Infographic: Taking Care of Our Veterans
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Image via MHA Online.
1 | dell*nix Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:00:54pm |
Congress has a rep for screwing over vets ever since the Revolution. Although the land bounties were helpful they also served to populate newly acquired land areas so served more than one purpose.
2 | calochortus Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:08:23pm |
re: #1 dell*nix
Also got rid of those restless, troublesome, armed guys-at least until the Whiskey Rebellion.
3 | dell*nix Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:10:11pm |
re: #2 calochortus
They were just taking their corn crops to market. Much easier to transport as a liquid.
4 | The War TARDIS Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:10:50pm |
re: #2 calochortus
The Whisky Rebellion also showed, along with Libya right now, why having Militias long term is a bad plan.
5 | 122 Year Old Obama Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:11:49pm |
6 | calochortus Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:20:12pm |
re: #3 dell*nix
They were just taking their corn crops to market. Much easier to transport as a liquid.
Far less volume that way.
7 | austin_blue Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:20:21pm |
The R’s love vets until it’s time to fund services for them.
Go figure.
Bastards.
8 | Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:22:20pm |
Some early reports of what the Iran deal might look like
Iran Would Eliminate Stock of Its Most Highly Enriched Uranium Under Deal
Iran would be allowed to continue to enrich uranium at much lower levels, to 3.5 percent, the officials said, but would also agree to cap its current stockpile of such uranium, by eliminating, diluting or transforming into fuel as much 3.5 percent uranium as it produces over the six months.
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Western officials said Iran was also being asked to halt construction, for six months, on the Arak heavy-water reactor. The reactor, when finished and fueled, could produce plutonium, another route to a nuclear weapon.Iran would also agree not to install any more of its faster, second-generation centrifuges, the machines used to enrich uranium, and would not operate the 1,000 or so of these centrifuges already installed but not yet in use. Iran would also agree to more intrusive inspections, to ensure the deal is kept.
9 | The War TARDIS Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:23:14pm |
So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.
I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.
After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.
10 | calochortus Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:23:46pm |
re: #7 austin_blue
I actually read an explanation of that which makes some sense (though not a lot): They chose to join the military and therefore are responsible for the consequences.
I’m not saying that’s right, far from it. It is however, a coherent rationale.
11 | The War TARDIS Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:24:32pm |
re: #8 Killgore Trout
I would add a sweetener.
The US pulls its Persian Gulf Forces to Oman.
I don”t want to support Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, or the UAE anymore.
12 | calochortus Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:25:33pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
Tempting but morally wrong. Not to mention that many people there are not to blame for the conservative vote (children, people who voted liberal but were out-voted, non-citizens)
13 | Kragar Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:27:56pm |
A note to Conservatives:
Wearing a fucking flag pin doesn’t mean you support the troops.
14 | Lidane Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:29:16pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
Nope. Disaster relief transcends partisan lines. Period.
15 | Lidane Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:29:47pm |
Derbyshire is bleating again:
Columnist hasn't seen “12 Years A Slave,” but he's sure it's too hard on slavery http://t.co/Eewjg3XkzX— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) November 22, 2013
16 | Kragar Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:29:51pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.
I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.
After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.
Leave that shit to the Republicans. Don’t stoop to their level.
17 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:30:32pm |
Speaking with my veteran’s hat on, there is utterly no reason any vet should vote Republican.
The 1/6th have an active duty disability that they can’t prove to the VA hits home for me. I’ve had back pain daily for over 20 years from an accident that wasn’t written up properly (i was young & dumb so the mission (training only) came first.).
18 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:30:33pm |
GOP support for the troops: More monuments, more medals, fewer benefits.
20 | Charles Johnson Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:31:07pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
Have you ever noticed that every time you post one of these fucked-up group-blaming comments, it gets negative ratings?
Is there a point at which you’ll begin to realize why that’s happening?
21 | 122 Year Old Obama Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:33:06pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
Hey. Cut it out.
22 | William of Orange Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:33:59pm |
I already posted this clip in the Kennedy topic but I fear it will be overlooked by many and I think you want to see this….
Everyone inhere has seen the Zapruder tape one time or another in their life. But until this evening I never saw it this clear. In this day and age anyone can fiddle with video with the proper tools. Someone took the Zapruder tape and stabilized the frame so the picture is now a smooth one. Take a look, it’s never been more clear to you than this.
I even am more convinced that the coupe the grace was indeed a shot from behind, which would prove that the shot came from the book depository. Make your own decision.
23 | Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:34:26pm |
re: #11 The War TARDIS
I would add a sweetener.
The US pulls its Persian Gulf Forces to Oman.
I don”t want to support Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, or the UAE anymore.
I was reading about this earlier. One of the complicating factors would be creating the impression that we’re swapping Sunni allies for new Shia friends. We really don’t want to create more sectarian tensions.
24 | nines09 Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:35:24pm |
You came back from Nam and you got Thorazine for the brain and Darvon for the pain. Big gallon jugs with unlimited refills. Had more than a few friends with parts missing you couldn’t see. They got fucked royally and regularly. It still pisses me off thinking about it sometimes.
25 | Lidane Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:37:39pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
I was reading about this earlier. One of the complicating factors would be creating the impression that we’re swapping Sunni allies for new Shia friends. We really don’t want to create more sectarian tensions.
Especially after we invavded and overthrew a secular, Shia majority Arab nation run by a Sunni minority party. We’ve created enough sectarian tensions already.
26 | bratwurst Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:38:18pm |
Chuck Grassley's following a confederate flag waving twitter account called 1861_again. Wonder what happened in 1861. pic.twitter.com/Kn8cArWlRG— Tyler Hansen (@tylerisajoke) November 23, 2013
27 | Kragar Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:40:51pm |
re: #26 bratwurst
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A whole twitter feed dedicated to the first industrial meat packing plant in Uruguay?
28 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:41:56pm |
re: #18 Shiplord Kirel
GOP support for the troops: More monuments, more medals, fewer benefits.
Every once in a while it occurs to me that we seem to value dead soldiers a lot more than living ones, with the implicit message being that the living ones didn’t “sacrifice enough” to earn our full respect, therefore fuck off and die. I really don’t know if I’m just a cynical misanthrope, or if there’s actually something to it. Possibly both. But I have noticed that soldiers who complain about the way {living} soldiers are treated tend to get shouted down, disparaged, called “phony soldiers”, etc.
29 | calochortus Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:49:26pm |
re: #28 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
We can project anything we want onto the dead. Live people can be problematic.
30 | blueraven Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:49:28pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.
I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.
After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.
You are just like the ones you claim to be better than.
31 | Dancing along the light of day Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:51:15pm |
I find it incredibly sad, the way we treat our Veterans.
You know, the people who put their lives on the line….
32 | William of Orange Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:51:19pm |
re: #22 William of Orange
>I already posted this clip in the Kennedy topic but I fear it will be overlooked by many and I think you want to see this….
Everyone inhere has seen the Zapruder tape one time or another in their life. But until this evening I never saw it this clear. In this day and age anyone can fiddle with video with the proper tools. Someone took the Zapruder tape and stabilized the frame so the picture is now a smooth one. Take a look, it’s never been more clear to you than this.
I even am more convinced that the coupe the grace was indeed a shot from behind, which would prove that the shot came from the book depository. Make your own decision.[Embedded content]
The Oliver Nix clip received the same treatment.
33 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:00:55pm |
I’M STILL blown away by the statistic that more women have been killed in intimate partner violence than soldiers in the Iraq and Afghanistan.
I’m so tired of us letting our government get it backwards. Perhaps if we gave our resources and attention to women,children and families, there were be little need for soldiers.
Instead we pay for War, ignore the mental health needs of our returning soldiers and perpetuate the cycle.
In her National Press Club talk this week, Gloria Steinem said it takes 4 generations to heal the effects of trauma. (I still have to research the source). It makes sense, when I realize that so much is still affecting the children and grandchildren of WWII vets.
There is no reason for the suffering, the pain and the death.
34 | freetoken Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:05:29pm |
The question I have is this: why are we creating so many veterans?
The US seems to be in perpetual warfare. The switch from the Draft to a professional military doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference there.
Veterans have had to struggle over the lack of support all the way back to the Revolution.
As a nation we appear to like warfare, as long as we don’t have to pay the fully burdened cost.
35 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:06:02pm |
re: #34 freetoken
The question I have is this: why are we creating so many veterans?
The US seems to be in perpetual warfare. The switch from the Draft to a professional military doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference there.
Veterans have had to struggle over the lack of support all the way back to the Revolution.
As a nation we appear to like warfare, as long as we don’t have to pay the fully burdened cost.
jobs.
jobs,
jobs
profits
stockholders
jobs
36 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:08:54pm |
re: #34 freetoken
The question I have is this: why are we creating so many veterans?
The US seems to be in perpetual warfare. The switch from the Draft to a professional military doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference there.
Veterans have had to struggle over the lack of support all the way back to the Revolution.
As a nation we appear to like warfare, as long as we don’t have to pay the fully burdened cost.
My last response was cynical.
I think all societies struggle with what to do with their young me. It seems in historically, if they can’t keep them in line by marrying them off early, or sending them to the seminary, they send them to war.
WE have to rethink that model.
37 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:09:11pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.
I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.
After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.
You’ve spoken about trigger reactions, PLL, well I need to say that you’re tripping my trigger just about now. You’re saying aid should be refused on the basis of party affiliation, without reference even to what the people of that area believe and how their rep voted on aid for Sandy.
You’re saying some Republicans in Illinois should be punished for what other Republicans have said and done in other states.
That way lies civil war, PLL. You must learn to control your anger better. You’re making progress, but you’ve still got a ways to go.
38 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:10:14pm |
re: #37 Dark_Falcon
You’ve spoken about trigger reactions, PLL, well I need to say that you’re tripping my trigger just about now. You’re saying aid should be refused on the basis of party affiliation, without reference even to what the people of that area believe and how their rep voted on aid for Sandy.
You’re saying some Republicans in Illinois should be punished for what other Republicans have said and done in other states.That way lies civil war, PLL. You must learn to control your anger better. You’re making progress, but you’ve still got a ways to go.
Life seems so much easier, cut ‘n dried, when one is younger —heh?
39 | Lidane Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:11:45pm |
It’s pathetic that we have to consdier this a victory in 2013. It should just be routine:
Texas OKs controversial environmental science textbook http://t.co/QZ8515sGOy— HuffPost Politics (@HuffPostPol) November 22, 2013
40 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:12:22pm |
re: #32 William of Orange
I can’t begin to figure out what the video is attempting to convey. They put all manner of distracting, scrolling shit in the background, and overlaid a completely unnecessary animated circle thingy over it. It makes the whole thing a visual clusterfuck.
Side note: I’ve met Robert Groden a couple of times. The first time was about 1991 or so, when I was a certified JFK assassination conspiracy theorist, and the second time was in the early 2000s when I was beginning to realize how wrong I had been. He’s certainly not an Alex Jones type. He’s not a kook like Jim Marrs (another prominent JFK conspiracy guy who has since branched out into other conspiracies). In my opinion, he’s almost completely blind to his own confirmation bias, and is a textbook example of one of the things Michael Shermer was talking about in his book “Why People Believe Weird Things”, specifically that smart people are often highly skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons.
41 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:15:19pm |
re: #34 freetoken
We’re still experiencing the ripples from the end of WWII and the subsequent Cold War years. Future historians will be better equipped to understand our past 100 or so years than we are right now.
42 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:16:34pm |
re: #34 freetoken
We weren’t at war for 10 years between 1991 and 2001. But since 9/11, the need to clear and stabilize dysfunctional countries has been a major priority. The decision was taken to try to cut off the cycles of tyranny, revolt, and repression and thus gain real peace. It’s taken a lot longer than we thought, but the aim has been to end and prevent wars, not start them.
Oh, and since you’re here finally, here’s a HuffPo page I’ve been saving just for you.
43 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:18:12pm |
NO clue about this website:
Knockout Game Turns Deadly: 60 Year Old Woman Shoots and Kills 2 Teens After Being Punched
44 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:21:10pm |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
We weren’t at war for 10 years between 1991 and 2001. But since 9/11, the need to clear and stabilize dysfunctional countries has been a major priority. The decision was taken to try to cut off the cycles of tyranny, revolt, and repression and thus gain real peace. It’s taken a lot longer than we thought, but the aim has been to end and prevent wars, not start them.
Oh, and since you’re here finally, here’s a HuffPo page I’ve been saving just for you.
Predators and opportunists thrive in chaos. Sometimes that can be good, if one is trying to make changes that will benefit the world. Mostly (my cynical view) it is bad because the greedy and the power hungry use the upheaval to their benefit.
Thus, the current scourge of Religious Zealots —ripe for the picking.
9/11 created chaos —I have no doubt the planners are laughing in satisfaction.
45 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:26:11pm |
re: #43 FemNaziBitch
NO clue about this website:
Knockout Game Turns Deadly: 60 Year Old Woman Shoots and Kills 2 Teens After Being Punched
I can’t find any newspaper or local TV about this. Epoch Times makes a convincing case that this story is a fake.
46 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:27:39pm |
re: #44 FemNaziBitch
Predators and opportunists thrive in chaos. Sometimes that can be good, if one is trying to make changes that will benefit the world. Mostly (my cynical view) it is bad because the greedy and the power hungry use the upheaval to their benefit.
Thus, the current scourge of Religious Zealots —ripe for the picking.
9/11 created chaos —I have no doubt the planners are laughing in satisfaction.
Actually, many of the planners of 9/11 are in Hell, after we wasted their terrorist asses. Others are in Gitmo, and I assure you they are not laughing.
47 | Interesting Times Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:28:02pm |
re: #37 Dark_Falcon
You’ve spoken about trigger reactions, PLL, well I need to say that you’re tripping my trigger just about now. You’re saying aid should be refused on the basis of party affiliation, without reference even to what the people of that area believe and how their rep voted on aid for Sandy.
Their rep did indeed vote to deny Sandy Aid. He’s a climate change denier and nasty little fossil fuel shill as well.
No, I don’t think Aaron Schock’s district should be denied aid, but I would like to see him suitably humiliated, mocked, and scorned for being a hypocritical little shit.
49 | GlutenFreeJesus Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:31:38pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.
I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.
After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.
Whatever dude. I’ve got friends that were effected in a very big way.
50 | BongCrodny Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:32:05pm |
Don’t know whether anyone has posted this yet, but The New York Times had an article yesterday on service members falling prey to payday loan sharks, often being charged as much as 40% interest.
Alarmed that payday lenders were preying on military members, Congress in 2006 passed a law intended to shield servicemen and women from the loans tied to a borrower’s next paycheck, which come with double-digit interest rates and can plunge customers into debt. But the law failed to help Ms. Kelly, 30, this year.
Possibly because of loopholes in the law:
The short-term loans not covered under the law’s interest rate cap of 36 percent include loans for more than $2,000, loans that last for more than 91 days and auto-title loans with terms longer than 181 days.
You can argue they went into the contract with eyes open, but nobody should have to deal with this bullshit:
Interest rates on the loans offered by companies like Just Military Loans and Military Financial, can exceed 80 percent, according to an analysis by the Consumer Federation of America.
Fucking vipers.
51 | GlutenFreeJesus Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:40:16pm |
re: #47 Interesting Times
Their rep did indeed vote to deny Sandy Aid. He’s a climate change denier and nasty little fossil fuel shill as well.
No, I don’t think Aaron Schock’s district should be denied aid, but I would like to see him suitably humiliated, mocked, and scorned for being a hypocritical little shit.
Hold him responsible by voting him out. Leave the people out of this. That’s my take on things.
But you’re right. This guy is an ass.
53 | austin_blue Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:44:33pm |
re: #50 BongCrodny
Don’t know whether anyone has posted this yet, but The New York Times had an article yesterday on service members falling prey to payday loan sharks, often being charged as much as 40% interest.
Possibly because of loopholes in the law:
You can argue they went into the contract with eyes open, but nobody should have to deal with this bullshit:
Fucking vipers.
Quit insulting vipers! They kill their prey and eat them. These are parasites, which bleed their victims real slowly.
54 | sattv4u2 Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:44:41pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.
I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.
After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.
Seek professional help
55 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:48:32pm |
How AWESOME is this?
Youtube Video
Published on May 12, 2013
A revised version of David Bowie’s Space Oddity, recorded by Commander Chris Hadfield on board the International Space Station.
58 | AlexRogan Fri, Nov 22, 2013 9:10:19pm |
re: #9 The War TARDIS
WTFITS? I’m getting more than tired of this routine of yours.
You’re right about how the GOP politicized Sandy relief, but that doesn’t mean that, whenever a disaster befalls a Republican-leaning area, the same sort of politicization delays or stops relief to those in need, because it shouldn’t; decent human beings shouldn’t and don’t play political games with other people’s lives and livelihoods.
You should be ashamed of yourself, but you apparently haven’t gotten the message the umpteen other times we’ve called you out on your attitude towards certain people and groups.
One of these days, maybe even today, you’re going to hit Charles’ last nerve and we’re going to say to you in absentia, “We warned you.”
Think.Before.You.Speak.