:07:00am

re: #424 Internet Tough Guy

THIS IS A VICTORY FOR TED CRUZ.

A victory for Ted Cruz is great news for John McCain!

426 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:08:46am

re: #421 Assless ChapJockey

Yeah, I at least did my part though.

At this point it’s good enough for me. I’m never going to be a name, my advisor already has his, and this guy just desperately wants to discover THE NEXT BIG REVOLUTION in this tiny corner of the world and occasionally stretches things way too far in an effort to get there.

427 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:10:53am

MOAR WINGNUT BUTTHURT

428 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:11:26am

re: #426 klys

Yeah, I at least did my part though.

At this point it’s good enough for me. I’m never going to be a name, my advisor already has his, and this guy just desperately wants to discover THE NEXT BIG REVOLUTION in this tiny corner of the world and occasionally stretches things way too far in an effort to get there.

One thing my crazy ex-boss taught me was that, in Science, it is absolutely vital that you always be your own harshest critic. If you don’t, there are lots of other people who will do it for you.

The other thing is just completely basic to Science itself - our job is not to prove our hypotheses. It’s to try as hard as we can to DISprove them, and, if we’re really smart and really lucky, fail.

429 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:11:41am

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

Has anyone called it Republicans’ Appomattox yet?

430 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:13:06am

re: #429 klys

Has anyone called it Republicans’ Appomattox yet?

Cruz’s Charge!

431 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:13:19am

re: #413 Justanotherhuman

JHC, I just don’t like this. It’s not the best deal, and it’s temporary.

“Under the agreement, the government would be funded through Jan. 15, and the debt ceiling would be raised until Feb. 7. The Senate will take up a separate motion to instruct House and Senate negotiators to reach accord by Dec. 13 on a long-term blueprint for tax and spending policies over the next decade. “

nytimes.com

This is a fucking christmas present, not the way adults act. I hope and trust that people will remember the way these jackwagons have acted and will boot their asses out of the House next year.

Oh look, another “super committee” to hash things out so some disastrous brink is not approached.
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432 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:14:01am

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

MOAR WINGNUT BUTTHURT

It is time that the states start using their nullification power.

That would be the nullification power that was settled in 1865, after the loss of 600,000 American lives to defend the most reprehensible American institution in our history?

433 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:14:08am

re: #419 RadicalModerate

Listening to CNN right now.

Newt Gingrich is trying to spin this as a victory for Ted Cruz. Then has the gall to claim that Obama was holding America hostage because he wouldn’t allow the ACA to be repealed.

Fuck you Newt. Seriously fuck you, you bloated piece of bullshti.

434 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:14:24am

re: #428 Assless ChapJockey

One thing my crazy ex-boss taught me was that, in Science, it is absolutely vital that you always be your own harshest critic. If you don’t, there are lots of other people who will do it for you.

The other thing is just completely basic to Science itself - our job is not to prove our hypotheses. It’s to try as hard as we can to DISprove them, and, if we’re really smart and really lucky, fail.

You assume that people know how science works, where it applies and where it does not. That is asking a lot these days.

Today I’m going to post like it was 19,999 (next person to elicit a response from me gets my 20Kth post)

435 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:14:28am


[…]

The challenge to the Louisiana law had attracted the support of several civil rights and immigrant rights groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, National Immigration Law Center and Southern Poverty Law Center, and group of foreign governments that included Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua.

They argued, among other things, that the Louisiana law allows officers to pull people over for “driving while Latino.”

436 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:15:21am

re: #430 ObserverArt

Cruz’s Charge!

“It would have worked, too, if it hadn’t been for you meddlesome kids determined Democrats and your stupid dog newly re-spined President.”

437 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:15:21am

re: #404 Assless ChapJockey

3) Healthcare Savings Accounts - because when you can’t afford to buy health insurance, you can certainly put away enough in savings to pay for that extended stay in the cardiac intensive care unit.

Actually, the way it was explained at the Health insurance meeting I attended yesterday, HSA are available to those who choose a low cost, high deductable insurance plan ($1000.00-$1500.00) and are mainly meant to allow you save up money to help you pay that deductable off. Also, unlike FSA’s, the money you put into a HSA rolls over at the end of the year and earns interest unlike the FSA’s where it’s an use it or lose come the end of the year.

Plus money put into an HSA is pretax and when withdrawn for a valid medical need is also not taxed.

438 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:15:41am

MOAR BUTTHURT

439 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:15:49am

I hope Dems and “moderate” Rs are already trying to formulate a plan to get a real budget passed and a debt ceiling rise for 2014.

Doesn’t anyone in either of those bodies have the fucking guts to call on the carpet those who would have allowed the govt to default on its debts? It’s in the goddamned Constitution that we pay our bills.

The country knows what happened; those responsible for this horrible impasse and weak solution need to be censured for what they have done not only to the substance of this country, but to its reputation in the world, and put on notice that their bullshit will not be tolerated any longer.

Vote them out in 2014—no matter how long they’ve “served” because they have made it impossible for the country to pay them any further to ruin us. And if it can be proved they engaged in a criminal enterprise(s) by their actions, they should be brought to justice.

Show them the American public will no longer stand for their childish shenanigans.

440 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:16:30am

re: #414 klys

I did my small part: one of my papers provides evidence that they were full of shit (indirectly).

Then my advisor published the next paper that was even more direct.

The conference where I presented that data with one of the co-authors of the bad paper there was a little awkward. He didn’t like the data very much.

BUT I HAVE SEEN IT PERPETUATING SO IT MUST BE STAMPED OUT.

At dinner the other night* my brother talked about reviewing a paper about some proposed conodont extraction process and about having to write about how the proposal sounded like a nice idea, but was totally unworkable.

* - Five people. Two geologists, a minister, an IT person, and a marine biology undergraduate. Good food and nice conversation with some extended semi-shop talk about academia and geology.

441 Lidane  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:17:50am

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

States don’t have any nullification powers. We fought a whole war about that.

442 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:18:51am

re: #441 Lidane

States don’t have any nullification powers. We fought a whole war about that.

The Tea Party doesn’t recognize the results of that war and wants a do-over.

443 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:18:52am

re: #437 Bubblehead II

3) Healthcare Savings Accounts - because when you can’t afford to buy health insurance, you can certainly put away enough in savings to pay for that extended stay in the cardiac intensive care unit.

Actually, the way it was explained at the Health insurance meeting I attended yesterday, HSA are available to those who choose a low cost, high deductable insurance plan ($1000.00-$1500.00) and are mainly meant to allow you save up money to help you pay that deductable off. Also, unlike FSA’s, the money you put into a HSA rolls over at the end of the year and earns interest unlike the FSA’s where it’s an use it or lose come the end of the year.

Plus money put into an HSA is pretax and when withdrawn for a valid medical need is also not taxed.

Which all presupposes that A) you can afford ‘catastrophic’ insurance, B) you can also afford to put money into the HSA, and C) that you have sufficient income that putting money in the HSA provides any tax benefits.

In other words, it’s an upper middle class answer to a working class problem.

444 erik_t  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:19:26am

Why is it that the wingnuts only want to nullify shit that would make their state better?

I’d have loved to nullify my way out of any uniformed [STATE]ians having to go to fucking Iraq for the last ten years, but you don’t hear me bitching.

445 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:19:57am

re: #422 Gus

This is funny…

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Don’t forget that Cruz ran against David Dewhurst for Senator. Texas was limited to a choice of ‘crazy’, or ‘crazier’ in that election, because Dems didn’t field a strong candidate.
I’ve mentioned this before, but I’m actually thinking that Cruz becoming senator might have been the best possible longterm outcome for Texas Democrats. If Dewhurst had won, we would not have seen his insanity on the Texas Legislature floor this summer. As a result Wendy Davis has become a rapidly-rising star in the state - and it’s pretty certain she wouldn’t be running for Governor with the huge boost that she’s gotten. Also, Cruz is now political poison to everyone except for the far right - it’s a safe bet that his influence has been seriously marginalized as well.

446 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:20:46am

re: #437 Bubblehead II

3) Healthcare Savings Accounts - because when you can’t afford to buy health insurance, you can certainly put away enough in savings to pay for that extended stay in the cardiac intensive care unit.

Actually, the way it was explained at the Health insurance meeting I attended yesterday, HSA are available to those who choose a low cost, high deductable insurance plan ($1000.00-$1500.00) and are mainly meant to allow you save up money to help you pay that deductable off. Also, unlike FSA’s, the money you put into a HSA rolls over at the end of the year and earns interest unlike the FSA’s where it’s an use it or lose come the end of the year.

Plus money put into an HSA is pretax and when withdrawn for a valid medical need is also not taxed.

It is a great idea in concept, but the implementation assumes that you have the cashflow that allows you to fund it - and then really, to get the most benefit out of it, you shouldn’t tap those funds now, but instead leave them in to grow, preferably invested on the stock market (which you are allowed to do). Which means paying the deductible out of pocket.

It’s a fantastic thing for folks in higher income brackets, but doesn’t do much to help those who are already struggling with health care costs.

447 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:20:46am

re: #434 Sol Berdinowitz

You assume that people know how science works, where it applies and where it does not. That is asking a lot these days.

Today I’m going to post like it was 19,999 (next person to elicit a response from me gets my 20Kth post)

I can’t be responsible for how laymen view Science. I can only pass the principles on to the folks in my group, and any work I touch.

In the end, if we Scientists do the work properly, knowledge increases.

448 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:21:10am

re: #446 klys

You owe me a coke.

449 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:21:18am

re: #406 lawhawk

One Parliamentarian idea I wish we had - the ability to have Parliament dissolved in the wake of a “no confidence” vote and call immediate elections. No way Boner would have survived even this long.

450 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:21:38am

re: #448 Assless ChapJockey

You owe me a coke.

Sorry, only have diet mountain dew right now.

451 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:21:51am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

MOAR BUTTHURT

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Yeah just like Kristallnacht, you historically insensitive pricks.

452 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:22:13am
453 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:22:33am

re: #447 Assless ChapJockey

I can’t be responsible for how laymen view Science. I can only pass the principles on to the folks in my group, and any work I touch.

In the end, if we Scientists do the work properly, knowledge increases.

Well, really, as a journal Science isn’t quite all it’s cracked up to be, and neither is Nature, but …

oh, you mean real science?

//

454 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:22:34am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

MOAR BUTTHURT

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I’m guessing pRESIDENT ALIEN doesn’t consider the ridiculously heavy-handed police action used against Occupy Wall Street to be “Kristallnacht”.

455 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:22:46am

re: #450 klys

Sorry, only have diet mountain dew right now.

Diet Hillbilly Piss? Eeewww!!!!

456 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:23:06am

re: #452 Gus

That’s what happens when they follow your drug-addicted ass over the cliff, Rush. They become irrelevant.

457 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:23:13am

re: #447 Assless ChapJockey


I used to believe that before the Rise of the Know nothing Tea Party Realty deniers…:( Knowledge is something that has to find a place to grow…and despite the shit spewed by climate change deniers and Evolution deniers…there is no place for knowledge to take root…

458 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:23:24am

re: #455 Assless ChapJockey

Diet Hillbilly Piss? Eeewww!!!!

Leave my version of coffee alone.

Fucking 8am wakeup.

459 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:23:33am

re: #429 klys

Has anyone called it Republicans’ Appomattox yet?

I just fear that there is going to be one of their fans who fantasizes himself as a modern-day John Wilkes Booth. The sort of rhetoric that encourages that type of event is at a fever pitch right now with rightwingers.

460 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:23:38am

re: #449 William Barnett-Lewis

Don’t think that would fix things, since the GOP would remain united behind Boehner instead of having Speaker Pelosi at the helm (assuming Democrats unite behind a single candidate, while GOPers slug it out among a couple of factions).

Parliamentary changes could potentially increase the power of the TP at the expense of the majority.

As it is, we’re seeing the tyranny of the minority in action.

461 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:23:44am

re: #452 Gus

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Yet one he constantly ties his lot in because what’s good for the GOP is good for Rush and vice versa.

462 Lidane  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:24:09am
463 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:24:18am

re: #457 DisturbedEma

I used to believe that before the Rise of the Know nothing Tea Party Realty deniers…:( Knowledge is something that has to find a place to grow…and despite the shit spewed by climate change deniers and Evolution deniers…there is no place for knowledge to take root…

DISCLAIMER

Of course I’m a social scientist, so I don’t know shit…

464 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:24:26am

re: #454 Ian G.

I’m guessing pRESIDENT ALIEN doesn’t consider the ridiculously heavy-handed police action used against Occupy Wall Street to be “Kristallnacht”.

No, that was commies getting what they deserved.

465 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:24:59am

re: #462 Lidane

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They keep on saying this but they never show that they’ve learned a thing. You know what, I learned something today………….

466 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:25:06am

re: #441 Lidane

States don’t have any nullification powers. We fought a whole war about that.

Andrew Jackson, when asked if he had any message for the South Carolina nullifiers during the Nullification Crisis of 1828-33:

Yes I have; please give my compliments to my friends in your State and say to them, that if a single drop of blood shall be shed there in opposition to the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man I can lay my hand on engaged in such treasonable conduct, upon the first tree I can reach.

467 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:25:41am

re: #447 Assless ChapJockey

I can’t be responsible for how laymen view Science. I can only pass the principles on to the folks in my group, and any work I touch.

In the end, if we Scientists do the work properly, knowledge increases.

We are responsible for how our children are taught science, and the ongoing Creationism and Global Warming debate shows that we have failed.

20K YOU WIN A FREE TOASTER!!!

468 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:26:25am

re: #453 klys

Well, really, as a journal Science isn’t quite all it’s cracked up to be, and neither is Nature, but …

oh, you mean real science?

//

When I was younger, so much younger than today (thanks, Beatles!), I thought Science would be this wonderful, completely objective world of logic and data. Then I witnessed a few highly political responses to journal submissions, including one where a reviewer panned a paper, then published the same thing the next month.

It ain’t perfect, but it’s better than superstition and ignorance. And it pays the bills.

469 Lidane  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:27:10am
470 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:27:14am

re: #459 RadicalModerate

I just fear that there is going to be one of their fans who fantasizes himself as a modern-day John Wilkes Booth. The sort of rhetoric that encourages that type of event is at a fever pitch right now with rightwingers.

I’m sure the Secret Service continues to work overtime. :( That it’s necessary (so necessary!) is depressing.

My comment was more poking tongue in cheek at the Obamacare as slavery comparisons that are all over the place on Twitter, but you do bring up a sobering point.

471 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:27:27am

re: #460 lawhawk

Don’t think that would fix things, since the GOP would remain united behind Boehner instead of having Speaker Pelosi at the helm (assuming Democrats unite behind a single candidate, while GOPers slug it out among a couple of factions).

Parliamentary changes could potentially increase the power of the TP at the expense of the majority.

As it is, we’re seeing the tyranny of the minority in action.

Yeah. The thing is, though, the new speaker would be elected after the election. Just being able to call new elections, I don’t believe, would change the party dynamics enough except to split the GOP into two with a majority party being the Democratic Party.

Not important, really, just a momentary wish for a quick fix.

472 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:28:15am

re: #457 DisturbedEma

I used to believe that before the Rise of the Know nothing Tea Party Realty deniers…:( Knowledge is something that has to find a place to grow…and despite the shit spewed by climate change deniers and Evolution deniers…there is no place for knowledge to take root…

All that is necessary for ignorance to win is for intelligent, reasoning people to say, “Aw, fuck it.”
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473 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:28:17am

re: #464 HappyWarrior

No, that was commies getting what they deserved.

KT? That you? ///

474 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:28:44am

re: #469 Lidane

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What a fucking dumbass.

475 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:28:56am

re: #468 Assless ChapJockey

When I was younger, so much younger than today (thanks, Beatles!), I thought Science would be this wonderful, completely objective world of logic and data. Then I witnessed a few highly political responses to journal submissions, including one where a reviewer panned a paper, then published the same thing the next month.

It ain’t perfect, but it’s better than superstition and ignorance. And it pays the bills.

My adviser was one of those wonderful islands of logic and data and being his own devil’s advocate (I don’t think he’s ever had a paper rejected) and generally not pulling the political shit.

That being said, I’m still done with it.

476 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:28:57am

re: #469 Lidane

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Coup. What coup? There was no coup by either side. So tired of people bastardizing words. If people want to see the most recent coup they need to look at Egypt.

477 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:28:59am

re: #473 William Barnett-Lewis

KT? That you? ///

Ouch.

478 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:29:16am

re: #466 Shiplord Kirel

Andrew Jackson, when asked if he had any message for the South Carolina nullifiers during the Nullification Crisis of 1828-33:
Yes I have; please give my compliments to my friends in your State and say to them, that if a single drop of blood shall be shed there in opposition to the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man I can lay my hand on engaged in such treasonable conduct, upon the first tree I can reach.

I despise 99% of Andrew Jackson. This, however, puts a finger on his good 1%.

479 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:29:41am

re: #467 Sol Berdinowitz

We are responsible for how our children are taught science, and the ongoing Creationism and Global Warming debate shows that we have failed.

20K YOU WIN A FREE TOASTER!!!

Only so long as it’s this model.

480 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:29:50am

re: #476 Gus

Coup. What coup? There was no coup by either side. So tired of people bastardizing words. If people want to see the most recent coup they need to look at Egypt.

Yeah how the hell can you pull a coup when you’re already in office or when you are in office allowing your opposition to remain. Me thinks that Mark failed basic poli sci 101.

481 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:30:00am

re: #443 Assless ChapJockey

Which all presupposes that A) you can afford ‘catastrophic’ insurance, B) you can also afford to put money into the HSA, and C) that you have sufficient income that putting money in the HSA provides any tax benefits.

In other words, it’s an upper middle class answer to a working class problem.

This is true and it’s why we need single payer health care that doesn’t discriminate based on income. But until then, it is what it is.

482 Lidane  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:30:01am
483 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:30:21am

re: #479 lawhawk

Only so long as it’s this model.

And here I was thinking that I was going to have a new kitchen acquisition to drool after.

484 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:30:39am

re: #482 Lidane

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OMFG.

485 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:31:35am

They’re just spinning their wheels.

Youtube Video

486 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:31:36am

re: #482 Lidane

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Well in that case, I propose a hearing to find out whether Darrell Issa is actually two little kids standing on top of each other pretending to be an adult.

487 Lidane  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:31:39am

BITTER, BITTER TEARS:

488 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:31:56am

re: #467 Sol Berdinowitz

We are responsible for how our children are taught science, and the ongoing Creationism and Global Warming debate shows that we have failed.

20K YOU WIN A FREE TOASTER!!!

We homeschooled the one, and I beat the Scientific Method into the other, and my wife’s struggling mightily to get a job teaching Science in elementary school. I like to think I’ve done my bit.

BTW, the homeschooled one (the Aspergerian) is now tearing Conservatives new ones on Facebook. The kid whose pragmatic writing proficiency percentile was in the single digits is writing compelling arguments, in well thought out paragraphs.

489 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:32:07am

re: #483 klys

I hear that this is another popular model.

490 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:32:52am

re: #489 lawhawk

I hear that this is another popular model.

You know, it may not toast bread very well but I’m not going to complain if that shows up in my kitchen.

491 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:32:58am

re: #487 Lidane

BITTER, BITTER TEARS:

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Yeah too bad most people are listening to MP3s rather than your sorry ass. I know what I’d rather hear after a long day. Good music > Whiny right wing fuck stick.

492 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:33:15am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Yeah just like Kristallnacht, you historically insensitive pricks.

Heh. I’d compare them more to the Black Bloc Anarchists who just cause destruction as a way to stir things up. Break windows and then cry about how they are misunderstood and being oppressed.

493 Kragar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:33:16am

I love that they still think “nullification” is a real thing.

494 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:33:23am

re: #488 Assless ChapJockey

BTW, the homeschooled one (the Aspergerian) is now tearing Conservatives new ones on Facebook. The kid whose pragmatic writing proficiency percentile was in the single digits is writing compelling arguments, in well thought out paragraphs.

Some people just need enough motivation. The Republicans seem to have provided that, at least.

495 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:33:24am

re: #481 Bubblehead II

This is true and it’s why we need single payer health care that doesn’t discriminate based on income. But until then, it is what it is.

Yep.

496 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:33:32am

OT, but is it an article of faith on the wingnut right that the Pilgrims were the real founders of this country, and not the so-called “Founding Fathers” like Jefferson and Madison and Franklin?

A wingnut just told me that this country was founded by Christians, to which I begged to differ, at which point he identified the Pilgrims as the founders. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this. There’s a clip on YouTube of a cable news debate between Christopher Hitchens and Christian right nutjob Ken Blackwell where Blackwell says the same thing.

Have Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, and the like just been airbrushed from history by the right because they’re inconveniently secular? I wonder.

497 S'latch  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:34:15am

Pat Buchanan is insane. In his article (in World Net Daily), he begins by suggesting that history sort of repeats itself. He says that the suicide Republicans are heroes for making their last ditch effort to thwart Obamacare because Obamacare will ruin the nation and that they will be vindicated for doing so since history sort of repeats itself, see Goldwater, Nixon, etc. Also, if the suicide Republicans happen to destroy the nation in the process of saving the Nation, that’s also okay because Obamacare will destroy the nation. But, they will all be vindicated in the final apocalypse. It all makes perfect sense if you are as insane as Pat Buchanan.

498 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:34:25am

re: #487 Lidane

BITTER, BITTER TEARS:

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Exquisite schadenfreude.

499 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:35:25am

re: #487 Lidane

BITTER, BITTER TEARS:

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500 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:35:37am

re: #496 Ian G.

Have Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, and the like just been airbrushed from history by the right because they’re inconveniently secular? I wonder.

No, they still show up in the Fake Quotes.

501 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:35:37am

re: #479 lawhawk

Only so long as it’s this model.

“So, Saul - you’re a toaster.”

“Yep. Gramma was a belt sander!”

502 Lidane  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:35:43am
503 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:35:45am

re: #496 Ian G.

OT, but is it an article of faith on the wingnut right that the Pilgrims were the real founders of this country, and not the so-called “Founding Fathers” like Jefferson and Madison and Franklin?

A wingnut just told me that this country was founded by Christians, to which I begged to differ, at which point he identified the Pilgrims as the founders. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this. There’s a clip on YouTube of a cable news debate between Christopher Hitchens and Christian right nutjob Ken Blackwell where Blackwell says the same thing.

Have Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, and the like just been airbrushed from history by the right because they’re inconveniently secular? I wonder.

I honestly thought it said all you needed to know about David Barton when he said in effect that John Knox (or was it Calvin) was more important to American thought than Jefferson.

504 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:36:05am

re: #487 Lidane

I’ll take “reasons why I listen to my iPod instead of AM Radio” for $2000, Alex.

505 b.d.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:36:18am

SO TED CRUZ TURNED OUT TO BE A RINO JUST LIKE THE REST OF THEM

506 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:36:28am

In a weird twist Jennifer Rubin, John Podhoretz, and others came to their senses.

507 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:36:37am

re: #502 Lidane

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Going? Come on Pete, you were one of the few GOPers who saw the insanity behind impeaching Clinton and you’re just now discovering that they’re going nuts?

508 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:36:51am

Robert Costa of National Review did a good job live Tweeting.

509 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:36:55am

re: #506 Gus

In a weird twist Jennifer Rubin, John Podhoretz, and others came to their senses.

It won’t last. They’ll be back to cheering the nutjobs in no time.

510 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:36:58am

re: #506 Gus

In a weird twist Jennifer Rubin, John Podhoretz, and others came to their senses.

Blind pig, acorn; stopped clock, etc.

511 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:37:02am

re: #469 Lidane

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If you’re a hate radio host, you have to just keep upping the hate to keep your audience happy.

512 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:37:09am

re: #506 Gus

In a weird twist Jennifer Rubin, John Podhoretz, and others came to their senses.

Yeah well, they might recover.

513 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:37:24am

re: #504 Ian G.

I’ll take “reasons why I listen to my iPod instead of AM Radio” for $2000, Alex.

Fucking A.

514 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:37:37am
515 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:37:38am
516 Lidane  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:37:52am
517 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:38:59am

CALL THE WAAHMBULANCE!

518 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:40:06am

re: #517 Vicious Babushka

So does the budget count as an “individual spending bill” or an “omnibus blackmail package”? It’s unclear to me.

519 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:40:12am

re: #506 Gus

In a weird twist Jennifer Rubin, John Podhoretz, and others came to their senses.

Given that neocons are typically foreign policy hawks first, and culture warriors second (if at all), they probably had the sense to realize that crashing the US economy and being unable to pay military personnel, military contractors, or for military equipment upkeep would not be in the best interest of a strong foreign policy.

520 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:41:26am

re: #497 S’latch

Pat Buchanan is insane. In his article (in World Net Daily), he begins by suggesting that history sort of repeats itself. He says that the suicide Republicans are heroes for making their last ditch effort to thwart Obamacare because Obamacare will ruin the nation and that they will be vindicated for doing so since history sort of repeats itself, see Goldwater, Nixon, etc. Also, if the suicide Republicans happen to destroy the nation in the process of saving the Nation, that’s also okay because Obamacare will destroy the nation. But, they will all be vindicated in the final apocalypse. It all makes perfect sense if you are as insane as Pat Buchanan.

Goldwater? Nixon?
Lol! Goldwater came to regret the “southern strategy” and was a champion of gay rights late in his career. He had favored reproductive rights throughout his career and was one of the founders of Arizona Planned Parenthood. As for Nixon, he created the EPA and his defeated health care plan bore a striking resemblance to the hated Obamacare.

521 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:41:43am

Okay…back on my computer…had a hard time driving as I listened to Ted Cruz declaring victory in response to a question asking him about his grand plan being a total failure. The cognitive dissonance is palpable in that guy.

522 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:41:44am

re: #519 Ian G.

Given that neocons are typically foreign policy hawks first, and culture warriors second (if at all), they probably had the sense to realize that crashing the US economy and being unable to pay military personnel, military contractors, or for military equipment upkeep would not be in the best interest of a strong foreign policy.

Yep. Obvious element of distrust with the Rand Paul wing.

523 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:42:00am

re: #472 Assless ChapJockey

Oh, I’m a bit more ok a LOT more jaded, but not throwing in the towel, just a bit less naïve…I still have PLENTY of fucks to give :)

524 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:42:27am

re: #513 HappyWarrior


I’m sorry that needed to be phrased as a question…;)

525 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:42:33am

re: #521 darthstar

Okay…back on my computer…had a hard time driving as I listened to Ted Cruz declaring victory in response to a question asking him about his grand plan being a total failure. The cognitive dissonance is palpable in that guy.

It’s true, it is rather hard to drive when you’re going *headdesk*.

526 Lidane  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:42:37am
527 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:42:47am

re: #518 klys

So does the budget count as an “individual spending bill” or an “omnibus blackmail package”? It’s unclear to me.

I guess he thinks they’ve hit on a winning strategy, the one that has led to them having their nose pressed firmly into the mess they left on the living room floor while being swatted with a rolled-up newspaper.*

*as a responsible dog owner, I have never, nor would I ever either use or advocate this method for housebreaking a dog.

528 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:43:36am

Oh look…


Surprise, surprise!

529 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:44:32am

re: #526 Lidane

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0-3 if you count Civil Rights which they fought tooth and nail too.

530 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:45:18am

re: #529 HappyWarrior

0-3 if you count Civil Rights which they fought tooth and nail too.

THAT WAS TEH DEMOCRATS!!!1!!! THEY WAS ALL DEMOCRATZ!!!11!!! DEMOCRATS WAS TEH RACISTS AND ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!!11!!!!!

531 sagehen  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:45:52am

re: #443 Assless ChapJockey

Which all presupposes that A) you can afford ‘catastrophic’ insurance, B) you can also afford to put money into the HSA, and C) that you have sufficient income that putting money in the HSA provides any tax benefits.

In other words, it’s an upper middle class answer to a working class problem.

Not really — it’s an upper middle class answer to an everybody problem. It’s a wonderful partial solution, as long as we remember to also have a working class answer to the same problem.

532 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:45:57am
533 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:46:15am

I’m trying to make sense of the information all over the place- if I’m reading things here correctly, this shutdown/default crisis will/may rear its ugly head again in the coming weeks? The immediate crisis is over and the major “issues” have been shelved until the next time we do it all over again…possibly…GOP… Tea Party… Cruz… .word salad?

WTH just happened with this fucked up situation?

534 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:46:33am

re: #525 klys

It’s true, it is rather hard to drive when you’re going *headdesk*.

*headdash* *headwheel* *headhorn* Sorry! Wasn’t honking at you.

535 Kragar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:46:43am

Graham: “we’ll be doing this in a couple months.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is not pleased with the latest Senate deal to end the shutdown and raise the debt ceiling, but accepts that it is the only remaining option to avert default.

“This package is a joke compared to what we could have gotten if we had a more reasonable approach,” Graham told the Washington Post on Wednesday. “But live and learn; we’ll be doing this in a couple months.”

Fuck you, Graham. In a couple months, you will hopefully be scrambling to hold onto your job.

536 ausador  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:47:21am

Aww, does this mean that the Freepers won’t get the race riots they were so looking forward too when the SNAP (EBT) program ran out of funding? Just yesterday they were looking forward gleefully to the states stopping the transfer of funds to card holder accounts and the mayhem that could result.

Not one word of concern about parents and children going hungry or even the impact of the sudden removal of billions in annual revenue to the stores (I thought Walmart was a big “Job Creator”). Just a lot of gloating at the idea of seeing the poor lose their “unearned entitlements” and comments about watching the “monkeys” riot.

(What? How dare you call us racist!!???)
/

537 brennant  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:47:40am

re: #535 Kragar

Well this lasted all of a few hours.

538 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:48:06am

re: #531 sagehen

Not really — it’s an upper middle class answer to an everybody problem. It’s a wonderful partial solution, as long as we remember to also have a working class answer to the same problem.

The concept is great as long as you have the ability to choose your own health plan and aren’t at the mercy of the whims of the employment gods.

/slightly bitter at employer-driven changes in eligibility

539 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:48:26am

re: #535 Kragar

Graham: “we’ll be doing this in a couple months.”

Fuck you, Graham. In a couple months, you will hopefully be scrambling to hold onto your job.

You know who’s a joke, you Senator Graham. You’re too afraid to stand up to the lunatics that make up your party because you care more about staying in office than doing right by the American people. So I don’t want to hear it you spineless lellyfish.

540 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:49:22am

re: #432 Assless ChapJockey

That would be the nullification power that was settled in 1865, after the loss of 600,000 American lives to defend the most reprehensible American institution in our history?

(They’ve re-looked the numbers. Recently saw a reference to 718,000. Probably depends on the degree of ‘directness’ in the definitions.)

541 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:49:25am

I’m cautiously optimistic honestly. Glad something got done but I have no optimism for the Congressional GOP to act in a constructive manner.

542 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:49:46am

re: #534 darthstar

*headdash* *headwheel* *headhorn* Sorry! Wasn’t honking at you.

Ok, really, this is an aside for the CA lizards: what the hell is up with the fact that NO ONE HONKS here?

I mean, it’s not like I do it often, but I will honk at someone if it’s been ~5 seconds after the light has changed and they still haven’t taken their foot off the brake. But I never hear anyone else honking, ever.

543 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:50:22am

re: #468 Assless ChapJockey

When I was younger, so much younger than today (thanks, Beatles!), I thought Science would be this wonderful, completely objective world of logic and data. Then I witnessed a few highly political responses to journal submissions, including one where a reviewer panned a paper, then published the same thing the next month.

It ain’t perfect, but it’s better than superstition and ignorance. And it pays the bills.

Ha. Your first sentence reminded me. Every time Vicious Babushka posts a tweet from Prudence I immediately think of the Beatles Dear Prudence written by John Lennon.

Too bad Twit Prudence takes away from the songs sweet beauty.

544 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:51:16am

re: #529 HappyWarrior

0-3 if you count Civil Rights which they fought tooth and nail too.

0-5 if you consider Obama’s election and reelection. :)

545 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:51:19am

re: #543 ObserverArt

Ha. Your first sentence reminded me. Every time Vicious Babushka posts a tweet from Prudence I immediately think of the Beatles Dear Prudence written by John Lennon.

Too bad Twit Prudence takes away from the songs sweet beauty.

One of my roommates in college had the last name Robinson.

That may have influenced my choice of ringtone for her.

546 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:51:31am

re: #533 DisturbedEma

I’m trying to make sense of the information all over the place- if I’m reading things here correctly, this shutdown/default crisis will/may rear its ugly head again in the coming weeks? The immediate crisis is over and the major “issues” have been shelved until the next time we do it all over again…possibly…GOP… Tea Party… Cruz… .word salad?

WTH just happened with this fucked up situation?

They kicked the can down the road a few months (again) along with the “promise” that a House-Senate committee will work out a longer term solution by then. You know, just like before that odd sequester thing kicked in and cut all the department budgets across the board.

547 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:51:56am

Teh butthurt just goes on and on

548 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:52:01am

re: #545 klys

One of my roommates in college had the last name Robinson.

That may have influenced my choice of ringtone for her.

And here’s to you………..

549 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:52:07am

re: #476 Gus

Coup. What coup? There was no coup by either side. So tired of people bastardizing words. If people want to see the most recent coup they need to look at Egypt.

What words? Oh, you mean like impeachment.

550 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:52:24am

re: #534 darthstar

*headdash* *headwheel* *headhorn* Sorry! Wasn’t honking at you.

Play “Bohemian Rhapsody” real loud while you do that and they’ll just think you are sort of normal.

551 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:53:06am
552 sagehen  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:53:45am

re: #520 Shiplord Kirel

Goldwater? Nixon?
Lol! Goldwater came to regret the “southern strategy” and was a champion of gay rights late in his career. He had favored reproductive rights throughout his career and was one of the founders of Arizona Planned Parenthood. As for Nixon, he created the EPA and his defeated health care plan bore a striking resemblance to the hated Obamacare.

Nixon’s health care plan was way to the left of Obamacare. Employer mandate, even for small companies, even for part-timers. OSHA also came from the Nixon Administration.

553 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:55:02am

re: #487 Lidane

BITTER, BITTER TEARS:

[ Erick Erickson ✔ @EWErickson

Days like this make me glad I control the microphone for evening drive time on the most listened to talk radio station in America.
1:28 PM - 16 Oct 2013]

Just a little full of himself isn’t he?

Too bad he doesn’t realize it is shit he is full of.

554 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:55:22am

re: #546 Feline Fearless Leader


Ah, thank you for this…so be grateful it’s not happening NOW…buuuut it still could…ok…and fuuuuuck…

555 miclaine  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:55:41am

Common folks need to get together (not the tp “common folk) and get these bastages out of office. The kind of folks who are too busy for this shit because thank whatever, we have jobs and are doing them. We have families and are caring for them. We have “causes” and support them with our funds and the little time we have from doing our jobs and caring for our families. What the “F” are these TP jackasses doing and what do they have to show for this BS? What a waste of time and resources (the ones they claim to be trying to save). Enough!

556 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:55:44am

re: #551 Vicious Babushka

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I clicked. And then it was like a train wreck. And I couldn’t make it stop.

557 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:56:49am

re: #548 HappyWarrior

Coo coo ca-choo…one of my son’s favorites:)

558 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:56:49am

re: #551 Vicious Babushka

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Oh, why the hell not?

559 Gus  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:57:00am

Words in my mouth
Thoughts in my head
Don’t put your words in my mouth
That’s not what I meant

560 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:58:11am

re: #531 sagehen

Not really — it’s an upper middle class answer to an everybody problem. It’s a wonderful partial solution, as long as we remember to also have a working class answer to the same problem.

I’d argue that the upper middle class are far more likely not to need any kind of savings to cover their deductibles, because most of us have health insurance that’s much better, with lower deductibles, even though we’re the ones who could afford HIGHER deductibles.

561 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 10:59:15am

re: #557 DisturbedEma

Coo coo ca-choo…one of my son’s favorites:)

Yeah it’s a good one. Always been partial to The Sound of Silence though. Love S&G tho.

562 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:00:42am

re: #545 klys

One of my roommates in college had the last name Robinson.

That may have influenced my choice of ringtone for her.

Coo-coo-kachoo.

563 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:01:38am

re: #562 Assless ChapJockey

Coo-coo-kachoo.

Wow, I really arrived late to THAT party!

564 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:04:07am

re: #533 DisturbedEma

Debt ceiling is still a ceiling. Raising it will stave off an immediate default, but it will need to be adjusted upwards at some point in the future. That specific date depends on what the Treasury is doing, how much spending has occurred, and whether revenues come in at or above projections.

Budgets have to be negotiated annually, so a CR that only does so for a period of months means we’re back at this again with the deadline.

It’s governance (or lack thereof) by crisis. And it means everyone gets screwed because the GOP will be right back at the extortionist tactics, hoping to gain an advantage this (next) time.

565 klys  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:05:29am

re: #560 Assless ChapJockey

I’d argue that the upper middle class are far more likely not to need any kind of savings to cover their deductibles, because most of us have health insurance that’s much better, with lower deductibles, even though we’re the ones who could afford HIGHER deductibles.

Or we in theory have the savings to pay for the deductible out of pocket, enabling another tax-free shelter to invest for retirement purposes, since it’s not like you don’t have medical expenses in retirement.

566 darthstar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:17:53am

Yeah, because if the GOP proved one thing in the past two weeks, it’s that they’re afraid of less than 1/5th of their base.

567 piratedan  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:18:37am

re: #539 HappyWarrior

You know who’s a joke, you Senator Graham. You’re too afraid to stand up to the lunatics that make up your party because you care more about staying in office than doing right by the American people. So I don’t want to hear it you spineless lellyfish.

isn’t he the same duplicitous asshole who just yesterday was begging the Dems to take it easy on them since defeat appeared to be inevitable and the next day has the audacity to say, “see ya at the barricades in a couple of months!”

568 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:30:01am

re: #427 Vicious Babushka


Who on Earth does he expect us to believe Obama really is?

569 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:33:40am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

The Tea Party doesn’t recognize the results of that war and wants a do-over.

Civil War 2, here we come!

570 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:10:17pm

re: #567 piratedan

isn’t he the same duplicitous asshole who just yesterday was begging the Dems to take it easy on them since defeat appeared to be inevitable and the next day has the audacity to say, “see ya at the barricades in a couple of months!”

Indeed he is. Just another of the many examples of the total worthlessness of GOP ‘moderates’.

What Lindsay really wanted out of this was to score partisan points by having the Democrats cave in the face of teabagger lunacy. The moderates caused all this mess by keeping their rabid dogs off the leash until the last possible minute.

571 chadu  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 12:29:15pm

re: #484 Varek Raith

OMFG.

It’s breathtaking, isn’t it?

572 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 1:03:56pm

re: #423 Skip Intro

I wish Canada would take back Ted Cruz and his father.

Nah. You can keep them.


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